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Beyond One Hundred Days.

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Nearly seven years after the war

in Syria began there is no

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end to the bloodshed.

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A new offensive close

to Damascus is driving

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the death toll even higher -

with hundreds of thousands now

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trapped in eastern Ghouta.

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More than 200 have

been killed in just

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three days of fighting.

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UNICEF says it no longer has

the words to describe the suffering

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of Syria's children.

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New developments in the Trump

Russia investigation,

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the 19th person to be charged

is a London based lawyer.

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Also on the programme.

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Populism in Europe.

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Another test for the established

order as voters in Italy

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prepare to go to the polls.

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And Colonel Sanders'

secret recipe for...

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disaster.

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The KFC shops without chicken.

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Hundreds of fast food stores

remain closed in the UK.

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Get in touch with us

using the hashtag...

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'Beyond-One-Hundred-Days'.

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Hello and welcome -

I'm Christian Fraser in London

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and Jon Sopel is in Washington.

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Seven years into the Syrian civil

war the battlefield grows

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ever more complicated.

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Turkey has made incursions

in the north, Russia and Iran

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are fighting with the regime,

and the US has sided with Kurdish

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militias that helped

to defeat Islamic State.

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The rebel territory that once

spanned the country has now shrunk

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to small pockets in the north-west,

the south, and the eastern Ghouta

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region just oustide Damascus.

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This week over 200 people have been

killed in Eastern Ghouta,

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its the deadliest period of fighting

in Syria in three years.

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Today the United Nations called

for an immediate ceasefire.

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Our Middle East Editor

Jeremy Bowen reports.

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This could be the beginning

of the end of a rebellion

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in Eastern Ghouta that

began in 2012.

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All the other smaller rebel-held

enclaves around Damascus have been

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starved and bombed into submission.

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EXPLOSION.

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Now, it looks to be

Eastern Ghouta's turn as the regime

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pushes for decisive victory

around the capital.

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All the other smaller rebel-held

enclaves around Damascus have been

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starved and bombed into submission.

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EXPLOSION.

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Now, it looks to be

Eastern Ghouta's turn as the regime

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pushes for decisive victory

around the capital.

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Activists say this is

as bad as it's been.

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We can hear the shout and crying

of women and children

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through the windows of their homes

under the missiles and mortars

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dropping on us like rain.

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There is nowhere to hide from this

nightmare in Eastern Ghouta.

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A generation has been

born into the war.

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Dozens have been killed

by it in the last few

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hours in Eastern Ghouta.

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Over the years of siege,

they've set up a network

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of underground hospitals.

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This girl, named in Arabic,

Angel, escaped the worst,

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but will have to go back

to the streets to get home.

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In

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In

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And this is her area.

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With the regime

dropping what appears

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to be a barrel bomb,

unguided - an indiscriminate killer.

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The Syrian regime denies

attacking civilians.

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It says it's trying to liberate

Eastern Ghouta from terrorists.

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Eastern Ghouta is a sprawling mix

of concrete suburbs and farmland,

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starting about nine miles east

of Damascus' city centre.

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The Syrian rebels that have

controlled it since 2012 include

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several Islamist militias,

including one with its

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roots in Al-Qaeda.

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Eastern Ghouta is surrounded

by Syrian government forces.

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Before the war, it was just a short

drive from the Syrian

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presidential palace.

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Officially, it's been designated

a de-escalation zone,

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that is an empty phrase.

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Force decides what happens in Syria.

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After seven years, Syria's war isn't

ending, but it's changing.

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President Assad, with the help

of Russia and Iran, is now secure,

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but Syria is linked into a web

of war and power politics,

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which guarantees more bloodshed.

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How many times in the last seven

years have Syrians dug

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through the rubble for survivors?

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There's talk of safe

corridors out for civilians,

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but based on past form,

the regime wants victory

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in Eastern Ghouta and

the surrender of the rebels.

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Jeremy Bowen, BBC News.

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and war which is threatened to go

out and clear the forces.

Why has

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that such dangerous implications?

Can return to the northern border

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which is under the control of the

Kurdish militia.

Yes, this is the

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third area along the border

controlled by the militia. The Turks

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essentially have had enough. They

launched an incursion as you do go

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towards the east to drive militias

away from that area. A couple of

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weeks ago they launched another

incursion to drive the Kurdish

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forces out of this area entirely.

They have not made a huge amount of

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progress so far. They have not

reached the main town of the area,

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but Turkish government is saying

that is there even, they would take

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that time. Today we saw a new

development. It was broadcast on

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Syrian state media that the Syrian

military would get involved. Not the

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regular army but the militia which

has been doing much of the fighting

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on behalf of Syria. They went into

the region. The Turks say they were

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heading towards the main city and

got close and then shelled them. I

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think the idea was not to kill them

but to warn them off.

We are

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concerned because generally speaking

these big powers now in Syria

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filling the holes are still there.

If we look at the map, we're in a

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third stage of the war, rebels have

been defeated, so-called Islamic

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state has gone and we have the major

powers, America, Turkey and Russia

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and Iran in the mix, weird is from

here?

This is the fear that these

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powers using proxy forces, either in

support of the rebels or in support

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of the rebels, both of those battles

are almost over so they are facing

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up against each other. This

particular conflict pits the Turks

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against the hated states, so two

Nato allies. The US have to make a

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decision. -- the United States.

Essentially, if they become too much

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trouble, will be quietly let them

go?

That begs the question, what is

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the US strategy in Syria? Originally

it was just to defeat IS but what is

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it now?

It has moved on. Originally

it was to make sure that the

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coalition defeats IS and that has

happened but the US is saying that

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even though they have been defeated

territorially, IS could still come

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back so US troops need to be there

to make sure that does not happen

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but you have the Russians and the

Iranians who backed President Assad.

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They are saying we came at the

invitation of the sovereign

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government, you did not. You have no

reason to be here any more. The US

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government does not really have a

strong chance to that statement.

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Thank you. No sign at the moment of

any solutions.

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Special counsel Robert

Mueller has unveiled

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new charges in the Russia probe.

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Alex Van Der Zwaan is accused

of making false statements

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and misleading investigators -

regarding his communications

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with Rick Gates, a partner of former

Trump campaign manager

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Paul Manafort, who has also been

charged in the probe.

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On Friday Mueller

indicted 13 Russians.

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President Trump has been tweeting

about the investigation ever since.

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Among today's numerous entries

was this one: (TWEET) I have been

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much tougher on Russia than Obama,

just look at the facts.

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Total Fake News!

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For more on the investigation

and the president's response

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we are joined by David Frum -

former speechwriter for George W

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bush and author of Trumpocracy.

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On that last tweet, is it true

Donald Trump has been tougher on the

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Russians?

It could not be a more

extreme version of the truth.

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President Trump thinks no one can

remember more than 12 hours in the

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past but throughout the election of

2016, President Trump implored

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Russian help and benefited from it.

His campaign delivered on a series

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of leaks, including the sanctions

that Congress almost passed for

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helping Trump which have not been

implemented.

The tendency is to

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focus on the personality of Donald

Trump but your book says focus on

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what is happening. You argue there

are constitutional scenes which are

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starting to split?

Exactly. United

States is a big bureaucratic state,

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one person can only do so much on

its own. Donald Trump is at the

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centre of the system which failed to

stop and no enables them. There is

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hope that a lot of institutions will

check him but it is just a fancy way

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of seeing acting together and it

does not happen automatically.

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Remember the question about how many

people does it take in Poland,

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Romania or Albania to screw in a

light bulb? That is just like the

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question about institutions.

Regarding the Russian investigation,

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a lot of people are saying that

Russians have infected the American

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political system but perhaps the

disease was already there and the

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Russians have exacerbated the

problems?

That is also true. We talk

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about pre-existing conditions which

enabled Donald Trump. American

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democracy has been going wrong for

some time. Democracy has gone wrong

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around the world. We're in

democratic recession. If you ask

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people, is it indispensable to live

in a democratic state? People in the

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1930s, 90% say yes. Let's say yes

after that. -- less safe. Characters

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like Donald Trump and Marine Le Pen

are taking advantage of decay in

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democracy.

The title of your book is

Trumpocracy, is it possible to have

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a Trumpocracy and a liberal

democracy?

We are going to have

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issues. Democracy is a system of

power that does not accept a lot of

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restraints. It also challenges the

idea of universal voting. One thing

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which has happened in United States

is that the Republican parties of

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which I am a member, has signed up a

radical agenda which does not meet

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the popular task. This means it will

be increasingly difficult for people

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to vote, in ways that gradually

shrink who the electorate is.

Thank

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you so much for being with us. A

great pleasure to have you.

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It's not just the United

States where the Trump

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name is making waves.

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India has been hosting the eldest

son of the President -

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Donald Trump Jr -

who is on a promotional tour

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to sell Trump-branded flats

to wealthy Indian customers.

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But his visit is also raising

questions about the Trump

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family's business interests,

and the lines between personal

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profit and politics.

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As Rajini Vaidyanathan

reports from New Delhi.

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Trump has arrived, have you?

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That's what these front page ads

across a number of national

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newspapers are asking

as they promote Donald Trump Jr's

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visit to India this week.

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India is an incredibly important

market to our brand.

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It is now home to the largest

portfolio of Trump properties

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outside of North America.

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The President's son is here to sell

some of the Trump Corporation's

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apartments in India,

including a number of flats

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which will be built here,

which is a suburb of Delhi,

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about an hour from the city.

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When they are finished they will be

a 47 storey high luxury

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luxury apartment building.

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With a price tag of over $1 million.

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They can be seen from everywhere.

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Anyone who pays a deposit for a flat

this week also gets an invite

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to dinner and a conversation

with the man himself.

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There are concerns that

even if he's not a politician,

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this amounts to selling access

to the President's son,

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that said, the buzz

around this visit is

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attracting potential buyers.

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This is a criminal lawyer

who is considering a purchase.

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Because of its brand

value, we were more

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attracted to this project.

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That is correct.

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Do you like the Trump family?

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Of course, in India,

the majority of people

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like the Trump family.

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What do you like about them?

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The way they carry themselves.

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It is the way they

project themselves.

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This project is going to be

a masterpiece, not just for the city

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but also for the Trump portfolio.

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We do not know what is on the menu

for Friday's dinner but Indian media

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is reporting that Donald Jr has

a particular liking for Dal makhani

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and chicken tikka masala.

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On Friday he will be delivering

a speech on Indo Pacific

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relations at a conference

where the Indian Prime Minister

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will also be speaking.

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That has raised some questions,

why is Donald Jr, a nonpolitical

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member of the family and not part

of the administration,

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delivering what appears to be

a foreign policy speech

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when he is here in

India to sell flats?

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Our reporter is spending a bit of

time delay. It is so fascinating.

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Ethically, how do you separate

everything, business from

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government? There are no

hermetically sealed boxes where you

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can do this because it is a family

business and it is a brand with the

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name Trump.

I remember the first day

of becoming president and he stood

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in front of the table with all these

files of his businesses and he said,

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I am putting these all to one side

when I am president, they will be

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assigned to the family but perhaps

that is no dividing line between the

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president and the family.

If you add

a diplomat coming to Washington,

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which hotel will you stay in? At the

Marriott, Hilton or Trump Tower?

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Complicated.

Anyway, let us move on.

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The Environment Secretary,

Michael Gove, has signalled

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the government will support moves

to ensure a special deal for EU farm

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workers after Brexit.

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Speaking at the National

Farmers Union conference

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in Birmingham he outlined his plans

to replace the present

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system of subsidies -

with funding for issues such

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as conservation and animal welfare.

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At present - payments amounting

to £3bn a year to UK farmers

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are based on the amount of land

that they own.

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Campaigners say the government

should criminalise

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"upskirting" as a sexual offence

after police data showed one

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complainant was 10 years old.

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The practice of covertly

photographing under the skirts

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of women is currently not recognised

as a specific offence.

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Figures released following a Freedom

of Information have found there have

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been just 11 charges related

to upskirting since 2015.

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Another athlete from

the Winter Olympics

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in South Korea has been

banned for doping.

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29-year-old

Slovenian men's ice hockey player,

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Ziga Jeglic has tested positive

for the asthma drug, fenoterol.

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Jeglic scored the shoot-out winner

against Slovakia at the weekend.

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He's been ordered to leave

the Olympic Village within the next

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24 hours and reportedly accepted

an anti-doping rule violation.

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There is always an air of chaos

about Italian politics.

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There have been more than 60

different heads of government

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since the Second World War.

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And the election in two weeks time

will be no different.

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The electoral rules will prevent any

one party from taking power.

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So, whatever happens on March 4th,

there will be a period

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of coalition building,

which as we have seen in Germany

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is never straight forward.

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So here's a quick explainer.

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The populist Five Star movement

is leading in virtually

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every poll and looks set to gain

the largest number of seats

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in the lower house,

the chamber of deputies.

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The ruling centre

left Democratic Party

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is trailing in second place.

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And even with the support of two

smaller centre left allies

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"More Europe" and "Together" looks

to be short of the votes it needs.

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Then, there is Forza Italia,

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the centre right party of Silvio

Berlusconi.

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He is banned from holding office

but he remains the leader

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of his party and a powerful figure

in Italian politics.

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With the support of the smaller

populist parties on the right,

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Lega Nord, the Brothers of Italy

and Us with Italy, they could end up

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with the biggest share of the vote,

BUT without a parliamentary

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majority.

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MARCHELLO SORJEE is

Political Editor with

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the La Stampa and joins me.

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Good evening.

5-star movement,

promised to take on the endemic

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corruption in Italian politics and

now finds itself embroiled in its

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own scandal, tell us about that.

According to the polls, the 5-star

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movement continues to be the first

party for votes. I think the

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electors say that the scandal

regarded 1.5 million euros. But 21

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million have been returned. Sue the

electors see 5-star is essentially

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an anti-corruption party and to

maintain the integrity of MPs

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against the MPs they see are totally

dishonest. It is important the

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scandal because in the south of

Italy, the competition is between

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the 5-star movement and

centre-right. This could affect the

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way people vote. The shape of

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constituencies could change the

results of the election.

We have

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seen in France and Holland the

populist parties have been seen off

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but, it shows people how it works,

the 5-star moment might not have

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enough votes. Might not other

parties on the right to form a

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majority?

At the moment, the 5-star

moment -- movement is rejecting any

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alliance. It is really difficult

that one single party could win the

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election. Because the vote is to

thirst proportional and one third

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single. So to win elections, a party

or coalition needs 40% of the votes

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and 70% in the constituencies. It is

impossible to take 70% of the seats

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in the constituencies. If the 5-star

movement changes its plan after the

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vote and for example, goes to an

alliance with leg, probably they

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would go to a new government.

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If the 5-star movement becomes the

biggest party in the Parliament,

0:21:590:22:03

what does that mean for the European

Parliament -- for the EU because

0:22:030:22:07

they are not pro-European?

I think

the Italian elections have always

0:22:070:22:16

been important. We cannot forget in

Italy there was the most important

0:22:160:22:21

Communist Party. I think this time

the Italian elections are important

0:22:210:22:28

to Europe because they are similar

to France, Germany and UK elections.

0:22:280:22:36

In the era of populism and

uncontrolled migration from Africa,

0:22:360:22:42

the Italian election is important.

Thank you very much for coming in

0:22:420:22:47

and we will hear from you a lot more

in the run-up to the election.

0:22:470:22:53

Right, forget Brexit,

the biggest crisis facing the UK,

0:22:530:22:55

right now, is the chicken

shortage at KFC.

0:22:550:22:57

Branches around the UK have remained

closed today much to the frustration

0:22:570:23:00

of regular customers.

0:23:000:23:01

Sima Kotecha has been

on a chicken hunt in Birmingham.

0:23:010:23:04

For chicken lovers and fast-food

fans it is another day of sadness.

0:23:040:23:07

Hundreds of KFC stores

closed across the country

0:23:070:23:13

because of a shortage of Britain's

most popular bird meat.

0:23:130:23:23

Absolutely unbelievable, how could

you run out of chicken in a KFC?.

0:23:230:23:30

of chicken in a KFC?.

0:23:300:23:31

This KFC in the centre of Birmingham

is open but it has a limited menu.

0:23:310:23:34

It serves only chicken popcorn.

0:23:350:23:36

The chain says almost 600

remain closed around

0:23:360:23:38

the country and it is not clear

when they will be back open.

0:23:380:23:41

KFC says it has happened because it

has changed distributors.

0:23:410:23:44

It used to use South African owned

company Bidvest to transport

0:23:440:23:47

chicken but recently changed to DHL,

and that is why they say they have

0:23:470:23:50

had some teething problems.

0:23:500:23:51

We saw this coming weeks ago,

people last week were earning money,

0:23:510:23:54

working on a good product,

providing good customer service

0:23:540:23:56

and today they will struggle

to put food on the table.

0:23:560:24:01

Then looking at the people working

in the 900 KFC stores,

0:24:010:24:03

they have been sent home

with no pay.

0:24:030:24:07

DHL says due to operational reasons

a number of deliveries in recent

0:24:070:24:10

days have been incomplete.

0:24:100:24:15

They moved what looked

like a relatively uncomplicated

0:24:150:24:17

supply chain to a more complicated

one and they do not seem to have

0:24:170:24:20

pressure tested it at all.

0:24:200:24:22

For any organisation to do that

seems bizarre at best.

0:24:220:24:25

Customers have complained

and social media.

0:24:250:24:30

The chain says some staff

will still be paid but many

0:24:300:24:32

of its outlets are franchises,

so it is likely they

0:24:320:24:35

will make losses.

0:24:350:24:42

Fried chicken is not everybody's

favoured but for those who love it,

0:24:420:24:45

patience is wearing thin.

0:24:450:24:46

KFC says more deliveries

are being made each day but it

0:24:460:24:49

expects disruption at some

restaurants for

0:24:490:24:50

the rest of the week.

0:24:500:25:00

I guarantee she has never delivered

a piece to camera like that, there

0:25:010:25:07

is only popcorn at this restaurant.

Is this that happened when I was a

0:25:070:25:11

student, there would be hysteria at

our student -- student digs. If you

0:25:110:25:18

look at the KFC website, they have

drawn a useful map with all the

0:25:180:25:22

towns which have chicken and all

those which do not. So if you have

0:25:220:25:28

to sign a shop with chicken, you can

find on the map. They will send the

0:25:280:25:35

lorries round another time.

0:25:350:25:39

This is Beyond 100

Days from the BBC.

0:25:390:25:41

Coming up for viewers

on the BBC News Channel

0:25:410:25:43

and BBC World News -

We speak to a Florida high school

0:25:430:25:46

student preparing to march

for greater gun control in the wake

0:25:460:25:48

of last week's shooting.

0:25:480:25:49

And the underdog comes out on top -

0:25:490:25:54

shock as one of Europe's best

football teams is

0:25:540:25:56

bested in the FA Cup.

0:25:560:25:58

That's still to come.

0:25:580:26:06

That's still to come.

0:26:060:26:07

Hello there. Plenty of fair weather

on the way for the British Isles for

0:26:110:26:15

the next few days, even into next

week but it will be cold. Today we

0:26:150:26:22

had a weather front in the East,

bringing patchy outbreaks of rain

0:26:220:26:26

and drizzle and a little more of

that to come this evening and

0:26:260:26:31

overnight. Close will keep the

temperature is up. A few spots

0:26:310:26:36

reaching pleasing but further north

and west with clear skies we will

0:26:360:26:41

get overnight lows of minus two or

minus three. That weather front is a

0:26:410:26:47

short lived a feeling the East, high

pressure is eroding it over the next

0:26:470:26:53

24 hours. By Wednesday it will

practically have gone. High pressure

0:26:530:26:59

will dominate for the next ten days.

More on that in a moment. For

0:26:590:27:06

Wednesday, a largely fine day, still

from cloud left over from that

0:27:060:27:11

weather front. Perhaps the odd spot

of drizzle in the England and Wales

0:27:110:27:15

but most boys will get brightness. A

little colder than today with highs

0:27:150:27:22

of seven or eight degrees. Thursday,

high-pressure holes weather France

0:27:220:27:25

I'd be out in the Atlantic. Fine

weather. -- weather fronts. Just for

0:27:250:27:35

degrees in Norwich on Thursday. It

will feel colder. That wind will

0:27:350:27:42

come into play by the weekend and

next week, notice easterly winds

0:27:420:27:49

remaining strong for London and

Cardiff. A fine weekend to come far

0:27:490:27:57

as but the era coming our way comes

all the way from Siberia,

0:27:570:28:06

particularly cold at the moment,

that cold air are starting to push

0:28:060:28:10

across the British Isles come Monday

and Tuesday and we will feel it.

0:28:100:28:15

Next week a lot of fine weather and

decent sunshine with widespread

0:28:150:28:20

frost. That wind will be especially

raw.

0:28:200:28:32

This is Beyond One Hundred Days,

0:30:070:30:09

with me Christian Fraser in London -

Jon Sopel's in Washington.

0:30:090:30:13

Our top stories.

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0:30:200:30:26

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election campaign team and Russia.

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Coming up in the next half hour.

0:30:320:30:35

The UK Brexit Secretary

David Davis tells

0:30:350:30:37

business leaders in Vienna

that the UK doesn't want

0:30:370:30:39

to undermine its neighbours

when it leaves the EU.

0:30:390:30:43

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upset, beating top of the league,

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0:30:460:30:50

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'Beyond-One-Hundred-Days'

0:30:540:31:04

When senior figures in the British

government meet this

0:31:050:31:07

Thursday at the Prime Minister's

country residence, Chequers,

0:31:070:31:10

to discuss Brexit, they will be

taking part in one of the most

0:31:100:31:13

crucial discussions thus far.

0:31:130:31:14

At stake, the pivotal question:

what does the cabinet want

0:31:140:31:17

the future customs arrangements

with the EU to be?

0:31:170:31:22

Today in Vienna ahead

of that Thursday meeting,

0:31:220:31:25

the Brexit Secretary David Davis

said the UK wants "close,

0:31:250:31:27

even-handed co-operation" with EU

regulatory authorities,

0:31:270:31:31

even after it has

withdrawn from the bloc.

0:31:310:31:41

Brexit will inevitably mean a change

in the way companies do business.

0:31:430:31:47

Brexit will inevitably mean a change

in the way companies do business. It

0:31:470:31:48

has two before we are to make good

on the referendum result and Cava

0:31:480:31:52

power for Britain to strike at seven

trade deals, have its own

0:31:520:31:57

immigration policy and make our

Courts sovereign once more. My

0:31:570:32:01

message to you in this room is that

these goals will not change the kind

0:32:010:32:05

of country that Britain is. A

dynamic and open country. That

0:32:050:32:10

supports businesses to grow,

innovate, in a competitive, open and

0:32:100:32:17

fair market. One leading a race to

the top and global standards.

0:32:170:32:21

Trade as frictionless

as possible, is the phrase

0:32:210:32:23

ministers keep using.

0:32:230:32:24

But what kind of framework

would reassure investors.

0:32:240:32:26

Over the next month in the run up

to March 29th, by which point the UK

0:32:260:32:30

will have just one year left

until it leaves the EU,

0:32:300:32:33

we are going to talk

some of the country's

0:32:330:32:35

leading business brains.

0:32:350:32:36

And we are going to start today,

with Scotland's first

0:32:360:32:38

billionaire, the investor Sir Tom

Hunter.

0:32:380:32:42

The idea of making our own

decisions, getting rid

0:32:420:32:45

of bureaucracy in Brussels,

and getting on with it

0:32:450:32:48

would appeal to me.

0:32:480:32:51

But we are nearly two years down

the line from taking the vote

0:32:510:33:00

and things are not that much

clearer.

0:33:000:33:03

We still do not have the facts

of why this is good for Britain.

0:33:030:33:07

As a businessman do you think

that we should have some freedom

0:33:070:33:10

and pull away from the customs union

so we can do our own trade deals

0:33:100:33:14

with whoever we like,

and businessmen like that kind

0:33:140:33:16

of freedom, or do you think

we should tie ourselves

0:33:160:33:18

to our biggest market even if that

takes away some of that freedom?

0:33:180:33:23

As a businessman I want to do

the easiest way of doing business

0:33:230:33:28

with Europe and indeed the rest

of the world that there is.

0:33:280:33:31

No tariffs, no regulation,

as little periods to do

0:33:310:33:33

these deals as we can.

0:33:340:33:40

It just seems to me that there is no

clarity and the one thing businesses

0:33:400:33:44

hate is uncertainty.

0:33:440:33:50

So how does that affect West Coast

capital, your company?

0:33:500:33:52

You invest them in a broad portfolio

of companies in retail,

0:33:520:33:56

in property, technology,

do you look at certain sectors

0:33:560:34:01

of the British economy

and say that is high risk

0:34:010:34:03

because of all the uncertainties

there are, do you stay away

0:34:030:34:06

from those sectors and pick others?

0:34:060:34:08

We do invest in companies

who are doing business in Europe

0:34:080:34:11

but some of them are having to take

on extra overhead, building

0:34:110:34:19

a new logistics warehouse in Europe,

0:34:190:34:21

in the eventuality

of what may happen.

0:34:210:34:22

You are already seeing

that happening?

0:34:220:34:24

I'm already seeing that happening.

0:34:240:34:25

But frankly these companies

are having to guess,

0:34:250:34:28

having to second-guess

the politicians as to where

0:34:280:34:30

we're going to end up.

0:34:300:34:38

And I know that some of

the companies are not making these

0:34:380:34:41

investment decisions.

0:34:410:34:42

So some people are

just doing nothing.

0:34:420:34:43

But would you invest in them,

would Brexit stop you from investing

0:34:430:34:46

in British companies?

0:34:460:34:47

I do know of some companies

who are putting off

0:34:470:34:50

investment decisions today

because of the uncertainty.

0:34:500:34:55

I must ask you since you are one

of the billionaires in Scotland,

0:34:550:34:58

not the only any more,

I think there are now a couple.

0:34:580:35:01

There are plenty now.

0:35:010:35:04

OK so Nicola Sturgeon post Brexit,

argued that because Scotland had

0:35:040:35:06

voted to remain the question

of another independence referendum

0:35:060:35:09

was back on the table.

0:35:090:35:12

Can you make an argument

for Scotland going its

0:35:120:35:21

own way post Brexit?

0:35:210:35:22

My argument at the present time

is look at all the uncertainty that

0:35:220:35:25

voting to leave Europe has caused.

0:35:250:35:28

And try and put that

in the context of Scotland

0:35:280:35:31

trying to leave the union.

0:35:320:35:35

I think we would be in an unholy

mess if we did that today.

0:35:350:35:40

I'm not saying never.

0:35:400:35:42

I'm saying definitely not now.

0:35:420:35:45

So let me press you just to finish,

if you were sitting round the table

0:35:450:35:51

with a Board of Directors and had

to get a deal tomorrow on Brexit,

0:35:510:35:55

what would you be pushing for?

0:35:550:35:57

Well from a business point of view

I want to have friction free trade.

0:35:570:36:02

So I do not want regulation,

I do not want any tariffs,

0:36:020:36:05

I do not want any red tape.

0:36:050:36:09

So can Brexit deliver that

for British business?

0:36:090:36:15

And if a politician made

the argument which said

0:36:150:36:17

to me in the short-term,

up to three years, we may be worse

0:36:170:36:21

off but in the long-term,

over ten years, we will be better

0:36:210:36:24

off, that is an argument

that I would listen to.

0:36:240:36:27

But I have not heard that

articulated from any

0:36:270:36:29

politician as of yet.

0:36:290:36:38

So is there a model

which might satisfy Sir Tom

0:36:380:36:40

and investors like him?

0:36:400:36:42

Some senior figures

in the Conservative Party

0:36:420:36:45

are warming to a solution that's

been put forward by the UK's

0:36:450:36:47

Institute of Directors.

0:36:470:36:50

The IoD is advocating

leaving the customs union,

0:36:500:36:53

in line with the PM's

Lancaster House statement,

0:36:530:36:55

and the UK instead signing up

0:36:550:36:57

to a bespoke, partial

customs union with the EU.

0:36:570:37:01

The agreement would cover

industrial goods and some

0:37:010:37:03

processed agricultural goods,

which would remove they say any need

0:37:030:37:07

for technical information relating

to the ORIGIN of products.

0:37:070:37:11

That could be combined

with a free trade

0:37:110:37:13

agreement, which would allow trade

in certain goods to be

0:37:130:37:15

as frictionless as possible,

including with Ireland.

0:37:150:37:20

The author of the IoD

proposal is Allie Renson,

0:37:200:37:23

she joins us from our Dundee studio.

0:37:230:37:29

Great to have you with us. So not

the customs union, not a customs

0:37:290:37:36

union but a partial customs union.

Yes I think we need to separate out

0:37:360:37:41

what is inevitable. We are living

customs union, it is difficult to

0:37:410:37:44

see how the UK could stay part of

it. It is in the EU treaties. And

0:37:440:37:51

then it is difficult to make the

argument that we should be in a full

0:37:510:37:56

customs union and part of EU trade

agreements because they do not

0:37:560:37:59

negotiate trade agreements with

other people. So we need that

0:37:590:38:02

flexibility anyway and the question

is how you square that with trying

0:38:020:38:05

to avoid costly rules of origin

applying to manufacturing and

0:38:050:38:11

industrial goods. This is how we see

a way of squaring the circle to a

0:38:110:38:15

degree.

But isn't it is not without

friction but slightly less friction?

0:38:150:38:22

Well we are clear in the report it

does not remove all barriers to

0:38:220:38:25

trade with the EU and far from it.

You would have to look at the

0:38:250:38:30

regulatory relationship we have with

the single market once we are

0:38:300:38:33

outside it. There is a lot of

technical facilitating solutions we

0:38:330:38:37

need to be added on to make that

border in Ireland frictionless but

0:38:370:38:43

it removes a huge barrier to trade

for manufacturers concerned about

0:38:430:38:47

the supply chain being disrupted by

having rules of origin applied to

0:38:470:38:51

trade with the EU.

The Prime

Minister tells us not to look at

0:38:510:38:55

models that already exist but the

model you describe sounds pretty

0:38:550:38:58

similar to the Turkish model.

Structure in terms of what it covers

0:38:580:39:03

potentially is the same starting

point. The differences when some

0:39:030:39:07

people argue that without constraint

the EU would be hampered in finding

0:39:070:39:12

trade agreements with third

countries, Turkey has been somewhat

0:39:120:39:16

unable to do the same in terms of

getting reciprocal market access

0:39:160:39:20

every time the EU does a trade

agreement. But the EU and Turkey

0:39:200:39:24

have different starting positions

with respect to their global trade

0:39:240:39:28

ambitions. So I think this is a good

base on which to build and try to

0:39:280:39:32

fix some deficiencies that exist in

the Turkish model which actually are

0:39:320:39:37

already being addressed between

Turkey and the EU.

The Prime

0:39:370:39:40

Minister said -- says she will lock

them into Chequers until they come

0:39:400:39:46

up with a solution. Is this the

right balance then?

I think it is

0:39:460:39:50

part of the puzzle and important

bits of it. But the reason we were

0:39:500:39:55

keen to get the message out is to

say that being in a partial customs

0:39:550:39:59

union does not mean in any way that

you're constrained from negotiating

0:39:590:40:04

your own trade agreements. That is

an important message for certain

0:40:040:40:07

parts of government to realise.

I

can think of worse places to be

0:40:070:40:14

locked into them Chequers!

0:40:140:40:15

Right now busses loaded

with students from Parkland, Florida

0:40:150:40:18

are headed to the state's capital.

0:40:180:40:19

Less than a week after their high

school was the scene

0:40:190:40:22

of a mass shooting -

which left 17 people dead -

0:40:220:40:24

they are calling for change

in gun control laws.

0:40:240:40:27

Tomorrow they will be

marching and meeting

0:40:270:40:29

with legislators in Tallahassee.

0:40:290:40:34

Giuliana Matamoros is among those

making the trip and she spoke to me

0:40:340:40:37

right before she left.

0:40:370:40:42

Tell me what you're doing today, how

many people you are travelling with,

0:40:420:40:45

what your expectations are?

0:40:450:40:47

We are going to Tallahassee.

0:40:470:40:52

We're going to get there

around eight o'clock.

0:40:520:40:53

I'm going with about 100 kids.

0:40:540:40:57

And our expectations for tomorrow,

because that is when all

0:40:570:40:58

the meetings are, is to be able

to talk to these representatives,

0:40:580:41:02

people who have authority,

and for them to listen to us.

0:41:020:41:07

For them to consider

a change so nothing

0:41:070:41:09

like this can happen again.

0:41:090:41:10

We really want our

voices to be heard.

0:41:100:41:13

To have an opportunity to be able

to talk to them is amazing.

0:41:130:41:19

We are making history, we are doing

this for our angels that we gained.

0:41:190:41:28

And I'm so very proud of my school

that we're doing this.

0:41:280:41:31

I'm proud of my nation

for supporting us.

0:41:310:41:33

And are you going to the meetings

with a list of demands

0:41:330:41:35

about the changes you want to see

in the gun laws or are you just

0:41:350:41:39

going to say look guys,

you figure it out, there has

0:41:390:41:42

to be change?

0:41:420:41:48

No, we are going with proposals,

that is what we're going to discuss

0:41:480:41:51

during the bus ride there.

0:41:510:41:53

Since everyone is going to be

together, that is a chance

0:41:530:41:56

for all of us to talk and see

what we're going demand.

0:41:560:41:59

We're not just going there just

to talk, we're going there to talk

0:41:590:42:03

and for them to listen

and take action.

0:42:030:42:06

Do you think that there is something

in the atmosphere that has changed

0:42:060:42:10

which means that all these young

people coming together to talk

0:42:100:42:14

about the need for change

will actually lead to change

0:42:140:42:17

in the United States?

0:42:170:42:20

I think now it is different.

0:42:200:42:24

Because we have all this technology,

we have a bigger audience

0:42:240:42:27

we can reach out to.

0:42:270:42:32

I feel the atmosphere is just unity,

we do not want this to happen any

0:42:320:42:36

more, we're tired of hearing it

on the news.

0:42:360:42:40

We just want action,

we need it to happen.

0:42:400:42:42

3000 kids in one school,

that is a big family enough.

0:42:420:42:45

And having a lot of the nation

coming in and supporting us as well,

0:42:450:42:49

that is what is changing.

0:42:490:42:50

We are able to have that voice

and able to be heard.

0:42:500:42:54

Thank you very much

indeed for being with us.

0:42:540:43:03

And I will be in Tallahassee with

that demonstration tomorrow. And she

0:43:060:43:13

said they would discuss their policy

position on the bus. They're not a

0:43:130:43:16

conventional political force which

may be a bigger weakness but also

0:43:160:43:20

their strength. People are rallying

and thinking maybe they have a

0:43:200:43:25

message that we need to listen to.

I

saw a couple of drafts of bipartisan

0:43:250:43:31

proposals that have been put forward

and the Florida State house, their

0:43:310:43:36

statement goes much further with

proposals on semiautomatic weapons,

0:43:360:43:42

background checks, time-outs for

those who should not have guns. The

0:43:420:43:48

Congress version looks like just an

imposition of the law that is

0:43:480:43:51

already there.

I think there is a

change in the air. It may come to

0:43:510:43:54

nothing but these young people are

driving something at the moment and

0:43:540:43:57

it could lead to change, who knows.

0:43:570:44:00

Oxfam is at the centre of a storm

of allegations of abusive

0:44:000:44:03

behaviour and management cover up -

now the entire aid sector is under

0:44:030:44:06

scrutiny for safeguarding failures.

0:44:060:44:11

The charity says it's

investigating a further 26 cases

0:44:110:44:14

of alleged sexual misconduct of some

of its former staff in Haiti.

0:44:140:44:16

The BBC's Stephen Sackur has been

speaking to Amira Malik Miller-

0:44:160:44:20

an experienced aid worker

who witnessed misconduct

0:44:200:44:21

at first hand.

0:44:210:44:22

In 2004 while working

for an NGO in Liberia,

0:44:220:44:25

she blew the whistle on a senior

staff member who she witnessed

0:44:250:44:27

having a sexual relationship

with a young local woman.

0:44:270:44:29

The man and other senior managers

were subsequently dismissed.

0:44:290:44:39

At the weekend I went into the

kitchen, other people were around as

0:44:400:44:45

well but I went into the kitchen and

found one of the senior staff

0:44:450:44:51

members there with a quite young

Liberian girl. I do not know what

0:44:510:44:54

age she was, 16, 18. But what I saw

was something I was not comfortable

0:44:540:45:01

with and which I deem to be

inappropriate. I confronted that

0:45:010:45:05

person right there and then.

Sexually inappropriate? Yes. There

0:45:050:45:11

was a lot of touching and so on. I

certainly felt it was inappropriate

0:45:110:45:17

and went against our code of

conduct. That is why I confronted

0:45:170:45:21

that man straightaway and why I then

the following Monday morning went to

0:45:210:45:25

head office and said this has

happened, I'm not comfortable with

0:45:250:45:28

this I do not think it is according

to a code of conduct and someone.

0:45:280:45:32

And I would expect you to do

something.

0:45:320:45:35

Amira Malik Miller talking

to Stephen Sackur for BBC HardTalk.

0:45:350:45:37

And you can watch that

fascinating interview in full

0:45:370:45:42

here on BBC World News on Wednesday

at the times in GMT you can

0:45:420:45:45

see on your screen now.

0:45:450:45:48

The US and UK are in talks

about what to do with two men

0:45:480:45:52

from west London who were detained

in Syria last month on suspicion

0:45:520:45:55

of terrorist activity.

0:45:550:45:57

Allexanda Kotey

and El Shafee Elsheikh

0:45:570:46:00

are believed to be two members

of the Islamic State cell known

0:46:000:46:03

as 'the Beatles' that

killed Western hostages.

0:46:030:46:04

The BBC understands the pair have

been stripped of their UK

0:46:040:46:07

citizenship and the home secretary,

Amber Rudd says that

0:46:070:46:09

they should go on trial.

0:46:090:46:12

A court in Bangkok has

awarded a Japanese man full

0:46:120:46:14

paternity rights for thirteen babies

that he fathered through

0:46:140:46:16

commercial surrogacy.

0:46:160:46:19

Mitsutoki Shigeta became the focus

of the so-called 'baby

0:46:190:46:21

factory' scandal in 2014

when it was revealed that he had

0:46:210:46:24

fathered multiple infants

through Thai surrogates.

0:46:240:46:29

His case led to Thailand banning

commercial surrogacy for foreigners.

0:46:290:46:34

The rising tide of plastic

pollution in our oceans

0:46:340:46:36

is breaking international law,

according to a new report.

0:46:360:46:40

Campaigners say some

of the world's biggest polluters -

0:46:400:46:43

including China and India -

could be forced to pay compensation

0:46:430:46:46

to island nations whose

coastlines are being ruined.

0:46:460:46:56

Still to come a huge shot in the FA

Cup last night as we can celebrate

0:47:000:47:05

their win over Manchester City.

0:47:050:47:16

Sarah Lancashire reports now on free

school meals for some schools in

0:47:350:47:38

Scotland.

0:47:380:47:48

Yeah, there's all different

food you can get.

0:47:500:47:52

My favourite's chicken curry.

0:47:520:47:53

It's tomato pasta.

0:47:530:47:54

So this is your favourite

meal you've got today?

0:47:540:47:56

Yeah.

0:47:560:47:58

You get lettuce, and you have tomato

and you have all the pasta.

0:47:580:48:01

When I was at school,

school lunches were not something

0:48:010:48:03

you looked forward to,

but are they actually good here?

0:48:030:48:05

Yeah. Really good.

0:48:050:48:06

All the kids here do seem to

really enjoy their school meals,

0:48:060:48:09

and the teachers know that,

for some of them, it's the best meal

0:48:090:48:12

they're going to eat all day.

0:48:120:48:14

When the schools close,

quite a few of these kids

0:48:140:48:16

do, sadly, go hungry.

0:48:160:48:17

That's why North Lanarkshire Council

are to pilot a scheme providing free

0:48:170:48:20

lunches to kids who need them,

not just on school

0:48:200:48:23

days, but every day.

0:48:230:48:24

Every so often, you can spot

that someone's hungrier

0:48:240:48:26

than we would like them to be

after a weekend, or after a

0:48:260:48:29

holiday period in particular.

0:48:290:48:30

It can be individual children,

we know that food is an issue.

0:48:300:48:33

If you're hungry, you won't

learn and you won't achieve.

0:48:330:48:35

Other councils in the UK provide

meals during school holidays.

0:48:350:48:38

North Lanarkshire will be

the first to make free lunches

0:48:380:48:40

available 365 days a year,

from primary one up to the third

0:48:400:48:43

year of secondary school.

0:48:430:48:44

I know there are children out

there that don't get a meal.

0:48:440:48:47

Some adults go without to give

their kids during the holidays.

0:48:470:48:50

The children get full meals

at school, so in the holidays

0:48:500:48:52

and that, you give them a piece

for lunch, and they're, like,

0:48:520:48:55

"Where is my hot dinner?", ken?

0:48:550:48:56

About 40% of these children qualify

for free school meals.

0:48:560:48:59

But the school works hard to make

sure it's not obvious

0:48:590:49:01

who to avoid any stigma.

0:49:020:49:03

For the same reasons,

kids won't be coming into school

0:49:030:49:05

at weekends and holidays -

meals will be served in leisure

0:49:050:49:08

centres or community halls.

0:49:080:49:09

It will cost around £500,000 a year

to feed kids who might not

0:49:090:49:12

otherwise eat a proper meal

over the weekend.

0:49:120:49:22

There's a 'critical division'

between the countries

0:49:270:49:28

in the east of the EU,

and those in the west.

0:49:280:49:31

That was one of the themes

from Hungary's prime minister

0:49:310:49:33

in his annual state of the union

address this week.

0:49:330:49:36

Victor Orban - whose

tough line on migration

0:49:360:49:38

has enraged the EU -

said his country was

0:49:380:49:40

endangered by politicians

in Brussels, Berlin and Paris.

0:49:400:49:42

Jenny Hill has been to the Hungarian

border with Serbia.

0:49:420:49:44

Divisive, defiant.

0:49:440:49:49

Hungry is standing its ground.

0:49:490:49:51

A border fence, no migrant

quotas, a different

0:49:510:49:53

vision for Europe.

0:49:530:49:54

TRANSLATION:

It is thanks

to our political leaders

0:49:540:50:00

that Hungary and its people

have a profile in Europe.

0:50:000:50:02

People recognise us,

they look at us and say Hungary,

0:50:020:50:06

you are OK.

0:50:060:50:09

But Victor Orban

unsettles his EU peers.

0:50:090:50:13

Do not expect him to

back down over asylum

0:50:130:50:15

policy, the crisis may

be over but he and his

0:50:150:50:25

are seeking re election.

0:50:270:50:29

This wave of refugees and immigrants

to Hungary and to Europe

0:50:290:50:31

came as kind of a heavenly gift

to Victor Orban and many other

0:50:310:50:34

politicians in the region.

0:50:340:50:35

They could exaggerate

the potential threats and

0:50:350:50:37

risks and then appear as saviours.

0:50:370:50:39

Watch out for the dress rehearsal.

0:50:390:50:41

Local elections in this town.

0:50:410:50:46

The Fidesz candidate

expected to win.

0:50:460:50:51

How do you justify to voters here?

0:50:510:50:53

Even so he was not

keen to speak to us.

0:50:530:50:55

Can we just ask you about the EU?

0:50:550:50:57

Your party is in

trouble with the EU.

0:50:570:51:01

How do you justify that

to voters here who

0:51:010:51:02

depend on EU money so much?

0:51:020:51:03

Let alone discuss the EU.

0:51:030:51:05

Sorry, I have to go.

0:51:050:51:06

Goodbye.

0:51:060:51:12

Corruption allegations,

xenophobia, Victor

0:51:120:51:17

Orban's dream of what he calls

an illiberal democracy.

0:51:170:51:20

TRANSLATION:

The only

thing they do right is

0:51:200:51:22

keeping migrants out.

0:51:220:51:26

Apart from that they do

not do anything good.

0:51:260:51:28

They might say the

economy is thriving

0:51:280:51:30

but we do not feel it.

0:51:300:51:40

The only people who do well

are those close to Fidesz.

0:51:420:51:44

TRANSLATION:

The courts, the police,

the administration, all

0:51:440:51:49

completely under the influence

of Fidesz and people are scared.

0:51:490:51:51

I do not know what

will happen to me for

0:51:510:51:53

speaking out but I'm not afraid.

0:51:540:51:55

But out here in the

countryside, there

0:51:550:51:57

is concern.

0:51:570:51:58

Farms like this depend

on funding from the EU.

0:51:580:52:04

TRANSLATION:

The European

Union should not be

0:52:040:52:11

small-minded with Hungarian dairy

farmers just because it has

0:52:110:52:13

quarrelled with the

Hungarian government.

0:52:130:52:14

It would be irresponsible

to punish the country

0:52:140:52:16

and its people.

0:52:160:52:17

The end results could be

the EU falls apart.

0:52:170:52:20

For many of course this

is all about security.

0:52:200:52:27

But the fence has come to define

Hungary and its decision to

0:52:270:52:30

put national interests first.

0:52:300:52:31

Here on the very outer

edge of the EU it

0:52:310:52:33

is a symbol of defiance.

0:52:340:52:35

After all, this country

knows what it means to

0:52:350:52:37

be left outside.

0:52:370:52:47

I have stood on the border and watch

them unravelling that razor wire in

0:52:500:52:56

2015. We talked about Italy and

immigration is the central theme

0:52:560:53:01

driving politics in these countries.

It may not push the populist parties

0:53:010:53:06

into power but tasers shaping the

debate and politics and has an

0:53:060:53:10

effect on where mainstream politics

stands at any one time.

Would agree

0:53:100:53:14

it has been a thread running through

the programme. Talking about Trump

0:53:140:53:19

and immigration being a big part of

that. We have been discussing the

0:53:190:53:23

Brexit fallout. Brexit decisions

largely driven by immigration as

0:53:230:53:29

well. And politicians are still

struggling to catch up with this in

0:53:290:53:32

terms of often what the public are

thinking.

Absolutely.

0:53:320:53:38

Whatever your sport,

we all like a spot of giant killing.

0:53:380:53:41

And last night in the FA

Cup Wigan pulled off one

0:53:410:53:43

of the all time upsets,

beating top of the league,

0:53:430:53:46

runaway leaders, Manchester City.

0:53:460:53:50

The League One side,

46 places below City

0:53:500:53:53

in the English football league,

won 1-0 in their fifth round tie.

0:53:530:53:57

Beating one of the best

sides in Europe.

0:53:570:53:59

They'll now face Southampton

in the quarter final.

0:53:590:54:03

And the scorer of that goal,

cult hero Will Grigg.

0:54:030:54:13

In terms of the calibre of their

players and how they have been doing

0:54:130:54:17

as a team, the manager, it is the

highlight of my career just how bad

0:54:170:54:21

night panned out. And to get that

goal was something special.

He has

0:54:210:54:27

given rise to the greatest football

chant ever! You know the words? Will

0:54:270:54:36

Grigg on fire, your defence is

terrified. Here is a flavour.

0:54:360:54:41

# Will Grigg on fire.

# Your defence is terrified.

0:54:410:54:49

# Will Grigg on fire.

# Your defence is terrified.

0:54:490:55:00

And that was surely every pub last

night in Wigan.

Did you ever imagine

0:55:000:55:09

we would be showing film from inside

a pub in Wigan where they are doing

0:55:090:55:14

a soccer chant! Do not let anyone

say we do not have a broader agenda!

0:55:140:55:17

One friend said to me the dream of a

Wigan - Rochdale final lives on. Who

0:55:170:55:25

are Rochdale playing in the next

round?

They're not going into the

0:55:250:55:30

next round because Spurs are going

to beat them!

I thought you would

0:55:300:55:33

like that! The Wigan manager is Paul

Cook, a former Burnley player. So

0:55:330:55:41

some Burnley fans rooting for them.

Thank you for watching. We will see

0:55:410:55:55

you at the same time tomorrow.

Goodbye.

0:55:550:56:04

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