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Good morning folks! Welcome to the Daily Politics. We have been doing

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this for 10 years. It's my first day back at the coal-face here at

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Westminster. So it's a Happy New Year from me!

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Yes, of course I've already been here for two days! Some would be

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talking about shirkers and strivers! Anyway, today's top

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stories! Huge changes are being planned to

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the way prisoners are supervised after they get out of jail. Private

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companies may take over from the probation service for all but the

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most dangerous offenders. And they'll be paid by results.

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The actor, Geoffrey Palmer, will be taking a look at plans to stick a

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high-speed railway through the heart of the Cotswolds where he

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lives. And guess what? He's none too keen.

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It's the first Prime Minister's Question Time of the New Year of

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course! So stand by for the resumption of political hostility

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that we've all so sorely missed over the season of good will.

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And, it's happy birthday to us! Yes the Daily Politics is 10 years old

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this week! We'll be looking back at some of the highlights of the last

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decade. And, like all 10-year-olds, throwing an enormous strop if the

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cake and presents aren't good enough.

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All that in the next hour and a half. Prime Minister's Questions is

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at noon of course. And joining us throughout today's programme is the

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Treasury Minister, Sajid Javid, and the shadow Secretary for Work and

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Pensions, Liam Byrne. But first, today the Government's

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telling us how it plans to make private companies take over the

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supervision of most ex-offenders once they leave prison. The role of

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the traditional public probation service will be scaled back and it

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will now only deal with the most violent of them. The new companies

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will be paid by results, in an effort to reduce the hundreds of

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thousands of crimes currently committed each and every year by

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prisoners who have just got out of jail. This was the Justice

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Secretary, Chris Grayling, earlier this morning.

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Very often people walk out of the front door of a prison, �46 in

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their pocket. Either with no support, or with the Probation

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Service in a few days. I want them going straight on to a new rehab

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course, if that is what they need, or if they dropped out of school.

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We start to help them get their lives back together again.

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Has the Probation Service failed to do its job properly? I wouldn't put

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it like that, but if you look at the reoffending rate as a country,

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it is probably one of the worst in the world. It is almost 50% of

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people in terms of all prisoners released. If you look at people

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convicted for 12 months or less, it is as high as 60%. It is

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unacceptable, so we have to look at better ways. What Chris has talked

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about, and the former Justice Secretary talked about, is have

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rehabilitation, and these things we should be looking at. On those

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figures, you would argue they have not done their job, or you wouldn't

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be looking at this radical new approach? It would be unfair to say

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it is all to do with the Probation Service. We have to look at new

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ways of doing things. That means widening the scope of people who

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can provide rehabilitation services, bring in the private sector and

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charities. Also this approach of payment by results. Let's look at

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payment by results. Why do you think that it will do a better job?

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It sets the right incentives. If you get charities and private

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sector groups involved, given the right incentives they can bring

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about results in the criminal justice system we will be looking

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for. They will get paid. It is a bit like the work programme put in

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place. It has been criticised formed failing to meet its own

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modest targets. Are these the sort of models you want to emulate?

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is not fair. The work programme has just come into place. Then there is

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800,000 people on it. It is bringing results. Let's look at the

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reoffending rate so. It is even worse than you said. 90% of those

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sentenced in England and Wales in 2011 had offended before. There

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needs to be a rethink? Payment by results is an answer that can work.

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What troubles us about this announcement is it is a bit of a

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big bang approach to something that is high risk. Chris Grayling has

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shut down a couple of important pilots. He has gone straight for

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this kind of model, that he, as the minister put in place on the work

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programme. It failed disastrously. The Government set its own minimum

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performance standard at the work programme, with people needing to

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be got into jobs. Only two people out of every 100 got into jobs.

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you backing the idea of the versifying... The theory can work.

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It is the practice. The devil is in the details and Chris Grayling has

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a track record as a dodgy builder. Be very, very cautious about this.

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Cancelling the pilots in the way we saw this morning is a mistake.

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Proceed with caution. Let's go to harry Fletcher, who has been

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listening to this, he is from the union that represents probation

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staff. I'm not sure how much you heard about that, but let's look at

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reoffending rates, because it was brought up by the minister. In 2011,

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90% of those sentenced in England and Wales had offended before.

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Doesn't this show the Probation Service as it stands has failed?

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Ministers are confusing prisoners who got 12 months or less with

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prisoners to got 12 months or more. Anybody under 12 months does not

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get any assistance. The fact Chris Grayling has said this morning, in

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future they will get assistance. The bad news is, the decision to

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outsource two thirds of existing probation work, when the Ministry

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of Justice's own statistics show that last year, we were set about a

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dozen targets and we exceeded or hit absolutely everyone of them,

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including reducing reoffending by the amount required by the Ministry

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of Justice. The Probation Service has already been in receipt of

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awards for excellence. The timing of this is bizarre. We have a

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public sector organisation that is doing very well. But it is being

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punished by the threat of privatisation. Why would you be

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outsourcing on the basis of those results? It is nice to hear Liam is

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welcoming the theory of this. so Harry's point. They have just

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received an award for excellence and being touted abroad as a public

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service to follow. The reoffending rate say it all. We need to look at

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a new way of doing this. It is only sensible to look out new providers,

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and frankly, have a bit of competition. There is nothing wrong

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with competition in public services. If it leads to new ideas, it is a

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good thing. Better results is a good thing, and value for money is

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good as well. If the proposal was that Probation Service should work

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in partnership with the private sector, we already work in

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partnership with the private sector with tagging, that would be OK. But

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they want to outsource two thirds of the work. And probation trusts

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won't be able to bid for bat, it is a private sector monopoly. We have

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spoken to the Ministry of Justice who has said you will be able to

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bid for the work. If you are going to be able to bid for the work

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alongside other providers, it is a level playing field? I want to see

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the detail. Before Christmas I was being told quite clearly that the

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probation trust wouldn't be able to bid for the work because it would

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put public money at risk. If there has been a reversal, it is good

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news. But we need to see the detail before we can announce further. If

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this is a fair competition, and in the past competitions in the

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justice sector has not been fair, Prison Service, maintenance

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contracts, outsourcing of bail beds, that would be a different matter.

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But our experience has been the actual process of competition is

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not fair. What about the idea of payment by results, what do you

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think about that? It would work if we were in a situation where the

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economic climate it is very positive. The best way of getting a

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criminal out of crime is to get them into work. The problems we

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have is the vast majority of the people we deal with are illiterate.

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They have problems with drugs and alcohol and they have more than two

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mental health issues. We have to deal with those problems first.

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Then we can look at pat ways to work. But there aren't the jobs out

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there and if 50 people applied for one job and five of them are

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criminals, I know who won't be shortlisted. That is the difficulty.

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How do you measure a result if you pay someone? Is it someone who

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comes out of prison never has to reoffend again and the company get

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paid? Or do you cut the number of re offences, bearing in mind people

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reoffend many times. How do pay the company? Part of the reason for

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this announcement and the consultation as a result of that,

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is to look at these ideas and get him put on this. But reoffending is

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one of the measurements. If you can get that down, it is key. The.

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Harry made, I am glad he is welcoming competition. In needs to

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be a level playing field. But also, as Harry said, up until now, people

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that have been convicted for less than 12 months have not received

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any rehabilitation help. But that wasn't the role of the Probation

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Service. It is good to see the Government will include such people.

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If we are going to get the reoffending rate down, we need to

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include all offenders. Well, there were furious exchanges in the House

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of Commons yesterday as MPs debated whether or not to cap increases to

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benefits and tax credits to less than the level of inflation.

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In other words, a real-terms cut. The Government won the vote,

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insisting that it would be unfair to people who work hard and who

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have seen their own pay hardly rising, if they did anything else.

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Here's Jo. The Government's victory last night

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means that most working-age benefits and tax credits will now

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increase by 1% every year up to 2015. Because inflation is expected

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to be considerably higher, that'll mean a real-terms cut for people

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receiving payments including jobseeker's allowance, income

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support and maternity pay. The Work and Pension Secretary, Iain Duncan

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Smith said the move was fair because it brings the increase in

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benefits closer to the rise in average earnings, which was 1.4%

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last year. Mr Duncan Smith says he believes that this will all save

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the taxpayer as much as �2 billion a year by the end of the Parliament.

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Which is essential if the Government is going to cut the

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welfare bill, which is �195 billion and projected to keep on rising.

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Labour opposed the move in angry scenes in the Commons, arguing that

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by the Government's own admission it would hit women, single parents

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and disabled people. Let's take a look at some of last night's debate.

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If you look at it over the period since the beginning of the

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recession, payments for those in work have risen by about 10% and

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for those on benefits have risen by 20%. What we're trying to do over

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the next few years, get that back into a fair settlement and

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eventually it will go back on to inflation. We want to create and

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hand back society, not a handout society. It does not help those on

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lower earners by cutting taxes and recycling their hard-earned money

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on benefits. It is not Britain's millionaires picking up the tab, it

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is working families. This is a 'The Strivers Tax Bill, pure and simple.

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What would he say to the policeman in my constituency... Is it fair

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that people out of work have seen their benefits go up by 5.2%. My

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salary has been frozen when I risk my life every day. That is what

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this bill is about. I am ready to say what we did wrong, I have not

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heard a word to say what they have done wrong. It is intolerable to

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blame the unemployed for their poverty and our deficit. That is

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why I'm voting for the amendment and against this rotten bill.

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Bill is part of a war waged by the rich, who are doing all they can to

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divide individuals answer communities against each other. It

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is a reckless and dangerous measure which is likely to be massively

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counter-productive and destabilise already struggling groups in

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society and push them into greater despair and desperation.

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billion over this Parliament of savings have been opposed by the

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opposition. It is equivalent of adding another �5,000 of debt for

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every working family in the country. We hear much about taxing the rich,

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yet in this Parliament, the richest will pay more in tax than under any

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single year of the previous Government. More tax on capital

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gains, more stamp duty, is available to avoid and have a tax

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and more when they take out their pension policy.

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That gives you a flavour Abbott was A lively debate. Sajid Jafid, the

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Chancellor at the Tory conference talked about people getting up

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early to go to work and passing by houses where curtains were drawn,

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people were asleep, living on benefits. He obviously didn't like

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that. It was an implication of exiefrz, so why on the changes have

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-- skivers, so why on the changes have you made people will be poorer

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and the year after that �534 poorer? Firstly, in those working

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families, they would only be poorer if you looked at the changes in

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isolation and that wouldn't be right. Those are library figures

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and net figures. It isn't. I have to confirm what he has said. These

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are for the �280 worse off that is from the House of Commons Library,

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which I've looked at and that includes the personal allowance and

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the figure of �534 worse off is from the Institute of Fiscal

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Studies and includes the rise in the personal allowance. You'll find

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it only includes a change in the personal allowance that was

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announced in the Autumn Statement. It does not include the change in

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the personal allowance. It includes all. There is also the VAT increase

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going up. There's a council tax freeze. There is change in fuel

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duty. On the tenth anniversary I was going to do my homework.

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sure you do that. These include the personal allowance changes, which

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do help, overall these families who you are talking about, walking past

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the curtains of those who are supposedly not going to work, they

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will be worst off? Well, I know you always do your homework. I've done

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mine, but we won't get into that. The figure I have is the average

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family will save because the personal allowance changes. �594,

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for all the changes in the entirety a year. That is a significant

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saving and then you have a council tax freeze and the increases in

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fuel duty that did take place. There are other changes taking

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place in the tax and benefits system that are helping working

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families and we have to look at them in the round. There is a wider.

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The tax credit system, which was part of the changes debated

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yesterday was so widespread that under the previous government nine

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out of ten families with children were receiving some kind of tax

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credit. Nine out of ten families, that is. With universal credit a

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lot less people will receive the benefits in their entirety, a lot

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less families, but it will be targeted at people that need the

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help and set up in a way that those families will be better off by

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taking a job. So you can't have a system of welfare where nine out of

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ten are receiving tax credits. We have changed that. It will be six

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out of ten. We have got to have a welfare system that is better spent

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and better targeted towards families. Can we establish that

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these working families that the Chancellor was so keen to support,

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as a result of the changes in yesterday's Bill, they will be

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worse off? You can't have changes to the welfare system when tax

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credits are such a big chunk, to which tax credits, as the system

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has been set up, go to working families, without having an impact

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on those recipients. The Chancellor is hitting the person walking in

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street and the ones behind the curtains who are not working? He

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has hit both, hasn't he? We are having a big change to welfare.

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That was the importance of the Bill yesterday to try to bring about

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savings and it's affected families both on tax credits and JSA.

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does Labour support a 1% cap on people who go to work in the public

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sector, but not a 1% cap for those who are getting benefits? Because

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we set the 1% cap sudden be an average. So for those at the very

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top of the income spectrum, we have said they shouldn't get a rise at

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you will. Sure, but they're not. For those at the very bottom, there

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should be an exemption. We always said there should be a value for

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the public sectors under �21,000 and that's why you have Labour

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councils introducing living wages for Dinnerladies and teaching

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assistants, those who are paid the very least. 1% on average. A lot of

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people in the public sector and protection for those at the bottom.

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Even so, if I can give you the figures from recent years, if you

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look at the benefit rises. Take 2009. Benefits up 5%, pay went up

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1.5%. 2010, benefits 1.1%, payment up 0.5%. 2011, benefits up 3%, pay

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up 2.5%. 2012, benefits 5.2%, payment up 2.3%. Every year in

:20:41.:20:44.

recent history if you've been on benefits you have done better than

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getting a pay rise. This is very important argument. Two points in

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response. First, we always look not just at wages, but at the family

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income. I personally want family income to rise faster when

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someone's in work than when they're on benefits. That's why we wanted

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tax credits to rise. But the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats

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actually froze the rise in tax credits and that's 3,5,000 people

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in his constituency and 11,000 in mine. The Bill squeezed them

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further. What that means is that those people who are in work are

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getting hit twice, they are hit by wages that are stagnating and hurt

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by tax being squeezed. My second point is, now think about what is

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coming in the years ahead. So, in the years that this Bill is in

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effect, actually earnings are forecast to grow by the Office for

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Budget Responsibility by between 3% panned 4%. That's -- and 4%. That's

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earnings. That is absolutely right. If you look at the OBI. That's not

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right. Outlook, earnings will grow. Public sector. Firstly, as this

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government will tell you, basing any policy on OBR is fool's gold.

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That's why they're in a mess. Public sector pay is frozen or

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rising by 1% overall for the future. Private earnings are rising by less

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than 2% at the moment. There is no - I know of no business currently

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planning 3% or 4% pay rises. Tell me one. Let me bring you back to

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this. That's why tax credits need to be protected. At a time when

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wages are squeezed you need tax credits to take up the slack. It's

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this government that is actually freezing tax credits and proposing

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to squeeze them at a time that the very richest in our country are

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being given a �2,000 a week tax cut. We can't see how that is fair.

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knows that's wrong. Frankly, he is wrong. You set it up. He knows

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about the tax cuts for the richest is completely wrong. He said tax

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credits sudden go up. He voted against this Bill yesterday, so

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really you need to explain how you are going to fund the changes.

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There is up to �5 billion of savings to get the changes. How

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will you do that and at the same time cut the deficit? Keeping in

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mind, that Liam was the Cabinet Secretary responsible for spending

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in the previous government and he left the note to the new government

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saying, "There's no money left." He might have thought it was a joke. I

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think it was a rare moment of honesty. Let's see more now and

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tell us how you will do that. you wish you had never left that

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note? It's a good joke, but it's haunted you. These notes go back to

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Churchill in the 1920s and a little later on. There's an old tradition

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of them. They are normally kept private. Only one successor has

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meant it. I left a Budget that I co-wrote with Alistair Darling

:23:53.:23:58.

which would cut the deficit in four years. The basic point is this - �3

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billion a year is being handed back to Britain's top-rate taxpayers.

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That's complete rubbish. It's an HMRC figure. It's not. They say

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it's the static costs. Let him explain why he thinks it's not

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right. I understand this. Let him explain why. What he conveniently

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wants to ignore are behaviourial changes when you have a tax change.

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When you have a tax change people change their behaviour. HMRC's

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study said when you take behaviour into account it's about �100

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million, not �3 billion. That's why if you want to tax the wealthiest

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you need to do it in a way where it's not easy for them to avoid it,

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stamp duty and changes in personal pension contribution allowances and

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changes in capital gains tax and that's what we have son, so each --

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son, so each year the wealthiest are paying more. We'll come back to

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going to be, they should be banned from watching. Thereby cutting our

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audience to close to zero. It's coming up to midday. There's Big

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Ben behind me there. It's only meaning one thing, Prime Minister's

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questions and also that Nick Robinson is here. Haby knew year.

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Welcome back. -- happy new year. Welcome back. A cheap one. That's

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all we can afford. The cheque isn't in the account yet! We have this

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relaunch of the coalition on Monday, that's what Labour called it. We

:28:31.:28:34.

read in this morning's papers that there's another document where they

:28:34.:28:39.

mark their own homework. Even marking their own homework, we are

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told, they failed on 70 promises. Thanks to a rather good political

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photographer called Steve Back who has an extremely long lens, he

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managed to get one of the political advisers to the Prime Minister,

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Patrick Rock, who was carrying documents along, who said he might

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have well as stapled it to his forehead and posted it to the

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Cabinet. Which said and I quote, "I think the danger of bad headlines,

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about the Government failing to meet certain targets, can be

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avoided by simply publishing a document without any fanfare on the

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Government's website." I don't think that plans going quite to

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plan. "We might be accused of slipping out the difficult points a

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couple of days we got more favourable coverage." It's just

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possible! I wouldn't wish to predict. Only by churlish people.

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Or people of an unkind disposition. Was there always the plan to

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publish this? Well, the coalition document, they saw that this week.

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No, marking your own homework? don't know about that. You have not

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seen it. It talked about cutting the deficit. Welfare reform. I was

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gob-smacked by it. Were you on holiday? I was working, watching

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him, which is work! What about this new document, you must have had

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input into this? I haven't seen such a document. I have seen the

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coalition document, mid-term review which talks all about the successes.

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What about 6% growth by 2012, failed. Cut the deficit by lots

:30:29.:30:34.

more, no we only got 25% and it's rising again. Living standards

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still being squeezed by as much as 1920s. Will it have all that in?

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think the document would say that given the Interance that we had,

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the world's largest deficit that we have done a damn good job of

:30:49.:30:53.

putting the country back on its feet and also of cutting the

:30:53.:30:56.

deficit and bringing back prosperity back to Britain. Is that

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eight out of ten? Over to Prime This morning I had meetings with

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ministerial colleagues and others and an additional to my duties, I

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will have further such meetings today. The as the Prime Minister

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agree if public servants are having a 1% pay rise, it is only fair that

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those on benefits should be given the same increase? I think he is

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entirely right. These are difficult decisions. But they should be made

:31:33.:31:37.

in the context of the fact that over the last five years benefits

:31:37.:31:43.

have gone up by 20%, average earnings are only up by 10%. It is

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right to have a 1% cap on out-of- work benefits, a 1% cap on tax

:31:50.:31:54.

credits and the 1% cap on public sector pay. What is inexplicable is

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the position of the party opposite to support a 1% public sector pay

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cap, but one more for welfare claimants. It is not fair, not

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right and they should think again. Mr Speaker, can the Prime Minister

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tell us that why am Monday when he published his mid-term review

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committee failed to publish his audit of coalition broken promises?

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We will be publishing absolutely every single auditor of every

:32:27.:32:34.

single promise, or 399 pledges set out in the mid-term review. Unlike

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the party opposite, this will be full, frank and completely on

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varnished and will see it this afternoon. Let me perhaps remind

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him of some of the pledges. We said we would cut the deficit, it is

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down by 25%. We said we would cut immigration, it is down buys 25%.

:32:55.:33:00.

We said we would rebalance the economy, one million public-sector

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jobs. He is going to have to do better than that. Because this is

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what his advisers said. Key said, they shouldn't publish the secret

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ordered because it had problematic areas and V2 and favourable copy,

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and identified broken pledges. It is a far cry from the Rose Garden.

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This is what they said, we should throw open the doors to enable the

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public to hold politicians to account. So, have another go. It is

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a simple questions. Was it his decision not to publish the audit.

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I quote from his adviser, "it would overshadow favourable coverage..."

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it is early in the year, so calm down. You had difficult times ahead.

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Was it his decision not to publish the ordered? It is my decision it

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is being published this afternoon. Is this really the best he can do?

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He has had a week, sitting in the Canary Islands with nothing else to

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think about. He cannot ask about unemployment because it is falling.

:34:29.:34:33.

P cannot ask about business creation because it is rising. He

:34:33.:34:37.

does not want to talk about the deficit because we have got it down

:34:37.:34:40.

for a start he cannot ask about welfare because he knows he is on

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the wrong side of the argument. Speaker, the only people on the

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wrong side of the arguments are him and his Chancellor, who are trying

:34:51.:34:58.

to divide the country. Let's see if we can get a sneak preview of the

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secret Audit. We have not seen it, but can we get a sneak preview.

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This is what the coalition agreement said, "we will stop top

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down reorganisations of the NHS". I think we can all agree it is a

:35:20.:35:28.

promise that has been broken. Can he confirm that is on the list?

:35:28.:35:34.

What will be Virk, 5,000 more doctors in the NHS, 6,000 fewer

:35:34.:35:39.

managers. But he talks about wanting to divide the country, the

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division is this, two parties that have come together in the national

:35:44.:35:49.

interest to take the difficult decisions, and one party that

:35:49.:35:54.

refuses to apologise for the past, refuses to talk about the deficit,

:35:54.:35:58.

has no economic policy to think of. That is the division in British

:35:59.:36:05.

politics. I have to say, if he cannot even admit he has broken his

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promise on a top-down reorganisation of the NHS, I don't

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have high hopes for the secret Audit. Let's talk about another

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broken promise, this time on women. He's had this in his modest way,

:36:20.:36:28.

"he said we want to make sexual inequality history. That needs a

:36:28.:36:35.

serious commitment, clear policies and clear leadership". Will the

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secret audits acknowledge another broken promises that the changes he

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is making... I think the part-time Chancellor should calm down. Will

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he admits that the tax and benefit changes he is making are hitting

:36:49.:36:59.
:36:59.:37:00.

women three times as hard as men? There are more women in work than...

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There is excessive noise in the chamber. The questions from the

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opposition must be heard and the answers from the Prime Minister

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must be heard. He will be able to see when this document is published,

:37:12.:37:16.

there are more women in work than at any time in our history, pension

:37:16.:37:22.

reforms are helping women and of public-sector -- public sector pay

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freeze that excludes the lowest paid is helping women and we are

:37:25.:37:31.

helping women with extra childcare. Mr Speaker, what a contrast between

:37:31.:37:34.

a Government that is prepared to publish every piece of information

:37:34.:37:39.

about every pledge and what has been achieved. And the party

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opposite that cannot apologise for the mess they left this country in.

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After that answer, it is no wonder he did not take any questions from

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women jealous from his relaunch a press conference. -- journalists.

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Let's turn to his biggest broken promise, the chancellor hits hard

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working people and the most vulnerable with his strivers tax.

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At the same time he is giving this April, a massive tax cuts to

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millionaires. If his audit is going to be a candid assessment, won't he

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have to admit he has broken that symbolic promise that we are all in

:38:18.:38:25.

this together? He knows the facts about the top rate of tax. His move

:38:25.:38:29.

to 50 pence Mensa millionaires paid 7 billion a less in taxes, than

:38:29.:38:34.

they did previously. Under this Government, the top rate of tax

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will be higher than it every year than under his Government. Let's

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have an audit of his promises. He promised us a costed deficit-

:38:49.:38:54.

reduction programme. Nothing. He promised us proper reforms of

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welfare. Nothing. He promised us how he would show how he would have

:38:59.:39:05.

a new policy and tuition fees. Nothing. I have audited all of the

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Government spending programmes and I have identified one where waste

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is appalling. The �5 million of money that goes to his party every

:39:13.:39:23.
:39:23.:39:25.

year. We get nothing from it. Speaker. Mr Speaker, the more he

:39:25.:39:31.

blusters, the less convincing he is. He is cutting the top rate of

:39:31.:39:38.

income tax at by an average of �107,000 for everyone earning over

:39:38.:39:42.

�1 million in Britain. At the same time he is raising taxes on

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everyone else. He is a PR man who cannot even do a relaunch. Halfway

:39:48.:39:54.

through his Parliament, we know they are incompetent, break their

:39:54.:39:59.

promises and other nasty party is back. If is perfectly clear what

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has happened since the start of this year. It is this Government

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that is setting out its plans for the future. It is his party that is

:40:07.:40:12.

on the wrong side of the argument on welfare. It has nothing to say

:40:12.:40:17.

about the deficit, no credible policy on the economy. He has a

:40:17.:40:20.

shadow Chancellor who will knock back, but cannot sack. Nothing has

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changed in politics, nothing has changed in labour. Does he agree

:40:28.:40:33.

with me, that we should be cutting taxes for hard-working people in

:40:33.:40:37.

Basildon it rather than taking money away from them, only to

:40:37.:40:42.

return their own money through tax credits? He is entirely right. He

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will know in April, every working family will see a �220 tax cut as

:40:49.:40:53.

we left the tax threshold further. Everyone will benefit. In our view,

:40:53.:40:57.

what we should be doing is cutting people's taxes, rather than take

:40:58.:41:01.

more in taxes and recycle it through the massive tax credits

:41:01.:41:08.

business. That is what we believe on the side of the house. Isn't it

:41:08.:41:13.

a clear example of how out of touch this Prime Minister is, that while

:41:13.:41:17.

the overwhelming majority of the public want to maintain the ban on

:41:18.:41:21.

fox and stag hunting, that he actually plans to repeal it. Can he

:41:21.:41:26.

tell us why? As I explained before Christmas, I have never broken the

:41:26.:41:32.

law, and the only little red purse I pursue these days are in this

:41:32.:41:42.
:41:42.:41:42.

house. -- pests. Does the Prime Minister accept... Order, order. I

:41:42.:41:51.

am sure the House wishes to hear the words. Does the Prime Minister

:41:51.:41:56.

accept that under this Government that we brought in an 11% rise in

:41:56.:42:00.

the child elements of the tax credit, followed by a 5% rise and a

:42:00.:42:06.

recent rises build on those, meaning a cash increase of �470 in

:42:06.:42:09.

the child elements of the tax credit, under this Government?

:42:09.:42:14.

makes an important point on how we focused help on those most in need.

:42:14.:42:18.

Because we have lifted the income tax threshold, someone a minimum

:42:18.:42:22.

wage who works full-time has seen their income tax bill cut in half

:42:22.:42:26.

under this Government. We are on the side are people who want to

:42:26.:42:31.

work hard, get on and provide for their families. There are more than

:42:31.:42:35.

one million children living in poverty who do not qualify for a

:42:35.:42:38.

free school meal. Several children's charities are concerned

:42:38.:42:42.

that number will increase when the Universal credit is introduced.

:42:43.:42:47.

Will the Prime Minister take this opportunity to allay their fears by

:42:47.:42:51.

giving a guarantee that any child who qualifies for a free school

:42:51.:42:54.

meal under the current rules, will keep the entire Commons when the

:42:54.:43:00.

rules have changed? I will look carefully at what he says. By

:43:00.:43:03.

universal credit will actually be extending help to more people and

:43:03.:43:07.

more families, because it will be helping those people who are only

:43:07.:43:11.

able to work a few hours a week, and helping them with childcare as

:43:11.:43:16.

well. It is good to see the Prime Minister out running over Christmas,

:43:16.:43:22.

and setting the pace on welfare reform. For I have been out

:43:22.:43:26.

training for the London Marathon to raise funds for my local children's

:43:26.:43:31.

hospice. Will he join me in praising or the fund raisers and

:43:31.:43:34.

volunteers for local hospices, and reaffirmed Government support that

:43:34.:43:39.

schemes like the capital fund for hospices, which my local hospice

:43:39.:43:43.

are currently applying? First of all, can I wish him every good luck

:43:43.:43:49.

for the London Marathon. It is more than I am capable of, I can

:43:49.:43:54.

reassure him. We are continuing to support children's hospices by

:43:54.:44:00.

carrying on with the �10 million funding. We have added an

:44:00.:44:04.

additional �720,000, by making �60 million of capital funding

:44:04.:44:07.

available to adults and children hospices. In the coalition

:44:07.:44:11.

agreement, a full audit of which will be published today - we will

:44:11.:44:16.

be demonstrating how we will fulfil our pledge for a per patient

:44:16.:44:24.

funding system for palliative care. It will help or hospices. Can the

:44:24.:44:27.

Prime Minister confirm that single mum, Magee from my constituency,

:44:27.:44:32.

who works all the hours she can in Tesco, but does not earn enough to

:44:32.:44:37.

gain from the new tax allowances, will, after these changes to tax

:44:37.:44:45.

credit and Universal Credit, be a staggering �1,255 a year worse off?

:44:45.:44:49.

Everybody is affected by these changes. Everyone on tax credits

:44:49.:44:54.

will be affected by the fact there is only a 1% increase. Everyone on

:44:54.:44:57.

out-of-work benefits will be affected by the fact there is only

:44:57.:45:03.

a 1% increase. But the question is, if we are saving �5 billion through

:45:04.:45:07.

these changes, which I believe our fair, how is it the party opposite

:45:07.:45:12.

would fill in as �5 billion black hole? Would they take it off the

:45:12.:45:16.

NHS? Take it off the defence budget? It is time we had some

:45:16.:45:23.

questions from the party opposite. Can I thank the coalition

:45:23.:45:27.

Government for allocating �10.7 million to Edinburgh Super

:45:27.:45:31.

connected city with. It will revolutionise internet use been

:45:31.:45:37.

part of my constituency. But like constituents are frustrated at

:45:37.:45:42.

Edinburgh council's year-long procurement process. What can we do

:45:42.:45:51.

It's vitally important that everyone has access to broadband

:45:51.:45:55.

and increasingly we have the overwhelming access to superfast. I

:45:55.:45:58.

suspect that Edinburgh City Council has seen some of the same problems

:45:58.:46:01.

that councils up and down the country have seen about getting

:46:01.:46:06.

state aid clearance. We now have that for broadband in England, but

:46:06.:46:09.

I'm happy to look at his situation, but that's been one of the problems

:46:09.:46:13.

that has been holding back this vital programme. You shouldn't have

:46:14.:46:18.

to fill in long forms from the Revenue, you're working, you need

:46:18.:46:24.

help, we want to help you. I'm sure the Prime Minister recognises his

:46:24.:46:29.

words to families receiving child benefit. How many families could

:46:29.:46:35.

face a fine for not filling out a long tax form? The point about the

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child benefit change is that 85% of families who receive child benefit

:46:39.:46:44.

will go on getting that benefit. But the question we all have to ask

:46:44.:46:49.

is, is it right for people earning �20,000 or �30,000 to go on giving

:46:49.:46:54.

child benefit to people earning �70 or �90,000? We don't believe it is

:46:54.:46:57.

right, but apparently the Labour Party think it's right to give

:46:57.:47:00.

child benefit to millionaires. We don't think that's a good use of

:47:00.:47:09.

money. The Prime Minister rightly recognises that there needs to be a

:47:09.:47:13.

new relationship between this country and the EU. He has said,

:47:13.:47:16.

and I agree, that the British people must be offered a real

:47:16.:47:19.

choice with regard to our continued membership. I hope he can confirm

:47:19.:47:22.

to the House that it's his intention to seek a fresh

:47:22.:47:26.

settlement and then to seek the consent of the British people to

:47:26.:47:30.

that settlement. I can confirm that is exactly what I believe this

:47:30.:47:33.

country should do. I think it's the right thing for Britain, because I

:47:33.:47:36.

think it's right that we are involved in the single market, we

:47:36.:47:39.

are active players in the EU, but there are changes we would like in

:47:39.:47:42.

our relationship that would be good for Britain and Europe. I think

:47:43.:47:46.

because of the changes taking place in the eurozone, which is driving a

:47:46.:47:50.

lot of change in the EU, there's every opportunity to achieve that

:47:50.:47:59.

settlement and then seek consent for it. A college of Lord March

:47:59.:48:03.

land's said he likes foreign travel, meeting foreign leaders, but he's

:48:03.:48:08.

not too keen on the detailed policy of his new job, I wonder if the

:48:08.:48:15.

Prime Minister knows anybody else like that? Is that - all morning

:48:15.:48:24.

he's had to this of that -- had to think of that! It's important that

:48:24.:48:28.

we ministers in both Houses who are linking up with the fast-growing

:48:28.:48:32.

countries in the world and that's why our exports to China are up 50%

:48:32.:48:37.

and to India 50% and we are connecting Britain with the fast-

:48:37.:48:47.
:48:47.:48:55.

growing parts of the world. Bearing in mind that Bills that may be

:48:55.:49:02.

thought to effect the Royal prerogative require the sig -- sig

:49:02.:49:08.

indication of the -- the signature of the Queen at second reading, can

:49:08.:49:14.

the Prime Minister tell us whether he has yet heard from the Palace

:49:14.:49:23.

whether if regards any of the major constitutional changes proposed in

:49:23.:49:28.

the suck succession to the crown bill is intruding on the Royal

:49:28.:49:38.
:49:38.:49:38.

prerogative or on the corn nation both, which the Queen took? -- core

:49:38.:49:43.

nation oath, which the Queen took? Throughout the process of bringing

:49:43.:49:48.

forward this proposal, which is a proposal that the heads of all the

:49:48.:49:51.

Commonwealth realms have also signed up, throughout that process,

:49:51.:49:55.

there's been very, very thorough contact between Number Ten and

:49:55.:50:04.

between the Palace. All of the issues are settled and agreed.

:50:04.:50:09.

People in high flood risk areas cannot understand why the

:50:09.:50:12.

Government has effectively abandoned efforts to reach

:50:12.:50:16.

agreements with the industry and fear they will not be able to

:50:16.:50:20.

insure their homes after June 2013. Why is the Prime Minister fiddling

:50:20.:50:25.

while the country floods? I'm happy to put the honourable gentleman

:50:25.:50:28.

right. The discussions are still under way. They've made very good

:50:28.:50:33.

progress. I'm confident that we will reach an agreement, as he said.

:50:33.:50:37.

The current agreement doesn't run out until June this year. I'm

:50:37.:50:40.

regularly updated on the discussions. I know from my own

:50:40.:50:44.

constituency, which has been subjected to regular flooding, just

:50:44.:50:48.

how important they are. We have put in an extra �120 million in terms

:50:48.:50:51.

of flood defences and I think everyone can now see that the flood

:50:51.:50:57.

defence work that has been done over recent years has made a

:50:57.:51:02.

significant difference when we have had high levels of rainfall.

:51:02.:51:06.

the Prime Minister confirm to the House that disability benefits are

:51:06.:51:12.

being uprated as usual and will not be subject to changes? She is

:51:12.:51:16.

entirely right. Disability living allowance, which is the key benefit

:51:16.:51:22.

received by disabled people, is not subject to the 1% cut. The cap is

:51:22.:51:26.

for benefits that are for people in the in-work benefits area. It's

:51:26.:51:29.

very important we go on paying disability living allowance in the

:51:29.:51:34.

way we have been. Can the Prime Minister confirm that my

:51:34.:51:38.

constituent who is a nurse, as well as a single father to two children,

:51:38.:51:42.

will lose �400 a year as a result of the Chancellor's cuts to child

:51:43.:51:47.

benefit and other benefits? result of the cuts to child benefit

:51:47.:51:51.

are that the best-off 15% families in this country will no longer

:51:51.:51:55.

receive child benefit at all. That is what is going to happen. That

:51:55.:52:01.

safes around �2 billion a year and again, Labour has now voted against

:52:01.:52:06.

83 billion of welfare changes. You have to start filling in the blanks

:52:06.:52:09.

of where you are going to make up this money. I think it is right

:52:09.:52:15.

that we say to people earning �60 up to �80,000 or more you shouldn't

:52:15.:52:18.

be receiving child benefit. It's not an easy decision. The

:52:18.:52:21.

Government is about making decisions and frankly opposition is

:52:22.:52:27.

frankly about making them too. I recommend that the Prime Minister

:52:27.:52:33.

takes a look at Monday's excellent backbench debate on corporate tax

:52:33.:52:36.

avoidance and can I ask what he hopes to achieve on this vital

:52:36.:52:42.

issue at the G8? I will certainly look closely at the debate and read

:52:42.:52:46.

the Hansard, because this is a vital issue for not just our

:52:46.:52:49.

country, but it needs to be settled internationally. That is why I've

:52:49.:52:53.

put the issue of corporate tax avoidance at the heart of the G8

:52:53.:52:58.

this year. We are also looking closely at what we can do here in

:52:58.:53:05.

the UK. Further to the question from my friend in Hacky South, may

:53:06.:53:09.

I ask the Prime Minister what estimate he has made of the number

:53:09.:53:14.

of families who are still unaware they are no longer aware to child

:53:14.:53:19.

benefit, particularly bearing in mind the bill will come through the

:53:19.:53:28.

nation's letterboxes in April 2015?! Obviously, we have written

:53:28.:53:32.

out to 800,000 families. There's been a huge advertising cam tape.

:53:33.:53:37.

This has been properly covered right across the media. I have to

:53:37.:53:41.

say, it's absolutely extraordinary, in a week when Labour are

:53:41.:53:44.

complaining about difficult welfare decisions for people who are in

:53:44.:53:48.

work and for people who are out of work, they also want to make a

:53:48.:53:53.

priority of opposing taking away child benefit from people earning

:53:53.:53:57.

�100,000 or �150,000. You really have to start taking some

:53:57.:54:01.

responsible decisions about how we deal with our deficit and get our

:54:01.:54:10.

economy under control. Will the Prime Minister join me in

:54:10.:54:13.

congratulating the businessman and entrepreneurs and staff who work at

:54:13.:54:19.

the job centre in my constituency, whose efforts over the last two-

:54:19.:54:21.

and-a-half years have ensured that unemployment in my constituency is

:54:22.:54:27.

down by a quarter since last election? I will certainly join my

:54:27.:54:30.

honourable friend. People in our job centres in the country do an

:54:30.:54:33.

excellent job helping people to find work and to make sure they get

:54:33.:54:37.

all the help they need. The fact is that the unemployment rate today is

:54:37.:54:40.

now lower than the rate that we inherited at the last election.

:54:40.:54:45.

Over the last year, job creation in Britain was faster than in any

:54:45.:54:48.

other G7 country. We still have a long way to go to rebalance the

:54:49.:54:51.

economy, to get the growth in the private sector that we need.

:54:52.:54:56.

However, we are on the right track. One million new private sector jobs

:54:56.:54:59.

over the last two years. The fastest rate of new business

:54:59.:55:02.

creation for decades. There are good signs that the economy's

:55:02.:55:05.

rebalancing. We need to encourage that by staying on top of our

:55:05.:55:09.

deficit and getting the deficit down, rather than just giving in on

:55:09.:55:13.

every decision as we have seen today from the Labour Party.

:55:13.:55:20.

According to the Children's Society, up to 40,000 soldiers, 150,000

:55:20.:55:25.

teachers and 300,000 nurses will lose out as a result of his

:55:25.:55:29.

decision to cut tax credits and other benefits. Why are hard-

:55:29.:55:37.

working people like this paying for his economic failure?

:55:37.:55:39.

honourable lady needs to remember why we are having to take the

:55:39.:55:43.

decisions in the first place. It's to deal with the record budget

:55:43.:55:46.

deficit for the mess left by the Labour Party. That is the

:55:46.:55:52.

background to this. But the real question about public sector

:55:52.:55:56.

workers and soldiers and teachers and people who work in our public

:55:56.:56:00.

services, they are being restricted to a 1% increase, so why on earth

:56:00.:56:05.

does the Labour Party think that people on out-of-work benefits

:56:05.:56:08.

should see their incomes go up faster? That is the question you

:56:08.:56:13.

need to answer. We are being fair, because we are restricting the

:56:13.:56:17.

increase on tax credits, on public sector pay, but also asking the

:56:17.:56:22.

same of those on out-of-work welfare. What we see that is unfair

:56:22.:56:26.

is backing the public sector pay increase, but wanting welfare to go

:56:26.:56:29.

through the roof. It's wrong and not fair and Labour must see they

:56:29.:56:37.

have to change their mind. Last week I visited TH White Group and

:56:37.:56:40.

herd about their healthy order book and recruitment plans for this year.

:56:40.:56:44.

However, like many British employers, they cannot find enough

:56:44.:56:48.

engineers to hire. Britain's universities lead the world in

:56:48.:56:51.

teaching science and engineering and yet we have an annual short

:56:51.:56:56.

fall of 60,000 graduates and nine out of ten post-graduate students

:56:56.:57:00.

in those subjects are from overseas what more can we do to plug this

:57:00.:57:05.

critical skills gap? I think she is entirely right and we have to

:57:05.:57:10.

tackle this problem at every level. That means making sure we are

:57:10.:57:12.

teaching maths and science and stem subjects properly in schools and

:57:12.:57:15.

there are signs that the number of people taking those subjects are

:57:15.:57:18.

increasing. We need to make sure that universities are properly

:57:18.:57:22.

funded and tuition fees will make sure that is the case. We also need

:57:22.:57:26.

to raise the profile about engineering and that's one of the

:57:26.:57:33.

reasons why we introduce the �1 million prize for engineering. That

:57:33.:57:35.

combined with the 34 university technical colleges will help to

:57:35.:57:41.

make sure we train the engineers we need for the future. It's more

:57:41.:57:45.

important than ever in Northern Ireland that we seek to continue

:57:45.:57:48.

moving forward, away from violence. We need to create stability and I'm

:57:48.:57:51.

sure the Prime Minister will agree that full participation in and

:57:51.:57:56.

support for the political and democratic process by everybody, so

:57:56.:57:59.

the people's issued can be addressed and politicians address

:57:59.:58:03.

those is vital. In that context and the context of what is happening,

:58:03.:58:06.

will the Prime Minister agree to meet with us to discuss the

:58:06.:58:11.

forthcoming legislation in Northern Ireland, so we can look at measures

:58:11.:58:14.

to increase democratic participation by people in deprived

:58:14.:58:17.

communities, look at the deplorable state of the electoral register in

:58:17.:58:20.

Northern Ireland, which is in a bad state and also deal with the

:58:20.:58:23.

discrimination against elected members of this House from Northern

:58:23.:58:28.

Ireland, who play by the rules while others get money while not

:58:28.:58:32.

taking their seats? All that needs to be addressed. I agree to meet.

:58:32.:58:35.

We have a meeting with a number of members of his party straight after

:58:35.:58:42.

to talk about the issue of how to make sure we can cover the military

:58:42.:58:47.

covenant. He makes a number of points. I would throw back that

:58:47.:58:51.

part of the challenge to him and his party, as to others, we need to

:58:51.:58:54.

build a shared future in Northern Ireland, where we breakdown the

:58:54.:58:57.

barriers, barriers of segregation that have been in place for many,

:58:57.:59:00.

many years and I think that is part of the challenge to take away many

:59:01.:59:06.

of the tensions that we have seen in recent days. Just in case

:59:07.:59:11.

anybody was ever in any doubt, could the Prime Minister confirm

:59:11.:59:14.

who he is closest to politically? Is this Lord Tebbit or the Deputy

:59:15.:59:23.

Prime Minister? I managed to get through Christmas without spending

:59:23.:59:33.
:59:33.:59:34.

any time with either of them. I am closer to all Conservatives than I

:59:34.:59:44.
:59:44.:59:46.

am to anyone from any other party. Yesterday the Secretary of State

:59:46.:59:50.

for Health received a report recommending that the downgrading

:59:50.:59:55.

of maternity services and closure of the A&E department at Lewisham

:59:55.:00:00.

hospital, does the Prime Minister recall the coalition promise to end

:00:00.:00:04.

the enforced closure of A&E and maternity services? If this is not

:00:04.:00:09.

to be on the list of broken promises will he ensure that these

:00:09.:00:14.

closures do not go ahead? What the Government and I specifically

:00:14.:00:19.

promised is that there should be no closures or no re-organisations

:00:19.:00:24.

unless they had the support from the GP commissioners and unless

:00:24.:00:29.

there was public and patient engagement and evidence. Let me be

:00:30.:00:32.

absolutely clear. Unlike under the last government, when the closures

:00:32.:00:37.

and changes were imposed in a top- down way, if they do not immediate

:00:37.:00:41.

those criteria they will not happen. The Prime Minister will remember

:00:41.:00:46.

that this House gave the green light to stem Cel research some

:00:46.:00:50.

years ago. We now find that the court of justice of the EU is

:00:50.:00:58.

hindering progress by bringing into question the patent researches.

:00:58.:01:08.

Will the Prime Minister do what he can to clear the block snadges

:01:08.:01:10.

blockages? He makes an important point, because it's a competitive

:01:10.:01:14.

advantage that we have in this country, that we took difficult

:01:14.:01:20.

decisions about stem Cel research. It's important that we continue to

:01:20.:01:23.

lead in that area, not only for economic and scientific reasons,

:01:23.:01:27.

but because we want to make sure that people with long-term

:01:27.:01:30.

conditions, that children with disabilities and other concerns,

:01:31.:01:33.

that we crack those problems for the future and without that level

:01:33.:01:37.

of research I don't believe we shall. I'll look carefully and

:01:38.:01:42.

write to him with an answer. Is the Prime Minister proud of the growth

:01:42.:01:45.

of food banks across this country, including in my own constituency?

:01:45.:01:49.

Has he visited one and if not, will he? I'm proud of the fact that in

:01:49.:01:53.

this country there are one million more people in work than they were

:01:53.:01:56.

when this Government came to office, that we have made sure that the

:01:56.:02:00.

lowest paid are not paying income tax, that we protected the poorest

:02:00.:02:04.

families in our country. I'm proud of all of those things. But unlike

:02:04.:02:07.

him, I don't look down or talk down at people who work hard in our

:02:07.:02:17.
:02:17.:02:25.

The first Prime Minister's Questions of 2013. Just two more

:02:25.:02:29.

years of back to go until the next election. The leader of the

:02:29.:02:35.

opposition went on this about to be published Government marking of its

:02:35.:02:41.

own homework. What promises it kept, what it hasn't. It did not deliver

:02:41.:02:46.

it with the mid-term assessment and Monday afternoon. But it is coming

:02:46.:02:52.

out this afternoon. No doubt that is what will dominate tonight, as

:02:52.:02:57.

we seek what promises the Government has kept. Interesting Ed

:02:57.:03:00.

Miliband went on that rather than continuing the argument yesterday

:03:00.:03:06.

on capping of welfare payments. We will ask why he did that in a few

:03:06.:03:10.

moments, but first we get what you thought of it.

:03:10.:03:14.

The Ed Miliband might have gone on something different, but dealers

:03:14.:03:19.

focused on the welfare debate. A lady in Manchester so this

:03:19.:03:22.

Government is only hitting workers on low incomes. My husband as a

:03:22.:03:28.

civil servant and has not seen his wage rise for two years. I am a

:03:28.:03:33.

carer for a disabled daughter. This from Ray Jones in Kent. Today

:03:33.:03:36.

I witnessed again, Ed Miliband going on about broken promises when

:03:36.:03:40.

he chooses not to recognise the world is a different place than

:03:40.:03:45.

when those promises were made. Jacklin says, someone needs to be

:03:46.:03:50.

putting a stop to the campaign of hatred with shirkers and strivers

:03:50.:03:56.

nonsense. Mr Miliband does little to inspire confidence.

:03:56.:04:00.

Another man says, Ed Miliband had an open goal, had six attempts but

:04:00.:04:04.

missed the goal. And David in Blackburn, but 13

:04:04.:04:08.

years I have held the view that previous governments have the most

:04:08.:04:12.

incompetent collection of ministers ever assembled. Now, I am not so

:04:12.:04:17.

sure. Interesting scene, on the one hand

:04:17.:04:20.

you have the Government worried about some aspects of the welfare

:04:20.:04:29.

debate. Hence a couple of questions allowing the Prime Minister to say,

:04:29.:04:34.

we're not freezing that benefits, we're not freezing VAT benefit,

:04:34.:04:41.

pensioners will be fine. Ed Miliband went on the publication of

:04:41.:04:46.

the document about promises kept and promises broken. It was a gift

:04:46.:04:51.

Ed Miliband could not resist. You open your newspaper this morning,

:04:51.:04:55.

and there is the story that Government tried to bury, an

:04:56.:05:00.

assessment of their own broken promises. In a sense, when you are

:05:00.:05:04.

leader of the opposition, sometimes you have to go with the news. I

:05:04.:05:08.

think that his wife. But but sides are nervous. There is no doubt that

:05:08.:05:18.
:05:18.:05:20.

Labour, they have fought very hard on the idea of welfare. He will be

:05:21.:05:28.

seen as being a friend of shirkers and not workers. Plus the Tories

:05:28.:05:32.

are nervous. A whole series of planted questions by Government

:05:32.:05:38.

whips, allowing the Prime Minister to produce these facts as PMQs was

:05:38.:05:42.

going on. We are not hitting the disabled, we are not hitting

:05:42.:05:49.

pensioners. It suggests to me, along with their abandonment of the

:05:49.:05:53.

wording of workers and shirkers. You won't hear them using it any

:05:53.:06:01.

more. David Cameron and Nick Clegg made it clear that they won't use

:06:01.:06:07.

it. You're getting a nervousness on both sides of politics, as they

:06:07.:06:11.

tried to grapple with this will Furman them. Does this mean you

:06:11.:06:16.

will desist from using this language? I have used it before

:06:16.:06:21.

reporting a conversation I had on a doorstep in my constituency.

:06:21.:06:25.

said at the Labour conference, many people on the doorstep at the last

:06:25.:06:30.

election felt too often we were for the shirkers and not the workers.

:06:30.:06:33.

The new told the London School of Economics last year, we are the

:06:33.:06:38.

party of workers, not shirkers. Who are the shirkers? There are people

:06:38.:06:43.

in Britain who we do not think are doing enough to get a job. What I

:06:43.:06:47.

was doing was reporting conversations I had on the doorstep

:06:47.:06:52.

in my own constituency. What we won't do is use this as a political

:06:52.:06:56.

strategy in the way George Osborne tried to do when he presented his

:06:56.:07:01.

wealth or built. This well For our rating Bill is not needed. Non-

:07:01.:07:08.

Labour Government comes to Parliament. George Osborne wanted

:07:08.:07:13.

to frame this in unnecessary legislation to force the vote so he

:07:13.:07:17.

could try and present Labour as on the wrong side of an argument. What

:07:17.:07:21.

he forgot to tell the House when he presented the Budget, is that

:07:21.:07:26.

overwhelmingly, this bill hits tax credits and 68% of the people hit

:07:26.:07:31.

are in work. We did a lot of that at the beginning of the programme.

:07:31.:07:35.

You were worried Labour was seen as a party of shirkers and not workers,

:07:35.:07:40.

why was that? I heard those conversations from my constituents.

:07:40.:07:44.

Why do people think that? I think there is the sense we did not move

:07:44.:07:50.

fast enough to reform incapacity benefit. We introduced some

:07:50.:07:54.

important changes. We wanted to test it, and get it right. The

:07:54.:07:58.

Government went on a different approach, and now we have the chaos

:07:58.:08:03.

in the work capability assessment. They moved to fast before getting

:08:03.:08:07.

the foundations strong. This is an important debate and we have said,

:08:07.:08:11.

there is a Labour way to bring down spending, there is a Tory wait. The

:08:11.:08:21.
:08:21.:08:21.

Labour way his -- the Tory rate is to hit her working people. Up to

:08:21.:08:27.

the crash in 2008, employment rose in this country, unemployment

:08:27.:08:33.

wasn't rising. But the welfare bill still rose. The wood two parts of

:08:33.:08:42.

the welfare bill, it went up by �70 billion. Overwhelmingly it was

:08:42.:08:47.

pensions and tax credits. We make no apology for and reducing tax

:08:47.:08:53.

credits. But my point is, you were saying that if only unemployment

:08:53.:08:59.

would come down further, if there was more people in work, we would

:08:59.:09:03.

cut the welfare bill. You had more people in employment, and the

:09:03.:09:07.

welfare bill rose under Labour. What happens to out-of-work

:09:07.:09:16.

benefits? GSA, BSA, income support and housing benefit fell by �7.8

:09:16.:09:21.

billion. But the welfare bill rose, even at the time of rising

:09:21.:09:26.

employment and living standards, over all, you increased spending on

:09:26.:09:32.

welfare. You can have the semantic conversation or you like. Pensioner

:09:32.:09:35.

went up by 30 billion ANH tax credits went up by nearly 30

:09:35.:09:41.

billion. We think those are good things. I understand, but it does

:09:41.:09:45.

not automatically follow, as the experience of the last Labour

:09:45.:09:49.

Government has shown, just because unemployment is falling and

:09:49.:09:54.

unemployment is rising, welfare goes down. We think there are good

:09:55.:09:59.

parts to the social security system, tax credits and pensions. Tax

:09:59.:10:04.

credits mean you are better off in work. Tax credits have been cut so

:10:04.:10:09.

hard you are better off... could earn �60,000 a year and get

:10:09.:10:18.

tax credits and the you? You could earn �60,000 a year under Labour

:10:18.:10:22.

and get tax credits for stopped giving it is right? We said over

:10:22.:10:26.

the last couple of years there should have been an increase in the

:10:26.:10:36.
:10:36.:10:43.

Tax credits have been hit so hard, you are better off on benefits than

:10:43.:10:50.

you are in work. Working families are being forced to pay. During the

:10:50.:10:56.

last decade, welfare spending in real terms went up by 45%. It

:10:56.:11:01.

represents a total today one in every �3 that is raised in taxes.

:11:01.:11:06.

It was a Budget out of control. When Liam used divisive language

:11:06.:11:16.

talking about shirkers... Please let me answer. You had trouble

:11:16.:11:21.

answering the question, I want to help out. The problem is, he did

:11:21.:11:25.

and want to acknowledge the reality. I wish he would be honest again

:11:25.:11:33.

when he was talking about there being no money left. I want him to

:11:33.:11:36.

acknowledge the welfare budget was out of control. If you are going to

:11:36.:11:40.

deal with the largest deficit of any industrialised country when we

:11:40.:11:47.

came to power, you have to deal with the welfare budget. If this is

:11:47.:11:54.

you helping him out, what are you like when you are being unhelpful?

:11:54.:11:59.

This is a debate we might have to have until 2015. What I thought was

:11:59.:12:03.

interesting about the debate yesterday was David Miliband's

:12:03.:12:09.

contributions. He stood up and said, I don't want any more to have an

:12:09.:12:14.

argument that says if Labour is opposed to a welfare cap, that it

:12:14.:12:19.

is in favour of higher deficits and more borrowing. I want to have a

:12:19.:12:24.

debate about what changes you want to make. It is an interesting

:12:24.:12:30.

debate. If Labour are going to say they are uncomfortable with this 1%

:12:30.:12:36.

blanket cap on a series of benefits and tax credits as well, and

:12:36.:12:39.

certain Liberal Democrats like Charles Kennedy us saying, we want

:12:39.:12:43.

to amend the Bill. Are there things they would like to cut more in

:12:43.:12:50.

order to allow tax credits to rise with inflation. Pension benefits,

:12:50.:12:59.

for example. On the front pages today, he I am doing a programme on

:12:59.:13:04.

Radio Four at 8pm tonight. Do you means test winter fuel allowance or

:13:04.:13:11.

the bus pass? Is that a debate you want to get going? We want to bring

:13:11.:13:17.

down out of work benefits. More people should be got into work.

:13:17.:13:24.

That is what is happening. They can only be two years you can spend on

:13:24.:13:28.

JSA. We have said there is a cap on the amount of time you can spend on

:13:28.:13:35.

JSA. It you cannot get a job, we will invest in making sure there is

:13:35.:13:40.

one for you. It is a clear message we want to send. We are the party

:13:40.:13:44.

of work. Bringing down unemployment is how you make welfare savings

:13:44.:13:50.

first. It is only the start of what is going to be a big debate. Nick

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:14:00.:14:06.

Robinson, thanks for being with us. Mind you Cup. -- my new Cup.

:14:06.:14:09.

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phase two of the scheme connecting the East Midlands, Manchester and

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Leeds. But the High Speed Rail scheme or HS2 as it's known, has

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its opponents. Former cabinet minister, Cheryl Gillan, described

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it as a cancer at the weekend. And campaigners have gone to court to

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get the project delayed, altered or stopped. Nowhere has opposition

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been as vigorous as in the Chilterns, where the actor,

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Geoffrey Palmer, lives. We asked him to explain why he's so opposed

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I had lived in the Chilterns for nearly 50 years. Lovely countryside

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and an Area of Outstanding, natural beauty. It is quiet and peaceful.

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But it will mark the on much longer if Mr Cameron thrusts a high-speed

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railway from Birmingham to London through it. It will cost equivalent

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of 60 hospitals. It would be the most expensive railway in the world

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and the single most expensive infrastructure project undertaken

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by a British Government. Do we need it? The Government, having lost the

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business and Baron mental arguments, last year the Transport Secretary

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said the reason she was giving the project to go ahead is because we

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were sitting on a capacity time bomb. If we don't act now, the West

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Coast Main Line will be full. But now we know her figures were wrong.

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Just last month, after several appeals under the Freedom of

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Information Act, the Government was forced, reluctantly to disclose the

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true, official figures. They show that in 2011, during the evening

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rush-hour from 4pm until 7pm on weekdays, long-distance trains

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leaving Euston station had, on average, just over half of their

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For me, that's it. End of story. We don't need it. So, Mr Cameron, stop

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this vanity project and leave our Jeffrey Palmer couldn't have been

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clearer and here with us is Stephanie Boston the director of

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Conserve the Chilterns and Countryside. There is political

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commitment to this project. Is your campaign effectively over? It's

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going to happen. Absolutely not. Please don't think for one minute,

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despite the fact we have been called NIMBYs we are not anti-high

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speed rail. You just don't want it through your area? We don't believe

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that the current route is the right route for a number of reasons.

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Indeed, even in April this year, at a Public Accounts Committee, which

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was reviewing the lessons that could be learned from HS1 the major

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projects authority highlighted this project as being on amber and red.

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That means viability is actually in question. Now, that report has not

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been released, despite a letter to Frances Maude, signed by 12 MPs and

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despite many requests from many other people. We have not had

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access to that. It seems that the Government are ploughing ahead.

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They are not considering all the other proposals that have been put

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forward. Where would you like the route to go? The best route we can

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currently see is the Heene row hub route. That still goes through the

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Chilterns, but it's in a tunnel, and it provides more connectivity

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and the connectivity that was originally specified by the

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Government, is it picks up on Crossrail and at strad Ford to go

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to Europe and it goes -- Stratford to go to Europe and it goes north

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to Birmingham, which are on the current route and west as well. Can

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I just add one more point? This Heathrow hub route is also

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partially privately funded, so I don't know why we are looking at

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spending all the taxpayers' money when actually there is a better

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route. It's supported by the institute of directors and Unite

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and the investors. Why are you ploughing on ahead, to use

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Stephanie's words, when there is a much better and viable alternative

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that won't cost as much? I respect Stephanie's case and she is

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standing up for her region. And the country. But as they said, she is

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not against HS2 as a concept. We could debate the particular route

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all day long, but the important thing is, which I don't think came

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through in the clip, there is going to be a capacity problem.

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Projections do show that by the mid-2020s there will be a capacity

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issue on the West Coast Main Line. Why do the figures show something

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completely different? Long-distance trains leaving Euston on week days,

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between 4pm and 7pm, only 52% of seats were occupied on peak trains

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it went down to as low as 34%? That is not capacity. We are looking

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ahead to 2026. You are saying it's going to be right up to 100%?

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course. It's been growing. If you look at the trends in the last

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decades, it's been going up. Not just on the West Coast Main Line,

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but across the country. The question really is that we are

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going to need new capacity in the UK and when we develop that

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capacity should we have traditional rail lines that are outof date, or

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modern rail lines -- out of date, or modern rail lines like the

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countries we are competing with? You are both West Midlands MPs? Is

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the money well spent here, Liam Byrne, bearing on mind it won't be

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online until 2026? Of course. There are already huge capacity issues

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within the West Midlands. It's the cross-roads of the country and

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unless you can get trains through it, then it has a knock-on impact

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on the rest of the country. I do think this is a vital bit of

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infrastructure. With one condition, which is that they don't build a

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marshalling yard taking out a third of the industrial land in the city

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of Birmingham, which is in my constituency. That site is better

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developed more thousands of jobs. Overall, this infrastructure is

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right. I think HS2 and their leaderboard needs to do a --

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leadership, needs to do a better job about listening. There are big

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concerns about the hub in London. Also concerns in Birmingham. Let's

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try to get as much support as possible behind the route and lock

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it down and let's get on. We need it, but they need to listen to

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valid concerns. Stephanie, what do you say to that? I do believe that

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we shouldn't modernise the country and my group do as well and so do

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many people, but it's how we do. Aat some point we will reach

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capacity, but we have time to consider how to do it right. This

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is the biggest infrastructure project in the history of the UK.

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We must investigate every option and there are voices clamouring to

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the Government to say, why rush this through? Why deposit this

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hybrid Bill within the five-year term? Is it a legacy project for

:22:10.:22:16.

David Cameron? Is that why? If you look at the environment assessment

:22:16.:22:22.

we have not, considering this is going through a major consultation,

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we have not covered them proper. We'll have the results on the

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judicial reviews at the end of the month. There are bet are routes for

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the rest of the country. Thank you very much for making your case. So,

:22:41.:22:44.

its been 10 years and something like 1,500 programmes since we

:22:44.:22:46.

first brought you the Daily Politics. We've lived through boom,

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we've lived through bust. We've seen Mr Blair and Mr Brown ride off

:22:50.:22:53.

into the sunset and a coalition of former enemies emerge. There have

:22:53.:22:56.

been Budgets, election campaigns and periodic outbursts of loathing

:22:56.:23:05.

across the Despatch Boxes that would make your hair curl. Thank

:23:05.:23:10.

you for watching, if you've stuck with us throughout the last decade.

:23:10.:23:12.

And, just to celebrate this landmark in public service

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broadcasting, well, maybe, more of a bump than a landmark, here are a

:23:15.:23:25.
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Good morning, folks. It's a new year and new term at Westminster

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and a new look to the BBC's political programmes. Welcome to

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the first-ever edition of the Daily Politics. Joining me is George

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Osborne. Straight to the first caller. It's Bill. The one piece of

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advice I would give to Bill is there are some pretty clever

:23:58.:24:01.

financial products which enable you to, in effect, pass on your home or

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the value of your home to your son or daughter and then get personal

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care paid for by the State. I probably shouldn't be advocating

:24:11.:24:18.

this. And with these people, expect the unexpected! How we provide

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education and opportunity for children with learning difficulties

:24:21.:24:24.

and disabilities is vitally important. What I want to know is,

:24:24.:24:28.

do you want David Cameron to be Tory leader? When the time comes

:24:28.:24:33.

then I'll make my position absolutely clear. I got in

:24:33.:24:39.

Parliament in 2001. Give me a break! Andrew and Jenny were in

:24:39.:24:47.

confident mood. Under 20 minutes. That's optimistic. It's one mile.

:24:47.:24:52.

Our flowers Andrew and Jenny were wilting. Well, we waited and waited.

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And there they were, plucky, but pathetic. The cookies are four of

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the Tory policies that you have stolen. David Cameron gets a policy

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and 24 hours later it's in tatters. It's in pieces. Because you stole

:25:06.:25:09.

it. Would you like to be Prime Minister? I'm very, very happy. No,

:25:09.:25:15.

no, no. I'm very happy. They are shouting, yes. I'm very, very happy

:25:15.:25:20.

doing what - you know and I know how lucky am to be in the job I am.

:25:20.:25:27.

Lucky, lucky, lucky, Boris. We are joined by Peppa Pig. The question

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to the Labour Party is you have all the Civil Servants and all the data.

:25:33.:25:43.
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We have a mug for you. Have a bite of that Oh, yeah. Delicious! It's a

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glorious day opposite Parliament here in the heart of Westminster.

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Oh, yes, and the studio's also run out of power. I told Anita to get a

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shilling. I'm wearing a frock with no pockets for change, so sorry

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:26:11.:26:13.

about that. I'm sometimes mistaken for a former England team football

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manager, but one thing you'll never mistake me for is a Liberal

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Democrat. We are celebrating the coalition's first birthday with a

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cake. Would you like to join in? That's what Lord Prescott thinks!

:26:30.:26:36.

Welcome to the new all-singing and dancing Daily Politics. I know you

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and Mr Osborne like to play up differences, but when you drill

:26:39.:26:44.

into the figures you are not that far apart. When I talked about the

:26:44.:26:47.

equivalents the viewing figures plummeted so I'll not get into that

:26:47.:26:55.

again. The bonus tax will raise much? I haven't got quite the - I

:26:55.:26:58.

know we have worked out that figure. I'll have to get back to you on

:26:58.:27:08.
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that. Cup, saucer or thorm os! -- thermos! # Happy birthday to you.

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# Happy birthday to you. # Happy birthday dear Daily

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:27:31.:27:32.

Politics. # Happy birthday to you!

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Did you bake that? Nick Robinson knew there would be cake. Are you

:27:36.:27:46.
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ready, one, two, three. I'm covered in glitter! This is why Nick has

:27:47.:27:51.

come. I've been given a knife, but I've been told not to use it. Who

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is going to answer that question?! What a wonderful cake. We'll have

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that now. You have have to answer the quiz. Time for the result of

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the Guess the Year competition. Very, very easy this week, really.

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Yes, it was... 2003. You press the buzzer, Liam. Look behind. Two

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winners. Emma and Lynne. Of course, we have two winners. Nick, thank

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you for coming in to share. Thanks to all the viewers who sent

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birthday wishes on our tenth anniversary. Will we let the guests

:28:30.:28:37.

have a piece of cake? We will, but it's capped at 1%! We are dividing

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it equally. Except for pensioners and the disabled. Happy birth,

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Andrew? Thank you. And to you too. Thanks to all of the guests over

:28:44.:28:48.

Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn celebrate the tenth anniversary of the programme with a look back at some highlights of the last decade. The Guess the Year competition closes at 12.30 during the live transmission of this programme.


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