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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics. | :00:38. | :00:44. | |
The EU and Turkey have agreed terms of a wide-ranging deal designed to | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
stem the flow of migrants into Europe. | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
The Turkish government has said it will take back all illegal migrants | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
arriving on the Greek islands, as long as the EU accepts | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
an equivalent number of Syrians from camps in Turkey. | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
The EU Commission President, says it's real game-changer. | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
Women who campaign to leave the European Union | :01:05. | :01:06. | |
So says Employment Minister, Priti Patel, who wants out. | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
She says she's fighting for her "democratic freedom". | :01:12. | :01:18. | |
As MPs prepare to debate International Women's Day, | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
we'll be asking should we be celebrating it at all. | :01:23. | :01:24. | |
And, we'll be talking to the comeback kid, | :01:25. | :01:26. | |
The former Conservative MP has topped the candidates list for local | :01:27. | :01:31. | |
All that in the next hour and with us for the duration, | :01:32. | :01:44. | |
President of the polling company, YouGov, Peter Kellner. | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
Now let's talk first about the migrant crisis. | :01:47. | :01:52. | |
The EU and Turkey say they have agreed the broad principles | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
of a plan to ease the current crisis. | :01:56. | :01:57. | |
But while yesterday's summit in Brussels was hailed | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
as a "breakthrough" by European Council President Donald Tusk, | :02:00. | :02:02. | |
The EU has been trying to strike a deal with Turkey whereby | :02:03. | :02:09. | |
the country will prevent more people from the war-torn Middle East | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
Turkey is already sheltering more than 2.7 million refugees, | :02:13. | :02:21. | |
most of them from the civil war in neighbouring Syria. | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
However, each day another 2,000 refugees - mostly from Syria, | :02:26. | :02:32. | |
Iraq and Afghanistan - cross the Aegean sea into Europe. | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
Under the plan agreed yesterday, all irregular migrants arriving | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
in Greece from Turkey would be returned, at the EU's cost. | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
For any Syrian returned, Turkey wants the EU to accept | :02:43. | :02:45. | |
a recognised Syrian refugee from one of its camps. | :02:46. | :02:54. | |
Migrants who are intercepted and who aren't from Syria won't be | :02:55. | :02:57. | |
Turkey also wants its citizens to be granted visa-free travel in Europe | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
sooner rather than later - by the summer of this year | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
Turkey is also said to have requested another 3 billion euros | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
of EU aid to cope with the refugee crisis, | :03:11. | :03:12. | |
on top of the 3 billion euros already pledged. | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
Finally, Turkey wants to advance its bid to become | :03:16. | :03:18. | |
The plan is not yet binding, and there will likely be further | :03:19. | :03:31. | |
discussions at another EU meeting next week. | :03:32. | :03:33. | |
While the European Council President Donald Tusk | :03:34. | :03:34. | |
was optimistic, some EU leaders have already voiced their opposition | :03:35. | :03:37. | |
We can speak to our Europe correspondent in Brussels. Who is | :03:38. | :03:47. | |
voicing their concerns about the steel? What we have heard today is | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
particularly coming from the United Nations, and its refugee agency. | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
There have been concerns raised about the legality of this plan. | :03:59. | :04:05. | |
Already yesterday as the details of what the EU and Turkey were | :04:06. | :04:08. | |
discussing were leaking out, there were voices starting to be raised | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
about this idea of taking all the arrivals in Greece and returning | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
them immediately back to Turkey, and then having this one for one plan, | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
where 41 refugee returned to Turkey, one refugee would be taken from a | :04:26. | :04:31. | |
camp in Turkey and shifted to the EU and have their asylum claims | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
processed and accepted and taken to the EU. Now, the problem with this, | :04:36. | :04:42. | |
the UN is saying, is a legal one. Under international law, mass | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
returns of groups of people from one country are not allowed. Refugees | :04:49. | :04:56. | |
under international human rights conventions, to which the EU and | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
European countries are parties, or are signatories and follow, states | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
that individuals who arrive somewhere seeking international | :05:08. | :05:11. | |
protection can only be returned if their claim will be heard when they | :05:12. | :05:17. | |
return to that third country. If it is clear that they will still have a | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
hearing. Last night the EU leaders were talking about those being | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
returned going to the back of the queue. It sounds complicated and | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
begs the question that before the ink dries on this deal that has been | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
described as a breakthrough by Donald Tusk, is it actually going to | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
work in practice? There are two big questions. The first one, prior to | :05:39. | :05:45. | |
that, is probably slightly premature to call this a deal actually. We | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
should probably say that this is a proposal on the table, an idea. The | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
EU countries were not able to agree yesterday said the first big | :05:56. | :05:58. | |
challenge is, will they all signed up to this? We know countries like | :05:59. | :06:06. | |
Hungary don't want to accept people, refugees shifted directly from | :06:07. | :06:09. | |
Turkey into the EU. They have threatened to veto that part of it. | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
Potentially they can put up roadblocks, and so can other | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
countries, to the idea of granting Turkey major concessions in terms of | :06:19. | :06:26. | |
free travel to the EU. If it goes through, would it work? We are | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
already hearing refugees saying they would not be put off because they | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
are so keen to reach Europe, and their situation they are leaving | :06:37. | :06:39. | |
behind in Syria is so bad. Thank you. | :06:40. | :06:41. | |
I'm joined now by the foreign affairs analyst Tim Marshall, | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
and the Conservative MP Heidi Allen, who visited the island of Lesbos - | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
on the frontline of the migrant crisis - | :06:48. | :06:49. | |
Is this really a breakthrough deal? Not yet. Mr Tusk was full of | :06:50. | :06:58. | |
hyperbole yesterday. He said that the days of irregular travel to | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
Europe are over. Quite a statement to make. They are not. There will be | :07:02. | :07:07. | |
another 2500 people coming today anyway. The practicalities of the | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
deal, theoretically it looks good, 141 is a great idea. But the | :07:13. | :07:18. | |
practicalities of sorting out who is Syrian and who isn't, which country | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
they come out of and which country they go to, and the biggest thing, | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
Libya has not been mentioned and that is getting worse. What happens | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
if you go across to Italy? Because the agreement is going from Greece | :07:31. | :07:37. | |
back to Turkey. But the biggest problem is the one for one. I was | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
asked to be on this programme last week and I said Angela Merkel had | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
nothing but Plan A. And this is just Plan A with finesse. Plan is that | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
each European country will take a proportion of these refugees. Well, | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
they won't, so who is going to take them? That quota system has a ready | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
been rejected by leaders like David Cameron. Do you think that is what | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
is necessary to make anything work in terms of solving this crisis? | :08:08. | :08:13. | |
There has to be an element of that. I agree that it sounds great in | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
principle but it is getting people to sign up and agree. I think to be | :08:17. | :08:21. | |
fair to European leaders, so far I suspect they have been rabbit in the | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
headlights, and this may focus their minds and at least are talking. But | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
it will come to an end point where this is about numbers. You think in | :08:31. | :08:37. | |
the" as will be necessary. We'll EU leaders -- will be EU leaders sign | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
up to take a proportion? If they cannot come to a sensible decision | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
between themselves it may well come to that. These are free travel for | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
75 million Turks, is that Aaron acceptable price to pay for their | :08:51. | :08:57. | |
cooperation? I am not an expert on Turkey, I don't know. Do we need to | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
do a deal and find things that work for each party. It sounds like this | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
quid pro quo is necessary in desperate times but it is quite a | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
big price to pay. Turkey, rightly or wrongly, has extracted quite a big | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
price. They are in the driving seat, and they have doubled the amount of | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
money they have asked for. If the deal goes through, there are a bunch | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
of problems we can come up with. Some of which we have a ready said, | :09:25. | :09:32. | |
but here are another two. For visa-free travel for all 75 million | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
Turks starting in June, Cyprus, an EU member, has to agree. The price | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
for Cyprus agreeing that Turks can travel in the EU free are, you | :09:44. | :09:46. | |
recognise the Greek Cypriot government in Cyprus. That's | :09:47. | :09:52. | |
probably not going to happen. So that's one reason the deal may not | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
happen. The other thing I would say, at the moment, and this is looking | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
at it very unpleasantly, you are making huge profits out of these | :10:03. | :10:05. | |
jackets that don't work at the moment. People are dying, you don't | :10:06. | :10:12. | |
care, you are making money. There is a huge market and they simply don't | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
work. Dive out of that, no pun intended, and get into paperwork. | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
Because the paperwork, if you've got 75 million Turks, every single one | :10:23. | :10:29. | |
of these refugees will try to get Turkish papers, and some will get | :10:30. | :10:31. | |
forged papers and they will keep coming. The unintended consequences | :10:32. | :10:37. | |
do seem to be never-ending. I'd like to hear about your experiences in | :10:38. | :10:40. | |
Lesbos talking about these life jackets, what did you see? Foolishly | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
there was me when I saw branded with Yamaha or something on the back, I | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
thought at least that was a proper one. But they print them with known | :10:50. | :10:58. | |
brands. They are knock-offs. These are what are being handed out? Not | :10:59. | :11:04. | |
handed, people pay for these. They simply do not work. What else did | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
you see in Lesbos? To some extent something has to be done because the | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
front line is struggling, to put it mildly. Absolutely, that is what I | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
saw. Greece was desperately under resourced, left on its own. The | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
Greek restaurant is where backing up vans with food, not the humanitarian | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
agencies. If this focuses minds and gets European leaders round the | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
table, it has to be a good start. What do you think about the EU opt | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
out of resettlement of asylum seekers already in Europe? Do you | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
think that is justifiable and sustainable? Probably from a legal | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
point of view and from our desire about how our role in Europe is | :11:48. | :11:50. | |
going forward, yes. At morally, I would question that. Have you made | :11:51. | :11:56. | |
that clear to the government? Yes, I said I think it is a fluid | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
situation, the volumes of people coming are just incredible, and our | :12:02. | :12:04. | |
decision number is has to be fluid as well. In terms of public | :12:05. | :12:10. | |
sentiment, has it changed, has it gone from sympathy because of that | :12:11. | :12:18. | |
very emotive picture, perhaps before a lot of people had sympathy for | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
migrants coming from Syria, has that changed? There has been some change. | :12:23. | :12:29. | |
Basically British people do not want the problem in any way to come to | :12:30. | :12:36. | |
Britain. Of course the practical point is not what our polls show day | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
in, day out, but the impact on the referendum debate. And I think the | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
problem that David Cameron faces as Prime Minister is that if he did not | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
have the referendum hanging over him he'd probably feel he had some | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
flexibility about what to do. The problem is, if he does something | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
which is represented, fairly or unfairly, as being soft on Europe, | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
soft on immigration, that will play into the European referendum | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
campaign. The referendum campaign closes his options in a bit in terms | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
of domestic politics. Looking at it from a geopolitical point of view, | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
looking at Turkey if there is visa-free travel and further | :13:19. | :13:20. | |
discussions about potential membership down the line, Turkey of | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
course it's in a strategic position. On its right hand side is Syria. It | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
is sort of the border through. How could that changed the whole terms | :13:32. | :13:34. | |
of trade of this debate if those things come into play? They have the | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
whip hand, Turkey is the dominant partner in this discussion which is | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
why the EU is bending over backwards to give it what it once so far. But | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
that's Donald Tusk and Angela Merkel bending over backwards. You get down | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
to the 28 leaders of countries, I'm not sure they are going to bend over | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
backwards. So you don't think this deal will hold? We have already | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
named many problems with it holding. Your correspondence pointed out the | :14:01. | :14:06. | |
legal problems, as brought up by UNHCR and others. Turkey is doing an | :14:07. | :14:12. | |
amazing job of taking care of people, albeit under difficult | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
conditions. They've already spent 10 billion of their own money, they are | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
about to get four and a half billion out of the EU. I'm just not sure | :14:20. | :14:25. | |
that the deal will go through next week. If it does go through next | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
week, will it stick? Two final things to say, it is coming too | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
close for Angela Merkel's regional elections on Sunday. And secondly, | :14:34. | :14:41. | |
not the EU accession but the visa talks for the Turks, they are | :14:42. | :14:45. | |
demanding that they talk in June, not October. And in June the Brits | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
have the referendum. And all this plays into the referendum. Thank you | :14:50. | :14:51. | |
both very much. On According to pollsters like Peter | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
here, Jeremy Corbyn is the first new Leader of the Opposition | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
to score negative approval ratings. So the question for today is, | :15:00. | :15:01. | |
which of these future prime ministers scored the highest net | :15:02. | :15:04. | |
approval ratings when At the end of the show, | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
Peter Kellner will give us Now, it may have escaped | :15:08. | :15:22. | |
your notice but today is International Women's Day | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
and to mark it, female campaigners from both sides of the EU debate | :15:27. | :15:29. | |
are setting out their stall. Some people have criticised | :15:30. | :15:32. | |
the campaign so far Thank you very much, | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
it's great to be here in Slough, And if they come through | :15:37. | :15:51. | |
the tunnel, we haven't It is actually an internecine war | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
in the Tory party that is now being played out across | :15:58. | :16:03. | |
a whole continent. The debate has been so much | :16:04. | :16:04. | |
about Conservatives But ultimately it's not about me, | :16:05. | :16:07. | |
it's not about you, any individual, it's | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
about this country. The alternative is a big leap | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
in the dark with all the risks There's no animosity, we're working | :16:18. | :16:20. | |
together, we are one family. I don't think I'll say | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
anything, after that! Alan Johnson lost for words for | :16:25. | :16:35. | |
once! And with me now, the Conservative MP | :16:36. | :16:38. | |
Anne-Marie Trevelyan from Women for Britain and Labour MP | :16:39. | :16:40. | |
Liz Kendall, who's a member of The six cabinet attending ministers | :16:41. | :16:48. | |
who are with you on the Brexit side, two of them are women, so how has | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
this been a male dominated campaign? We've had voices slowly coming into | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
the debate. A lot of them are men because there are more men still in | :16:58. | :17:00. | |
the House of Commons than there are women. Those of us who have got | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
strong views, like myself, put themselves forward into the debate | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
very early on. Does it feel as if women haven't had enough to say in | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
politics about this campaign? I'm very proud that we've got brilliant | :17:16. | :17:19. | |
women like Angela eagle and others making a strong case for Labour but | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
I think the campaign has been to bloke -ish. When you look at that | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
film, all of the leading politicians were men. This is a problem because | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
women are more likely to be undecided about how to vote in the | :17:35. | :17:37. | |
euro referendum and they're unsure whether they are going to vote at | :17:38. | :17:40. | |
all so it's really important that their views are heard. I would say | :17:41. | :17:47. | |
that if you look at the business world, so very male dominated, and | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
the economic case is very important and we need to get more within | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
voices. So it is symptomatic of a wider problem? Well, it's a societal | :17:55. | :18:00. | |
problem that there are still too few women in top leadership positions, | :18:01. | :18:03. | |
whether that's in politics, business or the law. That's why it's so | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
important that an international Women's Day we make the case about | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
why Britain is better for women, what their kids get out of it and | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
why it's a positive message for the future. Priti Patel said today that | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
women in Britain are fighting for the same cause of the suffragettes. | :18:20. | :18:25. | |
She made a comparison between the Democratic reason she's fighting for | :18:26. | :18:27. | |
and what Emmeline Pankhurst was fighting for. Really? I think her | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
point fighting for. Really? I think her | :18:32. | :18:31. | |
where there has been a democratic fighting for. Really? I think her | :18:32. | :18:37. | |
deficit it has often been women who have | :18:38. | :18:52. | |
deficit it has often been women who this referendum. You're shaking your | :18:53. | :18:58. | |
farcical comment to make. The suffragettes fought for equality | :18:59. | :19:07. | |
farcical comment to make. The statutory holidays | :19:08. | :20:09. | |
like Toyota and Rolls-Royce saying, look, | :20:10. | :20:10. | |
like Toyota and Rolls-Royce saying, I've had... This is one | :20:11. | :21:05. | |
like Toyota and Rolls-Royce saying, like? Yes, out is very clear. On the | :21:06. | :22:33. | |
like Toyota and Rolls-Royce saying, resigned. I really | :22:34. | :25:39. | |
person. Did he stepped over the line when he | :25:40. | :26:01. | |
person. Did he stepped over the line understand he said he didn't | :26:02. | :26:55. | |
the menfolk talking about politics. Today there | :26:56. | :30:48. | |
the menfolk talking about politics. Day. Many men have pioneered to help | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
women who are survivors of domestic violence and so on. I think it is | :30:53. | :30:55. | |
just an opportunity to remember our key goals. But how is this they | :30:56. | :31:00. | |
going to really help you achieve goals of equality or defeating | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
domestic violence or equalising the pay gap if it still exists? I think | :31:06. | :31:10. | |
it allows us to focus our work on it. You have the celebration, but | :31:11. | :31:16. | |
also for example I went into a girls school this morning and we had a | :31:17. | :31:21. | |
conversation such as the one you had with the two politicians in here, | :31:22. | :31:27. | |
and they are all firmly in the in can. They seemed to be worried about | :31:28. | :31:32. | |
travelling. They were trained to encapsulate the mood or a feeling | :31:33. | :31:36. | |
about something to do with the out campaign, something negative and | :31:37. | :31:40. | |
match. Let's stay off the EU referendum for a few moments. The | :31:41. | :31:44. | |
pay gap. Are you saying there are no issues left that women to campaign | :31:45. | :31:50. | |
on because life is equal in every way? There is certainly no pay | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
discrimination. There are single cases, of course, but no evidence | :31:55. | :31:56. | |
that women are being discriminated against doing huge extent. In fact | :31:57. | :32:02. | |
women out there and then under the age of about 35. Before they have | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
kids, basically. Then women decide to have children and also to care | :32:08. | :32:15. | |
for them. We are led to believe this is a terrible thing, women taking | :32:16. | :32:18. | |
time out of their careers to raise their children, care for them and if | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
then the care they need. Well, do you think that is terrible? Over a | :32:23. | :32:30. | |
52 year lifetime of working women are ?300,000 worse off, that is the | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
evidence by a well respected consultancy. I think what matters, a | :32:35. | :32:42. | |
lot of women don't have a choice, maybe they are a single-parent | :32:43. | :32:45. | |
household, they have to pay their rent, pay their bills, and they have | :32:46. | :32:50. | |
to work. So this idea that there is choice, certainly in an expensive | :32:51. | :32:53. | |
city with housing at the cost it is in London, many women don't have | :32:54. | :32:57. | |
that choice, they go out and find what they can. Pants over a life | :32:58. | :33:05. | |
span. I use saying women choose to invest -- that is over a life span, | :33:06. | :33:08. | |
I use saying women choose to earn less? A recent report said that | :33:09. | :33:15. | |
middle-class women would work less than they currently do and look | :33:16. | :33:19. | |
after their children if they were able to. What about women who do not | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
have the choice, those who need to go out to work? They are supported, | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
there is a very big welfare state and most childcare is covered in the | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
tax credit system. But just in terms of when men get older and do earn | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
more money, that money is being spent on women. The money that men | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
are earning is being spent on their families. Only in the West would | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
that be seen as a bad thing. We should celebrate the fact men are | :33:48. | :33:52. | |
providing for their families. As the token men in this discussion. Not | :33:53. | :33:56. | |
token, but DS. Let me make two points. The first is | :33:57. | :34:04. | |
token, but DS. Let me make two children, they still do not do as | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
well, not as many get to the top in different areas, profession, | :34:10. | :34:11. | |
business or whatever. That's not the evidence I've read. Let Peter | :34:12. | :34:19. | |
finish. And my second point is, I think we need to make a cultural | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
shift that as women become mothers, come back to paid work a few years | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
later, why don't we, instead of saying it is a career break, why | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
don't we say these are people who become immensely skilled at | :34:34. | :34:35. | |
multitasking, time management, conflict resolution, being able to | :34:36. | :34:41. | |
work flat out when dog tired, and I think we should be making those | :34:42. | :34:47. | |
four, five, six years part of a positive aspect of your CV. And | :34:48. | :34:52. | |
women coming back into the workforce, especially when they want | :34:53. | :34:55. | |
to go far in their careers, are given more opportunity to do so | :34:56. | :34:58. | |
because of their writs periods of mother had. On that note we have to | :34:59. | :35:02. | |
end it. Now, one of the defining moments | :35:03. | :35:04. | |
of the 1997 general election was the sight of Neil Hamilton | :35:05. | :35:06. | |
losing his parliamentary seat. Since then the former Conservative | :35:07. | :35:10. | |
MP has kept himself busy appearing on chat shows and in pantomimes, | :35:11. | :35:12. | |
but in May he will stand for a seat So is the start of Neil Hamilton's | :35:13. | :35:16. | |
political comeback? So, congratulations in topping the | :35:17. | :35:38. | |
Ukip Welsh candidate list. Have you received congratulations from Nigel | :35:39. | :35:41. | |
Farage? He is in Strasbourg at the moment, he has been out of contact. | :35:42. | :35:45. | |
He is said to be furious. You would have to do ask him. The newspaper | :35:46. | :35:51. | |
reports were that he was incandescent with rage. You read it | :35:52. | :35:56. | |
in the tabloids so it must be true. I'm not sure it was a tabloid | :35:57. | :36:03. | |
actually. The Times is a tabloid now. Are you really saying he will | :36:04. | :36:07. | |
be pleased? I don't think this is a vitally important question in the | :36:08. | :36:10. | |
grand scheme of things and I will not get involved in Tinseltown. | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
Quite you must be disappointed if that is the case? I am delighted I | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
am the choice of the Ukip members in Wales. Whatever the views of Nigel | :36:21. | :36:24. | |
Farage, you did not have a vote in this election process but the | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
ordinary Ukip members did. I am delighted to say they have chosen me | :36:29. | :36:31. | |
to be the top candidate in my region of mid and West Wales. Are you going | :36:32. | :36:36. | |
to meet up with him soon? I meet with him regularly and I don't know | :36:37. | :36:42. | |
when our next meeting will be. We have a meeting at least once a month | :36:43. | :36:45. | |
through our national executive and I'm looking forward to meeting him | :36:46. | :36:49. | |
again. It has also been reported, prominent party members in Wales | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
have complained that you were foisted on them, is there any truth | :36:54. | :36:58. | |
in that? I have been foisted upon them by themselves, then. Because I | :36:59. | :37:02. | |
am the top candidate in my region as the result of a ballot of all | :37:03. | :37:07. | |
members in Wales. So there is no question of being foisted, | :37:08. | :37:10. | |
parachuted or any other pejorative words which some people have applied | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
to me and other candidates. These complaints normally come from people | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
who are disappointed themselves. Do you think it is wise to come back | :37:20. | :37:24. | |
into politics? Why would you want to do it? I'm not doing it for myself, | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
I'm doing it for my country, that's why I went into politics in the | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
first place. I have strong beliefs. One thing which has been a thread | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
through my life since 1967 when I joined the anti-Common market league | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
is opposition to what we now know as the EU. What I want to do more than | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
anything else in the world is to free our country from the tentacles | :37:46. | :37:51. | |
of Russell 's and restore responsible democratic government in | :37:52. | :37:57. | |
Britain -- tentacles of Brussels. Will you be working in Wales? I will | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
be working in Cardiff at least three days a week through the assembly | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
meeting, and having a constituency which covers 80% of the landmass of | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
Wales I will have to make some tough decisions about to base myself. In | :38:10. | :38:14. | |
the first instance I will be looking for somewhere in Cardiff where I can | :38:15. | :38:18. | |
base myself during the working week. And then my constituency will go | :38:19. | :38:21. | |
from the Menai Straits in the north to Saint Davids head in the south, | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
so I am probably better off getting a mobile home in that case. Thank | :38:27. | :38:27. | |
you. Now our guest of the day, | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
Peter Kellner has made the odd buck or two from finding out, | :38:32. | :38:34. | |
or at least attempting to, He's not always right of course, | :38:35. | :38:37. | |
and pollsters in general have come So do you know an online poll | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
from a phone poll? What's the point of them, | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
and why are there so many These pollsters are talking | :38:46. | :38:48. | |
to people like you. Do you intend to vote | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
Labour, Liberal Democrat, Conservative or for | :38:53. | :38:54. | |
another candidate? Politicians and journalists | :38:55. | :38:57. | |
are often obsessed with political They shouldn't be, and the public | :38:58. | :38:59. | |
aren't, but they remain part of the fabric of politics, | :39:00. | :39:05. | |
despite being a fraction The general philosophy | :39:06. | :39:08. | |
of polling is a Thoroughly mixed, it shouldn't be | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
necessary to sample the whole bowl to know exactly what it's | :39:13. | :39:21. | |
like or made of, but you've got to take a decent spoonful | :39:22. | :39:25. | |
and the ballpark figure for most pollsters is between | :39:26. | :39:27. | |
1000 and 2000 people. For many years, polling | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
involved doing this - door-to-door, face-to-face | :39:32. | :39:38. | |
conversations. People randomly sourced, visited and | :39:39. | :39:40. | |
followed up. Now, one reason why people don't use | :39:41. | :39:41. | |
face-to-face any more is because it's incredibly | :39:42. | :39:51. | |
time-consuming and the fact is that people's opinions | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
can change whilst it takes time These days things are much more | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
rapid and, of course, they are using technology, | :39:59. | :40:01. | |
albeit some of it not that modern. Yes, can I ask you a few questions | :40:02. | :40:04. | |
about telephone polling? We at ComRes use it | :40:05. | :40:19. | |
for all our election work, which is quota sampling, | :40:20. | :40:32. | |
so we know we need the right amount of men, women, different age groups, | :40:33. | :40:36. | |
regions of the country, and we randomly dial numbers | :40:37. | :40:40. | |
until we get those exact numbers, to reflect | :40:41. | :40:42. | |
the population as a whole. There is a new way of doing | :40:43. | :40:44. | |
things - online polling. Now, this is a page | :40:45. | :40:51. | |
from the website of Here is a poll I can | :40:52. | :40:53. | |
take part in right now But that's not quite what we mean | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
because this is self-selecting. I'm not necessarily | :40:58. | :41:03. | |
representative of After all, I'm a guy | :41:04. | :41:04. | |
who's got a rubber duck No, this is what you | :41:05. | :41:08. | |
want to look at, the panels, because they have panels | :41:09. | :41:16. | |
of people that they go to repetitively to find | :41:17. | :41:18. | |
out what they think - between the random selection | :41:19. | :41:21. | |
of using the phone. The biggest obvious | :41:22. | :41:24. | |
issue at the moment is the EU referendum, | :41:25. | :41:27. | |
where telephone polls are showing a large lead for "remain", | :41:28. | :41:30. | |
whereas online polls are showing | :41:31. | :41:31. | |
the race neck and neck. We've conducted an experiment | :41:32. | :41:34. | |
conducting the same question, exactly the same, both online | :41:35. | :41:37. | |
and telephone and have found that same difference, | :41:38. | :41:40. | |
that the telephone poll So we've tried to understand | :41:41. | :41:42. | |
that difference, whether it's about the type | :41:43. | :41:45. | |
of people that we're interviewing, who they are, why they might be | :41:46. | :41:48. | |
answering differently. Therein lies the quirks | :41:49. | :41:51. | |
of polling and pollsters now are not the only | :41:52. | :41:53. | |
kid on the block. If you want to know | :41:54. | :41:56. | |
what's going to happen in an election some weeks, | :41:57. | :42:03. | |
some months, maybe even some years away, I think your best bet | :42:04. | :42:06. | |
is to look at a specific prediction market - and a prediction | :42:07. | :42:09. | |
market where money is involved, that really | :42:10. | :42:11. | |
keeps people honest, so we're talking about | :42:12. | :42:13. | |
betting markets here. They, I still think, | :42:14. | :42:14. | |
are a very, very good guide to what's going | :42:15. | :42:17. | |
to happen in the future. And it's a safe bet us politicos | :42:18. | :42:19. | |
will still be looking at both. And with us from Southampton, | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
Professor Patricik Sturgis, We will be with you in just a | :42:24. | :42:35. | |
moment. Peter, the final YouGov poll had Labour and the Tories pegging | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
before the last election, what was your reaction when you saw the | :42:40. | :42:45. | |
result? Probably not a word I would use on daytime television. All the | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
polls, telephone or online, we all made the same mistake. In that case | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
there was not a methodological difference. As Tom says on the EU at | :42:56. | :43:01. | |
the moment there is. I was not a happy bunny at 10pm election night. | :43:02. | :43:09. | |
The MP for Pudsey who said he would have lost his seat if the | :43:10. | :43:13. | |
predictions have been right, he said if anybody else failed so miserably, | :43:14. | :43:17. | |
they would be sacked or be considering their position. Did you | :43:18. | :43:22. | |
think about it? Knows. Would you have -- should you have done? That | :43:23. | :43:30. | |
is not for us to say. Pollsters got something is wrong in the election. | :43:31. | :43:34. | |
I'm not sure every politician or journalist was perfect with the | :43:35. | :43:37. | |
truth. And since the election people across the polling community have | :43:38. | :43:43. | |
undertaken the very serious business of finding out what went wrong. We | :43:44. | :43:47. | |
have looked into our failings far more than the journalist or | :43:48. | :43:53. | |
political communities have. Patrick, do you think they have listened, has | :43:54. | :43:58. | |
there been this soul-searching Peter is talking about? I think there has. | :43:59. | :44:02. | |
They have already been looking at some new procedures and so on. | :44:03. | :44:08. | |
That's undoubtedly going to go on and I would be expecting them to be | :44:09. | :44:11. | |
looking at the recommendations we make in our report that will be | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
published in about a week. I think it is also worth bearing in mind, | :44:16. | :44:18. | |
we've been focusing on where the polls went wrong, but the polls were | :44:19. | :44:25. | |
also right in a number of respects. They were almost exactly correct in | :44:26. | :44:30. | |
terms of the shares of the smaller parties. And if you go back from not | :44:31. | :44:37. | |
just the days and weeks before the election, over the entire | :44:38. | :44:42. | |
parliament, they told the story of the electoral dynamic, the decline | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
in support for the Lib Dems, the increase for Ukip and so on. These | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
are all things we would not have known without the polls. So I think | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
it is important to keep things in perspective when we are assessing | :44:55. | :44:57. | |
how accurate they were. Of course they did get the key thing wrong | :44:58. | :45:00. | |
which was the difference between Labour and Conservatives and that | :45:01. | :45:05. | |
was where the attention was rightly focused. What about the methodology, | :45:06. | :45:10. | |
though? There are different techniques as demonstrated in the | :45:11. | :45:13. | |
film by Giles. Are some more reliable than others? | :45:14. | :45:19. | |
If you are just talking about the difference between online and phone, | :45:20. | :45:23. | |
it is quite difficult to come to a proper judgment about that. The | :45:24. | :45:28. | |
polls right before the 2015 election, there was no difference in | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
the final polls between phone and online. If you go back a bit further | :45:34. | :45:37. | |
in the campaign and in the parliament, you do see that the | :45:38. | :45:41. | |
phone polls were giving a point or two higher in Conservative support. | :45:42. | :45:46. | |
Now, we don't know if that was accurate or not because we don't | :45:47. | :45:49. | |
have the barometer of the election results. I think it's not | :45:50. | :45:57. | |
unreasonable to assume that given that the polls have historically | :45:58. | :46:01. | |
underestimated the Conservative share that the phone polls were | :46:02. | :46:05. | |
doing perhaps slightly better. But the problem is, we genuinely don't | :46:06. | :46:09. | |
know what the true picture is until we have an election. We haven't got | :46:10. | :46:15. | |
the EU referendum result. We'll come to the EU referendum in a minute. To | :46:16. | :46:19. | |
go back to 2015, was there such a thing as shy Tories or was that just | :46:20. | :46:23. | |
a convenient cover for polling errors? I'm going to ask me to this | :46:24. | :46:32. | |
question. I'm accepting it but I'm putting a slightly different gloss | :46:33. | :46:35. | |
on it. I think there were some people last year, as in 1992, when | :46:36. | :46:40. | |
the polls got it wrong, when John Major remained Prime Minister and | :46:41. | :46:42. | |
the polls said Neil can it would become Prime Minister, I think then, | :46:43. | :46:47. | |
as last year, some people really didn't want the Conservatives to | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
remain in office and when asked by a pollster they'd say, "I don't know | :46:53. | :46:57. | |
the Tories, I'll vote Labour". That was their initial or expressive | :46:58. | :47:00. | |
view. When they came to cast their votes in the ballots, at the polling | :47:01. | :47:06. | |
station, they said, "I'm not sure I want to make that particular the | :47:07. | :47:10. | |
Bovo the edge," because although they did neither Conservatives they | :47:11. | :47:12. | |
didn't trust Labour on Labour's leader. I'm not saying that was the | :47:13. | :47:17. | |
whole explanation. I think it was perhaps a quarter or a third of it | :47:18. | :47:21. | |
but that factor was there. How confident are you about polling | :47:22. | :47:25. | |
leading up to the EU referendum? Ask me on June the 24th. Let me give you | :47:26. | :47:31. | |
a serious answer. There is cleared of his between telephone and online | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
polls. Historically I can of two contests weather has a diverging. In | :47:36. | :47:42. | |
2008 in London, we at YouGov online said Boris Johnson was going to beat | :47:43. | :47:47. | |
Ken Livingstone. All the telephone poles said Ken Livingstone was going | :47:48. | :47:52. | |
to win. Online was right on that occasion, telephone was wrong. In | :47:53. | :47:55. | |
2011, the alternative vote referendum, we all said we were | :47:56. | :48:01. | |
going to vote overwhelmingly to keep the present voting system but the | :48:02. | :48:04. | |
telephone poles were a bit nearer than the online polls. So | :48:05. | :48:12. | |
historically it was a 1-1 draw. Patrick Sturgess in Southampton, | :48:13. | :48:13. | |
thank you very much. And now for something | :48:14. | :48:16. | |
completely different. And now on the Daily Politics, it's | :48:17. | :48:24. | |
Peter Kellner's greatest hits. At number five, speculation about the | :48:25. | :48:28. | |
1987 election and a hung parliament. If there is a hung parliament, the | :48:29. | :48:33. | |
first thing that will happen is that Mrs Thatcher would resign as the | :48:34. | :48:37. | |
Conservative Party leader. In those circumstances, the Conservative | :48:38. | :48:42. | |
Party would be in the position of a menorah TV Labour government. At | :48:43. | :48:47. | |
number four, he predicted the results of the 1990 local elections. | :48:48. | :48:51. | |
Unless the government gets a big swing back in the next four weeks, | :48:52. | :48:54. | |
the Conservatives are going to wake up on the morning of May the 4th and | :48:55. | :49:00. | |
say, crikey, what on earth as it is? I think the Conservatives, Mrs | :49:01. | :49:04. | |
Thatcher in particular, will be needing some good news by July the | :49:05. | :49:08. | |
latest. Six months later, Margaret Thatcher resigned as PM. At number | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
three, on the money with the Scottish referendum... There has | :49:13. | :49:16. | |
been a clear shift today, a small but clear shift, from yes to know | :49:17. | :49:20. | |
and we also think that the no voters in the end were slightly more | :49:21. | :49:23. | |
determined to turn out that the yes voters. At number two, how the polls | :49:24. | :49:28. | |
can be widely wrong. The Conservative win in 1992. I'm not | :49:29. | :49:34. | |
alone, thank goodness, in getting it wrong. The polls were all wrong. And | :49:35. | :49:40. | |
number one, why you should all care about polls. Opinion polls provide | :49:41. | :49:48. | |
the best, most objective source of information about an election | :49:49. | :49:52. | |
campaign which is not controlled by the political parties. Peter was | :49:53. | :50:00. | |
really enjoying that! Yes, our Peter here has been around | :50:01. | :50:01. | |
the Westminster village for rather And at the end of this month | :50:02. | :50:04. | |
he hangs up his YouGov hat. Lets focus on your career, looking | :50:05. | :50:15. | |
back. We're not doing your obituary here! What to consider your greatest | :50:16. | :50:21. | |
pulling Triumph? The biggest triumph, because we were running | :50:22. | :50:24. | |
against other pollsters, was 2008 when we said we were polling and we | :50:25. | :50:32. | |
always had Boris Johnson in the lead and the other polls always had | :50:33. | :50:34. | |
Kennedy still in the lead. Ken Livingstone complained saying, | :50:35. | :50:38. | |
YouGov brings falling into distribute. That campaign somehow | :50:39. | :50:44. | |
went away. Are pollsters competitive? Yes but there is also a | :50:45. | :50:49. | |
degree of camaraderie. When it goes wrong? Not only that. We have our | :50:50. | :50:58. | |
own rules which we have set ourselves for transparency. In | :50:59. | :51:03. | |
Britain more than any other country in the world, anybody can go onto | :51:04. | :51:07. | |
the website of any pollster and get the full tables, the full | :51:08. | :51:10. | |
methodological details, the full question wording is. We are as an | :51:11. | :51:15. | |
industry, and we've come to this together, much more open than | :51:16. | :51:18. | |
anywhere else in the world and I'm proud of that. Will you jealous of | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
John Curtice when he was lauded for his stunningly answer it -- accurate | :51:23. | :51:27. | |
exit poll? I've known John for many years and the exit poll was very | :51:28. | :51:32. | |
good but as we saw there, we got the Scottish referendum right, we got | :51:33. | :51:37. | |
the Labour leadership right and people thought we got out of our | :51:38. | :51:42. | |
minds. At the previous general election, we had the Tory lead in | :51:43. | :51:47. | |
2010 spot on, 2005 was very good 2001 was very good. The euro | :51:48. | :51:52. | |
elections a couple of years ago, we were pretty well spot on. So yes, | :51:53. | :51:56. | |
we've got something is wrong but we've got many more things right | :51:57. | :52:03. | |
than wrong. Let's go back. In 1981 BST people do over 50 present. Did | :52:04. | :52:07. | |
you think they were on the brink of power? I wasn't sure but I was then | :52:08. | :52:12. | |
on the New Statesman and when I saw those poll figures, it was before I | :52:13. | :52:19. | |
was a pollster and I started a thing in the New Statesman of covering all | :52:20. | :52:22. | |
the local election results week after week and most weeks there were | :52:23. | :52:27. | |
four, five, six local by-elections and we found in the summer of 1981 | :52:28. | :52:33. | |
that yes, indeed, where the STV were standing there were getting 40 or 50 | :52:34. | :52:42. | |
present. Our groovy SDP. It didn't last but the Conservatives were in | :52:43. | :52:46. | |
trouble, the Connery was doing badly, Michael foot was leader of | :52:47. | :52:50. | |
the Labour Party. -- the economy was doing badly. Are you going to be a | :52:51. | :52:56. | |
commentator, speak freely, give us your personal opinions on politics? | :52:57. | :53:00. | |
I'm available for the political equivalent of birth, marriage, bar | :53:01. | :53:05. | |
mitzvahs. I'm hoping to come here quite a lot more. You will be | :53:06. | :53:09. | |
speaking freely with your opinions? I'm available. Pollsters are like | :53:10. | :53:15. | |
barristers, prostitutes and taxi drivers. We ply for hire. I will | :53:16. | :53:19. | |
continue to apply for higher after I leave YouGov. Thank you for that | :53:20. | :53:22. | |
interesting image at the end! Courtesy of our friends | :53:23. | :53:24. | |
at the Mirror, we now know who the MPs are that use | :53:25. | :53:27. | |
Twitter the most and least Out of the 650 MPs, | :53:28. | :53:29. | |
the Labour MP for Ilford North, Wes Streeting, | :53:30. | :53:34. | |
is the Commons' most prolific tweeter, having tweeted 68,800 | :53:35. | :53:36. | |
tweets and counting. Tim Farron, the leader | :53:37. | :53:43. | |
of the Liberal Democrats, is the second most prolific tweeter | :53:44. | :53:45. | |
in the House of Commons, with 67,600 posts since he joined | :53:46. | :53:58. | |
the micro-blogging site. Stella Creasy is the Commons' third | :53:59. | :54:00. | |
most prolific tweeter with that amounts to one post every 44 | :54:01. | :54:02. | |
minutes since she joined Jamie Reed comes in at fourth | :54:03. | :54:06. | |
place with 57,600 tweets. Eight of the top ten most prolific | :54:07. | :54:15. | |
tweeters are Labour MPs. The top-tweeting Tory, | :54:16. | :54:19. | |
in tenth place, is Karl McCartney At the other end of the table, | :54:20. | :54:22. | |
Paul Beresford - Tory MP for Mole Valley - | :54:23. | :54:31. | |
has tweeted just once. as well as Demos's social media | :54:32. | :54:37. | |
research director Carl Miller. Please don't ask B to repeat any of | :54:38. | :54:52. | |
those numbers again! Jamie Reed, you have treated 57,600 post-I've | :54:53. | :54:55. | |
distributed at - and counting. Are you addicted? Not at all. It is a | :54:56. | :55:00. | |
really good way to get your message out to people and do what politician | :55:01. | :55:03. | |
should be doing, which is holding a dialogue with as many people as | :55:04. | :55:06. | |
possible. I sometimes wonder why people get so hung up on this phrase | :55:07. | :55:10. | |
addiction. It takes ten seconds to send a tweet and that's it, it goes | :55:11. | :55:14. | |
into the ether and you hear the sound of breaking glass and it is | :55:15. | :55:17. | |
either gone down well or have gone down well. That's the addiction bit, | :55:18. | :55:21. | |
the reaction. How many people have looked at it, retweeted it. I think | :55:22. | :55:27. | |
that's the same with any political message you are trying to get over. | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
When did we see a step change in the Twitter usage? I think it was Barack | :55:33. | :55:36. | |
Obama's election victories in 2008 and 2012. I think politicians around | :55:37. | :55:41. | |
the world knew that social media was the new battle ground and was going | :55:42. | :55:45. | |
to be the new crucial way of fighting for power and was going to | :55:46. | :55:48. | |
be a place they needed to be on and they needed a picture on there and | :55:49. | :55:52. | |
they knew their parents would be there if they weren't. Was it really | :55:53. | :55:55. | |
won by social media in 2015? I don't think so. I think future elections | :55:56. | :56:00. | |
might be because I think parties will start to behave differently but | :56:01. | :56:05. | |
so far, no, I don't think they have as much influence as some people | :56:06. | :56:09. | |
say. We are seeing a vital shift. For young people, social media, | :56:10. | :56:13. | |
according to polls, was the second most important thing they made their | :56:14. | :56:17. | |
decision on who to vote for after the TV debate. As new generations | :56:18. | :56:20. | |
come into the letter it, social media is going to become more | :56:21. | :56:24. | |
important. Eight of the top ten are Labour MPs. Why do you think that | :56:25. | :56:29. | |
is? If I'm being entirely honest, I think it's because Labour MPs are | :56:30. | :56:33. | |
more plugged into modernity and the Conservative MPs are not and I think | :56:34. | :56:36. | |
that's part of the cultural brands of both parties. I think you will | :56:37. | :56:39. | |
find Labour MPs doing more on Twitter, Facebook and blogging and | :56:40. | :56:43. | |
flogging and other initiatives which are coming forward. -- vlogging. In | :56:44. | :56:55. | |
2008, it was not a Twitter election. Why did it work for Obama and not | :56:56. | :56:58. | |
the Labour? I think they used Twitter as a key data gathering | :56:59. | :57:04. | |
device. If you look at the last general election and how many Labour | :57:05. | :57:08. | |
people had their hopes dashed, they believed what they were reading on | :57:09. | :57:11. | |
Twitter. That's the point, it's an echo chamber. In that sense, maybe | :57:12. | :57:17. | |
that was partly why Labour didn't win in the end. I think it's a | :57:18. | :57:23. | |
factor. Do you think it's true that they are more modern, in terms of | :57:24. | :57:27. | |
their usage, Labour MPs, of social media than the Tories? I certainly | :57:28. | :57:31. | |
think there was a distinct difference between the strategy | :57:32. | :57:35. | |
would win the Labour and the Tories. Party activists wanted to use | :57:36. | :57:39. | |
platforms like Twitter to leveraged their numbers. We see targeted | :57:40. | :57:45. | |
messaging to reach people. An important point about platforms like | :57:46. | :57:50. | |
Twitter is you will never hear it would rob from the floating voter. | :57:51. | :57:53. | |
You hear from the excited party faithful. Those are the people who | :57:54. | :57:59. | |
are bothering enough to tweet in the first place. They follow MPs and | :58:00. | :58:06. | |
reply. Do you treat? I'm told I got about 57 followers but I've ever | :58:07. | :58:10. | |
said to tweet in my life. Have you got an account? Are you sure it is | :58:11. | :58:16. | |
you they are following? No, I don't. Should you be for your new career? | :58:17. | :58:23. | |
Possibly. I'll think about that. You can tweet about the programme as | :58:24. | :58:26. | |
much as you like and how wonderful the presenters are! Thank you. | :58:27. | :58:29. | |
There's just time before we go to find out the answer to our quiz. | :58:30. | :58:32. | |
The question was, which of these future prime ministers scored | :58:33. | :58:35. | |
the highest net approval ratings when they were in opposition? | :58:36. | :58:37. | |
So, Peter Kellner, what's the correct answer? | :58:38. | :58:44. | |
I think it was Tony Blair, who was incredible popular before 1997. One | :58:45. | :58:49. | |
of his staff are said to me, my job is to provide the water that only | :58:50. | :58:53. | |
walks on. But you were wrong. Everyone will assume it was Tony | :58:54. | :58:55. | |
Blair but it was Edward Heath. Something for you to ponder! You get | :58:56. | :58:58. | |
it wrong again. Sorry about that. | :58:59. | :59:02. |