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Philip Hammond is also expected to use his annual speech

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to the City of London to guarantee billions of dollars

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of EU spending on infrastructure projects.

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Also in the programme, the United States raises interest

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With the Bank of England meeting today,

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And with lots for investors to digest this Thursday,

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we'll run you through what's moving the numbers and why.

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Hello, you heard Ben but you are seeing me!

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Security at your fingertips - we'll meet the man who says

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the key to online safety could be in your own hands.

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And as digital video sales could overtake DVD

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We want to know, do you still buy your movies on disc?

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Sally Hodkin the limelight, I don't know! Welcome to the programme.

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It's less than a week since the UK woke up to an election result

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that plunged it into even deeper political and economic uncertainty.

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Prime Minister Theresa May still hasn't finalised an agreement

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with the Northern Irish Democratic Unionist Party which would allow her

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But away from those talks, the pressure is mounting

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on the Government to lay out a strategy for Brexit negotiations.

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Tonight the Chancellor, or finance minister, Philip Hammond,

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could give us some idea of what is planned.

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He's expected to say that $61bn of funds from the

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European Union's investment bank will not be put at risk.

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It currently provides funding for major infrastructure projects

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across the EU, including here in the UK

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for the Crossrail train line in London,

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and tram networks in Nottingham and Manchester.

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He's also expected to signal there may be some room to negotiate

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when it comes to keeping the country in the EU's customs union.

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Staying in that union would allow businesses

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to continue their existing two-way relationship

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And that's vital because the EU is the UK's biggest export market.

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Morning. Good morning, Sally. You have blogged about this, quite a

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change in tone coming from the UK, how is this likely to go down in the

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EU? Well, the EU will probably welcome this. The Chancellor in the

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UK, Philip Hammond, is close to Wolfgang Schaeuble, the fine and

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minister in Germany, and both sides of the fence on Brexit want a good

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deal for the economy, and I think the worry in the UK has been, up

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until the general election, as Ben said, when Theresa May was somewhat

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weakened in a position in Britain, taking back control, sovereignty,

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immigration will be the leading issues around Brexit. Philip

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Hammond, I think, supported by Germany and France, once the

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economy, jobs, business at the centre of the negotiations, which

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some describe us as going towards a softer Brexit. Mist Hammond, in

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Britain, does want a more porous relationship with the single market,

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the possibility at least of some form of membership of the customs

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union, although that is very complicated, and today he has sent a

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big signal to businesses in the UK that the Government will stand

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behind the European Investment Bank's investments in Britain. Some

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people thought it was at risk because of our departure from the

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EU. The EIB does fund projects outside of the EU, but 90% of the

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funding is for member states, and there is a fear that the funding

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could dry up in Britain. So presumably business leaders welcome

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this news, some breathing a sigh of relief, in fact! It is a small step,

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but a change of tone. Business as largely felt to have been locked out

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of any approach to Brexit in the UK. I think now they hope there will be

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a change of tone, I think the speech tonight will reveal something of

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that change, if the EIB announcement reveals the first steps on that.

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What does this say about the Chancellor and the Prime Minister,

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and where they are both that? Because she has been quite different

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in her stance, until the general election - I will be a bloody

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difficult woman to deal with, looking at no dealers better than a

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bad deal, all that rhetoric. It is a very different message from these

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two Keely does. She is treading a very difficult line. -- two key

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leaders. Others would argue for a clean Brexit, what some would

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describe as a hard Brexit, Liam Fox for example, the Cabinet minister

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responsible for international trade. He wants Britain to be able to sign

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strong deals with countries like China, India and America. If we are

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in the customs union, that could curtail Britain's ability to do that

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type of deal. She has got Liam Fox, Michael Gove, Boris Johnson, who are

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all pushing towards a clean Brexit. She has to balance those two things,

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and that is the difficulty she finds herself in. Also, she does not have

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the majority in the house of parliament. The EU know that, and

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that has put more power, many people think, in the EU's hands, rather

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than Britain's hands. We will see if we get that clarity later tonight,

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we will be watching and listening, thank you.

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Let's take a look at some of the other stories making the news.

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The Chinese regulators have fined Emirates for two safety incidents

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that took place over the western region of Xinjing.

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The Gulf carrier was fined just over $4,000 and

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banned from adding new routes or aircraft in China for six months.

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China's Civil Aviation Administration says Emirates pilots

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were found to have flown an aircraft at the wrong altitude

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and temporarily lost contact with air-traffic control.

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The International Civil Aviation Agency says it's reviewing

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a request from Qatar to intervene in the dispute with its

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Gulf neighbours after they closed their airspace to Qatari flights.

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Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain and Egypt

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have cut diplomatic and transport ties with Qatar,

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accusing it of supporting terrorism.

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Volkswagen says it will offer a two-year guarantee on cars that

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were modified to remove a device designed to cheat emissions tests.

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say the modifications affect performance and reliability.

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The European Commission has been putting pressure on VW

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to compensate customers over the scandal,

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as they have done in the US, but the company has so far refused.

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To Asia now, on what was supposed to be a big day

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for struggling Japanese tech giant Toshiba.

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It was due to announce who will buy its memory-chip unit.

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Toshiba's been forced to sell off the business to raise money

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and the near-collapse of its US nuclear division.

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Rupert Wingfield-Hayes is in Tokyo with the details.

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Rupert, talk us through this massive obstacle for Toshiba to go ahead

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with the sale of the chip unit. Yes, Sally, getting increasingly

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complicated. What was already a congregated story now has another

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spanner in the works because Western Digital, a large US corporation that

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makes computer memory and has a large joint venture with Toshiba in

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Japan, that company's management has filed a court action in California

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to block the sale of Toshiba's flash memory division. Toshiba say it is

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still hoping to go air and and announce a preferred for that

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division by its meeting at the end of this month. -- to go ahead. But

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it now faces a legal obstacle because of this injunction filed by

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Western Digital. Western Digital had already filed for arbitration, a

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process that could take, I understand, up to two years, but

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Toshiba wants to make this sale quickly, get it over and done with

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as soon as possible, because it wants to pay off it's debt to the

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United States, so it does not want to go through this process, but this

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looks like another big barrier to them going out and selling that

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memory division. A story that will run and run, Rupert, for now, thank

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you very much, Rupert Wingfield-Hayes in Tokyo for you.

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Staying in Japan, the stock market fell in pretty volatile trade

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overshadowed the rise in interest rates

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Also worries over those reports

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that US President Donald Trump is being investigated for possible

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In Hong Kong, authorities raised its base rate by 25 basis points -

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In the UK, confirmation yesterday that wages

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are lagging way behind inflation, so a further squeeze on incomes.

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well below the inflation rate of 2.7% for that month.

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In 45 minutes, we get the latest UK retail-sales figures for last month,

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and at midday a decision on interest rates.

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No change expected, with rates already at record lows of 0.25%,

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given the looming uncertainty politically and economically.

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More on that shortly, but first in the US,

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has Samira has a look at the day ahead for US markets.

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On Thursday, the chief executive of United Airlines

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Oliver Munoz has had to grapple with some high-profile

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public-relations fiascoes in the last few months,

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including the forceful removal of a paying customer

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Well, that incident prompted an industrywide conversation

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on customer service and passenger rights.

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In earnings news, Kroger will be reporting first-quarter results.

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Now, the supermarket operator warned back in March that full-year

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sales could fall by 1%, and that is because competition

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Walmart continues to beef up its grocery offerings,

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and new entrants, like German grocery chain Aldi,

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are racing to offer the lowest possible prices.

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That was Samira in New York for us. We have got Mike Amey, a managing

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director and portfolio manager at Pimco, nice to see you. Let's start

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by talking about the UK, because the Bank of England has got its meeting,

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Mark Carney has not spoken for a month publicly, and a lot has

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happened since he last met with his team. That is right, there has

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obviously been the election result, quite a lot of political uncertainty

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out there, and some of the data has been more mixed in the UK as well,

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some of the activity data has been lower than expected, and

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unfortunately inflation has been higher, so what they will tell us

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that they don't really know, there is a lot of uncertainty out there, I

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think their preference is to do nothing, to wait and see how things

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develop. A lot of people saying that the UK economy needs attention now,

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you know? Well, it has slowed, and as Benjamin Micra mentioned, there

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is this challenge, we are all feeling the squeeze on wages. So

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that is quite a challenge. The view is that the economy needs support.

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Interesting in light of the squeeze on incomes, inflation rising more

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than wages, we will get retail sales figures, and they are backward

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looking, retrospective, but it will give us an idea of what is happening

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in that predicted slowdown. That is right, retail sales have been

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slowing for a while now, the volume of retail sales spending growing at

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about 2% a year, having been running at 3-4%. So you are seeing in the

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data the fact that people are feeling the squeeze. A quick word on

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the US Federal Reserve, delivering what most people predicted, but

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interesting that it will start getting the US economy of the drip

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of quantitative easing. Indeed, that is better news, the US is ahead of

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us in the cycle, and they are saying is on reducing the amount of money

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they pumped into the system, so they cut interest rates previously,

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printing money, and now the message is a bit more positive. Thank you,

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Mike, we shall see later, have a think about the last DVD you bought!

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Lots of comments from you about the seal of DVD sales expecting to fall

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significantly in the next few yes. Contrasting that with streaming

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services, more of us streaming movies, downloading, not buying

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physical DVDs, keep your comments coming.

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keeping you safe online, without passwords or fingerprints.

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We'll meet the man who says his firm can detect whether

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just by how you use your smartphone or keyboard.

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It is pretty clever stuff, we will talk about that a little later!

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You're with Business Live from BBC News.

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It might be too early for a glass of frying, pens, maybe you think it is

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the right time! Majestic is porting about how well it has done. ?1.5

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million of losses. -- it might be too early for a glass of wine,

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dependence. -- depends. What we can speak with you about this

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interesting set of figures, direct marketing in the US, last year, tell

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us about this year, are things looking up? Things are looking up,

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the second half tells the story, profits up 51%, you mentioned the

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profits for the year, reported accounting profits are showing a

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loss. The key reason for that, there is a big purchase of naked wines,

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which is an asset that is appreciating in value. -- Naked

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Wines. Look at the operating profit level, they are up for the second

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half significantly, that is a good predictor of what is the potential

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to the business. To what extent were you affected by the weakness of

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sterling in these numbers? The impact of Brexit, the immediate

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impact of Brexit has been fiercely weaker currency, leading through

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into higher wine prices, those prices have filtered through to the

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markets. I think we see the trading picture today reflects the current

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exchange rate environment. The bit of Brexit that nobody really

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understands, the impact on consumer behaviour. As your previous speaker

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was saying, if inflation runs ahead of wages, it is impossible to expect

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it will be positive. Very briefly, how is the English wine industry

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doing from your point of view? Are you selling a lot of it? Probably

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doing its best since Roman times! Which just completed our first

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crowdfunding of an English winemaker, Charles Simpson, I think

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English wine is certainly a respectable thing to drink, that is

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a good thing. Good to talk with you, the boss of Majestic wines. Breaking

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story while we have time. News of another failure at Heathrow Airport.

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Terminal three and five, people heading out of Heathrow facing

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flight without their luggage. Full details on the BBC business life

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page. Top story today, UK Chancellor,

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finance minister, Philip Hammond, is to set out his vision for a

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business-friendly Brexit, in a speech in London this evening. He's

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likely to guarantee more than $60bn of investment in infrastructure

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projects. -- ?6 billion. keeping an eye on. A busy day for

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corporate data, particularly in the UK. Interest rate decision at

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midday. In 40 minutes, the latest retail sales figures. Expected to

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show another slowdown in consumer spending as we have discussed a

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little earlier. Last month, a ransomware cyberattack

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hit business all around the world. The Wannacry infection caused

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disruption in 99 countries with health services, energy companies

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and mobile phone operators all affected by the software. And

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Cybercrime is estimated to have cost the global economy around 450

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billion dollars last year alone. So tackling these online threats is big

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business. And there's a new technology that could stop the

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hackers in their tracks. "Behavioural biometric

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technology" as it's known, tries to identify unusual behaviour

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on smartphones using information such as typing speed the force

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applied to the touch-screen and the angle at which

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the smartphone is held. Neil Costigan, Chief Executive

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of BehavioSec joins me now. Your company comes as a great relief

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to the banking sector because actually, when we find we have

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financial fraud, the banks have to reimburse us, they carry the weight

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of the cost and the fraud but your technology is helping. No silver

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bullet, the industry uses every tool in its arsenal, and more and more,

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trying to get into the frictionless way of doing it. So you are not

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asking the user to a member complex passwords or carry tokens. From the

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point of view of the bank, if I use an app on my smartphone to do my

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banking, that comes with your security embedded, that provision

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embedded, you would not... As a user I would not necessarily even know it

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is there, but it might save the bank money. That is the case, the

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application of it, they don't want to burden you with security, they

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want many people to be using it, if security is seen as a friction, that

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is a problem for them. Transparency is the keyword, user experience is

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the keyword. That shift in mindset, from complexity and cost into more

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user-friendly things. Talk us through how it works, this is not

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just a case of putting in a password or scanning your fingerprint, this

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is constantly working out that I am who I say I am while using it. A lot

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of competition in the back end, it sounds like buzzword bingo but

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breakthrough in AI and big data has got us to the point where this is

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viable. You would hear rhythm, that idea has been around since the days

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of Telegraph, it is about how hard you hit the screen, how you swipe,

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how you move. The angle you hold it out, how you type, all that it is

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already available in devices we have. Yes, sensors, they are all

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there, all part of the operating system, and it is the power of the

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computer and the consistency that has helped. You provide this

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service, your clients are banks across Scandinavia, other parts of

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Europe. Up to 35 million users across north-western Europe, digital

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banks, digital platforms. This start, it was not your idea. I am a

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veteran of the industry, I have done it 25 years, I have taken innovation

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from Sweden to California before, I was back in Sweden working at a

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university and undergraduate, working inside the university, had

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the idea, and they said, we think we can verify people who they are by

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their typing. What are they doing now? They are the founders. They

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were on their way to New York yesterday, new office there, and the

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guy is running the deal at the University. The reason this is so

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useful, if you are hacked or suffer a breach, somebody knows your

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password, this is able to stop them further down the process, it is not

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once they are in they are in. This extra layer, it is more about

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catching the individuals, or the knowledge thing. It is about the

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person themselves. That is the level we have taken this to. As far as the

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conversations you have with big financial institutions, I suppose it

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is a cost, they will have to pay for it, but it may be... They do not pay

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and a! LAUGHTER You want them to pay more, but it is

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a trade-off, either they will pay it in compensation or upfront like

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this. Security has been around forever, you'd like insurance

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policies, you have to have it, otherwise other repercussions. What

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was the last DVD that you bought? Or Blu-ray? I'm putting you on the

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spot. Something for my daughter, when you are travelling. This is

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what we are saying, apart from Ben, who did not have kiddies. It was a

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DVD for my needs. Yes, something high quality, Pixar where you think

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this is going to be a high-quality experience for you all, where you

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think that it would not be as good if you downloaded.

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Staying with technology, today is a good day for European Union mobile

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phone customers. After years of negotiations, no longer, those

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annoying extra fees to usual device in EU companies. But for phone

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companies, it means the loss of a lucrative revenue flow. Dave Dyson

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is CEO of the mobile network Three UK. He has been telling us how they

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will make up the difference. Some operators make a lot of money out of

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international roaming, that profit will be lost because of the new

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regulation coming in. Critics of the scheme suggest that it is possible

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that those companies will look to read group profits elsewhere within

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the business. For my business, three, we have been offering

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free-roaming for five years, we have not built up huge profits that we

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now need to protect in some other way. Overseas companies, their

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customers will come to the UK. One negotiating tactic is to say, if you

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give us a great rate, we will offer you a reciprocal right when

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customers come to the UK. We try lots of different techniques to

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reduce the costs, whatever we do, we pass them the customer 's. David

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Dyson, the boss of three. Netflix and Amazon are overtaking

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the UK box office according to some research, your thoughts? Price war

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-- this is a PricewaterhouseCoopers report. Blu-ray and DVD is going to

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be the big loser. With streaming up 30%, ?1.4 billion every year, and

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DVD sales will go down from 1.2. Our viewers are not convinced DVDs are

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cheaper. Toby says, I like disks, I'm not painful pixels. I buy them

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because the broadband companies stress me for using unlimited...

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Internet access not good enough... This is reliant upon having a good

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provider and network. If you have a good network, streaming is fine, if

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it is intermittent, the buffering, then DVDs, certainly. Often the cost

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of downloading a movie is more than in the supermarket and you have it

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for only one week. It is not much of a gift, either, here is a

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download... Last DVD you bought? The Star Wars boxed set. Mine was a

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frozen DVD, that is a much better choice. You said that was for your

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needs, but it was for you, wasn't it! Let it go! Let it go LAUGHTER

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We will see you soon.

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