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Morning, folks, welcome to the Daily Politics. "Money is no object" when | :00:36. | :00:40. | |
it comes to helping communities hit by floods. The Prime Minister says | :00:41. | :00:44. | |
everything is being done to help struggling areas, including sending | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
in troops. He's been chairing a special cabinet committee this | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
morning and cancelled a trip to the Middle East to take charge of the | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
situation. But should the Government be doing more? As politicians | :00:56. | :01:01. | |
continue to search for answers, do they need to consider more radical | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
solutions for dealing with floods? We speak to an expert. The floods | :01:06. | :01:11. | |
will no doubt be the hot topic at Prime Minister's Questions, we'll | :01:12. | :01:18. | |
have the action live at midday. And how do the spin doctors cope in the | :01:19. | :01:24. | |
age of online and 24 hour news? One King of Spin takes a trip down | :01:25. | :01:26. | |
memory lane. By walk down Henry Lane, do you mean | :01:27. | :01:42. | |
pub crawl? Along the lines of that. All that coming up in the next 90 | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
minutes of public service broadcasting at its very finest. | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
With us today, the former floods minister, Richard Benyon, and the | :01:49. | :01:51. | |
Shadow Attorney General, Emily Thornberry. Welcome. We now -- Now, | :01:52. | :02:01. | |
we know the floods must be serious because David Cameron called a | :02:02. | :02:03. | |
Downing Street press conference yesterday, his first in over seven | :02:04. | :02:05. | |
months. And the Prime Minister declared that | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
"money is no object" when it comes to helping communities stricken by | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
the floods. This morning, though, the Transport Secretary said that | :02:13. | :02:14. | |
didn't necessarily amount to a "blank cheque." If money is no | :02:15. | :02:24. | |
object, it is a blank cheque! But, after a week of damaging sniping | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
over who or what is to blame for the floods, David Cameron has sought to | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
reassert his control over the situation. So, what do we know? As | :02:32. | :02:36. | |
you said, once it was clear that the floods have become a crisis, the | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
Prime Minister did say money is no object, but clarified it with, "in | :02:41. | :02:49. | |
this relief effort. " So far, she has promised ?130 million for a | :02:50. | :02:51. | |
emergency flood repairs and maintenance. And the deployment of | :02:52. | :02:57. | |
600 troops. What about long-term? DEFRA spending on flood management | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
has fallen since the coalition came to power, from a peak of ?670 | :03:02. | :03:07. | |
million in 2011, to ?576 million last year, and that is just in cash | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
terms. Once you adjust for inflation, it is an even bigger | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
difference. Central government money is on the slide, there is some extra | :03:16. | :03:21. | |
cash from local councils, a ?148 million partnership funding. Back to | :03:22. | :03:30. | |
you. So, it was a mistake to cut flood spending, wasn't it? That is | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
not the way to look at funding for these schemes. No flood scheme goes | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
from conception to commissioning in one year. You look at it over the | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
whole spending programme. In that period, the four years of this | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
spending programme, we are going to spend more. In money terms, not in | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
real terms. The partnership funding, we have changed the system | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
we introduced so that we can get many more schemes up and running, | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
and more people will be protected. This is a political argument and | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
this is one I have been having for many months and years. In today's | :04:07. | :04:14. | |
context, it is sterile, but it is more money being spent on flood | :04:15. | :04:17. | |
defences than ever before. Modi is more delighted than me that the | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
contingency reserve that exists in the Treasury is being used. Can we | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
get the figure is clear? This is from the Commons library, a very | :04:29. | :04:35. | |
independent and reliable source. Government -- central government | :04:36. | :04:38. | |
spending will reduce in real terms over the Spending Review period. | :04:39. | :04:49. | |
2.34 1 billion, compared to a higher number in the preceding year. The | :04:50. | :04:58. | |
figure I have is 2.4 billion as opposed to 2.2 billion. The figure | :04:59. | :05:06. | |
is that in the last four years of the Labour government, and one | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
year, including up to 2011 when spending was counted, the spending | :05:11. | :05:24. | |
was two point -- was 2.371, falling to 2.341. In real terms, it will be | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
more of a cut. There was more announced by the Chancellor in the | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
November autumn statement just over a year ago. And more that has been | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
announced since. And the projected period for the spending, we will see | :05:40. | :05:45. | |
more money spent on flood defences than ever before. With the | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
partnership funding scheme, which I was attacked for one I bought it | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
in, people called it a flood tax, no government of any complexion that | :05:55. | :05:56. | |
exists in this country and the future will change that system | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
because it has meant places like Leeds, Exeter, they will get the | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
flood protection they need. They would never have got that until we | :06:05. | :06:10. | |
changed the system. In the Labour years, 2001-2010, 200,000 houses, | :06:11. | :06:19. | |
new homes, were built on the flood plains. Shouldn't you have built | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
better flood defences, given the number of people living there? I | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
think that's a bubbly ride. And what happened as we had the floods in | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
2007, then we had the review which recommended we take a better look a | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
mess we increased the funding. I understand that the consider the | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
Conservatives came in with austerity, and we talked about not | :06:41. | :06:46. | |
being enough water. You can see in hindsight... Caroline Spelman, when | :06:47. | :06:49. | |
she was doing the job, she said drought will become the new normal. | :06:50. | :06:56. | |
The planet is becoming more unpredictable. It seems to be hot, | :06:57. | :07:06. | |
cold, drought. We have to look at -- we have to take a proper strategic | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
look now. This is an opportunity now to take a completely different look. | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
Government will always have to spend billions on flood defences. But | :07:17. | :07:18. | |
there are ways and people doing really interesting work, about how | :07:19. | :07:26. | |
you can actually getting a completely new level of private | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
funding on top of government funding for large-scale protections. He | :07:32. | :07:40. | |
would always also say that nobody was listening to him a few years | :07:41. | :07:46. | |
ago. The tragedy is, that what is happening now, it defines what the | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
Environment Agency said. Now 99% of the time the Environment Agency says | :07:53. | :07:55. | |
no to new building, it doesn't go ahead. Our Labour and Conservatives | :07:56. | :08:04. | |
both guilty to allow the Environment Agency to implement a policy to put | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
habitat ahead of people? I worked with the Environment Agency for 3.5 | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
years, with the best engineers and flood defences or third priority. I | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
never had a conversation or felt they were being diverted from | :08:19. | :08:26. | |
providing good flood defences. This is a flood defence in Somerset, and | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
it does create better habitat, but it protects the community. Do you | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
deny it was the policy of the Environment Agency, particularly | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
under Margaret Young when she was the Chief Executive, to allow | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
habitat to give precedence over pumping stations and dredging? In | :08:45. | :08:55. | |
March 2008, there was support about the strategic flooding in Somerset. | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
She is accused of saying she wanted to put Olympic mine on every pumping | :09:00. | :09:05. | |
station. The dredging stopped! There was a culture that needed to be | :09:06. | :09:11. | |
changed. Credit to Chris Smith. He has changed that culture. I had my | :09:12. | :09:19. | |
run-in with Barbara Young after the 2007 floods in my constituency where | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
I had precisely that argument with her about SSSI versus the homes | :09:23. | :09:34. | |
people were living in. I think that has changed. There has been very | :09:35. | :09:40. | |
little dredging at all that has taken place. Barbara Young's policy | :09:41. | :09:46. | |
was, she said, in many speeches, including testimony to the House of | :09:47. | :09:53. | |
Lords that building new habitats is very expensive. The easiest way is | :09:54. | :09:56. | |
to let previous marshland received to -- reduced to wetland. If you | :09:57. | :10:03. | |
want habitat, just add water. Was that a mistake? There was a ratio | :10:04. | :10:11. | |
introduced under the new rules, for every pound you spend, you've got to | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
save ?8. Which therefore means that farmland is going to be seen as less | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
of a priority. It didn't stop them building the bird sanctuary. That is | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
completely irrelevant. If people came to me last year and said, would | :10:26. | :10:33. | |
you put up some money for dredging in the Somerset Levels? I could have | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
done that. In terms of the taxpayers money, it would have meant taking | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
funds away from other schemes, and of those communities were then | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
flooded... They spent ?2.5 million on public relations! They only | :10:49. | :10:55. | |
needed ?4 million to drain the whole of the levels. That is a little bit | :10:56. | :11:03. | |
more than double what the agency was spending on PR. We would have had to | :11:04. | :11:15. | |
divert different schemes. You wouldn't have had to do that. There | :11:16. | :11:18. | |
were plenty of other areas where you could have found money. You have | :11:19. | :11:25. | |
expertise in this area, when Chris Smith was first asked about | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
dredging, and we're now talking less than ten days ago, when the call was | :11:29. | :11:34. | |
that we asked you to dredge, you didn't do it, he replied that | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
dredging is marginal. It is of marginal importance. The second | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
thing he said a week later was that dredging is part of the story but | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
not the whole story. Now he is saying, we couldn't really do it | :11:49. | :11:51. | |
because of the Treasury formula. What is it? On Friday, there will be | :11:52. | :11:58. | |
a report coming out which I think we'll show from hydrology engineers | :11:59. | :12:01. | |
who really know what they are talking about rather than | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
politicians about what would actually be effective. Tragically, | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
for the Somerset Levels, and, please, can nobody look at the whole | :12:10. | :12:12. | |
of the flooding problems we are looking at through the prism of the | :12:13. | :12:15. | |
Somerset Levels because nobody should be dredging rivers that | :12:16. | :12:22. | |
haven't ever been dredged. If you do dredge them, they flood. In Somerset | :12:23. | :12:29. | |
it is difficult. It is a one in 5000 gradient, which is very shallow. The | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
tide can block it like a bung, so you could spend all the money the | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
Environment Agency has in dredging it and it wouldn't do anything. | :12:39. | :12:45. | |
Until the rain came. I want to be fair here. I don't want to be fair. | :12:46. | :12:55. | |
The rain is worse than it has been. Your party is meant to believe in | :12:56. | :13:03. | |
localism. And not in quangos in London. The society in charge of | :13:04. | :13:12. | |
training has always drainage is the key to this not happening. The | :13:13. | :13:14. | |
chairman of the Wessex flood defence, who is himself an | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
engineering hydrologist has also said that. I would suggest that if | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
you believe in the prison, let these people look after their own land. -- | :13:24. | :13:32. | |
if you believe in localism. How many properties or feels it would have | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
protected from flooding is uncertain and this report on Friday will show | :13:37. | :13:42. | |
us that. We have to work with local drainage boards and farmers, and we | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
do, all around the country. And schemes last year predicted 175,000 | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
acres of farmland, along with many thousands of houses and properties. | :13:52. | :14:04. | |
-- schemes last year protected. There are terrible winds about to | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
hit Wales. The North of England as well. 100 miles an hour they are | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
talking about. That will bring some rain as well. How much can we | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
expect? Over now to a man known for his accurate forecasting and who's | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
never knowingly missed a storm. Michael Fish, the former BBC weather | :14:21. | :14:23. | |
forecaster, joins us from College Green. Looking back at the history | :14:24. | :14:33. | |
books, how does the rain... I know that it is January's record, but how | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
has the rain compared historically? The wettest on record, going back to | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
the middle of the 18th-century. This particular flood is unique in that | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
it is covering the larger area of the country and lasting for far, far | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
longer. We have had more devastating floods in the past. Especially with | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
the North Sea surges, like in December. In 1632, 20 5000 people | :14:59. | :15:04. | |
were killed, and in 1634, 15,000. So we have had more severe weather than | :15:05. | :15:14. | |
now, but not as widespread. I assume, sadly, that if more rain | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
comes, it will get worse, because the ground is already sodden with | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
water? We're expecting more storms in the near future. One is obviously | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
under way at the moment and another one on Friday night, Saturday, | :15:28. | :15:32. | |
another on Monday and then choose day-Wednesday next week. So I'm | :15:33. | :15:35. | |
afraid there is no end to it. -- Tuesday. So we don't know when it | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
will stop? I don't know it will get better in February. The main thing | :15:42. | :15:48. | |
next month is that the storms will be less potent. When do you think we | :15:49. | :15:55. | |
will see the first hosepipe ban?! It would be nice if we didn't get that. | :15:56. | :16:08. | |
It was only a couple of days later. We ought to have a minister for | :16:09. | :16:15. | |
heatwaves! Right! Well, that is probably an underemployed job at the | :16:16. | :16:18. | |
moment. Thank you for joining us. Good to see you on the programme. | :16:19. | :16:25. | |
Now, money is one thing, but is all the political talk about how much is | :16:26. | :16:28. | |
being spent really what is at issue? We are now joined by Dr Hannah | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
Cloke, who is associate Professor of hydrology at the University of | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
Reading. Why don't know if you could hear before, we were talking about | :16:39. | :16:41. | |
the impact dredging might or might not have had, particularly in the | :16:42. | :16:48. | |
Somerset Levels. Would dredging have prevented the flooding in your | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
mind? This is a particularly serious flood and I'd do not think it would | :16:53. | :16:55. | |
have prevented this flood from happening at all. You would need to | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
have... Got rid of the rain in some magic way in order to have prevented | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
this flood in the Somerset Levels! So all of this talk from locals and | :17:05. | :17:08. | |
ministers, who have been chastising the environment age and the because | :17:09. | :17:14. | |
dredging stopped ten years ago and saying that actually led to the | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
flooding of wrong? We do not have the evidence that this would have | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
stopped flooding. What has happened is, we have decided you need a whole | :17:24. | :17:26. | |
range of different measures in order to prevent or mitigate those kinds | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
floods. What about the Somerset Levels? Can they, in your opinion, | :17:32. | :17:37. | |
be protected for ever? It would be very difficult to protect them | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
forever because we are living with the prospect of a changing climate | :17:42. | :17:44. | |
and these events may become more awkward in the future and we need to | :17:45. | :17:51. | |
think of clever solutions and possibly retreating slightly, | :17:52. | :17:53. | |
helping communities become more resilient in other ways. So you | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
think people living there could in, 30, 40, 50 years time might have to | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
accept that the area will turn to some sort of Marshland? We need to | :18:04. | :18:09. | |
look at the possible future and that surrounds having to retreat from | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
that land in some way, yes. And we need to help those communities to | :18:15. | :18:17. | |
understand that future and make themselves resilient to that. What | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
are the clever ways you are talking about? What are the non-engineer | :18:22. | :18:25. | |
ways of mitigating flooding and heavy rainfall? There are two | :18:26. | :18:33. | |
things. Firstly, this series of storms has provided an enormous | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
amount of rain and we would have seen this flooding however hard we | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
tried to get rid of it in clever ways. But for smaller storms, | :18:41. | :18:43. | |
certainly, you can detect yourself by trying to slow down the water in | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
the river catchment. Upstream, we are looking at upstream measures, | :18:50. | :18:52. | |
trying to hold back the water and get it to infiltrate into the | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
ground. And in urban areas is trying to make those areas more porous, | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
have sustainable training systems and maybe retrofit those to some | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
existing properties. Let's go to our guests. In the end, the argument | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
about dredging, according to our expert, has actually been slightly | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
futile and you should have been, or successive governments should have | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
been looking at longer term or natural methods of trying to deal | :19:20. | :19:22. | |
with the rain? That is why I have been slightly grinding my teeth this | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
week because I'd find this binding argument about whether you dredge or | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
do not dredge is sterile. We have done so much over the last few | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
years. It started with previous government but we have looked at the | :19:38. | :19:40. | |
whole catchment approach, and it is about making land use part of it. | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
Making sure that the incentives we give to farmers to manage their land | :19:46. | :19:47. | |
in different ways, the crops they grow, the crops they don't grow, | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
where they grow them, and how we secure all the feeder streams that | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
come into the big rivers, and it is absolutely right that is part of an | :19:57. | :19:59. | |
integrated plan, so we are talking about, yes, the environment and | :20:00. | :20:06. | |
protection of it, but in conjunction with flood defence. In the first two | :20:07. | :20:09. | |
years we were using with a catastrophic drought so it is those | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
extremes. But it is fairly unpalatable to turn around to people | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
in the Somerset Levels and say, this has a finite time for you guys and | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
in the end you are going to have to retreat. It is not just about the | :20:22. | :20:29. | |
Somerset Levels. There was a man in a bungalow in the Thames Valley who | :20:30. | :20:32. | |
said he was woken up and had to be rescued by a fire engine and taken | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
off. He said, we cannot go on the thing like this, and we can't. We | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
have to have a strategic approach. May be the Somerset Levels - we | :20:42. | :20:47. | |
cannot keep inhabiting them? I'm not going to keep... Are not going to do | :20:48. | :20:55. | |
that because I want to be allowed to live. I do think there is much more | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
we can do upstream in places like that to slow the water down, so, OK, | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
this kind of rain will flood anyway but that is another storms... And in | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
towns and cities we cannot have the whole thing concreted over. So | :21:10. | :21:17. | |
having roots with green on the top or porous stone or whatever it is. | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
Cannot come back to you on what we talked about yesterday, the | :21:23. | :21:25. | |
saturation point. We saw these pictures of boreholes up to the | :21:26. | :21:31. | |
top... Exploding out of the top. We are going to flood anyway, aren't | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
we? We have to be realistic. In the near future there is going to be | :21:38. | :21:40. | |
serious flooding around for a while and many communities will be | :21:41. | :21:43. | |
affected by ground flooding as well as flooding from rivers. That is a | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
reality. Where can the water go? We have to wait for it to drain away. | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
We can divert it in places but really we have to wait and ride it | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
out, this particular event, and really we need to be looking to the | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
future to help ourselves out next time this happens. And it probably | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
will happen. What about health risks? Because all that stagnant | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
water sitting around for the foreseeable future, does that mean a | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
significant health risk? One of the problems is where sewage comes into | :22:15. | :22:17. | |
contact with people, so these are the problems that need to be sorted | :22:18. | :22:24. | |
out with stagnant water. It is quite disgusting in many cases. That is a | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
problem and you have mentioned climate change. Is it time to say, | :22:30. | :22:34. | |
this is what is going to happen, this is climate change, it is going | :22:35. | :22:37. | |
to happen more often? Or is it that... There is definitely some | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
indication that this is caused by some change in the climate. We know | :22:43. | :22:46. | |
the likelihood of these types of storms and rainfall events will get | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
more frequent in the future. So we could think of this as a sort of | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
test run for climate change. OK, Hannah. I was talking to a scientist | :22:55. | :23:02. | |
from the Royal Society last night and he said, people talk about | :23:03. | :23:08. | |
people not beating Manchester City, it is to do with marine youth. It is | :23:09. | :23:16. | |
like that. So we have to be prepared for climate change to happen in the | :23:17. | :23:19. | |
future because I think it is something like that. But it seems | :23:20. | :23:25. | |
extraordinary to have someone in charge of DEFRA who does not believe | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
when change is man-made. I was there when he spoke to the staff and he | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
explained quite clearly. He recognises something is very serious | :23:35. | :23:42. | |
that is happening. But he cannot deny climate change looking at what | :23:43. | :23:47. | |
we are doing. He does deny... Try to find somebody who doesn't deny it. | :23:48. | :23:54. | |
Even the most sceptical scientist on climate change is still believing | :23:55. | :23:57. | |
man is somehow involved in what is happening. It is just a bandwidth. | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
Where we all are on that is up for debate. Glad we got you there in the | :24:02. | :24:08. | |
end. Thank you, Hannah. Now, if you're watching this with | :24:09. | :24:11. | |
the water lapping at your feet, we'd firstly like to thank you for taking | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
a break amid all the chaos to enjoy our little programme. No doubt | :24:16. | :24:18. | |
you'll have spent the morning stacking sandbags at the front door, | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
but we all know you'll have to do far more than that to stop a | :24:23. | :24:26. | |
politician in nice new wellies, or worse still, full-on waders, from | :24:27. | :24:29. | |
turning up in your area to point at the water and tell you how terrible | :24:30. | :24:36. | |
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see if you can remember when all of this happened. | :25:10. | :25:16. | |
With hope and prayer in our hearts, we sent her fourth on her mission, | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
this noble ship. The Prime Minister arrives to raise | :25:21. | :25:38. | |
the trickle as the guns boom their salute. -- the trickle or flag. | :25:39. | :26:03. | |
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It's coming up to midday here. Just take a look at Big Ben. There it is. | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
And that can mean only one thing - yes, Prime Minister's Questions is | :26:52. | :26:54. | |
on its way. Should be a good one today! If you'd like to comment on | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
proceedings, you can email us at [email protected], or tweet | :26:59. | :27:00. | |
your thoughts using the hashtag #bbcdp. We'll read some out after | :27:01. | :27:08. | |
PMQs. And Nick Robinson is here as well. | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
Now, before we come to you, Nick, disturbing evidence has been | :27:14. | :27:16. | |
unearthed by the Daily Politics munchkins about PMQs. In a new | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
report, the Hansard Society say it's a big turn-off for the public. | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
Really?! Yes, for you at home. But, please, do stay tuned. The report | :27:25. | :27:27. | |
says people are put off by the noise, bluster and showing off from | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
MPs at PMQs, and has a number of suggestions on how to make it | :27:32. | :27:36. | |
better. It should be moved to a Tuesday or Wednesday evening to | :27:37. | :27:39. | |
allow a broader range of people to watch. Good luck getting that on the | :27:40. | :27:47. | |
schedules! That'll knock the EastEnders ratings! The number of | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
questions from the Leader of the Opposition should be reduced to | :27:52. | :27:54. | |
allow more time for questions from backbenchers. Ordinary people should | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
be able to submit questions once a month. And a new sin bin penalty, | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
naming members for disorderly conduct and removing them from the | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
chamber, should be introduced at the Speaker's discretion. He will love | :28:06. | :28:14. | |
that! There will be no one left! Is there a bin big enough? Let me go | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
out on a limb there and say none of this will happen. You see, they do | :28:20. | :28:27. | |
this. He doesn't follow football. I thought you were going to sell your | :28:28. | :28:36. | |
men wise! -- men wire! The truth is, any new Prime Minister gets the | :28:37. | :28:40. | |
chance to try to change it. If Ed Miliband becomes Prime Minister | :28:41. | :28:43. | |
after the next election, there is no doubt, and we have discussed it | :28:44. | :28:47. | |
before, doesn't much like this and does not think it is particularly | :28:48. | :28:50. | |
fruitful. But, in the end, what tends to happen is prime ministers | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
think, how do we just minimise the amount of time it takes in our | :28:55. | :28:57. | |
schedule, which is why Tony Blair reduced it from twice a week to once | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
a week. And, in the end, do they really want to make it more hard by | :29:03. | :29:07. | |
giving more questions -- getting more questions from outsiders? It | :29:08. | :29:13. | |
would be good if he could answer some questions. I am one of the ones | :29:14. | :29:17. | |
who shouts at the Prime Minister when he doesn't answer. He doesn't | :29:18. | :29:22. | |
even pretend to answer! I think in the end, because there is no chance | :29:23. | :29:25. | |
of getting an answer, the question becomes the thing. A vicious circle. | :29:26. | :29:33. | |
That is right. I think we should have something like they do in | :29:34. | :29:36. | |
Australia, where they have a time-out when it gets too noisy. | :29:37. | :29:50. | |
Would he agree it would be both complacent and ignorant to flout the | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
warnings of the Met Office and his own advisers who warned that climate | :29:57. | :30:01. | |
change will lead to even more such events in the future? Can he conform | :30:02. | :30:06. | |
to the House and to everyone in my constituency that doing everything | :30:07. | :30:09. | |
he can will include not only reversing cuts to the Environment | :30:10. | :30:17. | |
Agency budget but also, crucially, removing... Prime Minister. Let me | :30:18. | :30:27. | |
reassure the honourable lady that I listen very carefully to my experts | :30:28. | :30:31. | |
in the Met Office and in the Environment Agency. Every COBRA | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
meeting starts with a briefing from the Met Office. It is clear we are | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
seeing more extreme weather events, and we will go on to see them and we | :30:40. | :30:44. | |
need to do everything we can to improve the resilience of our | :30:45. | :30:48. | |
country. Let me repeat again, when it comes to this relief effort, | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
money is no object, and we will spend what's necessary to help | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
families, people, communities get through this very difficult time. | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
Things are likely to get worse before they get better because of | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
the very high levels of rainfall we've seen, and we have seen very | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
serious high winds as we speak in this House today. But whatever can | :31:09. | :31:17. | |
be done, will be done. Last year, my constituents daughter was brutally | :31:18. | :31:21. | |
murdered. At the trial it was revealed that her attacker had | :31:22. | :31:23. | |
previously attacked another young girl five years earlier. | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
Unbelievably, that attacker got off from the early offence with a police | :31:29. | :31:34. | |
caution. A written warning. Will the Prime Minister join me in calling | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
upon West Mercia Police to publish all relevant material relating to | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
that earlier case in order that any lessons that can be learnt will be | :31:44. | :31:49. | |
learned? First of all, he's right to take up his constituent's case in | :31:50. | :31:52. | |
this way and he has written to me about this specific case. I said | :31:53. | :31:57. | |
they goes out to the family and friends of George Williams. I | :31:58. | :32:01. | |
understand the Independent Police Complaints Commission are currently | :32:02. | :32:04. | |
considering their response to a referral from West Mercia Police | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
into the handling of this case. On the issue of cautions, let me say we | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
announced last year that we are banning the use of simple cautions | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
for all of the most serious offences, including manslaughter, | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
rape, robbery, as well as a range of other offences. This is a tragic | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
case and we must get to the bottom of what went wrong. I join the prime | :32:26. | :32:32. | |
minister in expressing all of my sympathies with people affected by | :32:33. | :32:35. | |
the floods, who have been driven out of their homes and who are facing | :32:36. | :32:38. | |
disruption to their lives. I also join him in paying tribute to all of | :32:39. | :32:44. | |
those helping with relief efforts and to the extraordinary resilience | :32:45. | :32:47. | |
we have seen of the people of our country. He will know that people in | :32:48. | :32:51. | |
affected communities are relieved that help from the Armed Forces has | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
now arrived. Many feel they were sent into late. With further | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
flooding expected in the coming hours and days, can the Prime | :33:00. | :33:03. | |
Minister provide an assurance that people will get the help in time, | :33:04. | :33:09. | |
not after the event? I can give that assurance and let me repeat again | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
that it is important to praise our urgency services, to praise | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
volunteers, all of those working for the Environment Agency who have | :33:18. | :33:20. | |
worked night and day, around the clock, to help our communities. They | :33:21. | :33:25. | |
have done amazing work. In terms of the engagement of the military, this | :33:26. | :33:30. | |
is important. It has always been possible for Gold commanders in | :33:31. | :33:34. | |
these emergency situations to call on military assets. A military | :33:35. | :33:38. | |
liaison officer is supposed to sit with those gold commanders and | :33:39. | :33:48. | |
liaise with them. What we have done in recent days is say very clearly | :33:49. | :33:50. | |
to all the local authorities concerned, and we contacted them | :33:51. | :33:52. | |
individually, if you want military assistance, do not think twice about | :33:53. | :33:56. | |
it. Just ask. So, we have now thousands of military in a state of | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
readiness to help out, and a huge number have already been deployed. | :34:01. | :34:06. | |
As we see the levels rising on the Thames again, coming into this | :34:07. | :34:09. | |
weekend, we should do everything we can to get extra help into those | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
communities that could be affected and make sure they are helped. All | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
the military assistance required is there, people only have to ask. I | :34:18. | :34:22. | |
welcome that promise of proactive help from the Prime Minister. Given | :34:23. | :34:25. | |
the forecasts of the extreme weather, one of the key issues that | :34:26. | :34:30. | |
will concern people is not just their homes but continuing gas and | :34:31. | :34:34. | |
electricity supplies. We have learned from previous experience | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
that protecting electricity substations that can be responsible | :34:39. | :34:41. | |
for power to hundreds of thousands of homes is of particular | :34:42. | :34:45. | |
importance. Can he reassure the House about the steps being taken to | :34:46. | :34:50. | |
protect these vital services? I can give him that assurance. The | :34:51. | :34:55. | |
Minister carried out a review into the resilience of our infrastructure | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
and a lot of extra steps were taken following that and that has made a | :35:00. | :35:04. | |
difference. In the COBRA system, we are monitoring every day this | :35:05. | :35:06. | |
particular bits of infrastructure that could be under threat. In | :35:07. | :35:11. | |
recent days, it has been about water treatment works rather than electric | :35:12. | :35:15. | |
works. I spoke to the Minister responsible for an edgy policy at | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
this morning's COBRA and to make sure that everything is being done | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
to stand up the people that will be necessary if there is further supply | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
disruption. I think the experience there, where there were problems in | :35:30. | :35:34. | |
Kent after Christmas, since then, the energy companies have done a | :35:35. | :35:37. | |
better job at reconnecting people more quickly. One of the | :35:38. | :35:44. | |
reassurances he provided yesterday, as he said earlier, was to say money | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
was no object. This morning, the Transport Secretary said it is not a | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
blank cheque. Can he tell the House exactly what areas of spending | :35:53. | :35:56. | |
yesterday's promise covers? I was very clear last night. As I said, | :35:57. | :36:03. | |
money is no object in this relief effort and I want communities who | :36:04. | :36:07. | |
are suffering, and people who see water lapping at their doors to know | :36:08. | :36:11. | |
that when it comes to the military, when it comes to sandbags, when it | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
comes to the emergency services, one it comes to restoring broken flood | :36:16. | :36:21. | |
defences, money is no object. To be fair, this is what the Transport | :36:22. | :36:26. | |
Minister said. Money is not the issue in this relief job. He is | :36:27. | :36:33. | |
absolutely right. He is right about the relief effort. He said we will | :36:34. | :36:36. | |
spend whatever it takes to recover from this. And to make sure we have | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
a resilient country for the future. Let me give him an example in that | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
context. He praised the Environment Agency staff, but they are in the | :36:46. | :36:50. | |
process this year of making 550 people dealing with flooding | :36:51. | :36:55. | |
redundant. These are staff that help put in place and maintain flood | :36:56. | :36:58. | |
defences and help deal with clean-up. If money is no object, is | :36:59. | :37:03. | |
he committing now to reconsider these redundancies? Let me tell him | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
what we are doing with the Environment Agency and their | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
budget. We are spending ?2.4 billion over four years between 2010 - 2014, | :37:13. | :37:20. | |
comparing with ?2.2 billion in the previous four-year period. What I | :37:21. | :37:24. | |
can say to the House, and this is important, as the waters recede, it | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
will be important for the Environment Agency, for local | :37:29. | :37:31. | |
authorities, they must all look again at the flood patterns we have | :37:32. | :37:36. | |
seen, at the models they have, and work out what fresh flood defences | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
will be necessary. In addition, I can tell the House we will be | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
introducing a grant for all affected homeowners and businesses to build | :37:46. | :37:49. | |
in better flood protection as they repair their properties. That will | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
be up to ?5,000 per house, per business, and on top of that we are | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
announcing a ?10 million fund to help farmers who had seen their land | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
waterlogged day after day, week after week. And I can also announce | :38:04. | :38:07. | |
that we will be deferring the tax payments that businesses have to pay | :38:08. | :38:11. | |
and all of the businesses that have been affected by floods will get | :38:12. | :38:19. | |
100% business rate relief. Mr Speaker, these steps are welcome and | :38:20. | :38:26. | |
we welcome them across the House. I'm afraid he didn't answer the | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
question I asked. The 550 people that the Environment Agency are | :38:33. | :38:37. | |
planning to make redundant that work on flood defences. They are people | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
who are currently helping with the clean-up and put in place the flood | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
defences. Similarly on the issue of spending on flood defence, the | :38:47. | :38:50. | |
committee says we are spending less on flood defence then we should. My | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
question is a simple one. Given yesterday's promise to make sure we | :38:56. | :38:58. | |
have a resilient country for the future, and spend whatever it takes, | :38:59. | :39:04. | |
as he committing now to reconsider these redundancies, and reconsider | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
the amount of money we invest in flood defences? Let me tell him what | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
we are doing with the Environment Agency budget into the future. In | :39:13. | :39:16. | |
terms of the capital spending, we have set out the figures all the way | :39:17. | :39:23. | |
up to 2020. We have made capital spending pledges in areas like | :39:24. | :39:27. | |
transport and in terms of flood defences, pledges that no one else | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
is able to match, particularly not if they are committed to a 0-based | :39:32. | :39:36. | |
budget review, but promises we are happy to make so that people can see | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
how much money will be spent on flood defences, 2015, 2016, 2017, | :39:41. | :39:49. | |
2018, 2019, 2020. We are able to make those pledges because we have | :39:50. | :39:52. | |
managed our economy effectively and our budgets. I say to the Prime | :39:53. | :39:59. | |
Minister that he came along yesterday at his press conference | :40:00. | :40:03. | |
and made what sounded like a very grand promise to spend whatever it | :40:04. | :40:06. | |
takes to recover from this, and make sure we have a resilient country for | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
the future. And the simple point I'm making to think is that there are | :40:12. | :40:14. | |
real doubts when it comes to making members of the Environment Agency | :40:15. | :40:18. | |
who deal with flooding redundant. And the lack of investments with the | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
committee on climate change, the expert body, to invest in flood | :40:23. | :40:28. | |
defences says is not happening. He needs to reconsider those things. I | :40:29. | :40:31. | |
would urge the Prime Minister, the government need to speak with one | :40:32. | :40:36. | |
voice on this issue. The response needs to be speedier than it has | :40:37. | :40:40. | |
been, and everyone affected needs to feel they are getting the help they | :40:41. | :40:43. | |
need. If the government does this, they will have our full support. | :40:44. | :40:48. | |
What I said last night is exactly what I've said today. When it comes | :40:49. | :40:53. | |
to this relief effort, money will be no object. I don't want people to | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
worry about penny-pinching, as they see the vital work that is needed to | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
help them with their houses, to help them deal with the floods. That is | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
what this government is doing. We are deploying the military when we | :41:06. | :41:08. | |
have been asked for the military, deploying more pumps, raising the | :41:09. | :41:14. | |
compensation to local government to 100%, because that is what local | :41:15. | :41:17. | |
communities should have. I'm sorry he seeks to divide the House when we | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
should be coming together for the nation. Can I thank my right | :41:22. | :41:30. | |
honourable friend for his recent visit to Plymouth to discuss our | :41:31. | :41:35. | |
broken rail link? Will he commit our government to finding long-term | :41:36. | :41:38. | |
solutions to rail resilience in the far south-west? Will he join me | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
today in sending a very clear signal to the rest of the country that | :41:44. | :41:46. | |
despite our current problems, Devon and Cornwall is firmly open the | :41:47. | :41:51. | |
business? My honourable friend is right. That message needs to go out | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
loud and clear. Businesses, including tourist businesses, want | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
to see people's custom and want people to know that the peninsular | :42:01. | :42:06. | |
Devon and Cornwall -- that the peninsula is open for business. We | :42:07. | :42:10. | |
are finding ?31 million to fund ten rail resilient projects in the | :42:11. | :42:16. | |
south-west. This will include work at Cowley Bridge junction, Chipping | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
Sodbury, white walled tunnel, and a number of other places, and clearly | :42:21. | :42:26. | |
the most important thing is that Dawlish rail link, which I saw for | :42:27. | :42:31. | |
myself yesterday, the intense damage done to backtrack, and the huge | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
destruction that was wrought by the waves. That will take up to six | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
weeks. Network Rail are working as hard as they can, and any help they | :42:40. | :42:48. | |
need, they only need to ask. Number three, Mr Speaker. We are the first | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
government to name and shame employers who fail to pave the | :42:54. | :42:58. | |
minimum wage. The name of the first company was published in 2011. We | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
have revised the skin to make publication easier. I'm not | :43:03. | :43:04. | |
satisfied this has been going fast enough. Their density of those | :43:05. | :43:08. | |
companies found breaking the law will be made public very, very soon. | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
Can I thank the prime minister for his response but say to him that two | :43:14. | :43:16. | |
employment agencies in my constituency have been found not to | :43:17. | :43:19. | |
be paying the minimum wage to their workers and they have had to pay | :43:20. | :43:23. | |
penalties but the government says they got to protect the | :43:24. | :43:25. | |
confidentiality of these companies. My constituents think the government | :43:26. | :43:30. | |
is standing up for the wrong people. Will he look at it? We will be | :43:31. | :43:34. | |
publishing the name of these companies, something that never | :43:35. | :43:39. | |
happened under Labour. We are taking the action. When it comes to | :43:40. | :43:45. | |
penalties for not paying the mid-wage, if we look at the | :43:46. | :43:47. | |
penalties last year, over 700 employees received penalties for | :43:48. | :43:53. | |
failing to comply with minimum wage law, and the value of those | :43:54. | :43:56. | |
penalties was almost seven times higher than in the final year of the | :43:57. | :44:01. | |
last Labour government. So, we are hearing a lot of talk about | :44:02. | :44:04. | |
enforcing the minimum wage from the party opposite, and you see a lot of | :44:05. | :44:07. | |
action from the government right here. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Crime | :44:08. | :44:20. | |
is down 10%, and our excellent Home Secretary's police reforms are | :44:21. | :44:22. | |
allowing good offices to do more with less. But will the Prime | :44:23. | :44:29. | |
Minister immediately implement the Normington reforms of the Police | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
Federation said that police culture can be further improved? We are | :44:34. | :44:38. | |
working with the Police Federation on this issue. The Police Federation | :44:39. | :44:43. | |
is clearly an organisation in need of reform. To be fair to the new | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
head of the Police Federation, whom I met with, he recognises this and | :44:48. | :44:52. | |
he wants to act. We need to support him in sorting his organisation | :44:53. | :44:57. | |
out. Two weeks ago, the chief secretary to the Treasury ruled out | :44:58. | :45:06. | |
any further tax cats. Last week, he said it would be over his dead body. | :45:07. | :45:13. | |
Can the Prime Minister helped out by ruling out tax cats? Well, I saw him | :45:14. | :45:28. | |
this this morning at COBRA. Our priority is to cut taxes for low and | :45:29. | :45:32. | |
middle earners. That is what we have done. When it comes to April this | :45:33. | :45:37. | |
year, her constituents will be able to earn ?10,000 without paying any | :45:38. | :45:41. | |
income tax at all. That is equivalent to a 10% increase in the | :45:42. | :45:45. | |
minimum wage. It means their income tax bill will have gone down by two | :45:46. | :45:48. | |
thirds under this Government. Those are the sort of tax cuts we are | :45:49. | :45:54. | |
interested in. Can I thank the Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister | :45:55. | :45:58. | |
for their personal engagement with our issues on the Somerset Levels. | :45:59. | :46:02. | |
But, asking a question which identify the Secretary of State for | :46:03. | :46:07. | |
communities and local government grasped on Monday. Which is this. | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
When the emergency, the crisis phase of this problem, is over, we have to | :46:13. | :46:17. | |
have sustainable plans to protect people on the Somerset Levels. That | :46:18. | :46:22. | |
will require a revenue stream which will come through local government, | :46:23. | :46:25. | |
and that means changes to the way that is administered. When we have | :46:26. | :46:28. | |
those detailed plans, will the Prime Minister meet with me and others | :46:29. | :46:32. | |
from Somerset to ensure we have a sustainable future? I am very happy | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
to meet with him and other MPs from Somerset. I have visited twice | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
myself to see for myself. But the problem is, as we know, the pumping | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
capacity, which is taking 3 million tonnes, soon 5 million, of water off | :46:47. | :46:50. | |
the Somerset Levels, but because there is 65 million tonnes or more | :46:51. | :46:54. | |
of water it will take time. What we need to do, once that water level | :46:55. | :46:59. | |
stars to come down, is get the dredging going and work out the | :47:00. | :47:02. | |
long-term programme for making sure this man-made environment is | :47:03. | :47:05. | |
properly looked after by man so it is sustainable for the future. I am | :47:06. | :47:09. | |
very happy to meet with him and discuss that. Conditions outside our | :47:10. | :47:16. | |
dreadful. The voluntary sector, emergency services and individuals | :47:17. | :47:19. | |
have been amazing but people and businesses are angry and in the | :47:20. | :47:23. | |
south-west, they are angry because of the excessive costs they see of | :47:24. | :47:28. | |
HS2 when we have the whole of the West Country without a resilient | :47:29. | :47:32. | |
rail network. And the money announced today is welcome but not | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
enough. Will he commit in the medium term to ensuring support of growth | :47:37. | :47:46. | |
and... Recovery in the region, that Plymouth is put onto the strategic | :47:47. | :47:51. | |
transport network? It is not there at the moment and it should be. I | :47:52. | :47:56. | |
make three points to her. I understand the concern of her and | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
her constituents. Firstly, don't want anybody to be under the | :48:01. | :48:03. | |
misapprehension that HS2 will be built at the expense of the West | :48:04. | :48:07. | |
Country. In the next Parliament, we will spend three times more on other | :48:08. | :48:11. | |
road and rail schemes as we will spend on HS2, and some of those will | :48:12. | :48:15. | |
direct a benefit people in the West Country. Secondly, while we are | :48:16. | :48:19. | |
working as fast as we can to restore the Dawlish link, we do need to look | :48:20. | :48:24. | |
at longer term alternatives, and I have discussed this with Network | :48:25. | :48:27. | |
Rail and First Great Western, to see what more can be done. Thirdly, in | :48:28. | :48:34. | |
the meantime, while Dawlish is at -- as it is, we need to look at other | :48:35. | :48:42. | |
measures, and we have taken ?5 of the cost of flights, for example, | :48:43. | :48:46. | |
but we'll so need to make sure replacement bus services are as good | :48:47. | :48:50. | |
as they can be. -- we also. If we can do these things, it will lessen | :48:51. | :48:55. | |
the impact for the West Country. With flooding in front and for | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
residents and businesses, and more risk to my constituency with the | :49:00. | :49:05. | |
risk warnings for the Severn estuary, does the Prime Minister | :49:06. | :49:08. | |
agree that the action taken so far by various agencies and councils has | :49:09. | :49:13. | |
been helpful, and can he reassure my constituents that the Government | :49:14. | :49:18. | |
will continue to invest in flood defences? I can certainly give him | :49:19. | :49:22. | |
that assurance. He is right to mention the difficulties on the | :49:23. | :49:26. | |
River Severn, because several rivers, including the River Thames, | :49:27. | :49:32. | |
the River Tame and Areva why, are expecting flood fall. The pig is | :49:33. | :49:42. | |
expected on Sunday and Monday that -- the peak is expected on Sunday | :49:43. | :49:47. | |
and Monday and that could affect many people. It is worth making the | :49:48. | :49:51. | |
point, and this is to be fair to the last government as well as this one, | :49:52. | :49:56. | |
if you take the 2007 floods, when 55,000 homes were flooded, since | :49:57. | :49:59. | |
that time, if you look at the schemes that have been built, they | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
are actually protecting well over 1 million properties which would have | :50:04. | :50:06. | |
been flooded this time around were it not for the important work that | :50:07. | :50:12. | |
has been done. This week, Shelter found house prices have been rising. | :50:13. | :50:17. | |
And wages in most parts of the country. Does the Prime Minister not | :50:18. | :50:21. | |
agree that the lack of affordable housing is making the cost of living | :50:22. | :50:25. | |
crisis worse for millions of people across our country, and will he | :50:26. | :50:27. | |
confirm that this Government has presided over the fewest number of | :50:28. | :50:35. | |
homes built since the 1920s? Housing starts are up from the dreadful | :50:36. | :50:40. | |
situation we were left with and now we are investing huge amounts into | :50:41. | :50:45. | |
affordable housing. But make no apology that it is right to deal | :50:46. | :50:48. | |
with the demand side of housing as well as the supply side. Things like | :50:49. | :50:54. | |
help to buy schemes are helping to get builders building, because | :50:55. | :50:56. | |
builders will not build unless they believe buyers are able to buy. | :50:57. | :51:14. | |
I just want to put on record that the volunteer flood wardens, to | :51:15. | :51:28. | |
thank them for the work they are doing to help my constituents. I | :51:29. | :51:31. | |
welcome the schemes he has talked about. Will he ensure that the | :51:32. | :51:37. | |
detail for these schemes is made available to everybody affected so | :51:38. | :51:42. | |
they can make use of them? I think he makes an important point and I | :51:43. | :51:45. | |
know he is working very hard to bring people together in his own | :51:46. | :51:48. | |
constituency to make sure that everything can be done in Reading is | :51:49. | :51:55. | |
done. We will publish details on all of these announcements I have made | :51:56. | :51:58. | |
and we will add into that the fact that the major banks are coming | :51:59. | :52:04. | |
forward with over ?750 million of financial support, which will mean | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
repayment holidays, reduced or waived fees, loan extensions and | :52:09. | :52:12. | |
increased flexibility of terms and specialist support teams deployed on | :52:13. | :52:15. | |
the ground for businesses and farmers who desperately need help. | :52:16. | :52:20. | |
It is a time for our insurance companies and banks to demonstrate | :52:21. | :52:22. | |
real social responsibility. I believe they are beginning to do | :52:23. | :52:25. | |
that and we should encourage them to do so. Does the Prime Minister agree | :52:26. | :52:29. | |
that after months of letting energy companies get away with increasing | :52:30. | :52:33. | |
their profits on the back of hard-working people across this | :52:34. | :52:36. | |
country that the Energy Secretary's letter this week was simply too | :52:37. | :52:43. | |
little too late? I think he was right to write to Ofgem because they | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
are part of this competitive review which we have announced. But it is | :52:48. | :52:51. | |
on this side of the House that we have delivered the ?50 off else by | :52:52. | :52:55. | |
rolling back the cost of the green levies. That is the right approach | :52:56. | :53:03. | |
rather than promising a freeze to then see prices go back up. Does he | :53:04. | :53:10. | |
agree that policies creating more jobs than forecast is very | :53:11. | :53:14. | |
encouraging? But would you also agree that in order to get sustained | :53:15. | :53:19. | |
growth, we need businesses to invest more? So will he do all he can to | :53:20. | :53:24. | |
support my right honourable friend, the Chief Secretary, in encouraging | :53:25. | :53:29. | |
more business investment? In this next stage of the recovery, it is an | :53:30. | :53:34. | |
increase in business investment that we need to see. I think there are | :53:35. | :53:38. | |
positive signs from the last GDP numbers. She talks about there being | :53:39. | :53:42. | |
more jobs than forecast and it is whether bring the Leader of the | :53:43. | :53:46. | |
Opposition told the CBI in October 2010 they have a programme that will | :53:47. | :53:49. | |
lead to the disappearance of 1 million jobs. -- it is worth | :53:50. | :53:56. | |
remembering. Since then, we have seen 1.6 million private sector jobs | :53:57. | :54:00. | |
and 1.3 million more people in work. More forecasts like that, | :54:01. | :54:08. | |
please! With almost 1 million young people unemployed and a work | :54:09. | :54:12. | |
programme in the Chancellor's own words underperforming, Wilbur | :54:13. | :54:16. | |
Promina is to think again and introduce Labour's youth jobs | :54:17. | :54:21. | |
guarantee? -- will be Prime Minister think again? If you look at the job | :54:22. | :54:26. | |
creation record under this Government, as I have just said, 1.3 | :54:27. | :54:32. | |
million more people in work and a reduction in youth unemployment, a | :54:33. | :54:35. | |
reduction in long-term unemployment, more people in our | :54:36. | :54:38. | |
workforce than ever before. There is always more to do to get young | :54:39. | :54:42. | |
people into work. I think the best schemes we have had our ones like | :54:43. | :54:46. | |
the work experience scheme that seem to be providing real hope and jobs | :54:47. | :54:53. | |
for our young people. Can I thank my right honourable friend for coming | :54:54. | :54:57. | |
to Plymouth on Monday to see for himself how hard First Great Western | :54:58. | :55:00. | |
is working to try to get trains back on track. One thing that will be in | :55:01. | :55:05. | |
credibly helpful is to make sure we actually have a timetable for these | :55:06. | :55:08. | |
actions so we can deliver a resilient railway line as well? I | :55:09. | :55:13. | |
completely understand his concern. The gap in the rail provision | :55:14. | :55:19. | |
created by the Dawlish disaster is going to take time to deal with, and | :55:20. | :55:22. | |
above and beyond that, I know what he wants and people in Plymouth want | :55:23. | :55:27. | |
is a timetable of getting to a three-hour service implement to see | :55:28. | :55:30. | |
more trains arriving early in the morning. We have a longer term | :55:31. | :55:34. | |
programme of looking at rail alternatives and at the same time, | :55:35. | :55:40. | |
restoring the Dawlish line. With economic growth delayed for three | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
years after the election, we have been left... We have been left with | :55:45. | :55:52. | |
more young people. With more young people out of work long-term than at | :55:53. | :55:59. | |
any time for 20 years. Surely we must do more so we don't waste the | :56:00. | :56:05. | |
potential of a generation? I can only think the honourable gentleman | :56:06. | :56:08. | |
is suffering from a form of memory loss. He was a Treasury Minister | :56:09. | :56:15. | |
when we lost 7% of our GDP! When youth unemployment doubled! When | :56:16. | :56:18. | |
people were being thrown out of work! What has happened under this | :56:19. | :56:22. | |
Government, the economy is growing, 1.3 million more people in work with | :56:23. | :56:26. | |
young people getting back to work, while countries elsewhere are | :56:27. | :56:30. | |
struggling, and our economy is growing, and that is partly because | :56:31. | :56:33. | |
we took tough and difficult decisions to get the budget deficit, | :56:34. | :56:36. | |
which he and his henchmen left us, under control. Unfortunately, some | :56:37. | :56:46. | |
tourist concerns in my constituency reported lost bookings. Partly as a | :56:47. | :56:50. | |
result of over sensationalising the crisis that we have. When the crisis | :56:51. | :56:56. | |
is over, Wilbur Prime Minister talked to the Treasury about | :56:57. | :57:00. | |
allocating a sum of money to market the far south-west to potential | :57:01. | :57:05. | |
visitors and businesses, to get the message across we really are open | :57:06. | :57:08. | |
for business? -- will be Prime Minister? This is a concern of a | :57:09. | :57:16. | |
number of businesses that I have visited, all wanting to see much | :57:17. | :57:21. | |
more advertising and publicity about how Devon and Cornwall is open for | :57:22. | :57:24. | |
business. So I will take every opportunity I have to help with that | :57:25. | :57:28. | |
issue. When the Dawlish line is restored that will be a big moment | :57:29. | :57:32. | |
to really market the benefits of Devon and Cornwall wherever been on | :57:33. | :57:39. | |
holiday myself. -- where I have been. Can I ask to recall the day | :57:40. | :57:44. | |
when he asked the country to imagine a Tory government that would be the | :57:45. | :57:49. | |
most family-friendly in Europe? And when he reflects on that... When he | :57:50. | :57:57. | |
reflects on that day, will he consider the more recent report from | :57:58. | :58:01. | |
the centre for economic and business research, which shows the cost of | :58:02. | :58:06. | |
raising a child and getting that child through university has | :58:07. | :58:10. | |
actually risen by ?5,000 in one year? Does he think that for most | :58:11. | :58:15. | |
families, money is no object? Many families have faced a very tough | :58:16. | :58:19. | |
time in this country, not least because of the appalling recession | :58:20. | :58:24. | |
we had under the party opposite. But what this Government has introduced | :58:25. | :58:29. | |
is, we have taken steps to increase flexible working, we are introducing | :58:30. | :58:33. | |
tax free childcare, we have supported more childcare for | :58:34. | :58:36. | |
families and the last government did, helping to-year-olds, | :58:37. | :58:38. | |
three-year-olds and four-year-olds. We have the new rules on potential | :58:39. | :58:45. | |
shared leaf and now we have more people in work because the economy | :58:46. | :58:48. | |
is moving, businesses are employing people and those 1.3 million extra | :58:49. | :58:53. | |
jobs is 1.3 million extra families with the security and peace of mind | :58:54. | :58:56. | |
of a regular pay cheque coming in. And that is the best way to help our | :58:57. | :59:05. | |
families. Thank you. Through you, can I remind the Prime Minister that | :59:06. | :59:09. | |
in 1998, Northampton suffered serious floods, killing two people | :59:10. | :59:14. | |
and impact on upon 2000 houses. Since that time, I have noticed we | :59:15. | :59:20. | |
have not over bothered not to build upon flood plains. Will the Prime | :59:21. | :59:23. | |
Minister, after this episode has been dealt with, and his time is | :59:24. | :59:28. | |
more readily available, ensure we do not build on flood plains so people | :59:29. | :59:37. | |
are not inconvenienced in this way? I think the figures suggest that in | :59:38. | :59:41. | |
terms of applications for properties being built on flood rains, the | :59:42. | :59:44. | |
official advice, that includes advice from the Environment Agency, | :59:45. | :59:52. | |
that the advice is followed in 99% of situations. Areas like London are | :59:53. | :59:56. | |
part of a flood line so I do not think it is possible to say that no | :59:57. | :00:01. | |
house can ever be built on a flood plain, but what we need to do is | :00:02. | :00:04. | |
look at the walls, listen to the experts and only build where we can | :00:05. | :00:10. | |
protect. -- look at the rules. Thanks to the Parliament, Scots may | :00:11. | :00:18. | |
soon be free of the bedroom tax. So will he today even sure went to the | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
House and Scottish people that he will work with the Scottish | :00:24. | :00:26. | |
Government to help bring this about? -- will he today ensure? | :00:27. | :00:39. | |
Because if he won't, we will! Under our devolved system, different parts | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
of the United Kingdom can make different decisions to spend money | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
as they choose, but in my view it is not fair to say to some of the in | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
private rented accommodation that you don't get money for extra | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
bedrooms when you say to someone in social accommodation that you do. I | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
think it is a basic issue of fairness and that is why it has | :00:58. | :01:06. | |
overwhelming public support. I undertook a one and a half hour walk | :01:07. | :01:12. | |
to experience the real difficulties that blind and partially sighted | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
people experience as pedestrians. It was very tricky. Will my right | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
honourable friend look very carefully at the recommendations of | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
that organisation for shared street surfaces? I will look carefully at | :01:26. | :01:31. | |
what my honourable friend says. I think everyone has noticed how huge | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
amount of improvements have been made to the way streets and traffic | :01:36. | :01:38. | |
lights on pavements and everything arranged for particularly this | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
purpose and I'm very happy to look at what he says and what more needs | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
to be done. If the Prime Minister believes that flood defences are so | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
important, why did he cut the budget? As I've explained, we will | :01:53. | :01:59. | |
be spending ?2.4 billion in this four-year period, compared with ?2.2 | :02:00. | :02:04. | |
billion under Labour. He will find 2.4 is more than 2.2. Also, by | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
setting up the spending figures all the way up to 2020, he has to ask | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
the Shadow Chancellor who is backing majestic elation game, if he's going | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
to have a 0-based budget review, doesn't he have to admit to his | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
colleagues that he cannot guarantee to match any of the spending we have | :02:24. | :02:34. | |
announced? Silence. The Prime Minister is aware of a cross-party | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
group of some 80 MPs campaigning for recognition of our nuclear test | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
veterans. Given the UK compares poorly as to how other countries | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
treat their veterans, and the very high incidence of ill health | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
suffered by their descendants, would the Prime Minister meet with us, | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
given we have hit a brick wall with the MoD, and given this | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
government's good track record at recognising past wrongs? I know my | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
honourable friend has consistently campaigned on this issue and I have | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
discussed it with him before, and director him a month ago, setting up | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
the government's view about this. This and previous governments | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
frequently stated as issue is that there is no peer review residence of | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
mortality, but it is right to look at going on this issue -- to go on | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
looking at Prime ministers questions, dominated | :03:28. | :03:42. | |
by the floods. It is expected to get worse with more rain on its way. The | :03:43. | :03:48. | |
exchange between Mr Miliband and Mr Cameron began with discussions about | :03:49. | :03:51. | |
what could be done to help people who are currently suffering and | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
those who might suffer as it gets worse. They moved on to questions | :03:55. | :03:57. | |
about how much has been spent, has the government cut, is it spending | :03:58. | :04:04. | |
more than Labour, what did the Prime Minister turned a little bit nasty. | :04:05. | :04:11. | |
The Prime Minister maintaining he is spending more in the five-year | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
period than Labour did in an equivalent five-year period. And | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
also saying that the figures we gave this morning are right. And also | :04:20. | :04:27. | |
spending up to 2020. There was floods. What else? Quite a few of | :04:28. | :04:35. | |
the viewers noticed the preponderance of women on the Tory | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
front bench. A week late? They say that. One says, an impressive Mr | :04:41. | :04:46. | |
Miliband capturing the country's concern and anger in the right | :04:47. | :04:49. | |
proportions. I can't help but think the Prime Minister has made it | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
political gaffe. That is visited about the floods. Another, Ed | :04:55. | :05:02. | |
Miliband is trying his best, but he is out of his depth. This from John | :05:03. | :05:08. | |
Morris in Worcester, Mr Cameron is like King Canute - a load of ladies | :05:09. | :05:20. | |
appearing too late on his front flood defences to lead. Will David | :05:21. | :05:26. | |
Cameron reiterate his comments on insurance companies paying quickly? | :05:27. | :05:32. | |
And this one from Julie, look at them. Look at that build-up. | :05:33. | :05:39. | |
Westminster needs dredging. I think they are talking about us. This | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
could be a long while away because of the weather, and how sodden the | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
ground is, but when this ceases to be an immediate problem, when it all | :05:50. | :05:52. | |
dies down, what will the political consequences be? I think two. The | :05:53. | :05:59. | |
first is whether a leader looks like he has got grip. Lots of people are | :06:00. | :06:07. | |
not obsessed with politics, but when trains are cancelled, homes flooded, | :06:08. | :06:13. | |
they suddenly zone in on the guy in charge and think, does he look like | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
he has got it, is he doing the right thing? One of the reasons every | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
single politician has been donning their wellies in the last couple of | :06:22. | :06:29. | |
days, they know that the election is coming up. They know that particular | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
in areas of the South and West, the competition sometimes involving | :06:35. | :06:40. | |
Labour, but it is a Tory and Lib Dem battle. And the impressions formed | :06:41. | :06:47. | |
now harden, not just for the elections this May, but also the | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
general election next year. And Ed Miliband was talking about do you | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
not just spend money to repair the damage done now, do you spend money | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
no object to actually deal with the potential of future floods caused by | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
climate change, and the figure I put to the Prime Minister yesterday of | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
about half ?1 billion estimated by the climate change committee at what | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
they say would be necessary to improve that. And what was | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
interesting, he was asked about that and the cuts to the staff of the | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
Environment Agency, and he repeatedly did not answer the | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
question. Will the Prime Minister come to regret money no object? We | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
have a contingency fund in government. It is entirely right it | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
is spent at this time... Yes, but that is limited, and money no | :07:41. | :07:47. | |
object? He's offering money to householders and businesses so that | :07:48. | :07:49. | |
they can get their houses repaired, putting measures to make sure they | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
are less likely to flood in the future. These are all welcome | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
measures. I think there is a debate that we have to have. Outside that | :07:58. | :08:03. | |
sort of environment. But with real experts to sort of see different | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
ways of getting much more money into making our whole economy more | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
resilient against the weather. That is going to require politicians to | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
work together, it is going to have to be big, and we need to recognise | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
that if we don't do this and don't have a 25 year plan, we are going to | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
consign future generations to real problems. Picking up Nick's point, | :08:26. | :08:33. | |
money is no object, he has committed himself to that. The cameras are | :08:34. | :08:43. | |
around. Now adding, "for relief. " and he said he wants a resilient | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
country in the future. That I think is something we have to hold him to | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
account for. We have to be strategic so that in two or three years time, | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
perhaps something like this might happen again, we need to make sure | :08:58. | :09:03. | |
we are prepared. It may be the reason the Prime Minister is not | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
promising to reverse the job cuts at the Environment Agency is he thinks | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
they don't need to cut them. But if they cut jobs at headquarters, if | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
they did less of the things they do at headquarters, they could spend | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
more on the front line. The Environment Agency does a lot of | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
different work and people have been drawn in from all the other areas, a | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
quality in all the other things, to deal with this problem. -- air | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
quality. The senior management needs to say, yes, we can cope we don't | :09:34. | :09:39. | |
need thousand people. It added 1000 people in the past year. For | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
example, on the capital funding, the Darling plan at the end of the last | :09:46. | :09:51. | |
Labour government was going to see a 50% cut in departments like DEFRA. | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
They would probably say they would knew once that as far as flat -- | :09:58. | :10:03. | |
flooding is concerned. As we need to find a way to pay for the huge | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
amount of work that needs to be done over two or three decades to make | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
sure we are resilient. But as the recommendation to spend twice as | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
much money than we are at the moment to protect us from the floods? We | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
have to make a hard-nosed decision. How much will you spend to protect | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
us from the droughts? This is the problem you all face. If you are | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
telling us that climate change, global warming, can mean anything at | :10:29. | :10:34. | |
all, it could be the polar vortex coming into Chicago in the middle of | :10:35. | :10:40. | |
America, or the hottest temperatures in Australia, or it can be flooding | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
and drought, I have no idea how you can respond. Many people will say | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
don't talk about droughts, it will make you look out of touch. But I | :10:50. | :10:57. | |
will talk about them. If we had a dry year in 2012, if the Duke of | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
Edinburgh hadn't been made to stand in the rate on that memorable day at | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
the Jubilee, we would have faced more anger. In the six largest -- we | :11:05. | :11:10. | |
other sixth-largest economy in the world, we would have seen people | :11:11. | :11:18. | |
collecting water from tanks. I want concentrate on the floods. They are | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
now moving into a richer part of the country, closest to the national | :11:24. | :11:26. | |
media. That means they are getting a lot more coverage. A lot of people | :11:27. | :11:33. | |
in the North... Yes, a lot more deaths and damage in the north, I | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
did remember this wall-to-wall coverage in 2007. The governor of | :11:38. | :11:47. | |
the Bank of England made an amazing announcement this morning, which, if | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
true, it has huge potential. The Bank of England is forecasting the | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
economy will grow by 3.4% this year! Gangbusters, I think is the | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
technical term. It is way above trend and might be filed under | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
room. He's saying business investment is going to rise by 11%, | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
which is what we have been waiting for because this growth is not | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
sustainable on consumer spending alone. I put a caveat here, because | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
the Bank of England forecasts don't come out as planned, especially when | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
it involves inflation, but if that is true, that is a potential | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
political game changer. Absolutely, that is what it would be. | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
Politicians of all parties and economies have been saying, when | :12:35. | :12:37. | |
will businesses spend the money they've got in their bank accounts? | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
I did mean small businesses, big corporations who have got fast | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
cash. ?750 billion. The only defence of what is a consumer led growth at | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
the moment has been the hope that the consumer will persuade companies | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
to unlock their bank balances. If not, we are in trouble because we | :12:58. | :13:05. | |
will be in debt. If he is right, if his forecast is right, this totally | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
changes the nature of the economic debate. It's interesting the Tories | :13:10. | :13:17. | |
couldn't even prime, because of the floods, they couldn't even prime a | :13:18. | :13:24. | |
Tory backbencher to mention this. The backbenchers are primed to ask | :13:25. | :13:30. | |
questions at PMQs? What would anybody say about that? They have to | :13:31. | :13:37. | |
look to not be complacent. When you talk to people, they feel that the | :13:38. | :13:44. | |
growth in the economy doesn't affect them. They are finding the cost of | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
living is making life more and more difficult, every month, they are | :13:49. | :13:54. | |
poorer. I am well aware of the squeeze on the middle and below | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
middle incomes in recent years, but what your party cannot answer is if | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
it is a crisis, if it is as bad as you make out, how come people are | :14:06. | :14:11. | |
spending more than ever? Why our retail sales at record levels? It | :14:12. | :14:15. | |
has been driven by house prices in London and the south-east. Why would | :14:16. | :14:21. | |
that mean people are spending more? Because they are selling houses, it | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
is worth employing people to do their places up. Have you been to | :14:26. | :14:36. | |
Gateshead? It is packed with people! In Birmingham, Manchester. It is not | :14:37. | :14:43. | |
just in London. It is a South East centric picture. I was in Plymouth, | :14:44. | :14:46. | |
in the shopping centre there, and people do not feel the boom has hit | :14:47. | :14:52. | |
there. I don't think there is a boom because it hasn't hit yet. They are | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
finding it as more and more difficult to make ends meet. The | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
whole debate has changed. Ed Balls' comments about an increase in | :15:02. | :15:07. | |
unemployment and an increase in problems have been proved wrong. The | :15:08. | :15:15. | |
trend growth as they call it is 2.5%, so it is massively above | :15:16. | :15:21. | |
trend. There will be an national cull of economists because nobody | :15:22. | :15:31. | |
told us it was coming. What did you predict? I predicted it would be | :15:32. | :15:38. | |
above 3%. Where did the Queen go when she said, why did none of you | :15:39. | :15:44. | |
see it coming? Shoes at the Bank of England. Nobody saw it coming. | :15:45. | :15:56. | |
Anyway, we will see. Now, half the country might be flooded... | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
Well, not quite as much as half! But there has been concerned that | :16:01. | :16:02. | |
certain establishments popular with the Westminster elite might be | :16:03. | :16:09. | |
drying up. Get the connection? First, the restaurant known as the | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
Labour Party canteen was put up for sale. Then there were rumours it | :16:16. | :16:21. | |
might become a wine bar. I think they might be right. I prefer wine | :16:22. | :16:27. | |
bars to pubs. They were saying it might be a pub. But for the flow of | :16:28. | :16:34. | |
the narrative, Andrew! We sent former Labour spin doctor Charlie | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
Whelan on a trip down memory lane, and, needless to say, there were a | :16:40. | :16:42. | |
few drinks along the way! Ah! Those were the days! Well, for | :16:43. | :16:58. | |
some of us at least. Now, we have all heard about what went on behind | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
closed doors of Downing Street, but where did the real business go on? | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
The red Lion, Westminster's most notorious watering hole. Some said | :17:08. | :17:10. | |
it would be turned into a trendy wine bar but it isn't. Apparently, | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
it is just getting a face-lift. It was in here where spin doctors, | :17:16. | :17:19. | |
politicians and civil servants would meet after a hard day's work. I was | :17:20. | :17:25. | |
enjoying a drink in the Red Lion when Tony Blair phoned me on my | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
mobile. Obviously I couldn't speak to the premise in the pub so I came | :17:30. | :17:40. | |
here he wanted to know why the time was splashing on Britain and the | :17:41. | :17:48. | |
euro. This was the restaurant where I met Gordon Brown to talk about the | :17:49. | :17:52. | |
leadership of the Labour Party after Tony Blair. He came back and was | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
hungry because it was a trendy restaurant and they don't eat there! | :17:59. | :18:01. | |
He said, I have done a deal with Tony Blair. I'd just laughed my head | :18:02. | :18:14. | |
off! -- I. So, the two chairman, where I would meet for more intimate | :18:15. | :18:21. | |
chats. New Labour needed a story to show that we, too, could be tough on | :18:22. | :18:28. | |
public spending. The Royal yacht! Yeah. A few of us came up with that | :18:29. | :18:35. | |
idea. And we did splash in a few of the Sunday papers but the problem | :18:36. | :18:38. | |
was, nobody bothered to tell Tony Blair! Or the Queen! Could you | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
remember things after you had had a few? Yes. After a few white wines | :18:45. | :18:52. | |
precursors, a few beers and some soda water. I still think it was you | :18:53. | :18:58. | |
rather than me writing it down. It was in the telling rather than the | :18:59. | :19:07. | |
hearing. What was that? I think it was unemployment... I remember | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
before one Budget, I'd nicked into the press gallery bar. Only about | :19:12. | :19:15. | |
half an hour before Gordon was about to step up and speak. -- I nipped. I | :19:16. | :19:22. | |
said, can I have about 5000 cigarettes, please? I think they got | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
the message that he was going to put up tax on cigarettes! Over to Soho, | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
and a politicians' favourite restaurant. If you already famous, | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
you got your picture on the wall. ICU have Michael Foot up here. Sadly | :19:37. | :19:48. | |
missed. -- I see you have. Tony Blair's book up there. Did Tony ever | :19:49. | :19:58. | |
come here? I don't think I saw him. Gordon and Damien Duff this place, | :19:59. | :20:06. | |
too. I always thought, who is this? Charlie! Unbelievable! Doesn't look | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
anything like me! You look so much healthier now. My ugly mug up here! | :20:12. | :20:22. | |
Who is this? Andrew Neil! Tell us a few stories about Andrew Neil. I'm a | :20:23. | :20:30. | |
Saint! He would kill me! -- I must not. Oh, I am filled up now! -- full | :20:31. | :20:43. | |
up. Following that attractive portrait, | :20:44. | :20:46. | |
we have the man here in the flesh. Do you miss it all? Certainly not! I | :20:47. | :20:52. | |
enjoyed fishing in the Highlands of Scotland! Is it not true? Do you not | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
feel some warmth in your heart as you watch that film, thinking, I | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
could be briefing with those friendly journalists in the pubs and | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
watering holes around Westminster? It was certainly fun to go back but | :21:06. | :21:09. | |
today there is a lot more pressure. You have the whole social media that | :21:10. | :21:17. | |
wasn't around then. And you were speaking on your phone and you | :21:18. | :21:20. | |
thought, somebody is bound to be listening in. So it was a matter of | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
meeting in pubs and it was fun, I will be honest. So it has changed. | :21:25. | :21:31. | |
With Twitter it is so instant, so did you have a bit more ease of | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
pressure to sit, brief journalists in your favourite pubs, and spend | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
the afternoon talking about politics? We certainly did. It is | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
not just me. The journalists today, there are few of them, there is | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
pressure and they all have to produce instant stories for their | :21:50. | :21:52. | |
websites. They have to tweak themselves. So the journalists don't | :21:53. | :21:58. | |
have time. They cannot spend an afternoon with Charlie Whelan in the | :21:59. | :22:01. | |
pub! But we used to. And did it work? Clearly books have been | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
written about the successful spin operation but did it work for you? | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
Yes, because sometimes... You know, a couple of journalists who came up | :22:12. | :22:18. | |
with that Royal yacht story. They came up with that. Journalists know | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
what makes a good story. Could you survive into day's environment? I | :22:23. | :22:30. | |
don't think so! Of course you could! You think it will be difficult to | :22:31. | :22:33. | |
get that sort of operation that Labour were? Could you do that now? | :22:34. | :22:40. | |
I think we could but you would probably have to cut out the | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
drinking a bit! So you would have to be a bit more healthy. I love that | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
story -5000 cigarettes before the Budget! Well, it was just not knows | :22:50. | :23:01. | |
bagging every day from Westminster. Do you think it is better that | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
Westminster has cleaned up a bit? It is cafe lottos and sparkly water? | :23:07. | :23:17. | |
Well, I don't know. When you told the Prime Minister we were joining | :23:18. | :23:21. | |
the euro, what did he say? Gordon Brown said he had never been so | :23:22. | :23:24. | |
shocked in all his life ever than to be told by Charlie Whelan. But I had | :23:25. | :23:31. | |
assumed that Alistair Campbell and Tony Blair knew about it. And the | :23:32. | :23:37. | |
reason why the Prime Minister rang me was because Alistair Campbell had | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
gone a while, and I don't blame him! -- had gone missing. I think we | :23:42. | :23:52. | |
had briefed The Times. So they had forgotten to tell Alistair Campbell | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
and Tony Blair? So the Prime Minister was the last man to know! | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
You were accused of leaking information that led to the | :24:03. | :24:08. | |
resigning of Lord Mandelson. Home alone? Did he leak it? I suspect he | :24:09. | :24:15. | |
leaked it against himself! Was that not you, the first time? I would | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
never do anything to damage Peter Mandelson's career! Say that hand on | :24:22. | :24:27. | |
heart! What about now? And Miliband's operation - do you think | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
it runs a tight ship? He seems to be doing the right things. There was | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
talk yesterday of going to India. I did a tweet saying, of course he | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
cannot go to India. And then he is not going. So they are aware of | :24:43. | :24:45. | |
things like the floods and how to deal with them. A great training | :24:46. | :24:52. | |
ground reporting on me as a councillor! Don't go away because, | :24:53. | :25:00. | |
Charlie, cast your mind back to the sum of 2007. A little while but we | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
can remember. Britain had a new Prime Minister. It was Gordon Brown! | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
A surge in popularity called the Brown Bounce! Where did that come | :25:13. | :25:21. | |
from, you ask? It was down to his response to the tough floods at the | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
time. He is talking to Nick Robinson about how the saving of a power | :25:26. | :25:29. | |
station in Gloucester was so important. I think people would be | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
very worried if the damning didn't work and they weren't able to use | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
the heavy pumps to get water out, because then that electricity power | :25:39. | :25:41. | |
station would deprive millions of people of power and that would have | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
a run-off effect to hospitals, shops and stores. And therefore it would | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
cause a huge additional problem, not just for people who had lost their | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
electricity but people then losing water and ability to get supplies, | :25:55. | :25:57. | |
so it was a very important effort last night and I was involved right | :25:58. | :26:04. | |
up till 11pm. So, that was the then Prime Minister on the floods of | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
2007. Why should point out 13 people died in these floods and 40 44,600 | :26:09. | :26:22. | |
homes were flooded. What about how Gordon Brown handled that at the | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
time? Well, maybe they should have worked with people who dealt with | :26:29. | :26:36. | |
those floods. The main thing is working swiftly... He put pickles -- | :26:37. | :26:44. | |
Eric Pickles up. You don't really want him in charge of a flood | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
disaster. He has taken control himself now so he is coming back but | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
he has been forced to go of a flood disaster. He has taken control | :26:53. | :26:54. | |
himself now so he is coming back but he has been forced to go bit further | :26:55. | :26:57. | |
than he wanted to by saying, money is no object, which he will come to | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
regret. It is a crazy thing to say but another Prime Minister is | :27:03. | :27:07. | |
saying, it is not a blank cheque. And you can imagine the Treasury | :27:08. | :27:10. | |
pulling their hair out with the Prime Minister saying, money is no | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
object! We have had conflicting signals from the Government. Some | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
say Cameron was slow to get into this and there is still the question | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
of what they mean by money. But people do not want to see | :27:25. | :27:27. | |
politicians give conflicting messages. They don't fully want to | :27:28. | :27:33. | |
see politicians, to be honest. It is a very important point because we | :27:34. | :27:36. | |
used to debate this the whole time and DEFRA, but if you go too soon, | :27:37. | :27:43. | |
you are in the way, if you go too late, you are behind the curve, but | :27:44. | :27:50. | |
you have to go. As a junior minister, that timing... But did | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
they have to put their Wellington boots on and go? They have to go? | :27:55. | :28:03. | |
Did Gordon Brown go? Yes. And bringing in the troops is always a | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
good idea. But one thing you have to run the is, and I think you | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
mentioned it earlier, that this is only affecting a small part of | :28:13. | :28:18. | |
southern England. The whole of the North and Scotland, they will be | :28:19. | :28:25. | |
saying, oh! Well, we have to hold you there, because this is what the | :28:26. | :28:35. | |
answer was. You have won a mild! Thanks to all of our guests, and in | :28:36. | :28:41. | |
particular, Emily and Richard. The one o'clock News is starting over on | :28:42. | :28:49. | |
BBC One now. We will be joined by Scotland's Deputy First Minister, | :28:50. | :28:51. | |
Nicola Sturgeon. Until then, goodbye. | :28:52. | :28:57. |