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Daily Politics. The NHS - free at the point of delivery, but not if


you're a foreigner. It is not the international health service! The


Government consults on charging non-EU nationals for going to the


doctor. It's usually David Cameron and his


MPs who are in a bit a bother over Europe, now Ed Miliband has his own


euro-woes over whether to hold an in-out referendum.


And the two men will take each other in PMQs - we'll bring you that live


at midday. You have an idealistic view of the world. The problem is


you sound like a 1980s alternative comedian. It is hilarious, in many


years that many respects. Taking on the mantle of Ben Elton does not


help anyone. You sound like a Tory politician.


And the fall-out from yesterday's row between the Labour MP and the


Labour blogger. That was great television yesterday! It really was!


I was trying hard not to smile. All that coming up in less time than


it takes to knock a top seed out of Wimbledon. And on centre court here


in SW1 - and with us for the duration - Westminster's finest


mixed doubles pairing. The Shadow Europe Minister Emma Reynolds and


the health minister Dr Dan Poulter. Welcome to the programme. First, who


should have the right to free treatment on the NHS? The Government


is launching a consultation today on how to restrict foreigners' access


to hospitals and doctors surgeries. JoCo has all the details.


Yes, that's right. Under the proposals, non-EU nationals who come


to the UK for more than six months could be charged at least �200 a


year to access NHS treatment. More than 270,000 migrants came to study


and work in Britain last year from outside the EU, who are likely to be


affected by the levy. The Department of Health said the cost of treating


foreigners is at least �30 million a year for the NHS in England alone.


However, doctors have claimed the move would turn surgeries into


border posts. And Dr Clare Gerada, the chairwoman of the Royal College


of GPs, said �30 million was the equivalent of just two hours of the


NHS's annual spending. So, why should doctors be border


control agents? That is not the case, and it would not be the case


that doctors would have to refuse treatment for patients, that would


never happen in the NHS. But we want to introduce a system which make


sure that the money that we put into the NHS as a government is bent on


British patients, just as when we travel overseas we have to take out


health insurance or make sure that we are provided for with health


care, we believe it is right that people who come here as tourists or


students should make provision for the cost of their own health care.


How would a doctor know if somebody had paid the levy? We have people on


long stays, people coming here as students. As a condition of the


students reason we could put the levy down or make sure that some


that he had health insurance. would not get in if they did not pay


the levy or have health insurance? This is what the consultation is


about. If you want to come here and study, and foreign students pay full


tuition fees, so it will not be a deterrent, an extra couple of


hundreds of pounds... You could throw in the health care if they are


paying through the nose for their fees! If you went anywhere overseas,


you would have to pay for health care. In the NHS, we need to make


sure that many in this country goes on British patients. Don't we want


more students to come here and pay full fees? Students are usually


pretty healthy anyway, why not just throw in the cost of the health care


and get even more coming and paying �12,000 a year, sometimes �15,000?


It is not a barrier for students coming here. They are already paying


many thousands of pounds. Making sure we have a levy which covers the


NHS and make sure that local patients are not shortchanged has to


be the right thing. How big a problem is health to resign? I think


you'll estimate was on the conservative side. It could be �200


million a year, which is a lot of money which should be going to


support British patients. We know there is money... We have not been


very good in some parts of the country at recouping money from EU


migrants. Other countries are better at that. In terms of more general


health tourism, at the minute we don't have any system for properly


tracking who is accessing the NHS. People are given an NHS number and


right to access when they turn up. We don't know the full cost, which


is why it could be up to �200 million. Your boss, Jeremy Hunt,


said the NHS is owed �12 million from foreigners. That is a figure


that we know there is money from the EU migrants... There is meant to be


a money transfer. Why don't you get that before you do anything else?


are cracking down on that and making sure that we deal with it more


effectively. We have inherited a system which did not do anything


like this. In the last three years we have put measures in place, local


hospitals are getting better at recouping the money than they were.


There is a problem at some hospitals need to do more, that is why we are


having a drive on the EU side as well. But the big focus needs to be


on people from outside of the EU coming in, potentially costing up to


�200 million a year. That is what we need to focus on, taking sure


British patients are not shortchanged. If these people can't


afford to see a doctor or decide they have been put off, they could


be carrying diseases that we could all end up getting? The point is


that this system operates in every other country that we may visit. The


point is that people are coming into this country. If they need emergency


treatment, that would always be provided. Doctors will always


provide emergency treatment, but we need to make sure we recoup the


cost. To recharge for emergency treatment? At the moment, in the


system from the Labour Government, we do not charge of almost any


treatment. If they end up in A&E, they will get that free at the point


of use, but will they subsequently be charged? Initially there was a


distinction the previous government brought in on what was emergency and


what was non-emergency. That has become increasingly blurred. What


would you do? It was blurred because it sums it presents with TB, which


may be secondary to HIV, there would be other complications of illness


that develop. The definition of emergency treatment has been widened


and widened and widened further. There needs to be a more clear


definition and consultation between immediate life-saving treatment and


treatment which is more routine, day-to-day care and treatment. We


have to look into this and make sure we get the money back. What is


Labour's position? We will consider these proposals. We agree with the


principle, migrants who come in and use the health service should not be


able to use it for free. The NHS is a national health this, not an


international health service. We certainly agree. But we need to get


a little bit of perspective. The Health Secretary has tried to blame


foreign migrant workers who come before that who come here for the


A&E crisis. I thought he was blaming the doctors contract? A contract


which came in in 2003 is responsible... The principle... ? It


I think it is workable. If you are not a British citizen, you are not


paying taxes as a student and so on, you leave again, you should pay for


your health care? The NHS should be better and more effective at


recouping the cost. You don't think it is an foe began stigmatising


foreigners? I don't think so. I'd like to see more foreign students. I


think it is a great shame that the immigration figures, that the Tory


led government have been putting downward pressure on students coming


here. The rest of the world want foreign students. But some of them


are going to the dodgy foreign language schools, which you allowed


to fester. When Diane Sabot -- Diane Abbott said, what price, xenophobia?


She is your shadow public health spokesman. She is wrong? You just


said you did not think it was xenophobic or stigmatising? I don't


think the principle of recouping the cost is xenophobic... She does.I


think she is referring to the fact that there have been some


Conservative MPs who have tried to blame this issue for other crises.


She was reacting immediately in the aftermath of Jeremy Hunt's interview


this morning, outlining the policy that our other guests just has. I


agree that you should recoup the cost. And she doesn't. The Shadow


Public Health Minister, the first time she has been quoted since she


left This Week, said, what price xenophobia? Stigmatising foreigners


accessing NHS creates a public health risk. That would seem to be


an attack on the policy. There is a public health risk which you have


underlined, people could need treatment for TB and other diseases,


and if untreated, they could infect other people. How long is the


consultation period? It will go into the autumn. There should be


something later in the year. Should we chalk one up for UKIP?


On Friday the European Union Referendum Bill has its second


reading in the House of Commons. The private member's bill, which is


backed by the Conservative leadership, seeks to commit the


Government to a referendum on Britain's memberbership of the EU in


2017, after a renegotiation of powers. And it poses a condundrum


for Labour leader Ed Miliband. Here's Jo with more.


Everyone knows that David Cameron has problems with Euro rebels.


Splits in the Tory Party over Europe are almost what we've come to


expect. But there's also a growing question about what Labour should do


about Europe. Ed Miliband could face problems of his own, with competing


factions in his party backing different strategies. On Friday, MPs


have their first chance to vote on the Conservative Referendum Bill.


Labour complain the Bill is a Tory stunt, and whips have told


backbenchers not to bother turning up unless they're prepared to make a


supportive speech on Labour's position. But some in his party want


Miliband to commit to his own referendum. One plan is to promise a


vote within six months of the next election - well, before the Tories'


2017 timetable. There's even a radical option of demanding a


referendum before the election. It could be Labour - rather than the


Conservatives, for a change - who look to be most split on Europe. One


of the Labour MPs in favour of a referendum is John Cryer, and he


joins us live from Central Lobby now. John, when would you like the


in-out referendum? As soon as possible. You have to have this


decision got out of the way. There have been an awful lot of changes to


the European constitution and to our Constitution which have shifted


powers to Brussels. Nobody has had a say since 1975, and it is about time


they did. We should have a referendum as soon as possible.


in the minority in your party? wanting a referendum as soon as


possible, probably, but I think a growing number think it would be a


good idea. Even the euro supporters think the divide between Parliament


and the people is just unsustainable. The majority of them,


including Tories, are reasonably happy with the EU, or staying inside


the EU. Amongst voters, it is the other way round. You can't sustain


that. On Friday, will you vote with the Conservatives in defiance of


your whips? No. I will not turn up and vote, I will abstain. I think


the bill is a con, it has clearly been hatched by the Tory leadership.


It would give us a referendum on four or five years. In the meantime,


the Prime Minister says he will renegotiate membership. We all know,


including the Conservatives, that that will not happen. He will not


get any substantive powers back. I don't know why he doesn't have a


referendum as soon as possible. Ed Miliband change direction? How


likely is it that Labour could call for a referendum ahead of the


election? I suppose the bill could be amended to bring the date


forward, which I think would be a good thing. Your original question


was Will the Labour Party change its position? In my view, I think we


will. I am one of those who has said all along, even before David Cameron


made his original announcement, that we should be calling for a


referendum, and we should be promising that we will have one


after the next election, should we win power. Have you any support in


the shadow cabinet? I don't know. I don't go around canvassing opinion.


Maybe I should. I understand there are people in the shadow cabinet on


the front bench who are supportive of my position of others. I put


forward my arguments. I am not organising anything. I put them


Do you think Labour will change its position before the election?


have been clear and consistent on this issue, unlike the Tories who


had a vote in 2011. I will come to him in a moment, tell me about your


priorities. We said it is the wrong priority at the wrong time.


Promising a referendum in four years' time creates economic


uncertainty for four years, could affect foreign investment and


therefore, jobs. Martin Sorrell, who is well known to be a Tory


supporter... He voted with Mr Blair. He tends to be more on the


conservative side. It's his is simple question. I am asking you is


there any chance you would change your policy before the General


Election? We have said we don't want a referendum now and we don't


want one in four years' time. The Government should focus on the


economy. If you look at polling, people care more about the economy


than anything else. This Bill on Friday is a distraction. Can our


viewers concluded you want a change of policy before the election?


his two years to go before the election. I have set out our


position as it is now. I am asking is there any chance you will change


this before we go to the polls? will keep on the statute book, the


referendum mock. Secondly, Europe is in a state of great flux. The


argument is abating, but ongoing. We don't know what the dynamic will


be between those in the eurozone and the UK. Croatia is outside.


Let's see what happens with the dynamics of that relationship.


are keeping your options open? Are you telling me then, as a result of


the so-called dynamics between those within the eurozone and those


out of the eurozone, between now and 2015, you might change of


policy? I don't think it will change significantly. So you won't


change a policy? I do not expect us to. It would be silly to rule out


something. You are keeping your options open. We need to make these


decisions on the national interest. What matters now, is when the


eurozone integration happens, but the UK still has a say in what


happens. This Bill is not worth the paper it is written on is it? After


the next election the new Parliament will decide if we will


have a referendum in 2017, not this Parliament. You cannot bind the


next Parliament? If this as past as law, the next Parliament will have


to vote down, which it can do. It will have to make a proactive


exercise to do that. It would set into law that we will have a


referendum in 2017. There would have to be further legislation


before a referendum. You would have to legislate for the referendum?


would have to go further, but it would require a new Parliament to


directly the vote down the bill that had been passed. In other


words it won't compel a Government to have a referendum in 2017, there


would have to be another vote. It would make it difficult for David


Cameron, if he were still to be Prime Minister ought for


Conservative Government, Labour and the Lib Dems could say, we want


another boat. It would be stated that the next Parliament would say


they want to change what is done in this Parliament. According to the


authorities, it would still require further legislation, if you past


this. The next Parliament would have to pass for the legislation?


The next Parliament would have to do more, but they would have to


underwrite to say they wouldn't do what they wouldn't do what was


passed in this Parliament. That implies that unless you have a vote


to undo it, it would happen automatically. It won't happen


automatically. The Commons authorities have stated, in order


for it to happen and to go ahead, there will still have to be


legislation? There will have to beat actions taken. They would have


to be proactive or reacted to stop it on the basis of the fact we are


initiating something in this Parliament. The Conservative Party


wants to give the people a say on Europe. It is a clear issue in the


country to have an open and frank discussion about Europe. I was born


in 1978 and I did not have a vote on Europe. We should look at how


Europe should be and in the meantime look at what powers we


need to take back. Another issue for the Labour Party is the unions.


His United trying to take over your party? No, the Labour Party grew


out of the trade union party. I think the Prime Minister needs to


be careful when he talks about trade union barons. There are lots


of working people across the country who are members of a trade


union survey get protection from unfair dismissal. Not many of them


are members of the Labour Party, individually. The some of them are.


Not many. The percentage of union members compared to the percentage


of Labour members is very small. Why have 12 Labour constituencies


been in special measures since 2005? This is a fatuous article in


the Times, which frankly does not deserve to be on the front page.


am not talking about the times. I am not linking anything. I am


asking you why, because the Times article, which I am not depending


on, because it fudged the timing, why have 12 neighbour


constituencies been in special measures since 20 -- 2005. Some of


those constituencies go back further than 2005. I know why you


are asking this question. There has been a problem in Falkirk. Ed


Miliband has been very decisive in putting a stop to what was


happening, because there were serious allegations of wrongdoing.


I am not asking about Falkirk. We know it is recently into special


measures. Special measures mean the constituency party is taken over by


the National Party and it is national officials who oversee it.


I would like to know the answer why these constituencies you put into


special measures into 2005 - knot Falkirk, why are they still in


special measures? There were problems in these constituencies.


You have had years to sort it out. The party has felt the need to


monitor what has happened over time. If we were not doing that, you


would be asking why we are not keeping a close eye on it. If you


do not know, that is fine. Is it right that a union like United


should be able to round up 100 people to join the Labour Party,


send the names to the Labour Party with a cheque from the union to pay


for their membership, is that right? I think it is wrong. It is a


one-member, one-vote. We read introduce that in the 1990s. If you


are a member of the Labour Party, you should make a personal


commitment. It is a one-member, one-vote in the selections. So you


are against it, that is clear. Now, travel to foreign places can


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It's coming up to midday here. Just take a look at Big Ben. That can


mean only one thing - Yes, Prime Minister's Questions is on its way.


And that's not all, Nick Robinson is here. Do we have moving pictures


for the year you were born! You are very brave!


You treated this morning -- outwitted. The press charter is


going to the Privy Council, but it is not the Government or the


opposition's Press Charter, it is the press's pressed charter?


Parliament agreed, or the party leaders agreed a common approach


for a new Royal charter to establish an organisation like the


BBC and other public bodies, to establish a new form of press


regulation. We all had to wait for the Privy Council, the advisers to


the Queen to sign things off, to actually make this happen. It was


supposed to go in May, it did not go. Everybody assumed it would go


to the next meeting of the Privy Council, and that his next


Wednesday. The victims of press abuse, people like JK Rowling,


Madeleine McCann's parents and others, said get on with it. But


the charter that will go before the Privy Council next week won't be


the one Parliament agreed, not the one the Prime Minister and the


Leader of the Opposition and Nick Clegg once, it will be the press's


rival proposal. It is not because it is about to become approved and


accepted, it is because the lawyers are saying, if you don't go through


the proper processes, there will be a massive court case in which the


newspapers of it down for many months. Is it the newspapers or the


Government that has put forward this charter? There are two rival


charters. Who has put forward the press one? It is the press who is


doing it? The people who used to run the old regulators. The


expectation is the Privy Council won't sign off on this, but the


view of the lawyer's, if you are a cynic you might think the


Government are playing for time, but it is the advice they are


getting. It is not enough for ministers to look at it and say,


forget that. But in legal jargon, this is a credible proposal for a


Royal charter so must go through every possible stage, even if it is


rejected. To prevent the judicial review? The legal challenge would


be that it is not a fairly and justly considered. Hacked off will


be very hacked off. We had hacked off, we will have really, really


hacked off! More than ever before. They have a meeting with the


Culture Secretary this afternoon. They are treading carefully because


they regard the Culture Secretary as a target. We are now over to


the best way to celebrate the 65th birthday of the NHS is for the


government to strip out the culture of secrecy, and for patient safety,


have health professionals back at the heart of the NHS? The way to


celebrate the 65th birthday of the NHS is to go on investing in it like


this government is, with an extra �12 billion, but also to be on the


side of patients. That is why we are introducing the Chief Inspector of


hospitals. We need to end the culture of secrecy and cover-up that


we had under Labour. Mr Ed Miliband!


I am sure I speak for everyone when I say there is deep concern over


what we have witnessed in Egypt, including appalling violence and


deaths just one year on from free elections. Might I ask the Prime


Minister for assurances that all the appropriate steps are being taken to


guarantee the safety of UK nationals in that safety? I can give him that


assurance, and also to safeguard our embassy in Cairo. We are advising


British National Party against all but essential travel to Egypt,


except for the red Sea resorts, as set out on the foreign office


website. These are deeply disturbing scenes. The level of violence is


appalling. We should appeal to all sides to stop the levels of


violence, and particularly the sexual assaults. It is not for this


country to support any single group or party. We should support proper,


democratic processes and proper government by consent. I agree with


him, we all want to see a proper resolution to the present crisis.


Can he tell the house what work is being done, even at this late stage,


by the UK and the European Union, to encourage the Egyptian government to


secure a negotiated political solution to this crisis in advance


of today's Egyptian army deadline? Very clear messages have been sent


to President Morsi, Obama, who has spoken to him directly. -- very


clear messages have been sent to President Morsi, including by


President Obama , who has spoken to him directly. The government needs


to bring about peace and stability in that country.


I am grateful for his answer, and I know that he and the Foreign


Secretary will keep the house updated in the coming days. On


another subject, the country will need 240,000 extra primary school


places by 2014. Can he assure parents that this won't be met by


increasing class sizes? I can assure him that we put in


place, through the Spending Review, the additional money for 500 errors


and extra school places, so we should be able to provide those


school places without seeing an increase in classes. But class sizes


are rising. When the Labour government came to office, the


number of infants taught in class sizes over 30 was a quarter. When we


left, it was just 1.8%. It has doubled on his watch. That is the


reality for many parents. Under his plans, one third of new schools are


being built in areas where there are surplus places. Can he explain to


parents in areas where they are struggling to get children into


primary schools, why he is building schools where there are already


plenty of places? What he left is the biggest budget deficit in


Britain's peacetime history. We have had to make difficult decisions,


that is why we have cut welfare, but areas of spending. But an education,


we have made it a priority, and that is why the money going into schools


is going up and not down. That is why we are funding half a million


extra school places and why this government has built 200 new school


buildings. Now, he asks about new schools going in to different areas.


What that is code for is Labour's opposition to free schools. We want


more new good schools. Their policy is still the same as John


Prescott's. Remember that? The trouble with good schools is that


everyone wants to go to them. We want good schools but, as ever, his


questions are written by Len McCluskey of Unite.


Mr Speaker, as always, this Prime Minister has no answers to the


questions he is asked. If he won't answer me, maybe he'll answer David


Simons. He is the Conservative spokesman for the Local Government


Association. This is what he says. We know of schools that are


literally falling down and still have to compete with Rand new-builds


down the road. In other words, in areas where there are surplus


places. Isn't the truth that while he is pouring millions of pounds


into building new schools where there are already places, the only


way he will meet the shortage in other areas is teaching kids in


Portakabins and increasing class sizes? The last Labour government


cut primary school places. Let me tell him what his government is


doing. The education capital budget is �21 billion over the next six


years. That is what we are doing. What is so interesting is that he is


taking his script from the trade unions, who don't like choice, they


don't like new schools, they don't like free schools. They want to


control everything. What we know is one organisation they have got


control. We see it in black and white - they have taken control of


the Labour. Mr Speaker, I am speaking for


parents up and down this country. The usual very low grade, very


substandard, very unnecessary heckling. If the question that mad


recession has two run longer, it will. Let's try to retain some


decorum which the public can respect.


And let's have a debate about ethics. He gave a tax cut to his


Christmas card list, he brought Andy Coulson into the heart of Downing


Street. The idea that he is lecturing us about ethics takes a


double standards to a whole new level.


Now, in this one policy on schools, we see the hallmark of this


government. They make the wrong choices on tax and spending. The


millionaires tax cuts, the top-down we organisation of the NHS and


schools in areas with surplus places. All the time, they repeat


the meaningless mantra, we all this together.


He goes up and down the country speaking for Len McCluskey. No


wonder the former Home Secretary calls them the party of the


graveyard. The fact is, I have got it here, I have got the press


release, how Unite plans to change the Labour Party. I know you are


paid to shout by Unite, but calmed down a bit! This is what it says. We


give millions to the party. The relationship has to change. We want


a firm E class -based and left-wing general election campaign. He is too


weak to sack his Health Secretary, to stand up for free schools, to


stand up to the Unite union, too weak to run Labour and certainly too


New rules mean my constituents have to register individually if they


want to vote to stop electoral fraud. Does he think the same rules


should apply to joining a political party? I think she is absolutely


right. Individual voter registration is a major step forward. Frankly, we


have a situation where we have one of our political parties where it


has become apparent that votes are being bought, people are being


signed up without consent, all done by the man, let McCluskey, who gave


him his job. Demand for food banks is 30,000


households -- was 30,000 households in media before the general


election, 350,000 households last year. Will the Prime Minister


acknowledged that rocketing demand for food bank shows we have a


problem? I am sure as a member of Unite, he will want to look very


carefully at his own constituency Labour Party. Who knows how many


people they have bought and put on the register? Food bank use went up


ten times under Labour. That is what happened. This government is helping


working people by freezing the council tax, giving 24 million


people a tax cut and taking 2.4 million of the poorest people out of


tax. The Prime Minister will be aware of the recent terrible


stabbings in my Shipley constituted which led to the death of an


84-year-old woman and a serious injury to a nine-year old boy


playing in the park. Will he join me in praising the police for the


swiftness of making arrests in this particular case, but also in


supporting the local community and congratulating them on their


steadfastness and community spirit, which has helped this community get


through a very, very traumatic period? I certainly join the


honourable member. These were truly shocking events and reading about


them, particularly the young boy who staggered out of the park bleeding,


having been stabbed, and reading about the grandmother described as


so much of a community member that they were seen as everybody's


grandmother is truly disturbing. I join him in his praise, and we must


make sure that justice is to. The government has promised that by


2016, no one will have to pay more than �72,000 towards the cost of


that personal care. I don't know whether he has read an article in


the Financial Times on Saturday which says that the cap will not be


an actual costs, but eligible costs. They will not include the


cost of people meeting moderate care needs, nor all the costs incurred in


going into a private residential home. Isn't this another example of


him promising to do one thing and planning something completely


different? We are introducing what was debated


and discussed in this house in terms of those cost that will be covered,


and those that will not. The party opposite had 13 years to cap the


cost of care, to do something about the rising cost of social care, and


did precisely nothing. May I congratulate the government on


achieving political agreement for the next round of reform? That might


I make a plea, that proper time be taken to agreed implementation, to


ensure a level playing field and a fair deal for Britain and our


farmers? The honourable lady is right. We


have a good deal over the common agricultural policy. We need to


listen to farmers about concerns so they are not disadvantaged as


against other countries, and we need to take time to introduce the new


system. When the last system, in terms of the single farm payments,


was introduced so quickly, we suffered large fines from Europe as


a result. She is extremely wise. Minister aware of the rather


disturbing commitment, which was given yesterday by his Chancellor,


that he will continue to interfere and intervene in the affairs of the


Royal Bank of Scotland on behalf of the taxpayer? Is he aware that in


his last intervention the completely irresponsible behaviour has cost the


British taxpayer �4.5 billion in the loss of value of the shareholding.


Pity instructors Chancellor to desist from any such intervention in


the future? -- could he instructed his Chancellor to desist?


I know he has experience of lending money!


It is very important that the government stands up for the


taxpayer and makes sure that the Royal Bank of Scotland has the right


strategy and leadership going ahead so that they get the money put by


the last government into the banks Two days ago saw the start of


independent retailer month. Does he agree we need to do more to keep


independent shops vital question marks on this issue I agree with


the honourable gentleman. He speaks for a lot of Britain, and that is a


we should be looking at our town centres, looking after what we can


do to back our town centres. We should be looking at the rate


system and how it works. We should also be looking at a planning


system and how we can use change of use and we should work with local


authorities who want to see the town centres succeed. It is a vital


issue for towns of and down our country and it has our full backing.


I enjoyed my recent visit to the Nissan factory in Sunderland for


the first of the mass market electric vehicle which will support


over 500 jobs at the plant and 200 across the car industry. I look


forward to visiting the North East again soon. When the Prime Minister


next visit the region he will seek the key issue facing the region is


unemployment. There are over 20 applicants for every advertised


vacancy and his policy of local enterprise partnerships and


enterprise zones is not making the same effective impact on the


region's economy as the development agency did. Will he consider the


appointment of a minister to work with the local enterprise


partnerships and the individual members of Parliament for the


region, to push forward the private sector employment agenda? Ministers


do work with the enterprise zones. Let me give him the figures.


Obviously we want to see more, but employment in the North East is up


by 9,000 since the election. The North East private sector jobs are


up 37,000. It is not just the success at Nissan, we have Hitachi


committed to building the new train building plant in County Durham.


That will bring 700 jobs. We have the new tunnel which opened in 2011,


extra money going into the Tyne and Wear Metro. All of those things can


make a difference. And in his own constituency, the youth claimant


count has fallen by 4% over the last year. Will the Prime Minister


take the opportunity on his next visit to promote apprenticeships


and the support Government is giving to them among North East


businesses, and will he pressed the Ministry of Transport to get on


with the job of doing it? The last time I was in the north-east I made


a speech about apprenticeships. It is remarkable the number of people


who started apprenticeships under this Government. I can tell him in


terms of the transport issue he raises, is actually we are funding


feasibility studies into fixing problems on the road north of


Newcastle to Scotland, and the Newcastle Gateshead bypass. We are


improving the a 19 between Newcastle and South Shields. This


is a much better record than the party opposite, even though they


had a Prime Minister who came from the north-east. They never did what


we are proposing. Given the Prime Minister is so keen to talk about


infrastructure investments, can he explain why his Government has cut


capital investment again in 2015, 16 by nearly �1 billion? I have to


say to the honourable lady, she is wrong. If she looks at the figures


and take the plan as a Labour had for this Parliament, we have added


to those plans. We have increased the amount of capital spending. But


if you come to this House and you oppose changes on welfare, you


oppose cuts to Government programmes, you oppose the of this


and she changes it you are making, they have not supported a single


cut. It you do all of those things, there is no way you would have any


capital spending at all. That is the problem with the weakness from


the Labour front bench, because they have not taken any tough


decisions they cannot support the capital spenders To this country


needs. Can the Prime Minister confirm reports from Jordan a new


treaty has been signed and this country could have the pleasure of


seeing the back off Abu Qatada this week? I can confirm this treaty has


taken through both the Jordanian Parliament and also our own. I


don't want to say anything that in any way could stop what we all want


to happen, happening. When the Government tried to go workers to


exchange their rights for shares, we were told 6,000 businesses would


sign up. In the event only six have shown an interest. Not 600 or 60,


but six, what went wrong? programme has not started yet. It


starts in September. It is a programme that has been praised by


the Institute of Directors, praised by the CBI, praised by the


Federation of Small Businesses. Of course it has not been praised by


of the United unions. He is a member of the unite unions so he


has to stick to their script. What a sad day for democracy. Question


Number Ten. I very much for, I look forward to visiting Bury and I


always take special time to look at the statue of Sir Robert Peel.


Whenever the Prime Minister does find time to sample the delights of


a Bury, Ramsbottom and Tottington again, will he join me in meeting


some of the hundreds of local small businesses and charities who will


be �2,000 a year better off from next April, because of the new


employment allowance which will cost employers and National


Insurance contributions, giving them an incentive to create genuine


new jobs? I think my honourable friend is absolutely right. You can


walk down any high street in any town in Britain and point out to


shopkeepers and businesses, if they do employ people they will see a


�2,000 reduction in their National Insurance bill. If they don't


employed people, they can take people on and not pay National


Insurance. It is only possible because of the tough decisions this


Government has taken on spending and welfare. It was never backed by


the party opposite but it demonstrate we are on the side of


people who want to get on. Prime Minister's deputy party


leader in Scotland is describing the UK Government's scaremongering


about independence as silly, whilst one of his key donors in Scotland


is describing it as puerile, and a leading commentator says it is


tripe. Given the Prime Minister is in charge of UK For -- fear for the


UK Government, will he ditched this tripe? I was asked this question


yesterday. I will give a different but similar answer, which is if you


look at the information being produced by this Government on what


would happen in terms of Scottish independence, I think it is


impartial, extremely powerful and sensible. The fact is, the Scottish


nationalists are using the argument. They are losing the arguments on


jobs, losing the argument on the economy and losing the argument on


the influence Scotland will have on the world. Bring on the arguments,


because you are losing the battle. We have raised over �10,000 for


local and a underprivileged children's. I'm sure the Prime


Minister will join me in praising these local voluntary clubs in the


community. It is in stark contrast to the kind of institution we tried


to block via political influence... My honourable friend is right. It


is an honour I am an honorary member of my local Rotary Club.


They are unimportant part of the big society, they do an excellent


job and they don't go round hoovering up members by making


single payments from trade unions in order to buy influence. In March,


the climate change minister said, I wouldn't be sleeping if we did not


have 10,000 signed up to the green deal by the end of the year. Given


that only four households have signed on the dotted line, is that


Len McClusky is false as well? -- fault. He is wrong about the


figures for stomp of 37,000 households have had assessments and


over 5,000 have had their boy has changed. Of course, I sorry I


missed out the honourable member have received sponsorship from the


unite Union. Oh you don't! I suspect he ought to go through his


constituency Records, checked the members are still alive, that it


might be a good start. The Prime Minister has won much praise for


his work on dealing with tax avoidance, but some people have


called him hypocritical, what does he say to that? What is


hypocritical is to take donations from a donor in the form of shares


in order to avoid taxes. That is what the Labour Party has done.


They should pay back the �700,000 to the taxpayer and that money


should be going towards schools and hospitals. That is Labour's shame.


Can the Prime Minister confirmed the laces work programme figures


show it is missing every single one of its minimum performance


standards? The honourable lady is asking about the work programme.


The fact is it has 312,000 people into work. 60% of the people going


into the work programme are coming off benefits and while the unite


Union and the members opposite might not want to hear this, and


while it might not be part of Len McClusky's script, this programme


is twice as good as the flexible New Deal. As a doctor who once had


to listen incredulously to a patient at explain via a translator


or that she only discovered she was nine months pregnant on arrival at


Heathrow Airport, I was pleased to hear the statement on health


tourism today. Does the Prime Minister agreed that although


savings are modest, the principal matters. The health service should


be national and not international? I think my honourable friend makes


an important point. It is a National Health Service and not


internationals. British families pay around �5,000 in year in taxes


to pay for the NHS. It is bright but those who don't have a right to


use the NHS gets properly charged for it. We have made this


announcement and I hope there will be all-party support for it, but


Labour's health minister has condemned it as xenophobic.


bedroom tax is turning into a disaster in constituencies like


mine. Families are moving out of good quality, social housing and


into the private rented sector at a cost to the taxpayer. Three and


four-bedroom houses are standing empty and classed as hard to let.


We have pensioners approaching me saying they want to downside but


they can't because priorities go to families. Is this not turning into


a disaster for the taxpayer? What this is his first for the taxpayer.


We don't give a spare room subsidy for people in private sector


accommodation, so we shouldn't give a spare room subsidy for people in


council accommodation. The question now is for the party opposite. We


have decided to remove the spare room subsidy, they now say they


support of spending changes. Is that still the case or are they


committed to repealing this? Absolutely no answer. The shocking


abuse that was revealed in Winterbourne view and by operation


Jasmin in Wales has revealed a gap in the law which means that whilst


the staff get prosecuted, the organisations are never corporate


LEA accountable. Will a Prime Minister meet with me and a small


delegation to discuss how we can plug this gap in the law and ensure


there is proper accountability for abuse and neglect? I am happy to


meet with him about this issue because it is important. In the


Francis report there were a number of recommendations about duties of


care and the duty of candour we need to put in place. I am keen to


make sure we get this done. Royal charter approved by this


House, still not been sent to the Privy Council when it should have


been in May. Will he assured his house and the victims that he won't


do a deal with certain newspapers to further watered down the


recommendations? What I will save to the right honourable gentleman,


we have to follow the correct legal processes. The legal advice we have


shared with the Leader of the Opposition is we have to take these


things in order. We have to take the press Royal charter proposal


first, then we have to bring forward the Royal Charter of which


we have all agreed. The press's Royal Charter has some serious


shortcomings, so I have not changed my view. Mr Speaker...


gentleman wanted to be called, I have called him. I am most grateful,


Mr Speaker. Given a selection of Parliamentary candidates is a


legitimate concern of this House, will have Prime Minister agree with


me that the voting irregularities in the Falkirk constituency should


be looked at as a matter of urgency? Order, order. The question


is about apart the matter, not Government responsibility. Not a


matter for the Prime Minister. A complete waste of time. Mr Peter


Bone. Mr Speaker, the all-party group against human trafficking has


raised the awareness of modern-day slavery to a greater level. I am


delighted to report last night, 150 members of this House and the other


house, attended the AGM. It is a credit to the Prime Minister's


personal commitment to this. Would he consider, and perhaps in the


next Queen's Speech having a modern slavery Act? I pay tribute to the


honourable member for the consistent work he has done on this


vital issues. It is important we wipe out a modern-day slavery and I


enjoyed going to meet with him and other members, in the House of


Commons, in order to see just how bad the situation is. We are


looking at legislative options and I will be chairing a committee


across Government to look at what more could be done. Glenda Jackson.


One of my constituents and her three-year-old child have become


homeless fleeing the most heinous domestic violence. And now, despite


a legally living and working in this country for four years,


immigration technicality has made them destitute. Will the Prime


Minister please examine this legislation and its possibly


unintended consequences, so in future no woman and her child may


suffer a double abuse? I am happy to look at the individual case the


honourable lady raises. It is linked to the last question about


modern-day slavery, were sometimes immigration rules have caused


slavery -- difficulty for those who want to flee the people keeping


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Inspectors were told not to serve his problems because it was


embarrassing for the Government. Was it his conception when he set


Labour members took over. A pretty lively Prime Minister's


Questions come to an end. Ed Miliband asked about Egypt, it did


not get us very far, but at least he did it. He then moved on to schools,


drawing a contrast between the areas of the country short of primary


school places than those which had 20 but were still adding the


government support for free schools to these areas. -- those which had


plenty. There were about eight mentions of Len McCluskey from the


Prime Minister. That was interesting, he is not an MP, he is


leader of the Unite union. But Mr Cameron has been reading his focus


groups and he thinks this plays rather well. He managed to shoo


homeland McCluskey into virtually every answer. The Speaker got upset


because many of the questions were not about government policy or the


Prime Minister. -- he managed to shoehorn Len McCluskey into


virtually every answer. Michael Murray, an e-mail, said,


will Mr Cameron ever give direct answers to direct questions? If he


does not know the answers, why is he Prime Minister? Jeffrey says that Ed


Miliband has showed why he cannot be trusted - opposing choice, freedom


and free schools. One viewer said, surely it is time the Prime Minister


thought about his constant vilifying of the trade unions. It is not


right. Ian Whiteley says that he started of statesmanlike over Egypt,


then it descended into a slanging match. Dave got in plenty of digs


overland McCluskey and Unite but Ed skewered him up -- about bringing in


Andy Coulston. Mr Winston says, the Prime Minister certainly hammered Ed


Miliband and it is clear there is growing confidence on the Tory


backbenchers, but Martin said that the preplanned mantra about Labour


being controlled by the unions is hypocritical, taking early when you


consider David Cameron taking the side of the press barons during the


Leveson Inquiry and the influence of big business. Crispin in


Chesterfield says that David Cameron keeps banging on about the unions,


but who is pulling his strings when it comes to delaying new press


regulation? He came out saying he did not like


the press charter, which was interesting. Am I right in thinking


that those around Mr Cameron in the Government at the moment and his


political strategists think that Labour are on the defensive? They


are on a roll. There is something striking happening, which you can


see in Prime Minister's Question Time. Week after week, the Tory


awkward squad, will to want to get rid of David Cameron, they were


awkward in public, they would attack on it like or him. Now, two or three


of him lobbed him a soft ball so that he could attack Labour and the


trade unions. There are two separate things going on. Tory strategists


believe that on the issue of the Unite union's influence, they can


portray Ed Miliband as weak. The speaker would have pulled up at some


months ago. He would have said, you are not supposed to ask questions in


opposition, you are not supposed to this for partisan propaganda. Yet


the Speaker let him get away with it. The second thing going on is a


sense that the Tory family is briefly, at least, coming together.


That is partly due to the Europe bill coming up later this week. On


Friday, they can vote on the referendum. One thing I can tell


you, which I don't think has been out there yet, is the Prime Minister


is inviting you. Have you had your invite? He will have a barbecue for


every current dividend MP inside Downing Street. There will be a


family photo for every Conservative MP on the green bench of Downing


Street. And a special meeting with the Prime Minister and strategists.


In other words, they are using this bill to get everybody to Westminster


and pull together, have a festival, a Tory party party! There will be a


photograph on the green benches. Sounds like party management to me.


So what? You might say. Forgive me if I have said this before, people


forget that politics is a tribal sport, a team game. Whether morale


is good or bad does not secure you an election, but, rightly or


wrongly, Tory morale is high. that? If the recovery is under way,


it is barely perceptible among most voters. The coalition has not been


the happiest of parties in recent months or years. Why is Labour


feeling on the defensive and the Tories have a spring in their step?


I don't feel we are on the defensive. I think the tale about


the barbecue on Friday night tells us what is really behind Friday 's


European debate, and that is the Prime Minister trying to manage his


own party. All prime ministers do that. Two it is an occasion for him


to say that the Lib Dems are against this and we are for it, it is an


occasion for him to try to unite his party around that one issue. On the


substance of whether we should be in or out of Europe, there are deep


divisions within the Tory party. I think it is a convenient device for


him on Friday to try to unite his party. How long it will last, I


don't know. We have been consistently ahead in the polls


since the disastrous Budget of last year. White bag not by much. Now we


have fixed term Parliaments, which I am in favour of, because I think it


was a farce when there was always a question of, will the Prime Minister


call an election or not? We have started the process of setting out


our alternative, but we are doing it in a thoughtful and considered way.


I think we are on the front foot. At the start of June, we had a very


strong start to the Parliamentary session with speeches by Ed Balls


and Ed Miliband. The latest polls have shown that your leaders down to


5%. At this stage in the run-up to the 1997 election, you were points


ahead. It was a very different time. Yes, Labour was well ahead!


there was also an unpopular Conservative Government of many


years. The Conservatives did not get the majority at the last election,


obviously we. Did not win either, so we are at a much closer pegging.


Aren't they overplaying Len McCluskey? He mentioned him eight


times, he drags him in. If you asked him about the weather, he would


probably blame it, and also the bedroom tax, an Unite. Despite all


the bankrolling of Labour, Len McCluskey and his union have been


remarkably unsuccessful in getting their candidates chosen. That is the


real story in the Labour Party. not sure that is true. I was elected


by an open primary, and I find it deeply distasteful, and other unions


find this as well, that unions can be selecting Labour MPs. How many


prospective candidates has Unite forced onto a Labour constituency?


Two there was an example in Falkirk. But they did not win. And in


Brighton a candidate strongly backed by the unions was selected.


issue is how many are they on a roll? How many have Unite forced


onto a Labour constituency? There is a clear trend that those candidate


strongly backed by the unions tended to win, sometimes regardless of what


is independent commentators thought of their performance. There is not


evidence for that. I have been through an open Labour Party


selection, I was the only woman on a shortlist of eight. There was a


heavily union backed candidate and I beat them. Obviously there are trade


union members in my own membership who sometimes favour the trade union


backed candidate, and sometimes do not. But there are some people in Ed


Miliband's own frontbench who are publicly expressing their run


happiness. Jim Murphy said they, meaning Unite, can't bully and get


their way within the Labour Party. There is a row taking place in


private that has basically emerged in public. If you are political


party, that is a gift when your opponents do that, when they row


with each other. In my role as health minister I engage with the


unions, and there is clearly disquiet from the unions about the


strength and power of Unite in the Labour Party. What are the unions?


When you see that, for example, Unison, which is more moderate, I


believe, than Unite, have much less they say. The Labour Party as a


party has traditionally had brought union backing. But now one union is


beginning to buy votes in the process. Unison have complained


about Unite being too powerful? I would not say they have direct


complained, but you can pick up background disquiet from union


members. Tom Watson, a key figure in your party, a big union man. Has he


got too much power when it comes to choosing candidates? Tom Watson is


in the position he is in because he is a tremendous campaign in his own


constituency. We are both in the Black Country. Has he too much


power? In the 1990s, we introduced one member, one vote. We will do all


we can to make sure that this is fair and transparent. I am


determined, as a Labour MP, that the people up for election in 2015 have


had the backing of their local party. It is really important that


that happens. Ed Miliband has been very decisive when it came to


Falkirk. The party stepped in and stop the process, froze the


membership so that only members who joined from March of last year were


eligible, and so we're getting a grip on the problems in Falkirk.


Nick, a final word? We did not speak about primary school places, earlier


this week, an all-party Commons committee said that over 250,000


school places were needed by September 2014, and there was a


danger that music rooms and libraries would be replaced by unit


of the classrooms. Although it did not feel like it was Ed Miliband's


day, I think the Labour leader has invested in a story he thinks would


fit in with people 's life experiences in the next few months


and weeks to say, when your child is in an overcrowded classroom or does


not have a classroom, here is why. And all the places are to be


available for September, when the school goes back. Thank you.


Now, we could, if we wanted to, head to the supermarket at three o'clock


on a Sunday afternoon. But could we get an appointment to see our GP


then, or have a routine NHS operation on our knee? Probably not.


But all this could be about to change under plans by Health


Secretary Jeremy Hunt to make care in NHS England truly 24/7. In fact,


data shows that mortality rates actually increase during


out-of-hours provision. But doctors say the proposals won't work in a


service already overstretched. Former doctor and author of NHS SOS


I was a hospital doctor of the 37 years. I advise the Government on


the care of elderly people. Nothing would appease me more than being


able to offer comprehensive care in the NHS, 247. Surgeries will be


open seven days a week so patients could see their doctors without


missing work. In NHS hospitals, the care on a Sunday night would be


just as good as the care on a Wednesday morning. It wouldn't only


be patient centred, but staff centred. It would make it easy to


deliver promptly and safely, everything we want for our patients.


But it would be irresponsible to support Jeremy Hunt's call for a


247 Tesco style service at present. Why? The NHS is facing �20 billion


worth of cuts, massive staff reductions, closure of A&E and


closure of some hospitals. All of this in the context of the most


disruptive reorganisation in its history. No wonder services are


overstretched. Worse still, resources will become more scarce


as Government plans for re privatisation unfolds. There will


be tendering process has overseen by lawyers, and money diverted into


profits for multi- millionaire entrepreneurs. Any extension of


services, some think the vast majority of doctors support, will


mean endangering what is currently on offer. In other words, upgrading


services at the weekend may mean downgrading services during the


week. Doctoring is a more serious And Professor Raymond Tallis joins


us now. I think everybody would agree that doctoring is more


complicated than shopping. But also there is a perception that doctors


don't want to work out of hours and the weekends? I began a 104 hour


week when I started as a junior doctor. When I finished I was


working 70 hours a week when I finished. It was normal when I


retired to become a consultant on call. That there was no question of


not doing out of hours care. Nevermind one continuing


preoccupation of patience when you are not being paid for it. His it


to demand would looking at? You put it down to the fact there were no


resources. Let's say the resources were there, would it be reasonable


for people to expect a 24 hour a day service in terms of GPs and


hospital? It's would be wonderful. When I was a doctor in hospital, it


was dreadful on Sunday when you were trying to solve a complex


problem because you did not have a support service. When you were


trying to communicate with primary care there wasn't the support at


the weekend. As I have indicated, it would be fantastically staff


centres. We would be far less concerned, but it requires an


enormous amount of resources at a time when resources are being


squandered a by the Coalition. more money was put into the NHS or


the resources were spent more wisely you could have a more even


service spread across seven days? �12.7 billion will be put into the


NHS during this Parliament. But if you look at the root causes, the


majority of the NHS workforce are on a 24 hour basis. There is the


basis of expanding GP hours and consultant hours. Because the


previous contract could GP now earns �108,000. There is a 24%


increase in pay given to consultants by the previous


Government. Would you like to change that? They were still


allowed to opt out of weekends and evenings. Part of this is what


contract you put in place. Doctors are well remunerated... And they


should work out-of-hours and weekends? Doctors shouldn't just do


on-call work at that time, but more routine work. At night and the


weekends, the mortality rate is higher. When you are earning


�108,000 on average, and you are starting a salary as a consultant


on 84,000... What are you blaming the fact you're 82% more likely to


die in the NHS when you have an operation on a Sunday compared to a


Monday? Are you saying there are enough resources, but doctors are


not good enough at the weekend? am not saying that. But some were


there is a problem. The contracts knitters he did by the previous


Government allowed doctors to opt out of weekend care. So consultant


care, is safer Kerr and better. That is something we need to see


more of. Not just during the week, but in the evenings and weekends.


Good patient care, professionals acting with professionalism. What


do say to that? First of all he is confusing the situation with


primary care and the situations with hospitals. All hospital


consultants provide cover over weekends on a shift basis. It is


not actually being at a hospital delivering care, it is being


provided by on-call cover which is different to providing routine,


daytime care. The other thing is, there is only a certain number of


hours an individual doctor can work. It is inappropriate for a doctor to


work a 100 our week, as I did. We need more doctors. You cannot


spread one doctor over 168 hours in a week. We are can -- recruiting


more consultants. The previous Government recognised that


consultant care is better. We need to have more consultants working at


weekends and out of hours. It is also the case we need a GPS system


that is not necessarily looking at daytime care, but providing care in


the evenings and weekends to keep patients more out of the A&E when


they don't need to be there. are the Government, make it happen.


We need to revisit the contracts we inherited from the previous


Government. Some of these contracts come round in a ten-year sample.


Hackney, idealistic GPs wanted to clawback the opt-out from providing


out-of-hours services. The existing private provider was awful. The


public and the doctors agreed with that. They tried to buy it out and


they were prevented from doing so. By the rules laid down by the


previous Government. Now yesterday we had a bit of a


spat on our programme - which we always enjoy. The Labour MP, Simon


Danczuk, locked horns with The Independent's Owen Jones over the


question of Jobs Seekers Allowance and whether there should be a


seven-day waiting period. Owen Jones attacked the proposal and


well a bit of old-fashioned class warfare ensued. Take a look at this.


You cannot just bring everybody together. You have an idealistic


view of the world. You sound like a 1980s alternative comedian. It is


hilarious in many respects, but taking on the mantle of Ben Elton


does not help anybody in politics. You sound like a Tory politician.


The grotesque sight of the Labour MP scuttling around TV studios to


back Tory attacks on some of the poorest of society. The priority


has to be creating jobs, creating wealth.


Well that ding-dong caused a Twitter storm and led the Daily


Telegraph blogger, Dan Hodges, to write that the Labour Party needs


more of this left-wing rebuttal and he accused the Labour leadership of


being in thrall to Owen Jones. Dan Hodges joins us now. And are we


saying, the word has got out from Ed Miliband's headquarters that


Owen-Jones is not to be touched? Owen-Jones is a made man within the


Labour Party. A Mafia expression? It is a Mafia expression. It has


been leave Owen alone. It is an open secret that Ed Miliband and


his party have been courting going for several months. Why is that?He


is influential and has his newspaper column, he is influential


in terms of his liaison with the unions, think tank he is


established with. And also the direct action movement that Labour


wants to make common cause with. The other element is, the 35%


strategy, Ed Miliband is trying to build a new Coalition around those


who are disaffected with the Labour Party around the Iraq war, and


young and first-time voters. There is a sense Irwin is a spokesperson


for that group. Owen-Jones replied to your comments, saying it is the


most riveting and personal fantasy he has ever read. I don't want to


go into his personal fantasies, certainly not before the watershed!


Would you like to disprove Dan Hodges theory by attacking a Wynne-


Jones on air? This is total rubbish. Ed Miliband has not put out an


instruction to shadow ministers not to have a go at him. I would be


happy to criticise Owen if the occasion arises. And Simon is a


Labour Member of Parliament, he speaks for the Labour Party. Not


Owen. So Simon was right, and I was was wrong? -- Owen. Yes.It is


falling apart. The word is out now, attack it Owen. They will all be


Time to put you out of your misery with the answer to the Guess the


Year competition. The answer was 1942. Why should they have found


out it was 1942? The Al Alan Main, the huge battle


on the North African desert, the turning-point of the war. The first


British victory, actually. Emma, please press the button to reveal


There is one Cup on eBay at the moment selling for �93, but it is


the cancer. OK that's all for today. Thanks to


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