27/04/2016 Daily Politics


27/04/2016

Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn are joined by Liam Fox and Lisa Nandy to discuss the latest news and debate from Westminster. Plus live coverage of Prime Minister's Questions.


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The Labour Party is facing a fresh row over anti-semitism after one

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of its MPs posted controversial remarks about Israel and the Jews.

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Naz Shah has apologised for Facebook posts she made before becoming an MP

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supporting the deportation of all Israeli Jews to America.

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She's stepped down as a Parliamentary aide to the Shadow

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Junior doctors are staging their second all-out strike -

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walking out of routine and emergency care.

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But the Government insists it won't back down.

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So there's plenty for MPs to quiz the Prime Minister on.

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We'll have full coverage of PMQs at midday.

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And, while we're on the subject of PMQs, Jeremy Corbyn said

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he wanted to make the weekly bout less confrontational.

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All that in the next hour and a half, and with us for the whole

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of the programme today the Shadow Energy Secretary Lisa

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Nandy, and the former Defence Secretary Liam Fox.

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Both Lisa and Liam have been tipped as future

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Although, now I've said that, it probably won't come to pass!

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However, without wishing to go too far, the next 90 minutes could play

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a key role in shaping the future of British politics...

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junior doctors in England have begun their second

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Once again senior doctors and other medical staff are having

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Junior doctors are staging the walk-out over the imposition

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Ministers say the change is required to provide safe

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Let's talk now to our Health Correspondent Smitha Mundasad

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who at St Thomas' Hospital in central London.

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The second day, and is the atmosphere and resilience the same

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as yesterday? The picket line behind me with a drum out here today, and I

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have been told that there few doctors on the picket line today

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that -- but the passion is still running high. The message is the

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same, that the contract is not fair and they will not accept it. The

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Department of Health have said that around 78% of junior doctors did not

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turn up for work yesterday which could be around one in five crossing

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the picket line. What has the impact been? Hospitals around the country

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have told us they coped very well. Some said that their accident and

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emergency departments were less busy than usual and perhaps the public

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heeded warnings not to come in unless it was a genuine emergency,

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but the question remains today whether more patients will turn up

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and the really big question is where both sides go from here. It feels

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very much like neither side is budging from their sticking points.

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Are they saying, the doctors you spoke to, that they would consider

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an indefinite walk-out if the government does not give in to their

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demands? They have been saying that all options are on the table. Some

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said to me that they brought their babies with them on the picket line

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and said, look, I have a family to think about and I don't know what to

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do if his contract lands on my door. Others say they might go abroad.

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Scotland and Wales are not imposing the contract, and there has been

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some talk of indefinite strikes, but hospital managers, one I spoke to

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yesterday, he said he did not feel the NHS could cope with an

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indefinite strike. The truth is that junior doctors have had to rely on

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the goodwill of senior staff to cover for them, and the question is

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how long will the goodwill stretch. Thank you very much.

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Liam Fox, used to be a doctor. The health service is already stretched

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doing what it does at the moment. How can you go to a seven day per

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week all up service with no more money? This has been one of the

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things that has come the entire dispute. --, located the entire

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dispute. It is not really defined in what the seven-day NHS was. Are we

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talking about a seven-day emergency NHS where we think it is patchy and

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needs improvement? We have always had a seven-day NHS, but are we

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talking about a seven-day elective NHS that does everything on a

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Saturday and Sunday, which you cannot simply deal with with more

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doctors because you need the ancillary and support staff. I have

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been asking questions about this and the Secretary of State has made it

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increasingly clear that we are talking about an emergency service

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and it shouldn't be that difficult to implement if you are just

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improving what we already have got and you are not moving to a full

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service. Are you saying that the government policy, as you understand

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it, is simply to provide better emergency cover? It already provides

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emergency cover at weekends. Are you saying the policy is simply to

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improve the scope and level of emergency cover? And to improve

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access to general practice. It's a different concept to move into a

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full elective service. What underlies this dispute is this

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misunderstanding about what it is we're trying to achieve. Greater

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clarity is setting out the policy from the outset, that would have

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been helpful. But to be fair, on the other side, we need to have an

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understanding that this is about pay and conditions and I don't believe

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any dispute about pay and conditions justifies putting patients at risk.

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Perhaps if the government had given more clarity, she said, from the

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start, we wouldn't be where we are now. Even if we had that, we still

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have the dispute about pay and conditions. There is another problem

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and we have to be frank about it, the NHS has had not enough doctors

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since its inception. The problem is exacerbated now by the fact that you

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have more elderly patients with more comics medical needs and you require

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more doctors to just stand still, as you were, in terms of the quality of

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patient treatment and we have to accept that we have a finite budget

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and we have to decide what the priorities are. We need a proper

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grown-up debate in this country because what medical sciences able

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to do is growing exponentially. Even if we are giving a substantial

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increase in funding we need a much better quality debate than we get in

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this country. Lisa, am I behind the curve, or is what Liam Fox said News

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to you as well? That this is just down to providing better emergency

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cover at weekends? It was news to me because this has changed over the

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course of the last few months and is changing it seems on a daily basis.

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The point Liam made was important because it's not clear what the

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government is now imposing on junior doctors. Because it's not clear what

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they are imposing it is not clear what the impact will be on them and

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patient safety. That is why we said earlier in the week, backed by the

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Royal colleges, that they should be piloted in a number of trusts and we

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could see the impact. Any sensible government would do it. We did it

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when we brought in a new covenant -- when we brought in a new contract.

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We shall see, it is an ongoing dispute.

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Naz Shah, the Labour MP for Bradford West,

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has stepped down from her role as a parliamentary aide to

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the Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell after controversial Facebook

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comments about Israel were unearthed.

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Miss Shah has also apologised over the Facebook post from 2014

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in which she called for Israel to be relocated to the USA.

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In August 2014, Naz Shah shared a graphic showing Israel's outline

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superimposed onto a map of the US with the comment "problem solved".

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And the following month she shared an image of a man

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with a number around his neck with the words "Never forget that

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everything Hitler did in Germany was legal" and the hashtag

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Yesterday the Bradford West MP,

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who was elected in May 2015, resigned from her position

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Ms Shah said: to shadow Chancellor John McDonnell.

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Well, we asked Naz Shah for an interview but she declined.

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We also contacted John McDonnell's office.

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to the statement he made yesterday saying he had accepted Miss Shah's

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resignation as his parliamentary aide.

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We also asked the Labour Party for a statement.

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Why has the whip not been withdrawn from her? My understanding is that

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Naz Shah has been called in to hold her to account for the comments she

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posted there and I think it's the right thing to do. Hold her to

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account? Do you expect her to have the whip with withdrawn? We have a

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policy in the Labour Party that people who make anti-Semitic remarks

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are suspended and an investigation is carried out. I don't want to

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pre-empt the outcome of the conversation that Jeremy is about to

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have but I have made clear my view to the office that the policy should

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be followed without exception. You would say that quite clearly those

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anti-Semitic remarks, never forget that everything Hitler did in

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Germany it was legal, with that hash tag. We heard views from the Jewish

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community today who found the remarks offensive. Do you not find

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them offensive? I do, and I think it was wrong to share those posts on

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social media and I think she was right to resign and apologise.

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Resigning as an aid is not the same as being suspended from the party.

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The party has suspended other people for saying similar things, so why

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are they not using that zero tolerance approach with an MP? I

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agree with you and I made that clear to the leader 's office this

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morning. As Louise Ellman, one of the most high-profile Jewish MPs

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said in the media this weekend, the vast majority of members of the

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Labour Party are not anti-Semitic and Avevor these views. It is really

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important that we make that clear to the country and give the Jewish

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community and the rest of the country the confidence that we take

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it seriously. This is a statement that has come from the Labour Party.

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What Naz Shah did was offensive and unacceptable and I have spoken to

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him -- her and made it clear. These are historic social media posts made

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before she was a member of Parliament. Naz Shah has issued a

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fulsome apology, she does not hold these views and accepts she was

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completely wrong to have made these posts. The Labour Party is

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implacably opposed to anti-Semitism and all forms of racism. That

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doesn't look like she will have the whip withdrawn. All I can say is

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that when I spoke to the leaders offers this morning they said she

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was being called in to see Jeromy personally and he was handling it

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personally, which is right as the leader of the Labour Party. Do you

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think she should have the whip withdrawn? I've made clear my view

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on the leader 's office that we should suspend anybody who makes

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anti-Semitic remarks in line with our policy and investigate. I don't

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want to pre-empt the outcome of it an investigation. We know this

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morning that she apologised and her local synagogue came out in support

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of her. It's right we look at the circumstances of what happened but I

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think the policy is clear, though we suspend and then we investigate. If

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the party does not move swiftly to deal with this, or certainly in the

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same way as they did with other people, and they say they are

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implacably opposed to anti-Semitism, it will leave the impression that

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they don't actually follow through on an issue that they say they are

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against. I think that's right and I think that is a problem for the

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Labour Party if we don't look like we are taking these things

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seriously. But what I would also say is that it's not just about the

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impact on the Labour Party. There is also a question of what is the right

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thing to do, and the right thing to do is to do a full investigation and

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make sure that we do not tolerate anti-Semitism in our party at all.

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You have said she has apologised for these posts, she has and she says

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that that is not her view, but it clearly is what she thinks otherwise

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she would not have shared her posts. You could argue that she has just

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been rumbled. I can't get into saying what somebody thinks. I think

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the apology was right. I think it is wrong to share those posts and I

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think they were very offensive. The question is what happens next. The

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key thing is that there must be an investigation and we have to make

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sure we are not just saying that we are opposed to anti-Semitism, but we

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are acting on it. The Shadow Chancellor said in a recent article

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in the Independent, out, out, out, that is how people with anti-Jewish

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views are dealt with. If people express these views, they are out. I

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am taking a harder line, he says, than the leadership so far because

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people might say I have changed my views and will do something in

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another organisation. So he does not believe people change their views.

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He also said in the interview that people who make anti-Semitic remarks

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should be excluded from the Labour Party for life, which is further

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than our stated policy. Do you agree with him? I don't know if I agree

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that people should be excluded for life because I think you have to

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give people a chance to say sorry and change and amend for what they

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have done. But what I would say is that there has to be a suspension

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and an investigation when something like this occurs, because it is so

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serious and it does have such a knock-on effect on people outside of

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Parliament in the real world. Liam Fox, anti-Semitism is not just

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particular to the Labour Party. It is an issue that other parties have

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dealt with as well over the years and decades. Do you think that

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Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell are sending a clear enough message? I

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think there are a number of issues. I don't think it is whether you

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share the posts but whether you share the sentiment behind them or

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whether you write them. That's one thing. Another is that these were

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done before she was selected and elected so there are questions of

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process here. How does this simply not get picked up in advance of an

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election, that a candidate is allowed to stand having these things

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out there on social media? And I think there is a wider problem. Alex

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Chalmers, who was the chairman of Oxford University Labour club, who

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resigned because he said there was a problem with anti-Semitism there...

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If that's happening at Oxford University Labour club, you would

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suggest it was a wider problem. So I think it is absolutely essential

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that a clear line is taken by the Labour leadership. Ever get us the

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withdrawal of the -- I think it has to be withdrawal of the whip. I

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think the problem here is that sympathising with the views, not

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necessarily the timing of the event. I think you're wider point is

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important because the Labour Party, the vast majority of members in the

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Labour Party, are not anti-Semitic and a poor those views. But

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anti-Semitism is found in every institution and every part of

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society and it's important that none of us are complacent. There's a lot

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of them coming out of the Labour Party at the moment, though. There

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have been a number of incidents in the last few months.

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And a number of suspensions. What is going through somebody's mind when

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you post "Let's not forget everything Hitler did was legal"?

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Some of the things that you see on social media are unbelievable. But

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she's an MP. She wasn't an MP when she posted them but I'm not saying

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that excuses. Eyes up is the criticism is, is the Labour Party

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being reactive rather than proactive?

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-- I suppose the criticism is. So, the referendum

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campaign is hotting up. And what would normally be fairly

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dry stories suddenly This morning new figures show

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a slight slow-down in economic growth in the first

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quarter of this year. The Chancellor, George Osborne,

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says "the threat of leaving the EU It's the latest salvo

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in the campaign, so, Jo, bring us up Earlier this month, the Treasury

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released analysis in which they claimed leaving the EU

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would cost British But Vote Leave called the study

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"completely worthless" and said the figures didn't add up,

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because they equated household Then last week, US President Barack

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Obama arrived in the UK to issue a warning on future

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US-UK trade deals. He said Britain would be

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at "the back of the queue" when drawing up future trade deals

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in the event of a British And Mayor of London Boris Johnson

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got himself into hot water after arguing the President's

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"part-Kenyan" ancestry may have led to a "dislike of the British

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Empire". On Sunday, Home Secretary

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Theresa May made her first should remain in the EU,

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but admitted free movement of people makes it harder to control

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immigration to the UK. And on Monday, leading Leave

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campaigner Michael Gove launched a campaign arguing Britain will face

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a migration "free-for-all" unless it Thanks, Jo Co. Liam Fox, the OECD

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this morning, probably the most famous international think tank, has

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now said that incomes in Britain will be hit if we leave the EU. So

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we've now got the OECD, the IMF, the IFF, the World bank, six US former

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Treasury Secretary is all saying roughly the same thing. What

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international think tank still you have in your side? It's a question

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of why they are saying these things and the assumptions that they are

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making. I think they are making many of the wrong assumptions. If you

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look at the Treasury's on report, for example, it assumes that we

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wouldn't have any bilateral trade negotiations that were successful in

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the opening period. It doesn't take into account the cost of regulation

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on British industry and the fact that we could be freed from some of

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that. So I think you have to look at the wider picture. I think that

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today's figures that Jo was referring to are very interesting.

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At one set annual growth, the Treasury would normally be saying,

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"That's wonderful". -- at 1% annual growth. We have these strong

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disruptions on the international stock markets so that's quite a good

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figure. I'm afraid that I think this rather childish obsession with

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blaming everything that we have in our economy on the European

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referendum doesn't wash. First of all, it was too far back and wasn't

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really affected by this. I understand that but let's come back

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to my question. Are you saying that you are right and the IMF, the IFF

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this, the World bank, the OECD, the US Treasury are all wrong? They all

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said we would benefit from being the exchange rate mechanism and they

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also will benefit from being in the euro and I we didn't listen to them.

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So you are right, a graduate of medicine from the University of

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Glasgow, and all these people - the IMF, the IFF is, the World Bank, the

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British Treasury, the US Treasury - are all wrong? I think they were all

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run on the euro. I think if we had followed their advice and we'd been

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part of the single currency, we'd now be facing what's facing many of

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the economies in Europe. The fact that we stayed out of that project

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was against all of the advice we were getting at the time and thank

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goodness John Major took that decision. So why hasn't Vote Leave

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managed to come up with a reputable and independent think tank or study

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that makes the right assumptions and shows the opposite of that? There

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was the open Europe report on it, Roger Bootle's report on it. Roger

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Bootle is a pro-leave economist. And these are anti-leave economists. So

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you can't say it's wrong to be an anti-BV economist because you are

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part... I would say open Europe is a fine think tank in this city. I

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would say it is not quite on a par with the IMF, the IFF is, the World

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Bank and the OECD. Excuse me if I'm not a great believer in the IMF's

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editing capabilities because back in 2013 the Chancellor was up in arms

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about them talking about how wrong we were to carry forward are sturdy

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programme. Six months later, they were revising to radically upwards

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are growth figures because they realised we'd taken the right

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decisions. They wanted us to join the single currency. We didn't do

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that. They have a very pro-European outlook. I don't say that they're

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wrong for doing that, I just think it's wrong for the UK. Lisa Nandy,

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doesn't Liam Fox make a decent point? I was looking back of the

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OECD's record. The OECD recommended that we should join the European

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exchange-rate in the 90s and it turned out to be a disaster, and it

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advocated that we should, in 1999... It didn't just say we should

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consider joining, it said we should join the euro. If it was wrong on

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these two massive things, why should we listen to it now? You don't have

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to listen to them if you don't want to. You could listen to Barack Obama

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and the US Treasury Secretary, you can listen to our Treasury, you

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could listen to a whole host of ignite experts, including the Bank

:23:18.:23:20.

of England, who are all saying the same thing. The Bank of England has

:23:21.:23:26.

been quite... It is only stored about short-term. The EU referendum,

:23:27.:23:35.

they think, will have a damaging effect on investment. You could

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listen to any of those experts if you want. You don't have to listen

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to the OECD. I don't agree with Liam. I remember when we were having

:23:43.:23:45.

the debate about whether to join the euro and you could actually find

:23:46.:23:49.

credible economists on both sides of the argument but what we are seeing

:23:50.:23:52.

with this... All these groups were on the wrong side of the argument.

:23:53.:23:57.

But it's really difficult to find anyone credible in economic series

:23:58.:24:01.

prepared to back your case and I think British people need to think

:24:02.:24:04.

about that very carefully in advance of the referendum because this is a

:24:05.:24:08.

really big decision that has gone to have a huge impact on our economy.

:24:09.:24:14.

Other than Roger Bootle, do you have people, credible in economic, who

:24:15.:24:19.

are on your side? I think there are people from the Mayor's financial

:24:20.:24:23.

adviser, who is a senior figure in the city, who has made an analysis

:24:24.:24:27.

and said that the City of London Police letter. You have to look at

:24:28.:24:31.

it in the wider context. First of all to take up this point about our

:24:32.:24:36.

own Treasury, our own Treasury were make this prediction in this report,

:24:37.:24:40.

which takes is 14 years ahead and without being disloyal to my

:24:41.:24:43.

colleagues in the Treasury, let's face it, they've got both the

:24:44.:24:49.

deficit figure wrong for this year and they got the growth figures

:24:50.:24:53.

wrong for this quarter. So prediction is a very dangerous thing

:24:54.:24:57.

to do. And I think it is important to see things in the wider context.

:24:58.:25:03.

We have a wider debate here than just this narrow element, because

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there's an element... I want to be in the EU and I've made it very

:25:09.:25:11.

clear because I want to get control of making our own laws. -- I want to

:25:12.:25:17.

leave the EU. These are huge issues. If you take one of them... You don't

:25:18.:25:23.

have greater control by stepping out of the European Union and refusing

:25:24.:25:26.

to actually take collective action on the big issues. Our financial

:25:27.:25:35.

service industry, which was the one that people said would be most

:25:36.:25:39.

attractor uncertainty over the referendum, has actually been the

:25:40.:25:41.

strongest part of our growth in this quarter. So it doesn't actually add

:25:42.:25:45.

up to all that that is causing uncertainty. What you're saying

:25:46.:25:51.

really doesn't make sense. The argument put forward by the Bank of

:25:52.:25:56.

England on this is that it will choke off investment because of the

:25:57.:26:00.

uncertainty created by the referendum. Companies are delaying

:26:01.:26:04.

decisions to invest and that long-term there will be an impact

:26:05.:26:08.

because of investment and trade. We are still getting more investment

:26:09.:26:11.

than any other part of the EU. Why are we getting more investment? If

:26:12.:26:16.

it's just being part of the EU, why are we getting so much of it in

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Britain? Let's leave that question. We could but we won't.

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We'd better not set up a secret WhatsApp group!

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I already have. Yes, Prime Minister's

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Questions is on its way. A lot going on again. The OECD

:28:44.:28:57.

report this morning. Is Mr Corbyn going to surprise us? I think there

:28:58.:29:01.

might be a surprise in that little bird has suggested to me that he

:29:02.:29:05.

might, again, go on the issue of forcing every school in England to

:29:06.:29:09.

become an academy. Didn't he do all six questions on that last week? He

:29:10.:29:13.

did all six questions that last week. Since then it's an issue that

:29:14.:29:19.

continue to be difficult for the Education Secretary Nicky Morgan.

:29:20.:29:21.

She had a pretty bloody exchange at the dispatch box with problems being

:29:22.:29:24.

put forward by her own MPs and has been suggested to me that Mr Colburn

:29:25.:29:29.

might decide to do that again. As ever, I would put a big caveat on

:29:30.:29:32.

that and if he doesn't, it was only a little tip, but I think you might

:29:33.:29:36.

do that. It's interesting because I think Labour believes genuinely that

:29:37.:29:39.

they are onto something with this, partly because there is a real

:29:40.:29:42.

unease among some of the Tory benches, among Tory local

:29:43.:29:45.

government, and we know already there are going to be two to this

:29:46.:29:48.

plan. Not a big climb-down but we know there are tweaks on the way.

:29:49.:29:53.

Talking to some Labour MPs, they were saying it's quite a big issue

:29:54.:29:56.

in Westminster but it's not a huge issue in the country. It may well

:29:57.:29:59.

not have cut through. It's the kind of issue that you think might become

:30:00.:30:03.

a big issue in the local elections next week, of course. We've got the

:30:04.:30:07.

biggest, most compensated set of elections we've had for some years,

:30:08.:30:10.

in fact the biggest set of elections will have in this Parliament, but it

:30:11.:30:14.

doesn't seem really, and you don't hear from MPs that it's happening on

:30:15.:30:17.

the doorstep, but it seems that Jeremy Corbyn has fixated on this.

:30:18.:30:21.

And he did well last week so maybe that's why he's returning to it. It

:30:22.:30:25.

is also des two of the junior doctors' strike. It was interesting

:30:26.:30:29.

that Jeremy Corbyn and Madonna chose to go to some of the strike sites

:30:30.:30:36.

themselves. There was an alternative. The pilot scheme is

:30:37.:30:43.

something he could urge, which would resonate with the voters more than

:30:44.:30:49.

another round. Yes, Heidi Alexander, the Shadow Health Secretary,

:30:50.:30:52.

together with syllable Democrats and a Tory backbencher, a forward

:30:53.:30:56.

doctor, put forward the idea of trying out the new contract in some

:30:57.:30:59.

hospitals, which was dismissed by Jeremy Hunt. Would I be right in

:31:00.:31:04.

thinking Mr Camara will try to work on something on the anti-Semitism

:31:05.:31:08.

row? It would to practice -- surprise me if he didn't. There is a

:31:09.:31:13.

Leicester there from Oliver Downes, so you would think it would be

:31:14.:31:17.

something he would raise. Indeed. David Cameron is always very well

:31:18.:31:20.

prefer prime and it is questions and armed with a list of things to choke

:31:21.:31:24.

back, not just a list of questions you expect to come along. This is a

:31:25.:31:28.

big issue for the Labour Party. It has been very controversial, it has

:31:29.:31:32.

become a problem for them. We've seen that with Jeremy Corbyn having

:31:33.:31:35.

to respond to it himself this morning. He's been accused of being

:31:36.:31:37.

too slow to respond to these problems previously and it may well

:31:38.:31:41.

be in any case that there should be a suspension and an investigation.

:31:42.:31:46.

Naz Shah has had to stand down from her job working for John McDonell

:31:47.:31:50.

but she is still there in the party. And that may not be the position by

:31:51.:31:54.

the end of today. It may not run but there is going to be pressure on the

:31:55.:31:58.

Shadow Cabinet members liked Lisa, saying maybe there should be a

:31:59.:32:02.

suspension. Is there a head of steam building up to suspend the whip from

:32:03.:32:06.

her? What we've seen on previous occasions like this... In the end,

:32:07.:32:08.

that's been the position, whether it's been local councillors, there's

:32:09.:32:14.

had to be a suspension on exclusion. It may well be that because of other

:32:15.:32:17.

events today in Westminster, the story sometimes fades away. That

:32:18.:32:22.

happens, too. Don't forget after Prime Minister's Questions, there

:32:23.:32:26.

will be a very serious and, I think, well attended, probably quite

:32:27.:32:28.

compelling debate, on the Hillsborough inquest yesterday. So

:32:29.:32:33.

in the way of these things, for good or for ill, in Westminster sometimes

:32:34.:32:36.

stories fade away, literally because a bigger thing comes along. But I

:32:37.:32:40.

think there is going to be pressure on Labour to take more dramatic

:32:41.:32:43.

action against Naz Shah, at least for the coming time. We should say,

:32:44.:32:46.

she's been clear that doesn't hold those views any more and it was a

:32:47.:32:50.

mistake. We will leave it there. Let's go straight over to the

:32:51.:32:51.

Commons. I would like to associate myself

:32:52.:33:42.

with the Prime Minister is important comments on the Hillsborough tragedy

:33:43.:33:45.

along with members on all sides of the house and pay tribute to the

:33:46.:33:50.

victims, their families, and the resilience of the campaigners who

:33:51.:33:54.

continue to strive for the pursuit of justice. In my constituency of

:33:55.:34:05.

easterly service the GPs provide is crucial to people's daily lives, so

:34:06.:34:12.

does the Prime Minister agree with me that recent key announcements of

:34:13.:34:18.

?2.4 billion of funding for GPs is only possible because there was

:34:19.:34:23.

strong, Conservative majority government. My honourable friend is

:34:24.:34:29.

absolutely right. We made a choice to put ?12 billion into the NHS in

:34:30.:34:33.

the last Parliament, 19 billion into the NHS in this Parliament, and we

:34:34.:34:38.

need to see strengthening primary care. Our vision is GPs coming

:34:39.:34:43.

together and having in their surgeries, physiotherapists, mental

:34:44.:34:46.

health practitioners, other clinics so people can get the health care

:34:47.:34:49.

they need and we take the pressure off hospitals. That will only happen

:34:50.:34:55.

if we have a government that keeps investigating -- investing in our

:34:56.:35:00.

NHS. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Yesterday, after 27 years, the 96

:35:01.:35:05.

people who tragically lost their lives at Hillsborough and their

:35:06.:35:08.

families finally received the justice they were entitled to. I

:35:09.:35:12.

welcome the fact that the Prime Minister has apologised for the

:35:13.:35:15.

actions of previous governments and I join him in paying tribute to all

:35:16.:35:20.

of those families who campaigned with such dignity, steadfastness and

:35:21.:35:23.

determination to get to the truth of what happened to their loved ones on

:35:24.:35:27.

that dreadful afternoon. I also paid a very warm tribute to my friends,

:35:28.:35:35.

the members for Liverpool Walton, Holton, Garston and Halewood, who

:35:36.:35:38.

have relentlessly campaigned with great difficulty over many years. I

:35:39.:35:44.

hope the whole house today will be united in demanding that all those

:35:45.:35:48.

involved in the lies, smears and cover-ups that have so bedevilled

:35:49.:35:51.

the whole enquiry will now be held to account. Last week, the Prime

:35:52.:35:59.

Minister told the house that he was going to put rocket boosters on his

:36:00.:36:04.

forced canonisation proposals. This weekend, in the light of widespread

:36:05.:36:09.

unease, it seems the Weald are falling off the rocket boosters, and

:36:10.:36:15.

the government is considering a U-turn -- the wheels are falling.

:36:16.:36:25.

Can the Prime Minister 's confirm whether the U-turn is being prepared

:36:26.:36:30.

for not? First of all let me join the Right Honourable gentleman in

:36:31.:36:32.

praising those who campaigned so hard and so long to get justice for

:36:33.:36:36.

the victims of Hillsborough. This whole process took far too long but

:36:37.:36:41.

I think it is right, and I pay tribute to the honourable member

:36:42.:36:44.

that we had that Jones report and responded to it, and I also want to

:36:45.:36:48.

mention the former Attorney General who took the case to the High Court

:36:49.:36:52.

for the government himself to argue for that vital second inquest.

:36:53.:36:57.

Turning to the issue of academies, I have yet to see a rocket booster

:36:58.:37:02.

with a wheel on it, but rocket science isn't really my science, and

:37:03.:37:09.

maybe it's not his. I repeat again, academies are raising standards in

:37:10.:37:16.

our schools. I want a system where it is heads and teachers running

:37:17.:37:22.

schools, not bureaucrats. There wasn't much of an answer there, so

:37:23.:37:32.

can the Prime Minister tell us whether... If the members opposite

:37:33.:37:39.

would be patient enough, they might hear the question I'm putting to the

:37:40.:37:42.

Prime Minister, which is another very simple one. Could he tell us

:37:43.:37:46.

whether he will bring forward legislation to force, against the

:37:47.:37:52.

wishes of good and outstanding schools, to become academies in the

:37:53.:37:59.

upcoming Queen 's speech? Yes or no? Obviously I cannot pre-empt what is

:38:00.:38:01.

in the Queens speech, but on this one example I can help him out. We

:38:02.:38:08.

are going to have academies for all, and it will be in the Queens speech.

:38:09.:38:16.

Well, Mr Speaker, we look forward to that, but there is still time for

:38:17.:38:25.

the U-turn that I'm sure is at the back of the Prime Minister's mine.

:38:26.:38:29.

It has been reported that the government is considering allowing

:38:30.:38:36.

good local authorities to form multi-academy trusts. Ironically,

:38:37.:38:39.

this would give local authorities more responsibility for running

:38:40.:38:45.

schools than they have now. Although the Prime Minister's previously

:38:46.:38:47.

suggested that local authorities are holding schools back. So why is this

:38:48.:38:52.

costly reorganisation of school is necessary for schools that are

:38:53.:38:56.

already good or outstanding? Why is he forcing it on them? As I said

:38:57.:39:01.

last week, and I like repeats on television and I am happy to have

:39:02.:39:06.

them in the house as well, outstanding schools have nothing to

:39:07.:39:09.

fear from becoming academies and indeed have a lot to gain. Just

:39:10.:39:13.

because a school is outstanding or good doesn't mean it can't have

:39:14.:39:20.

further improvement, not least, because we want to see outstanding

:39:21.:39:24.

schools helping other schools in their area, often by being part of

:39:25.:39:28.

an Academy trust. He raises the issue about local authorities. To

:39:29.:39:36.

question so far, third question, third clear answer coming. Simmer

:39:37.:39:41.

down. Perhaps if you can deal with the anti-Semites in your own party,

:39:42.:39:45.

we might be prepared to deal with you a little bit more. Maybe we will

:39:46.:39:53.

come answer that. Of course there are lots of ways schools can become

:39:54.:39:56.

academies. They can convert and become academies, they can work with

:39:57.:40:02.

an outside organisation or work with other schools in the area all look

:40:03.:40:06.

at working with the local authority. Those schools that want to go on

:40:07.:40:10.

looking at local authority services are free to do so. Academies are

:40:11.:40:15.

great, academies for all our good policy, but what we are seeing from

:40:16.:40:21.

the Labour Party, I sense, is in favour of moving towards academy

:40:22.:40:24.

schools. When he gets to his feet, maybe he can save does he favour

:40:25.:40:30.

academies or not? Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister will be aware that

:40:31.:40:34.

sometimes repeats on television get more views than the first time

:40:35.:40:39.

round. The chief executive of the largest academy chain in London, the

:40:40.:40:44.

Harris Academy, has warned that a far more fundamental thing that the

:40:45.:40:49.

Prime Minister should worry about, whether school should become

:40:50.:40:51.

academies or not, is actually teacher shortages. The academies, Mr

:40:52.:40:58.

Speaker, don't want this, teachers don't want it, parents don't want

:40:59.:41:04.

it, Conservative councils and MPs don't want it. Who actually does

:41:05.:41:09.

want this top-down reorganisation he is imposing on the education system?

:41:10.:41:14.

Question number four, answer number four. Let's start with Michael

:41:15.:41:20.

Wilshaw, the chief inspector of schools. Somebody quite worthwhile

:41:21.:41:27.

listening to. Academies Asian -- academies in schools can lead to

:41:28.:41:32.

improvement and it is right to give more power to the front line. The

:41:33.:41:37.

OECD, they have been in the news today. The OECD say that they view

:41:38.:41:43.

the trend towards academies as a promising development in the UK

:41:44.:41:46.

which used to have a rather prescriptive education system. So

:41:47.:41:51.

they have supported it. What about endless Academy trusts who support

:41:52.:41:54.

it? He asked another question, very keen for complete at answers. If you

:41:55.:41:58.

shout, you won't hear the answers. He asked about teacher shortages.

:41:59.:42:14.

The fact is, there are more school places and more teachers under this

:42:15.:42:17.

government than there were under Labour. Why? Because we got a

:42:18.:42:22.

successful economy and we are putting it into our schools and our

:42:23.:42:28.

children's future. Mr Speaker, there are of course still record numbers

:42:29.:42:32.

of children in oversized classes and super-sized classes that is getting

:42:33.:42:38.

worse. And he feel he is looking for support for his academies proposal,

:42:39.:42:42.

he might care to phone up his friends, the leaders of Hampshire,

:42:43.:42:46.

West Sussex and his own Oxfordshire County Council, who are deeply

:42:47.:42:50.

concerned and opposed to it. He might care to listen to Council

:42:51.:42:54.

Carter, the Conservative chair of the county council 's network, who

:42:55.:42:59.

said the change will lead to a poorer education system --

:43:00.:43:03.

Councillor Carter. So why is he pushing it through with so much

:43:04.:43:06.

opposition and so much concern and such a waste of money when we should

:43:07.:43:11.

be investing in teachers and schools, not top-down

:43:12.:43:17.

reorganisation? I'm glad he is quoting Conservative council

:43:18.:43:19.

leaders, and because they keep the council tax than provide good

:43:20.:43:22.

services I hope we will see more of them in days' time. -- council tax

:43:23.:43:29.

down and provide. On teacher supply, just to be clear, 13,000 more

:43:30.:43:38.

teachers than 2010, to give a wholly accurate answer to his fourth

:43:39.:43:42.

question. Again he asked about who else would support academies. Let me

:43:43.:43:47.

quote Helena Mills of the burnt Mill Academy trust. She said she used to

:43:48.:43:51.

be very sceptical and resistant to academy status. But during the

:43:52.:43:57.

process of developing the academy I have been increasingly convinced

:43:58.:43:59.

that this is the way forward. That is what more and more people are

:44:00.:44:05.

seeing. That is why 1.3 million more children in good and outstanding

:44:06.:44:11.

schools. That is why almost nine out of ten converter academies are good

:44:12.:44:14.

or outstanding schools. We are very clear on this side of the house, we

:44:15.:44:19.

back aspiration and opportunity. We back investment in our schools. We

:44:20.:44:22.

want every child to get the best. It is Labour who want to hold back

:44:23.:44:26.

opportunity and have one size fits all. Mr Speaker, there seems to be a

:44:27.:44:30.

pattern developing here. The pattern is quite simply this. He

:44:31.:44:46.

has a Health Secretary that is imposing a contract on junior

:44:47.:44:49.

doctors against the wishes of patients and the public and the rest

:44:50.:44:55.

of the medical profession. He has an Education Secretary imposing yet

:44:56.:45:00.

another Tory top-down reorganisation that nobody wants. When will his

:45:01.:45:06.

government show some respect and listen to the public, parents and

:45:07.:45:10.

patients, and indeed, professionals who have given their lives to public

:45:11.:45:14.

service in education and health and change his ways? Listen to them and

:45:15.:45:21.

trust other people to run other services rather than imposing things

:45:22.:45:26.

from above. I tell him the pattern that is developing. We can see 1.9

:45:27.:45:29.

million more people being treated in the health service. We

:45:30.:45:35.

can see 1.3 million more children in good or outstanding schools. That is

:45:36.:45:39.

the battlements developing, a strong economy investing in public

:45:40.:45:42.

services. -- pattern developing. The other pattern I'm seeing is that I

:45:43.:45:49.

am on my fifth Labour leader standing at this box, and if he

:45:50.:45:52.

carries on like this I will soon be on my sixth.

:45:53.:46:01.

Mr Speaker, the Government package to help potential buyers of the Tata

:46:02.:46:04.

Steel site in Port Talbot is substantial, befitting the trend is

:46:05.:46:12.

bipartisan measures the government has taken to save this industry for

:46:13.:46:17.

top it stands in stark contrast with the distasteful, disrespect for

:46:18.:46:21.

contacts web of contrast of a Labour spokesman who said that it had been

:46:22.:46:25.

good for Labour. Could I ask if there is any indication that the

:46:26.:46:29.

package could help expedite the sale of the site, which could provide

:46:30.:46:33.

long-term viable future for well steal the we all hope for? I want to

:46:34.:46:41.

thank him for welcoming me yesterday and before come into his

:46:42.:46:44.

constituency yesterday, I visited Port Talbot and I met with the

:46:45.:46:48.

management and the trade unions. I had a very constructive discussion

:46:49.:46:52.

and I did actually meet the Conservative leader, Andrew RT

:46:53.:46:55.

Davies, who does an excellent job in the Welsh Assembly. If you want to

:46:56.:47:00.

be Speaker, you better stop interrupting everybody. It's not

:47:01.:47:06.

going to get you any votes! A little tip for you there. There is a

:47:07.:47:11.

serious point, which is that the areas where we could help are in

:47:12.:47:18.

power, procurement, on the issue of pensions. There is a very

:47:19.:47:20.

constructive conversation going on but I say again from this dispatch

:47:21.:47:25.

box, while I want to do everything I can to secure the future not only

:47:26.:47:29.

for Port Talbot but also for Scunthorpe and steel-making in

:47:30.:47:32.

Britain, we are coping with a massive oversupply, a collapse in

:47:33.:47:36.

prices from China, so we must do all we can. There is no guarantee of

:47:37.:47:40.

success but if we work hard, get a proper sales process and get behind

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it on a bipartisan basis, we can see success here. Following the

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Hillsborough inquiry, we join in all of the comments that have been said

:47:52.:47:54.

thus far in relation to the families and paying tribute all of the

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campaigners for justice. Mr Speaker, last night the Government was

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defeated for the second time in the House of Lords on the issue of

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refugee children being given refuge in the UK. There are many members of

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that house, as there are many members of this House, in all

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parties, including the primers to's wild side, who would wish us to do

:48:14.:48:20.

much much more in helping provide refuge for unaccompanied children in

:48:21.:48:23.

Europe at the present time. Will the Prime Minister please reconsider his

:48:24.:48:27.

opposition and stop walking on by on the other side? I don't think anyone

:48:28.:48:34.

could accuse this country of walking on by in terms of this refugee

:48:35.:48:37.

crisis. Let's be very clear about what we've done. First of all,

:48:38.:48:41.

taking 20,000 refugees from outside of Europe, which I think has

:48:42.:48:45.

all-party support. Second of all, last week announcing a further 3000

:48:46.:48:49.

principally unaccompanied children and children at risk from outside

:48:50.:48:54.

Europe that we will be taking. Third of all, in our normal refugee

:48:55.:48:57.

procedures, last year we took over 3000 unaccompanied children. But

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where I disagree, respectively, with their Lordship's house, is those

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people who are in European countries are in safe European countries. To

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compare somehow children or adults who are in France or Germany or

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Italy or Spain or Portugal or Greece... To compare that with

:49:20.:49:23.

children stuck in Nazi Germany I think is deeply wrong and we'll

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continue with our approach, which includes, by the way, being the

:49:27.:49:31.

second largest donor of any country anywhere in the world into those

:49:32.:49:39.

refugee camps. Just as in the 1930s, thereafter thousands... There's no

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comparison, Mr Speaker. Apparently, there's no comparison between

:49:51.:49:52.

thousands of children needing refuge in the 1930s and thousands of

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children it in Europe at the present time. Order, order! Order! I'm not

:49:57.:50:05.

interested in somebody yelling out their opinion of the honourable

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gentleman's question. This is the home of free speech. The honourable

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gentleman and every other member will be heard, however long this

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session takes. It's very clear. Mr Angus Robertson. Europol estimates

:50:21.:50:26.

that 10,000 unaccompanied children in Europe have disappeared. This is

:50:27.:50:32.

an existential question about the safety of vulnerable children. The

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Prime Minister thinks it is not the responsibility of the latest kingdom

:50:39.:50:42.

to help unaccompanied children in Europe, so I ask him, who has the

:50:43.:50:50.

moral responsibility to feed them, to clothe them, to educate them and

:50:51.:50:55.

give them refuge if not us and everybody in Europe? Let me answer

:50:56.:51:01.

that very directly. First of all, any unaccompanied child who has

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direct family in Britain and claiming asylum, under the Dublin

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regulations, can come to Britain, and quite right, too. But he asked

:51:09.:51:13.

the question, who was was once both refugees? The person responsible is

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the country in which they are in. -- who is responsible for refugees. You

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have to ask yourself, do we do better by taking a child from

:51:24.:51:27.

refugee camp or taking a child from the Lebanon or taking a child from

:51:28.:51:30.

Jordan than we do taking a child from France or Italy or Germany?

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And, as I said, to compare this to the 1930s is frankly to insult those

:51:37.:51:39.

countries who are our neighbours and partners. Thank you, Mr Speaker. ATP

:51:40.:51:49.

industries group based in Kalak would one of Europe's largest

:51:50.:51:55.

independent manufacturers of vehicle electronics and were last week

:51:56.:52:02.

awarded the Queens award for innovation. They export goods across

:52:03.:52:07.

the globe, with the international trade increasing by 50 this out last

:52:08.:52:12.

year. Will my right honourable friend join me in congratulating ATP

:52:13.:52:15.

and will he set out what the government is doing to support

:52:16.:52:21.

exporters to reach new markets? I certainly join her in congratulating

:52:22.:52:25.

ATP. It's very difficult to win at Queen's on for export so they do

:52:26.:52:29.

deserve praise. What we need to see in our country is... We currently

:52:30.:52:32.

have one in five SMEs that exports. If we could make that one in four,

:52:33.:52:36.

we could wipe out our trade deficit. We are courage and that through the

:52:37.:52:42.

work of UKTI. We are also encouraging it by encouraging

:52:43.:52:45.

reassuring, by getting the supply and components industries, for

:52:46.:52:48.

instance, for the automotive industries, to come back on shore

:52:49.:52:57.

and invest in Britain. In my constituency, family have lived and

:52:58.:53:00.

raise their family in a small village for many years. Despite full

:53:01.:53:04.

cooperation, they face an uphill and fruitless battle the Home Office,

:53:05.:53:08.

have had their driving licences revoked and are being forced out of

:53:09.:53:11.

a community they have served and invested in by a technicality around

:53:12.:53:17.

their business, the local shop. Will the Prime Minister look into this

:53:18.:53:20.

grossly unfair situation and work with me to achieve justice for this

:53:21.:53:25.

family? I'll certainly have a look at the KC mentions if he lets me

:53:26.:53:30.

know the names and the nature of the issues, and I'll make sure the Home

:53:31.:53:34.

Office look at it urgently. As the primers to will know from getting

:53:35.:53:38.

stuck in traffic on his way into Bath just before the general

:53:39.:53:42.

election last year, my constituency is plagued by high air-pollution and

:53:43.:53:47.

congestion. Given this government's commitment to invest billions of

:53:48.:53:51.

pounds in a Church, something that the previous Labour government

:53:52.:53:54.

failed to do in 13 years, will Prime Minister look at committing to look

:53:55.:53:57.

of the construction of the long overdue and much-needed missing

:53:58.:54:02.

A36-40 six Link Rd to the east of my constituency? I'll certainly have a

:54:03.:54:06.

look at what he says stop the makes an important point because some

:54:07.:54:09.

people think that if you care about air quality, there is no room for

:54:10.:54:13.

any road building but, of course, stationary traffic is much polluting

:54:14.:54:16.

than moving traffic and we have to make sure the arteries that serve

:54:17.:54:20.

all our constituencies are open, so I'll carefully at what he said but

:54:21.:54:23.

at the same time, we should recognise that air quality is

:54:24.:54:27.

improving, nitrogen oxides are down 17% over the last four years and we

:54:28.:54:31.

want to do more by introducing the clean air programme. With the UK

:54:32.:54:37.

facing our most momentous decision for a generation in eight weeks,

:54:38.:54:42.

does the Prime Minister think it makes more sense for us to listen to

:54:43.:54:45.

all of our closest friends and allies around the world or to a

:54:46.:54:50.

combination of French fascists, Nigel Farage and Vladimir Putin?

:54:51.:54:57.

Well, I'm glad he takes the English pronunciation of Farage, rather than

:54:58.:55:01.

the rather poncey foreign sounding one that he seems to prefer. I think

:55:02.:55:06.

that's a thoroughly good thing. Obviously, I think we should listen

:55:07.:55:09.

to our friends and our allies and as I look around the world, it's hard

:55:10.:55:15.

to find the leader of a country that wishes us well that wants us to do

:55:16.:55:19.

anything other than stay inside a reformed European Union. Mr Speaker,

:55:20.:55:25.

the new ISAs that were announced in this budget are very welcome. They

:55:26.:55:28.

will help people save for homes and retirement. Does my right Oracle

:55:29.:55:32.

friend will have seen in this morning's City AM, as much of a

:55:33.:55:37.

third of the gains a pension could make over a lifetime could be

:55:38.:55:42.

stripped. Can he tell me what this covenant is doing to make sure that

:55:43.:55:47.

firms investing people's hard earned savings reveal all the fees they

:55:48.:55:50.

will be paying so that people can choose what is best for them? He has

:55:51.:55:54.

fought a long campaign about this and quite rightly so. One of the

:55:55.:55:59.

things that saps people's enthusiasm for investing and savings products

:56:00.:56:04.

is the sense that they don't understand the fees and charges and

:56:05.:56:07.

don't know how much they are going to get out of them. What we've done

:56:08.:56:10.

is since last April, trustees have defined -- of defined contribution

:56:11.:56:17.

schemes... The FCA argument bids to making regulations with us during

:56:18.:56:20.

this Parliament requiring the publication of more costs and

:56:21.:56:25.

charges. -- the FCA are committed. I'm sure he will put us all the way

:56:26.:56:32.

to make sure it happens. The Prime Minister and his government did next

:56:33.:56:34.

to nothing to say the Scottish steel industry. It was left to the

:56:35.:56:42.

Scottish Government. Now the UK Government is breaking the promises

:56:43.:56:47.

made by both Tories and Labour to protect the Scottish shipbuilding

:56:48.:56:51.

industry. Why does the Prime Minister think that Scottish jobs

:56:52.:56:58.

are so expendable? Frankly, the Scottish Government and the UK

:56:59.:57:01.

Government should work together and one of the things we should work

:57:02.:57:05.

together on his procurement. And it is worth asking how much Scottish

:57:06.:57:10.

steel was in the Forth Road Bridge? Zero, none, absolutely nothing. Yes,

:57:11.:57:16.

what a contrast with the warships that we're building. Of course, we

:57:17.:57:21.

wouldn't be building them if we happen independent Scotland. So

:57:22.:57:23.

we've backed the steel industry with actions as well as words. Order! The

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House is excitable but it must simmer down. We must hear the

:57:37.:57:41.

honourable lady. Hatred and ignorance lie at the heart of

:57:42.:57:46.

anti-Semitism. And when those in public life express such views, they

:57:47.:57:50.

denigrate not only themselves but also the institutions to which they

:57:51.:57:55.

belong. Will my right honourable friend please reassure this House of

:57:56.:58:00.

his commitment to fighting this vicious form of prejudice? I think

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it is very simple. Anti-Semitism is effectively racism and we should

:58:07.:58:09.

call it out and fight it wherever we see it. And the fact that, Frankie,

:58:10.:58:13.

we've got a Labour MP with the Labour whip, who made remarks about

:58:14.:58:19.

the transportation of people from Israel to America, and talked about

:58:20.:58:22.

a solution, and is still in receipt of the Labour whip, is quite

:58:23.:58:25.

extraordinary. Let me tell you what the Shadow Chancellor said about

:58:26.:58:30.

these people. "Out, Out, out. If people express these views, they are

:58:31.:58:34.

out. People might be able to reform their views on the rest of it. On

:58:35.:58:37.

this, I can't see it, I'm not having it. People might say, I change my

:58:38.:58:44.

views and will do something with a different organisation". I'm

:58:45.:58:46.

friendly, there will be too many hours in the day before that happens

:58:47.:58:51.

the MP in question. One of my constituents was killed at the age

:58:52.:58:54.

of 25 by an 18-year-old driving a hire car without a licence. He was

:58:55.:59:01.

driving at 80 mph in a 30 mph zone. The 18-year-old was convicted of

:59:02.:59:04.

causing death by dangerous driving and received a sentence after six

:59:05.:59:08.

years, of which probably serve three. Two weeks ago, myself along

:59:09.:59:14.

with Joseph's family, delivered a 20,000 signature petition calling

:59:15.:59:17.

for tougher sentences for causing death by dangerous driving. Does the

:59:18.:59:21.

Prime Minister agree with me that sentences for these crimes are too

:59:22.:59:25.

lenient, and when can we expect to get a response to our petition and

:59:26.:59:31.

get justice for Joseph? Well, I have every simply with the family in

:59:32.:59:35.

question. I had an almost identical case in my constituency, where a

:59:36.:59:40.

young girl was killed I a dangerous driver. The maximum sentence is 14

:59:41.:59:45.

years, so the courts do have the ability to sentence more but I know

:59:46.:59:48.

what this means to the families. I'm making sure that the Minister for

:59:49.:59:53.

roads is looking again at these issues in terms of dangerous driving

:59:54.:59:55.

and I'll make sure the case she mentioned this taken into account.

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-- is taken. As the birthplace of the industrial revolution, Dudley is

:00:05.:00:08.

proud of its heritage but we need economic stability to deliver a

:00:09.:00:15.

prosperous future. Will the Prime Minister helped to launch the new

:00:16.:00:18.

enterprise zone in Brierley Hill, to look at how we can attract more

:00:19.:00:24.

investment, create new jobs and develop a highly skilled workforce

:00:25.:00:30.

our community needs? I will look very carefully, whether I'm able to

:00:31.:00:33.

do that, because we support the industrial regeneration of the Black

:00:34.:00:37.

Country. The truth is, enterprise zones have been a success. They

:00:38.:00:42.

created nearly 25,000 jobs, attracted over 630 companies and

:00:43.:00:45.

secured 2.4 billion of private sector investment. A lot of the

:00:46.:00:49.

delivery of enterprise zones is going to involve a lot of hard work

:00:50.:00:53.

by local authorities and I pay tribute to them and I wish him well

:00:54.:00:58.

in the Black Country. Given the strategic and economic importance of

:00:59.:01:03.

the M62 corridor to the northern powerhouse, can the Prime Minister

:01:04.:01:07.

give me and the people of Bradford his commitment to the

:01:08.:01:10.

electrification of the cold of a line, and lent his support for the

:01:11.:01:14.

great city of Bradford to be a fundamental part of the proposed

:01:15.:01:20.

northern powerhouse? We have made commitments knowledge

:01:21.:01:22.

of occasion in terms of North- South lines and East - Westlands stockpile

:01:23.:01:27.

look carefully at proposal she makes. Nuclear matters in Cumbria.

:01:28.:01:37.

We have a nuclear Gazzi at Sellafield. Defence work at Barrow

:01:38.:01:40.

and the prospect of serious investment in a new nuclear land at

:01:41.:01:45.

Moorside. Given the apparent opposition to nuclear from the party

:01:46.:01:49.

is opposite, can the Prime Minister confirm that the long-term decisions

:01:50.:01:52.

for both nuclear power and defence will be made in a timely manner? He

:01:53.:01:57.

is absolutely right that Cumbria does depend, to a large extent, on

:01:58.:02:03.

jobs from the industries that he mentions. Obviously, an Sellafield,

:02:04.:02:07.

we continue to invest in reprocessing and in the procedures

:02:08.:02:14.

that. We are also looking at redeveloping our commercial nuclear

:02:15.:02:15.

industries, starting with the vital decision that Hinkley Point, which

:02:16.:02:19.

could have very great benefits for other areas that want to see nuclear

:02:20.:02:23.

power stations. And, of course, Barrow is home to the development of

:02:24.:02:26.

our nuclear submarines and we will be holding a vote in this House to

:02:27.:02:30.

make sure we renew our Trident in full. The Prime Minister has just

:02:31.:02:37.

suggested that child refugees alone in Europe are safe. There are

:02:38.:02:43.

children's homes fall in Italy and Greece and over 1000 children will

:02:44.:02:46.

sleep rough in Greece alone tonight. How are they safe? 10,000 children

:02:47.:02:51.

have disappeared in Europe. How are they safe? The agencies say that

:02:52.:02:55.

children are committing survival sex. They are being abused, subject

:02:56.:03:02.

to prostitution and rape. It is not insulting other European countries

:03:03.:03:07.

to offer to help. They want us to help. So will he reconsider his

:03:08.:03:12.

position on the amendment before it comes back to the vote and stopped

:03:13.:03:17.

with his attitude to loan child refugees, putting this House and

:03:18.:03:27.

this country to shame? If we are helping other European countries,

:03:28.:03:30.

and we're helping other European countries, not least with the ?10

:03:31.:03:34.

million we was announced. But the crucial point is this. How do we in

:03:35.:03:39.

Britain best help child refugees? We think we help them by taking them

:03:40.:03:43.

from the refugee camps. Taken from Lebanon, from Jordan, when they to

:03:44.:03:46.

this country. That's what we're doing and we have a proud record. --

:03:47.:03:56.

bringing them to this country. Several small businesses I've met

:03:57.:04:01.

within Tadcaster last week are being treated appallingly by insurance

:04:02.:04:06.

companies. Four months after the floods Maclean's have not been

:04:07.:04:10.

settled and renewal premiums art being hiked to astronomical levels.

:04:11.:04:16.

-- claims have not been settled. The Government has introduced the flood

:04:17.:04:21.

scheme to help homeowners after flooding the stock does my right

:04:22.:04:23.

honourable friend agree with me that the same protection should be given

:04:24.:04:29.

to small business owners, to? First of all, I absolutely recognise the

:04:30.:04:34.

problem that he lays out. My constituency was badly flooded and

:04:35.:04:36.

some insurance company is paid out very quickly, others were not so

:04:37.:04:40.

fast. I understand when will look at what happened during the winter,

:04:41.:04:44.

we've got 82% of claims that have been paid out but what I would say

:04:45.:04:48.

to him and other colleagues is, where you have specific examples,

:04:49.:04:51.

the Secretary of State for farming, food and rural affairs will be very

:04:52.:04:55.

interested to see them so we can get on top of the insurance industry. On

:04:56.:05:00.

the issue of whether we need a flood restyle approached of small

:05:01.:05:03.

businesses, we will looks as if they're about to make sure the small

:05:04.:05:06.

businesses can get the insurance they need. Three years ago, whilst

:05:07.:05:12.

on holiday in France, my mother fell seriously ill. Thanks to the French

:05:13.:05:16.

health service, she received excellent treatment, was diagnosed

:05:17.:05:19.

with cancer, unfortunately, but she is doing well today, thanks to our

:05:20.:05:24.

NHS is well. Millions of Brits every year travel to other EU countries

:05:25.:05:28.

and benefit, like my mum, from the revered health insurance card. What

:05:29.:05:31.

would happen to that card should we vote to leave on the 23rd of June?

:05:32.:05:36.

First of all, our behalf of the whole house, can I wish Motherwell

:05:37.:05:39.

in her treatment and the treatment she is getting from the NHS? She

:05:40.:05:44.

raises an important point, which is, this is one of the important

:05:45.:05:47.

benefits we have now. Many of us would have used it ourselves or for

:05:48.:05:51.

our own children and we think we can make the system even better as we

:05:52.:05:54.

are. It is for those who want to leave the EU to explain, if we were

:05:55.:05:58.

to leave, would we still be able to access this and other such systems,

:05:59.:06:02.

which are very handy for people going on holidays? Whatever the

:06:03.:06:08.

outcome of the EU referendum, does the Prime Minister agree that one

:06:09.:06:13.

thing that will never diminish is the mutual affection and admiration

:06:14.:06:17.

between Britain and our great ally France? In that connection, will he

:06:18.:06:27.

paid tribute to the people who fought and won the Normandy

:06:28.:06:35.

campaign, such as the late Captain Paul Cash, who was killed fighting

:06:36.:06:40.

in Normandy at the age of 26, having won the military cross. He was the

:06:41.:06:43.

father of the honourable member, my friend the honourable member for

:06:44.:06:54.

stone, and Sergeant Peter Carne, who, at 93, is at Westminster today,

:06:55.:06:59.

who built the bridge is that May the break-out from the Normandy

:07:00.:07:04.

beachhead and who will be receiving a French award in a typically

:07:05.:07:10.

cordial gesture French allies. I join him in paying tribute all those

:07:11.:07:14.

who served, particularly those who fell in that heroic campaign. One of

:07:15.:07:20.

the proudest things I've been able to do as Prime Minister was to go to

:07:21.:07:25.

the 70th anniversary and go to that vigil, where our gliders came in to

:07:26.:07:29.

prepare for those landings and to go to Gold Beach and see the incredible

:07:30.:07:33.

work that was done, so we should remember what they did and we should

:07:34.:07:36.

remember what it was that they gave their lives for, which was to

:07:37.:07:43.

achieve peace on our continent. My constituent Debra has HIV that she

:07:44.:07:47.

contracted via a partner who received a contaminated blood

:07:48.:07:53.

transfusion. My constituent Neil has hepatitis, again from the controller

:07:54.:07:56.

tainted transfusion. He now needs a second liver transplant. Neither of

:07:57.:08:00.

them can hold down a full-time job because of the catastrophic effects

:08:01.:08:04.

of their health on the conditions so they absolutely rely on the support

:08:05.:08:07.

from the state that the Government is applied to slash in half. I asked

:08:08.:08:11.

the Prime Minister, why is the Government so willing to attack

:08:12.:08:14.

people whose only this take was to be unlucky? First of all, what we

:08:15.:08:20.

said before the election was that we'd set aside ?25 million to help

:08:21.:08:23.

those who were infected with HIV because of contaminated blood. We

:08:24.:08:30.

raise that to 100 million and we are currently consulting with all the

:08:31.:08:33.

groups about how best to use that money. We are going to be doing more

:08:34.:08:36.

than we said at a lecture on time and it is very necessary because

:08:37.:08:39.

these people have suffered through no fault of their own.

:08:40.:08:54.

A bit like Back to the Future, as six questions there, and we know

:08:55.:09:02.

that they went over some of the ground last week. He did go over the

:09:03.:09:09.

junior doctors strike in the final question saying that the government

:09:10.:09:15.

had it in for parents and patients. Whether we learned anything new

:09:16.:09:17.

compared with last week is another matter. We will discuss that in a

:09:18.:09:24.

minute. Before we do, what are the viewers thinking today? They agreed

:09:25.:09:28.

in the main that perhaps academies was not the issue to choose the

:09:29.:09:33.

second week running. John from Hemel Hempstead said the Jeremy Corbyn

:09:34.:09:36.

went on academies last weekend and it would have been better to go on

:09:37.:09:40.

the doctors strike this week. John Gray said he was saddened that

:09:41.:09:44.

Jeremy Corbyn missed an important opportunity to put meaningful

:09:45.:09:46.

questions about the junior doctors strike. Tim said that last week was

:09:47.:09:54.

a failure going on academies and a repeat was worse. John from

:09:55.:09:56.

Wakefield said Jeremy Corbyn was right to ask why once again there

:09:57.:10:02.

was a proposed top-down reorganisation in a very important

:10:03.:10:06.

institution, ie the children's education. It seems pretty evident

:10:07.:10:10.

the reason for what he's doing is the same as his reorganisation the

:10:11.:10:14.

NHS which is to privatise service delivery. Before we go on we are

:10:15.:10:21.

going to read a bit from Naz Shah who were talking about earlier, who

:10:22.:10:27.

stood down as Parliamentary aide to John McDonald over comments made

:10:28.:10:29.

that were claimed to be anti-Semitic and were certainly anti-Zionist. She

:10:30.:10:35.

has written a full apology to the Jewish community via the Jewish

:10:36.:10:41.

news. She says that she is sorry, someone who knows the scourge of

:10:42.:10:44.

oppression all too well it is important that I make an unequivocal

:10:45.:10:48.

apology for statements and ideas I foolishly endorsed in the past. The

:10:49.:10:54.

manner and tone of what I wrote in haste is not excusable. With the

:10:55.:11:01.

understanding of the issues I have now, I have to wear not that

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ignorance is not a defence. But that importance is the impact that the

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posts have had on other people. I understand that referring to Israel

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and Hitler, as I did, is offensive to Jewish people, for which I

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apologise. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I'm shocked myself that

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the language used in some instances during the Gaza Israel conflict. For

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this, I apologise. Since winning the seat Bradford West I have made a

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conscious efforts in areas around integration, building bridges and

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community development in and around Muslim and Jewish relations. Indeed,

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one of my first visit was to my local synagogue. If politicians put

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their hands up when they get something wrong it helps restore

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faith in politics and I hope that by writing to those who might have hurt

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I am practising what I preach and calling myself out. Lisa, this is an

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apology which presumably she hopes might spare her being suspended from

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the party. Would that be wrong if the Labour Party decide to keep her

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in the Labour Party and not suspend her? Listening to that it sounded

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like an incredibly genuine and difficult thing for her to do and I

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think it's right that she has so unequivocally apologised for what

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she said. At the heart of that statement is the recognition that

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the reason comments like that are so damaging it's not the impact on the

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Labour Party or Parliament it's the impact on people. To stick to what I

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said earlier, we have a process in the party and it's important we

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follow it. She is apologising to the Jewish community? But my

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understanding is that she wasn't advocating that British Jews should

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be sent to America, it was Israeli Jews. Shouldn't she apologised to

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the people of Israel? She said in the early statement that she did not

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really think about what she was posting at the time and she is

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sorry. But she did it. She was saying that the people of Israel

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should be mass deported to the United States. Surely she has to

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apologise to them, because she was not saying that British Jews should

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be mass deported as well. I'm pretty sure that would be even worse. What

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I would say is the important thing is she's made it clear she does not

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hold the views or subscribe to them fighting for the Labour whip. The

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Labour Party a policy and we should follow it and I made that clear to

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the leader 's office. You would be happy with her having the whip

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withdrawn? Pending an investigation. I don't think it's fair or right to

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pre-empt the outcome of an investigation. All of the points

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that she made should be considered and she should be given the

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opportunity to make the case but we have a policy in the party, and the

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reason that the policy and process is important is because it gives

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confidence to the outside world that we deal with these things in that

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way. It's not an isolated incident, there have been others in recent

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times and there's another issue for the Labour Party which is

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reputational. She made these comments and put out these posts

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before she was elected, so why was it not picked up? You made a decent

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point that a political party cannot just respond to problems, we need to

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be pre-emptive and make sure that they don't occur. I think that's a

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decent point and something I'll be considering. You do get Mavericks

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all over the place is Conservative Party chairman and with social media

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it is more difficult but there needs to be a process when people are

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putting out statements like that which are very extreme and which are

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being posted by very dangerous and radical groups that there needs to

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be a way of discovering or monitoring this as part of due

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diligence. It is about being proactive, I think. I'm sure you

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would agree that none of us should be complacent about what happens in

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our political parties and we should be proactive. What is happening? The

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most of my adult life, anti-Semitism was overwhelmingly the preserve of

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the far right, it is what the National front spoke about. Le Pen's

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father was a Holocaust denier and it was always on the far right of

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British politics where there was lingering Nazism, and when it rose

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up, it was slapped down. Why is this now coming from elements of the

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left? What I'd say first of all is that the vast majority of the Labour

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Party, and beyond the Labour Party on the left eye and these sort of

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things an affront to our values. I maybe wrong, historically, but I'm

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thinking, on the Democratic left, because the Russians had their

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pogroms, but on the Democratic left, they fought anti-Semitism. That is

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why so many Jews join the Labour Party in the 1930s, so why has it

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now become, in a small element on the left, such an issue? It is a

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minority of people and I struggle to understand how people can hold those

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sorts of views. I was really surprised recently when Luciano

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Burge put something on twitter with a series of abuse she had faced --

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Luciana Berger. She was being subjected to the most appalling

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content and images. Apparently she gets it on a daily basis, and I was

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shocked. As somebody who is not Jewish, I don't face that, and I

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didn't realise the extent of the problem, particularly on social

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media. I go back to what I said earlier. I think none of us can

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afford to be complacent, we need to be proactive. You are right on this

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point, Andrew, it's always been associated recently on the far

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right, but there is a far left element, and I was quoting Karl

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Marx, written in the 1840s, saying the essence of Judaism and the

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Jewish soul is expediency and. Judaism is the embodiment of

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anti-social attitudes. There is an element in the left that has always

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taken some of these views. It needs to be stamped out. Whether it comes

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from right or left, it is fundamentally wrong and it degrades

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our society. I think David Cameron ratcheted up the pressure on Jeremy

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Corbyn. He said it was quite extraordinary that she still had the

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whip was his quote. We should be watching this space through the

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course of the day. There has been, and certainly in the first time that

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I've been reporting on politics in 12 or 13 years based in Westminster,

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it's the first time really that we have seen this bubble up as a

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problem that affects the leadership of the party and where the

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leadership of the party has been sometimes, by the critics, open to

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the accusation of not acting swiftly enough when these things pop up.

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Like you, it seems to have become an issue now and I can't unpick the

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reasons, and the Labour leadership has tried. John McDonald was quoted

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early as saying out, out, out, that is what we will do. When out, out,

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out is not the immediate response it leaves the door open for people to

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have worries, to have a question in their mind about why things are not

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happening quickly enough. She is still a member of the home affairs

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select committee which is currently carrying out an enquiry into

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anti-Semitism, and people will make a judgment on that.

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It's also worth noting that the whole selection process in Bradford

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was a very messy, bruising situation with lots of Labour infighting. It

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was something we noted in the general election campaign. It was

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George Galloway. Yes but there was also Labour infighting to quite

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some... Well, a very striking degree, having gone there and looked

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at the story. There was an awful lot of upset into early in the Labour

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Party over the whole selection process. When they defeated George

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Calloway, many people in the Labour Party were delighted, "Oh, we come

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to be sold are problems in Bradford now," but I think the way this has

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popped up, by the end of the day we might be in a position where she is

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suspended. I don't think a suspension means she should be

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budget out of the party forever but I suspect there will have to be

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further action on this. Before you go, Laura, there has been

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speculation that some kind of U-turn or at least some kind of change of

:19:58.:20:02.

the Academy policy was coming. So how are we to read the Prime

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Minister saying there will be Academy is in the Queens speech?

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That has been the question, whether or not the government would bottle

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it on this policy to such an extent that they wouldn't even try to put

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the power to force schools to become academies into the Queen's speech.

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What Nicky Morgan is trying to juggle our knowledge of the moment

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is to give guarantees about small, tiny happy rural schools,

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particularly primary schools, where certain Tory MPs are worried. They

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could soften the principal? Yes, and don't forget even last week Number

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Ten was emphasising, "We've got six years to discuss all this so they

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could put the power there but mitigate how the stick could be

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wielded. So not a lot happening. Laura, are you taking the rest of

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the week of? Taking the rest of the month. See you June 24? I a comeback

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June 25. Not much will changed! When Jeremy Corbyn became Leader

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of the Opposition back in September, he said he wanted to make PMQs less

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aggressive, less confrontational - with the focus on policy,

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not personal attacks. In a moment we'll speak

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to an academic who says But, first, let's get a reminder

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of how the Labour leader has been Many told me

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that they thought Prime Minister's Question Time was too

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theatrical, that Parliament was out of touch and too theatrical,

:21:30.:21:32.

and they wanted things done differently

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but, above all, they wanted their Can I welcome him to

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the front bench and I had more than 1,000

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questions on tax credits. I'm sure we will have many strong

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exchanges that where we can work together in a national interest, we

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should do. I wish him well in his job.

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Paul, for example, says this very heartfelt question.

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Why is the Government taking tax credits away

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The year six pupils were very interesting.

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Hawan, Taznia, Eamon and Maryanne

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asked me to say this to the Prime Minister...

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Martin contacted me this week, who says...

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OK, it's very funny for many members opposite.

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I thought this was the new Question Time!

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I'm not sure the message has fully got home!

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We're joined now from Nottingham by Dr Peter Bull.

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He has co-authored some research which shows that Mr Corbyn's

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tactic of using questions from the public has had some effect

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Welcome to the Daily Politics. So what is the impact been? Good

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afternoon to you. We've done a study of Corbin's use of these questions,

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which are sourced remember that the public, and we used two measures,

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one of which we called reply rate. That's simply the extent to which

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the Prime Minister answers the questions that are put in. In that

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respect, we didn't find any effect. Cameron only gives direct replies to

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about 20% of the questions and that doesn't matter whether they're

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sourced from members of the public or not sourced from members of the

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public. But where we did find an effect was when we looked at

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personal attacks. Overall, David Cameron makes almost twice as many

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personal attacks on Corbin is Corbin does on him but when you compare

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questions from members of the public with those other questions, you find

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his rate of personal tax drops quite significantly and it's quite similar

:23:54.:23:57.

to that of Jeremy Corbyn. So it does seem that sourcing these questions

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from members of the public seems to have a significant effect on the

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personal attacks that Cameron is making. Not answering the question,

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of course, is a common strategy amongst politicians that we serve me

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experience here on a daily basis but it's interesting in terms of using

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the personalised questions. Has it contributed to making PMQs more

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grown-up and less confrontational? Well, personal attacks are

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confrontational and the issue is whether you are actually making the

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punch and Judy show, which David Cameron Atchley criticised when he

:24:33.:24:36.

first became leader of the Conservative Party, or whether you

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are discussing the actual issues concerned. There seems to be some

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effect on these questions are sourced from members of the public

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but there is a greater retention to the Michu rather than these Puncheon

:24:46.:24:51.

Judy politics. You had to sit down and watch 20 sessions PMQs in a row.

:24:52.:24:56.

Was that a depressing experience or an enlightening one? I found it

:24:57.:25:00.

really rather interesting, unlike a lot of people. We've done quite a

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lot of PMQs. We did 20 PMQs with Ed Miliband and David Cameron for

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comparison purposes and I find the fine details of communication very

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interesting. Lisa Nandy... It's like my worst nightmare! 40 episodes

:25:18.:25:21.

PMQs! And the repeats are even better, as we heard today. Isn't

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that the point of PMQs? It supposed to be adversarial. Whether you're

:25:28.:25:30.

using personalised questions from the public doesn't seem to have had

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that much of a dramatic change because the personal attacks are

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still level stop I think it has changed. I've definitely noticed a

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change in the field in the chamber. What hasn't changed is that Cameron

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still doesn't answer the question but when Jeremy uses questions from

:25:46.:25:48.

the public it makes it harder for him to be so personal and so brutal

:25:49.:25:52.

and it's quite noticeable that every time Jeremy reference is a member of

:25:53.:25:57.

the public, Tory MPs grown very loudly, so they obviously don't

:25:58.:25:59.

really like it and they don't want to be held to account in that way.

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And credit to him, all leaders of the opposition say they are going to

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change PMQs. Cameron said when he was Leader of the Opposition. Jeremy

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has actually done it. He has put his money where his mouth is, hasn't he?

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I don't know if you are one of those who groans when he asks questions.

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But the research doesn't look very good, does it, for the Conservative

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Party or for David Cameron, with his high use of personal attacks? What

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the study sheens to show is that politicians have more respect for

:26:32.:26:35.

the public than they do fall on another. The thing about PMQs, and

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it's interesting how Jeremy Corbyn moved away, is that it's one thing

:26:40.:26:50.

to read at a question and be a postbox for the electric buggy art

:26:51.:26:53.

of premises questions is to use the answer you get to take forward your

:26:54.:26:57.

case and be able to probe a bit further. In the early days, I

:26:58.:27:01.

thought he was ineffective because he would simply move on to another

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question from a member of the public without any analysis. Dr Peter Bull,

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thank you very much. 20 PMQs is nothing. I've just worked

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out that I've covered 400 since 2003! In the last few minutes, the

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Home Secretary has made a statement about Hillsborough. Yesterday the

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jury inquest concluded 96 Liverpool fans were unlawfully killed. This is

:27:29.:27:33.

what Theresa May has just said. The decision about whether any criminal

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prosecution or prosecutions can be brought forward will be made by the

:27:36.:27:40.

Crown Prosecution Service on the basis of evidence gathered as part

:27:41.:27:44.

of the two ongoing investigations. That decision is not constrained in

:27:45.:27:48.

any way by the jury's conclusions. The House will understand that I

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cannot comment in detail on matters that may lead to a criminal

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investigation. I can, however, say that the offences under

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investigation include gross negligence, manslaughter, misconduct

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in public office, perverting the course of justice and perjury, as

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well as offences under the safety of sports grounds act 1975 and the

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health and safety at work act 1974. I know that those responsible for

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the police and IPCC investigations anticipate that they will conclude

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the criminal investigations by the turn of the year. We must allow them

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to complete their work in a timely and thorough manner and we must be

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mindful not to prejudice the outcome in any way. That was the Home

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Secretary. There's just time to put you out

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of your misery and give Lisa Nandy, press that red button to

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find the winner. Well done.

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That's it for the Daily Politics today. We'll be back tomorrow on BBC

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Two at noon as usual. I hope you can join us.

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Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn are joined by former defence secretary Liam Fox and shadow energy secretary Lisa Nandy to discuss the latest news and debate from Westminster. Plus live coverage of Prime Minister's Questions.


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