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This is Business Live from BBC News with Ben Thompson and Sally Bundock.

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President Trump promises to reform America's tax code -

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but will it be enough to stop US firms stashing cash overseas?

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Live from London, that's our top story on Thursday 31st August.

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Top US companies are keeping $2.5 trillion in profits abroad,

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so can President Trump persuade them to bring it back to

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Also in the programme, India's illegal cash crackdown fails -

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we're live in Mumbai to find out why.

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And a better-than-expected growth figures in the United States and

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better manufacturing figures in China have boosted growth markets.

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You may have heard of Fin Tech but have you heard of Phil Tech?

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We're going to get the inside track on how the boss of PlayMob using

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And as airport currency rates hit a new low in the UK,

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We want to know where do you buy your currency

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And if anyone tells us they buy their holiday cash at the airport,

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you are banned from the programme! We start today in the US

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in Missouri, where President Trump will lay out the details

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of his planned tax reforms. He described the current tax rules

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as "self-destructive" - they haven't been reformed

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for 30 years. He's calling for a more competitive

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system to boost jobs and wages, repeating his promise to cut

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America's corporate On paper, the US corporation tax

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rate is one of the highest But if you take into account

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various tax breaks, many top US firms pay a bit less -

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on average, 28.6%. That's still much

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higher than the 25% rate in China, 19% in the UK and just

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12.5% in Ireland. That's why many top US

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firms have their overseas And that's meant a staggering

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$2.5 trillion worth of profits are channelled overseas by top US

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companies to avoid And with the US national debt

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spiralling towards $20 trillion, would cutting taxes boost

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the economy and tempt US firms Or would it just do more damage

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to the government's finances? Speaking on Wednesday, the US

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President explained why he believes Our self-destructive tax code

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cost Americans millions and millions of jobs,

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trillions of dollars and billions of hours spent

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on compliance and paperwork. And some countries have

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an unbelievably low tax, China and some others that

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are highly competitive and They are taking us,

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frankly, to the cleaners. John Weeks is the Professor Emeritus

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of Economics at SOAS He's here to give us his take on

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this story, and were as we just heard, President Trump with his

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ideas, his promises, but when will we see a concrete change, do you

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think? I think the first point to make, as a famous US jury said,

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taxes are the price we pay for civilisation, and the most liveable

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countries are the ones with a high taxes, Denmark, Sweden, so on. The

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USA has very low taxes, people can draw their own conclusion from that.

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The second point is that tax cuts for the middle-class will have a

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trivial impact on their incomes. The problem with the class incomes is

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their slow growth, the amount that tax would be cut would have very

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little impact. And third, cutting the corporate income tax, the main

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consequence of that would be to redistribute income to shareholders.

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Ronald Reagan tried the same thing almost 40 years ago, and it did not

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reduce overseas remittances, and this word, either. So you have

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explained some of the reasons why the change in the tax code would not

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benefit the US economy, so the issue of any traction on Capitol Hill for

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President Trump trying to put through change? I think that

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President Trump is an unusual president in that he has a a lot of

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support in Congress who may agree with him in ideological, but they

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don't like him personally, famous cases such as Senator John McCain.

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So I think it is quite possible some bill will go through, but it will

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not be the builder Tron proposes, it will be one that is drawn up

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probably in the Senate in with the leaders of the house. This isn't

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unique to the United States, the debate about cutting taxes to boost

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growth and vice versa. There is some truth in cutting taxes many more

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money flows into Government cough is because business is more productive.

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They might not bring back a lot from abroad, but they create jobs and

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wealth if taxes are lower. That is a variation of the argument that has

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lower taxes mean more tax revenue, but the terrible evidence that is

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very weak. Also the miracle evidence that cutting taxes stimulates growth

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is quite weak. So it is possible, but it is likely that we won't get a

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systemic demonstration of that. Ten or 15 years ago, you wouldn't have

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had the Congressional budget office do a study on the likely impact, and

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I have not seen such a study, and I don't believe that the office has

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been invited to do that. We will keep a close I on that. Thank you

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for your time today. President Trump has just kicked off his tour with

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tax reform top of the agenda, so we will keep track on how it goes.

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Let's take a look at some of the other stories making the news.

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The French government is due to reform labour laws later today. The

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measures will be a big test for President in manual macron who is

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facing protests next month, although one of the biggest unions has

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decided it will not take part. The new boss of Uber,

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Dara Khosrowshahi, has told staff he will change the company's culture

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and may take it public The taxi hailing app is trying

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to recover from a string of crises that saw chief executive

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and co-founder Travis Mr Khosrowshahi is the former boss

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of online travel company Expedia. I got his name right the second time

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around! The troubled Japanese giant Toshiba

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has missed a self-imposed deadline of signing a deal

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to sell its memory chip unit. The company's board has been meeting

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to review a $17bn offer from Western Digital and a revised

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last-minute offer of $18bn from Bain Capital -

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which brough in Apple to help Activity in China's factories

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sped up in August - suggesting the world's

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second-largest economy may still be The Purchasing Manager's Index

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unexpectedly rose to 51.7 - when economists had predicted

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a marginal decline. I am just not going to try and say

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it. We just have to practice it over and over. I have a feeling we will

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say the name a lot, the new boss of Uber there. Now, let's talk about

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India. Was India's crackdown

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on the black market a failure? The central bank says 99% of banned

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500 and 1000 rupee notes Explain this for us. Why did they

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ban certain banknotes, and now it seems they are all back in

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circulation anyway? In November last year, this was a surprise decision

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by the Indian Government, where they decided to ban 86% of the currency,

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all high-value currency notes to be banned overnight, and the reason for

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that was they wanted to crack down on black money, money for which a

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taxes not been paid. They wanted to crack down on tax evaders and

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corruption. Internal estimates were that about $60 billion will not come

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back to the system, and this will be regarded as black money which was

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floating in the system. But now the central bank has come back and said,

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actually 99% of those notes of comeback, and that means that

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analysts are saying the policy was a failure, because if 99% of the notes

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are back, only $3 billion were recouped, and that is not worth it

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for the problems it caused. That is an interesting story on why

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sometimes that just doesn't work. Let me show you the numbers.

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Shares in Tokyo ending up after the better-than-expected

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growth figures in the US gave a boost to confidence.

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In Europe, the talk is still of the strength

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The debate about what central banks might do. Can the Bank of England

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afford a weak pound? We will talk about that more in the moment, but

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first let's head to the United States and Michelle Fleury.

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Wall Street will continue to play close attention to the devastating

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In a show of support, the New York Stock Exchange

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investors can chew over pending home sales data for July.

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The index focuses on houses where a contract has been signed,

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from the country's worst housing collapse has been uneven.

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Forecasters see pending sales rising again, 0.4% in July.

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But that doesn't appear to have helped sales

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of existing homes in July, which fell sharply for

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Large declines in the north-east and midwest outweighed sales

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the Federal Reserve's preferred method of inflation -

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is expected to be positive after second quarter growth

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was revised up to 3% for the first time since early 2015.

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Joining us is Jane Sydenham from Rathbone Investment Management.

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Interesting, because Michelle touching on the upwards revision of

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GDP in the States, and she is looking ahead to the numbers we are

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going to get later today. It is all looking good for the US, and we

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mentioned China numbers better-than-expected as well. It is

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all looking better. We all got worried in the first quarter of the

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year, there was a slowdown in the US and indications of that elsewhere,

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but it looks as though the momentum is picking up again. The consumer

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still seems to be spending money, which is key. The revision was

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related to that. And given that 70% of the US economy, that is

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important. And that may be why factories in China in August had a

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better month? Absolutely. Let's talk about currency quickly. This

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sterling- euro parity creeping closer. This is twofold, the weak

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pound and the strong euro, and there was hope that we might hear

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something from the European Central Bank about whether they can afford a

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strong euro in the longer term, but central banks don't tend to get

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involved in the early stages. If it is a persistent problem, they might.

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They don't, and what we have to bear in mind is Europe has had such a

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difficult time in terms of growth, finally we are starting to see some

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positive growth, so the last thing the central bank wants to do is to

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try to intervene when we are finally beginning to see some positive

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signs. At this point in time I doubt it will be a priority. Thank you for

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now. I wanted to ask more about the markets, but we are being good

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because there is so much more to fit in this programme, including:

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We meet the tech entrepreneur putting her love of

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computer games to good use - for charity.

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You're with Business Live from BBC News.

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UK betting firm 888 has been accused of failing to block access from

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customers who self excluded, and find ?7.8 million. Sean Farrington

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is joining us now from Salford with more information. Tell us more about

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what is finest specifically for. It is about this self exclusion. If you

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were gambling online, 888 is a lot roulette, poker, bingo, and if you

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thought you don't want to be able to access your account for whatever

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reason, you can tick a box somewhere, let them know, please

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freeze my account, don't let me access it, and that will help you

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out. But 7000 customers over a period of year said they wanted to

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be self excluded but were still able to access their accounts, so the

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Commission has effectively find 888 nearly ?8 million for this, saying

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not only did they have the technical hitch that allowed it to happen, but

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they didn't pick it up which meant ?3.5 million was deposited by those

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customers, and gambled over and over to an amount of ?50 million that

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year. It is a strange trend, because we talked yesterday about credit

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card companies raising limits for people, and it is vulnerable

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customers most likely to see that access granted to them when they

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have said they do want it. The various authorities have been

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looking at the gambling sector in this area for awhile now. Earlier in

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the year we had the Competition and Markets Authority looking at the

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wider sector about initial offers, those offers you might see that say

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put ?100 with us and we will double that for you if you better certain

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amount of time, but question marks over how long they have been holding

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onto the money. So alongside this fine for 888 today is the gambling

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sector being under pressure from those authorities to clean up their

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act and to make it better for those vulnerable customers in particular.

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Thank you, Sean Farrington in Salford.

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On our website, details about Toshiba. They were supposed to have

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reached a deal to sell their lucrative chip business. It has not

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made any agreement with the three parties it is in talks with at the

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moment. So Toshiba are once again failing to deliver on a key

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deadline. Our top story: President Trump has

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begun a speaking tour aimed at building support

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for his planned tax reforms. In an address in Springfield,

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Missouri, Mr Trump said he aimed to reform America's tax code

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fundamentally for the first time A quick look at how

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the markets are faring. I want to mention a big loser in

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Paris today. Carrefour has issued a profits warning, which has come as a

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surprise. Its shares are down and it has been downgraded by JP Morgan. A

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pretty tough time for Carrefour. A big, old-fashioned retailer,

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struggling with very hot competition. Many retailers in this

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country and in the states are experiencing the same. Now,

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something entirely different. Well, it's philanthropic

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technology, apparently. Putting technology to

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use for good causes. And our next guest

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is doing just that, Jude Ower's company Playmob develops

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advertising campaigns for charities within video games and then targets

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players with those adverts. Her business has reached over

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150 million gamers worldwide so far. And in total, the initiative has

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raised over $1 million. Various beneficiaries

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include WWF and Oxfam. She is here with us. My kids play a

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lot of these games that you target, so explain how you help charities in

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that situation? There are two ways our platform works, and it is either

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by connecting an inapt purchase so a player can support our cause, or the

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brand can sponsor the content and the percentage of that spending goes

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back to our cause and we track the impact so you can see that by

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purchasing the item or completely that level, you are providing a meal

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or planting a tree or providing water. I immediately thought to

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myself, with all my kids and the stuff they play, I make sure the

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in-app purchase is switched off as they can't spend. That doesn't help

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you. Well, the average age of gamers is 35, so it's not just kids that

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play. The average demographic of a social game is a woman in her

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mid-40s. So a lot of kids' games, you can switch off the in-app

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purchase, but only a small percentage of revenue would come

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from that. Only 3% of gamers spend on in-app purchases. So there is a

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big opportunity for brands to spend on media in games. Digital

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advertising by 2020 is set to become $20 billion, and 25% of that is

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spent in game, so there is a big opportunity for brands to the part

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of existing games, which we can take a percentage off to give to charity,

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and the player doesn't have to spend money. It is like the player taking

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action like completing a level, and the money goes back to the cause.

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What will it look like if a game has this sort of content? Right now,

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there was a game called and we shot and you can buy a baby shark and you

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will get a message saying if you why this item, you will be supporting

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sharks in the real world. You can see the impact you will make. Or if

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it is a branded level, say you are playing a game like angry birds, you

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get to the end of the level you are playing and a new level will appear,

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which could be about protecting the oceans or the environment or

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endangered species. Do people want to feel they are being sold to in

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that way? If you play, it is for enjoyment. Do you feel like you are

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being sold to do if branded content is in the game? No. This is purpose

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driven marketing. It is talking to human values. At the start of the

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year, the charities aid foundation did a study of demos and 87% said

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they think games are perfectly placed to raise awareness of social

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issues. We see this happening with millennials in generation Z. They

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are not tech savvy, but socially conscious too. Your background is

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pretty impressive. You have got your MBE already. 2015, you were named in

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the top 100 women in tech. The list is long. Ben and I both said that we

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are always told it is tough for women in technology. Is that your

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experience? We meet a lot of women in tech because of what we do as a

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living, so we don't know. I have been in gaming for 17 years, so it

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is difficult for me to add to that as it is a world I have already

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known. It is a friendly community. It is male dominated, but it is

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getting better. The number of women in the games industry has doubled in

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about eight years. We are about 22% women in the industry. But I have

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heard of examples where if I am going to a meeting, people I have

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not met think I am a man because I am called Jude. I have not come

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across problems in gaming, but in wider tech, there are comments like,

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it must be easier for you to raise money because you have a rich

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husband. That would make me extremely cross. I was more

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determined to raise the money after that! All of this came to light

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recently with that Google memo that then went all around the world

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suggesting that women can't work in tech because they are wired

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differently. And Google sacked the employee who sent that memo. You

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have written about your view of that. You think they were right to

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sack him. I think so. We have to fix the problem. By Google making an

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example of this person, it says it was the wrong thing to do. We have

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to tackle the unconscious bias which is the root of the problem. We can

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put more women into the industry, but it is our perceptions that have

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to change. Thanks for coming in. Fascinating to hear about Playmobil

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and your background. In a minute, we will look at the business pages.

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Before that, a reminder of how you can get in touch with us. The

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Business Live pages where you can stay up-to-date with all the

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breaking news. You can get insight from our team of editors around the

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Business Live web page. We are also on Twitter and Facebook. Business

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Live, on TV and online, whenever you need to know. And our viewers are a

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savvy lot if you go by the tweets about where you get your holiday

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money. Not at the airport, the worst place. James says, I do it on my

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smartphone. Another says, I use a special cover card which doesn't

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charge fees. Another says, I am on holiday now and I got my money from

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a department store online. It offered next they click and select

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the Jane Sydenham is joining

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us again to discuss. game is joining us again to select

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and pages. I guess his forces going in the direction. On the one hand,

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Emmanuel Macron wants to free up employment practices in France which

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have historically been a rigid. The other hand, that is making life

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worse for delivery drivers who feel that they don't have many rights.

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But the site but changes in levels are cheaper and more flexible to

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move around. But there was a suggestion they could lose out.

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There is a fear that arise they have be further diminished and don't feel

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well protected. It is interesting that that should be in the news on

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the same day we are talking about Uber looking to go public.

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Absolutely. But it may be a long way away.

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We got woken up by some heavy showers this morning across

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north-western parts of England, West Wales, some thunderstorms as well.

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But for many of us today, it is a day of sunshine and showers. Some of

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those showers will be

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