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Hello and welcome to CF99. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
Coming up tonight: Still no agreement between Radio Cymru | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
and the musicians - we'll hear from the director of BBC Wales. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
This is a complicated situation. It'll take some time to resolve. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:36 | |
We've heard from Cameron and Clegg. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
Tonight, the view from the backbenches of the coalition. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
Has the coalition been a success? What are the tensions? | 0:00:42 | 0:00:47 | |
Will it last for another two and a half years? | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
Joining us tonight are the Labour MP for Swansea East, Sian James, | 0:00:50 | 0:00:56 | |
the Plaid Cymru Assembly Member for Arfon, Alun Ffred Jones, | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
and the political commentator and former minister Rod Richards. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:04 | |
We'll discuss the dispute between the BBC and Welsh musicians in a moment. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:09 | |
But first to Westminster, where the coalition has arrived | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
at the midway point of the parliamentary term. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
We asked the Conservative MP Guto Bebb | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
to give his views on the government. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
In Wales, we're familiar with coalitions, but it's new in London. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
There are a number of questions to answer. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:38 | |
Has the coalition been a success? What are those successes? | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
What have the tensions been between the two parties | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
and is the coalition going to last for another two and a half years? | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
The priority was to stabilise the economy | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
and to make sure the Westminster Government could pay its way. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
In that sense, the last two years has been a success. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
But there have been failings, | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
in any coalition there will be difficulties. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
But what people want is stability in the economy. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:09 | |
Things like the Lords are small issues | 0:02:09 | 0:02:14 | |
in comparison to the success of the economy. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:19 | |
The challenge over the next few months will throw up | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
two difficult situations. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
We need to avoid another recession | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
because a triple dip would be a major disaster. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
We hope the figures show that there's still growth in the economy. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
The second issue is Europe. That is a very important issue. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:43 | |
It could create problems. Particularly within the Tory party. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:48 | |
Since the coalition was formed, people have questioned | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
whether it would survive the political time. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
There have been difficult times, | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
not least to the vote on the House of Lords. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
But I don't think anything has damaged the coalition. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
I see it lasting until 2015. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
What about the future? | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
We said if we deal with the debt, the electorate would thank us. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:19 | |
The opinion polls don't reflect that at the moment. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:24 | |
But the Tory vote it seems to be just 4% lower than in 2010. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:30 | |
That is not a terrible situation, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:35 | |
considering the big decisions we have been forced to make. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
We want to continue to grow the economy | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
and help improve the situation in the country. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
Rod Richards, are you surprised that the coalition | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
has survived relatively comfortably so far? | 0:03:52 | 0:03:58 | |
We saw the two leaders coming together a few days ago. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:06 | |
Before Christmas it looked as though the coalition | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
was starting to disintegrate. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
Nick Clegg was giving his own opinion and some Tory members | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
were also giving their own opinion which were not necessarily | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
in line with the coalition front. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
That has created some political uncertainty | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
and economic uncertainty. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
They came together a few days ago to say they are still as one. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
They are determined to stand together for another two years. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
But they don't really have a choice. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
An election now would be a disaster for both parties? | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
They wanted to show that political uncertainty | 0:04:43 | 0:04:48 | |
will not affect the economy. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
Only one thing will win the next General Election | 0:04:52 | 0:04:58 | |
for the Conservatives and possibly the coalition | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
and that is the economy. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
If they can't deliver just hope in terms of the economy, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:11 | |
they are in trouble. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
Sian James, it seems to me that Ed Miliband | 0:05:14 | 0:05:20 | |
has proved to be a lucky leader in a way. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
Can he take advantage of the fact the coalition is not so popular? | 0:05:24 | 0:05:31 | |
No, Labour has got to prove it has earned the right to be in power. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:39 | |
What worries me most is that while we have this love-in | 0:05:39 | 0:05:45 | |
between the two coalition parties, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
we are not concentrating on the bigger problems such as the economy. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:54 | |
Things have not worked out as they had promised. | 0:05:54 | 0:06:00 | |
They said that by now things would have improved. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
As we heard in the report, there could be a triple dip recession. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:10 | |
A lot of people in my constituency, in Cardiff | 0:06:10 | 0:06:16 | |
and across Wales are worried about the economy. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:21 | |
But just saying their recipe is not working is not going to be enough. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:29 | |
You have to come up with a solution yourself. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
We have got to focus on it, because people are suffering. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
We know that families in the current climate, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:43 | |
when we look at benefits and so on, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:50 | |
there are people facing difficult times. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:55 | |
A headteacher in my constituency | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
was told this week that she will lose her child benefit. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:06 | |
She will lose it and she will have to pay for childcare. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
she has lost it all. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
There's another house where two people are living in it | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
and they're earning £90,000. And they have lost nothing. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:28 | |
That is what's worrying people. How all this is affecting them. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:36 | |
The Labour Party charge-sheet is easy to put forward at the moment, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:41 | |
it is the fact the coalition is not popular going to be enough? | 0:07:41 | 0:07:48 | |
That is unlikely. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:54 | |
It is strange in one sense that the Tories | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
are still as popular as they are. Although they are unpopular, | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
they are not as unpopular as you would expect in this situation. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
But if the Liberal Democrats are losing votes to Labour, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:10 | |
Labour can benefit? | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
When we approach the election, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
the leaders will face far more difficult questions. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
I think context is important. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:26 | |
No matter who was in government, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
there were going to be significant cuts to public spending. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:34 | |
The fact is that Tories | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
said they would be out of this deficit by 2015. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:45 | |
They haven't achieved that, and that undermines their promises. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:51 | |
The big message was we are all in this together. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
In order for that message to be delivered, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
people must feel that the government's policies are fair. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:04 | |
That is the message Cameron and Clegg | 0:09:04 | 0:09:09 | |
have failed to deliver. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
The example of child benefit is an obvious one. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
Every policy is going to be unfair on some one. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
The objective is to make sure that you can help | 0:09:23 | 0:09:29 | |
as many people as possible. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
Sometimes people for just on one side or the other, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
but they have got to be cuts. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:42 | |
But they don't seem fair. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
You can mention the tax many large businesses have not been paying. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:54 | |
The government is tackling this in the G8 summit. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
All these issues are very important. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
Everybody has got to shoulder some of the burden. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
-Alun Ffred, we have to move forward. -We talk about this fairness, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:14 | |
and there is no doubt that there is a lot of animosity | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
towards the bankers and the whole economic industry. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
As well as a lot of people have made a lot of money | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
and they don't seem to be paying their share. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:32 | |
I include the large businesses who have been avoiding tax in that. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:37 | |
The important issue is trust. Do people have faith in the coalition? | 0:10:37 | 0:10:43 | |
I don't think that they do. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:49 | |
All the opinion polls say people do not have faith in the coalition. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:56 | |
That was the big message from the coalition. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
The Labour government left us in a complete mess. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
Thank you. We have to move on. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
Radio Cymru is still unable to play thousands of Welsh songs | 0:11:05 | 0:11:12 | |
as the dispute between Radio Cymru and Welsh musicians continues. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
It has affected the station's schedule and broadcasting hours. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
But what are the wider implications? Tomos Livingstone reports. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:25 | |
It is a familiar tune, but since New Year's Eve, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
the language has been different. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
There have been fewer pop songs and more hymns and English songs. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
But where is the Welsh language pop music? | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
Radio Cymru is unable to play thousands of songs | 0:11:47 | 0:11:53 | |
because musicians are calling for better pay and royalties. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:59 | |
We have received support from the public and many other agencies. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
They include poets, the Archdriud and a number of organisations. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:08 | |
They can see that the situation is unfair. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
We have only have that support since withdrawing all this music. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:17 | |
It also shows that the music is very valuable | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
than what PRS and the BBC thought it was. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
Until last year, the musicians were members of PRS, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
who represented them with the broadcasters. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:33 | |
But more than 300 of them moved to a new body called EOS. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
BBC Wales says EOS rejected a offer before Christmas | 0:12:37 | 0:12:43 | |
just days before the old contract came to an end. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
The fact Radio Cymru still hasn't reached an agreement is a problem. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:52 | |
EOS has received support from many prominent figures. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:57 | |
The row has turned very political. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
If this had happened in London, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
this would have been a nationwide story by now. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:08 | |
The fact that one of our national services is second rate | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
and can't supply the sort of service we would like to hear, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
which would attract young people, I think it is an embarrassment. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:23 | |
The Government needs to do something. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
For every day this dispute goes on, they lose listeners. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:33 | |
Radio Cymru, which has such a small audience, can't afford to do that. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:41 | |
EOS has put a new offer before BBC Wales, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
giving the corporation until tomorrow to respond. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
But the BBC says further talks are needed. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
Will they reach an agreement? | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
It is hard to believe some sort of deal will not be struck eventually. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:03 | |
But money makes the world go round. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
Earlier I spoke to the director of BBC Wales, Rhodri Talfan Davies, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:14 | |
and asked him why reaching a settlement has been so difficult? | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
This is public money, so it is vital that we reach a settlement | 0:14:19 | 0:14:25 | |
which is fair and sustainable. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
-Is there an agreement on the horizon? -I hope so. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
We held talks earlier this week and continued to do so | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
towards the end of the week, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:41 | |
but this is a difficult and complicated situation. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
I think it will take time to resolve. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
-Are we talking weeks or months? -I don't know. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
There are two sides, and I don't want to put a timetable on it. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:58 | |
BBC Wales is eager to reach a settlement as soon as possible. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:04 | |
There is also a third party, which is Radio Cymru listeners. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
People are working very hard to maintain the service, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
but it is not the same service as it was. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
I would like to pay tribute to the team at Radio Cymru. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
They have been working hard to maintain this service. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:25 | |
It is not the ideal service at the moment. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
But there are many parties that need to be represented. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:34 | |
As a public body, and during such a difficult financial time, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:39 | |
it is important that we reach a sustainable settlement. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
That is at the heart of our discussions. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
What is a fair price for these royalties? | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
You say these are difficult financial times, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
but S4C has managed to reach an agreement in the past. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:58 | |
S4C is an independent body, as you well know. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:03 | |
I don't know what was agreed was between S4C and Eos. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:09 | |
What's in front of us is a number of offers from Eos. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
We have also made a number of offers to Eos | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
which could increase the price of the royalties. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
This would acknowledge their cultural value. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
I think we have moved forward over the last few months | 0:16:22 | 0:16:27 | |
and I hope we can reach agreement in the near future. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
Some people say you could reach an agreement, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:35 | |
but that people in London are afraid that it might set a precedent. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:40 | |
I know it appeals to many to see this as a battle | 0:16:40 | 0:16:46 | |
between Wales and London. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
I lead the discussion on behalf of the BBC. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
I work very closely with my staff at BBC Wales, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
and I have got to make a decision. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
-Is it your decision? -Of course. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
There are many people involved in the discussions | 0:17:03 | 0:17:09 | |
but I will be accountable to the taxpayers in Wales | 0:17:09 | 0:17:15 | |
for the level of royalty that is set. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
I have to be certain that the level is fair and sustainable. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
But the situation in Wales is different. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
There are hundreds of radio stations which play English-language music. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
You can earn a lot of money, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:40 | |
but this is the only market for these musicians. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
I agree, there is a commercial value | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
but there is also a cultural value to these royalties. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
There is a unique situation here in Wales. We | 0:17:50 | 0:17:55 | |
have previously acknowledged that | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
and have offered what we believe is a fair price. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:03 | |
It was a lot more than has been paid in the past. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:09 | |
But this dispute goes back to 2006. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
That was when the money paid to musicians changed, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
because it encompassed music played in public and so on. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
This is what at the root of this dispute. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
I understand why musicians want more for their money | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
because that would fill that gap. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
My responsibility is to provide a fair price. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:37 | |
Alun Ffred Jones, what do you make of this? | 0:18:37 | 0:18:43 | |
It is very damaging for Radio Cymru and the BBC. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:49 | |
Although he said he is in charge of the discussions, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
there is no doubt that London has an influence. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
What makes you say that? | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
They are afraid to make an agreement outside PRS. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
The want to use just one body. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
The word used was fairness. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
These musicians are paid something like 50p per minute | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
on Radio Cymru, the national network they get around £6 a minute. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
Would members of staff at BBC Wales | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
except 12 times less than other staff members in the BBC? | 0:19:21 | 0:19:27 | |
Yes, but there are a lot more people listening to that radio station. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:33 | |
If we take that to the extreme, we should all be paid a lot less. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
We are being paid a lot less than what we should | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
but that is not happening. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:46 | |
That doesn't happen because there is such a thing as a fair price. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:51 | |
And that is what they are calling for. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
This is a very important source of income for many of them. | 0:19:54 | 0:20:00 | |
I think we have to find a fair price. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:06 | |
We have to decide whether Radio Cymru | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
and Radio Wales are our national stations | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
or is it just a regional broadcaster? | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
What worries me is that it suggests the BBC in London | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
doesn't appreciate what a Welsh-language service | 0:20:20 | 0:20:25 | |
means in Wales. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
This doesn't bode well for S4C either. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
Sian James, what do you make of this? | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
Do the musicians have a point? | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
Would you protest with them? | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
We have to be fair. Many of them are trying to make a living | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
and they need to earn money from us. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:49 | |
They have to have a fair price for their work. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:54 | |
What worries me most is that we are drawing attention | 0:20:54 | 0:21:01 | |
to the differences between us in Wales and England, or London. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:06 | |
I am worried what will happen as a result of this. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:13 | |
If we lose ground here, what else could we lose out on in future? | 0:21:13 | 0:21:21 | |
Rod Richards, you are a cynical on many issues, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
are you cynical about this? | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
If this music was more popular, more people would buy it | 0:21:28 | 0:21:33 | |
and they wouldn't have to rely on Radio Cymru? | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
I wouldn't say that. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
This is a classic dispute between producers and customers. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:46 | |
The value of anything is what someone is willing to pay for it. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:51 | |
As it happens, this is a unique situation for the BBC. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:57 | |
We can measure the value of this music because they can see how | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
many listeners they have while they are not playing the music | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
compared to what they had while they were able to play those songs. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
Otherwise it is like asking how long is a piece of string? | 0:22:09 | 0:22:16 | |
But the danger is, Rod, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
once you lose an audience it can be difficult to get them back. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:24 | |
If you look at the figures of S4C audiences, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
and what has happened with the Heno programme, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:33 | |
that programme has found it hard to get that audience back. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:38 | |
I don't agree with that. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
It is always possible to attract an audience back | 0:22:40 | 0:22:46 | |
if you have something worthwhile for them to listen to. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:51 | |
The truth is, I don't listen to Radio Cymru very often any more, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
I don't know what sort of effect it has on the Welsh language any more. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
When I was a young man, I used to listen to Galw Gari Tryfan. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:06 | |
If that came back, maybe I would listen to Radio Cymru again! | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
I don't think that included music! | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
I think this is an issue about people's interests. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
Are we broadcasting what people want to hear? | 0:23:17 | 0:23:22 | |
I have been asking people over the last few days to name a Welsh band. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:29 | |
And to name the last Welsh record they bought. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
The last thing my son bought was a song by Carlota 10 years ago. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:38 | |
The last record I bought was Sgrech by Crys in 2006. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:46 | |
That says more about you than it does about Sain though! | 0:23:46 | 0:23:52 | |
-But I don't even know what's available now. -Our time is up. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:58 | |
Ffred, that's all for tonight, we'll be back the same time next week. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:04 | |
For the time, thanks for watching. Good night. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 |