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Morning folks and welcome to the Daily Politics. | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
Men were sacked, women promoted - but how different does government | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
A new Foreign Secretary and European Commissioner. | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
The last Conservative Europhile around the cabinet table, out. | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
Is Britain moving closer to a European exit? | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
The last Prime Minster's Questions before MPs swap | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
the green benches for the beach - we'll bring you that live at noon. | :00:59. | :01:04. | |
You bad mouth them - then you have to meet them. | :01:05. | :01:07. | |
We bring you the most cringe-worthy political encounters. | :01:08. | :01:15. | |
All that coming up in the next 90 minutes of the very | :01:16. | :01:18. | |
And after yesterday's brutal ministerial | :01:19. | :01:26. | |
reshuffle, a little compassion here at the Daily Politics. | :01:27. | :01:28. | |
Despite losing his job yesterday, we've kept him on. | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
He was a cabinet office minister, now just a plain MP - Ken Clarke. | :01:32. | :01:37. | |
And she's not male or stale, and she's still got her job - for now. | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
Ken, were you jumped -- did you jump or you pushed? I was obviously going | :01:42. | :01:57. | |
to retire. I thought I was going to retire the last time. I agreed with | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
David I would do a couple of years. As by far the oldest member of the | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
Government, decided to leave. The press were very slow to realise I | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
was demob happy. I saw a smile on your face. Wednesday, Thursday and | :02:12. | :02:18. | |
Friday of last week I was at Trent Bridge for a Test match. On Monday I | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
came down and handed in my retirement. David knew it was | :02:24. | :02:31. | |
coming. We had a very good chat. I have only just started being a | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
minister. I was beginning to pick it up I! You are a slow learner. If he | :02:35. | :02:41. | |
had asked you to stay, would you have stayed? He would have had to | :02:42. | :02:49. | |
persuade me. He persuaded me to come back to the front bench about six | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
years ago when I was the most rebellious backbencher in the House | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
of Commons. I was rather surprised to get the invitation. Better to be | :02:56. | :03:04. | |
an insider than outside. You are going to stand as an MP again? Yes. | :03:05. | :03:13. | |
I am a political anorak. I find the process of governance is | :03:14. | :03:15. | |
fascinating. I find politics fascinating. What do you make of | :03:16. | :03:25. | |
these changes? It has been billed as ladies table the consequence of | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
ladies day is we have the same number of women MPs in the Cabinet | :03:31. | :03:36. | |
as 2011. Even then it was only five. David has always brought women in. | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
He has lost three from the Cabinet already. I hope this lot will have a | :03:40. | :03:46. | |
good long stint. They will only have nine months. You must point on | :03:47. | :03:53. | |
merit. But where people are of equal talent, I would give women the | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
preference because we need more women in politics. | :03:58. | :03:58. | |
preference because we need more women in It is a shame we don't have | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
so many women in politics. These are good women. Maybe people will stop | :04:02. | :04:08. | |
commenting on their gender, criticising what they wear etc, and | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
just accept it is a government... We are a long way from that. Maybe so. | :04:15. | :04:23. | |
Why did he take so long? Tony Blair used to reshuffle once every nine | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
months. John Reid had five Cabinet jobs in four years. I think he has | :04:29. | :04:36. | |
gone back to a better tradition of having a big reshuffle once, twice | :04:37. | :04:43. | |
at the most common in the course of a parliament. There is no point in | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
appointing a minister who will not master is or her brief to get on | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
with doing something. These ministers have only got ten months | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
where they will not do very much. They only have two demonstrate their | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
ministerial calibre. They have to campaign more. He should leave them | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
in post after the election when they win it. Can the Tories win an | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
overall majority? I think it is a tall order. If you were to look me | :05:11. | :05:20. | |
in the eye and tell me you knew who was going to win the next election | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
precisely, I wouldn't believe you. I am looking you in the eye but I am | :05:26. | :05:33. | |
not telling you that. The cynicism about politics, the anti-political | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
nihilism, more difficult than ever before. But we are more likely to be | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
the biggest single party. before. But we are more likely to be | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
challenge for the Conservative Party is to get the overall majority. If | :05:47. | :05:52. | |
it is a minority government, should Mr Cameron do another deal with the | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
Lib Dems or run a minority government? I don't understand this | :05:56. | :06:01. | |
minority government 's tough because you cannot do anything. We are in | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
the middle of a financial crisis. The next comment has to take | :06:05. | :06:12. | |
stronger steps. A coalition. I feared a hung parliament. I didn't | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
think British politicians could do it. I thought we were all too | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
tribal. The big success was to form a coalition and put the national | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
interest first. It is the only way to handle it. You have done public | :06:26. | :06:36. | |
sector reform. You have logged the forces of conservatism in the eye | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
and done it. -- looked. Why move Michael Gove, the most successful | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
public service reform, according to his supporters, and give the people | :06:48. | :06:53. | |
who opposed them a scalp? I don't know. I was as surprised as | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
everybody else. My guess is, to just quieten the subject down in the | :06:59. | :07:05. | |
run-up to the election, when Margaret, despite my protests, | :07:06. | :07:07. | |
insisted on moving me from the Department of Health and putting me | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
on to education, I argued the toss. She insisted on moving me. I cannot | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
remember what reason she gave me. It was pretty silly! I realised that he | :07:19. | :07:25. | |
rapidly her intention was to quieten me down before the election. Michael | :07:26. | :07:32. | |
will be back. The run-up to the election is more important than the | :07:33. | :07:35. | |
school reform to the prime Minister? If you live in a Parliamentary | :07:36. | :07:43. | |
democracy, you have to accept that tough things need to be done in the | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
first two or three years. By the last ten months you have to start | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
campaigning because you want to finish the job, which I hope we | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
will. I am glad you are here today. Liz, it is your turn! After | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
everything that happened yesterday, it was very dramatic, much more | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
extensive than anybody thought, can expect a Labour reshuffle? I have no | :08:07. | :08:13. | |
idea. I have heard nothing. Don't know anything. No idea. Do you think | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
there should be a Labour re-shore full? You know that is a matter for | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
Ed Miliband and it is way above my pay grade. I don't know if I am | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
allowed to, but one of the things I wanted to ask Ken was, obviously it | :08:30. | :08:39. | |
is more of a Eurosceptic Cabinet now, and you have fought all your | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
political life for a moderate one nation Conservative Party. Do you | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
think you're leaving means that is gone? We are going to talk about | :08:50. | :09:00. | |
Europe. You have two weight! One of my views about the reshuffle is, | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
that is the thing I am most worried about. You can come back to that. | :09:05. | :09:12. | |
But other look at the team for a labourer. The Guardian ICM poll this | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
week had you in second place behind the Conservatives. -- for a | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
labourer. Doesn't that indicated time to freshen up your team? I have | :09:21. | :09:27. | |
no idea if there is going to be a reshuffle. I think it is going to be | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
really tough before the general election. For all the parties, for | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
the reasons Ken said. The biggest problem is that people are so fed up | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
with politicians. They don't hear anything we say because we often | :09:43. | :09:45. | |
don't sound like them or look like them. You don't think your team | :09:46. | :09:54. | |
sounds or looks like them? When you are knocking on doors, people's view | :09:55. | :10:00. | |
about politics and politicians, not trusting us, not believing us, not | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
believing we care about what they do, I believe my party does. I am | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
under no illusions about the scale of the challenge. Do you agree with | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
Ken Clarke that it will be very difficult for the Conservatives to | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
have an overall majority? Would be very difficult to have an overall | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
majority for Labour? I think it is too close to call. We are playing to | :10:24. | :10:31. | |
win. There is a big fight over the next ten months. Why have the | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
opinion polls narrowed over the last few months, so much so that the | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
Conservatives have even gone ahead in several? I think people are | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
thinking about what is happening in their lives. Certainly over the | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
course of the European elections, we saw UKIP do very well, taking votes | :10:50. | :10:56. | |
of the Tories. Why have the Conservatives gone ahead? People are | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
generally looking for parties and provide an answer to the problems | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
they face. UKIP have come in with easy answers that I do not believe | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
the answers. That has had an impact. Charles Clarke thinks the most | :11:11. | :11:16. | |
output -- outcome is a Tory overall majority because Ed Miliband lacks | :11:17. | :11:22. | |
credibility. I do not agree with Charles Clarke. Ed is a passionate | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
and tough leader. It is going to be incredibly tough. It is all to play | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
for and we are playing to win. He is a big beast, Charles Clarke. I hate | :11:33. | :11:43. | |
that term! He is a worse leader than Neal Kinnock, he says of Ed | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
Miliband. I don't agree with that. The most important thing Ed has | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
identified is that the economy was not working for people on Middle or | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
low incomes even before the financial crash. That is because of | :11:57. | :12:02. | |
the structure of the economy, connotation from across the world. | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
Not just low skilled jobs but middle skilled jobs are being lost. He | :12:08. | :12:13. | |
identified that first and foremost. We have had many opinion polls where | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
we have had a lead. Some have gone down, some will go up macro. The | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
central issue is how we get our economy to work for ordinary | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
people, not just those of the top. He was the first to identify that I | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
believe we have the policies to sort those problems. I will not call you | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
big beast. That is the least of my worries! | :12:36. | :12:37. | |
Ken wasn't the only big beast to leave cabinet - but he was | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
And yesterday also saw the departure of Foreign Secretary William Hague. | :12:43. | :12:56. | |
So what does this all mean for the Conservative Party and | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
Well Andrew, while David Cameron was reshuffling his ministerial pack | :13:00. | :13:07. | |
yesterday, Jean Claude Juncker was confirmed as the new President - or | :13:08. | :13:14. | |
Cameron thinks his ace in Europe is this man - the relative | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
He is currently the Conservative leader in the House of Lords | :13:19. | :13:24. | |
and now the PM's nominee for European Commissioner. | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
But will Mr Juncker see him as an ace or a joker? | :13:29. | :13:31. | |
He'll be doing the job as Mr Cameron tries to renegotiate Britain's | :13:32. | :13:37. | |
membership of the EU ahead of the proposed in/out referendum in 2017. | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
A referendum in which the new Foreign Secretary - jack of all | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
trades - Philip Hammond, has said he could contemplate voting to leave. | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
And the European Court of Human Rights could also be in the | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
firing line, as the departure of Dominic Grieve as Attorney General | :13:54. | :13:55. | |
is seen as clearing the way for a tougher stance on the human rights | :13:56. | :13:59. | |
And joining us now is UKIP's deputy leader, Paul Nuttall. | :14:00. | :14:11. | |
He is in the entertainment capital of Europe, known as Strasberg. You | :14:12. | :14:19. | |
can see he is enjoying himself. -- Strasbourg. It is the Las Vegas of | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
the German, Franco border. Is this the most Eurosceptic Cabinet we have | :14:25. | :14:36. | |
ever had, Ken Clarke? No, it is not. I am the most outspoken pro-European | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
who has left the Cabinet but I am not the only pro-European by a long | :14:40. | :14:47. | |
way. Who is left? There is nobody in the Cabinet who wants to leave the | :14:48. | :14:50. | |
European Union. The others can speak for themselves. I was in a position | :14:51. | :14:57. | |
as the elder statesman of being slightly more outspoken than some of | :14:58. | :15:04. | |
my colleagues. Pre-Harold Macmillan... I heard Harold | :15:05. | :15:16. | |
Macmillan make an announcement. Let's not go there. What went wrong? | :15:17. | :15:24. | |
I don't know, really. It was a reaction to the fall of Margaret | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
Thatcher, and Conrad Black buying the Daily Telegraph, but this is | :15:30. | :15:42. | |
probably not the time. Paul Nuttall, although Mr Clarke finds it quite | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
hard to admit, this is the most Eurosceptic cabinet that has ever | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
have in this country, certainly on the Tory part of it. It has been put | :15:51. | :15:58. | |
together against you. This is an anti-UKIP cabinet, isn't it? Once | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
again, the Conservatives are trying to play catch up. Cameron has had | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
for years to try to do something about the European Union. The only | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
offered a referendum from a position of weakness because of the strength | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
of UKIP. Cameron remains Prime Minister, and he is a committed | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
Europhile, though he said he would go into the renegotiation, he has | :16:19. | :16:21. | |
already said then he will campaign to stay within the European Union. | :16:22. | :16:27. | |
So negotiations are pie in the sky, and I listened yesterday to | :16:28. | :16:29. | |
Jean-Claude Juncker in the chamber yesterday when he said quite clearly | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
the biggest issue the Briton is freedom of movement of peoples, and | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
that is not on the table. So the whole thing is pie in the sky. As | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
the great Sean Connery once said in the Untouchable in a row macro you | :16:42. | :16:49. | |
don't go to a gunfight carrying a knife. Is Mr Cameron a Europhile? I | :16:50. | :16:59. | |
think he and the Cabinet will recommend a yes vote, and try to | :17:00. | :17:08. | |
negotiate. Is he a Europhile? He is not as pro-Europe is me. Jean-Claude | :17:09. | :17:16. | |
Juncker is not as pro-Europe as you. The idea that David Cameron is an | :17:17. | :17:25. | |
isolationist nationalist, which is what Euroscepticism is sometimes a | :17:26. | :17:31. | |
youth is for -- a euphemism for, is nonsense. Rea that is how he has | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
ended up, not just here, but in other countries. He has not altered | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
the policy, the new Cabinet will not alter the policy that had me in it. | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
The idea is to achieve a process of reform and to exclude people how a | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
modernised, reformed Europe is in British interests. Ken, Ken! Hold | :17:51. | :17:58. | |
on, I want to bring in Liz Kendall. Doesn't labour have to re-burnish | :17:59. | :18:07. | |
its offerings? I am a strongly pro-European politician, because I | :18:08. | :18:10. | |
think it is in our national interests, our jobs and investment | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
depend on it, and it is vital for a whole range of other issues | :18:15. | :18:19. | |
important for the country. What I think the problem... I didn't ask | :18:20. | :18:23. | |
about David Cameron, with respect, I asked about Labour, and I said that | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
Labour's policy does not seem to be in June with the British people. | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
Every time you criticise David Cameron, whether it was the veto a | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
couple of years ago, or being out on a limb over Juncker, his poll | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
ratings rise. OK, but sometimes you have to argue what you believe in, | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
and I believe that a reformed Europe that is turbo-charging jobs and | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
growth with proper reform... What makes you think you will ever get | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
that? I believe there are countries you can build alliances with, who | :18:56. | :19:03. | |
want to see... Did you listen to Mr Juncker yesterday? Actually, when we | :19:04. | :19:06. | |
were in government, the way that we got change was by building | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
alliances, often across political parties with leaders of different | :19:12. | :19:14. | |
persuasions, about how Europe has to change. If your approach is about | :19:15. | :19:22. | |
repatriating powers alone, rather than the bigger prize, which is a | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
reformed Europe, that is a mistake. You could be electing your pension | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
by the time that happens. Why are you soap as a mystic about change? | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
Because I have told people tell you, like -- tell me, like you, like Ken, | :19:38. | :19:46. | |
that we will change, and it never happens. Can I explain why we are in | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
a different situation now? Number one, because we have had the | :19:51. | :19:55. | |
financial crash, and that is more a kick up the proverbial than anything | :19:56. | :20:06. | |
that has happened before. Quite frankly, we should have spent the | :20:07. | :20:09. | |
last couple of weeks not talking about jobs for the boys, but jobs | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
for people in this country across Europe. Paul Nuttall is still with | :20:14. | :20:20. | |
us, what do you make of all that? Repatriations of powers is not on | :20:21. | :20:23. | |
the table. Mr Juncker made that perfectly clear for is that what he | :20:24. | :20:26. | |
said was he was not opposed to it but it would require the support of | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
27 other member states so it just isn't going to happen. The way that | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
this guy was appointed guest today, backroom deals, behind closed doors | :20:35. | :20:41. | |
-- appointed yesterday, and Mr Juncker is the epitome of it. This | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
place is not going to change. It is going to roll on. They have pushed | :20:46. | :20:50. | |
us closer to the exit door, which is a good thing. Why are you taking a | :20:51. | :20:58. | |
dive in the polls? We are not. ICN gets us consistently wrong. You are | :20:59. | :21:08. | |
now down to 9%. In one ICN poll, if it was other ones, I would worry, I | :21:09. | :21:19. | |
am not bothered about this one. I know he used to be your special | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
adviser, but this chap, Jonathan Hill, that no one seems to have | :21:24. | :21:29. | |
heard of, why put a total unknown as the British commissioner candidate, | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
and at the same time expect to be given a major job, a major economic | :21:33. | :21:38. | |
portfolio? Surely this makes it a lots less likely? The European | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
Commissioners are not all high profile national politicians. Cathy | :21:44. | :21:56. | |
Ashton, never mind Mandelson, she has done a very good job actually, | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
the higher representative, the foreign affairs leader in the | :22:03. | :22:05. | |
council. If you had heard of Cathy Ashton before she was sent there, I | :22:06. | :22:12. | |
would be very surprised indeed. Jonathan Hill firstly had the great | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
privilege of working with me as my legal aid when we were in employment | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
in DTI. He was John Major's right-hand man. When John Major was | :22:23. | :22:29. | |
Prime Minister. He has been back in government for some time. He has | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
been in the Cabinet to some time. He understands the economy and | :22:34. | :22:35. | |
business, you made money in business. To say he is a wheeler | :22:36. | :22:43. | |
dealer operator is wrong, I am sure he can do that, it is part of | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
politics, but he is actually extremely intelligent. Let's go back | :22:48. | :22:55. | |
to Liz Kendall, this thing we could be on the brink of some massive | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
European reform. I didn't say that, Andrew. I said that is what our goal | :22:59. | :23:06. | |
has got to be. I believe we have chances to do it, we would have to | :23:07. | :23:09. | |
work very hard on it and it won't happen with this government. We now | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
have is a president of the European Commission somebody who yesterday | :23:16. | :23:22. | |
said that he regarded the euro is the thing, the mechanism that had | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
saved the European Union, had been great for the European Union, and | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
that that was the kind of Europe you wanted. If that is the case, shall I | :23:32. | :23:39. | |
tell you what youth unemployment is in Spain, Italy? No, you don't need | :23:40. | :23:44. | |
to tell me things like that. It was not caused by the euro. I know there | :23:45. | :23:50. | |
are horrific levels of unemployment. How will you get a coalition to | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
change with attitudes like that? I think it is probably more about | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
getting the leaders of the different countries who believe that Europe | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
needs to reform to get agreement. I am not saying the president of the | :24:04. | :24:05. | |
commission or the commissioners don't have an important role, but I | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
think ultimately it is about the leaders of the different European | :24:11. | :24:13. | |
countries coming together and realising, Europe has got to change | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
if we are going to focus on the things that matter to people. To the | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
people we are supposed to represent. It is very general. In the end, I | :24:22. | :24:28. | |
think it is about the leaders of the country. The European Commission | :24:29. | :24:31. | |
president has a role. Juncker was right about one thing yesterday, you | :24:32. | :24:37. | |
cannot change the free movement of people. No one is proposing that we | :24:38. | :24:44. | |
do. Excuse me, your party is. You have a UKIP guy who brings it back | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
to immigration. If you are to say the whole argument is about bigotry | :24:50. | :24:52. | |
and prejudice, fair enough. The changes we wish to make is to make | :24:53. | :24:55. | |
it clearer that people cannot come here just to claim benefit. Not many | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
do, not many have, we are not very good at reporting it, we and the | :25:01. | :25:04. | |
Germans and everyone else. There are 2 million Brits working in Europe. | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
Paul Nuttall, I will give you the final word because you have the most | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
difficult gig this morning, being down the line. Bring us back to | :25:13. | :25:21. | |
immigration, come on! It is bigoted to be concerned about immigration, | :25:22. | :25:24. | |
but you go into any council estate in the North of England, or places | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
like Essex, and say that, when we have a million of our own kids | :25:29. | :25:32. | |
unemployed. What we need to do is to control our own borders, have a | :25:33. | :25:34. | |
points -based system to everyone where we can choose who comes and | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
who doesn't into our country. While we have freedom of movement of | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
peoples, that is not possible. We will have to leave it there. | :25:44. | :25:49. | |
Now, a reminder yesterday, as if we needed one, | :25:50. | :25:58. | |
of why it's safer to broadcast from a hermetically sealed studio. | :25:59. | :26:01. | |
Never mind the wind, rain and occasionally disruptive | :26:02. | :26:03. | |
As he tried to update viewers on the latest on the reshuffle, Sky's | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
Political Editor, Adam Boulton, was stopped in mid-flow - by a fly. | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
if we look at the changing complexion of this Cabinet, compared | :26:12. | :26:19. | |
to the last one, the one yesterday, and what we can see is... . Graeme | :26:20. | :26:28. | |
ad, do you want to take a pause? You have been talking nonstop. Are you | :26:29. | :26:35. | |
OK? I swallowed a fly. I have recovered now. He did well there to | :26:36. | :26:42. | |
recover. I have been asked to point out that an animal was hurt. Who | :26:43. | :26:48. | |
knows what happened to the fly. We do sympathise with your plight. We | :26:49. | :26:54. | |
have the perfect remedy. Filled with hot or cold liquid, | :26:55. | :26:57. | |
flies or other airborne insects can And, if you pay attention, | :26:58. | :27:00. | |
it could be yours. I speak, of course, | :27:01. | :27:03. | |
of a Daily Politics mug. What better receptacle to grace | :27:04. | :27:06. | |
a Sky News screen? We'll remind you how to enter | :27:07. | :27:08. | |
in a minute, but let's see if you MUSIC. I went into this agreement | :27:09. | :27:27. | |
because I was not prepared to tolerate a situation of continuing | :27:28. | :27:29. | |
violence. We have decided that the National | :27:30. | :27:57. | |
union of Mineworkers shall organise a return to work on choose day. | :27:58. | :28:14. | |
And you can see the full terms and conditions for Guess The Year | :28:15. | :28:38. | |
on our website, that's bbc.co.uk/dailypolitics. | :28:39. | :28:39. | |
It's coming up to midday here, just take a look at Big Ben, | :28:40. | :28:42. | |
Yes, Prime Minister's Questions is on its way. | :28:43. | :29:03. | |
It is the final PMQs of the summer, so if you would like to comment on | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
proceedings, you can e-mail us, And that's not all; | :29:09. | :29:18. | |
Nick Robinson is here. Mr Miliband has not been in the news | :29:19. | :29:29. | |
recently. It has been the Tory, reshuffle, other matters. He will be | :29:30. | :29:35. | |
in the news very soon because he is going to the White House. There was | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
a report on the Today programme, he will be there and very soon, next | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
week. Ed Miliband will make his visit to the White House. I don't | :29:45. | :29:48. | |
think he will mention that. He will try to put his own characterisation | :29:49. | :29:51. | |
on the reshuffle, because he knows that the right throughs in the | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
Sunday paper will have to characterise it in a particular way | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
and he needs to put his imprint on the reshuffle. With these very good | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
employment statistics, he has to be very wary that David Cameron doesn't | :30:05. | :30:07. | |
say again you don't want to talk about the economy, you asked me | :30:08. | :30:10. | |
about health, about this, about that, it is time you spoke about the | :30:11. | :30:17. | |
economy. The unemployment figures are incredible, amazing how quick it | :30:18. | :30:20. | |
has gone down, but average earnings fell yet again. And yesterday or the | :30:21. | :30:25. | |
day before, I can't run a ball which, inflation went up as well, so | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
the gap between earnings and prices, which everyone expected to start a | :30:30. | :30:35. | |
narrow now, is actually widening again. Which allows Ed Miliband to | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
say that the cost of living crisis, as he calls it, is not a short-term | :30:40. | :30:44. | |
thing, it is for the long-term. It would be surprising if he was not to | :30:45. | :30:48. | |
use this last opportunity before the summer to try and reinforce that. He | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
has to do a good performance because he has had, frankly, a difficult | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
couple of months, but he has his visit to the White House today, he | :30:57. | :31:01. | |
also has the national policy reform, Labour's big policy-making | :31:02. | :31:03. | |
conference this weekend. There will be a big speech on Saturday when we | :31:04. | :31:13. | |
Are planning to campaign on the summer months? -- are they planning. | :31:14. | :31:23. | |
Labour got it kicking last time from political journalists. I was | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
speaking to a Labour insider at the other day and there is an obsession | :31:29. | :31:32. | |
with having several stories a day during the summer to make up for | :31:33. | :31:38. | |
that. Let's go over to the final Prime Minister's Questions of the | :31:39. | :31:39. | |
summer. In addition to my duties in this | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
House, I shall have further meetings today. Given his commitment to | :31:44. | :31:51. | |
equality, with the Prime Minister explain why 75% of his cabinet are | :31:52. | :31:58. | |
still men? I think the honourable lady is being a little bit churlish. | :31:59. | :32:06. | |
The government before my one had four women Cabinet ministers and | :32:07. | :32:13. | |
three additional women attending cabinet. We have five members of the | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
covenant and an additional three attending. In terms of the | :32:17. | :32:22. | |
Conservative Party, I am leading a coalition government. When it comes | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
to Conservatives sitting around the Cabinet table, I am proud to say one | :32:28. | :32:38. | |
third of them are now women. Having -- having rightly reaffirmed | :32:39. | :32:40. | |
his confidence in the Transport Secretary, can I urge my right | :32:41. | :32:47. | |
honourable friend to urge him to give early priority to the | :32:48. | :32:53. | |
improvement of the railway line serving East Anglia? I am well aware | :32:54. | :32:59. | |
of this problem and some of the campaigns and I know my right | :33:00. | :33:03. | |
honourable friend, the transport minister, now backed by a larger | :33:04. | :33:06. | |
team of ministers in the transport department, will give that their | :33:07. | :33:16. | |
urgent attention. Mr Ed Miliband. Mr Speaker, we have always said that | :33:17. | :33:22. | |
we will support the Government when they do the right thing. So can I | :33:23. | :33:27. | |
join thousands of parents across the country in congratulating him on | :33:28. | :33:32. | |
getting rid of the Education Secretary. Why did he demote him? To | :33:33. | :33:44. | |
answer the question... I hope the whole House can come together in | :33:45. | :33:51. | |
this way, which is the right honourable member for North West | :33:52. | :33:55. | |
Hampshire has served in this House of Commons for over 40 years and he | :33:56. | :34:00. | |
will be retiring at the next election. And so when it came to | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
replacing an extra ordinary politician, and someone who has | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
given so much to this country, as the Chief Whip, I wanted to find the | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
very best candidate and I am proud to have done so in the former | :34:14. | :34:19. | |
Education Secretary. He has obviously got a very short memory, | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
Mr Speaker. This is what he used to say about the Education Secretary. I | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
want to trust the Education Secretary to get on with that job | :34:29. | :34:35. | |
for many years. Rather than saying, I am now going to show view over | :34:36. | :34:39. | |
somewhere else. Why did he do it? Is it the shortage of primary school | :34:40. | :34:44. | |
places? The unqualified teachers or the failure of his free school 's? | :34:45. | :34:50. | |
He achieved a record number of academies, new free schools, | :34:51. | :34:55. | |
standards are rising the country and reforms that will endure. But isn't | :34:56. | :35:02. | |
it extraordinary, not a day of a record -- on the day of a record | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
increase in employment in our country, he will do anything not to | :35:08. | :35:11. | |
talk about economic recovery, deficit falling, economy growing, | :35:12. | :35:17. | |
numbers of work increasing. I am not surprised he does not want to talk | :35:18. | :35:20. | |
about people in work, his own job looks a bit shaky. I am bound to say | :35:21. | :35:27. | |
if it has all been such a great success, I still don't know why he | :35:28. | :35:30. | |
said -- sacked the Education Secretary. Let's talk about the | :35:31. | :35:41. | |
figures. The economic recovery is not benefiting most working people, | :35:42. | :35:45. | |
who are working harder for a longer for less. There are 7 million people | :35:46. | :35:51. | |
who are in working families who are paid so little they are in poverty. | :35:52. | :35:55. | |
Does he think the economy is working for them. Let me bring the House | :35:56. | :36:03. | |
up-to-date on the unemployment figures. We see employment by | :36:04. | :36:11. | |
254,000 this quarter. We see women's employment up. We see youth | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
unemployment up. And we see the unemployment count falling by | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
121,000. And we have reached an important milestone in our country, | :36:21. | :36:24. | |
which is more people in work in our country than ever before in our | :36:25. | :36:29. | |
history. We can now say that since this government came to office, | :36:30. | :36:33. | |
there are 1.8 million more people in work. That is a record that we can | :36:34. | :36:40. | |
be proud of. And something that the Labour leader has raised a week | :36:41. | :36:43. | |
after week, long-term youth unemployment, that is now lower than | :36:44. | :36:47. | |
when this comment came to office. Now of course it is disappointing | :36:48. | :36:53. | |
that pays not rising faster. But let me remind him what the director of | :36:54. | :36:56. | |
the Institute for fiscal studies said. He said that we have had a | :36:57. | :37:01. | |
great big recession. The biggest recession in 100 years. It would be | :37:02. | :37:05. | |
astonishing of household incomes have not fallen and earnings have | :37:06. | :37:09. | |
not fallen. That is what has happened. We know who is responsible | :37:10. | :37:14. | |
for the great economic recession. Extraordinarily, they are still in | :37:15. | :37:20. | |
their jobs. He is in his fifth year as Prime Minister and all he can do | :37:21. | :37:28. | |
is try and blame someone else. And he just does not get it. He just | :37:29. | :37:34. | |
doesn't get it. This week we saw shocking figures about another group | :37:35. | :37:36. | |
suffering from the cost of living crisis. Millions of young people | :37:37. | :37:41. | |
whose earnings are falling faster than everyone else. One in four of | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
them living with their parents because they cannot afford to buy a | :37:46. | :37:50. | |
house or even rent one. Does he honestly think they are feeling the | :37:51. | :37:55. | |
benefit of the recovery? Of course we want living standards to recover | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
faster. There are two things you need to do to make that happen. | :38:00. | :38:02. | |
Firstly, get more people into work. We want living standards to recover | :38:03. | :38:05. | |
faster. There are two things you need to do to make that happen. | :38:06. | :38:11. | |
Firstly, get more people into work. -- yesterday Labour announced it is | :38:12. | :38:16. | |
their policy to put up taxes on middle income people. Perhaps he can | :38:17. | :38:20. | |
get to his feet and tell us which taxes on which people. I ask the | :38:21. | :38:26. | |
questions and he fails to answer them. And the reality is he has the | :38:27. | :38:31. | |
worst record on living standards of any prime minister in history. But | :38:32. | :38:42. | |
there is one group... I will tell them what is weak. It is saying a | :38:43. | :38:45. | |
month ago he is happy with his team and then sacking part of his team. | :38:46. | :38:50. | |
There is one group feeling the benefit of the recovery. Can he | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
confirmed that while average pay is down ?1600 a year since the last | :38:55. | :39:00. | |
election, last year the top 1% took home an extra ?15 billion after the | :39:01. | :39:08. | |
millionaires tax cut? I am happy with my team. Looking at the Shadow | :39:09. | :39:11. | |
Chancellor, I am pretty happy with his team, too. Let me explain that | :39:12. | :39:20. | |
one of the things which happened yesterday was the deputy leader of | :39:21. | :39:23. | |
the Labour Party on the radio said this. I think people on middle | :39:24. | :39:27. | |
incomes should contribute more through their taxes. That is what | :39:28. | :39:34. | |
she said. There we are. That is their policy. The squeezed middle | :39:35. | :39:39. | |
will be squeezed more. Now he needs to tell us which people are going to | :39:40. | :39:45. | |
pay which taxes, because on this side of the House we have cut | :39:46. | :39:51. | |
council tax, petrol duty, the jobs tax, we have increased the marriage | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
couple's allowance. Labour will put a tax on your job, your mortgage, | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
your home and your pension. Where are the middle income tax? -- | :40:01. | :40:09. | |
coming? This is totally desperate stuff. He has nothing to say about | :40:10. | :40:12. | |
the cost of living crisis. That is the reality. His reshuffle had | :40:13. | :40:19. | |
nothing to do with the country and everything to do with his party. | :40:20. | :40:22. | |
After four years of this government we have a recovery people cannot | :40:23. | :40:27. | |
feel, a cost of living crisis people cannot deny and a prime Minister | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
people cannot believe. He talks about five years under this | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
government. We have got record numbers in work. The economy | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
growing. Record numbers of businesses. Record numbers of women | :40:40. | :40:47. | |
in work. In this party, the leader reshuffles the party -- the Cabinet. | :40:48. | :40:54. | |
In his party, the Shadow Cabinet desperately want to reshuffle the | :40:55. | :41:02. | |
leader. I am sure the right honourable | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
gentleman is delighted to be lauded in such fashion. It is just like the | :41:08. | :41:18. | |
old days, Mr Speaker! Mr Speaker, as the prime minister is enjoying a | :41:19. | :41:21. | |
week in which he is making a lot of new best friends, when he gets to | :41:22. | :41:26. | |
the Brussels summit, would he give a particularly warm greeting to the | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
man who may yet be his best, certainly his newest, Mr Juncker, | :41:31. | :41:38. | |
who yesterday called for more European reform and one applicant | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
states who want to join the European Union face a complex, difficult and | :41:43. | :41:45. | |
drawn-out period of up to perhaps five years? As we don't meet before | :41:46. | :41:53. | |
the Scottish referendum, barring a recall, shouldn't the Scottish | :41:54. | :41:58. | |
voters bear those words in mind? This is a remarkable moment where | :41:59. | :42:01. | |
the right honourable gentleman, Jean-Claude Juncker, has said | :42:02. | :42:05. | |
something with which I wholeheartedly agreed. It is | :42:06. | :42:10. | |
noticeable what he said. That there would not be new members joining the | :42:11. | :42:13. | |
European Union and the next five years. That is very important in the | :42:14. | :42:16. | |
context of the Scottish referendum debate. He says we're not going to | :42:17. | :42:21. | |
meet again before the Scottish referendum. In terms of my diary, I | :42:22. | :42:24. | |
think the House of Commons will be in September. Can the prime Minister | :42:25. | :42:31. | |
explain why he has now given more knighthoods to men that he sacked | :42:32. | :42:36. | |
and he has given Cabinet jobs to women? Always interesting to take a | :42:37. | :42:43. | |
lecture from a party that gave a knighthood to Fred Goodwin! I have | :42:44. | :42:47. | |
appointed more women to the front bench, more women to the Cabinet, on | :42:48. | :42:51. | |
the basis they deserve those jobs. I want a team that reflects modern | :42:52. | :42:55. | |
Britain and can be everything that modern Britain needed to be. I make | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
no apology for saying that I think in public life we should recognise | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
public service, people who have worked hard, who have contributed to | :43:05. | :43:07. | |
our nation, our government, I think it is a good thing to do. Mr | :43:08. | :43:14. | |
Speaker, people with autism have specific social and communications | :43:15. | :43:18. | |
needs which can cause distress and misunderstanding, particularly when | :43:19. | :43:23. | |
they are admitted to hospital for a routine or emergency treatment. With | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
the Prime Minister join me in congratulating Baroness Angela Brown | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
and the National Autistic Society, who tomorrow are going to launch the | :43:33. | :43:37. | |
new hospital passport for people with autism? I think that will make | :43:38. | :43:40. | |
a great difference to a lot of people's lights in this country. I | :43:41. | :43:46. | |
thank the honourable lady, my right honourable friend, from raising this | :43:47. | :43:50. | |
issue. Baroness Browning has worked very hard on this issue over the | :43:51. | :43:54. | |
years, as has my right honourable friend, with the autism Bill, which | :43:55. | :43:58. | |
is making a huge difference to the way we help young people with these | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
conditions. I absolutely join her in making sure these services are | :44:04. | :44:10. | |
properly put together. Given the recent data shows the gender pay gap | :44:11. | :44:14. | |
is increasing again, can the prime Minister confirm the excellent news | :44:15. | :44:18. | |
that any woman not receiving equal pay for equal work will have their | :44:19. | :44:22. | |
salary topped up from Tory party funds? What I would say to the | :44:23. | :44:29. | |
honourable gentleman is the first of all it is welcome news that under | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
this government the pay gap and those below the age of 40 has all | :44:34. | :44:37. | |
but disappeared. We are making progress. In terms of the leader of | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
the house of lords, I am happy to confirm she would do the same job as | :44:42. | :44:43. | |
her confirm she would do the | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
predecessor, and receive the same amount of money. Charlotte Helix is | :44:48. | :44:55. | |
part of an international research project seeking to establish a link | :44:56. | :45:00. | |
between the DNA of anorexia nervosa sufferers. This afternoon the | :45:01. | :45:03. | |
project is coming to Parliament seeking to obtain DNA samples from | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
former sufferers, including my honourable friend, the member for | :45:08. | :45:12. | |
Braintree. Will my right honourable friend commend the work done by | :45:13. | :45:21. | |
Charlotte I very much thank my honourable friend for raising this | :45:22. | :45:31. | |
issue. I would commend the bravery of all those who have spoken out | :45:32. | :45:34. | |
about their experience with eating disorders. It is not an easy thing | :45:35. | :45:38. | |
to do. We need to learn more about his condition so we can provide the | :45:39. | :45:41. | |
right kind of support, and in that context I think what the government | :45:42. | :45:51. | |
is doing is important as well. Mr Speaker, we now know for certain | :45:52. | :45:55. | |
that taxpayers last year were robbed of around ?1 billion because of the | :45:56. | :46:02. | |
botched Argand basement fire sale of Royal mail. Will he now do as the | :46:03. | :46:08. | |
select committee have asked, and publish the list of those | :46:09. | :46:13. | |
preferential investors, and when will somebody be held to account for | :46:14. | :46:19. | |
this right Royal mail fiasco? I have to say, I just completely disagree | :46:20. | :46:22. | |
with the honourable gentleman. For year after year, Royal mail lost | :46:23. | :46:28. | |
money, the taxpayer had to back it up, and we have achieved what no | :46:29. | :46:33. | |
previous government have achieved, the successful privatisation of the | :46:34. | :46:36. | |
Royal mail. The taxpayer has received money from that sale and we | :46:37. | :46:40. | |
now receive the tax on the profits of Royal mail, rather than the | :46:41. | :46:47. | |
mismanagement of the Labour years. Mr Speaker, later this year in North | :46:48. | :46:51. | |
Yorkshire will become the best connected county, in terms of | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
superfast broadband. It is usually helpful for the growing hospitality | :46:56. | :47:01. | |
and tourism industry, and received a recent boost from the visit of the | :47:02. | :47:07. | |
Tour de France. Does my right honourable friend agree that rolling | :47:08. | :47:13. | |
out superfast broadband is a great boost for all sectors, not just | :47:14. | :47:16. | |
hospitality, to help build on the wonderful economic legacy of the | :47:17. | :47:22. | |
Tour de France? Can I first of all thank my honourable friend that he | :47:23. | :47:24. | |
gave me and the people of Harrogate gave me for the Tour de France, the | :47:25. | :47:29. | |
completion of that final stage, marred only by Mark Cavendish's very | :47:30. | :47:33. | |
tragic accident in the Tour de France, but it was an extraordinary | :47:34. | :47:36. | |
event and showed his constituency and the whole of Yorkshire it | :47:37. | :47:45. | |
absolutely in it best light. We are putting ?790 million into superfast | :47:46. | :47:49. | |
broadband access, we have around 400,000 new premises being upgraded | :47:50. | :47:53. | |
every week. I think frankly everyone in this house has a duty to get out | :47:54. | :47:57. | |
there and help to advertise what is happening with broadband, and to | :47:58. | :48:03. | |
encourage take-up rates. Thank you, Mr Speaker, it is fundamental, is it | :48:04. | :48:11. | |
not, that the holder of the office of Attorney General should be fairly | :48:12. | :48:16. | |
independent, defend the rule of law, and be ready to speak legal truth to | :48:17. | :48:25. | |
power. Given the distinction and respect with which the holder of | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
that office pursued that role, what possessed the Prime Minister to | :48:30. | :48:34. | |
dismiss him yesterday? First of all, can I absolutely say I absolutely | :48:35. | :48:39. | |
agree with the right honourable gentleman that the Attorney General | :48:40. | :48:43. | |
gives on varnished, independent advice, but I also believe in | :48:44. | :48:46. | |
government that when someone has served extremely well for four | :48:47. | :48:50. | |
years, there are often times when it is right to bring on new talent, and | :48:51. | :48:53. | |
to make the most of all the talent you have in your party. That is the | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
approach I take as Simon is to, and I explained that very clearly to my | :48:58. | :49:02. | |
team. Mr Speaker, the number of young people coming off the | :49:03. | :49:04. | |
unemployment register across North Yorkshire is at a record high. Would | :49:05. | :49:12. | |
the Prime Minister agree that today's small business bill, | :49:13. | :49:14. | |
Conservative inspired, is yet another boost to the women and men | :49:15. | :49:19. | |
who are creating the jobs to make this happen? I thank my honourable | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
friend for his question, today's bill will help make the United | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
Kingdom the most attractive and easy place to start, finance and grow a | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
small business. That is our ambition. He is absolutely right | :49:32. | :49:36. | |
about these unemployment figures, in his own constituency, the claimant | :49:37. | :49:39. | |
count has fallen by 37% in the last year, I50 since the election. | :49:40. | :49:47. | |
Long-term youth claimant count, because this is the most important | :49:48. | :49:52. | |
thing, to make that young people are getting those opportunities -- to | :49:53. | :49:55. | |
make sure, it is down 60% in the last year. The last two European | :49:56. | :50:02. | |
commissioners from the UK have held major portfolios, central to our | :50:03. | :50:08. | |
interest. The outgoing commissioner has been the spokesperson for | :50:09. | :50:13. | |
foreign affairs, and her predecessor helped the trade portfolio. So can I | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
ask the Prime Minister what post does he hope to secure for his | :50:19. | :50:23. | |
nominee, Lord Hill, is the consolation prize for his failure to | :50:24. | :50:28. | |
stop the appointment of Mr Juncker? And how, this time, does he intend | :50:29. | :50:33. | |
to build support for his objective? First of all, I think it is a good | :50:34. | :50:38. | |
moment for everyone across the house to pay tribute to Cathy Ashton, | :50:39. | :50:42. | |
effectively the Foreign Minister for Europe, over the last four years, in | :50:43. | :50:45. | |
what is a gruelling and exhausting job. I think there is an | :50:46. | :50:50. | |
opportunity, whether there will be a resolution or not, I don't know, but | :50:51. | :50:53. | |
I think there is an opportunity to make sure that Britain has an | :50:54. | :50:58. | |
important portfolio, one where we can maximise our influence in the | :50:59. | :51:02. | |
areas we care about most, which are areas to do with our economy, and we | :51:03. | :51:07. | |
will work very hard to do that. I think Lord Hill, with his experience | :51:08. | :51:10. | |
in the previous Conservative government, and this government, | :51:11. | :51:15. | |
holding as it is this equivalent post Baroness Ashton held before she | :51:16. | :51:18. | |
became a Commissioner, will do a very good job for our country. As | :51:19. | :51:24. | |
you know, my constituency is very dependent on investment in the oil | :51:25. | :51:28. | |
and gas industry, where the unemployment rate is currently 0.5%. | :51:29. | :51:32. | |
Therefore the Prime Minister will understand there is some concern | :51:33. | :51:35. | |
with the reshuffle where both the Treasury Minister and the energy | :51:36. | :51:41. | |
manager Hull Minister responsible for that industry has changed again | :51:42. | :51:49. | |
-- the energy minister responsible. I think my honourable friend makes | :51:50. | :51:53. | |
an important point, North Sea oil is absolutely vital, making sure we | :51:54. | :51:58. | |
have the tax regime appropriately in place and implementing the Would | :51:59. | :52:01. | |
review is something we are committed to. -- the Wood review. On the 4th | :52:02. | :52:10. | |
of August, people from across the country will come together to mark | :52:11. | :52:14. | |
100 years since the outbreak of the First World War. It is an important | :52:15. | :52:17. | |
opportunity to commemorate a conflict that changed Britain for | :52:18. | :52:20. | |
ever. Can I asked the primaries to if he will join for us supporting | :52:21. | :52:26. | |
the 1418 now lights out campaign, and if he will encourage people | :52:27. | :52:29. | |
across the UK to turn out their lights between ten and 11pm on the | :52:30. | :52:35. | |
4th of August, so, as a country, we can pay fitting tribute to those who | :52:36. | :52:39. | |
sacrificed and serve our country a hundred years ago? I think the | :52:40. | :52:44. | |
honourable gentleman is right to recommend this campaign, I think it | :52:45. | :52:53. | |
is a way to get particularly young people engaged in what happened a | :52:54. | :53:00. | |
century ago, and to understand the consequences for Europe, the world | :53:01. | :53:03. | |
and our society. There are a lot of events that will take place to | :53:04. | :53:06. | |
commemorate appropriately the First World War. One of the most | :53:07. | :53:09. | |
significant will be tomorrow, when the Imperial War Museum, has a major | :53:10. | :53:15. | |
investment and is reopening for the public. I know my own George and | :53:16. | :53:18. | |
enjoy going there, many people I hope will make the best of it. With | :53:19. | :53:25. | |
the Northwest and Cheshire's proud history of contribute in | :53:26. | :53:27. | |
significantly to our national economy, with my right honourable | :53:28. | :53:32. | |
friend agree how rapidly the safety of element of fracking is to boost | :53:33. | :53:37. | |
the competitors of the country, but also in the north-west to continue | :53:38. | :53:42. | |
to be a significant contributor to our wealth and welfare? My right | :53:43. | :53:45. | |
honourable friend makes a significant point, and it is true | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
that in the Northwest we have seen the claimant count in his | :53:50. | :53:52. | |
constituency come down 40% in the last year, but if we want to sustain | :53:53. | :53:56. | |
the increase in employment and sustained economic growth, we should | :53:57. | :54:00. | |
not hold ourselves back from new of energy, including unconventional | :54:01. | :54:05. | |
gas. And it is striking that in the United States they have something | :54:06. | :54:11. | |
like 100,000 unconventional gas wells dug, whereas in the whole of | :54:12. | :54:14. | |
Europe it is something like 100. We have is about three quarters of as | :54:15. | :54:20. | |
much of unconventional gas in the US there is in America, I don't want us | :54:21. | :54:31. | |
to miss out. -- in the new as there is in America. -- in the European | :54:32. | :54:34. | |
Union. Parliament might be about to break down for the summer, but can I | :54:35. | :54:38. | |
tell the Prime Minister that even that won't stop people having | :54:39. | :54:43. | |
babies, getting injured and needing routine emergency care on the NHS. | :54:44. | :54:48. | |
So, in the light of the forthcoming report into safety at Stafford | :54:49. | :54:52. | |
hospital by the sea QC, can he have a word with his friend, the | :54:53. | :54:55. | |
Chancellor of the Exchequer, and make sure that the Treasury is going | :54:56. | :55:00. | |
to fund, in full, the changes to health services across North | :55:01. | :55:03. | |
Staffordshire that the University hospital in Stoke-on-Trent has to | :55:04. | :55:06. | |
provide, and which has to provide at no extra cost to the health of | :55:07. | :55:13. | |
people in Stoke-on-Trent? I take into account what the honourable | :55:14. | :55:17. | |
lady says, I am regularly advised about the situation in | :55:18. | :55:19. | |
Staffordshire. Changes need to take place. This inspection is absolutely | :55:20. | :55:24. | |
vital. I think the important thing in the health service is to not try | :55:25. | :55:27. | |
to hide problems but properly address them. Today, Bruce Keogh is | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
reporting a year on from his report when he took something like 11 | :55:33. | :55:35. | |
hospitals into special measures, and what he'll show is that all of them | :55:36. | :55:41. | |
are making improvements, five of them are able to come out of special | :55:42. | :55:45. | |
measures, and making sure we make improvements in all of our | :55:46. | :55:49. | |
hospitals. I thank the Prime Minister for supporting the West | :55:50. | :55:53. | |
Country, particularly the Railway Inn Dawlish and -- the railway in | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
Dawlish and broadband. I think the honourable lady makes an | :56:00. | :56:15. | |
important point. We must continue supporting transport infrastructure | :56:16. | :56:18. | |
in the south-west. We have the important report on Dawlish coming | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
out. The work is being done right now, in terms of making sure it is | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
more resilient. We have had the important announcement about the | :56:27. | :56:29. | |
sleeper service down to the south-west, and announcement about a | :56:30. | :56:32. | |
number of other road and rail schemes. I will look very carefully | :56:33. | :56:36. | |
watches says about fair funding, but it is very important that everyone | :56:37. | :56:40. | |
can see that these situations are fair. The office will budget | :56:41. | :56:47. | |
responsible to show that the government's new system of school | :56:48. | :56:50. | |
fees will add ?15 billion more expected to the government debt than | :56:51. | :56:55. | |
expected by the end of the parliament. Hasn't the government | :56:56. | :56:59. | |
got it all wrong when it comes to cherish and fees? What we were told, | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
Mr Speaker, by the party opposite was that no one would take up these | :57:04. | :57:06. | |
loans, no one from poorer backgrounds would go to university, | :57:07. | :57:11. | |
and the numbers going to university would collapse. What has actually | :57:12. | :57:16. | |
happened is record numbers are going to universities, record numbers from | :57:17. | :57:19. | |
lower income homes are going. Obviously, we need to make sure that | :57:20. | :57:24. | |
the system is cost efficient, but I am satisfied it is working, and the | :57:25. | :57:27. | |
Chancellor announced in his recent budget that far from having problems | :57:28. | :57:32. | |
with the funding, we are uncapped in the numbers that can go to | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
university. That is the aspiration society we are building in this | :57:37. | :57:41. | |
country. Unemployment has more than halved in my constituency since | :57:42. | :57:47. | |
2010. York is poised to benefit from a multiple Ian Pannell benefit | :57:48. | :57:52. | |
through three -- multi-million pound benefit. Would my right honourable | :57:53. | :57:59. | |
friend not agree that this clearly demonstrates our commitment to | :58:00. | :58:03. | |
tackling the north-South divide, and delivering a northern lead economic | :58:04. | :58:12. | |
plan? I am delighted to share with my honourable friend that the | :58:13. | :58:15. | |
claimant count in his constituency is down by 42% over the last year, | :58:16. | :58:20. | |
and down by 61% since the election. I know Labour don't want to hear | :58:21. | :58:23. | |
about falling unemployment numbers, the numbers of people in work, but | :58:24. | :58:27. | |
the fact is every single one of these people getting a job is about | :58:28. | :58:31. | |
someone having a livelihood and the chance to provide for their family, | :58:32. | :58:35. | |
that is what this is about. He is absolutely right to raise the | :58:36. | :58:40. | |
importance of the agricultural industries and linked industries in | :58:41. | :58:44. | |
Yorkshire. I am sure that the new agriculture and environmental | :58:45. | :58:47. | |
secretary will want to make an early visit to her birthplace of | :58:48. | :58:54. | |
Yorkshire. Specialist spinal cord injury beds are a precious resource | :58:55. | :58:59. | |
for people and patients in desperate need. Why is it, therefore, that on | :59:00. | :59:05. | |
the Prime Minister's watch, specialist beds at the Stoke | :59:06. | :59:11. | |
Mandeville spinal injuries centre of being used for people who do not | :59:12. | :59:16. | |
have spinal cord injuries? Obviously, decisions are for | :59:17. | :59:20. | |
individual trusts and individual clinical commissioning groups | :59:21. | :59:23. | |
themselves, but we made two important decisions as a government, | :59:24. | :59:28. | |
first to fund the NHS with extra money, ?12.7 billion in this | :59:29. | :59:32. | |
Parliament, and second to abolish the bureaucracy that had built up | :59:33. | :59:36. | |
under Labour with 17,000 fewer bureaucrats. Both those decisions | :59:37. | :59:40. | |
were opposed by the Labour Party, but we can see 7000 more doctors, | :59:41. | :59:45. | |
4000 more nurses, more patients treated and an NHS that is doing | :59:46. | :59:51. | |
well. Mr Speaker, in the recent case of Nicholson on the question of | :59:52. | :59:57. | |
assisted dying, Lord Neuberger said that Parliament had the opportunity | :59:58. | :00:04. | |
to reform the law, in the knowledge that if Parliament does not act, the | :00:05. | :00:08. | |
courts may. This could raise serious constitutional issues. Does he agree | :00:09. | :00:12. | |
that whatever your views on the subject, what the public really want | :00:13. | :00:24. | |
is a debate in this house? First of all, I would say it is good that a | :00:25. | :00:31. | |
debate is being held and it would be worthwhile reading the debate that | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
takes place on Friday in the other place. I am very happy for a debate | :00:37. | :00:42. | |
to be held here, and there are now opportunities for backbenchers to | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
hold debates in the chamber, and I am sure the new Leader of the House | :00:47. | :00:47. | |
of Commons, who I am sure we all want to welcome to his place, will | :00:48. | :00:48. | |
be listening carefully to that request. For myself, I am not | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
convinced that further steps need to be taken. I worry about legalising | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
euthanasia, and people might be pushed into things that they don't | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
actually want for themselves, but by all means let's have the debate. to | :00:59. | :01:07. | |
returning to the issue of taxes and the wealthy, when will the Prime | :01:08. | :01:13. | |
Minister publishes tax return? On the subject of taxes and | :01:14. | :01:19. | |
middle-income people, when will we get an answer from Labour about what | :01:20. | :01:23. | |
was it the deputy leader of the party meant when she said, and let | :01:24. | :01:29. | |
me repeat it, that she thinks people on middle incomes should contribute | :01:30. | :01:35. | |
more through their taxes? There is one party in this house with a big | :01:36. | :01:43. | |
tax problem and I am looking at it. Given that poor mental health is the | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
single biggest driver of well-being in this country, Willy act on a | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
recommendation from the think tank forum and tackle poorly supporting | :01:52. | :01:58. | |
mental health by this government signing up to the employers mental | :01:59. | :02:05. | |
health framework? I will look very carefully at the report he mentions. | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
I think it is important, and he helped to do this in government, | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
that we now have a situation where mental health is given proper parity | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
of esteem through the NHS Constitution. We have made good | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
progress in terms of making available talking therapies for | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
mental health patients in the NHS. I will look carefully at the report. | :02:25. | :02:38. | |
a short break in the transmission there. We are not quite sure why. Ed | :02:39. | :02:50. | |
Miliband when first of all on Michael Gove. He did not get much an | :02:51. | :02:56. | |
answer from prime Minister. He then went on more to the wider issues of | :02:57. | :03:05. | |
the economy. Mr Miliband concentrated on how wages, average | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
earnings, are still trailing prices. The gap has actually got wider | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
because the CPI measure of inflation rose last month, whereas average | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
earnings fell last month compared to the previous month. Mr Cameron, of | :03:20. | :03:26. | |
course, suggesting the positive. He concentrated on the very strong | :03:27. | :03:28. | |
employment figures that came out today. Let's see what you thought | :03:29. | :03:35. | |
and then we hear from our guests. Helen Manning says nobody could | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
describe Ed Miliband as a big beast today. Pour predictable performance | :03:40. | :03:46. | |
again. He needs a new PR guru. David Axelrod is just not cutting it. | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
Daniel from Southampton says Ed Miliband was weak again. The | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
questioning on Michael Gove was boring and did not address any real | :03:56. | :04:01. | |
issues. He has nothing to say on jobs and the economy. Diane | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
Richardson from Welwyn Garden City says, shock horror, the Government | :04:06. | :04:07. | |
front bench slightly more packed with women. Until mid-2015 Cameron | :04:08. | :04:19. | |
turns me off. Edberg Stone says Rather than saying more people than | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
ever are in work, wouldn't it be better to say that more people since | :04:23. | :04:29. | |
1066 are back in work. Statistics do not have time with ordinary voters. | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
Another reviewer says with all the people in work one would think it | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
was going great guns. Tax returns will never bring down the deficit, | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
no matter how many people are in work. | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
I don't think they do. I may be out on a limb but I don't think they do. | :04:49. | :05:03. | |
Do you think, Nick, the Prime Minister was fully aware of what we | :05:04. | :05:09. | |
are all saying... That he was handing a scalp to the educational | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
establishment by sacking Michael Gove, and a gift to the Labour | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
Party? I agree with the first part but not the second. Of course he | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
knew he was handing a gift to the political establishment. He knew | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
that teachers would be celebrating. I interviewed yesterday -- Michael | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
Gove yesterday and said to him that many teachers would be having an | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
extra glass of wine tonight, and he was humorous enough to say that yes, | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
no doubt they will. He is trying to comfort himself. If you remove a | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
target, that helps you are electorally. Michael Gove is now not | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
a target in the general election. What Lynton Crosby and others around | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
the prime Minister want people who do not distract from the message | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
about leadership and the economy. Those are the Tories believe are the | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
two trump cards. Nothing should get in the way. The model is Jeremy | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
Hunt. Make the health service boring. Keep it out of the news. It | :06:09. | :06:17. | |
is not quite as high-profile as it was when Lansley was in charge. It | :06:18. | :06:27. | |
may not be so much in the political news, the political lobby is not so | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
interested, but there are stories every day about health and rightly | :06:32. | :06:37. | |
so. It is a big winning issue for them but compared to what it was | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
like before it is quieter. I can now exclusively reveal what Michael | :06:43. | :06:49. | |
Gove's status is. Are you a big fan of the Game Of Thrones? Love it. How | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
can you understand politics if you do not watch it? You are going to | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
have to collect -- correct do not watch it? You are going to | :06:59. | :07:04. | |
exclusively reveal that David Cameron, when he asked Michael Gove | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
to take on the role of Chief Whip, told him that he was a big fan of | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
Game Of Thrones and he wanted him to be like the hand of the King. This | :07:13. | :07:20. | |
is the Charles dance character. -- Charles dance. He is the most | :07:21. | :07:23. | |
powerful person in the seven kingdoms. Can I also point out that | :07:24. | :07:31. | |
his son takes a crossbow, while he is sitting on the privy, and kills | :07:32. | :07:41. | |
him. Is that what we mean... The sun kills the Michael Gove character. My | :07:42. | :07:54. | |
advice to Michael Gove therefore is not to go to the privy! And if he | :07:55. | :08:02. | |
does go, leave the door open! I have to go online in order to mug up on | :08:03. | :08:12. | |
this. It is said on the Game Of Thrones website that when there is a | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
weak leader, the job of the candidate King, Michael Gove, is to | :08:17. | :08:23. | |
clear up the political mess. And the King makes a bit of a mess and the | :08:24. | :08:30. | |
hand wipes. Forgive me, but that is the slogan. We have gone to the | :08:31. | :08:38. | |
lowest common dominator. What they have not taken into account, because | :08:39. | :08:45. | |
one of the things about the Game Of Thrones is that the women, the | :08:46. | :08:47. | |
female characters, are really strong. They are not windowdressing, | :08:48. | :08:54. | |
like some say the Cabinet is. They are a strong women in their own | :08:55. | :09:01. | |
right. Powerful. Their weapons are their brains and arrows and nights | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
as well. They are not beyond a bit of killing. Michael Gove's wife, | :09:06. | :09:14. | |
Sarah Vine, columnist, re-tweeted a -- an article this morning in which | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
the headline was, a shabby days work which Cameron will live to regret. | :09:20. | :09:25. | |
If that is not out of Game Of Thrones I don't know what it is. US | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
certainly tempting me to find out more about Game Of Thrones! You are | :09:31. | :09:40. | |
still watching the uneven line! I can remember it! Does it still | :09:41. | :09:50. | |
linger on as a problem for the Government? The history of these | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
sorts of reshuffles is it depends how the people who suffer react. | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
Michael is being told he is in the heart of government. He will be at | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
meetings twice a day. I believe they intend to have him. He is a valuable | :10:06. | :10:13. | |
political strategist. Will he find it unsatisfying and frustrating? He | :10:14. | :10:21. | |
has had his profile reduced. He is too controversial before the | :10:22. | :10:28. | |
election. To be fair to him, I don't recall is Secretary of State for | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
education who did anything that was not unpopular with the teaching | :10:32. | :10:37. | |
unions. Back in the dark ages, I have been Secretary of State for | :10:38. | :10:40. | |
education myself, and I was not the pin-up of the teachers trade unions | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
introducing grant-maintained schools. Reshuffles otherwise are | :10:44. | :10:51. | |
over within a couple of days of them taking place. They fascinate the | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
political bubble, the establishment, on quite a considerable scale | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
because the celebrity culture nowadays is all. The average members | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
of the public will not remember who did what job or who is doing it now. | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
You do not think it will cut through? It contains the message | :11:11. | :11:20. | |
there are a lot more women about. It is the economy, stupid. That is what | :11:21. | :11:26. | |
this election is about. You are trying to suggest there are new | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
crises and which they have never been before. Western democracy, | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
people believe health care is in crisis. It is constantly changing, | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
higher pressures, you are going up an escalator going downwards, | :11:43. | :11:45. | |
infinite demand... You always have turbulent emotional politics in | :11:46. | :11:52. | |
health. What matters is the recovery from the recession. We have this | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
simplistic argument, should people be feeling better off now to the | :11:56. | :12:01. | |
answer is, if only it weren't so easy. You have got to have several | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
more years of constructing a modern, competitive economy. That is | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
the only way of raising lifestyles, not Ed Miliband talking about | :12:11. | :12:21. | |
prices. I welcome the new jobs. It is always better to be in work if | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
you can then be on benefits. People are not seeing a difference. What | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
they think is unfair is they see people at the top getting tax cuts | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
and they feel that they are benefiting a lot more than ordinary | :12:35. | :12:50. | |
people. But they will. We should have been doing a lot more in | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
earlier on in terms of getting the skills that people need, building | :12:55. | :12:57. | |
the right infrastructure, really getting banks lending to businesses | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
and businesses investing, too. I think we have not seen anywhere near | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
enough progress on that. It is all very well saying to people that they | :13:07. | :13:14. | |
need to wait a few more years. Can you shed any light on what Harriet | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
Harman meant when he -- when she said on the radio that people on | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
middle incomes should contribute more? I would imagine she was saying | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
that we have a progressive tax system in this country and if you | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
did not want that we would have a flat rate of tax. She was not saying | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
that we wanted to tax people on middle incomes more. Why would you | :13:34. | :13:42. | |
put it that way though? It -- it has always been the case in this country | :13:43. | :13:45. | |
that people on middle incomes pay more. That is what happens at the | :13:46. | :13:51. | |
moment. She is not proposing they are going to be taxing people on | :13:52. | :14:02. | |
middle incomes more. Harriet has caused a little consternation. She | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
does need to explain why she said it. You do contribute more in a | :14:06. | :14:13. | |
progressive tax system. You wonder why she would say it. She was on LBC | :14:14. | :14:24. | |
on July the 14th. It was in an answer about work working class | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
people on middle class people get back from the tax system in terms of | :14:29. | :14:36. | |
public services. She debating with the idea that middle-income people | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
do not get anything back in return for what they contribute. The quote | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
says that yes, people on middle incomes should contribute more | :14:44. | :14:47. | |
through their taxes. I have not seen it in its full context. Can be | :14:48. | :14:53. | |
interpreted either way. Unless you support a flat rate tax system... | :14:54. | :15:02. | |
Final thought from Munich before the summer months? What is telling about | :15:03. | :15:08. | |
it is simply the determination of the Tories that they were not on the | :15:09. | :15:10. | |
back foot today, and that Ed Miliband went into the summer still | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
relatively speaking on the back foot. He will not be pleased that | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
people are having their incomes squeezed but pleased that it | :15:21. | :15:23. | |
confirms what he has warned about. The Tories will feel they got | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
through a difficult day. Michael Gove been shelved out. Ed Miliband | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
did not get one of those victories. Damian McBride said the other day | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
that every week was a test. This week the Labour Party will not be | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
able to save a won. I don't think their loss. | :15:41. | :15:51. | |
When Will Mr Miliband see Mr Obama in the White House? Next week. I am | :15:52. | :16:01. | |
not sure which of them has the most political difficulties. He has not | :16:02. | :16:12. | |
got a narrative is that once you get onto the economy, poor old Ed | :16:13. | :16:18. | |
Miliband is all at sea. I disagree. Have a nice summer, I hope | :16:19. | :16:21. | |
Parliament is not recalled and heft as you again -- I have to see you | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
again. We are sitting on "abundant shales | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
at depth", according But should we be fracking it, | :16:31. | :16:32. | |
or leaving well alone? The fashion designer, | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
Vivienne Westwood, has been touring the country to try | :16:37. | :16:37. | |
and raise awareness about shale gas We will be speaking to Vivienne | :16:38. | :16:40. | |
in a moment, but first, Here is her soapbox. This is shale | :16:41. | :16:59. | |
gas mining in the USA, otherwise known as fracking. It involves | :17:00. | :17:06. | |
pumping water, sand and chemicals down a well at high pressure to | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
fracture the rocks and extract gas trapped within them. This mining is | :17:12. | :17:18. | |
widespread in the USA, and our government wants to do it here. Back | :17:19. | :17:27. | |
in 2011, shale gas exploration was halted in Blackpool. A report | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
concluded that fracking had most likely caused two minor earthquakes. | :17:34. | :17:46. | |
There are also concerns that water supplies close to drilling could | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
become polluted by the dangerous chemicals used for extraction, and | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
with methane gas, as is the case here. Fracking is an issue that | :17:58. | :18:07. | |
concerns all of us, not just politicians in Westminster. It will | :18:08. | :18:13. | |
lead to the production of more fossil fuels, which will hasten | :18:14. | :18:21. | |
climate change. We need to wage war on climate change, and the first | :18:22. | :18:28. | |
battle is to stop politicians from forcing fracking upon us. That is | :18:29. | :18:36. | |
why I joined anti-fracking road testers at the village of all, in | :18:37. | :18:44. | |
West Sussex last year, -- Balcombe, where there were plans for | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
exploratory drilling. 48% of British people don't know what fracking is, | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
yet the government wants to inflict it upon us without explanation. | :18:54. | :19:01. | |
There is no democratic mandate for fracking. David Cameron said he was | :19:02. | :19:07. | |
going to create the greenest government ever, but has instead | :19:08. | :19:09. | |
supported the shale gas industry. And we're joined now | :19:10. | :19:19. | |
in the studio by Vivienne Westwood. Welcome to the programme. You talk | :19:20. | :19:28. | |
there about the dangers of fracking at the Royal Society and Royal | :19:29. | :19:31. | |
Academy of engineering have reviewed the risks, particularly the ones you | :19:32. | :19:34. | |
talked about, tremors and water contamination. Do you agree that | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
those health risks perhaps look less romantic than originally thought | :19:41. | :19:43. | |
when fracking was first raised as an option? Absolutely not, the opposite | :19:44. | :19:53. | |
is true -- less traumatic. Heavy volume shale gas extraction has only | :19:54. | :19:59. | |
been going on for eight years. It is a new industry. When it started, | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
that is when everyone joined in to it in America, and it was only for | :20:04. | :20:07. | |
eight years that this was going on. What we have found in America is | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
that it has now plateaued, it has peaked, and so there were hundreds | :20:12. | :20:18. | |
of people who tried to set up and get this stuff out of the ground, | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
which they did. But now they are all getting into debt, because they have | :20:24. | :20:26. | |
to keep drilling more and more, they can't service their debt. So it is | :20:27. | :20:31. | |
not a success, let's just say that anyway, but that is not what you | :20:32. | :20:39. | |
asked B. The evidence for pollution is incredible -- not what you asked | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
me. The evidence for pollution is incredible in America, people have | :20:45. | :20:48. | |
denied it, but the statistics are overwhelming. The risks have been | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
reviewed here, and they say they can be managed effectively. We have | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
spoken to companies who feel that the risks of tremors are minimal, | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
and water contamination, but do you think, despite what Vivienne | :21:02. | :21:04. | |
Westwood says, it could be a game changer here in the way many people | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
think it has been in the States? I think it good. We still have to | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
prove it is extractable in the quantity it potentially could be. I | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
think it is a no-brainer. It is not a new technology. We have been | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
injecting water and a mix of chemicals into the geology for 40 or | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
50 years. It can be done properly, it does not have these environmental | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
hazards. While I think today we are a healthy, democratic society, if we | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
had today's planning law and debating system in the 19th | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
century, we would never have had the Industrial Revolution, and here we | :21:42. | :21:44. | |
have a potentially hugely valuable national resource. It can be | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
extracted perfectly safely, and it could make a big contribution to our | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
economy, and we can't have a debate for years and years and years about | :21:55. | :21:57. | |
fanciful notions of what has gone wrong, which nobody in America would | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
recognise. Vivienne Westwood also said you are hardly the greenest | :22:03. | :22:05. | |
government ever, that David Cameron promised. Do you agree that has | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
gone? We are in favour of cutting carbon emissions, we have set | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
targets for that. I would point out the Americans have reduce to their | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
carbon emissions going for the shale gas. No, they haven't. The Germans | :22:20. | :22:25. | |
who have gone for renewables on a monster scale have seen their | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
emissions go up. Our government is committed to international targets, | :22:30. | :22:32. | |
but we need to pursue them in a sensible position. Vivienne, you are | :22:33. | :22:39. | |
holding your head in your hands in despair, why? Because it is all | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
completely wrong, everything Kenneth has just said is completely wrong. | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
First of all, it has only happened for eight years, you check it, | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
high-volume, it is the difference between... The power involved is the | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
difference between riding a horse and cart or a Turbo racing car. It | :22:57. | :23:02. | |
is incredibly different. That has been happening for only eight years. | :23:03. | :23:09. | |
Apart from which, the point about this fracking is that there are 400 | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
times more for clients in our little country than there are in America. | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
For clients, that is what happened in Blackpool -- four times more full | :23:21. | :23:39. | |
clients -- fault lines. Liz Kendall, do you have any worries about it? I | :23:40. | :23:47. | |
support fracking so much as we regulate it properly. We need to do | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
that alongside a big issues like carbon capture and storage and | :23:53. | :23:54. | |
renewables. It was interesting what Ken said about other countries, one | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
of the reasons Germany has made such progress on renewables, it has | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
massive private sector investment alongside public investment, because | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
it has a clear, long-term target, and that is the point where I think | :24:08. | :24:14. | |
the government has fallen down. Germany is building 12 new | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
late-night coal plants, which is the dirtiest coal in the world. Fracking | :24:20. | :24:27. | |
is dirtier than coal. It produces more pollution, because of the | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
methane leakage. We are going to leave it there, but Vivienne | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
Westwood, thank you. O God, all right then. | :24:39. | :24:41. | |
You call him the wrong person for the job. | :24:42. | :24:44. | |
You condemn his appointment as a "mistake". | :24:45. | :24:45. | |
This evening David Cameron is off to Brussels, where he's due to | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
meet the man he tried, but failed, to block as European Commission | :24:51. | :24:53. | |
But here at the Daily Politics, we don't like to spare politicians' | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
blushes, so we've put together a compilation of some more of those | :24:58. | :25:00. | |
It is six months. You can't say anything about the immigrants, | :25:01. | :25:11. | |
because all these Eastern Europeans are coming in. You should never have | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
put me with that bigoted woman, whose idea was that? Just | :25:16. | :25:21. | |
ridiculous. I am mortified by what has happened, I have given her my | :25:22. | :25:24. | |
sincere apologies. I misunderstood watches said, and she has accepted. | :25:25. | :25:30. | |
-- what she said. I did not have sexual relations with | :25:31. | :25:48. | |
that woman. Indeed, I did have a relationship with her, in fact it | :25:49. | :25:54. | |
was wrong. I liked the music. Was that Perry | :25:55. | :26:52. | |
Como or Andy Williams? I can't remember. What has been your most | :26:53. | :26:58. | |
awkward political Inkatha? It was a little bit awkward when the new | :26:59. | :27:01. | |
Foreign Secretary, Philip Hammond, twice called me Rachel Reeves on | :27:02. | :27:07. | |
question Time -- political encounter. More embarrassing for him | :27:08. | :27:17. | |
than me. Awkward? When my mum came and helped in the general election, | :27:18. | :27:20. | |
she was doing some telephone canvassing, and some they had said | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
something not particularly nice about me, and she said that is my | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
daughter you are talking about, at which point I had to remove her from | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
the telephone. That is what mums are there for. Ken, you only have 40 | :27:33. | :27:40. | |
order years of an awkward moment -- 40 years. I have had people shout | :27:41. | :27:46. | |
silly things at me when campaigning. I have met constituents in the most | :27:47. | :27:58. | |
extraordinary places. You still have time. Forgetting people 's names, I | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
have that all the time. That happens all the time, George! Absolutely. | :28:04. | :28:09. | |
It's time to put you out of your misery, and give you | :28:10. | :28:12. | |
The one o'clock news is starting over on BBC One now. | :28:13. | :28:26. | |
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But I am here tomorrow night, with Michael Portillo and | :28:29. | :28:32. | |
Alan Johnson joining me for This Week at 11.25 pm on BBC One, that's | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
And I am back next Monday and Tuesday for two final | :28:37. | :28:45. | |
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This World investigates the true cost of fashion. | :29:11. | :29:13. | |
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