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A wealthy area of California

is swamped in dangerous mudslides.

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At least 15 people have been killed

in the hills around Santa Barbara.

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Rescue workers use helicopters

to pull people to safety in an area

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that is home to some of America's

most famous media stars.

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The great Republican exodus.

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Another top conservative lawmaker

says he's calling it quits

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amid signs the party is struggling.

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Also on the programme...

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Thousands of tourists remain

stranded at popular European ski

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resorts after heavy snow

in the Alps.

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Dumped by Trump -

banished by Breitbart -

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what's next for the former

presidential advisor Steve Bannon?

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Get in touch with us using

the hashtag #BeyondOneHundredDays.

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Hello and welcome -

I'm Katty Kay in Washington

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and Christian Fraser is in London.

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At least 15 people have been killed

in southern California by flash

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floods and mudslides.

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Huge boulders rolled down hillsides

crushing cars and smashing

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into homes after the first rain

for several months in

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Santa Barbara county.

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Around 50 kilometres of the main

coastal road have been closed

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and rescuers are trying to reach

a group of 300 people thought to be

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trapped in one neighbourhood,

east of Santa Barbara,

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James Cook reports.

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On California's Pacific coast,

ordeal by the elements continues.

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First, they endured the largest fire

in the state's history.

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Next came torrential

rain, more intense

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than anyone here could remember.

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Then, within minutes, destruction,

caused by an unstoppable wall of mud

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and debris.

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This 14-year-old survived.

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Even she does not know how.

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Firefighters using rescue dogs

heard her screams and worked for

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hours to pull her from

the wreckage of her home.

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Her family's fate is unknown.

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Everyone here, it seems,

has their own incredible story of a

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struggle to survive.

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Once the boulders and

trees came through our

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house we climbed up onto the roof

and waited till the creek went down

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a bit and then we climbed off

the roof and got to our neighbour's.

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We just got pulled out

of there by the firefighters.

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Police are now rescuing neighbours.

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We heard a little baby crying.

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We dug down and found a little baby.

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Don't know where it came from,

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Don't know where it came from, we

got the out. All the more our

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abysmal. I hope it's OK, they too

could write to the hospital but it

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was just a baby, four feet down in

the mud, in nowhere. I'm glad we got

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it him.

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A mother and her newborn baby

are winched to safety.

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The little girl makes it

onto the roof of her

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seven-year-old brother

is saved as well.

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Terrifying moments but

they are the lucky ones.

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How do you describe it?

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It is devastating.

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The fire created a situation where

the dirt was able to wash down.

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Had we still had all the vegetation

on the hills it would not have been

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as much of an issue.

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Montecito...

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Why did it happen?

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The downpour soaked

an area which had been

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affected with wildfires.

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The earth was baked,

leaving it slick and hard.

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The water had nowhere

to go

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but down, fast, into

the town of

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Montecito with deadly,

devastating effect.

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This is one of the most

exclusive

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communities in the United

States,

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home to stars including

actor Rob Lowe and TV

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presenter Ellan DeGeneres.

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Oprah Winfrey posted this

video from her garden.

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See how deep the mud is.

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The destruction was not

confined to the coast.

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Further inland, in Burbank,

a suburb of Los

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Angeles, the cameras

captured

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another mudslide in action.

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The mud roared down here

with terrifying speed,

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sweeping everything in its path.

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Firefighters will not let us go

up that any further.

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They say the situation could change

in the blink

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of an eye.

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As you can see, this

is how dangerous it is.

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The Pacific coast was hardest hit.

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The financial cost will be immense.

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The human toll, even higher.

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James Cook, BBC News, Montecito.

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A rough month for them. First the

fires than this, no warning. Let's

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move on to politics.

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Already this week two top

Republicans have announced

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they won't run for office again -

it's part of an exodus which is very

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worrying to Republican leaders

as they try to hang on to power

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in this year's mid term elections.

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Today, long term congressman

Darrell Issa said he's quitting -

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yesterday it was Ed Royce,

the powerful chairman of the House

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Foreign Affairs Committee.

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And here's the real

problem for Republicans -

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both those men come from districts

in California than Democrats have

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a pretty good chance of winning.

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So far 31 Republicans have said

they don't want to run again -

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while only 15 Democrats are leaving.

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Is it Washington's toxic politics,

is it Trump or is it the fear

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of being back in the minority?

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One of those joining the republican

exodus is congressman Charlie Dent.

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He was first elected

to the House in 2004 -

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and more recently has been critical

of his own party under

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President Trump.

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He joins us now from Capitol Hill.

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You are from Pennsylvania, it is a

swing state, are you worried that if

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you leave, if congressmen from the

Republican Party leave, you are

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opening up the opportunity for

Democrats to sweep the house in the

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midterms?

Well, clearly any time

incumbent members decided not to run

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again from I will say swing

districts or marginal districts that

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makes them more vulnerable. You just

mentioned two who are not running

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again, even if you forget about the

time and for a moment, history

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states that the party of the

president will usually experience

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losses in the mid-term, this year is

no different. This midterm election

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will largely be a referendum on

Donald Trump and his conduct in

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office, that's a fact. We will have

to deal with it. The only question

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is what type of a win will we be

facing in the mid-term? A hurricane

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force win or something more than

that. I tell my colleagues they

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better prepare for the worst and

hope for the best.

As you sit down

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with your family and colleagues made

the decision not to run again, was

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Donald Trump a factor?

A factor, but

not necessarily the factor in my

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decision. I have been elected to

office now offer 28 years, I have

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been voted 13 times, I am not going

to spoil a perfect record. I did not

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have any serious threat from the

left or a credible threat from the

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rights of way was not worried

election but I did think I'm young

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enough and healthy enough I can do

something else with my life. There

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has been a paralysis here caused by

the polarisation, just trying to

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accomplish the most basic

fundamental tasks of governing, from

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giving the government funded to not

defaulting on our obligations,

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providing hurricane relief, budget

agreements, these issues have become

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enormously difficult to pass. I have

to say there is a frustration, for

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me, in that regard because the one

committee that actually has to do

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something every year, keep the

government running, I'm on that.

We

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saw with an example of

bipartisanship yesterday, with

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Democrats and Republicans are

sitting around the table with Donald

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Trump but the president lamented

these days the two parties can't get

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along, they can't cut deals like

these two in the good old days. Why

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is that?

We have a lot of people who

come from very safe districts. Their

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political safety is to the base or

in sometimes to the French that they

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feel that's where their political

safety is, there's not a political

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reward is the consensus and find

agreements and ultimately heaven

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forbid a compromise, there is no

political reward therefore a lot of

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these folks. I represented a strict

and is more a marginal swing

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district can go either way, in

districts like mine is easier to

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support consensus agreements, but

for a lot of members there is no

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reward for that. They get accused of

being surrender rose and sell-outs.

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How much of this is the battle that

has been in the party for the soul

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of the party, between the moderate

wing and the alt-right? Represented

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by Steve Bannon.

Well, before Donald

Trump we used to have a litmus test,

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a purity test in the Republican

Party, who was pure enough? We used

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to have these self designated

chiefs, the purity police who would

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judge you. I was always considered

part of the pragmatic wing, so we

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had a battle between the purists and

pragmatists. Then along comes Donald

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Trump who is not ideological

doctrinaire, he's not a purist, said

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other litmus test has become loyalty

to the president. That is really

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confounding to all those previous

chiefs of the purity police. We are

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in an odd spot now, where we have

this new dynamic that is frankly a

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bit puzzling to me. It's a bit

confounding.

Charlie dance, thank

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you for joining us. Good luck in

your future endeavours. It's

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fascinating. Republicans control

three branches of government yet

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listening to Charlie there, he joked

about purists versus pragmatists,

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then you put Donald Trump on top,

you sense there is a malaise that

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are set in within the GOP.

The party

is worried about these mid-term

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elections, they are worried that

these Republican congressman who

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have decided not to run again, it's

not just about members of the house

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who feel nervous about the future,

it's also about voters, and those

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congressmen, people like Charlie

Dent actually reflect a malaise

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among voters in the country. If

those people do not turn up in the

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mid-term elections then as the

congressman was suggesting, the

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party could be in foray hurricane,

November. If you are a moderate in

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this country and you would like more

cooperation between Republicans and

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Democrats then exactly the kind of

person you would want to have an

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office is somebody like Congressman

Charlie Dent, and losing him suggest

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the country will become more extreme

and a lot less so. He is one of

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those rare centrists at the moment.

-- not less so.

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A top Democrat has gone rogue

on the Russia investigation.

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Dianne Feinstein, the senior

Democrat on the Senate

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Judiciary Committee,

has shocked Republicans

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by unilaterally making a key piece

of testimony public.

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Ms Feinstein put the full transcript

of the committee's interview

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with the head of Fusion

GPS on her website.

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Fusion GPS is the firm that

commissioned the now infamous

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dossier by former UK intelligence

officer Christopher Steele that

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alleges collusion between the Trump

campaign and Moscow.

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The co-founder of Fusion GPS

is Glenn Simpson who was interviewed

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for several hours by the Senate

committee last year.

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In the transcript Mr Simpson says

Mr Steele was concerned that

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Donald Trump could be

blackmailed by Russia.

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Joining me is our North America

reporter Anthony Zurcher.

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And before we start Anthony I want

to ready you this tweet

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from the president this morning.

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"The fact that Sneaky Dianne

Feinstein, who has on numerous

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occasions stated that collusion

between Trump/Russia has not been

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found, would release testimony

in such an underhanded and possibly

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illegal way, totally without

authorization, is a disgrace.

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Must have tough Primary!"

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That's a reference to her running

again. The president clearly not

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happy. I imagine Dianne Feinstein's

Republican colleagues also not happy

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about this decision, to go out with

this testimony.

And Dianne Feinstein

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was one of the people at that

meeting that Christian mentioned

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yesterday, an immigration where they

are all fairly friendly, convivial

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type

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then she releases this transcript. I

think they wanted to get the full

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record out because leaks had been

coming out from this testimony,

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characterised to undermined

Christian steel's dossier. Last week

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we saw the committee chair

recommends the Justice Department

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investigate Christopher Steele for

lying to the FBI, so it seems lines

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are being drawn here.

What I wonder

is where this leaves the state of

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those Congressional enquiries on to

the issue of collusion between

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Russia and possibly the Trump

campaign. You have very different

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investigations going on on two of

those now you have Democrats and

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Republicans totally at odds and I

can't believe those investigations

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are actually functioning. That is

one Senate committee that is

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actually managing to work. The house

intelligence committee totally

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deadlocked, the Senate intelligence

committee shows signs of the

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Republican, the only one that is

functioning. Neymar Donald Trump

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talking about our Republicans had to

take control on this.

We have him

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shouting out to the public that

Republicans need to clamp down on

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the investigation, and do away with

the witchhunt.

It's interesting,

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Senator Chris Coombes saying

yesterday there are at an impasse on

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this particular committee and can't

see eye to eye. What you see in the

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first quarter of this dossier is

that Republicans are tilting

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towards, how did you come up with

this information, do you work for

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the Russians? Rather than what did

you find out, it's quite insightful.

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The thing that strikes me, Anthony,

is just how easy it was, seemingly,

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for Glenn Simpson to find out about

Trump's connections to the Mafia.

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Let's look at an extract from the

dossier. He says in the book first

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weekend I started boning up on

Donald Trump I was able to find

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connections to Italian organised

crime and later to a Russian

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organised crime figure.

We sort of

saw an explanation for opposition

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research, when the first thing he

did was order a bunch of books on

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Donald Trump, there's been a lot of

investigation into his business

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record that is out there. When

Christopher steel went to Russia, he

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started contacting his people there.

He said there were very cooperative,

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very open about their dealings with

Donald Trump. You must remember the

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context, back in mid-2016, before

Russian ties became a hot button

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political issue, they seemed more

willing to talk according to

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Simpson, later on, that was when his

sources started to climb up because

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they started to feel the heat.

Thank

you very much for joining us.

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Interesting also that as you pointed

out earlier, Steel is saying them,

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Simpson is saying the FBI was

investigating this anyway.

That will

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really anger the Democrats. Maybe

that is why they find Sun has

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released this. What they are saying

if this was not the dossier which

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led to special counsel

investigation. The FBI were already

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investigating the Russian links as

far back as June 20 16. Harry Reid

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who was leading the Democrats in the

Senate at the time wrote to James

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Comey and asked if he was

investigating Donald Trump, the New

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York Times said there was not, now

we find out the FBI were

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investigating Donald Trump as far

back as June without the dossier and

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so the question is, why do they talk

about Clinton's investigation, into

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the e-mails, and you did not talk

about Donald Trump?

As you say, that

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will not endear them to the

Republicans.

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Most people dream of lots of snow

when they go skiing -

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but not this much.

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Thousands of tourists are stranded

after heavy snow in the Alps cut

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off towns and villages

across Switzerland,

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France and Italy.

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Visitors were even being airlifted

out of one of the most

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popular Swiss ski resorts,

Zermatt.

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The avalanche risk in the area

is the highest it's been

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for almost ten years.

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Tom Burridge reports.

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This is the only way out

of Zermatt this morning.

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The luggage of tourists

stuck here airlifted out.

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Heavy snow has closed all the roads.

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So those who can catch this shuttle

service to a nearby town.

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Waiting on that helipad this

lunchtime, Rebecca Smith.

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These are people waiting

for the next helicopter out.

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We spoke as she began

the first leg of a long

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journey back to Manchester.

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A lot of people will

say you are stuck in

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somewhere beautiful,

you can go skiing but

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that is not the case,

you are stuck in a hotel room

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because of the risk of avalanche.

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So this morning,

helicopters were also busy

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clearing avalanches.

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Blowing huge quantities

of snow off the

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mountains, which has

fallen in recent days.

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In remote areas, one metre of snow

fell in just 24 hours.

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And although conditions in Zermatt

have improved this morning, the risk

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of avalanche in the

area remains high.

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A Swiss company captured this

avalanche just outside the town

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last week.

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The deadly force abundantly clear.

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And this was the scene after

a recent avalanche in a French town.

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Further south in the resort

of Tignes, cafes hidden by the snow.

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It was here that John Bromell from

Lincolnshire was snowboarding in

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poor weather on Sunday.

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In Zermatt, the operation to get

tourists out on helicopters

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continues.

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Looking forward to getting

back down the mountain.

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We live in Australia

and we will miss

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the flight from Zurich

so we're happy to leave now.

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Heavy snow this winter has

made many peoples skiing

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holidays but with some slopes

here now closed, too much is causing

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problems and treacherous conditions.

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Steve Bannon's inflated

sense of self importance

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couldn't save his job -

either at the White House

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or at Breitbart news.

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He was ousted yesterday as head

of the conservative website.

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It was spectacular fall from grace

for the man who styled

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himself as the architect

of Donald Trump's

0:19:460:19:47

extraordinary victory.

0:19:470:19:49

Mr Bannon's statements in the book

0:19:490:19:50

Fire And Fury were the last straw.

0:19:500:19:52

The influential funders of Breitbart

pulled their support.

0:19:520:19:54

Now the question is what happens to

the populist movement he championed?

0:19:540:19:57

Joshua Green chronicled

the relationship between Bannon

0:19:570:19:59

and Trump in his book

The Devil's Bargain

0:19:590:20:02

and he joins us now.

0:20:020:20:10

Thanks for coming in. What was Steve

Bannon thinking? Did he really think

0:20:100:20:15

you could get away with saying to a

reporter the kinds of things you

0:20:150:20:19

said about Donald Trump and his

family and keep his bosses support?

0:20:190:20:24

He did, because Bannon really

believe that Trump's and action was

0:20:240:20:27

the culmination of a set of forces

that existed independent of Trump.

0:20:270:20:34

-- Trump's election. He thought he

and not Trump was the true channel

0:20:340:20:39

of those forces, that recognised

himself in a movement where he was

0:20:390:20:45

the intellectual architect. We have

now learned to buy civilly that

0:20:450:20:49

voters support Trump and not Bannon

and he hears, fallen all the way

0:20:490:20:53

from the pinnacle of power.

Knowing

the two men and having reported on

0:20:530:20:58

both of them as you have, what do

you think it was specifically the

0:20:580:21:01

Donald Trump that was really the

last straw?

For Trump, I think it

0:21:010:21:06

was a man taking credit for his

success. There have been news

0:21:060:21:11

reports to the effect that Trump was

upset about what Bannon had said

0:21:110:21:15

about his family, about these

potentially treasonous Russian

0:21:150:21:18

meetings, that was Bannon's quote,

but I think what it really was was

0:21:180:21:23

Trump for Bannon was taking

something away from his presidential

0:21:230:21:26

victory by claiming credit for it

and it is something Donald Trump

0:21:260:21:29

simply will not abide.

That goes

back a while. We have seated on the

0:21:290:21:34

Saturday Night Live sketches where

Steve Bannon was the real president

0:21:340:21:37

and Trump was made to sit at the

tiny table. What happens now to

0:21:370:21:41

Steve Bannon? Is that it?

I know

Bannon would like to remain relevant

0:21:410:21:46

and politics going forward, he still

believes he is an influential

0:21:460:21:50

figure, but without the platform of

Breitbart news and a serious radio

0:21:500:21:53

show, both of which he has lost,

it's not clear what the venue for

0:21:530:21:57

him to get his message out would be.

They put out a string of

0:21:570:22:02

administration and thistles on

Sunday saying this as a whole load

0:22:020:22:04

of trash, Fire And Fury, but if you

annihilate Steve Bannon, bury him in

0:22:040:22:09

the way you have, don't you tacitly

acknowledge that what he said is

0:22:090:22:12

true?

It's difficult to come out and

call the book fake news, as

0:22:120:22:19

President Trump has, and then go out

and attacked one of the main sources

0:22:190:22:22

of that book. I know from my own

reporting with Bannon and other

0:22:220:22:27

senior officials that the port

represented it Michael Wolff's book

0:22:270:22:31

is essentially the correct one, that

Trump is a unfocused president, and

0:22:310:22:38

the Wesselingh is really in chaos

most of the time. I think the

0:22:380:22:44

problem for Bannon is that Trump

went to people and said listen, it's

0:22:440:22:48

time for you to choose, you are with

me or him. -- the White House is in

0:22:480:22:53

chaos. If you are with me, I want to

cut ties with Bannon and bury him

0:22:530:22:59

and that's precisely what White

House officials have been doing.

0:22:590:23:03

Donald Trump has put a lot of money

in Michael Wolff's pocket but he

0:23:030:23:06

clearly does not like the book. He

has been talking about libel laws

0:23:060:23:09

today.

If somebody says something

that is totally and knowingly false,

0:23:090:23:15

that the person that has been

abused, the famed, liable to have

0:23:150:23:19

meaningful recourse. Our current

libel laws are a sham. And a

0:23:190:23:25

disgrace, and do not represent

American values or American

0:23:250:23:31

fairness, so we are going to take a

strong look at that.

Is this the man

0:23:310:23:36

who accused Ted Cruz's father of

being involved in the JFK shooting?

0:23:360:23:40

Or said President Obama was not born

in the US? Are we talking about the

0:23:400:23:44

same man?!

We are, we are also

talking about an empty threat.

0:23:440:23:51

Donald Trump is not going to sue

Michael Wolff the deformation, and

0:23:510:23:55

if you does he will sell another

million bucks for the author. This

0:23:550:23:59

is Trump's way of issuing response

to something he does not like, to

0:23:590:24:05

try to take control of the news

cycle.

I bet you slightly wish

0:24:050:24:09

Donald Trump had taken on your book

like this. Without not have done a

0:24:090:24:13

great thing for you?

He could have

at least threatened a lawsuit,

0:24:130:24:18

bright!

0:24:180:24:21

One of the things that's

interesting, people pointed out

0:24:210:24:24

yesterday there was this

extraordinary moment in which had

0:24:240:24:26

Steve Bannon being ousted from

Breitbart, the ultimate

0:24:260:24:30

nationalists, populist, the guy who

railed against illegal immigration,

0:24:300:24:35

who wanted an American first agenda,

on the same day that Donald Trump

0:24:350:24:39

sits there with members of both

parties, discusses the possibility

0:24:390:24:43

of comprehensive immigration reform,

and announces he is going to Davos.

0:24:430:24:48

That place of the global elite. It

has people here scratching their

0:24:480:24:52

heads and wondering, is all that

populism that Steve Bannon

0:24:520:24:55

represented, the National is, is

that God? Is this going to be the

0:24:550:24:59

year of the globalist Donald Trump?

He was the weather vein of the base.

0:24:590:25:07

He kept on the straight and narrow

as to what the alt-right thinking.

0:25:070:25:10

Is that what John is thinking? I

would not call the base the

0:25:100:25:15

alt-right, I think those are

different. But dating the base is

0:25:150:25:19

very concerned about things like

immigration. They do not want the

0:25:190:25:22

president to row back on that. There

are also supporters of Donald Trump

0:25:220:25:26

who would still say Steve Bannon is

very useful for being the base

0:25:260:25:29

whisper and being in touch with the

base, and can you really alienate

0:25:290:25:33

him totally? Who knows, Steve Bannon

may be back, that's the way this

0:25:330:25:37

president tends to work.

0:25:370:25:39

This is Beyond 100

Days from the BBC.

0:25:390:25:41

Coming up for viewers on the BBC

News Channel and BBC World News -

0:25:410:25:44

the 100 women saying NOT US

to the ME TOO campaign -

0:25:440:25:47

and the famous French actress

who thinks 'pestering men' aren't

0:25:470:25:49

a problem - we'll be asking why.

0:25:490:25:52

And translating Trump -

we go to cities around the world

0:25:520:25:54

to ask what they think

of the American president -

0:25:540:25:57

is he just as divisive

outside of the US?

0:25:570:25:59

We'll be finding out.

0:25:590:26:01

Quite a quiet spell of weather

across the British Isles for the

0:26:120:26:15

next few days but not without its

own problems. First an old weather

0:26:150:26:20

front lurches with intent across the

East, producing rain not just in

0:26:200:26:24

Ipswich, it has to be said. Further

west, the fog in some spots never

0:26:240:26:30

really cleared for the greater part

of the day. Any good news? Yes there

0:26:300:26:34

was, an awful lot more sunshine

around in the south and central

0:26:340:26:38

parts. Those clear skies by date, no

great problems, clear skies by

0:26:380:26:45

night, we may end up with a

widespread fog problem. Some low

0:26:450:26:55

cloud lurking close by to East

Anglia, and the south-east from that

0:26:550:26:59

weather front, good in its own right

produce hill fog. First up for the

0:26:590:27:04

new day on Thursday, fog patches,

some are really quite dense. Could

0:27:040:27:09

be a real issue if you are on the

move first thing. Quite a chilly

0:27:090:27:13

start I would have thought, a touch

of frost perhaps across parts of

0:27:130:27:16

Scotland, and here in south-western

parts we may see that chance of fog.

0:27:160:27:22

So too through the western side of

the Pennines, Wales and West

0:27:220:27:25

Midlands. Out east, the old weather

front will be speeding in as it

0:27:250:27:33

forms an area of low pressure close

by to the south-eastern quarter of

0:27:330:27:37

the British Isles, some low cloud

that will produce hill fog and

0:27:370:27:40

really one of those days. That cloud

will be thick enough for there to be

0:27:400:27:44

bits and pieces of rain and drizzle

on offer throughout the day in East

0:27:440:27:48

Anglia and the south-east. The odd

bit MPs in the North York Moors. The

0:27:480:27:53

best of the sunshine away to the

western side of Scotland, down

0:27:530:27:59

through Wales interview south-west

of England. If fog lingers, it may

0:27:590:28:03

well be your figures are well down

into those single figures. Not a

0:28:030:28:08

particularly warm start to the new

day on Friday, again that

0:28:080:28:12

combination of cloud and fog that

causes us a bit of concern. Friday a

0:28:120:28:17

quiet day, first signs of a weather

front trying to work in toward the

0:28:170:28:20

British Isles. Even as we get as far

ahead as the weekend, you see it

0:28:200:28:25

runs into this area of high pressure

across western Russia, making the

0:28:250:28:30

progress of that front very slow

indeed.

0:28:300:28:34

This is Beyond One Hundred Days,

with me Katty Kay in Washington -

0:30:090:30:12

Christian Fraser's in London.

0:30:120:30:13

Our top stories:

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15 people are now known

to have died in a series

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of mudslides near Los Angeles -

emergency teams are still

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digging into debris.

0:30:190:30:21

And in the European Alps,

heavy snow leaves thousands

0:30:210:30:23

of tourists stranded -

some needed to be airlifted out.

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Coming up in the next half hour:

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One of France's best-known actresses

is among a hundred women to sign

0:30:300:30:33

an open letter warning

of a new puritanism after recent

0:30:330:30:36

sexual harassment scandals.

0:30:360:30:42

And a whale of a tale -

the humpback that took

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a woman under its fin -

saving her from a tiger shark.

0:30:450:30:48

Let us know your thoughts

by using the hashtag

0:30:480:30:51

'Beyond-One-Hundred-Days'

0:30:510:31:01

One hundred well-known French women

have signed an open letter

0:31:020:31:04

defending the right of men

to flirt with women.

0:31:040:31:08

Actress Catherine Deneuve is one

of the signatories who says

0:31:080:31:13

the recent campaigns against sexual

harassment are creating

0:31:130:31:14

a new wave of puritanism.

0:31:150:31:18

The open letter published

in Le Monde, says: "Men have

0:31:180:31:20

been punished summarily,

forced out of their jobs

0:31:200:31:22

when all they did was

touch someone's knee

0:31:220:31:24

or try to steal a kiss."

0:31:240:31:27

It went on to say: "Rape is a crime,

but trying to seduce someone,

0:31:270:31:32

even persistently or clumsily,

is not - and nor is men being

0:31:320:31:35

gentlemanly a chauvinist attack."

0:31:350:31:38

We can speak to Sonia Bogdanosky

who's one of the women who signed

0:31:380:31:41

the letter in Le Monde.

0:31:410:31:43

She is a film editor

and joins us from Paris.

0:31:430:31:49

I noticed, I hope you don't mind me

saying, a lot of signatories were of

0:31:490:31:58

an older generation, who might be

satisfied with the sexual freedoms

0:31:580:32:01

they won in the 60s, but your

critics would say that the battle is

0:32:010:32:05

hardly won.

I would say it's not

something about sexual liberty. It

0:32:050:32:13

is more... It is some sort of woman

and about the way we can answer to

0:32:130:32:21

things that are not crime. We say

rape is a crime, but a lot of things

0:32:210:32:26

are not a crime and we are not only

victims. It is not about so much

0:32:260:32:33

sexual liberty, but the fact that we

can choose only be seen as victims,

0:32:330:32:42

we can answer to this fact has

happened. I have to say that I'm not

0:32:420:32:47

a nonperson, I'm not a celebrity,

I'm not Catherine Deneuve. A lot of

0:32:470:32:54

young people signed the letter. A

lot of unknown persons signed the

0:32:540:32:59

letter. It is not just one

generation.

Speaking as a man,

0:32:590:33:03

doesn't it come down to context, if

you hold a position of hower power

0:33:030:33:12

over a woman you have to be more

careful about how you approach

0:33:120:33:16

someone, can it be considered

aggressive or threatening and if it

0:33:160:33:20

can, you shouldn't do it. It is the

context isn't it?

It is the context,

0:33:200:33:28

but Texn't is not talking about what

happens in work. The work place is

0:33:280:33:34

something special where people have

power and the text is more talking

0:33:340:33:40

about what happens in the metro, in

the street, between people who have

0:33:400:33:46

not power relations. And in the

metro I don't feel I have got more

0:33:460:33:52

or less power than the man who will

be annoying me. So yes I'm not a

0:33:520:33:58

man, I can't judge as a man. But it

is normal for me.

If you were felt

0:33:580:34:04

up in the metro, you would say stop

and be angered by that?

Yes. But I

0:34:040:34:11

wouldn't feel necessarily

humiliated, I wouldn't feel I would

0:34:110:34:14

be a victim. The first time I was

conscious of that, I wasn't in the

0:34:140:34:22

metro, I was young and there was a

guy, he was drunk and he had a

0:34:220:34:26

bottle and he put the bottle on his

penis and his put the bottle near

0:34:260:34:39

the face of a woman and the woman

slapped the the bottle and said, now

0:34:390:34:47

you stop this. If I wouldn't be this

woman I would be totally scared and

0:34:470:34:54

shocked and I thought, oh, but can I

be something more than a victim.

I

0:34:540:35:02

don't really understand Sonia what

this let letter is about and if it

0:35:020:35:10

is no about the work place and all

the people we have seen they have

0:35:100:35:16

been sacked, because it because they

abused their pow ever over a younger

0:35:160:35:21

woman. I don't understand why a

25-year-old woman should have to put

0:35:210:35:25

up with that. Don't you want a work

environment where a 25-year-old

0:35:250:35:29

woman can turn up for work and an

older guy who wants to try a kiss,

0:35:290:35:34

she shouldn't have to put up with

that?

I want to work normal with

0:35:340:35:42

normal ways of dealing with people.

But if you are to sue somebody, to

0:35:420:35:52

denounce somebody if there is a

problem at your work place, it has

0:35:520:35:58

to be done in legal ways. That is

what this text is also about. You

0:35:580:36:05

can't just consider that a hashtag

should solve the problem.

But the

0:36:050:36:09

people who have been fired have been

fired following investigations and

0:36:090:36:15

those organisations believed that

the men behaved inappropriately. I

0:36:150:36:19

imagine that you would want an

environment in which it is safe for

0:36:190:36:23

women to turn up to work and

therefore organisations following an

0:36:230:36:27

investigation get rid of those men

who abuse their power.

In France,

0:36:270:36:31

there is at least one case that I

have known about a man who was

0:36:310:36:38

dismissed from his job and there was

not, there was just... The complaint

0:36:380:36:44

against him. There was not something

legal and there was, well, it's more

0:36:440:36:51

complicated, but that is not for me,

the main point of this text. That is

0:36:510:36:56

not the reason I signed this text.

Thank you very much for being with

0:36:560:37:01

us. I was reading a letter in the

Times the other week, an article

0:37:010:37:08

actually by Giles Coren, he said

that after the hashtag Me Too

0:37:080:37:12

campaign he had been writing to a

colleague, something who offered him

0:37:120:37:16

work and he didn't know this woman

and wrote back said I would love to

0:37:160:37:20

take on the work and then wrote,

kiss, kiss, two crosses and he

0:37:200:37:25

stopped before he sent it. He

thought, I don't know is in woman,

0:37:250:37:28

why am I sending the two kisses. So

he is changing his behaviour and he

0:37:280:37:33

said, is that a good thing, is it

making me think about the way I

0:37:330:37:42

approach woman or is the paranoia

that men face.

Perhaps we need an

0:37:420:37:48

open and difficult conversation

about this, is it, why should he put

0:37:480:37:54

kisses, he wouldn't be giving her

kisses? If it is a purely

0:37:540:37:59

professional situation.

You wouldn't

do it with your Ed toer.

-- editor.

0:37:590:38:06

Always does it make the person who

is on the receiving end of this feel

0:38:060:38:11

uncomfortable. I'm 53, it doesn't

happen to me, but when I was in my

0:38:110:38:18

20s, routinely older men in

positions of power would hit on he.

0:38:180:38:24

It happens to all the women I know.

Why should young women have to be in

0:38:240:38:28

that situation. If we have go over

board in one area where men don't

0:38:280:38:33

feel they can put XX on an e-mail,

maybe that is no bad thing.

I'm in

0:38:330:38:39

my 40s, they don't hit on me any

more either. Right.

0:38:390:38:47

Donald Trump's supporters give

the President a lot of latitude.

0:38:470:38:49

But one area they are very wedded

too is clamping down

0:38:490:38:52

on illegal immigration.

0:38:520:38:53

So when Mr Trump yesterday suggested

he would support giving illegal

0:38:530:38:56

immigrants a path to US citizenship

- there were cries of

0:38:560:38:58

outrage from his base.

0:38:580:38:59

One ardent conservative supporter

tweeted that Mr Trump would lose

0:38:590:39:02

a lot of support if he went ahead

with a more liberal

0:39:020:39:05

approach to immigration.

0:39:050:39:06

The issue is pressing

because the President is trying

0:39:060:39:10

to do a deal with Democrats

on children brought here

0:39:100:39:12

illegally by their parents -

the programme known as DACA.

0:39:120:39:15

Let's speak to Alan Gomez -

an Immigration reporter for USA

0:39:150:39:17

Today and joins us from Miami.

0:39:170:39:22

You listened to the president's

comments with those democrats and

0:39:220:39:26

Republicans yesterday, where does

the president stand on immigration?

0:39:260:39:32

That is a good question. If

everything we heard from the meeting

0:39:320:39:36

yesterday, he seemed very open to

providing a path to legalisation for

0:39:360:39:44

these 800,000 young undocumented

immigrants, referred to as Dreamers,

0:39:440:39:49

he said he is open to providing a

path to legalisation for all 12

0:39:490:39:55

million undocumented immigrants. But

the president has gone in a few

0:39:550:39:59

different directions when talking

about immigration throughout the

0:39:590:40:02

campaign he got very hardline and

promised there would be no amnesty

0:40:020:40:05

and they would have go back home.

But once he came into office he did

0:40:050:40:12

eliminate the programme that

protects those people but urged

0:40:120:40:15

congress to pass a solution to give

them a perm Nantes home in the

0:40:150:40:19

United States -- permanent home in

the United States and he was open to

0:40:190:40:24

a more broad legalisation. He was

leaving the details to congress.

It

0:40:240:40:28

is interesting, I covered the

election as I travelled around,

0:40:280:40:31

there were some issues that

supporters of Donald Trump kept

0:40:310:40:35

coming back to and immigration is

one. I think that many of Trump's

0:40:350:40:40

supporters may accept there has to

be something done about these young

0:40:400:40:43

people brought to America by their

parents illegally. I don't think

0:40:430:40:47

they would accept a comprehensive

reform to give 12 people here a pass

0:40:470:40:53

to citizenship. I don't see that

flying with his base, do you?

I

0:40:530:40:58

think you're assessment is perfect.

These 800,000 young people are a

0:40:580:41:03

different group. Even

anti-immigration groups, some of the

0:41:030:41:07

groups who have long fought for

anything they describe as amnesty

0:41:070:41:11

have said they're different and they

didn't make the decision to come to

0:41:110:41:15

the United States and they have been

educated here and assimilated to the

0:41:150:41:19

country. A lot don't even speak

Spanish. And they make the argue m

0:41:190:41:26

that we will make exception in one

case in exchange for more border

0:41:260:41:33

security and more interior

enforcement. But if he talks about a

0:41:330:41:37

path to citizen ship for 11

undocumented immigrants, that will

0:41:370:41:41

be different and his base would blow

up and say he lied on the campaign

0:41:410:41:45

and is going back on one of his

central promises.

Big thing left

0:41:450:41:51

nowhere despite is in 50 minute

round table, whether you do

0:41:510:41:58

something on it. Here is the moment

it was suggested they could do DACA

0:41:580:42:03

in isolation.

What about a clean

DACA bill with a commitment we go

0:42:030:42:11

into a comprehensive immigration

reform like we did back when Kennedy

0:42:110:42:16

was here.

I think that is what Dick

is saying we will do DACA and then

0:42:160:42:23

start on phase two. That would be

would be comprehensive. A loft o'

0:42:230:42:31

people would like to see that.

You

need to be clear. What the Senator

0:42:310:42:42

is asking, you have to be security.

I think that what is you said.

I

0:42:420:42:46

think you said something different.

The transcript of that didn't appear

0:42:460:42:52

in the official transcript. Here the

tweet that Donald Trump sent out

0:42:520:42:56

after:

0:42:560:42:58

Are the Republicans going to let him

get away with doing DACA without

0:43:030:43:09

putting the sprinkles on the top?

No

the congress would not go along with

0:43:090:43:15

a bill that only allows legalisation

of the dreamers. It is what you get

0:43:150:43:22

in return. That is what they will be

negotiating, as we approach the

0:43:220:43:32

deadline for DACA ending. At first

the White House put a list of thing

0:43:320:43:37

they need, the worder wall and more

agents and an end to chain migration

0:43:370:43:42

and the end of the visa lottery and

crackdown on sanctuary cities. And

0:43:420:43:47

at the end of the meeting yesterday

after they closed the doors and the

0:43:470:43:51

press was kicked out, they did zero

in on a few points, DACA in exchange

0:43:510:43:59

or the end of visa lottery. But what

border security means, that is what

0:43:590:44:04

we are all going to be looking for

and what will determine whether

0:44:040:44:07

Democrats go along and President

Trump ends up signing the bill.

0:44:070:44:11

Thank you very much. From a very

sunny Miami. I like you had the two

0:44:110:44:23

elder guys explaining to the female

Senator what she was saying!

0:44:230:44:30

Donald Trump's first year

in the White House has been followed

0:44:300:44:33

closely around the world.

0:44:330:44:34

We asked people on the streets

of seven cities around the world

0:44:340:44:37

what they made of the President

so far.

0:44:370:44:38

He is a good leader.

He don't

represent ladies or anybody.

0:45:060:45:12

He is good at distracting people.

He

has started straight.

All his deeds

0:45:140:45:21

are negative and reflecting bad

images. For the Americans

0:45:210:45:24

themselves.

He is a man of his

words.

0:45:240:45:29

I think he is very good.

0:45:330:45:36

He backed out of Paris treaty.

The

policy against Paris agreement one

0:45:390:45:45

of worst decisions of the year.

0:45:450:45:48

In the start when he was the

president for the United States, he

0:45:490:45:54

was talking about to make the peace

in the Middle East.

He has

0:45:540:46:00

recognised Jerusalem as our natural

capital.

Recognises Jerusalem as the

0:46:000:46:06

capital of Israel was his worst

decision ever.

Jews are trying to

0:46:060:46:14

get into America and it is more

difficult now.

The immigration

0:46:140:46:18

attitude he has towards foreigners

can be negative in the future.

0:46:180:46:25

They voted for him, they get what

they asked for.

0:46:390:46:43

Donald Trump one year on, the global

view. This is beyond 100 days.

0:46:500:47:05

Still to come - glass

ceilings exist, even

0:47:050:47:06

for former prime ministers -

we speak to New Zealand's Helen

0:47:060:47:09

Clark about her time at the UN,

and her global fight

0:47:090:47:12

against drug abuse.

0:47:120:47:13

The trial of the former football

coach Barry Bennell on charges

0:47:130:47:15

of child sexual offences has heard

from an alleged victim.

0:47:150:47:20

Barry Bennell, who's now known

as Richard Jones, denies 48 charges

0:47:200:47:23

of child sexual abuse.

0:47:230:47:24

Dan Roan reports.

0:47:240:47:25

Back in the 1980s, Barry Bennell

worked with some of the most

0:47:250:47:29

promising young footballers

in the north-west of England.

0:47:290:47:30

Youth team coach at Crewe Alexandra.

0:47:300:47:32

He also had links

with Manchester City.

0:47:320:47:39

Liverpool Crown Court was told

the 64-year-old, who now causes of

0:47:390:47:42

Richard Jones, exploited

young boys dreams of

0:47:420:47:44

becoming footballers

in

0:47:440:47:45

order to sexually abuse them.

0:47:450:47:46

With Bennell watching

on via video link,

0:47:460:47:55

the jury was shown footage of

the first complainant's interview.

0:47:550:47:57

He first met him when

he came as a scout for

0:47:570:48:00

Manchester City.

0:48:000:48:01

The alleged victim said

he was abused up to 100 times

0:48:010:48:03

along with other boys

by Bennell at his home

0:48:030:48:05

and in a shop he owned

in

0:48:050:48:07

Derbyshire village.

0:48:070:48:10

He had up to three boys

share a bed with him.

0:48:100:48:13

The said none dare

speak out for fear of

0:48:130:48:15

jeopardising their

football prospects.

0:48:150:48:15

The court was shown

a recording of this BBC

0:48:220:48:27

programme from November 2016

featuring other alleged victims

0:48:270:48:29

which the complainant said left him

in complete meltdown, prompting him

0:48:290:48:32

to contact police

for the first time.

0:48:320:48:37

Appearing behind a screen in court

he was cross examined by the

0:48:370:48:40

defence, and asked if his complaint

was financially motivated.

0:48:400:48:43

I am not in it for

the money, he said.

0:48:430:48:47

The court was read transcripts from

Bennell's interview with the police.

0:48:470:48:49

He said he has had no

sexual contact with him

0:48:490:48:53

and remembered thinking

he

0:48:530:48:59

was the one that got away with it

he was not one of my victims.

0:48:590:49:03

It is impossible.

0:49:030:49:04

The trial continues.

0:49:040:49:11

You're watching

Beyond One Hundred Days -

0:49:210:49:23

every 25 minutes here in America,

a baby is born addicted to opioids.

0:49:230:49:26

The scale of both use and abuse

of the drugs in the United States

0:49:260:49:29

is hard to overstate.

0:49:290:49:31

The UK too has an increasingly

urgent problem with drug overdoses

0:49:310:49:33

hitting record levels in England

and Wales, last year.

0:49:330:49:36

And so it was with the scale

of the global crisis in mind,

0:49:360:49:39

that our next guest took

up her new post as Commissioner

0:49:390:49:42

with the Global Commission

on Drug Policy.

0:49:420:49:48

Helen Clark has also served

as the Prime Minister of New Zealand

0:49:480:49:51

and as the head of the UN's

Development Programme.

0:49:510:49:53

And she joins us in the studio now.

0:49:530:49:55

I want to talk about your old job in

development. Development funding is

0:49:550:50:02

not very trendy now, there are

governments slashing budgets, what

0:50:020:50:08

effect does that have?

It has a big

effect. Particularly on the poor but

0:50:080:50:13

stable countries, but not only has

the amount of the development

0:50:130:50:19

assistance plateaued give or take,

but much more of it is going into

0:50:190:50:25

the crisis end, the people fleeing

conflict and subject to horrific

0:50:250:50:30

disaster. The amount that is there

for the poor but stable who need the

0:50:300:50:34

hand up is not as good.

So much

conflict around the world at the

0:50:340:50:38

moment, I was watching a densely

detailed documentary on the BBC the

0:50:380:50:43

House of Saud that talked of the

funding for arms and the amount that

0:50:430:50:50

is poured in, millions by the House

of Saud. Imagine if just a fraction

0:50:500:50:55

of that had gone to development.

Oh

sure, if we could take what was

0:50:550:51:01

spent on militaries and put it into

peaceful development, the world

0:51:010:51:06

would be a transformed and more

peaceful place.

Would it be

0:51:060:51:10

transformed in the sense when you

have gulfs between various

0:51:100:51:14

countries, between Europe and the

west and Africa, you pay in the long

0:51:140:51:19

run, because you get such huge

population movements?

Yes if you

0:51:190:51:23

look at the movement out of sub-Saha

ran Africa, that comes from the

0:51:230:51:34

economic problems. These people are

young guys who want to work.

To stop

0:51:340:51:41

that, Europe and America should

change its attitude to Africa and

0:51:410:51:44

get money in there to stop the flow?

Absolutely it is about a Marshall

0:51:440:51:50

plan for Africa, that wants

investment and opportunities to

0:51:500:51:53

employ its people. With that you

would pretty much curb the flow. As

0:51:530:51:59

long as there isn't opportunity,

people will seek it where it is.

0:51:590:52:03

That is the history of people. My

forebearers came from this set of

0:52:030:52:10

islands.

Not very trendy in America

either.

No, let me talk about you

0:52:100:52:17

new job as hold of the global

commission on drugs policy, the

0:52:170:52:21

United States is in the grip of an

opioid epidemic. You have advocated

0:52:210:52:29

decriminalising, but a lot of the

people who get hooked on opioids in

0:52:290:52:38

the United States do so legally on

pain killers. What do you do about

0:52:380:52:43

that.

I'm one of a range of

commissioners, there is about 25 of

0:52:430:52:49

us and lot are former heads of

governments and I'm aware of the

0:52:490:52:57

seriousness of the opioid crisis and

it needs a wide range of responses.

0:52:570:53:02

It needs substitution therapy as an

option. In the United Kingdom itself

0:53:020:53:06

there is a spike in deaths as well

and there needs to be more harm

0:53:060:53:10

reduction measures put in place. But

the general position of commission

0:53:100:53:15

which I've just joined but has been

going for seven or eight years, that

0:53:150:53:18

you need to move to a form of legal

regulation. Because prohibition is a

0:53:180:53:24

criminal's dream and raises the

price and puts more people in

0:53:240:53:27

danger.

Do you think that drug

companies in the United States are

0:53:270:53:33

complicit in this opioid crisis the

country is having, because they have

0:53:330:53:38

pushed pain killers on to patients?

I understand there has been

0:53:380:53:45

incentives to doctors to prescribe

these drugs more than best practice

0:53:450:53:50

would suggest. But it is also true

that a large amount of the problem

0:53:500:53:56

comes not from those who have

received the legal prescription, but

0:53:560:54:01

from the diversion of the drugs

prescribed into other hands. And

0:54:010:54:07

there is rather loose regulation I

think in the United States which has

0:54:070:54:11

opened up this area of problem.

Thank you very much for joining us.

0:54:110:54:17

We are going to have more of this

problem, opioid addiction is huge in

0:54:170:54:24

the United States. Communities have

been decimated by these pills.

0:54:240:54:31

Something more cheerful.

0:54:310:54:34

Now, a remarkable tail

of a woman and a whale.

0:54:340:54:37

Marine biologist Nan Hauser

says a humpback whale

0:54:370:54:39

protected her from a tiger shark

during a research expedition

0:54:390:54:41

in the Cook Islands.

0:54:410:54:42

She says the humpback

tucked her under its pectoral fin

0:54:420:54:45

to keep her from harm.

0:54:450:54:46

Here's Nan now describing

what happened.

0:54:460:54:48

There's a great big

tiger shark over there.

0:54:480:54:50

Oh.

0:54:500:54:52

I was in the water and he approached

me and he didn't stop.

0:54:520:54:59

And he put me on his head.

0:54:590:55:03

I kept trying to get away

but for ten and a half minutes,

0:55:030:55:09

he was tucking me under his pectoral

fins and lifting me up out

0:55:090:55:12

of the water and just rolling around

with me on his body.

0:55:120:55:16

I saw a whale in the distance

that kept tail slapping

0:55:160:55:19

but I still never put it together

that there was a shark right there.

0:55:190:55:22

Humpbacks are altruistic.

0:55:220:55:24

They have this incredible

behaviour where they will

0:55:240:55:27

rush into a situation

and save another species.

0:55:270:55:32

I'm probably the first human

on record that they've saved.

0:55:320:55:35

Um, man, the whale.

0:55:350:55:38

Literally there.

0:55:380:55:42

Thank you.

0:55:420:55:43

I love you too.

0:55:430:55:44

I love you too, I do.

0:55:440:55:46

I love you.

0:55:460:55:53

Isn't that amazing?

I would carry to

save your life.

Would you you? It is

0:55:530:56:01

like snail and the whale that I read

to my son. He loves that book. The

0:56:010:56:05

sense that he is carrying her to

safety. We like that story a lot.

0:56:050:56:09

Yeah.

Coming up next...

Humpback

whale altruism.

Next on the BBC

0:56:090:56:21

outside source. Now we will see you

same time tomorrow. Thanks for

0:56:210:56:24

watching. Goodbye.

0:56:240:56:26