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The Labour Party is facing a fresh row over anti-semitism after one

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of its MPs posted controversial remarks about Israel and the Jews.

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Naz Shah has apologised for Facebook posts she made before becoming an MP

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supporting the deportation of all Israeli Jews to America.

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She's stepped down as a Parliamentary aide to the Shadow

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Junior doctors are staging their second all-out strike -

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walking out of routine and emergency care.

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But the Government insists it won't back down.

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So there's plenty for MPs to quiz the Prime Minister on.

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We'll have full coverage of PMQs at midday.

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And, while we're on the subject of PMQs, Jeremy Corbyn said

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he wanted to make the weekly bout less confrontational.

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All that in the next hour and a half, and with us for the whole

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of the programme today the Shadow Energy Secretary Lisa

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Nandy, and the former Defence Secretary Liam Fox.

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Both Lisa and Liam have been tipped as future

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Although, now I've said that, it probably won't come to pass!

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However, without wishing to go too far, the next 90 minutes could play

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a key role in shaping the future of British politics...

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junior doctors in England have begun their second

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Once again senior doctors and other medical staff are having

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Junior doctors are staging the walk-out over the imposition

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Ministers say the change is required to provide safe

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Let's talk now to our Health Correspondent Smitha Mundasad

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who at St Thomas' Hospital in central London.

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The second day, and is the atmosphere and resilience the same

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as yesterday? The picket line behind me with a drum out here today, and I

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have been told that there few doctors on the picket line today

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that -- but the passion is still running high. The message is the

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same, that the contract is not fair and they will not accept it. The

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Department of Health have said that around 78% of junior doctors did not

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turn up for work yesterday which could be around one in five crossing

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the picket line. What has the impact been? Hospitals around the country

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have told us they coped very well. Some said that their accident and

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emergency departments were less busy than usual and perhaps the public

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heeded warnings not to come in unless it was a genuine emergency,

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but the question remains today whether more patients will turn up

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and the really big question is where both sides go from here. It feels

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very much like neither side is budging from their sticking points.

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Are they saying, the doctors you spoke to, that they would consider

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an indefinite walk-out if the government does not give in to their

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demands? They have been saying that all options are on the table. Some

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said to me that they brought their babies with them on the picket line

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and said, look, I have a family to think about and I don't know what to

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do if his contract lands on my door. Others say they might go abroad.

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Scotland and Wales are not imposing the contract, and there has been

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some talk of indefinite strikes, but hospital managers, one I spoke to

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yesterday, he said he did not feel the NHS could cope with an

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indefinite strike. The truth is that junior doctors have had to rely on

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the goodwill of senior staff to cover for them, and the question is

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how long will the goodwill stretch. Thank you very much.

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Liam Fox, used to be a doctor. The health service is already stretched

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doing what it does at the moment. How can you go to a seven day per

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week all up service with no more money? This has been one of the

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things that has come the entire dispute. --, located the entire

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dispute. It is not really defined in what the seven-day NHS was. Are we

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talking about a seven-day emergency NHS where we think it is patchy and

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needs improvement? We have always had a seven-day NHS, but are we

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talking about a seven-day elective NHS that does everything on a

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Saturday and Sunday, which you cannot simply deal with with more

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doctors because you need the ancillary and support staff. I have

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been asking questions about this and the Secretary of State has made it

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increasingly clear that we are talking about an emergency service

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and it shouldn't be that difficult to implement if you are just

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improving what we already have got and you are not moving to a full

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service. Are you saying that the government policy, as you understand

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it, is simply to provide better emergency cover? It already provides

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emergency cover at weekends. Are you saying the policy is simply to

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improve the scope and level of emergency cover? And to improve

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access to general practice. It's a different concept to move into a

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full elective service. What underlies this dispute is this

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misunderstanding about what it is we're trying to achieve. Greater

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clarity is setting out the policy from the outset, that would have

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been helpful. But to be fair, on the other side, we need to have an

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understanding that this is about pay and conditions and I don't believe

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any dispute about pay and conditions justifies putting patients at risk.

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Perhaps if the government had given more clarity, she said, from the

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start, we wouldn't be where we are now. Even if we had that, we still

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have the dispute about pay and conditions. There is another problem

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and we have to be frank about it, the NHS has had not enough doctors

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since its inception. The problem is exacerbated now by the fact that you

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have more elderly patients with more comics medical needs and you require

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more doctors to just stand still, as you were, in terms of the quality of

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patient treatment and we have to accept that we have a finite budget

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and we have to decide what the priorities are. We need a proper

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grown-up debate in this country because what medical sciences able

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to do is growing exponentially. Even if we are giving a substantial

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increase in funding we need a much better quality debate than we get in

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this country. Lisa, am I behind the curve, or is what Liam Fox said News

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to you as well? That this is just down to providing better emergency

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cover at weekends? It was news to me because this has changed over the

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course of the last few months and is changing it seems on a daily basis.

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The point Liam made was important because it's not clear what the

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government is now imposing on junior doctors. Because it's not clear what

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they are imposing it is not clear what the impact will be on them and

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patient safety. That is why we said earlier in the week, backed by the

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Royal colleges, that they should be piloted in a number of trusts and we

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could see the impact. Any sensible government would do it. We did it

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when we brought in a new covenant -- when we brought in a new contract.

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We shall see, it is an ongoing dispute.

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Naz Shah, the Labour MP for Bradford West,

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has stepped down from her role as a parliamentary aide to

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the Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell after controversial Facebook

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comments about Israel were unearthed.

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Miss Shah has also apologised over the Facebook post from 2014

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in which she called for Israel to be relocated to the USA.

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In August 2014, Naz Shah shared a graphic showing Israel's outline

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superimposed onto a map of the US with the comment "problem solved".

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And the following month she shared an image of a man

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with a number around his neck with the words "Never forget that

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everything Hitler did in Germany was legal" and the hashtag

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Yesterday the Bradford West MP,

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who was elected in May 2015, resigned from her position

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Ms Shah said: to shadow Chancellor John McDonnell.

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Well, we asked Naz Shah for an interview but she declined.

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We also contacted John McDonnell's office.

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to the statement he made yesterday saying he had accepted Miss Shah's

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resignation as his parliamentary aide.

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We also asked the Labour Party for a statement.

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Why has the whip not been withdrawn from her? My understanding is that

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Naz Shah has been called in to hold her to account for the comments she

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posted there and I think it's the right thing to do. Hold her to

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account? Do you expect her to have the whip with withdrawn? We have a

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policy in the Labour Party that people who make anti-Semitic remarks

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are suspended and an investigation is carried out. I don't want to

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pre-empt the outcome of the conversation that Jeremy is about to

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have but I have made clear my view to the office that the policy should

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be followed without exception. You would say that quite clearly those

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anti-Semitic remarks, never forget that everything Hitler did in

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Germany it was legal, with that hash tag. We heard views from the Jewish

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community today who found the remarks offensive. Do you not find

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them offensive? I do, and I think it was wrong to share those posts on

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social media and I think she was right to resign and apologise.

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Resigning as an aid is not the same as being suspended from the party.

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The party has suspended other people for saying similar things, so why

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are they not using that zero tolerance approach with an MP? I

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agree with you and I made that clear to the leader 's office this

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morning. As Louise Ellman, one of the most high-profile Jewish MPs

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said in the media this weekend, the vast majority of members of the

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Labour Party are not anti-Semitic and Avevor these views. It is really

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important that we make that clear to the country and give the Jewish

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community and the rest of the country the confidence that we take

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it seriously. This is a statement that has come from the Labour Party.

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What Naz Shah did was offensive and unacceptable and I have spoken to

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him -- her and made it clear. These are historic social media posts made

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before she was a member of Parliament. Naz Shah has issued a

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fulsome apology, she does not hold these views and accepts she was

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completely wrong to have made these posts. The Labour Party is

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implacably opposed to anti-Semitism and all forms of racism. That

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doesn't look like she will have the whip withdrawn. All I can say is

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that when I spoke to the leaders offers this morning they said she

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was being called in to see Jeromy personally and he was handling it

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personally, which is right as the leader of the Labour Party. Do you

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think she should have the whip withdrawn? I've made clear my view

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on the leader 's office that we should suspend anybody who makes

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anti-Semitic remarks in line with our policy and investigate. I don't

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want to pre-empt the outcome of it an investigation. We know this

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morning that she apologised and her local synagogue came out in support

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of her. It's right we look at the circumstances of what happened but I

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think the policy is clear, though we suspend and then we investigate. If

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the party does not move swiftly to deal with this, or certainly in the

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same way as they did with other people, and they say they are

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implacably opposed to anti-Semitism, it will leave the impression that

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they don't actually follow through on an issue that they say they are

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against. I think that's right and I think that is a problem for the

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Labour Party if we don't look like we are taking these things

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seriously. But what I would also say is that it's not just about the

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impact on the Labour Party. There is also a question of what is the right

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thing to do, and the right thing to do is to do a full investigation and

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make sure that we do not tolerate anti-Semitism in our party at all.

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You have said she has apologised for these posts, she has and she says

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that that is not her view, but it clearly is what she thinks otherwise

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she would not have shared her posts. You could argue that she has just

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been rumbled. I can't get into saying what somebody thinks. I think

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the apology was right. I think it is wrong to share those posts and I

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think they were very offensive. The question is what happens next. The

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key thing is that there must be an investigation and we have to make

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sure we are not just saying that we are opposed to anti-Semitism, but we

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are acting on it. The Shadow Chancellor said in a recent article

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in the Independent, out, out, out, that is how people with anti-Jewish

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views are dealt with. If people express these views, they are out. I

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am taking a harder line, he says, than the leadership so far because

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people might say I have changed my views and will do something in

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another organisation. So he does not believe people change their views.

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He also said in the interview that people who make anti-Semitic remarks

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should be excluded from the Labour Party for life, which is further

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than our stated policy. Do you agree with him? I don't know if I agree

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that people should be excluded for life because I think you have to

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give people a chance to say sorry and change and amend for what they

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have done. But what I would say is that there has to be a suspension

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and an investigation when something like this occurs, because it is so

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serious and it does have such a knock-on effect on people outside of

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Parliament in the real world. Liam Fox, anti-Semitism is not just

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particular to the Labour Party. It is an issue that other parties have

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dealt with as well over the years and decades. Do you think that

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Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell are sending a clear enough message? I

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think there are a number of issues. I don't think it is whether you

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share the posts but whether you share the sentiment behind them or

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whether you write them. That's one thing. Another is that these were

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done before she was selected and elected so there are questions of

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process here. How does this simply not get picked up in advance of an

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election, that a candidate is allowed to stand having these things

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out there on social media? And I think there is a wider problem. Alex

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Chalmers, who was the chairman of Oxford University Labour club, who

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resigned because he said there was a problem with anti-Semitism there...

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If that's happening at Oxford University Labour club, you would

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suggest it was a wider problem. So I think it is absolutely essential

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that a clear line is taken by the Labour leadership. Ever get us the

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withdrawal of the -- I think it has to be withdrawal of the whip. I

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think the problem here is that sympathising with the views, not

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necessarily the timing of the event. I think you're wider point is

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important because the Labour Party, the vast majority of members in the

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Labour Party, are not anti-Semitic and a poor those views. But

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anti-Semitism is found in every institution and every part of

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society and it's important that none of us are complacent. There's a lot

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of them coming out of the Labour Party at the moment, though. There

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have been a number of incidents in the last few months.

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And a number of suspensions. What is going through somebody's mind when

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you post "Let's not forget everything Hitler did was legal"?

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Some of the things that you see on social media are unbelievable. But

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she's an MP. She wasn't an MP when she posted them but I'm not saying

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that excuses. Eyes up is the criticism is, is the Labour Party

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being reactive rather than proactive?

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-- I suppose the criticism is. So, the referendum

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campaign is hotting up. And what would normally be fairly

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dry stories suddenly This morning new figures show

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a slight slow-down in economic growth in the first

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quarter of this year. The Chancellor, George Osborne,

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says "the threat of leaving the EU It's the latest salvo

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in the campaign, so, Jo, bring us up Earlier this month, the Treasury

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released analysis in which they claimed leaving the EU

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would cost British But Vote Leave called the study

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"completely worthless" and said the figures didn't add up,

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because they equated household Then last week, US President Barack

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Obama arrived in the UK to issue a warning on future

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US-UK trade deals. He said Britain would be

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at "the back of the queue" when drawing up future trade deals

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in the event of a British And Mayor of London Boris Johnson

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got himself into hot water after arguing the President's

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"part-Kenyan" ancestry may have led to a "dislike of the British

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Empire". On Sunday, Home Secretary

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Theresa May made her first should remain in the EU,

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but admitted free movement of people makes it harder to control

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immigration to the UK. And on Monday, leading Leave

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campaigner Michael Gove launched a campaign arguing Britain will face

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a migration "free-for-all" unless it Thanks, Jo Co. Liam Fox, the OECD

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this morning, probably the most famous international think tank, has

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now said that incomes in Britain will be hit if we leave the EU. So

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we've now got the OECD, the IMF, the IFF, the World bank, six US former

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Treasury Secretary is all saying roughly the same thing. What

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international think tank still you have in your side? It's a question

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of why they are saying these things and the assumptions that they are

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making. I think they are making many of the wrong assumptions. If you

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look at the Treasury's on report, for example, it assumes that we

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wouldn't have any bilateral trade negotiations that were successful in

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the opening period. It doesn't take into account the cost of regulation

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on British industry and the fact that we could be freed from some of

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that. So I think you have to look at the wider picture. I think that

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today's figures that Jo was referring to are very interesting.

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At one set annual growth, the Treasury would normally be saying,

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"That's wonderful". -- at 1% annual growth. We have these strong

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disruptions on the international stock markets so that's quite a good

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figure. I'm afraid that I think this rather childish obsession with

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blaming everything that we have in our economy on the European

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referendum doesn't wash. First of all, it was too far back and wasn't

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really affected by this. I understand that but let's come back

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to my question. Are you saying that you are right and the IMF, the IFF

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this, the World bank, the OECD, the US Treasury are all wrong? They all

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said we would benefit from being the exchange rate mechanism and they

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also will benefit from being in the euro and I we didn't listen to them.

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So you are right, a graduate of medicine from the University of

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Glasgow, and all these people - the IMF, the IFF is, the World Bank, the

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British Treasury, the US Treasury - are all wrong? I think they were all

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run on the euro. I think if we had followed their advice and we'd been

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part of the single currency, we'd now be facing what's facing many of

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the economies in Europe. The fact that we stayed out of that project

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was against all of the advice we were getting at the time and thank

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goodness John Major took that decision. So why hasn't Vote Leave

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managed to come up with a reputable and independent think tank or study

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that makes the right assumptions and shows the opposite of that? There

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was the open Europe report on it, Roger Bootle's report on it. Roger

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Bootle is a pro-leave economist. And these are anti-leave economists. So

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you can't say it's wrong to be an anti-BV economist because you are

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part... I would say open Europe is a fine think tank in this city. I

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would say it is not quite on a par with the IMF, the IFF is, the World

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Bank and the OECD. Excuse me if I'm not a great believer in the IMF's

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editing capabilities because back in 2013 the Chancellor was up in arms

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about them talking about how wrong we were to carry forward are sturdy

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programme. Six months later, they were revising to radically upwards

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are growth figures because they realised we'd taken the right

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decisions. They wanted us to join the single currency. We didn't do

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that. They have a very pro-European outlook. I don't say that they're

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wrong for doing that, I just think it's wrong for the UK. Lisa Nandy,

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doesn't Liam Fox make a decent point? I was looking back of the

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OECD's record. The OECD recommended that we should join the European

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exchange-rate in the 90s and it turned out to be a disaster, and it

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advocated that we should, in 1999... It didn't just say we should

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consider joining, it said we should join the euro. If it was wrong on

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these two massive things, why should we listen to it now? You don't have

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to listen to them if you don't want to. You could listen to Barack Obama

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and the US Treasury Secretary, you can listen to our Treasury, you

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could listen to a whole host of ignite experts, including the Bank

:23:18.:23:20.

of England, who are all saying the same thing. The Bank of England has

:23:21.:23:26.

been quite... It is only stored about short-term. The EU referendum,

:23:27.:23:35.

they think, will have a damaging effect on investment. You could

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listen to any of those experts if you want. You don't have to listen

:23:38.:23:42.

to the OECD. I don't agree with Liam. I remember when we were having

:23:43.:23:45.

the debate about whether to join the euro and you could actually find

:23:46.:23:49.

credible economists on both sides of the argument but what we are seeing

:23:50.:23:52.

with this... All these groups were on the wrong side of the argument.

:23:53.:23:57.

But it's really difficult to find anyone credible in economic series

:23:58.:24:01.

prepared to back your case and I think British people need to think

:24:02.:24:04.

about that very carefully in advance of the referendum because this is a

:24:05.:24:08.

really big decision that has gone to have a huge impact on our economy.

:24:09.:24:14.

Other than Roger Bootle, do you have people, credible in economic, who

:24:15.:24:19.

are on your side? I think there are people from the Mayor's financial

:24:20.:24:23.

adviser, who is a senior figure in the city, who has made an analysis

:24:24.:24:27.

and said that the City of London Police letter. You have to look at

:24:28.:24:31.

it in the wider context. First of all to take up this point about our

:24:32.:24:36.

own Treasury, our own Treasury were make this prediction in this report,

:24:37.:24:40.

which takes is 14 years ahead and without being disloyal to my

:24:41.:24:43.

colleagues in the Treasury, let's face it, they've got both the

:24:44.:24:49.

deficit figure wrong for this year and they got the growth figures

:24:50.:24:53.

wrong for this quarter. So prediction is a very dangerous thing

:24:54.:24:57.

to do. And I think it is important to see things in the wider context.

:24:58.:25:03.

We have a wider debate here than just this narrow element, because

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there's an element... I want to be in the EU and I've made it very

:25:09.:25:11.

clear because I want to get control of making our own laws. -- I want to

:25:12.:25:17.

leave the EU. These are huge issues. If you take one of them... You don't

:25:18.:25:23.

have greater control by stepping out of the European Union and refusing

:25:24.:25:26.

to actually take collective action on the big issues. Our financial

:25:27.:25:35.

service industry, which was the one that people said would be most

:25:36.:25:39.

attractor uncertainty over the referendum, has actually been the

:25:40.:25:41.

strongest part of our growth in this quarter. So it doesn't actually add

:25:42.:25:45.

up to all that that is causing uncertainty. What you're saying

:25:46.:25:51.

really doesn't make sense. The argument put forward by the Bank of

:25:52.:25:56.

England on this is that it will choke off investment because of the

:25:57.:26:00.

uncertainty created by the referendum. Companies are delaying

:26:01.:26:04.

decisions to invest and that long-term there will be an impact

:26:05.:26:08.

because of investment and trade. We are still getting more investment

:26:09.:26:11.

than any other part of the EU. Why are we getting more investment? If

:26:12.:26:16.

it's just being part of the EU, why are we getting so much of it in

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Britain? Let's leave that question. We could but we won't.

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We'd better not set up a secret WhatsApp group!

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I already have. Yes, Prime Minister's

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Questions is on its way. A lot going on again. The OECD

:28:44.:28:57.

report this morning. Is Mr Corbyn going to surprise us? I think there

:28:58.:29:01.

might be a surprise in that little bird has suggested to me that he

:29:02.:29:05.

might, again, go on the issue of forcing every school in England to

:29:06.:29:09.

become an academy. Didn't he do all six questions on that last week? He

:29:10.:29:13.

did all six questions that last week. Since then it's an issue that

:29:14.:29:19.

continue to be difficult for the Education Secretary Nicky Morgan.

:29:20.:29:21.

She had a pretty bloody exchange at the dispatch box with problems being

:29:22.:29:24.

put forward by her own MPs and has been suggested to me that Mr Colburn

:29:25.:29:29.

might decide to do that again. As ever, I would put a big caveat on

:29:30.:29:32.

that and if he doesn't, it was only a little tip, but I think you might

:29:33.:29:36.

do that. It's interesting because I think Labour believes genuinely that

:29:37.:29:39.

they are onto something with this, partly because there is a real

:29:40.:29:42.

unease among some of the Tory benches, among Tory local

:29:43.:29:45.

government, and we know already there are going to be two to this

:29:46.:29:48.

plan. Not a big climb-down but we know there are tweaks on the way.

:29:49.:29:53.

Talking to some Labour MPs, they were saying it's quite a big issue

:29:54.:29:56.

in Westminster but it's not a huge issue in the country. It may well

:29:57.:29:59.

not have cut through. It's the kind of issue that you think might become

:30:00.:30:03.

a big issue in the local elections next week, of course. We've got the

:30:04.:30:07.

biggest, most compensated set of elections we've had for some years,

:30:08.:30:10.

in fact the biggest set of elections will have in this Parliament, but it

:30:11.:30:14.

doesn't seem really, and you don't hear from MPs that it's happening on

:30:15.:30:17.

the doorstep, but it seems that Jeremy Corbyn has fixated on this.

:30:18.:30:21.

And he did well last week so maybe that's why he's returning to it. It

:30:22.:30:25.

is also des two of the junior doctors' strike. It was interesting

:30:26.:30:29.

that Jeremy Corbyn and Madonna chose to go to some of the strike sites

:30:30.:30:36.

themselves. There was an alternative. The pilot scheme is

:30:37.:30:43.

something he could urge, which would resonate with the voters more than

:30:44.:30:49.

another round. Yes, Heidi Alexander, the Shadow Health Secretary,

:30:50.:30:52.

together with syllable Democrats and a Tory backbencher, a forward

:30:53.:30:56.

doctor, put forward the idea of trying out the new contract in some

:30:57.:30:59.

hospitals, which was dismissed by Jeremy Hunt. Would I be right in

:31:00.:31:04.

thinking Mr Camara will try to work on something on the anti-Semitism

:31:05.:31:08.

row? It would to practice -- surprise me if he didn't. There is a

:31:09.:31:13.

Leicester there from Oliver Downes, so you would think it would be

:31:14.:31:17.

something he would raise. Indeed. David Cameron is always very well

:31:18.:31:20.

prefer prime and it is questions and armed with a list of things to choke

:31:21.:31:24.

back, not just a list of questions you expect to come along. This is a

:31:25.:31:28.

big issue for the Labour Party. It has been very controversial, it has

:31:29.:31:32.

become a problem for them. We've seen that with Jeremy Corbyn having

:31:33.:31:35.

to respond to it himself this morning. He's been accused of being

:31:36.:31:37.

too slow to respond to these problems previously and it may well

:31:38.:31:41.

be in any case that there should be a suspension and an investigation.

:31:42.:31:46.

Naz Shah has had to stand down from her job working for John McDonell

:31:47.:31:50.

but she is still there in the party. And that may not be the position by

:31:51.:31:54.

the end of today. It may not run but there is going to be pressure on the

:31:55.:31:58.

Shadow Cabinet members liked Lisa, saying maybe there should be a

:31:59.:32:02.

suspension. Is there a head of steam building up to suspend the whip from

:32:03.:32:06.

her? What we've seen on previous occasions like this... In the end,

:32:07.:32:08.

that's been the position, whether it's been local councillors, there's

:32:09.:32:14.

had to be a suspension on exclusion. It may well be that because of other

:32:15.:32:17.

events today in Westminster, the story sometimes fades away. That

:32:18.:32:22.

happens, too. Don't forget after Prime Minister's Questions, there

:32:23.:32:26.

will be a very serious and, I think, well attended, probably quite

:32:27.:32:28.

compelling debate, on the Hillsborough inquest yesterday. So

:32:29.:32:33.

in the way of these things, for good or for ill, in Westminster sometimes

:32:34.:32:36.

stories fade away, literally because a bigger thing comes along. But I

:32:37.:32:40.

think there is going to be pressure on Labour to take more dramatic

:32:41.:32:43.

action against Naz Shah, at least for the coming time. We should say,

:32:44.:32:46.

she's been clear that doesn't hold those views any more and it was a

:32:47.:32:50.

mistake. We will leave it there. Let's go straight over to the

:32:51.:32:51.

Commons. I would like to associate myself

:32:52.:33:42.

with the Prime Minister is important comments on the Hillsborough tragedy

:33:43.:33:45.

along with members on all sides of the house and pay tribute to the

:33:46.:33:50.

victims, their families, and the resilience of the campaigners who

:33:51.:33:54.

continue to strive for the pursuit of justice. In my constituency of

:33:55.:34:05.

easterly service the GPs provide is crucial to people's daily lives, so

:34:06.:34:12.

does the Prime Minister agree with me that recent key announcements of

:34:13.:34:18.

?2.4 billion of funding for GPs is only possible because there was

:34:19.:34:23.

strong, Conservative majority government. My honourable friend is

:34:24.:34:29.

absolutely right. We made a choice to put ?12 billion into the NHS in

:34:30.:34:33.

the last Parliament, 19 billion into the NHS in this Parliament, and we

:34:34.:34:38.

need to see strengthening primary care. Our vision is GPs coming

:34:39.:34:43.

together and having in their surgeries, physiotherapists, mental

:34:44.:34:46.

health practitioners, other clinics so people can get the health care

:34:47.:34:49.

they need and we take the pressure off hospitals. That will only happen

:34:50.:34:55.

if we have a government that keeps investigating -- investing in our

:34:56.:35:00.

NHS. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Yesterday, after 27 years, the 96

:35:01.:35:05.

people who tragically lost their lives at Hillsborough and their

:35:06.:35:08.

families finally received the justice they were entitled to. I

:35:09.:35:12.

welcome the fact that the Prime Minister has apologised for the

:35:13.:35:15.

actions of previous governments and I join him in paying tribute to all

:35:16.:35:20.

of those families who campaigned with such dignity, steadfastness and

:35:21.:35:23.

determination to get to the truth of what happened to their loved ones on

:35:24.:35:27.

that dreadful afternoon. I also paid a very warm tribute to my friends,

:35:28.:35:35.

the members for Liverpool Walton, Holton, Garston and Halewood, who

:35:36.:35:38.

have relentlessly campaigned with great difficulty over many years. I

:35:39.:35:44.

hope the whole house today will be united in demanding that all those

:35:45.:35:48.

involved in the lies, smears and cover-ups that have so bedevilled

:35:49.:35:51.

the whole enquiry will now be held to account. Last week, the Prime

:35:52.:35:59.

Minister told the house that he was going to put rocket boosters on his

:36:00.:36:04.

forced canonisation proposals. This weekend, in the light of widespread

:36:05.:36:09.

unease, it seems the Weald are falling off the rocket boosters, and

:36:10.:36:15.

the government is considering a U-turn -- the wheels are falling.

:36:16.:36:25.

Can the Prime Minister 's confirm whether the U-turn is being prepared

:36:26.:36:30.

for not? First of all let me join the Right Honourable gentleman in

:36:31.:36:32.

praising those who campaigned so hard and so long to get justice for

:36:33.:36:36.

the victims of Hillsborough. This whole process took far too long but

:36:37.:36:41.

I think it is right, and I pay tribute to the honourable member

:36:42.:36:44.

that we had that Jones report and responded to it, and I also want to

:36:45.:36:48.

mention the former Attorney General who took the case to the High Court

:36:49.:36:52.

for the government himself to argue for that vital second inquest.

:36:53.:36:57.

Turning to the issue of academies, I have yet to see a rocket booster

:36:58.:37:02.

with a wheel on it, but rocket science isn't really my science, and

:37:03.:37:09.

maybe it's not his. I repeat again, academies are raising standards in

:37:10.:37:16.

our schools. I want a system where it is heads and teachers running

:37:17.:37:22.

schools, not bureaucrats. There wasn't much of an answer there, so

:37:23.:37:32.

can the Prime Minister tell us whether... If the members opposite

:37:33.:37:39.

would be patient enough, they might hear the question I'm putting to the

:37:40.:37:42.

Prime Minister, which is another very simple one. Could he tell us

:37:43.:37:46.

whether he will bring forward legislation to force, against the

:37:47.:37:52.

wishes of good and outstanding schools, to become academies in the

:37:53.:37:59.

upcoming Queen 's speech? Yes or no? Obviously I cannot pre-empt what is

:38:00.:38:01.

in the Queens speech, but on this one example I can help him out. We

:38:02.:38:08.

are going to have academies for all, and it will be in the Queens speech.

:38:09.:38:16.

Well, Mr Speaker, we look forward to that, but there is still time for

:38:17.:38:25.

the U-turn that I'm sure is at the back of the Prime Minister's mine.

:38:26.:38:29.

It has been reported that the government is considering allowing

:38:30.:38:36.

good local authorities to form multi-academy trusts. Ironically,

:38:37.:38:39.

this would give local authorities more responsibility for running

:38:40.:38:45.

schools than they have now. Although the Prime Minister's previously

:38:46.:38:47.

suggested that local authorities are holding schools back. So why is this

:38:48.:38:52.

costly reorganisation of school is necessary for schools that are

:38:53.:38:56.

already good or outstanding? Why is he forcing it on them? As I said

:38:57.:39:01.

last week, and I like repeats on television and I am happy to have

:39:02.:39:06.

them in the house as well, outstanding schools have nothing to

:39:07.:39:09.

fear from becoming academies and indeed have a lot to gain. Just

:39:10.:39:13.

because a school is outstanding or good doesn't mean it can't have

:39:14.:39:20.

further improvement, not least, because we want to see outstanding

:39:21.:39:24.

schools helping other schools in their area, often by being part of

:39:25.:39:28.

an Academy trust. He raises the issue about local authorities. To

:39:29.:39:36.

question so far, third question, third clear answer coming. Simmer

:39:37.:39:41.

down. Perhaps if you can deal with the anti-Semites in your own party,

:39:42.:39:45.

we might be prepared to deal with you a little bit more. Maybe we will

:39:46.:39:53.

come answer that. Of course there are lots of ways schools can become

:39:54.:39:56.

academies. They can convert and become academies, they can work with

:39:57.:40:02.

an outside organisation or work with other schools in the area all look

:40:03.:40:06.

at working with the local authority. Those schools that want to go on

:40:07.:40:10.

looking at local authority services are free to do so. Academies are

:40:11.:40:15.

great, academies for all our good policy, but what we are seeing from

:40:16.:40:21.

the Labour Party, I sense, is in favour of moving towards academy

:40:22.:40:24.

schools. When he gets to his feet, maybe he can save does he favour

:40:25.:40:30.

academies or not? Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister will be aware that

:40:31.:40:34.

sometimes repeats on television get more views than the first time

:40:35.:40:39.

round. The chief executive of the largest academy chain in London, the

:40:40.:40:44.

Harris Academy, has warned that a far more fundamental thing that the

:40:45.:40:49.

Prime Minister should worry about, whether school should become

:40:50.:40:51.

academies or not, is actually teacher shortages. The academies, Mr

:40:52.:40:58.

Speaker, don't want this, teachers don't want it, parents don't want

:40:59.:41:04.

it, Conservative councils and MPs don't want it. Who actually does

:41:05.:41:09.

want this top-down reorganisation he is imposing on the education system?

:41:10.:41:14.

Question number four, answer number four. Let's start with Michael

:41:15.:41:20.

Wilshaw, the chief inspector of schools. Somebody quite worthwhile

:41:21.:41:27.

listening to. Academies Asian -- academies in schools can lead to

:41:28.:41:32.

improvement and it is right to give more power to the front line. The

:41:33.:41:37.

OECD, they have been in the news today. The OECD say that they view

:41:38.:41:43.

the trend towards academies as a promising development in the UK

:41:44.:41:46.

which used to have a rather prescriptive education system. So

:41:47.:41:51.

they have supported it. What about endless Academy trusts who support

:41:52.:41:54.

it? He asked another question, very keen for complete at answers. If you

:41:55.:41:58.

shout, you won't hear the answers. He asked about teacher shortages.

:41:59.:42:14.

The fact is, there are more school places and more teachers under this

:42:15.:42:17.

government than there were under Labour. Why? Because we got a

:42:18.:42:22.

successful economy and we are putting it into our schools and our

:42:23.:42:28.

children's future. Mr Speaker, there are of course still record numbers

:42:29.:42:32.

of children in oversized classes and super-sized classes that is getting

:42:33.:42:38.

worse. And he feel he is looking for support for his academies proposal,

:42:39.:42:42.

he might care to phone up his friends, the leaders of Hampshire,

:42:43.:42:46.

West Sussex and his own Oxfordshire County Council, who are deeply

:42:47.:42:50.

concerned and opposed to it. He might care to listen to Council

:42:51.:42:54.

Carter, the Conservative chair of the county council 's network, who

:42:55.:42:59.

said the change will lead to a poorer education system --

:43:00.:43:03.

Councillor Carter. So why is he pushing it through with so much

:43:04.:43:06.

opposition and so much concern and such a waste of money when we should

:43:07.:43:11.

be investing in teachers and schools, not top-down

:43:12.:43:17.

reorganisation? I'm glad he is quoting Conservative council

:43:18.:43:19.

leaders, and because they keep the council tax than provide good

:43:20.:43:22.

services I hope we will see more of them in days' time. -- council tax

:43:23.:43:29.

down and provide. On teacher supply, just to be clear, 13,000 more

:43:30.:43:38.

teachers than 2010, to give a wholly accurate answer to his fourth

:43:39.:43:42.

question. Again he asked about who else would support academies. Let me

:43:43.:43:47.

quote Helena Mills of the burnt Mill Academy trust. She said she used to

:43:48.:43:51.

be very sceptical and resistant to academy status. But during the

:43:52.:43:57.

process of developing the academy I have been increasingly convinced

:43:58.:43:59.

that this is the way forward. That is what more and more people are

:44:00.:44:05.

seeing. That is why 1.3 million more children in good and outstanding

:44:06.:44:11.

schools. That is why almost nine out of ten converter academies are good

:44:12.:44:14.

or outstanding schools. We are very clear on this side of the house, we

:44:15.:44:19.

back aspiration and opportunity. We back investment in our schools. We

:44:20.:44:22.

want every child to get the best. It is Labour who want to hold back

:44:23.:44:26.

opportunity and have one size fits all. Mr Speaker, there seems to be a

:44:27.:44:30.

pattern developing here. The pattern is quite simply this. He

:44:31.:44:46.

has a Health Secretary that is imposing a contract on junior

:44:47.:44:49.

doctors against the wishes of patients and the public and the rest

:44:50.:44:55.

of the medical profession. He has an Education Secretary imposing yet

:44:56.:45:00.

another Tory top-down reorganisation that nobody wants. When will his

:45:01.:45:06.

government show some respect and listen to the public, parents and

:45:07.:45:10.

patients, and indeed, professionals who have given their lives to public

:45:11.:45:14.

service in education and health and change his ways? Listen to them and

:45:15.:45:21.

trust other people to run other services rather than imposing things

:45:22.:45:26.

from above. I tell him the pattern that is developing. We can see 1.9

:45:27.:45:29.

million more people being treated in the health service. We

:45:30.:45:35.

can see 1.3 million more children in good or outstanding schools. That is

:45:36.:45:39.

the battlements developing, a strong economy investing in public

:45:40.:45:42.

services. -- pattern developing. The other pattern I'm seeing is that I

:45:43.:45:49.

am on my fifth Labour leader standing at this box, and if he

:45:50.:45:52.

carries on like this I will soon be on my sixth.

:45:53.:46:01.

Mr Speaker, the Government package to help potential buyers of the Tata

:46:02.:46:04.

Steel site in Port Talbot is substantial, befitting the trend is

:46:05.:46:12.

bipartisan measures the government has taken to save this industry for

:46:13.:46:17.

top it stands in stark contrast with the distasteful, disrespect for

:46:18.:46:21.

contacts web of contrast of a Labour spokesman who said that it had been

:46:22.:46:25.

good for Labour. Could I ask if there is any indication that the

:46:26.:46:29.

package could help expedite the sale of the site, which could provide

:46:30.:46:33.

long-term viable future for well steal the we all hope for? I want to

:46:34.:46:41.

thank him for welcoming me yesterday and before come into his

:46:42.:46:44.

constituency yesterday, I visited Port Talbot and I met with the

:46:45.:46:48.

management and the trade unions. I had a very constructive discussion

:46:49.:46:52.

and I did actually meet the Conservative leader, Andrew RT

:46:53.:46:55.

Davies, who does an excellent job in the Welsh Assembly. If you want to

:46:56.:47:00.

be Speaker, you better stop interrupting everybody. It's not

:47:01.:47:06.

going to get you any votes! A little tip for you there. There is a

:47:07.:47:11.

serious point, which is that the areas where we could help are in

:47:12.:47:18.

power, procurement, on the issue of pensions. There is a very

:47:19.:47:20.

constructive conversation going on but I say again from this dispatch

:47:21.:47:25.

box, while I want to do everything I can to secure the future not only

:47:26.:47:29.

for Port Talbot but also for Scunthorpe and steel-making in

:47:30.:47:32.

Britain, we are coping with a massive oversupply, a collapse in

:47:33.:47:36.

prices from China, so we must do all we can. There is no guarantee of

:47:37.:47:40.

success but if we work hard, get a proper sales process and get behind

:47:41.:47:46.

it on a bipartisan basis, we can see success here. Following the

:47:47.:47:51.

Hillsborough inquiry, we join in all of the comments that have been said

:47:52.:47:54.

thus far in relation to the families and paying tribute all of the

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campaigners for justice. Mr Speaker, last night the Government was

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defeated for the second time in the House of Lords on the issue of

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refugee children being given refuge in the UK. There are many members of

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that house, as there are many members of this House, in all

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parties, including the primers to's wild side, who would wish us to do

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much much more in helping provide refuge for unaccompanied children in

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Europe at the present time. Will the Prime Minister please reconsider his

:48:24.:48:27.

opposition and stop walking on by on the other side? I don't think anyone

:48:28.:48:34.

could accuse this country of walking on by in terms of this refugee

:48:35.:48:37.

crisis. Let's be very clear about what we've done. First of all,

:48:38.:48:41.

taking 20,000 refugees from outside of Europe, which I think has

:48:42.:48:45.

all-party support. Second of all, last week announcing a further 3000

:48:46.:48:49.

principally unaccompanied children and children at risk from outside

:48:50.:48:54.

Europe that we will be taking. Third of all, in our normal refugee

:48:55.:48:57.

procedures, last year we took over 3000 unaccompanied children. But

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where I disagree, respectively, with their Lordship's house, is those

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people who are in European countries are in safe European countries. To

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compare somehow children or adults who are in France or Germany or

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Italy or Spain or Portugal or Greece... To compare that with

:49:20.:49:23.

children stuck in Nazi Germany I think is deeply wrong and we'll

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continue with our approach, which includes, by the way, being the

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second largest donor of any country anywhere in the world into those

:49:32.:49:39.

refugee camps. Just as in the 1930s, thereafter thousands... There's no

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comparison, Mr Speaker. Apparently, there's no comparison between

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thousands of children needing refuge in the 1930s and thousands of

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children it in Europe at the present time. Order, order! Order! I'm not

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interested in somebody yelling out their opinion of the honourable

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gentleman's question. This is the home of free speech. The honourable

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gentleman and every other member will be heard, however long this

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session takes. It's very clear. Mr Angus Robertson. Europol estimates

:50:21.:50:26.

that 10,000 unaccompanied children in Europe have disappeared. This is

:50:27.:50:32.

an existential question about the safety of vulnerable children. The

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Prime Minister thinks it is not the responsibility of the latest kingdom

:50:39.:50:42.

to help unaccompanied children in Europe, so I ask him, who has the

:50:43.:50:50.

moral responsibility to feed them, to clothe them, to educate them and

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give them refuge if not us and everybody in Europe? Let me answer

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that very directly. First of all, any unaccompanied child who has

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direct family in Britain and claiming asylum, under the Dublin

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regulations, can come to Britain, and quite right, too. But he asked

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the question, who was was once both refugees? The person responsible is

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the country in which they are in. -- who is responsible for refugees. You

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have to ask yourself, do we do better by taking a child from

:51:24.:51:27.

refugee camp or taking a child from the Lebanon or taking a child from

:51:28.:51:30.

Jordan than we do taking a child from France or Italy or Germany?

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And, as I said, to compare this to the 1930s is frankly to insult those

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countries who are our neighbours and partners. Thank you, Mr Speaker. ATP

:51:40.:51:49.

industries group based in Kalak would one of Europe's largest

:51:50.:51:55.

independent manufacturers of vehicle electronics and were last week

:51:56.:52:02.

awarded the Queens award for innovation. They export goods across

:52:03.:52:07.

the globe, with the international trade increasing by 50 this out last

:52:08.:52:12.

year. Will my right honourable friend join me in congratulating ATP

:52:13.:52:15.

and will he set out what the government is doing to support

:52:16.:52:21.

exporters to reach new markets? I certainly join her in congratulating

:52:22.:52:25.

ATP. It's very difficult to win at Queen's on for export so they do

:52:26.:52:29.

deserve praise. What we need to see in our country is... We currently

:52:30.:52:32.

have one in five SMEs that exports. If we could make that one in four,

:52:33.:52:36.

we could wipe out our trade deficit. We are courage and that through the

:52:37.:52:42.

work of UKTI. We are also encouraging it by encouraging

:52:43.:52:45.

reassuring, by getting the supply and components industries, for

:52:46.:52:48.

instance, for the automotive industries, to come back on shore

:52:49.:52:57.

and invest in Britain. In my constituency, family have lived and

:52:58.:53:00.

raise their family in a small village for many years. Despite full

:53:01.:53:04.

cooperation, they face an uphill and fruitless battle the Home Office,

:53:05.:53:08.

have had their driving licences revoked and are being forced out of

:53:09.:53:11.

a community they have served and invested in by a technicality around

:53:12.:53:17.

their business, the local shop. Will the Prime Minister look into this

:53:18.:53:20.

grossly unfair situation and work with me to achieve justice for this

:53:21.:53:25.

family? I'll certainly have a look at the KC mentions if he lets me

:53:26.:53:30.

know the names and the nature of the issues, and I'll make sure the Home

:53:31.:53:34.

Office look at it urgently. As the primers to will know from getting

:53:35.:53:38.

stuck in traffic on his way into Bath just before the general

:53:39.:53:42.

election last year, my constituency is plagued by high air-pollution and

:53:43.:53:47.

congestion. Given this government's commitment to invest billions of

:53:48.:53:51.

pounds in a Church, something that the previous Labour government

:53:52.:53:54.

failed to do in 13 years, will Prime Minister look at committing to look

:53:55.:53:57.

of the construction of the long overdue and much-needed missing

:53:58.:54:02.

A36-40 six Link Rd to the east of my constituency? I'll certainly have a

:54:03.:54:06.

look at what he says stop the makes an important point because some

:54:07.:54:09.

people think that if you care about air quality, there is no room for

:54:10.:54:13.

any road building but, of course, stationary traffic is much polluting

:54:14.:54:16.

than moving traffic and we have to make sure the arteries that serve

:54:17.:54:20.

all our constituencies are open, so I'll carefully at what he said but

:54:21.:54:23.

at the same time, we should recognise that air quality is

:54:24.:54:27.

improving, nitrogen oxides are down 17% over the last four years and we

:54:28.:54:31.

want to do more by introducing the clean air programme. With the UK

:54:32.:54:37.

facing our most momentous decision for a generation in eight weeks,

:54:38.:54:42.

does the Prime Minister think it makes more sense for us to listen to

:54:43.:54:45.

all of our closest friends and allies around the world or to a

:54:46.:54:50.

combination of French fascists, Nigel Farage and Vladimir Putin?

:54:51.:54:57.

Well, I'm glad he takes the English pronunciation of Farage, rather than

:54:58.:55:01.

the rather poncey foreign sounding one that he seems to prefer. I think

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that's a thoroughly good thing. Obviously, I think we should listen

:55:07.:55:09.

to our friends and our allies and as I look around the world, it's hard

:55:10.:55:15.

to find the leader of a country that wishes us well that wants us to do

:55:16.:55:19.

anything other than stay inside a reformed European Union. Mr Speaker,

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the new ISAs that were announced in this budget are very welcome. They

:55:26.:55:28.

will help people save for homes and retirement. Does my right Oracle

:55:29.:55:32.

friend will have seen in this morning's City AM, as much of a

:55:33.:55:37.

third of the gains a pension could make over a lifetime could be

:55:38.:55:42.

stripped. Can he tell me what this covenant is doing to make sure that

:55:43.:55:47.

firms investing people's hard earned savings reveal all the fees they

:55:48.:55:50.

will be paying so that people can choose what is best for them? He has

:55:51.:55:54.

fought a long campaign about this and quite rightly so. One of the

:55:55.:55:59.

things that saps people's enthusiasm for investing and savings products

:56:00.:56:04.

is the sense that they don't understand the fees and charges and

:56:05.:56:07.

don't know how much they are going to get out of them. What we've done

:56:08.:56:10.

is since last April, trustees have defined -- of defined contribution

:56:11.:56:17.

schemes... The FCA argument bids to making regulations with us during

:56:18.:56:20.

this Parliament requiring the publication of more costs and

:56:21.:56:25.

charges. -- the FCA are committed. I'm sure he will put us all the way

:56:26.:56:32.

to make sure it happens. The Prime Minister and his government did next

:56:33.:56:34.

to nothing to say the Scottish steel industry. It was left to the

:56:35.:56:42.

Scottish Government. Now the UK Government is breaking the promises

:56:43.:56:47.

made by both Tories and Labour to protect the Scottish shipbuilding

:56:48.:56:51.

industry. Why does the Prime Minister think that Scottish jobs

:56:52.:56:58.

are so expendable? Frankly, the Scottish Government and the UK

:56:59.:57:01.

Government should work together and one of the things we should work

:57:02.:57:05.

together on his procurement. And it is worth asking how much Scottish

:57:06.:57:10.

steel was in the Forth Road Bridge? Zero, none, absolutely nothing. Yes,

:57:11.:57:16.

what a contrast with the warships that we're building. Of course, we

:57:17.:57:21.

wouldn't be building them if we happen independent Scotland. So

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we've backed the steel industry with actions as well as words. Order! The

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House is excitable but it must simmer down. We must hear the

:57:37.:57:41.

honourable lady. Hatred and ignorance lie at the heart of

:57:42.:57:46.

anti-Semitism. And when those in public life express such views, they

:57:47.:57:50.

denigrate not only themselves but also the institutions to which they

:57:51.:57:55.

belong. Will my right honourable friend please reassure this House of

:57:56.:58:00.

his commitment to fighting this vicious form of prejudice? I think

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it is very simple. Anti-Semitism is effectively racism and we should

:58:07.:58:09.

call it out and fight it wherever we see it. And the fact that, Frankie,

:58:10.:58:13.

we've got a Labour MP with the Labour whip, who made remarks about

:58:14.:58:19.

the transportation of people from Israel to America, and talked about

:58:20.:58:22.

a solution, and is still in receipt of the Labour whip, is quite

:58:23.:58:25.

extraordinary. Let me tell you what the Shadow Chancellor said about

:58:26.:58:30.

these people. "Out, Out, out. If people express these views, they are

:58:31.:58:34.

out. People might be able to reform their views on the rest of it. On

:58:35.:58:37.

this, I can't see it, I'm not having it. People might say, I change my

:58:38.:58:44.

views and will do something with a different organisation". I'm

:58:45.:58:46.

friendly, there will be too many hours in the day before that happens

:58:47.:58:51.

the MP in question. One of my constituents was killed at the age

:58:52.:58:54.

of 25 by an 18-year-old driving a hire car without a licence. He was

:58:55.:59:01.

driving at 80 mph in a 30 mph zone. The 18-year-old was convicted of

:59:02.:59:04.

causing death by dangerous driving and received a sentence after six

:59:05.:59:08.

years, of which probably serve three. Two weeks ago, myself along

:59:09.:59:14.

with Joseph's family, delivered a 20,000 signature petition calling

:59:15.:59:17.

for tougher sentences for causing death by dangerous driving. Does the

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Prime Minister agree with me that sentences for these crimes are too

:59:22.:59:25.

lenient, and when can we expect to get a response to our petition and

:59:26.:59:31.

get justice for Joseph? Well, I have every simply with the family in

:59:32.:59:35.

question. I had an almost identical case in my constituency, where a

:59:36.:59:40.

young girl was killed I a dangerous driver. The maximum sentence is 14

:59:41.:59:45.

years, so the courts do have the ability to sentence more but I know

:59:46.:59:48.

what this means to the families. I'm making sure that the Minister for

:59:49.:59:53.

roads is looking again at these issues in terms of dangerous driving

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and I'll make sure the case she mentioned this taken into account.

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-- is taken. As the birthplace of the industrial revolution, Dudley is

:00:05.:00:08.

proud of its heritage but we need economic stability to deliver a

:00:09.:00:15.

prosperous future. Will the Prime Minister helped to launch the new

:00:16.:00:18.

enterprise zone in Brierley Hill, to look at how we can attract more

:00:19.:00:24.

investment, create new jobs and develop a highly skilled workforce

:00:25.:00:30.

our community needs? I will look very carefully, whether I'm able to

:00:31.:00:33.

do that, because we support the industrial regeneration of the Black

:00:34.:00:37.

Country. The truth is, enterprise zones have been a success. They

:00:38.:00:42.

created nearly 25,000 jobs, attracted over 630 companies and

:00:43.:00:45.

secured 2.4 billion of private sector investment. A lot of the

:00:46.:00:49.

delivery of enterprise zones is going to involve a lot of hard work

:00:50.:00:53.

by local authorities and I pay tribute to them and I wish him well

:00:54.:00:58.

in the Black Country. Given the strategic and economic importance of

:00:59.:01:03.

the M62 corridor to the northern powerhouse, can the Prime Minister

:01:04.:01:07.

give me and the people of Bradford his commitment to the

:01:08.:01:10.

electrification of the cold of a line, and lent his support for the

:01:11.:01:14.

great city of Bradford to be a fundamental part of the proposed

:01:15.:01:20.

northern powerhouse? We have made commitments knowledge

:01:21.:01:22.

of occasion in terms of North- South lines and East - Westlands stockpile

:01:23.:01:27.

look carefully at proposal she makes. Nuclear matters in Cumbria.

:01:28.:01:37.

We have a nuclear Gazzi at Sellafield. Defence work at Barrow

:01:38.:01:40.

and the prospect of serious investment in a new nuclear land at

:01:41.:01:45.

Moorside. Given the apparent opposition to nuclear from the party

:01:46.:01:49.

is opposite, can the Prime Minister confirm that the long-term decisions

:01:50.:01:52.

for both nuclear power and defence will be made in a timely manner? He

:01:53.:01:57.

is absolutely right that Cumbria does depend, to a large extent, on

:01:58.:02:03.

jobs from the industries that he mentions. Obviously, an Sellafield,

:02:04.:02:07.

we continue to invest in reprocessing and in the procedures

:02:08.:02:14.

that. We are also looking at redeveloping our commercial nuclear

:02:15.:02:15.

industries, starting with the vital decision that Hinkley Point, which

:02:16.:02:19.

could have very great benefits for other areas that want to see nuclear

:02:20.:02:23.

power stations. And, of course, Barrow is home to the development of

:02:24.:02:26.

our nuclear submarines and we will be holding a vote in this House to

:02:27.:02:30.

make sure we renew our Trident in full. The Prime Minister has just

:02:31.:02:37.

suggested that child refugees alone in Europe are safe. There are

:02:38.:02:43.

children's homes fall in Italy and Greece and over 1000 children will

:02:44.:02:46.

sleep rough in Greece alone tonight. How are they safe? 10,000 children

:02:47.:02:51.

have disappeared in Europe. How are they safe? The agencies say that

:02:52.:02:55.

children are committing survival sex. They are being abused, subject

:02:56.:03:02.

to prostitution and rape. It is not insulting other European countries

:03:03.:03:07.

to offer to help. They want us to help. So will he reconsider his

:03:08.:03:12.

position on the amendment before it comes back to the vote and stopped

:03:13.:03:17.

with his attitude to loan child refugees, putting this House and

:03:18.:03:27.

this country to shame? If we are helping other European countries,

:03:28.:03:30.

and we're helping other European countries, not least with the ?10

:03:31.:03:34.

million we was announced. But the crucial point is this. How do we in

:03:35.:03:39.

Britain best help child refugees? We think we help them by taking them

:03:40.:03:43.

from the refugee camps. Taken from Lebanon, from Jordan, when they to

:03:44.:03:46.

this country. That's what we're doing and we have a proud record. --

:03:47.:03:56.

bringing them to this country. Several small businesses I've met

:03:57.:04:01.

within Tadcaster last week are being treated appallingly by insurance

:04:02.:04:06.

companies. Four months after the floods Maclean's have not been

:04:07.:04:10.

settled and renewal premiums art being hiked to astronomical levels.

:04:11.:04:16.

-- claims have not been settled. The Government has introduced the flood

:04:17.:04:21.

scheme to help homeowners after flooding the stock does my right

:04:22.:04:23.

honourable friend agree with me that the same protection should be given

:04:24.:04:29.

to small business owners, to? First of all, I absolutely recognise the

:04:30.:04:34.

problem that he lays out. My constituency was badly flooded and

:04:35.:04:36.

some insurance company is paid out very quickly, others were not so

:04:37.:04:40.

fast. I understand when will look at what happened during the winter,

:04:41.:04:44.

we've got 82% of claims that have been paid out but what I would say

:04:45.:04:48.

to him and other colleagues is, where you have specific examples,

:04:49.:04:51.

the Secretary of State for farming, food and rural affairs will be very

:04:52.:04:55.

interested to see them so we can get on top of the insurance industry. On

:04:56.:05:00.

the issue of whether we need a flood restyle approached of small

:05:01.:05:03.

businesses, we will looks as if they're about to make sure the small

:05:04.:05:06.

businesses can get the insurance they need. Three years ago, whilst

:05:07.:05:12.

on holiday in France, my mother fell seriously ill. Thanks to the French

:05:13.:05:16.

health service, she received excellent treatment, was diagnosed

:05:17.:05:19.

with cancer, unfortunately, but she is doing well today, thanks to our

:05:20.:05:24.

NHS is well. Millions of Brits every year travel to other EU countries

:05:25.:05:28.

and benefit, like my mum, from the revered health insurance card. What

:05:29.:05:31.

would happen to that card should we vote to leave on the 23rd of June?

:05:32.:05:36.

First of all, our behalf of the whole house, can I wish Motherwell

:05:37.:05:39.

in her treatment and the treatment she is getting from the NHS? She

:05:40.:05:44.

raises an important point, which is, this is one of the important

:05:45.:05:47.

benefits we have now. Many of us would have used it ourselves or for

:05:48.:05:51.

our own children and we think we can make the system even better as we

:05:52.:05:54.

are. It is for those who want to leave the EU to explain, if we were

:05:55.:05:58.

to leave, would we still be able to access this and other such systems,

:05:59.:06:02.

which are very handy for people going on holidays? Whatever the

:06:03.:06:08.

outcome of the EU referendum, does the Prime Minister agree that one

:06:09.:06:13.

thing that will never diminish is the mutual affection and admiration

:06:14.:06:17.

between Britain and our great ally France? In that connection, will he

:06:18.:06:27.

paid tribute to the people who fought and won the Normandy

:06:28.:06:35.

campaign, such as the late Captain Paul Cash, who was killed fighting

:06:36.:06:40.

in Normandy at the age of 26, having won the military cross. He was the

:06:41.:06:43.

father of the honourable member, my friend the honourable member for

:06:44.:06:54.

stone, and Sergeant Peter Carne, who, at 93, is at Westminster today,

:06:55.:06:59.

who built the bridge is that May the break-out from the Normandy

:07:00.:07:04.

beachhead and who will be receiving a French award in a typically

:07:05.:07:10.

cordial gesture French allies. I join him in paying tribute all those

:07:11.:07:14.

who served, particularly those who fell in that heroic campaign. One of

:07:15.:07:20.

the proudest things I've been able to do as Prime Minister was to go to

:07:21.:07:25.

the 70th anniversary and go to that vigil, where our gliders came in to

:07:26.:07:29.

prepare for those landings and to go to Gold Beach and see the incredible

:07:30.:07:33.

work that was done, so we should remember what they did and we should

:07:34.:07:36.

remember what it was that they gave their lives for, which was to

:07:37.:07:43.

achieve peace on our continent. My constituent Debra has HIV that she

:07:44.:07:47.

contracted via a partner who received a contaminated blood

:07:48.:07:53.

transfusion. My constituent Neil has hepatitis, again from the controller

:07:54.:07:56.

tainted transfusion. He now needs a second liver transplant. Neither of

:07:57.:08:00.

them can hold down a full-time job because of the catastrophic effects

:08:01.:08:04.

of their health on the conditions so they absolutely rely on the support

:08:05.:08:07.

from the state that the Government is applied to slash in half. I asked

:08:08.:08:11.

the Prime Minister, why is the Government so willing to attack

:08:12.:08:14.

people whose only this take was to be unlucky? First of all, what we

:08:15.:08:20.

said before the election was that we'd set aside ?25 million to help

:08:21.:08:23.

those who were infected with HIV because of contaminated blood. We

:08:24.:08:30.

raise that to 100 million and we are currently consulting with all the

:08:31.:08:33.

groups about how best to use that money. We are going to be doing more

:08:34.:08:36.

than we said at a lecture on time and it is very necessary because

:08:37.:08:39.

these people have suffered through no fault of their own.

:08:40.:08:54.

A bit like Back to the Future, as six questions there, and we know

:08:55.:09:02.

that they went over some of the ground last week. He did go over the

:09:03.:09:09.

junior doctors strike in the final question saying that the government

:09:10.:09:15.

had it in for parents and patients. Whether we learned anything new

:09:16.:09:17.

compared with last week is another matter. We will discuss that in a

:09:18.:09:24.

minute. Before we do, what are the viewers thinking today? They agreed

:09:25.:09:28.

in the main that perhaps academies was not the issue to choose the

:09:29.:09:33.

second week running. John from Hemel Hempstead said the Jeremy Corbyn

:09:34.:09:36.

went on academies last weekend and it would have been better to go on

:09:37.:09:40.

the doctors strike this week. John Gray said he was saddened that

:09:41.:09:44.

Jeremy Corbyn missed an important opportunity to put meaningful

:09:45.:09:46.

questions about the junior doctors strike. Tim said that last week was

:09:47.:09:54.

a failure going on academies and a repeat was worse. John from

:09:55.:09:56.

Wakefield said Jeremy Corbyn was right to ask why once again there

:09:57.:10:02.

was a proposed top-down reorganisation in a very important

:10:03.:10:06.

institution, ie the children's education. It seems pretty evident

:10:07.:10:10.

the reason for what he's doing is the same as his reorganisation the

:10:11.:10:14.

NHS which is to privatise service delivery. Before we go on we are

:10:15.:10:21.

going to read a bit from Naz Shah who were talking about earlier, who

:10:22.:10:27.

stood down as Parliamentary aide to John McDonald over comments made

:10:28.:10:29.

that were claimed to be anti-Semitic and were certainly anti-Zionist. She

:10:30.:10:35.

has written a full apology to the Jewish community via the Jewish

:10:36.:10:41.

news. She says that she is sorry, someone who knows the scourge of

:10:42.:10:44.

oppression all too well it is important that I make an unequivocal

:10:45.:10:48.

apology for statements and ideas I foolishly endorsed in the past. The

:10:49.:10:54.

manner and tone of what I wrote in haste is not excusable. With the

:10:55.:11:01.

understanding of the issues I have now, I have to wear not that

:11:02.:11:09.

ignorance is not a defence. But that importance is the impact that the

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posts have had on other people. I understand that referring to Israel

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and Hitler, as I did, is offensive to Jewish people, for which I

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apologise. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I'm shocked myself that

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the language used in some instances during the Gaza Israel conflict. For

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this, I apologise. Since winning the seat Bradford West I have made a

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conscious efforts in areas around integration, building bridges and

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community development in and around Muslim and Jewish relations. Indeed,

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one of my first visit was to my local synagogue. If politicians put

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their hands up when they get something wrong it helps restore

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faith in politics and I hope that by writing to those who might have hurt

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I am practising what I preach and calling myself out. Lisa, this is an

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apology which presumably she hopes might spare her being suspended from

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the party. Would that be wrong if the Labour Party decide to keep her

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in the Labour Party and not suspend her? Listening to that it sounded

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like an incredibly genuine and difficult thing for her to do and I

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think it's right that she has so unequivocally apologised for what

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she said. At the heart of that statement is the recognition that

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the reason comments like that are so damaging it's not the impact on the

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Labour Party or Parliament it's the impact on people. To stick to what I

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said earlier, we have a process in the party and it's important we

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follow it. She is apologising to the Jewish community? But my

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understanding is that she wasn't advocating that British Jews should

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be sent to America, it was Israeli Jews. Shouldn't she apologised to

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the people of Israel? She said in the early statement that she did not

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really think about what she was posting at the time and she is

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sorry. But she did it. She was saying that the people of Israel

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should be mass deported to the United States. Surely she has to

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apologise to them, because she was not saying that British Jews should

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be mass deported as well. I'm pretty sure that would be even worse. What

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I would say is the important thing is she's made it clear she does not

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hold the views or subscribe to them fighting for the Labour whip. The

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Labour Party a policy and we should follow it and I made that clear to

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the leader 's office. You would be happy with her having the whip

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withdrawn? Pending an investigation. I don't think it's fair or right to

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pre-empt the outcome of an investigation. All of the points

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that she made should be considered and she should be given the

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opportunity to make the case but we have a policy in the party, and the

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reason that the policy and process is important is because it gives

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confidence to the outside world that we deal with these things in that

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way. It's not an isolated incident, there have been others in recent

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times and there's another issue for the Labour Party which is

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reputational. She made these comments and put out these posts

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before she was elected, so why was it not picked up? You made a decent

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point that a political party cannot just respond to problems, we need to

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be pre-emptive and make sure that they don't occur. I think that's a

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decent point and something I'll be considering. You do get Mavericks

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all over the place is Conservative Party chairman and with social media

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it is more difficult but there needs to be a process when people are

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putting out statements like that which are very extreme and which are

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being posted by very dangerous and radical groups that there needs to

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be a way of discovering or monitoring this as part of due

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diligence. It is about being proactive, I think. I'm sure you

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would agree that none of us should be complacent about what happens in

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our political parties and we should be proactive. What is happening? The

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most of my adult life, anti-Semitism was overwhelmingly the preserve of

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the far right, it is what the National front spoke about. Le Pen's

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father was a Holocaust denier and it was always on the far right of

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British politics where there was lingering Nazism, and when it rose

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up, it was slapped down. Why is this now coming from elements of the

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left? What I'd say first of all is that the vast majority of the Labour

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Party, and beyond the Labour Party on the left eye and these sort of

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things an affront to our values. I maybe wrong, historically, but I'm

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thinking, on the Democratic left, because the Russians had their

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pogroms, but on the Democratic left, they fought anti-Semitism. That is

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why so many Jews join the Labour Party in the 1930s, so why has it

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now become, in a small element on the left, such an issue? It is a

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minority of people and I struggle to understand how people can hold those

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sorts of views. I was really surprised recently when Luciano

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Burge put something on twitter with a series of abuse she had faced --

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Luciana Berger. She was being subjected to the most appalling

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content and images. Apparently she gets it on a daily basis, and I was

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shocked. As somebody who is not Jewish, I don't face that, and I

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didn't realise the extent of the problem, particularly on social

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media. I go back to what I said earlier. I think none of us can

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afford to be complacent, we need to be proactive. You are right on this

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point, Andrew, it's always been associated recently on the far

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right, but there is a far left element, and I was quoting Karl

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Marx, written in the 1840s, saying the essence of Judaism and the

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Jewish soul is expediency and. Judaism is the embodiment of

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anti-social attitudes. There is an element in the left that has always

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taken some of these views. It needs to be stamped out. Whether it comes

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from right or left, it is fundamentally wrong and it degrades

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our society. I think David Cameron ratcheted up the pressure on Jeremy

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Corbyn. He said it was quite extraordinary that she still had the

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whip was his quote. We should be watching this space through the

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course of the day. There has been, and certainly in the first time that

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I've been reporting on politics in 12 or 13 years based in Westminster,

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it's the first time really that we have seen this bubble up as a

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problem that affects the leadership of the party and where the

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leadership of the party has been sometimes, by the critics, open to

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the accusation of not acting swiftly enough when these things pop up.

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Like you, it seems to have become an issue now and I can't unpick the

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reasons, and the Labour leadership has tried. John McDonald was quoted

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early as saying out, out, out, that is what we will do. When out, out,

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out is not the immediate response it leaves the door open for people to

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have worries, to have a question in their mind about why things are not

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happening quickly enough. She is still a member of the home affairs

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select committee which is currently carrying out an enquiry into

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anti-Semitism, and people will make a judgment on that.

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It's also worth noting that the whole selection process in Bradford

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was a very messy, bruising situation with lots of Labour infighting. It

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was something we noted in the general election campaign. It was

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George Galloway. Yes but there was also Labour infighting to quite

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some... Well, a very striking degree, having gone there and looked

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at the story. There was an awful lot of upset into early in the Labour

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Party over the whole selection process. When they defeated George

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Calloway, many people in the Labour Party were delighted, "Oh, we come

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to be sold are problems in Bradford now," but I think the way this has

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popped up, by the end of the day we might be in a position where she is

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suspended. I don't think a suspension means she should be

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budget out of the party forever but I suspect there will have to be

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further action on this. Before you go, Laura, there has been

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speculation that some kind of U-turn or at least some kind of change of

:19:58.:20:02.

the Academy policy was coming. So how are we to read the Prime

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Minister saying there will be Academy is in the Queens speech?

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That has been the question, whether or not the government would bottle

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it on this policy to such an extent that they wouldn't even try to put

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the power to force schools to become academies into the Queen's speech.

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What Nicky Morgan is trying to juggle our knowledge of the moment

:20:24.:20:27.

is to give guarantees about small, tiny happy rural schools,

:20:28.:20:31.

particularly primary schools, where certain Tory MPs are worried. They

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could soften the principal? Yes, and don't forget even last week Number

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Ten was emphasising, "We've got six years to discuss all this so they

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could put the power there but mitigate how the stick could be

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wielded. So not a lot happening. Laura, are you taking the rest of

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the week of? Taking the rest of the month. See you June 24? I a comeback

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June 25. Not much will changed! When Jeremy Corbyn became Leader

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of the Opposition back in September, he said he wanted to make PMQs less

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aggressive, less confrontational - with the focus on policy,

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not personal attacks. In a moment we'll speak

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to an academic who says But, first, let's get a reminder

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of how the Labour leader has been Many told me

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that they thought Prime Minister's Question Time was too

:21:25.:21:29.

theatrical, that Parliament was out of touch and too theatrical,

:21:30.:21:32.

and they wanted things done differently

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but, above all, they wanted their Can I welcome him to

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the front bench and I had more than 1,000

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questions on tax credits. I'm sure we will have many strong

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exchanges that where we can work together in a national interest, we

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should do. I wish him well in his job.

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Paul, for example, says this very heartfelt question.

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Why is the Government taking tax credits away

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The year six pupils were very interesting.

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Hawan, Taznia, Eamon and Maryanne

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asked me to say this to the Prime Minister...

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Martin contacted me this week, who says...

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OK, it's very funny for many members opposite.

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I thought this was the new Question Time!

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I'm not sure the message has fully got home!

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We're joined now from Nottingham by Dr Peter Bull.

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He has co-authored some research which shows that Mr Corbyn's

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tactic of using questions from the public has had some effect

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Welcome to the Daily Politics. So what is the impact been? Good

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afternoon to you. We've done a study of Corbin's use of these questions,

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which are sourced remember that the public, and we used two measures,

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one of which we called reply rate. That's simply the extent to which

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the Prime Minister answers the questions that are put in. In that

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respect, we didn't find any effect. Cameron only gives direct replies to

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about 20% of the questions and that doesn't matter whether they're

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sourced from members of the public or not sourced from members of the

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public. But where we did find an effect was when we looked at

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personal attacks. Overall, David Cameron makes almost twice as many

:23:39.:23:41.

personal attacks on Corbin is Corbin does on him but when you compare

:23:42.:23:47.

questions from members of the public with those other questions, you find

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his rate of personal tax drops quite significantly and it's quite similar

:23:54.:23:57.

to that of Jeremy Corbyn. So it does seem that sourcing these questions

:23:58.:24:00.

from members of the public seems to have a significant effect on the

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personal attacks that Cameron is making. Not answering the question,

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of course, is a common strategy amongst politicians that we serve me

:24:09.:24:13.

experience here on a daily basis but it's interesting in terms of using

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the personalised questions. Has it contributed to making PMQs more

:24:18.:24:24.

grown-up and less confrontational? Well, personal attacks are

:24:25.:24:26.

confrontational and the issue is whether you are actually making the

:24:27.:24:32.

punch and Judy show, which David Cameron Atchley criticised when he

:24:33.:24:36.

first became leader of the Conservative Party, or whether you

:24:37.:24:38.

are discussing the actual issues concerned. There seems to be some

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effect on these questions are sourced from members of the public

:24:42.:24:45.

but there is a greater retention to the Michu rather than these Puncheon

:24:46.:24:51.

Judy politics. You had to sit down and watch 20 sessions PMQs in a row.

:24:52.:24:56.

Was that a depressing experience or an enlightening one? I found it

:24:57.:25:00.

really rather interesting, unlike a lot of people. We've done quite a

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lot of PMQs. We did 20 PMQs with Ed Miliband and David Cameron for

:25:07.:25:11.

comparison purposes and I find the fine details of communication very

:25:12.:25:17.

interesting. Lisa Nandy... It's like my worst nightmare! 40 episodes

:25:18.:25:21.

PMQs! And the repeats are even better, as we heard today. Isn't

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that the point of PMQs? It supposed to be adversarial. Whether you're

:25:28.:25:30.

using personalised questions from the public doesn't seem to have had

:25:31.:25:33.

that much of a dramatic change because the personal attacks are

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still level stop I think it has changed. I've definitely noticed a

:25:38.:25:40.

change in the field in the chamber. What hasn't changed is that Cameron

:25:41.:25:45.

still doesn't answer the question but when Jeremy uses questions from

:25:46.:25:48.

the public it makes it harder for him to be so personal and so brutal

:25:49.:25:52.

and it's quite noticeable that every time Jeremy reference is a member of

:25:53.:25:57.

the public, Tory MPs grown very loudly, so they obviously don't

:25:58.:25:59.

really like it and they don't want to be held to account in that way.

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And credit to him, all leaders of the opposition say they are going to

:26:05.:26:08.

change PMQs. Cameron said when he was Leader of the Opposition. Jeremy

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has actually done it. He has put his money where his mouth is, hasn't he?

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I don't know if you are one of those who groans when he asks questions.

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But the research doesn't look very good, does it, for the Conservative

:26:23.:26:26.

Party or for David Cameron, with his high use of personal attacks? What

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the study sheens to show is that politicians have more respect for

:26:32.:26:35.

the public than they do fall on another. The thing about PMQs, and

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it's interesting how Jeremy Corbyn moved away, is that it's one thing

:26:40.:26:50.

to read at a question and be a postbox for the electric buggy art

:26:51.:26:53.

of premises questions is to use the answer you get to take forward your

:26:54.:26:57.

case and be able to probe a bit further. In the early days, I

:26:58.:27:01.

thought he was ineffective because he would simply move on to another

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question from a member of the public without any analysis. Dr Peter Bull,

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thank you very much. 20 PMQs is nothing. I've just worked

:27:13.:27:15.

out that I've covered 400 since 2003! In the last few minutes, the

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Home Secretary has made a statement about Hillsborough. Yesterday the

:27:25.:27:28.

jury inquest concluded 96 Liverpool fans were unlawfully killed. This is

:27:29.:27:33.

what Theresa May has just said. The decision about whether any criminal

:27:34.:27:35.

prosecution or prosecutions can be brought forward will be made by the

:27:36.:27:40.

Crown Prosecution Service on the basis of evidence gathered as part

:27:41.:27:44.

of the two ongoing investigations. That decision is not constrained in

:27:45.:27:48.

any way by the jury's conclusions. The House will understand that I

:27:49.:27:52.

cannot comment in detail on matters that may lead to a criminal

:27:53.:27:57.

investigation. I can, however, say that the offences under

:27:58.:28:01.

investigation include gross negligence, manslaughter, misconduct

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in public office, perverting the course of justice and perjury, as

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well as offences under the safety of sports grounds act 1975 and the

:28:10.:28:16.

health and safety at work act 1974. I know that those responsible for

:28:17.:28:20.

the police and IPCC investigations anticipate that they will conclude

:28:21.:28:23.

the criminal investigations by the turn of the year. We must allow them

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to complete their work in a timely and thorough manner and we must be

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mindful not to prejudice the outcome in any way. That was the Home

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Secretary. There's just time to put you out

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of your misery and give Lisa Nandy, press that red button to

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find the winner. Well done.

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That's it for the Daily Politics today. We'll be back tomorrow on BBC

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Two at noon as usual. I hope you can join us.

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