24/02/2016 Daily Politics


24/02/2016

Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn present live coverage of Prime Minister's Questions. They are joined by minister of state for skills Nick Boles and Labour MP Gisela Stuart.


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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.

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the Prime Minister has done with the EU could be ripped up

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Downing Street says it's irreversible -

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Jeremy Hunt has claimed that there are 6,000 excess deaths

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because the NHS in England doesn't have a proper seven-day service.

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But did the Health Secretary use unpublished data to make the claim?

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It's 15 years since foot and mouth caused chaos in the countryside -

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but have we learned the lessons to cope with a similar crisis today?

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The fresh faces of Parliament's new boys and girls -

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but how hard have they worked since they were elected in May?

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All that in the next 90 minutes and, of course,

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Prime Minister's Questions at midday.

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Public service broadcasting at its finest! PMQs will be live and

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uninterrupted. MPs have been around for quite a while but have lost none

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of their youthful enthusiasm. the Business

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and Enterprise Minister Nick Boles - he's on the Prime Minister's side

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and will be campaigning to remain And we have Labour's Gisela Stewart,

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who is one of the small number of Labour MPs who will be

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campaigning to leave. Much more on the EU debate later

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but first, do 6,000 people really lose their lives every year

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because the NHS in England doesn't That's the claim the Health

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Secretary Jeremy Hunt made last summer to explain why

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it was so important to introduce a new contract for junior

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doctors in England - here he is on the Today

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Programme last July. When you turn medicine into a Monday

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to Friday profession, you end up with catastrophic

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consequences for patients and in 2003 the then government

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changed the contract to give consultants the right to say,

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we are not going to do any The result is that now

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if you are admitted on Sunday, you are 15% more likely to die than

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if you are admitted on Wednesday. We have about 6000 avoidable

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deaths every year. That is something that doctors

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passionately want to change. Now, though, the BBC has seen

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e-mails which suggest that Mr Hunt used unpublished data to make that

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claim of excess death rates The BBC's Health Editor, Hugh Pym,

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has the story and joins us now What is the essence of this row?

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Well, it is a bit of Whitehall farce. Quite serious in its own way

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because of the use of statistics. Jeremy Hunt the Health Secretary

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used the figure of 6000 access deaths happening among patients who

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were admitted at the in England. Deaths within 30 days of admission.

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This sort of figure has become central to the whole dispute with

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junior doctors. Consultants are in talks with the government at the

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moment and they are not happy to hear the clip and they take issue

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with the suggestion they don't work at weekends because they say they

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do. That 6000 figure was used in a speech last July and on the Today

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programme, but when journalists got in touch they could not back up the

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figure. E-mails we have obtained under Freedom of information

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requests show a lot of toing and froing in the insuring weeks. One

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e-mail saying, we will have to give a bland statement to neither confirm

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nor contradict what the secretary was saying. There was a link but out

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suggesting this came from a study in was saying. There was a link but out

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2012 and the statistics authority also got involved to ask the

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Department of Health to also got involved to ask the

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figure. Jeremy Hunt's people say also got involved to ask the

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that he got the figure directly also got involved to ask the

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the head of NHS England's also got involved to ask the

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Department Bruce Keogh and it was confirmed by NHS England but it was

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not really based at the time on any published data. There was a study

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published in September showing 11,000 excess deaths from Friday to

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Monday, so it is a confused picture. A lot of toing and froing to find

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out where the figures came from. The figures in the end came out and

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increased if you take the figures from that particular study. Wasn't

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there also a problem in that the author of the study hadn't actually

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there also a problem in that the linked those deaths between Friday

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and Monday to most baffling levels? That's correct, the study was put

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out by academics to look at mortality data and came up with the

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11,000 excess deaths between Friday and Monday, add missions within 30

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days of admission, but they did not link it to any

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days of admission, but they did not staffing might not have something to

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do with it, but it might. Other studies have suggested it did have

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something to do with staffing but it has become a central issue in the

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junior doctors dispute. These has become a central issue in the

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studies have been questioned a lot has become a central issue in the

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but the people who wrote this from Birmingham in September are adamant

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that they published it without any influence and it is what it is. How

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that they published it without any announced? Well, this

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that they published it without any noting our story and saying that it

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raises noting our story and saying that it

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government use of statistics in the row. Obviously a lot of distrust on

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both sides, the Department of Health is adamant that the figures used by

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the Secretary of State have been passed on by senior officials at NHS

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England and they were totally robust. Yes, the sides seem as far

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apart as ever with no sign of further talks, the first of the

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348-hour strikes set to begin further talks, the first of the

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weeks today, at the moment it looks like it will go ahead. Thank you

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very much. We're joined now from Central Lobby

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by the Shadow Health Minister, What do you make of this? The

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Secretary of State has been caught manipulating the figures but he

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Secretary of State has been caught then used that as a way to

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Secretary of State has been caught junior doctors, imposing a contract

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on them, and they are the very staff who do work seven days a week and on

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whom we depend so much. This is a real concerning story because

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whom we depend so much. This is a you are talking about people's

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lives, and the impact a policy change has you have to do it on

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lives, and the impact a policy basis of robust research which has

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been peer-reviewed and he clearly just took the figure up without any

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of that taking place. He is then using it to attack British doctors

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and the NHS. It is dreadful behaviour. And for patients of

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course it is raising concerns, but not in a sensible way, in a very

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political way, attacking hugely important groups of staff in the

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NHS. It certainly looks like Jeremy Hunt used these figures from a study

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which had not yet been published. It was unfinished. But he hasn't

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manipulated the figures, they stand, and in fact they are worse if you

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take the figures from that study, initially he said 6000 excess deaths

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but it was 11,000. He plugged it out of the air, didn't he, and then used

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it as a way to attack doctors in the NHS? That is unacceptable. That is a

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slightly different point. On the issue of mortality rates at the

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weekend, what is clear from the story that we have just seen is that

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we don't actually know the exact reasons. We know that in the past

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patients who are more ill are often admitted at the weekend because if

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you are less ill be NHS prefer to meet you during the week and you

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need to get to the bottom of that. Before you go in for a major policy

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change and start using it to attack junior doctors. Let's get your

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reaction, we spoke about the figures but perhaps what would most offend

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people is the idea that the figures were used as Philip Hunt has said,

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to attack junior doctors when there was no proven link between that and

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as he put it the staffing levels at weekends? No one is attacking junior

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doctors, they do a vital job and work incredibly hard. Their current

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contract sees many of their working too many hours, dangerously long

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hours and we are trying to change that. The most important thing is

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what you said, the final report said it was actually the weekend effect,

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as it's known, 11,000 deaths, not 6000. The 6000 figure that the

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Secretary of State got was from the NHS medical director. Before it was

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published and finished? Politicians should not apologise for taking

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advice from experts employed to advise them on what's going on. It

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was not verified? If you talk to the statistics authority they say it

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should be openly and equally shared publicly and he did not do that. He

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used the figure in a report which had not yet been finished and then,

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used it to actually play out in this dispute with junior doctors, saying

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it is because we don't have a seven-day NHS and the report did not

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say that. There have been 15 studies showing higher mortality rates at

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the weekend of which this is the latest. The British public will be

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interested in the final result, published in September last year,

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actually 11,000 deaths are extra deaths that come at the weekend, and

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they won't be critical of the Health Secretary who firstly is responding

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to a clear manifesto commitment, this is not a new story, we had a

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commitment to a seven days a week NHS. Because of this series of 15

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studies showing weekend effects that meant that services people were

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getting were causing... Was it right to say was because of low staffing

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levels? You have to ask, what is different at the weekend? There

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could be lots of other factors. You have to ask what is different and

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the key thing is that staffing levels at all levels, not just

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junior doctors as you yourself pointed out, at the consultant level

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too, are different. Lots of people going at weekends because they are

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doing more dangerous things at weekends? Rather than the more

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routine ones in the week. Nothing to do with staffing? Bruce Keogh has

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long felt that staffing is a contributor to unnecessary

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additional deaths at the weekend. I think it is our responsibility as a

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government to ensure that whenever you get ill, whenever you go to

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hospital you receive the best care. That is what we are trying to do.

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Philip Hunt, thank you for listening, you want an

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investigation, shut the head of NHS England Bruce Keogh should resign?

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No, he is a man of great ethics. I respect him. The person who should

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consider his position should be the Secretary of State for not waiting

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for verified research. The risk at the moment, apart from what this is

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doing to junior doctors is that because the NHS is financially

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distressed, the way in which they will deal with seven-day working is

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that they will have to transfer staff from the weekday to the

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weekend and if this is an issue of staffing, the risk is that mortality

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rates could go up during the week, in order to compensate for what is

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happening at the weekend. The policy is so ill thought out, it is so

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politically driven. And it is using figures in an inappropriate way, and

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the Secretary of State really needs to consider his position and what he

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really needs to do to start with is to apologise to junior doctors, get

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around the table and stop threatening to impose this contract

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on them. What is your reaction? Ultimately we are here to serve the

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British public who rely on the NHS and they clearly voted for a

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manifesto policy to create a seven days a week NHS and it requires a

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more even level of staffing patterns, not just for junior

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doctors, but for nurses and consultants and that is what we will

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do. There is no reason to apologise to anyone for seeking to do that. If

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it is the case and it is so transparent, why was it so hard to

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get these figures? Internal e-mails about what studies have been

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published when is something that freedom of information requests...

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There hasn't been a cover-up by NHS England? Report was published in

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September 2015, showing 11,000 excess deaths, not the 6000 that was

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the tentative figure that Bruce Keogh and buys to the Secretary of

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State about. Will Labour be supporting the next three strikes?

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We want to see the juniors getting back to work and we want to do that

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through a settlement. Yes, but will you be supporting the strikes? John

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McDonnell said he was always committed to them. I am always wary

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of industrial action because of impacts on patients but equally on

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the government side, they have to start talking to the juniors again

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and have to take away the threat of imposing the contract, there is two

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weeks to go before the next industrial action will take place,

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that is time for the government to sort this out and sit down again

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with the juniors. It doesn't sound like you will be advocating Labour

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to support the strikes from your position? I never want to see

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industry at action in the health service but I do want to see the

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government trying to sort this out. We are at great risk here, these

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junior doctors are really committed people and we are at great risk of

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losing their commitment and many of them to the NHS. For goodness sake,

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let's try to sort it out in the two weeks we have got. Will you be

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supporting the strike and should Labour support them? Philip is right

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that the patients have to come first and the responsibility is to make

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sure the hospitals keep going. We support the junior doctors in

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pushing for a settlement and this has undermined their trust in the

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government that they serve. Now, his wife says he hates

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house plants and quiche. We've also learned today why

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the Justice Secretary and confirmed 'outer' Michael Gove is not so keen

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on the deal his friend, David Cameron, has done

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on our EU membership - telling the BBC it could be struck

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down in the European Courts. Downing Street are insisting

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the that changes the Prime Minister has negotiated are "irreversible" -

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but it's the latest in a series of questions that have surfaced

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about the deal the PM brought back The PM returned from Brussels last

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weekend, saying that the UK's new status within the EU would offer

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the country "the best The deal includes restrictions

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on EU migrants' benefits, an opt-out from the concept

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of "ever closer union" and more financial protection

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for the City of London. But it's unclear whether

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restrictions to benefits will dissuade EU migrants

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from coming to the UK and help the Conservatives

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meet their manifesto pledge to bring migration down to

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the tens of thousands. The PM insisted the deal gives

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Britain "special status" in the EU. But there are question marks over

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whether the deal could be overturned And today the Justice Secretary said

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the terms of the agreement could be challenged in the European

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Court of Justice. What David Cameron has got

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is an agreement amongst It's an international

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law declaration. I don't for a moment discount

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that but, ultimately, it is a matter of

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the European Union law and British law that only treaties

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have effect and that because these agreements that have been reached

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are not yet treaty changes, the European Court of Justice

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could take a different view. Downing Street says that the

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European court and justice has to take these changes into account

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because it is an agreement. We understand that. But taking

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something into account is not the same as being bound by it. The

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European court could rule against some of these changes if it was

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asked to do so. I think if you look at what the Cambridge professor of

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EU law, who I think is called Dashwood, said, it is very clear. He

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said it is absolutely Begovic binding in the same way as other

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agreements that affected Denmark and, I believe, the Netherlands.

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It's going to be registered with the UN. What was interesting when I read

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what he said, he said it has the same status as the treaty. That is a

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treaty between the 20 member states so in the eyes of the UN it has the

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same status. But it isn't an EU treaty until it has been through the

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treaty ratification process. But that is to symbolism. You aren't

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going to go to the UN to litigate it there. The issue is that because

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these changes are not part of the treaties - they've been agreed

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outside of the treaties - the fundamental job of the European

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court is to interpret the treaties. That's what's legally binding on the

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take a case to the ECJ saying that take a case to the ECJ saying that

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might want to choose - welfare for migrants also an - are not

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consistent with the treaties, the ECJ could rule against you. With

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consistent with the treaties, the respect, you are not a lawyer, I am

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not a lawyer and Michael Gove is not a lawyer. But I'm paid to ask

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questions and you are paid to answer them but what is the answer? The ECJ

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questions and you are paid to answer could rule against you because of

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the changes not being part of the treaties. The answer is very clearly

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as spelt out by the current attorney general, the previous attorney

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general and the Professor of EU law at Cambridge University, which is

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that these are legally binding agreements between the 28 leaders of

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these nation states, that the European Court of Justice would

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absolutely need to respect those agreements and follow those

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agreements and, indeed, previous at agreement stop Bob let me finish.

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Previous such agreements with exactly the same legal statements...

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Which the European Court of Justice several times. You said something

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very interesting. You said that the European court will be bound by

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these changes. Bound by these changes would you like to reconsider

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that? Let's just think about how judges and courts work. They aren't

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specifically bound by any particular thing. They have to take into

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account all of the laws that prevail... They are bound under

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European law by the treaty changes. They are bound by the content of the

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Treaty of niece, the Treaty of Lisbon, all the other treaty changes

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that have gone through the convention. These changes have not

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gone through treaty change. That is why you have put into the agreement

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that at some stage they bust become part of treaty change. -- they must.

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I put it to you so you can maybe reconsider what you said that until

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they are part of treaties, the European court is not bound to

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follow them. It is only bound to take them into account. I don't

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agree with that and I don't accept that. The job of courts is to

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interpret the law. In the case of the European Court of Justice, it

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interprets the treaties. It isn't bound by the treaties, it interprets

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them. It is the application of the provisions of those treaties to

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specific instances. It is also their job to interpret those treaties in

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the light of other agreements, such as this agreement. This agreement

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will shape their interpretation of the European treaties. Are you

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saying today that the changes the Prime Minister has agreed have equal

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legal status as the contents of the European treaties? I'm not saying

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that, nor did I say that at the first. I am saying that they are

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bound to take them into account in their interpretation of the

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treaties, as they have done before, and that these are legally binding

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agreements which can only be changed through the consensus, which would

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include, therefore, the agreement of the UK government, which, of course,

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we would never give. Gisela Stuart, what is your take? I used to be a

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lawyer and I have negotiated treaties. Ask yourself this question

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- if this agreement was as legally binding as we are given to believe,

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why would the 28 member states ever go through the pain of treaty

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negotiations? They've got to be different, otherwise you wouldn't

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bother about these things. It's very interesting that the Prime Minister

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is using his words very carefully, both to his treaty changes and to

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the effect of ever closer union. Within his own narrow definitions,

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he is right, except that the European Court of Justice doesn't

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work that way. It's not a British common law court. They also have

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within their re-met a juicy to further, deeper integration. It is

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fundamentally a Federalist court. It doesn't have the kind of political

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checks and balances which is courts have got. It's the classic British

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story with Europe. We look at it, only half understand it, tell half

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the story and draw the wrong conclusions. The Prime Minister who

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promised us fundamental treaty changes, because he knew that unless

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it is a treaty change it will only be taken into consideration, now

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realises he can't get it. You mentioned Denmark. 80 times now the

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Danish provisions have been overruled. That was my point to you

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and you denied that. The agreement that the Danes thought they had, in

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the end to the European court of overruled them - I don't know the

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exact figure - but it turned out not to be as cast-iron as the Danes

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thought. You only have to read the Danish media to find that out. But I

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don't quite understand what you're driving at. What we have here is we

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have the maximum legally powerful agreement that 28 member states can

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achieve... Without changing the treaties. And within that maximally

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vis-a-vis powerful statement, there is very high up a provision that

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treaty changes will be made to incorporate the effect. But we know

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there will be no treaty change. You mentioned Professor Dashwood. The

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legal adviser to the European institutions said it will not be

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binding. Our last judge to the court actually said that until it is a

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treaty, we cannot even promised that it will be binding. Yes, they can

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take note but the prime minister gives the impression that this

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cannot be changed. The European Court of Justice is not the only

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actor in the European firmament. It is the ultimate arbiter. We have the

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20 governments, we have the European commission and we have the president

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of the European Parliament, who have all agreed to the provisions. They

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are all junior to the rulings of the European court. But the European

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court has to take into account the agreements they reach. Let me

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broaden this out a bit. I want to put something up on the screen.

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You'll like this. I'm trying to educate! Here is what you said on

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October 20 14. This is about immigration.

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Is there anything in this agreement that would produce more control over

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immigration? Clearly, we are bound by the freedom of movement and so in

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my constituency there are lots of people... Is there anything in this

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agreement that will allow more control? I will answer this question

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in my way if you give me a bit of time. In my constituency there are

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lots of people who come here under the freedom of movement and the

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freedom of movement means that any European citizen can come here to

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work, to take a job, just as I went to Germany and also got a job. What

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is clear from this agreement is that those who were attracted to coming

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to the UK by the prospect that their incomes will be topped up by in work

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benefits, or by child benefit that they can send back home to their

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home country that would be paid at UK levels, those attractions are now

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going to be substantially removed... How many people do you think that

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will affect? I don't know because it is a dynamic position. You said you

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don't know so let me ask you a question... There are several

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thousand people receiving tens of thousands of pounds in additional

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income from benefits. It would be strange to me if that wasn't

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impacting their decision. Except that at the same time with the other

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hand, your government by the end of this decade will have introduced the

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most generous national minimum wage in the European Union. That will be

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just as big a pull factor for people to come as the marginal negative

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push factors that you are talking about. That is just the blunt truth,

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isn't a? So you were right - you still have no control over

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immigration. We have an influence on it through restricting access to

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British in work benefits. But it is marginal. Well, you can say it is

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marginal. No, the OBR has said it is marginal, the president of the

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European Parliament has said it is marginal, economists have said it is

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marginal. I will give you the final word. If me and economist of

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repeatedly said it won't be marginal. We will see what happens.

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What I know that my constituents don't want to see is people getting

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something for nothing, people who have not paid into our system

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receiving benefits. They have much less of a problem with people who

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are working hard and getting a salary. We will probably becoming

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back to this after PMQs. You will get more of a chance. We need to

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move on. Now, forget the

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Eurovision Song Contest. The musical battle could

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to be about to hot up The "remain" side have

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yet to release a song - as far as we know -

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but here's how a supporter of the Grassroots Out campaign

:27:55.:27:56.

is hoping to inspire voters, In the interests of balance,

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if someone wants to produce a "remain" theme song we'll

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be happy to play it. I hope it's different. Have you got

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one up your sleeve? And if you're worried that there's

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a danger the arguments over our EU membership might be being dumbed

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down, we have a contest right here on the Daily Politics to really

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excite your cerebral cortex. That is just under your arm. That

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can only mean one thing, a chance to hold this.

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We'll remind you how to enter in a moment but first,

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What are you going to do when we run out of old money?

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Blimey, I don't know what I shall do.

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It is coming up to midday. We are running a little let. Big Ben is

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behind me. It has gone midday so not only are we vote, Prime Minister's

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Questions is late. Laura Coombs burgers here. I have a feeling Mr

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Corbyn may not go on Europe. I have a feeling he may not. He may talk

:31:12.:31:16.

about health today. I'm very sad that I missed the debate about the

:31:17.:31:23.

niceties... As Will Michael Gove's entire interview be up on the

:31:24.:31:28.

website later today. Just look at some thing else slightly different.

:31:29.:31:33.

For Jeremy Corbyn's team, fascinatingly, I think some of them

:31:34.:31:36.

are rather pleased that all of this is giving them some breathing space

:31:37.:31:39.

to carry on with what they want to do, which is not to focus on Europe

:31:40.:31:42.

but focus on what they are trying to do in the party. Let's go to the

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House to find out. Here is Prime Minister's Questions.

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The family and friends of the victim.

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The house will be aware of the dreadful accident at Didcot

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power Station, one died and three are

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missing and the whole House will want to send

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The family and friends of the victim.

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And emergency services dealt with the incident with typical

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professionalism. The Health and Safety Executive will find out what

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led to the tragedy. This morning I had meetings with ministerial

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colleagues and others and I shall have further such meetings later

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today. I would like to associate myself and the people of Wiltshire

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with the Prime Minister's sentiments about Didcot. Wiltshire has

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successfully integrated a number of Syrian refugees including babies and

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children that would have otherwise frozen or starved to death in the

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camps. There has been delays in introducing more to the area. Can

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the Prime Minister say what more he can do and can he look into it and

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also outline what can we do to fulfil our moral duty to these

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desperate people? Let me first pay tribute to Wiltshire Council and

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many councils up and down the country who have done lives in job

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in integrating taking in Syrian refugees and their families, finding

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them homes and schools and I hope in time jobs too. If you look at what

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has happened across Europe in terms of the resettlement programme,

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actually Britain has done far better than any other country in terms of

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this sort of resettlement programme, we said 1000 by Christmas and we

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have delivered 1000 by Christmas. First of all I will make sure she

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can meet with the Home Office to talk about how we can make sure this

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system works well, we will continue to invest in the Syrian refugee

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camps, not least with the $11 billion we raised that the landmark

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London conference, and we will continue to do what we can to

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deliver 20,000 Syrian refugees we said we would take into our country.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. I want to echo the Prime Minister's tribute to

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all of the emergency services in dealing with the major incident in

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Didcot. Our thoughts are with the families of the person who died and

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those of the families who are missing and injured and we should

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always make

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Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn with all the latest from Westminster including live coverage of Prime Minister's Questions. Andrew and Jo are joined by minister of state for skills Nick Boles and Labour MP Gisela Stuart for the whole programme. They discuss the EU referendum and government plans for a seven-day NHS.


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