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Beyond One Hundred Days.

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Fired in a tweet -

the US Secretary of State didn't

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know he was out of a job

until he read it on Twitter.

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His replacement is Mike Pompeo -

the hawkish head of the CIA.

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How does this change

America's foreign relations?

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Rex tiller sovereign said the

president called him after the news

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broke.

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Rex and I have been talking

about this for a long time.

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We got along actually quite well,

but we disagreed on things.

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America's new top diplomat

is tougher on Russia

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than the President,

but shares his views

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on the Iran nuclear deal.

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In his place, the CIA gets

it's first ever female

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director, Gina Haspel.

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Also on the programme:

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The poisoning in Salisbury "sounds

like the Russians" says

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Donald Trump, but can Britain count

on its closest allies?

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Hello and welcome -

I'm Katty Kay in Washington

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and Christian Fraser is in London.

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On a very busy day in Washington,

we have another reminder that things

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are rarely smooth in this White

House.

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No sooner had the President

fired his Secretary of State,

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than conflicting reports emerged

of whether Rex Tillerson even knew

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he was being sacked.

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Whether he did or he didn't,

it is a story with enormous foreign

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policy implications for both

allies and adversaries.

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Replacing Rex Tillerson

as America's top diplomat

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is the head of the CIA, Mike Pompeo.

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And in his place Gina Haspel,

a 30-year veteran at the CIA

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and the first woman to head

the agency.

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Pompeo takes a hardline

on Iran and North Korea

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and would appear to be more in synch

with the President

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than his predecessor.

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Here's Mr Tillerson

a few moments ago.

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I received a call today

from the President

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of the United States

a

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little after noon time

from Air Force One

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and I've also spoken

to

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White House chief of

staff, Kelly, to ensure

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we have clarity as to

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days ahead.

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My commission as Secretary

of State will terminate at

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midnight March 31st.

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We all have the experience of being

fired and that is a bad way to go.

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The BBC's North America Editor Jon

Sopel has more on what led

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to today's dismissal.

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Rex Tillerson was flying back to

Washington from a trip to Africa

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when the normally buttoned up

Secretary of State cut loose with

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journalists. But unknown to him the

president had signed his death

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warrant. Mike Pompeo will become the

new Secretary of State. He will do a

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fantastic job. But Tillerson isn't

on Twitter so it fell to his chief

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of staff to ring him to inform him.

Only this after the event from the

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President.

I wish Rex a lot of good

things, he is he is going to be very

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happy. I think Rex will be much

happier now. I appreciate his

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service. Tillerson's fate was

probably sealed when he called the

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president a moron. A claim that the

Secretary of State didn't exactly

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deny.

I'm not going to deal with

petty stuff like this, this what I

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don't understand from Washington. I

don't come from this place.

There

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was the public undermining of

Secretary of State by the President,

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sending family members to do some of

the work that would normally be done

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by America's top diplomat and public

naming on Twitter:

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The new man will be Mike Pompeo. He

spoke to the BBC century on. On

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Russia he acknowledges the threat

they pose.

I have every expectation

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they will continue to do that, but

I'm confident America will be able

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to have a free and fair election and

is sufficiently robust that the

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impact they have on our election

won't be great.

Tillerson and Trump

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never gelled. The former CEO of

Exxon was a corporate Titan. Surely

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the place with a lowest life

expectancy in the world - being a

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member of the Trump administration.

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A short time ago, I got reaction

from Democratic Senator Chris Coons.

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He sits on the Foreign

Relations Committee.

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Senator, Coons you have put out

a statement saying that

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Rex Tillerson was never really

supported by the

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President when it came

to personnel and trust.

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Do you think that that

is why he was fired?

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Well, I think both the timing

and the process for the

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firing of our Secretary of State

is deeply concerning.

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The timing suggests

that the Secretary of State

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put out a very tough statement

standing in solidarity with Prime

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Minister May and the people of

the United Kingdom in pushing back

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against Russia's very aggressive

action and that may well have

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contributed to the abruptness and

the very public nature with which

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Secretary of State

Tillerson was let go.

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It's also been clear for some time

that when it it came to

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important issues -

North Korea sometimes

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and the issue of Russia -

that Tillerson was not in

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lock step with the President and if

you're not in lock step with the

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President, as the US Secretary

of State, you can't really be

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very effective?

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That is right, it is a real

challenge to be a Secretary of

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State where your President publicly

cuts you out of major decisions,

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hands to his son-in-law, rather

than his chief diplomat critical

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initiatives around

the world, or where

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the values put forward

in the

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President's budget

dramatically undermine

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the ability of the Secretary

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to lead a successful

diplomatic effort.

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The President has now two years

in a row suggested slashing

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our Department of State by a third

and it's been very difficult for

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Secretary Tillerson to preside over

our global diplomatic effort with

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that head wind in his face.

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What do you make of

the way this was all

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handled, this firing?

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I'm concerned that the

President may have been

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acting more out of the instincts

he adopted in ten years of presiding

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over a reality TV show,

where the ultimate end

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was to have him point at somebody

and yell, "You're fired"

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in order to win a TV audience,

rather than a more measured,

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appropriate, disciplined process

by which he could have transitioned

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from Secretary of State Tillerson

to his now nominee, CIA

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Director Pompeo.

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This is not a matter

of commanding a global TV

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attention, this is a matter

of concern to our allies and

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encouragement to our enemies

when the President fails to stand up

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to Russian aggression,

particularly

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Russian aggression that has

so directly impacted one of our most

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vital allies on earth,

the United Kingdom.

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So let's talk about Mike Pompeo

who is going to replace,

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assuming he is confirmed,

Rex Tillerson, as the new American

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Secretary of State,

what changes in American

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policy when Mike Pompeo

is

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running the Department of State?

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You have mentioned Moscow,

he is pretty hawkish

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when it comes to Russia.

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The other area where

he is noticeably

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more hawkish than Rex Tillerson

on is the question of Iran and the

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nuclear deal.

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What happens now?

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Well my concern is that Secretary

of State Tillerson was well known

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to have had tensions with President

Trump over his urging that we stay

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in the Iran deal and work with our

European allies to improve it

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or to address Iran's aggressive

behaviour in the region.

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I'm concerned that the

CIA Director Pompeo

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may encourage President Trump's

instincts borne of his campaign to

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tear up this deal, rather

than embracing the very real

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benefit we have seen.

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I think frankly given

the window we are in, where we

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are trying to negotiate some

resolution with North Korea of their

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even more aggressive nuclear weapons

programme that we have to be

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attentive to how Kim Jong-un, the

dictator of North Korea,

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sees our handling of the Iran deal

negotiated by the previous

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administration here

in the United States,

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with our core European

allies as well as North

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Korea and Russia.

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Senator Coons, thank you.

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I can tell you the world

is watching all of this with

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fascination.

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Unprecedented for a Secretary of

State to be sacked so early in his

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role. As you were saying,

humiliating for a man who was

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reluctant to take the job in the

first place.

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And with us now is our political

analyst Ron Christie.

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Clear he he didn't know this was

coming and neither did his staff. I

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know because last week his

under-Secretary of state was in

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London and we talked about Rex

Tillerson, listen to that interview.

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How can your allies depend that

Secretary Tillerson will be there

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and this stewardship of the policies

you're setting out?

He will be here.

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I know there was a time last year

when people referred to the

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Secretary of State as Rexit, a take

off on Brexit, in the belief he was

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leaving. He was never leaving. I

would like to put that part to bed

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and let people know he is the

Secretary of Stay.

Well he is not

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staying and neither is Steve

Goldstein. He said today he hadn't

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spoken with President Trump and he

didn't know the reasons and he was

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subsequently fired for putting out a

statement that contradicted the

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White House. What does this tell us

about the way the White House is

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run?

Good evening, I think this is

shocking to be Hon egs. The

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Secretary of State is the most

senior diplomat in the President's

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cabinet, the first person who held

the job was Thomas Jefferson. The

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fact he found out by Twitter

indicates it was an impulsive

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decision. You don't treat your chief

diplomat that way. What signal does

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that say to the people around the

world?

There were a lot of

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disagreements, they didn't agree on

Iran and Saudi Arabia and North

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Korea and you have the situation

where the President decides to sit

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down with Kim Jong-un while the

Secretary of State is in Africa. But

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what do you make of the Russia

angle? In the last 24 hours, Rex

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Tillerson said we are outraged that

Russia appears to have involved its

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in the poisoning in the UK. At odds

with what Sarah Sanders said in the

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briefing room?

Interesting that the

Secretary of State stood shoulder to

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should we are Theresa May and our

allies, so what the President should

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have said. It doesn't surprised me,

I think the President thought

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Tillerson can't get out saying

things like that, I'm the president,

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he works for me. I think Donald

Trump does not want anyone who will

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challenge his authority.

I would go

further and say this was chaotic at

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the beginning, look at the way this

was done, it looks like the

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president wanted to fire him last

Friday without even telling him at

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all. No notification. No phone call.

He just wanted Tillerson to read it

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on Twitter. There is almost a form

of cruelty in that.

You're right,

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and look all the way back when of

course President Trump was

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considering mitt Romney to be head

of state, I think what President

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Trump did was hue mailiating and we

saw how Tillerson looked humiliated.

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He did this on a world stage and I

think it was a shabby thing for him

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to have done.

Thank you. This would

not have happened in the Bush or the

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Obama or the Clinton White House.

Let's talk about Gina Haspel who,

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will take over at the CIA, the first

female. Not an easy confirmation I

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guess.

No, they like her in the

agent circumstances he -- agency.

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There will be a sigh of relief that

they have one of their own running

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the administration when the Trump

administration has a difficult

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relationship with the intelligence

community. But she has baggage to go

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into the confirmation hearings,

particularly around terrorism and

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torture. She over saw one of

America's black sites during the

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Bush administration in Thailand,

where terrorist suspects were water

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board. She has been involved in will

there was a cover up around video

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tape and what happened to the tape

of the sessions of water boarding.

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That already is being raised by some

Senators and it will come up an as

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objection. But she also might do a

great job, but she has to know she

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could be fired at the drop of a

tweet.

One issue.

As we have just

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learned...

One of the thorny issues

she will face is Russia and we know

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what the President's attitudes are

to Russia. What about Theresa May,

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she has a range of options she can

use to retaliate against Moscow for

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the poisoning of Sergei Skripal and

his daughter. One is apparent lay

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boycott of World Cup and the

expulsion from Britain of

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broadcaster Russia Today. Moscow

said not a single media outlet would

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be allowed to operate in Russia if

the Prime Minister followed through.

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Yes, today there were expressions of

solidarity in the EU and finally

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from President Trump. But can

Britain count on its closest allies.

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Here is James Landale.

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It began as a brutal attack

on the streets of Salisbury,

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the poisoning of a former Russian

intelligence

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officer and his daughter,

that the UK blames on Russia.

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But it's become a global

diplomatic row, with Britain

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looking for allies in its

confrontation with Moscow.

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British ministers

meeting again to discuss

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the case have given the Kremlin

until midnight to explain how a

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nerve agent developed in Russia

ended up in Britain.

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If the response is implausible,

they are promising

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extensive measures against Russia.

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This is a brazen attempt to murder

innocent people on UK soil.

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Policemen still in hospital,

overwhelmingly likely or highly

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likely the Russian state was

involved, and the use of this nerve

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agent would represent

the first use of nerve

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agents on the continent

of

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Europe since the Second World War.

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As part of a huge diplomatic effort

across Europe, British officials

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told the chemicals

weapon watchdog that

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Russia was implicated

in the

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use of chemical weapons.

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Germany, France and

other allies offered

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support without attributing blame,

but Donald Trump at least appeared

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to accept Russia might be involved.

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Theresa May is going to be

speaking to me today.

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It sounds to me like they believe

it was Russia and I

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would certainly take

that finding as fact.

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As soon as we get the facts

straight, if we agree with them, we

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will condemn Russia

or whoever it may be.

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Russia is already

subject to sanctions.

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Ministers insist these damage

Russia's economy but their

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impact on behaviour is doubtful.

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Crucially these are largely EU

sanctions, the UK cannot impose them

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on its own.

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So what unilateral

options is the Government

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considering?

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Some of Russia's 58

diplomats in London could be

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expelled but that might promote

a tit for tat expulsion.

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Russians could face

travel bans, but who and

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how?

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There could be tougher laws to crack

down on Russian officials

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guilty of human rights abuses,

and Russian television stations

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like RT could be targeted.

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Here at the Foreign

Office, they are also

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investing a lot of effort

and diplomacy in trying to bring

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international pressure to bear

on Russia but the bar is high.

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Russia has a veto

at the UN and some EU

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countries are reluctant

to contemplate yet more sanctions.

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To date, the Russian Embassy said

accusations of involvement in the

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Salisbury attack were groundless

as diplomats promised retaliation

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against any new sanctions.

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Russia is not a country

to be spoken to in the

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language of ultimatums.

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I think it is high time

the UK learned that.

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But unless Moscow gives Britain

a satisfactory answer by midnight,

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some Russian diplomats here might be

clearing their desks very soon.

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Meanwhile London police have

begun an investigation

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into the 'unexplained' death

of Nikolai Grushkov, a Russian,

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who was found dead in Kingston,

London

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on Monday evening.

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Mr Gruchkov, a former

Aeroflot executive was tried

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in absentia in Russia,

and was a business partner

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of Boris Berezovsky,

the Russian oligarch who was found

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hanged in his Surrey home in 2013.

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Scotland Yard has stressed

there is no evidence to suggest

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there was any link to the poisoning

of Sergei Skripal.

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The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd,

has also announced today that

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a string of deaths in Britain

in which there was suspicion

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of Russian involvement,

will be looked at again by police

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and MI5.

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It follows an invesigation

by the news website BuzzFeed

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into 14 suspicious deaths.

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Heidi Blake is the Investigations

Editor for BuzzFeed.

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Welcome. A growing list of Russian

opponents who die in mysterious

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circumstances and Boris Berezovsky

was one. Why do you think we should

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look again at that particular death?

Well Boris Berezovsky was one of a

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group of nine oligarchs who helped

get money from Russia after a wave

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of dissidents and exiles came to the

UK under Vladimir Putin. There are

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nine of the men who died in

suspicious circumstances. Boris

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Berezovsky is just one. In all of

the cases and in five others that we

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investigated...

There was no sign of

a struggle with Boris Berezovsky.

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Why do you think it needs to be

looked at.

Well he was found hanged

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from his own shower rail. The marks

were not consistent with the sorts

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of marks you get in a hanging A

pathologist said they were

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consistent with strangulation of

the. And he had a broken rib. There

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were fingerprints found. He was

known to be the target of previous

0:20:160:20:21

assassination attempts ordered by

the Russian state. We think it is

0:20:210:20:24

sufficient to investigate his death

and the others of people surrounding

0:20:240:20:27

him.

You have spent a lot of time

investigating the unexplained deaths

0:20:270:20:31

of Russians in London. What do you

make of today's news, do you think

0:20:310:20:45

that Mr Glushakov's death sounds

suspicious.

Well he was part of the

0:20:450:20:49

group of Russian exiles, many of who

have died in mysterious

0:20:490:20:54

circumstances. He was close to Boris

Berezovsky and another of the 14

0:20:540:20:58

people who died suspiciously in

Britain after angering the Kremlin.

0:20:580:21:02

We know he has accused the Kremlin

of being involved in the death of

0:21:020:21:06

his friends and he was continuing to

investigate their deaths. So I think

0:21:060:21:09

it is appropriate that counter

terror police become involved in

0:21:090:21:13

that investigation. They can

hopefully conduct all the

0:21:130:21:16

appropriate tests and make sure the

investigation is conducted properly

0:21:160:21:18

and maybe we will get a better

conclusion in this investigation

0:21:180:21:22

than in the 14 hoers that we have

investigated.

Can I ask you about

0:21:220:21:28

comments from the Russian Foreign

Ministry in connection with Sergei

0:21:280:21:32

Skripal's poisoning. The two lines,

particularly one they would

0:21:320:21:38

retaliate against all British

journalists in Moscow if RT is shut

0:21:380:21:43

and the threat of don't mess with a

nuclear power. What do you think of

0:21:430:21:50

that.

That is why the British

Government has been reticent to

0:21:500:21:58

respond before. I have been talking

to people in the British Government

0:21:580:22:01

and they tell me Britain is scared

of Russia and Russia is a nuclear

0:22:010:22:08

power with extensive capabilities

and are prepared to respond to any

0:22:080:22:14

retaliation by the British

Government and could shut out every

0:22:140:22:19

British journalist from Russia if

Britain shuts down one Russian

0:22:190:22:25

propaganda arm. Britain is scared of

moves Russia could make. I think

0:22:250:22:30

here by unleashing a chemical

weapons attack that may have

0:22:300:22:33

affected hundreds of members of

public, Russia has crossed a

0:22:330:22:38

threshold and it is not possible or

the the British Government to ignore

0:22:380:22:42

this.

Thank you.

0:22:420:22:50

We need three hours for this

programme today. There is so much.

0:22:500:22:55

Now many of us have journals

where we write down our feelings

0:22:550:22:58

but for seven-year-old Noah Orion -

the pages became a place to express

0:22:580:23:01

himself when his mother

was sick with cancer.

0:23:010:23:03

When she died last fall his drawings

became a way to express his grief.

0:23:030:23:06

Now it's being made into a book -

with the proceeds being

0:23:060:23:09

used to help others.

0:23:090:23:11

The BBC's been speaking

to Noah about the project.

0:23:110:23:14

It's a book where you express your

feelings about each day you have.

0:23:140:23:21

How is that?

0:23:230:23:24

Too high?

0:23:240:23:26

I was like, how could

I make a book where I

0:23:260:23:30

could just just do the title,

like one of those journals.

0:23:300:23:35

Noah created this

journal, it was totally

0:23:350:23:36

an idea he came up with on his own.

0:23:360:23:39

There was a good day's version

and a bad day's version.

0:23:390:23:41

A bad day would be like

when something goes wrong.

0:23:410:23:46

And good days are basically

holidays, winning video games.

0:23:460:23:53

But if you can't

find a good day or a

0:23:530:23:55

bad day in their day,

you don't really have

0:23:550:23:57

to write about that day.

0:23:570:23:59

About five years ago Sandy

was diagnosed with breast cancer.

0:24:010:24:04

She was diagnosed at stage 4.

0:24:040:24:06

Who is Sandy?

0:24:060:24:07

My mom.

0:24:070:24:09

She was a real trooper

when we found out.

0:24:090:24:13

I mean she went camping

with us one time.

0:24:130:24:17

We have always had a conversation

in our family about how

0:24:210:24:24

it is important to talk

about your feelings, or write

0:24:240:24:26

it down.

0:24:270:24:28

When Sandy started to get sicker,

it was something we talked

0:24:280:24:31

about a lot.

0:24:310:24:32

Dad saw me with this

and he was, "That's awesome, dude."

0:24:320:24:36

I really wanted to show Noah

that his bright idea could

0:24:360:24:38

help people.

0:24:380:24:40

Noah said something to me today that

I thought was great, he

0:24:520:24:55

said, "I want people

to know they they can make

0:24:550:24:59

a difference and they can help,

even if they're only

0:24:590:25:01

seven years old."

0:25:010:25:02

I thought that was

really a sweet thing.

0:25:020:25:05

I feel awesome that I could

contribute, help them

0:25:050:25:08

to not have the same thing

that we went through.

0:25:080:25:12

I know his mum would be

so proud of what he has

0:25:130:25:17

accomplished.

0:25:170:25:17

I know she would be really proud

of what he is doing.

0:25:170:25:21

So sad what Noah has been flu and

good for him for trying to help

0:25:260:25:30

other people.

0:25:300:25:32

This is Beyond 100

Days from the BBC.

0:25:320:25:34

Coming up for viewers on the BBC

News Channel and BBC World News -

0:25:340:25:38

will Russia respond to Theresa May's

midnight diplomatic deadline,

0:25:380:25:40

as the UK demands an explanation

over the poisoning of a former spy

0:25:400:25:43

in southern England?

0:25:430:25:45

And sun, surf and security -

Donald Trump makes his first trip

0:25:450:25:49

to California as President,

where he's looking at

0:25:490:25:51

prototypes for a border wall.

0:25:510:25:52

That's still to come.

0:25:520:25:56

There are some changes on the way

for tonight into tomorrow. Today was

0:26:090:26:15

a lovely spring day. Sunshine across

the country. There was some cloud as

0:26:150:26:18

you can see from our weather watcher

pictures. The showers that we had

0:26:180:26:26

faded away. We have some clear

skies, light winds and temperatures

0:26:260:26:31

will fall away tonight. The wind's

picking up, blowing in more cloud

0:26:310:26:37

with rain later in Cornwall and

Northern Ireland. Ahead of it we

0:26:370:26:40

will find temperatures falling close

to freezing. In Scotland and

0:26:400:26:44

northern England all the way down to

the northern home counties. For

0:26:440:26:49

Wednesday this area of low pressure

will rotate to the west of the UK.

0:26:490:26:55

And push ahead these bands of cloud

and rain. The western side that sees

0:26:550:26:58

the rain on Wednesday. Ahead of it

we are drawing air from Spain. A

0:26:580:27:06

mild wind picking up during the day.

It will be a breezy day. For central

0:27:060:27:11

and eastern parts dry with sunshine.

The stronger winds will be where we

0:27:110:27:15

have the thicker cloud and rain to

the west. Gales likely to the South

0:27:150:27:21

West of England and around the coast

and hill and rain through much of

0:27:210:27:25

the afternoon across the South West,

spilling up to Wales, heading north

0:27:250:27:29

in the afternoon. The winds picking

up through the Irish Sea and some

0:27:290:27:33

rain for much of the day for

Northern Ireland, clipping the South

0:27:330:27:37

West of Scotland and arriving back

into the Western Isles. But plenty

0:27:370:27:42

of sunshine around the Moray Firth

and the Society east of England --

0:27:420:27:48

south-east of England and

temperatures up to 14. For Thursday

0:27:480:27:51

the rain will move, not away from

Northern Ireland, but moving north

0:27:510:27:57

and behind it sunshine but some

heavy showers. Here in the South

0:27:570:28:02

West temperatures around 12 degrees.

But to the north of the rain belt it

0:28:020:28:06

is colder in Scotland and the

north-east of England and it will

0:28:060:28:10

get colder. That rain band moves

north and then stops, the showers

0:28:100:28:16

continue towards the south and any

showers in Scotland turning wintry.

0:28:160:28:23

We pick up an easterly wind. It will

feel cold with some snow in the

0:28:230:28:27

south. And in the east.

0:28:270:28:29

This is Beyond One

Hundred Days, with me

0:30:090:30:11

Katty Kay in Washington -

Christian Fraser's in London.

0:30:110:30:13

Our top stories.

0:30:130:30:14

Donald Trump fires his

Secretary of State,

0:30:140:30:16

Rex Tillerson, replacing him

with CIA chief, Mike Pompeo.

0:30:160:30:19

One Democratic Senator tells us,

this is no way to run a White House.

0:30:190:30:25

The president may have been acting

more out of the instincts he adopted

0:30:250:30:28

in ten years of presiding over

a reality TV show where the ultimate

0:30:280:30:37

aim was to have him point at someone

and yell, you're fired.

0:30:370:30:40

Moscow says it will

ignore an ultimatum

0:30:400:30:42

from Britain to explain how a former

Russian double agent

0:30:420:30:44

was poisoned in the UK

with a Soviet-era nerve agent.

0:30:440:30:47

We'll have more on both of those

stories in a moment -

0:30:470:30:50

also coming up in

the next half hour.

0:30:500:30:52

Trump travels to California

for his first visit

0:30:520:30:53

as president, to look at prototypes

of the wall he wants to build

0:30:530:30:57

on the Mexican border.

0:30:570:30:59

Amazing pictures from

Patagonia - the Argentine

0:30:590:31:00

glacier that collapses,

then reforms - we've

0:31:000:31:03

more to show you.

0:31:030:31:05

Let us know your thoughts

by using the hashtag

0:31:050:31:07

'Beyond-One-Hundred-Days'.

0:31:070:31:17

Let's return to our top story

In the biggest shake-up

0:31:180:31:21

of his Cabinet since taking office,

Donald Trump has sacked his

0:31:210:31:23

Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson,

following a series of public

0:31:230:31:26

disagreements between the two men.

0:31:260:31:28

Rex Tillerson is the twentieth

member of Mr Trump's

0:31:280:31:30

cabinet to lose their job,

or resign, since the President took

0:31:300:31:33

office fourteen months ago.

0:31:330:31:37

The director of the CIA,

Mike Pompeo, has been named

0:31:370:31:39

as Mr Tillerson's replacement,

while Gina Haspel becomes

0:31:390:31:42

the first woman to lead

the intelligence agency.

0:31:420:31:52

What do we know about what was that

tipping point that fully - that

0:31:540:32:03

finally pushed at Rex Tillerson.

I

remember when the rumours were

0:32:030:32:07

swirling late last year we thought

it was imminent and then at the

0:32:070:32:11

start of the New Year we felt a

corner had been turned and Rex

0:32:110:32:16

Tillerson had found his feet and he

embarked on all of these trips and

0:32:160:32:21

policy initiatives. And he told us

that he would be around for the year

0:32:210:32:26

of the Sophie was digging in perhaps

banking on this fact but Donald

0:32:260:32:31

Trump does not like to fire people

directly. But for the tipping point,

0:32:310:32:34

Rex Tillerson got a call on Friday

from the Chief of staff John Kelly

0:32:340:32:39

to let him something was up. And

this happened shortly after Donald

0:32:390:32:42

Trump decided to meet the North

Korean leader. So White House

0:32:420:32:48

officials saying that he wanted to

make a break, he wanted to get a new

0:32:480:32:53

team in place in time to run those

negotiations anti-trust and likes

0:32:530:32:58

Mike Pompeo, he is more aligned in

terms of policy and he decided then

0:32:580:33:02

to move at this point. Coming back

on the plane Rex Tillerson was also

0:33:020:33:08

outspoken about Russia, he has

always been more radical of Russia

0:33:080:33:12

than Donald Trump to put it mildly.

But he was very outspoken on the

0:33:120:33:17

plane coming back and that may have

tipped the scales in terms of the

0:33:170:33:20

timing. I think Donald Trump had

already made up his mind. But no

0:33:200:33:24

doubt it was a shock wave that it

was done and the timing as well.

0:33:240:33:28

Just a few hours after Rex Tillerson

landed after coming back from

0:33:280:33:32

Africa.

Mike Pompeo has been more

tactful when it comes to Russia even

0:33:320:33:38

though he seems to be siding with

Rex Tillerson. Saying that they are

0:33:380:33:45

interfering not just in the last

election but in the run-up to the

0:33:450:33:48

midterms. But he is more hawkish

when it comes to Iran and North

0:33:480:33:54

Korea.

As head of the CIA he has

said we have evidence that Russia is

0:33:540:33:59

meddling and will medal again

probably in the midterms. So he has

0:33:590:34:04

taken a much stronger stance than

Donald Trump. But less strong than

0:34:040:34:10

Rex Tillerson. So he is in between.

But in terms of the other policy

0:34:100:34:14

issues, Iran, he said that we have

differences on Iran with Rex

0:34:140:34:20

Tillerson. The reality of that was

Cabinet secretaries had told them

0:34:200:34:26

not to pull out of the Iran deal.

But Mike Pompeo is going to be

0:34:260:34:32

overseeing backfile now. He's known

to be more a hawk on Iran.

0:34:320:34:38

Let's speak to William Cohen

who served as Secretary of Defense

0:34:380:34:40

under President Clinton.

0:34:400:34:45

Can you give us some sense of the

importance of the role of Secretary

0:34:450:34:49

of State, how much does a change in

that role reflects a change in

0:34:490:34:55

American policy.

It really depends

on the president. What kind of

0:34:550:34:59

delegation of authority the

president gives to his Secretary of

0:34:590:35:02

State. But from the beginning it was

cleared Donald Trump did not give

0:35:020:35:06

full authority to Rex Tillerson. And

that was indicative from the very

0:35:060:35:12

beginning, they had disagreements of

a variety of issues. Their styles

0:35:120:35:17

are different, Rex Tillerson comes

from the corporate world where there

0:35:170:35:20

is a process that present tramp

comes from his own world where there

0:35:200:35:24

is no process but more of a chaotic

environment with decisions being

0:35:240:35:28

made on impulse without great

consequence given to the result.

And

0:35:280:35:34

the relationship between the

Secretary of State and secondary

0:35:340:35:38

defence, we understand Rex Tillerson

had a good relationship with the

0:35:380:35:44

Secretary of Defence. How much does

that relationship matter?

It is very

0:35:440:35:52

important, state and defence

sometimes disagree on major issues

0:35:520:35:57

and it is important that the

Secretary of Defence and state work

0:35:570:36:00

together. But in this case I think

Mike Pompeo will work very well with

0:36:000:36:17

defence. I do not think there will

be any big difference of opinion.

0:36:170:36:21

There may be some difference in

style in terms of how they go about

0:36:210:36:24

resolving any differences they might

have.

You said it depends on the

0:36:240:36:33

president, and their relationship

with the Secretary of State. But

0:36:330:36:36

that tweet he said to Rex Tillerson,

he's wasting his time trying to

0:36:360:36:43

negotiate with little rocket man.

But then he said he would talk to

0:36:430:36:48

the North Korean President. He does

not really want to listen to the

0:36:480:36:53

candour of his Secretary of State,

he wants to do it himself?

Well Rex

0:36:530:36:58

Tillerson was promoting negotiation

to try to get to the table with the

0:36:580:37:02

North Korean. And you have president

moon of South Korea asking for

0:37:020:37:07

negotiations. Present tramp called

him an appeaser. And then he

0:37:070:37:14

undercut Rex Tillerson I think

you're wasting your time with little

0:37:140:37:18

rocket man. Again it shows the

volatility and lack of real

0:37:180:37:23

continuity in terms of thinking and

action put up and in this case it

0:37:230:37:27

was clear that secretary Rex

Tillerson was not going to have a

0:37:270:37:32

long lasting literature with the

president. But what is surprising is

0:37:320:37:36

the manner in which it was done,

without any great class or grace. He

0:37:360:37:42

could have said we're just having

too many differences and I would

0:37:420:37:45

like you to submit your resignation.

But instead he waited until he was

0:37:450:37:50

out of the country and then fired

him. Now Rex Tillerson apparently

0:37:500:37:54

wants to stay on but usually you

have an agreement to stay on for a

0:37:540:38:00

couple of weeks but Dean fired with

the undercut durability to carry out

0:38:000:38:05

any functions.

Thank you very much.

If ever we have a disagreement and

0:38:050:38:11

one of us has to leave the show I

will tell you in person, Christian.

0:38:110:38:15

It will not be done on twitter, that

is not the way to get rid of

0:38:150:38:20

someone. I think this one issue

about Mike Pompeo, he is very much a

0:38:200:38:26

political person and tied this

president. Willie play the role of

0:38:260:38:29

standing up to Donald Trump and

disagreeing with him when he feels

0:38:290:38:32

that there are policy issues between

them. I'm a bit more sceptical about

0:38:320:38:36

that. The president is in California

now, he asked the builders to create

0:38:360:38:51

some physically imposing structures

for his proposed border wall. He is

0:38:510:38:54

looking about how to type, there are

in fact eight of them and it will

0:38:540:39:00

cover 360 miles of the border. That

is one of them, all different shapes

0:39:000:39:04

and sizes. I have been looking at

the pictures from the other side and

0:39:040:39:08

quite a number of Mexicans on the

other side protesting with banners.

0:39:080:39:12

And just on the other side the

Secret Service keeping a wily eye on

0:39:120:39:17

the Mexicans who have come to

protest about it. And by the way he

0:39:170:39:32

still does not have the money for

that wall.

0:39:320:39:34

Returning now to the

Russian spy story.

0:39:340:39:36

And the Russian government has,

once again, denied being involved.

0:39:360:39:38

Russia's foreign minister says

Britain isn't letting

0:39:380:39:40

the Kremlin see the evidence

of the nerve agent attack,

0:39:400:39:42

as required under international law.

0:39:420:39:45

From Moscow, here's Sarah Rainsford.

0:39:450:39:47

Today we saw the British

ambassador called into

0:39:470:39:49

the foreign ministry here.

0:39:490:39:51

He said he came to give

the message from Theresa May

0:39:510:39:56

that the ultimatum was approaching,

that Britain expects some answers.

0:39:560:39:59

The foreign ministry, though,

said he came to hear the Russian

0:39:590:40:01

protest against what Russia calls

a sordid attempt to

0:40:010:40:04

discredit this country.

0:40:040:40:05

So strong language coming

from Moscow and the strongest we've

0:40:050:40:08

heard yet coming from the Minister

himself Sergey Lavrov.

0:40:080:40:18

He has essentially rejected

the deadline, he said Britain

0:40:180:40:20

is violating the chemical weapons

Convention by only giving Russia 24

0:40:200:40:22

hours to respond to the allegation

of a chemical attack.

0:40:220:40:28

He says there should be

ten days to respond.

0:40:280:40:30

So unless Russia, unless the UK

sticks to the rules than Russia has

0:40:300:40:33

no intention of doing so either

was pretty much the message

0:40:330:40:36

from Sergey Lavrov.

0:40:360:40:37

When I asked him directly

whether Russia was responsible

0:40:370:40:39

for this attack he said

that was nonsense and Russia had

0:40:390:40:42

nothing to do with it.

0:40:420:40:45

And we've heard as well

from his spokeswoman a little later

0:40:450:40:53

today with even stronger

language, she said today

0:40:530:40:55

who does Britain think

0:40:550:40:56

it is issuing ultimatums

to a nuclear power.

0:40:560:40:58

So worrying language

from here in Moscow and no sign

0:40:580:41:00

at all I think of Russia either

meeting the deadline or backing down

0:41:000:41:03

on its stance over this attack.

0:41:030:41:08

So it seems another rupture in

relations between the UK and Russia

0:41:080:41:13

by midnight.

0:41:130:41:15

Joining us now is John Bayliss -

0:41:150:41:17

who worked for Britain's electronic

intelligence agency for almost four

0:41:170:41:19

decades - and now lectures

on security threats.

0:41:190:41:23

When we get something like the

Sergei Skripal case will focus on

0:41:230:41:28

how many spies there are in the UK.

How does it compare to the height of

0:41:280:41:33

the Cold War do you think?

I would

say there are more spies now than at

0:41:330:41:40

the height of the Cold War. I think

we are looking at travelling

0:41:400:41:44

somewhere between 40 and 50.

Difficult to put an exact figure on.

0:41:440:41:48

The thing about spying is that

funnily enough we tell the Russians

0:41:480:41:53

how many spies we have a Moscow, we

do not call them spies but

0:41:530:41:58

intelligence officers and they

basically tell us how many

0:41:580:42:01

intelligence officers they have in

London and the tricky bit is working

0:42:010:42:04

out who is an intelligence officer

that they are not admitting to.

I

0:42:040:42:08

read about one Russian businessman

who knows that he's been followed

0:42:080:42:13

because he looks outside the shop

that he runs in London and some

0:42:130:42:17

locals were eating sunflower seeds

which Russian people from the

0:42:170:42:19

countryside he does well and quite

brazen in the fact that they were

0:42:190:42:23

watching him. What happens for the

spies here, do we follow them around

0:42:230:42:29

or how does that work.

Well I think

that in the day of the Cold War they

0:42:290:42:37

were restricted on their movements.

I think that has lapsed almost

0:42:370:42:42

completely now and they have fairly

free movement. Some of the people we

0:42:420:42:46

know about will probably be

followed. But there are too many of

0:42:460:42:50

them, we do not have enough people

any more to do that kind of thing.

0:42:500:42:54

We concentrate on terrorism and that

is where the bulk of the effort will

0:42:540:43:00

go almost certainly.

What are the

retaliatory options with UK, you

0:43:000:43:05

work that GCHQ and you understand

the cyber options. The risk could be

0:43:050:43:12

a trade war with perhaps unintended

consequences and presumably the

0:43:120:43:20

Russians would hit back in any kind

of cyber attack.

I think they are

0:43:200:43:26

already hitting, not hitting back

because they've been doing it more

0:43:260:43:30

than we have I would say. They would

be an option I'm quite sure to do

0:43:300:43:34

that but as you say where does it

end.

You think we need to get

0:43:340:43:40

tougher?

We probably do but what are

the options, I mean there are

0:43:400:43:48

sanctions, expelling diplomats, not

sending people to the football,

0:43:480:43:55

those are the kind of options you

have. There are limited options that

0:43:550:44:01

we have that we can bring into play.

Very good to talk to you, thank you.

0:44:010:44:08

Some surprising things, more spies

than at the height of the Cold War

0:44:080:44:13

and the options not great. England

are not going to the World Cup.

0:44:130:44:20

Maybe they would have been coming up

early anyway!

0:44:200:44:27

President Trump is

making his first visit

0:44:270:44:29

to California today -

there's not much love lost

0:44:290:44:31

between the White House

and the very Democratic state.

0:44:310:44:33

Politicians there are leading

the fight against the President's

0:44:330:44:35

policies, on everything from climate

change to immigration.

0:44:350:44:37

Last week, the administration filed

0:44:370:44:42

a lawsuit saying California

is saying its protections to illega

0:44:420:44:45

immigrants are unconstitutional.

0:44:450:44:46

Today the President tweeted:

Thousands of dangerous & violent

0:44:460:44:48

criminal aliens are released

as a result of sanctuary

0:44:480:44:50

policies, set free to prey

on innocent Americans.

0:44:500:44:52

THIS MUST STOP!

0:44:520:44:56

This trip Mr Trump

will examine eight

0:44:560:44:58

prototypes for a border wall.

0:44:580:45:00

A short time ago, I spoke

to California Attorney General

0:45:000:45:02

Xavier Becerra from Los Angeles.

0:45:020:45:10

Your state has the biggest economy

in the US. Is it strange that it has

0:45:100:45:15

taken the president this long to

visit California gas mark if you go

0:45:150:45:21

by past experience it definitely is

because most presidents from

0:45:210:45:25

Rosenfeld forward have always made

an effort to visit California and

0:45:250:45:29

not just early but often.

I'm not

sure why Donald Trump has waited so

0:45:290:45:34

long since you could learn so much

about what makes a nation

0:45:340:45:36

successful. Blah but only the

economic engine for the country but

0:45:360:45:41

the sixth largest economy in the

world close to passing Great Britain

0:45:410:45:46

is the fifth economic power in the

world.

Well maybe it is because you

0:45:460:45:50

are afraid democratic state and seen

by the supporters of Donald Trump is

0:45:500:45:56

the hotbed of the political

resistance in this country. He does

0:45:560:45:59

not like the politics of California,

as simple as that restaurant may be

0:45:590:46:06

is that he talks and we act, he

talks success and we show success.

0:46:060:46:10

All I know is that California

creates more jobs than any other

0:46:100:46:15

state, we are number one in

manufacturing, agriculture,

0:46:150:46:19

high-technology, hospitality,

entertainment. We graduate more

0:46:190:46:24

people from college than any other

state in the nation, a pretty good

0:46:240:46:27

record of success that I would hope

that every state would want to

0:46:270:46:31

emulate.

Are you concerned that the

president has the capacity to hit

0:46:310:46:35

back against Europe economic success

whether it is by building a wall

0:46:350:46:40

with Mexico, and he is looking older

types today over there by taking

0:46:400:46:45

action against Californian cities,

so-called sanctuary cities that

0:46:450:46:49

protect undocumented people living

in the country.

I believe that the

0:46:490:46:55

law will be on our side and not just

history, but the law. And I count on

0:46:550:47:02

the law and the institutions we have

in this country are strong. I

0:47:020:47:05

believe they can withstand the winds

from Washington, DC and Donald Trump

0:47:050:47:09

can say what he likes, it is whether

the federal government has the right

0:47:090:47:12

to do these things. So we will see

Donald Trump" whether on the border

0:47:120:47:18

wall for his attempts to coerce the

state of California to do his

0:47:180:47:22

bidding on immigration. We're not in

the business of deportation but of

0:47:220:47:31

public safety. And we are prepared

to abide by the law and that the

0:47:310:47:35

institutions of government prove how

and when Donald Trump can act.

You

0:47:350:47:41

say you're prepared to fight back

against some of the things that the

0:47:410:47:46

president is proposing, clamping

down on people who are in the

0:47:460:47:49

country illegally and particularly

on the prospect of building a wall.

0:47:490:47:54

But he is the President, what can

you do about that?

Well we cannot

0:47:540:48:01

stop him from doing those things

that fall within the province of the

0:48:010:48:06

federal government. We recognise

that. Immigration enforcement is a

0:48:060:48:13

federal responsibility but even with

immigration enforcement you must do

0:48:130:48:16

it according to the Constitution and

when Donald Trump tries to violate

0:48:160:48:21

peoples constitutional rights week

can step in and we have. And far

0:48:210:48:23

with proven that on many occasions

Donald Trump has violated the very

0:48:230:48:29

laws that he is supposed to enforce.

Dreamers, individuals, waiting for

0:48:290:48:34

status, one Donald Trump decided to

deport them, they're still here and

0:48:340:48:39

in fact the programme remains in

effect because of the court

0:48:390:48:44

challenge which instituted and we

got a nationwide injunction to stop

0:48:440:48:48

him from terminating the programme.

We'll see where we go on the border

0:48:480:48:54

wall for the but we will do what we

can to defend the rights of the

0:48:540:48:59

people of California and see where

that goes.

0:48:590:49:06

This is Beyond One Hundred Days.

0:49:060:49:07

Still to come.

0:49:070:49:12

What can I do for you.

0:49:120:49:15

Disney's new film

A Wrinkle in Time -

0:49:150:49:17

why it's a bittersweet moment

for the black woman who directed it.

0:49:170:49:26

Here, the Chancellor Philip Hammond

delivered an upbeat

0:49:260:49:28

assessment of the UK economy,

claiming there's "light at the end

0:49:280:49:32

of the tunnel" and hinting

at possible public spending

0:49:320:49:33

increases in the Autumn.

0:49:330:49:36

Mr Hammond delivered his Spring

statement saying growth

0:49:360:49:38

and employment were up -

but Labour accused the Chancellor

0:49:380:49:41

of ignoring a public

sector funding crisis.

0:49:410:49:44

Here's Laura Kuennsberg.

0:49:440:49:47

Is there anybody out there?

0:49:470:49:50

Number Eleven didn't want us to pay

that much attention.

0:49:500:49:53

No fuss, no frills.

0:49:530:49:55

REPORTER:

Do you have good

news today, Chancellor?

0:49:550:49:58

Only the Chancellor

slipping off to work.

0:49:580:50:05

But what was this, a cheery

Philip Hammond rushing to his place?

0:50:050:50:08

If there are any Eeyores

in the chamber, they're over there.

0:50:080:50:11

I, meanwhile, am at my most

positively Tigger-like today.

0:50:110:50:20

Not much has changed

from the world outside.

0:50:250:50:27

True, the economy will grow

a little bit faster.

0:50:270:50:29

The debt will start to fall, just.

0:50:290:50:30

The day-to-day deficit,

remember that, it's gone.

0:50:300:50:32

But compared to other countries,

the economy is sluggish and slow.

0:50:320:50:35

Spending will stay stay tight.

0:50:350:50:37

I do not agree with those who argue

that every available penny must be

0:50:370:50:41

used to reduce the deficit.

0:50:410:50:49

And nor do I agree with the fantasts

opposite who argue that every

0:50:490:50:52

available penny should

be spent immediately.

0:50:520:50:56

But Labour accused him of not

being in the real world.

0:50:560:50:59

Hasn't he listened to the doctors,

the nurses, the teachers,

0:50:590:51:01

the police officers,

the carers and even his own

0:51:010:51:03

councillors, they're telling him

they can't wait for the next budget.

0:51:030:51:06

They're telling him to act now.

0:51:060:51:16

Hard choices that will

linger long after today.

0:51:230:51:25

Along with the Brexit

bill, revealed to be

0:51:250:51:27

hanging around until 2064.

0:51:270:51:28

Spring has not yet really sprung.

0:51:280:51:30

Laura Kuenssberg, BBC

News, Westminster.

0:51:300:51:32

You're watching

Beyond One Hundred Days.

0:51:320:51:35

"Bittersweet" - that's how

the director of the new Disney film,

0:51:350:51:37

A Wrinkle in Time has described

becoming one of the first

0:51:370:51:40

African American directors to hold

a top spot at the U.S Box Office.

0:51:400:51:46

Ava Duvernay says "it's sad"

its only happened in 2018

0:51:460:51:48

after more than a century

of the industry existing.

0:51:480:51:50

Our reporter Chi Chi Izundu sat down

with her to discuss race,

0:51:500:51:53

inclusion and Times Up.

0:51:530:51:57

Your father has accomplished

something extraordinary.

0:51:570:52:03

Based on the 1962 fantasy

novel, a Wrinkle in

0:52:030:52:05

Time tells the story of a young

teenage girl whose

0:52:050:52:08

scientist father goes missing

and it's down to her to find

0:52:080:52:11

him and save the universe.

0:52:110:52:13

The only one who can stop it.

0:52:130:52:16

Is you.

0:52:160:52:20

Wrinkle holds the No 2 spot

at the US box office.

0:52:200:52:23

Start over.

0:52:230:52:25

And burn it all.

0:52:250:52:27

In at No 1 is the Marvel

epic Black Panther -

0:52:270:52:30

which has also just

0:52:300:52:31

surpassed the billion

dollar mark worldwide.

0:52:310:52:34

To the rest of the world.

0:52:340:52:37

Plus, it is the first

time in history that

0:52:370:52:39

two black directors

with

0:52:390:52:40

budgets over $100 million have ever

taken the top two spots at the

0:52:400:52:43

box office.

0:52:430:52:45

An achievement the Wrinkle director,

Ava DuVernay, has described

0:52:450:52:48

as bitter sweet.

0:52:480:52:53

They're amazing women

throughout history of cinema

0:52:530:52:55

who were black women, women

of colour, who should have had those

0:52:550:52:58

opportunities, but Hollywood

and the industry didn't give them

0:52:580:53:02

opportunities, so because Hollywood

has decided to give me the

0:53:020:53:04

opportunity, it doesn't have

to do anything with me.

0:53:040:53:06

It has to do with the time.

0:53:060:53:09

So it is bitter sweet when we hear

about these firsts happening

0:53:090:53:12

in 2018.

0:53:120:53:13

Do you think Hollywood's changed

towards people of colour

0:53:130:53:15

being forefront and centre of film?

0:53:150:53:19

Changing, not changed.

0:53:190:53:24

That is not the case.

0:53:240:53:25

But changing, I hope so.

0:53:250:53:27

That hope is turning into a reality.

0:53:270:53:30

Since the start of her career,

Ava DuVernay has insisted on a

0:53:300:53:33

diverse cast and crew.

0:53:330:53:34

Something other production

houses and actors

0:53:340:53:37

are now actively including

in their contracts.

0:53:370:53:47

A glacier arch in

Argentina has collapsed -

0:53:470:53:53

but this time it's not due

to climate change.

0:53:530:53:57

It's part of a cycle and means

tourists can see the spectacle

0:53:570:54:00

of huge chunks of ice falling off

the glacier every few years.

0:54:000:54:07

Let's take a look.

0:54:080:54:17

The Perito Moreno glacier.

0:54:220:54:28

It is like a video being rewound.

0:55:050:55:17

So I was having a look

through Twitter and found this -

0:55:190:55:22

taken at a chocolate factory.

0:55:220:55:29

Trump Junior apparent being

interviewed by some very serious

0:55:290:55:33

chocolate bunny reporters.

0:55:330:55:38

Trump Jr

was at Sarris Candies in Canonsburg,

0:55:380:55:40

Pennsylvania, for a campaign

stop with Rick Saccone,

0:55:400:55:41

the Republican congressional

candidate for Tuesday's special

0:55:410:55:43

election in Pennsylvania's 18th

District.

0:55:430:55:53

And he has responded in part.

0:55:560:56:01

President Trump's eldest son

appreciated the joke,

0:56:010:56:03

retweeting Rush's photo

and adding his own quip.

0:56:030:56:05

"The chocolate rabbit gave

a hard hitting interview

0:56:050:56:07

and was delicious

afterwards," Trump Jr

0:56:070:56:08

tweeted.

0:56:080:56:18

One of those really boring news

days! We will see you back here

0:56:200:56:29

tomorrow.

0:56:290:56:32