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Good evening and welcome to CF99 live from the National Assembly | 0:00:18 | 0:00:24 | |
in Cardiff Bay. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:25 | |
On tonight's programme - | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
David Cameron had just grown out of his short trousers in the early 90s | 0:00:27 | 0:00:32 | |
but Europe is still causing concern for his party. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
I am very sceptical of the relationship that we have now. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
We need a referendum and we need a discussion. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
And why does this golden haired boy want to change the Assembly's name? | 0:00:41 | 0:00:48 | |
I'm joined by former First Minister Rhodri Morgan, | 0:00:48 | 0:00:53 | |
the Liberal Democrats' head of communications, Myrddin Edwards | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
and Bethan Kilfoil, a reporter with RTE from Dublin. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:03 | |
Welcome to all three of you. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
Later, someone who you have seen on the news, Glyn Davies. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:12 | |
Back in the early 90s, a mobile phone looked like a brick, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:17 | |
the age's miracle was a fax. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
And young people used to dance madly to acid house music in fields. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:26 | |
But some things haven't changed. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
Dafydd Iwan is still threatening to hold his last concert | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
and the Tories are still arguing over Europe. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
There was no raves nor Dafydd Iwan for the young Tomos Livingston, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
he was busy swatting constituency statistics in his bedroom! | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
Tonight, he looks into the archives to consider whether the 90s arguments | 0:01:43 | 0:01:48 | |
still ring true today. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
Who remembers the battles and the arguments of 20 years ago? | 0:01:51 | 0:01:56 | |
We believe in the United Kingdom, and I promise you we will fight | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
for the United Kingdom. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
It's possible that even Conservative MPs had forgotten | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
who were at the top of the charts or who won the Grand National. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:34 | |
But one thing that continues to cause debate, Europe. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:39 | |
Europe is very important for the Conservative Party. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:44 | |
People believe soundly in Britishness. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:49 | |
You could argue that some within the Labour Party | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
don't believe strongly in Britishness, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
but you also have strong left-wingers who believe strongly | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
in Britishness and don't believe in Europe. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
The Maastricht Treaty nearly tore John Major's government apart. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:10 | |
But it was the image that the Tories spent time | 0:03:10 | 0:03:15 | |
on a constitutional subject that did the most damage. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:20 | |
David Cameron was in the background at the time. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
He was working for the Chancellor, Norman Lamont. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
He hoped to change his party's views. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:31 | |
The backbenchers only quietened for the time being. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:40 | |
Following the general election, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
they have not been doing anything to keep things quiet. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:49 | |
The Tories agree that there is a need for a referendum, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
everyone accepts that. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
David Cameron and even Douglas Caswell agrees on that. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
The difference is we have a coalition. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
Half the coalition, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
or the smaller part of it, is not in favour of this. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
The differences between the Liberal Democrats | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
and the Conservative Party. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
The Conservative Party is more Euro-sceptic now than in 1992. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:20 | |
But why is there such an obsession when opinion polls show | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
the general public are more interested in other things? | 0:04:24 | 0:04:30 | |
The Conservative Party is more an Euro-sceptic, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
because there is more evidence by now, 20 years later. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
More evidence that Europe is not working in the way | 0:04:36 | 0:04:42 | |
the leaders of this country had hoped it would. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
Will there be an escape for David Cameron? | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
The Prime Minister hopes there is some electoral advantage from this. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
The Welsh Labour Party says we do not need a referendum at all. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:05 | |
There is always a case of a negotiating the UK's position | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
in the EU and influencing the EU. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:16 | |
Why would we want to support a referendum which may lead | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
to people losing billions of pounds in Wales? It doesn't make sense. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:25 | |
Some may argue that the political wheel has turned. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
Their party is more united than in John Major's time. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
But will Europe excite the voters in the next election, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
or is it a question from the past? | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
Tomos Livingston. Were you longing for those voices | 0:05:45 | 0:05:50 | |
which you use to report on before? | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
It made me feel old. Things haven't changed much, have they? | 0:05:54 | 0:06:01 | |
The arguments about Europe | 0:06:01 | 0:06:08 | |
and within the Conservative Party are still there. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:14 | |
There was a period of fighting over Europe in the early 1990s. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:20 | |
It happened within the Conservative Party in Westminster. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:26 | |
Margaret Thatcher came to Brussels to fight her corner. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:32 | |
We couldn't see it in the European Parliament. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
Margaret Thatcher was a big character, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
but by the time John Major came to power | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
most of the battles to a place in Westminster rather than Europe. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:48 | |
I know that you remember the time well. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
All this argument made John Major look weak. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
He looked like he was being blown in every direction. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:02 | |
He was a prisoner to his party and the Euro-sceptics within the party. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:08 | |
It was a government that didn't have a big majority. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:15 | |
The European Commission realised he did have problems | 0:07:15 | 0:07:23 | |
and that he had to perform and say certain things | 0:07:23 | 0:07:28 | |
because of the situation. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
He was acting one way in Brussels and in the European Union | 0:07:32 | 0:07:38 | |
and then acting in a different way when they went back to Britain. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:43 | |
He was a prisoner of his own circumstances. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:50 | |
Can you understand, talking to Conservatives that time | 0:07:50 | 0:07:55 | |
and people in Europe, do people in Brussels | 0:07:55 | 0:08:01 | |
understand why this Euro-sceptic wave has continued | 0:08:01 | 0:08:09 | |
when it seemed to have disappeared in other countries? | 0:08:09 | 0:08:16 | |
Opinion polls show there has been an increase in Euroscepticism | 0:08:18 | 0:08:25 | |
in a number of countries. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
Ireland has benefited a lot from Europe over the years, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
but the people of Ireland have voted against European agreements. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:40 | |
They voted against the Nice and Lisbon Treaty is in recent years. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:50 | |
They have voted against them twice. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:56 | |
There are strong feelings in a lot of countries, not just Britain, | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
but the feelings are much stronger in Britain. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
We have much stronger Euro-sceptics in Britain. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
How do you think Brussels will react | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
when it hears this promise of a referendum? | 0:09:10 | 0:09:15 | |
They are dealing with Cyprus and Spain and Portugal | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
and the economic situation there. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
Are there some that will have had enough of Britain? | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
That is the general feeling. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
Britain has caused a great deal of problems for Europe in the past. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
You have a strong relationship between France and Germany, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
and you have Britain on the sidelines once again. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:42 | |
That is the feeling. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
The Conservatives once again fighting over Europe. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:50 | |
Thank you for joining us. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
If I can turn to you, Rhodri Morgan, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
you were a representative of the European community, | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
as it was known at the time. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
Why do you believe this Euroscepticism | 0:10:04 | 0:10:10 | |
has continued with the Conservatives, mostly in the right-wing sector, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
but it appears to be going throughout? | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
We saw this at its worst during the debate on the Maastricht Treaty. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:25 | |
There was a lot of physical battles in those days. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
Rod Richard had to push Walter Sweeney to vote with him, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:33 | |
but then I had to push Rod Richards out of the way. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:38 | |
I thought I had a right to do that | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
because I lived in Walter Sweeney's constituency at the time. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:46 | |
Those were the old days, 20 years ago. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:51 | |
Things have become much worse. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
The psychology of the backbenchers has changed. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
Around 50 rebels were involved in 1993, | 0:10:57 | 0:11:02 | |
now there are over a hundred. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
I remember the vote on the referendum on the measure. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:12 | |
They were people who wanted a referendum now not in five years. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:17 | |
There were 89 rebels two years ago. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
I spoke to them later and they said | 0:11:21 | 0:11:26 | |
that was the most important rebellion since the Norway vote | 0:11:26 | 0:11:31 | |
which led to Winston Churchill coming in as Prime Minister. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:38 | |
There were 40 rebels that time. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
It was enough. It was enough because it caused the fall | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
of Neville Chamberlain's government. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
But David Cameron has yielded ground to these rebels. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:58 | |
Yes, but you are much more prepared to rebel against the whip now | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
than people were before. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
The psychology now tells you that rebellion is more popular. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:13 | |
I was under the impression that this was to do with | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
the constituency boundaries changing, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:23 | |
so it is not going to happen now, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
but people want to prove that they are better MPs. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:31 | |
But that isn't going to happen now but the psychology has changed. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
The more Euro-sceptic you are, the more popular you are, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
and the more likely you are to be chosen as their representative. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:46 | |
Glyn Davies, we heard you on the news programme earlier | 0:12:46 | 0:12:51 | |
saying you didn't understand why this was happening. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
David Cameron has given these people what they want, | 0:12:55 | 0:13:01 | |
but 130 of them have gone through this again. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
What's odd is that all these 130 MPs | 0:13:04 | 0:13:09 | |
just want what we I want and what David Cameron wants. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:16 | |
The message will be going to the European Union | 0:13:16 | 0:13:22 | |
that Cameron wishes to save the relationship between us and the EU. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
But I'm not sure what was behind it. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
How much damage will this do for the party? | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
If people believe the party is split | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
then people will not have any faith in the party? | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
Everyone knows that I'm not happy about what has happened. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:52 | |
I didn't want to see an amendment on the Queen's Speech. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:58 | |
I didn't think it was something we should do as Conservatives. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:05 | |
But this has happened. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
More people voted in favour of the amendment than I expected. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:15 | |
It is a strong message, but I am not sure what the message is. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:23 | |
It is a message for the European Union. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
We all want to have this referendum. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
Perhaps the message was if the Conservatives | 0:14:30 | 0:14:35 | |
believed they will win a majority, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
they would accept David Cameron's word. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
But a significant amount believes there will be | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
another hung parliament and this vote is to tell David Cameron | 0:14:45 | 0:14:50 | |
to realise that this is the red line that he must not yield on? | 0:14:50 | 0:14:56 | |
Personally, this shows weak leadership in David Cameron. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:03 | |
He has given in on this far too easily. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:08 | |
What are they going to ask for next? | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
The Conservatives work better when they work in a pack | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
and they are faithful to the party. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
Things are looking very shambolic at the moment. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
I was watching Prime Minister's Questions yesterday, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
Nick Clegg had an opportunity to differentiate and show | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
what the Liberal Democrats believed. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
As Liberal Democrats, we are happy. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
Labour seem to be happy arguing with the Conservatives, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
but Nick Clegg replaced David Cameron today | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
and show that we as Liberal Democrats believe | 0:15:40 | 0:15:46 | |
the foundation blocks of the coalition are most important. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
This issue is taking away from matter. | 0:15:54 | 0:16:00 | |
Is there a danger that the affect of this on the public | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
will make them unhappy with the Conservative Party, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
but also unhappy with politicians in general? | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
People are concerned about their jobs and the NHS and hear the politicians | 0:16:12 | 0:16:17 | |
talking about Europe again. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
If you are unhappy with politicians, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
then the most likely thing you will do is vote for smaller parties | 0:16:24 | 0:16:30 | |
such as UKIP. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
They are seen as anti-politics, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
but they are even more obsessional about Europe. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:41 | |
I can't see how you can make any sense | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
out of that circle. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
That is what is happening at the moment. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
They wanted to kick the traditional parties, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:57 | |
and then they moved to these other parties. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:02 | |
UKIP are obsessed about Europe. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:10 | |
Glyn, do you believe that the fear of UKIP is what is behind all of this? | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
I think they have had an effect. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
At the next general election in 2015, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:23 | |
people will be looking at who has offered the referendum. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:28 | |
Perhaps they will vote for UKIP or to get a referendum, the Tories. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:35 | |
Do you believe that it's true or do you believe that Ed Miliband, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:41 | |
sooner or later, will make a promise for the Labour Party? | 0:17:41 | 0:17:46 | |
He has avoided the question so far. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
They cannot accept the government message. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
The government has conditions connected to this promise | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
of a referendum. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
Cameron says he wants to renegotiate Britain's place in Europe. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:05 | |
It's only after all these dealings take place | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
that a referendum would be held. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
We do not know what the terms would be. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
If Cameron started that process now, then we would have a better idea | 0:18:15 | 0:18:21 | |
about whether things are heading in the right direction. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:31 | |
There would be a situation then, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
and we would know that it would make sense to hold a referendum. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:40 | |
But he has said this will not happen until after the next election, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
and that he must still be in power at the time. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
We have to remember that the government has legislated | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
to make sure if there is any change, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
then we must hold a referendum. | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
We have many advantages of being part of the union in Wales | 0:19:00 | 0:19:07 | |
and I personally would like to stay in the EU. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:12 | |
What should we call this place? Decent suggestions only! | 0:19:12 | 0:19:18 | |
The name of the establishment is the National Assembly of Wales. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:23 | |
But during Welsh Questions at the House of Commons, | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
the MP for Lichfield called for a change. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
In the light of the Silk review, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
which is likely to give fundraising powers to the National Assembly, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
does he not agree with me and with the leader of the Welsh Tories | 0:19:36 | 0:19:43 | |
that now is the time to start considering calling it | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
the Welsh Parliament? | 0:19:47 | 0:19:52 | |
The Silk Commission has not yet completed its work, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
it will be reporting next year. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
The title National Assembly is one that is used | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
by the primary legislators of countries | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
like France and South Africa and by the regional legislators for Quebec. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:12 | |
The issue is what the legislator does and not what it is called. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
I don't think we can call that a slap to RT Davies, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:22 | |
the leader of the Welsh Tories, but it was not far from that. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
That sounded very much like Andrew RT Davies, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
She came up with the idea last summer. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
I happen to see the Welsh Secretary coming in | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
when that question was asked. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
She had said no at the time. He said no just then. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
I would rather Andrew RT Davies and David Jones | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
work together so we can see the recommendations | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
of the Silk Commission coming through. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
Does it matter? | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
No, I would like to know what Glyn Davies thinks. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:03 | |
He is one of the few people | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
who have crossed from the Assembly to Westminster. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
There are two others, Alun Cairns and David Davies. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
Tory members of Parliament are much more devolution sceptic | 0:21:14 | 0:21:21 | |
than the Conservative members in the Assembly. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:27 | |
It seems to be a split. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
Conservatives tend to be devolution sceptics, | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
anything that sounds like an increase in status or power | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
or prestige, they will want to diminish. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:45 | |
The same can be said about Europe. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
They want a House of Commons that has control over everything. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:58 | |
Perhaps you could say the same for Labour MPs and Labour AM? | 0:21:58 | 0:22:04 | |
Glyn, does it matter? | 0:22:04 | 0:22:09 | |
It doesn't matter that much if Assembling members | 0:22:09 | 0:22:15 | |
wanted to have a new name, then they should vote on it. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:21 | |
If they use the word Parliament, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
I'm sure it would catch on and other people would call it that as well. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:31 | |
People will use whatever name we give it. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:37 | |
Rhodri Morgan was the one who decided we would call it | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
the Welsh government rather than the Welsh executive. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:47 | |
We also changed the terms Secretaries to Ministers. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:53 | |
No-one in Wales understood the term, Secretary. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
No-one understood what First Secretary meant | 0:22:57 | 0:23:03 | |
or what the terms Secretary of this and that, meant. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
But they did understand the term, Minister. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
They have changed the terms in Scotland to Secretaries, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
so they change from time to time. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
I did not phone Tony Blair to ask for permission. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:24 | |
I did it and people were happy with it. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:29 | |
Did Tony Blair say anything about it? | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
No, I don't think so. I think the biggest devolution sceptics say | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
I played a big part in legislation, but there is nothing | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
in the constitution to say you should use the term Prime Minister. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:46 | |
The correct title is First Lord of the Admiralty. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:52 | |
The term, Prime Minister was a little bit insulting. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
I decided that we needed a First Minister in Wales. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:02 | |
We'll have to leave it there. That's all for this evening. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
We will be back with CF99 at 10pm next week. Good evening. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:12 |