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Beyond One Hundred Days.

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Saying that all challenges

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demand new approaches,

President Trump recognises Jerusalem

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as the capital of Israel.

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He says it would be folly to assume

repeating the same old policies

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would produce better results.

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In the past hour Mr Trump says he's

made the decision to move the US

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embassy to Jerusalem in an attempt

to advance the peace process.

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It is time, to officially recognise

Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

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The plan sparks protests -

and Palestinians, who also claim

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Jerusalem as theirs, are seething.

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Leaders the world over criticise

Mr Trump's announcement-

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the Pope calls Jerusalem a city

sacred to Jews,

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Christians and Muslims.

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Also on the programme.

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What is the big picture for Brexit?

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The PM under mounting pressure

to explain to colleagues

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and her critics the kind

of deal she wants.

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An outpouring of grief

in the French-speaking world -

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the man known as their Elvis,

Johnny Hallyday, dies

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at the age of 74.

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Get in touch with us using the

hashtag 'Beyond-One-Hundred-Days'.

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Hello and welcome -

I'm Katty Kay in Los Angeles

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and Christian Fraser is in London.

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President Trump likes

to do things differently.

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As he announced his decision

to recognise Jerusalem

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as the capital of Israel it appeared

to be as much about his desire

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to break with former US presidents,

as about the policy itself.

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Mr Trump said many Presidential

candidates had promised to move

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the US embassy to Jerusalem -

but none had followed through.

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There's been a lot of criticism

of this change in US policy

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but Mr Trump insisted it will help

the peace process, not hinder it.

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I have judged this course of action

to be in the best interests of the

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United States of America and the

pursuit of peace between the

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Palestinians and Israeli. It is a

long overdue step to advance the

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peace process and work towards a

lasting agreement. Israel is a

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sovereign nation with the right like

every other sovereign nation to

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determine its own capital.

Acknowledging this is a fact, is a

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necessary condition for achieving

peace.

This decision reflects the

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President's commitment to an ancient

but enduring truth to fulfilling his

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promises and to advancing peace. The

decision is an important step

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towards peace. For there is no peace

that does not include Jerusalem as

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the capital of the state of Israel.

It is in direct contradiction of the

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most basic requirements of peace, it

violates international law and shows

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total bias in favour of Israel. It

shows an accommodation of illegal

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annexation of Jerusalem.

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Let's bring in Dr Michael Oren now -

he's the Deputy Minister in

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the Israeli Prime Minister's Office

and former ambassador to the US.

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He joins us now from Jerusalem.

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The Secretary General of the UN says

Jerusalem is still a final status

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issue, it was made clear there is no

alternative to the two state

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solution so what has really changed?

It is a great day for the people of

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Israel and Jewish people worldwide,

it is the date we have waited 70

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years since the creation of the

state and many days a day we have

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waited for for the past 2000 years.

Having a sovereign state here in our

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homeland and the capital, are

eternal and undivided capital

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Jerusalem be recognised by the

greatest power on earth as our

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capital, truly a great moment. Many

things have changed, in previous

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administrations every time Israel

built a brick on a brick somewhere

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in the city that had not been part

of West Jerusalem before 1967,

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Israel was condemned for building

illegal settlements. I experienced

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that first-hand during the Obama

years as ambassador. That will not

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happen any more. One symbolic change

is for the tens of thousands of US

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Israeli citizens whose children are

born in Jerusalem, their American

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passports will no longer safe place

of birth Jerusalem but Jerusalem,

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Israel. I listened to what the

Secretary General said and the

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president was clear that the final

borders of Jerusalem would be

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determined through negotiation. And

we would welcome the chance to sit

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with the Palestinians but so far

they have refused to sit with us.

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Well the French president said the

decision was regrettable that France

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does not approve of and goes against

international law and all the

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resolutions of the UN Security

Council. So he is reinforcing the

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point made by the UN

Secretary-General. The building of

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settlements on occupied land in East

Jerusalem will still be a violation

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of international law.

Despite what

President Trump said. International

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law is determined by the United

Nations which condemns Israel more

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frequently than all countries

combined on earth. I do not think

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the UN is a good source to quote

when dealing with Israel. It is

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important as the major ally and key

mediator in relationship with the

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Arab world, United States has set

down a marker. I think more broadly

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the president has proven to

sometimes incredulous world that he

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stands by his word. Not just in the

Middle East peace process but other

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issues sets the -- such as the North

Korean nuclear programme.

Thank you

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very much.

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And Moustafa Barghouti -

a member of the Palestinian

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Legislative Council -

joins us now live from Ramallah.

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There has been a huge condemnation

from the Arab world as well as from

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Palestinians to the decision by Mr

Trump but to some extent do you feel

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abandoned by other Arab countries

over this issue?

No, no. I think now

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Mr Trump has allied himself with

Israel. The secretary-general of the

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United Nations has just rejected

what he did. The President of did.

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But are they actually going to do

anything?

-- president of France.

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They will do a lot and you will see

us doing a lot. His speech was

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Zionist, he was completely

anti-peace. He has just reported his

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own peace initiative before it is

born. So things are clear, were not

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worried and not isolated. On the

contrary I think the picture is

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clear about our hands are now free

from all commitments that prevented

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us from taking serious measures like

preferring Israel to the

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International criminal Court,

joining UN agencies regardless of

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what Mr Trump things. He can keep

the money he has given to

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Palestinians, it is not important.

But we will not accept what he did,

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we will stand up for our rights and

stand-up for our rights in

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Jerusalem.

You may well stand up for

them and I understand you're taking

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some comfort from what people are

said but the reality is that Mr

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Trump would not make this decision

if he had not squared it with his

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key allies in the region including

Saudi Arabia whatever the crown

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prince may be saying and that seems

to be a recognition that you must

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live with.

I think any Arab leader

whoever he is that dares to support

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what Mr Trump has just announced

will pay a very high price in front

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of his people. This is not a small

issue. This is Jerusalem. You know

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what it means to millions of

Muslims. You know what it means to

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millions of Arabs. They are playing

with fire. And they're trying to

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destabilise the area. That is why

the UN Secretary-General said what

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he did. Responsible leaders of the

world are recognising that this was

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a ridiculous act and has just harmed

the peace process. It has killed the

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peace process. From now on do not

talk about Jerusalem, about

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refugees. So what do we talk about,

this is the end of the so-called

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peace process.

There are groups in

the Palestinian territories calling

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for three days of rage, a senior

Palestinian, do you encourage or

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condemn that?

I encourage it very

much. What we mean by rage is

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popular, non-violent resistance and

demonstrations, not violence but

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peaceful demonstration similar to

what we did in July. It is peaceful,

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non-violent. And it will be a

struggle such as what Gandhi did

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India, Martin Luther King and the

United States. Non-violent

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resistance and also boycotting with

investment sanctions against the

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Israeli occupation and the apartheid

system. What President Trump did

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today will harm the future of both

Palestinians and Israelis. This man

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was reckless and did not care about

Israelis or Jewish people or

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Palestinians but only about his own

interests. As usual.

Thank you very

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much for coming on. A lot of

reaction coming in for top this is

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my Mahmoud Abbas, let us listen in.

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TRANSLATION:

This escalates the

struggle in our area. Our region is

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now facing difficult times. War is

that I never ending. And we

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confirmed our conviction that we

reject that. Brothers and sisters

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during the last few days we have

been in contact with many of the

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neighbouring leaders of neighbouring

countries to unite our position, the

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international position, as regards

the Jerusalem situation and the

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rights of the Palestinian people in

determining to have our right and

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just peace based on a state of

Palestine. An independent state on

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the occupied land.

Mahmood at last

there. Speaking a few moments ago.

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Let's get reaction to that from the

former American envoy to the Middle

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East under the Obama administration.

When the Donald Trump made the

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announcement to move the American

Embassy to Jerusalem he made the

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point that two decades of policy of

not recognising Jerusalem as the

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capital of Israel had not worked and

so it was worth trying something

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new. Does he have a point?

I do not

think that is a significant factor

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in the reasons for not achieving a

two state solution. As of yet. I

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think the statement was unnecessary

and unwise. I think it is heartening

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that he did not rule out a

Palestinian capital of a sovereign

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Palestinian state in East Jerusalem,

indeed he explicitly said no

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decision has been made with respect

to boundaries in Jerusalem or on the

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borders. And so while this was not a

necessary step I do not think it has

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to be a fatal step. It does setback

his own policy, American policy

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under several presidents, of trying

to achieve a serious direct

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negotiation between Israelis and

Palestinians which will lead to an

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agreement. Already very difficult as

many others have noted. This will

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make it more difficult as the

worldwide reaction from Arab leaders

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and other allies of the United

States have shown. But it does not

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entirely preclude them.

So looking

at why the president might have

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chosen to do this now in a broader

Middle East context, I'm sure there

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is some speculation in Washington

that this is really about Iran,

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siding with the Israelis and getting

the Saudis on board as well. In

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order to provide a counterweight to

Iran. Do you accept that as a

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theory?

I have no way of knowing

whether that is the reality. But

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there are many other ways to

directly confront Iran than this

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that I think would be much more

useful. One would be for the

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president to support the US and

other allies, the nuclear agreement

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with Iran and to take further steps.

I do think that this should be said,

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Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

It is going to be the capital of

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Israel, there can be no doubt

whatsoever about that. The real

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question is whether alongside Israel

there can be an independent

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sovereign Palestinian state with its

own capital in East Jerusalem. That

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is the issue, a very difficult

issue. The United States has

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previously not prejudged major

issues because our policy is to

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leave it to negotiations with the

partners. This pre-judgement makes

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it more difficult in the future

because both parties will now ask

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for judgment in their favour. It

makes it more difficult to get into

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negotiations and it remains in my

judgment of paramount interest both

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to Israelis and Palestinians that

there be a two state solution and I

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think we have to keep our eyes and

interests focus on that.

We will

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continue to talk a lot about

Jerusalem through the programme but

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another boldly played in Northern

Ireland, you may have been following

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politics in the UK that you might be

aware the first phase of the Brexit

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negotiation has unravelled because

the Irish government does not want

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the border between North and South

of the DUP do not want to split away

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from the mainland UK. Does that

dishearten you that after all the

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work you have put into the Good

Friday agreement that suddenly some

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of it is coming to the fore again?

On the day that I announced the

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agreement not quite 20 years ago, I

said in the very same statement that

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by itself the Good Friday agreement

did not guarantee peace or stability

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or genuine reconciliation. But it

made them possible. I predicted

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there be difficulties in the future.

For future leaders to deal with. I

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think it is up to these leaders now

to do what those brave men and women

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did back in 1998 and bridge the

differences and come to an agreement

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in the interests of the larger

society. Both communities, all

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people in Northern Ireland. It does

not make any sense for them to

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continue to dig in their heels and

take intractable and on movable

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positions. One a lot is at stake.

Not just the dynamic of Brexit but

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internal relations within Northern

Ireland which are exacerbated by

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that. Personally I believe a

decision by the people of the UK was

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democratically taken and must be

respected. I think it will rebound

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adversely on the interests of the UK

but the danger is it will also harm

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the people of Ireland both in the

Republic and the North. I hope the

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leaders in Northern Ireland and the

UK and Ireland will take steps to

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prevent damage from spreading across

all of the people's of both of those

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countries.

Good to get your

perspective, thank you.

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The UK WILL pay the £50 billion

Brexit bill whether there's

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a deal with the EU or not.

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So said the British Chancellor

Phillip Hammond today.

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Several hours later

Downing Street intervened.

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"Nothing is agreed until

everything is agreed -

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and that applies to the financial

settlement" - their statement said.

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So what is happening?

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It's pretty unclear.

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There was a phone call today

between Theresa May and the DUP -

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to try and get negotiations

back on track.

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But no sign of a breakthrough

there either.

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Our Deputy Political Editor,

John Pienaar reports.

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Three, two, one...

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Theresa May need some comfort

and joy, in the Cabinet

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in her party, in Ireland,

north and south.

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If only everyone could sing

from the same hymn sheet on Brexit.

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Her message, start trade talks,

we could all get what we want.

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We aim to deliver

this as part of our

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overall trade deal between

the United Kingdom and the European

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Union.

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Labour's loving

Theresa May's troubles.

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Brexit negotiations in a shambles.

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This government is clearly

not fit for the future.

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Tory Brexiteers are ramping

up the pressure, too.

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They say no more concessions.

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Will she apply a new coat of paint

to her red lines, because

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I fear on Monday they were beginning

to look a little bit pink?

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If we have a problem,

would it help if I came

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over to Brussels with

you to sort them out?

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The DUP heard Mrs May's pledge

to preserve the union but

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want more guarantees Brexit means

the same deal for the whole UK.

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Can you give a specific

commitment that

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nothing will be done that creates

any barrier constitutionally,

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politically, economically

between Northern Ireland and

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the rest of the United Kingdom?

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Mrs May was on the phone

to the DUP leader today

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but still no sign of

an

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agreement, and in Dublin a clear

threat, Ireland's leader wants a

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promise of free trade and no hard

north-south border and he would veto

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the start of trade talks

technically's EU summit.

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If it is impossible

to move to phase two next

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week because of the problems that

have arisen, we can pick it up in

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the New Year.

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The Prime Minister spoke to him

on the phone today as well

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and still no sign of another meeting

in Brussels

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this week.

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The president of the

European Union, Jean-Claude

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Juncker's spokesman went so far

today as to say his boss wanted to

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prevent Mrs May's

government from collapsing.

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So how clear if Britain's

future after Brexit?

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Not at all according

to the Brexit Secretary today.

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He told MPs Brexit would

have an impact on business so

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great there was no

point in predictions.

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Look at the chairrman's face.

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So there isn't one, for example,

on the automotive sector?

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No, not that I'm aware of.

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Aerospace?

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No.

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Financial services?

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I think it will be

no to all of them.

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And a new cause for

Brexiteer Tories to complain.

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The Chancellor says Britain

won't shirk its divorce

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bill, deal or no deal.

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That's just not a credible scenario.

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That's not the kind

of country we are and

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frankly it would not make us

a credible partner for future

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international agreements.

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But Theresa May's team

says there will be no

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deal including cash

until

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Brexit is agreed.

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Tonight, goodwill is in short

supply in the Cabinet.

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I am now eight time zones away from

you in Los Angeles, the other side

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of the planet almost and looking at

London from here it looks like an

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unholy mess. Nothing seems to be

working as it should be. I do not

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know if it is political malpractice

that they cannot do it, because the

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team is not strong enough or whether

it was just something that was not

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doable.

There are so many

conflicting parties. I think some

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people watching will say it is

unbelievable that Theresa May and

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the Cabinet has not yet had a

conversation about what type of

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Brexit they want. But it is not

unbelievable because not having that

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conversation and allowing Theresa

May to keep the show on the road, we

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know there is a yawning chasm within

the Cabinet between Philip Hammond

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and Michael Gove and Boris Johnson

and what kind of Brexit Britain is

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going to have, whether it will stay

closely aligned to the EU or there

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will be dead virgins and it goes its

own way. So by delaying the

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discussion she has delayed the

potential bust ups or chaos that may

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ensue. The thing I would say is in

all the difficulties so far, she has

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not been losing votes or ministers

over Brexit, she has just about

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contain the rebellion. The big

question comes when they have that

0:23:180:23:21

discussion and everyone puts the

cards on the table.

All help may

0:23:210:23:28

break loose. It is simple, when you

disagree with your wife, much better

0:23:280:23:33

not to talk about it. Sweep it under

the carpet.

The Cabinet go to bed on

0:23:330:23:42

a row every night!

0:23:420:23:47

President Putin says Russian

athletes can still participate

0:23:470:23:49

in the Winter Olympics

as individuals, despite the IOC's

0:23:490:23:51

decision to ban Russia

from the games in South Korea next

0:23:510:23:53

February.

0:23:530:23:54

Meanwhile Mr Putin has

announced that he will seek

0:23:540:23:57

re-election in March 2018.

0:23:570:23:59

If successful, that would extend

his presidency to 2024.

0:23:590:24:04

Finland's celebrating

a century of statehood.

0:24:040:24:07

Parades are being held in cities

and towns across the country to mark

0:24:070:24:10

a hundred years since Finland

declared independence

0:24:100:24:13

from Russia in 1917.

0:24:130:24:16

Finland joined the EU in 1995.

0:24:160:24:23

France's biggest rock star

Johnny Hallyday has died

0:24:230:24:25

after a battle with lung cancer.

0:24:250:24:35

Known to many in France

as 'our Johnny', the singer sold

0:24:350:24:38

about 100-million records

and starred in a number of films

0:24:380:24:40

in a career that began in 1960.

0:24:400:24:43

He was 74.

0:24:430:24:52

Incredible. When I went to Paris I

have to confess I did not really

0:24:520:24:59

know who he was. I had heard of him

and my producer looked at me as

0:24:590:25:03

standard and then I had to put the

story together on him and there was

0:25:030:25:07

a quote in the American newspaper

saying he was the biggest rock star

0:25:070:25:13

you have never heard. And then I

realised how big this guy is in

0:25:130:25:16

France. He once had a concert of the

Eiffel Tower and there were 750,000

0:25:160:25:22

people there. And they tell me today

in France that they are treating

0:25:220:25:28

this like the death of Victor Hugo,

he is that big.

Of course he never

0:25:280:25:35

made it in America. He never managed

to break through.

Very much an icon

0:25:350:25:43

in the French-speaking world.

0:25:430:25:44

This is Beyond 100

Days from the BBC.

0:25:440:25:46

Coming up for viewers on the BBC

News Channel and BBC World News -

0:25:460:25:50

high security for a terror plot

trial in the UK - a man is accused

0:25:500:25:53

of trying to bomb Downing Street

and kill Theresa May.

0:25:530:25:56

And a sign of the times -

the silence breakers on sexual

0:25:560:25:59

harassment are collectively named

as 'person of the year'.

0:25:590:26:01

That's still to come.

0:26:010:26:04

We have a stormy 24 hours ahead and

buy this time tomorrow the focus

0:26:100:26:15

switches from the wind to more snow

and ice. The reason why, from

0:26:150:26:20

Caroline tomorrow passing to the

north of Scotland, northern Scotland

0:26:200:26:25

having the strongest winds but windy

everywhere and as it moves away we

0:26:250:26:29

drag much colder air south across

the UK with snow showers going

0:26:290:26:33

through Thursday night into Friday

morning. So in the next couple of

0:26:330:26:37

days, this is the picture through

the night, Gail is developing

0:26:370:26:43

overnight in western parts, severe

gales in north-west Scotland by the

0:26:430:26:45

end of the night. Focusing on the

win tomorrow, Scotland and Northern

0:26:450:26:53

Ireland seeing the strongest gusts

especially in the north of Scotland.

0:26:530:26:59

Some in northern Scotland close to

80 miles an hour. They will cause

0:26:590:27:04

travel disruption and also

destructive winds elsewhere in

0:27:040:27:08

Scotland and parts of Northern

Ireland. The Met office has an amber

0:27:080:27:11

be prepared warning in force for

northern Scotland with gusts in

0:27:110:27:16

excess of 80 miles an hour and a

yellow beware warning for the rest

0:27:160:27:20

of Scotland and parts of Northern

Ireland with gusts of around 60, 70

0:27:200:27:24

mph again having an impact on

travel. Windy across the UK during

0:27:240:27:29

Thursday, outbreaks of rain for

south-east England. And a lot of

0:27:290:27:33

sunshine to come. But the showers

following in across the UK,

0:27:330:27:40

temperatures training. And turning

increasingly to snow going into

0:27:400:27:47

Thursday evening, blizzards in

Highland Scotland for a time and all

0:27:470:27:49

parts on Thursday night run the risk

of some snow showers. Going into

0:27:490:27:55

Friday the most frequent in northern

and western parts of the UK. It

0:27:550:28:00

stays windy on Friday so snow

showers, I see in places to start

0:28:000:28:05

the day. Factoring in the wind it

will feel bitter, feeling several

0:28:050:28:11

degrees below zero. Still some

wintry showers around going into the

0:28:110:28:16

weekend. Then an Atlantic weather

system going our way on Sunday, into

0:28:160:28:22

the cold air, producing sleet and

snow in places. That is one to watch

0:28:220:28:28

and we will keep you updated.

0:28:280:28:30

This is Beyond 100 Days,

with me Katty Kay in Los Angeles -

0:30:060:30:09

Christian Fraser's in London.

0:30:090:30:10

Our top stories: President Trump has

ignored warnings from around

0:30:100:30:12

the world and recognised Jerusalem

as the capital of Israel -

0:30:120:30:15

saying planning starts now to move

the US embassy there from Tel Aviv.

0:30:150:30:18

Angry Palestinians in the Gaza Strip

burn American and Israeli flags

0:30:180:30:21

and pictures of President Trump,

demonstrating against the move.

0:30:210:30:26

The Palestinian president Mahmoud

Abbas gave this response.

0:30:260:30:31

The Palestinian president Mahmoud

Abbas gave this response.

This

0:30:310:30:32

constitutes a demolition of all the

efforts which have been made to

0:30:320:30:38

achieve peace.

0:30:380:30:43

Coming up in the next

half hour: A chorus

0:30:470:30:49

of Democratic Senators come forward

saying their colleague Al Franken

0:30:490:30:52

should resign after allegations

of sexual misconduct.

0:30:520:30:57

Meanwhile Time Magazine

is celebrating a sign of the times -

0:30:570:31:00

the silence breakers on sexual

harassment are collectively named

0:31:000:31:02

as 'person of the year'.

0:31:020:31:06

Donald Trump Jr talks to

the House Intelligence Committee -

0:31:060:31:07

Let us know your thoughts

by using the hashtag.

0:31:090:31:13

A man has appeared in court

here in London accused of plotting

0:31:190:31:22

to assassinate the Prime Minister

in a bomb and knife

0:31:220:31:24

attack on Downing Street.

0:31:240:31:27

Twenty-year-old Naa'imur Zakariyah

Rahman is alleged to have planned

0:31:270:31:30

to bomb the security gates,

before attacking Number ten

0:31:300:31:32

with a knife and suicide vest

in an attempt to kill Theresa May.

0:31:320:31:35

Here's the BBC's, June Kelly.

0:31:360:31:40

Counterterrorism detectives moved

in on these two men last week.

0:31:420:31:46

Yesterday they were charged and this

morning, amid high security, came

0:31:460:31:49

their first court appearance.

0:31:490:31:52

One is accused of planning

to strike at the

0:31:520:31:54

heart of the British government

and assassinate Theresa May.

0:31:540:31:58

He is Naa'imur Zakariyah

Rahman on the left.

0:31:580:32:01

In the dock with him

was Mohammed Aqib Imran.

0:32:010:32:05

In court came the outline

of the prosecution case.

0:32:050:32:08

Naa'imur Zakariyah Rahman is 20

years old and told the court he was

0:32:080:32:11

Bangladeshi British.

0:32:110:32:14

He is accused of

planning to detonate an

0:32:140:32:16

improvised explosive device,

in other words a bomb, here at the

0:32:160:32:19

Downing Street gates.

0:32:190:32:22

In the chaos that would

follow, it is alleged

0:32:220:32:29

that equipped with suicide vests,

pepper spray and a knife,

0:32:290:32:32

he wanted to get down

the

0:32:320:32:33

street to number ten

and killed the Prime Minister.

0:32:330:32:36

street to number ten

and kill the Prime Minister.

0:32:360:32:38

He was arrested last Tuesday in this

Road in west London.

0:32:380:32:41

It is claimed that he had two inert

explosive devices in his possession.

0:32:410:32:44

He is also accused of

helping his co-defendant,

0:32:440:32:46

Mohammed Aqib Imran,

to prepare ter Avest acts.

0:32:460:32:48

It's claimed he was

planning to travel

0:32:480:32:53

abroad to help IS fighters.

0:32:530:32:57

Yesterday the head of MI5

briefed the cabinet

0:32:570:32:58

about the security situation.

0:32:590:33:00

Nine Islamist inspired

plots are said to have

0:33:000:33:02

been thwarted this year.

0:33:020:33:05

The next hearing in this latest case

will be in two weeks' time.

0:33:050:33:14

Chris Phillips is a former

senior police officer

0:33:140:33:16

and counter-terrorism expert.

0:33:160:33:17

He warns "thousands could be killed"

in a devastating terror attack -

0:33:170:33:20

and wants the government

to introduce tougher measures.

0:33:200:33:22

Obviously that case, we can't talk

specifically about it, but we have

0:33:220:33:29

another alleged part in Lancashire

today, a man circulating the address

0:33:290:33:34

of Prince George's School, two cases

that really undermine the fact there

0:33:340:33:38

are so many threats. That is the

reason why the Manchester Arena

0:33:380:33:44

bomber slipped through the net.

Absolutely. I don't think people

0:33:440:33:48

around the world realise just how

big this problem is. You do if you

0:33:480:33:51

live in Baghdad or somewhere like

that where you are having bombs on a

0:33:510:33:55

regular basis, but I do not think

the West in particular quite

0:33:550:33:58

understand the difficulties that the

police and security services have

0:33:580:34:02

got to begin with, but then actually

the sheer numbers of people that

0:34:020:34:06

are...

How many are we talking?

In

the UK alone, 20 odd thousand people

0:34:060:34:13

that we are a bit worried about,

then a further two or 3000 people on

0:34:130:34:18

a list which is, we are very

worried. If you know police

0:34:180:34:24

resources, you cannot follow an

individual without using 24 to 30

0:34:240:34:28

police officers per 24 hours. There

are not enough police officers in

0:34:280:34:32

the world to do that. That's just in

the UK. In the free movement of

0:34:320:34:38

Europe, that's exacerbated. The

numbers in France and Belgium are

0:34:380:34:40

even greater.

President Trump says

we have to get tough. How do you do

0:34:400:34:45

that? If you are listening to a guy

an attack on his as I want to do X,

0:34:450:34:53

Y, see, you know his intent but he

does not get round to it, what do

0:34:530:34:57

you do with that person?

First, the

rhetoric. We have to get tough. The

0:34:570:35:05

rhetoric of what Trump is saying is

more on them focus on the people

0:35:050:35:08

from the border coming over to

attack us. That's not the problem we

0:35:080:35:12

face, the problem we have is people

within our communities, our

0:35:120:35:15

countries, and that's all countries

across the world, who are willing to

0:35:150:35:19

die and kill their colleagues and

friends and the people that are

0:35:190:35:22

around them. That is such a

difficult thing to deal with. We

0:35:220:35:27

have to go, we are a western

democratic society, we have to go by

0:35:270:35:33

the law of the land. You cannot lock

people up before charge. Unless you

0:35:330:35:38

have evidence, evidence that will

persuade a court of law to evict

0:35:380:35:41

someone is quite difficult.

That is

so frustrating, isn't it, when you

0:35:410:35:45

know the threat is there?

Look at

the numbers, Mr Phillips, the

0:35:450:35:50

numbers you suggest, 20,000 people

in the UK alone who police would

0:35:500:35:53

like to keep an eye on. I wonder if

you think this is really a question

0:35:530:35:57

of money. You know this, since the

attacks of 911 here in the US, the

0:35:570:36:02

budget by Homeland Security has

expanded enormously. It has become

0:36:020:36:05

the third rail of American politics

finances. Is it really a question of

0:36:050:36:11

money, being able to follow all the

people you'd to follow?

It's

0:36:110:36:16

definitely not. You have to have the

resources to deal with the level of

0:36:160:36:22

the threat. Talking about the UK,

the government will tell you they

0:36:220:36:29

have an ample funds and to the

counterterrorism units, but

0:36:290:36:32

generally in police across the board

there's less money. Officers have

0:36:320:36:36

been taken away from all sorts of

duties. You have a situation where

0:36:360:36:39

people will get the intelligence

that. The attacks, they are not

0:36:390:36:42

there any more. -- the people who

will get the intelligence that stop

0:36:420:36:49

the attacks are not there any more.

What you do to stop a terrorist

0:36:490:36:53

attack is happening is to prevent

it, that's by getting intelligence

0:36:530:36:57

on people, getting behind the right

people.

Control orders?

That sort of

0:36:570:37:02

thing, but once they've got the

bomb, the car or the vehicle to

0:37:020:37:06

attack people, it's too late. All

you can do is reduce the number of

0:37:060:37:09

casualties.

Good to see you. Come

back and talk to us some more, good

0:37:090:37:15

to have you.

0:37:150:37:16

Germany's Foreign Minister Sigmar

Gabriel says the Trump

0:37:160:37:18

administration increasingly views

Europe as a "competitor or economic

0:37:180:37:20

rival" rather than an ally.

0:37:200:37:23

He made the comment as US Secretary

of State Rex Tillerson

0:37:230:37:26

is in Brussels for meeting with EU

and Nato officials.

0:37:260:37:29

The EU's top diplomat

Federica Mogherini also made it

0:37:290:37:31

clear the European Union sees

the Trump administration's proposals

0:37:310:37:33

on Jerusalem as a threat

to peace in the Middle East.

0:37:330:37:41

We would talking yesterday about how

things are going pretty well the

0:37:450:37:48

Donald Trump here in the US, in

terms of economics, wages are

0:37:480:37:52

picking up, the stock market doing

well, his Muslim man has been upheld

0:37:520:37:56

by the Supreme Court and he's got

tax reform group. -- Muslim ban. But

0:37:560:38:00

when you take America abroad, when

it has to deal with its allies in

0:38:000:38:05

Europe, you get an enormous amount

of fish back. The German Foreign

0:38:050:38:09

Minister saying we are overturning

70 years of the status quo, or 70

0:38:090:38:13

years Europe and the US had been on

the same side acting as allies, now

0:38:130:38:18

he feels the US administration is

easier as a competitor. There is

0:38:180:38:23

this huge disconnect between what

the world feels about this

0:38:230:38:27

administration, how it interacts

with it, and the way its policies

0:38:270:38:30

deal with this administration, and

the way Mr Trump is betraying things

0:38:300:38:33

at home.

What was interesting about

the dynamics of that meeting

0:38:330:38:38

yesterday, and I have been to plenty

of these in the EU, is that she

0:38:380:38:42

treated Rex Tillerson as though he

were the Russian Foreign Secretary.

0:38:420:38:48

It was a very straight statement,

that we do not agree with Jerusalem

0:38:480:38:52

and the decision you are making, we

are not having any questions, then

0:38:520:38:55

she walked out. Possibly the

Europeans think, well, here is a man

0:38:550:39:00

who did them looks like a dead man

walking. He may not be in a job in

0:39:000:39:04

several weeks' time so why are we

wasting our time on this and

0:39:040:39:07

decisions we don't agree with? I

thought I was really apparent in the

0:39:070:39:10

body language yesterday. -- that was

really apparent.

0:39:100:39:14

16 Democratic senators

say their colleague Al Franken

0:39:140:39:16

should resign following multiple

allegations of sexual misconduct.

0:39:160:39:18

He has apologised and

acknowledged the misconduct.

0:39:180:39:20

But now another woman

has come forward.

0:39:200:39:21

Senator Franken will make

an announcement tomorrow -

0:39:210:39:24

though his office isn't saying

what it's about.

0:39:240:39:26

For more I am joined

by our North America

0:39:260:39:28

reporter Anthony Zurcher.

0:39:280:39:34

I looked at these numbers this

morning, nine Democratic senators,

0:39:340:39:39

know up to 23, or whatever number

questioned said. There a snowball

0:39:390:39:44

effect on the Democrats seem to have

decided they cannot have this in

0:39:440:39:47

their own camp and they want him

gone.

It was pretty remarkable how

0:39:470:39:52

quick it happened. A Democratic

senator from Hawaii, from your two

0:39:520:39:58

of the first. Then a woman after

women in the Senate, and there are

0:39:580:40:05

quite a few women Democratic

senators, came to say he had

0:40:050:40:08

resigned. Then the male joined them,

including Peres, the chair of the

0:40:080:40:13

Democratic National committee. This

has become a snowball. Most are

0:40:130:40:19

expecting now he cannot withstand

the sort of pressure, and that he

0:40:190:40:23

will resign. -- came out to say he

has to resign.

Do you get the sense

0:40:230:40:27

they want this out of the way before

the election in Alabama, so they can

0:40:270:40:32

claim on the high ground on this and

force the Republicans to take a

0:40:320:40:36

decision?

I think that's a good

point. John Connors resigning

0:40:360:40:45

yesterday, the longest serving

Democratic member in the House of

0:40:450:40:48

Representatives, Al Franken, it

makes it easier for them to

0:40:480:40:51

criticise Roy Moore. It was

interesting also to see Mitch

0:40:510:40:53

McConnell, the seventh Republican

majority leader, not to say he did

0:40:530:40:58

not believe Al Franken can

effectively serve the people of

0:40:580:41:01

Minnesota. -- Senate Republican

majority leader.

0:41:010:41:03

Earlier he had said that more and

more, the Republican in Alabama

0:41:030:41:07

facing allegations of sexually

assaulting a 14-year-old, that he

0:41:070:41:11

should step aside, but then after

Donald Trump came down in favour of

0:41:110:41:16

Roy Moore, the Republican National

committee has begun putting money

0:41:160:41:18

back into the campaign. We saw Mitch

McConnell back off from that and say

0:41:180:41:22

it's up to the people of Alabama to

decide. The Democrats are setting up

0:41:220:41:27

a stark contrast, saying they are

dealing with our Frank and while Roy

0:41:270:41:29

Moore has been embraced by

Republicans. You have to remember,

0:41:290:41:34

Al Franken, John Connors, is safe

Democratic seats that will be

0:41:340:41:38

replaced in all likelihood by

Democrats. It's an easy move for the

0:41:380:41:42

Democrats to say, yes, they should

step aside, because it is not

0:41:420:41:47

costing them a prize Democratic

seats in a closely divided Senate.

0:41:470:41:51

That was exactly the point I was

about to make. The Democrats can

0:41:510:41:55

look like they are being holier than

now over this one but let's face it,

0:41:550:41:58

this is Minnesota. There is no way a

Republican is going to be elected in

0:41:580:42:04

Minnesota, they are safe.

Right,

exactly. There is a democratic

0:42:040:42:08

governor of Minnesota so he will

seemingly appoint a Democrat to

0:42:080:42:11

replace. Let's remember this is not

over here, if we think these are the

0:42:110:42:16

only allegations that are going to

come out about politicians on both

0:42:160:42:20

sides of the aisle, I think this is

a much bigger problem than just a

0:42:200:42:23

handful that we've seen so far.

There is going to come a point, I'm

0:42:230:42:27

fairly certain, that Democrats are

going to be able to prove their

0:42:270:42:30

principles and show that this is not

just posturing, this is what they

0:42:300:42:33

really believe.

There is certainly

something bigger happening. Thank

0:42:330:42:37

you.

0:42:370:42:40

Can a hashtag be a person?

0:42:400:42:41

Time magazine seems to think so.

0:42:410:42:42

It's marking the women

behind the #metoo movement

0:42:420:42:44

as their persons of the year.

0:42:440:42:46

Mr Trump was also on the short list

but fell short to the women who've

0:42:460:42:49

highlighted sexual harassment

The movement has now

0:42:490:42:51

spread beyond the US.

0:42:510:42:56

And it's that

collective global voice

0:42:560:42:59

which prompted Time Magazine to name

the Silence Breakers

0:42:590:43:01

as person of the year.

0:43:010:43:03

Susanna Schrobsdorff was one

of the Time editors who worked

0:43:030:43:06

on the cover story she joins us now.

0:43:060:43:13

Was this an easy pick?

For me

personally, it was, because I was

0:43:130:43:20

lobbying heavily for it. But yes, we

really did consider all the people

0:43:200:43:24

that are on the runners-up list, or

at least the top three, and Donald

0:43:240:43:28

Trump is in his own main part of the

influence that went into the

0:43:280:43:34

eventual choice, because his

election, I think, is one of the

0:43:340:43:40

first catalyst of the movement that

became Me Two, women standing up.

0:43:400:43:46

Just to make the point, time names

its Person of the year not with a

0:43:460:43:52

value judgment, this is not the best

or worst Person of the year, just

0:43:520:43:56

the person you feel has had the most

influence will stop.

Exactly, the

0:43:560:44:06

recently silence breakers are the

person of the year this year is

0:44:060:44:09

because you are looking at which

people have influenced most of the

0:44:090:44:11

world as much of world as we can

evaluate from our purchase here in

0:44:110:44:15

New York City. What we found is that

social norms are changing, what was

0:44:150:44:23

acceptable yesterday is no longer

acceptable today. It happened

0:44:230:44:27

because singular women stepped out,

and I think you said in an earlier

0:44:270:44:30

segment about Al Franken, that this

becomes a snowball effect. First one

0:44:300:44:36

person steps forward, then another.

More people are emboldened, and what

0:44:360:44:40

you have then is a tipping point.

You go back. We talked to a lobbyist

0:44:400:44:44

in California who said we can't all

be crazy, and we can't all be liars,

0:44:440:44:50

there are just too many of us.

That's what got us to this decision,

0:44:500:44:55

there are just too many women coming

forward into many fields with two

0:44:550:45:00

real a sense of urgency to it.

Apologies if I interrupted you, you

0:45:000:45:06

might have heard me asking if we had

Mr Trump's tweet. I wanted to refer

0:45:060:45:10

to it. This is the Tweety sent

before you have made your decision.

0:45:100:45:14

Was he on the list and was he a

serious contender?

He was, the

0:45:210:45:26

President of the United States is

always, could always be the person

0:45:260:45:30

of the year, he is one of the most

powerful men in the world is not the

0:45:300:45:33

most powerful man in the world. But

truth be shot, the cover for this

0:45:330:45:38

issue was five days before he set

this tweet.

0:45:380:45:44

Interesting position, wasn't it? A

sign of this moment we are in. There

0:45:440:45:51

is this fear of a backlash, that's

why some concern about our Franken

0:45:510:45:58

has about, we have to give these

accuses the benefit of the doubt but

0:45:580:46:05

also make sure their stories hold

water. I think that's why there's

0:46:050:46:09

been with our Frank and has taken a

certain amount of time, people

0:46:090:46:12

wanted to check out these stories,

but once we see a pattern, which is

0:46:120:46:16

what we have seen when all the cases

of men who've lost their job, it's

0:46:160:46:19

the pattern you look for. Most men

just accused of one instance of

0:46:190:46:23

sexual harassment, more harassment,

more and more people come forward

0:46:230:46:25

accusing the same man.

I was

thinking it was rather an

0:46:250:46:30

inauspicious start to the year for

women, that you had the first woman

0:46:300:46:34

candidate for either party defeated

by a man who had been alleged to

0:46:340:46:37

have sexually abused when, and then

you go full circle all the way

0:46:370:46:42

around this. It shows, as we talked

about on this programme so much,

0:46:420:46:47

that Twitter can be divisive and can

cause pain but can also be a form

0:46:470:46:51

for social good. Imagine if you had

had Twitter in the days of the civil

0:46:510:46:54

rights movement, imagine what you

could have done then will stop this

0:46:540:46:57

has snowballed in the space of two

or three months into an enormous

0:46:570:47:01

global movement. That is reflected

by the front cover of Time magazine

0:47:010:47:05

today, so that is a good thing.

I

would add to that, the number of

0:47:050:47:09

women who are running for political

office in the US, record numbers of

0:47:090:47:13

women who said they would like to.

And voting.

0:47:130:47:16

Here in California, more

than a thousand firefighters

0:47:160:47:18

are battling huge wildfires.

0:47:180:47:21

Hundreds of buildings have already

been destroyed and 12-thousand

0:47:210:47:23

homes are under threat.

0:47:230:47:26

The fire is burning about 80

kilometres north of Los Angeles.

0:47:260:47:29

Nearly 30-thousand people have been

forced from their homes.

0:47:290:47:34

You can smell it in the air today.

0:47:340:47:40

This is Beyond 100 Days.

0:47:400:47:44

Still to come: We talk to the former

official White House

0:47:440:47:46

photographer Pete Souza,

about his collection of favourite

0:47:460:47:48

images from his time

behind the scenes during

0:47:480:47:50

Obama's Presidency.

0:47:500:47:52

One of the oldest and most complete

skeletons of our ancestors has been

0:47:540:47:57

unveiled in South Africa.

0:47:570:47:58

Scientists have spent

20 years excavating

0:47:580:48:04

and preparing the skeleton,

known as "Little Foot",

0:48:040:48:06

and they estimate the fossilised

remains are more than three

0:48:060:48:08

and a half million years old.

0:48:080:48:10

Andrew Harding reports

from Johannesburg.

0:48:100:48:13

They found her skeleton in these

deep caves outside Johannesburg.

0:48:130:48:18

She'd been lying here

for almost four million years,

0:48:180:48:21

trapped in the rock.

0:48:210:48:25

Today, Little Foot finally emerged -

astonishingly intact,

0:48:250:48:29

after 20 painstaking

years of excavation.

0:48:290:48:34

These bones had a very,

very fragile, flaky

0:48:340:48:36

surface, many of them.

0:48:360:48:39

And it was like trying

to extract a pie with flaky

0:48:390:48:42

pastry out of concrete

0:48:420:48:44

without damaging the pie.

0:48:440:48:47

We had to do this properly,

we had to do it slowly.

0:48:470:48:50

Yes, it took more than 20 years

of my life, but I feel younger

0:48:500:48:53

and stronger for it!

0:48:530:48:55

So, these are the caves

where Little Foot was found.

0:48:550:48:59

The theory goes that she was walking

along the surface, fell

0:48:590:49:01

down into the caves,

and was covered

0:49:010:49:03

by sediment and rock.

0:49:030:49:06

Millions of years later,

scientists in the 1980s and 1990s,

0:49:060:49:10

in a series of extraordinary

coincidences, stumbled

0:49:100:49:12

across her remains and slowly

managed to piece them back together.

0:49:120:49:15

Her skeleton shows

she was in her 30s.

0:49:150:49:19

She probably lived in the trees,

and crucially, she was more

0:49:190:49:22

like us than like an ape.

0:49:220:49:28

So the pictures you see in books

of our ancestors gradually getting

0:49:280:49:30

up off of all fours and walking

along in a stooped manner,

0:49:300:49:35

that's all nonsense.

0:49:350:49:37

They were upright when

they were in the trees,

0:49:370:49:39

and they were upright

when they came down to the ground.

0:49:390:49:42

And now they're us?

0:49:420:49:43

Unearthed in these caves then,

a vital addition to our own

0:49:440:49:47

complicated family tree.

0:49:470:49:49

Andrew Harding, BBC

News, South Africa.

0:49:490:49:56

You're watching Beyond 100 Days.

0:50:020:50:04

Pete Souza is the the man

behind this iconic photo -

0:50:040:50:07

featured on TV and newspapers

round the world: this

0:50:070:50:09

was President Obama and his security

team being briefed on the killing

0:50:090:50:12

of Osama bin Laden

in the Situation Room,

0:50:120:50:15

back in 2011.

0:50:150:50:17

Mr Souza captured it while he was

White House photographer.

0:50:170:50:21

He now has a new book out -

'Obama: An Intimate Portrait'.

0:50:210:50:23

I've been speaking to him.

0:50:230:50:30

It's a real pleasure to read the

book, and when you look at the

0:50:300:50:34

pictures of President Obama in it,

you see a man who was very

0:50:340:50:37

comfortable in himself.

Absolutely,

which made my job easier. You have a

0:50:370:50:46

photographic subject, if you really

the presence of me and my camera did

0:50:460:50:50

not in any way affect how he went

about his business. That's what

0:50:500:50:58

David Otunga hopes for in a subject.

It's also the people he's within the

0:50:580:51:02

White House. The people he's

meeting, he seems to put them at

0:51:020:51:05

ease. That's why you get this

extraordinary images that you

0:51:050:51:08

captured.

I think that's true. I

tried to be as unobtrusive as

0:51:080:51:13

possible, I think try to put people

at ease, not interrupt what they're

0:51:130:51:18

doing. Not use the flash, a major

drive, be as quiet as occurred as I

0:51:180:51:24

moved around.

You've worked with two

presidents, President Reagan and

0:51:240:51:29

Obama. What makes them different?

Probably their age, number one.

0:51:290:51:34

President Reagan was in his mid to

late 70s when I was photographing

0:51:340:51:38

him, in the 1980s. President Obama

came into office door in his 40s.

0:51:380:51:43

The age factor was definitely a big

part of it.

If you could pick one

0:51:430:51:49

picture from the book, which would

it be?

Oh my gosh, that's hard to

0:51:490:51:54

do. I mean, one, not sure if it's

the one, but the one with a little

0:51:540:51:59

African-American boy touching his

head, seeing if his haircut feels

0:51:590:52:03

like his. I think that one resonates

with a of people.

That moment, can

0:52:030:52:08

you tell us more about that?

The

little boy's Mimas jig of

0:52:080:52:12

Philadelphia, I think he was four at

the time, he'd come into the Oval

0:52:120:52:16

Office with his parents to do a

family photo. His parents was

0:52:160:52:20

leaving for another post. The man

had said, Jacob has a question for

0:52:200:52:23

you Mr President. -- the little

boy's name was Jacob Philadelphia.

0:52:230:52:33

It was whispered that his friend had

told him that his haircut looked

0:52:330:52:36

like the President's. Then the

president just leaned over and said

0:52:360:52:40

go ahead and touch it, and little

Jacob touched his head. It resonated

0:52:400:52:47

with people because here is this

four-year-old African-American kid,

0:52:470:52:52

touching the head of the president

of the United States, who looks like

0:52:520:52:55

him. It also tells you something

about President Obama, and that at

0:52:550:52:59

the behest of a four-year-old he

would bend over and let this little

0:52:590:53:02

kid touch his head.

There is another

picture which for me is a moment of

0:53:020:53:08

history, this picture of Elmer

Pippin, a mother of one of the

0:53:080:53:12

victims of a church bombing 50 years

ago. She had been given this

0:53:120:53:17

Congressional medal of honour. You

conscious when taking these pictures

0:53:170:53:22

that this is perhaps a signpost to

history?

I think the fact of the

0:53:220:53:29

matter is, any person who becomes

president of the United States, it's

0:53:290:53:34

a historical time. Certainly I was

aware of the fact that he was the

0:53:340:53:39

first African-American president,

but that was not in my head every

0:53:390:53:42

day. The picture that you referred

to, the thing I like about this

0:53:420:53:48

picture is, she wanted to say

something privately to the

0:53:480:53:53

president. Which is why he leaned

down, because she wanted to whisper

0:53:530:53:57

what she had to say, so it was a

private conversation, that other

0:53:570:54:01

people in the room did not hear.

Did

he ever tell you what that was?

No,

0:54:010:54:06

he didn't.

It was just that moment,

as a photographer, G spot that

0:54:060:54:13

moment.

You have to be aware of

everything that's happening.

-- you

0:54:130:54:17

are spot that moment.

What about President Obama and his

0:54:170:54:22

family. A lot of your photographs of

the girls, and Michelle. They are as

0:54:220:54:28

comfortable in your presence as...

It just seems a very normal family

0:54:280:54:34

environment.

Yeah, I think because

they did get to know me, I was the

0:54:340:54:40

de facto family photographer. I

would cover a lot of their family

0:54:400:54:44

events. Over time, Sasha and Milly

got to be comfortable when I was

0:54:440:54:49

around. -- Sasha and Malia.

There is

that picture of them playing in the

0:54:490:54:58

snow.

I love that picture, the girls

were still fairly young. Sure

0:54:580:55:03

enough, the president came outside

of one point, played in the snow

0:55:030:55:06

with the girls, it pictured that you

referred to is in the Rose Garden, I

0:55:060:55:12

think Sasha is about the girl rose

garden -- is about to throw a

0:55:120:55:19

snowball at him.

Do you keep in

touch?

I do, I spoke to him last

0:55:190:55:22

Monday. Every time a president

leaves office, the weight of the

0:55:220:55:27

world is off your shoulders, so I

think is a lot more relaxed than he

0:55:270:55:30

was when he was at the White House.

A great pleasure to talk.

Thanks for

0:55:300:55:35

having me.

Such a trip down memory lane seeing

0:55:350:55:41

those photographs, I used to go to

the Wesselingh occasionally for

0:55:410:55:44

interviews and they had those photos

on all the walls, they were taken

0:55:440:55:47

out but the one they never rotated

out was the one with the president

0:55:470:55:50

bending down to the little boy could

touch 's hair. That one always be

0:55:500:55:53

there.

The suspense in this

situation room, quite extraordinary

0:55:530:55:59

with Hillary Clinton with her hand

over her mouth.

0:55:590:56:03