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We have come a long way from CF99 tonight. | 0:00:00 | 0:00:04 | |
We are in SW1 in Westminster. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
It's the politicians of this place who keep us company tonight. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:11 | |
Welcome to CF99 live from London this week. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:36 | |
Joining me tonight are Liberal Democrat Lord Roger Roberts, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
the MP for Llanelli, Nia Griffith and Jonathan Edwards, | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
the Plaid Cymru MP for Caernarfon East and Dinefwr. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
Welcome to all. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
Respect is a big word these days. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
The Welsh equivalent does not have the same ring somehow. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
When David Cameron became PM, he said it should be the foundation | 0:00:55 | 0:01:01 | |
for the relationship between Westminster and Cardiff Bay. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
Things haven't been that good. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
But to use the language of the street, | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
have the two governments been dissing each other? | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
Who better to ask that question than Betsan Powys. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:21 | |
Jones the First Minister and Jones the Secretary of State | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
shared the stage on Monday morning. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:36 | |
They said the respect agenda was still there live. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
You could see both men shaking hands talking of creating jobs. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:47 | |
But if the Respect agenda is still alive, how healthy is it? | 0:01:47 | 0:01:53 | |
Let us consider the evidence. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
The personality is that emphasised the need for respect | 0:02:04 | 0:02:09 | |
where David Cameron was concerned. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
He said that he respect devolution, the Welsh Assembly | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
and the Welsh people to make different decisions. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:21 | |
The Respect agenda to me really means something. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
I want there to be respect between the Welsh Assembly | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
and the Westminster Parliament. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
The former President said this was all talk. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
The lack of understanding between ministers in Westminster | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
and the Welsh government is clear to see. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
I think that Westminster is to blame for not taking things seriously. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:46 | |
They are not taking Wales seriously. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
David Cameron and David Jones are positive towards the Assembly. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
We want to see the Assembly being successful. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:59 | |
I definitely want to see the Assembly being successful. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
And the 'P' was soon challenged by the 'A'. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
The economic crisis brought the news that cuts would be made. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
It was feared that the cuts were too severe. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
There were fears that Wales was suffering worst than anyone else. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:26 | |
If there is a cut in benefits, then more people will be homeless, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:33 | |
where will the money come to help those? The Government of Wales. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:39 | |
Cheryl Gillan has come to Wales. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
Cheryl Gillan had a less than respectful welcome | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
when she first visited the Welsh Assembly. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
And her successor had the same welcome in Westminster. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
When the Prime Minister promised a Respect agenda, | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
did he mean trying to block Welsh Assembly legislation | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
abolishing wage protection for agricultural workers in Wales | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
and tearing up a cross-border GCSE exam system without consultation? | 0:04:06 | 0:04:11 | |
Can he even spell the word Respect? R-e-c-p-e-c-t by the way! | 0:04:11 | 0:04:16 | |
I am proud of the relationship that is forming between myself | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
and the First Minister. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
It's crucial that the two Governments are co-operating well. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:29 | |
We are trying to create a strong economy for Wales. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:37 | |
Hold on, what about the 'R'? | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
Consider the railways. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
The coalition's decision to spend over £1 billion | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
on the electrification of the line between Swansea and the valleys | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
was a sign of respect for the future economic opportunities for Wales. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
And lastly, 'Ch' and the temptation to play at politics. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:04 | |
This is what Labour are doing in Wales. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
They've cut health spending in Wales by £400 million. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:13 | |
That is a 6.5% cut. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
Carwyn Jones is the only Labour leader | 0:05:15 | 0:05:20 | |
in power in the British isles. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
He has a unique place within the Labour Party. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
He wants to be seen punishing the coalition in Westminster. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:33 | |
If something goes wrong here, it is easy for him | 0:05:34 | 0:05:40 | |
to say the fault lies at Westminster. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:45 | |
Talking about the Respect agenda suits everybody, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:51 | |
but undermining it can also be advantageous. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
So, the fight and the soundbite are more attractive | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
than working on co-operating. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
It is inevitable that there is a bit of theatre | 0:06:06 | 0:06:12 | |
when it comes to Prime Minister's Questions and so on, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
the First Minister can get up in the Assembly | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
and point the finger at Westminster. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
Yes, that happens. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
But I was disappointed that the Tory Secretary in Westminster | 0:06:27 | 0:06:33 | |
went to the Supreme Court to stop the Assembly | 0:06:33 | 0:06:39 | |
from legislating on by-laws. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
Then he said that this was bizarre. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
He had a lot of time to waste and this is a great disappointment. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:51 | |
Why did he not have faith in the Assembly? | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
I think this shows he has no respect at all. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:04 | |
Is there a difference between David Jones and Cheryl Gillan? | 0:07:04 | 0:07:09 | |
There was a bit of a distance between her and her electorates, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:15 | |
David Jones seems to at least be a part of Welsh political life. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:21 | |
I cannot forget the fact that he was on the Welsh Affairs Committee | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
which was opposed to devolution. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
He did not want to give Wales any power at all. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
I hope he can co-operate with the Welsh government | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
because this is very important. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
I hope that he won't repeat anything that he has done in the past. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:49 | |
It's inevitable they can co-operate when they agree on the point? | 0:07:52 | 0:07:58 | |
Electrification of the South Wales railways for example. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
Co-operating is easy when you agree. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
The problem is that parties don't agree very often with each other. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
I believe David Jones is a totally different animal to Cheryl Gillan. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:15 | |
She was an easy target being from the Home Counties. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
She was what you would expect from a Conservative government. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
-I think she had a feather hat as well! -I don't know about that. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:31 | |
David Jones represents a Welsh seat, he can speak Welsh, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
he understands the context of the Welsh argument. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness were like the Chuckle Brothers. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:46 | |
David Jones and the First Minister are like the Welsh chuckle Brothers. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
They have a lot of things in common. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
When we look at constitutional questions | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
and the question about where powers should live, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:04 | |
and where income tax powers should be formed, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
both are run the same path when it comes to that. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
Can I raise another point, Roger. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
The former Presiding Officer said | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
perhaps the system in Westminster forget about devolution at times. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:27 | |
They don't understand devolution. Do you think that's a problem? | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
I can remember when it came to the election for Police Commissioners | 0:09:30 | 0:09:35 | |
and they had printed ballot papers in English only. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:40 | |
They had forgotten about Wales. I'm not sure if this happens often. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:46 | |
I am glad that Jenny Randerson is deputy to David Jones. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:52 | |
She was in favour of Wales and the Welsh language. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:57 | |
It is a different issue when you talk about the Wales Office | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
and the other at larger departments in Westminster. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
I was listening to a discussion about the Staffordshire hospital | 0:10:04 | 0:10:09 | |
and I was listening to Cameron. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
He was just referring to England at all times. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:18 | |
You get the feeling sometimes when they talk about legislation | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
for England and Wales, that they have not considered Wales. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:28 | |
We can hear statements in Westminster and they all refer to England. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:34 | |
There are plans about a education in England and health in England | 0:10:34 | 0:10:42 | |
-and so on. -With obligations to Wales. -Yes. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:47 | |
I would hope that with Jenny's ministerial role | 0:10:47 | 0:10:52 | |
within the Cabinet that things will improve. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:59 | |
We should not make too much of it. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
Whitehall does not understand the Welsh context, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
they do not understand devolution. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
The Welsh government will work directly | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
with departments down here rather than go through the Wales Office. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
I don't think that the Wales Office is big enough to deal with Wales. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:22 | |
We discussed the marriage law this week, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
but they did not discuss the Church in Wales. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
It was as if they had forgotten about that completely. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:36 | |
They had no interest. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
When people explained it, they weren't interested. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:42 | |
It shows the Welsh government has to be considered equal. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:48 | |
Is it not more difficult in the current situation | 0:11:48 | 0:11:54 | |
than when Labour where in power in both institutions? | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
The Welsh government had sectors in power here. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
Carwyn Jones can't do that in the same way. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
They were friends, Rhodri Morgan had friends in Government. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
The situation is completely different. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
A Conservative government goes in a completely different direction | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
to what Labour does. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
But people in Whitehall need to consider what is happening elsewhere. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:30 | |
You also have governments in Northern Ireland and Scotland as well. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:37 | |
Some departments are aware that certain issues have been | 0:12:37 | 0:12:43 | |
devolved but others are not. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
Some find it very hard. This is the first time things have changed. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:53 | |
You can take NICE and health for example. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:58 | |
Jonathan, the best example of that was in the agriculture industry. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:04 | |
That was the talked about the situation in agriculture. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:09 | |
The minister in Cardiff Bay was trying to work on this. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
Alun Davies was doing something. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
He was trying to get something different for Wales. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
But he was stopped by the Tories. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
The only policy that seems to be coming from the Labour in Wales | 0:13:26 | 0:13:32 | |
is they want to blame Westminster for everything. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
They support a constitutional system. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
But they need to work with them in order to make sure policies | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
come forward that affect Wales. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
I don't say that I disagree with Jonathan. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:51 | |
Has the time of the Wales Office come to an end? | 0:13:51 | 0:13:56 | |
Is this a result of all this? | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
Would you agree with me, Jonathan? | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
The nature of the relationship between the countries | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
within the UK and central government is changing quickly. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
If you are 30 and thinking of getting married, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:15 | |
you could have more choice in future. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
A vote took place in Parliament last night | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
and the vote was in favour of same-sex marriage. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
This is the latest bill in a series of a period of nearly 50 years | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
which has changed gay relationships in the eyes of the law. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:33 | |
Elystan Morgan has been part of the legislation process | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
from the beginning. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
I spoke him in the House of Lords earlier. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:46 | |
Elystan Morgan, what is your reaction to this legislation | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
that will come to the House later on? | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
If this issue becomes law, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
then there will be far-reaching conclusions. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:05 | |
This question has already torn the Conservative Party in two. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:12 | |
The important thing about marriage is love and commitment. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:19 | |
There is something to be said in favour of this. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:28 | |
But others say you can call it whatever you like | 0:15:28 | 0:15:34 | |
but you should not call it a marriage in the traditional sense. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:40 | |
The civil partnership has been with us since 2004. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:45 | |
If I remember correctly, you voted against previous laws | 0:15:45 | 0:15:51 | |
but people have been proved wrong but things move on, don't they? | 0:15:51 | 0:15:59 | |
If I remember correctly, I did speak against it. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:04 | |
There is a danger that some people will be not only use this right | 0:16:04 | 0:16:10 | |
but it will put a lot of people under a lot of pressure. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:17 | |
To some extent, I was right. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:25 | |
And things have been far better than what I anticipated. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
Do you expect the Lords will try | 0:16:28 | 0:16:34 | |
and put barriers in place to stop this law? | 0:16:34 | 0:16:39 | |
No, I don't think so. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:44 | |
I would believe that a majority in the House of Lords | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
would be in favour of it. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
Do you believe it would go the same way? | 0:16:49 | 0:16:55 | |
I didn't vote. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
When the measure comes from the Commons to the House of Lords, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
then I believe I will vote in favour. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:07 | |
I felt last night that selecting the right words is very difficult. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:13 | |
I shouldn't really use the word 'different' | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
but it's hard to choose words. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
I felt that some people have been locked out of civil life | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
and the door was opened to them last night. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
Can I ask you as a minister, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
are you surprised by the reaction from different religious | 0:17:31 | 0:17:37 | |
denominations in Wales? | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
Many are very open to this | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
and believe it should be up to people to choose. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:48 | |
Are you surprised how liberal Welsh chapels have been on this issue? | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
I am not sure if they are all as Liberal. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:57 | |
I am sure I will see different views when I return home | 0:17:57 | 0:18:02 | |
but we must respect people's opinions. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:07 | |
It is a tradition in this place of love elsewhere. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:13 | |
It is worth doing. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
Anything that confirms love and supports love is worth doing. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:24 | |
I cannot remember another subject where the public opinion | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
seems to have changed so much over the decades. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
There has been a transformation. Why do you believe this has happened? | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
I think it's important that it has happened and it is nice to see | 0:18:39 | 0:18:44 | |
that people are so open and honest about this situation. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
I can remember when we had Section 28 and this was terrible. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:54 | |
People were afraid of saying if they were gay. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
It was important to stop homophobic bullying in schools. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:04 | |
I'm glad we have moved on. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
People have seen other people being open | 0:19:08 | 0:19:13 | |
and others have been encouraged to be open as well. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:19 | |
People have been very candid and this has helped people to accept | 0:19:19 | 0:19:25 | |
that they know people that are gay and the world has moved on. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:32 | |
I know you three agree on the subject. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:40 | |
Are you surprised by David Cameron's decision to take this forward? | 0:19:40 | 0:19:46 | |
Do you admire him for this or did he make a political mistake | 0:19:46 | 0:19:52 | |
by misreading the opposition in his own party? | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
I think there is a moral point behind this. | 0:19:55 | 0:20:00 | |
George Osbourne wrote in The Times saying | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
that this is part of the Tories' strategy to redefine their party. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
The Conservatives wanted to detoxify their image. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:12 | |
The first lesson you learn in politics | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
is to choose your battles. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
The Conservatives wanted to push the Respect agenda, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
but the big story from last night is that the Conservative party | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
was split it in two. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
Most of the Tory backbenchers voted against David Cameron last night. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:38 | |
They rebelled against the Party Whip. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:44 | |
It turned out yesterday that David Cameron | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
was voting against the majority of his own party. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
I have been thinking, Nia. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
Apart from thinking that this was the right thing to do, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
I don't know why he did it. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
It has raised questions about his leadership. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
It is important that you take people with you when you are a good leader. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
You have to work as a team and you unite people behind you. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:16 | |
That is going to be a problem for David Cameron now. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:21 | |
The party seems to be divided. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
He has not shown a lot of leadership for his party. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:29 | |
Every Conservative MP from Wales | 0:21:29 | 0:21:35 | |
voted against the Prime Minister last night. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
Speaking to them privately they were quite supportive of the measure | 0:21:39 | 0:21:44 | |
but they felt they were under pressure from the party in Wales. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:50 | |
This is a policy that was close to the hearts of your party. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
For you as a party, | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
this policy was close to your party's heart. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
Has Cameron strengthened the relationship with the Lib Dems? | 0:22:01 | 0:22:08 | |
We did not expect him to take this so far. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:15 | |
He didn't expect the reaction that he got from his backbenchers. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
139 voted against him. 134 or 135 in favour. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:24 | |
I do not know of a Prime Minister | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
that has been in a situation like this before. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
We all know that this topic splits the generations. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:36 | |
Conservatives tend to be older | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
so they are more likely to be opposed to this. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
Yes, I can see that. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
I am sure it is the same in the above parties as well. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:53 | |
Older people are more traditional, but we have to work together. | 0:22:53 | 0:23:00 | |
We have to make sure that this does not split society. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:06 | |
Some of us are in favour but some are not and we understand that. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:14 | |
The same with civil partnerships, people in time will accept it. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:19 | |
You are all in agreement, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
does this mean you will all share a Jaguar back to your homes? | 0:23:21 | 0:23:26 | |
Have you all travelled 100 metres in a Jaguar? | 0:23:26 | 0:23:33 | |
I do not think so. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
I cannot believe he used that for 100 metres. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
It takes more time to climb in and out again than to walk. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
Would you like a spin in a Jaguar? | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
I had a lift in one once from councillor Sian Thomas, | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
Carmarthenshire Council's Chairman. She gave me a lift to Trimsaran. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
That is all for this evening. Thanks to my guests and to you. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
There won't be a programme next week | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
but we will be back the following week in Cardiff Bay. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
Good evening. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
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