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The Government's about to publish plans for new surveillance laws.


The Investigatory Powers Bill will set out how the police,


intelligence agencies, and other state bodies can access people's


In fact, David Cameron's having a spot of bother over a few issues.


Yes, take the dispute over junior doctors' pay


They'll get an 11% pay rise, but they'll have to work more


Is today's new offer enough to ward off industrial action?


Barnaby from Bristol, it could be your lucky day.


Jezza's been crowd-sourcing his questions to Dave again.


And, it's meant to celebrate our cultural and creative heritage


And with us for the duration, a beautifully gender-balanced


panel, especially designed to please Jack Dromey's wife, Harriet Harman.


Deputy Leader of the Commons, Therese Coffey,


who famously got locked in the House of Commons library, and


Shadow Home Office Minister, Jack Dromey, who has never been locked


Now first this morning junior doctors in England are being offered


an 11% pay rise in an attempt by the Government to head


But Saturdays would become part of their normal working week -


rather than being classed as "unsocial hours".


And there'd be an end to guaranteed annual pay rises.


Let's hear what the Health Secretary, Jeremy Huntm had


We have actually been wanting to negotiate with the BMA since June


but they have refused to sit round the table with us.


Instead they have proceeded to ballot for industrial


I think the only responsible thing to do is actually to publish what


our offer is today when it is clear they are not interested


Jeremy Hunt. IDG decide to go public with the offer of an 11%


Jeremy Hunt. IDG decide to go public basic pay for junior doctors instead


of going to the BMA and negotiating? basic pay for junior doctors instead


The situation has been drawing out. It


The situation has been drawing out. to address that. We want to make


sure every doctor who has to address that. We want to make


understands the implications. It really matters. It has not been or


negotiation. That is the criticism of the NBA. -- BMA. Is that the


right way to handle it? You heard from the Health Secretary, he felt


the BMA was from the Health Secretary, he felt


negotiate. It does matter that instead of having to do something


through an intermediary, brothers and the BMA want to hear the facts


themselves and get that decision. It is good for them and bid for patient


themselves and get that decision. It safety. There is a lot to be


positive about in safety. There is a lot to be


good. There is loads of anger. The ballot papers could go out today. It


has not worked, the negotiation. ballot papers could go out today. It


deal. If you are told by your union you will get a 30 the cent pay cut


and you will work more hours, it would be no surprise to be angry


and you will work more hours, it that is not the case. --


and you will work more hours, it cut. They will have


and you will work more hours, it It is good news for doctors. Do you


and you will work more hours, it Yellow mac and it has two


and you will work more hours, it justify its own actions. The 11% pay


rise which is being offered follows justify its own actions. The 11% pay


a cut of 20-30% in out of hours pay. Rightly or wrongly, that is the net


result of the contract that is being, not


result of the contract that is Government, the BMA says it will be


imposed if Government, the BMA says it will be


can understand why doctors are out on the streets protesting.


can understand why doctors are out do not choose when they are ill.


There is a need to address the issue that people have higher success


rates if they are treated, or arrived in hospital, on a weekday.


We believe by moving from the 10am -7 p.m. Standard hours for Monday to


Saturday and then an additional premium for working any thing and on


Sundays, we think that is the right balanced approach. Do you


Sundays, we think that is the right is there they lose 20%-30% of that


out of hours pay bastion marked it is about mitigating a loss of 30% of


out of hours pay. -- out of hours pay? No junior doctor will lose pay.


Not true. Why do you say that? I have looked the facts and listened


to junior doctors. Is it true there should be extended coverage at the


weekends? Yes, it could mean the issue of life and death. Jeremy Hunt


is a wee bit like dodgy employers are used to deal with in the world


of work, making now you see it, now you do not office. 11% offer, that


camouflage is what will happen in terms of unsocial hours payments.


One junior doctor I saw this morning will lose ?8,000 a year as a


consequence. What are you proposing? Are you proposing they should keep


the 11% pay rise and still be paid doubled the amount of money they


will get for anti-social hours? My experience the world of work does --


is that it does not help when the employer places a gun at your head.


Going over the head of those who represent junior doctors. That is


wrong. The next stage is that we would be with the Government saying


we need enhanced capacity at the weekend. What we need is a


withdrawal of the threat, a toning down of language, a serious


negotiation at the next stages, where there will be some give and


take. Would you go to junior doctors in your constituency and say, oh by


the way, I know you will get 11% more because you will lose unsocial


hours, you will lose ?8,000 a year. That is not the case. Every single


junior doctor will not lose a penny. For those where there is a


transition, there will be a pay we met to cover that. A basic starting


salary will increase to ?25,000. By the time they come to training it


will be ?55,000. We will have to move on quickly. Should the BMA


withdraw its threat for balloting members? They should be back around


the negotiating table. If I were Jeremy Hunt, I would ring the phone


and contact the BMA to try to sort this out. This is about safeguarding


the interests of junior doctors. Should they further compromise? The


Secretary of State should be very clear. He has made a very clear


offered to the doctors directly and they need to act on that. Take it


all leave it. Now yesterday, the former


Labour Leader, Neil Kinnock, gave an interview in which he warned


the current Labour Leader, Jeremy Corbyn, that British voters would


not back a party that supported Lord Kinnock said his party must


confront the "reality" that it will not win a general election with a


defence policy opposing the renewal But only hours after he issued his


warning, Scottish Labour MSPs voted with Nicola Sturgeon's Nationalists


at Holyrood for a motion calling Now, Jeremy, do you actually support


what Lord Kinnock was saying? The reality is the British public will


not vote for a party that supports unilateral nuclear disarmament. Any


government, which is perceived to put national-security at risk, there


is no doubt. I know fast lane very well. The instinct of the British


people is that they want to be guaranteed they have strong national


defences and the capacity to intervene globally where


appropriate. The first thing is, we must in -- unequivocally be on the


side of the British people. To be frank, we must learn the lessons


from history that if we sound like we're anti-defence, the British


people will never support the Labour Party. So, Jeremy Corbyn is wrong?


You can have an intelligent debate about how you might make bold moves


as part of a multilateral strategy. Sometimes the debate gets


polarised. I do a unilateralist or a multilateralist? Do I want to see a


nuclear free world? Yes, without hesitation. We must not send the


message that somehow we're anti-defence. We never have been and


we never will be. What message is Labour sending? MSPs in Scotland


voted with nationalists to scrap Trident. Its leader supports the


renewal of Trident. The vast majority of Labour MS -- MSPs


supported but the leader does not. There is a lively debate going on.


There is no doubt about that. What is quite interesting is, in my


dealings with the Armed Forces over the years, within the Armed Forces,


there were different views in relation to the nuclear deterrent. I


have not got a problem about a sensible debate about how you might


take some bold steps here nationally to achieve that international


objective. Let's have that debate at the next stages. Coming back to


that, do not ever send the message that somehow we do not take


seriously the national security of the people of Britain. Today in the


police debate, will be arguing exactly that. Some people are saying


you are sending a message. When do you have that debate? The Shadow


Defence Secretary wants to push this decision out of the way. There is a


gateway decision coming in the next 12-18 months, when will you have


that debate? The key period will be the next 12 months. Maria Eagle is


heading up a debate. We need to have that debate in an open and honest


way. It does not send the wrong message. Labour is a party of safety


and security and strong defence. It is extraordinary. You have Labour


leadership normally crating people in Scotland. Or to getting rid of


Trident -- supporting and getting rid of Trident. The Labour


leadership wants to scrap Trident. We, in the leadership debate, say


the grass roots movement may have a very different view to the PLP. With


the greatest respect to Teresa, I have a great deal of respect for


her. Within your party, first of all, you are the Government that has


presided over very significant cuts to our Armed Forces but also


presided over the biggest cut in Europe to our police service, which


is putting at risk safety and security where people live and


work. I am not sure I will take any lessons from the Tories about


safeguarding national security. You are pointing out cuts to


conventional full SIS. Can Labour send out a message to the British


public that it supports defence, is rock-solid behind defence, but can


do so without the nuclear deterrent? We need to have the debate about how


we can make bold steps to achieve this. How we might take some bold


steps to achieve this. It comes back to the fundamental point, which is,


we will never, ever, put at risk the national-security of the British


people. Jeremy Corbyn also mentioned there are problems about having a


vote on the problems in Syria. He said on television that perhaps


Labour needs to revisit taking action over Isis. Mistakes were made


in Iraq. No doubt about that. I am open-minded in terms of military


intervention in Syria. All I would say is it has to be part of a wider


package will stop you cannot stand by and see terrible things happening


on the 1 hand. On the other hand, to believe you can resolve this simply


by way of military force is to arrive at the wrong conclusion.


Thank you. What do you think about the renewal of Trident? Do you back


it? At the next stages, the debate will be having, what place does


Trident play in defence policies? I have given my answer.


Now, free from the compromises of coalition with the


Liberal Democrats, and in power with the first Conservative majority


government in nearly two decades, the job of Prime Minister should


have got a whole lot easier for David Cameron after


Well, it hasn't quite worked out that way.


Yes, Jo, when David Cameron won an unexpected majority of 12 at the


election he might have thought that governing was going to get easier.


But the joys of spring have turned into a gloomy


autumn for the PM as Conservative MPs get a taste for rebellion.


20 Tory MPs - amongst them Tim Loughton and Jacob Rees-Mogg -


backed a Labour motion demanding changes to the Government's plans to


Then in the Commons on Monday, Zac Goldsmith, Tory candidate for London


spoke out against the government's plans to extend right-to-buy.


And that evening it was reported that Downing Street had dropped


plans for a Commons vote on intervention in Syria, with up to


30 Tory MPs said to be lining up to vote against the Government.


Today sees the publication of the Investigatory Powers Bill,


which we will talk about, with David Davis has been at the forefront of a


rebels demanding the Government make concessions.


While Lord Strathclyde has begun his tricky task


of reviewing the powers of the House of Lords, after peers rejected


With all of that even before the Cabinet has started to argue about


the UK's membership of the European Mac, this could get potentially dark


of the Prime Minister. The Investigatory Powers Bill has


been published today and it looks as if judges will be granted the right


to administer and anti-terrorism operations. I'm not going to


pre-empt what the Prime Minister will say in half an hour. There have


been three reviews. The need was felt that the executive to be


heavily involved in the authorisation of warrants, while


other reviews have suggested that authorisation of warrants, while


judicial oversight is needed. Do you agree with the need for judicial


oversight, authorisation? Ultimately the panellist and the Home Secretary


are accountable to the the panellist and the Home Secretary


need to ensure the panellist and the Home Secretary


the most intrusive powers the has come all operate in a legal


framework has come all operate in a legal


Secretary will talk about that has come all operate in a legal


later. Just to be has come all operate in a legal


think that on the important crucial decisions, it should be a judge that


makes this decisions, it should be a judge that


the Home Secretary? I don't want to pre-empt anything. There have


the Home Secretary? I don't want to disagreements in your party over


this and David Davis claims it is could go if the bill is to pass. I


believe the panellist and Home Secretary have been looking


carefully at Secretary have been looking


hasn't been thought of overnight and she will present


hasn't been thought of overnight and of Commons shortly. There has been


hasn't been thought of overnight and huge listening exercises. It is


absolutely clear that are premised and the Home Secretary others


responsible for keeping the country safe, not the judges. That sounds


like you would be happy for it to remain in the hands of the Home


Secretary. If it does not and there is not clear judicial authorisation,


will the bill for? That is likely and it would be a tragedy in terms


of the safety and security of British people. And don't you come


in part. -- down to you, in part. We support the strong powers of the


security services, 20% is counterterrorism and 8% is charged


sexual exploitation and abuse, paedophile gangs, fraud and grooming


online. We need enhanced powers, yes, but those powers need proper


judicial safeguards. So you will vote it down if you do not get those


judicial safeguards which means you will lose all of it. I think the


House of Commons is likely to reach a consensus on this in the next


stages. Because we are at one in rising to the threat posed to the


people we represents the government must learn from the sorry lessons of


history that the people of Britain want safety and security but they


will not trust government to exercise those powers. External


scrutiny is key. Do you accept David Davis's point that it will not get


through without that scrutiny because other Tory rebels will not


say yes to it. To be honest I have not paid attention to what David


Davis says on this matter, what I am conscious of is that the government


has been looking carefully at the different powers, I think it does


want to move ahead with the consensus so that we get to this


place where we are doing things that will protect the body public. That


is one the potential rebellion and has been outlined clearly. We have


had the rebellion on tax credits. Syria is looking like a potential


problem, we were told they would be a vote on air strikes if there was a


genuine consensus. It is clear he cannot get one and that is why we


aren't getting the vote. The government is again trying to which


a broad consensus, the events of summer 2013 were striking in the


House of Commons and it is interesting that a group of Labour


MPs had debate earlier in this Parliament, and seemed keen that we


should do more in this field. But it is right that the Prime Minister


should want to get cross-party support for this. Broad support. It


isn't just Labour, the Daily Telegraph is talking about 20 - 30%


Tory rebels who are not happy. We have had the report from the


Conservative select committee. The Prime Minister's language says he


wants to vote and he hasn't got the support. This shouldn't come down to


Conservative versus labour. These are serious matters for the nation


to address. I think the approach is right. There's no point in coming to


the House without that consensus and I am sure that the premised and the


Home Secretary will continue to work to achieve that. Will it still be a


priority to work for this vote? Tackling Syria is a priority, it's


leading to a man or human tragedy, with the migrant situation, my word,


we need to tackle the refugee situation. In 2013I was content to


vote for additional military intervention. Events keep evolving


but fundamentally the Prime Minister has been clear, we need to resolve


this situation and it is not having a future for Assad or indeed for


Isil. When do you think that food should be? -- that vote? I don't


know but it needs to be when the majority of British parliamentarians


are ready to say yes. Looking at the refugee situation and the ongoing


tragedies in Syria, we need to take decisive action. How would you vote?


I could not in conscious roll out military intervention because if you


look at the desperate circumstances in Syria that might be appropriate


-- I could not rule it out. Yet it needs to be part of a wider


diplomatic solution under the auspices of the UN. I voted against


in 2013 because it was simply a military initiative. The military


initiative alone won't solve the problem. On the other hand, if the


government comes with a size of case, seeking to achieve consensus


with other countries in the region engaged in finding the solution and


says that one element that might be safe havens, we should look at that


with an open mind. But and cannot get consensus, because of the


leadership, they would not be reliant on the leadership of the


backbench MPs. It won't get consensus if they say are you for or


against military intervention. I think the House should say, what


part should military intervention play in an attempt to find a lasting


solution. And the Prime Minister has not said, I need every MP to be with


me on this. There will always be people who oppose military


intervention come what may, as they do on other matters. Let's not try


to isolate this again into being something partisan. Finally on the


mood of backbenchers, presumably you interact with them regularly, what's


the mood. So many of the new ones seem willing to flex their muscles


and cause trouble for the government. The mood is largely


positive, we won an election. One topic that often came up in the past


was Europe and yet the party is united behind having that referendum


in 2017. Some people, come what may, will want to leave the EU. It is a


respectable position to take in that regard but I think the majority of


people are happy to stay in a reformed European Union. Ultimately


the British people will decide. They will indeed.


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of stick over their refusal to show a collection of Margaret Thatcher's


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I hope your rhyming slang is working! Conservative MPs


are said to be outraged by the museum's decision


and have called for the collection to be saved.


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We can see why you want one, but there's only one way you can


get your mitts on one of these national treasures.


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Even people within Downing Street are calling it an omnishambles


budget! I can't remember the last time I


bought a pasty in Greggs. I am innocent of these charges and I


intend to fight this in the courts and I am confident that eg will


agree. -- confident that a jury will agree.


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It's coming up to midday here - just take a look at Big Ben -


Yes, Prime Minister's Questions is on its way.


And that's not all - Laura Kuenssberg is here.


Back from gallivanting. In the last ten days I have been to regulate and


Berlin because now the government is really starting to try to appear,


and also to try generally need to push ahead with renegotiations and


our relationship with the EU -- I've been to Iceland. Last week David


Cameron pressed the flesh with Nordic leaders in Iceland and


yesterday we were with George was born in birding with his


counterpart, the German finance minister, -- George Osborne was in


Berlin. An important person in German politics. They were pushing


forward the agenda. Angela Merkel says she will do everything she can.


What that means in practice is more difficult to predict. Indeed it is.


But the Treasury were delighted and taken aback by just how fulsome she


was in her promise of help. I think there are some things that clearly


we know now that are going to be relatively easy for the government


to get. Getting rid of ever closer union, for example. A lot of senior


figures in Europe are on the record union, for example. A lot of senior


as saying, that is OK, we'll union, for example. A lot of senior


to clarify that. union, for example. A lot of senior


is concerned the tricky thing union, for example. A lot of senior


be this idea of union, for example. A lot of senior


that they can't put their own interests and of the pound. That


will be complicated for Germany in terms of people we spoke to why we


were there. In terms of people we spoke to why we


wholesale change, things where the public will think, yes, the British


governor has won a big concession, does that look likely at this stage?


Not at this stage but this is clearly where the government want to


take the debate. They've had research done, showing that people


are in the middle on this. There are 10% of people on either side who


would fight to the death to stay or leave, most people are in the middle


and most people are not paying attention to the


and most people are not paying really believe that


and most people are not paying they will be able to


and most people are not paying fighting around one issue or another


but the fighting around one issue or another


can tie in a ribbon and say, here are these miraculous concessions


that we have won from the EU. Interesting that the traditional


political tactic is to pick a fight and then you will look like you have


one. They haven't got to that point but one


one. They haven't got to that point government told me,


one. They haven't got to that point it needs his crusade and we are


happy to play along with that. We know that there are voices


happy to play along with that. We Tory party who will not be happy,


come what may. Looking at some of the big issues, what might be raised


today at Prime Minister's Questions? There have


today at Prime Minister's Questions? rebellions since the start.


today at Prime Minister's Questions? certainly have. Bad mood is up. It


is in the air. The House of Lords issue around tax credits -- the mood


is up. The House of Lords issue has allowed some MPs to feel like


rebelling despite being told that it is constitutional outrage. It has


changed the mood of the session. People have come back post


conference, the Tories had a smooth successful party conference... They


feel that the Labour Party is not united and does not know its


position. The Tories are certainly not united on the European Union.


This is why some Tories worry about them not being a strong united


opposition because that can make you feel complacent and you can get


involved in your own twists and turns. What will Jeremy Corbyn talk


about today. Potentially junior doctors, a very big issue for people


around the country. The Department of Health is trying their hardest to


that the BMA has captured the agenda on this in a slightly misleading way


perhaps. I would not be surprised if Labour raise that today. Or perhaps


the visit of the Egyptian leader, talking to David Cameron.


Additionally given Jeremy Corbyn's interests in those issues, we heard


him talk about Saudi Arabia before. How much pressure is Jeremy Hunt


under? In the context of a spending review in three weeks' time, there


is Jeremy Hunt under? In the context of the spending review in three


weeks' time, there's no new extra money anywhere in government at the


moment. I think what he is trying to do is stick to this. Make a deal


work without promising any extra cash that he doesn't have. We have


seen before, the NHS can very fast become very troublesome for the


government. One of the stickiest moments for the coalition was the


reform of the NHS under Andrew Lansley. Jeremy Hunt has come to an


impasse with the medical profession. Right now it doesn't feel like the


bits of government are thinking that he's made a mess and this is


damaging him particularly... But... Ballot papers could go out today.


Senior government figures believe there will be a strike. They are


prepared to have that fight? There is no extra cash. Nowhere for them


to go. This slight recalibration of the deal we've seen today is an


attempt by Jeremy Hunt to get around the BMA and make this direct appeal


to doctors. There is sense in government that there is small


motivated group protesting against these changes but they might be able


to I know the whole house will join me


in paying tribute to those who have fallen serving our country. They


gave their lives so we could live hours in freedom. It is right to


reflect on Armistice Day and a contribution to all of those who


have served our country. This morning I had meetings with


ministerial colleagues and others and in addition to my duties in this


House I shall have further meetings today. I would like to associate


myself with the comments from the Prime Minister. I look forward to


joining the Armistice Day parade in my constituency. It has grown to the


largest in Britain. Speaking to constituents in Warwickshire, the


Government commitment of 2% GDP spending was very welcome. Given


volatile state of many parts of the world, it is more important than


ever that we maintain that commitment and give rage chew


support, resources and commitment available. -- give our brave troops.


We live in an uncertain world. The 2% on defence spending and .7% on


aid spending helping our security as well as making sure we are a


generous and moral nation and having the ultimate insurance policy of a


replacement for Trident submarines. Jeremy Corbyn... Thank you, Mr


Speaker. I concur with the Prime Minister's marks concerning


remembrance -- Sunday and remembrance weekend. We mourn all of


those who die in all wars and resolved to build a peaceful future


where the next generation does not suffer from billboards of past


generations. Last week, I asked the Prime Minister the same question six


times and he could not answer. He has had the week to think about it.


I want to ask him one more time... Can he guarantee that next April


nobody is going to be worse off as a result of cuts to working tax


credits? Let me be absolutely clear with the honourable gentleman. What


I can guarantee next April as there will be an 11,000 passenger


allowance, so you can earn 11,000 before paying tax. There will be a


national living wage of ?7 20, giving the lowest paid in our


country a ?20 pay rise. On the issue of tax credits, we suffered the


defeat in the House of Lords. We suffered the defeat in the House of


Lords. With new proposals in the Autumn Statement. At that point, in


exactly three weeks' time, I will be able to answer his question. Now, if


he wants to spend the next five questions asking it all over again,


I am sure he will find it is very entertaining and interesting. How it


fits with the new politics, I am not quite sure. Over to you. This is not


about entertainment. This is about...


This is not funny for people who are desperately worried about what is


going to happen next April. If the Prime Minister will not listen to


the questions I put, will not listen to the questions that are put by the


public, then perhaps the Prime Minister will listen to a question


that was raised by his honourable friend, the member for Brigg and


Goole, who last week concerning tax credit changes said, the changes


cannot go ahead next April and that any mitigation should be for


mitigation. What is the Prime Minister's answer to his friend?


Very much the same answer that I gave to him. In three weeks' time,


we will announce our proposals and he will be able to see what we will


do to deliver the high pay, low tax, lower welfare economy we want to


see. That is what we need in our country. We are cutting taxes and


increasing pay but we also believe it is right to reform welfare. He


will have his answer in three weeks' time. Meantime, he had to think


about this but if we do not reform welfare, how will we find the police


service we are talking about today? How will we find the health service


we could be talking about today? How will we paid for the defence forces


we are talking about today? The honourable gentleman has been


consistent. He has opposed every reform to welfare that has ever come


forward. If we listened to him, we would still have families in London


getting ?100,000 a year in housing benefit. The answer to the question


is, you will find out in three weeks' time. Thank you, Mr Speaker.


The reality is that the Prime Minister makes choices and he has


made a choice concerning working tax credits that has not worked very


well so far. But he must be aware... I give an example. A


serving soldier, a private in the Army with two children and a partner


would lose over ?2000 next April. I asked the question...


The questions will be heard. And the answers will be heard. Simple as


that. Mr Jeremy Corbyn... Thank you, Mr Speaker. Surely that is the whole


point of our parliament, that we're able to put questions to those


authority. And so, I have a question... I have a question from


Kieron, a veteran of the first Gulf War. His family are set to lose out.


He rides it is a worry for the family. There is fear and


trepidation about whether we will be able to get by. Is this how the


Government complete -- treats veterans of the armed services? Let


me take the case of the serving soldier. Many soldiers, indeed all


soldiers, will benefit from the ?11,000 personal allowance that


comes in next year. That means they will be able to earn more money


before they even start to pay taxes. Serving soldiers with


children will benefit from the 30 hours of childcare. Of course,


serving soldiers and others will be able to see our proposals on tax


credits in exactly three weeks' time. What I would say to the


serving soldier is that he is now dealing with an opposition party,


the leader of which, said he could not see any use for UK forces


anywhere in the world at any time. That serving soldier would not have


a job if the honourable gentleman got anywhere near power.


Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can I invite the Prime Minister to cast his mind


to another area of public service that is causing acute concern at the


present time? I know he is trying to dig himself out of the hole with the


junior doctors offer this morning which you await the detail. There is


a question I want to put to him. I quote Doctor Cliff man, the


president of the Royal College of emergency medicine. He said that


this winter will be worse than last winter. Last winter was the worst


winter we have ever had in the NHS. Can the Prime Minister guarantee


there will be no winter crisis in the NHS this year? First of all,


when it comes to the Royal College of emergency medicine, they actually


support what we are saying about a seven-day NHS and the junior doctors


contract. He says, wait for the detail. I would urge anyone in this


House and detail. I would urge anyone in this


watching to go on to detail. I would urge anyone in this


of Health website and look at the pay calculator. You will be able to


see that no 1 working legal hours will lose out in any way at all. It


is an 11% basic pay rise. Deliver is the stronger and safer NHS. As for


the state of our NHS more generally, it is benefiting from ?10 billion


that we put in it is benefiting from ?10 billion


Labour Party at last election said they did not support. I believe the


NHS has the resources they did not support. I believe the


needs. That is why we are seeing it treating more patients with more


needs. That is why we are seeing it delivered, more tests being carried


out. It is a much stronger NHS and the reason is simple. We have a


strong economy supporting our strong NHS. Thank you, Mr Speaker.


strong economy supporting our strong that the Prime Minister has not


offered any comment whatsoever that the Prime Minister has not


the Windsor crisis -- the winter crisis of last year and what will


happen this year. Mr Speaker... Order, order! The


leader of the position is entitled to ask questions without a barrage


of noise. The Prime Minister is entitled to answer questions without


a barrage of noise. That is what the public is entitled to expect. Mr


Jeremy Corbyn... If the Prime Minister will not answer questions


that I'd put, then I quote to him, the renowned King's Fund, which has


enormous expertise in NHS funding and NHS Administration, and I quote,


the national health service cannot continue to maintain standards of


care and balance the books. A rapid and serious decline in patient care


is inevitable unless something is done. Could I ask the Prime


Minister, which is rising faster? NHS waiting lists or NHS deficits?


Let me deal directly with the Kings fund. What we have done on this side


of the house is the point in new chief executive to the NHS, Mr Simon


Stephens where he worked under the last Labour government and did a


very good job for them. He produced the Stevens plan which he said


required ?8 billion of government funding. We are putting in ?10


billion behind that plan. That is the plan we are producing. The


results you can see, we have 1.3 million more operations, 7.8 million


more outpatient appointments and 4.7 million more diagnostic tests. What


is going up in the NHS is a number of treatments, the number of


successful outcomes. He wants to know who is heading for a winter


crisis. I would predict it is the Labour Party that is heading for a


winter crisis. Look at his appointments! His media adviser is a


Stalinist. His new policy advisor is a Trotskyist and his economic


adviser is a Communist was the busiest trying to move the Labour


Party to the left, I give him full marks. -- a Communist. If he is


trying to move the Labour Party to the left, I give him full marks. Mr


Speaker, the issue I raised with the Prime Minister was the national


health service. In case he had forgotten. I would like to remind


him that since he took office in 2010, the English waiting list is up


by a third. There are now 3.5 million people, 3.5 million people


waiting for treatment in the NHS. If his party cannot match its actions


by its words, then I put this to him. Will he just get rid? The NHS


is in a problem. It is in a problem of deficit in many hospitals, a


problem of waiting lists, a problem of the financial crisis that has


been faced with so many others. Can he now addressed that issue and


ensure that everyone in this country can rely on the NHS which is surely


the jewel in all of our crowns? Since I became premise, let me tell


him what has happened since then. The number of doctors up by 10,500,


the number of nurses up by 5800, fewer patients waiting to start


treatment than under Labour, we have seen mixed sex wards virtually


abolished and seen rates of hospital infection plummet. It's happened for


a reason. Because we've had a strong economy and some of the strongest


growth anywhere in the world, because we have unemployment


falling, inflation on the floor, we are able to fund an NHS whereas the


countries that he admires all over the world with their crazy socialist


plans cut their health service and that the people who need their help


the most! -- they hurt the people who need their help the most. The


UK's Internet economy is much the largest of the T20 nations at 12.4%


of GDP but as consumers move online soda criminals. Does the Prime


Minister agree that the Investigatory Powers Bill must give


our security services the powers they need to keep us safe, whilst


ensuring that proper controls exist on how we use those powers? My


honourable friend is absolutely right to raise this. It is one of


the most important bills that this House were discussed. It is going


through pre-legislative scrutiny. The Home Secretary today will set


out very clearly what this bill is about and why it is necessary. Let


me make one some ballpoint. Communications data, the who called


who and when of Telecom allegations has been absolutely vital in


catching rapists, child abductors and solving other crimes. The


question before us is, do we need that data when people are using


social media to commit those crimes rather than a mobile phone. My


answer is yes, we must help the police and our security and


intelligence services to keep us safe. Mr Angus Robertson. Think you,


Mr Speaker. This week when remember all the sacrifices from past and


present conflicts and show respect to veterans and service families.


Does the Prime Minister agree that everything must be done to deliver


on the military covenant, of the spirit and the letter? I agree with


both parts of the question, these remembrance services are important


up and down the country and the military covenant is one of the most


important things we have where we make a promise to our military that


because of the sacrifices they make on our behalf, they should not have


less good treatment than other good people in this country, and indeed


where we can we should provide extra support. This is the first


government to put the military government properly into law --


military covenant and every year to improve it whether by hospital


treatment, free transport, council tax discount, and so many other


things, and we report on it every. Mr Angus Robertson. Is the Prime


Minister aware that many service widows continue to be deprived of


their forces pensions if there is a change in their personal


circumstances? Does he agree that this is a clear breach in the spirit


of the military covenant and what will he do to rectify this wrong? We


made a big change, last, I think, around Armistice Day, to make sure


that many people to Schmeichel last year, to make sure that people who


had remarried could get pensions. The big step forward welcomed by


British Legion. If we need to take further steps I am very happy to


look at them and see what be done. I remember that in the last budget we


looked at the case of police widows and tried to put right their


situation as well. Doctor James Davis. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Will a


Prime Minister joined me in congratulating Prestatyn, which is a


finalist in the great British high street awards? And will he confirm


whether the UK's government will hold discussions with the Welsh


assembly have and which is about the division of business rates councils


to Wales so that other times in my constituency have a better


opportunity to regenerate? -- other towns. I do join him in


congratulating Prestatyn. I don't know if it is in the same category


as my hometown of Chipping Norton which has also been nominated so I


might have a conflict of interest. What I would say is, in Wales,


business rates is a devolved issue but it's open to the Welsh


government, should they choose to take our approach of devolving that


business rate income directly to local councils so that local


councils have a better connection local councils so that local


between the money they raise and the decisions they make to attract


business investment and industry to their area. I went to Cheltenham


ladies College and the Prime Minister went to Eton. Both schools


which invest Minister went to Eton. Both schools


teaching and facilities for music, dance, arts and drama. Yet while


he's been Prime Minister, the schools which educate 92% of our


pupils have cut teachers in those subjects. Will his legacy be that


Britain stopped being a world leader in creative and cultural industries


and becomes an also-ran? I do not accept that. And if you look at


school funding, it has been protected under this government


school funding, it has been we want to continue protecting it.


What I will make no apology for is the clear focus we have on getting


the basics right in schools. It's absolutely essential that we get


more children learning the basic subjects and getting basic


qualifications. And then subjects and getting basic


that it is more possible to put in place the arts, dance and drama that


I want my children to have as they go to their schools. Damian Collins.


The Channel Tunnel and the Port of Dover are major pieces of lateral


infrastructure but when there are disruptions to services it causes


chaos on the roads of Kent. As the government computers work on the


spending review will the Prime Minister gives special consideration


to the need for an urgent long-term solution to Operation Stack? I


absolutely recognise the serious problems caused to Kent residents


and businesses when it was necessary to put into place Operation Stack.


We've ready and permitted short-term measures to reduce the impact


including the temporary availability of one every and is contingency


measure. I know he met with the Chancellor and other Kent MPs and


we're happy to build on this work. I understand the pressures and we will


do all we to relieve them. May I associate myself with the


do all we to relieve them. May I the Prime Minister made about what


will happen this weekend and also his comments he made to the leader


of the SNP. God his comments he made to the leader


about the fact that thousands of his comments he made to the leader


people who served in the royal navy before 1987 are not entitled to full


compensation, this means that people who have been exposed to disease


stand to lose out massively compared with people in civilian life to the


extent that some idiot who's been exposed in industry could get


?150,000 in compensation, and it is probable that a service person will


only get ?31,000. This is clearly a moral outrage as well as being in


breach... moral outrage as well as being in


honourable gentleman for raising this issue. I understand the Defence


Secretary is looking at it. Since putting in place the military


covenant with tried every year to make progress, whether to do with


widows or with different groups disadvantaged in some way. I am


happy to look at the points he makes. Thank you, Mr Speaker. At the


Royal Society, they've identified the need for 1 million scientists,


engineers and technical professionals by 2020. One way to


bridge the skills grab is an increase in


bridge the skills grab is an apprenticeships like the ones in


Basildon. -- the skills gap. Yet for every one place available 20 people


apply. Will my right honourable friend redouble his efforts to meet


our commitment to 2 million new apprenticeships? This target is


essential and I believe we can achieve it. Going back to questions


from the Honourable member for Slough one way will achieve it is by


making sure that more young people have the qualifications necessary to


apply for an apprenticeship will stop many firms find that a lot of


people apply but when you look at the people who don't have a


qualification in English and maths and becomes down. I'm delighted to


announce that in terms of advice and apprenticeships, to make sure we


work with businesses to get this target, the Right Honourable member


for structure and maven is going to take the place of the Right


Honourable member for Watford who is moved on to other things -- the


Right Honourable member for Stratford-upon-Avon. He is going to


help me make sure we deliver on this. My constituents in Blackpool


face a 11 me on police cuts from the spending review and the new Home


Office formula which tops ?45 million of Lancashire Police. I ask


him whether a cross-party letter from the MPs of like a ship, one


from my neighbourhood watch group, one from other commissions, mostly


Tories, and the Chief Constable, all saying that the process is flawed,


how many blue lights must he have before we had meltdown? Let me say,


the reforms to the police funding formula is a consultation on which


no decisions have been taken. Mayo congratulate the luxuries to him


because crime is down in Blackpool by 5% -- May I congratulate the like


should police. Funding for the Lancashire Police is the same in


cash terms as 2003. Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary found


that Lancashire Constabulary is exceptionally well prepared to face


its future financial requirements. That is the view of HMI sea. In a


country where crime however you measure it has fallen significantly


since this government took office. Annemarie Trevelyan. Thank you, Mr


Speaker. My constituent, one of the UK's leading burns specialists went


on Monday to Bucharest to help Romanian medical teams dealing with


the nightclub fire. I understand that there are 150 patients in need


of critical care and only 25 beds in big rest. She has asked if the Prime


Minister will consider offering practical medical assistance to


these victims by allowing the use of UK burns facilities for their


treatment. I think my honourable friend is right to raise this tragic


event that happened in big rest last Friday. All our thoughts are with


the victims and their families. I'm pleased to hear about the visit of


this doctor and herself was work. It's a very good suggestion to look


that if we can offer specialist help and I will take it away and see what


can be done. The Prime Minister will understand the heartbreak at the


death of a child. For parents not to know what has happened to the ashes


of that child, as is the case with Mike and Tina troll hill in Hull and


other families around the country must be very cruel. Will the Prime


Minister agree to meet Mike and Tina to discuss why we need national and


local inquiry as to what happened in that case around baby ashes? Paige


are completely understand how her constituents feel. This must have


been an absolutely tragic event, made worse by not knowing what has


happened to their child. I am very happy to arrange that meeting. I am


not aware of this case. Let me look at it and see what I can do.


I was delighted that the Chancellor chose our county city of York to


launch the new national infrastructure commission. Could the


Prime Minister confirm that this is the start of a new era where


important investment decisions like roads and railways between the


cities of the North will help to bring growth to our region? My


friend Mike is right to raise this. People in Yorkshire have long felt


that there has not been a fair in a deal in terms of transport funding


on roads and rail. And I think that people can now see that ?13 billion


is being spent on transport in the North as part of our plan to


rebalance the British economy. We've committed more than 4.8 ?3 on road


improvements and we are still improving the a 64, vital for York,


and we will look at what more we can do to make sure this vital part of


the economy has the transport links it needs. John Nicholson. Thank you,


Mr Speaker, on the ninth these extreme state for culture media and


sport told the select committee that there were no plans to sell Channel


4. -- the Secretary of State said that. Can the Prime Minister confirm


that that is the government 's position that there are no


initiatives underway to privatise this important and much loved public


institution. I'm a big fan of Channel 4, it was a great


Conservative innovation. A combination of fully why slow and


Margaret Thatcher that helped to bring Channel 4 to our screens. --


Willie Whitelaw and Margaret Thatcher. I'm a big fan. I wanted to


have a strong, secure future. I think it's right to look at all the


options to see of private investment into the channel could help to


safeguard and the future. Let's look at the options. Let's not our minds,


like some on the opposition front bench, let's not close our minds,


they think that private is bad and public is good. Let's have a proper


look at how to make sure this great channel goes on being great for


years to come. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Everyone who has had any


contact with the adoption process will be familiar with the


frustration that are necessary delays can cause to prospective


parents. Would the Prime Minister take action to speed up the adoption


process so that more children can be placed with the right families more


quickly? Benchmark my friend Mike is right to raise this. We've seen a


72% increase in the number of Jordan adopted and the waiting time on


average has fallen by five months. -- children adopted. Toulon, yet if


you look across the 150 councils responsible, 68 of them have no


mechanisms for early placement, where you run fostering and adoption


alongside each other. If we could introduce that, not least to our


regional adoption agencies that will establish, many more children will


get the warm and loving home we want for them. On Armistice Day will the


prime ministers that thought for the 633 of our bravest and best who died


as a result of two political mistakes. 179 in pursuit of


non-existent weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 454 who died


in the Helmand province inclusion that promised that no shot will be


fired. Will he rethink his own plan to order more of our brave soldiers


to put their lives on the line in the chaos and confusion of a 4-sided


civil war in Syria? I have great respect for the honourable gentleman


but with great respect, on Armistice Day we should put aside political


questions about conflicts and decisions made, and simply remember


the men and women who put on a uniform, went and served and risked


their lives on our behalf. Let's make Armistice Day about that, not


about other questions. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The last week has been a


very good one for Cornwall airport in Newquay with the scrapping of the


development fee which was an additional tax on passages and a


barrier to growth, the enactment of new air links that link Cornwall to


mainland Europe, and the upgrading of the Gatwick limp with the support


of the PSL. Will the Prime Minister join me in congratulating the team


at Newquay airport for their work in supporting the Cornish economy? I am


a huge fan of Newquay airport and a frequent user. The government made a


series of promises about helping the airport to make sure that vital


connectivity between Cornwall and the rest of the country and


continental Europe is there and I am delighted it's so well. Norman Lamb.


continental Europe is there and I am Can I thank the Prime Minister for


his welcome... Order! I want to Can I thank the Prime Minister for


share this question. Mr Lamb? Can I thank the Prime Minister for


Mac can I thank the Prime Minister for his welcome for the campaign


launched this for his welcome for the campaign


from across society joined the Right Honourable


from across society joined the Right Coldfield, Alistair Campbell, and


me, in Coldfield, Alistair Campbell, and


those suffering from mental ill-health. The truth is that those


who ill-health. The truth is that those


the same rights ill-health. The truth is that those


as others enjoy in moral and economic case for ending


overwhelming. Will the Prime moral and economic case for ending


Minister do what it takes to make sure


Minister do what it takes to make delivers the investment, the extra


deliver genuine equality? Let me say to the honourable gentleman, who did


a lot of work on this in the last Parliament, I very much welcome the


campaign and what they want to achieve. We set out in the NHS


Constitution parity between mental and physical health and we have


taken steps towards that for example by introducing the first time


waiting times and proper targets for talking therapies. There are now


twice as many people undergoing those that abuse as there were five


years ago. I those that abuse as there were five


there is more to do in those that abuse as there were five


committed to doing so. Andrew Mitchell. Following up the question


from the gentleman from Norfolk Mitchell. Following up the question


North, I want to emphasise that this Mitchell. Following up the question


agree that there's now Mitchell. Following up the question


opportunity to build on Mitchell. Following up the question


widespread support across all parts of society, and end historic


injustice between the treatment of mental health and the physical


illness. My honourable friend is absolutely right. We are investing


more in mental health than ever. We will spend in 11.4 billion in this


financial year and will spend in 11.4 billion in this


group to make sure real terms increases in their investment in


mental health services so it can't be treated as the Cinderella service


that has sometimes been the case in the past. If we do that, and also


deal with some of the other issues like mental health patients being


held in police cells, we can have a far better system for dealing with


mental health in this country. Thank you Mr Speaker. After the


announcement of job losses in Northern Ireland, one factor has


been high energy costs, will the Prime Minister work with the


Northern Ireland energy initiative to address these issues as a matter


of urgency. For people who are currently in work in Northern


Ireland and are very worried about the impact of cutting working tax


credits. Given that the Prime Minister and the Chancellor are in


the same mode and showing a surprising degree of flexibility


across a range of issues recently will he refers the first of the


policy and remove the threat against working families in Northern Ireland


and across the country? First of all, on the issue of industries, if


a company horrifies as part of the energy intensive industries, it will


see a reduction in its bill,, and the second point I would make to


Northern Ireland is that we have passed in this House historic


legislation to allow Northern Ireland to set its own rate of


corporation tax and the sooner we can put together all the elements of


the Stormont has agreement, the sooner Northern Ireland will be able


to take action to build a stronger private sector in Northern Ireland


which is what I want to see. On the issue of tax credits, I give the


same answer. He will know in three weeks. He also knows that people


working in that business or in others will be able to an ?11,000


before they pay taxes, get more help with childcare and have a higher


wage. We will keep welfare costs under control so that we can build


great public services. Prime Minister's Questions started


late and ended even later. It ended on tax credits. A question from


Nigel Dodds. Jeremy Corbyn kicked off with tax credits would he


referred back to the fact he used his six questions last week on tax


credits to then proceed again to try to pin down the Prime Minister on


whether anyone would be worse off as a result of the tax credit changes.


That followed rebellion and defeat in the House of Lords. The first


three questions on that issue. Jeremy Corbyn moved on to junior


doctors before then trying to test the Government record on health with


his final two questions. It was a slightly awkward and uncomfortable


start to Prime Minister's Questions. There was a lot of barracking to


Jeremy Corbyn, who just talking before continuing on. The Prime


Minister responded on the tax credit issue with, you will have to wait


and see. We have the Autumn Statement and the spending review


coming up in a few weeks' time. That is where we will find out whether


there will be money splashed out to try to mitigate some of the changes


to tax credits. Another change in tactics from Jeremy Corbyn was


instead of quoting members of the public, he used experts. The Kings


fund, a medical expert, to try to put the Prime Minister under


pressure. The Prime Minister did not feel as much under pressure this


week as he did last week. There were a couple of questions, one from


Angus Robertson on the military covenant about whether the Prime


Minister and government are committed to that in spirit. One or


two questions at the end from Norman Lamb, a Liberal Democrat, and Andrew


Mitchell, the Conservative MP. It was about mental health. This was


the weakest performance. He looked like a typical politician trying to


score Picking up on what you said about tactics, I have been watching


PMQs. I am fed up with the shouting and heckling on the backbench side.


Isn't it time the cameras turned on the offenders? It might make them


behave much better. Ed Miliband used to try to ride through the barrage


of it stops and it does have an effect. On the performance of Jeremy


Corbyn with the change in tone and tactic, especially health. It felt a


little bit faltering. Some of the ways in which he asked the


questions, particularly on the NHS. These are important issues. Not


necessarily that focus. We know over the years, we watch PMQs, the way


you make progress on the way you punch through the political defences


of the Prime Minister is by going specific and repeating specific


questions and demands. You do not really get that far. It seemed like


a strange PMQs. Neither of them were up for the dance today David Cameron


said it is getting longer and longer. Part of the energy of these


sessions is, you are on the clock, it is a deadline. It felt flabby.


John Bercow is allowing lots of questions Jeremy Corbyn has an


effective tactic of just stopping when the backbenches are getting


incredibly rowdy. That does happen quite a lot of times and gives it a


very different mood. Members of the public think it is quite right to do


that. Let's move on to the spending review and the Autumn Statement. A


lot of that was pushed to, let's see what happens in a few weeks' time.


What can people expect? Three weeks today the Chancellor sets out a


number of plans. It adds more flesh to the different investment


programmes. Will he mitigate the tax credit changes? He said he will


listen to concerns being raised and come back to it. We are committed to


welfare spending by 12 William pounds and increasing wages and


lowering taxes. What will happen with this? -- ?12 million. There


will be some kind of mitigation. Worth remarking on a quite


significant bus stop that is going on about it with the Chancellor


trying to raid the budget of Iain Duncan-Smith's beloveds programme of


universal credit. This is the huge, super programme of welfare which is


supposed to take over from welfare payments. It has been said that the


Chancellor is quite up nicking some of the cash, a couple of million


through universal credits. A few sharp words. That would be a very


problematic way. The comment made by David Cameron, he has voted against


welfare changes. Any proposals where there is a huge amount of money


spent which could be spent on other things, particularly non-protected


departments. You'll agree you need to bring the cost of welfare down.


What you will have is fewer people claiming housing benefit than we


have at the moment. In the here and now, 82% of children in Addington


are being brought up in families where tax credit is really matter to


them. I think it is absolutely wrong he has made this move. It does not


surprise me there has been a reaction to it against the political


-- across the political spectrum. Another issue that PMQs today, the


Prime Minister brushed aside the concerns being expressed by Gordon


Marsden over the police. Not true that violent crime is falling,


sexual crime and suchlike is up. Just two weeks ago, what was


reported on was there would be 5 million crimes of fraud online and


cyber crime. You would see statistics showing a 40% increase


will stop most important of all, if you cut 17,000 police officers and a


further 22,000 police officers, it will put the public at risk. When


you went to the people of your constituency in Suffolk, back in


May, did you say, vote for me and I will cut 22,000 police officers? I


will tell you what I said. I will stand on a platform to balance the


books we start to pay down the debt that Labour ballooned when they were


in office was the public has the second lowest funding per head with


police. 29 forces at the moment will benefit. 13 will reduce the debt has


led to changes that Suffolk police and others have responded. It makes


common sense for fire stations and police stations to be one building,


not separate. It has not been done. The problem generally is the low


hanging fruit has gone. Where will it come from? All of the back


office, the tax avoidance, surely it went in the first five years of the


Coalition Government? That has been taken into account. Where will it


go? You will have seen a change with police and crime commissioners. They


bring in ideas without affecting the operation. Those low hanging fruit


are quite difficult and have not been done.


a chorus of voices have said simply this, from London to Lancashire,


chief constables are saying that we can no longer guaranteed public


safety of the government proceeds with cuts on this scale.


Non-protected departments are really going to be hit. Behind the scenes


that are epic battles between ministers and the Treasury about


where they will find their cuts between 25 and 40%. Some people


believe the easy savings went between 2010 and 2015. Some


ministers are trying to look for bigger opportunities to make bigger


changes to make reforms that also deliver cash but there are really


serious and worrying conversations. People about this, and briefly, for


the police, it has become not a serious political issue yet but it


may well. Some conservative lease commissioners are making protests as


well. -- police commissioners. Thank you, Laura.


Are you the type of person who likes a campaign?


Do you send around appeals on Facebook and change


Are you fond of a good slogan badge and partial


If so, does it really achieve anything?


Writer James James Bartholomew thinks not - he says it's really


This is the birthplace of Octavia Hill.


She was co-founder of the National Trust,


but more importantly, she was a major social reformer in the 19th


She was appalled by the living conditions of the working poor.


But instead of just wringing her hands about it


She created low-cost housing for them.


These days, many people think that merely


expressing an opinion establishes that they really, really care.


They use wristbands, hashtags, tweets,


twibbons and T-shirts to show they have fashionably right-on opinions.


I call this phenomenon virtue signalling.


It is the idea that having and expressing particular opinion


In Britain we can be quite sophisticated about this.


We can indicate how good we are by saying we hate something.


"I hate the Daily Mail" means "I am an open-minded liberal sort


"I hate Ukip" means "I'm not a racist", and the more angry


and the more I beat the drum about how I hate Ukip, the more it


But have you noticed something about this kind of virtue?


In contrast to Octavia here, it does not require actually doing anything.


It requires a show of effort and no sacrifice.


I suppose the reason that all this virtue signalling really


irritates me is that there are still people who are truly virtuous.


These are plaques commemorating people who did actual good deeds.


And that kind of generosity and decency takes place today


among ordinary people, people who stay together for the sake of the


children, a person who looks after an elderly parent, maybe for years.


There is such a thing still as actual virtue.


But virtue signalling without actually doing


It is self-righteous, vain, and silly.


It is not what you say or think that matters, it's what you do.


James Bartholomew, at Octavia Hill Birthplace House in Wisbech.


What's new about this? Presumably throughout history there have been


holier than thou people. As the Internet make this worse? I don't


know. This is going back to the subject write about, the welfare


state. The welfare state has a lot to do with it, people feel they have


outsourced their decency, I pay taxes, therefore I don't have to


anything! That is part of why virtues signalling without doing


anything has increased. Are they doing nothing? Surely the idea of


saying that I feel strongly about this and other people will say, I


agree, what can we do, you have been crowd sourcing something you can do


about it, whereas you might not have known what to do in the first place.


You can do two things. Change government policy which could do


good or harm, or you could do something like setting up a home for


the elderly or an organisation that visits lonely elderly people. You


can do something. And that's great. Campaigning can lead to that. What


irritates me is the people who I've met, in contrast to people who do


real good, the people who think, I can say that I hate the Daily Mail


and Ukip and I vote Labour once every five years, I am a morally


superior person. That irritates me because there are people who make


sacrifices... LAUGHTER


The suggestion is that virtues signalling is a problem for the


left! The phrase that I created is mentioned several hundred times in


the Guardian because they are accusing each other of virtues


signalling. Is that fair? It is not what you say, it is what you do. It


used to be that if an MP got half a dozen letters they would think it


was a movement. Now you can get hundreds of e-mails. Many standard,


some telling personal stories. I think there is now a welcome culture


of people finding it easier to communicate with their MP and that's


a good thing. Using to be suggesting that there is a sanctimonious tone


about it and laziness behind it. Absolutely, lazy, vain,


self-righteous. With these conditions you can do so easily,


saying that there are naked women in the Sun, that is awful. Not actually


changing anything. Do you do virtue signalling, Therese it's


extraordinary. Twitter doesn't reflect British opinion in anyway,


even people who click an e-mail, I think that has lost its currency as


well. You do not have to think things through, you can say, this is


awful and you don't have do think through the consequences, reducing


tax credits, what's the other side of the story? What do you do to do


something about things. I can't start boasting that, that would be


equally bad! You sort the trap! Do you volunteer, do you do things? I


don't want to boast about things I do. That would be pride as well. Let


me spare you the embarrassment, thank you.


Now, what do Anthony Gormley, William Shakespeare and


The answer is they all feature in the new British passport,


designed especially to celebrate the UK's creative and cultural past.


It's meant to be the most secure passport ever, but its launch


The travel document features seven men, but only two women


and no-one from Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.


Here's what the Home Office Minister, James Brokenshire had


The people of Great Britain and Northern Ireland continue to be


pioneers within the creative sector. And in recognition of all of these


achievements, I'm today proud to unveil the latest design of the UK


passport. Under the theme of "Creative United Kingdom".


This design will be used for the next five years, and features the


works of many of this country's finest creative talents.


With me now, passport expert Martin Lloyd. He's the author of The


Passport. This has caused almighty row. Apparently yes, we have a


pretty picture book for a passport. It wasn't always like that. What was


it like? It's derived from a letter of introduction and a king 's


licence which was permission to leave the country. It came looking


like a letter of introduction! Of course you didn't need a Buddhist


passport. This man, Charles Sloan, went to France on a French passport!


It was quite easy. The British passport cost ?2 seven and six, the


French one cost four shillings. No argument! To bring it forward, only


two women, seven men. What do you think of that? I don't know. I like


women! Does it matter? It does. The idea that men are more creative than


women, there are some outstanding women who should have been included


like the wonderful architect who designed the Olympic Village. Why


don't we have creative people of that kind reflecting the diversity


of this country as well? I just think maybe your government has a


problem with women? It's not true, Elisabeth Scott is featured and she


designed the RSC. Do you know much about her? I know she's designing


iconic buildings. The things we are addressing like gender equality, it


is nonsense to say that we don't like women. Who has the best


passport? We must. It is almost the most expensive. Doesn't mean it is


the best? Of course not. It is a good demonstration of the skill of


the printers, clever ideas, but the forgers are always six months behind


them so they have to keep renewing these things. If we left the


European Union would we need another passport? That would be good, we


could go back to Victorian times and have something personally signed by


the Foreign Secretary! That's the way to do it! Passport and 13. Izzy


and to Thomas Hodges, signed by Lord Palmerston. -- is used to Thomas


Hodges. When you handed that to a foreigner, they knew you were


British! This just time to put you out of your misery.


Therese, press that big red button there.


The answer to Guess The Year was 2012. The mug goes to our viewer.


Christa Williams, well done. That's all for today.


The One O'clock News is starting over on BBC One now.


Andrew will be back here as well, so do join us then.


I'm actually tingling with the excitement.


We're going to test your skills at the wheel.


It's too intimidating. Do it for your family!


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