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Daily Politics. The NHS - free at the point of delivery, but not if | :00:39. | :00:47. | |
you're a foreigner. It is not the international health service! The | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
Government consults on charging non-EU nationals for going to the | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
doctor. It's usually David Cameron and his | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
MPs who are in a bit a bother over Europe, now Ed Miliband has his own | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
euro-woes over whether to hold an in-out referendum. | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
And the two men will take each other in PMQs - we'll bring you that live | :01:02. | :01:12. | |
at midday. You have an idealistic view of the world. The problem is | :01:12. | :01:18. | |
you sound like a 1980s alternative comedian. It is hilarious, in many | :01:18. | :01:24. | |
years that many respects. Taking on the mantle of Ben Elton does not | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
help anyone. You sound like a Tory politician. | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
And the fall-out from yesterday's row between the Labour MP and the | :01:30. | :01:40. | |
Labour blogger. That was great television yesterday! It really was! | :01:40. | :01:45. | |
I was trying hard not to smile. All that coming up in less time than | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
it takes to knock a top seed out of Wimbledon. And on centre court here | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
in SW1 - and with us for the duration - Westminster's finest | :01:52. | :01:54. | |
mixed doubles pairing. The Shadow Europe Minister Emma Reynolds and | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
the health minister Dr Dan Poulter. Welcome to the programme. First, who | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
should have the right to free treatment on the NHS? The Government | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
is launching a consultation today on how to restrict foreigners' access | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
to hospitals and doctors surgeries. JoCo has all the details. | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
Yes, that's right. Under the proposals, non-EU nationals who come | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
to the UK for more than six months could be charged at least �200 a | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
year to access NHS treatment. More than 270,000 migrants came to study | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
and work in Britain last year from outside the EU, who are likely to be | :02:26. | :02:33. | |
affected by the levy. The Department of Health said the cost of treating | :02:33. | :02:38. | |
foreigners is at least �30 million a year for the NHS in England alone. | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
However, doctors have claimed the move would turn surgeries into | :02:40. | :02:46. | |
border posts. And Dr Clare Gerada, the chairwoman of the Royal College | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
of GPs, said �30 million was the equivalent of just two hours of the | :02:49. | :02:59. | |
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NHS's annual spending. So, why should doctors be border | :03:04. | :03:09. | |
control agents? That is not the case, and it would not be the case | :03:09. | :03:11. | |
that doctors would have to refuse treatment for patients, that would | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
never happen in the NHS. But we want to introduce a system which make | :03:15. | :03:21. | |
sure that the money that we put into the NHS as a government is bent on | :03:21. | :03:26. | |
British patients, just as when we travel overseas we have to take out | :03:26. | :03:36. | |
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health insurance or make sure that we are provided for with health | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
care, we believe it is right that people who come here as tourists or | :03:46. | :03:55. | |
students should make provision for the cost of their own health care. | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
How would a doctor know if somebody had paid the levy? We have people on | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
long stays, people coming here as students. As a condition of the | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
students reason we could put the levy down or make sure that some | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
that he had health insurance. would not get in if they did not pay | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
the levy or have health insurance? This is what the consultation is | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
about. If you want to come here and study, and foreign students pay full | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
tuition fees, so it will not be a deterrent, an extra couple of | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
hundreds of pounds... You could throw in the health care if they are | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
paying through the nose for their fees! If you went anywhere overseas, | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
you would have to pay for health care. In the NHS, we need to make | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
sure that many in this country goes on British patients. Don't we want | :04:35. | :04:40. | |
more students to come here and pay full fees? Students are usually | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
pretty healthy anyway, why not just throw in the cost of the health care | :04:44. | :04:50. | |
and get even more coming and paying �12,000 a year, sometimes �15,000? | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
It is not a barrier for students coming here. They are already paying | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
many thousands of pounds. Making sure we have a levy which covers the | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
NHS and make sure that local patients are not shortchanged has to | :05:03. | :05:09. | |
be the right thing. How big a problem is health to resign? I think | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
you'll estimate was on the conservative side. It could be �200 | :05:13. | :05:19. | |
million a year, which is a lot of money which should be going to | :05:19. | :05:25. | |
support British patients. We know there is money... We have not been | :05:25. | :05:30. | |
very good in some parts of the country at recouping money from EU | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
migrants. Other countries are better at that. In terms of more general | :05:35. | :05:41. | |
health tourism, at the minute we don't have any system for properly | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
tracking who is accessing the NHS. People are given an NHS number and | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
right to access when they turn up. We don't know the full cost, which | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
is why it could be up to �200 million. Your boss, Jeremy Hunt, | :05:56. | :06:02. | |
said the NHS is owed �12 million from foreigners. That is a figure | :06:02. | :06:11. | |
that we know there is money from the EU migrants... There is meant to be | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
a money transfer. Why don't you get that before you do anything else? | :06:16. | :06:19. | |
are cracking down on that and making sure that we deal with it more | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
effectively. We have inherited a system which did not do anything | :06:22. | :06:29. | |
like this. In the last three years we have put measures in place, local | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
hospitals are getting better at recouping the money than they were. | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
There is a problem at some hospitals need to do more, that is why we are | :06:37. | :06:42. | |
having a drive on the EU side as well. But the big focus needs to be | :06:42. | :06:48. | |
on people from outside of the EU coming in, potentially costing up to | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
�200 million a year. That is what we need to focus on, taking sure | :06:51. | :06:56. | |
British patients are not shortchanged. If these people can't | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
afford to see a doctor or decide they have been put off, they could | :07:00. | :07:05. | |
be carrying diseases that we could all end up getting? The point is | :07:05. | :07:13. | |
that this system operates in every other country that we may visit. The | :07:13. | :07:18. | |
point is that people are coming into this country. If they need emergency | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
treatment, that would always be provided. Doctors will always | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
provide emergency treatment, but we need to make sure we recoup the | :07:26. | :07:32. | |
cost. To recharge for emergency treatment? At the moment, in the | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
system from the Labour Government, we do not charge of almost any | :07:37. | :07:45. | |
treatment. If they end up in A&E, they will get that free at the point | :07:45. | :07:51. | |
of use, but will they subsequently be charged? Initially there was a | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
distinction the previous government brought in on what was emergency and | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
what was non-emergency. That has become increasingly blurred. What | :07:59. | :08:07. | |
would you do? It was blurred because it sums it presents with TB, which | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
may be secondary to HIV, there would be other complications of illness | :08:10. | :08:17. | |
that develop. The definition of emergency treatment has been widened | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
and widened and widened further. There needs to be a more clear | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
definition and consultation between immediate life-saving treatment and | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
treatment which is more routine, day-to-day care and treatment. We | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
have to look into this and make sure we get the money back. What is | :08:32. | :08:38. | |
Labour's position? We will consider these proposals. We agree with the | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
principle, migrants who come in and use the health service should not be | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
able to use it for free. The NHS is a national health this, not an | :08:47. | :08:52. | |
international health service. We certainly agree. But we need to get | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
a little bit of perspective. The Health Secretary has tried to blame | :08:56. | :09:03. | |
foreign migrant workers who come before that who come here for the | :09:03. | :09:10. | |
A&E crisis. I thought he was blaming the doctors contract? A contract | :09:10. | :09:20. | |
which came in in 2003 is responsible... The principle... ? It | :09:20. | :09:27. | |
I think it is workable. If you are not a British citizen, you are not | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
paying taxes as a student and so on, you leave again, you should pay for | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
your health care? The NHS should be better and more effective at | :09:36. | :09:41. | |
recouping the cost. You don't think it is an foe began stigmatising | :09:41. | :09:46. | |
foreigners? I don't think so. I'd like to see more foreign students. I | :09:46. | :09:52. | |
think it is a great shame that the immigration figures, that the Tory | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
led government have been putting downward pressure on students coming | :09:55. | :10:03. | |
here. The rest of the world want foreign students. But some of them | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
are going to the dodgy foreign language schools, which you allowed | :10:07. | :10:16. | |
to fester. When Diane Sabot -- Diane Abbott said, what price, xenophobia? | :10:16. | :10:22. | |
She is your shadow public health spokesman. She is wrong? You just | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
said you did not think it was xenophobic or stigmatising? I don't | :10:27. | :10:33. | |
think the principle of recouping the cost is xenophobic... She does.I | :10:33. | :10:38. | |
think she is referring to the fact that there have been some | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
Conservative MPs who have tried to blame this issue for other crises. | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
She was reacting immediately in the aftermath of Jeremy Hunt's interview | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
this morning, outlining the policy that our other guests just has. I | :10:51. | :10:58. | |
agree that you should recoup the cost. And she doesn't. The Shadow | :10:58. | :11:06. | |
Public Health Minister, the first time she has been quoted since she | :11:06. | :11:16. | |
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left This Week, said, what price xenophobia? Stigmatising foreigners | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
accessing NHS creates a public health risk. That would seem to be | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
an attack on the policy. There is a public health risk which you have | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
underlined, people could need treatment for TB and other diseases, | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
and if untreated, they could infect other people. How long is the | :11:33. | :11:43. | |
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consultation period? It will go into the autumn. There should be | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
something later in the year. Should we chalk one up for UKIP? | :11:48. | :11:50. | |
On Friday the European Union Referendum Bill has its second | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
reading in the House of Commons. The private member's bill, which is | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
backed by the Conservative leadership, seeks to commit the | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
Government to a referendum on Britain's memberbership of the EU in | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
2017, after a renegotiation of powers. And it poses a condundrum | :12:01. | :12:11. | |
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for Labour leader Ed Miliband. Here's Jo with more. | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
Everyone knows that David Cameron has problems with Euro rebels. | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
Splits in the Tory Party over Europe are almost what we've come to | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
expect. But there's also a growing question about what Labour should do | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
about Europe. Ed Miliband could face problems of his own, with competing | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
factions in his party backing different strategies. On Friday, MPs | :12:30. | :12:36. | |
have their first chance to vote on the Conservative Referendum Bill. | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
Labour complain the Bill is a Tory stunt, and whips have told | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
backbenchers not to bother turning up unless they're prepared to make a | :12:42. | :12:49. | |
supportive speech on Labour's position. But some in his party want | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
Miliband to commit to his own referendum. One plan is to promise a | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
vote within six months of the next election - well, before the Tories' | :12:56. | :13:01. | |
2017 timetable. There's even a radical option of demanding a | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
referendum before the election. It could be Labour - rather than the | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
Conservatives, for a change - who look to be most split on Europe. One | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
of the Labour MPs in favour of a referendum is John Cryer, and he | :13:14. | :13:23. | |
joins us live from Central Lobby now. John, when would you like the | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
in-out referendum? As soon as possible. You have to have this | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
decision got out of the way. There have been an awful lot of changes to | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
the European constitution and to our Constitution which have shifted | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
powers to Brussels. Nobody has had a say since 1975, and it is about time | :13:40. | :13:45. | |
they did. We should have a referendum as soon as possible. | :13:45. | :13:50. | |
in the minority in your party? wanting a referendum as soon as | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
possible, probably, but I think a growing number think it would be a | :13:54. | :13:59. | |
good idea. Even the euro supporters think the divide between Parliament | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
and the people is just unsustainable. The majority of them, | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
including Tories, are reasonably happy with the EU, or staying inside | :14:07. | :14:13. | |
the EU. Amongst voters, it is the other way round. You can't sustain | :14:13. | :14:19. | |
that. On Friday, will you vote with the Conservatives in defiance of | :14:19. | :14:25. | |
your whips? No. I will not turn up and vote, I will abstain. I think | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
the bill is a con, it has clearly been hatched by the Tory leadership. | :14:29. | :14:34. | |
It would give us a referendum on four or five years. In the meantime, | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
the Prime Minister says he will renegotiate membership. We all know, | :14:38. | :14:43. | |
including the Conservatives, that that will not happen. He will not | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
get any substantive powers back. I don't know why he doesn't have a | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
referendum as soon as possible. Ed Miliband change direction? How | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
likely is it that Labour could call for a referendum ahead of the | :14:56. | :15:04. | |
election? I suppose the bill could be amended to bring the date | :15:04. | :15:06. | |
forward, which I think would be a good thing. Your original question | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
was Will the Labour Party change its position? In my view, I think we | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
will. I am one of those who has said all along, even before David Cameron | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
made his original announcement, that we should be calling for a | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
referendum, and we should be promising that we will have one | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
after the next election, should we win power. Have you any support in | :15:26. | :15:32. | |
the shadow cabinet? I don't know. I don't go around canvassing opinion. | :15:32. | :15:38. | |
Maybe I should. I understand there are people in the shadow cabinet on | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
the front bench who are supportive of my position of others. I put | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
forward my arguments. I am not organising anything. I put them | :15:47. | :15:57. | |
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Do you think Labour will change its position before the election? | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
have been clear and consistent on this issue, unlike the Tories who | :16:03. | :16:10. | |
had a vote in 2011. I will come to him in a moment, tell me about your | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
priorities. We said it is the wrong priority at the wrong time. | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
Promising a referendum in four years' time creates economic | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
uncertainty for four years, could affect foreign investment and | :16:23. | :16:31. | |
therefore, jobs. Martin Sorrell, who is well known to be a Tory | :16:31. | :16:38. | |
supporter... He voted with Mr Blair. He tends to be more on the | :16:38. | :16:48. | |
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conservative side. It's his is simple question. I am asking you is | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
there any chance you would change your policy before the General | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
Election? We have said we don't want a referendum now and we don't | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
want one in four years' time. The Government should focus on the | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
economy. If you look at polling, people care more about the economy | :17:05. | :17:11. | |
than anything else. This Bill on Friday is a distraction. Can our | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
viewers concluded you want a change of policy before the election? | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
his two years to go before the election. I have set out our | :17:21. | :17:24. | |
position as it is now. I am asking is there any chance you will change | :17:24. | :17:32. | |
this before we go to the polls? will keep on the statute book, the | :17:32. | :17:40. | |
referendum mock. Secondly, Europe is in a state of great flux. The | :17:40. | :17:45. | |
argument is abating, but ongoing. We don't know what the dynamic will | :17:45. | :17:51. | |
be between those in the eurozone and the UK. Croatia is outside. | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
Let's see what happens with the dynamics of that relationship. | :17:55. | :18:00. | |
are keeping your options open? Are you telling me then, as a result of | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
the so-called dynamics between those within the eurozone and those | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
out of the eurozone, between now and 2015, you might change of | :18:10. | :18:16. | |
policy? I don't think it will change significantly. So you won't | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
change a policy? I do not expect us to. It would be silly to rule out | :18:21. | :18:30. | |
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something. You are keeping your options open. We need to make these | :18:31. | :18:35. | |
decisions on the national interest. What matters now, is when the | :18:35. | :18:41. | |
eurozone integration happens, but the UK still has a say in what | :18:41. | :18:46. | |
happens. This Bill is not worth the paper it is written on is it? After | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
the next election the new Parliament will decide if we will | :18:51. | :18:56. | |
have a referendum in 2017, not this Parliament. You cannot bind the | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
next Parliament? If this as past as law, the next Parliament will have | :19:00. | :19:07. | |
to vote down, which it can do. It will have to make a proactive | :19:07. | :19:12. | |
exercise to do that. It would set into law that we will have a | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
referendum in 2017. There would have to be further legislation | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
before a referendum. You would have to legislate for the referendum? | :19:21. | :19:28. | |
would have to go further, but it would require a new Parliament to | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
directly the vote down the bill that had been passed. In other | :19:31. | :19:36. | |
words it won't compel a Government to have a referendum in 2017, there | :19:36. | :19:44. | |
would have to be another vote. It would make it difficult for David | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
Cameron, if he were still to be Prime Minister ought for | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
Conservative Government, Labour and the Lib Dems could say, we want | :19:53. | :20:00. | |
another boat. It would be stated that the next Parliament would say | :20:00. | :20:07. | |
they want to change what is done in this Parliament. According to the | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
authorities, it would still require further legislation, if you past | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
this. The next Parliament would have to pass for the legislation? | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
The next Parliament would have to do more, but they would have to | :20:20. | :20:25. | |
underwrite to say they wouldn't do what they wouldn't do what was | :20:25. | :20:30. | |
passed in this Parliament. That implies that unless you have a vote | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
to undo it, it would happen automatically. It won't happen | :20:34. | :20:39. | |
automatically. The Commons authorities have stated, in order | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
for it to happen and to go ahead, there will still have to be | :20:43. | :20:49. | |
legislation? There will have to beat actions taken. They would have | :20:49. | :20:55. | |
to be proactive or reacted to stop it on the basis of the fact we are | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
initiating something in this Parliament. The Conservative Party | :20:58. | :21:02. | |
wants to give the people a say on Europe. It is a clear issue in the | :21:02. | :21:08. | |
country to have an open and frank discussion about Europe. I was born | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
in 1978 and I did not have a vote on Europe. We should look at how | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
Europe should be and in the meantime look at what powers we | :21:15. | :21:21. | |
need to take back. Another issue for the Labour Party is the unions. | :21:21. | :21:27. | |
His United trying to take over your party? No, the Labour Party grew | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
out of the trade union party. I think the Prime Minister needs to | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
be careful when he talks about trade union barons. There are lots | :21:36. | :21:41. | |
of working people across the country who are members of a trade | :21:41. | :21:46. | |
union survey get protection from unfair dismissal. Not many of them | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
are members of the Labour Party, individually. The some of them are. | :21:50. | :21:56. | |
Not many. The percentage of union members compared to the percentage | :21:56. | :22:02. | |
of Labour members is very small. Why have 12 Labour constituencies | :22:02. | :22:07. | |
been in special measures since 2005? This is a fatuous article in | :22:07. | :22:12. | |
the Times, which frankly does not deserve to be on the front page. | :22:12. | :22:19. | |
am not talking about the times. I am not linking anything. I am | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
asking you why, because the Times article, which I am not depending | :22:23. | :22:29. | |
on, because it fudged the timing, why have 12 neighbour | :22:29. | :22:37. | |
constituencies been in special measures since 20 -- 2005. Some of | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
those constituencies go back further than 2005. I know why you | :22:40. | :22:46. | |
are asking this question. There has been a problem in Falkirk. Ed | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
Miliband has been very decisive in putting a stop to what was | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
happening, because there were serious allegations of wrongdoing. | :22:55. | :23:00. | |
I am not asking about Falkirk. We know it is recently into special | :23:00. | :23:07. | |
measures. Special measures mean the constituency party is taken over by | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
the National Party and it is national officials who oversee it. | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
I would like to know the answer why these constituencies you put into | :23:15. | :23:21. | |
special measures into 2005 - knot Falkirk, why are they still in | :23:21. | :23:27. | |
special measures? There were problems in these constituencies. | :23:27. | :23:35. | |
You have had years to sort it out. The party has felt the need to | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
monitor what has happened over time. If we were not doing that, you | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
would be asking why we are not keeping a close eye on it. If you | :23:43. | :23:51. | |
do not know, that is fine. Is it right that a union like United | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
should be able to round up 100 people to join the Labour Party, | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
send the names to the Labour Party with a cheque from the union to pay | :24:00. | :24:07. | |
for their membership, is that right? I think it is wrong. It is a | :24:07. | :24:14. | |
one-member, one-vote. We read introduce that in the 1990s. If you | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
are a member of the Labour Party, you should make a personal | :24:17. | :24:22. | |
commitment. It is a one-member, one-vote in the selections. So you | :24:22. | :24:28. | |
are against it, that is clear. Now, travel to foreign places can | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
often be uncomfortable. There's getting over the language barrier, | :24:32. | :24:34. | |
acclimatising yourself to the weather and adapting to local | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
customs, as the Prime Minister found when he inspected a guard of | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
honour accompanied by a goose- stepping soldier on his trip to | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
Kazakhstan this week. But a good host always tries to make his | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
guests more comfortable, and what better way to make a Brit feel at | :24:47. | :24:57. | |
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First time I think we have done a year that I was not born. | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
It's coming up to midday here. Just take a look at Big Ben. That can | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
mean only one thing - Yes, Prime Minister's Questions is on its way. | :27:23. | :27:33. | |
And that's not all, Nick Robinson is here. Do we have moving pictures | :27:33. | :27:40. | |
for the year you were born! You are very brave! | :27:40. | :27:49. | |
You treated this morning -- outwitted. The press charter is | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
going to the Privy Council, but it is not the Government or the | :27:54. | :28:00. | |
opposition's Press Charter, it is the press's pressed charter? | :28:00. | :28:05. | |
Parliament agreed, or the party leaders agreed a common approach | :28:05. | :28:10. | |
for a new Royal charter to establish an organisation like the | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
BBC and other public bodies, to establish a new form of press | :28:15. | :28:21. | |
regulation. We all had to wait for the Privy Council, the advisers to | :28:21. | :28:25. | |
the Queen to sign things off, to actually make this happen. It was | :28:25. | :28:30. | |
supposed to go in May, it did not go. Everybody assumed it would go | :28:30. | :28:33. | |
to the next meeting of the Privy Council, and that his next | :28:33. | :28:42. | |
Wednesday. The victims of press abuse, people like JK Rowling, | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
Madeleine McCann's parents and others, said get on with it. But | :28:46. | :28:51. | |
the charter that will go before the Privy Council next week won't be | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
the one Parliament agreed, not the one the Prime Minister and the | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
Leader of the Opposition and Nick Clegg once, it will be the press's | :28:59. | :29:03. | |
rival proposal. It is not because it is about to become approved and | :29:03. | :29:07. | |
accepted, it is because the lawyers are saying, if you don't go through | :29:07. | :29:14. | |
the proper processes, there will be a massive court case in which the | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
newspapers of it down for many months. Is it the newspapers or the | :29:18. | :29:24. | |
Government that has put forward this charter? There are two rival | :29:24. | :29:32. | |
charters. Who has put forward the press one? It is the press who is | :29:32. | :29:39. | |
doing it? The people who used to run the old regulators. The | :29:39. | :29:42. | |
expectation is the Privy Council won't sign off on this, but the | :29:42. | :29:47. | |
view of the lawyer's, if you are a cynic you might think the | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
Government are playing for time, but it is the advice they are | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
getting. It is not enough for ministers to look at it and say, | :29:53. | :30:00. | |
forget that. But in legal jargon, this is a credible proposal for a | :30:00. | :30:03. | |
Royal charter so must go through every possible stage, even if it is | :30:03. | :30:10. | |
rejected. To prevent the judicial review? The legal challenge would | :30:10. | :30:16. | |
be that it is not a fairly and justly considered. Hacked off will | :30:16. | :30:26. | |
:30:26. | :30:28. | ||
be very hacked off. We had hacked off, we will have really, really | :30:28. | :30:33. | |
hacked off! More than ever before. They have a meeting with the | :30:33. | :30:38. | |
Culture Secretary this afternoon. They are treading carefully because | :30:38. | :30:43. | |
they regard the Culture Secretary as a target. We are now over to | :30:43. | :30:53. | |
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the best way to celebrate the 65th birthday of the NHS is for the | :31:07. | :31:14. | |
government to strip out the culture of secrecy, and for patient safety, | :31:14. | :31:19. | |
have health professionals back at the heart of the NHS? The way to | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
celebrate the 65th birthday of the NHS is to go on investing in it like | :31:23. | :31:27. | |
this government is, with an extra �12 billion, but also to be on the | :31:27. | :31:32. | |
side of patients. That is why we are introducing the Chief Inspector of | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
hospitals. We need to end the culture of secrecy and cover-up that | :31:36. | :31:46. | |
:31:46. | :31:46. | ||
we had under Labour. Mr Ed Miliband! | :31:46. | :31:51. | |
I am sure I speak for everyone when I say there is deep concern over | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
what we have witnessed in Egypt, including appalling violence and | :31:55. | :32:00. | |
deaths just one year on from free elections. Might I ask the Prime | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
Minister for assurances that all the appropriate steps are being taken to | :32:05. | :32:10. | |
guarantee the safety of UK nationals in that safety? I can give him that | :32:10. | :32:16. | |
assurance, and also to safeguard our embassy in Cairo. We are advising | :32:16. | :32:19. | |
British National Party against all but essential travel to Egypt, | :32:19. | :32:23. | |
except for the red Sea resorts, as set out on the foreign office | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
website. These are deeply disturbing scenes. The level of violence is | :32:27. | :32:32. | |
appalling. We should appeal to all sides to stop the levels of | :32:32. | :32:36. | |
violence, and particularly the sexual assaults. It is not for this | :32:36. | :32:41. | |
country to support any single group or party. We should support proper, | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
democratic processes and proper government by consent. I agree with | :32:45. | :32:50. | |
him, we all want to see a proper resolution to the present crisis. | :32:50. | :32:54. | |
Can he tell the house what work is being done, even at this late stage, | :32:55. | :33:00. | |
by the UK and the European Union, to encourage the Egyptian government to | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
secure a negotiated political solution to this crisis in advance | :33:04. | :33:11. | |
of today's Egyptian army deadline? Very clear messages have been sent | :33:11. | :33:20. | |
to President Morsi, Obama, who has spoken to him directly. -- very | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
clear messages have been sent to President Morsi, including by | :33:23. | :33:32. | |
President Obama , who has spoken to him directly. The government needs | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
to bring about peace and stability in that country. | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
I am grateful for his answer, and I know that he and the Foreign | :33:40. | :33:45. | |
Secretary will keep the house updated in the coming days. On | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
another subject, the country will need 240,000 extra primary school | :33:49. | :33:55. | |
places by 2014. Can he assure parents that this won't be met by | :33:55. | :34:00. | |
increasing class sizes? I can assure him that we put in | :34:00. | :34:04. | |
place, through the Spending Review, the additional money for 500 errors | :34:04. | :34:09. | |
and extra school places, so we should be able to provide those | :34:09. | :34:17. | |
school places without seeing an increase in classes. But class sizes | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
are rising. When the Labour government came to office, the | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
number of infants taught in class sizes over 30 was a quarter. When we | :34:25. | :34:31. | |
left, it was just 1.8%. It has doubled on his watch. That is the | :34:31. | :34:35. | |
reality for many parents. Under his plans, one third of new schools are | :34:35. | :34:40. | |
being built in areas where there are surplus places. Can he explain to | :34:40. | :34:42. | |
parents in areas where they are struggling to get children into | :34:42. | :34:47. | |
primary schools, why he is building schools where there are already | :34:47. | :34:54. | |
plenty of places? What he left is the biggest budget deficit in | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
Britain's peacetime history. We have had to make difficult decisions, | :34:59. | :35:05. | |
that is why we have cut welfare, but areas of spending. But an education, | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
we have made it a priority, and that is why the money going into schools | :35:09. | :35:16. | |
is going up and not down. That is why we are funding half a million | :35:16. | :35:19. | |
extra school places and why this government has built 200 new school | :35:19. | :35:26. | |
buildings. Now, he asks about new schools going in to different areas. | :35:26. | :35:34. | |
What that is code for is Labour's opposition to free schools. We want | :35:34. | :35:39. | |
more new good schools. Their policy is still the same as John | :35:39. | :35:44. | |
Prescott's. Remember that? The trouble with good schools is that | :35:44. | :35:49. | |
everyone wants to go to them. We want good schools but, as ever, his | :35:49. | :35:56. | |
questions are written by Len McCluskey of Unite. | :35:56. | :36:05. | |
Mr Speaker, as always, this Prime Minister has no answers to the | :36:05. | :36:11. | |
questions he is asked. If he won't answer me, maybe he'll answer David | :36:11. | :36:18. | |
Simons. He is the Conservative spokesman for the Local Government | :36:18. | :36:23. | |
Association. This is what he says. We know of schools that are | :36:23. | :36:28. | |
literally falling down and still have to compete with Rand new-builds | :36:28. | :36:33. | |
down the road. In other words, in areas where there are surplus | :36:33. | :36:37. | |
places. Isn't the truth that while he is pouring millions of pounds | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
into building new schools where there are already places, the only | :36:41. | :36:47. | |
way he will meet the shortage in other areas is teaching kids in | :36:47. | :36:53. | |
Portakabins and increasing class sizes? The last Labour government | :36:53. | :36:55. | |
cut primary school places. Let me tell him what his government is | :36:55. | :37:02. | |
doing. The education capital budget is �21 billion over the next six | :37:02. | :37:07. | |
years. That is what we are doing. What is so interesting is that he is | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
taking his script from the trade unions, who don't like choice, they | :37:12. | :37:16. | |
don't like new schools, they don't like free schools. They want to | :37:16. | :37:21. | |
control everything. What we know is one organisation they have got | :37:21. | :37:25. | |
control. We see it in black and white - they have taken control of | :37:25. | :37:34. | |
the Labour. Mr Speaker, I am speaking for | :37:34. | :37:44. | |
:37:44. | :37:46. | ||
parents up and down this country. The usual very low grade, very | :37:46. | :37:48. | |
substandard, very unnecessary heckling. If the question that mad | :37:48. | :37:54. | |
recession has two run longer, it will. Let's try to retain some | :37:54. | :37:58. | |
decorum which the public can respect. | :37:58. | :38:05. | |
And let's have a debate about ethics. He gave a tax cut to his | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
Christmas card list, he brought Andy Coulson into the heart of Downing | :38:09. | :38:16. | |
Street. The idea that he is lecturing us about ethics takes a | :38:16. | :38:18. | |
double standards to a whole new level. | :38:18. | :38:26. | |
Now, in this one policy on schools, we see the hallmark of this | :38:26. | :38:31. | |
government. They make the wrong choices on tax and spending. The | :38:31. | :38:36. | |
millionaires tax cuts, the top-down we organisation of the NHS and | :38:36. | :38:41. | |
schools in areas with surplus places. All the time, they repeat | :38:41. | :38:47. | |
the meaningless mantra, we all this together. | :38:47. | :38:51. | |
He goes up and down the country speaking for Len McCluskey. No | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
wonder the former Home Secretary calls them the party of the | :38:55. | :39:01. | |
graveyard. The fact is, I have got it here, I have got the press | :39:01. | :39:06. | |
release, how Unite plans to change the Labour Party. I know you are | :39:06. | :39:11. | |
paid to shout by Unite, but calmed down a bit! This is what it says. We | :39:11. | :39:16. | |
give millions to the party. The relationship has to change. We want | :39:16. | :39:23. | |
a firm E class -based and left-wing general election campaign. He is too | :39:24. | :39:27. | |
weak to sack his Health Secretary, to stand up for free schools, to | :39:27. | :39:33. | |
stand up to the Unite union, too weak to run Labour and certainly too | :39:33. | :39:43. | |
:39:43. | :39:51. | ||
New rules mean my constituents have to register individually if they | :39:51. | :39:56. | |
want to vote to stop electoral fraud. Does he think the same rules | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
should apply to joining a political party? I think she is absolutely | :40:01. | :40:06. | |
right. Individual voter registration is a major step forward. Frankly, we | :40:06. | :40:11. | |
have a situation where we have one of our political parties where it | :40:11. | :40:14. | |
has become apparent that votes are being bought, people are being | :40:14. | :40:20. | |
signed up without consent, all done by the man, let McCluskey, who gave | :40:20. | :40:30. | |
:40:30. | :40:34. | ||
him his job. Demand for food banks is 30,000 | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
households -- was 30,000 households in media before the general | :40:37. | :40:43. | |
election, 350,000 households last year. Will the Prime Minister | :40:43. | :40:46. | |
acknowledged that rocketing demand for food bank shows we have a | :40:46. | :40:52. | |
problem? I am sure as a member of Unite, he will want to look very | :40:52. | :40:58. | |
carefully at his own constituency Labour Party. Who knows how many | :40:58. | :41:03. | |
people they have bought and put on the register? Food bank use went up | :41:03. | :41:08. | |
ten times under Labour. That is what happened. This government is helping | :41:08. | :41:13. | |
working people by freezing the council tax, giving 24 million | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
people a tax cut and taking 2.4 million of the poorest people out of | :41:17. | :41:25. | |
tax. The Prime Minister will be aware of the recent terrible | :41:25. | :41:29. | |
stabbings in my Shipley constituted which led to the death of an | :41:29. | :41:35. | |
84-year-old woman and a serious injury to a nine-year old boy | :41:35. | :41:38. | |
playing in the park. Will he join me in praising the police for the | :41:38. | :41:43. | |
swiftness of making arrests in this particular case, but also in | :41:43. | :41:46. | |
supporting the local community and congratulating them on their | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
steadfastness and community spirit, which has helped this community get | :41:50. | :41:57. | |
through a very, very traumatic period? I certainly join the | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
honourable member. These were truly shocking events and reading about | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
them, particularly the young boy who staggered out of the park bleeding, | :42:04. | :42:08. | |
having been stabbed, and reading about the grandmother described as | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
so much of a community member that they were seen as everybody's | :42:12. | :42:17. | |
grandmother is truly disturbing. I join him in his praise, and we must | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
make sure that justice is to. The government has promised that by | :42:20. | :42:27. | |
2016, no one will have to pay more than �72,000 towards the cost of | :42:27. | :42:33. | |
that personal care. I don't know whether he has read an article in | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
the Financial Times on Saturday which says that the cap will not be | :42:36. | :42:40. | |
an actual costs, but eligible costs. They will not include the | :42:40. | :42:44. | |
cost of people meeting moderate care needs, nor all the costs incurred in | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
going into a private residential home. Isn't this another example of | :42:48. | :42:51. | |
him promising to do one thing and planning something completely | :42:51. | :42:57. | |
different? We are introducing what was debated | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
and discussed in this house in terms of those cost that will be covered, | :43:00. | :43:06. | |
and those that will not. The party opposite had 13 years to cap the | :43:06. | :43:10. | |
cost of care, to do something about the rising cost of social care, and | :43:10. | :43:16. | |
did precisely nothing. May I congratulate the government on | :43:16. | :43:20. | |
achieving political agreement for the next round of reform? That might | :43:20. | :43:26. | |
I make a plea, that proper time be taken to agreed implementation, to | :43:26. | :43:30. | |
ensure a level playing field and a fair deal for Britain and our | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
farmers? The honourable lady is right. We | :43:34. | :43:38. | |
have a good deal over the common agricultural policy. We need to | :43:38. | :43:43. | |
listen to farmers about concerns so they are not disadvantaged as | :43:43. | :43:47. | |
against other countries, and we need to take time to introduce the new | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
system. When the last system, in terms of the single farm payments, | :43:51. | :43:55. | |
was introduced so quickly, we suffered large fines from Europe as | :43:55. | :44:01. | |
a result. She is extremely wise. Minister aware of the rather | :44:01. | :44:06. | |
disturbing commitment, which was given yesterday by his Chancellor, | :44:06. | :44:10. | |
that he will continue to interfere and intervene in the affairs of the | :44:10. | :44:16. | |
Royal Bank of Scotland on behalf of the taxpayer? Is he aware that in | :44:16. | :44:24. | |
his last intervention the completely irresponsible behaviour has cost the | :44:24. | :44:29. | |
British taxpayer �4.5 billion in the loss of value of the shareholding. | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
Pity instructors Chancellor to desist from any such intervention in | :44:33. | :44:40. | |
the future? -- could he instructed his Chancellor to desist? | :44:40. | :44:48. | |
I know he has experience of lending money! | :44:48. | :44:52. | |
It is very important that the government stands up for the | :44:52. | :44:55. | |
taxpayer and makes sure that the Royal Bank of Scotland has the right | :44:55. | :45:00. | |
strategy and leadership going ahead so that they get the money put by | :45:00. | :45:10. | |
:45:10. | :45:13. | ||
the last government into the banks Two days ago saw the start of | :45:13. | :45:19. | |
independent retailer month. Does he agree we need to do more to keep | :45:19. | :45:24. | |
independent shops vital question marks on this issue I agree with | :45:24. | :45:30. | |
the honourable gentleman. He speaks for a lot of Britain, and that is a | :45:30. | :45:35. | |
we should be looking at our town centres, looking after what we can | :45:35. | :45:39. | |
do to back our town centres. We should be looking at the rate | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
system and how it works. We should also be looking at a planning | :45:43. | :45:48. | |
system and how we can use change of use and we should work with local | :45:48. | :45:52. | |
authorities who want to see the town centres succeed. It is a vital | :45:52. | :46:01. | |
issue for towns of and down our country and it has our full backing. | :46:01. | :46:05. | |
I enjoyed my recent visit to the Nissan factory in Sunderland for | :46:05. | :46:10. | |
the first of the mass market electric vehicle which will support | :46:10. | :46:15. | |
over 500 jobs at the plant and 200 across the car industry. I look | :46:15. | :46:20. | |
forward to visiting the North East again soon. When the Prime Minister | :46:20. | :46:24. | |
next visit the region he will seek the key issue facing the region is | :46:24. | :46:29. | |
unemployment. There are over 20 applicants for every advertised | :46:29. | :46:33. | |
vacancy and his policy of local enterprise partnerships and | :46:33. | :46:38. | |
enterprise zones is not making the same effective impact on the | :46:38. | :46:44. | |
region's economy as the development agency did. Will he consider the | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
appointment of a minister to work with the local enterprise | :46:47. | :46:50. | |
partnerships and the individual members of Parliament for the | :46:50. | :46:56. | |
region, to push forward the private sector employment agenda? Ministers | :46:56. | :47:01. | |
do work with the enterprise zones. Let me give him the figures. | :47:01. | :47:05. | |
Obviously we want to see more, but employment in the North East is up | :47:05. | :47:10. | |
by 9,000 since the election. The North East private sector jobs are | :47:10. | :47:15. | |
up 37,000. It is not just the success at Nissan, we have Hitachi | :47:15. | :47:19. | |
committed to building the new train building plant in County Durham. | :47:19. | :47:25. | |
That will bring 700 jobs. We have the new tunnel which opened in 2011, | :47:25. | :47:30. | |
extra money going into the Tyne and Wear Metro. All of those things can | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
make a difference. And in his own constituency, the youth claimant | :47:34. | :47:41. | |
count has fallen by 4% over the last year. Will the Prime Minister | :47:41. | :47:46. | |
take the opportunity on his next visit to promote apprenticeships | :47:46. | :47:48. | |
and the support Government is giving to them among North East | :47:48. | :47:53. | |
businesses, and will he pressed the Ministry of Transport to get on | :47:53. | :47:59. | |
with the job of doing it? The last time I was in the north-east I made | :47:59. | :48:03. | |
a speech about apprenticeships. It is remarkable the number of people | :48:03. | :48:07. | |
who started apprenticeships under this Government. I can tell him in | :48:07. | :48:12. | |
terms of the transport issue he raises, is actually we are funding | :48:12. | :48:17. | |
feasibility studies into fixing problems on the road north of | :48:17. | :48:23. | |
Newcastle to Scotland, and the Newcastle Gateshead bypass. We are | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
improving the a 19 between Newcastle and South Shields. This | :48:26. | :48:30. | |
is a much better record than the party opposite, even though they | :48:30. | :48:34. | |
had a Prime Minister who came from the north-east. They never did what | :48:34. | :48:40. | |
we are proposing. Given the Prime Minister is so keen to talk about | :48:40. | :48:45. | |
infrastructure investments, can he explain why his Government has cut | :48:45. | :48:51. | |
capital investment again in 2015, 16 by nearly �1 billion? I have to | :48:52. | :48:56. | |
say to the honourable lady, she is wrong. If she looks at the figures | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
and take the plan as a Labour had for this Parliament, we have added | :48:59. | :49:04. | |
to those plans. We have increased the amount of capital spending. But | :49:04. | :49:09. | |
if you come to this House and you oppose changes on welfare, you | :49:09. | :49:13. | |
oppose cuts to Government programmes, you oppose the of this | :49:13. | :49:16. | |
and she changes it you are making, they have not supported a single | :49:16. | :49:21. | |
cut. It you do all of those things, there is no way you would have any | :49:21. | :49:25. | |
capital spending at all. That is the problem with the weakness from | :49:25. | :49:29. | |
the Labour front bench, because they have not taken any tough | :49:29. | :49:32. | |
decisions they cannot support the capital spenders To this country | :49:32. | :49:38. | |
needs. Can the Prime Minister confirm reports from Jordan a new | :49:38. | :49:42. | |
treaty has been signed and this country could have the pleasure of | :49:42. | :49:50. | |
seeing the back off Abu Qatada this week? I can confirm this treaty has | :49:50. | :49:54. | |
taken through both the Jordanian Parliament and also our own. I | :49:54. | :49:58. | |
don't want to say anything that in any way could stop what we all want | :49:58. | :50:03. | |
to happen, happening. When the Government tried to go workers to | :50:03. | :50:06. | |
exchange their rights for shares, we were told 6,000 businesses would | :50:06. | :50:13. | |
sign up. In the event only six have shown an interest. Not 600 or 60, | :50:13. | :50:19. | |
but six, what went wrong? programme has not started yet. It | :50:19. | :50:23. | |
starts in September. It is a programme that has been praised by | :50:23. | :50:28. | |
the Institute of Directors, praised by the CBI, praised by the | :50:28. | :50:33. | |
Federation of Small Businesses. Of course it has not been praised by | :50:33. | :50:36. | |
of the United unions. He is a member of the unite unions so he | :50:36. | :50:43. | |
has to stick to their script. What a sad day for democracy. Question | :50:43. | :50:53. | |
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Number Ten. I very much for, I look forward to visiting Bury and I | :50:56. | :51:02. | |
always take special time to look at the statue of Sir Robert Peel. | :51:02. | :51:09. | |
Whenever the Prime Minister does find time to sample the delights of | :51:09. | :51:14. | |
a Bury, Ramsbottom and Tottington again, will he join me in meeting | :51:14. | :51:19. | |
some of the hundreds of local small businesses and charities who will | :51:19. | :51:26. | |
be �2,000 a year better off from next April, because of the new | :51:26. | :51:30. | |
employment allowance which will cost employers and National | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
Insurance contributions, giving them an incentive to create genuine | :51:33. | :51:38. | |
new jobs? I think my honourable friend is absolutely right. You can | :51:38. | :51:43. | |
walk down any high street in any town in Britain and point out to | :51:43. | :51:47. | |
shopkeepers and businesses, if they do employ people they will see a | :51:48. | :51:51. | |
�2,000 reduction in their National Insurance bill. If they don't | :51:51. | :51:56. | |
employed people, they can take people on and not pay National | :51:56. | :52:00. | |
Insurance. It is only possible because of the tough decisions this | :52:00. | :52:05. | |
Government has taken on spending and welfare. It was never backed by | :52:05. | :52:09. | |
the party opposite but it demonstrate we are on the side of | :52:09. | :52:13. | |
people who want to get on. Prime Minister's deputy party | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
leader in Scotland is describing the UK Government's scaremongering | :52:17. | :52:21. | |
about independence as silly, whilst one of his key donors in Scotland | :52:21. | :52:26. | |
is describing it as puerile, and a leading commentator says it is | :52:26. | :52:33. | |
tripe. Given the Prime Minister is in charge of UK For -- fear for the | :52:33. | :52:38. | |
UK Government, will he ditched this tripe? I was asked this question | :52:38. | :52:44. | |
yesterday. I will give a different but similar answer, which is if you | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
look at the information being produced by this Government on what | :52:47. | :52:52. | |
would happen in terms of Scottish independence, I think it is | :52:52. | :52:58. | |
impartial, extremely powerful and sensible. The fact is, the Scottish | :52:58. | :53:02. | |
nationalists are using the argument. They are losing the arguments on | :53:02. | :53:06. | |
jobs, losing the argument on the economy and losing the argument on | :53:06. | :53:11. | |
the influence Scotland will have on the world. Bring on the arguments, | :53:11. | :53:19. | |
because you are losing the battle. We have raised over �10,000 for | :53:19. | :53:23. | |
local and a underprivileged children's. I'm sure the Prime | :53:23. | :53:28. | |
Minister will join me in praising these local voluntary clubs in the | :53:28. | :53:32. | |
community. It is in stark contrast to the kind of institution we tried | :53:32. | :53:41. | |
to block via political influence... My honourable friend is right. It | :53:41. | :53:45. | |
is an honour I am an honorary member of my local Rotary Club. | :53:45. | :53:49. | |
They are unimportant part of the big society, they do an excellent | :53:49. | :53:53. | |
job and they don't go round hoovering up members by making | :53:53. | :54:01. | |
single payments from trade unions in order to buy influence. In March, | :54:01. | :54:05. | |
the climate change minister said, I wouldn't be sleeping if we did not | :54:05. | :54:09. | |
have 10,000 signed up to the green deal by the end of the year. Given | :54:09. | :54:13. | |
that only four households have signed on the dotted line, is that | :54:13. | :54:23. | |
:54:23. | :54:24. | ||
Len McClusky is false as well? -- fault. He is wrong about the | :54:24. | :54:29. | |
figures for stomp of 37,000 households have had assessments and | :54:29. | :54:37. | |
over 5,000 have had their boy has changed. Of course, I sorry I | :54:37. | :54:40. | |
missed out the honourable member have received sponsorship from the | :54:40. | :54:46. | |
unite Union. Oh you don't! I suspect he ought to go through his | :54:46. | :54:50. | |
constituency Records, checked the members are still alive, that it | :54:50. | :54:55. | |
might be a good start. The Prime Minister has won much praise for | :54:55. | :54:59. | |
his work on dealing with tax avoidance, but some people have | :54:59. | :55:04. | |
called him hypocritical, what does he say to that? What is | :55:04. | :55:08. | |
hypocritical is to take donations from a donor in the form of shares | :55:08. | :55:12. | |
in order to avoid taxes. That is what the Labour Party has done. | :55:12. | :55:16. | |
They should pay back the �700,000 to the taxpayer and that money | :55:16. | :55:23. | |
should be going towards schools and hospitals. That is Labour's shame. | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
Can the Prime Minister confirmed the laces work programme figures | :55:26. | :55:31. | |
show it is missing every single one of its minimum performance | :55:31. | :55:36. | |
standards? The honourable lady is asking about the work programme. | :55:36. | :55:43. | |
The fact is it has 312,000 people into work. 60% of the people going | :55:43. | :55:47. | |
into the work programme are coming off benefits and while the unite | :55:47. | :55:51. | |
Union and the members opposite might not want to hear this, and | :55:51. | :55:56. | |
while it might not be part of Len McClusky's script, this programme | :55:56. | :56:03. | |
is twice as good as the flexible New Deal. As a doctor who once had | :56:03. | :56:10. | |
to listen incredulously to a patient at explain via a translator | :56:10. | :56:14. | |
or that she only discovered she was nine months pregnant on arrival at | :56:14. | :56:19. | |
Heathrow Airport, I was pleased to hear the statement on health | :56:19. | :56:23. | |
tourism today. Does the Prime Minister agreed that although | :56:23. | :56:28. | |
savings are modest, the principal matters. The health service should | :56:28. | :56:31. | |
be national and not international? I think my honourable friend makes | :56:31. | :56:36. | |
an important point. It is a National Health Service and not | :56:36. | :56:40. | |
internationals. British families pay around �5,000 in year in taxes | :56:40. | :56:45. | |
to pay for the NHS. It is bright but those who don't have a right to | :56:45. | :56:48. | |
use the NHS gets properly charged for it. We have made this | :56:48. | :56:55. | |
announcement and I hope there will be all-party support for it, but | :56:55. | :57:02. | |
Labour's health minister has condemned it as xenophobic. | :57:02. | :57:06. | |
bedroom tax is turning into a disaster in constituencies like | :57:06. | :57:11. | |
mine. Families are moving out of good quality, social housing and | :57:11. | :57:16. | |
into the private rented sector at a cost to the taxpayer. Three and | :57:16. | :57:21. | |
four-bedroom houses are standing empty and classed as hard to let. | :57:21. | :57:24. | |
We have pensioners approaching me saying they want to downside but | :57:24. | :57:30. | |
they can't because priorities go to families. Is this not turning into | :57:30. | :57:35. | |
a disaster for the taxpayer? What this is his first for the taxpayer. | :57:35. | :57:38. | |
We don't give a spare room subsidy for people in private sector | :57:39. | :57:43. | |
accommodation, so we shouldn't give a spare room subsidy for people in | :57:43. | :57:48. | |
council accommodation. The question now is for the party opposite. We | :57:48. | :57:54. | |
have decided to remove the spare room subsidy, they now say they | :57:54. | :57:58. | |
support of spending changes. Is that still the case or are they | :57:58. | :58:03. | |
committed to repealing this? Absolutely no answer. The shocking | :58:03. | :58:07. | |
abuse that was revealed in Winterbourne view and by operation | :58:07. | :58:11. | |
Jasmin in Wales has revealed a gap in the law which means that whilst | :58:11. | :58:15. | |
the staff get prosecuted, the organisations are never corporate | :58:15. | :58:19. | |
LEA accountable. Will a Prime Minister meet with me and a small | :58:19. | :58:23. | |
delegation to discuss how we can plug this gap in the law and ensure | :58:24. | :58:28. | |
there is proper accountability for abuse and neglect? I am happy to | :58:28. | :58:32. | |
meet with him about this issue because it is important. In the | :58:32. | :58:36. | |
Francis report there were a number of recommendations about duties of | :58:36. | :58:39. | |
care and the duty of candour we need to put in place. I am keen to | :58:40. | :58:45. | |
make sure we get this done. Royal charter approved by this | :58:45. | :58:49. | |
House, still not been sent to the Privy Council when it should have | :58:49. | :58:53. | |
been in May. Will he assured his house and the victims that he won't | :58:53. | :58:58. | |
do a deal with certain newspapers to further watered down the | :58:58. | :59:02. | |
recommendations? What I will save to the right honourable gentleman, | :59:02. | :59:07. | |
we have to follow the correct legal processes. The legal advice we have | :59:07. | :59:10. | |
shared with the Leader of the Opposition is we have to take these | :59:10. | :59:14. | |
things in order. We have to take the press Royal charter proposal | :59:14. | :59:18. | |
first, then we have to bring forward the Royal Charter of which | :59:18. | :59:23. | |
we have all agreed. The press's Royal Charter has some serious | :59:23. | :59:33. | |
:59:33. | :59:33. | ||
shortcomings, so I have not changed my view. Mr Speaker... | :59:33. | :59:39. | |
gentleman wanted to be called, I have called him. I am most grateful, | :59:39. | :59:49. | |
:59:49. | :59:53. | ||
Mr Speaker. Given a selection of Parliamentary candidates is a | :59:53. | :59:59. | |
legitimate concern of this House, will have Prime Minister agree with | :59:59. | :00:02. | |
me that the voting irregularities in the Falkirk constituency should | :00:02. | :00:08. | |
be looked at as a matter of urgency? Order, order. The question | :00:08. | :00:14. | |
is about apart the matter, not Government responsibility. Not a | :00:14. | :00:20. | |
matter for the Prime Minister. A complete waste of time. Mr Peter | :00:20. | :00:26. | |
Bone. Mr Speaker, the all-party group against human trafficking has | :00:26. | :00:30. | |
raised the awareness of modern-day slavery to a greater level. I am | :00:30. | :00:36. | |
delighted to report last night, 150 members of this House and the other | :00:36. | :00:40. | |
house, attended the AGM. It is a credit to the Prime Minister's | :00:40. | :00:45. | |
personal commitment to this. Would he consider, and perhaps in the | :00:45. | :00:51. | |
next Queen's Speech having a modern slavery Act? I pay tribute to the | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
honourable member for the consistent work he has done on this | :00:54. | :00:59. | |
vital issues. It is important we wipe out a modern-day slavery and I | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
enjoyed going to meet with him and other members, in the House of | :01:02. | :01:07. | |
Commons, in order to see just how bad the situation is. We are | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
looking at legislative options and I will be chairing a committee | :01:10. | :01:16. | |
across Government to look at what more could be done. Glenda Jackson. | :01:16. | :01:20. | |
One of my constituents and her three-year-old child have become | :01:20. | :01:26. | |
homeless fleeing the most heinous domestic violence. And now, despite | :01:26. | :01:30. | |
a legally living and working in this country for four years, | :01:30. | :01:35. | |
immigration technicality has made them destitute. Will the Prime | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
Minister please examine this legislation and its possibly | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
unintended consequences, so in future no woman and her child may | :01:42. | :01:48. | |
suffer a double abuse? I am happy to look at the individual case the | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
honourable lady raises. It is linked to the last question about | :01:51. | :01:57. | |
modern-day slavery, were sometimes immigration rules have caused | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
slavery -- difficulty for those who want to flee the people keeping | :02:01. | :02:11. | |
:02:11. | :02:11. | ||
Apology for the loss of subtitles for 81 seconds | :02:11. | :03:03. | |
Inspectors were told not to serve his problems because it was | :03:03. | :03:09. | |
embarrassing for the Government. Was it his conception when he set | :03:09. | :03:19. | |
:03:19. | :03:54. | ||
Labour members took over. A pretty lively Prime Minister's | :03:54. | :04:04. | |
:04:04. | :04:05. | ||
Questions come to an end. Ed Miliband asked about Egypt, it did | :04:05. | :04:11. | |
not get us very far, but at least he did it. He then moved on to schools, | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
drawing a contrast between the areas of the country short of primary | :04:16. | :04:21. | |
school places than those which had 20 but were still adding the | :04:21. | :04:26. | |
government support for free schools to these areas. -- those which had | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
plenty. There were about eight mentions of Len McCluskey from the | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
Prime Minister. That was interesting, he is not an MP, he is | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
leader of the Unite union. But Mr Cameron has been reading his focus | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
groups and he thinks this plays rather well. He managed to shoo | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
homeland McCluskey into virtually every answer. The Speaker got upset | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
because many of the questions were not about government policy or the | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
Prime Minister. -- he managed to shoehorn Len McCluskey into | :04:57. | :05:02. | |
virtually every answer. Michael Murray, an e-mail, said, | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
will Mr Cameron ever give direct answers to direct questions? If he | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
does not know the answers, why is he Prime Minister? Jeffrey says that Ed | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
Miliband has showed why he cannot be trusted - opposing choice, freedom | :05:16. | :05:22. | |
and free schools. One viewer said, surely it is time the Prime Minister | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
thought about his constant vilifying of the trade unions. It is not | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
right. Ian Whiteley says that he started of statesmanlike over Egypt, | :05:31. | :05:37. | |
then it descended into a slanging match. Dave got in plenty of digs | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
overland McCluskey and Unite but Ed skewered him up -- about bringing in | :05:41. | :05:47. | |
Andy Coulston. Mr Winston says, the Prime Minister certainly hammered Ed | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
Miliband and it is clear there is growing confidence on the Tory | :05:50. | :05:56. | |
backbenchers, but Martin said that the preplanned mantra about Labour | :05:56. | :06:01. | |
being controlled by the unions is hypocritical, taking early when you | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
consider David Cameron taking the side of the press barons during the | :06:04. | :06:09. | |
Leveson Inquiry and the influence of big business. Crispin in | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
Chesterfield says that David Cameron keeps banging on about the unions, | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
but who is pulling his strings when it comes to delaying new press | :06:16. | :06:22. | |
regulation? He came out saying he did not like | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
the press charter, which was interesting. Am I right in thinking | :06:25. | :06:30. | |
that those around Mr Cameron in the Government at the moment and his | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
political strategists think that Labour are on the defensive? They | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
are on a roll. There is something striking happening, which you can | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
see in Prime Minister's Question Time. Week after week, the Tory | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
awkward squad, will to want to get rid of David Cameron, they were | :06:47. | :06:53. | |
awkward in public, they would attack on it like or him. Now, two or three | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
of him lobbed him a soft ball so that he could attack Labour and the | :06:57. | :07:03. | |
trade unions. There are two separate things going on. Tory strategists | :07:03. | :07:10. | |
believe that on the issue of the Unite union's influence, they can | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
portray Ed Miliband as weak. The speaker would have pulled up at some | :07:14. | :07:21. | |
months ago. He would have said, you are not supposed to ask questions in | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
opposition, you are not supposed to this for partisan propaganda. Yet | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
the Speaker let him get away with it. The second thing going on is a | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
sense that the Tory family is briefly, at least, coming together. | :07:31. | :07:38. | |
That is partly due to the Europe bill coming up later this week. On | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
Friday, they can vote on the referendum. One thing I can tell | :07:41. | :07:46. | |
you, which I don't think has been out there yet, is the Prime Minister | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
is inviting you. Have you had your invite? He will have a barbecue for | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
every current dividend MP inside Downing Street. There will be a | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
family photo for every Conservative MP on the green bench of Downing | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
Street. And a special meeting with the Prime Minister and strategists. | :08:02. | :08:07. | |
In other words, they are using this bill to get everybody to Westminster | :08:07. | :08:14. | |
and pull together, have a festival, a Tory party party! There will be a | :08:14. | :08:21. | |
photograph on the green benches. Sounds like party management to me. | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
So what? You might say. Forgive me if I have said this before, people | :08:25. | :08:31. | |
forget that politics is a tribal sport, a team game. Whether morale | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
is good or bad does not secure you an election, but, rightly or | :08:35. | :08:43. | |
wrongly, Tory morale is high. that? If the recovery is under way, | :08:43. | :08:49. | |
it is barely perceptible among most voters. The coalition has not been | :08:49. | :08:55. | |
the happiest of parties in recent months or years. Why is Labour | :08:55. | :09:00. | |
feeling on the defensive and the Tories have a spring in their step? | :09:00. | :09:06. | |
I don't feel we are on the defensive. I think the tale about | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
the barbecue on Friday night tells us what is really behind Friday 's | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
European debate, and that is the Prime Minister trying to manage his | :09:13. | :09:19. | |
own party. All prime ministers do that. Two it is an occasion for him | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
to say that the Lib Dems are against this and we are for it, it is an | :09:23. | :09:28. | |
occasion for him to try to unite his party around that one issue. On the | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
substance of whether we should be in or out of Europe, there are deep | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
divisions within the Tory party. I think it is a convenient device for | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
him on Friday to try to unite his party. How long it will last, I | :09:41. | :09:50. | |
don't know. We have been consistently ahead in the polls | :09:50. | :09:56. | |
since the disastrous Budget of last year. White bag not by much. Now we | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
have fixed term Parliaments, which I am in favour of, because I think it | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
was a farce when there was always a question of, will the Prime Minister | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
call an election or not? We have started the process of setting out | :10:09. | :10:15. | |
our alternative, but we are doing it in a thoughtful and considered way. | :10:15. | :10:20. | |
I think we are on the front foot. At the start of June, we had a very | :10:20. | :10:26. | |
strong start to the Parliamentary session with speeches by Ed Balls | :10:26. | :10:31. | |
and Ed Miliband. The latest polls have shown that your leaders down to | :10:31. | :10:37. | |
5%. At this stage in the run-up to the 1997 election, you were points | :10:37. | :10:45. | |
ahead. It was a very different time. Yes, Labour was well ahead! | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
there was also an unpopular Conservative Government of many | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
years. The Conservatives did not get the majority at the last election, | :10:53. | :11:03. | |
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obviously we. Did not win either, so we are at a much closer pegging. | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
Aren't they overplaying Len McCluskey? He mentioned him eight | :11:06. | :11:12. | |
times, he drags him in. If you asked him about the weather, he would | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
probably blame it, and also the bedroom tax, an Unite. Despite all | :11:16. | :11:24. | |
the bankrolling of Labour, Len McCluskey and his union have been | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
remarkably unsuccessful in getting their candidates chosen. That is the | :11:27. | :11:35. | |
real story in the Labour Party. not sure that is true. I was elected | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
by an open primary, and I find it deeply distasteful, and other unions | :11:39. | :11:49. | |
:11:49. | :11:50. | ||
find this as well, that unions can be selecting Labour MPs. How many | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
prospective candidates has Unite forced onto a Labour constituency? | :11:54. | :12:01. | |
Two there was an example in Falkirk. But they did not win. And in | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
Brighton a candidate strongly backed by the unions was selected. | :12:06. | :12:11. | |
issue is how many are they on a roll? How many have Unite forced | :12:11. | :12:17. | |
onto a Labour constituency? There is a clear trend that those candidate | :12:17. | :12:23. | |
strongly backed by the unions tended to win, sometimes regardless of what | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
is independent commentators thought of their performance. There is not | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
evidence for that. I have been through an open Labour Party | :12:31. | :12:39. | |
selection, I was the only woman on a shortlist of eight. There was a | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
heavily union backed candidate and I beat them. Obviously there are trade | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
union members in my own membership who sometimes favour the trade union | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
backed candidate, and sometimes do not. But there are some people in Ed | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
Miliband's own frontbench who are publicly expressing their run | :12:55. | :13:01. | |
happiness. Jim Murphy said they, meaning Unite, can't bully and get | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
their way within the Labour Party. There is a row taking place in | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
private that has basically emerged in public. If you are political | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
party, that is a gift when your opponents do that, when they row | :13:14. | :13:20. | |
with each other. In my role as health minister I engage with the | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
unions, and there is clearly disquiet from the unions about the | :13:24. | :13:31. | |
strength and power of Unite in the Labour Party. What are the unions? | :13:31. | :13:37. | |
When you see that, for example, Unison, which is more moderate, I | :13:37. | :13:44. | |
believe, than Unite, have much less they say. The Labour Party as a | :13:44. | :13:50. | |
party has traditionally had brought union backing. But now one union is | :13:50. | :13:55. | |
beginning to buy votes in the process. Unison have complained | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
about Unite being too powerful? I would not say they have direct | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
complained, but you can pick up background disquiet from union | :14:03. | :14:13. | |
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members. Tom Watson, a key figure in your party, a big union man. Has he | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
got too much power when it comes to choosing candidates? Tom Watson is | :14:20. | :14:25. | |
in the position he is in because he is a tremendous campaign in his own | :14:25. | :14:30. | |
constituency. We are both in the Black Country. Has he too much | :14:30. | :14:37. | |
power? In the 1990s, we introduced one member, one vote. We will do all | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
we can to make sure that this is fair and transparent. I am | :14:41. | :14:47. | |
determined, as a Labour MP, that the people up for election in 2015 have | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
had the backing of their local party. It is really important that | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
that happens. Ed Miliband has been very decisive when it came to | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
Falkirk. The party stepped in and stop the process, froze the | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
membership so that only members who joined from March of last year were | :15:04. | :15:09. | |
eligible, and so we're getting a grip on the problems in Falkirk. | :15:09. | :15:16. | |
Nick, a final word? We did not speak about primary school places, earlier | :15:16. | :15:22. | |
this week, an all-party Commons committee said that over 250,000 | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
school places were needed by September 2014, and there was a | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
danger that music rooms and libraries would be replaced by unit | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
of the classrooms. Although it did not feel like it was Ed Miliband's | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
day, I think the Labour leader has invested in a story he thinks would | :15:37. | :15:41. | |
fit in with people 's life experiences in the next few months | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
and weeks to say, when your child is in an overcrowded classroom or does | :15:46. | :15:52. | |
not have a classroom, here is why. And all the places are to be | :15:52. | :15:59. | |
available for September, when the school goes back. Thank you. | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
Now, we could, if we wanted to, head to the supermarket at three o'clock | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
on a Sunday afternoon. But could we get an appointment to see our GP | :16:07. | :16:09. | |
then, or have a routine NHS operation on our knee? Probably not. | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
But all this could be about to change under plans by Health | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
Secretary Jeremy Hunt to make care in NHS England truly 24/7. In fact, | :16:16. | :16:18. | |
data shows that mortality rates actually increase during | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
out-of-hours provision. But doctors say the proposals won't work in a | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
service already overstretched. Former doctor and author of NHS SOS | :16:25. | :16:35. | |
:16:35. | :16:56. | ||
I was a hospital doctor of the 37 years. I advise the Government on | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
the care of elderly people. Nothing would appease me more than being | :17:00. | :17:10. | |
:17:10. | :17:10. | ||
able to offer comprehensive care in the NHS, 247. Surgeries will be | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
open seven days a week so patients could see their doctors without | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
missing work. In NHS hospitals, the care on a Sunday night would be | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
just as good as the care on a Wednesday morning. It wouldn't only | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
be patient centred, but staff centred. It would make it easy to | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
deliver promptly and safely, everything we want for our patients. | :17:32. | :17:37. | |
But it would be irresponsible to support Jeremy Hunt's call for a | :17:37. | :17:47. | |
:17:47. | :17:53. | ||
247 Tesco style service at present. Why? The NHS is facing �20 billion | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
worth of cuts, massive staff reductions, closure of A&E and | :17:58. | :18:05. | |
closure of some hospitals. All of this in the context of the most | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
disruptive reorganisation in its history. No wonder services are | :18:09. | :18:14. | |
overstretched. Worse still, resources will become more scarce | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
as Government plans for re privatisation unfolds. There will | :18:19. | :18:29. | |
be tendering process has overseen by lawyers, and money diverted into | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
profits for multi- millionaire entrepreneurs. Any extension of | :18:33. | :18:38. | |
services, some think the vast majority of doctors support, will | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
mean endangering what is currently on offer. In other words, upgrading | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
services at the weekend may mean downgrading services during the | :18:47. | :18:57. | |
:18:57. | :19:01. | ||
week. Doctoring is a more serious And Professor Raymond Tallis joins | :19:01. | :19:07. | |
us now. I think everybody would agree that doctoring is more | :19:07. | :19:12. | |
complicated than shopping. But also there is a perception that doctors | :19:12. | :19:18. | |
don't want to work out of hours and the weekends? I began a 104 hour | :19:18. | :19:24. | |
week when I started as a junior doctor. When I finished I was | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
working 70 hours a week when I finished. It was normal when I | :19:29. | :19:35. | |
retired to become a consultant on call. That there was no question of | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
not doing out of hours care. Nevermind one continuing | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
preoccupation of patience when you are not being paid for it. His it | :19:44. | :19:49. | |
to demand would looking at? You put it down to the fact there were no | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
resources. Let's say the resources were there, would it be reasonable | :19:53. | :20:00. | |
for people to expect a 24 hour a day service in terms of GPs and | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
hospital? It's would be wonderful. When I was a doctor in hospital, it | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
was dreadful on Sunday when you were trying to solve a complex | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
problem because you did not have a support service. When you were | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
trying to communicate with primary care there wasn't the support at | :20:18. | :20:22. | |
the weekend. As I have indicated, it would be fantastically staff | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
centres. We would be far less concerned, but it requires an | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
enormous amount of resources at a time when resources are being | :20:31. | :20:36. | |
squandered a by the Coalition. more money was put into the NHS or | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
the resources were spent more wisely you could have a more even | :20:39. | :20:45. | |
service spread across seven days? �12.7 billion will be put into the | :20:45. | :20:50. | |
NHS during this Parliament. But if you look at the root causes, the | :20:50. | :20:59. | |
majority of the NHS workforce are on a 24 hour basis. There is the | :20:59. | :21:02. | |
basis of expanding GP hours and consultant hours. Because the | :21:02. | :21:12. | |
previous contract could GP now earns �108,000. There is a 24% | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
increase in pay given to consultants by the previous | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
Government. Would you like to change that? They were still | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
allowed to opt out of weekends and evenings. Part of this is what | :21:24. | :21:32. | |
contract you put in place. Doctors are well remunerated... And they | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
should work out-of-hours and weekends? Doctors shouldn't just do | :21:37. | :21:42. | |
on-call work at that time, but more routine work. At night and the | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
weekends, the mortality rate is higher. When you are earning | :21:47. | :21:52. | |
�108,000 on average, and you are starting a salary as a consultant | :21:52. | :21:58. | |
on 84,000... What are you blaming the fact you're 82% more likely to | :21:58. | :22:03. | |
die in the NHS when you have an operation on a Sunday compared to a | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
Monday? Are you saying there are enough resources, but doctors are | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
not good enough at the weekend? am not saying that. But some were | :22:11. | :22:16. | |
there is a problem. The contracts knitters he did by the previous | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
Government allowed doctors to opt out of weekend care. So consultant | :22:21. | :22:26. | |
care, is safer Kerr and better. That is something we need to see | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
more of. Not just during the week, but in the evenings and weekends. | :22:31. | :22:37. | |
Good patient care, professionals acting with professionalism. What | :22:37. | :22:42. | |
do say to that? First of all he is confusing the situation with | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
primary care and the situations with hospitals. All hospital | :22:46. | :22:53. | |
consultants provide cover over weekends on a shift basis. It is | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
not actually being at a hospital delivering care, it is being | :22:57. | :23:02. | |
provided by on-call cover which is different to providing routine, | :23:02. | :23:08. | |
daytime care. The other thing is, there is only a certain number of | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
hours an individual doctor can work. It is inappropriate for a doctor to | :23:13. | :23:19. | |
work a 100 our week, as I did. We need more doctors. You cannot | :23:19. | :23:26. | |
spread one doctor over 168 hours in a week. We are can -- recruiting | :23:26. | :23:32. | |
more consultants. The previous Government recognised that | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
consultant care is better. We need to have more consultants working at | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
weekends and out of hours. It is also the case we need a GPS system | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
that is not necessarily looking at daytime care, but providing care in | :23:45. | :23:50. | |
the evenings and weekends to keep patients more out of the A&E when | :23:50. | :23:55. | |
they don't need to be there. are the Government, make it happen. | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
We need to revisit the contracts we inherited from the previous | :23:59. | :24:06. | |
Government. Some of these contracts come round in a ten-year sample. | :24:06. | :24:12. | |
Hackney, idealistic GPs wanted to clawback the opt-out from providing | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
out-of-hours services. The existing private provider was awful. The | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
public and the doctors agreed with that. They tried to buy it out and | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
they were prevented from doing so. By the rules laid down by the | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
previous Government. Now yesterday we had a bit of a | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
spat on our programme - which we always enjoy. The Labour MP, Simon | :24:32. | :24:34. | |
Danczuk, locked horns with The Independent's Owen Jones over the | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
question of Jobs Seekers Allowance and whether there should be a | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
seven-day waiting period. Owen Jones attacked the proposal and | :24:40. | :24:49. | |
well a bit of old-fashioned class warfare ensued. Take a look at this. | :24:49. | :24:54. | |
You cannot just bring everybody together. You have an idealistic | :24:54. | :25:00. | |
view of the world. You sound like a 1980s alternative comedian. It is | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
hilarious in many respects, but taking on the mantle of Ben Elton | :25:04. | :25:10. | |
does not help anybody in politics. You sound like a Tory politician. | :25:10. | :25:16. | |
The grotesque sight of the Labour MP scuttling around TV studios to | :25:16. | :25:24. | |
back Tory attacks on some of the poorest of society. The priority | :25:24. | :25:30. | |
has to be creating jobs, creating wealth. | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
Well that ding-dong caused a Twitter storm and led the Daily | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
Telegraph blogger, Dan Hodges, to write that the Labour Party needs | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
more of this left-wing rebuttal and he accused the Labour leadership of | :25:39. | :25:49. | |
:25:49. | :25:49. | ||
being in thrall to Owen Jones. Dan Hodges joins us now. And are we | :25:49. | :25:54. | |
saying, the word has got out from Ed Miliband's headquarters that | :25:54. | :26:00. | |
Owen-Jones is not to be touched? Owen-Jones is a made man within the | :26:00. | :26:08. | |
Labour Party. A Mafia expression? It is a Mafia expression. It has | :26:08. | :26:13. | |
been leave Owen alone. It is an open secret that Ed Miliband and | :26:13. | :26:19. | |
his party have been courting going for several months. Why is that?He | :26:19. | :26:24. | |
is influential and has his newspaper column, he is influential | :26:24. | :26:29. | |
in terms of his liaison with the unions, think tank he is | :26:29. | :26:36. | |
established with. And also the direct action movement that Labour | :26:36. | :26:42. | |
wants to make common cause with. The other element is, the 35% | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
strategy, Ed Miliband is trying to build a new Coalition around those | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
who are disaffected with the Labour Party around the Iraq war, and | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
young and first-time voters. There is a sense Irwin is a spokesperson | :26:55. | :27:02. | |
for that group. Owen-Jones replied to your comments, saying it is the | :27:02. | :27:07. | |
most riveting and personal fantasy he has ever read. I don't want to | :27:07. | :27:13. | |
go into his personal fantasies, certainly not before the watershed! | :27:13. | :27:18. | |
Would you like to disprove Dan Hodges theory by attacking a Wynne- | :27:18. | :27:24. | |
Jones on air? This is total rubbish. Ed Miliband has not put out an | :27:24. | :27:28. | |
instruction to shadow ministers not to have a go at him. I would be | :27:28. | :27:33. | |
happy to criticise Owen if the occasion arises. And Simon is a | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
Labour Member of Parliament, he speaks for the Labour Party. Not | :27:37. | :27:47. | |
:27:47. | :27:48. | ||
Owen. So Simon was right, and I was was wrong? -- Owen. Yes.It is | :27:48. | :27:55. | |
falling apart. The word is out now, attack it Owen. They will all be | :27:55. | :28:05. | |
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Time to put you out of your misery with the answer to the Guess the | :28:09. | :28:19. | |
:28:19. | :28:20. | ||
Year competition. The answer was 1942. Why should they have found | :28:20. | :28:26. | |
out it was 1942? The Al Alan Main, the huge battle | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
on the North African desert, the turning-point of the war. The first | :28:30. | :28:35. | |
British victory, actually. Emma, please press the button to reveal | :28:35. | :28:45. | |
:28:45. | :28:47. | ||
There is one Cup on eBay at the moment selling for �93, but it is | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
the cancer. OK that's all for today. Thanks to | :28:51. | :28:54. |