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nobody saw it, he paid for it

himself, so he would qualify for the

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Academy Awards.

Was never going to

happen, was it?

It has cult status,

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the original film.

Since then.

The

rituals that people have when they

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see Ed, the cutlery?

In a way it's

the new Rocky Horror picture show,

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there is this audience

participation. It has gone on for 14

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and a half years and there are

specific call-backs to the screen.

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One thing people do, they bring

plastic spoons because in the film

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there are these picture frames with

spoons in them.

How did you notice

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that?

You've got to watch The Room

with people who have seen it a bunch

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of times, there are a bunch of

Easter wrecks.

When they made the

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original movie they said to Tommy,

the director, shouldn't we have some

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pictures on the wall, make it look

like people live here -- Easter

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eggs. There were stock photos of

spoons and they said, Tommy, should

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we put photos of the characters so

it looks like they live here? He

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said, don't worry, if they are

looking at the spoons they are

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looking at the wrong thing. 14 years

later, whenever the spoons come up,

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people yell spoons in the theatre

and throw plastic spoons.

It could

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be real knives and forks which would

be more dangerous. We would like

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photos of you with your brothers,

because we have James and Dave with

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us. Tell us what you do together,

send us a photo and we will show you

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at the end of the show.

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In a moment we'll be meeting

a lurcher called Red

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who is looking for a home.

He was abandoned by hare

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coursers, criminals who use

dogs to

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I'm hoping that the next leadership,

even during the transition, must set

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in a new trajectory were people are

respected and that the rule of law

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is restored.

My hope and wish is

that we are able to craft a

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transitional framework for the next

elections which will put in place

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the issue of reforms, the issue of

free and fair elections as per the

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Constitution. We will look back to

this day with a hearty degree of

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nostalgia because it's something

that they have been wishing for the

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last five years but has been very

difficult to achieve because of the

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machinery that has been put to

prevent it. So, like in any new

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birth, I think the celebration

represents a new feeling, and I

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think it will go down like in 1980,

when we got our independence as a

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very memorable occasion.

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And frankly astounded. This third

veto in the month clearly exposes,

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if it wasn't already obvious,

Russia's determination to protect

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the Syrian ally, whatever the harm

that causes. To the ban on the use

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of chemical weapons to the wider

international system of rules to

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Russia's own reputation. A

potentially elongated.

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My colleague, the BBC Africa editor,

Fergal Keane, was in the chamber

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when the announcement was made.

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We're here, right at the moment that

they've heard that Robert Mugabe has

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resigned from the presidency,

and you can hear it -

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cheering from Zanu-PF MPs,

from opposition MPs and from members

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of the public who've come

here to witness what's happening.

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They didn't expect it and thought

that this could be a potentially

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elongated process of impeachment,

but it hasn't happened.

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He's gone, it's over.

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Scenes of wild celebration

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After 37 years

and a promising start,

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it's an embarrassing end for one

of Africa's last INAUDIBLE.

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This is a good day for Zimbabwe,

a new era for our nation.

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37 years with one president,

it doesn't make any sense.

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I'm very happy.

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I don't have anything to say,

but I'm happy with this.

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Mugabe was...

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I don't have any words to say now.

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There was an air of

expectation earlier.

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Parliament had resolved that,

if he wouldn't resign,

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he would be impeached.

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This is a people's project,

we are a people's party.

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We believe in people's resolutions.

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And let it go.

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And what if it fails?

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It will never fail.

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The people have never failed.

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Waiting in the wings now

is Emmerson Mnangagwa,

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a long-time assistant

and Vice President whom Robert

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Mugabe sacked just last week.

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The weight of the expectation is now

on him to fix this broken country.

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For now, Zimbabweans

are savouring the moment

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they thought would never come.

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Mr Mugabe is no longer

the president of Zimbabwe.

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Let's go straight over to Harare

now, where the BBC's Ben Brown is.

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What is the atmosphere bike on the

streets of Harare?

It is an amazing

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atmosphere and has been ever since

the news came out that Robert Mugabe

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and finally resigned. The news was

read out in Parliament just over

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there behind me were all these

people have been celebrating ever

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since and because the impeachment

process had started, most people

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were expecting that impeachment to

just continue, they did not know how

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long it would take, but in the end,

on the first day of the impeachment

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process, Robert Mugabe just decided

to resign and people have been

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dancing on the streets for the last

few hours, blaring their car horns

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and partying. It will be a party

that will go on all night. Let's

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talk to one person here. What does

this mean to you, the fact that

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Robert Mugabe, after 37 years, has

resigned?

It is a beginning. I am so

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happy. We are all so overwhelmed. We

never thought this would happen

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after 37 years. On Saturday, we came

out, and we want to thank the Army

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general for making Saturday a

success for us all to be out.

It has

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been hard for the Zimbabweans. We

are tired of these political parties

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of Zanu-PF. People are suffering in

the streets. Everything was brutal.

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We were tired of the government of

Zanu-PF are now we want something

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new, we want a different government.

I hope this resignation has brought

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a big change in the country.

We

graduates but we not working. We

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were going to work but they stopped

us going to work. They did not even

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pay us.

That is just a flavour of

the celebrations that there are in

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the people here who have been

demonstrating in front of Parliament

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whether resignation was announced.

They will be partying. Goodbye,

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Mugabe, is the message.

Very lively

streets of Harare the night.

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And joining us now is the US

Senator, Chris Coons,

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who in Congress sits

on the Foreign Relations

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Africa Subcommittee.

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We spoke to you before Mugabe fell.

Incredibly happy voices on the

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streets of Harare tonight. IQ

optimistic about the future of the

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country now?

This is a historic

moment for the people of Zimbabwe.

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The 37 years, Robert Mugabe has been

a president who became a dictator.

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The economy is in a shambles, there

have been violations of human rights

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and ways in which democracy has been

thwarted since the 2008 election

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that Mugabe lost but somehow

manoeuvred to be able to renege as

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president. I am hopeful there will

be a peaceful transition of power.

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Mugabe has resigned and has called

for peaceful transition, but this

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will be up to the people of

Zimbabwe, regional leaders from the

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African union, to insist on an

inclusive and open process. My hopes

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are that the transition will respect

rule of law and lead to an open and

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inclusive election in which there

will be a democratic process to

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choose the future leadership of

Zimbabwe reform the economy and

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repair the health of the country.

We

have been here before with other

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African leaders who have been

proposed. The lesson is there is a

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very short window of the

international community to get in

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there and enact reform and get the

economy working again. What could

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the United States do to help

Zimbabwe?

The United States imposed

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a fairly strong sanction against

Zimbabwe many years ago against both

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Robert Mugabe and some of his inner

circle of advisers as well as

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impacting the country as a whole.

The United States continues to

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provide humanitarian relief because

of the famine, drought, throughout

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Zimbabwe, but we do not provide any

direct government to government

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assistance. If the new government of

Zimbabwe presents itself as being

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more transparent and open to reform,

the United States could consider

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lifting some or all of those

sanctions. We could be a strong

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partner with Zimbabwe that the

future development. Along with our

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ally the United Kingdom and others,

we could create an environment to

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improve Zimbabwe's economy as long

as there is respect for human rights

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and transparency and democracy that

has been lacking for the last 37

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years.

But you will also know there

will be a scramble for control in

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the era of the new government,

whatever shape that government is.

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China has been very good partner for

Zimbabwe in recent years. It is

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likely that the West will try to

move him and perhaps regain some

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control had.

My hope is that the

transition will be one that will

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allow for more openness. It seems

likely that Emmerson Mnangagwa will

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be sworn in as the new president and

that Morgan Tsvangirai, the

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opposition leader, or play some

role. It is my hope that these

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gentlemen and others will view the

transition as an opportunity to

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establish new standards for conduct

of rule of law and openness to

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engage with the West and in

particular the United States and the

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UK.

We are seeing live pictures

coming in from Harare as you are

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speaking of soldiers on the top of

tanks being embraced by the people

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on the streets of Harare. They had a

tricky relationship with the

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military but today at least they

feel very excited. I want to pick up

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on this balance of power in Africa

with the Chinese. Are you concerned

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that China steps in, it has clout in

what is an important southern

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African country at a time when

America is withdrawing its influence

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around the world?

I am very

concerned about the lack of an

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active forward leading presents by

the United States. The last American

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delegation to visit Zimbabwe was led

by my friend. He and I and two other

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senators and congressmen have

visited Southern Africa in February

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2016, we met with Robert Mugabe, and

extremely troubling meeting, and I

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expressed concerns. I think that

China has a significant foothold in

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Zimbabwe. They trained many of the

liberation struggle leaders and have

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a strong economic presence. China

and the United States have a

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different approach to engagement in

Africa. They do not advocate for

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democracy, free press on human

rights and are more interested in

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economic relationships. It is time

for China to stand up for

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international standards in terms of

how we conduct business across

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Africa and for the people of

countries like Zimbabwe to have a

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voice in the future of the nation.

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One of the few Zimbabwean

politicians who dared

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to challenge Mugabe,

despite the violence

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and the murder of his supporters,

was Morgan Tsvangirai,

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leader of the opposition MDC.

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This week, he returned

to the country from South Africa,

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where he has been receiving

treatment for colon cancer.

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This was his reaction to the news.

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I'm hoping that the next leadership,

even during the transition,

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must set in a new trajectory

where people are respected and that

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the rule of law is restored.

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My hope and wish is that we are able

to craft a transitional framework

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for the next elections

which will put in place

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the issue of reforms,

the issue of free and fair elections

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as per the Constitution.

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We will look back to this day

with a hearty degree of nostalgia

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because it's something

that they have been wishing

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for the last five years but has been

very difficult to achieve

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because of the machinery that has

been put to prevent it.

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So, like in any new birth,

I think the celebration

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represents a new feeling,

and I think it will go

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down like in 1980,

when we got our independence

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as a very memorable occasion.

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Alex Magaisa is the former adviser

to Morgan Tsvangirai,

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the MDC opposition leader.

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He's been with us

since the news broke.

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I went to see him 15 years ago and

the time he had been beaten, he was

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on a charge of trying to assassinate

Robert Mugabe. It is sad actually,

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at this point when the country is

rejoicing, to see him in poor health

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at a time when he could have a big

role to play.

Absolutely. He has

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been a courageous fighter. He has

been a hero for the people of

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Zimbabwe for even the war veterans

in Zimbabwe who pay tribute to him,

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he is one of the few people who

stood up against Mugabe to take a

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leading role. But we must not forget

that people have died trying to get

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rid of Mugabe, people who lost limbs

and property. On this day, while

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people celebrate, it is important to

remember that there are families and

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people who have lost loved ones as a

result of this person who has left

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office after so much pressure.

You

were listening to the senator when

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he was talking. It said the

international community will have to

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play a role in putting Zimbabwe back

on its feet. Looking at the

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statistics, 95% unemployment rate in

the country. Foreign reserves are

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about to run out. There is a $100

limit on withdrawals. The country is

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in ruin!

The economy is one of the

major casualties of this regime. Mr

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Mugabe may have had an economics

degree, but he had no clue how to

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run an economy. People talk about

human rights violations and

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discrimination and recriminations we

saw, the people are concerned about

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the economy. These are the huge

challenges that Zimbabwe faces. It

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is important for the international

community. We look everybody. I do

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not think it is a route we should

take with us. In the past, we had

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the selective approach when Mr

Mugabe was saying, I look East and

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he slams the West. It is important

to understand that it is about the

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interests of Zimbabwe. Thankfully,

Zimbabwe is a country that a lot of

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people do care for, do look to

something that can be developed and

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become a beacon, not just for

Africa, both of the world.

There is

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so much potential. It is a country

that is rich in resources and

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education levels. I am just

wondering whether Alex thinks that

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whoever takes over can implement

reforms and implement them fast

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because to capitalise on this

moment, presumably those reforms had

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come pretty quickly?

There is so

much goodwill. We are hearing from

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the international community. I

believe that whoever will take over,

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and I think we know it is Morgan

Tsvangirai, he has to show

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leadership. That will include taking

an inconclusive and transparent

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approach. We saw people

demonstrating and exercising their

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rights on Saturday. That should not

be a one-day affair, that should be

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the new culture for Zimbabwe

embraces. We hope he will show that

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leadership because he is coming from

a system that was so bad that people

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are only looking to a brighter

future. They are saying the only way

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is up and we hope people. Promise

and we do not have another 1980

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moment. We ended up with a huge

disaster on our hands when we

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celebrated them.

We do hope the

future is brighter.

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Will there ever be a day

of reckoning for the Syrian

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President, Bashar al-Assad?

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Twice last week, Russia vetoed

a move by the UN Security Council

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to extend the investigation into use

of chemical weapons in Syria.

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In thanks, perhaps,

the Syrian President paid a surprise

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visit to Sochi yesterday to hug

Vladimir Putin - literally.

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Mr Putin is taking full credit

for Mr Assad remaining in power,

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saying the Russian army saved

the Syrian state.

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This year, more than 80 people

were killed in a sarin attack

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on the rebel-held town

of Khan Sheikhun -

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an attack that prompted

President Trump to launch 59

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Tomahawk cruise missiles

at a Syrian airbase.

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The joint report from

the United Nations and international

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chemical weapons inspectors

determined that Assad

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was responsible, and yet Russia

continues to defend him,

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to the incredulity of those

sitting at the UN table.

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I'm frankly astounded.

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This third veto in a month

clearly exposes, if it

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wasn't already obvious,

Russia's determination

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to protect their Syrian ally,

whatever the harm that causes,

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to the ban on the use of chemical

weapons to the wider

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international system of rules

to Russia's own reputation.

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President Assad's trip to Sochi

is the first time he has

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left his country in two years.

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The bearhug tells you

all you need to know -

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he would no longer be in power

were it not for the

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Russian intervention.

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So what comes next?

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Tomorrow, the Russian President has

meetings with leaders

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from Iran and Turkey.

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He is due to speak to President

Trump again after that meeting.

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But does the US have any role

anymore in the process?

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Thomas Pickering was a US ambassador

to Russia and joins us

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now from Washington.

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Many people watching will have

serious distaste for the fact that

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Mr Assad is now part of the peace

process.

I think that is right. On

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the other hand, it should come as no

surprise or shock as recently as a

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year ago, the Obama administration,

without saying much about it, had

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accepted the fact that what Henry

Kissinger used to say about this,

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that Assad would have to be in at

the beginning but out at the end,

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would be a more realistic view that

the notion that before any talks

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could begin, certainly with US

participation, Assad had to be gone,

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which I think was perhaps a

wonderful aspiration of political

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non-feasibility.

But has the United

States effectively ceded control of

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this peace process to Russia? It was

not long ago that the Americans

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under President Obama were at least

calling these meetings are now they

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are not even invited to the table.

It appears at least at this stage

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for the good bit of seeding has

taken place, not just to Russia, but

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to the Russia, Iran, Turkey

triumvirate which will meet in

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Saatchi on Wednesday, tomorrow, and

will hold a conference of Syrian

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peoples, seemingly a representative

group of the people who support

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Assad or at least are not supporting

the anti-Assad group. Turkey has had

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problems with that because there

will be Kurds present but they seem

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to be resolved. But what we heard

from Putin and Assad is an awful lot

0:21:210:21:26

of processed but not much in the way

of politics in terms of how they

0:21:260:21:29

will solve this particular problem.

We have seen a lot of things from

0:21:290:21:34

the side including de-escalations

owns which seem to be the precursors

0:21:340:21:42

of the soft partition of Syria

looming in the background. One

0:21:420:21:47

wonders in fact whether, as

President Putin announces his

0:21:470:21:49

departure for the third time,

whether that will be realistic or

0:21:490:21:53

not it actually mean anything or

whether in fact it is just another

0:21:530:21:57

stage in Russia scaling down but

still hanging on quite tightly to

0:21:570:22:02

its searing objectives.

Isn't part

of the problem, when it comes to

0:22:020:22:07

Assad, the weakness of the UN

Security Council? If they were

0:22:070:22:11

speaking with one voice, he would

have to go, but continually, whether

0:22:110:22:16

it comes to the conflict itself

whether it is the investigation into

0:22:160:22:19

chemical weapons, it is Russia that

exercises its veto.

That is quite

0:22:190:22:26

right. The Security Council and the

Russian veto at another indication

0:22:260:22:29

of what I would call limited

progress. We have the depend on

0:22:290:22:34

that. The UN seems to be excluded

from the meeting or at least the

0:22:340:22:43

negotiator may well be hovering in

the background somewhere.

There had

0:22:430:22:48

been some hope that the Russians

might at least use their influence

0:22:480:22:51

to try to stop chemical weapons. Are

we giving up on that prospect as

0:22:510:22:56

well?

The Trump administration shows

a sense of non-engagement. Maybe

0:22:560:23:03

because they are overwhelmed by

higher priorities like North Korea

0:23:030:23:06

and so on. But in some ways, it is a

continuing example of the fact that

0:23:060:23:14

the State Department is

understaffed, what they are focusing

0:23:140:23:26

on is high priority issues that seem

to be left out to pasture here from

0:23:260:23:30

the point of view of the United

States. We cannot then expect much

0:23:300:23:34

in the way the US influence. Putin

will call Trump, but I do not know

0:23:340:23:41

what that will produce. Last famous

call they had Putin suggesting

0:23:410:23:47

nuclear disarmament and Trump was

not sure what that meant. He

0:23:470:23:51

answered in the negative.

The veto

they have just exercised at the

0:23:510:23:58

Security Council was for an American

bill. So where is this that resident

0:23:580:24:07

Trump had promised between Russia

and the United States?

We do not see

0:24:070:24:13

much coming out of it. Putin holds

the line quite strongly and stiffly

0:24:130:24:18

in the areas he is most interested

in securing Russian interests. Trump

0:24:180:24:25

seems to be on the sideline,

unwilling to criticise Putin,

0:24:250:24:28

although the rest of the United

States is quite vehemently. On the

0:24:280:24:33

other hand unable to get Mr Putin to

do very much to support what is

0:24:330:24:39

American policy and, after all,

Putin jumped in with Obama and said,

0:24:390:24:43

let's get rid of the chemical

weapons. When that happened two

0:24:430:24:47

years ago. There is a Russian

interest in performing on the

0:24:470:24:54

chemical weapons account in large

measure because of his partial

0:24:540:24:59

authorship of that particular

question.

It is interesting. We have

0:24:590:25:06

the case of the Russians and the

Syrians, the case of Zimbabwe, we

0:25:060:25:12

are looking at those live pictures

from Harare right now, and in both

0:25:120:25:16

cases there are questions about

American engagement over the

0:25:160:25:20

engagement of some other power, beat

Moscow or Beijing. As these

0:25:200:25:25

momentous events unfold around the

world, the question of American

0:25:250:25:28

involvement and leadership.

Also

questions about accountability.

0:25:280:25:34

We're talking about two leaders who

have carried out on the old abuse

0:25:340:25:38

against the all bone people are

getting off scot-free. Where will

0:25:380:25:44

Robert Mugabe go? There was thought

he might go to South Africa but in

0:25:440:25:47

fact there is a charge is wife is

facing in South Africa so maybe

0:25:470:25:52

Malaysia and Singapore where they

have departments. Maybe that will be

0:25:520:25:55

the final destination.

0:25:550:26:06

Some outbreaks of rain affecting

many parts of the UK this evening

0:26:110:26:16

but wet and windy weather on the way

tomorrow. This is one Weather Watch

0:26:160:26:21

abuse from Cambridge. Hard-pressed

to find much in the way of sunshine

0:26:210:26:24

tomorrow. The winds had been picking

up, blustery night. Those winds will

0:26:240:26:28

get stronger into the day tomorrow.

Some of the rain overnight will

0:26:280:26:32

leave the time that this next batch

fringing in the Northern Ireland

0:26:320:26:37

become significant. A mild start

across England and Wales with

0:26:370:26:42

temperatures into double figures.

Well into double figures. But it is

0:26:420:26:48

windy. Cloud around, many places

dry. That's rain edging into the

0:26:480:26:52

western and northern parts of Wales.

It will be persistent. We could see

0:26:520:26:59

up to 100 millimetres of rain by the

time we had done. But it started in

0:26:590:27:03

Belfast. Across much of Scotland it

will be dry. Rain and snow in the

0:27:030:27:08

very far north. This is the main

area of rain through the day. They

0:27:080:27:12

just to pull away eastwards from

Northern Ireland, pushes into

0:27:120:27:17

northern England and southern

Scotland. Very wet air into the

0:27:170:27:20

Southern Uplands. Notice the wind

arrows. The wind strengthening in

0:27:200:27:23

England and Wales with gales

developing, maybe up to 70 mph. A

0:27:230:27:30

bit cooler for Scotland and Northern

Ireland. Things may be OK travel

0:27:300:27:34

wise but coming home in the evening,

with rain in places, strong

0:27:340:27:41

destructive winds, there could be

problems. On Thursday, be aware,

0:27:410:27:46

northern Scotland, snow. Low levels

to begin with. A dry day for many of

0:27:460:27:50

us on Thursday. Still very mild for

much of England and Wales.

0:27:500:27:55

Especially when we get sunshine.

Still blustery, the winds easing a

0:27:550:27:59

bit. Colder air pushes south across

the UK but a complication comes in.

0:27:590:28:06

Another area of low pressure.

Uncertainty about weather rain will

0:28:060:28:09

go. Some will have a very wet day on

Friday. As that pulls away, they

0:28:090:28:15

cold air completes its journey back

south across the UK, right in time

0:28:150:28:19

for the weekend. A fine, dry, sunny

day but wintry showers around during

0:28:190:28:24

Saturday, especially in the north

and west.

0:28:240:28:34

This is Beyond One Hundred Days,

with me Katty Kay in Washington -

0:30:080:30:12

Christian Fraser's in London.

0:30:120:30:15

Our top stories - Robert Mugabe

makes a suprise resignation.

0:30:150:30:21

And the jubilant

response is immediate.

0:30:210:30:23

This is the scene now in Harare -

hours after the news broke people

0:30:230:30:26

can't stop celebrating.

0:30:260:30:30

The dictator is gone

but the system survives.

0:30:300:30:32

We will look at what comes

next in Zimbabwe after

0:30:320:30:34

years of economic ruin.

0:30:340:30:37

Also coming up in

the next half hour.

0:30:370:30:39

President Trump issues his first

pardons - to turkeys that is.

0:30:390:30:48

In a holiday tradition - these birds

can rest a little easier.

0:30:480:30:51

Let us know your thoughts

by using the hashtag.

0:30:510:30:53

'Beyond-One-Hundred-Days'.

0:30:530:30:59

Robert Mugabe has resigned after 37

years as Zimbabwe's President.

0:30:590:31:04

The suprise announcement came

after parliament began

0:31:040:31:05

the impeachment process.

0:31:050:31:08

Half way through that session

the speaker interrupted the debate -

0:31:080:31:14

it's a bit hard to make out

what Jacob Mudenda says but the key

0:31:140:31:17

word is 'resignation' and just watch

how the parliament reacts.

0:31:170:31:27

Notice of resignation...

CHEERING

.

0:31:290:31:35

How do Zimbabweans feel about

the events of the last few hours?

0:31:350:31:38

Rashweat and Caroline Mukundu

have been in the centre

0:31:380:31:40

of Harare today with -

three of their children -

0:31:400:31:43

to celebrate a new era

for their country.

0:31:430:31:46

They're now back home again

and join us from there.

0:31:460:31:53

Lovely to see you both. You must be

full of optimism for your children?

0:31:530:31:58

We are full of optimism, our

children are asking us what is

0:31:580:32:04

happening. They have grown up

knowing only one leader. It is an

0:32:040:32:14

early Christmas for Zimbabwe. And we

did not believe this would ever

0:32:140:32:19

happen in our lifetime. We were

suffocating onto the political

0:32:190:32:24

leadership of Robert Mugabe. But

right now heavy burden has been

0:32:240:32:31

lifted from our shoulders. Where

happy and look forward to the

0:32:310:32:34

future. We will not allow another

leadership like Mugabe to come back

0:32:340:32:41

ever again.

What is the economic

situation like for your family under

0:32:410:32:48

Robert Mugabe recently and how

hopeful you that it will get better

0:32:480:32:54

soon?

The economic situation has

been a heavy burden, I can assure

0:32:540:33:02

you. For the few of us lucky to be

employed, you have to kick take care

0:33:020:33:09

of your family, of the health of

your parents and siblings, your

0:33:090:33:12

parents-in-law, everyone, in terms

of paying fees. Right now even we

0:33:120:33:19

cannot get water, men have no jobs.

And we're the military and the loo

0:33:190:33:39

leadership that will come will

really look at the economic

0:33:390:33:44

policies. Just new leadership. So

that our lives can be improved. It

0:33:440:33:51

has been a heavy burden. And at the

end of the month you know whatever

0:33:510:33:58

level you get will have to be split

across your extended family.

What

0:33:580:34:03

would you say to party leaders today

about the kind of future you want?

0:34:030:34:12

I'm 35 years old and the mother of

three girls and I'm so excited

0:34:120:34:18

today. I hope at least my children

will be able to go to school and

0:34:180:34:24

have books, right now I'm at home

and we have no water. And I hope

0:34:240:34:30

that this is a new beginning and we

will have everything we need for us

0:34:300:34:37

to be able to feed our children and

send them to school.

Would you like

0:34:370:34:42

Zanu PF to carry on or would you

like a transitional government?

We

0:34:420:34:49

want to see a transitional

government that overcomes the

0:34:490:34:55

polarisation of the past. We're

tired of violence. Tired of people

0:34:550:35:04

inside its by political leaders to

beat each other. We do not want to

0:35:040:35:09

go back to the politics of

polarisation. And psychologically

0:35:090:35:15

this has helped us really look at

who we are. We have enjoyed freedom

0:35:150:35:19

of expression in the past few days,

talking about our wishes. And we

0:35:190:35:23

never again want these rights to be

taken back. So we hope our political

0:35:230:35:30

leaders will look beyond their

selfish interests and beyond the

0:35:300:35:34

politics of party interests to the

people of Zimbabwe. This is our wish

0:35:340:35:39

that we're willing to support them

and willing to defend our rights.

0:35:390:35:48

Good to see both, thank you so much.

0:35:480:35:52

Earlier, the BBC spoke

to Nick Mangwana, the Chairman

0:35:520:35:54

of the Zanu PF UK Committee as news

was emerging of

0:35:540:35:56

Mugabe's resignation.

0:35:570:35:58

Nick is has re-joined us.

0:35:580:35:59

So they want Zanu PF to put the

country first and not the party.

0:35:590:36:04

They are right, the party was set up

to deliver certain political and

0:36:040:36:15

economic outcomes for its people.

But people are looking at what might

0:36:150:36:20

be around the corner, the return of

the vice president and they're

0:36:200:36:24

saying hang on, this is more of the

same.

They're wrong, I can reassure

0:36:240:36:28

them of that. In China when Chairman

Mao died, some people thought the

0:36:280:36:37

same thing. And in Tanzania when the

last president went out, they

0:36:370:36:45

thought the same. A few weeks ago in

Angola they thought the same way but

0:36:450:36:58

in all these examples it was the

beginning of transformation and

0:36:580:37:01

reform. And the same applies to

Zimbabwe, it is the beginning of the

0:37:010:37:05

new year and new dispensation.

Elections are coming up next year.

0:37:050:37:09

And for every example that you give

there are also examples of regimes

0:37:090:37:15

that have got rid of the leadership

but have carried on in an autocratic

0:37:150:37:20

way and you can understand why after

37 years of 1-party rule Zimbabweans

0:37:200:37:25

might feel sceptical that Zanu PF

really is prepared to engage in a

0:37:250:37:30

democratic process and perhaps even

allow an opposition party to win?

0:37:300:37:42

I'm just hearing your voice! OK, we

can assure you that when the

0:37:420:37:49

military took power or other took

control of things, they ensured --

0:37:490:37:54

they assured Zimbabweans there was a

new dispensation. The new

0:37:540:38:01

dispensation phrase came way too

many times and Zimbabweans were

0:38:010:38:06

assured of a new beginning. The vice

president is now a presidential

0:38:060:38:11

nominee. And in his statements he

was giving a new vision. And saying

0:38:110:38:20

it is not all about Zanu PF.

It is

going to be about this country. He

0:38:200:38:26

presided over economic grown

alongside Robert Mugabe.

90%

0:38:260:38:29

unemployment. It does not work like

that. They have no power at all? He

0:38:290:38:37

had limitations. In Zanu PF we had

only one person who held the power.

0:38:370:38:47

Everyone else was delivering things

as a proxy of the centre of power.

0:38:470:38:52

And the vice president was a proxy

that centre of power.

Are you

0:38:520:38:56

prepared to say right now if

elections were held in a month or

0:38:560:38:59

three months' time, and the

opposition party or one opposition

0:38:590:39:05

party won, that Zanu PF would cede

control of power?

It has two because

0:39:050:39:11

one thing we're going to do is abide

by the Constitution and in one of

0:39:110:39:18

the offences Mugabe was accused of

was not respecting the Constitution

0:39:180:39:25

and that was an impeachable issue.

So I do not think we can be so

0:39:250:39:32

hypocritical ass to do the same

thing.

Thank you very much. Let's go

0:39:320:39:39

to these live pictures coming in

from Harare. These celebrations I

0:39:390:39:44

think may go on long into the night.

We still do not know the whereabouts

0:39:440:39:49

of Robert Mugabe.

We do not know

where he is, whether is going to

0:39:490:39:55

stay the country where Grace Mugabe

is. One of the most remarkable

0:39:550:39:59

things about watching these pictures

is seeing those soldiers earlier, we

0:39:590:40:04

saw them on the tanks being embraced

by civilians on the streets. But for

0:40:040:40:10

so long the military has been seen

as a weapon of Robert Mugabe for

0:40:100:40:13

keeping control of the country and

seething now is the liberators, you

0:40:130:40:18

just hope the hopes of all those

people celebrating tonight are well

0:40:180:40:24

founded and there is now economic

and political reform. -- seeing them

0:40:240:40:29

now as the liberators.

What a

quarter of Zimbabweans had left the

0:40:290:40:36

country were told during the time of

Mugabe. Some of the other news.

0:40:360:40:42

Famous US talk show host

Charlie Rose has been sacked by CBS

0:40:420:40:45

following allegations

of sexual harassment.

0:40:450:40:46

Eight women accused Mr Rose

of inappropriate behaviour

0:40:460:40:48

in a report published

by The Washington Post.

0:40:480:40:52

In an internal memo the president

of CBS news said Mr

0:40:520:40:54

Rose's employment was terminated

effective immediately

0:40:540:40:56

and the revelations

showed intolerable behaviour.

0:40:560:40:59

This marks just the latest case

of sexual harassment claims

0:40:590:41:02

following the Harvey Weinstein

case.

0:41:020:41:10

In a statement posted to Twitter,

Charlie Rose said...

0:41:100:41:12

I deeply apologise for my

inappropriate behavior.

0:41:120:41:14

I am greatly embarrassed.

0:41:140:41:15

I have behaved insensitively

at times, and I accept

0:41:150:41:17

responsibility for that,

though I do not believe all of those

0:41:170:41:20

allegations are accurate.

0:41:200:41:21

I always felt that I was pursuing

shared feelings, even though I now

0:41:210:41:24

realize I was mistaken.

0:41:240:41:32

I think it is that last bit that has

people here surprised because of

0:41:320:41:37

course we have had a string of men

in powerful positions forced now to

0:41:370:41:43

issue similar apologies and that is

quite a distinction between some of

0:41:430:41:47

the apologies. The ones that are

wrote apologies and the ones that

0:41:470:41:50

seem to have a bit of a but at the

end of them and I think that was a

0:41:500:41:55

bit of a but.

This shared

feelings...

One of the women said

0:41:550:42:01

that she was in tears at the time

that she was being harassed so I

0:42:010:42:05

think pretty clear that in that

incident peelings were not shared.

0:42:050:42:09

He employed his staff and we have

talked about this in the House of

0:42:090:42:15

Commons, there was no in between

Charlie Rose and the people but he

0:42:150:42:18

employed. Interesting that CBS who

fired this afternoon in a

0:42:180:42:25

termination notice that what may

once have been accepted should not

0:42:250:42:30

ever have been acceptable. And that

brings us to the point that maybe

0:42:300:42:33

this is the tipping point in the UK

and the US that this kind of

0:42:330:42:39

behaviour can no longer be

tolerated.

Many people in this

0:42:390:42:44

position, the men who have been

exposed like this, they seem to be

0:42:440:42:47

older and you wonder if it is just a

generational thing than that younger

0:42:470:42:51

men do not do this is much was up

but also perhaps I think more

0:42:510:42:55

sceptically it is because that these

men have power and as their career

0:42:550:42:58

has progressed they get more power

and this is not about sex, but abuse

0:42:580:43:03

of power towards people who are

vulnerable and on your command and

0:43:030:43:07

that was the case with Charlie Rose.

So the man in his 30s darting out

0:43:070:43:12

does not have that kind of power. So

let's see if this is a generational

0:43:120:43:15

thing or just that men tend to

become the men who are going to

0:43:150:43:21

abuse become abusers as they get

older and more powerful.

Well the

0:43:210:43:28

public mood I think is shifted in

the United States and yet we heard

0:43:280:43:31

from the Trump administration and

from Kellyanne Conway that she wants

0:43:310:43:36

people to vote for Roy Warr, a man

facing allegations quite frankly of

0:43:360:43:41

paedophilia. She is saying go and

vote for him because we need the

0:43:410:43:46

votes and elsewhere people are

apologising, resigning, being

0:43:460:43:50

suspended.

And actually won the

first allegations came out about War

0:43:500:43:58

Memorial Kellyanne Conway was

interviewed and said that no Senate

0:43:580:44:00

seat was worth the safety of a

child. So quite dramatic the shift

0:44:000:44:04

that she's made basically saying we

need that vote on tax reform and

0:44:040:44:08

we're prepared to put up with what

one or has done. So a pretty

0:44:080:44:12

stunning reversal of her position.

Still to come.

0:44:120:44:17

Time to talk turkey.

0:44:180:44:19

President Trump spares two birds

from the Thanksgiving table -

0:44:190:44:21

in a tradition that goes back

decades.

0:44:210:44:28

An investigation into alleged data

manipulation at a forensics

0:44:280:44:30

laboratory in Manchester has

uncovered more than ten

0:44:300:44:32

thousand criminal cases

may have been affected.

0:44:320:44:36

The laboratory is used by police

forces across the country.

0:44:360:44:38

Our Home Affairs correspondent

Daniel Sandford reports.

0:44:380:44:44

A glossy promotional video

for Randox Testing Services, used by

0:44:440:44:47

dozens of police forces to check

suspects for drug use.

0:44:470:44:53

But it's now clear that for more

than three years, those tests have

0:44:530:44:56

been unreliable.

0:44:560:44:58

My advice from the forensic

science regulator was that

0:44:580:45:01

up to 10,000 cases spanning back to

late 2013 could no longer be fully

0:45:010:45:06

relied upon in the criminal

justice system.

0:45:060:45:11

10,000 cases.

0:45:110:45:13

Defence lawyer Nick Freeman

was one of the first to

0:45:130:45:15

spot the problem when

one of his clients,

0:45:150:45:19

who had admitted taking a

little bit of cannabis, tested

0:45:190:45:22

positive for drugs he knew he hadn't

taken.

0:45:220:45:26

When we got the report from Randox,

it suggested a much larger

0:45:260:45:31

amount than had been anticipated, -

but it also suggested he consumed

0:45:310:45:34

cocaine and another substance,

and he hadn't consumed any of those

0:45:340:45:37

substances, as far

as he was concerned.

0:45:370:45:39

The actual number of miscarriages

of justice is unclear.

0:45:390:45:43

The Crown Prosecution Service has

dropped 50 prosecutions for

0:45:430:45:46

drug driving that haven't

come to court yet,

0:45:460:45:50

and two cases of death by

careless driving involving drugs

0:45:500:45:53

have been referred back here to the

Court of Appeal.

0:45:530:45:56

Two employees from

Randox's Manchester

0:45:560:45:59

laboratory are suspected of not

retesting samples that had failed

0:45:590:46:01

quality checks.

0:46:020:46:04

They've been arrested

but not charged.

0:46:040:46:06

The company says it

deeply regrets the

0:46:060:46:08

distress caused and is paying

for thousands of retests.

0:46:080:46:12

But the regulator believes

it is an isolated problem.

0:46:120:46:18

There are also concerns about work

done by the same two employees on

0:46:180:46:21

family cases and workplace testing

at Trimega Laboratories before

0:46:210:46:23

it was taken over by Randox.

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Daniel Sanford, BBC News,

at the Court of Appeal.

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You're watching

Beyond One Hundred Days.

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The resignation of Robert Mugabe is

bringing some hope that the economy

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of the country may turn around.

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Dr Theo Acheampong is a senior

analyst at IHS Markit.

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People say there is no money, no

cash, what actually goes on, how do

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people carry out their transactions?

What the government has introduced a

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two tier system where you have a

voucher system will you just going

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with the card and can use that to

make transactions. These are backed

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by government IOUs and in addition

to that when you queue up to get

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money for the cash machine there is

a limit on the transaction that you

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can do. So currently a limit of just

100 US dollars, it used to be about

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500. But because of the severe

liquidity crisis the government had

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to intervene and then the central

bank recently even had to pinch --

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to print IOUs to say take this piece

of paper and the government will

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honour the payment obligation of

that.

I spoke to one friend who runs

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a business in Zimbabwe and he needed

to buy boxes, and ordinary thing

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that all factories used and he could

not pay for them because the outside

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supplier from another country would

not trust that he would get paid.

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That is very true and to the extent

that there are structural issues

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facing the economy. As we speak now

the Zimbabwean economy has less than

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one month of import cover for

International reserves. Basically

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meaning international benchmark is

looking at three, four months of

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import cover because of the severe

liquidity crisis that has faced the

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economy. This has got to the point

that virtually there is no money to

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support the payment coming in. And

so you have people who ordinarily

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would have transacted business with

other people or other international

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partners stepping back a bit because

they're just not too sure when they

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would get paid and not too sure even

if they would get paid at all.

A

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chronic situation. Thank you very

much.

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For more on Mugabe and what happens

next in Zimbabwe lets talk

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to Sara Dorman who's latest book

is 'Understanding Zimbabwe - from

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liberation to authoritarianism'.

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The country has been brutalised for

so long politically and

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economically, how difficult will it

be to get back on its feet?

It will

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be a challenging situation for

Zimbabwe. A huge amount of goodwill

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exists and I think the people for

all their very excited and hopeful,

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they understand that this is about

more than just removing one man. I

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think people understand many of the

challenges both political and

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economic ahead of them. But yes, it

is not going to be easy. That said

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Zimbabwe have been resilient, it has

very good underlying infrastructure

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and excellent trained people so I

think that there is potential there

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for the rebirth that people are

talking about.

For millions of

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course Robert Mugabe is the only

leader that they had ever known. Who

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will regret his leaving us right I

certainly have heard people saying

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for example, I had a discussion with

some friends saying my 14-year-old

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daughter is totally opposed to

Mugabe but my mother will not hear

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anything against him.

So I think

there is a cohort of people who

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respect him as an individual,

despite much of what has happened. I

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think there is a broader issue of

the legacy of the liberation war

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which is still held very dearly by

many Zimbabweans and that is why

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this process of events that we have

seen in the past week has been

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called operation restore legacy.

They want to restore the legacy of

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the party, of the movement that

brought Zimbabwe to independence.

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The suggestion is that it has gone

off track and they want to bring it

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back. So the people hoping to take

power from within Zanu PF and

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especially, they see themselves as

part of the legacy but are trying to

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identify with the good parts of the

legacy and not necessarily with the

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more negative parts of what has

happened. The human rights abuses,

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the economic disasters, the decline

of so much of Zimbabwe?

Political

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and economic systems. Thank you very

much.

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It's nearly Thanksgiving

here in the US and that means just

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one thing in Washington,

time for the President to spare

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the life of a turkey.

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A tradition as old as...

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well, pretty old.

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This particular bird

was called Drumstick - oddly.

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It will spend the rest of its days

not as part of a thanksgiving feast

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but in retirement at a university

in Virginia.

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As many of you know I have been very

active in overturning a number of

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executive actions by my predecessor.

However I have been informed by the

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White House counsel 's office that

pardons cannot under any

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circumstances be revoked. So we're

not going to revoke them.

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Well as it's such a long-standing

tradition, and as President Trump

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mentioned his predecessor -

we thought we'd look back at some of

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President Obama's turkey pardons.

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There are certain days that remind

me of why I ran for this office and

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then there are moments like this

where I Padoin Turkey and send it

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Disneyland! If for some reason,

cannot fulfil his duties as the

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official White House turkey, gobbler

will be waiting in the wings. Today

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I'm taking an action fully within my

legal authority, the same kind of

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action taken by Democrat and

Republican presidents before me, to

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spare the lives of two turkeys, mac

and cheese. From a terrible and

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delicious fate. I'm going to

publicly thank Maria and Sasha who

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once again are standing here with me

during the turkey pardoning.

Now

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where did think the turkey goes

before its big day at the White

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House? No idea. Have a look at these

pictures, these turkeys went last

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night to the Woolard

Intercontinental on Pennsylvania

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Avenue. I kid you not. They went to

a twin room, these are the pictures.

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I look today because I'm curious and

a twin room there is anything up to

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$1000 per night. There they are

going with the baggage handlers all

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the way down the corridor. And then

they go into the room and you will

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see them, this is their bedroom. And

they left them in this room, paint

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for by the National Turkey

Federation!

If you come to

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Washington let me tell you you will

not be put up their! Just one other

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fact, not just one turkey but

actually an alternate turkey so you

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have had turkeys named in areas,

stars and stripes, cobbler and

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gobbler, mac and cheese. You get the

drift. But I do not know if there

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has been a turkey called Katty and

the back-up turkey called Christian!

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And if so which one would be saved!

That is the Twitter question! Which

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one would you save! I was looking at

how many pounds, 47 in five months,

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that turkey. My last turkey

statistic of the day!

That is it on

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turkey!

We will see you same time

tomorrow.

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