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This is Business Live from BBC News with Ben Thompson and Sally Bundock. | :00:00. | :00:09. | |
President Trump promises to reform America's tax code - | :00:10. | :00:14. | |
but will it be enough to stop US firms stashing cash overseas? | :00:15. | :00:17. | |
Live from London, that's our top story on Thursday 31st August. | :00:18. | :00:39. | |
Top US companies are keeping $2.5 trillion in profits abroad, | :00:40. | :00:45. | |
so can President Trump persuade them to bring it back to | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
Also in the programme, India's illegal cash crackdown fails - | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
we're live in Mumbai to find out why. | :00:53. | :01:05. | |
And a better-than-expected growth figures in the United States and | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
better manufacturing figures in China have boosted growth markets. | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
You may have heard of Fin Tech but have you heard of Phil Tech? | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
We're going to get the inside track on how the boss of PlayMob using | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
And as airport currency rates hit a new low in the UK, | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
We want to know where do you buy your currency | :01:25. | :01:26. | |
And if anyone tells us they buy their holiday cash at the airport, | :01:27. | :01:51. | |
you are banned from the programme! We start today in the US | :01:52. | :01:54. | |
in Missouri, where President Trump will lay out the details | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
of his planned tax reforms. He described the current tax rules | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
as "self-destructive" - they haven't been reformed | :02:00. | :02:01. | |
for 30 years. He's calling for a more competitive | :02:02. | :02:03. | |
system to boost jobs and wages, repeating his promise to cut | :02:04. | :02:06. | |
America's corporate On paper, the US corporation tax | :02:07. | :02:07. | |
rate is one of the highest But if you take into account | :02:08. | :02:14. | |
various tax breaks, many top US firms pay a bit less - | :02:15. | :02:20. | |
on average, 28.6%. That's still much | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
higher than the 25% rate in China, 19% in the UK and just | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
12.5% in Ireland. That's why many top US | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
firms have their overseas And that's meant a staggering | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
$2.5 trillion worth of profits are channelled overseas by top US | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
companies to avoid And with the US national debt | :02:43. | :02:44. | |
spiralling towards $20 trillion, would cutting taxes boost | :02:45. | :02:51. | |
the economy and tempt US firms Or would it just do more damage | :02:52. | :02:53. | |
to the government's finances? Speaking on Wednesday, the US | :02:54. | :03:04. | |
President explained why he believes Our self-destructive tax code | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
cost Americans millions and millions of jobs, | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
trillions of dollars and billions of hours spent | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
on compliance and paperwork. And some countries have | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
an unbelievably low tax, China and some others that | :03:23. | :03:24. | |
are highly competitive and They are taking us, | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
frankly, to the cleaners. John Weeks is the Professor Emeritus | :03:31. | :03:41. | |
of Economics at SOAS He's here to give us his take on | :03:42. | :03:51. | |
this story, and were as we just heard, President Trump with his | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
ideas, his promises, but when will we see a concrete change, do you | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
think? I think the first point to make, as a famous US jury said, | :04:03. | :04:09. | |
taxes are the price we pay for civilisation, and the most liveable | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
countries are the ones with a high taxes, Denmark, Sweden, so on. The | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
USA has very low taxes, people can draw their own conclusion from that. | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
The second point is that tax cuts for the middle-class will have a | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
trivial impact on their incomes. The problem with the class incomes is | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
their slow growth, the amount that tax would be cut would have very | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
little impact. And third, cutting the corporate income tax, the main | :04:37. | :04:44. | |
consequence of that would be to redistribute income to shareholders. | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
Ronald Reagan tried the same thing almost 40 years ago, and it did not | :04:51. | :04:57. | |
reduce overseas remittances, and this word, either. So you have | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
explained some of the reasons why the change in the tax code would not | :05:01. | :05:08. | |
benefit the US economy, so the issue of any traction on Capitol Hill for | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
President Trump trying to put through change? I think that | :05:12. | :05:18. | |
President Trump is an unusual president in that he has a a lot of | :05:19. | :05:26. | |
support in Congress who may agree with him in ideological, but they | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
don't like him personally, famous cases such as Senator John McCain. | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
So I think it is quite possible some bill will go through, but it will | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
not be the builder Tron proposes, it will be one that is drawn up | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
probably in the Senate in with the leaders of the house. This isn't | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
unique to the United States, the debate about cutting taxes to boost | :05:49. | :05:54. | |
growth and vice versa. There is some truth in cutting taxes many more | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
money flows into Government cough is because business is more productive. | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
They might not bring back a lot from abroad, but they create jobs and | :06:03. | :06:10. | |
wealth if taxes are lower. That is a variation of the argument that has | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
lower taxes mean more tax revenue, but the terrible evidence that is | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
very weak. Also the miracle evidence that cutting taxes stimulates growth | :06:20. | :06:26. | |
is quite weak. So it is possible, but it is likely that we won't get a | :06:27. | :06:33. | |
systemic demonstration of that. Ten or 15 years ago, you wouldn't have | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
had the Congressional budget office do a study on the likely impact, and | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
I have not seen such a study, and I don't believe that the office has | :06:43. | :06:46. | |
been invited to do that. We will keep a close I on that. Thank you | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
for your time today. President Trump has just kicked off his tour with | :06:52. | :06:58. | |
tax reform top of the agenda, so we will keep track on how it goes. | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
Let's take a look at some of the other stories making the news. | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
The French government is due to reform labour laws later today. The | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
measures will be a big test for President in manual macron who is | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
facing protests next month, although one of the biggest unions has | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
decided it will not take part. The new boss of Uber, | :07:24. | :07:26. | |
Dara Khosrowshahi, has told staff he will change the company's culture | :07:27. | :07:28. | |
and may take it public The taxi hailing app is trying | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
to recover from a string of crises that saw chief executive | :07:32. | :07:37. | |
and co-founder Travis Mr Khosrowshahi is the former boss | :07:38. | :07:39. | |
of online travel company Expedia. I got his name right the second time | :07:40. | :07:50. | |
around! The troubled Japanese giant Toshiba | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
has missed a self-imposed deadline of signing a deal | :07:55. | :07:56. | |
to sell its memory chip unit. The company's board has been meeting | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
to review a $17bn offer from Western Digital and a revised | :08:00. | :08:01. | |
last-minute offer of $18bn from Bain Capital - | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
which brough in Apple to help Activity in China's factories | :08:05. | :08:06. | |
sped up in August - suggesting the world's | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
second-largest economy may still be The Purchasing Manager's Index | :08:13. | :08:14. | |
unexpectedly rose to 51.7 - when economists had predicted | :08:15. | :08:21. | |
a marginal decline. I am just not going to try and say | :08:22. | :08:39. | |
it. We just have to practice it over and over. I have a feeling we will | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
say the name a lot, the new boss of Uber there. Now, let's talk about | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
India. Was India's crackdown | :08:48. | :08:49. | |
on the black market a failure? The central bank says 99% of banned | :08:50. | :08:55. | |
500 and 1000 rupee notes Explain this for us. Why did they | :08:56. | :09:12. | |
ban certain banknotes, and now it seems they are all back in | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
circulation anyway? In November last year, this was a surprise decision | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
by the Indian Government, where they decided to ban 86% of the currency, | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
all high-value currency notes to be banned overnight, and the reason for | :09:28. | :09:30. | |
that was they wanted to crack down on black money, money for which a | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
taxes not been paid. They wanted to crack down on tax evaders and | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
corruption. Internal estimates were that about $60 billion will not come | :09:42. | :09:48. | |
back to the system, and this will be regarded as black money which was | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
floating in the system. But now the central bank has come back and said, | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
actually 99% of those notes of comeback, and that means that | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
analysts are saying the policy was a failure, because if 99% of the notes | :10:02. | :10:12. | |
are back, only $3 billion were recouped, and that is not worth it | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
for the problems it caused. That is an interesting story on why | :10:19. | :10:21. | |
sometimes that just doesn't work. Let me show you the numbers. | :10:22. | :10:31. | |
Shares in Tokyo ending up after the better-than-expected | :10:32. | :10:33. | |
growth figures in the US gave a boost to confidence. | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
In Europe, the talk is still of the strength | :10:38. | :10:39. | |
The debate about what central banks might do. Can the Bank of England | :10:40. | :10:54. | |
afford a weak pound? We will talk about that more in the moment, but | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
first let's head to the United States and Michelle Fleury. | :10:59. | :11:01. | |
Wall Street will continue to play close attention to the devastating | :11:02. | :11:04. | |
In a show of support, the New York Stock Exchange | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
investors can chew over pending home sales data for July. | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
The index focuses on houses where a contract has been signed, | :11:14. | :11:16. | |
from the country's worst housing collapse has been uneven. | :11:17. | :11:24. | |
Forecasters see pending sales rising again, 0.4% in July. | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
But that doesn't appear to have helped sales | :11:30. | :11:31. | |
of existing homes in July, which fell sharply for | :11:32. | :11:33. | |
Large declines in the north-east and midwest outweighed sales | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
the Federal Reserve's preferred method of inflation - | :11:39. | :11:46. | |
is expected to be positive after second quarter growth | :11:47. | :11:48. | |
was revised up to 3% for the first time since early 2015. | :11:49. | :11:58. | |
Joining us is Jane Sydenham from Rathbone Investment Management. | :11:59. | :12:05. | |
Interesting, because Michelle touching on the upwards revision of | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
GDP in the States, and she is looking ahead to the numbers we are | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
going to get later today. It is all looking good for the US, and we | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
mentioned China numbers better-than-expected as well. It is | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
all looking better. We all got worried in the first quarter of the | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
year, there was a slowdown in the US and indications of that elsewhere, | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
but it looks as though the momentum is picking up again. The consumer | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
still seems to be spending money, which is key. The revision was | :12:35. | :12:40. | |
related to that. And given that 70% of the US economy, that is | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
important. And that may be why factories in China in August had a | :12:45. | :12:50. | |
better month? Absolutely. Let's talk about currency quickly. This | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
sterling- euro parity creeping closer. This is twofold, the weak | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
pound and the strong euro, and there was hope that we might hear | :13:00. | :13:02. | |
something from the European Central Bank about whether they can afford a | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
strong euro in the longer term, but central banks don't tend to get | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
involved in the early stages. If it is a persistent problem, they might. | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
They don't, and what we have to bear in mind is Europe has had such a | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
difficult time in terms of growth, finally we are starting to see some | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
positive growth, so the last thing the central bank wants to do is to | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
try to intervene when we are finally beginning to see some positive | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
signs. At this point in time I doubt it will be a priority. Thank you for | :13:31. | :13:37. | |
now. I wanted to ask more about the markets, but we are being good | :13:38. | :13:40. | |
because there is so much more to fit in this programme, including: | :13:41. | :13:43. | |
We meet the tech entrepreneur putting her love of | :13:44. | :13:46. | |
computer games to good use - for charity. | :13:47. | :13:48. | |
You're with Business Live from BBC News. | :13:49. | :14:05. | |
UK betting firm 888 has been accused of failing to block access from | :14:06. | :14:17. | |
customers who self excluded, and find ?7.8 million. Sean Farrington | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
is joining us now from Salford with more information. Tell us more about | :14:22. | :14:28. | |
what is finest specifically for. It is about this self exclusion. If you | :14:29. | :14:35. | |
were gambling online, 888 is a lot roulette, poker, bingo, and if you | :14:36. | :14:38. | |
thought you don't want to be able to access your account for whatever | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
reason, you can tick a box somewhere, let them know, please | :14:43. | :14:45. | |
freeze my account, don't let me access it, and that will help you | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
out. But 7000 customers over a period of year said they wanted to | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
be self excluded but were still able to access their accounts, so the | :14:55. | :15:00. | |
Commission has effectively find 888 nearly ?8 million for this, saying | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
not only did they have the technical hitch that allowed it to happen, but | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
they didn't pick it up which meant ?3.5 million was deposited by those | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
customers, and gambled over and over to an amount of ?50 million that | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
year. It is a strange trend, because we talked yesterday about credit | :15:20. | :15:27. | |
card companies raising limits for people, and it is vulnerable | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
customers most likely to see that access granted to them when they | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
have said they do want it. The various authorities have been | :15:36. | :15:38. | |
looking at the gambling sector in this area for awhile now. Earlier in | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
the year we had the Competition and Markets Authority looking at the | :15:43. | :15:45. | |
wider sector about initial offers, those offers you might see that say | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
put ?100 with us and we will double that for you if you better certain | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
amount of time, but question marks over how long they have been holding | :15:55. | :16:00. | |
onto the money. So alongside this fine for 888 today is the gambling | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
sector being under pressure from those authorities to clean up their | :16:05. | :16:07. | |
act and to make it better for those vulnerable customers in particular. | :16:08. | :16:10. | |
Thank you, Sean Farrington in Salford. | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
On our website, details about Toshiba. They were supposed to have | :16:17. | :16:21. | |
reached a deal to sell their lucrative chip business. It has not | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
made any agreement with the three parties it is in talks with at the | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
moment. So Toshiba are once again failing to deliver on a key | :16:31. | :16:32. | |
deadline. Our top story: President Trump has | :16:33. | :16:38. | |
begun a speaking tour aimed at building support | :16:39. | :16:42. | |
for his planned tax reforms. In an address in Springfield, | :16:43. | :16:50. | |
Missouri, Mr Trump said he aimed to reform America's tax code | :16:51. | :16:53. | |
fundamentally for the first time A quick look at how | :16:54. | :16:55. | |
the markets are faring. I want to mention a big loser in | :16:56. | :17:16. | |
Paris today. Carrefour has issued a profits warning, which has come as a | :17:17. | :17:23. | |
surprise. Its shares are down and it has been downgraded by JP Morgan. A | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
pretty tough time for Carrefour. A big, old-fashioned retailer, | :17:30. | :17:32. | |
struggling with very hot competition. Many retailers in this | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
country and in the states are experiencing the same. Now, | :17:37. | :17:37. | |
something entirely different. Well, it's philanthropic | :17:38. | :17:38. | |
technology, apparently. Putting technology to | :17:39. | :17:45. | |
use for good causes. And our next guest | :17:46. | :17:48. | |
is doing just that, Jude Ower's company Playmob develops | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
advertising campaigns for charities within video games and then targets | :17:54. | :18:00. | |
players with those adverts. Her business has reached over | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
150 million gamers worldwide so far. And in total, the initiative has | :18:06. | :18:08. | |
raised over $1 million. Various beneficiaries | :18:09. | :18:11. | |
include WWF and Oxfam. She is here with us. My kids play a | :18:12. | :18:32. | |
lot of these games that you target, so explain how you help charities in | :18:33. | :18:38. | |
that situation? There are two ways our platform works, and it is either | :18:39. | :18:45. | |
by connecting an inapt purchase so a player can support our cause, or the | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
brand can sponsor the content and the percentage of that spending goes | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
back to our cause and we track the impact so you can see that by | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
purchasing the item or completely that level, you are providing a meal | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
or planting a tree or providing water. I immediately thought to | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
myself, with all my kids and the stuff they play, I make sure the | :19:07. | :19:10. | |
in-app purchase is switched off as they can't spend. That doesn't help | :19:11. | :19:16. | |
you. Well, the average age of gamers is 35, so it's not just kids that | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
play. The average demographic of a social game is a woman in her | :19:21. | :19:26. | |
mid-40s. So a lot of kids' games, you can switch off the in-app | :19:27. | :19:29. | |
purchase, but only a small percentage of revenue would come | :19:30. | :19:35. | |
from that. Only 3% of gamers spend on in-app purchases. So there is a | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
big opportunity for brands to spend on media in games. Digital | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
advertising by 2020 is set to become $20 billion, and 25% of that is | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
spent in game, so there is a big opportunity for brands to the part | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
of existing games, which we can take a percentage off to give to charity, | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
and the player doesn't have to spend money. It is like the player taking | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
action like completing a level, and the money goes back to the cause. | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
What will it look like if a game has this sort of content? Right now, | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
there was a game called and we shot and you can buy a baby shark and you | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
will get a message saying if you why this item, you will be supporting | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
sharks in the real world. You can see the impact you will make. Or if | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
it is a branded level, say you are playing a game like angry birds, you | :20:25. | :20:28. | |
get to the end of the level you are playing and a new level will appear, | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
which could be about protecting the oceans or the environment or | :20:34. | :20:36. | |
endangered species. Do people want to feel they are being sold to in | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
that way? If you play, it is for enjoyment. Do you feel like you are | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
being sold to do if branded content is in the game? No. This is purpose | :20:47. | :20:55. | |
driven marketing. It is talking to human values. At the start of the | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
year, the charities aid foundation did a study of demos and 87% said | :21:00. | :21:04. | |
they think games are perfectly placed to raise awareness of social | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
issues. We see this happening with millennials in generation Z. They | :21:11. | :21:13. | |
are not tech savvy, but socially conscious too. Your background is | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
pretty impressive. You have got your MBE already. 2015, you were named in | :21:20. | :21:26. | |
the top 100 women in tech. The list is long. Ben and I both said that we | :21:27. | :21:38. | |
are always told it is tough for women in technology. Is that your | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
experience? We meet a lot of women in tech because of what we do as a | :21:43. | :21:49. | |
living, so we don't know. I have been in gaming for 17 years, so it | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
is difficult for me to add to that as it is a world I have already | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
known. It is a friendly community. It is male dominated, but it is | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
getting better. The number of women in the games industry has doubled in | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
about eight years. We are about 22% women in the industry. But I have | :22:09. | :22:14. | |
heard of examples where if I am going to a meeting, people I have | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
not met think I am a man because I am called Jude. I have not come | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
across problems in gaming, but in wider tech, there are comments like, | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
it must be easier for you to raise money because you have a rich | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
husband. That would make me extremely cross. I was more | :22:34. | :22:37. | |
determined to raise the money after that! All of this came to light | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
recently with that Google memo that then went all around the world | :22:43. | :22:44. | |
suggesting that women can't work in tech because they are wired | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
differently. And Google sacked the employee who sent that memo. You | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
have written about your view of that. You think they were right to | :22:53. | :22:58. | |
sack him. I think so. We have to fix the problem. By Google making an | :22:59. | :23:07. | |
example of this person, it says it was the wrong thing to do. We have | :23:08. | :23:14. | |
to tackle the unconscious bias which is the root of the problem. We can | :23:15. | :23:21. | |
put more women into the industry, but it is our perceptions that have | :23:22. | :23:27. | |
to change. Thanks for coming in. Fascinating to hear about Playmobil | :23:28. | :23:37. | |
and your background. In a minute, we will look at the business pages. | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
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Live, on TV and online, whenever you need to know. And our viewers are a | :24:12. | :24:18. | |
savvy lot if you go by the tweets about where you get your holiday | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
money. Not at the airport, the worst place. James says, I do it on my | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
smartphone. Another says, I use a special cover card which doesn't | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
charge fees. Another says, I am on holiday now and I got my money from | :24:32. | :24:35. | |
a department store online. It offered next they click and select | :24:36. | :24:39. | |
the Jane Sydenham is joining | :24:40. | :24:40. | |
us again to discuss. game is joining us again to select | :24:41. | :24:54. | |
and pages. I guess his forces going in the direction. On the one hand, | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
Emmanuel Macron wants to free up employment practices in France which | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
have historically been a rigid. The other hand, that is making life | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
worse for delivery drivers who feel that they don't have many rights. | :25:08. | :25:17. | |
But the site but changes in levels are cheaper and more flexible to | :25:18. | :25:21. | |
move around. But there was a suggestion they could lose out. | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
There is a fear that arise they have be further diminished and don't feel | :25:27. | :25:33. | |
well protected. It is interesting that that should be in the news on | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
the same day we are talking about Uber looking to go public. | :25:38. | :25:53. | |
Absolutely. But it may be a long way away. | :25:54. | :25:54. | |
We got woken up by some heavy showers this morning across | :25:55. | :26:14. | |
north-western parts of England, West Wales, some thunderstorms as well. | :26:15. | :26:20. | |
But for many of us today, it is a day of sunshine and showers. Some of | :26:21. | :26:22. | |
those showers will be | :26:23. | :26:24. |