06/03/2013 Daily Politics


06/03/2013

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Morning, folks, welcome to the Daily Morning, folks, welcome to the Daily

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Politics. The Chancellor loses his Politics. The Chancellor loses his

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Politics. The Chancellor loses his Politics. The Chancellor loses his

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battle in Brussels against a cap on battle in Brussels against a cap on

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battle in Brussels against a cap on bankers' bonuses. The European Union

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bankers' bonuses. The European Union bankers' bonuses. The European Union

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bankers' bonuses. The European Union will tell the City how they should

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will tell the City how they should reward their staff.

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reward their staff. reward their staff.

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reward their staff. "They say cut back, we say fight

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"They say cut back, we say fight "They say cut back, we say fight

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back" - the National union of back" - the National union of

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back" - the National union of ministers is in full voice, railing

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ministers is in full voice, railing ministers is in full voice, railing

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against threatened cuts to their against threatened cuts to their

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against threatened cuts to their departments, but who will prevail in

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Cabinet? Cabinet?

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Cabinet? Cabinet?

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Don't keep calm and carry on - the Don't keep calm and carry on - the

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Don't keep calm and carry on - the work and pensions secretary admits

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work and pensions secretary admits work and pensions secretary admits

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that the benefits system is in that the benefits system is in

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that the benefits system is in crisis over the expected surge in

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crisis over the expected surge in immigrants from Bulgaria and

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Romania. Romania.

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Romania. And they did integrate to listing

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And they did integrate to listing And they did integrate to listing

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And they did integrate to listing for Preston bus station? We will ask

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for Preston bus station? We will ask for Preston bus station? We will ask

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for Preston bus station? We will ask the man who can save it from the

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wrecker's ball. wrecker's ball.

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wrecker's ball. wrecker's ball.

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All that in the next 90 minutes of All that in the next 90 minutes of

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All that in the next 90 minutes of public service podcasting at its

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public service podcasting at its public service podcasting at its

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finest, including, at no extra cost, finest, including, at no extra cost,

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finest, including, at no extra cost, Prime Minister's Questions, live at

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Prime Minister's Questions, live at Prime Minister's Questions, live at

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mid-day, of course. Joining us, mid-day, of course. Joining us,

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mid-day, of course. Joining us, culture Minister Ed Vaizey and a

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culture Minister Ed Vaizey and a culture Minister Ed Vaizey and a

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woman who has been making the woman who has been making the

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woman who has been making the running on the food contamination

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running on the food contamination running on the food contamination

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running on the food contamination scandal, never one to look a gift

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scandal, never one to look a gift scandal, never one to look a gift

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scandal, never one to look a gift horse in the mouth. It is shadow

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horse in the mouth. It is shadow environment secretary, Mary Creagh.

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environment secretary, Mary Creagh. environment secretary, Mary Creagh.

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First this morning, the Chancellor First this morning, the Chancellor

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First this morning, the Chancellor First this morning, the Chancellor

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First this morning, the Chancellor has not made a hue and cry about his

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has not made a hue and cry about his has not made a hue and cry about his

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opposition to a cap on anchors' opposition to a cap on anchors'

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opposition to a cap on anchors' bonuses, because it is not exactly

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bonuses, because it is not exactly bonuses, because it is not exactly

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eight pillar rallying cry. But he eight pillar rallying cry. But he

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eight pillar rallying cry. But he did go to Brussels yesterday hoping

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did go to Brussels yesterday hoping did go to Brussels yesterday hoping

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did go to Brussels yesterday hoping to win concessions from the EU. He

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to win concessions from the EU. He to win concessions from the EU. He

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came back pretty much empty handed, came back pretty much empty handed,

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came back pretty much empty handed, came back pretty much empty handed,

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came back pretty much empty handed, on the right end of a 26 to one

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on the right end of a 26 to one on the right end of a 26 to one

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on the right end of a 26 to one vote. Bonuses in the City of London

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vote. Bonuses in the City of London vote. Bonuses in the City of London

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vote. Bonuses in the City of London look like they will be limited to no

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look like they will be limited to no look like they will be limited to no

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look like they will be limited to no more than the basic salary of the

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more than the basic salary of the more than the basic salary of the

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banker, although they could be banker, although they could be

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banker, although they could be banker, although they could be

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double that if you get the approval double that if you get the approval

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double that if you get the approval of three quarters of a bank's

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of three quarters of a bank's of three quarters of a bank's

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shareholders. The Mayor of London, shareholders. The Mayor of London,

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shareholders. The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, has given his

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Boris Johnson, has given his Boris Johnson, has given his

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Boris Johnson, has given his reaction. I wonder what it will be.

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reaction. I wonder what it will be. reaction. I wonder what it will be.

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reaction. I wonder what it will be. reaction. I wonder what it will be.

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I don't think it is the end of the I don't think it is the end of the

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I don't think it is the end of the story. We will make sure the

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story. We will make sure the story. We will make sure the

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negotiations continue and try to negotiations continue and try to

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negotiations continue and try to ameliorate the proposal to make sure

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ameliorate the proposal to make sure ameliorate the proposal to make sure

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ameliorate the proposal to make sure it is not damaging to the interests

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it is not damaging to the interests it is not damaging to the interests

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it is not damaging to the interests of London. If it were to have the

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of London. If it were to have the of London. If it were to have the

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effect that they propose, the most effect that they propose, the most

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effect that they propose, the most effect that they propose, the most

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it could achieve is not so much to it could achieve is not so much to

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it could achieve is not so much to damage the interests of the greatest

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damage the interests of the greatest damage the interests of the greatest

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financial centre in Europe, i.e. financial centre in Europe, i.e.

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financial centre in Europe, i.e. London, but the whole of Europe.

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London, but the whole of Europe. London, but the whole of Europe.

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Ed Vaizey, these are sensible Ed Vaizey, these are sensible

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Ed Vaizey, these are sensible proposals that will curb the

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proposals that will curb the proposals that will curb the

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excesses of bankers' bonuses. excesses of bankers' bonuses.

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excesses of bankers' bonuses. the politics of this, it is

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the politics of this, it is the politics of this, it is

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difficult to defend bankers. I difficult to defend bankers. I

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difficult to defend bankers. I remember having to defend the

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remember having to defend the remember having to defend the

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bonuses at the Royal Bank of bonuses at the Royal Bank of

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bonuses at the Royal Bank of Scotland last year. It is not

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Scotland last year. It is not Scotland last year. It is not

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popular, but George Osborne is doing popular, but George Osborne is doing

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popular, but George Osborne is doing popular, but George Osborne is doing

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the right thing. The City is an the right thing. The City is an

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the right thing. The City is an important part of our economy. But

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important part of our economy. But important part of our economy. But

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important part of our economy. But he is also pointing out flaws in the

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he is also pointing out flaws in the he is also pointing out flaws in the

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argument. If you cap bonuses, the argument. If you cap bonuses, the

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argument. If you cap bonuses, the way bankers are remunerated will

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way bankers are remunerated will simply transferred to their

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simply transferred to their simply transferred to their

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simply transferred to their salaries. It is easier to claw back

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salaries. It is easier to claw back salaries. It is easier to claw back

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salaries. It is easier to claw back bonuses when times are tough and we

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bonuses when times are tough and we bonuses when times are tough and we

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bonuses when times are tough and we feel the City should take a bigger

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feel the City should take a bigger feel the City should take a bigger

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contribution. Boris Johnson is also contribution. Boris Johnson is also

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contribution. Boris Johnson is also contribution. Boris Johnson is also

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making a point at the City is making a point at the City is

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making a point at the City is important for the UK economy, as

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important for the UK economy, as important for the UK economy, as

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part of the European single market, part of the European single market,

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part of the European single market, part of the European single market,

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it is important that Europe also has it is important that Europe also has

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it is important that Europe also has a strong financial centre. But he

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a strong financial centre. But he a strong financial centre. But he

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a strong financial centre. But he lost the argument. He fought for the

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lost the argument. He fought for the lost the argument. He fought for the

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lost the argument. He fought for the City of London and for Europe. We

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City of London and for Europe. We City of London and for Europe. We

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don't want business going to America don't want business going to America

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don't want business going to America don't want business going to America

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and Asia. But he lost the argument and Asia. But he lost the argument

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and Asia. But he lost the argument in response to questions about a

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in response to questions about a in response to questions about a

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legal challenge to the cap. The legal challenge to the cap. The

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finance commissioner said, good finance commissioner said, good

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finance commissioner said, good finance commissioner said, good

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finance commissioner said, good luck. It is game up. And that is as

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luck. It is game up. And that is as luck. It is game up. And that is as

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luck. It is game up. And that is as a result of having no friends in the

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a result of having no friends in the a result of having no friends in the

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a result of having no friends in the EU. 26 to one. I think we are

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EU. 26 to one. I think we are EU. 26 to one. I think we are

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gaining influence in London. The gaining influence in London. The

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gaining influence in London. The prime minister has spoken out. I

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prime minister has spoken out. I prime minister has spoken out. I

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know we will be talking about know we will be talking about

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know we will be talking about immigration and the impact on the

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immigration and the impact on the immigration and the impact on the

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benefit system later will stop benefit system later will stop

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benefit system later will stop benefit system later will stop

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Germany has now woken up to that Germany has now woken up to that

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Germany has now woken up to that Germany has now woken up to that

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issue. We have lots of allies in issue. We have lots of allies in

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issue. We have lots of allies in Europe. Mary Creagh, what will you

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Europe. Mary Creagh, what will you Europe. Mary Creagh, what will you

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do to Labour's bankers' bonus tax? do to Labour's bankers' bonus tax?

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do to Labour's bankers' bonus tax? do to Labour's bankers' bonus tax?

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We still want to have a bankers' We still want to have a bankers'

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We still want to have a bankers' bonus tax. It is extraordinary that

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bonus tax. It is extraordinary that bonus tax. It is extraordinary that

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bonus tax. It is extraordinary that we have a tax cut for people on

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we have a tax cut for people on we have a tax cut for people on

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incomes of over �1 million. That incomes of over �1 million. That

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incomes of over �1 million. That incomes of over �1 million. That

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will be a large number of bankers will be a large number of bankers

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will be a large number of bankers who have received their bonus this

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who have received their bonus this who have received their bonus this

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who have received their bonus this year. We want to see that money

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year. We want to see that money year. We want to see that money

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going into guaranteeing a job for going into guaranteeing a job for

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going into guaranteeing a job for going into guaranteeing a job for

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every young person who has been out every young person who has been out

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every young person who has been out every young person who has been out

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every young person who has been out of work for a year. But you will not

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of work for a year. But you will not of work for a year. But you will not

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of work for a year. But you will not have enough money to spend your --

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have enough money to spend your -- have enough money to spend your --

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fund your spending commitments. fund your spending commitments.

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fund your spending commitments. fund your spending commitments.

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will have to look at what levels will have to look at what levels

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will have to look at what levels will have to look at what levels

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these bonuses come in. But we are these bonuses come in. But we are

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these bonuses come in. But we are talking about people earning perhaps

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talking about people earning perhaps talking about people earning perhaps

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talking about people earning perhaps up to 400 thousand pounds a year,

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up to 400 thousand pounds a year, getting potentially double their

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getting potentially double their getting potentially double their

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salary. These are fantastic sums of salary. These are fantastic sums of

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salary. These are fantastic sums of salary. These are fantastic sums of

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money. I was in Wakefield last week money. I was in Wakefield last week

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money. I was in Wakefield last week and had three people breaking down

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and had three people breaking down and had three people breaking down

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and had three people breaking down in tears because of the bedroom tax.

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in tears because of the bedroom tax. in tears because of the bedroom tax.

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These people live in a different These people live in a different

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These people live in a different These people live in a different

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world to the reality of what people world to the reality of what people

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world to the reality of what people world to the reality of what people

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who are squeezed our feeling in the who are squeezed our feeling in the

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who are squeezed our feeling in the who are squeezed our feeling in the

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country. Many of the public will be country. Many of the public will be

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country. Many of the public will be country. Many of the public will be

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country. Many of the public will be on your side. At let me come back to

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on your side. At let me come back to on your side. At let me come back to

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the spending commitments of labour. the spending commitments of labour.

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the spending commitments of labour. the spending commitments of labour.

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You will not be able to fulfil You will not be able to fulfil

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You will not be able to fulfil those, because you would get less

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those, because you would get less those, because you would get less

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those, because you would get less money in power from a bankers' bonus

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money in power from a bankers' bonus money in power from a bankers' bonus

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money in power from a bankers' bonus tax if they were not getting the

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tax if they were not getting the tax if they were not getting the

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tax if they were not getting the bonuses. I am not clear on when this

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bonuses. I am not clear on when this bonuses. I am not clear on when this

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bonuses. I am not clear on when this change comes in. 2014? We will have

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change comes in. 2014? We will have change comes in. 2014? We will have

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to put that into our spending to put that into our spending

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to put that into our spending commitments. We think it is a

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commitments. We think it is a commitments. We think it is a

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sensible way forward. We have record sensible way forward. We have record

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fines from LIBOR fixing, fines from LIBOR fixing,

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money-laundering. The anchors have money-laundering. The anchors have

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money-laundering. The anchors have not understood the damage they have

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not understood the damage they have not understood the damage they have

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not understood the damage they have caused to the economy. Ed is right,

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caused to the economy. Ed is right, caused to the economy. Ed is right,

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caused to the economy. Ed is right, the City of London is an important

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the City of London is an important the City of London is an important

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global player, but all this talk global player, but all this talk

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global player, but all this talk global player, but all this talk

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about them moving to New York or about them moving to New York or

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about them moving to New York or about them moving to New York or

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Switzerland, we had that in 2008 and Switzerland, we had that in 2008 and

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Switzerland, we had that in 2008 and Switzerland, we had that in 2008 and

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it has not moved -- it has not it has not moved -- it has not

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it has not moved -- it has not happened. That has always been the

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happened. That has always been the happened. That has always been the

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happened. That has always been the line that anchors fall back on, but

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line that anchors fall back on, but line that anchors fall back on, but

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line that anchors fall back on, but there was not much evidence of a

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there was not much evidence of a there was not much evidence of a

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mass move -Nancy is. -- financiers. mass move -Nancy is. -- financiers.

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mass move -Nancy is. -- financiers. mass move -Nancy is. -- financiers.

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Some people did move out, but it is Some people did move out, but it is

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Some people did move out, but it is important that you don't continually

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important that you don't continually important that you don't continually

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attack the City of London. People attack the City of London. People

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attack the City of London. People are obviously outraged by what went

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are obviously outraged by what went are obviously outraged by what went

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are obviously outraged by what went on and the salaries that bankers get

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on and the salaries that bankers get on and the salaries that bankers get

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paid. But they contribute an paid. But they contribute an

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paid. But they contribute an enormous amount in taxes as well,

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enormous amount in taxes as well, enormous amount in taxes as well,

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enormous amount in taxes as well, and they act as a magnet for

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and they act as a magnet for and they act as a magnet for

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business. What does George Osborne business. What does George Osborne

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business. What does George Osborne business. What does George Osborne

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do now? It is going to happen. From do now? It is going to happen. From

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do now? It is going to happen. From do now? It is going to happen. From

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2014, there will be a cap. 2014, there will be a cap.

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2014, there will be a cap. 2014, there will be a cap.

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should not be so defeatist. We will should not be so defeatist. We will

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should not be so defeatist. We will negotiate with Europe and continue

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negotiate with Europe and continue negotiate with Europe and continue

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negotiate with Europe and continue to make the case. We have a welfare

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to make the case. We have a welfare to make the case. We have a welfare

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to make the case. We have a welfare cap but not a bankers' bonus cap,

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cap but not a bankers' bonus cap, cap but not a bankers' bonus cap,

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that is extraordinary. It is that is extraordinary. It is

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that is extraordinary. It is important to make sure we continue

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important to make sure we continue important to make sure we continue

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important to make sure we continue to see investment in the City of

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to see investment in the City of to see investment in the City of

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London so that they don't go London so that they don't go

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London so that they don't go elsewhere. Mary Creagh, what would

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elsewhere. Mary Creagh, what would elsewhere. Mary Creagh, what would

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you do if bankers' basic salaries you do if bankers' basic salaries

:08:04.:08:05.

you do if bankers' basic salaries you do if bankers' basic salaries

:08:05.:08:08.

shot up? There would be nothing to shot up? There would be nothing to

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shot up? There would be nothing to stop that. The bankers' salaries did

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stop that. The bankers' salaries did stop that. The bankers' salaries did

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stop that. The bankers' salaries did increase. We saw basic pay in the

:08:14.:08:19.

increase. We saw basic pay in the increase. We saw basic pay in the

:08:19.:08:19.

City rising. That also contributes City rising. That also contributes

:08:19.:08:22.

City rising. That also contributes City rising. That also contributes

:08:22.:08:23.

City rising. That also contributes to the tax take. We need to create a

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to the tax take. We need to create a to the tax take. We need to create a

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system where the bankers are system where the bankers are

:08:27.:08:28.

system where the bankers are incentivised. We want to turn these

:08:28.:08:29.

incentivised. We want to turn these incentivised. We want to turn these

:08:29.:08:30.

big state-owned banks around. We big state-owned banks around. We

:08:30.:08:32.

big state-owned banks around. We big state-owned banks around. We

:08:32.:08:33.

want to get them lending. But when want to get them lending. But when

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want to get them lending. But when you are talking about people earning

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you are talking about people earning you are talking about people earning

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you are talking about people earning half �1 million a year and �1

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half �1 million a year and �1 half �1 million a year and �1

:08:38.:08:39.

million in their bonus, this is million in their bonus, this is

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million in their bonus, this is fantasy land for the people I

:08:40.:08:42.

fantasy land for the people I fantasy land for the people I

:08:42.:08:43.

represent in Wakefield. Even if they represent in Wakefield. Even if they

:08:43.:08:44.

represent in Wakefield. Even if they have contributed to turning around a

:08:45.:08:47.

have contributed to turning around a have contributed to turning around a

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back? For example, people who have back? For example, people who have

:08:48.:08:49.

back? For example, people who have helped earn huge profits for an

:08:49.:08:50.

helped earn huge profits for an helped earn huge profits for an

:08:50.:08:52.

individual bank that does then start individual bank that does then start

:08:52.:08:55.

individual bank that does then start to lend? We have seen losses

:08:55.:08:56.

to lend? We have seen losses to lend? We have seen losses

:08:56.:08:57.

reported at Royal Bank of Scotland reported at Royal Bank of Scotland

:08:57.:08:59.

reported at Royal Bank of Scotland and Lloyds. We don't see these

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and Lloyds. We don't see these and Lloyds. We don't see these

:09:00.:09:01.

profits, they are still state profits, they are still state

:09:01.:09:02.

liabilities. The government is liabilities. The government is

:09:02.:09:04.

liabilities. The government is paying down the deficit the banks

:09:04.:09:05.

paying down the deficit the banks paying down the deficit the banks

:09:05.:09:08.

paying down the deficit the banks left us on the backs of the poor,

:09:08.:09:09.

left us on the backs of the poor, left us on the backs of the poor,

:09:09.:09:11.

left us on the backs of the poor, and they are going back to Brussels

:09:11.:09:12.

and they are going back to Brussels and they are going back to Brussels

:09:12.:09:13.

and they are going back to Brussels to say that a cap on their

:09:13.:09:14.

to say that a cap on their to say that a cap on their

:09:14.:09:15.

remuneration is wrong. People will remuneration is wrong. People will

:09:15.:09:18.

remuneration is wrong. People will find that very strange. You are

:09:18.:09:19.

find that very strange. You are find that very strange. You are

:09:19.:09:20.

defending the indefensible? It is an defending the indefensible? It is an

:09:20.:09:21.

defending the indefensible? It is an defending the indefensible? It is an

:09:21.:09:22.

emotive issue, but you have to take emotive issue, but you have to take

:09:22.:09:23.

emotive issue, but you have to take emotive issue, but you have to take

:09:23.:09:25.

the heat out of this and import -- the heat out of this and import --

:09:25.:09:26.

the heat out of this and import -- understand that this is a very

:09:26.:09:27.

understand that this is a very understand that this is a very

:09:27.:09:31.

important industry. The taxes the important industry. The taxes the

:09:31.:09:31.

important industry. The taxes the banks generate up paper welfare.

:09:31.:09:32.

banks generate up paper welfare. banks generate up paper welfare.

:09:32.:09:34.

banks generate up paper welfare. Labour had a tax on the rich for

:09:34.:09:35.

Labour had a tax on the rich for Labour had a tax on the rich for

:09:35.:09:36.

most the entire length of its most the entire length of its

:09:36.:09:37.

most the entire length of its government. I will not take lessons

:09:37.:09:39.

government. I will not take lessons government. I will not take lessons

:09:39.:09:40.

government. I will not take lessons from Labour on how you tax the rich.

:09:40.:09:42.

from Labour on how you tax the rich. from Labour on how you tax the rich.

:09:42.:09:43.

from Labour on how you tax the rich. We take much more from a tax on

:09:43.:09:45.

We take much more from a tax on We take much more from a tax on

:09:45.:09:47.

bankers' bonuses and labour of the bankers' bonuses and labour of the

:09:47.:09:51.

bankers' bonuses and labour of the dead. But funding the City is

:09:51.:09:52.

dead. But funding the City is dead. But funding the City is

:09:52.:09:54.

important. It generates wealth for important. It generates wealth for

:09:54.:09:54.

important. It generates wealth for important. It generates wealth for

:09:54.:09:56.

Europe, and if we continue to attack Europe, and if we continue to attack

:09:56.:09:56.

Europe, and if we continue to attack the City, the business will go

:09:56.:10:00.

the City, the business will go the City, the business will go

:10:00.:10:01.

elsewhere. Allowing people to earn elsewhere. Allowing people to earn

:10:01.:10:02.

elsewhere. Allowing people to earn elsewhere. Allowing people to earn

:10:02.:10:03.

half �1 million is not an attack on half �1 million is not an attack on

:10:03.:10:04.

half �1 million is not an attack on half �1 million is not an attack on

:10:04.:10:06.

City workers. We are joined now by City workers. We are joined now by

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City workers. We are joined now by Allister Heath, editor of City AM.

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Allister Heath, editor of City AM. Allister Heath, editor of City AM.

:10:14.:10:16.

Allister Heath, editor of City AM. What is the reaction in the City to

:10:16.:10:19.

What is the reaction in the City to What is the reaction in the City to

:10:19.:10:21.

What is the reaction in the City to be bankers' bonus cap? It will be a

:10:21.:10:24.

be bankers' bonus cap? It will be a be bankers' bonus cap? It will be a

:10:24.:10:25.

be bankers' bonus cap? It will be a live cap. That is the main view,

:10:25.:10:26.

live cap. That is the main view, live cap. That is the main view,

:10:26.:10:27.

live cap. That is the main view, because it will not bring down pay

:10:27.:10:28.

because it will not bring down pay because it will not bring down pay

:10:28.:10:30.

in total. It will change the in total. It will change the

:10:30.:10:31.

in total. It will change the in total. It will change the

:10:31.:10:32.

composition of day and move it more composition of day and move it more

:10:32.:10:33.

composition of day and move it more composition of day and move it more

:10:33.:10:34.

towards base pay, which will go up, towards base pay, which will go up,

:10:34.:10:35.

towards base pay, which will go up, and reduce bonuses. That will make

:10:35.:10:40.

and reduce bonuses. That will make and reduce bonuses. That will make

:10:40.:10:41.

banks riskier and reduce the banks riskier and reduce the

:10:41.:10:41.

banks riskier and reduce the connection between people who work

:10:41.:10:48.

connection between people who work connection between people who work

:10:48.:10:49.

hard and their reward. At the hard and their reward. At the

:10:49.:10:51.

hard and their reward. At the moment, banks can reduce their costs

:10:51.:10:54.

moment, banks can reduce their costs moment, banks can reduce their costs

:10:54.:10:55.

in downturns by reducing bonuses if in downturns by reducing bonuses if

:10:55.:10:57.

in downturns by reducing bonuses if in downturns by reducing bonuses if

:10:57.:10:57.

there is a recession. Under the new there is a recession. Under the new

:10:57.:10:58.

there is a recession. Under the new system, they would have to fire

:10:58.:11:00.

system, they would have to fire system, they would have to fire

:11:00.:11:00.

system, they would have to fire thousands. There is also a lot of

:11:00.:11:03.

thousands. There is also a lot of thousands. There is also a lot of

:11:03.:11:03.

thousands. There is also a lot of talk in the City that the cap might

:11:03.:11:04.

talk in the City that the cap might talk in the City that the cap might

:11:04.:11:06.

talk in the City that the cap might apply to far more far -- firms than

:11:06.:11:08.

apply to far more far -- firms than apply to far more far -- firms than

:11:08.:11:10.

just banks. There is speculation just banks. There is speculation

:11:10.:11:13.

just banks. There is speculation just banks. There is speculation

:11:13.:11:14.

that it might apply to 2700 firms that it might apply to 2700 firms

:11:14.:11:15.

that it might apply to 2700 firms which are currently covered by FSA

:11:15.:11:18.

which are currently covered by FSA which are currently covered by FSA

:11:18.:11:19.

compensation rules full top this is compensation rules full top this is

:11:19.:11:20.

compensation rules full top this is a far-reaching change and one which

:11:20.:11:22.

a far-reaching change and one which a far-reaching change and one which

:11:22.:11:23.

will not achieve its impending -- will not achieve its impending --

:11:23.:11:24.

will not achieve its impending -- intended aim to make the system

:11:24.:11:26.

intended aim to make the system intended aim to make the system

:11:26.:11:28.

fairer will stop instead, it will fairer will stop instead, it will

:11:28.:11:31.

fairer will stop instead, it will make the system riskier and risk

:11:31.:11:33.

make the system riskier and risk make the system riskier and risk

:11:33.:11:33.

driving business out of London. If driving business out of London. If

:11:33.:11:35.

driving business out of London. If driving business out of London. If

:11:35.:11:36.

you are a global firm, you have an you are a global firm, you have an

:11:36.:11:38.

you are a global firm, you have an incentive to move to locations like

:11:38.:11:39.

incentive to move to locations like incentive to move to locations like

:11:39.:11:40.

incentive to move to locations like New York. If you are based in the

:11:40.:11:41.

New York. If you are based in the New York. If you are based in the

:11:41.:11:42.

European Union, you have an European Union, you have an

:11:42.:11:43.

European Union, you have an incentive to move your entire firm

:11:43.:11:46.

incentive to move your entire firm incentive to move your entire firm

:11:46.:11:47.

incentive to move your entire firm outside full up there are a lot of

:11:47.:11:49.

outside full up there are a lot of disadvantages. Ultimately, it will

:11:49.:11:50.

disadvantages. Ultimately, it will disadvantages. Ultimately, it will

:11:50.:11:51.

disadvantages. Ultimately, it will not bring down pay and will make pay

:11:51.:11:54.

not bring down pay and will make pay not bring down pay and will make pay

:11:54.:11:57.

riskier. At the moment, bonuses are riskier. At the moment, bonuses are

:11:57.:11:57.

riskier. At the moment, bonuses are almost always deferred and partly

:11:57.:11:58.

almost always deferred and partly almost always deferred and partly

:11:58.:12:03.

almost always deferred and partly paid in equity and so on. With a

:12:03.:12:06.

paid in equity and so on. With a paid in equity and so on. With a

:12:06.:12:07.

cap, cash will be paid immediately, cap, cash will be paid immediately,

:12:07.:12:09.

cap, cash will be paid immediately, which means all these attempts to

:12:09.:12:10.

which means all these attempts to which means all these attempts to

:12:10.:12:11.

try underlying performance with pay try underlying performance with pay

:12:11.:12:20.

will be dilutive. will be dilutive.

:12:20.:12:21.

will be dilutive. The prime minister has launched a

:12:21.:12:23.

The prime minister has launched a charm offensive with his

:12:23.:12:23.

charm offensive with his backbenchers after the humiliation

:12:23.:12:25.

backbenchers after the humiliation backbenchers after the humiliation

:12:25.:12:26.

of taking third place in last of taking third place in last

:12:26.:12:28.

of taking third place in last week's Eastleigh by-election. It is

:12:28.:12:28.

week's Eastleigh by-election. It is week's Eastleigh by-election. It is

:12:28.:12:30.

drawn and chicken sandwiches at drawn and chicken sandwiches at

:12:30.:12:33.

drawn and chicken sandwiches at number ten, with no horsemeat. David

:12:33.:12:35.

number ten, with no horsemeat. David number ten, with no horsemeat. David

:12:35.:12:35.

Cameron himself has been doing Cameron himself has been doing

:12:35.:12:40.

Cameron himself has been doing impressions of William Hague. But it

:12:40.:12:41.

impressions of William Hague. But it impressions of William Hague. But it

:12:41.:12:43.

has not just been backbenchers has not just been backbenchers

:12:43.:12:44.

has not just been backbenchers sounding off. Ministers are also

:12:44.:12:45.

sounding off. Ministers are also sounding off. Ministers are also

:12:45.:12:46.

lobbying ahead of this summer's lobbying ahead of this summer's

:12:46.:12:47.

lobbying ahead of this summer's spending review. It is providing an

:12:47.:12:51.

spending review. It is providing an interesting spec to call.

:12:51.:12:52.

interesting spec to call. interesting spec to call.

:12:52.:12:54.

interesting spec to call. They call them the National union of

:12:55.:12:56.

They call them the National union of They call them the National union of

:12:56.:12:57.

ministers, saying no to further cuts ministers, saying no to further cuts

:12:57.:12:58.

ministers, saying no to further cuts in their departmental budgets in the

:12:58.:12:59.

in their departmental budgets in the in their departmental budgets in the

:12:59.:13:01.

next standing round which is due next standing round which is due

:13:01.:13:03.

next standing round which is due this summer. George Osborne is said

:13:03.:13:04.

this summer. George Osborne is said this summer. George Osborne is said

:13:04.:13:05.

this summer. George Osborne is said to want �10 billion of further cuts

:13:05.:13:06.

to want �10 billion of further cuts to want �10 billion of further cuts

:13:06.:13:07.

in 2015. The ministers say they in 2015. The ministers say they

:13:07.:13:10.

in 2015. The ministers say they can't do it. The most outspoken

:13:10.:13:11.

can't do it. The most outspoken can't do it. The most outspoken

:13:11.:13:12.

can't do it. The most outspoken member is Philip Hammond, who told a

:13:12.:13:13.

member is Philip Hammond, who told a newspaper that his defence

:13:13.:13:14.

newspaper that his defence newspaper that his defence

:13:14.:13:15.

Department can't take any more cuts Department can't take any more cuts

:13:15.:13:16.

Department can't take any more cuts without a significant impact on

:13:16.:13:19.

without a significant impact on without a significant impact on

:13:19.:13:20.

military capability. Then there is military capability. Then there is

:13:20.:13:21.

military capability. Then there is Theresa May. She is already trying

:13:21.:13:22.

Theresa May. She is already trying Theresa May. She is already trying

:13:22.:13:23.

Theresa May. She is already trying to cut the Home Office budget by

:13:23.:13:25.

to cut the Home Office budget by to cut the Home Office budget by

:13:25.:13:27.

23%. She has faced discontent from 23%. She has faced discontent from

:13:27.:13:28.

23%. She has faced discontent from 23%. She has faced discontent from

:13:28.:13:28.

the police and is reported to be the police and is reported to be

:13:28.:13:31.

the police and is reported to be opposing further cuts. Eric Pickles

:13:31.:13:32.

opposing further cuts. Eric Pickles opposing further cuts. Eric Pickles

:13:32.:13:33.

at communities and local government at communities and local government

:13:33.:13:34.

at communities and local government at communities and local government

:13:34.:13:36.

is also said to be furious about is also said to be furious about

:13:36.:13:37.

is also said to be furious about threatened cuts to his budget. And

:13:37.:13:38.

threatened cuts to his budget. And threatened cuts to his budget. And

:13:38.:13:39.

there is the shop steward, Vince there is the shop steward, Vince

:13:39.:13:41.

there is the shop steward, Vince Cable. He wants more investment in

:13:41.:13:42.

Cable. He wants more investment in Cable. He wants more investment in

:13:42.:13:44.

his business defilement, not less. his business defilement, not less.

:13:44.:13:45.

his business defilement, not less. This wrangling happens at every

:13:45.:13:46.

This wrangling happens at every This wrangling happens at every

:13:46.:13:47.

spending round, but this year the spending round, but this year the

:13:47.:13:48.

spending round, but this year the haggling is more public than usual.

:13:48.:13:49.

haggling is more public than usual. haggling is more public than usual.

:13:49.:13:50.

Let's speak to Philip Oppenheim, who Let's speak to Philip Oppenheim, who

:13:50.:13:52.

Let's speak to Philip Oppenheim, who Let's speak to Philip Oppenheim, who

:13:52.:13:53.

as a Treasury minister has in all as a Treasury minister has in all

:13:53.:13:55.

as a Treasury minister has in all this from the inside. How much

:13:55.:13:56.

this from the inside. How much this from the inside. How much

:13:56.:13:57.

pressure is the Treasury put under pressure is the Treasury put under

:13:57.:14:03.

pressure is the Treasury put under by ministerial colleagues? In a

:14:03.:14:04.

by ministerial colleagues? In a by ministerial colleagues? In a

:14:04.:14:05.

normal period of government when normal period of government when

:14:05.:14:09.

discipline reigns, the lobbying discipline reigns, the lobbying

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discipline reigns, the lobbying discipline reigns, the lobbying

:14:09.:14:10.

tends to be secretary of state to tends to be secretary of state to

:14:10.:14:12.

tends to be secretary of state to secretary of state or secretary of

:14:12.:14:13.

secretary of state or secretary of secretary of state or secretary of

:14:13.:14:15.

state to the chancellor of the state to the chancellor of the

:14:15.:14:18.

state to the chancellor of the extra. When discipline breaks down,

:14:18.:14:19.

extra. When discipline breaks down, extra. When discipline breaks down,

:14:19.:14:19.

extra. When discipline breaks down, which has always gone on, it tends

:14:19.:14:20.

which has always gone on, it tends which has always gone on, it tends

:14:20.:14:21.

to be most successful when the to be most successful when the

:14:21.:14:22.

to be most successful when the minister doing the lobbying has got

:14:22.:14:25.

minister doing the lobbying has got minister doing the lobbying has got

:14:25.:14:27.

the public sympathy and has prepared the public sympathy and has prepared

:14:27.:14:28.

the public sympathy and has prepared the public sympathy and has prepared

:14:28.:14:28.

the ground by making sure the media the ground by making sure the media

:14:28.:14:32.

the ground by making sure the media the ground by making sure the media

:14:32.:14:34.

are well briefed. How do you resist are well briefed. How do you resist

:14:34.:14:37.

are well briefed. How do you resist are well briefed. How do you resist

:14:37.:14:37.

over chores? It depends. If there is over chores? It depends. If there is

:14:37.:14:39.

over chores? It depends. If there is over chores? It depends. If there is

:14:39.:14:39.

over chores? It depends. If there is a head of steam behind it, it can be

:14:39.:14:41.

a head of steam behind it, it can be a head of steam behind it, it can be

:14:41.:14:43.

difficult to resist, especially when difficult to resist, especially when

:14:43.:14:44.

difficult to resist, especially when the government is relatively weak,

:14:44.:14:46.

the government is relatively weak, the government is relatively weak,

:14:46.:14:47.

the government is relatively weak, the government is relatively weak,

:14:47.:14:48.

as it was in 1997 when I was a as it was in 1997 when I was a

:14:48.:14:48.

as it was in 1997 when I was a Treasury minister. But it is not

:14:48.:14:52.

Treasury minister. But it is not Treasury minister. But it is not

:14:52.:14:53.

just ministry to ministry briefing. just ministry to ministry briefing.

:14:53.:14:56.

There are also industry There are also industry

:14:56.:14:56.

There are also industry representatives, and there and there

:14:56.:14:57.

representatives, and there and there representatives, and there and there

:14:57.:15:00.

is a more insidious briefing where is a more insidious briefing where

:15:00.:15:04.

the financial services industry the financial services industry

:15:04.:15:05.

the financial services industry the financial services industry

:15:05.:15:06.

tends to get its way at budget time. tends to get its way at budget time.

:15:06.:15:07.

tends to get its way at budget time. tends to get its way at budget time.

:15:07.:15:08.

His ring fencing of good idea? His ring fencing of good idea?

:15:08.:15:11.

His ring fencing of good idea? His ring fencing of good idea?

:15:11.:15:11.

can be, but it is ethical to can be, but it is ethical to

:15:11.:15:13.

can be, but it is ethical to enforce. What about Philip Hammond

:15:13.:15:15.

enforce. What about Philip Hammond enforce. What about Philip Hammond

:15:15.:15:17.

and Theresa May's chances? Philip and Theresa May's chances? Philip

:15:17.:15:17.

and Theresa May's chances? Philip Hammond probably has a better case,

:15:17.:15:20.

Hammond probably has a better case, Hammond probably has a better case,

:15:20.:15:21.

partly because the public are partly because the public are

:15:21.:15:22.

partly because the public are partly because the public are

:15:22.:15:23.

sympathetic to his cause and he has sympathetic to his cause and he has

:15:23.:15:27.

sympathetic to his cause and he has prepared the ground with the media.

:15:27.:15:28.

prepared the ground with the media. prepared the ground with the media.

:15:28.:15:31.

So Theresa May can forget her So Theresa May can forget her

:15:31.:15:32.

So Theresa May can forget her chances? Don't take my word for

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chances? Don't take my word for chances? Don't take my word for

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We are joined by Stephen Williams We are joined by Stephen Williams

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We are joined by Stephen Williams who has been observing all this.

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who has been observing all this. cutting expenditure so far. We are

:15:56.:15:56.

cutting expenditure so far. We are cutting expenditure so far. We are

:15:56.:15:58.

looking for the next round. What looking for the next round. What

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looking for the next round. What comes next in order to balance our

:15:58.:15:59.

comes next in order to balance our comes next in order to balance our

:15:59.:16:01.

books. The problem is we have books. The problem is we have

:16:02.:16:02.

protected the National Health protected the National Health

:16:02.:16:04.

protected the National Health Service and education which is two

:16:04.:16:05.

Service and education which is two Service and education which is two

:16:05.:16:07.

huge departments which means other huge departments which means other

:16:07.:16:07.

huge departments which means other departments have taken cuts and I

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departments have taken cuts and I can understand why Cabinet

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can understand why Cabinet can understand why Cabinet

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Ministers in those departments are Ministers in those departments are

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Ministers in those departments are are fretting about what is coming

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are fretting about what is coming down the line.

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down the line. down the line.

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down the line. When I spoke to Vince Cable, he

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When I spoke to Vince Cable, he When I spoke to Vince Cable, he

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didn't seem keen on the ring- didn't seem keen on the ring-

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didn't seem keen on the ring- fencing. What about you? The way

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fencing. What about you? The way fencing. What about you? The way

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the Government sets its budget and the Government sets its budget and

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the Government sets its budget and the Government sets its budget and

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sets its taxes would be peculiar to sets its taxes would be peculiar to

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sets its taxes would be peculiar to most people who worked in business

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most people who worked in business most people who worked in business

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which is the background I had which is the background I had

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which is the background I had which is the background I had

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before I became an MP. You should before I became an MP. You should

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before I became an MP. You should before I became an MP. You should

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start from the basics and say what start from the basics and say what

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start from the basics and say what start from the basics and say what

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does the Government need to do? We does the Government need to do? We

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does the Government need to do? We need to balance the nation's books.

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need to balance the nation's books. need to balance the nation's books.

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Maybe have a five year Budget, Maybe have a five year Budget,

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Maybe have a five year Budget, across Government and then have

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across Government and then have annual negotiations within that

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annual negotiations within that annual negotiations within that

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overall picture. What are you man overall picture. What are you man

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overall picture. What are you man ufrg for? -- manoeuvring for?

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ufrg for? -- manoeuvring for? ufrg for? -- manoeuvring for?

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we make these decisions, that we we make these decisions, that we

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we make these decisions, that we don't balance the books on the

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don't balance the books on the don't balance the books on the

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don't balance the books on the backs of the poor, that's why we

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backs of the poor, that's why we backs of the poor, that's why we

:17:06.:17:07.

have resisted further demands for have resisted further demands for

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have resisted further demands for welfare cuts from our coalition

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welfare cuts from our coalition welfare cuts from our coalition

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partners and certainly, we will not partners and certainly, we will not

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partners and certainly, we will not agree to further welfare cuts

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agree to further welfare cuts agree to further welfare cuts

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agree to further welfare cuts unless there are more taxes on the

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unless there are more taxes on the unless there are more taxes on the

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wealthiest in society. We are wealthiest in society. We are

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wealthiest in society. We are wealthiest in society. We are

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pushing for the the mansion tax and pushing for the the mansion tax and

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pushing for the the mansion tax and will not allow cutting housing

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will not allow cutting housing will not allow cutting housing

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will not allow cutting housing benefit for the under 25s which is

:17:24.:17:25.

benefit for the under 25s which is benefit for the under 25s which is

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an idea some coalition colleagues an idea some coalition colleagues

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are keen on. are keen on.

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are keen on. If the Conservatives agreed to some

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If the Conservatives agreed to some If the Conservatives agreed to some

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If the Conservatives agreed to some extra tax or levy on The Well off,

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extra tax or levy on The Well off, extra tax or levy on The Well off,

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what welfare cuts would you agree what welfare cuts would you agree

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what welfare cuts would you agree what welfare cuts would you agree

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to? We can open negotiations on how to? We can open negotiations on how

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to? We can open negotiations on how to? We can open negotiations on how

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we can reform the welfare budget. I we can reform the welfare budget. I

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we can reform the welfare budget. I thought you should look at the

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thought you should look at the thought you should look at the

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thought you should look at the welfare Budget in terms of what it

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welfare Budget in terms of what it welfare Budget in terms of what it

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is designed to achieve. You should is designed to achieve. You should

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is designed to achieve. You should look at is the welfare budget

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look at is the welfare budget look at is the welfare budget

:17:52.:17:53.

working? What's it doing to the working? What's it doing to the

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working? What's it doing to the housing market? You should look at

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housing market? You should look at housing market? You should look at

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housing benefits and changes from housing benefits and changes from

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housing benefits and changes from that, rather than trimming the

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that, rather than trimming the that, rather than trimming the

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budget and then worrying about the budget and then worrying about the

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budget and then worrying about the things that result from that and

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things that result from that and picking up the pieces.

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picking up the pieces. picking up the pieces.

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picking up the pieces. I am still not quite clear on what

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I am still not quite clear on what I am still not quite clear on what

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I am still not quite clear on what you would agree to. How does it

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you would agree to. How does it you would agree to. How does it

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you would agree to. How does it help the poor if you put extra tax

:18:12.:18:13.

help the poor if you put extra tax help the poor if you put extra tax

:18:13.:18:14.

help the poor if you put extra tax on the rich and cut the benefits of

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on the rich and cut the benefits of on the rich and cut the benefits of

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on the rich and cut the benefits of the poor? What I said our starting

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the poor? What I said our starting the poor? What I said our starting

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the poor? What I said our starting point as a Government should not be

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point as a Government should not be point as a Government should not be

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point as a Government should not be that we are going to balance the

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that we are going to balance the that we are going to balance the

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nation's books by making the nation's books by making the

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nation's books by making the poorest in society pay a

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poorest in society pay a poorest in society pay a

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disproportionate share of the cost disproportionate share of the cost

:18:29.:18:30.

disproportionate share of the cost of balancing the books. We should

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of balancing the books. We should of balancing the books. We should

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start off with the rich nest start off with the rich nest

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start off with the rich nest society. Those with the broadest

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society. Those with the broadest society. Those with the broadest

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society. Those with the broadest shoulders. Then you will go and get

:18:35.:18:37.

shoulders. Then you will go and get shoulders. Then you will go and get

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some from the poor, correct? Perhaps so.

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Perhaps so. Perhaps so.

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I don't understand the logic of I don't understand the logic of

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I don't understand the logic of I don't understand the logic of

:18:44.:18:45.

that. It is all right to hurt the that. It is all right to hurt the

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that. It is all right to hurt the poor as long as you are hurting the

:18:49.:18:50.

poor as long as you are hurting the poor as long as you are hurting the

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rich? Well, that's your position? rich? Well, that's your position?

:18:50.:18:52.

rich? Well, that's your position? rich? Well, that's your position?

:18:52.:18:52.

It is never all right to hurt the It is never all right to hurt the

:18:52.:18:53.

It is never all right to hurt the poor, but there is scope for

:18:53.:18:56.

poor, but there is scope for poor, but there is scope for

:18:56.:18:57.

further reform of the welfare further reform of the welfare

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further reform of the welfare budget. We have made changes

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budget. We have made changes budget. We have made changes

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budget. We have made changes already and they need to be bedded

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already and they need to be bedded already and they need to be bedded

:19:03.:19:05.

already and they need to be bedded in. There are things we could, a

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in. There are things we could, a in. There are things we could, a

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levy on properties over �1 million levy on properties over �1 million

:19:09.:19:11.

levy on properties over �1 million is a good place to start.

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is a good place to start. is a good place to start.

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is a good place to start. I don't think we support a mansion

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I don't think we support a mansion I don't think we support a mansion

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I don't think we support a mansion tax. I don't think it was in the

:19:17.:19:18.

tax. I don't think it was in the tax. I don't think it was in the

:19:18.:19:18.

coalition agreement that we were coalition agreement that we were

:19:18.:19:19.

coalition agreement that we were coalition agreement that we were

:19:19.:19:20.

going to have a mansion tax. If going to have a mansion tax. If

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going to have a mansion tax. If going to have a mansion tax. If

:19:20.:19:21.

they are going to put forward a new they are going to put forward a new

:19:21.:19:23.

they are going to put forward a new policy for the next coalition.

:19:23.:19:24.

policy for the next coalition. policy for the next coalition.

:19:24.:19:25.

policy for the next coalition. Where will you get the cuts from?

:19:25.:19:27.

Where will you get the cuts from? Where will you get the cuts from?

:19:27.:19:28.

Where will you get the cuts from? Where will you get the cuts from?

:19:28.:19:30.

You look at DCMS and you look at a You look at DCMS and you look at a

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You look at DCMS and you look at a model department which reduced its

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model department which reduced its model department which reduced its

:19:33.:19:34.

model department which reduced its spending and we are moving out of

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spending and we are moving out of the enormous building.

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the enormous building. the enormous building.

:19:38.:19:39.

This is the Department of Culture, This is the Department of Culture,

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media and sport. media and sport.

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media and sport. I didn't think it needed an

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I didn't think it needed an introduction. We reduced our

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overheads. overheads.

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overheads. overheads.

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I think Francis Maude is the untold I think Francis Maude is the untold

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I think Francis Maude is the untold story. When we came into Government,

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story. When we came into Government, story. When we came into Government,

:19:54.:19:56.

story. When we came into Government, we didn't know who our top ten

:19:56.:19:57.

we didn't know who our top ten we didn't know who our top ten

:19:57.:19:58.

suppliers were. Francis saved �5 suppliers were. Francis saved �5

:19:58.:19:59.

suppliers were. Francis saved �5 billion without breaking a sweat.

:19:59.:20:01.

billion without breaking a sweat. billion without breaking a sweat.

:20:01.:20:03.

Not in your department. What's your Not in your department. What's your

:20:03.:20:05.

Not in your department. What's your department's budget? It is a few

:20:05.:20:07.

billion quid. billion quid.

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billion quid. billion quid.

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That's a saving of a couple of That's a saving of a couple of

:20:11.:20:12.

billion straight awasmt nobody billion straight awasmt nobody

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billion straight awasmt nobody would -- away. Nobody would notice

:20:14.:20:16.

would -- away. Nobody would notice would -- away. Nobody would notice

:20:16.:20:17.

if your department disappeared? if your department disappeared?

:20:17.:20:20.

if your department disappeared? minute you read a leaflet where

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minute you read a leaflet where minute you read a leaflet where

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minute you read a leaflet where somebody is setting out how we will

:20:24.:20:27.

somebody is setting out how we will somebody is setting out how we will

:20:27.:20:28.

save money. Clearly, you are save money. Clearly, you are

:20:28.:20:31.

save money. Clearly, you are dealing with someone who is

:20:32.:20:33.

economically illiterate. economically illiterate.

:20:33.:20:38.

economically illiterate. A Government minister is calling

:20:38.:20:41.

A Government minister is calling A Government minister is calling

:20:41.:20:43.

the Institute of Economic affairs the Institute of Economic affairs

:20:43.:20:44.

the Institute of Economic affairs illiterate For a few hundred

:20:44.:20:44.

illiterate For a few hundred illiterate For a few hundred

:20:45.:20:46.

million you get the world's best million you get the world's best

:20:46.:20:47.

million you get the world's best museums and the world's best arts

:20:47.:20:49.

museums and the world's best arts museums and the world's best arts

:20:49.:20:51.

organisations. You get for a tiny organisations. You get for a tiny

:20:51.:20:54.

department, delivering a world- department, delivering a world-

:20:54.:20:56.

class Olympics delivering broadband class Olympics delivering broadband

:20:56.:21:02.

class Olympics delivering broadband class Olympics delivering broadband

:21:02.:21:02.

class Olympics delivering broadband though?. Is it thanks to you that I

:21:02.:21:03.

though?. Is it thanks to you that I though?. Is it thanks to you that I

:21:03.:21:03.

though?. Is it thanks to you that I have got broadband? Is it thanks to

:21:03.:21:04.

have got broadband? Is it thanks to have got broadband? Is it thanks to

:21:04.:21:06.

have got broadband? Is it thanks to you that I have got broadband? I

:21:06.:21:08.

you that I have got broadband? I you that I have got broadband? I

:21:08.:21:11.

you that I have got broadband? I thought it was thanks to Al Gore.

:21:11.:21:13.

thought it was thanks to Al Gore. thought it was thanks to Al Gore.

:21:13.:21:14.

thought it was thanks to Al Gore. He did invent the internet, you are

:21:14.:21:18.

right. right.

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right. right.

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I think it is interesting we have I think it is interesting we have

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I think it is interesting we have got Theresa May and Philip Hammond,

:21:23.:21:24.

got Theresa May and Philip Hammond, got Theresa May and Philip Hammond,

:21:24.:21:26.

got Theresa May and Philip Hammond, David Cameron seems to have a kind

:21:26.:21:28.

David Cameron seems to have a kind of leadership, pretend leadership

:21:28.:21:29.

of leadership, pretend leadership of leadership, pretend leadership

:21:30.:21:30.

challenge almost every other week. challenge almost every other week.

:21:30.:21:32.

challenge almost every other week. There is a suggestion they maybe

:21:32.:21:33.

There is a suggestion they maybe working working together.

:21:33.:21:36.

working working together. working working together.

:21:36.:21:38.

working working together. Who? Theresa May and Philip Ham ond.

:21:39.:21:44.

Who? Theresa May and Philip Ham ond. Who? Theresa May and Philip Ham ond.

:21:44.:21:44.

Who? Theresa May and Philip Ham ond. Who -- -- Hammond. Who knows. Well,

:21:44.:21:45.

Who -- -- Hammond. Who knows. Well, Who -- -- Hammond. Who knows. Well,

:21:45.:21:46.

Who -- -- Hammond. Who knows. Well, what we have said is we have got,

:21:46.:21:47.

what we have said is we have got, what we have said is we have got,

:21:47.:21:48.

what we have said is we have got, you know, I mean George Osborne has

:21:48.:21:50.

you know, I mean George Osborne has you know, I mean George Osborne has

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you know, I mean George Osborne has got a Budget coming up and if it

:21:51.:21:52.

got a Budget coming up and if it got a Budget coming up and if it

:21:52.:21:54.

got a Budget coming up and if it goes off OK, there will be sobs of

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goes off OK, there will be sobs of goes off OK, there will be sobs of

:21:57.:21:59.

relief across Government. Given the relief across Government. Given the

:21:59.:22:00.

relief across Government. Given the leaks from the Liberal Democrats of

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leaks from the Liberal Democrats of leaks from the Liberal Democrats of

:22:02.:22:03.

leaks from the Liberal Democrats of last year's Budget. It con be any

:22:03.:22:08.

last year's Budget. It con be any last year's Budget. It con be any

:22:08.:22:09.

worse, the pasty pasty tax, the worse, the pasty pasty tax, the

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worse, the pasty pasty tax, the worse, the pasty pasty tax, the

:22:11.:22:12.

granny tax. I am having my little granny tax. I am having my little

:22:12.:22:13.

granny tax. I am having my little granny tax. I am having my little

:22:13.:22:16.

say which is I think on the big say which is I think on the big

:22:16.:22:17.

say which is I think on the big issues Ed Miliband is showing a

:22:17.:22:19.

issues Ed Miliband is showing a mass massive leadership challenge

:22:19.:22:19.

mass massive leadership challenge mass massive leadership challenge

:22:19.:22:20.

mass massive leadership challenge to the Government and we will be

:22:20.:22:21.

to the Government and we will be to the Government and we will be

:22:21.:22:23.

talking about that after PMQs. talking about that after PMQs.

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talking about that after PMQs. talking about that after PMQs.

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This isn't about the Budget, is it? This isn't about the Budget, is it?

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This isn't about the Budget, is it? This is about the Spending Review.

:22:26.:22:28.

This is about the Spending Review. This is about the Spending Review.

:22:28.:22:30.

To mark our viewers cards, my To mark our viewers cards, my

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To mark our viewers cards, my understanding is that the current

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understanding is that the current understanding is that the current

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understanding is that the current spending takes us up to the end of

:22:32.:22:36.

spending takes us up to the end of spending takes us up to the end of

:22:36.:22:38.

the fiscal year 2015 and because the fiscal year 2015 and because

:22:38.:22:39.

the fiscal year 2015 and because the fiscal year 2015 and because

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the next year goes into for a month the next year goes into for a month

:22:40.:22:42.

the next year goes into for a month the next year goes into for a month

:22:42.:22:43.

or two before, when the election is, or two before, when the election is,

:22:43.:22:44.

or two before, when the election is, that the Spending Review has to

:22:44.:22:45.

that the Spending Review has to that the Spending Review has to

:22:45.:22:47.

that the Spending Review has to look at what spending will be in

:22:47.:22:48.

look at what spending will be in look at what spending will be in

:22:48.:22:50.

2015/16. That's all we are talking 2015/16. That's all we are talking

:22:50.:22:52.

2015/16. That's all we are talking 2015/16. That's all we are talking

:22:52.:22:54.

about, isn't it? It is not a three about, isn't it? It is not a three

:22:54.:22:56.

about, isn't it? It is not a three about, isn't it? It is not a three

:22:56.:22:57.

or a five year Spending Review, it or a five year Spending Review, it

:22:57.:22:59.

or a five year Spending Review, it or a five year Spending Review, it

:22:59.:23:02.

is an extra year? We are going to is an extra year? We are going to

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is an extra year? We are going to have to agree the spending envelope.

:23:03.:23:04.

have to agree the spending envelope. have to agree the spending envelope.

:23:04.:23:05.

have to agree the spending envelope. It will be hard to agree on detail

:23:05.:23:06.

It will be hard to agree on detail It will be hard to agree on detail

:23:06.:23:06.

It will be hard to agree on detail because that should be a subject of

:23:06.:23:08.

debate. debate.

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debate. Why don't you roll existing

:23:09.:23:10.

Why don't you roll existing Why don't you roll existing

:23:10.:23:11.

spending forward for a month until spending forward for a month until

:23:11.:23:13.

spending forward for a month until you have an election? Possibly, the

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you have an election? Possibly, the Treasury might do that.

:23:15.:23:17.

Treasury might do that. Treasury might do that.

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Treasury might do that. Oh, you have been thinking. I have.

:23:19.:23:22.

Oh, you have been thinking. I have. Oh, you have been thinking. I have.

:23:22.:23:23.

Oh, you have been thinking. I have. It is bonkers that we pay some

:23:23.:23:25.

It is bonkers that we pay some universal benefits to rich

:23:25.:23:27.

universal benefits to rich universal benefits to rich

:23:27.:23:29.

pensioners. Why should the Duke of pensioners. Why should the Duke of

:23:29.:23:30.

pensioners. Why should the Duke of pensioners. Why should the Duke of

:23:30.:23:31.

bu fort, the richest man in Greater bu fort, the richest man in Greater

:23:31.:23:32.

bu fort, the richest man in Greater Bristol get the winter fuel

:23:33.:23:35.

Bristol get the winter fuel Bristol get the winter fuel

:23:35.:23:45.
:23:45.:23:46.

allowance? That's the only reason... allowance? That's the only reason...

:23:46.:23:48.

allowance? That's the only reason... allowance? That's the only reason...

:23:48.:23:50.

Ed Vaizey The issue that neither of Ed Vaizey The issue that neither of

:23:50.:23:51.

Ed Vaizey The issue that neither of you, with the economy flat lining,

:23:51.:23:53.

you, with the economy flat lining, you, with the economy flat lining,

:23:53.:23:55.

you, with the economy flat lining, neither of you are able to pay down

:23:55.:23:57.

neither of you are able to pay down neither of you are able to pay down

:23:57.:24:00.

the debt. You are borrowing more the debt. You are borrowing more

:24:00.:24:02.

the debt. You are borrowing more than you predicted because whatever

:24:02.:24:02.

than you predicted because whatever than you predicted because whatever

:24:02.:24:04.

than you predicted because whatever you have done has not worked. The

:24:04.:24:05.

you have done has not worked. The you have done has not worked. The

:24:05.:24:06.

you have done has not worked. The debt is growing and the deficit is

:24:06.:24:08.

debt is growing and the deficit is debt is growing and the deficit is

:24:08.:24:09.

increasing and... The deficit is increasing and... The deficit is

:24:09.:24:15.

increasing and... The deficit is increasing and... The deficit is

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not increasing, but the debt is. not increasing, but the debt is.

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not increasing, but the debt is. not increasing, but the debt is.

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is on track to be at the moment. is on track to be at the moment.

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is on track to be at the moment. is on track to be at the moment.

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What you are doing is borrowing to What you are doing is borrowing to

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What you are doing is borrowing to What you are doing is borrowing to

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keep people on benefits and on the keep people on benefits and on the

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keep people on benefits and on the keep people on benefits and on the

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dole. We want to see borrowing to dole. We want to see borrowing to

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dole. We want to see borrowing to dole. We want to see borrowing to

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keep people, but it is because of keep people, but it is because of

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under employment and part-time under employment and part-time

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under employment and part-time employment and people saying they

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employment and people saying they employment and people saying they

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are self-employed. People will do are self-employed. People will do

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are self-employed. People will do anything not to say they are

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anything not to say they are anything not to say they are

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anything not to say they are unemployed. We have run out of time.

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unemployed. We have run out of time. unemployed. We have run out of time.

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unemployed. We have run out of time. I am sorry, I know you were, but

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I am sorry, I know you were, but I am sorry, I know you were, but

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I am sorry, I know you were, but you were a slow starter if I may

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say so. say so.

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say so. say so.

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Thank you. Now Jo, it is time to Thank you. Now Jo, it is time to

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get entertaining. Debrett's have get entertaining. Debrett's have

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get entertaining. Debrett's have issued new guidelines for those too

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issued new guidelines for those too issued new guidelines for those too

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issued new guidelines for those too issued new guidelines for those too

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biz yu too busy to rustle up a meal, biz yu too busy to rustle up a meal,

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biz yu too busy to rustle up a meal, biz yu too busy to rustle up a meal,

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it is acceptable to serve them a it is acceptable to serve them a

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it is acceptable to serve them a take take keep away -- takeaway.

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take take keep away -- takeaway. take take keep away -- takeaway.

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take take keep away -- takeaway. We don't have a takeaway for you,

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We don't have a takeaway for you, We don't have a takeaway for you,

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According to Debrett's it should be a cup and saucer and we should be

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a cup and saucer and we should be a cup and saucer and we should be

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holding the handle of the teacup holding the handle of the teacup

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holding the handle of the teacup between the thumb and forefinger

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and no little finger, Jo. and no little finger, Jo.

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I think that over the longer term I think that over the longer term

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I think that over the longer term I think that over the longer term

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this will be seen to have been a And to be in with a chance of

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The Year on our website. The Year on our website.

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The Year on our website. The Year on our website.

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Nobody will do that! Nobody will do Nobody will do that! Nobody will do

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that! People might. that! People might.

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We have read them. We have read them.

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We have read them. We have read them.

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It is coming up to midday. Let's It is coming up to midday. Let's

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It is coming up to midday. Let's It is coming up to midday. Let's

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look at Big Ben. Who needs to look at Big Ben. Who needs to

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look at Big Ben. Who needs to consult the small print for that?

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consult the small print for that? consult the small print for that?

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consult the small print for that? When we see that clock, we see that

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When we see that clock, we see that When we see that clock, we see that

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Prime Minister's Questions is on Prime Minister's Questions is on

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Prime Minister's Questions is on Prime Minister's Questions is on

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its way and it means that Nick its way and it means that Nick

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its way and it means that Nick Robinson is not travelling with the

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Robinson is not travelling with the Robinson is not travelling with the

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Robinson is not travelling with the the Prime Minister and is in the

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the Prime Minister and is in the the Prime Minister and is in the

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the Prime Minister and is in the studio. I I thought I would read

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studio. I I thought I would read studio. I I thought I would read

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those terms and conditions. those terms and conditions.

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those terms and conditions. viewing figures are doing well.

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viewing figures are doing well. viewing figures are doing well.

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viewing figures are doing well. They are up. Record viewers. We are

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They are up. Record viewers. We are They are up. Record viewers. We are

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They are up. Record viewers. We are up to three, I think! The first

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up to three, I think! The first up to three, I think! The first

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PMQs after Eastleigh, how does Mr PMQs after Eastleigh, how does Mr

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PMQs after Eastleigh, how does Mr PMQs after Eastleigh, how does Mr

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Miliband play it? It is the first Miliband play it? It is the first

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Miliband play it? It is the first Miliband play it? It is the first

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after Eastleigh, but we are in the after Eastleigh, but we are in the

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after Eastleigh, but we are in the after Eastleigh, but we are in the

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run-up to the to the Budget. With run-up to the to the Budget. With

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run-up to the to the Budget. With this row going on about bankers

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this row going on about bankers bonuses, that's a possibility

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bonuses, that's a possibility bonuses, that's a possibility

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because what we have seen Ed because what we have seen Ed

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because what we have seen Ed because what we have seen Ed

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Miliband do week in and week out is Miliband do week in and week out is

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Miliband do week in and week out is Miliband do week in and week out is

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try and compare what he says is a try and compare what he says is a

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try and compare what he says is a give away to millionaires with

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give away to millionaires with give away to millionaires with

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whatever is in the news, things whatever is in the news, things

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whatever is in the news, things like what Labour call the bedroom

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like what Labour call the bedroom like what Labour call the bedroom

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tax and the Government don't call tax and the Government don't call

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tax and the Government don't call tax and the Government don't call

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it that. He will look for thor it that. He will look for thor

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it that. He will look for thor theme -- another theme about whose

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theme -- another theme about whose theme -- another theme about whose

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theme -- another theme about whose side are you really on? The the NHS

:28:50.:28:52.

side are you really on? The the NHS side are you really on? The the NHS

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has been around, but that's my has been around, but that's my

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has been around, but that's my has been around, but that's my

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instinct that he wants to invest in instinct that he wants to invest in

:28:55.:28:56.

instinct that he wants to invest in instinct that he wants to invest in

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a story about the economy ahead of a story about the economy ahead of

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a story about the economy ahead of a story about the economy ahead of

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the Budget and ahead also of the the Budget and ahead also of the

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the Budget and ahead also of the the Budget and ahead also of the

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day in which the cut in the top day in which the cut in the top

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day in which the cut in the top day in which the cut in the top

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rate of tax comes on 1st April. rate of tax comes on 1st April.

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rate of tax comes on 1st April. rate of tax comes on 1st April.

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rate of tax comes on 1st April. It goes down from 50 to 45 We have

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It goes down from 50 to 45 We have It goes down from 50 to 45 We have

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been talking about it, but it been talking about it, but it

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been talking about it, but it hasn't happened! It happens then.

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hasn't happened! It happens then. hasn't happened! It happens then.

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hasn't happened! It happens then. must check what I have been paying!

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LAUGHTER LAUGHTER

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Yes, Andrew. Yes. LAUGHTER

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LAUGHTER LAUGHTER

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LAUGHTER It is the same in the Cayman

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Islands! Islands!

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It stayed the same. It stayed the same.

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It stayed the same. It stayed the same.

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I think that's where I last saw you. I think that's where I last saw you.

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I think that's where I last saw you. We have been surprised that the

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We have been surprised that the internal Tory reaction after

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internal Tory reaction after internal Tory reaction after

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Eastleigh wasn't that volcanic, it Eastleigh wasn't that volcanic, it

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Eastleigh wasn't that volcanic, it Eastleigh wasn't that volcanic, it

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was muted, but I was told over the was muted, but I was told over the

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was muted, but I was told over the weekend that's because they are

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weekend that's because they are weekend that's because they are

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waiting to see what the Chancellor waiting to see what the Chancellor

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waiting to see what the Chancellor waiting to see what the Chancellor

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may may deliver in the Budget and may may deliver in the Budget and

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may may deliver in the Budget and if the Budget Budget disappoints...

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if the Budget Budget disappoints... if the Budget Budget disappoints...

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if the Budget Budget disappoints... You can go into the House of

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You can go into the House of You can go into the House of

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Commons without some Tory MPs who Commons without some Tory MPs who

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are disaffected with Cameron are disaffected with Cameron

:30:08.:30:09.

are disaffected with Cameron are disaffected with Cameron

:30:09.:30:10.

because they had a job and lost it because they had a job and lost it

:30:10.:30:11.

because they had a job and lost it because of the coalition and never

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because of the coalition and never because of the coalition and never

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because of the coalition and never got a job because the coalition and

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got a job because the coalition and got a job because the coalition and

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got a job because the coalition and look at the polls of the economy.

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look at the polls of the economy. look at the polls of the economy.

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These people will sit round and These people will sit round and

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These people will sit round and These people will sit round and

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tell you why next week is the tell you why next week is the

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tell you why next week is the tell you why next week is the

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moment there will be a revolt. I am moment there will be a revolt. I am

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moment there will be a revolt. I am a sceptic about this. The

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a sceptic about this. The a sceptic about this. The

:30:24.:30:25.

suggestion that a moment will come suggestion that a moment will come

:30:25.:30:27.

suggestion that a moment will come at which they either remove the

:30:27.:30:29.

at which they either remove the at which they either remove the

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at which they either remove the party leader and I have said what

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party leader and I have said what party leader and I have said what

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party leader and I have said what do you think Nick Clegg will sit

:30:31.:30:32.

do you think Nick Clegg will sit do you think Nick Clegg will sit

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do you think Nick Clegg will sit there while you have an eight week

:30:33.:30:34.

there while you have an eight week there while you have an eight week

:30:34.:30:35.

there while you have an eight week debate about who should be the next

:30:35.:30:36.

debate about who should be the next debate about who should be the next

:30:36.:30:37.

Prime Minister and you think that Prime Minister and you think that

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Prime Minister and you think that Prime Minister and you think that

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Nick Clegg will sit there and allow Nick Clegg will sit there and allow

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Nick Clegg will sit there and allow you, the Conservative Party, to

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you, the Conservative Party, to you, the Conservative Party, to

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have an argument argument about who have an argument argument about who

:30:45.:30:46.

have an argument argument about who have an argument argument about who

:30:46.:30:46.

your Prime Minister is. It is a your Prime Minister is. It is a

:30:46.:30:48.

your Prime Minister is. It is a your Prime Minister is. It is a

:30:48.:30:49.

sign of the level of anger that sign of the level of anger that

:30:49.:30:50.

sign of the level of anger that normally sensible people will sit

:30:50.:30:51.

normally sensible people will sit normally sensible people will sit

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normally sensible people will sit with you at lengths and talk about

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with you at lengths and talk about with you at lengths and talk about

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with you at lengths and talk about -- length and talk to you about

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-- length and talk to you about -- length and talk to you about

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changing their Prime Minister. changing their Prime Minister.

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changing their Prime Minister. Come ron leads the Conservatives

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Come ron leads the Conservatives Come ron leads the Conservatives

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into the next election and secondly, into the next election and secondly,

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into the next election and secondly, into the next election and secondly,

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if as a result of that election, Mr if as a result of that election, Mr

:31:11.:31:12.

Miliband forms a majority Miliband forms a majority

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Miliband forms a majority Government, Mr Cameron will be gone

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Government, Mr Cameron will be gone in 60 seconds.

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in 60 seconds. in 60 seconds.

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in 60 seconds. in 60 seconds.

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I am with you on that and it is I am with you on that and it is

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I am with you on that and it is unlikely that George Osborne will

:31:19.:31:19.

unlikely that George Osborne will unlikely that George Osborne will

:31:19.:31:21.

not be chancellor by the next not be chancellor by the next

:31:21.:31:22.

not be chancellor by the next election. It is possible, of course,

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election. It is possible, of course, election. It is possible, of course,

:31:23.:31:24.

something that we can't predict something that we can't predict

:31:24.:31:25.

something that we can't predict something that we can't predict

:31:25.:31:27.

will happen, but the plan would be will happen, but the plan would be

:31:27.:31:28.

will happen, but the plan would be will happen, but the plan would be

:31:28.:31:29.

he stays and Cameron stays and the he stays and Cameron stays and the

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he stays and Cameron stays and the central economic strategy stays and

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central economic strategy stays and central economic strategy stays and

:31:31.:31:32.

is unchanged and the Prime Minister is unchanged and the Prime Minister

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is unchanged and the Prime Minister is unchanged and the Prime Minister

:31:33.:31:34.

has got a big speech on the economy has got a big speech on the economy

:31:34.:31:35.

has got a big speech on the economy has got a big speech on the economy

:31:35.:31:35.

tomorrow. It is unusual for him to tomorrow. It is unusual for him to

:31:36.:31:36.

tomorrow. It is unusual for him to tomorrow. It is unusual for him to

:31:36.:31:37.

speak about the economy at all at speak about the economy at all at

:31:37.:31:38.

speak about the economy at all at speak about the economy at all at

:31:38.:31:39.

length and ahead of the Budget and length and ahead of the Budget and

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length and ahead of the Budget and length and ahead of the Budget and

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suggests to me he wants if you like suggests to me he wants if you like

:31:45.:31:50.

suggests to me he wants if you like to insull insulate his chance and

:31:50.:31:52.

to insull insulate his chance and says we stand together.

:31:52.:31:53.

says we stand together. says we stand together.

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says we stand together. The risk for the Chancellor is that

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The risk for the Chancellor is that The risk for the Chancellor is that

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The risk for the Chancellor is that he becomes a proxy for Mr Cameron,

:31:58.:32:00.

he becomes a proxy for Mr Cameron, he becomes a proxy for Mr Cameron,

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he becomes a proxy for Mr Cameron, you say say "we better not beat up

:32:01.:32:03.

you say say "we better not beat up you say say "we better not beat up

:32:03.:32:05.

you say say "we better not beat up on the leader. So let's get rid of

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on the leader. So let's get rid of on the leader. So let's get rid of

:32:08.:32:08.

Mr Osbourne." Take gay marriage, Mr Osbourne." Take gay marriage,

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Mr Osbourne." Take gay marriage, George Osborne is blamed for coming

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George Osborne is blamed for coming up with that idea.

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up with that idea. up with that idea.

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The bedroom tax is ill thought out The bedroom tax is ill thought out

:32:38.:32:39.

The bedroom tax is ill thought out and unfair. Thousands will have no

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and unfair. Thousands will have no and unfair. Thousands will have no

:32:40.:32:40.

and unfair. Thousands will have no choice but to cut back further on

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choice but to cut back further on choice but to cut back further on

:32:42.:32:44.

food and expenses. Will the prime food and expenses. Will the prime

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food and expenses. Will the prime Minister drop this callous policy?

:32:49.:32:50.

Minister drop this callous policy? Minister drop this callous policy?

:32:50.:32:51.

Minister drop this callous policy? Let's be clear that this is not a

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Let's be clear that this is not a Let's be clear that this is not a

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Let's be clear that this is not a tax. Let me explain to the Labour

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tax. Let me explain to the Labour tax. Let me explain to the Labour

:32:59.:33:00.

tax. Let me explain to the Labour Party. A tax is when you earn some

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Party. A tax is when you earn some Party. A tax is when you earn some

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money, the government takes some of money, the government takes some of

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money, the government takes some of money, the government takes some of

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that money away from you. After they that money away from you. After they

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that money away from you. After they tax. Only Labour could call a

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tax. Only Labour could call a tax. Only Labour could call a

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benefit reform a tax increase. benefit reform a tax increase.

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benefit reform a tax increase. Pensioners are exempt. People with

:33:14.:33:15.

Pensioners are exempt. People with Pensioners are exempt. People with

:33:15.:33:15.

disabled children are exempt. People disabled children are exempt. People

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disabled children are exempt. People who need round-the-clock care are

:33:16.:33:22.

who need round-the-clock care are who need round-the-clock care are

:33:22.:33:22.

exempt. Those categories are all exempt. Those categories are all

:33:22.:33:23.

exempt. Those categories are all exempt. Those categories are all

:33:23.:33:24.

exempt, but there is a basic issue exempt, but there is a basic issue

:33:24.:33:25.

exempt, but there is a basic issue exempt, but there is a basic issue

:33:25.:33:27.

of fairness. How can it be fair that of fairness. How can it be fair that

:33:27.:33:27.

of fairness. How can it be fair that people on housing benefit in private

:33:27.:33:30.

people on housing benefit in private people on housing benefit in private

:33:30.:33:30.

rented accommodation do not get a rented accommodation do not get a

:33:30.:33:32.

rented accommodation do not get a spare room subsidy, whereas people

:33:32.:33:34.

spare room subsidy, whereas people spare room subsidy, whereas people

:33:34.:33:34.

spare room subsidy, whereas people in social housing do? We are putting

:33:34.:33:42.

in social housing do? We are putting that right. Figures published

:33:42.:33:43.

that right. Figures published that right. Figures published

:33:43.:33:44.

yesterday showed that over the last yesterday showed that over the last

:33:44.:33:46.

yesterday showed that over the last 20 years, there has been 137%

:33:46.:33:46.

20 years, there has been 137% 20 years, there has been 137%

:33:47.:33:48.

increase in the number of deaths increase in the number of deaths

:33:48.:33:49.

increase in the number of deaths linked to our timers disease. Does

:33:49.:33:50.

linked to our timers disease. Does linked to our timers disease. Does

:33:50.:33:52.

the prime minister agreed that to the prime minister agreed that to

:33:52.:33:55.

the prime minister agreed that to stop this awful condition from

:33:55.:33:56.

stop this awful condition from stop this awful condition from

:33:56.:33:57.

affecting more people, we need to affecting more people, we need to

:33:57.:34:00.

affecting more people, we need to invest more in preventing this

:34:00.:34:01.

invest more in preventing this invest more in preventing this

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disease and in research? Will he disease and in research? Will he

:34:02.:34:03.

disease and in research? Will he outlined to the house what the

:34:03.:34:03.

outlined to the house what the outlined to the house what the

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government is doing to help support government is doing to help support

:34:07.:34:08.

government is doing to help support those with dementia and those who

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those with dementia and those who those with dementia and those who

:34:10.:34:11.

those with dementia and those who care for them? This is of concern to

:34:11.:34:12.

care for them? This is of concern to care for them? This is of concern to

:34:12.:34:13.

care for them? This is of concern to everyone in this house and in this

:34:13.:34:14.

everyone in this house and in this everyone in this house and in this

:34:14.:34:15.

country. No one knows when a country. No one knows when a

:34:15.:34:16.

country. No one knows when a relative could be afflicted by this

:34:16.:34:19.

relative could be afflicted by this relative could be afflicted by this

:34:19.:34:20.

condition. The point she makes is condition. The point she makes is

:34:20.:34:21.

condition. The point she makes is condition. The point she makes is

:34:21.:34:22.

right. This is a disease, and we right. This is a disease, and we

:34:22.:34:23.

right. This is a disease, and we right. This is a disease, and we

:34:23.:34:24.

should think about it as a disease should think about it as a disease

:34:24.:34:25.

should think about it as a disease should think about it as a disease

:34:25.:34:26.

in the wake we try and treat cancer in the wake we try and treat cancer

:34:26.:34:29.

in the wake we try and treat cancer in the wake we try and treat cancer

:34:29.:34:29.

or heart disease or strokes. That is or heart disease or strokes. That is

:34:29.:34:30.

or heart disease or strokes. That is why the government is increasing the

:34:30.:34:31.

why the government is increasing the why the government is increasing the

:34:31.:34:32.

money going into medical research so money going into medical research so

:34:32.:34:34.

money going into medical research so money going into medical research so

:34:34.:34:36.

that we can try and -- prevent that we can try and -- prevent

:34:36.:34:37.

that we can try and -- prevent dementia in more cases. But there

:34:37.:34:38.

dementia in more cases. But there dementia in more cases. But there

:34:38.:34:39.

dementia in more cases. But there are many things to do in terms of

:34:39.:34:40.

are many things to do in terms of are many things to do in terms of

:34:40.:34:42.

improving care in care homes and improving care in care homes and

:34:42.:34:44.

improving care in care homes and hospitals and making sure we have

:34:44.:34:45.

hospitals and making sure we have dementia friendly communities so

:34:45.:34:46.

dementia friendly communities so dementia friendly communities so

:34:46.:34:47.

dementia friendly communities so that we learn about how to help

:34:47.:34:49.

that we learn about how to help that we learn about how to help

:34:49.:34:50.

people with dementia lead productive people with dementia lead productive

:34:50.:34:54.

people with dementia lead productive people with dementia lead productive

:34:54.:34:55.

lives. Ed Miliband. I would like to lives. Ed Miliband. I would like to

:34:55.:34:55.

lives. Ed Miliband. I would like to ask the prime Minister about an

:34:55.:34:56.

ask the prime Minister about an ask the prime Minister about an

:34:56.:34:58.

individual case that has been raised individual case that has been raised

:34:59.:34:59.

individual case that has been raised individual case that has been raised

:34:59.:35:00.

with me. John works in East London with me. John works in East London

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with me. John works in East London and is worried about what is

:35:01.:35:02.

and is worried about what is and is worried about what is

:35:02.:35:07.

happening to his living standards. happening to his living standards.

:35:07.:35:08.

happening to his living standards. happening to his living standards.

:35:08.:35:09.

His salary is �1 million, and he is His salary is �1 million, and he is

:35:09.:35:10.

His salary is �1 million, and he is worried that under proposed EU

:35:10.:35:11.

worried that under proposed EU worried that under proposed EU

:35:11.:35:13.

regulations, his bonus may be capped regulations, his bonus may be capped

:35:13.:35:16.

regulations, his bonus may be capped regulations, his bonus may be capped

:35:16.:35:17.

at just �2 million. Can the prime at just �2 million. Can the prime

:35:17.:35:18.

at just �2 million. Can the prime at just �2 million. Can the prime

:35:18.:35:26.

Minister tell us what he will do for Minister tell us what he will do for

:35:26.:35:27.

Minister tell us what he will do for Minister tell us what he will do for

:35:27.:35:28.

John? What I would say to John and John? What I would say to John and

:35:28.:35:30.

John? What I would say to John and John? What I would say to John and

:35:30.:35:30.

everyone like him is that under this everyone like him is that under this

:35:30.:35:31.

everyone like him is that under this government, bonuses are one quarter

:35:31.:35:33.

government, bonuses are one quarter government, bonuses are one quarter

:35:33.:35:34.

government, bonuses are one quarter government, bonuses are one quarter

:35:34.:35:35.

of what they were when he was in the of what they were when he was in the

:35:35.:35:36.

of what they were when he was in the of what they were when he was in the

:35:36.:35:38.

Treasury. I will take lots of leg is Treasury. I will take lots of leg is

:35:38.:35:39.

Treasury. I will take lots of leg is Treasury. I will take lots of leg is

:35:39.:35:40.

from lots of people, but I don't from lots of people, but I don't

:35:40.:35:41.

from lots of people, but I don't from lots of people, but I don't

:35:41.:35:41.

have to listen to the croupier in have to listen to the croupier in

:35:41.:35:42.

have to listen to the croupier in have to listen to the croupier in

:35:42.:35:52.
:35:52.:35:54.

the casino when it all went bust. the casino when it all went bust.

:35:54.:35:55.

the casino when it all went bust. Mister Speaker, I know the prime

:35:55.:35:56.

Mister Speaker, I know the prime Mister Speaker, I know the prime

:35:56.:35:59.

Minister doesn't want to deal with Minister doesn't want to deal with

:35:59.:35:59.

Minister doesn't want to deal with Minister doesn't want to deal with

:35:59.:36:01.

the fact, but he sent his Chancellor the fact, but he sent his Chancellor

:36:01.:36:02.

the fact, but he sent his Chancellor to Europe yesterday to argue against

:36:02.:36:05.

to Europe yesterday to argue against to Europe yesterday to argue against

:36:05.:36:08.

the bonus tax. He says, presumably the bonus tax. He says, presumably

:36:08.:36:08.

the bonus tax. He says, presumably the bonus tax. He says, presumably

:36:08.:36:09.

because he thinks it would be bad because he thinks it would be bad

:36:09.:36:11.

because he thinks it would be bad because he thinks it would be bad

:36:11.:36:12.

for the City of London. But who led for the City of London. But who led

:36:12.:36:15.

for the City of London. But who led the negotiations on the bonus cap?

:36:15.:36:16.

the negotiations on the bonus cap? the negotiations on the bonus cap?

:36:16.:36:17.

the negotiations on the bonus cap? It was a Conservative member of the

:36:17.:36:19.

It was a Conservative member of the It was a Conservative member of the

:36:19.:36:20.

European Parliament. She said, we European Parliament. She said, we

:36:20.:36:20.

European Parliament. She said, we European Parliament. She said, we

:36:20.:36:22.

have managed to produce a deal that have managed to produce a deal that

:36:22.:36:23.

have managed to produce a deal that will strike the right balance for

:36:23.:36:25.

will strike the right balance for will strike the right balance for

:36:25.:36:28.

the majority of bankers who take the majority of bankers who take

:36:28.:36:29.

the majority of bankers who take responsible decisions. Why are the

:36:29.:36:30.

responsible decisions. Why are the responsible decisions. Why are the

:36:30.:36:31.

prime minister and Chancellor the prime minister and Chancellor the

:36:31.:36:32.

prime minister and Chancellor the prime minister and Chancellor the

:36:32.:36:33.

only people who think it is a only people who think it is a

:36:34.:36:34.

only people who think it is a priority to fight for bigger for

:36:34.:36:37.

priority to fight for bigger for priority to fight for bigger for

:36:37.:36:38.

priority to fight for bigger for bankers? As ever, he is wrong. We

:36:38.:36:39.

bankers? As ever, he is wrong. We bankers? As ever, he is wrong. We

:36:39.:36:42.

bankers? As ever, he is wrong. We have some of the toughest rules on

:36:42.:36:43.

have some of the toughest rules on have some of the toughest rules on

:36:43.:36:44.

bonuses and the toughest rules on bonuses and the toughest rules on

:36:44.:36:46.

bonuses and the toughest rules on transparency of any major financial

:36:47.:36:48.

transparency of any major financial transparency of any major financial

:36:48.:36:49.

centre in the world. When the centre in the world. When the

:36:49.:36:51.

centre in the world. When the croupiers were in charge, where was

:36:51.:36:52.

croupiers were in charge, where was croupiers were in charge, where was

:36:52.:36:54.

the transparency? Where were the the transparency? Where were the

:36:54.:36:55.

the transparency? Where were the the transparency? Where were the

:36:55.:36:56.

rules? We will not listen to them, rules? We will not listen to them,

:36:56.:36:57.

rules? We will not listen to them, but there is an important issue

:36:57.:37:01.

but there is an important issue but there is an important issue

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here. There are important Jewish here. There are important Jewish

:37:02.:37:03.

national interests. We are national interests. We are

:37:03.:37:04.

national interests. We are national interests. We are

:37:04.:37:07.

responsible for 40% of the -- there responsible for 40% of the -- there

:37:07.:37:12.

are important British national are important British national

:37:12.:37:13.

are important British national are important British national

:37:13.:37:16.

interests. We want to make sure that interests. We want to make sure that

:37:16.:37:16.

interests. We want to make sure that international is go on being

:37:16.:37:17.

international is go on being international is go on being

:37:17.:37:19.

headquartered in the UK. We think headquartered in the UK. We think

:37:19.:37:20.

headquartered in the UK. We think headquartered in the UK. We think

:37:21.:37:21.

that matters. He might want to play that matters. He might want to play

:37:21.:37:22.

that matters. He might want to play politics, but we care about these

:37:22.:37:28.

politics, but we care about these politics, but we care about these

:37:28.:37:29.

politics, but we care about these things. We also want to make sure we

:37:29.:37:30.

things. We also want to make sure we things. We also want to make sure we

:37:30.:37:31.

things. We also want to make sure we can put in place the very tough ring

:37:31.:37:33.

can put in place the very tough ring can put in place the very tough ring

:37:33.:37:34.

fence around our retail banks so fence around our retail banks so

:37:34.:37:35.

fence around our retail banks so that the shambles he presided over

:37:35.:37:39.

that the shambles he presided over that the shambles he presided over

:37:39.:37:40.

that the shambles he presided over can never happen again. This is the

:37:40.:37:40.

can never happen again. This is the can never happen again. This is the

:37:41.:37:43.

man who in opposition said" there man who in opposition said" there

:37:44.:37:45.

man who in opposition said" there man who in opposition said" there

:37:45.:37:46.

will be a day of reckoning for the will be a day of reckoning for the

:37:46.:37:48.

will be a day of reckoning for the bankers" . Now he sends his

:37:48.:37:49.

bankers" . Now he sends his bankers" . Now he sends his

:37:49.:37:49.

Chancellor to fight against the Chancellor to fight against the

:37:49.:37:54.

Chancellor to fight against the bonus cuts in Brussels. Is he

:37:54.:37:55.

bonus cuts in Brussels. Is he bonus cuts in Brussels. Is he

:37:55.:37:58.

arguing for more regulation of the arguing for more regulation of the

:37:58.:38:02.

arguing for more regulation of the banks? What did he say? David

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banks? What did he say? David Cameron, Conservative economic

:38:04.:38:09.

Cameron, Conservative economic Cameron, Conservative economic

:38:09.:38:10.

strategy, March 2008. As a free strategy, March 2008. As a free

:38:10.:38:12.

strategy, March 2008. As a free marketeer by conviction, it will not

:38:12.:38:13.

marketeer by conviction, it will not marketeer by conviction, it will not

:38:13.:38:14.

marketeer by conviction, it will not surprise you to hear me say the

:38:14.:38:16.

surprise you to hear me say the surprise you to hear me say the

:38:16.:38:17.

surprise you to hear me say the problem of the last arcade has been

:38:17.:38:21.

problem of the last arcade has been problem of the last arcade has been

:38:21.:38:27.

too much regulation. There we have too much regulation. There we have

:38:27.:38:29.

too much regulation. There we have too much regulation. There we have

:38:29.:38:30.

too much regulation. There we have it. But let me say, I think John the

:38:30.:38:32.

it. But let me say, I think John the it. But let me say, I think John the

:38:32.:38:33.

banker will take heart that the banker will take heart that the

:38:33.:38:33.

banker will take heart that the prime Minister is straining every

:38:33.:38:37.

prime Minister is straining every prime Minister is straining every

:38:37.:38:38.

prime Minister is straining every muscle to help him. Let me ask him

:38:38.:38:39.

muscle to help him. Let me ask him muscle to help him. Let me ask him

:38:39.:38:40.

muscle to help him. Let me ask him about the cases of the thousands of

:38:40.:38:42.

about the cases of the thousands of about the cases of the thousands of

:38:42.:38:43.

disabled people who will lose an disabled people who will lose an

:38:43.:38:43.

disabled people who will lose an disabled people who will lose an

:38:43.:38:44.

average of �700 a year because of average of �700 a year because of

:38:44.:38:45.

average of �700 a year because of average of �700 a year because of

:38:45.:38:48.

his bedroom tax. Is he going to his bedroom tax. Is he going to

:38:48.:38:49.

his bedroom tax. Is he going to his bedroom tax. Is he going to

:38:49.:38:49.

fight for them like he is fighting fight for them like he is fighting

:38:49.:38:52.

fight for them like he is fighting for John the banker? Firstly, let's

:38:52.:38:54.

for John the banker? Firstly, let's for John the banker? Firstly, let's

:38:54.:38:55.

remember what happened in 2008 when remember what happened in 2008 when

:38:55.:38:58.

remember what happened in 2008 when he was in government. The biggest

:38:58.:38:59.

he was in government. The biggest he was in government. The biggest

:39:00.:39:01.

banking bust in history. The buildup banking bust in history. The buildup

:39:01.:39:03.

banking bust in history. The buildup banking bust in history. The buildup

:39:03.:39:04.

of the biggest but is it in our of the biggest but is it in our

:39:04.:39:04.

of the biggest but is it in our of the biggest but is it in our

:39:04.:39:05.

history, all the mess we are having history, all the mess we are having

:39:05.:39:07.

history, all the mess we are having history, all the mess we are having

:39:07.:39:08.

to deal with was delivered by him to deal with was delivered by him

:39:08.:39:13.

to deal with was delivered by him to deal with was delivered by him

:39:13.:39:14.

and his henchmen in 2008. Before we and his henchmen in 2008. Before we

:39:14.:39:15.

and his henchmen in 2008. Before we and his henchmen in 2008. Before we

:39:15.:39:17.

go on to the spare room subsidy, let go on to the spare room subsidy, let

:39:17.:39:17.

go on to the spare room subsidy, let go on to the spare room subsidy, let

:39:17.:39:18.

him get to his feet and apologise him get to his feet and apologise

:39:18.:39:20.

him get to his feet and apologise him get to his feet and apologise

:39:20.:39:27.

for the mess he left this country for the mess he left this country

:39:27.:39:35.

in. Apologise! Mister Speaker... in. Apologise! Mister Speaker...

:39:35.:39:36.

in. Apologise! Mister Speaker... in. Apologise! Mister Speaker...

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Order. I know there are people who Order. I know there are people who

:39:37.:39:38.

Order. I know there are people who Order. I know there are people who

:39:38.:39:39.

don't like it if the session runs don't like it if the session runs

:39:39.:39:40.

don't like it if the session runs on. Personally, it doesn't matter to

:39:40.:39:41.

on. Personally, it doesn't matter to on. Personally, it doesn't matter to

:39:41.:39:42.

on. Personally, it doesn't matter to me, but the more noise, the longer

:39:42.:39:43.

me, but the more noise, the longer me, but the more noise, the longer

:39:43.:39:44.

me, but the more noise, the longer it takes and the longer we will be

:39:44.:39:48.

it takes and the longer we will be it takes and the longer we will be

:39:48.:39:49.

here. Ed Miliband. I noticed the here. Ed Miliband. I noticed the

:39:49.:39:50.

here. Ed Miliband. I noticed the prime Minister has a new tactic

:39:50.:39:52.

prime Minister has a new tactic prime Minister has a new tactic

:39:52.:39:53.

prime Minister has a new tactic which is to ask me questions at our

:39:53.:39:54.

which is to ask me questions at our which is to ask me questions at our

:39:55.:39:55.

which is to ask me questions at our exchanges. It is good to see him

:39:55.:40:01.

exchanges. It is good to see him exchanges. It is good to see him

:40:01.:40:02.

preparing for opposition. The Home preparing for opposition. The Home

:40:02.:40:04.

preparing for opposition. The Home Secretary shakes her head. I look

:40:04.:40:04.

Secretary shakes her head. I look Secretary shakes her head. I look

:40:04.:40:05.

Secretary shakes her head. I look forward to facing her when they are

:40:05.:40:09.

forward to facing her when they are forward to facing her when they are

:40:09.:40:09.

forward to facing her when they are in opposition. He did not answer the

:40:09.:40:10.

in opposition. He did not answer the in opposition. He did not answer the

:40:10.:40:12.

question about the bedroom tax. He question about the bedroom tax. He

:40:12.:40:13.

question about the bedroom tax. He talked earlier about the hardship

:40:13.:40:14.

talked earlier about the hardship talked earlier about the hardship

:40:14.:40:18.

talked earlier about the hardship fund. Let's look at the fact. There

:40:18.:40:18.

fund. Let's look at the fact. There fund. Let's look at the fact. There

:40:18.:40:20.

are �25 million allocated to help are �25 million allocated to help

:40:20.:40:21.

are �25 million allocated to help disabled people hit by the bedroom

:40:22.:40:22.

disabled people hit by the bedroom disabled people hit by the bedroom

:40:22.:40:27.

tax in the hardship fund. �25 tax in the hardship fund. �25

:40:27.:40:28.

tax in the hardship fund. �25 million for disabled people, but how

:40:28.:40:30.

million for disabled people, but how million for disabled people, but how

:40:30.:40:30.

million for disabled people, but how much do his own figures showing he

:40:30.:40:31.

much do his own figures showing he much do his own figures showing he

:40:31.:40:36.

is taking from disabled people? �306 is taking from disabled people? �306

:40:36.:40:37.

is taking from disabled people? �306 is taking from disabled people? �306

:40:37.:40:38.

million. So will he admit that the million. So will he admit that the

:40:38.:40:39.

million. So will he admit that the majority of disabled people who are

:40:39.:40:40.

majority of disabled people who are majority of disabled people who are

:40:40.:40:41.

majority of disabled people who are hit by his bedroom tax will get no

:40:41.:40:41.

hit by his bedroom tax will get no hit by his bedroom tax will get no

:40:42.:40:46.

help on his hardship fund? Firstly, help on his hardship fund? Firstly,

:40:46.:40:47.

help on his hardship fund? Firstly, help on his hardship fund? Firstly,

:40:47.:40:47.

the country will note that there was the country will note that there was

:40:47.:40:48.

the country will note that there was the country will note that there was

:40:48.:40:51.

no apology for the mess left by the no apology for the mess left by the

:40:51.:40:53.

no apology for the mess left by the party opposite. On the spare room

:40:53.:40:54.

party opposite. On the spare room party opposite. On the spare room

:40:54.:40:58.

subsidy, his figures are wrong. subsidy, his figures are wrong.

:40:58.:40:59.

subsidy, his figures are wrong. subsidy, his figures are wrong.

:40:59.:41:00.

Before he sat down, he said we are Before he sat down, he said we are

:41:00.:41:01.

Before he sat down, he said we are cutting the money going to disabled

:41:01.:41:03.

cutting the money going to disabled cutting the money going to disabled

:41:03.:41:04.

cutting the money going to disabled people. That is not the case. In

:41:04.:41:07.

people. That is not the case. In people. That is not the case. In

:41:07.:41:08.

2009-10, the amount spent on 2009-10, the amount spent on

:41:08.:41:09.

2009-10, the amount spent on deserted you living allowance was 12

:41:09.:41:13.

deserted you living allowance was 12 deserted you living allowance was 12

:41:13.:41:14.

deserted you living allowance was 12 when four alien pounds. By 2013, it

:41:14.:41:16.

when four alien pounds. By 2013, it when four alien pounds. By 2013, it

:41:16.:41:17.

when four alien pounds. By 2013, it will be �13.3 billion. There is no

:41:17.:41:18.

will be �13.3 billion. There is no will be �13.3 billion. There is no

:41:18.:41:18.

will be �13.3 billion. There is no cut in the money going to disabled

:41:18.:41:20.

cut in the money going to disabled people. This government is

:41:20.:41:21.

people. This government is people. This government is

:41:21.:41:22.

protecting that money in spite of protecting that money in spite of

:41:22.:41:23.

protecting that money in spite of protecting that money in spite of

:41:23.:41:26.

the mess he made. On the spare room the mess he made. On the spare room

:41:26.:41:26.

the mess he made. On the spare room subsidy, pensioners and people with

:41:26.:41:28.

subsidy, pensioners and people with subsidy, pensioners and people with

:41:28.:41:29.

disabled people are exempt all disabled people are exempt all

:41:29.:41:29.

disabled people are exempt all stopped anyone who needs help around

:41:30.:41:32.

stopped anyone who needs help around stopped anyone who needs help around

:41:32.:41:33.

stopped anyone who needs help around the clock is also exempt. As he is

:41:33.:41:34.

the clock is also exempt. As he is the clock is also exempt. As he is

:41:34.:41:35.

the clock is also exempt. As he is fond of reading out letters from his

:41:35.:41:37.

fond of reading out letters from his fond of reading out letters from his

:41:37.:41:37.

fond of reading out letters from his constituents, let me read out one I

:41:37.:41:39.

constituents, let me read out one I constituents, let me read out one I

:41:40.:41:40.

constituents, let me read out one I got on this issue from a pensioner.

:41:40.:41:42.

got on this issue from a pensioner. got on this issue from a pensioner.

:41:42.:41:43.

got on this issue from a pensioner. "We are expected to find up to an

:41:43.:41:44.

"We are expected to find up to an "We are expected to find up to an

:41:44.:41:45.

"We are expected to find up to an extra �60 a month out of our

:41:45.:41:46.

extra �60 a month out of our extra �60 a month out of our

:41:46.:41:48.

pensions for having extra bedrooms" pensions for having extra bedrooms"

:41:48.:41:49.

pensions for having extra bedrooms" pensions for having extra bedrooms"

:41:49.:41:50.

. But they are exempt because they . But they are exempt because they

:41:50.:41:52.

. But they are exempt because they are pensioners, but they have been

:41:52.:41:53.

are pensioners, but they have been terrified by his irresponsible

:41:53.:42:02.

terrified by his irresponsible terrified by his irresponsible

:42:02.:42:03.

comments. There was nothing in the comments. There was nothing in the

:42:03.:42:06.

comments. There was nothing in the comments. There was nothing in the

:42:06.:42:07.

briefing on the question I asked. He briefing on the question I asked. He

:42:07.:42:08.

briefing on the question I asked. He obviously does not understand. His

:42:08.:42:10.

obviously does not understand. His obviously does not understand. His

:42:10.:42:12.

own impact assessment, which he own impact assessment, which he

:42:12.:42:14.

own impact assessment, which he own impact assessment, which he

:42:14.:42:15.

might read, by the way, says there might read, by the way, says there

:42:15.:42:16.

might read, by the way, says there are 420,000 disabled people hit by

:42:16.:42:18.

are 420,000 disabled people hit by are 420,000 disabled people hit by

:42:18.:42:19.

are 420,000 disabled people hit by the bedroom tax, an average of �700

:42:19.:42:21.

the bedroom tax, an average of �700 the bedroom tax, an average of �700

:42:21.:42:24.

the bedroom tax, an average of �700 a year. That is �306 million. The

:42:24.:42:25.

a year. That is �306 million. The a year. That is �306 million. The

:42:25.:42:27.

money in the hardship fund allocated money in the hardship fund allocated

:42:27.:42:28.

money in the hardship fund allocated to disabled people is just �25

:42:28.:42:30.

to disabled people is just �25 to disabled people is just �25

:42:30.:42:32.

million. This is basic arithmetic. million. This is basic arithmetic.

:42:32.:42:34.

million. This is basic arithmetic. million. This is basic arithmetic.

:42:34.:42:35.

Will he admit that the majority of Will he admit that the majority of

:42:35.:42:36.

Will he admit that the majority of disabled people will get no help

:42:36.:42:36.

disabled people will get no help disabled people will get no help

:42:36.:42:37.

disabled people will get no help from the hardship fund and will be

:42:37.:42:38.

from the hardship fund and will be from the hardship fund and will be

:42:38.:42:41.

from the hardship fund and will be hit by his bedroom tax? He is

:42:41.:42:42.

hit by his bedroom tax? He is hit by his bedroom tax? He is

:42:42.:42:45.

wrong. Anyone with severely disabled wrong. Anyone with severely disabled

:42:45.:42:46.

wrong. Anyone with severely disabled children is exempt from the spare

:42:46.:42:48.

children is exempt from the spare children is exempt from the spare

:42:48.:42:49.

room subsidy. Order! Members must room subsidy. Order! Members must

:42:49.:42:50.

room subsidy. Order! Members must room subsidy. Order! Members must

:42:50.:42:50.

not shout at the tops of their not shout at the tops of their

:42:50.:42:53.

not shout at the tops of their voices at the prime Minister. The

:42:53.:42:54.

voices at the prime Minister. The voices at the prime Minister. The

:42:54.:42:55.

question was asked and heard, and question was asked and heard, and

:42:55.:42:58.

question was asked and heard, and question was asked and heard, and

:42:58.:42:58.

the answer must be heard. He ignores the answer must be heard. He ignores

:42:58.:43:00.

the answer must be heard. He ignores the fact that anyone with severely

:43:00.:43:02.

the fact that anyone with severely the fact that anyone with severely

:43:02.:43:02.

disabled children is exempt from the disabled children is exempt from the

:43:02.:43:03.

disabled children is exempt from the spare room subsidy. Anyone who needs

:43:03.:43:05.

spare room subsidy. Anyone who needs spare room subsidy. Anyone who needs

:43:05.:43:11.

spare room subsidy. Anyone who needs care around the clock is exempt. We

:43:11.:43:12.

care around the clock is exempt. We care around the clock is exempt. We

:43:12.:43:13.

are spending �23 billion on housing are spending �23 billion on housing

:43:13.:43:14.

are spending �23 billion on housing are spending �23 billion on housing

:43:14.:43:17.

benefit. That is up by 50% over the benefit. That is up by 50% over the

:43:17.:43:19.

benefit. That is up by 50% over the last decade. That is �1000 every

:43:19.:43:20.

last decade. That is �1000 every last decade. That is �1000 every

:43:20.:43:23.

year for every basic rate taxpayer. year for every basic rate taxpayer.

:43:23.:43:24.

year for every basic rate taxpayer. year for every basic rate taxpayer.

:43:24.:43:25.

We say it is time to reform housing We say it is time to reform housing

:43:25.:43:26.

We say it is time to reform housing We say it is time to reform housing

:43:26.:43:27.

benefit, and it is only fair to benefit, and it is only fair to

:43:27.:43:28.

benefit, and it is only fair to treat people in social housing the

:43:28.:43:29.

treat people in social housing the treat people in social housing the

:43:29.:43:31.

same way as in private rent same way as in private rent

:43:31.:43:32.

same way as in private rent same way as in private rent

:43:32.:43:33.

housing. He has no proposals to do housing. He has no proposals to do

:43:33.:43:36.

housing. He has no proposals to do housing. He has no proposals to do

:43:36.:43:37.

anything about welfare but to put up anything about welfare but to put up

:43:37.:43:38.

anything about welfare but to put up borrowing. We have established today

:43:38.:43:39.

borrowing. We have established today borrowing. We have established today

:43:39.:43:40.

that the Prime Minister does not that the Prime Minister does not

:43:40.:43:44.

that the Prime Minister does not understand his own policies. It is

:43:44.:43:46.

understand his own policies. It is understand his own policies. It is

:43:46.:43:47.

understand his own policies. It is shameful to be doing this and not

:43:47.:43:48.

shameful to be doing this and not shameful to be doing this and not

:43:48.:43:50.

even to understand the impact of even to understand the impact of

:43:50.:43:51.

even to understand the impact of even to understand the impact of

:43:51.:43:53.

it. He pulls out all the stops to it. He pulls out all the stops to

:43:53.:43:54.

it. He pulls out all the stops to defend the bankers, but he has

:43:54.:43:57.

defend the bankers, but he has defend the bankers, but he has

:43:57.:43:57.

defend the bankers, but he has nothing to say to give -- disabled

:43:57.:43:58.

nothing to say to give -- disabled nothing to say to give -- disabled

:43:59.:43:59.

nothing to say to give -- disabled people being hit by his drink tax.

:43:59.:44:01.

people being hit by his drink tax. people being hit by his drink tax.

:44:01.:44:02.

people being hit by his drink tax. He stands up the wrong people. No

:44:02.:44:03.

He stands up the wrong people. No He stands up the wrong people. No

:44:03.:44:04.

wonder his backbenchers and the wonder his backbenchers and the

:44:04.:44:10.

wonder his backbenchers and the wonder his backbenchers and the

:44:10.:44:11.

country think is out of touch. country think is out of touch.

:44:11.:44:12.

country think is out of touch. is what we hear every Wednesday.

:44:12.:44:15.

is what we hear every Wednesday. is what we hear every Wednesday.

:44:15.:44:16.

They will not support a single They will not support a single

:44:16.:44:19.

They will not support a single change to welfare. They will not

:44:19.:44:21.

change to welfare. They will not change to welfare. They will not

:44:21.:44:22.

support reforms to housing benefit. support reforms to housing benefit.

:44:22.:44:22.

support reforms to housing benefit. support reforms to housing benefit.

:44:23.:44:23.

They did not even support it when we They did not even support it when we

:44:24.:44:26.

They did not even support it when we took housing benefit away from

:44:26.:44:27.

took housing benefit away from took housing benefit away from

:44:27.:44:28.

people charging �1000 a year. They people charging �1000 a year. They

:44:28.:44:29.

people charging �1000 a year. They would not support changes to child

:44:30.:44:30.

would not support changes to child would not support changes to child

:44:30.:44:34.

would not support changes to child in a fit. They will not support

:44:34.:44:35.

in a fit. They will not support in a fit. They will not support

:44:35.:44:39.

changes to council tax benefit. They changes to council tax benefit. They

:44:39.:44:40.

changes to council tax benefit. They have opposed �83 billion of welfare

:44:40.:44:42.

have opposed �83 billion of welfare have opposed �83 billion of welfare

:44:42.:44:43.

savings. They have to admit that savings. They have to admit that

:44:43.:44:45.

savings. They have to admit that savings. They have to admit that

:44:45.:44:46.

their policy is to put up borrowing. their policy is to put up borrowing.

:44:46.:44:47.

their policy is to put up borrowing. They have nothing to offer, only

:44:47.:44:50.

They have nothing to offer, only They have nothing to offer, only

:44:50.:45:00.
:45:00.:45:01.

debt and more debt. Mark Pritchard. debt and more debt. Mark Pritchard.

:45:01.:45:11.
:45:11.:45:25.

debt and more debt. Mark Pritchard. celebrate International Women's Day.

:45:26.:45:27.

celebrate International Women's Day. celebrate International Women's Day.

:45:27.:45:28.

I think my honourable friend is I think my honourable friend is

:45:28.:45:29.

I think my honourable friend is I think my honourable friend is

:45:29.:45:29.

right to raise this and there are right to raise this and there are

:45:29.:45:31.

right to raise this and there are right to raise this and there are

:45:31.:45:38.

issues we should focus on and that issues we should focus on and that

:45:39.:45:40.

issues we should focus on and that is female again genital mutilation

:45:40.:45:41.

is female again genital mutilation is female again genital mutilation

:45:41.:45:42.

and we will be making an and we will be making an

:45:42.:45:42.

and we will be making an announcement about that, but we

:45:42.:45:44.

announcement about that, but we announcement about that, but we

:45:44.:45:46.

announcement about that, but we should do more to crackdown on the

:45:46.:45:47.

should do more to crackdown on the unacceptable practise of forced

:45:47.:45:50.

unacceptable practise of forced unacceptable practise of forced

:45:50.:45:51.

marriages. There are still forced marriages. There are still forced

:45:51.:45:51.

marriages. There are still forced marriages taking place with people

:45:52.:45:52.

marriages taking place with people marriages taking place with people

:45:52.:45:53.

involved from the United Kingdom involved from the United Kingdom

:45:53.:45:54.

involved from the United Kingdom involved from the United Kingdom

:45:54.:45:55.

involved from the United Kingdom and we need to do more to put a

:45:55.:46:00.

and we need to do more to put a stop to it.

:46:00.:46:02.

stop to it. stop to it.

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 44 seconds

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stop to it. They put put that worry before the

:46:57.:46:58.

They put put that worry before the They put put that worry before the

:46:58.:46:58.

They put put that worry before the needs of people up and down the

:46:58.:47:01.

needs of people up and down the needs of people up and down the

:47:01.:47:02.

country? Does the Prime Minister country? Does the Prime Minister

:47:02.:47:03.

country? Does the Prime Minister country? Does the Prime Minister

:47:03.:47:04.

agree that we cannot borrow less by agree that we cannot borrow less by

:47:04.:47:06.

agree that we cannot borrow less by borrowing more. We cannot deal with

:47:06.:47:08.

borrowing more. We cannot deal with borrowing more. We cannot deal with

:47:08.:47:09.

borrowing more. We cannot deal with the deficit left by the last Labour

:47:09.:47:10.

the deficit left by the last Labour the deficit left by the last Labour

:47:10.:47:13.

Government by increasing our debts Government by increasing our debts

:47:13.:47:17.

Government by increasing our debts and as the Shadow Chancellor's plan

:47:17.:47:19.

and as the Shadow Chancellor's plan for doing so.

:47:19.:47:20.

for doing so. for doing so.

:47:20.:47:22.

The policy of the official The policy of the official

:47:22.:47:24.

The policy of the official opposition is to borrow less by

:47:25.:47:25.

opposition is to borrow less by opposition is to borrow less by

:47:26.:47:27.

borrowing more. It is incredible borrowing more. It is incredible

:47:27.:47:28.

borrowing more. It is incredible borrowing more. It is incredible

:47:28.:47:29.

and that is why the Leader of the and that is why the Leader of the

:47:29.:47:30.

and that is why the Leader of the Opposition comes here week after

:47:30.:47:31.

Opposition comes here week after Opposition comes here week after

:47:31.:47:31.

Opposition comes here week after week, he asks about all sorts of

:47:31.:47:33.

week, he asks about all sorts of week, he asks about all sorts of

:47:33.:47:34.

questions, but he will never questions, but he will never

:47:34.:47:36.

questions, but he will never mention his borrowing policy. It is

:47:36.:47:37.

mention his borrowing policy. It is mention his borrowing policy. It is

:47:38.:47:38.

an extraordinary point, but the an extraordinary point, but the

:47:38.:47:39.

an extraordinary point, but the Leader of the Opposition has a

:47:39.:47:40.

Leader of the Opposition has a Leader of the Opposition has a

:47:40.:47:41.

policy, he is so embarrassed about, policy, he is so embarrassed about,

:47:41.:47:42.

policy, he is so embarrassed about, policy, he is so embarrassed about,

:47:42.:47:50.

he cannot tell the House of Commons. he cannot tell the House of Commons.

:47:50.:47:52.

David Nicholson showed ignorance David Nicholson showed ignorance

:47:52.:47:54.

David Nicholson showed ignorance while more than 1,000 people died

:47:54.:47:56.

while more than 1,000 people died while more than 1,000 people died

:47:56.:47:57.

while more than 1,000 people died needlessly in the NHS. How can the

:47:57.:47:58.

needlessly in the NHS. How can the needlessly in the NHS. How can the

:47:58.:47:59.

public have any confidence in the public have any confidence in the

:47:59.:48:00.

public have any confidence in the administration of the NHS while

:48:01.:48:03.

administration of the NHS while administration of the NHS while

:48:03.:48:05.

this man remains? Will the Prime this man remains? Will the Prime

:48:05.:48:07.

this man remains? Will the Prime Minister not sack him immediately?

:48:07.:48:08.

Minister not sack him immediately? Minister not sack him immediately?

:48:08.:48:11.

What I will say about David What I will say about David

:48:11.:48:12.

What I will say about David Nicholson he has apologised and

:48:12.:48:14.

Nicholson he has apologised and Nicholson he has apologised and

:48:14.:48:14.

acknowledged the mistakes that were acknowledged the mistakes that were

:48:14.:48:15.

acknowledged the mistakes that were acknowledged the mistakes that were

:48:15.:48:16.

made and I think it is an important made and I think it is an important

:48:16.:48:17.

made and I think it is an important point because I think everyone has

:48:17.:48:20.

point because I think everyone has point because I think everyone has

:48:20.:48:20.

to think of their responsibilities to think of their responsibilities

:48:20.:48:21.

to think of their responsibilities with regards to the dreadful events

:48:21.:48:23.

with regards to the dreadful events with regards to the dreadful events

:48:23.:48:24.

that happened at the Staffordshire that happened at the Staffordshire

:48:24.:48:25.

that happened at the Staffordshire Hospital including the fact that

:48:25.:48:26.

Hospital including the fact that Hospital including the fact that

:48:26.:48:29.

part of the problem was people part of the problem was people

:48:29.:48:31.

part of the problem was people following a very top down target

:48:31.:48:32.

following a very top down target following a very top down target

:48:32.:48:33.

target-led agenda that led to target-led agenda that led to

:48:33.:48:34.

target-led agenda that led to target-led agenda that led to

:48:34.:48:37.

patient care being put on the back patient care being put on the back

:48:37.:48:38.

patient care being put on the back burner. David Nicholson made his

:48:38.:48:40.

burner. David Nicholson made his burner. David Nicholson made his

:48:40.:48:41.

burner. David Nicholson made his apology and wants to get on with

:48:41.:48:43.

apology and wants to get on with running an excellent National

:48:43.:48:45.

running an excellent National running an excellent National

:48:45.:48:45.

Health Service and other people Health Service and other people

:48:45.:48:46.

Health Service and other people should be thinking about their

:48:46.:48:48.

pOtionz too. pOtionz too.

:48:48.:48:51.

pOtionz too. -- positions too. Even governing

:48:51.:48:53.

-- positions too. Even governing -- positions too. Even governing

:48:53.:48:55.

parties can win marginal by- parties can win marginal by-

:48:55.:48:57.

elections if they stick by their elections if they stick by their

:48:57.:48:57.

elections if they stick by their leader thick and thin and campaign

:48:58.:48:58.

leader thick and thin and campaign leader thick and thin and campaign

:48:58.:49:00.

leader thick and thin and campaign hard for a stronger economy and a

:49:00.:49:04.

fairer society. fairer society.

:49:04.:49:05.

fairer society. I will certainly welcome the new

:49:05.:49:06.

I will certainly welcome the new I will certainly welcome the new

:49:06.:49:07.

member of Parliament for Eastleigh member of Parliament for Eastleigh

:49:07.:49:17.
:49:17.:49:20.

member of Parliament for Eastleigh for the period of this Parliament.

:49:20.:49:20.

LAUGHTER LAUGHTER

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LAUGHTER LAUGHTER

:49:21.:49:23.

I am sure that he will enjoy making I am sure that he will enjoy making

:49:23.:49:24.

I am sure that he will enjoy making I am sure that he will enjoy making

:49:24.:49:24.

a contribution to our debates and I a contribution to our debates and I

:49:24.:49:24.

a contribution to our debates and I note carefully the rest of my

:49:24.:49:25.

note carefully the rest of my honourable friend's question.

:49:25.:49:26.

honourable friend's question. honourable friend's question.

:49:26.:49:26.

This time last week, the Prime This time last week, the Prime

:49:26.:49:27.

This time last week, the Prime This time last week, the Prime

:49:27.:49:28.

Minister told me that he would not Minister told me that he would not

:49:28.:49:29.

Minister told me that he would not be forcing GP commissioners to put

:49:29.:49:30.

be forcing GP commissioners to put be forcing GP commissioners to put

:49:30.:49:31.

Health Services out to tender. By Health Services out to tender. By

:49:31.:49:34.

Health Services out to tender. By the end of last week, doctorss,

:49:34.:49:37.

the end of last week, doctorss, the end of last week, doctorss,

:49:37.:49:38.

nurses and the association for nurses and the association for

:49:38.:49:38.

nurses and the association for medical colleges as well as 2,000

:49:38.:49:39.

medical colleges as well as 2,000 medical colleges as well as 2,000

:49:39.:49:40.

members of the public said they members of the public said they

:49:40.:49:44.

members of the public said they didn't believe him. Was yesterday's

:49:44.:49:45.

didn't believe him. Was yesterday's withdrawal of the competition

:49:45.:49:48.

withdrawal of the competition regulations down to his

:49:48.:49:49.

regulations down to his Government's incompetence for the

:49:49.:49:51.

Government's incompetence for the Government's incompetence for the

:49:51.:49:52.

fact that the public and fact that the public and

:49:52.:49:54.

professionals don't believe him? professionals don't believe him?

:49:54.:49:55.

professionals don't believe him? professionals don't believe him?

:49:55.:49:56.

There is an attempt to create a There is an attempt to create a

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There is an attempt to create a There is an attempt to create a

:49:59.:50:00.

false argument here. The aim is to false argument here. The aim is to

:50:00.:50:01.

false argument here. The aim is to ensure that the rules for

:50:01.:50:03.

ensure that the rules for ensure that the rules for

:50:03.:50:05.

procurement and diversity in the procurement and diversity in the

:50:05.:50:06.

procurement and diversity in the NHS fully respect the position put

:50:06.:50:08.

NHS fully respect the position put NHS fully respect the position put

:50:08.:50:08.

NHS fully respect the position put in place by the last Government has

:50:08.:50:10.

in place by the last Government has in place by the last Government has

:50:10.:50:11.

been repeated in this government. been repeated in this government.

:50:11.:50:13.

been repeated in this government. been repeated in this government.

:50:13.:50:15.

So we are putting beyond that any So we are putting beyond that any

:50:15.:50:18.

So we are putting beyond that any So we are putting beyond that any

:50:18.:50:19.

any doubt. What I will say, what any doubt. What I will say, what

:50:19.:50:22.

any doubt. What I will say, what any doubt. What I will say, what

:50:22.:50:23.

are we to be frightened off to make are we to be frightened off to make

:50:23.:50:24.

are we to be frightened off to make sure you get a full contribution

:50:24.:50:26.

sure you get a full contribution sure you get a full contribution

:50:26.:50:28.

from private sector companies, from from private sector companies, from

:50:28.:50:29.

from private sector companies, from voluntary and charitable bodies too.

:50:29.:50:30.

voluntary and charitable bodies too. voluntary and charitable bodies too.

:50:30.:50:31.

That is the manifesto that she That is the manifesto that she

:50:31.:50:33.

That is the manifesto that she That is the manifesto that she

:50:33.:50:34.

stood on at the last election just stood on at the last election just

:50:34.:50:36.

stood on at the last election just stood on at the last election just

:50:36.:50:39.

in case she has forgotten. I will in case she has forgotten. I will

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in case she has forgotten. I will remind her, "We will support... "I

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remind her, "We will support... "I remind her, "We will support... "I

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thought they would like to hear thought they would like to hear

:50:45.:50:46.

thought they would like to hear their manifesto! "we will support

:50:46.:50:47.

their manifesto! "we will support their manifesto! "we will support

:50:47.:50:48.

an active role for the independent an active role for the independent

:50:48.:50:50.

an active role for the independent sector working alongside the NHS in

:50:50.:50:51.

sector working alongside the NHS in sector working alongside the NHS in

:50:51.:50:53.

the provision of care particularly the provision of care particularly

:50:53.:50:54.

the provision of care particularly where they bring innovation. Such

:50:54.:50:54.

where they bring innovation. Such where they bring innovation. Such

:50:55.:50:56.

where they bring innovation. Such as end of life care and cancer

:50:56.:50:59.

as end of life care and cancer as end of life care and cancer

:50:59.:51:01.

services. What happens is when the services. What happens is when the

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services. What happens is when the Labour Party goes into opposition

:51:04.:51:07.

Labour Party goes into opposition Labour Party goes into opposition

:51:07.:51:09.

they become a subsidiary of the they become a subsidiary of the

:51:09.:51:12.

they become a subsidiary of the trade union movement. A report

:51:12.:51:14.

trade union movement. A report trade union movement. A report

:51:14.:51:16.

recommends the closure of acute and recommends the closure of acute and

:51:16.:51:18.

most emergency and maternity most emergency and maternity

:51:18.:51:26.

most emergency and maternity services at Staffordshire. Would my

:51:26.:51:28.

services at Staffordshire. Would my services at Staffordshire. Would my

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height -- my right honourable height -- my right honourable

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height -- my right honourable height -- my right honourable

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friend meet with me? Well, I have friend meet with me? Well, I have

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friend meet with me? Well, I have discussed this issue many times.

:51:35.:51:37.

discussed this issue many times. discussed this issue many times.

:51:37.:51:38.

The Trust does continue to face The Trust does continue to face

:51:38.:51:39.

financial challenges and that's financial challenges and that's

:51:39.:51:41.

financial challenges and that's financial challenges and that's

:51:41.:51:42.

putting at risk its work to improve putting at risk its work to improve

:51:42.:51:42.

putting at risk its work to improve services for patients and as

:51:42.:51:43.

services for patients and as required by the legislation,

:51:43.:51:46.

required by the legislation, required by the legislation,

:51:46.:51:47.

monitor will be consulting with the monitor will be consulting with the

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monitor will be consulting with the Health Secretary before making the

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Health Secretary before making the Health Secretary before making the

:51:49.:51:50.

final decision to go ahead with final decision to go ahead with

:51:50.:51:51.

final decision to go ahead with final decision to go ahead with

:51:51.:51:52.

this matter that he raises. If he this matter that he raises. If he

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this matter that he raises. If he this matter that he raises. If he

:51:55.:51:56.

wants to discuss it with me or the wants to discuss it with me or the

:51:56.:51:57.

wants to discuss it with me or the wants to discuss it with me or the

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Secretary of State for Health, I am Secretary of State for Health, I am

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Secretary of State for Health, I am happy to have that that

:52:00.:52:02.

happy to have that that happy to have that that

:52:02.:52:03.

conversation. The CBR reported that conversation. The CBR reported that

:52:03.:52:06.

conversation. The CBR reported that conversation. The CBR reported that

:52:06.:52:06.

one in ten people borrowed money in one in ten people borrowed money in

:52:06.:52:08.

one in ten people borrowed money in one in ten people borrowed money in

:52:08.:52:09.

Newcastle to pay for food. In April Newcastle to pay for food. In April

:52:09.:52:10.

Newcastle to pay for food. In April 20,000 of our poorest households

:52:10.:52:12.

20,000 of our poorest households 20,000 of our poorest households

:52:12.:52:13.

20,000 of our poorest households will be asked to find up to �125

:52:13.:52:15.

will be asked to find up to �125 will be asked to find up to �125

:52:15.:52:16.

will be asked to find up to �125 per month to pay for their council

:52:16.:52:17.

per month to pay for their council per month to pay for their council

:52:17.:52:18.

per month to pay for their council tax benefit cut and the bedroom tax.

:52:19.:52:21.

tax benefit cut and the bedroom tax. tax benefit cut and the bedroom tax.

:52:21.:52:22.

So could the Prime Minister confirm So could the Prime Minister confirm

:52:22.:52:24.

So could the Prime Minister confirm whether at the same time he

:52:24.:52:25.

whether at the same time he whether at the same time he

:52:25.:52:26.

personally will be benefiting from personally will be benefiting from

:52:26.:52:28.

the millionaire's tax cut? the millionaire's tax cut?

:52:28.:52:31.

the millionaire's tax cut? the millionaire's tax cut?

:52:31.:52:32.

First of all, let me address the First of all, let me address the

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First of all, let me address the First of all, let me address the

:52:34.:52:36.

issue of the spare room subsidy in issue of the spare room subsidy in

:52:36.:52:37.

Newcastle specifically because Newcastle specifically because

:52:37.:52:39.

Newcastle specifically because there are 9,000 people on social

:52:39.:52:40.

there are 9,000 people on social there are 9,000 people on social

:52:40.:52:42.

housing waiting lists and this is housing waiting lists and this is

:52:42.:52:43.

housing waiting lists and this is important. Across the country, you

:52:43.:52:44.

important. Across the country, you important. Across the country, you

:52:45.:52:46.

have got 250,000 people who are have got 250,000 people who are

:52:46.:52:49.

living in overcrowded accommodation, living in overcrowded accommodation,

:52:49.:52:50.

living in overcrowded accommodation, living in overcrowded accommodation,

:52:50.:52:51.

who would love to have access to a who would love to have access to a

:52:51.:52:52.

who would love to have access to a who would love to have access to a

:52:52.:52:53.

house with more rooms and you have house with more rooms and you have

:52:53.:52:56.

386,000 people living in 386,000 people living in

:52:56.:52:57.

overcrowded housing. The party overcrowded housing. The party

:52:57.:52:58.

overcrowded housing. The party opposite does not want to recognise

:52:58.:52:59.

opposite does not want to recognise opposite does not want to recognise

:52:59.:53:00.

that reality and have got nothing that reality and have got nothing

:53:00.:53:04.

that reality and have got nothing to offer in terms of reform.

:53:04.:53:05.

to offer in terms of reform. to offer in terms of reform.

:53:05.:53:06.

to offer in terms of reform. Last year, more than 100 women were

:53:06.:53:08.

Last year, more than 100 women were Last year, more than 100 women were

:53:08.:53:08.

Last year, more than 100 women were killed by men in the United Kingdom

:53:08.:53:10.

killed by men in the United Kingdom killed by men in the United Kingdom

:53:10.:53:12.

and we know that domestic violence and we know that domestic violence

:53:12.:53:17.

happens across, behind door happens across, behind door

:53:17.:53:19.

happens across, behind door doorways across this country. Would

:53:19.:53:20.

doorways across this country. Would doorways across this country. Would

:53:20.:53:23.

the Prime Minister pay tribute to the Prime Minister pay tribute to

:53:23.:53:24.

the Prime Minister pay tribute to the work being done by Wiltshire

:53:24.:53:26.

the work being done by Wiltshire the work being done by Wiltshire

:53:26.:53:27.

the work being done by Wiltshire Police and to the Victim Support in

:53:28.:53:31.

Police and to the Victim Support in Police and to the Victim Support in

:53:31.:53:32.

Devizes who are providing services Devizes who are providing services

:53:32.:53:34.

Devizes who are providing services for people in my community?

:53:34.:53:36.

for people in my community? for people in my community?

:53:36.:53:37.

Fighting domestic violence is part Fighting domestic violence is part

:53:37.:53:38.

Fighting domestic violence is part of International scam woman's Week.

:53:38.:53:39.

of International scam woman's Week. of International scam woman's Week.

:53:39.:53:40.

of International scam woman's Week. I want too commend not just the

:53:40.:53:41.

I want too commend not just the I want too commend not just the

:53:41.:53:42.

police in Wiltshire, but the local police in Wiltshire, but the local

:53:42.:53:43.

police in Wiltshire, but the local authority that's done good work at

:53:43.:53:44.

authority that's done good work at authority that's done good work at

:53:44.:53:44.

bringing the agencies together to bringing the agencies together to

:53:44.:53:46.

bringing the agencies together to bringing the agencies together to

:53:46.:53:47.

make sure we have a joined up make sure we have a joined up

:53:47.:53:48.

make sure we have a joined up approach of trying to crack this

:53:48.:53:49.

approach of trying to crack this approach of trying to crack this

:53:49.:53:50.

approach of trying to crack this problem which as she says has often

:53:50.:53:55.

problem which as she says has often been hidden from view.

:53:55.:53:57.

been hidden from view. been hidden from view.

:53:57.:53:58.

been hidden from view. The orange report of the TUC -- the

:53:58.:53:59.

The orange report of the TUC -- the The orange report of the TUC -- the

:53:59.:54:00.

original report from the TUC original report from the TUC

:54:00.:54:02.

original report from the TUC suggest that had wages in this

:54:02.:54:09.

suggest that had wages in this suggest that had wages in this

:54:09.:54:10.

country has been suppressed by 3%. country has been suppressed by 3%.

:54:10.:54:12.

country has been suppressed by 3%. country has been suppressed by 3%.

:54:12.:54:13.

It was since the Tories came to It was since the Tories came to

:54:13.:54:13.

It was since the Tories came to power. Take that along with the

:54:13.:54:15.

power. Take that along with the power. Take that along with the

:54:15.:54:17.

power. Take that along with the cuts to welfare, why is it that

:54:17.:54:24.

cuts to welfare, why is it that cuts to welfare, why is it that

:54:24.:54:25.

that bankers and speck speculators that bankers and speck speculators

:54:25.:54:27.

that bankers and speck speculators can get away with stuffing their

:54:27.:54:28.

can get away with stuffing their can get away with stuffing their

:54:28.:54:29.

can get away with stuffing their pockets with �50 notes. When is the

:54:29.:54:32.

pockets with �50 notes. When is the pockets with �50 notes. When is the

:54:32.:54:33.

Prime Minister Prime Minister going Prime Minister Prime Minister going

:54:33.:54:37.

Prime Minister Prime Minister going Prime Minister Prime Minister going

:54:37.:54:38.

to get a grip? The point I would to get a grip? The point I would

:54:38.:54:38.

to get a grip? The point I would remind him about, when his

:54:39.:54:40.

remind him about, when his remind him about, when his

:54:40.:54:42.

honourable friends were in charge, honourable friends were in charge,

:54:42.:54:43.

honourable friends were in charge, honourable friends were in charge,

:54:43.:54:44.

the banks were going bust and there the banks were going bust and there

:54:44.:54:45.

the banks were going bust and there wasn't proper regulation. He can

:54:45.:54:46.

wasn't proper regulation. He can wasn't proper regulation. He can

:54:46.:54:48.

wasn't proper regulation. He can wave it away, but those two were

:54:48.:54:51.

wave it away, but those two were wave it away, but those two were

:54:51.:54:53.

sitting in the casino when the sitting in the casino when the

:54:53.:54:54.

sitting in the casino when the wheels wheels stopped spinning and

:54:54.:54:55.

wheels wheels stopped spinning and wheels wheels stopped spinning and

:54:55.:54:56.

the country nearly went bust. the country nearly went bust.

:54:56.:54:58.

the country nearly went bust. Does the Prime Minister welcome the

:54:58.:55:00.

Does the Prime Minister welcome the Does the Prime Minister welcome the

:55:00.:55:01.

action the Office of Fair Trading action the Office of Fair Trading

:55:01.:55:04.

action the Office of Fair Trading action the Office of Fair Trading

:55:04.:55:06.

have taken to ensure that pay day have taken to ensure that pay day

:55:06.:55:07.

lenders behave responsibly and lenders behave responsibly and

:55:07.:55:08.

lenders behave responsibly and lenders behave responsibly and

:55:08.:55:09.

fairly? The fact is that a number fairly? The fact is that a number

:55:09.:55:10.

fairly? The fact is that a number of pay day lenders have been

:55:10.:55:12.

of pay day lenders have been of pay day lenders have been

:55:12.:55:13.

behaving in an irresponsible way. behaving in an irresponsible way.

:55:13.:55:15.

behaving in an irresponsible way. behaving in an irresponsible way.

:55:15.:55:16.

The OFT are putting 50 firms on The OFT are putting 50 firms on

:55:17.:55:17.

The OFT are putting 50 firms on notice over their behaviour. They

:55:17.:55:19.

notice over their behaviour. They notice over their behaviour. They

:55:19.:55:20.

are requiring them to take actions are requiring them to take actions

:55:21.:55:22.

are requiring them to take actions facing fines or having their

:55:22.:55:24.

facing fines or having their facing fines or having their

:55:24.:55:25.

licences revoked and the OFT are licences revoked and the OFT are

:55:25.:55:28.

licences revoked and the OFT are consulting on referring the entire

:55:28.:55:29.

consulting on referring the entire sector to the Competition

:55:29.:55:32.

sector to the Competition sector to the Competition

:55:32.:55:35.

Commission. So action is being taken.

:55:35.:55:37.

taken. taken.

:55:37.:55:37.

Rotherham College of Arts and Rotherham College of Arts and

:55:37.:55:39.

Rotherham College of Arts and Rotherham College of Arts and

:55:39.:55:42.

Technology had a cut of of of 280 Technology had a cut of of of 280

:55:42.:55:43.

Technology had a cut of of of 280 places for 16 to 18-year-olds,

:55:43.:55:46.

places for 16 to 18-year-olds, places for 16 to 18-year-olds,

:55:46.:55:49.

that's a 10% cut despite Rotherham that's a 10% cut despite Rotherham

:55:49.:55:50.

that's a 10% cut despite Rotherham being an unemployment hotspot. Why

:55:50.:55:51.

being an unemployment hotspot. Why being an unemployment hotspot. Why

:55:51.:55:53.

is the Prime Minister denying young is the Prime Minister denying young

:55:53.:55:54.

is the Prime Minister denying young people of Rotherham an education?

:55:54.:55:55.

people of Rotherham an education? people of Rotherham an education?

:55:55.:55:56.

people of Rotherham an education? Can he explain why he is cutting

:55:56.:55:57.

Can he explain why he is cutting Can he explain why he is cutting

:55:58.:55:59.

taxes for millionaires, while young taxes for millionaires, while young

:55:59.:56:01.

people have no future? people have no future?

:56:01.:56:02.

people have no future? people have no future?

:56:02.:56:04.

Let me just tell her in her region, Let me just tell her in her region,

:56:04.:56:06.

Let me just tell her in her region, employment is up by 21,000 in

:56:06.:56:07.

employment is up by 21,000 in employment is up by 21,000 in

:56:07.:56:08.

employment is up by 21,000 in quarter. It is up by 74,000 since

:56:08.:56:11.

quarter. It is up by 74,000 since quarter. It is up by 74,000 since

:56:11.:56:13.

the election. We have taken 192,000 the election. We have taken 192,000

:56:13.:56:14.

the election. We have taken 192,000 the election. We have taken 192,000

:56:14.:56:16.

people in her region out of tax people in her region out of tax

:56:16.:56:17.

altogether and youth unemployment altogether and youth unemployment

:56:17.:56:21.

altogether and youth unemployment is down since the election.

:56:21.:56:22.

is down since the election. is down since the election.

:56:22.:56:24.

Like many others, I welcome last Like many others, I welcome last

:56:24.:56:25.

Like many others, I welcome last week's figures showing that annual

:56:25.:56:26.

week's figures showing that annual week's figures showing that annual

:56:26.:56:28.

week's figures showing that annual net migration has fallen by a third

:56:28.:56:30.

net migration has fallen by a third since the general election.

:56:30.:56:31.

since the general election. since the general election.

:56:31.:56:32.

Does the Prime Minister agree with Does the Prime Minister agree with

:56:32.:56:33.

Does the Prime Minister agree with me that this shows the Government

:56:33.:56:35.

me that this shows the Government is ending uncontrolled immigration

:56:35.:56:37.

is ending uncontrolled immigration is ending uncontrolled immigration

:56:37.:56:39.

while the party opposite has while the party opposite has

:56:39.:56:40.

while the party opposite has opposed every single step that we

:56:40.:56:40.

opposed every single step that we opposed every single step that we

:56:41.:56:42.

opposed every single step that we are take to go bring it down?

:56:43.:56:44.

are take to go bring it down? are take to go bring it down?

:56:44.:56:45.

I think my honourable friend makes I think my honourable friend makes

:56:45.:56:47.

I think my honourable friend makes a worthwhile point. We have taken

:56:47.:56:48.

a worthwhile point. We have taken action right across-the-board to

:56:48.:56:50.

action right across-the-board to deal with the unacceptable

:56:50.:56:51.

deal with the unacceptable deal with the unacceptable

:56:52.:56:53.

situation that we inherited. Under situation that we inherited. Under

:56:53.:56:54.

situation that we inherited. Under the last Government, net migration

:56:54.:56:56.

the last Government, net migration the last Government, net migration

:56:56.:56:57.

the last Government, net migration ran at over 200,000 a year. That

:56:57.:56:58.

ran at over 200,000 a year. That ran at over 200,000 a year. That

:56:58.:57:00.

meant two million over a decade. meant two million over a decade.

:57:00.:57:01.

meant two million over a decade. meant two million over a decade.

:57:01.:57:02.

That is two cities the size of That is two cities the size of

:57:02.:57:03.

That is two cities the size of Birmingham coming and staying in

:57:03.:57:05.

Birmingham coming and staying in Birmingham coming and staying in

:57:05.:57:08.

our country under their busted and our country under their busted and

:57:08.:57:08.

our country under their busted and bankrupt system. Now what we have

:57:08.:57:09.

bankrupt system. Now what we have bankrupt system. Now what we have

:57:09.:57:10.

bankrupt system. Now what we have done is cut that net migration by a

:57:10.:57:11.

done is cut that net migration by a done is cut that net migration by a

:57:11.:57:12.

done is cut that net migration by a third by taking a series of steps,

:57:12.:57:13.

third by taking a series of steps, third by taking a series of steps,

:57:13.:57:14.

third by taking a series of steps, none of which they have they have

:57:14.:57:17.

none of which they have they have none of which they have they have

:57:17.:57:18.

supported. Tonight Tonight we are supported. Tonight Tonight we are

:57:18.:57:19.

supported. Tonight Tonight we are supported. Tonight Tonight we are

:57:19.:57:21.

going to get one of these fake going to get one of these fake

:57:21.:57:22.

apologies from the Leader of the apologies from the Leader of the

:57:22.:57:23.

apologies from the Leader of the Opposition. I suspect it will be

:57:23.:57:26.

Opposition. I suspect it will be Opposition. I suspect it will be

:57:26.:57:28.

Opposition. I suspect it will be every bit of real as his apology

:57:28.:57:33.

every bit of real as his apology every bit of real as his apology

:57:33.:57:36.

every bit of real as his apology for the way he left the country in.

:57:36.:57:37.

for the way he left the country in. for the way he left the country in.

:57:37.:57:38.

Every police station in Croydon Every police station in Croydon

:57:38.:57:39.

Every police station in Croydon North will close down and there

:57:39.:57:43.

North will close down and there North will close down and there

:57:43.:57:45.

will be fewer police officers that will be fewer police officers that

:57:45.:57:47.

will be fewer police officers that existed under the riots. Isn't this

:57:47.:57:49.

existed under the riots. Isn't this existed under the riots. Isn't this

:57:49.:57:50.

another broken promise? First of another broken promise? First of

:57:50.:57:52.

another broken promise? First of all, his figures are wrong. The

:57:52.:57:53.

all, his figures are wrong. The number of neighbourhood police

:57:53.:57:55.

number of neighbourhood police number of neighbourhood police

:57:55.:58:00.

number of neighbourhood police officers in London is up from 895

:58:00.:58:01.

officers in London is up from 895 officers in London is up from 895

:58:01.:58:02.

officers in London is up from 895 to 3,418. Crime is down in the Met

:58:02.:58:04.

to 3,418. Crime is down in the Met to 3,418. Crime is down in the Met

:58:04.:58:05.

and he should be welcoming that and he should be welcoming that

:58:05.:58:13.

rather than criticising it. rather than criticising it.

:58:13.:58:15.

rather than criticising it. rather than criticising it.

:58:15.:58:17.

The Lords say go forth and in The Lords say go forth and in

:58:17.:58:19.

The Lords say go forth and in Eastleigh Labour came fourth! The

:58:19.:58:20.

Eastleigh Labour came fourth! The Eastleigh Labour came fourth! The

:58:20.:58:22.

Prime Minister has observed that Prime Minister has observed that

:58:22.:58:23.

Prime Minister has observed that Prime Minister has observed that

:58:23.:58:26.

UKIP is a party of nut cases, fruit UKIP is a party of nut cases, fruit

:58:26.:58:28.

UKIP is a party of nut cases, fruit cakes and racists. His chair

:58:28.:58:29.

cakes and racists. His chair chairman says the Conservatives

:58:29.:58:32.

chairman says the Conservatives chairman says the Conservatives

:58:32.:58:33.

should form an electoral pact with should form an electoral pact with

:58:33.:58:34.

should form an electoral pact with UKIP. How are the talks going?

:58:34.:58:35.

UKIP. How are the talks going? UKIP. How are the talks going?

:58:35.:58:36.

UKIP. How are the talks going? First of all, can I commend my

:58:36.:58:39.

First of all, can I commend my First of all, can I commend my

:58:39.:58:41.

honourable friend on his splendid honourable friend on his splendid

:58:41.:58:42.

honourable friend on his splendid waistcoat. We will see that, all

:58:42.:58:45.

waistcoat. We will see that, all waistcoat. We will see that, all

:58:45.:58:46.

right, OK, enough already! What I right, OK, enough already! What I

:58:46.:58:46.

right, OK, enough already! What I right, OK, enough already! What I

:58:46.:58:48.

can say is it was a good, honest can say is it was a good, honest

:58:48.:58:49.

can say is it was a good, honest and fair fight in Eastleigh, but

:58:49.:58:50.

and fair fight in Eastleigh, but and fair fight in Eastleigh, but

:58:50.:58:52.

and fair fight in Eastleigh, but what I would be clear about is the

:58:52.:58:52.

what I would be clear about is the what I would be clear about is the

:58:52.:58:53.

party that is meant to be party that is meant to be

:58:54.:58:55.

party that is meant to be challenging as the opposition in

:58:55.:59:01.

challenging as the opposition in our country went nowhere.

:59:01.:59:05.

our country went nowhere. our country went nowhere.

:59:05.:59:07.

Thank you Mr Speaker. My Thank you Mr Speaker. My

:59:07.:59:09.

constituents in Dumfries and constituents in Dumfries and

:59:09.:59:10.

constituents in Dumfries and Galloway are demanding that big

:59:10.:59:11.

Galloway are demanding that big Galloway are demanding that big

:59:11.:59:13.

businesses pay their full taxes. businesses pay their full taxes.

:59:13.:59:14.

businesses pay their full taxes. Like wise, they are determined that

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Like wise, they are determined that Like wise, they are determined that

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individuals pay all their taxes. individuals pay all their taxes.

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individuals pay all their taxes. Prime Minister, you have said that

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Prime Minister, you have said that Prime Minister, you have said that

:59:22.:59:23.

Prime Minister, you have said that you will pay all taxes too in the

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you will pay all taxes too in the you will pay all taxes too in the

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proper way. Next month, will that proper way. Next month, will that

:59:26.:59:28.

proper way. Next month, will that proper way. Next month, will that

:59:28.:59:29.

include any tax that the new 45 include any tax that the new 45

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include any tax that the new 45 pence rate which you have Prime

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pence rate which you have Prime pence rate which you have Prime

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Minister have cut from 50 pence? Minister have cut from 50 pence?

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Minister have cut from 50 pence? Minister have cut from 50 pence?

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First of all, can I welcome the First of all, can I welcome the

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First of all, can I welcome the fact that he support this is

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fact that he support this is fact that he support this is

:59:38.:59:39.

Government's G8 initiative on tax Government's G8 initiative on tax

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Government's G8 initiative on tax transparency which we are going to

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transparency which we are going to transparency which we are going to

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make progress on. The the reason make progress on. The the reason

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make progress on. The the reason for replacing the 50 pence rate

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for replacing the 50 pence rate for replacing the 50 pence rate

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for replacing the 50 pence rate with the 45 pence rate, the 50

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with the 45 pence rate, the 50 with the 45 pence rate, the 50

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pence wasn't raising proper money. pence wasn't raising proper money.

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pence wasn't raising proper money. pence wasn't raising proper money.

:59:54.:59:55.

That's why for ten years in office, That's why for ten years in office,

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That's why for ten years in office, That's why for ten years in office,

:59:56.:59:57.

the Labour Party never put this in the Labour Party never put this in

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the Labour Party never put this in place and that's why under this

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place and that's why under this place and that's why under this

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Government the 45 pence rate will Government the 45 pence rate will

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Government the 45 pence rate will Government the 45 pence rate will

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be higher than the rate than ever be higher than the rate than ever

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be higher than the rate than ever be higher than the rate than ever

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it was when the two Labour Party it was when the two Labour Party

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it was when the two Labour Party members were sitting in the casino.

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members were sitting in the casino. members were sitting in the casino.

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The blight fear and anxiety this The blight fear and anxiety this

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project generates hit my project generates hit my

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project generates hit my constituency on 28th January with

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constituency on 28th January with constituency on 28th January with

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the announcement. Of the extented the announcement. Of the extented

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the announcement. Of the extented route -- extented route and

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route -- extented route and constituents can't sell their

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constituents can't sell their constituents can't sell their

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houses. Can my right honourable houses. Can my right honourable

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friend ensure that representatives friend ensure that representatives

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friend ensure that representatives of HS2 visit my constituency to

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of HS2 visit my constituency to of HS2 visit my constituency to

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address the concerns of my address the concerns of my

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constituents about this project? constituents about this project?

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constituents about this project? constituents about this project?

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I am happy to make sure that what I am happy to make sure that what

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I am happy to make sure that what my honourable friend asked for

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my honourable friend asked for my honourable friend asked for

:00:50.:00:51.

happens. I understand that when you happens. I understand that when you

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happens. I understand that when you happens. I understand that when you

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launch a project like HS2 it does launch a project like HS2 it does

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launch a project like HS2 it does launch a project like HS2 it does

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cause a lot of local concern and cause a lot of local concern and

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cause a lot of local concern and local unease. That's why we are

:00:57.:00:59.

local unease. That's why we are local unease. That's why we are

:00:59.:01:00.

putting in place a consultation and putting in place a consultation and

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putting in place a consultation and putting in place a consultation and

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that's why we will put in place a that's why we will put in place a

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that's why we will put in place a generous compensation scheme. But I

:01:03.:01:04.

generous compensation scheme. But I generous compensation scheme. But I

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generous compensation scheme. But I would say, if we are going to win

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would say, if we are going to win would say, if we are going to win

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in the global race economically, we in the global race economically, we

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in the global race economically, we in the global race economically, we

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have got to make sure we invest in have got to make sure we invest in

:01:14.:01:14.

new infrastructure, bridges, new infrastructure, bridges,

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tunnels or railways, including tunnels or railways, including

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tunnels or railways, including high-speed rail. The rest of the

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high-speed rail. The rest of the high-speed rail. The rest of the

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high-speed rail. The rest of the world is getting on board a high-

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speed revolution. speed revolution.

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speed revolution. speed revolution.

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Taking the exact sum out of the Taking the exact sum out of the

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care sectors early intervention care sectors early intervention

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care sectors early intervention care sectors early intervention

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grant seems to be a classic example grant seems to be a classic example

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grant seems to be a classic example grant seems to be a classic example

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of giving with one hand and taking of giving with one hand and taking

:01:41.:01:42.

of giving with one hand and taking with the other, is the Prime

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with the other, is the Prime with the other, is the Prime

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Minister not acting in a manner Minister not acting in a manner

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Minister not acting in a manner more usually associated with his

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more usually associated with his more usually associated with his

:01:49.:01:51.

coalition partners? It is important coalition partners? It is important

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coalition partners? It is important we make progress with rates of

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we make progress with rates of we make progress with rates of

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adoption in in our country. Too adoption in in our country. Too

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adoption in in our country. Too adoption in in our country. Too

:01:57.:01:57.

many children are left too long in many children are left too long in

:01:57.:01:58.

many children are left too long in many children are left too long in

:01:58.:01:59.

care when we know there are loving care when we know there are loving

:01:59.:02:01.

care when we know there are loving homes they could be adopted into.

:02:01.:02:02.

homes they could be adopted into. homes they could be adopted into.

:02:02.:02:03.

Taking some of that money and Taking some of that money and

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really encouraging local really encouraging local

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really encouraging local authorities to raise their game to

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authorities to raise their game to authorities to raise their game to

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improve what they do can transform improve what they do can transform

:02:08.:02:10.

improve what they do can transform the life chances of other people

:02:10.:02:11.

the life chances of other people the life chances of other people

:02:11.:02:11.

the life chances of other people who would be stuck in care and we

:02:11.:02:13.

who would be stuck in care and we who would be stuck in care and we

:02:13.:02:14.

who would be stuck in care and we know the State is not a good parent

:02:14.:02:14.

know the State is not a good parent know the State is not a good parent

:02:14.:02:15.

know the State is not a good parent and we want to see more children

:02:15.:02:16.

and we want to see more children and we want to see more children

:02:16.:02:17.

adopted more quickly so more can adopted more quickly so more can

:02:17.:02:23.

adopted more quickly so more can grow up in a loving home.

:02:23.:02:24.

grow up in a loving home. grow up in a loving home.

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grow up in a loving home. New car sales are up 8% in February.

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New car sales are up 8% in February. New car sales are up 8% in February.

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New car sales are up 8% in February. I am happy to join my honourable

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I am happy to join my honourable I am happy to join my honourable

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friend in that. The economy is friend in that. The economy is

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friend in that. The economy is rebalancing. We are seeing that in

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rebalancing. We are seeing that in rebalancing. We are seeing that in

:02:39.:02:39.

rebalancing. We are seeing that in the export figures to some of the

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the export figures to some of the the export figures to some of the

:02:40.:02:41.

fastest growing countries in the fastest growing countries in the

:02:41.:02:42.

fastest growing countries in the world. There are one million more

:02:42.:02:43.

world. There are one million more world. There are one million more

:02:43.:02:44.

people in private sector jobs. The people in private sector jobs. The

:02:44.:02:46.

people in private sector jobs. The rate of new business creation is

:02:46.:02:47.

rate of new business creation is rate of new business creation is

:02:47.:02:48.

rate of new business creation is the fast fastest now than it has

:02:48.:02:49.

the fast fastest now than it has the fast fastest now than it has

:02:49.:02:53.

been in our history. Our economy been in our history. Our economy

:02:53.:02:55.

been in our history. Our economy been in our history. Our economy

:02:55.:02:57.

employs more people than it it has employs more people than it it has

:02:57.:02:58.

employs more people than it it has employs more people than it it has

:02:58.:02:58.

done in our history. The deficit is done in our history. The deficit is

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done in our history. The deficit is done in our history. The deficit is

:03:00.:03:01.

down by a quarter. We are taking down by a quarter. We are taking

:03:01.:03:02.

down by a quarter. We are taking down by a quarter. We are taking

:03:02.:03:03.

the steps we need to get our the steps we need to get our

:03:03.:03:04.

the steps we need to get our economy moving and we have nothing

:03:04.:03:05.

economy moving and we have nothing constructive from the party

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opposite. opposite.

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opposite. opposite.

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I am delighted to hear the Prime I am delighted to hear the Prime

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I am delighted to hear the Prime I am delighted to hear the Prime

:03:12.:03:13.

Minister say he agrees the pay day Minister say he agrees the pay day

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loan industry is irresponsible. loan industry is irresponsible.

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loan industry is irresponsible. loan industry is irresponsible.

:03:15.:03:17.

Will he commit to do the one thing Will he commit to do the one thing

:03:17.:03:18.

Will he commit to do the one thing Will he commit to do the one thing

:03:18.:03:18.

we know would make a difference and we know would make a difference and

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we know would make a difference and cut the charges of illegal loan

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cut the charges of illegal loan cut the charges of illegal loan

:03:21.:03:22.

sharks, yes or no? The most sharks, yes or no? The most

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sharks, yes or no? The most important thing today is to welcome

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important thing today is to welcome important thing today is to welcome

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important thing today is to welcome what the Office of Fair Trading is

:03:26.:03:27.

what the Office of Fair Trading is what the Office of Fair Trading is

:03:27.:03:28.

doing which is putting these doing which is putting these

:03:28.:03:29.

doing which is putting these companies on notice, but it is

:03:29.:03:30.

companies on notice, but it is companies on notice, but it is

:03:30.:03:31.

companies on notice, but it is worth making the point that if you

:03:31.:03:32.

worth making the point that if you worth making the point that if you

:03:32.:03:33.

don't have an effective regulated don't have an effective regulated

:03:33.:03:35.

don't have an effective regulated sector, you see more dangers from

:03:35.:03:35.

sector, you see more dangers from sector, you see more dangers from

:03:35.:03:36.

sector, you see more dangers from loan sharks which is the point the

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loan sharks which is the point the lady is making.

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lady is making. lady is making.

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lady is making. This week, the 45 million people of

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This week, the 45 million people of This week, the 45 million people of

:03:43.:03:45.

Kenya, one of the fastest emerging Kenya, one of the fastest emerging

:03:45.:03:45.

Kenya, one of the fastest emerging Kenya, one of the fastest emerging

:03:45.:03:46.

markets went to the polls to elect markets went to the polls to elect

:03:46.:03:47.

markets went to the polls to elect a new Government under a new

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a new Government under a new constitution. Yesterday, I came

:03:48.:03:49.

constitution. Yesterday, I came constitution. Yesterday, I came

:03:49.:03:52.

constitution. Yesterday, I came back from the funeral in Kenya of

:03:52.:03:54.

back from the funeral in Kenya of back from the funeral in Kenya of

:03:54.:03:55.

back from the funeral in Kenya of Dr Anthony King, he was killed last

:03:55.:03:56.

Dr Anthony King, he was killed last Dr Anthony King, he was killed last

:03:56.:03:57.

week. Will the Prime Minister take week. Will the Prime Minister take

:03:57.:04:00.

week. Will the Prime Minister take this opportunity to send our

:04:00.:04:01.

this opportunity to send our this opportunity to send our

:04:02.:04:02.

condolences to Dr King's people and condolences to Dr King's people and

:04:03.:04:03.

condolences to Dr King's people and condolences to Dr King's people and

:04:03.:04:07.

our support to the people of Kenya? our support to the people of Kenya?

:04:07.:04:08.

our support to the people of Kenya? I commend my honourable friend for

:04:08.:04:09.

I commend my honourable friend for I commend my honourable friend for

:04:09.:04:11.

raising this issue and I pay raising this issue and I pay

:04:11.:04:12.

raising this issue and I pay raising this issue and I pay

:04:12.:04:13.

tribute to Anthony King and I know tribute to Anthony King and I know

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tribute to Anthony King and I know tribute to Anthony King and I know

:04:15.:04:15.

he travelled to Kenya to to speak he travelled to Kenya to to speak

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he travelled to Kenya to to speak he travelled to Kenya to to speak

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at his funeral. We want to see at his funeral. We want to see

:04:19.:04:22.

at his funeral. We want to see proper, free and fair elections,

:04:22.:04:25.

proper, free and fair elections, proper, free and fair elections,

:04:25.:04:29.

completed in Kenya and a proper completed in Kenya and a proper

:04:29.:04:30.

democratically elected Government democratically elected Government

:04:30.:04:40.
:04:40.:05:16.

Full let's get reaction from our Full let's get reaction from our

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Full let's get reaction from our team in the second. Diane from Truro

:05:18.:05:19.

team in the second. Diane from Truro team in the second. Diane from Truro

:05:19.:05:20.

team in the second. Diane from Truro said it was an excellent day from

:05:20.:05:21.

said it was an excellent day from said it was an excellent day from

:05:22.:05:25.

Mister Miliband, who exposed the Mister Miliband, who exposed the

:05:25.:05:26.

Mister Miliband, who exposed the Mister Miliband, who exposed the

:05:26.:05:26.

political floor in the "we are all political floor in the "we are all

:05:26.:05:29.

political floor in the "we are all in this together" message. But

:05:29.:05:31.

in this together" message. But in this together" message. But

:05:31.:05:34.

another viewer says, can Miliband be another viewer says, can Miliband be

:05:34.:05:35.

prosecuted under the trade prosecuted under the trade

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prosecuted under the trade descriptions act as the bedroom tax

:05:36.:05:37.

descriptions act as the bedroom tax descriptions act as the bedroom tax

:05:37.:05:38.

descriptions act as the bedroom tax descriptions act as the bedroom tax

:05:38.:05:38.

is not a tax? John in Surrey dash it is not a tax? John in Surrey dash it

:05:39.:05:40.

is not a tax? John in Surrey dash it is clear that David Cameron is

:05:40.:05:41.

is clear that David Cameron is is clear that David Cameron is

:05:41.:05:41.

is clear that David Cameron is trying to ram home the message about

:05:42.:05:43.

trying to ram home the message about trying to ram home the message about

:05:43.:05:44.

Labour playing fast and loose with Labour playing fast and loose with

:05:44.:05:44.

Labour playing fast and loose with the economy by calling them

:05:44.:05:45.

the economy by calling them the economy by calling them

:05:45.:05:46.

the economy by calling them croupiers will stop trying to get at

:05:46.:05:47.

croupiers will stop trying to get at croupiers will stop trying to get at

:05:47.:05:48.

croupiers will stop trying to get at Villa band is a cunning tactic by

:05:48.:05:50.

Villa band is a cunning tactic by Villa band is a cunning tactic by

:05:51.:05:53.

Mister Cameron to steer the debate Mister Cameron to steer the debate

:05:53.:05:55.

Mister Cameron to steer the debate away from the poor easterly

:05:55.:05:56.

away from the poor easterly by-election performance. Another

:05:56.:05:59.

by-election performance. Another by-election performance. Another

:05:59.:06:00.

by-election performance. Another viewer says Ed Miliband knows how to

:06:00.:06:01.

viewer says Ed Miliband knows how to viewer says Ed Miliband knows how to

:06:01.:06:02.

viewer says Ed Miliband knows how to score an own goal by referring to

:06:02.:06:03.

score an own goal by referring to score an own goal by referring to

:06:03.:06:04.

score an own goal by referring to what went on in 2008. How will

:06:04.:06:05.

what went on in 2008. How will what went on in 2008. How will

:06:05.:06:06.

what went on in 2008. How will Labour pay for spending in future if

:06:06.:06:08.

Labour pay for spending in future if Labour pay for spending in future if

:06:08.:06:09.

bankers either leave the UK or bankers either leave the UK or

:06:09.:06:10.

bankers either leave the UK or contribute less to lower taxation?

:06:11.:06:14.

contribute less to lower taxation? contribute less to lower taxation?

:06:14.:06:17.

Another says Ed Miliband's attack on Another says Ed Miliband's attack on

:06:17.:06:19.

Another says Ed Miliband's attack on bank bonuses is the height of

:06:19.:06:20.

bank bonuses is the height of bank bonuses is the height of

:06:20.:06:21.

bank bonuses is the height of hypocrisy, as Gordon Brown set a tax

:06:21.:06:22.

hypocrisy, as Gordon Brown set a tax hypocrisy, as Gordon Brown set a tax

:06:22.:06:23.

trap for the Tories which they trap for the Tories which they

:06:23.:06:25.

unfortunately jumped into headfirst. unfortunately jumped into headfirst.

:06:25.:06:26.

unfortunately jumped into headfirst. This economic debate is getting a

:06:26.:06:28.

This economic debate is getting a This economic debate is getting a

:06:28.:06:29.

This economic debate is getting a bit long in the tooth. It is like

:06:29.:06:30.

bit long in the tooth. It is like bit long in the tooth. It is like

:06:30.:06:31.

bit long in the tooth. It is like groundhog day when we do it, and

:06:31.:06:32.

groundhog day when we do it, and groundhog day when we do it, and

:06:32.:06:36.

groundhog day when we do it, and there are another two years to go.

:06:36.:06:37.

there are another two years to go. there are another two years to go.

:06:37.:06:38.

there are another two years to go. there are another two years to go.

:06:38.:06:38.

We in, week out, it boils down to a We in, week out, it boils down to a

:06:38.:06:42.

We in, week out, it boils down to a handful of words. More and more,

:06:42.:06:43.

handful of words. More and more, handful of words. More and more,

:06:43.:06:45.

both sides are market researching both sides are market researching

:06:45.:06:46.

both sides are market researching both sides are market researching

:06:46.:06:47.

phrases that they want to use and phrases that they want to use and

:06:47.:06:48.

phrases that they want to use and then relentlessly repeating the will

:06:48.:06:50.

then relentlessly repeating the will then relentlessly repeating the will

:06:50.:06:51.

stop Ed Miliband used the phrase stop Ed Miliband used the phrase

:06:51.:06:52.

stop Ed Miliband used the phrase bedroom tax. Again and again, in

:06:52.:06:55.

bedroom tax. Again and again, in bedroom tax. Again and again, in

:06:55.:06:57.

that exchange, David Cameron talked that exchange, David Cameron talked

:06:57.:06:58.

that exchange, David Cameron talked about the croupiers in the casino.

:06:58.:06:59.

about the croupiers in the casino. about the croupiers in the casino.

:06:59.:07:00.

In simple terms, Labour are saying In simple terms, Labour are saying

:07:00.:07:01.

In simple terms, Labour are saying In simple terms, Labour are saying

:07:01.:07:03.

the Tories are on the wrong side. the Tories are on the wrong side.

:07:03.:07:04.

the Tories are on the wrong side. the Tories are on the wrong side.

:07:04.:07:04.

The Tories are saying, you were in The Tories are saying, you were in

:07:04.:07:06.

The Tories are saying, you were in The Tories are saying, you were in

:07:06.:07:07.

charge when it went wrong, so you charge when it went wrong, so you

:07:07.:07:09.

charge when it went wrong, so you can't attack us. Underneath it,

:07:09.:07:10.

can't attack us. Underneath it, can't attack us. Underneath it,

:07:10.:07:12.

can't attack us. Underneath it, there was a bit of substance, to,

:07:12.:07:14.

there was a bit of substance, to, there was a bit of substance, to,

:07:14.:07:15.

which is on what David Cameron which is on what David Cameron

:07:15.:07:16.

which is on what David Cameron which is on what David Cameron

:07:17.:07:20.

wanted to rebrand as the spare room wanted to rebrand as the spare room

:07:20.:07:20.

wanted to rebrand as the spare room wanted to rebrand as the spare room

:07:20.:07:21.

subsidy, although it is a bit late subsidy, although it is a bit late

:07:21.:07:22.

subsidy, although it is a bit late to change the language most people

:07:22.:07:23.

to change the language most people to change the language most people

:07:23.:07:25.

are using, the bedroom tax. But are using, the bedroom tax. But

:07:25.:07:27.

are using, the bedroom tax. But there was substance over the money

:07:27.:07:28.

there was substance over the money there was substance over the money

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there was substance over the money to help people who are disabled and

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to help people who are disabled and to help people who are disabled and

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whether it actually covers all of whether it actually covers all of

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whether it actually covers all of whether it actually covers all of

:07:35.:07:36.

the people who are disabled and are the people who are disabled and are

:07:36.:07:37.

the people who are disabled and are suffering as a result of the

:07:37.:07:38.

suffering as a result of the suffering as a result of the

:07:38.:07:38.

decision to take money away from decision to take money away from

:07:38.:07:39.

decision to take money away from decision to take money away from

:07:39.:07:40.

people who have a spare room and are people who have a spare room and are

:07:40.:07:45.

people who have a spare room and are in social housing. The Labour

:07:45.:07:46.

in social housing. The Labour in social housing. The Labour

:07:46.:07:46.

in social housing. The Labour argument is that the people who are

:07:46.:07:47.

argument is that the people who are argument is that the people who are

:07:47.:07:48.

argument is that the people who are not sick enough to have to pay for

:07:48.:07:50.

not sick enough to have to pay for not sick enough to have to pay for

:07:50.:07:51.

not sick enough to have to pay for their care, for example a couple who

:07:51.:07:52.

their care, for example a couple who their care, for example a couple who

:07:52.:07:53.

want to sleep in different rooms want to sleep in different rooms

:07:53.:07:55.

want to sleep in different rooms want to sleep in different rooms

:07:55.:07:56.

because one of them is extremely ill because one of them is extremely ill

:07:56.:07:56.

because one of them is extremely ill because one of them is extremely ill

:07:56.:07:57.

and the other one does not get any and the other one does not get any

:07:57.:08:01.

and the other one does not get any sleep, they will lose housing

:08:01.:08:01.

sleep, they will lose housing sleep, they will lose housing

:08:01.:08:02.

sleep, they will lose housing benefit as a result of, in theory,

:08:02.:08:05.

benefit as a result of, in theory, benefit as a result of, in theory,

:08:05.:08:05.

benefit as a result of, in theory, having a spare room. Is it Labour's

:08:05.:08:08.

having a spare room. Is it Labour's having a spare room. Is it Labour's

:08:08.:08:08.

position that housing benefit should position that housing benefit should

:08:08.:08:12.

position that housing benefit should position that housing benefit should

:08:12.:08:12.

not be changed? To come back on what not be changed? To come back on what

:08:12.:08:14.

not be changed? To come back on what Nick said about market research,

:08:14.:08:15.

Nick said about market research, Nick said about market research,

:08:15.:08:16.

people come to our constituency people come to our constituency

:08:16.:08:18.

people come to our constituency surgeries week in, week out, and

:08:18.:08:21.

surgeries week in, week out, and surgeries week in, week out, and

:08:21.:08:21.

surgeries week in, week out, and tell us about this. He said some of

:08:22.:08:24.

tell us about this. He said some of tell us about this. He said some of

:08:24.:08:25.

tell us about this. He said some of the language you were using might be

:08:25.:08:27.

the language you were using might be the language you were using might be

:08:27.:08:28.

based on market research. Well, based on market research. Well,

:08:28.:08:29.

based on market research. Well, based on market research. Well,

:08:29.:08:30.

people are telling us, my husband is people are telling us, my husband is

:08:30.:08:31.

people are telling us, my husband is people are telling us, my husband is

:08:31.:08:31.

disabled, I have to sleep in the disabled, I have to sleep in the

:08:31.:08:33.

disabled, I have to sleep in the disabled, I have to sleep in the

:08:33.:08:34.

next room in order to care for him next room in order to care for him

:08:34.:08:35.

next room in order to care for him next room in order to care for him

:08:35.:08:35.

during the day. Unless you have paid during the day. Unless you have paid

:08:36.:08:36.

during the day. Unless you have paid during the day. Unless you have paid

:08:37.:08:38.

care are coming in over night, you care are coming in over night, you

:08:38.:08:39.

care are coming in over night, you care are coming in over night, you

:08:39.:08:41.

will be affected by the bedroom tax. will be affected by the bedroom tax.

:08:41.:08:42.

will be affected by the bedroom tax. Last Friday, people were crying

:08:42.:08:45.

Last Friday, people were crying Last Friday, people were crying

:08:45.:08:46.

Last Friday, people were crying because they have an eight x 7'

:08:46.:08:47.

because they have an eight x 7' because they have an eight x 7'

:08:47.:08:48.

bedroom in which their son is bedroom in which their son is

:08:48.:08:49.

bedroom in which their son is sleeping, and their son is now

:08:49.:08:50.

sleeping, and their son is now sleeping, and their son is now

:08:50.:08:51.

sleeping, and their son is now expected to share a bedroom with his

:08:51.:08:51.

expected to share a bedroom with his expected to share a bedroom with his

:08:52.:08:52.

brother and the whole family is brother and the whole family is

:08:52.:08:54.

brother and the whole family is supposed to move house. This ignores

:08:54.:08:54.

supposed to move house. This ignores supposed to move house. This ignores

:08:55.:08:57.

supposed to move house. This ignores the reality of life when people have

:08:57.:08:58.

the reality of life when people have the reality of life when people have

:08:59.:09:00.

spent money, decorated their homes, spent money, decorated their homes,

:09:00.:09:02.

spent money, decorated their homes, put gardens down and are now

:09:02.:09:03.

put gardens down and are now put gardens down and are now

:09:03.:09:03.

expected to suddenly move into expected to suddenly move into

:09:03.:09:06.

smaller accommodation, often with smaller accommodation, often with

:09:06.:09:07.

smaller accommodation, often with teenage children who may want space

:09:07.:09:10.

teenage children who may want space teenage children who may want space

:09:10.:09:11.

teenage children who may want space to do their homework, and they are

:09:11.:09:12.

to do their homework, and they are to do their homework, and they are

:09:12.:09:13.

being penalised. If they were in being penalised. If they were in

:09:13.:09:14.

being penalised. If they were in being penalised. If they were in

:09:14.:09:15.

their own home, they would have a their own home, they would have a

:09:15.:09:17.

their own home, they would have a bedroom for each child, because they

:09:17.:09:17.

bedroom for each child, because they bedroom for each child, because they

:09:17.:09:19.

bedroom for each child, because they are in a council home, they are not

:09:19.:09:20.

are in a council home, they are not are in a council home, they are not

:09:20.:09:21.

are in a council home, they are not allowed to do that. One woman said,

:09:21.:09:23.

allowed to do that. One woman said, allowed to do that. One woman said,

:09:23.:09:24.

I don't feel like a second-class I don't feel like a second-class

:09:24.:09:24.

I don't feel like a second-class I don't feel like a second-class

:09:24.:09:25.

citizen, I feel like a piece of citizen, I feel like a piece of

:09:25.:09:26.

citizen, I feel like a piece of rubbish that has been underway by

:09:26.:09:30.

rubbish that has been underway by rubbish that has been underway by

:09:30.:09:31.

the government. Ed Vaizey? Mary is the government. Ed Vaizey? Mary is

:09:31.:09:33.

the government. Ed Vaizey? Mary is using emotive language. People are

:09:33.:09:35.

using emotive language. People are using emotive language. People are

:09:35.:09:37.

in tears. The last Labour government in tears. The last Labour government

:09:37.:09:37.

in tears. The last Labour government talked about tackling this, and we

:09:37.:09:38.

talked about tackling this, and we talked about tackling this, and we

:09:38.:09:41.

talked about tackling this, and we are trying to tackle it. If you have

:09:41.:09:42.

are trying to tackle it. If you have are trying to tackle it. If you have

:09:42.:09:43.

criticisms, fair enough, but we need criticisms, fair enough, but we need

:09:43.:09:47.

criticisms, fair enough, but we need to know the alternative. My

:09:47.:09:49.

to know the alternative. My to know the alternative. My

:09:49.:09:50.

constituents know that they could constituents know that they could

:09:50.:09:51.

constituents know that they could reduce the waiting list if they

:09:51.:09:53.

reduce the waiting list if they reduce the waiting list if they

:09:53.:09:54.

equated occupancy rates with people equated occupancy rates with people

:09:54.:09:55.

equated occupancy rates with people in social housing. There are

:09:55.:09:57.

in social housing. There are in social housing. There are

:09:57.:09:58.

something like 1.4 million bedrooms something like 1.4 million bedrooms

:09:58.:09:59.

something like 1.4 million bedrooms something like 1.4 million bedrooms

:09:59.:10:00.

that could be used. If you want to that could be used. If you want to

:10:00.:10:03.

that could be used. If you want to reduce housing waiting lists, if you

:10:03.:10:06.

reduce housing waiting lists, if you reduce housing waiting lists, if you

:10:06.:10:07.

want to use housing more want to use housing more

:10:07.:10:07.

want to use housing more effectively, you have to put changes

:10:08.:10:09.

effectively, you have to put changes effectively, you have to put changes

:10:09.:10:10.

effectively, you have to put changes in place. With a lot of injustice in

:10:10.:10:13.

in place. With a lot of injustice in in place. With a lot of injustice in

:10:13.:10:14.

the process? Labour are the the process? Labour are the

:10:14.:10:15.

the process? Labour are the opposition and can critique the

:10:15.:10:16.

opposition and can critique the opposition and can critique the

:10:16.:10:18.

policies we are putting forward, but policies we are putting forward, but

:10:18.:10:19.

policies we are putting forward, but policies we are putting forward, but

:10:19.:10:19.

they also have to put forward an they also have to put forward an

:10:19.:10:20.

they also have to put forward an they also have to put forward an

:10:20.:10:21.

alternative. Do they think this is a alternative. Do they think this is a

:10:21.:10:26.

alternative. Do they think this is a problem that should be tackled?

:10:26.:10:27.

problem that should be tackled? problem that should be tackled?

:10:27.:10:28.

think the housing benefit bill is think the housing benefit bill is

:10:28.:10:29.

think the housing benefit bill is think the housing benefit bill is

:10:29.:10:30.

too high and we want to crack down too high and we want to crack down

:10:30.:10:31.

too high and we want to crack down on rogue landlords because some of

:10:31.:10:32.

on rogue landlords because some of on rogue landlords because some of

:10:32.:10:33.

on rogue landlords because some of these homes are not fit to live in.

:10:33.:10:34.

these homes are not fit to live in. these homes are not fit to live in.

:10:34.:10:35.

these homes are not fit to live in. We would rather see that money spent

:10:35.:10:37.

We would rather see that money spent We would rather see that money spent

:10:37.:10:37.

building affordable housing that we building affordable housing that we

:10:38.:10:40.

building affordable housing that we need for these families. The

:10:40.:10:41.

need for these families. The need for these families. The

:10:41.:10:42.

question is, how many people in question is, how many people in

:10:42.:10:43.

question is, how many people in Wantage will actually move house?

:10:43.:10:45.

Wantage will actually move house? Wantage will actually move house?

:10:45.:10:47.

Wantage will actually move house? People will absorb that �20 a week

:10:47.:10:49.

People will absorb that �20 a week People will absorb that �20 a week

:10:49.:10:50.

extra, and people already struggling extra, and people already struggling

:10:50.:10:50.

extra, and people already struggling extra, and people already struggling

:10:51.:10:51.

to pay their bills and put fuel in to pay their bills and put fuel in

:10:51.:10:52.

to pay their bills and put fuel in to pay their bills and put fuel in

:10:52.:10:53.

their car will have to make tough their car will have to make tough

:10:53.:10:54.

their car will have to make tough their car will have to make tough

:10:54.:10:55.

choices about the food they put on choices about the food they put on

:10:55.:10:59.

choices about the food they put on choices about the food they put on

:10:59.:11:00.

the table for their families. the table for their families.

:11:00.:11:01.

the table for their families. the table for their families.

:11:01.:11:02.

now know that Labour does not want now know that Labour does not want

:11:02.:11:08.

now know that Labour does not want to tackle this issue. We are

:11:09.:11:09.

to tackle this issue. We are to tackle this issue. We are

:11:09.:11:10.

tackling the issue of under tackling the issue of under

:11:10.:11:13.

tackling the issue of under occupancy in homes. It is

:11:13.:11:15.

occupancy in homes. It is occupancy in homes. It is

:11:15.:11:16.

interesting for Westminster what is interesting for Westminster what is

:11:16.:11:18.

interesting for Westminster what is to see Theresa May and Philip

:11:18.:11:20.

to see Theresa May and Philip to see Theresa May and Philip

:11:20.:11:20.

Hammond sitting together. Yes, the Hammond sitting together. Yes, the

:11:21.:11:21.

Hammond sitting together. Yes, the National union of ministers, as

:11:21.:11:28.

National union of ministers, as National union of ministers, as

:11:28.:11:29.

National union of ministers, as Vince cable put it. Mrs May is

:11:29.:11:34.

Vince cable put it. Mrs May is Vince cable put it. Mrs May is

:11:34.:11:35.

positioning herself for a leadership positioning herself for a leadership

:11:35.:11:36.

positioning herself for a leadership future. And there was talk that

:11:36.:11:37.

future. And there was talk that future. And there was talk that

:11:37.:11:39.

Philip Hammond could be her Philip Hammond could be her

:11:39.:11:40.

Philip Hammond could be her Chancellor. We love this sort of

:11:40.:11:42.

Chancellor. We love this sort of Chancellor. We love this sort of

:11:42.:11:43.

stuff. We talked before Prime stuff. We talked before Prime

:11:43.:11:43.

stuff. We talked before Prime Minister's Questions about the level

:11:44.:11:44.

Minister's Questions about the level Minister's Questions about the level

:11:44.:11:47.

of muttering and manoeuvring going of muttering and manoeuvring going

:11:47.:11:48.

of muttering and manoeuvring going of muttering and manoeuvring going

:11:48.:11:49.

of muttering and manoeuvring going on. When you see it over a glass of

:11:49.:11:49.

on. When you see it over a glass of on. When you see it over a glass of

:11:49.:11:52.

on. When you see it over a glass of wine or a cup of coffee and have

:11:52.:11:54.

wine or a cup of coffee and have these conversations, Theresa May's

:11:54.:11:54.

these conversations, Theresa May's these conversations, Theresa May's

:11:55.:11:56.

name comes up as an alternative name comes up as an alternative

:11:56.:11:57.

name comes up as an alternative name comes up as an alternative

:11:57.:11:58.

leader. Those of us who have been in leader. Those of us who have been in

:11:58.:11:59.

leader. Those of us who have been in politics a long time will remember

:11:59.:12:00.

politics a long time will remember politics a long time will remember

:12:00.:12:01.

politics a long time will remember that a lot of people have been

:12:01.:12:02.

that a lot of people have been mentioned as future prime

:12:03.:12:03.

mentioned as future prime mentioned as future prime

:12:03.:12:04.

ministers, who have not really last ministers, who have not really last

:12:04.:12:07.

ministers, who have not really last ministers, who have not really last

:12:07.:12:09.

of the course. But there is no doubt of the course. But there is no doubt

:12:09.:12:10.

of the course. But there is no doubt that Theresa May's stock is high.

:12:10.:12:11.

that Theresa May's stock is high. that Theresa May's stock is high.

:12:11.:12:11.

that Theresa May's stock is high. that Theresa May's stock is high.

:12:12.:12:12.

She is seen as one of the few who She is seen as one of the few who

:12:12.:12:13.

She is seen as one of the few who She is seen as one of the few who

:12:13.:12:15.

managed to fulfil the job at Home managed to fulfil the job at Home

:12:15.:12:16.

managed to fulfil the job at Home Office without dropping the ball.

:12:16.:12:16.

Office without dropping the ball. Office without dropping the ball.

:12:17.:12:17.

Office without dropping the ball. There was a series of Labour Home

:12:17.:12:19.

There was a series of Labour Home There was a series of Labour Home

:12:19.:12:20.

Secretary's who had to resign after Secretary's who had to resign after

:12:20.:12:21.

Secretary's who had to resign after alleged scandals or policy failures,

:12:21.:12:23.

alleged scandals or policy failures, alleged scandals or policy failures,

:12:23.:12:24.

alleged scandals or policy failures, so the fact that she is still there

:12:24.:12:26.

so the fact that she is still there so the fact that she is still there

:12:26.:12:27.

so the fact that she is still there is regarded as a success on the Tory

:12:27.:12:28.

is regarded as a success on the Tory is regarded as a success on the Tory

:12:29.:12:29.

backbenches. So she is fashionable backbenches. So she is fashionable

:12:29.:12:30.

backbenches. So she is fashionable backbenches. So she is fashionable

:12:30.:12:31.

at the moment, and she and Philip at the moment, and she and Philip

:12:31.:12:32.

at the moment, and she and Philip Hammond are among the Cabinet

:12:32.:12:33.

Hammond are among the Cabinet Hammond are among the Cabinet

:12:33.:12:35.

ministers fighting not to have their ministers fighting not to have their

:12:35.:12:35.

ministers fighting not to have their ministers fighting not to have their

:12:36.:12:36.

budgets cut in the latest round of budgets cut in the latest round of

:12:36.:12:42.

budgets cut in the latest round of cuts being negotiated. Ed Vaizey, a

:12:42.:12:43.

cuts being negotiated. Ed Vaizey, a cuts being negotiated. Ed Vaizey, a

:12:43.:12:47.

cuts being negotiated. Ed Vaizey, a lot hangs on this budget. You can't

:12:47.:12:48.

lot hangs on this budget. You can't lot hangs on this budget. You can't

:12:48.:12:49.

afford another shambles. The last afford another shambles. The last

:12:50.:12:51.

afford another shambles. The last afford another shambles. The last

:12:51.:12:51.

budget macro was not a shambles. We budget macro was not a shambles. We

:12:51.:12:55.

budget macro was not a shambles. We budget macro was not a shambles. We

:12:55.:12:55.

are certainly on course. All of the are certainly on course. All of the

:12:55.:12:57.

government reforms are important. government reforms are important.

:12:57.:13:00.

government reforms are important. Welfare reform is in autumn. Talking

:13:00.:13:04.

Welfare reform is in autumn. Talking Welfare reform is in autumn. Talking

:13:04.:13:05.

of Theresa May, her changes are of Theresa May, her changes are

:13:05.:13:07.

of Theresa May, her changes are reducing immigration by a third.

:13:07.:13:08.

reducing immigration by a third. reducing immigration by a third.

:13:08.:13:09.

Philip Hammond is balancing the Philip Hammond is balancing the

:13:09.:13:10.

Philip Hammond is balancing the Philip Hammond is balancing the

:13:10.:13:11.

MoD's budget for the first time in MoD's budget for the first time in

:13:11.:13:12.

MoD's budget for the first time in MoD's budget for the first time in

:13:12.:13:13.

decades. So there is a range of decades. So there is a range of

:13:13.:13:18.

decades. So there is a range of reforms that are long overdue.

:13:18.:13:19.

reforms that are long overdue. reforms that are long overdue.

:13:19.:13:20.

reforms that are long overdue. are people depressed if it is all

:13:20.:13:22.

are people depressed if it is all are people depressed if it is all

:13:22.:13:22.

are people depressed if it is all going so well? I don't know who

:13:22.:13:24.

going so well? I don't know who going so well? I don't know who

:13:25.:13:25.

going so well? I don't know who these people are. You need to go to

:13:25.:13:27.

these people are. You need to go to these people are. You need to go to

:13:27.:13:28.

these people are. You need to go to these people are. You need to go to

:13:28.:13:29.

the tea room. I am always in the tea the tea room. I am always in the tea

:13:29.:13:30.

the tea room. I am always in the tea the tea room. I am always in the tea

:13:30.:13:30.

the tea room. I am always in the tea room, and it is full of joy at what

:13:30.:13:36.

room, and it is full of joy at what room, and it is full of joy at what

:13:36.:13:37.

room, and it is full of joy at what the coalition are doing. One MP said

:13:37.:13:37.

the coalition are doing. One MP said the coalition are doing. One MP said

:13:37.:13:41.

the coalition are doing. One MP said George Osborne should man up.

:13:41.:13:42.

George Osborne should man up. George Osborne should man up.

:13:43.:13:43.

George Osborne should man up. wants to be a cheerleader for the

:13:43.:13:44.

wants to be a cheerleader for the wants to be a cheerleader for the

:13:44.:13:45.

wants to be a cheerleader for the transom and say he is behind him, I

:13:45.:13:47.

transom and say he is behind him, I transom and say he is behind him, I

:13:47.:13:48.

transom and say he is behind him, I will not object. We should not go

:13:48.:13:49.

will not object. We should not go will not object. We should not go

:13:49.:13:52.

without a word for that waistcoat. without a word for that waistcoat.

:13:52.:13:52.

without a word for that waistcoat. without a word for that waistcoat.

:13:53.:13:53.

Do you think all parties should have Do you think all parties should have

:13:53.:13:54.

Do you think all parties should have to wear their own colours?

:13:54.:13:58.

to wear their own colours? to wear their own colours?

:13:59.:13:59.

Waistcoats are wrong. It was not Waistcoats are wrong. It was not

:13:59.:14:00.

Waistcoats are wrong. It was not Waistcoats are wrong. It was not

:14:00.:14:01.

just that it was bright yellow, but just that it was bright yellow, but

:14:01.:14:02.

just that it was bright yellow, but it was just sleeping underneath the

:14:02.:14:08.

it was just sleeping underneath the it was just sleeping underneath the

:14:09.:14:09.

it was just sleeping underneath the lapel. Bob Russell turned up in a

:14:09.:14:12.

lapel. Bob Russell turned up in a lapel. Bob Russell turned up in a

:14:12.:14:15.

Liberal Democrat onesie. I am told Liberal Democrat onesie. I am told

:14:15.:14:17.

Liberal Democrat onesie. I am told his locks matched his waistcoat.

:14:17.:14:17.

his locks matched his waistcoat. his locks matched his waistcoat.

:14:17.:14:25.

Wrong on so many levels. Fashion crime.

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crime. crime.

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crime. After that fashion spot on the Daily

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After that fashion spot on the Daily After that fashion spot on the Daily

:14:30.:14:31.

Politics, at Westminster, it is Politics, at Westminster, it is

:14:31.:14:32.

Politics, at Westminster, it is common or even usual for ministers

:14:32.:14:33.

common or even usual for ministers common or even usual for ministers

:14:33.:14:34.

to play down concerns while and to play down concerns while and

:14:34.:14:35.

to play down concerns while and three tricky questions. But not with

:14:35.:14:40.

three tricky questions. But not with three tricky questions. But not with

:14:40.:14:41.

immigration dash it was cases of immigration dash it was cases of

:14:41.:14:42.

immigration dash it was cases of "Crisis? What crisis?" When Work and

:14:42.:14:42.

"Crisis? What crisis?" When Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan

:14:42.:14:43.

Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan

:14:43.:14:45.

Smith. With concerns about next Smith. With concerns about next

:14:45.:14:45.

Smith. With concerns about next year's inspected influence -- influx

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year's inspected influence -- influx year's inspected influence -- influx

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of Romanians and Bulgarians to the of Romanians and Bulgarians to the

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of Romanians and Bulgarians to the job market and benefit system.

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job market and benefit system. job market and benefit system.

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job market and benefit system. Labour's Frank Field asked him if he

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Labour's Frank Field asked him if he Labour's Frank Field asked him if he

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Labour's Frank Field asked him if he agreed there was a crisis. There is

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agreed there was a crisis. There is agreed there was a crisis. There is

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agreed there was a crisis. There is a crisis over this. For the last two

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a crisis over this. For the last two a crisis over this. For the last two

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years, I have been fighting a years, I have been fighting a

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years, I have been fighting a rearguard action over what was left

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rearguard action over what was left rearguard action over what was left

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rearguard action over what was left to me by the last government. It is

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to me by the last government. It is to me by the last government. It is

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to me by the last government. It is all right for them to moan, but

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all right for them to moan, but all right for them to moan, but

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all right for them to moan, but let's put the facts as they are. I

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let's put the facts as they are. I let's put the facts as they are. I

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inherited a habitual residency test inherited a habitual residency test

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inherited a habitual residency test inherited a habitual residency test

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would simply is not fit for purpose. would simply is not fit for purpose.

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would simply is not fit for purpose. Tonight in a party political

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Tonight in a party political Tonight in a party political

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broadcast, Ed Miliband will it that broadcast, Ed Miliband will it that

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broadcast, Ed Miliband will it that Labour made the stakes on

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Labour made the stakes on Labour made the stakes on

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immigration. Since I became leader immigration. Since I became leader

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immigration. Since I became leader of the Labour Party, I have

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of the Labour Party, I have of the Labour Party, I have

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understood where we got things wrong understood where we got things wrong

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understood where we got things wrong in government and changed. One of

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in government and changed. One of in government and changed. One of

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in government and changed. One of the things we did not get was

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the things we did not get was the things we did not get was

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the things we did not get was immigration. That is why I have got

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immigration. That is why I have got immigration. That is why I have got

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a new approach. Millions in this a new approach. Millions in this

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country are concerned about country are concerned about

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immigration. If people are immigration. If people are

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immigration. If people are concerned, the Labour Party will

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concerned, the Labour Party will concerned, the Labour Party will

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concerned, the Labour Party will talk about it. What did you do wrong

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talk about it. What did you do wrong talk about it. What did you do wrong

:15:47.:15:51.

about immigration when in power? about immigration when in power?

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about immigration when in power? about immigration when in power?

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were wrong to shy away from talking were wrong to shy away from talking

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were wrong to shy away from talking about it. Diversity benefits our

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about it. Diversity benefits our about it. Diversity benefits our

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about it. Diversity benefits our country, but we have to make sure it

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country, but we have to make sure it country, but we have to make sure it

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benefits everybody. On the accession benefits everybody. On the accession

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benefits everybody. On the accession of ammonia and Bulgaria are we

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of ammonia and Bulgaria are we of ammonia and Bulgaria are we

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putting maximum controls in 2007. putting maximum controls in 2007.

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putting maximum controls in 2007. Those controls finished on the 1st

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Those controls finished on the 1st Those controls finished on the 1st

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of January 2014. But people are of January 2014. But people are

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of January 2014. But people are already working in this country.

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already working in this country. you apologising forgetting the

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you apologising forgetting the you apologising forgetting the

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you apologising forgetting the policy wrong while in power? We were

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policy wrong while in power? We were policy wrong while in power? We were

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too late to introduce the points too late to introduce the points

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too late to introduce the points -based system. We think low skilled

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-based system. We think low skilled -based system. We think low skilled

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-based system. We think low skilled immigration is too high. We want to

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immigration is too high. We want to immigration is too high. We want to

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immigration is too high. We want to make sure we get the skills the

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make sure we get the skills the make sure we get the skills the

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country needs, while cutting out low country needs, while cutting out low

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country needs, while cutting out low skilled migration which can impact

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skilled migration which can impact skilled migration which can impact

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skilled migration which can impact on communities. We want to make sure

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on communities. We want to make sure on communities. We want to make sure

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on communities. We want to make sure it does not depress wages. So you

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it does not depress wages. So you it does not depress wages. So you

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it does not depress wages. So you let too many people in? Well, until

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let too many people in? Well, until let too many people in? Well, until

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2008, the economy was growing and 2008, the economy was growing and

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2008, the economy was growing and large numbers of people came into

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large numbers of people came into this country. They predominantly,

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this country. They predominantly, this country. They predominantly,

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this country. They predominantly, not to claim benefits, but to work.

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not to claim benefits, but to work. not to claim benefits, but to work.

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not to claim benefits, but to work. Did you let too many people in?

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Did you let too many people in? Did you let too many people in?

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Did you let too many people in? There is a query about how many

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There is a query about how many There is a query about how many

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There is a query about how many people came in with the first round

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people came in with the first round people came in with the first round

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of increased accession from Europe. of increased accession from Europe.

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of increased accession from Europe. of increased accession from Europe.

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We did not expect that many people, We did not expect that many people,

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We did not expect that many people, We did not expect that many people,

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which was why we put in the which was why we put in the

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which was why we put in the transitional controls. But it is a

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transitional controls. But it is a transitional controls. But it is a

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simple question. Did you let too simple question. Did you let too

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simple question. Did you let too many people in? For the next

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many people in? For the next many people in? For the next

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many people in? For the next election, this is a big issue...

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election, this is a big issue... election, this is a big issue...

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am not talking about the next am not talking about the next

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am not talking about the next am not talking about the next

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election. I don't know what you are election. I don't know what you are

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election. I don't know what you are apologising for. Are you apologising

:17:47.:17:48.

apologising for. Are you apologising apologising for. Are you apologising

:17:48.:17:51.

apologising for. Are you apologising for letting too many people in?

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for letting too many people in? for letting too many people in?

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are saying that our inability to are saying that our inability to

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are saying that our inability to are saying that our inability to

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talk to people about the sort of talk to people about the sort of

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talk to people about the sort of migration and our inability to

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migration and our inability to migration and our inability to

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listen to what they were saying listen to what they were saying

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listen to what they were saying about the impacts of migration on

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about the impacts of migration on about the impacts of migration on

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the ground was wrong. We welcome the ground was wrong. We welcome

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the ground was wrong. We welcome the ground was wrong. We welcome

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people into our country who want to people into our country who want to

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people into our country who want to people into our country who want to

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work, but some of issues that came work, but some of issues that came

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work, but some of issues that came work, but some of issues that came

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with that large influx of April from with that large influx of April from

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with that large influx of April from Eastern Europe had lasting impacts

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Eastern Europe had lasting impacts Eastern Europe had lasting impacts

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Eastern Europe had lasting impacts on our country. So the policy was

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on our country. So the policy was on our country. So the policy was

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right, but you are apologising right, but you are apologising

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right, but you are apologising right, but you are apologising

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because you did not talk to people? because you did not talk to people?

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because you did not talk to people? because you did not talk to people?

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We are not saying the policy was We are not saying the policy was

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We are not saying the policy was right, but having an open door

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right, but having an open door right, but having an open door

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policy, we underestimated the impact policy, we underestimated the impact

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policy, we underestimated the impact on our communities of large numbers

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on our communities of large numbers on our communities of large numbers

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on our communities of large numbers of people coming in will stop we

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of people coming in will stop we of people coming in will stop we

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of people coming in will stop we want to put that right. That is why

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want to put that right. That is why want to put that right. That is why

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we put in transitional controls for we put in transitional controls for

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we put in transitional controls for Bulgaria and Romania. But that only

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Bulgaria and Romania. But that only Bulgaria and Romania. But that only

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delays things. In the end, the delays things. In the end, the

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delays things. In the end, the transitional controls come to an

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transitional controls come to an transitional controls come to an

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transitional controls come to an end. You said you did not understand

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end. You said you did not understand end. You said you did not understand

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end. You said you did not understand end. You said you did not understand

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the impact. If it is a bad impact, I the impact. If it is a bad impact, I

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the impact. If it is a bad impact, I the impact. If it is a bad impact, I

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the impact. If it is a bad impact, I am not sure it was, but if it was a

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am not sure it was, but if it was a am not sure it was, but if it was a

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bad impact on certain sections of bad impact on certain sections of

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bad impact on certain sections of society, these were Labour voting

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society, these were Labour voting society, these were Labour voting

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society, these were Labour voting people on the wrong end of this. So

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people on the wrong end of this. So people on the wrong end of this. So

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why did you not understand the why did you not understand the

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why did you not understand the why did you not understand the

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impact this would have on your own impact this would have on your own

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impact this would have on your own impact this would have on your own

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people? It is hard. The economy was people? It is hard. The economy was

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going until 2008. Migrants going until 2008. Migrants

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going until 2008. Migrants contributed to that growth.

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contributed to that growth. contributed to that growth.

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overall in 2008, everything was overall in 2008, everything was

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overall in 2008, everything was fine? There were issues are around

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fine? There were issues are around fine? There were issues are around

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bogus colleges bringing people in. bogus colleges bringing people in.

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bogus colleges bringing people in. We supported changes the government

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We supported changes the government We supported changes the government

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We supported changes the government has made on that. We do not support

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has made on that. We do not support has made on that. We do not support

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has made on that. We do not support them on this issue of the net

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them on this issue of the net them on this issue of the net

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migration cap because that is about migration cap because that is about

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migration cap because that is about making sure people leave our

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making sure people leave our making sure people leave our

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country. You are depending on them country. You are depending on them

:19:35.:19:37.

country. You are depending on them leaving rather than coming in.

:19:37.:19:38.

leaving rather than coming in. leaving rather than coming in.

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a future Labour government attempt a future Labour government attempt

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a future Labour government attempt a future Labour government attempt

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to cut the number of people coming to cut the number of people coming

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to cut the number of people coming to cut the number of people coming

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in? We are working on a policy on in? We are working on a policy on

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in? We are working on a policy on in? We are working on a policy on

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that at the moment. We want high that at the moment. We want high

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that at the moment. We want high skilled migration. The UK research

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skilled migration. The UK research skilled migration. The UK research

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skilled migration. The UK research Council has seen a huge drop in the

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Council has seen a huge drop in the Council has seen a huge drop in the

:19:53.:19:54.

number of graduates from China and number of graduates from China and

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number of graduates from China and number of graduates from China and

:19:55.:19:57.

India wanting to come and study with India wanting to come and study with

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India wanting to come and study with us. That has implications for

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us. That has implications for us. That has implications for

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us. That has implications for economy. So Labour want to leave out

:20:01.:20:04.

economy. So Labour want to leave out economy. So Labour want to leave out

:20:04.:20:06.

the poorer people and keep the the poorer people and keep the

:20:06.:20:07.

the poorer people and keep the the poorer people and keep the

:20:07.:20:08.

richer people? It is not about that. richer people? It is not about that.

:20:08.:20:09.

richer people? It is not about that. richer people? It is not about that.

:20:09.:20:09.

We want to make sure British people We want to make sure British people

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Now the fact is for all the words Now the fact is for all the words

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Now the fact is for all the words coming out from the Government,

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coming out from the Government, coming out from the Government,

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coming out from the Government, there is nothing you can do under

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there is nothing you can do under there is nothing you can do under

:20:38.:20:41.

European law to stop whoever from European law to stop whoever from

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European law to stop whoever from Romania or Bulgaria to come here,

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Romania or Bulgaria to come here, correct? We have reduced

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correct? We have reduced immigration by a third.

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immigration by a third. immigration by a third.

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Well, you have reduced net Well, you have reduced net

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immigration? That's something we immigration? That's something we

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immigration? That's something we immigration? That's something we

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have done since we came into power. have done since we came into power.

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have done since we came into power. have done since we came into power.

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But there is nothing you can do But there is nothing you can do

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But there is nothing you can do with the Bulgarians or the Romaine

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with the Bulgarians or the Romaine with the Bulgarians or the Romaine

:21:07.:21:08.

Romanians coming in? Bulgarians are Romanians coming in? Bulgarians are

:21:08.:21:09.

entitled to work here. entitled to work here.

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entitled to work here. entitled to work here.

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Then it is an open door. That's the Then it is an open door. That's the

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Then it is an open door. That's the issue that Iain Duncan Smith is

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issue that Iain Duncan Smith is issue that Iain Duncan Smith is

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issue that Iain Duncan Smith is trying to address and as he said

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trying to address and as he said yesterday, other European countries

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yesterday, other European countries yesterday, other European countries

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yesterday, other European countries are waking up to this. Germany, the

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are waking up to this. Germany, the are waking up to this. Germany, the

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German minister, if you want to German minister, if you want to

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German minister, if you want to German minister, if you want to

:21:25.:21:26.

come to work in the UK, come and come to work in the UK, come and

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come to work in the UK, come and come to work in the UK, come and

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come to work in the UK, come and work in the UK or come and work in

:21:28.:21:29.

work in the UK or come and work in work in the UK or come and work in

:21:29.:21:31.

Germany, don't come here if you Germany, don't come here if you

:21:31.:21:34.

Germany, don't come here if you want to access our benefits system.

:21:34.:21:36.

want to access our benefits system. want to access our benefits system.

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The Bulgarian or the Romanian who The Bulgarian or the Romanian who

:21:39.:21:40.

The Bulgarian or the Romanian who The Bulgarian or the Romanian who

:21:40.:21:40.

want to come here to work, they can want to come here to work, they can

:21:40.:21:42.

want to come here to work, they can want to come here to work, they can

:21:42.:21:43.

do so and there is nothing you can do so and there is nothing you can

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do so and there is nothing you can do. If the Government tightens up

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do. If the Government tightens up do. If the Government tightens up

:21:46.:21:48.

the ability of these new immigrants the ability of these new immigrants

:21:48.:21:50.

the ability of these new immigrants to get welfare benefits, will you

:21:50.:21:52.

to get welfare benefits, will you to get welfare benefits, will you

:21:52.:21:52.

to get welfare benefits, will you support this Well, we have to see

:21:52.:21:53.

support this Well, we have to see support this Well, we have to see

:21:54.:21:54.

what Government comes up. We are what Government comes up. We are

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what Government comes up. We are what Government comes up. We are

:21:56.:21:56.

nine months away from this. Do you nine months away from this. Do you

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nine months away from this. Do you think it should be tighten? What

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think it should be tighten? What think it should be tighten? What

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think it should be tighten? What are they? You can't ask me to talk

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are they? You can't ask me to talk are they? You can't ask me to talk

:22:01.:22:06.

about in principle when we don't about in principle when we don't

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about in principle when we don't about in principle when we don't

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know what - in principle... We had know what - in principle... We had

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know what - in principle... We had too many people come into the

:22:09.:22:13.

too many people come into the too many people come into the

:22:13.:22:15.

country when Labour were in power. country when Labour were in power.

:22:15.:22:16.

country when Labour were in power. country when Labour were in power.

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In principle it is the right thing In principle it is the right thing

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In principle it is the right thing to do. However, what has been

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to do. However, what has been to do. However, what has been

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floated is about capping or floated is about capping or

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restrigging people's -- restricting restrigging people's -- restricting

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restrigging people's -- restricting people's ability to access those

:22:25.:22:29.

people's ability to access those people's ability to access those

:22:29.:22:30.

services. Labour can critique what services. Labour can critique what

:22:30.:22:33.

changes we bring in. changes we bring in.

:22:33.:22:33.

changes we bring in. We have got the Immigration

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We have got the Immigration We have got the Immigration

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Minister on tomorrow. Yes, I think Minister on tomorrow. Yes, I think

:22:36.:22:36.

we have tomorrow. we have tomorrow.

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we have tomorrow. we have tomorrow.

:22:37.:22:38.

I have got news from the Commons. I have got news from the Commons.

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I have got news from the Commons. It is from the Foreign Secretary,

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It is from the Foreign Secretary, It is from the Foreign Secretary,

:22:41.:22:41.

William Hague. Yesterday we were William Hague. Yesterday we were

:22:41.:22:43.

William Hague. Yesterday we were William Hague. Yesterday we were

:22:43.:22:44.

talk being Syria and the UK is to talk being Syria and the UK is to

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talk being Syria and the UK is to supply armoured vehicles and body

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supply armoured vehicles and body supply armoured vehicles and body

:22:47.:22:47.

armour to Syrian opposition forces armour to Syrian opposition forces

:22:47.:22:49.

armour to Syrian opposition forces armour to Syrian opposition forces

:22:49.:22:51.

armour to Syrian opposition forces in a bid to end a crisis that what

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in a bid to end a crisis that what in a bid to end a crisis that what

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reached -- that has reached... reached -- that has reached...

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reached -- that has reached... Armoured vehicles? You know William

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Armoured vehicles? You know William Armoured vehicles? You know William

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Hague hadn't ruled out out whether Hague hadn't ruled out out whether

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Hague hadn't ruled out out whether Hague hadn't ruled out out whether

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or not Britain would arm the Syrian or not Britain would arm the Syrian

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or not Britain would arm the Syrian opposition. I understand John Carey

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opposition. I understand John Carey opposition. I understand John Carey

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opposition. I understand John Carey ruled that out in America. I don't

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ruled that out in America. I don't ruled that out in America. I don't

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know if that policy is changing, know if that policy is changing,

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know if that policy is changing, but that's from the Commons.

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but that's from the Commons. but that's from the Commons.

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but that's from the Commons. Now, beauty is in the eye of the

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Now, beauty is in the eye of the Now, beauty is in the eye of the

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beholder. Our guest of the day, beholder. Our guest of the day,

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beholder. Our guest of the day, Arts Minister, Ed Vaizey, is

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Arts Minister, Ed Vaizey, is Arts Minister, Ed Vaizey, is

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Arts Minister, Ed Vaizey, is reported to be a fan. He listed a

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reported to be a fan. He listed a reported to be a fan. He listed a

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few, not Press Preston Bus Station few, not Press Preston Bus Station

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few, not Press Preston Bus Station few, not Press Preston Bus Station

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so should it be saved saved from so should it be saved saved from

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the wrecker's ball? the wrecker's ball?

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the wrecker's ball? the wrecker's ball?

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Preston Bus Stakes has been the -- Preston Bus Stakes has been the --

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Preston Bus Stakes has been the -- Station has been the controversial

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Station has been the controversial Station has been the controversial

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Station has been the controversial issue for over a decade. Most of

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issue for over a decade. Most of issue for over a decade. Most of

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the councillors want to demolish the councillors want to demolish

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the councillors want to demolish the building. I have been

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the building. I have been the building. I have been

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campaigning for many years now to campaigning for many years now to

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campaigning for many years now to campaigning for many years now to

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save it. The bus station built in save it. The bus station built in

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save it. The bus station built in save it. The bus station built in

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1969 stands alone and proud. It is 1969 stands alone and proud. It is

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1969 stands alone and proud. It is a unique and iconic building.

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a unique and iconic building. a unique and iconic building.

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a unique and iconic building. It has been tagged as a brutalistic

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It has been tagged as a brutalistic It has been tagged as a brutalistic

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It has been tagged as a brutalistic building, but I have never seen it

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building, but I have never seen it building, but I have never seen it

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building, but I have never seen it in that light. It has a gentle,

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in that light. It has a gentle, in that light. It has a gentle,

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sweeping look about it with the sweeping look about it with the

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sweeping look about it with the ramps and the circular areas, the

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ramps and the circular areas, the ramps and the circular areas, the

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ramps and the circular areas, the the long curves to the car deck. It

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the long curves to the car deck. It the long curves to the car deck. It

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the long curves to the car deck. It gives it a distin elegance. It has

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gives it a distin elegance. It has architectural merit. Even the

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architectural merit. Even the architectural merit. Even the

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tiling and the floor. The tiling and the floor. The

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tiling and the floor. The workmanship is second to none. The

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workmanship is second to none. The workmanship is second to none. The

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building works as it was designed building works as it was designed

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building works as it was designed to do. There is approximately

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to do. There is approximately to do. There is approximately

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50,000 passengers a day and that's 50,000 passengers a day and that's

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50,000 passengers a day and that's 50,000 passengers a day and that's

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the council's figures and I am not the council's figures and I am not

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the council's figures and I am not the council's figures and I am not

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making that up. There is a bus making that up. There is a bus

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making that up. There is a bus making that up. There is a bus

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every minute coming in or going out, every minute coming in or going out,

:24:45.:24:46.

every minute coming in or going out, buses arrive from London, Scotland

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buses arrive from London, Scotland buses arrive from London, Scotland

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buses arrive from London, Scotland and all over the UK. The arguments

:24:54.:24:55.

and all over the UK. The arguments and all over the UK. The arguments

:24:55.:24:55.

and all over the UK. The arguments are the building is in the wrong

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are the building is in the wrong are the building is in the wrong

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place, it has concrete decay, all place, it has concrete decay, all

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place, it has concrete decay, all of that is unfounded because the

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of that is unfounded because the of that is unfounded because the

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engineer's report said the building engineer's report said the building

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can be repaired. can be repaired.

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can be repaired. We have been campaigning now for

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We have been campaigning now for We have been campaigning now for

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ten years to save Preston Bus ten years to save Preston Bus

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ten years to save Preston Bus Station. We are looking for English

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Station. We are looking for English Station. We are looking for English

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Heritage to recommend we achieve Heritage to recommend we achieve

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Heritage to recommend we achieve listed status and that should

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listed status and that should listed status and that should

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preserve the bus station for future generations.

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generations. generations.

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John will John Wilson there in John will John Wilson there in

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John will John Wilson there in Preston. We are joined by Angela

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Preston. We are joined by Angela Preston. We are joined by Angela

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Brady. Ed Vaizey will you grant Brady. Ed Vaizey will you grant

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Brady. Ed Vaizey will you grant listed status to Preston bust

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listed status to Preston bust listed status to Preston bust

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Station? -- Preston Bus Station? Station? -- Preston Bus Station?

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Station? -- Preston Bus Station? Well, I I haven't received an

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Well, I I haven't received an Well, I I haven't received an

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application. You can consider it application. You can consider it

:25:49.:25:49.

application. You can consider it application. You can consider it

:25:50.:25:51.

quickly. You can tell us at the end. quickly. You can tell us at the end.

:25:51.:25:53.

quickly. You can tell us at the end. quickly. You can tell us at the end.

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What do you think of Preston Bus What do you think of Preston Bus

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What do you think of Preston Bus What do you think of Preston Bus

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Station? I won't say what I think. Station? I won't say what I think.

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Station? I won't say what I think. You are a fan of post-war

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You are a fan of post-war architecture? Preston Bus Station,

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architecture? Preston Bus Station, architecture? Preston Bus Station,

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the question is whether it should the question is whether it should

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the question is whether it should be listed which is a different

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be listed which is a different be listed which is a different

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be listed which is a different question. It would be wrong of me

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question. It would be wrong of me question. It would be wrong of me

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to express any opinion because I to express any opinion because I

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to express any opinion because I to express any opinion because I

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don't have one. I am waiting to see don't have one. I am waiting to see

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don't have one. I am waiting to see don't have one. I am waiting to see

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if there is an application to list if there is an application to list

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if there is an application to list if there is an application to list

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if there is an application to list it and I will I will consider it in

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it and I will I will consider it in the proper way.

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the proper way. the proper way.

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Is there going to be an Is there going to be an

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application? There is, indeed. application? There is, indeed.

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application? There is, indeed. application? There is, indeed.

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There has been in the past and Ed There has been in the past and Ed

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There has been in the past and Ed you would spot list this today.

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you would spot list this today. you would spot list this today.

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you would spot list this today. Preston is iconic. It is a 1969

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Preston is iconic. It is a 1969 Preston is iconic. It is a 1969

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Preston is iconic. It is a 1969 building of its time and I don't

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building of its time and I don't building of its time and I don't

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building of its time and I don't believe we can demolish it. It is a

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believe we can demolish it. It is a believe we can demolish it. It is a

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very much loved building in Preston very much loved building in Preston

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very much loved building in Preston very much loved building in Preston

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and 75% of people there want to keep it.

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keep it. keep it.

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keep it. Some might say it is ugly. It looks

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Some might say it is ugly. It looks Some might say it is ugly. It looks

:26:46.:26:48.

like a concrete carbuncle and we like a concrete carbuncle and we

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like a concrete carbuncle and we like a concrete carbuncle and we

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don't want to have to find find �16 don't want to have to find find �16

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don't want to have to find find �16 million? It does need repair work

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million? It does need repair work million? It does need repair work

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there, is true. Listing is nothing there, is true. Listing is nothing

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there, is true. Listing is nothing there, is true. Listing is nothing

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to do with money. It is about the to do with money. It is about the

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to do with money. It is about the quality of the architecture and the

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quality of the architecture and the quality of the architecture and the

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historic value. That's the two historic value. That's the two

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historic value. That's the two historic value. That's the two

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things that Ed Vaizey and team team things that Ed Vaizey and team team

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things that Ed Vaizey and team team things that Ed Vaizey and team team

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looking at. Yes, it does need money looking at. Yes, it does need money

:27:15.:27:16.

looking at. Yes, it does need money looking at. Yes, it does need money

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money spent on T it deserves the money spent on T it deserves the

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money spent on T it deserves the respect we should give it.

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respect we should give it. respect we should give it.

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respect we should give it. Let's have a look time to look at

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Let's have a look time to look at Let's have a look time to look at

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the other post-war buildings that the other post-war buildings that

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the other post-war buildings that have been listed? Those four have

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have been listed? Those four have have been listed? Those four have

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been listed. Could you see, Ed been listed. Could you see, Ed

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been listed. Could you see, Ed Vaizey, Preston Bus Station joining

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Vaizey, Preston Bus Station joining Vaizey, Preston Bus Station joining

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Vaizey, Preston Bus Station joining that group? I will have to consider

:27:37.:27:39.

that group? I will have to consider that group? I will have to consider

:27:39.:27:41.

the application with an open mind, the application with an open mind,

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the application with an open mind, the application with an open mind,

:27:42.:27:42.

the application with an open mind, Jo. I don't know if I can see it

:27:42.:27:43.

Jo. I don't know if I can see it Jo. I don't know if I can see it

:27:43.:27:44.

joining that group or not. joining that group or not.

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joining that group or not. joining that group or not.

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Do you think it is a concrete Do you think it is a concrete

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Do you think it is a concrete carbuncle or having listened to

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carbuncle or having listened to carbuncle or having listened to

:27:50.:27:53.

Angela say it is an iconic Angela say it is an iconic

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Angela say it is an iconic building? Both sides of the

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building? Both sides of the building? Both sides of the

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argument has to be heard those argument has to be heard those

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argument has to be heard those passionate about saving Preston Bus

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passionate about saving Preston Bus passionate about saving Preston Bus

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Station and those who think there Station and those who think there

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are better opportunities. are better opportunities.

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are better opportunities. are better opportunities.

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Take Preston Bus Station out of the Take Preston Bus Station out of the

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equation. You like that equation. You like that

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architecture? Well, I received architecture? Well, I received

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architecture? Well, I received architecture? Well, I received

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advice they should be listed so I advice they should be listed so I

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follow that advice. follow that advice.

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follow that advice. follow that advice.

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Do you like them? Well, I like modern architecture.

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modern architecture. modern architecture.

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You should become a lawyer, Jo! You should become a lawyer, Jo!

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You should become a lawyer, Jo! The winner was victor Lee from

:28:25.:28:27.

The winner was victor Lee from The winner was victor Lee from

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Southend. Well done, victor, you Southend. Well done, victor, you

:28:27.:28:29.

get the mug! get the mug!

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get the mug! I have got to say goodbye.

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I have got to say goodbye. I have got to say goodbye.

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Otherwise I will judicially review Otherwise I will judicially review

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Otherwise I will judicially review you. Thank you, Mary, Ed.

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you. Thank you, Mary, Ed. you. Thank you, Mary, Ed.

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The One O'Clock News is starting The One O'Clock News is starting

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The One O'Clock News is starting The One O'Clock News is starting

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over on BBC One. We will be back over on BBC One. We will be back

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over on BBC One. We will be back over on BBC One. We will be back

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tomorrow. We will be joined by Alan tomorrow. We will be joined by Alan

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tomorrow. We will be joined by Alan Johnston, join us then. Well done,

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Johnston, join us then. Well done, Johnston, join us then. Well done,

:28:52.:28:53.

Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn are joined by culture minister Ed Vaizey and shadow environment secretary Mary Creagh to discuss government spending plans as well as all of today's other political news, interviews and debate.

The Guess the Year competition closes at 12.30pm during the live broadcast of this programme.


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