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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics


David Cameron is back on the road selling his deal


Will he be able to convince sceptical European governments


or the European parliament even to sign up to it?


Labour say 800,000 people have fallen off the electoral register.


Is the government making it too difficult to vote?


Is six hours of retail therapy plenty or should we be able to shop


And is this Europe's most serious faultline?


We visit the border that separates the two halves of Belgium.


On this side we are in a Flemish town, that side is a Walloon town.


All that in the next hour and with us for the first half


of the programme today is the Editor of the Independent,


He's cost the British taxpayer almost ?12 million since taking


refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy to avoid arrest and extradition


to Sweden on rape and sexual assault claims.


Now a UN panel has ruled that the Wikileaks founder,


Julian Assange, has been "arbitrarily detained" and should be


compensated and allowed to walk free.


Mr Assange is about to make an appearance at a press


He is still in the Ecuadorian Embassy in Knightsbridge. Just at


the back of Harrods. If any of you feel like making a visit. That is


previous footage. He has not yet turned up to the press conference


today. He had said that he would leave


the Ecuadorian Embassy and face arrest had the UN panel


ruled against him. I reject the finding


of this working group, Julian Assange is a fugitive


from justice, he is hiding from justice in the


Ecuadorian embassy. He can come out onto the pavement


any time he chooses. But he will have to face justice


in Sweden if he chooses to do so. It is right that he should not be


able to escape justice. This is frankly a ridiculous finding


by the working group The suites have issued a European


Arrest Warrant for Julian Assange for charges of rape and other


charges. Is what -- in what way is the Foreign Secretary roll and the


panel right? No way. Usually when Philip Hammond is required to say


something he seems quite liked but he did quite well. Most people think


this stinks. This is a UN panel working group. Laypeople. Not


lawyers. Some of the courage implied they were international jewellers.


The UN human rights Council is chaired by the Saudis. Well-known


human rights defenders! Julian Assange's priced complexes getting


more and more expensive. It is martyrdom -- --. This is a man who


is wanted for rape. In Sweden. There are judicial system is famous for


being one of the independent ones. He is a fugitive from justice. The


sad thing is it has brought the UN into disrepute which has not had a


good time of late. Julian Assange, everyone who has met him says he has


the integrity of Beelzebub and the charm of a corporate. You are not


doing his PR very well. I would be happy to speak to him, but he is not


taking visitors, which is a shame. The question for today


is all about onions, The French have apparently come up


with a new spelling for onion. Is it: a) oignon b) ognon c)


onion or d) zwiebel? A little later in the show Amol,


who has GCSE French, The Prime Minister's embarked


on another tour of European capitals in an effort to ensure


that his draft deal meets with the approval of all


the other 27 member states. He needs everything go one. -- every


single. Poland has said it supports aspects


of David Cameron's EU renegotiation package but plans to limit benefits


for EU migrants need Because of the number of Polish


workers in this country. Here he is speaking


a little earlier. We want to see a full


strategic partnership That is because of the shared


interests and shared ideals Shared interests in strong defence


and supporting Nato, and standing up to


Russian aggression. Shared interests in terms


of growing our economies and seeing them grow and integrate


more closely together. Shared interests in making sure that


Europe has genuine energy security. And shared interests in making sure


that Europe is a Europe that respects and understands


the importance of nation states and the role that they play,


and proud nation states like Britain and Poland working


together inside Europe. Well, the Prime Minister is racking


up the air miles because he's now Our correspondent Ben Wright


is in the Danish capital Copenhagen. I guess he can look forward to an


easier time in Copan -- Copenhagen than in Warsaw? Yes, Denmark is a


natural ally of the UK when it comes to the EU. It does not have the


euro, it has history of referendum, a semidetached relationship with the


European Union, so David Cameron will have a warm reception. He will


be pleased with how his trip to Warsaw went. A Number 10 spokesman


said there was more to do on the issue of welfare but the leader of


the governing party, an important voice in Poland, has been seeing


after meeting David Cameron that he is very pleased with the deal that


Poland is getting on the issue of benefits, migrant benefits. He does


that think there is a big problem, sounding very supportive. -- does


not think there is a big problem. It sounds as if the potential problem


of Poland is solved. Is David Cameron intending to visit all of


the European capitals, two down and 25 to go, as ugly London does not


count, is he doing a grand tour of Europe? -- presumably London. He has


been doing a tour ahead of this really go she Asian. He has not been


to Copenhagen yet. -- this negotiation. He was going to be here


about a week ago but scrapped that so he did go to Brussels and meet


Jean-Claude Juncker. He has been do a visit to Copenhagen. He has done a


lot of shuttle diplomacy moving around European capitals over the


last few months. It is the first time he has done Copenhagen since he


began the renegotiation. He will get an easy time, a warm reception, but


he is doing a lot of work to make sure that he nails down the details


of this renegotiation and when he sits down with every other EU leader


in a fortnight that they are on board. That is what this process is


about over the next fortnight. Thank you.


We're joined now from Brussels by Guy Verhofstadt.


The former Prime Minister of Belgium, he is now the leader


of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe


In your view, does the European Parliament have a veto over the


Cameron settlement? Not a veto, but one of the main points of the


agreement, of the potential agreement, is a change in what we


call secondary legislation, or that means that Council and Parliament as


to agree on the proposal and that cannot be done in the normal


legislative procedures. All think of work benefits is classic legislation


in which the European Parliament plays a full role. Can you clarify?


Will the parliament vote on the overall settlement or bullet ward


one parts of the settlement that have legislative consequences? It is


the part where it has legislative consequences and that is for later.


Once agreement has been done in European Council the crucial part of


the settlement, this agreement, will be put through the normal


legislative procedure through the European Parliament and it is the


full responsibility of the European Parliament to accept, change, modify


it. The general feeling in the European Parliament is that this


goes through, the whole agreement, because we think that you are better


off with Britain inside the European Union than outside. For obvious


economic and precisely for geopolitical reasons. I understand.


Let me look at the details where the settlement could run into trouble.


The red card arrangement that David Cameron has managed to get into the


settlement so far. 15 European parliaments within 12 weeks could


cause the commission and or the council to think again. Does that


have to go through the European Parliament and do you think they


would vote for that or not? No. It is an internal commitment inside the


European Council. It is the European Council. If you have to decide we


have to decide as European Council and if a number of these majority,


55, of these national parliaments, are against that, we shall stop this


part of the legislation. That is an internal commitment. It has nothing


to do with what is foreseen in the treaty. The treaty there is a


similar procedure that is first seen so it is not so now. It is


duplicating a little bit what is in the treaty. For the Prime Minister


may be the most important part that he has managed to negotiate into the


settlement, in work benefits for migrants coming from the EU to this


country, future migrants would not qualify for a fool in work benefits


straightaway but would be graduated over four years. What with the


Parliament's attitude be? It is impossible to predict because I


cannot see already what is going to be the position of the different


groups. The general feeling in the Parliament is that this has to be


system in the hands of the European Commission other than of one member


state. The proposal on the table sees a system in which it is the


European Commission who is proposing to the other member states. The


second filling in the Parliament is light does not exaggerate. Maybe it


is a problem in Britain but when you see it in general Labour mobility


inside the European Union is so also what we are talking about, it is ten


times lower than the mobility in the United States. One of the


consequences of this is that there are 2 million vacancies in the


European Union. We are broadcasting from a country where net migration


was over 300,000 so labour mobility is not a big issue in Britain. That


could be. When you compare yourself to your counterparts in the US it is


a very low figure. American labour mobility has always been high. 2


million Americans cross state boundaries every year for jobs. That


is not the issue. Is it possible that the European Parliament could


change elements of their settlement after Britain has voted in a


referendum? I can only tell you that there is vote part is on the


classical legislative procedure so that means that, and the council,


and the Parliament, are discussing together, changing, modifying, what


is in this, but we are involved. The negotiations have started this


morning. I am one of the representatives. We are not waiting


until the end of the legislative procedure. What parts of the


settlement would you think of voting against?


In general, what I think we have to do, to take this serious leak, we


are positive towards a reform of the European Union, and we want to


secure and help Mr Cameron -- seriously. We want to help the


public opinion in Great Britain, and that this will become signed in the


treaty. The thing is David Cameron is asking for, the European Union


needs another number of reforms, government for the euro, defence


security, the different crisis we are facing, the refugee crisis,


geopolitical, they are asking and requesting a more integration on the


continent. They will be no treaty change either side of the German or


French elections next J, that is the reality. -- next year. But we can


start to prepare to work on them. If we play it very well, we can do the


situation very well for Britain and for the union. They are asking for


special status, let's give it to them, but let's also secure a


further deepening of the European Union, further integration, to give


us the possibility and the capability to fight against a


different crisis. But will you do that in the knowledge that it is


well-nigh impossible for Britain to be part of the deeper political


integration? That is what we recognise, we recognise the request


of the British government under David Cameron to have a separate


status inside the union and that is what we have tried to do, to bring


together the request of the British population in general, to not be so


involved in European Union integration, and also more European


integration for the other parts of the European Union, for the


Eurozone, it is necessary. We can find each other, Mr Cameron asking


on the one hand for a special treatment, and at the same time Mr


Cameron recognising that the rest of Europe and the Eurozone has two


further go into a deeper integration. It is a win win


settlement, that is what we will try to achieve. We will find out more as


the weeks progress and I hope that we can talk to you so that you can


mark our card as the developments take place. Thanks for joining us.


That was interesting. There have been rumblings at the European


Parliament, that they could cause trouble for this settlement and that


would be a real setback for David Cameron, but I did not detect that


in the interview. I did not detect that, but many of the viewers, said


there is a view in Scunthorpe, worried about immigration. We do


have a viewer in Scunthorpe! This is a Eurocrat who has said Labour


mobility is not a problem, but we know 80% of the population says


immigration is the thing they are most worried about, and so that is a


patronising view, very elitist Brussels view, and that makes people


say, the EU is out of touch, and I'm sure the guest from Ukip will say


that a man like that is out of touch with the British public. OK, we will


stick with Europe. The referendum is a fight between those who want to


stay and those who want to leave? Not quite. One of the campaign


groups has complained about its ongoing struggle with complained


about its ongoing struggle with which is a rival struggle with which


is a rival campaign group, despite wanting the same result -- ongoing


struggle with Vote Leave. And there is also the idea that Labour Leave


have been arguing with Vote Leave. What is happening? Just say you


don't lose the will to live, I will try to cut to the latest in this


very long tail of infighting and Civil War. We have these different


groups campaigning for the outside, and they want to win the official


designation going into the campaign, because they get public money and


they will get TV broadcasts and free mailshots, so that is why there are


these different groups, and now we have Vote Leave and Vote.LeaveEU.


And now Labour Leave has said it has had enough of the infighting going


on at Vote Leave and it will take itself away, cut the ties it has had


with Vote Leave and be an independent organisation, and one of


the co-chairs is the MP Kate Hoey, who said she will not support Vote


Leave any more, in its bid to be the official out campaign voice. They


want to be an independent organisation and work with the


grassroots campaigns. Added to that, we have a letter leaked to the Times


newspaper, written by John Mills, the Labour Party donor, he is deputy


chair of Vote Leave. Writing to two people on the board, who used to be


on the board at Vote Leave, he says they have got to stop the bickering,


and that they have lost the backing of Kate Hoey. If you are still with


me... Only just! LAUGHTER One of the chairs of Vote.LeaveEU,


who has back rolled their campaign, he says those men who used to be on


the board of Vote Leave, Matthew Elliott and Dominic Cummings, they


are no longer on the board, but they are still running the campaign. --


bankrolled. He says they are to the nastiest individuals he has ever met


any but not put them in charge of a shop. -- and he would. Vote Leave


say they are not getting involved in any of this, and they say they have


seen the letter and they wishing well. Very well. I will now go and


lie in a dark room and recover! If you want to win a political campaign


you have got to make it simple and true, but right now the end campaign


have a ambassador in David Cameron who is working very hard, and the


out campaign to not have a clear and simple message and they don't have a


leadership. -- right now the Inn campaign. Yet they are ten points


ahead in the latest poll for new guv, apparently. -- you go.


Is six hours enough time to go shopping on a Sunday?


I can't understand why anyone would want to shop on a Sunday


with so many fine political programmes to watch.


But the government wants local authorities in England and Wales


to have the power to allow shops to open for longer.


Here's the Business Secretary, Sajid Javid, earlier this week.


We will introduce amendments in this bill to allow local authorities


to decide whether to extend hours in their areas.


Central government will not be dictating how to use this power.


The decision will be entirely local, reflecting local preferences,


shopping habits and economic conditions.


If the people of Bromsgrove or Barking say they want to see


longer Sunday opening hours, who are we here in Westminster


Not everyone on the Government's own benches are happy with the idea


Among them Stewart Jackson, who joins us now from his


You are outside the cathedral, I would say. The Conservatives always


boast they are the party of devolution, that they people decide.


-- let the people decide. You must welcome the idea this is a matter


for local councils? I think this is driven by our manifesto commitment


to create 2 million private sector jobs, and that is a laudable aim,


but you only have to look back in history, 20-30 years to see the mess


Margaret Thatcher got into over this issue, she had a huge majority and


lost it. I'm not convinced there's strong economic case that economic


prosperity will follow from the liberalisation of Sunday shopping


hours and there are many people on the Conservative backbenchers who


follow similar views. Why should it not be a matter for local


government, taking into account local feelings and the local demand?


Rather than being determined by MPs. I absolutely agree, and when I spoke


to the Prime Minister earlier in the way, I said to him, I thought the


best way forward to avoid a needless row with backbenchers is to have a


competitive regime where local authorities who are worried about


voids in their retail town centres and out-of-town shopping centres and


also the internet, they can bid to vary their regime for shopping and


then we can look at it in 18 months, and if it has been a success we can


roll it out to all local authorities across the country, and that seems


to be a fair compromise. We are looking at some very serious


concerns from the shop workers unions, faith groups, and also


issues around quality-of-life, but more importantly, convenience stores


might suffer as a result of these changes in legislation. You are


going to vote against the measure, how big will the rebellion be on the


Conservatives side? I can't hear anything. Let me try again.


Certainly people have looked at figures around their tea, I do think


it will be a massive rebellion, it will not be like the EU referendum


rebellion -- figures around 30. It will be a problem for a government


with a small majority and it will depend on the Scottish National


party and what undertakings are made to them to prevent them from voting


against the government this legislation. Since we have got you


here. How has the David Cameron legislation. Since we have got you


settlement and the EU -- on the EU, if we can call it that, how is that


going down on the backbenches and in your constituency? Can you hear me?


We seem to have lost him. Lines are down to Peterborough, there we go.


Here we go. You have another is peace, can you hear me? I have


another BBC gizmo. -- ear piece. peace, can you hear me? I have


was asking, how has the EU settlement, such as it is so far,


how has that gone down with your colleagues on the Tory backbenches


and people in your constituency? There is a sense of palpable


disappointment, we wish the Prime Minister well, people like me have


kept their counsel for several months, because we believe that he


was going to make good on his pledges at the Bloomberg speech in


2013, for a radical renegotiation of our relationship and action


repatriating powers, but what we have seen, unfortunately, does not


stack up -- actually repatriating. Despite the best efforts of the


Prime Minister, the European Union is set on ever closer union and is


fundamentally not something that can be reformed. We heard from the


former trimester Belgian, he seems to be happy with a system where the


core of the European Union, the Eurozone continues with further


integration, but Britain does not need to be involved in this -- the


former Prime Minister of Belgium. That seems to be something the Prime


Minister has emphasised in this settlement. That is all well and


good, but very eminent people have said that without the toes and


treaties in place, the blandishments and agreements made to David Cameron


will effectively in the future, if we vote to remain, will be worthless


vetos -- vetos and treaties. Unless we have treaty change, we can't give


effect to our very serious concerns about the future direction with our


country in the European Union. What about your constituency? The Prime


Minister says you should not listen to your constituency is said Shea


shows on this issue, you have got to make up your own mind. --


constituency associations. You don't know me very well, if that was the


case! It was a question. LAUGHTER I understand what he is saying, this


is a fundamental issue and you should go with your head and your


heart. I will be consulting my constituents, they know where I


stand and have done since I resigned from a government post in 2011 to


campaign for a EU referendum. The Prime Minister's words were


misconstrued, he has a job to do and he will take his position. We have


got to unite again as a party of government after this referendum and


we should keep civilised and moderate in our time. Thanks for


joining us. We thank you for being civilised and moderate in dealing


with the dodgy ear piece. Labour claim that 800,000 people


have disappeared from the electoral register since the government


introduced changes to the way that In the past the head of a household


could register all eligible voters Now voters have to


register individually. And, as Giles reports,


there are also concerns about the obstacles faced


by those with disabilities. Last year's general election


programme as most of us If you are blind, of course,


it was more like this, but apart from not seeing the story


unfold, there's no reason why such a disability should exclude


you from the process. Provided you have registered


to vote, and there is the issue. This is the government's own website


and it boasts that it takes five minutes to register


to vote individually which is what the government


wants us all to do. It points out you need a bit


of data about yourself, you can register by post,


and you can even get It points out, if you are a Crown


servant, a diplomat, for example, or in the Armed Forces,


there are separate forms. What it doesn't mention, anywhere,


is any information you could look up and advise for a friend


who was blind about how Nowhere, nothing,


not a phone number. And that, some people say,


points to a wider problem about how easy it is being made for people


to register to vote. If there was cross-party support


for electronic voting and automatic registration,


it would help a lot more people Personally, I think young disabled


people can find it a turn-off if they can't vote in secret


or if information that they need to educate themselves


about politics is inaccessible. For the record, blind people can


call their local council's election officer and organise


to be registered. But so far many haven't,


meaning their voices are not But are the government turning


a blind eye to a wider problem? The change to individual voting


registration also means that according to Bite The Ballot over


800,000 people seem to have disappeared from the previous


electoral roll, and they are not happy with the government's


explanations. At the moment we are making it


as difficult rather than as easy In other words we are making our


democracy as awkward Yes, he is a former Labour Cabinet


minister, now a lord, There is no doubt that changing


boundaries and removing the number of members of Parliament,


precluding trade unions from funding parties who are fighting


in our democracy, and changing the registration system which has


already resulted in large numbers dropping off, has to be seen


in the context of a government which believes that what is best


for it is best for the nation. We were hoping to speak


to a minister about this afternoon, but at the last minute we were told


no one was available. "Individual electoral registration


is an essential measure We have worked hard with local


authorities for years now to clean up the register -


any entries removed will be people who have moved house,


died or never existed because they It's time now to find out


the answer to our quiz. Coming up in a moment


it's our regular look at what's been For now it's time to say


goodbye to Amol Rajan - So for the next half an hour we're


going to be focussing We'll be looking at how the draft


deal on the UK's EU membership is going down elsewhere in Europe,


the prospect of borders being introduced across


the continent in the wake of the migrant crisis and we'll


focus on the home of so many First, though, here's our guide


to the latest from Europe - The deal has finally been struck


between member states in the European Commission


to fund humanitarian aid The UK will be the second


largest contributor. The European Union and the USA have


agreed new rules to allow companies like Google or Facebook


to process personal data It has rumbled on for years


and privacy groups still In Rome, officials met to review


the fight against so-called Islamic Amid warnings that the group


were threatening Libya. But IS has lost a significant amount


of territory recently. We have had ups and downs,


but more recently more German border police should shoot


at refugees entering the country illegally, according


to the far right AFD party. But their remarks


were roundly condemned. And the European Parliament


will allow diesel cars to emit double the legal emission limit


of nitrogen oxide until 2020. Extra leeway has been given


because actual emissions are four And with us for the next 30 minutes


I've been joined by Labour MEP, Richard Howitt and Ukip


MEP James Carver. Let's talk first about the ?7


billion worth of aid that's been pledged to help Syrian


refugees, ?2.3 billion of it A big chunk coming from Britain as


well. Hundreds of millions have been spent on refugees in the region. The


flow of migrants is still spent on refugees in the region. The


increasing. Why would more money make any difference? It would make


more difference if you are make any difference? It would make


refugee city in a camp and your food ration is $19 a day. -- $19 a month.


Not enough to buy a loaf of bread for a family of seven. I understand


the humanitarian reason but this is a vast sums of money of which


Britain is a big part but it is being sold as money well spent not


just because it will help people to survive but because it will stop the


outflow. There is no evidence that is the case. I partly accept that


but it is a pretty dirty deal of the only reason Britain or Europe would


give money to help with refugees is to stop refugees coming here. What


we have to do first and foremost is manage the


we have to do first and foremost is the war in Syria and I am involved


in a lot of activity. The talks have broken down.


in a lot of activity. The talks have done in London less than half a mile


from here Russian aircraft and Assad ground troops were pummelling the


from here Russian aircraft and Assad biggest city in Syria. Everybody


needs to take a compassionate approach. The National Audit Office


have said so much of the aid has not been


have said so much of the aid has not International Development


have said so much of the aid has not concerns over whether the aid is


reaching where it should be going. We shall keep an eye on it because


the situation is dire for the refugees. We have worked


painstakingly to get Iran and Saudi Arabia to the table. The talks


happened and the alternative is to do nothing and after five years of


civil war... We need to move on. Now, earlier this week the draft


deal aimed at satisfying the UK's David Cameron says there will be


plenty of intense negotiations to follow before a final document


is signed off, but just to get this far has been a hard trek


for the Prime Minister. Setting off on his EU reform journey


before the election, David Cameron said that he wanted


to ban EU migrants from getting The draft proposal suggests only


a graduated access to benefits from initial complete exclusion


and increases over the four year 28 different trial benefits. --


the child lives. 28 different trial benefits. --


Child. The UK can also apply


for an emergency brake on welfare, but it's not completely clear how


that brake is pulled and for how The PM also set himself a milestone


of protection for economies which have not adopted the euro


and on this the draft delivers, prohibiting discrimination


between currencies. Another aim of David Cameron's


expedition was to get Britain out of ever closer union


with the European Union. The draft does recognise that the UK


is not committed to further political integration


into the European Union. And the Prime Minister also called


for sovereignty of national But this looks like set to be


an uphill slog for the PM, with confusion about what his red


card realistically means in terms of giving national parliaments


greater powers to club together The summit may be in sight,


but it is also unclear what powers MEPs might have to reject


the so called emergency brake, limit child benefits and a ban


on so called sham marriages which could leave the


British PM in hot water. We're joined now from Brussels


by the Conservative MEP Are you broadly happy with what the


Prime Minister has achieved? The Prime Minister has set out his clear


agenda and has been and got support from all of the other member states


so far and has the final act to go. Yes, I am happy. He has set his


priorities and got what he aimed for in all four areas and I am being he


can deliver in that final set of negotiations at the middle of this


month. In what way has UK sovereignty been enhanced by the


settlement? There are several things within that. It was very important


we are excluded from the ever closer union is specially as the eurozone


countries decide to get closer in terms of their political and fiscal


union, so for us it was important we were differentiated outside of that


was no intention of joining. We are outside, so that is reinforcing the


status quo. In what way was sovereignty enhanced? No. There was


big issue is resolved in terms of going forward. To make sure we were


well out of that was important. The red card system, a system where if


there is a piece of legislation that does not suit us for whatever reason


and is impacting on our economy we would be able to with others


collectively say that it is not acceptable. That does not enhance


British sovereignty, that involves getting together 15 other


parliaments within a 12 week period and some of these parliaments


rebelling and voting against the stated position of their elected


governments. That is a mechanism, nothing to do with British


sovereignty. In terms of member states having more say over the


legislation a key part of that part of the document is that member


states will have more of the regulation done at national level


and lessen European Michael and that is something the UK and other


European states are calling for, so in terms of sovereignty what can be


done at national level will be done from now on and that is an important


part of that section that seems to have been overlooked over the last


few days. Could this settlement run into trouble in the European


Parliament? We have three representatives. I met with someone


and they have of Labour, and there is a strong will to help Britain


stay in the European Union. This is the message the British electorate


should hear, that our fellow countries, despite the frustrations,


do not want Britain to leave. Francois Hollande, I have sat


internal meetings listening to him, he has said this week he can be part


of the compromise that that shows the will across Europe to support


us. Francois Hollande is not a member of the European Parliament.


Will the European Parliament be so in the British side in this


settlement process? I can tell you how I will be voting. There are


three representatives of the European Parliament from the three


groups, not a representative from my group and two other groups. A very


different approach to the direction in the European Union. If elements


of this deal come before the European Parliament will use vote


against it? I have to. This is further than hashing a debate on


what is conceivable and inconceivable. It is about what is


not in this renegotiation. Supremacy for the British Parliament.


Supremacy of the European Court. The working Time directive. He has not


achieved anything. A manifesto pledge that he put in last year's


general election. That shows how little power we have.


Kay, If this was watered down further, if some of it is taken back


a bit, given that so many of your colleagues in London think it's a


pretty watered-down document, it could not survive further watering


down? I have to restate that, there are people who fully support the


Prime Minister's negotiations and think he has gone after the right


things and think he's doing a very good job. What if they are


watered-down further? This is a negotiation, there are things on the


table at the moment. I know that, so what about if it is watered-down


further? I have faith that the primaries to is going to get his


negotiation at the level he is anticipating and that we will be


able to support him in his actions -- I have faith that the Prime


Minister is going. We have good will and we will be acting upon the


goodwill. Thanks for joining us. Now - is the dream of


a borderless Europe at an end? The arrival of over a million


migrants over the last year has prompted many EU countries -


formerly in the borderless "schengen" area -


to re-erect their borders. Jo Coburn has visited the


Denmark/Sweden border where crossing the famous Orsen bridge


between the two countries has been You might have seen the TV detective


series based on it. Security checks at the last station


in Denmark before crossing This new border control


is disrupting the journeys of thousands of commuters


who used to travel freely Here we have no border for 50 years


and suddenly we get a border People are really shocked


and disappointed because they think they have not expected


that they have to show a passport to


come home from work. The border controls have been


introduced as a result of a new Swedish law to deal


with the unprecedented flow of migrants travelling through


Denmark and into Sweden. This week, Sweden's migration


minister travelled to Copenhagen to meet his Danish counterpart


and justify the new controls. In four months, September,


October, November, December, In the whole year 2015 there arrived


163,000 people to Sweden. It is as if in the UK


there would have There is no doubt the new law has


slowed down the daily commute, but is it also the end


of the line for The Oresund Bridge is so much more


than just an impressive It is a symbol of open borders that


has powered this region There are fears that


vision is fading away. I am optimistic they


will find a better way to manage the ID control


because we cannot live with Checkpoint Charlie


in Copenhagen airport between Denmark and Sweden


so we have to find a way to make it I've arrived in Sweden


and here are the police again, something you would not


have seen six weeks ago. We've stopped just before Malmo


and ID is checked again. Sweden is facing a new political


challenge as attitudes Something that worries the political


editor of the regional We have gone from being


extremely liberal and a very unusual approach for Europe


to approaching almost There was a panic reaction


and it was assumed that nothing we have previously believed


will work for this particular situation and to me that is a lack


of faith in your own policies that makes me worried for


other policies as well. It is not just in Sweden where


the political weather is changing. In Copenhagen the Danish parliament


recently passed a law giving authorities the power


to seize the assets of asylum seekers, a move that has


been widely criticised. in Denmark and your family's stay


in Denmark then you should pay. is a step in the right direction


and we will continue to work for even more tighter rules


on refugee issues and migration to Denmark, for instance


from the Middle East, Shane Den is on life support, it is


search for a solution. Shane Den is on life support, it is


de facto, just not operating -- Shane Den is on life support, it is


Schengen. You are right, there will be a vote in the referendum. There


are intense pressures at the moment, and there are two points about that,


it really makes the point that Britain has opted out of borderless


travel, we have opted out of immigration. At the European level.


It is a fact of life. Are you happy? When Eurosceptics want to make the


debate in Britain about the fact we have open borders, it is not true.


We were right not to go into Schengen? I would like us to manage


We were right not to go into migration in Europe better and to be


part of the EU negotiation scheme. I said, was it a sensible decision not


to have participated in Schengen? Yes, because we are an island nation


and we have given opportunities to defend our borders, and what is


wrong with that? Schengen is in trouble across Europe, of course,


because we have seen unprecedented numbers crossing our borders. This


year we will see big numbers coming from Afghanistan and that will be


the next refugee crisis, so we have got to find ways of dealing with it,


but they must be common ways. The idea that one country can solve this


international crisis is observed for stop -- is absent. Britain outside


the European Union can decide properly what our borders should be


without this free movement. It is the free movement. People have the


right... This is the issue, it goes to free movement of people. He says


because we're not in Schengen we do not have this problem. What is


happening at the bridge where Joe was reporting from, that is the


situation, whether that is Heathrow Airport or Calais will stop we have


the free movement of the workforce, and with the changes coming


regarding the living wage, more people will come, and the average


living wage will be ?9.70 and someone working a 40 hour week will


be earning ?14,000 a year in the UK, and if you work on local figures in


Romania, they will be on something like a quarter of that. It will


remain attractive people to come here, so it is not just about


controlling the border, it is about having the ability to decide who


comes to live in the United Kingdom. The weakness of Schengen, it was


always going to be as strong as the weakest external border. And since


the borders of southern Italy and Greece have proved to be very weak


indeed it was inevitable that Schengen could not survive. After


the Paris attacks, reports in the Wall Street Journal that morning


that the leader of the attack on Paris said he slept in Armonk EU


refugees from Syria -- said he slipped in Armonk. -- amongst. Yes,


there was not the check on the database, the terrorist database,


and we are going to press for that to happen, but for everyone


watching, we need robust checks at our borders, but to people that want


to go on holiday to Spain and send their kids on a school exchange to


Germany, and somebody who gets a job in Italy, they will not have to go


down to an embassy in London, get a Visa and possibly be refused, your


party leader says he would like to go back to the 1950s, which is what


you used to have to do. We have international agreements, that is


ridiculous. This is about a situation where we have... You want


free movement? I want a British government which can decide policy


without interference. I have got to stop you there. 20.


Of all the nations in the European Union the Belgians


are perhaps most comfortable with their EU membership.


Belgium the home to many EU institutions of course


But as Adam Fleming discovered the country itself is really


The author Brigitte Raskin lives on the fault line that


On this side we are in a Flemish town.


This side, the street is called one thing in Flemish,


on the other side, it is called something else in French.


Here you have, we are in the Flemish community,


and that is the French speaking community.


This is the Flemish region, and that is Wallonia.


The Flanders side of the street is also richer, better educated


and has lower unemployment than the Wallonian side.


Brigitte has written a book about the dispute which has complex


historical origins, but very modern consequences.


One day there was a man on a cycle who had an accident.


His cycle was on the Flemish side and the man was on the Walloon side.


In Brussels they are bilingual, and did I mention, in the east,


there is a community which speaks German?


It means an alphabet soup of multiple levels of government.


Which I discovered at the Royal Palace.


The king was hosting a New Year's reception for all of them.


If you are into Belgian politics, which I have become in the last few


On the reception line, the Prime Minister who runs


the federal government which looks after the big stuff,


along with the minister president of Flanders, his equivalent


from Wallonia, and separate leaders representing the French,


Dutch and German language communities,


which all have their own parliaments, as well.


The boss of the Brussels capital region was in there, as well.


Although I'm not sure how many of the city's 19 mayors


Even the local journalists need a list.


Critics say that the spate of terrorist attacks allegedly


planned in Belgium recently is a result of a weak


Others, like Mark from the New Flemish Alliance,


Do you think in 10 years Belgium will still exist as a country?


I'm a strong believer in the fact that powers will shift.


More and more powers will go to the regional level.


Other powers, where there is an added value to work together,


will be on a larger scale, but this larger scale


will not be Belgium, because it is too small.


At least you can guarantee some national unity this summer,


soon it is Euro 2016 and Belgium's football team is the best


Do you get a sense of evaporation when you are in Brussels? Yes,


Brussels is the third part, it relies entirely on public funding,


they have the institutions and Nato. Whether it is Belgium or island,


Europe has been a unifying force which has been able to overcome


division -- Ireland. OK, that is it.


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