18/01/2016 Daily Politics


18/01/2016

Jo Coburn is joined by Kit Malthouse and Karin Smyth. Dan Hodges and Owen Jones assess Jeremy Corbyn's announcements on nuclear weapons, strike laws and terrorism.


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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.

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David Cameron says that too few Muslim women living in Britain speak

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Is their isolation fuelling extremism?

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After a difficult few weeks for the Labour leader,

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Jeremy Corbyn sets out his policy stall, but will voters like the look

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There are four well known Eurosceptics in the Cabinet,

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but will any of them campaign for an British exit

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Donald J Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown

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of Muslims entering the United States.

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After that statement last month and 500,000 signatures to an online

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petition, MPs debate whether to ban Donald trump from the UK.

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All that in the next hour and with us for the whole

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of the programme today are the Conservative MP and former

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Deputy Mayor of London, Kit Malthouse and the Labour MP

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The Prime Minister says that too few Muslim women living in the UK speak

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good English and that this is fuelling social isolation

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He has announced ?20 million to fund English lessons and said that anyone

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on a spousal visa who fails to master the language could be

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It is essential that it does work because we want to build a more

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integrated, cohesive, one nation society where everyone

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You can't have a country of opportunity if some people can't

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speak the language and in many cases, it's no fault of their own.

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It's because they've been put into a situation where they have

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been encouraged not to integrate and not to go out and not to learn

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the language and that's not good enough.

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That needs to change in our country and these proposals will make sure

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We're joined now from Birmingham by Zymbeida Limbada

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of the anti-extremism charity, Connect Justice.

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Welcome to the Daily Politics. What do you think of David Cameron's

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suggestion that there is or could be a link between low levels of English

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amongst some Muslim women and the potential for extremism? There is

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absolutely no evidence to suggest that for example if you look at the

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700 cases of people who have gone to fight in Syria to join Isis that if

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their mothers had actually spoken English, this would have stopped

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them from going into Syria. So the evidence is very poor in this

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particular case. If it is a security issue, the lack of evidence is very

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different from something that I see framed within the context of

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equalities. Social mobility and integration, those are two very

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different matters and it is important that the Prime Minister

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does not conflict two very separate issues. So when he says that if you

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don't speak English, I mean, this is what I put to you initially, but in

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a slightly different angle, you could be more susceptible to the

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extremists message that comes from Daesh. Do you think that a sense of

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isolation, if you don't speak English could make some people

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susceptible to a radical message coming from outside the UK? The fact

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that you don't speak a particular language and within if you look at

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for example Chinese communities, Polish communities, it means that

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everyone is susceptible. That women for example, that we engage with

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from the Muslims communities, one of their concerns, when it comes to

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practical measures when it comes to conversing with their children is

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around the fact that they don't understand the internet. They don't

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understand social media and that's something that concerns them on the

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extremism aspect. There is a different matter when it comes to

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learning, being engaged in the economy, getting jobs, and being

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part of society. It is what David Cameron says about British values.

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Two different matters. What about the issue of identity though? Does

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that in anyway sort of transcend towards messages of extremism and

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radicalisation for the very reasons you've said? If you are not having

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any other engagement beyond the home or beyond the mosque and you don't

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have access to the internet, in that sense, could you be radicalised in

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any way? I mean, there is no end to, it could be this, or it could be

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that. If you start to target a particular segment of the community

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and then if you look at gender within that community and a few

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saying that they are disempowered, by adding punitive measures and

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adding in the lens of security, surely that makes them slightly more

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susceptible to not listening to the message that the Prime Minister is

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trying to give. Actually t could have the opposite effect. It is more

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likely to radicalise by taking this language and these measures.

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likely to radicalise by taking this agree the foundation of integration

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is language acquisition, it sits at the base of every coherent society

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that we have a common language that everybody can participate in and can

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absorb through the various routes, the media and the influences that

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they need to turn into a productive member of society. What the Prime

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Minister wrote in the Times today, it was very balanced and measured

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about this idea, there are particular segments of society, who

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because of cultural or other practises are marginalised, maybe

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because they are new arrivals to the country and don't have the language

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acquisition and he wants to make it easier, it is that simple. As a

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by-product, was it helpful to actually link the fact that there is

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a potential for extremism with low levels of English amongst Muslim

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women? One of the things that's women? One of the things that's

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challenged everybody around counter extremism is the idea of certain

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sections of the community, whoever they maybe, feeling as if they are

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outside of the mainstream. If one of the barriers to that is language,

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then surely we should do something to tackle it? If you look at a

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message that the Government is giving of participation, I fully

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embrace that. When a male Prime Minister tells me that he is

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embraced equality, a positive message. When the Cabinet has 20

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member and ten women, those are the bigger issues of ensuring equalities

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is a standard message. That involves everyone, but it is heard by

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everyone and not alienating certain segments of the community with

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punitive measures. Let's look at the measures. Is it right to be looking

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at not extending visas if somebody has been here for two-and-a-half

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years and they still don't speak English? Again, I would like to ask

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David Cameron how would you be measuring someone's level of English

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in terms of the progress that they may have made in two, two-and-a-half

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years? As a child of immigrant parents, it is almost implying that

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integration over a longer term does not work. Investment has got to be

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more sustained. We have had around 20% cuts in language classes and to

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suddenly reintroduce ?20 million of investment for a particular targeted

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minority community simply on the basis of gender is not a thought

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through messure. It is almost like the Government are running out of

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ideas around extremism and conflating this dangerously. How

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would this work? People will be deported if very haven't reached a

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certain level of English? They wouldn't be deported. They wouldn't

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have their visa extended. It would be taken into account. How measure?

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If you apply for a tier two visa, there is a test that establishes the

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level you need to work here. We assess everybody's English in this

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country in school anyway by making people take exams. Surely, it is a

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good thing to have extra money, that is targeted, never mind it was cut

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by the Government originally in this particular area, but it is targeted

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to help people who could be marginalised and learn and improve

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English. I grew up in an Irish family in this country in the 70s

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and 80s, it wasn't fashionable to be Irish growing up at that time. And I

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think that feeling of being made to feel other than being fully British

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is really problematic. I think it is clumsy. I think it would be counter

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productive for those communities. We need a much more... Do you think it

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would actually marginalise them further? When you feel you are being

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attacked for who you are, you know, people gather together, don't they?

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You sense that you must look after yourselves and I think that's really

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clumsy and unhelpful at this time. And as Kit said, people are required

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to pass an English test to come through. I'm in the sure what the

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detail is. I'm not sure this is being

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characterised as an attack. This is ?20 million... Cuts from further

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education colleges. Why are you targeting Muslim women in

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particular? Is that the only segment in society that can't speak good

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will you have English in the Government's mind? If you read the

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article it talks about women generally. The Prime Minister said

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it would be targeted at women and specifically again at Muslim women.

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It maybe that he identifies a particular problem. This comes out

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of a meeting that he held last week with leading Muslim women at Downing

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Street where a number of them recouldn'ted to him the problems

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that they felt there were within the community of marginalisation and

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certain cultural practises which are not beneficial to the progress of

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women, so naturally he is going to talk about that. When I was a

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councillor, we had a problem in the Chinese society. That is something

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that could be addressed too. On the cultural issue, there is a

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disconnect if there are communities where women are kept at home by

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their male partners, where they are not given access to the things that

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other women are given. Do you see that that isn't in accord with the

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British values that David Cameron believes? I think, I mean, even kind

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of referring to Kit's point here about the Prime Minister meeting

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women in Downing Street. I would start off by urging David Cameron to

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come and speak to the women that we talk to on a daily basis. Some of

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the issues are very different from what the Government seems to

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constantly impose and continues to marginalise. There has been a lot of

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again, disenchantment with the Government's way of messaging. It is

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very paternalistic and it is constantly reinforcing this view

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that the Muslim community have got a problem that they need to sort out.

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There is no partnership element and that's complete lilacing as well.

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The question for today is: what song does Jeremy Corbyn whistle

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Is it, A, Only You by the Flying Pickets?

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B, God Save the Queen by The Sex Pistols?

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Or D, Tie a Yellow Ribbon Round the Old Oak Tree

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At the end of the show Karin and Kit will no doubt give us

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It has not been an easy start to the year for Jeremy Corbyn,

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but now the dust has settled on his Shadow Cabinet reshuffle,

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the Labour leader seems keen to shift the focus onto policy.

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On Friday, Labour launched their defence review,

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including looking at their policy on Trident, and Mr Corbyn was out

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at the weekend to set out his stall on a wide range of issues.

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In an interview on The Andrew Marr Show, Mr Corbyn

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reiterated his support for the junior doctors strikes said

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he would repeal legislation outlawing "sympathy strikes".

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He said that there has to be discussions with Argentina over

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the future of the Falklands, but that the Islanders have

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On Trident, he reiterated his anti-nuclear stance,

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but he put forward the possibility of maintaining the submarines

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without the nuclear warheads as a way of protecting jobs.

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And he said that there needs to be a "route through" to talks

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Dialogue is perhaps the wrong word to use.

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I think there has to be some understanding of where their strong

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points are, their weak points are, and how we can

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So, I believe that the neighbouring governments in the region

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Look at the way there has been to some degree,

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at times, of prisoner, hostage exchange.

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Look, we've got to bring about a political solution in Syria.

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That's something I've been calling for all along.

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So, Vienna has made a lot of progress, it has to go a lot

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But war crimes have got to be addressed.

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And we are joined now by the Guardian columnist Owen Jones

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Welcome to you both of you. Dan Hodges, on its foreign policy stuff,

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what was your overall impression? Well, a normal political context, it

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would be another disaster for the Labour Party. This these are simply

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not the issues that Labour wants to be discussing at the moment. Which

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ones are you talking about? The Falklands, the opening door for

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negotiation with Isil, Trident, obviously and if you remember when

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Jeremy Corbyn was first elected within hours of his election, the

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Conservatives sent out a series of adverts to frame Jeremy Corbyn as

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weak on defence, weak on national security and to put this issue at

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the top of the political agenda and indeed, if you saw it, there was an

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poll in the Independent on Sunday yesterday which shows that national

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security is at the top of people's concerns. So, on that level, it is

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disastrous for Labour, but we have to understand this is not a normal

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political context, Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party are not atelting to

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frame a programme for Government. It is all about internal politics

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within the Labour Party for Jeremy Corbyn at the moment. Right, well,

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let's take two of those Owen Jones and talk about his comments on the

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Falklands and some sort of talks, not dialogue, with Isil. I mean, is

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he actually going to be able to change the terms of trade on

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national security and defence or will he continue to be pigeon-holed

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in the day that Dan Hodges said he is?

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On domestic policy it is pretty united, that is where it needs to

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focus. On foreign policy, what the Labour leadership needs to focus on

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putting the Government on the defensive, like its alliance with

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the Saudi dictatorship which beheads its own citizens, kills political

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dissidents, treats women as having no rights. Crucially, exports

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international extremism all over the world, a threat to the security of

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the people watching this programme. A second issue dealing with Isis,

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the role of Turkey, a British ally, where it allows Isis fighters to

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cross into Syria, posing a threat to national-security. Lots of issues it

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could be focusing on. My own view is there is consensus on domestic

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policy where labour needs to put in an alternative.

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You say there is consensus but not on defence, particularly Trident. On

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issues like Saudi, Jeremy Corbyn has raised that issue and one could

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argue David Cameron responded in terms of prisons being built, human

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rights, delaying a visit, others the things Jeremy Corbyn has brought to

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the table. They are not the things that need to

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be brought to the table. Morally we can have a discussion about Saudi, I

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would echo those sentiments, but people in the country will not be

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voting in local, mayoral or general elections on our relationship with

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Saudi Arabia. Jeremy Corbyn has fallen into a trap David Cameron has

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set. David Cameron and the Tories wanted to frame Jeremy Corbyn as a

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leader and the Labour Party as a party weak on national security, and

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have succeeded spectacularly, primarily as a result of what Jeremy

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Corbyn has said. The point about Saudi Arabia is it

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poses a threat to national security in this country. There is a genuine

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threat to families from extremists who believe in an ideology which is

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hateful and a threat to the lives of people here. Saudi Arabia is at the

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Centre. My point is, this is the point of the debate, it is easy, I

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could get forced to talk about this and that with people saying you are

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not sticking to parities of people around the country. I am saying the

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lead -- I am saying the Labour leadership... If I go back home to

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Stockport, in the pub, there won't be talking about Westminster or the

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ticks, what are the priorities that affect them on a daily basis? That

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is what we need to talk about. Let us talk about national security

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and the issue of Trident, the future of Trident in terms of its renewal.

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You say there is consensus but there is not. You know, on the issue of

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Trident, there is a row brewing with the unions, why have Trident

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submarines without missiles? It cannot be a deterrent if people know

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there is nothing on board. The issue of nuclear weapons, we

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should be mature on having a discussion on spending on that.

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The idea you would have submarines without...

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With all respect, I had to answer the question. Do we spend ?100

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billion on nuclear bombs? Many former army generals have argued

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that as having nuclear bombs which we can't use without the say-so of

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the US isn't relevant to the security threats we face.

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People watching world believe we should have nuclear bombs and others

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who don't. We should be grown up enough as a democracy to have that

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debate, do we spend that money on conventional Armed Forces? Social

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care for elderly? Housing? Above all else, what Labour needs to focus on

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our domestic policies, economy, housing, we aren't even having this

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discussion now. Do you support the renewal of

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Trident? I agree we need to focus on domestic

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policies, the Stockport test also applies in Bristol.

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What you think about the submarines without missiles?

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I watched Jeremy, the first I have seen of that. We are undertaking a

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defence review. I would much rather talk about domestic issues. I am one

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of 12 Labour MPs out of 197 across the country outside London, someone

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said there were more Labour MPs, more people have walked on the moon

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than Labour MPs in the south of England. This is the real issue.

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Danny is right, security and your family security, international

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security, is an election issue. It's Jeremy Corbyn helpful to you

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election campaign? He has been elected for his honesty

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and straightforward attitude, to be commended. I wish we were rather

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talking about other things. There is a debate to be had over

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Trident. There is an issue about nuclear weapons in the world today.

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There is any debate because Jeremy Corbyn has chosen to have that

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debate. Everyone in the Labour Party says we need to take the fight to

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the Tories on various issues but it is Jeremy Corbyn who specifically,

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remember, there has been a settled consensus on nuclear defence policy

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for decades. It is Jeremy Corbyn alone who has opened this up.

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What about trade union laws, secondary picketing, sympathy

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strikes, is that something to reopen?

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We need to bring these laws into the 21st-century, we have some of the

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most restrictive in the Western world, the words of Tony Blair. The

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problem with existing trade union laws are they are so weighted in

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favour of the employer. Even before the crash, employers were posting

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record profits as workers's wagers were flat-lining or falling, because

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they did not have strong enough trade unions.

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Less demand in the economy, more people rely on tax credit is what it

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meant. We can argue the biggest democratic movement in the country

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represent the people who stack shelves in supermarkets, clean the

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streets, should have more rights. That would be good for the economy.

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They would have more sustainable wage rises.

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On national-security and defence, you argue differently. On the

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economy, on parts of society who feel they have been marginalised

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young people, isn't it their way he could strike a chord?

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No, we know how it ended with Ed Miliband. You can make the argument

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but actually you can't, this is the problem. The slogan, we want a

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return to secondary picketing, give the Falklands back to Argentina

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negotiate with Isis, get rid of Britain's nuclear... That won't

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work. If Jeremy Corbin wants to make those arguments, he is entitled. You

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cannot on one hand say you have to pass the Stockport pub test, and on

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the other hand have Jeremy Corbyn going... Asks to pass the Jolly

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sailor test at the same time as having him go on Sunday Politics and

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setting out that programme of what he is offering.

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These were the questions directly posed to him. You can argue...

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He said he wanted to change Labour's policy on secondary picketing... In

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the leadership election, you are telling people that is why we should

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vote for Jeremy Corbyn. They have voted for him. Now you can't say,

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how do you ask him this? The point above all else is that

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what they should be asking is what are his alternative ideas to what

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the Government is doing. Universal Credit which will leave millions of

:24:22.:24:25.

working families worse off. The housing crisis. The fact at the

:24:26.:24:32.

moment we have a crisis in terms of the unions on the brink of

:24:33.:24:35.

disintegrating. All I would say, the Labour leadership it is incumbent

:24:36.:24:42.

upon them to pass that Jolly sailor test. Focus on housing, falling home

:24:43.:24:51.

ownership, lack of council housing, jobs, social security, issues people

:24:52.:24:55.

care about. BBC journalists will ask about issues more peripheral. The

:24:56.:25:00.

Labour leadership needs to focus on those.

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Is secondary picketing a crucial priority?

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It is not a dull time to be a new Labour MP.

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It is not a priority. How people are involved in their workplace,

:25:15.:25:18.

workplace democracy, the rise of self-employment, how people work

:25:19.:25:21.

today, is what we should be talking about. Bristol has a proud

:25:22.:25:27.

industrial past which is changing, with new jobs. My constituents are

:25:28.:25:32.

disbarred from those. This is the issue.

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Thank you. Now the steel producer Tata has

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announced it is cutting around 1,000 jobs today at plants including

:25:38.:25:40.

Port Talbot and Llanwern in South The cuts deal a huge blow

:25:41.:25:42.

to the industry and the Welsh economy, and come on top of almost

:25:43.:25:49.

3,500 job losses in the UK steel The local MP for Port Talbot,

:25:50.:25:52.

Stephen Kinnock, joins us now. The local MP for Port Talbot,

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question mark yes, this crisis has been brewing for many years and

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unfortunately we have a Government sitting on its hands, they have not

:26:12.:26:15.

taken the action they needed on the dumping of Chinese steel.

:26:16.:26:20.

There is a strategy for public procurement to maximise local

:26:21.:26:24.

content. There isn't any imagination on business rates.

:26:25.:26:27.

Crippling energy costs. This is not something which has come out in the

:26:28.:26:39.

last month but has been brewing for years.

:26:40.:26:40.

The garment has been asleep at the wheel. What will the impact be on

:26:41.:26:43.

steel working communities? It will be huge, the Port Tolbert steel is

:26:44.:26:46.

the beating heart of our economy will stop we need to look closely at

:26:47.:26:51.

the package for redundancies, to help people to transition to other

:26:52.:26:55.

jobs. A very challenging time for the community and our thoughts are

:26:56.:26:59.

with the people directly affected and their families.

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There are echoes of the 1980s, the closing of minds. We have the demise

:27:04.:27:06.

of the steel industry. The Chinese steel perch and is more

:27:07.:27:12.

competitive, should we accept that? There was an a level playing field,

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Chinese steel is subsidised to the helps, it percent of Chinese steel

:27:19.:27:21.

industry is state owned which has enabled them to dump their steel at

:27:22.:27:27.

ridiculously low prices. We're not asking for special treatment but a

:27:28.:27:31.

level playing field. Means using international trading rules to

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Mitchell we get that fairness and level playing field. Steel is a

:27:37.:27:40.

foundation industry, the homes we live in, cars we drive, this

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Government has to decide, should the UK produce steel or not?

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Should it be? I think it should, I have every

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sympathy. A dreadful blow for Port Tolbert. We have a statement in the

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House. Was the Government on -- asleep on

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the job? The Prime Minister took it to the EU too late.

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Not necessarily asleep on a job but the point about enforcing WTO rules,

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the Government will push hard to make sure the rules are enforced and

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the Chinese are not dumping steel. It is not too late, there are

:28:22.:28:24.

negotiations. They had a steel summit when the plant in the Redcar

:28:25.:28:30.

was closed down. ?18 million going into retraining to

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see if we can move people away from overall reliance on these large

:28:36.:28:39.

heavy industries which are sadly becoming more mobile across the

:28:40.:28:42.

world. An awful lot of stuff is being done.

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We live in a global market. We benefit from free trade. The idea we

:28:48.:28:53.

can isolate ourselves from these changes is difficult.

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The key as a Government is how to pluralise and diversify the economy

:28:58.:29:02.

so not reliant on these leviathan industries.

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In a way that is the Government's fault. In the years of coalition,

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there was talk of diversifying, not being reliant on financial services.

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Here we are in 2016, again, reliant on financial services and we have a

:29:19.:29:22.

bubbling housing market. The garment failed its own test.

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That is not fair. Give me a manufacturing industry which has

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been balanced. Look at life sciences whether

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Government has maintained funding in research, and the world it is

:29:35.:29:39.

revered in a way it wasn't ten years ago. Look at Wales, Cardiff, a new

:29:40.:29:48.

bioscience hub built there. Using that as a powerhouse for life

:29:49.:29:53.

sciences in Wales, south Wales. Part of the new industrial strategy. What

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has happened to manufacturing output?

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These are intellectual poverty based businesses.

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Has manufacturing output in the UK contracted or grown?

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It has been flat. Last figures show it has contracted. It hasn't been a

:30:14.:30:20.

rebalancing of the economy. I would dispute that. In my work,

:30:21.:30:26.

Deputy Mayor for business and enterprise in London. One issue was

:30:27.:30:33.

to make sure we won't reliant on financial services and we worked

:30:34.:30:37.

hard with the south-east and the Welsh and Scots and in the north, to

:30:38.:30:42.

make sure science was the area we concentrated on. That may take time

:30:43.:30:47.

to build. There are more people employed in life sciences in the UK

:30:48.:30:51.

than financial services. You are giving a partial picture.

:30:52.:31:02.

Kit Malthouse has a point. Growth in some areas, but not necessarily

:31:03.:31:09.

where you are. We have to look at diversifying our economy where we

:31:10.:31:12.

can, but in order to do that, you need a Government that's prepared to

:31:13.:31:14.

work in premiership with business and to have a proper industrial

:31:15.:31:18.

strategy that looks at infrastructure, investment, energy,

:31:19.:31:20.

skills, unfortunately we have a Secretary of State for Business who

:31:21.:31:25.

is not even prepared to let the words industrial strategy has his

:31:26.:31:28.

lips. He doesn't believe in it. He is looking at the banking sector as

:31:29.:31:32.

a sector that he thinks is the future of the British economy as you

:31:33.:31:38.

rightly say, Jo, we have got the biggest trade deficit since records

:31:39.:31:42.

began in 1830, we have got a productivity crisis and a massive

:31:43.:31:45.

unbalancing of the British economy with all the wealth and activity

:31:46.:31:48.

being sucked into London and we've got a Government that's not prepared

:31:49.:31:54.

to do anything about it. The time for warm words and excuses are over

:31:55.:31:59.

and we need to see action. The idea of prioritising, after the crash,

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the Government put up taxpayers money, hundreds of billions of

:32:05.:32:07.

pounds to prop up that industry. Why won't they do something similar for

:32:08.:32:15.

steel? Well, they are. They are putting ?80 million in to recognise

:32:16.:32:19.

that some of these communities need to reskill for some of the new

:32:20.:32:23.

industries that are coming along. Based in the same area? It is

:32:24.:32:25.

interesting the previous conversation. We can do back what we

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did in the 1970s and 1980s, isolate ourselves from the world and

:32:32.:32:36.

industries over time will move overseas or we can make ourselves

:32:37.:32:40.

more nimble and agile and give people the skills to access the new

:32:41.:32:45.

jobs and the new industries. Spread them out as far and as wide as we

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can. I want the jobs in my part of the world as well. Before we go,

:32:51.:32:56.

Stephen kin OK on Jeremy Corbyn, but related to our discussion on

:32:57.:33:02.

manufacturing. I mean his policy of unilateral disarmament would deprive

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the defence industry of thousands of jobs, do you agree with him? No, I

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don't. I'm committed to the UK keeping a arms deterrent. I think

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we, but it is based on my experience having lived and worked in Russia

:33:20.:33:23.

for three years and we've got to, this is not the time to be dropping

:33:24.:33:27.

our guard. I will continue to argue forcefully for the renewal of tri

:33:28.:33:31.

didn't and for the UK to keep a nuclear deterrent. What's your view

:33:32.:33:36.

of Jeremy support of secondary picketing action, what will that do

:33:37.:33:41.

to encourage investment? The risk we have is this can stir up a hornets

:33:42.:33:47.

nest without a fully thought out strategy for how we're going to

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demonstrate that Labour is actually a party of business. We are

:33:51.:33:54.

pro-business. We're not pro business as usual. We want to mend capitalism

:33:55.:33:59.

and not end it at all. This has got to be about a broader reform

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package. We need to engage with the business community. I'd like to see

:34:03.:34:06.

us working much more closely with business to set out our new

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strategy, our industrial policy, our strategies for growth. And I think

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that clearly, what we are talking about here with workplace

:34:17.:34:19.

consultation, secondary picketing, that should be part of a broader

:34:20.:34:23.

conversation. The risk is if you only talk about that, you're

:34:24.:34:26.

isolating yourself from the business community and that's something

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Labour can't afford to do and should not be doing. Stephen kin OK, thank

:34:29.:34:31.

you. Thank you.

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Now, in a moment, we'll be talking to two of Fleet Street's finest.

:34:40.:34:42.

But, first, let's take a look at some of the other stories that

:34:43.:34:45.

will be making the news in Westminster this week.

:34:46.:34:47.

This afternoon, MPs will debate a petition calling for Donald Trump

:34:48.:34:50.

to be banned from the UK, and another saying he should

:34:51.:34:53.

On Tuesday, December's inflation figures will be published.

:34:54.:34:55.

And Bank Of England Governor Mark Carney will be making a speech

:34:56.:34:58.

Also on Tuesday, a report into how polling companies got the outcome

:34:59.:35:03.

of last year's general election so wrong, will be published.

:35:04.:35:05.

David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn will face each other

:35:06.:35:07.

in the their weekly clash at PMQs on Wednesday.

:35:08.:35:09.

And Kate Hoey MP launches the Labour campaign to leave the EU,

:35:10.:35:12.

And, on Thursday, David Cameron makes speech to World Economic Forum

:35:13.:35:17.

We're joined now by Emily Ashton from Buzzfeed UK, that's an online

:35:18.:35:23.

Welcome to both of you. No wonder they're looking bemused. Emily,

:35:24.:35:37.

let's talk about the economy. Because we had conflicting reports

:35:38.:35:40.

from George Osborne before Christmas, in the Autumn Statement,

:35:41.:35:44.

it looked as if everything was rosy. More recently, he warned about a

:35:45.:35:49.

dangerous cocktail that needs to be carefully avoided to ensure the

:35:50.:35:53.

British economy stays on track. Is it looking more dangerous now with

:35:54.:35:57.

the job losses? It is all a bit confusing to people, isn't it? In

:35:58.:36:01.

the Autumn Statement, you know, you have suddenly, he has got money to

:36:02.:36:05.

give away to various things and it looked very rosy and suddenly, happy

:36:06.:36:09.

New Year, the year is going to be very gloomy indeed. Interest rates

:36:10.:36:12.

are probably going to go up. The Middle East is looking a bit dodgy

:36:13.:36:17.

and oil prices are plummeting and suddenly, yes, you see the job

:36:18.:36:20.

losses and it is not looking good at all. It is confusing and the economy

:36:21.:36:23.

is not looking as rosy as it was at the end of last year. Sam Coates,

:36:24.:36:28.

was he wrong in the Autumn Statement and has he only just realised? Has

:36:29.:36:33.

the Treasury sat him down and said, "Look, all the things that Emily

:36:34.:36:36.

mentioned and tax receipts aren't going to be as strong as first

:36:37.:36:42.

thought." I don't think he was wrong when he made the Autumn Statement,

:36:43.:36:47.

but he took a risk and the risk was to spend the ?27 billion extra that

:36:48.:36:54.

the independent office for responsibility said was available to

:36:55.:36:57.

him because of a change in forecast, because of lower inflation and those

:36:58.:37:04.

three things meant he did have this pot of money available, what they

:37:05.:37:07.

can give in one Autumn Statement they can take away in a Budget. The

:37:08.:37:11.

big worry for George Osborne is that when it comes round to the next big

:37:12.:37:17.

fiscal event, this year's Budget, which will probably come before the

:37:18.:37:20.

EU referendum and be critical in determining the mood of the country,

:37:21.:37:24.

is that suddenly he finds that forecasts are a bit weaker partly

:37:25.:37:27.

because of Middle East turmoil and partly because manufacturing is

:37:28.:37:30.

showing signs of being in the doll droms, he has the weaker forecasts

:37:31.:37:34.

and they mean there is less money to spend and all of a sudden, he faced

:37:35.:37:39.

with a bill and payments that he has got to make rather than savings he

:37:40.:37:44.

can distribute to the British public. In the last Parliament, he

:37:45.:37:49.

didn't really spend any money. He was committed to spending money if

:37:50.:37:53.

growth forecasts improved and using the cash to pay down the deficit,

:37:54.:37:57.

but he hasn't done that in this Parliament, he is choosing to spend

:37:58.:38:01.

the proceeds of growth. Emily, the EU referendum, an open

:38:02.:38:07.

letter from the Conservative Paul Goodman to the Business Secretary to

:38:08.:38:11.

come out for breaks it. Is this the first of many attempts we will see

:38:12.:38:14.

to out Euro-sceptic Cabinet Ministers? There does seem to be a

:38:15.:38:19.

real divide, isn't there? Between the Cabinet and the backbenchers.

:38:20.:38:24.

There was a poll recently saying two-thirds of Tory backbenchers are

:38:25.:38:29.

for a breaks it. That will change as we come up to the referendum. The

:38:30.:38:33.

kAnt seem to be toeing the line at the moment. Cameron hasn't said he

:38:34.:38:37.

is not against breaks it, but he is likely to do so once he gets his

:38:38.:38:42.

deal possibly next month and only Chris Grayling so far has come out

:38:43.:38:47.

for breaks it. So you can see why the Tory grass-roots are saying to

:38:48.:38:51.

the Cabinet Ministers, please come on, back the party that put you into

:38:52.:38:58.

this position and go for brexit and don't just toe the party line. Will

:38:59.:39:02.

they resist bearing in mind the conditions put down by David

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Cameron? It is seeming like some of them will. There are two things that

:39:06.:39:10.

the fore most of Tory MPs minds. They got to work out what side they

:39:11.:39:13.

are with this referendum and there is a leadership election probably

:39:14.:39:16.

not that long afterwards and pick the wrong side and you might not get

:39:17.:39:20.

favourable result when the new leader comes along and reshuffles

:39:21.:39:24.

and you could potentially harm your political future because although

:39:25.:39:27.

Cabinet Ministers are being allowed to campaign on either side of this

:39:28.:39:31.

referendum, they're not being encouraged to do so. It is fair to

:39:32.:39:35.

say that David Cameron and George Osborne are prepared to tolerate a

:39:36.:39:39.

few decenters and they are not keen on it and there is a bit of

:39:40.:39:46.

unofficial pressure. I'm speaking to Tory MPs, some of whom are

:39:47.:39:49.

long-standing opponents of the European Union, who are starting to

:39:50.:39:54.

go, "Maybe I should stay inside and vote in and go for the safe option

:39:55.:39:58.

as David Cameron's renegotiation starts to come together and we get

:39:59.:40:03.

to find out the elements of it." So I think the message is never over

:40:04.:40:07.

estimate the spine of a Tory MP or a Labour MP! There is preferment and

:40:08.:40:12.

promotion potentially ahead if they do the right thing. Right, I will

:40:13.:40:17.

take your advice on that. Sam and Emily, thank you very much.

:40:18.:40:19.

The various in and out groups revving up to campaign,

:40:20.:40:28.

in a referendum that could come as soon as June.

:40:29.:40:31.

Now, add to that list, Conservatives For Reform In Europe,

:40:32.:40:34.

a group that will campaign to stay in, and is led by former

:40:35.:40:37.

In a moment, I'll be talking to Mr Herbert,

:40:38.:40:43.

a veteran of the campaign to keep Britain out of the euro.

:40:44.:40:45.

But, yesterday, Ukip leader Nigel Farage questioned

:40:46.:40:47.

Nick Herbert's eurosceptic credentials.

:40:48.:40:51.

I've never regarded Nick Herbert as a staunch Euro-sceptic.

:40:52.:40:54.

He briefly, in the 1990s, worked for an organisation that

:40:55.:40:56.

campaigned to keep the pound. He was paid to do it.

:40:57.:41:06.

I don't know, lawyers take on briefs, whether they believe

:41:07.:41:10.

When he was a minister and since, he's never once advocated Britain

:41:11.:41:15.

He's doing a job bolstering the Prime Minister.

:41:16.:41:18.

Look, there's been lots of regulation, will Boris Johnson

:41:19.:41:20.

I suspect that most senior politicians inside the Conservative

:41:21.:41:36.

Party will put their careers before their conscience,

:41:37.:41:38.

and will back the Prime Minister's position.

:41:39.:41:40.

I mean you led the national No Campaign against adopting the euro

:41:41.:41:49.

currency, were you ever really a Euro-sceptic? As Nigel Farage

:41:50.:41:53.

questions. I was Euro-sceptic in the sense we were saying it was damaging

:41:54.:41:58.

to join the euro at a time when a lot of the pro-EU people were saying

:41:59.:42:03.

that was the only choice and some of those are saying we should stay in

:42:04.:42:07.

the European Union now. I don't have much time for them or that argument,

:42:08.:42:12.

but our slogan was Europe yes, euro no. I think Nigel, I understand, he

:42:13.:42:17.

was put on-the-spot, looked to me like he was playing the man, but he

:42:18.:42:22.

should be careful before he makes sweeping allegations. He said I'd

:42:23.:42:26.

never advocated since then leaving the EU. I'm sure he didn't read my

:42:27.:42:32.

book Why Vote Conservative last year. In it, I was clear that we

:42:33.:42:37.

need to weigh up the costs and the benefits and if we didn't get

:42:38.:42:40.

sufficient reform in the EU that we should be prepared to leave. I said

:42:41.:42:43.

that. So it was wrong for him to suggest otherwise. I was attacked

:42:44.:42:47.

yesterday from some people saying why is somebody who is a sceptic

:42:48.:42:52.

joining this side of the argument? And others who are pro-European

:42:53.:42:58.

saying this person suddenly appears to be pro-European. Or you're facing

:42:59.:43:04.

both ways, let me put it like that. Are you going to campaign to stay

:43:05.:43:06.

in? We need to Are you going to campaign to stay

:43:07.:43:10.

the Prime Minister is saying that he needs to wait to see the outcome of

:43:11.:43:14.

the renegotiations. We are supporting the Prime Minister's

:43:15.:43:17.

position which is to say there needs to be substantial reform in Europe

:43:18.:43:21.

to address key public concerns over issues like migration and ever

:43:22.:43:25.

closer union provided there is that reform. The Prime Minister said he

:43:26.:43:31.

wants to campaign to stay in, but he made clear that if there is not

:43:32.:43:36.

reform and he said this in his Chatham House speech, he said we

:43:37.:43:39.

will have to reconsider our option and that's certainly my view. Who do

:43:40.:43:44.

you think should set this group up? I have been talking to

:43:45.:43:47.

colleaguesment there are a lot of us who feel there needed to be a voice

:43:48.:43:54.

in this debate and that I have, of course, had discussions with a lot

:43:55.:43:57.

of people about that including the Prime Minister. Did Downing

:43:58.:44:00.

of people about that including the ask you to set up this group? No,

:44:01.:44:04.

they didn't ask me to set up this group. Of course, I talked to the

:44:05.:44:07.

Prime Minister about this. To echo what the Prime Minister is doing? We

:44:08.:44:10.

are supporting the Prime Minister's position. And the Chancellor? Did

:44:11.:44:13.

you speak to the chancellor? I haven't spoken to the chancellor

:44:14.:44:18.

about this. But, you know, there is a group of Conservatives who are

:44:19.:44:24.

very strongly proEU and that's, I think, a completely respectable

:44:25.:44:26.

position and they always have been and there is a group who want to

:44:27.:44:30.

leave the European Union and that's, you know, they are entitled to that

:44:31.:44:33.

view and I respect that view too, but in the body of the party, and I

:44:34.:44:36.

think this is true in the country as well, there are people who think

:44:37.:44:39.

there are things that are really wrong with the European Union. That

:44:40.:44:45.

need to be reformed. They're worried about the drift to ever closer union

:44:46.:44:50.

and they're worried about the competitiveness and they are worried

:44:51.:44:53.

about migration and they want to see those changes and if they do see the

:44:54.:44:56.

changes they will want to stay in. That was the voice we wanted to

:44:57.:44:59.

give. You support the Prime Minister's stance come what may,

:45:00.:45:02.

that's what you said in your opening remarks? We support the Prime

:45:03.:45:09.

Minister's stance to secure a substantial renegotiation in the

:45:10.:45:11.

European Union and it is very important that he does get that. I

:45:12.:45:16.

think just as he has not ruled anything out, nor do we. Have you

:45:17.:45:19.

been promised another ministerial job? Of course, I haven't been

:45:20.:45:23.

promised another ministerial job. Just asking. I was the one who

:45:24.:45:27.

resigned from the Government, for various reasons that we talked about

:45:28.:45:32.

lots of times before. But this... You could become a minister after

:45:33.:45:37.

the referendum? That depends. It is never my decision entirely. It is a

:45:38.:45:40.

question of being asked. That's nothing to do with this. The point

:45:41.:45:44.

is that all of us are going to have to decide because the public are

:45:45.:45:48.

being given a say. A say that lots of people said the Prime Minister

:45:49.:45:52.

would never deliver on and he did and now we've legislated for it and

:45:53.:45:55.

there will be a referendum by the end of next year. So everyone will

:45:56.:45:58.

have to decide as the public will be given that say, but what it means is

:45:59.:46:01.

that Conservative members of Parliament will have to decide and

:46:02.:46:05.

some people very clearly make up their minds on one side or the

:46:06.:46:09.

other, but others like me, feel very strongly that this is a question of

:46:10.:46:12.

weighing up the costs and the benefits and for me, provided that

:46:13.:46:16.

we get reform, we can have the best of both worlds in the European

:46:17.:46:19.

Union. The reformed European Union and there are dangers in leaving,

:46:20.:46:23.

risks in leaving, that I think it is very important that we look at.

:46:24.:46:28.

Do you like the sound of this particular group?

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Nick is a smart guy, I welcome more information. Referendums are not the

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moderate's friend. Anything that can give a rational, saying exposition

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of one side or particular issues is to be welcomed.

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Do you think Eurosceptic cabinet ministers and we know who they are,

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including Michael Gove, Theresa May, should they come out with their

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views? Not yet, no. The negotiations

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haven't finished. The Prime Minister is batting at the crease in Europe.

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The idea we should be undermining him if, and there are some people

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with fundamental views. That is fine. But those people who are in

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the middle and want the Prime Minister to win in Europe and then

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take a view, for me, it is about ever closer union. Brussels seems

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like an imperial capital. If the Prime Minister can pull us out, then

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I start to feel comfortable. I would vote to leave today, if there was a

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vote. If Boris Johnson leads the ad

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campaign, he would add two points. Do you think he will vote to leave?

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I have no idea, you must ask. We would if he would come on.

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He has made some suggestions to the Prime Minister.

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Would he be a good campaigner, heading up...

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He is a formidable campaigner. You all view? I have always been in

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favour. There is an appetite for more information and a proper

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debate. Do you welcome Kate Hoey, her stance

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and group? She has been there for many years.

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Amongst Labour MPs, we are very united. 215 out of 232 on the

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inside. But I do recognise, I visited Brussels with my

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13-year-old, explaining to a new generation why I am so pro-European,

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white our future is better there, is a good thing. I hope we get beyond

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this dancing on a pimp within the Conservative Party, to have some

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good debates. Thank you.

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Now, this afternoon, MPs will debate whether to ban

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Republican presidential candidate, Donald Trump from Britain.

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More than half-a-million people clicked on an online petition,

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after Mr Trump called for Muslims to be banned from the US.

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MPs will also debate an opposing petition which calls for him

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It's not first parliamentary debate of its kind -

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since they were first debated in Parliament,

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hundreds of public petitions have been heard.

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But how could you get your petition discussed by MPs?

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Here's Ellie with her cut-out-and-keep Daily Politics

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Every now and then, the House of Commons has to deal

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with a petition on some subject or another and,

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this time, it is on the rising cost of living.

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It is a strong tradition, the mighty British petition.

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75 Irish civil rights campaigners march from Trafalgar Square

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to Downing Street, to hand in a petition demanding an inquiry

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into the conduct of Londonderry police.

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A chance for ordinary people to stand up and be counted

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for the important things they care about.

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Like being allowed to ride a Segway on the road.

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They may look like slightly aggrieved Lottery winners,

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but these people were petitioning to save the cheque.

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And then, of course, there were a couple

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about Jeremy Clarkson becoming Prime Minister,

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keeping his job at the BBC, that sort of thing.

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Successive governments have acknowledged the power of them.

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Downing Street launched an e-petition site in Novemenber

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2006, and it got beefed up last year.

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Now, if a petition on the government website gets more than 100,000

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signatures, a committee of MPs decides whether to give

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Since 2011, there have been 32 petitions that started here that

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ended up being debated in some way in Westminster.

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This morning, there were well over 5,000 petitions on this site.

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Of course, they have mixed amounts of support.

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The one about Theresa May going on a night shift with a police

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officer, allowing Armed Forces personnel to have a neatly trimmed

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Or making antifreeze less tasty for cats,

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The big one coming up is the one about him being allowed in the UK

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Donald J Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown

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of Muslims entering the United States, until our

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country's representatives can figure out what the hell

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More than 574,000 people signed the petition against Donald Trump

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The MP introducing the debate doesn't agree with him,

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but does think today is a crucial exercise in democracy.

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It is extremely unlikely we'd have a vote.

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But the whole point is we use Parliament, like many other debates

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If there is an impassioned view that comes

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from this debate, that it is in the national interest to ban Trump,

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NEWSREEL: Mrs Hilda Davis is first in the ring

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She aims to get 10,000 signatures on her Hands Off Our Food petition.

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The top five most popular petitions on the Government's

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website have two million signatures between them.

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The idea of petitions isn't a new one, but modern technology

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may have made the voice of the people a little louder.

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We're joined now by the Green Party leader, Natalie Bennett,

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who supports banning Donald Trump from the UK.

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And by Ukip MEP David Coburn, who does not.

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Welcome to both of you, why should he be banned?

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We have seen under the provisions of the Home Secretary to not give a

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visa to someone whose presence is not conducive to the public good,

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about 200 people have been banned, it is reasonable to say Donald Trump

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with the kind of word we have been hearing fits that, he would not be

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in terms of the early day motion signed, this would not be good for

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community cohesion and it is reasonable not to give him a visa.

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He could win nomination for the Republicans and a possibility he

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might become president. We are talking about the situation

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at the moment and his track record. It is unlikely but were it to happen

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he would have two backpedal on some odd things he has said.

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If someone later said they have said the wrong thing, people can change

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their mind. Would it be good for community

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cohesion? What he said was ridiculous. It is

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not based on race, it is a religion, a grouping. Utterly ludicrous.

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Why not ban him? I am a great believer in freedom of speech, we

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are a libertarian party. I would rather defeat the man in the public

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arena in discussion. Like Nick Griffin who was taken apart. They

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kept him off TV for years, and finally he was destroyed on TV.

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He also highlights things now and again which are not entirely being

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ignored by the public. Like what? The problem is generally

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politically, with the Middle East, he is willing to talk about it.

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Other people want to hide it. The thing about Donald Trump is the

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makes Doctor Strangelove seem like a documentary rather than fiction. It

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is terrifying thought he could be president. He makes a lot of money

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in business. But in terms of running the world, that is worrying. But we

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cannot ignore him. Why not take him on in the way David

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was saying, defeat him if you don't agree?

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We are in a different situation to the BNP, which was part of British

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society. This is a question of allowing someone in. We have made

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the decision in 200 previous cases, the guy who built himself as a --

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billed himself as a seduction expert but who was fired against women.

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There is something different. The trunk is in a different

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category? He is not advocating the sort of

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stuff Islamic State are. A wholly different situation. If he

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had been anybody else, you would be screaming about other things.

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I love the way there is a problem as far as I am concerned, this is a

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women's issue. I am not happy about what is happening. You don't scream

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about that. Let us pick up on freedom of speech.

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People are allowed to say what they think.

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The great principle of freedom of speech, 6000 British people have

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signed a petition. 40,000 signed on the other side. MPs

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are debating what the public has told them they are concerned about.

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A small step forward for democracy. With a pond that doesn't represent

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the people. Is this a waste of time?

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I agree with Natalie, the new position system does allow people to

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have some kind of debate and say. There does need to be some kind of

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look at what comes in. But that is a forward step.

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Should he be banned? I don't think so. You should use the

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banning order very sparingly. I will be interested to see what people

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say. Do you agree he does say things that

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need to be discussed on issues like the Middle East?

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A broken clock is right twice a day. He will happen randomly on issues

:56:42.:56:46.

which may be present. The truth is he is a clown. His words were foul

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and detestable and we should acknowledge that.

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He is doing well in the polls. The debate today is a good idea. If

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we can bring home to Americans their decision about who they elect and

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select as candidate has international implications, then we

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should. I don't think we should ban him, if

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he becomes president, but he hasn't made many friends in Scotland where

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he has an awful lot of money invested.

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I disagree with almost everything he says. What he said about the former

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First Minister... Substitute other ethnic minorities

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in his face and what reaction with there have been?

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He is not the only leader talking about Muslims. The Czech president

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has said it is impossible to integrate Muslims into communities,

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post an instance like Cologne. Is that equally offensive?

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There is a problem that has to be discussed, there is a problem

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integrating people with too many people coming. That is the problem

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in Outer Paris, far too many have arrived. They are not being

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integrated into French society which is why we have jihadi is.

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In Scotland, we don't have bad race relations because we don't have too

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many people. I have to stop you...

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There's just time before we go to find out the answer to our quiz.

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The question was: What song does Jeremy Corbyn sing to his cat?

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God Save The Queen, by the Sex Pistols.

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Tie A Yellow Ribbon Round The Old Oak Tree,

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Karin and Kit, what's the correct answer?

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The answer is Tie A Yellow Ribbon Round The Old Oak Tree.

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You have thought about this, well done. Jeremy Corbyn does not have a

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name for the cat. Ours go missing regularly.

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That's all for today. Thanks to our guests.

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The One O'Clock News is starting over on BBC One now.

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I'll be here at noon tomorrow with all the big political stories

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Do join me then. Bye-bye.

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Jo Coburn is joined for the whole programme by Conservative MP Kit Malthouse and Labour MP Karin Smyth to discuss the latest political news from Westminster. Topics include the latest announcement from the prime minister on tackling segregation and journalists Dan Hodges and Owen Jones will assess Jeremy Corbyn's announcements on nuclear weapons, strike laws and terrorism.


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