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You're watching Beyond 100 Days. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
The President is showing his mettle
- amid widespread concern | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
in Congress, he is pressing ahead
with his tarrifs on | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
steel and aluminium. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
There will be exemptions for Canada
and Mexico - maybe Australia. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
The plan is evolving, as it tends
to do with this President. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
The President's in a hurry to put
these tarrifs in place ahead | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
of a visit this weekend to the state
that helped him to the White House - | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
the Keystone State of Pennsylvania. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
We're going to be very fair,
we're going to be very flexible | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
but we are going to protect
the American worker, | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
as I said I would do
in our campaign. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:46 | |
But what about the other
Trump state, Wisconsin, | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
where they make the Harley Davidson
- just one of the American | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
exports that Europe
is threatening to punish? | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
Also on the programme... | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
A brazen, reckless act is how
the UK's Home Secretary describes | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
the poisoning of the Russian double
agent and his daughter, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
police say 21 people
are being treated for side effects. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
So just what is Russia thinking? | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
We have a special report
on Moscow's relations | 0:01:09 | 0:01:17 | |
With the West and of history can get
any lessons ahead of the election. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
Get in touch with us
using the hashtag #Beyond100Days. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
Hello and welcome -
I'm Christian Fraser in London | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
and Jane O'Brien is in Washington. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
A core commitment of the Trump
campaign was to bring | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
home the steel jobs. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
And the executives of the metal
industry, invited to the White House | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
today, have already responded
to the President's | 0:01:41 | 0:01:42 | |
commitment on tarrifs. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
In Kentucky and here at Granite City
in Illinois they are firing | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
up the blast furnaces,
re-hiring steelworkers | 0:01:50 | 0:01:51 | |
in anticipation of new orders. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
But during a cabinet meeting
the president dangled the prospect | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
of short term exemptions for Mexico
and Canada while Nafta trade | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
negotiations continue. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
And he also mentioned Australia,
saying he reserved the right to add | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
and drop other countries too. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:13 | |
That may come as welcome news
to more than a hundred Republican | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
congressmen who signed
a letter on Wednesday urging | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
the President to change course. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:18 | |
Mr Trump, though,
defended his position. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
Aluminum, steel they are
the backbone of our nation. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
They are the bedrock
of our defence industrial base. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
Our greatest presidents... | 0:02:31 | 0:02:32 | |
They protected our country
from outside influence | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
and from other coutnries coming
in and stealing our wealth and jobs. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
We're going to be very fair,
we're going to be very flexible | 0:02:40 | 0:02:46 | |
but we are going to protect
the American worker, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
as I said I would do
in our campaign. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
Someone who agrees with
the President's tariff plan | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
is Republican Congressman Tom Reed
from New York. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
I spoke to him earlier. | 0:02:55 | 0:03:00 | |
Congressman, thank you for joining
us. Why do you support the | 0:03:00 | 0:03:05 | |
President's plan for tariffs? You
know, what the President is doing is | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
exactly what he promised the
American people. He is going to | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
change the trade agenda going
forward, through disruption. Decades | 0:03:12 | 0:03:18 | |
of status quo policy has left many
American interests behind. What you | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
see with the potential imposition of
tariffs is a message that enough is | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
enough, we will have free and open
trade with partners across the | 0:03:25 | 0:03:30 | |
world, as long as American interests
are protected and we have an even | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
playing field, enforceable, to keep
everybody on their toes. But the | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
economy is doing well, you have just
passed tax reform, unemployment is | 0:03:37 | 0:03:42 | |
at all-time low. Why do you need to
shake up the status quo on trade | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
now? Now is an opportunity, enough
is enough. The President was clear | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
on the campaign and that is why I
support what he's doing here. He is | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
trying to change the dynamic of what
decades of policy has shifted, the | 0:03:54 | 0:04:01 | |
folks back home from the position of
opportunity, to one where they have | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
lost opportunity. That has to end.
We have to put American interests on | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
the same field, an uneven playing
field, as the stakeholders across | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
the world. But the EU and other
allies of America are warning that | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
this could spark a massive global
trade war. Is it worth it? I don't | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
believe we will have a trade war at
the end of the day. What we will see | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
here is a conversation which
recognises that if we play by the | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
rules and our trading partners
recognise that the rules need to be | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
enforceable, that it is an even
playing field, we are going to | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
embrace them. We are going to
embrace the opportunity to compete. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
Country against country, interest
against interest, but as long as the | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
playing field is even, this
imposition of any tariff is | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
something we can avoid. What is it
that has convinced you that this is | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
the way to go, especially in your
state of New York? I represent an | 0:04:49 | 0:04:54 | |
area of New York that is essentially
the rust belt. I have seen | 0:04:54 | 0:05:00 | |
first-hand, talking to families,
jobs leaving from the manufacturing | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
base. I have seen people suffering
from these policies. What we need to | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
do is change the policies, change
the agenda, disrupt the status quo. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
At the end of the day, we can all
win. We can all compete. Our trading | 0:05:10 | 0:05:15 | |
partners, as well as American
interests, in a way that advances | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
the course for the residents of
those countries and the people we | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
represent in New York. You are going
against a lot of your fellow party | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
members. How big a rift is this
within the Republican party? You | 0:05:26 | 0:05:32 | |
know, obviously we are sending a
message that some other folks | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
outside of the aisle in the party
are concerned about. I recognise, I | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
represent the people that are
suffering from these decades of | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
policy. We want to be a voice for
them to say we cannot continue the | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
status quo policy of decades before.
What we need to do is go down a new | 0:05:47 | 0:05:53 | |
path. But the new path comes with an
anxiety and fear that the long-term | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
goal we are trying to achieve, and
the President is trying to achieve, | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
is good for all of our trading
partners, as well as us here in | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
America. That is fair, enforceable
trade, once and for all. Thank you | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
very much for joining us. Thank you
for having me on. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
Soon after President Trump
announced his intention | 0:06:13 | 0:06:14 | |
to impose these tariffs -
the EU produced a list of those | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
American goods on which they would
be imposing tarrifs. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
Tit for tat. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
On the list is American whisky,
peanut butter, blue jeans, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
and Harley Davidson motorcycles. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
The BBC's Barbara Plett Usher
is in Milwuakee, Wisconsin outside | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
of the Harley headquarters for us. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:37 | |
So, the steelworkers are very happy.
What about the workers at | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
Harley-Davidson? Well, I think the
workers at Harley-Davidson will | 0:06:40 | 0:06:46 | |
suffer a setback if these tariffs,
if the steel and aluminium tariffs | 0:06:46 | 0:06:51 | |
come through, because costs will
rise in general. Also, the | 0:06:51 | 0:06:56 | |
retaliatory tariffs that might come
against Harley-Davidson will be | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
significant, the company says. There
is concern among the workers. But we | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
have been at a club of
Harley-Davidson fans, speaking to | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
people there to see what they
thought. By and large, they thought | 0:07:06 | 0:07:11 | |
Trump should stand up for America,
but that this tariff move was to | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
blunt a weapon, and they didn't want
Harley-Davidson caught up in a trade | 0:07:15 | 0:07:21 | |
war. They didn't think that they
themselves would be effective, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
because they have their bikes
already. They said anybody got | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
really wants a Harley-Davidson will
probably get one, the cost will not | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
go up much in America. I was
reminded again and again that this | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
was about a lifestyle, not just a
motorcycle. There was some concern | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
expressed about their friends in
Europe. They thought the cost would | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
go up there quite a bit. There was
quite a lot of connection, Europeans | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
can hear for events, some members of
the club said they were going to | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
Prague for a big anniversary event
later this summer. Not a lot of | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
support for tariffs in this
Harley-Davidson crowd, although some | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
do think it is just political
manoeuvring at this stage, like this | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
biker, Steve Godfrey. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:02 | |
I think it's a bad thing,
I generally believe in free trade | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
and I don't think he's
serious about this. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
I think he's just trying to scare
people into getting some | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
concessions, which is how he rolls. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
Barbra, that person does seem to
have a point, we know that the | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
President's plan is evolving. What
are they most concerned about? They | 0:08:16 | 0:08:23 | |
are most concerned about the
retaliation tariff. Harley-Davidson | 0:08:23 | 0:08:31 | |
issued a statement saying that if
the steel and aluminium tariffs were | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
imposed, costs would go up, as they
would with any company using steel | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
and aluminium. A retaliatory,
punitive tariff would have a | 0:08:38 | 0:08:44 | |
significant impact on sales. You
know, 16% of their sales go to | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
Europe. That is important,
especially because domestic sales | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
are declining. The baby-boomer
generation is dwindling, millennials | 0:08:52 | 0:08:59 | |
are not really interested in
motorcycles. We went to a dealership | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
and saw how they are trying to
target that market dig market with | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
cheaper and smaller bikes, they also
have an electric bike that they are | 0:09:07 | 0:09:12 | |
hoping they will launch. But they do
feel that it will have an impact. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:17 | |
"We know what you are doing. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:28 | |
And you will not succeed",
the Prime Minister's warning | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
to Russia back in December. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
But do we know to what
lengths Russia will go? | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
The home secretary Amber Rudd
was careful today not to point | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
the finger of blame at Moscow. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
But this was a rare type of nerve
agent, not easily acquired, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
not easily transported or stored. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
Which quite obviously
increases the likelihood | 0:09:44 | 0:09:45 | |
there was some state involvement. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:54 | |
Police say tonight that 21 people
are still being treated as a result | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
of the attack. The Government says
all of the facts must be | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
established. But if it is proved
that Russia was involved, Theresa | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
May has signalled that it will not
go unanswered. Tom Symons has more. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:10 | |
Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey is 38
years old, a decorated officer | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
with plenty of experience
on the front line of policing. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:18 | |
He's still in a serious condition
but the good news today | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
is he is awake and talking. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
He's a great character. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:24 | |
He is a huge presence
in Wiltshire Police, well loved | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
and massively dedicated officer. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:31 | |
He is clearly receiving high,
specialist treatment. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
He is well, sat up. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:43 | |
He is not the Nick I know
but he is receiving | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
a high level of treatment. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
The inquiry's not letting up. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:50 | |
Police began what appeared
to be a major search | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
and possible decontamination
of Sergei Skripal's house today. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
For a while, they even taped off
the graves of his wife and son. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
We are committed to doing
all we can to bring | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
the perpetrators to justice,
whoever they are and | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
wherever they may be. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
The investigation is moving
at pace and this government | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
will act without hesitation
as the facts become clearer. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:14 | |
The BBC's been told the nerve agent
used was not sarin or VX, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
which have been used as weapons
in the past, but rarer. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
Decontamination teams were heavily
protected on Sunday. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
Look at this picture
from earlier that day. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
No respirators or suits. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
These officers could not have known
they were about to deal with the use | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
of a chemical weapon in their city. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
I guess it really brings home to us
and the public again | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
that we run towards danger
while others walk away. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
Sometimes we run to
something we don't know. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
The risk they face became
obvious today when a bench, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
on which the Skripals were sitting,
was exposed by gusts of wind. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
Just look at the operation needed
to go in and peg it down again, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
four days on from the incident. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:56 | |
And it wasn't just police
officers who risked being | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
exposed that afternoon. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
I've spoken to a doctor
who was there. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
She's asked us not to name her
but she says she came | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
across Yulia Skripal slumped over
the bench, unconscious, | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
not breathing, vomiting
and having a fit. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
She stepped in. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
She got Yulia onto the floor,
she got her breathing | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
and handed her patient
over to paramedics. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
She's concerned about what she's
come into contact with, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
but she feels fine. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:29 | |
Sergei and Yulia Skripal,
attacked as she came to Britain | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
from Russia to visit him,
are not getting better. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
They remain in a critical
condition, as the race | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
to find their assailant -
or assailants - continues. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
Tom Symonds, BBC News, Salisbury. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
Well that suggestion
that the Kremlin may have ordered | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
this attack has been met
with an angry response in Moscow. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:51 | |
The state media has
complained of an anti-Russian | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
campaign by the West. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:54 | |
And among ordinary Russians there's
seems to be little sympathy | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
for the former double agent,
Sergei Skripal who | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
remains seriously ill. | 0:12:58 | 0:12:59 | |
Our Moscow correspondent
Steve Rosenberg reports. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
Moscow feels a world away
from the drama of Salisbury. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
Relaxed Russians are out
enjoying a public holiday, | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
determined not to allow a spy
scandal to spoil their day. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:19 | |
People here are short
on sympathy for Sergei Skripal. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
TRANSLATION: The fewer secrets
you sell, the longer you'll live. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
TRANSLATION: Don't
betray your motherland. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:26 | |
Then you'll have no problems. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
TRANSLATION: When he was in prison
in Russia, he was healthy. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
He goes to Britain
and gets poisoned. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
He should have stayed here. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:35 | |
It's a similar message
from Russian TV. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:40 | |
The Kremlin-controlled media have
been mocking Boris Johnson | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
and making fun of Britain. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
If you're a professional traitor,
he says, my advice, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
don't move to England. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
Something's not right there,
the climate, perhaps. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
But too many bad things go on there,
people are hanged, poisoned, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
helicopter crashes or they fall
out of windows. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:06 | |
Under Vladimir Putin,
the Kremlin has sent a very clear | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
message to the Russian people
that their country is besieged | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
fortress, threatened by enemies
abroad and traitors at home. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
That's why is little sympathy
here for Sergei Skripal. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
And if Moscow did target
Sergei Skripal... | 0:14:15 | 0:14:23 | |
Most Russian people, not me,
of course, most Russian people | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
would take pride in it
because there is a very | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
black and white world,
it's us against them. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
Putin has brought us
back in a big way. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:38 | |
Today, the president
delivered a special address. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
No mention of spies. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
He congratulated Russian women
on International Women's Day. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:54 | |
Moscow knows it's under suspicion
but the Kremlin is acting | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
as if it's business as usual. | 0:14:58 | 0:14:59 | |
Steve Rosenberg, BBC News, Moscow. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:06 | |
Bill Browder is considered to be one
Vladimir Putin's number one enemies | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
and deported from Russia
for exposing corruption there. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
He's been speaking to the BBC's
Victoria Derbyshire programme. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
At the moment nobody has
tried to shoot at me | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
or blow me up in a car. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
But this nerve agent stuff
and the fact that they can do this | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
in a foreign country and get away
with it is absolutely | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
terrifying for me and every
person that is at odds | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
with the Russian government. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:27 | |
How do you protect yourself then? | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
Because at any moment, you could be
in a bar or a restaurant, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
your food could be spiked,
your drink could be spiked, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
you could be walking to the train
station and someone drops something | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
on your skin and you
could end up in a coma. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
That is the whole purpose
of what they've done. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
It's called terrorism. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:43 | |
It's to try and create terror
in every one of their enemies. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:49 | |
And people say "Why did
they do this to this man?" | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
The answer is he was probably
one one-thousandth of | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
the reason they did it. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:55 | |
They did it for everyone
else, to say here's | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
what we're capable of. | 0:15:57 | 0:15:58 | |
Well joining us now is Mark Stout,
a former intelligence | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
analyst for the CIA. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
Thank you very much for joining us.
The British say they want all of the | 0:16:04 | 0:16:09 | |
facts before they say who did this.
Who do you think did this? Well, we | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
don't know for certain. But I have a
hard time imagining it was anybody | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
other than somebody associated in
some way, shape or form with one of | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
the Russian intelligence services.
It's really hard to come up with an | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
alternative explanation. Must be
easier ways to try to assassinate a | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
body? This is so dramatic, is it
conceivable that this could be done | 0:16:28 | 0:16:33 | |
without state involvement? It is
possible, but hard to imagine. If | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
you go back to the 1990s, a Japanese
group created nerve agents, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:43 | |
theoretically it can be done by a
non-state actor. But then they had | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
to have multiple experiments never
got the formula right. There are so | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
many ways, if it is not done by a
state, it can go wrong, the | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
presumption has to be if it is nerve
agents it was done by a state, even | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
if that is not 100%. I understand
you are the former historian at the | 0:16:57 | 0:17:02 | |
International spy museum there. How
does this compare with the Cold War? | 0:17:02 | 0:17:10 | |
Are there goes? Are we going back in
time? Well, there are some echoes. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
What is interesting to me,
particularly interesting about this | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
murder and the rash of suspicious
deaths that there have been in | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
Britain in recent years of Russians
and people associated with Russia, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
it really goes back a long way into
the Cold War, right? The last couple | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
of decades of the Cold War, with the
interesting and prominent examples | 0:17:29 | 0:17:35 | |
of the assassination in 77, the last
couple of decades, the Russians were | 0:17:35 | 0:17:41 | |
not assassinating a lot of people
abroad. There were historical | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
precedents, but it tends to go back
to the 50s and even before that. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
This is really a dramatic turn if
this is what it appears to be and it | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
is a throwback to the very worst
periods, I would argue, of Soviet | 0:17:51 | 0:17:56 | |
history. Doesn't have implications
for the United States? I am slightly | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
surprised. I've been following the
coverage in the United States and it | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
has not been picked up as widely as
you might imagine? There are a lot | 0:18:03 | 0:18:08 | |
of other things going on in the
United States. We have a President | 0:18:08 | 0:18:14 | |
allegedly sleeping with a pawn star.
As Lou Reed as it is, it has serious | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
competition here, it has had media
attention but it has not generally | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
been on the front pages, just
because we have had a lot of things | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
going on here. -- as luird. How
worried should former spies be? | 0:18:24 | 0:18:36 | |
Unless they are given personal,
direct protection by Scotland Yard | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
or private bodyguards, they would
potentially happen to be... It would | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
be wise for them to be worried if
they are not in hiding. Ultimately, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
does not take much, whether it is to
give you a nerve agent, shoot you in | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
the head, that does not take much
interaction. It takes a lot of | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
intelligence collection of fronts to
find out where you live, your | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
pattern of life, how to get it to
you, it takes a lot of planning. But | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
the actual execution, when you know
you need to be right there, my | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
target will be there, it is pretty
trivial, really. If I were one of | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
these folks that had been swapped
with Skripal, I would be looking at | 0:19:11 | 0:19:20 | |
security. It was Anna Chapman, the
spy returned from the United States | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
from New York back to Russia. As I
understand it, there is a rule of | 0:19:24 | 0:19:29 | |
ethics when you are swapping spies.
Why do you think Skripal might have | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
been targeted now? Yes, well, if we
assume it is the Russians, and I do, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
there are a couple of possibilities.
First off | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
there are a couple of possibilities.
First off, Skripal and the others | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
that were pardoned, that was a brief
four year period when Putin was | 0:19:45 | 0:19:51 | |
Prime Minister. It is possible that
Putin thinks it was a horrible idea | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
and has reversed it. The other
possibility is that there have been | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
lower level changes in leadership in
the Russian intelligence services by | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
people that don't necessarily feel
themselves bound by old promises and | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
are vengeful. A third possibility,
it seems to me, is that the Russians | 0:20:04 | 0:20:10 | |
that might have recently learned
that maybe Skripal's espionage was | 0:20:10 | 0:20:16 | |
moored deeper and damaging than they
knew when they prosecuted him and | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
swapped him, now they are saying,
well, you didn't come clean, the | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
dealers off. We don't know. I
wouldn't be surprised if it was | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
something along one of those three
scenarios. Fascinating stuff. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:30 | |
A Danish inventor accused
of murdering a Swedish journalist | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
on his submarine last August has
gone on trial in Copenhagen. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
Peter Madsen has admitted
dismembering Kim Wall's body | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
and disposing of it at sea,
but denies murder. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
He says her death was an accident
and that she died of carbon | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
monoxide poisoning. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:46 | |
Ms Wall was working on a story
about Madsen when she went | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
missing last August. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:50 | |
The US Secretary of State Rex
Tillerson is currently on a tour | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
of Africa and was today
speaking in Ethiopia. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
He did miss a chance to mention
North Korea. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
At the event he warned
that despite progress, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
the prospect of talks
with North Korea is still some way | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
off, despite President Trump
indicating potentially positive | 0:21:06 | 0:21:07 | |
signals coming from North Korea
by way of the South. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:16 | |
Russia's relations with the West
have cooled dramatically over | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
Vladimir Putin's 18 years in power. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
But it's his most recent term that's
marked the low point - | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
including the annexation
of Crimea and war in Ukraine. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
With President Putin
set to win re-election | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
by a landslide next week,
our Moscow correspondent, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
Sarah Rainsford, has travelled
to Rostov to explore the depth | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
of the East-West divide. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
They see themselves
as born warriors. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
The Cossacks, defenders of
the country through the centuries. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
It's a past they are fiercely proud
of, replayed in the muddy | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
borderlands of southern Russia. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
These days, the Cossacks' brand
of patriotism is on the rise. | 0:21:57 | 0:21:58 | |
TRANSLATION: Cossacks
want to serve their country | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
and protect their land. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:02 | |
I think that's important. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:10 | |
And to raise our
children as defenders. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:11 | |
It was that impulse that sent many
other Cossacks to fight in Ukraine | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
just across the border. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:15 | |
Alexander went, too. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
One of thousands of volunteer
fighters from across the country | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
who claimed Ukraine's Russian
speakers were in danger. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
He paints the uprising in Kiev
as a coup backed by the West, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
views that sound radical
are now mainstream here. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:38 | |
TRANSLATION: Volunteer fighters felt
they had to take part in the war, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
because if they didn't,
their cities will be shelled next. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
Ukraine was just beginning. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:44 | |
We know who this is done by. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
It's the West that wants
to divide up our country. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
In Rostov, there is a memorial to
those who died fighting in Ukraine. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
Despite all the evidence, Russia
still denies sending soldiers there. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
Russia's relations with the West
have been cooling for some time, | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
but it was the war in Ukraine that
really marked a breaking point. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:06 | |
While to many here those who fought
are seen as patriots and as heroes. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
For the West, this was the moment
that marked Russia as an aggressor. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:14 | |
The West imposed sanctions,
but Russia didn't buckle. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
It retaliated. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
It banned fresh meat from Europe,
among other things. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
So no-one here is too
flustered by sanctions. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
They've boosted local production
and staff think western | 0:23:26 | 0:23:27 | |
firms would struggle
to recapture the market. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:32 | |
We're ready for the
competition, Dmitri says. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
Russia today looks more
Western than ever, | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
with similar tastes and styles. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
The crowd in this bar see
the country as European, culturally. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
The young owner would like to be
closer politically, too. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:53 | |
But the climate has
cooled dramatically. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
Maria also has a fashion label
and big plans for the future, | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
including expanding sales
to the West. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
But under Vladimir Putin,
she fears Russia will only | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
increase its isolation,
with assertive policies | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
sold to the public by
a powerful state-run media. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
TRANSLATION: Instead
of talking about problems | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
we have inside the country,
they talk about how | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
we are surrounded by enemies
who all want the worst for us. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
It's really scary, because it
works everything up, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
then people think they need to push
back, otherwise we will be | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
overrun and destroyed. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:36 | |
That siege mentality is growing
here, as is the sense that Russia | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
has chosen a deliberate path away
from the West, with no sign | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
that it plans to turn back. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:47 | |
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have
been visiting Birmingham in the UK, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
to launch a project to mark
International Women's Day, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
aimed at inspiring female
students to take up careers | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
in science, technology
and engineering industries. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
The royal couple spoke
to crowds outside the event - | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
some of whom had waited for several
hours to see them on the latest leg | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
of their tour of the country,
in advance of their wedding in May. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
She is really rather good at this,
isn't she? She slotted into it very | 0:25:18 | 0:25:23 | |
well, she looks very at ease. She
has a slightly easier role than Kate | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
Middleton, the Duchess of Cambridge,
because she is not the first couple, | 0:25:27 | 0:25:32 | |
if you will, not the direct air to
the throne. She can be a bit more | 0:25:32 | 0:25:38 | |
relaxed. But she has adapted very
well. The wedding is made a 19th, at | 0:25:38 | 0:25:46 | |
St George's Chapel. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
This is Beyond 100
Days from the BBC. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
Coming up for viewers
on the BBC News Channel | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
and BBC World News -
we'll have more on International | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
Women's Day, from protests with pots
and pans to new boxing-inspired | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
Barbies. | 0:25:57 | 0:25:58 | |
Good evening. We say goodbye to most
of the snow as we head towards the | 0:26:08 | 0:26:13 | |
weekend, because we are about to say
hello to some higher temperatures. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:19 | |
Snow cause some disruption across
parts of northern England though, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
bringing beautiful scenes as well.
For many more places today, it is | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
turning into a sunny one. That
weather watcher picture came from | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
Wiltshire, where we have had the
sunny skies by date and we will have | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
clear skies by night. That will
allow temperatures drop away. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
Showers feeding across the North
West of Scotland. Still wintry | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
across the high ground. A bit more
the far south-west. Not as cold | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
here, four degrees in Plymouth. Most
other areas will get down below | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
freezing. A widespread frost,
perhaps icy stretches and the odd | 0:26:46 | 0:26:51 | |
mist patch to take us do tomorrow
morning. Through tomorrow, after any | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
early mist has cleared, the majority
will see large amount of sunshine. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
These showers are still feeding in
across the western side of Scotland, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
with some over high ground. All the
while, southern part of a learned | 0:27:02 | 0:27:07 | |
and a good part of Wales will cloud
over without breaks of rain | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
beginning to splash in by the middle
part of the afternoon. Friday's | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
rush-hour looks like a pretty soggy
one from Plymouth to Cardiff, to | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
London, as the outbreaks of rain
push northwards. Much of the rain | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
will be light and patchy initially,
but it could turn heavier as we get | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
deeper into the evening. That rain,
courtesy of this frontal system | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
which will be working its way
northwards, all driven by an area of | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
low pressure sitting down to the
south-west. The positioning of this | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
low pressure means that as we get
into the weekend, we are going to be | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
bringing southerly wind across the
country, feeding in some very mild | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
air indeed. I think mild as the big
theme for the weekend forecast. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
There will be some rain at times,
but not all the time. Certainly some | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
rain to start on Saturday, part of
the Midlands, northern England and | 0:27:50 | 0:27:55 | |
Northern Ireland, the heavy burst.
As that drift into Scotland it could | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
give some snow over the high ground.
At low levels we are expecting this | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
to be falling as rain. All the while
we will see milder air pumping up | 0:28:01 | 0:28:06 | |
from the south, 14 or 15, maybe 16
degrees of things brighten up to the | 0:28:06 | 0:28:13 | |
south-east. South-eastern areas may
get a glancing blow from this area | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
of rain on Sunday. Generally,
southern parts will see some | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
showers. Further north, after any
early fog has cleared, it might take | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
time to do so and we should see some
spells of sunshine. Temperatures, | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
for most, in double figures. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
This is Beyond 100 Days, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
with me Christian Fraser in London
and Jane O'Brien in Washington. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
Our top stories - | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
Ignoring divisions
within his own party, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
President Trump pledges to push
through with tariffs on steel | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
and aluminium imports - | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
one Republican told us
they're long overdue. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:25 | |
And what you see here with the | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
And what you see here with the
potential position of tariffs is a | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
message that enough is enough. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
The attempted murder of a former
Russian spy was brazen | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
and reckless says the UK Government, | 0:30:35 | 0:30:36 | |
as investigations continue
into who was behind it. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
Coming up in the next half hour: | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
I sit down with a senior American
official who tells me why | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
keeping up with Russia is every bit
the challenge for the West. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
We are in a situation of playing
whack-a-mole, basically. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
We have to stay one
step ahead of where the | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
Russians are on this. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:59 | |
The super ages. How these long
distant cyclists, some of them in | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
their 80s, have the immune system of
a 20-year-old. Let us know your | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
thoughts using the hashtag... | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
Who does the President listen
to when it comes to foreign policy? | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
The Secretary of State Rex Tillerson
reportedly speaks to him every day. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
But the general feeling
here in Washington is that the | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
wider role of the State department
has been downgraded | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
under President Trump. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
In embassies around the world,
there are still key posts | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
that remain unfilled, | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
and more than once the President has
overruled his closest advisors. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:41 | |
It is no longer
straightforward interpreting | 0:31:41 | 0:31:42 | |
where American foreign policy
is headed, so its useful to sit | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
where American foreign policy
is headed, so it's useful to sit | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
down with a man who works
with Rex Tillerson every day. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
Steve Goldstein is the US
Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
and Public Affairs. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:55 | |
I have been asking him what he makes
of the current debate on tarrifs, | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
the poisoning of Sergei Skripal,
and of course the links that | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
are being drawn with Russia. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:02 | |
In the three days I've been here,
I've heard quite a lot about this | 0:32:02 | 0:32:07 | |
and I talked to a number of people
in the UK Government to have | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
and I talked to a number of people
in the UK Government who have | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
mentioned this episode to me
and it is very | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
concerning and we respect
the work of the British | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
investigators in trying to get
to the bottom of this. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
But people look at what the State
Department is doing. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
There was a story this week
in the American papers that | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
you were granted $120 million
to fight Russian meddling | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
and the State Department
has spent nothing. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
So people naturally worry
that you are not taking | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
the Russian threat seriously. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:33 | |
Well, we take the Russian
threat very seriously. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
At my own hearing, I talked
about the fact that the Russians had | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
interfered in the 2016 elections. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
The Secretary of State indicated
in an interview that he did | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
in South America that he understood
that that interference | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
would continue likely in 2018. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
Does the boss take it seriously? | 0:32:49 | 0:32:53 | |
I think we all take it seriously
and we are doing a lot of work. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:57 | |
The Department itself has spent
over $1 billion trying | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
to work on these issues. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:00 | |
40 million is being allocated
specifically | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
to fight disinformation,
but to be very clear, | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
this is a specific and ongoing | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
problem and we are in a situation
of playing whack-a-mole, basically. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
We have to stay one step ahead
of where the Russians are a mess | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
We have to stay one step ahead
of where the Russians are on this | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
and it's not just the Russians. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:19 | |
The Chinese and many other
countries are trying | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
to participate in disinformation. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
And just with specific
reference to the nerve agent, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
if it was proven that there
was a link to the Kremlin, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
would the United States,
as a close ally of the UK, | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
be doing something about that? | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
I think we would be very
supportive of whatever | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
decision that United Kingdom
would decide to make. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
OK. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:38 | |
You are here building
relationships... | 0:33:38 | 0:33:39 | |
Yes. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:40 | |
Do tariffs, and we are expecting
an announcement from Donald Trump | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
today on steel and aluminium,
does that make your | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
job more difficult? | 0:33:45 | 0:33:46 | |
We understand the concern
of our allies regarding that issue | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
and Boris Johnson and others have
spoken with the Secretary of State. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
I can tell you that the secretary
has passed that information | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
on to Secretary Ross and others
within the administration and has | 0:33:55 | 0:34:00 | |
expressed concerns people have,
but we also have to look | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
at this more broadly | 0:34:02 | 0:34:03 | |
and that's
what we're trying to do. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
But we do understand the concerns
expressed by the United Kingdom. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
Theresa May has spoken
of a deep concern. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
If Canada and Mexico were exempted,
then surely your closest ally | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
would be exempted as well? | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
Well, that's a decision that
would be made by the President | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
but you are our closest ally,
there's no question about that. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
I think the Foreign Minister,
who has a very close | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
relationship with the Secretary,
they like each other quite a bit, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:29 | |
has made that point and I think
the Secretary has passed that along. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
OK. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:33 | |
Let's turn to North Korea. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
They have said they will sit down
for talks with the United States. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
Do you think the President's tough
rhetoric is working? | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
I do think the tough
rhetoric is working. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
I think the President is very
serious on what we are trying | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
to achieve here and we are welcoming
that, but whatever North Korea comes | 0:34:46 | 0:34:51 | |
to the table with, it has to be
verifiable and irreversible. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:56 | |
Because we had the former
ambassador Christopher Hill | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
on the programme yesterday. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
He said you can't do
diplomacy without diplomats. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
You've lost your top man in Seoul,
the ambassador has left. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:09 | |
The incoming ambassador has
withdrawn his application. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
You don't have a senior diplomat
in Seoul at the moment. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:16 | |
Well, that is not the case, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:23 | |
we have a charges de mission, | 0:35:23 | 0:35:24 | |
who is in charge of the entity
that we have within South Korea. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
We also have Susan Thornton,
who has been nominated to be | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
assistant secretary and is an expert
in this area. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
In addition to that,
we have other people | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
within the department and outside
who can come in as negotiators. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
I think people should
understand that at the point | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
that they are ready to negotiate
under the standards | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
that the President has set
and the Secretary has set, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
we will have an appropriate
negotiator at the table. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
But you know there is
a wider issue here. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
The last count, 41 of 188 embassies
around the world still don't | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
have a US Ambassador. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:52 | |
There is a misnomer in believing
that most of these embassies | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
are staffed with political people. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:56 | |
That is not the case. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:02 | |
Most of them are staffed with very
experienced career and foreign | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
service representatives. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:06 | |
While we don't have ambassadors
at some embassies who are political, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
we do have very qualified
and competent people | 0:36:09 | 0:36:10 | |
who are doing an excellent job. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
Did they have an ambassador before
this administration came | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
in, these embassies? | 0:36:15 | 0:36:16 | |
They did, but as each
administration begins, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
frequently the ambassadors resign
and new ambassadors are appointed, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
that's how our system operates. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
OK. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:25 | |
But you look at Mexico and you've
just lost Roberta Jacobsen there, | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
three decades of experience in Latin
America. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
Hugely experienced person,
helped set up the embassy in Cuba. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:37 | |
Can the State Department really
lose talent like that? | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
Well, Roberta Jacobsen's retiring
and that is surely within her right. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
Most of the people that
are retiring have been | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
with the Department for over 30
years and they have a right to have | 0:36:47 | 0:36:52 | |
a life after the State Department
but we will be naming | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
a new ambassador to Mexico very
soon, I know that something | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
that the White House is working on,
along with the Department | 0:36:57 | 0:37:02 | |
and Roberta Jacobsen has agreed
to stay through May to help | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
with that early transition. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
with that orderly transition. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:07 | |
The reason I am pushing
you on it is because there | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
is a general concern,
the President says, look, | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
it is not chaotic, there is huge
energy the White House, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
it is not chaotic, there is huge
energy in the White House, | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
but there's a lot of people
leaving the administration. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
39 people have left key posts
in this administration. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
The concern is if you are building
relationships, how can your allies | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
depend that secretary Tillotson
is going to be there, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
that they are going to follow
through the stewardship | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
of many of the policies
you are trying to set out. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
Well, the Secretary
of State will be here. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
As a matter of fact,
I know there was a period of time | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
last year where some people
euphemistically referred | 0:37:37 | 0:37:38 | |
to the Secretary of State as Rexit,
a take-off on Brexit | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
and with the belief
that he was leaving. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
He was never leaving that post,
he serves at the pleasure | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
of the President and I think I'd
like to put that part | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
to bed and let people know
he is the Secretary of State. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
And he is staying. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
How are you adapting to the job? | 0:37:53 | 0:37:58 | |
Because it is tough, isn't it? | 0:37:58 | 0:37:59 | |
You told me a little earlier that
you get up at five in the morning. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
How do you cope? | 0:38:03 | 0:38:04 | |
It is a little tougher
than I realised and I'm trying | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
to figure out how to operate
with much less sleep than I used | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
to get beforehand and to not be
quite as stressed when reporters | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
and other people call me... | 0:38:13 | 0:38:14 | |
People like me come calling! | 0:38:14 | 0:38:15 | |
They say they need
an answer right away. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
But it's an honour to serve
the President of the United States | 0:38:17 | 0:38:23 | |
and Secretary. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:24 | |
It's a great pleasure
to have you here in London. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
Thank you very much
were talking to us. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
Thank you for having
me, I appreciated it. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
Steve Goldstein, the undersecretary
of state, fascinating talking to him | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
today. I am going to call in the
phrase Rexit, because a lot of | 0:38:33 | 0:38:39 | |
people thought the Secretary of
State would be out of there before | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
Hope Hicks Gary Cohn or the rest,
but he is still hanging in there. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
What sort of power does he have, do
you think? It is very interesting | 0:38:46 | 0:38:52 | |
relationship because he does get
sent out as America's top diplomat | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
but then he is often undermined by
President Trump. We have seen this | 0:38:55 | 0:39:01 | |
in instances across a variety of
issues, North Korea being one. Rex | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
Tillerson says America may be open
to direct negotiations with the | 0:39:05 | 0:39:10 | |
North Korean regime and President
Trump says, no we're not. So the | 0:39:10 | 0:39:15 | |
problem is for diplomats in other
countries wondering who it is they | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
are actually talking to, who does
hold the reins here and when Rex | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
Tillerson says something, can they
actually believe it? So it makes it | 0:39:23 | 0:39:28 | |
very difficult for diplomatic
relationships in a lot of cases. He | 0:39:28 | 0:39:33 | |
is meticulous, Rex Tillerson. Steve
Goldstein was making this point that | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
he is fastidious about certain
things and will keep going back to | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
the White House, even though he gets
the brush up, and keep pushing for | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
those things he believes in. One
other interesting titbit he told me, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
over here Boris Johnson gets a lot
of bad press from time to time and | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
as been getting some more this week
that he said if you put these two | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
figures together, Johnson and Rex
Tillerson, you would think they | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
don't get on. Quite the reverse, he
says and they speak practically | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
every week and he does listen to
Boris Johnson. So you have the Prime | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
Minister and the president, who have
had their issues of late and the | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
special relationship has been under
a bit strained but the channels | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
between the Foreign & Commonwealth
Office and the State Department very | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
much alive very useful to both sides
of the party. So it is worth hearing | 0:40:15 | 0:40:20 | |
things like that from people who
work with Boris Johnson day-to-day. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:25 | |
Donald Trump's former campaign
manager Paul Manna Ford has pleaded | 0:40:25 | 0:40:31 | |
not guilty to charges filed against
him by the Special Counsel Robert | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
Mueller. He will appear before a
federal judge before July the 10th, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:39 | |
we are reading.
Mr Manna Ford is accused of 23 | 0:40:39 | 0:40:46 | |
offences, including preparing,
filing and subscribing to Sachs | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
could lead false tax returns and
bank fraud. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:58 | |
The Irish Parliament -
known as the Dail - | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
is this evening debating a bill
for the planned abortion referendum. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
The Irish Government has published
legislation for the planned abortion | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
referendum, paving the way
for the voters to decide | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
whether to liberalise
the country's abortion laws. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
Taoiseach Leo Varadkar met
with his Cabinet this morning | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
to finalise the wording
of the referendum bill, | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
which would formally establish
a referendum commission. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
The vote will be held
at the end of May. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
Chris Page reports from Dublin. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:18 | |
This is a nation which was once seen
as the most socially | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
conservative in western Europe,
but it feels like | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
change has been swift. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:30 | |
In the next few months, Ireland
will make a defining decision. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:36 | |
Tens of thousands of Irish women
have travelled to other | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
countries to have abortions. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
Gaye Edward's baby,
who she and her husband | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
named Joshua, had a fatal
condition called anencephaly. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
She says having to go away
to end her pregnancy | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
magnified her grief. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
While I knew that I had come
to the right decision for me, | 0:41:53 | 0:41:58 | |
it made me feel that society
viewed my decision as | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
being somehow wrong. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
When you really need to be taken
care of you feel like you're just... | 0:42:03 | 0:42:08 | |
Pushed aside and into a corner. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:13 | |
Stories like Gaye's have helped
to bring about the referendum. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
Voters will decide whether to remove
the Eighth Amendment | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
of the Irish Constitution,
which gives an unborn child | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
and a pregnant woman
an equal right-to-life. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
These canvassers are campaigning
to repeal the Eighth. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
Abortions are happening in Ireland,
they're happening dangerously | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
and they're happening illegally. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
We are on the shoulders
of generations of women who have | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
been organising and working
for this shift forward. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:43 | |
If the change to the Constitution
is approved in the referendum, | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
the Parliament in Dublin
will determine how available | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
terminations will be. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
Ministers want to allow
abortions up to 12 weeks | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
into a pregnancy and in some
limited circumstances afterwards. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
But the Government does
haven't a majority. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:02 | |
But the Government
doesn't have a majority. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
The two main parties
are divided on the issue. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
The Catholic Church's strongly
defending the Eighth Amendment. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:11 | |
Its power has diminished,
but it certainly hasn't disappeared. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
Life begins at conception and ends
and death and we have | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
Life begins at conception and ends
at death and we have | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
to protect all life. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:19 | |
If it's repealed, all the rights
are gone from the baby. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
Women who support the current
law are speaking about | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
their experiences too. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
Vicky's daughter, Liandan,
was still-born at 32 weeks. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
She recalls what happened
when a doctor told her he didn't | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
expect her baby to live. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
He said that my only option
was to pop to England - | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
insinuating an abortion. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
That was never going
to be an option. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
We spent the summer
just being with her. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:48 | |
The Eighth Amendment
showed to me that not | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
only did we value her,
but our country | 0:43:51 | 0:43:52 | |
valued her like that. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
For people on both sides,
the referendum's about what sort | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
of society they want to live in. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:03 | |
It is a personal,
passionate, emotive debate. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:04 | |
Chris Page, BBC News, Dublin. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:12 | |
The International Red Cross has
postponed an aid convoy due to | 0:44:12 | 0:44:14 | |
travel | 0:44:14 | 0:44:22 | |
to the | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
Syrian rebel-held
enclave of Eastern Ghouta, saying | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
it's too dangerous to go there. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:28 | |
Fighting is intensifying
in the region near Damascus, | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
as government forces advance. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:31 | |
An estimated 400,000 people
are trapped in the area. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
The Irish Prime Minister has
demanded more details | 0:44:34 | 0:44:35 | |
from the British Government on how
it plans to avoid border checks | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
between Northern Ireland
and the Republic once the UK | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
leaves the EU. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:41 | |
Leo Varadkar said Northern
Ireland should stay part | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
of the European Single Market
if the UK can't find | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
a solution to the problem. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:49 | |
a second winter storm in a week will
continue to dump heavy snow in | 0:44:49 | 0:44:57 | |
England and in the north-east. The
230 centimetres of snow are expected | 0:44:57 | 0:45:05 | |
from eastern New York through
northern Maine after the storm | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
slammed the region on Wednesday. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
This is Beyond 100 Days. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:12 | |
Still to come... | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
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Alex Lowe, please stop laughing.
While Amazon's digital assistant is | 0:45:20 | 0:45:26 | |
bursting into fits of laughter...
That is still to come. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:31 | |
Here, a jury at the
Old Bailey has seen | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
the moment a bomb partially exploded
on a tube in south-west London. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
Some of the passengers on board have
been describing how their hair | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
and clothes caught fire when it went
off in a packed carriage | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
last September. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:43 | |
30 people were injured in the
incident at Parsons Green station. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
18-year-old Ahmed Hassan
denies attempted murder. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:47 | |
From the Old Bailey,
here's June Kelly. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:52 | |
This was a day of dramatic
and distressing evidence | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
as the court heard from those
who work on the train under attack. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:59 | |
as the court heard from those
who were on the train under attack. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
A bomb had been left in a bag. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
It failed to fully go off but it
created a ball of flame | 0:46:05 | 0:46:10 | |
which terrified scores of early
morning commuters as it | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
rolled down the carriage. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:13 | |
One, Amy Coalville,
described to the courthouse | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
how her hair caught fire. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
She said she'd heard a loud bang
and seen a wall of glass. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:21 | |
A flame came over
her right hand side. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:25 | |
Earlier the evidence focused
on the movements that | 0:46:25 | 0:46:27 | |
morning of Ahmed Hassan,
the teenager on trial | 0:46:27 | 0:46:29 | |
for the attack. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:34 | |
Here setting off on his journey
with his bomb in a Lidl bag, | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
the court's been told. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:38 | |
One passenger, Victoria Holloway,
told the jury there was a whooshing | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
sound as if someone had lit Bunsen
burner she said the flames | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
sound as if someone had lit Bunsen
burner and she said the flames | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
were touching her legs
and wrapping around her skin. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:49 | |
In his evidence, an Army explosives
expert, Craig Palmer, | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
who was further down the train,
went to the scene of the blast. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
He said... | 0:46:55 | 0:46:56 | |
Two of the passengers were in tears
as they gave their evidence. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:11 | |
They testified from behind
a screen and could be | 0:47:11 | 0:47:13 | |
seen by only the judge,
jury and lawyers. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:17 | |
One of them, known only as Miss S,
described how on that | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
morning her coat was burning
and her tights were melting. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:25 | |
She has been left scarred after
burns to her hands, legs and face. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:34 | |
You're watching Beyond 100 Days. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
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of religious expression, | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince has
quite the agenda as he meets | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
with the most senior
figures in Britain | 0:47:45 | 0:47:54 | |
as part of his UK charm offensive. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:55 | |
Today, Mohammed bin Salman met
with the Archbishop of Canterbury, | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
Justin Welby, to promote
Saudi Arabia as a tolerant kingdom. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:00 | |
The leader of the Church of England
did raise concerns - | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
like the freedom of Christian
expression in Saudi Arabia, | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
and the dire humanitarian
situation in Yemen, | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
where a Saudi-led coalition
is fighting rebels. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:11 | |
Many haven't warmed to this visit, | 0:48:11 | 0:48:13 | |
with pockets of protests
across London, | 0:48:13 | 0:48:15 | |
but they've not
swayed the Prime Minister. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:18 | |
The Crown Prince met with
Theresa May on Wednesday, with talks | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
of a $90 billion trade deal. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
No doubt that will be a key
topic when the pair meet | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
at the PM's official country house
tonight, Chequers, where she's | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
hosting a private dinner. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
Well, it's all about modernising | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
It is International Women's Day and
there have been strikes across the | 0:48:40 | 0:48:42 | |
globe as women and men campaign for
gender equality and an end to | 0:48:42 | 0:48:49 | |
discrimination.
We have been tracking some noisy | 0:48:49 | 0:48:51 | |
street protests and the more unusual
ways that companies around the world | 0:48:51 | 0:48:55 | |
have responded. One famous brand was
quite literally turned on its head. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:59 | |
Take a look. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:01 | |
THEY CHANT | 0:49:15 | 0:49:17 | |
Some of the protests there around
the world. Outside the BBC in | 0:50:00 | 0:50:05 | |
London, staff gathered to demand
equal pay. They chose they -- said | 0:50:05 | 0:50:10 | |
they chose to stand at 4:22pm, nine
to represent the 9% discrepancy. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:26 | |
Carrie Gracie was there, who
resigned earlier this year as the | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
China editor. Now, running a
marathon or long-distance cycling, | 0:50:30 | 0:50:34 | |
how often you hear older people
saying such sports are just for the | 0:50:34 | 0:50:38 | |
young. Well, it seems it is not the
case. Researchers have been | 0:50:38 | 0:50:42 | |
following a big group of older
cyclists, some in their who have | 0:50:42 | 0:50:46 | |
remained active. Some of the results
are surprising, as Fergus Falls has | 0:50:46 | 0:50:50 | |
been finding out. I have arranged a
60 mile ride through the Surrey | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
Hills.
This is what healthy ageing looks | 0:50:53 | 0:50:57 | |
like. The cyclists, aged 64-82,
think nothing of spending five hours | 0:50:57 | 0:51:03 | |
or more in the saddle. Room for one
more? I do it for reasons, for | 0:51:03 | 0:51:12 | |
health, because I enjoyed, because
it is sociable, it is just a | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
wonderful life. They have all been
examined as part of a trial which is | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
challenging perceptions of ageing.
One of the first result I got from | 0:51:18 | 0:51:22 | |
the medical study was I was told my
body fat was comparable to that of a | 0:51:22 | 0:51:30 | |
19-year-old. Leading the peloton is
professor Norman Lazarus. At 82, a | 0:51:30 | 0:51:36 | |
prime example of healthy ageing. If
exercise was a pill, everybody in | 0:51:36 | 0:51:41 | |
the world would be taking an
exercise pill. He not only took part | 0:51:41 | 0:51:47 | |
in the study, but helped lead the
research. This test shows his | 0:51:47 | 0:51:53 | |
excellent lung function. Last little
bit, keep pushing. An MRI scan gives | 0:51:53 | 0:51:59 | |
another indication of how well
Norman is ageing. These are his | 0:51:59 | 0:52:03 | |
thighs. Now compare Norman's
muscular legs on the right with that | 0:52:03 | 0:52:10 | |
they said and tree 50-year-old on
the left, which is mostly fat. If | 0:52:10 | 0:52:16 | |
more of us could do the recommended
150 minutes of moderate physical | 0:52:16 | 0:52:23 | |
activity each week, it would pay
huge dividends. Across a whole come | 0:52:23 | 0:52:29 | |
at of different levels, what
exercise is doing in older | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
individuals is giving them higher
levels of function and better | 0:52:32 | 0:52:35 | |
quality of life -- across the whole
gamut. The most remarkable findings | 0:52:35 | 0:52:40 | |
came when scientists in Birmingham
examined blood samples from the | 0:52:40 | 0:52:44 | |
cyclists. They found their immune
system, which normally declines with | 0:52:44 | 0:52:49 | |
age, was still as strong as a young
person's. The immune system is | 0:52:49 | 0:52:53 | |
really key in the body, it has
several roles. It protects us from | 0:52:53 | 0:53:05 | |
infections but it also helps us to
fight things like cancer, so the | 0:53:05 | 0:53:07 | |
fact that the cyclists have the
immune system of a 20-year-old and | 0:53:07 | 0:53:10 | |
not a 70 or 80-year-old means they
are protected from infections and | 0:53:10 | 0:53:12 | |
cancer potentially. The advantages,
then, of exercise in later life are | 0:53:12 | 0:53:17 | |
profound. So if cycling is not your
thing, try another sport. What about | 0:53:17 | 0:53:23 | |
dancing? Gardening? Even brisk
walking. Most of the health benefits | 0:53:23 | 0:53:28 | |
of these super agers are easily
achievable if we just did a bit more | 0:53:28 | 0:53:32 | |
physical activity. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:36 | |
Isn't that fascinating? I mean, it
is really confirming what we all do | 0:53:37 | 0:53:43 | |
know, that exercise is good for us
but I was saying this a few weeks | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
ago, my grandad used to walk
regularly and when he stopped | 0:53:46 | 0:53:50 | |
walking, things started to go
downhill but he just couldn't walk | 0:53:50 | 0:53:54 | |
anymore because his legs seized upon
his back seized up and he is nearly | 0:53:54 | 0:53:59 | |
94, but still, the moment that the
exercise finished, that is the point | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
where he started to go downhill, so
there is a lesson there for all of | 0:54:02 | 0:54:09 | |
us, isn't there? And it is a lesson
that, as you say, we know, they say | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
use it or lose it and it's nice to
see that science is finally | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
confirming our innate knowledge on
that. Get back on the bike, get | 0:54:16 | 0:54:19 | |
moving. And I say that because we
are going to seamlessly move into | 0:54:19 | 0:54:22 | |
something that I have in my house
which means I don't move very much, | 0:54:22 | 0:54:27 | |
I don't move off the couch because I
have Amazon Alexa and some say there | 0:54:27 | 0:54:31 | |
device has been letting out an
unprompted creepy cackle. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:40 | |
CREEPY CACKLE | 0:54:40 | 0:54:45 | |
Some people have described it as a
sort of witchlike cackle. It is | 0:54:45 | 0:54:50 | |
reported to happen even without the
device being given the wake-up | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
command, so you say at Alexa and you
give it a command. What really | 0:54:53 | 0:54:58 | |
concerns me is that mine is in my
bedroom so if I was in my bedroom | 0:54:58 | 0:55:03 | |
getting dressed in the morning and I
heard that, I would develop a bit of | 0:55:03 | 0:55:05 | |
a complex. I think it is very
worrying first of all virtue can't | 0:55:05 | 0:55:09 | |
get up and use a switch like
everybody else, including me, and | 0:55:09 | 0:55:13 | |
that you would have one of these
things in your bedroom. What does | 0:55:13 | 0:55:17 | |
happen when she suddenly switches on
and start cackling? All of my | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
friends are dumping them because
they are always listing and they are | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
terrified they are listening in on
their secrets but I have one | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
upstairs and one downstairs and
because I am an early adopter, I had | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
one downstairs that turns on my
lights so I don't even have to get | 0:55:31 | 0:55:36 | |
up to turn them off for Ron. This is
totally alien to me because I am the | 0:55:36 | 0:55:42 | |
sort of person that puts a sticky
tape over the camera lens of my | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
computer because I'm so worried
about technology. Then you appear on | 0:55:45 | 0:55:49 | |
television and tell everybody your
secrets! I don't know, I am an open | 0:55:49 | 0:55:53 | |
book. I am here all week. We will be
back for the same time on Monday, | 0:55:53 | 0:55:57 | |
thank you to Jane for her company.
Caddy will be | 0:55:57 | 0:56:00 |