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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.

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Another day on the EU referendum campaign trail, another letter

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urging voters to back one side or another.

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Today, we've heard from a group of former White House advisers.

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But this week's also seen some big numbers and big arguments deployed

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by the heavy hitters on each side of the referendum debate.

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We'll be looking at what's fact and what's not.

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This time next week, junior doctors in England will be

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staging the first all-out strike in the history of the NHS.

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Will doctors or the Government pull back?

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From the doctors' strike to the steel crisis to the first

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rise in unemployment since last summer -

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what will Jeremy Corbyn choose to ask David Cameron

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We'll bring you all the action live at midday.

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And the public has spoken - in a story that's gone around

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the world, an online vote decides that the UK's new polar

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research vessel should be called Boaty McBoatface.

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But are ministers preparing to overrule the will of the people?

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Surely not. I like the name. Is it a boat or a ship? A line that

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is where the debate is going to centre.

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All that in the next hour and with us for the whole

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of the programme today, two MPs who would never dismiss

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the views of the general public in so cynical a fashion.

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At least not in an election year, anyway.

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It's the Culture and Digital Economy Minister Ed Vaizey

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and the former Labour minister and Leave campaigner Kate Hoey.

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First today - what else but the EU referendum?

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And it's clearly a week for American interventions in the debate,

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because ahead of President Obama's visit, eight former

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US Treasury Secretaries have written to the Times saying voting to leave

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the European Union on June 23rd would be a "risky bet" for the UK.

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David Cameron says it's an "important letter",

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of "belittling Britain's place in the world".

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You can expect to hear a lot more of this type of thing.

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But away from those day-to-day skirmishes, this week has at last

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seen the big hitters from each side of the debate answer the public's

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demand for facts with some real substance -

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JoCo's been keeping an eye on the field of play.

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Yes, we've seen some star strikers take to the pitch this week.

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Chancellor George Osborne was first, and he kicked off on Monday

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with Treasury forecasts that the UK economy would be 6% poorer by 2030

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a figure the Treasury says equates to ?4,300 per household.

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Leave campaigners were quick to put the boot into that figure,

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They also pointed out that the Treasury forecast assumed

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that net migration over the same 14-year period would reach

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That's 185,000 a year from 2021 - much higher than the Government's

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target of "tens of thousands" For the Leave Campaign,

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Michael Gove went on the attack with his own figure,

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repeating the central claim that the ?350 million spent

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on the European Union each week could be redirected into the NHS.

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But their figures have also been tackled by their opponents,

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who point out that number does not take into account Britain's rebate

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on the membership cost and other grants Brussels spends in the UK,

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And just to remind you that if you're hungry for more facts

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about the debate, you can find out more on

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Andrew, we are glued to them. We are indeed. Ed Vaizey, can we

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start with something, is the Government claiming that if we leave

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the EU, by 2030, each household will be ?4300 worse off? The Government

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is saying that the growth of the UK economy would be lower if we let the

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European Union, lullaby some 6% and that equates to around ?4000 per

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household -- lower by some 6%. If you take it and divided by the

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current household in the UK and I know you have an issue with that,

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and indeed, the BBC Reality Check does, which is a very good thing,

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but... But are you claiming that households will be ?4300 worse off?

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I couldn't be clearer in saying that we save the economy will contract by

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around 6%, around ?36 billion that we will not grow and that equates to

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?4300 per household, it can be loss of income, loss of jobs... You are

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not measuring household income in this equation, you are measuring GDP

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per household. It is clear in the document that Kate has brought with

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her that it is clear to -- equal to ?4300. I have listened to the great

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BBC business editor explaining it using the word... But two things are

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not the same. 27 million households, GDP is 1.8 trillion. If I do the

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same calculation as the Treasury, that gives me a household per GDP,

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the income, of 60 7,000. Average household incomes, which measure

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people's living standards, ?44,000, they are entirely different. There

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are lots of figures that may be confusing the issue. The key point

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is that on any scenario you take our position outside of the European

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Union, Britain will grow less slowly and be poorer. It is not just of the

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Treasury saying that. An independent survey of likely growth scenarios

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for the UK economy shows we will be poorer if we left the European

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Union. Hold on, hold on, I am not going to let you try and talk your

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way out or something. I am going to try! If you wanted to measure

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whether households would be worse or better off, you should use average

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household income and you didn't. Why not? Because we talked about GDP and

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the Treasury is making an estimate across three scenarios. There is

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actually a worst-case scenario. I understand that but why didn't you

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use the proper measure, which is household income? Well, that is your

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assertion. Well can you tell me any other... Hold on. Can you tell me

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other project on the Treasury red paper where they use this metric of

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GDP per household? The LSE independent report came out in March

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which had the same criticism of the BBC Reality Check, which uses... Has

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the Treasury used this before? It said the GDP will contract by X,

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that is per household... What does this relate to? It may well have

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been used in the red book, it may well have been used during Treasury

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analysis in the Scottish referendum or looking at other policies, but

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the point is, it is very clear what that document says, which is why

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Kate has it in front of her. I am trying to work out... Let me ask you

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this question. No, I am asking the questions, I am not letting you

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answer your own questions. I want you to answer this. If you think

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about GDP per household is such an important measure, why did you take

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the projected GDP in 2030 and divided by the number of households

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today, not the number of households projected for 2030. Because we are

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saying it is equivalent to the households today, it is a figure

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that brings it in line. You asked me to look at different surveys and how

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they are calculated, can you point to any survey, any economic

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analysis, independent economic analysis, that says the UK would be

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better off if we let the European Union? My fundamental point is that

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on a range of measures, and the Treasury has taken a mid-range

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measure of a mid-range scenario. If it really wanted to frighten the

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horses, it could have taken the WTO scenario. Can we come back and get

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some clarity on this? If you are trying to measure GDP per household

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in 2030, which, is, as I suggested is a dubious metric in the first

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place, why did you use the number of households now, which is 27 million,

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not the official projection of households of 31 million? That is a

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question you can put the Treasury people who put together but the

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point I am trying to make is that every analysis of our position,

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whether leave the EU, is that it will grow less quickly than if we

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stay. It will cost us, as citizens of the UK, cost us as households.

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But when it gets to the detail, it is quite difficult. Let me ask you

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one final thing. You use the number of households now, 27 million, but

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to get to the GDP for 2030, you assume a huge rise in immigration,

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which must mean there will be a lot more households. Why do you assume

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that you will break your immigration target in every year for the next 15

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years? Well, immigration is one of the key issues that we debate

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constantly, but... So why do you break it? There will be a lot of

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people coming to live in this country and a lot of Brits moving

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out, there are more than a million Britons now living in the European

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Union. But you have an immigration target of 100,000, your Government's

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target is to get net migration down to 100000 and your projections

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assume it rises by at least 150,000, 185,000, every year up to 2030, why?

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We have set ourselves stretching targets but this is an economic

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analysis based on the current scenarios. So you are going to break

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your immigration targets? We haven't succeeded in meeting our immigration

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targets. But by having a tough immigration target, we have reduced

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the amount of net migration and as you know, a lot of people who come

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to this country are students that come to study at our world-class

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universities. That is not the argument, you have included them in

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your 100,000. Kate Hoey, can you name an independent study that says

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we are better off if we leave? Probably not better off. Even one

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that says we will be the same? I think we are discussing this, with

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the greatest respect, in the wrong way. With the greatest respect, I

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think our viewers would like an answer to the question, can you name

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any reputable study that will show us better off or even just the same

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if we leave? I can't produce a study that says that because what I am

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interested in in terms of leaving the EU is the Democratic argument,

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and the argument that we will then control the money we are currently

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bringing in and I don't feel that all of these different economists...

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Look, they can bring out paper after paper and they will all have

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disagreements about the long-term effects. So even if we were worse

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off, you would want to leave? I don't think we will be because all

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of the evidence shows that, as a proud country that is economically

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sound, we would be able to trade with the rest of the world and do

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equally well. I just don't accept the underlying assumptions... Banks

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are a key figure in your side of the campaign. He says that even if the

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Treasury figures right and I think, as we have demonstrated, there is a

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lot of doubt about it, banks says that ?4300 is a price worth paying.

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That is nonsense, I don't know when he said it but... He made a press

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conference for the league campaign. Nobody would think everybody being

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worse off by 2030 is right. Let's look at the reputable bodies. The

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IMF, the IFS, the World Bank, the OECD, the White House, major

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financial institutions, they all think it would be bad for us to

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leave. Can you name any global institution that thinks it would be

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good for us to leave? I'm not sure that any global institution or

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certainly any other country... They are all part of this kind of idea

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that somehow, it is important to them. America wants, for example, us

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to stay in the EU because it suits them. I am interested in what is it

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our interests as a country and I'm not going to change my views that we

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are better off leaving by discussing what another country thinks. So the

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answer is not a single ally that we have, not a single friend of this

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country, not a single global institution, favours us leaving the

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EU? I'm not surprised that that, because the European Union is an

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institution that is fundamentally about supporting and wanting the

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global corporations and the big business to do very well indeed, but

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I can think of one person who was the ex-Prime Minister of Australia

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who very clearly thinks we should leave. Tony Abbott? I am not sure

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that is true. He was coming around to the idea that we should stay.

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This decision and the boats are not by Tony Abbott. You raised Tony

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Abbott? They are not by anybody outside of this country, the British

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people will decide and not just look at the detail of this gobbledygook,

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an econometric model that is not going to be read in my constituency

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or in the housing estates... So your site will not produce an equivalent

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scenario? I doubt very much that we want to. To give us an idea of

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whether we might be better off? It is not just about economics. That is

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what we are talking about because the Treasury report came out.

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I think it is John Howard, the ex-Australian Prime Minister who

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said we should leave. Thank you. One final question. You are not going to

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ask me about gravity modelling Ayew? No, we're not going to look at that.

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Last year, the Treasury, at this time, couldn't even tell us

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accurately what the GDP for 2015 would be. Why would we give any

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credence to what it thinks the GDP for 2030 would be? We live in a free

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country, so you can dismiss that document. I put off watching some

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excellent BBC programmes last night to read through it. Did you read the

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model? It would be important for your viewers, because very few of

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your viewers will have seen this. Look at this gobbledygook. This is

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meant to be a serious document. Just because you don't understand it,

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doesn't make it gobbledygook. Andrew, I know you are one of the

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few people who doesn't understand it. I am not an economist. We are

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not a free country at the moment because our laws can be overruled by

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the Court of Justice and we are subject to majority voting. These

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are the issues that matter. When you talk to people, this might have been

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done by the Treasury and they spent lots of money and it, but this will

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not decide the vote. We will have to leave it there. I think we have got

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as far as we are going to get today, which wasn't very far!

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But there is time. We can come back tomorrow. With another document?

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This time next week, junior doctors in England will be

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staging the first all-out strike in the history of the NHS as part

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of their dispute over a new contract being introduced by the Government.

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Medics will walk out of Accident Emergency,

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intensive care and maternity units for the first time -

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although consultants, nurses and midwives will still be working.

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Well, yesterday, the profession's regulator the General Medical

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Council said that some hospitals may struggle to cope and striking

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may not be the "right option" in some places.

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Let's talk now to Labour's Shadow Health Minister Justin Madders,

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he's in the central lobby of the Houses of Parliament.

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Jeremy Hunt says an all-out strike which withdraws life-saving care

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over a dispute on Saturday pay rates is disproportionate. Do you agree or

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disagree? What Jeremy Hunt has got to do is give straight answers as to

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whether he has the legal power to impose these contracts or not. In

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the Commons on Monday, he was asked five times what is legal powers were

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to impose contracts and he refused to answer. His lawyers are using

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different words to the one he used the Bisley and he spent thousands of

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pounds on another case arguing individual trusts and he is not the

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appropriate employer. He is trying to impose something, which

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apparently he doesn't have the legal power to. It is within his hands to

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end this. Do you agree or disagree, but this all out strike for the

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first time in the history of the NHS is a proportionate response to this

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dispute? Junior doctors don't want to go on strike, they made an offer

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yesterday to get round the negotiating table if he dropped the

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threat of imposition. Given he probably doesn't have the legal

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powers to impose that contract, I don't know what is stopping him

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getting around the table. This name-calling is not doing to reduce

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the temperature or resolve the dispute. Will you be showing

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solidarity and standing on the picket line with junior doctors

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because I'm assuming you think it is a proportionate response? My

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presence wouldn't make any difference, there is nobody other

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than Jeremy Hunt who can bring this to a conclusion. Is that yes no, you

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will be joining them on the picket line? People can make their own

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decisions. I will see what I'm next week. We need to see what the

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government are doing to resolve the situation. Given we know it seems

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unlikely the government can impose the contracts, what have they got to

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lose by getting round the table and talking and stopping the strikes in

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the first place. You backed the strikes, so why wouldn't you be

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joining junior doctors? I am hoping we don't have a strike, I am hoping

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there is time to resolve this. There are six days to go, you should be

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asking the government what they will do to avert the strikes. They have

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sat on their hands for six weeks. I will ask a minister in a minute, but

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a former health minister says an all-out strike would do lasting and

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irreparable harm to the profession. He said maybe junior doctors will

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deeply regret this. Do you think junior doctors should listen to him?

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They have two make-up their own minds. What the damage to the NHS is

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being done by this current health trust. Worst records for A

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attendances. He should be trying to improve the services, rather than

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dividing them. In terms of Labour's position on strike action, Heidi

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Alexander said she didn't want to see any member of the Shadow Cabinet

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on the picket line. But you said individual Labour MPs are making

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their own minds up, John McDonnell was on the picket line. John is a

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supporter of the trade union, so there is no surprise. Does it help

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the Labour Party's position? If there are deaths blamed on the

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strike, that could see public support for junior doctors fall off

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a cliff and that will drag your party in also? It is more important

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what our party is saying. It is critical we try to get a resolution.

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That is why I am saying we need to be putting pressure on the

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government and Jeremy Hunt to show a bit of humility and get background

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the negotiating table. Whether we take an individual position or not

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is not helping to resolve the matter. The pressure has to be put

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on Jeremy Hunt to come up with some concrete proposals to resolve the

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issue. He has done nothing since he announced imposition in February. Ed

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Vaizey, if this all out strike goes ahead, as it will be the first time

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ever in the history of the NHS, do you think Jeremy Hunt of the BMA

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will blink first to prevent it happening? Obviously I hope the

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strike doesn't go ahead. We'll Jeremy Hunt be the one who blinks

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first? His position is a respectable position. We had in our manifesto we

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wanted to introduce seven-day working. There have been lengthy

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negotiations with the BMA. We agreed 90, 90 5% of the contract. In terms

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of what Jeremy is saying, three quarters of junior doctors will see

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their pay increase, no want will see their pay decrease. We have had all

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these negotiations but we are in a position where Jeremy Hunt has not

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been able to resolve this. There is no whether Jeremy to go. It is a

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matter that the junior doctors. I am not sure why they feel the need to

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go for an all-out strike. Can you deny a staffing crisis would be

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worse in the week with more medics shifted to weekends without any

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additional resources. It is clear, if you put more medical resources

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and shift them through the weekend but don't add any extra investment,

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it will struggle in the week and that is why they are on strike. It

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is about reforming the contracts, which Labour have agreed that the

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contracts need reforming, they cannot stay the way they were. It is

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incorporating weekend working, a seven-day NHS. With no extra

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resources. We shouldn't get different care and staff at the

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weekend and you get in the week. No one is going to lose money from this

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contract. Ed Vaizey, you deflect the core question at the centre of this

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dispute. If you have seven days and you shift some of the resources from

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the week to the weekend, then you do not make up the shortfall in

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resources, there will then be uneven share, doctors are not prepared to

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do that. I do not see where this call for extra resources comes from.

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From junior doctors. It is simply a renegotiation of the contract to

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ensure Saturday and Sunday is treated the same as a weekday. It is

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perfectly right. Given the contract was 95% agreed with the BMA, given

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junior doctors are not going to lose money, I genuinely, I genuinely

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cannot see why in all -- an all-out strike is needed. I worked with

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Jeremy Hunt when he was Culture Secretary. I know what he does has

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Health Secretary. We couldn't have anyone more committed with the time

:24:59.:25:01.

he spends in hospitals and talking to people on the front line. Simon

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Stephens, a former Labour adviser now chief of the NHS, has worked in

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the health arena all his working life. We couldn't have two more

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committed people. But it hasn't worked. Are you comfortable with the

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idea that some of your labour colleagues are out on the picket

:25:20.:25:22.

line or supporting the strike in the way they are? I have Saint Thomas 's

:25:23.:25:28.

hospital just across the road and I talked to my doctors and work with

:25:29.:25:32.

them. If they are out on strike and will go and talk to them. The

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problem is now, we have got to a stage where the Prime Minister,

:25:36.:25:38.

instead of floating off round the country doing this EU stuff, he

:25:39.:25:42.

should realise there is a crisis looming next week. He should be

:25:43.:25:47.

getting involved. I think Jeremy Hunt has lost the confidence of

:25:48.:25:50.

people. Whether right or wrong, he has lost the confidence of the trade

:25:51.:25:55.

union and lost the confidence of the ordinary doctors. Therefore the

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Prime Minister needs to step in. He should be stepping in now and

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saying, this isn't working. Not necessarily sacking Jeremy Hunt, but

:26:04.:26:08.

him calling it in, having tea and biscuits or what ever they used to

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do. Sorry Justin, we haven't got time to come back to you.

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It's coming up to midday here, just take a look at Big Ben.

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And that means we're just moments away from Prime

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Lovely spring day year in London. It is cold. Moan, moan, moan. It is

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a beautiful day. And that also means we're joined

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by the BBC's political I am very happy with the weather.

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What do we think Jeremy Corbyn will go on? I think he will go on

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education. Not sure, but a few hints and whispers have reached my ears.

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What is going on right now, on the Tory benches, which is one of the

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reasons he might raise it is nervousness by the government's

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plans to force all schools in England to be academies. Including

:29:43.:29:47.

primary schools. Another controversial part, which lots of

:29:48.:29:50.

conservatives are worried about, including powerful bonuses in local

:29:51.:29:55.

government. If you have a good school that is not a academy, if it

:29:56.:30:01.

isn't broke, why try to fix it. Why put schools through this upheaval

:30:02.:30:05.

and reorganisation? Lots of concerns on the Labour benches, the Shadow

:30:06.:30:10.

Education Secretary has been talking about it. I wouldn't be surprised if

:30:11.:30:14.

Jeremy Corbyn will talk about that. One of the reasons he may do that is

:30:15.:30:19.

there is growing concern of the Conservative back benches. A lot of

:30:20.:30:22.

chatter about a tweak to these plans, if not for U turn. Can they

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do a U-turn, wouldn't that look ridiculous? It's not like they

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haven't done it before. It is one of the patterns we have seen in this

:30:35.:30:37.

government, put forward by the government and then dropped. They

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don't just tweak, it is gone. The government is not listening, would

:30:44.:30:48.

change its mind. The government does a U-turn, the government has changed

:30:49.:30:55.

its mind. Can they introduce some phasing in? It is mainly

:30:56.:31:00.

Conservative MPs concerned about this because smaller primary

:31:01.:31:05.

schools, it is ridiculous. They are probably reasonably happy with their

:31:06.:31:08.

primary schools. Yes, they are working all right. There may be

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Conservative ministers. Let's go over to the Commons.

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Mr Speaker, this morning, I had meetings with ministerial colleagues

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and in addition to my duties today, I shall have further such meetings

:31:29.:31:35.

this morning. -- today. On her 21st birthday in 1947, a young woman

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declared her whole life, whether long or short, would be dedicated to

:31:42.:31:46.

the service of our nation. Nobody, Mr Speaker, could possibly argue

:31:47.:31:50.

that Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II has done anything other than fulfil

:31:51.:31:54.

her promise to the nation with dignity and grace. People across the

:31:55.:32:02.

country will be marking the Queen's 90th birthday tomorrow in many

:32:03.:32:05.

different ways, many honourable and right Honourable members will have

:32:06.:32:11.

joined the WRI in the four the Queen initiative, tidying the

:32:12.:32:15.

neighbourhoods, some will be raising a small glass and many will be

:32:16.:32:20.

having a proper knees up. So when the Prime Minister next has an

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audience with the Queen, will he pass on my best wishes and those...

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And those of the whole house. To our remarkable monitor, and long may she

:32:37.:32:43.

rain. CHEERING.

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I'm very glad my honourable friend has raised this, I will certainly

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pass on his best wishes and best wishes from right across Yorkshire.

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Tomorrow is an important landmark, not only for Her Majesty the Queen

:32:58.:33:00.

but also for the country and Commonwealth as a whole. She has

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served our nation with such dignity, with such ability for so many years,

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64 years on the throne and I think it is right we will have the

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opportunity in the House tomorrow to pay tribute to what she has done and

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I know the whole country and the whole house will want to join me in

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saying, long may she reign over us. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Thank you

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very much, Mr Speaker. I am also looking forward to wishing her a

:33:30.:33:35.

happy birthday tomorrow. But until then, Mr Speaker, until then, could

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the Prime Minister explain why he is intent on forcing good and

:33:44.:33:48.

outstanding schools to become academies against the wishes of

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teachers are parents, school governors and local councils? The

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short answer is because we want schools to be run by head teachers

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and teachers and not by bureaucrats, that is why we support the policy.

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But we also support it because of the clear evidence of academies. If

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you look at converter academies, 88% of them are either good or

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outstanding and you look at schools started by academies, they see a 10%

:34:19.:34:22.

improvement on average over the first two years. The results are

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better, education is improving, I say let's complete the work. Mr

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Speaker, he hasn't managed to convince the former chair of the

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Education Select Committee, his friend the Member for Beverly Ann

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Holderness, who said, "Current evidence does not approve that

:34:41.:34:47.

academies raise standards overall or for disadvantaged children." Why is

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the Prime Minister ignoring evidence of select committee chairs and so

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many others on this issue? The results speak for themselves. Under

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this Government, there are 1.4 million more pupils in good or

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outstanding schools, but let me take him to a school near where he lives.

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Let's try the downhills primary school not far from his

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constituency. It was in special measures, taken over by an academy

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and two years later, it was a good school, so the question I would put

:35:21.:35:24.

to the Leader of the Opposition and indeed so many other MPs opposite,

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why do you want to stand on a picket line under a banner saying "Save our

:35:30.:35:40.

failing schools"? Mr Speaker, as he well knows, every teacher, parent,

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pupil wants the best they can get for their schools and they want a

:35:45.:35:49.

good education system. What many are concerned about is this top-down

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reorganisation. If he won't listen to the former chair of the Education

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Select Committee, will he listened to his friend the Member for

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Colchester, who said this, "If a school is well governed, well-run

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and performing well, it should be left alone and allowed to do its

:36:08.:36:12.

job." Can the Prime Minister explain why good school leaders should focus

:36:13.:36:18.

their time and resources not on educating children but on arbitrary

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changes imposed from above? Let me make two points on the specific

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issue he raises. I would say to outstanding or to good schools, they

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have nothing to fear from becoming academies, but a huge amount to

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gain. The truth is, even about outstanding or good schools, we want

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them to be even better and the truth is academies and greater

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independence, letting headteachers run their schools, has been hugely

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effective and actually, this is something started by the Labour

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Government, given rocket boosters under this Government. We have seen

:36:55.:36:57.

massive improvements in our schools because of academies and we say

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let's get on with it, finished the job and give all of our children are

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great opportunity. Mr Speaker, I'm sure the Prime Minister is aware of

:37:10.:37:12.

the views of people in Oxfordshire on this issue. Councillor Tilly, the

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Conservative Cabinet member for education in his own county, said,

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"I am fed up with the from above", "Saying you will do this and you

:37:30.:37:34.

won't do that." He claims to be an advocate of devolution so is he not

:37:35.:37:38.

concerned about criticisms from the Member for altering the sale West

:37:39.:37:40.

who says there is little accountability or parental

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involvement. Can't the Prime Minister understand the anger so

:37:45.:37:49.

many people feel just being imposed on them, a system they don't want on

:37:50.:37:53.

what of often already very good or outstanding schools? It is always

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good to get a lecture McDevitt lecture on diktats from somebody

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who's press secretary is an avowed Stalinist. The truth is, creating

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academies is true devolution because you are putting the power in the

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hands of the headteachers and the teachers. And of course you will

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find people in local Government who want to keep things exactly as they

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are, but the truth is, one of the reasons I so strongly supported

:38:26.:38:29.

academies is that when they fail, they are intervened on so much

:38:30.:38:34.

faster. Local authority schools are often left to fail, year after year

:38:35.:38:40.

after year. I think one year of a failing school is one year to many,

:38:41.:38:44.

so let's encourage academies, let's build a great education system and

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let's have opportunity for all our children. Mr Speaker, last week, I

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spent a very interesting afternoon at a local school in my

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constituency. I visited Duncan primary school and it is a good to

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outstanding school and I had a long discussion with the headteacher,

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parents, parent - governors and year six pupils. The year six pupils were

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very interesting, asking me to say this to the Prime Minister, "Why are

:39:20.:39:25.

you doing this?" They love their school. They like it the way it is,

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they don't want any top-down reorganisation and he hasn't even

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convinced the former Education Secretary Kenneth Baker, who says I

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don't quite know why the Government is doing this. What is his answer to

:39:39.:39:45.

those very smart pupils in year six? My answer to those pupils in year

:39:46.:39:49.

six is very much the answer that he gave, because I was following his

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tour of the school and this is what the Right Honourable gentleman said.

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"I Want to see a family of schools and I want to see them properly

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funded. " with our reform to the formula, there will be fair funding

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across the country and with our plans for academies, there will be

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genuine families of schools, families that choose to group

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together and here is the point about outstanding schools, not only will

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they be able to get better but in groups of academies, they will be

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able to help others schools to improve, so a game, that is why we

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need this reform, to make outstanding and good schools even

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better and to help raise the aspiration of all. That is what it

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is all about. Mr Speaker, we appear to be heading into some kind of

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fantasyland here. The Institute for fiscal is to -- fiscal studies state

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that school spending is expected to fall by at least 7% in real terms in

:40:55.:40:59.

the next four years. It is the biggest cup since the 1970s. So why

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on earth is the Prime Minister proposing to spend ?1.3 billion on a

:41:05.:41:12.

top-down reorganisation that wasn't in his manifesto, teachers don't

:41:13.:41:15.

want it, parents don't want it, governors don't want it,

:41:16.:41:20.

headteachers don't want it, even his own MPs and councillors don't want

:41:21.:41:25.

it. Can't he just think again and support schools and education, not

:41:26.:41:31.

force this on them? Let me answer his question very directly about

:41:32.:41:35.

spending, because we have protected spending per pupil all the way

:41:36.:41:39.

through the last Parliament and all the way through this Parliament and

:41:40.:41:44.

we are spending ?7 billion on more school places to make up for the

:41:45.:41:48.

woeful lack of action under the last Labour Government. That is the truth

:41:49.:41:53.

on spending. Now, he talks about fantasyland. I think it is the

:41:54.:41:57.

Labour Party that this week entered fantasyland, where they are now

:41:58.:42:00.

abandoning trident in Scotland, they have selected someone who sits on

:42:01.:42:05.

platforms with extremists in London and they have now decided that when

:42:06.:42:10.

I read they were going to ban McDonnell from the Party Conference,

:42:11.:42:14.

I thought it was the first sensible decision they have made, but it

:42:15.:42:18.

turns out it wasn't the job destroyer they wanted to keep away

:42:19.:42:23.

from their conference, it was one of Britain's biggest destroyers. No

:42:24.:42:27.

wonder Labour MPs are in despair. Frankly, I'm loving it.

:42:28.:42:44.

Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can I ask my right honourable friend whether he

:42:45.:42:50.

agrees with the Treasury forecast issued on Monday, which warns that

:42:51.:42:55.

if we stay in the European Union, there will be 3 million more

:42:56.:43:03.

migrants by the year 2030? Last year, my right honourable friend and

:43:04.:43:07.

I were elected on a clear manifesto pledge to reduce net migration to

:43:08.:43:11.

the tens of thousands. How are we going to be able to deliver on that

:43:12.:43:14.

pledge unless we leave the European Union? The point about the Treasury

:43:15.:43:21.

forecast is it takes the Office of National Statistics' figures and the

:43:22.:43:24.

OBR figures and it doesn't alter them, but it is trying to make a

:43:25.:43:29.

very clear and pure argument, backed by the governor of the Bank of

:43:30.:43:32.

England, that shows what would happen if Britain leads the EU.

:43:33.:43:36.

There is a demand out there for independent and clear statistics and

:43:37.:43:39.

that is exactly what the Treasury provided.

:43:40.:43:50.

It is believed that the recent murder of Glasgow shopkeeper Asad

:43:51.:43:53.

Shah was religiously motivated and this week, faith leaders launched a

:43:54.:44:01.

campaign across Scotland entitled United Against Extremism. Will the

:44:02.:44:04.

Prime Minister join me and colleagues of all parties in

:44:05.:44:09.

supporting the aims of this campaign to support and foster understanding

:44:10.:44:14.

and to stand up to extremism? I will certainly join The Right Honourable

:44:15.:44:17.

gentleman. This was an absolutely shocking murder and I think what it

:44:18.:44:21.

demonstrates again and what his question hints that is we need not

:44:22.:44:25.

only to stand up against violence and acts of appalling violence like

:44:26.:44:29.

this, but we also need to stand up against the extremist mindset that

:44:30.:44:33.

sometimes tries to justify events like this or other such outrages.

:44:34.:44:40.

Total agreement with the Prime Minister and the murder of Asad Shah

:44:41.:44:45.

is just the most recent of sectarian extremism targeting the community in

:44:46.:44:52.

the UK. This is reports, dear being refused employment, businesses being

:44:53.:44:58.

boycotted, children being shunned and people working to bring faith

:44:59.:45:01.

leaders together facing death threats. Does the Prime Minister

:45:02.:45:05.

agree this is totally unacceptable in a country where we believe in

:45:06.:45:09.

free speech and religious tolerance and the time has come for all

:45:10.:45:12.

community and all faith leaders of all religions to stand up against

:45:13.:45:14.

extremism? I agree Faith leaders can play a

:45:15.:45:23.

huge role in standing up against extremism, and I welcome what they

:45:24.:45:31.

do. But the attack on Muslims by other Muslims demonstrates once

:45:32.:45:34.

again that what we face is not some clash of civilisations between Islam

:45:35.:45:39.

and Christianity, or Islam and Buddhism. What we are seeing is a

:45:40.:45:46.

small minority in a great religion in our world, is lamb, believing

:45:47.:45:51.

there is only one way, our violence, extremist way of professing their

:45:52.:45:57.

faith. This is a battle in Islam and we have to be on the side of the

:45:58.:46:05.

moderate and help them win it, otherwise we take the wrong path.

:46:06.:46:09.

The future of services provided by Paignton hospital has been thrown

:46:10.:46:13.

into doubt by news that the CCG and local trust are about to launch a

:46:14.:46:17.

consultation which could see it close with no replacement.

:46:18.:46:17.

Does the Prime Minister share my concerns and agree it is vital

:46:18.:46:22.

services are placed and the trust and the CCG are unsupported actions.

:46:23.:46:31.

I understand no decision has been made. These bodies are clinically

:46:32.:46:38.

led and I think it is important. Decisions about what services are

:46:39.:46:42.

required will be taken by that group. If there are significant

:46:43.:46:46.

changes, they have to meet key tests. Support from clinical

:46:47.:46:49.

commissioners, public engagements and clarity on the clinical evidence

:46:50.:46:53.

base and support, all those things have to be satisfied. Mr Speaker,

:46:54.:47:02.

the air in our cities is both toxic and illegal with diesel fumes

:47:03.:47:11.

contributing to 800 deaths a week. 40,000 a year. So why is the Prime

:47:12.:47:17.

Minister, instead of removing the most heavily polluting diesel

:47:18.:47:22.

vehicles from our streets, lobbying the EU in Brussels with the Mayor of

:47:23.:47:26.

London, to weaken plans to improve our air quality and save lives? We

:47:27.:47:34.

are investing in better air quality. Since 2011 we have committed ?2

:47:35.:47:39.

billion to help us operators upgrade their feet. We have seen her quality

:47:40.:47:43.

improved in terms of emissions of nitrous oxide is coming down by 17%.

:47:44.:47:49.

When it comes to these standards we all have to meet, we are working

:47:50.:47:54.

with our car industry. I want a car industry in Britain. I am proud of

:47:55.:47:58.

the fact it has recovered so strongly. In the north-east of

:47:59.:48:02.

England we now make more cars than the whole of Italy. We are going to

:48:03.:48:07.

make sure they have the resources they need to meet the high standards

:48:08.:48:15.

that are set out. It is a truth universally acknowledged, that fish

:48:16.:48:19.

and chips taste test on the beaches of Skegness and that is why 4

:48:20.:48:23.

million people visit every year. Does the Prime Minister agree with

:48:24.:48:28.

me, that we should work with the Environment Agency, the local

:48:29.:48:31.

enterprise partnership, the local councils and builds on the work of

:48:32.:48:36.

this government that has brought jobs and growth, extend the tourist

:48:37.:48:39.

season and build ?1 billion coastal economy by the end of this decade?

:48:40.:48:45.

By honourable friend is right, that is why I announced the 5-point plan

:48:46.:48:49.

for tourism last year, to encourage people to visit UK resorts, both

:48:50.:48:52.

from overseas and British people as well. That is what is happening. In

:48:53.:48:57.

the week where we are supporting fish and chips on this side of the

:48:58.:49:05.

House, they are banning McDonald's. Mr Speaker, more than 2000 people

:49:06.:49:09.

have signed a petition started by Alison's chemist in Cockermouth in

:49:10.:49:15.

my constituency, calling on the government not to cut the funding

:49:16.:49:18.

for community pharmacists. Given the major reports last week from Bootsy

:49:19.:49:23.

face investigation by the regulator, isn't it time the Prime Minister and

:49:24.:49:27.

his government supported independent pharmacies which are vital lifeline

:49:28.:49:31.

for our community and help to keep the high streets alive? We are

:49:32.:49:37.

supporting the pharmacies. There is a specific scheme to help will stop

:49:38.:49:42.

if we look at the massive fire -- last five year there was a massive

:49:43.:49:46.

increase in pharmacy spending and we have to make sure as much of the NHS

:49:47.:49:51.

resources go to the front line, nurses, doctors and the operations

:49:52.:49:55.

and the A we want to see carried out. We have to make sure we are

:49:56.:50:00.

getting value for money in pharmacies but also protecting the

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pharmacies she talks about. Mr Speaker, given his earlier important

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comments, does my right honourable friend agree, it is the duty of all

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members of this House to condemn, without caveat, all extremism and

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never, never to share a platform with any extremist? I think my

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honourable friend is absolutely right. If we are going to condemn,

:50:25.:50:33.

not just by Liz and -- violent extremism, but extremism that

:50:34.:50:36.

justifies violence in anyway, we cannot back these people and appear

:50:37.:50:39.

on platforms with them. I am concerned about Labour's candidate

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as Mayor of London who has appeared again, and again... The leader of

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the Labour Party is saying it is disgraceful. Let me tell him...

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Solomon Ghani, the honourable member for tooting has appeared on a

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platform with him nine times. This man support IS. Mr Speaker, they are

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shouting down this point because they don't want to hear the truth.

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Anyone can make a mistake about who they appear on a platform with. We

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are not always responsible for what our political opponents say. But if

:51:28.:51:30.

you do it time at the time, time after time, it is right to question

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your judgment. Mr Speaker, news overnight of a management and worker

:51:37.:51:45.

buyout at Tata will bring hope the families. It is important UK

:51:46.:51:51.

Government provides all the supporter can. Will the Prime

:51:52.:51:55.

Minister become the company's head of sales and meet with Port Talbot's

:51:56.:52:01.

biggest customers to make sure no orders for Welsh steel are lost? We

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will do everything we can to help this company and help it with its

:52:07.:52:09.

customers during this difficult time. Right now we are talking with

:52:10.:52:15.

the board of Tata to make sure the questions they need answered, are

:52:16.:52:20.

answered by us. We want to have a proper sales process with proper

:52:21.:52:23.

buyers coming forward and we want to be cleared the government is

:52:24.:52:27.

prepared to support that process and support the outcome. That is exactly

:52:28.:52:34.

what we will do. The EU security is only as strong as its weakest

:52:35.:52:38.

border. Does the Prime Minister share my concerns, not only over

:52:39.:52:45.

Angela Merkel's legitimate and -- legitimisation over the Turkish

:52:46.:52:55.

leaders speech. Is he concerned currently Angela Merkel seems to be

:52:56.:53:03.

outstripping everyone in making the case that Brexit. If you are in the

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Schengen zone you are only as strong as your weakest border. But we're

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not in the Schengen zone. The second point, the Schengen zone has decided

:53:14.:53:20.

to offer visas to Turkish nationals. We have not made that decision and

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we will not be making that decision. At Visa is not a right to go and

:53:25.:53:32.

live and work reside. The Visa is a right to visit. So let's be clear

:53:33.:53:36.

also, those Turks with their visas are visiting Schengen countries,

:53:37.:53:38.

don't have those rights and they don't have the right to come to

:53:39.:53:42.

Britain automatically either. Important to get back clear. In the

:53:43.:53:46.

last hour we have had the devastating news that reduce gas

:53:47.:53:52.

proposed to close a site with the loss of 700 jobs. Will the Prime

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Minister in strip his ministers to contact the company and the unions,

:53:58.:54:02.

and arrange urgent meetings, preferably to save these jobs. If

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that proves impossible, to establish a task force to create alternative

:54:06.:54:10.

opportunities for this loyal and hard-working workforce? I can give

:54:11.:54:12.

the honourable gentleman that assurance. I heard is new shortly

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before PMQs. We will make sure a task force of ministers available to

:54:20.:54:24.

talk to the company, the local community to provide assistance in

:54:25.:54:26.

terms of retraining and other things to be done to help. Mr Speaker, Mrs

:54:27.:54:34.

Thatcher used to organise seminars for ministers and senior academics

:54:35.:54:39.

for colleagues like myself whose knowledge of modern science she

:54:40.:54:47.

thought needed to be improved. Would he contemplate similar seminars for

:54:48.:54:50.

some of his senior and very respect did Cabinet colleagues with

:54:51.:54:55.

businessmen, on the nature of international trade in today's

:54:56.:55:01.

world? Because some of their respective figures believe you

:55:02.:55:05.

simply turn up and sell goods and services that comply with British

:55:06.:55:11.

made rules, but don't have to comply with any rules agreed with the

:55:12.:55:15.

country to which you are selling. And would he also include some of

:55:16.:55:21.

the many businessmen who are cutting investment decisions on hold now,

:55:22.:55:28.

because of the uncertainty about Brexit after June the 23rd will stop

:55:29.:55:38.

if we made our whole future trading arrangements with the outside world

:55:39.:55:42.

as uncertain as some people are trying to do. I always listen very

:55:43.:55:48.

careful to my right honourable friend and will consider such

:55:49.:55:53.

seminars. I hope they will never be as frightening as seminars sometimes

:55:54.:55:57.

used to be under Mrs Thatcher. One of the first times I met her, I was

:55:58.:56:03.

responsible for trade and industry research. She asked me what today's

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figures were, I didn't know. I wanted the floor to open up and

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swallow me at that moment. Just because you have friendly relations

:56:14.:56:17.

with the country, doesn't mean you get automatically good trade

:56:18.:56:22.

relations. We are very pleased President Obama is coming on Friday,

:56:23.:56:27.

but it is worth noting, even though we have a friendly relationship with

:56:28.:56:31.

America, we cannot sell beef or lamb to the United States of America. The

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point is, you don't need good relations, you need nailed down

:56:36.:56:44.

trade relations. Mr Speaker, at the budget the Chancellor announced the

:56:45.:56:47.

creation of a northern school strategy, which I broadly welcome.

:56:48.:56:51.

But I am concerned that the progress it could make would be reversed by

:56:52.:56:57.

the government's forced a cad plans. Why is the government pushing these

:56:58.:57:02.

plans, which parents in my constituency don't want and plans,

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which even a former Tory Education Secretary, describes as a plain daft

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and unnecessary? What I said to the honourable gentleman, wake of the

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outcome of this review, which the Chancellor sets up. The point is,

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some schools that have been failing for year after year have been left

:57:24.:57:26.

by local authorities in that state. We have found the way to help

:57:27.:57:32.

succeed schools to fly and for failing schools to improve is to

:57:33.:57:36.

have academies. The evidence is in front of us and that is why we are

:57:37.:57:42.

so keen in progressing this. One of the reasons my right honourable

:57:43.:57:47.

friend led his party to victory at last year's general election, was

:57:48.:57:50.

the pledge to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands. Can he tell

:57:51.:58:01.

us why the OBR project immigration to be above 200,000 a year for the

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rest of this decade? By what assumptions do they reach this

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figure? Can he give some details? The OBR don't take into account the

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agreements we have just reach with the European Union over welfare and

:58:16.:58:18.

other immigration restrictions. The Treasury document is very clear

:58:19.:58:24.

about not trying to make all sorts of different assumptions by

:58:25.:58:28.

variables, but to take a very clear set of statistics, established by

:58:29.:58:33.

the OBR. That is why it was interesting when the governor of the

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Bank of England came out and said it wasn't analytically robust process.

:58:37.:58:40.

It doesn't take into account the agreement we reached in Europe. In

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2009, Michelle was brutally raped and murdered in Walthamstow. Since

:58:50.:58:54.

2011, a man wanted in connection with this crime and seven other

:58:55.:59:01.

counts of sexual violence in my constituency, has been evading

:59:02.:59:06.

extradition from India. Over 30 court appearances and another one

:59:07.:59:09.

planned tomorrow. Yet, despite the severity of this crime and the delay

:59:10.:59:14.

in these proceedings, there is no record of any ministerial or

:59:15.:59:19.

diplomatic representations from either the Foreign Office or the

:59:20.:59:24.

Home Office. Will the Prime Minister today, personally committed to put

:59:25.:59:28.

this right and directly raised this matter with his counterpart, so we

:59:29.:59:33.

can finally seek justice for Michelle? I am happy to give the

:59:34.:59:40.

honourable lady that assurance. The British government is always raises

:59:41.:59:43.

all these individual cases, if that is what the victims want us to do.

:59:44.:59:49.

We always raise them, just as we raise a series of cases where there

:59:50.:59:53.

are British people stuck in the Indian justice system. I wasn't

:59:54.:59:57.

aware of this specific case, if she gives me the details I will raise it

:59:58.:00:03.

appropriately. With the president of the United States visiting the UK

:00:04.:00:08.

later this week, can I ask my right honourable friend to raise the issue

:00:09.:00:13.

of the islanders. The government concluded in a report last year that

:00:14.:00:18.

they have a right of resettlement and with the US military presence,

:00:19.:00:25.

will he raise the case of US assistance for the right of return

:00:26.:00:30.

to the British Indian Ocean Territory? I certainly will be

:00:31.:00:34.

discussing this issue. I know it is right right honourable friend raises

:00:35.:00:39.

it. There are many chip Austrians who live in Crawley. What he said is

:00:40.:00:45.

not entirely correct. What the National Security Council and the

:00:46.:00:48.

Cabinet have been doing is looking at the situation of the islanders

:00:49.:00:51.

and reviewing all of the options for how we can help with their future.

:00:52.:00:56.

Those discussions have taken place and we need to come to a conclusion

:00:57.:01:02.

about the best way forward. Some people think the worst case that has

:01:03.:01:09.

been made so far to vote to leave the EU is the claim that England is

:01:10.:01:13.

an island. Could the Prime Minister tell the House what the worst

:01:14.:01:22.

argument he's heard from Brexit is? I think probably the one we would

:01:23.:01:27.

get out of the Eurovision Song contest. Not only would that be

:01:28.:01:31.

incredibly sad, but given Israel and Azerbaijan and anyone near Europe

:01:32.:01:37.

seems to enter, I think we are pretty safe from that one. Would my

:01:38.:01:51.

right honourable friend point out to President Obama, in a series of

:01:52.:01:58.

European court judgments, such as Davis and Shrems using fundamental

:01:59.:02:05.

rights, the EU has established its jurisdiction over our intelligence

:02:06.:02:07.

data and sought to prevent our intelligence sharing with the United

:02:08.:02:11.

States. Will he therefore warned the president, if we vote Remain, far

:02:12.:02:17.

from the US gaining influence in the EU, the United States is losing

:02:18.:02:21.

control and influence over her closest ally. I am sure the

:02:22.:02:29.

president will take all of these calculations into account before

:02:30.:02:34.

saying anything. Let me make two points. First of all, this decision

:02:35.:02:39.

is a decision for the British people and the British people alone. We are

:02:40.:02:43.

sovereign in making this decision. Personally, I believe we should

:02:44.:02:46.

listen to advice from friends and other countries. I struggle to find

:02:47.:02:50.

the leader of any friendly country who thinks we should leave. When it

:02:51.:02:55.

comes the United States, it is worth looking at what so many Treasury

:02:56.:03:00.

secretaries have said, going back over a Republican or Democrat

:03:01.:03:04.

administrations. It may not be the determining factor for many people,

:03:05.:03:07.

but listening to what our friends say in the world, is not a bad idea.

:03:08.:03:13.

The average property price in Hackney is ?682,000. The medium rent

:03:14.:03:23.

for a two-bedroom flat for month is 1500 pounds and overcrowding and

:03:24.:03:27.

demand for social housing is the highest I have seen in 20 years. Can

:03:28.:03:33.

the Prime Minister tell my constituents how the housing bill

:03:34.:03:36.

will help them? It is going to help them because we are building starter

:03:37.:03:40.

homes for the first time that people come by. We are extending the right

:03:41.:03:44.

to buy two housing association tenants, so they can buy homes. I

:03:45.:03:53.

noticed the lady giving us the benefit of her wisdom. Many people

:03:54.:03:58.

in her constituency would love to buy a council House or a housing

:03:59.:04:02.

association House. We have the Help to Buy scheme which is helping many

:04:03.:04:07.

people get on the housing ladder. And with shared ownership, all of

:04:08.:04:11.

those things will help. Since 2010, 101,000 homes have been built in

:04:12.:04:17.

London, including 670,000 affordable homes. We need to build many more.

:04:18.:04:24.

We need to do the right thing and that his side we are on. Prime

:04:25.:04:38.

Minister, woodland is much valued, not least the recycling much of our

:04:39.:04:41.

hot air, but especially ancient woodland. There is only 2% of the

:04:42.:04:48.

remaining. It is as precious as the rainforest and its biodiversity

:04:49.:04:52.

cannot be replaced. Would the Prime Minister agree this precious habitat

:04:53.:04:56.

and the Prime Minister has 331 ancient and veteran trees in his

:04:57.:05:00.

constituency, would he agree it ought to be protected in line with

:05:01.:05:02.

Heritage sites and national monuments? I am lucky to have an

:05:03.:05:11.

ancient forest in my constituency, containing many of the trees she

:05:12.:05:14.

mentions. I will look carefully at what she says. The most important

:05:15.:05:20.

thing we can do is make sure we are planting more forests, more trees

:05:21.:05:25.

and woodland, which this government has a very good record on. The

:05:26.:05:29.

Secretary of State for Northern Ireland said recently, politics in

:05:30.:05:32.

Northern Ireland was on a more stable footing than it has been for

:05:33.:05:37.

some time. We will continue to offer strong leadership for a better

:05:38.:05:41.

future in Northern Ireland. The people in Northern Ireland are

:05:42.:05:44.

concerned about a two sided approach to the past to investigate a police

:05:45.:05:50.

officer who bravely stopped an IRA bomber trying to kill police

:05:51.:05:55.

officers 25 years ago at a police station. Will the Prime Minister

:05:56.:05:59.

agree with me, we have to get behind our security forces, praise them for

:06:00.:06:02.

the work they did in Northern Ireland and not persecute them going

:06:03.:06:08.

forward? Let me be tribute to the right honourable gentleman and his

:06:09.:06:12.

Members of Parliament and members of the assembly. It is right to say

:06:13.:06:16.

politics in Northern Ireland is more stable and is more given our ban has

:06:17.:06:22.

been for many years. Obviously, issues around the acts of the past

:06:23.:06:30.

cause pain and difficulty on both sides of the debate. But we have an

:06:31.:06:34.

independent and impartial justice system. Order.

:06:35.:06:46.

And as Laura correctly predicted, the Leader of the Opposition went on

:06:47.:06:54.

academies and education, and all primary schools being made to become

:06:55.:06:59.

academies. Plenty have chosen to do so but it seems the Government would

:07:00.:07:03.

like every state school in the country to become academies. All six

:07:04.:07:09.

questions went on that. He implied there were many education experts,

:07:10.:07:14.

former Conservative ministers, against the idea and he asked the

:07:15.:07:18.

Prime Minister to step down on this idea. I think he has asked him to

:07:19.:07:21.

step down on something else, but not today! But the day is early, he may

:07:22.:07:29.

well before it is out! And the Prime Minister was robust and his defence

:07:30.:07:33.

over academies, which will be interesting if, in the end, they do

:07:34.:07:36.

decide to change their policy on academies. Let's first hear what you

:07:37.:07:42.

made of PMQs. They responded to the debate around

:07:43.:07:47.

the academisation of schools in England. J in Milton Keynes says,

:07:48.:07:51.

just my imagination perhaps but the Tory benches appeared to be

:07:52.:07:56.

unusually quiet during David Cameron's and sewers regarding

:07:57.:07:59.

academisation. From York, I want schools to be run

:08:00.:08:03.

by teachers, not bureaucrats. This was a bit rich for a man campaigning

:08:04.:08:13.

to allow unelected Eurocrats to run British lives.

:08:14.:08:16.

In Norwich, Mr Cameron continues to rule over the dispatch box and Mr

:08:17.:08:20.

Corbyn again goes on the wrong subject. Education, however

:08:21.:08:24.

important, is not the issue of the day. How about the junior doctors'

:08:25.:08:30.

strike? And Chris says the knock-about between Corbyn and

:08:31.:08:35.

Cameron is becoming ever more boring and pointless, the backbencher

:08:36.:08:38.

questions are often more interesting and challenging and I think we

:08:39.:08:40.

should give more time to backbenchers. John Burke gives more

:08:41.:08:46.

time then there has been in the past, but point taken -- John

:08:47.:08:52.

Bercow. It is almost 20 to one, so he has

:08:53.:08:56.

allowed it to go over, but the long business about the Queen at the

:08:57.:09:00.

beginning. I don't think she is watching today, she is out at

:09:01.:09:03.

Winsley. She normally watches but she is out today -- at Windsor. Do

:09:04.:09:11.

they not get television in winds are? She is out and about, you are

:09:12.:09:20.

meant to know that. The Counselor mentioned by Jeremy Corbyn watches.

:09:21.:09:26.

The issue of academies is a very important issue and Mr Corbyn had

:09:27.:09:33.

six questions about it. Simply in terms of the process, or in terms of

:09:34.:09:37.

media management, is there a difficulty when you go with

:09:38.:09:40.

something that is important but is not on today's agenda or this week

:09:41.:09:47.

agenda -- this we's agenda Chris Watt doesn't it then struggle to

:09:48.:09:52.

make the news? It can be a problem and we have seen it with Jeremy

:09:53.:09:55.

Corbyn before, on days when he has gone on housing, an issue he really

:09:56.:09:59.

cares about, but it dominates the session and then doesn't go anywhere

:10:00.:10:03.

else. That could happen with this debate, it is a wider danger, but

:10:04.:10:07.

what I thought was interesting was that in a funny way, David Cameron

:10:08.:10:10.

was sending more robust on these plans than Nicky Morgan, the

:10:11.:10:14.

Education Secretary, has. What Jeremy called and didn't raise the

:10:15.:10:18.

comments Nicky Morgan made yesterday in an interview to the BBC that

:10:19.:10:24.

critics have raised important issues, it is legitimate to raise

:10:25.:10:29.

questions and question the policy. If that doesn't end there will be

:10:30.:10:33.

changes, I am not sure what is, I don't know if Jeremy Corbyn hadn't

:10:34.:10:38.

seen the comments and he didn't as perhaps the most pertinent question,

:10:39.:10:41.

can the Prime Minister guarantee right now there will not be any

:10:42.:10:45.

changes to this plan at all? I don't think David Cameron would have been

:10:46.:10:50.

able to. The Government has long been in favour of academies and it

:10:51.:10:53.

picked up the idea of academies from the last Labour Government and it

:10:54.:10:59.

puts rocket boosters under it, and they have been expanding at quite a

:11:00.:11:02.

fast rate, particularly in the second there is for you, but where

:11:03.:11:08.

did the pressure come from to make all schools academies? It is a good

:11:09.:11:12.

question, I don't know. I don't know whose idea it was. I think what they

:11:13.:11:18.

have done is, it is important to put it into context, when they say they

:11:19.:11:21.

are making all schools academies, it is going to be spread over six

:11:22.:11:28.

years, and I think the impetus, I don't know which individuals have

:11:29.:11:34.

pushed it, but as more schools become self-governing academies and

:11:35.:11:37.

fewer schools are under local authority control, you get a

:11:38.:11:40.

mismatch where a lot of money is spent on bureaucracy managing fewer

:11:41.:11:50.

schools and academies have made a material difference to school

:11:51.:11:52.

standards and therefore a decision will be made, if you have a halfway

:11:53.:12:00.

house, to go full house. Are you concerned about the way of support

:12:01.:12:04.

against this idea on the Tory benches? I represent a rule

:12:05.:12:09.

constituency and all secondary schools are academies and I have

:12:10.:12:16.

primary schools that are small -- eight to community. If they may go

:12:17.:12:24.

to MPs and say they are nervous about this but it does not mean MPs

:12:25.:12:29.

say it must not happen but in terms of what Nicky Morgan was saying,

:12:30.:12:32.

they will say I have small primary schools that are nervous, they don't

:12:33.:12:37.

have the necessary resources to handle academisation, can we discuss

:12:38.:12:42.

the best way? In my constituency, a lot of my schools are becoming

:12:43.:12:48.

academy trusts and I think it is working very well and I think having

:12:49.:12:53.

all schools academies will work very well but I noticed my constituents

:12:54.:12:57.

and dear colleague, Melinda Tilly, was mentioned by Jeremy Corbyn and

:12:58.:13:05.

she will be furious about that. Even Michael Gove, who was the Radzi

:13:06.:13:09.

Education Secretary, didn't go for this one size fits all, he was keen

:13:10.:13:18.

to have a variety of size of schools if the school was delivering and

:13:19.:13:21.

doing well and the key to all of this is the head and how the school

:13:22.:13:26.

is run and I can just see that where a school is being run well and there

:13:27.:13:29.

is a good head that now hanging over them, and I know you say it is going

:13:30.:13:33.

to take a lot of time, but that is going to weigh down on them and the

:13:34.:13:37.

rest of the staff and it just doesn't seem necessary. Yes, we all

:13:38.:13:43.

want to tackle schools that are failing, but to kind of have this

:13:44.:13:47.

top down... I have had lots of problems with my local authority

:13:48.:13:50.

but, you know, there are some really, really good schools and you

:13:51.:13:55.

don't want it all to be the same. Do you have academies in your

:13:56.:13:59.

constituency and local authority? Yes. Those schools that come under

:14:00.:14:03.

the local authority, do they really run them now? Ultimately, they still

:14:04.:14:09.

have control over various aspects, in terms of they make them all come

:14:10.:14:12.

to various meetings where their heads have to go off and talk about

:14:13.:14:17.

how they can share things across the authority, that is very good, but it

:14:18.:14:22.

is not how it used to be. The head has not got the power to make

:14:23.:14:25.

decisions about how they make changes to their own school. Laura,

:14:26.:14:30.

do you think they will keep their requirement for parent governors in

:14:31.:14:33.

school? That was one of the things that also was angering Tory MPs.

:14:34.:14:39.

There has already been a bit of mood music around that softening up

:14:40.:14:42.

because the idea of chucking of parents who have been involved in

:14:43.:14:46.

their children's schools successfully be years seemed to many

:14:47.:14:50.

people to be going too far, so that may have already been tweaked and

:14:51.:14:53.

they may have acknowledged they are not going to throw people off, as it

:14:54.:14:57.

were. But I do think that on this whole issue, there is a bit of a

:14:58.:15:01.

misunderstanding from a lot of people about how the local authority

:15:02.:15:05.

role has already changed to become a lot more supervisory. Lots of people

:15:06.:15:09.

believe in the ideas of academies very passionately, the evidence is

:15:10.:15:14.

disputed, it is mixed in some places but not in others, but in terms of

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the genesis of this, fascinating that Ed Vaizey said he didn't know

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where the impetus to force academisation came from. There was a

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suspicion when this was announced, just on the eve of the budget, by

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the Chancellor, not the Education Secretary, that it was in part to

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try to show the Conservatives went all about the economy, not all about

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the deficit, they still wanted to have the social reforms, they still

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had ideas. And George Osborne wished to be associated with that. For his

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leadership bid. Exactly. There is an expectation around some education

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experts that this policy would inevitably come in, it has been the

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direction of travel for some time but the political timing of when it

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actually emerged is significant, so if we review this reform in that

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context, if I have to back down, it is a bit of a failure of that

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political strategy. Your councillor Tilly, "If it's not broke, don't fix

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it. I don't think schools should be force. We have been supportive of

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the Government's agenda, we have been helping schools to convert

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wherever they could and now all of a sudden they are going to force the

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rest of them. It makes my blood boil. I am put in a position where I

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can't protect schools. One size does not fit all." Absolutely. Has she

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been text in you? Is it a tweet? That is classic Melinda, "Making my

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blood boil". She is a very strong minded and highly successful member

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of the Oxfordshire County Council Cabinet responsible for education.

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She has strong views and has never hidden her strong views on a range

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of Government policies. You have quite a few Tories... In what we

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could call the rebel quarter on this issue. Tim Loughton, former

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education minister. Graham Stewart, Jason McCartney, Will Quinn, James

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cartridge, Edward Leigh, Stuart Jackson, Richard Drax, Lucy Allen,

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Richard Benyon, Caroline Noakes, quite a lot. And you only have a

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majority of 12. More than 12 officially in terms of

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the rebellion. It is always interesting with these debates

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because on the one hand, people say the Government doesn't listen and it

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is a terrible thing and then if the Government does listen and amends

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any policy, it is seen as a U-turn. Shouldn't you listen before the

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announcement? According to you, a lot of MPs have raised issues. It is

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not to say they are opposing academisation and spreading it over

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six years, but it is perfectly right that we have a dialogue with any MPs

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that raise concerns and they will be reflecting the concerns... Very few

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people on many sides oppose academies as such. Mr Corbyn does.

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If he had a good one in his constituency, maybe he wouldn't,

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London has had fewer than the rest of the country. It is the top down

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making it happen, the one size fits all, as Melinda has said. I would

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turn it around and say it is bottom-up and academisation is

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precisely the opposite of one size fits all because it gives

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headteachers the freedoms to drive their schools. We will come back to

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this, it is an important issue and only refers, of course, to England,

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but that means a lot of schools. I want to quickly say, I think Melinda

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Tilly has to come on the Daily Politics after all this. With Ed

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Vaizey. I don't think I would survive. It is bad enough, being

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destroyed by Melinda would be too much. I think you could cope.

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Now, a Conservative MP is warning the Government could face defeat

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in the Commons unless it gives way and offers sanctuary in Britain

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to thousands of unaccompanied child regugees stranded alone in Europe.

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Heidi Allen claims another 30 Tory MPs are "waiting

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to be convinced" ahead of a vote next week.

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The government's position has so far been that it's better to help

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vulnerable people from camps in the affected regions and avoid

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providing incentives for migrants to attempt the journey to Europe.

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And Heidi Allen joins us now from Central Lobby.

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Heidi Allen, is there any indication that the Government is going to

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shift ground on this? Well, I am hoping so, yes. We had a Westminster

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Hall debate yesterday morning and James Brogan shar spoke very

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positively that an announcement would be coming in the coming days

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but we are desperate to hear the content, because so far we have

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seen, from our point of view, not as much assistance to children in

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Europe already as we would like, so we are waiting to hear what he will

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say. He has, as immigration minister, said the Government will

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be looking to do more but it is the central issue of whether the

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Government would actually change its mind in terms of helping

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unaccompanied children that already are in Europe, when it has

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repeatedly said no, we will focus effort and perhaps more effort on

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dealing with children and families in refugee camps in countries like

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Jordan. That is right. It still remains the

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right thing to do. That way I look at it is, nobody would argue leaders

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across the world were slow to react to this. It is a great plan, educate

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the region, but the plan came after so many people made the journey

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already. I saw the boats for myself in Lesbos, you don't want anybody

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getting into those. But the fact remains, some of them are here.

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Three weeks ago I was in Calais. There are children who are totally

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vulnerable. No safe guarding. Are we going to look at ourselves in the

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mirror and say, they can stay there. It is not good enough. What about

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incentives? They are here already, what the government keeps stating

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that by taking and agreeing to take a certain number of those

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unaccompanied children in Europe, it will only tempt more people to make

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the journey? But there are so many of them who have a genuine right to

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claim asylum here. When I came back from Calais three weeks ago, the

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first Syrian refugee boys who had made it through the process, they

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were with us. But there was no room for the fourth one in the car and he

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was sent back to the jungle to wait for another month. So it is the

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processing and the mechanics, there are children out there already with

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family in the UK and Europe and we have the ability to facilitate that

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more quickly. I don't agree with the arbiter in number of 3000. But if we

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can say if we don't have processes in place at the right locations to

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identify these children at risk, the number becomes arbitrate. But we

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need to see action on the ground. Ed Vaizey, should we move on this? I

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cannot say if the government is going to move. The minister is

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giving evidence to the home affairs select committee. He has indicated

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he is taking this seriously. I would echo what Heidi said, on the one

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hand we have a robust policy, which is to help people in the region, to

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take specific people we can into the UK, but not to help the human

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traffickers, as it were. You know we have an outstanding record in terms

:22:49.:22:51.

of the financial support as well, both to the Mediterranean rescue

:22:52.:22:58.

operation and Syria. But people feel strongly about this. It is a

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horrible thing to have to talk about, but all factor. But that has

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to be a potential factor because a lot of people are coming here via

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criminal gangs and it is important there is a clear policy. Heidi, in

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terms of support, are there enough Tory MPs to defeat this? Why all

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these things, it hinges on the announcement James is able to make.

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He talks to me and colleagues on a regular basis. It is within his

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power, it depends on what he's going to announce. Something else perhaps

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we don't think about, the other all factor is a nasty one and that is

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the pull factor of abuse and trafficking of children being put

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into prostitution. Because they are left there? Yes, it happens, I talk

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to the doctors at Medecins Sans Frontieres, the injuries they

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sustained, it is awful. Heidi Allen, thank you very much.

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Now let's talk about one of the biggest democratic

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Or indeed the results of our Guess the Year comeptition.

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No I speak of course of the online poll held to choose a name

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for the UK's new ?200 million polar research vessel.

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More than 120,000 people wanted it to be Boaty McBoatface. But it looks

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like the government might step in to thwart their democratic will.

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It's the ship that launched a thousand smiles.

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The Royal research ship, due to be built by 2019,

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will be used to study the Polar regions.

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They asked Britain what we should call it and Britain spoke.

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Yes, the minister in charge didn't like that idea.

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It's not a duck and it doesn't have a daft name,

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We have a link of Shakespeare and heroines.

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We ask our staff first for a short list.

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And then we iron out any embarrassing situations.

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She drowned, so that wouldn't be good.

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Boaty McBoatface, that is a lesser-known Shakespearean

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character from the Scottish play, I believe.

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But I think it would fall beautifully within

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But back to the Polar explorer, a case of a rose by any other name?

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Let's name this boat Boaty McBoatface and let's see it

:25:48.:25:52.

as a monument to minister or folly, and a lesson

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to all those in positions of authority in ministries.

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For goodness sake, if you're going to try a bit of Aye democracy,

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The man who used to be in charge of the British Navy sort of disagrees.

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I think Her Majesty, although inwardly, she will be

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amused at the whimsy of the British nation,

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it will be difficult to say the words.

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"I name you Boaty McBoatface, God bless you and all

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The Queen may also have trouble with the other

:26:20.:26:28.

suggestions like 'Usain Boat', 'Boatimus Prime' and 'What Iceberg'.

:26:29.:26:30.

The moral of this story - if you're asking the public,

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There we go. Should it be called Boaty McBoatface? Whatever happens,

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it will be called that by the public. Maybe 20, 30 years' time,

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people will have no idea why it is called that. I agree, one you start

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this, democracy is all right, but once you start asking... Be careful

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what you say, Kate. Some suggest as it is a polar ship it should be

:27:09.:27:15.

called What Iceberg. What is your view on this, Ed Vaizey. Trust in

:27:16.:27:22.

politics is going down, we should go with the will of the people. Joe

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Johnson said it was stupid to call it that. As we get more involved in

:27:28.:27:33.

the European Union, eventually the Brussels bureaucrats will abolish

:27:34.:27:36.

the British sense of humour. This will be a great memorial. You have

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just handed Kate right line. In that one sentence you have annoyed Joe

:27:45.:27:49.

Johnson and annoyed the Chancellor, joining sides with Kate Hoey. What

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about Ice, Baby Ice. Ice, Ice Baby. On that shock moves, they are split

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on the issue of Boaty McBoatface. Let's give put you out of your

:28:19.:28:27.

misery and give you the answer to Guessed The Year. It was 1981. Well

:28:28.:28:36.

done Kenny McGrath. The royal wedding was the giveaway. The one

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o'clock News is starting on BBC One. We will be here at noon tomorrow

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with another edition of your favourite Daily Politics. We hope

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Her Majesty will be back from her parameter elation is. Until then,

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goodbye.

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