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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics. | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
There are more than 400,000 more people in work than a year ago - | :00:41. | :00:44. | |
but are most of those new jobs going to immigrants? | :00:45. | :00:51. | |
but will the raft of bills she announced do anything | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
to distract from the referendum debate raging in the Conservative | :00:55. | :00:56. | |
An Egyptair airliner with more than 60 people on board - | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
including one Briton - goes missing en route | :01:01. | :01:02. | |
from Paris to Cairo - we'll bring you the latest. | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
And what happens when MPs try their hand at stand-up comedy? | :01:07. | :01:16. | |
Unfortunately, Mr Speaker, in the medical context, PR does not stand | :01:17. | :01:22. | |
for public relations. But is shorthand for the top of examination | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
that involves putting on rubber gloves, applying gel and asking a | :01:26. | :01:33. | |
man to cough! All that in the next hour | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
and with us for the duration today - our own comic genius - | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
the General Secretary of the Trades Union Congress - | :01:41. | :01:42. | |
or TUC - Frances O'Grady. First this morning - | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
more than half of the new jobs created in the UK in last years went | :01:46. | :01:56. | |
to non-UK nationals from the EU - that's according to figures released | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
yeasterday by the Office The ONS said that 409,000 more | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
people are in work than a year ago The number of non-UK nationals | :02:07. | :02:16. | |
from the EU working in the UK increased by 224,000 | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
to 2.15 million. So EU migrants made up | :02:20. | :02:26. | |
55% of the increase The figures have been seized | :02:27. | :02:28. | |
upon by those campaigning for us Former work and Pension Secretary, | :02:29. | :02:37. | |
Iain Duncan Smith, said "the truth is that it | :02:38. | :02:45. | |
is Brits on low pay - and those out of work - | :02:46. | :02:51. | |
who feel the consequences of Let's just look at some of these | :02:52. | :03:09. | |
figures a little bit. One in six jobs in the UK, 5.2 million out of a | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
total workforce of jobs in the UK, 5.2 million out of a | :03:15. | :03:22. | |
now held by people who were born abroad. Does that have no effect on | :03:23. | :03:28. | |
wages or the prospect? Not according to the London School of economics | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
report was published, which showed there wasn't any harm, but of course | :03:32. | :03:37. | |
people worry about wages. But I think is the real threat to | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
immigration, * of a Brexit. That may immigration, * of a Brexit. That may | :03:42. | :03:49. | |
these figures to get the TUC immigration, * of a Brexit. That may | :03:50. | :04:00. | |
created in the past year, but 80% of them want to people born outside the | :04:01. | :04:06. | |
UK. 80%. Does that have no effect on wages or | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
UK. 80%. Does that have no effect on need to be really | :04:12. | :04:12. | |
UK. 80%. Does that have no effect on workers aren't the | :04:13. | :04:13. | |
UK. 80%. Does that have no effect on they are the victims of low pay, and | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
UK. 80%. Does that have no effect on if we going to cause the causes of | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
low pay, we need to get tough on business greed, make sure people | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
have a proper living wage, that under 25-year-olds aren't excluded | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
from the higher minimum wage, that's the kind of action we need to take | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
and we need strong trade unions in areas like construction. Quite a few | :04:34. | :04:41. | |
and we need strong trade unions in unions are... I haven't got the | :04:42. | :04:42. | |
figure for you. You looked at unions are... I haven't got the | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
general counsel, you will see generations... I mean the ones who | :04:48. | :04:50. | |
have generations... I mean the ones who | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
years, they are not rushing to join unions. A lot of migrant workers are | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
in the areas of the economy where we find it hard to organise because | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
they are zero hours, high turnover, those are the root of the problems. | :05:03. | :05:08. | |
Let me get to the root of this, there are 2.2 million EU citizens | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
working in the UK. It has doubled in five years, it used to be just over | :05:15. | :05:20. | |
a million. Are you arguing that that huge increase in labour coming to | :05:21. | :05:26. | |
this country has had no effect on wages? I don't think there is any | :05:27. | :05:33. | |
evidence to show it has, but what I would say is that there are areas in | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
food companies, food manufacturing Company 's, construction site, hotel | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
and catering, where some bad employers have deliberately gone | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
over to Eastern Europe, hired labour on agency contracts and used them to | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
undercut pay. We know that has happened. So there are 1.7 million | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
people in this country looking for work but unable to find it. And you | :05:58. | :06:05. | |
telling me that arise in 1 million more EU citizens coming here to work | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
has no effect on their ability, the 1.7 million, to find work? What I'm | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
telling you is the real issue here is how to rein in those bad | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
employers who use workers from overseas to undercut local workers, | :06:21. | :06:28. | |
and undermined union agreements. People have been calling that the | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
years, I am trying to work out how given that we have just under 2 | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
million people still looking for work, unable to find it, and over 1 | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
million from the EE you alone, put aside those coming in from outside | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
the U, which is flat lined in recent years will stop that huge influx of | :06:45. | :06:51. | |
labour, unprecedented in our history in terms of size, has no effect on | :06:52. | :06:58. | |
those in this country, on low pay, or without a job? The real effect is | :06:59. | :07:04. | |
whether or not we get tough on greedy employers, whether reinvest | :07:05. | :07:08. | |
in our infrastructure so we create decent, well-paid jobs. But that's a | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
generalised thing. Because these numbers are huge. Let's take those | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
who have been doing low paid jobs. Romanians and Bulgarians have been | :07:20. | :07:21. | |
allowed to come here since 2014, unimpeded, that's when they became | :07:22. | :07:27. | |
full members of the free movement of labour. How many have come in since | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
then? A quarter of a million Romanians and Bulgarians now working | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
in this country. I think we can agree that most of them are doing | :07:37. | :07:43. | |
low paid work. Absolutely. Does that have no effect on the pressing the | :07:44. | :07:46. | |
wages of those of our citizens already on low pay? Only if you let | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
employers get away with it and politicians don't need let employers | :07:53. | :07:59. | |
get away with it. But even the last Labour government took almost nobody | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
to court for not paying the minimum wage, thinks there were about ten | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
convictions. And this government has introduced employment tribunal fees. | :08:08. | :08:13. | |
The latest figures aren't actually coming from Poland and Eastern | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
Europe or even so much from Romania and Bulgarians, they're coming from | :08:18. | :08:24. | |
what you might call the old E 15, France, Italy, Portugal, Spain, and | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
they might not be doing quite as low-wage work as some of the ones we | :08:30. | :08:37. | |
have been talking about. 250,000 in the last year, that has no effect on | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
our labour market? In itself that isn't the issue. I think what we | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
have to do is, why have we got 6 million workers in Britain earning | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
less than the living wage? Why haven't we got a decent industrial | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
strategy? If we keep on bringing labour in in this quantity, it'll be | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
a long while, you know enough about economics to know that if you | :09:01. | :09:03. | |
massively increase the supply of something as we have done in recent | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
years, the price falls. It does if you allow employers to get away with | :09:09. | :09:11. | |
it. It's not the case in every country that immigration drags down | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
wages, in fact the London School of economic support suggested it was in | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
the case here either. But where has mass immigration not put down wages? | :09:22. | :09:28. | |
In European countries, where do have strong collective-bargaining | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
coverage, where... What is the average rate of unemployment in the | :09:33. | :09:38. | |
Eurozone? It is 10%! Here is the basic economic. If you remove the | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
incentive from employers to use immigrant labour is cheap labour, | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
they stop sending people... No one has stricter labour laws than | :09:47. | :09:52. | |
France, they have the kind of label as you would like in the TUC. It is | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
almost impossible to hire and fire somebody. I think they are under | :09:57. | :10:04. | |
pressure. And you know why, because 25% of young French people are | :10:05. | :10:07. | |
unemployed and French wages have barely moved in real terms for years | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
and yet they have had, like us, a huge increase in immigration. There | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
isn't a shred of international evidence to suggest that by making | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
workers weaker, you improve employment opportunities. Why are | :10:22. | :10:29. | |
25% of young French/ unemployed? I know that French unions tell me that | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
as in this country, people feel the balance of power has gone too far in | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
favour of employers, and the rule solution is putting some power back | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
in the hands of working people. If everything you say is right, if this | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
huge rise in workers coming from elsewhere has had no effect on | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
wages, why wages only rising by 2%? We're still suffering from the | :10:53. | :10:58. | |
crash, the bankers crash, and the failure it was seven years ago. I | :10:59. | :11:06. | |
know! What has happened since in terms of getting to grips with... | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
But if this huge increase in labour has had no impact on the price of | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
labour, rye, eight years after the crash, on wages rising by 2% all | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
less? But it was the crash that really damaged wages and don't | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
forget, inequality was rising long before we had the crash. You can't | :11:26. | :11:33. | |
be happy they only rising by 2%? I am certainly not. If we don't get | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
back the demand in the economy, we won't get the economy moving. We | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
need money in people's pay packets to buy goods and services. | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
And if you want more analysis of these employment figures - | :11:45. | :11:47. | |
and what they tell us about migration, you can go | :11:48. | :11:49. | |
The question for today is who is the most powerful person | :11:50. | :12:11. | |
in Doncaster - well, according to the Doncaster | :12:12. | :12:13. | |
At the end of the show will, we give you the correct answer. What is One | :12:14. | :12:39. | |
Direction? Is that the street? There was lots of pomp | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
and circumstance - and plenty of bills were announced | :12:44. | :12:45. | |
but we had heard about most of what the Queen | :12:46. | :12:48. | |
said yesterday before - and by the end of the day | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
Conservative MPs were talking about its implications | :12:53. | :12:55. | |
for the EU referendum. There were 21 Bills in Her Majesty's | :12:56. | :12:56. | |
65th speech to Parliament. prisoners home on weekdays only | :12:57. | :13:14. | |
using electronic satellite-tagging Extremism was also | :13:15. | :13:22. | |
on the government's agenda, with a new civil order regime | :13:23. | :13:24. | |
to restrict extremist activity in England and Wales | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
and new powers of intervention to tackle radicalisation of children | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
in "unregulated education settings". And the Conservative plans | :13:31. | :13:38. | |
for a UK Bill of Rights before final proposals | :13:39. | :13:40. | |
are brought forward. But if the Government hoped | :13:41. | :13:49. | |
yesterday's Queen's speech would bring some respite from rows | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
about the EU referendum, as critics were quick to point out | :13:54. | :13:55. | |
that there was no sign And we're joined now | :13:56. | :14:05. | |
by the Leader of the House Let's start with prisons, something | :14:06. | :14:17. | |
you know something about in your previous role. Is allowing prisoners | :14:18. | :14:23. | |
to live at home joined the wickets of Justice? Depends on the second | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
stance. Where you have people who have been convicted of a sentence | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
early on, who might get a community sentence otherwise, it is important, | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
we know the link between offending and implement is massive, so if in | :14:39. | :14:44. | |
some situations the court judge that an individual is better off being | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
left to work during the week but to lose the liberty of times when they | :14:49. | :14:52. | |
wouldn't be at work, it's a different approach and could make a | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
difference. Different to the approach you had when you were | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
running prisons? I pursued a strategy of providing better support | :15:02. | :15:03. | |
for people through the gate on the left prison. Give me some examples | :15:04. | :15:09. | |
of how you did that. He said, life must be made harder for criminals. | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
Is this what you had in mind? What I did was a continuation of what I | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
started in 2010. Buy into the situation where 50,000 prisoners a | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
year were walking out after short sentences with no guidance, support, | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
nothing, never get proper planning for release and support for 12 | :15:28. | :15:32. | |
months after. One of the things I did was double the might of | :15:33. | :15:33. | |
education that young offenders get. You try to ban books coming into | :15:34. | :15:48. | |
prisons. That's a myth. That never happened. Now, where trying to do | :15:49. | :15:54. | |
more in adult prisons with people with no qualifications, mental | :15:55. | :15:59. | |
health problems. He is continuing a process with good, innovative ideas | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
about how we stop enormous levels of reoffending. Nearly 60% of | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
short-term prisoners and 50% of all prisoners reoffend within a year. | :16:09. | :16:15. | |
Who's fault is that? Some jails are not fit for purpose, Michael Gove | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
says, that must have happened on your watch. What I did was build new | :16:21. | :16:26. | |
prison wings, started the construction of a major new prison | :16:27. | :16:29. | |
which Michael is going to continue with. It is turning around Victorian | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
prisons some of which don't have space to build a workshop. Why are | :16:35. | :16:40. | |
they overcrowded and dangerous? Let's be clear, the prison | :16:41. | :16:44. | |
population is almost the same as it was in 2010. The number of places in | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
the system is almost exactly the same in 2010. Identix the premise | :16:50. | :16:55. | |
that the prison system is massively more overcrowded than it was in the | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
past. Why did Michael Gove say they are not fit for purpose? We have | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
seen footage inside some prisons where prisoners are running a mock. | :17:06. | :17:11. | |
Some of our prisons are well out of date, built in Victorian times. It | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
is not a question of overcrowding but out of date facilities. I built | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
a big new prison in Wrexham, we are building new wings in prisons. | :17:23. | :17:25. | |
Michael is moving ahead with nine new prisons. It is about bringing in | :17:26. | :17:32. | |
modern facilities that are fit for purpose so we send people back onto | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
the streets in better shape. Some other elements of the Queen 's | :17:37. | :17:42. | |
speech. The Bill of Rights. Will there be legislation in this | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
Parliament or is this going to be a consultation? Yermak row I'm | :17:48. | :17:57. | |
expected -- I'm expecting legislation to come forward in the | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
not too distant future. We have been told it will be a consultation. That | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
usually means another few years down the line before any issue in terms | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
of legislation is discussed. When you think the legislation will come | :18:13. | :18:18. | |
forward? In the not too distant future, after the period of | :18:19. | :18:23. | |
consultation. We're going to bring forward detailed proposals. We will | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
discuss them. Then we'll move on. You're going to scrap the Human | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
Rights Act brought in by Labour and leave the European Convention on | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
Human Rights? It's about rebalancing the relationship between our courts | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
and European courts. There is a number of ways you can strengthen | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
the powers of our courts. Wait for the consultation document to see | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
that. I'm intrigued. You can't change the supremacy of European | :18:54. | :18:59. | |
courts unless the UK leaves the European Convention on Human Rights. | :19:00. | :19:02. | |
Is that going to be proposed? We will have to wait and see. I am not | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
going to announce that today. We have set out plans to change the | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
balance between our courts and to change the nature of human rights | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
laws in this country to make our courts stronger. You will have to | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
wait for the detail. It would make our courts supreme over European | :19:22. | :19:27. | |
courts? It is to make our courts more superior over. The crucial word | :19:28. | :19:39. | |
is supreme? Are you going to make courts supreme? Millar you will have | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
to wait for the detail. I am not going to announce them today. It is | :19:44. | :19:50. | |
not a detail. It is fundamental. I will leave it for Michael when he | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
announces the consultation package. Can I check something quite | :19:57. | :20:03. | |
important. The European Court of Human Rights is written into the | :20:04. | :20:06. | |
Scottish devolution settlement, it is part of devolution. You cannot | :20:07. | :20:12. | |
change that. You cannot come out of it without the permission of the | :20:13. | :20:15. | |
Scottish parliament, which I think you know as well as I, you won't | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
get. You are just going up a cul-de-sac. What's written into the | :20:20. | :20:25. | |
devolution settlement is the wording of the convention. That's what I | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
just said. We have never said that we want to move away. The issue is, | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
over a lengthy period of time, courts have moved away from where we | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
believe human rights laws should be. Moved away from the spirit of that | :20:41. | :20:46. | |
convention. We seek to address that. We will pick over that with a fine | :20:47. | :20:52. | |
tooth comb. Were you disappointed that the sovereignty bill was not in | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
the Queens speech? It has to wait until after the referendum. I hope | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
it won't arise. I am campaigning to leave and if we do leave, the | :21:04. | :21:10. | |
question doesn't arise. The question of the referendum has basically | :21:11. | :21:13. | |
dominated. It was amazing how little was covered in the Queens speech in | :21:14. | :21:18. | |
terms of its dominance in terms of the referendum. You say that but we | :21:19. | :21:25. | |
are putting in place the remainder of our manifesto. We have delivered | :21:26. | :21:32. | |
almost all of the manifesto. We are creating life chances for people in | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
deprived backgrounds. There is a very strong and broad ranging | :21:37. | :21:39. | |
package. There was no sovereignty bill. You hope it won't arise. | :21:40. | :21:46. | |
People want to focus on higher education, skills, terrorism. We | :21:47. | :21:52. | |
have just passed a bill on immigration in the last few weeks. | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
It has been through the Lords and passed into law. What about | :21:57. | :22:00. | |
homelessness? That Bill wasn't there. We have just had a Housing | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
act passed into law in the last couple of weeks. All of this has | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
been a shout show to couple of weeks. All of this has | :22:11. | :22:16. | |
referendum. I don't think so. For example, the Digital economy, | :22:17. | :22:19. | |
referendum. I don't think so. For strengthening is a crucial part of | :22:20. | :22:20. | |
our economic future. That's in strengthening is a crucial part of | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
there. Measures to deal with adoption and care, really important. | :22:25. | :22:31. | |
Will be there once the referendum is over? Of course. | :22:32. | :22:37. | |
Will be there once the referendum is for government for the next 12 | :22:38. | :22:39. | |
Will be there once the referendum is months. Of course it will carry on. | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
We will be negotiating to leave the European Union at the same time, I | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
hope. It is necessary to progress with a domestic programme that will | :22:48. | :22:50. | |
benefit with a domestic programme that will | :22:51. | :22:57. | |
European Union. Will you still be in the Cabinet after the European union | :22:58. | :22:59. | |
if we vote to remain? the Cabinet after the European union | :23:00. | :23:01. | |
They always say that the Cabinet after the European union | :23:02. | :23:11. | |
it happens to be true. Can't we be honest about the sovereignty bill. | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
It was to buy off Boris Johnson and he has ratted on you so there will | :23:17. | :23:28. | |
no be no sovereignty bill. On one thing I agree, I hope there won't be | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
a sovereignty bill because I hope we will be leaving | :23:33. | :23:39. | |
Now, the Shadow Home Secretary and former | :23:40. | :23:40. | |
Labour Leadership Candidate Andy Burnham has announced his bid | :23:41. | :23:42. | |
to become Labour's candidate for Mayor of Greater Manchester. | :23:43. | :23:45. | |
Here he his launching his campaign at a speech | :23:46. | :23:47. | |
Our own party, you've heard me say this before, has been too | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
London-centric down the years and, consequently, we've left a situation | :23:52. | :23:53. | |
people out there, haven't felt that we are responding properly | :23:54. | :23:56. | |
What I want to do, in launching this campaign today, | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
is develop a distinctive brand of Northern Labour. | :24:02. | :24:07. | |
Give Labour a stronger Northern voice that speaks | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
to the people out there and I think that's what | :24:12. | :24:14. | |
And Andy Burnham joins us now from Salford. | :24:15. | :24:25. | |
Welcome to the programme. Why are you abandoning Westminster? Because | :24:26. | :24:35. | |
I think I can do more to change this place, greater Manchester, and | :24:36. | :24:41. | |
indeed politics in this country by making the statement. Westminster, | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
over the centuries, has left us with an unequal country. I would go as | :24:47. | :24:50. | |
far as saying, it has failed the north of England. We have a very | :24:51. | :24:56. | |
uneven distribution of resources, life chances and power. I don't see | :24:57. | :25:02. | |
that Westminster is going to change that. There is an opportunity to | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
rebalance the country by making this decision I think I'm sending a | :25:08. | :25:11. | |
statement that this country needs to change and we need to rebalance it, | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
south to north. That's at the heart of my campaign. You don't even think | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
a Labour government would do that rebalancing? It did. I'm here in | :25:21. | :25:27. | |
Salford, media city is just over the way. We did many things to change | :25:28. | :25:34. | |
the media power of the country. I remember, many in the BBC weren't | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
keen but we were right to do it. To try and rebalance the way that the | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
country worked and bring different voices onto the airwaves. There is | :25:43. | :25:50. | |
only so much you can do. The inequalities in England are very | :25:51. | :25:53. | |
deeply entrenched. That's why am saying that we need a campaign for | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
an equal England. It is an balanced between north and south and we've | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
known that for many years. Now, there really needs to be a moment of | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
change. You don't have much confidence in Labour's ability to | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
win the next election because you said the party did things to change | :26:12. | :26:14. | |
the balance but you don't believe they're going to be in power in 2020 | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
and you have decided to leave Westminster and go your own way. I | :26:19. | :26:26. | |
don't see it at all, how you can claim that, the point I make today | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
is that Labour needs to revitalise in the North of England. We need a | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
distinctive Northern voice if we are to connect with voters here. There | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
is a worry that we are losing our group with some voters here. They | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
feel that we are to London centric. You've heard me say that many times | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
over the years on your programme. In my view, I can do more to help the | :26:49. | :26:55. | |
party by making this statement, by working now to revitalise Labour in | :26:56. | :27:00. | |
the north. I think that can do more to build towards 2020 election | :27:01. | :27:08. | |
victory. Jeremy Corbyn have spoken about this in much detail. I gave | :27:09. | :27:14. | |
him a commitment to work with him to build the Labour Party coming out of | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
the last election. I have been doing that in the Shadow Cabinet but we | :27:19. | :27:22. | |
have agreed that I can move into this role to continue this process | :27:23. | :27:25. | |
of rebuilding and strengthening labour in all parts of the country. | :27:26. | :27:32. | |
That is how we will win in 2020. Jeremy Corbyn, from a London | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
constituency, is he to London centric and as a result his Labour | :27:37. | :27:43. | |
Party? I don't personalise it. The party has been to London centric | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
over many years. It goes back a long time. It doesn't help that Jeremy | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
Corbyn is seen as a London metropolitan elite. It wouldn't help | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
persuade the people you want? I don't think that is right. If you | :27:59. | :28:04. | |
look in our big cities, the big cities really rallied around Jeremy | :28:05. | :28:07. | |
Corbyn in the leadership election and he won well in the North as well | :28:08. | :28:13. | |
as in the south. He has got a very big mandate and people want a | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
different kind of politics. He was absolutely right about that. I want | :28:18. | :28:23. | |
to work with him to build that. Is he right on immigration when he says | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
that we should have more migrants and refugees coming? I have said | :28:29. | :28:33. | |
over many years that immigration is overall a good thing. That is the | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
argument that Jeremy makes. I make this point, from a Northern 's | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
perspective, what we hear on the airwaves on programme's like yours | :28:42. | :28:47. | |
is the London take on immigration, that it is a purely good thing about | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
driving the economy. That has left people in the North feeling that | :28:53. | :28:55. | |
politicians aren't speaking to them. In the former industrial | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
communities, there are pressures on public services, undercutting of | :29:02. | :29:05. | |
wages, and the failure of the Labour Party to address those issues about | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
a decade ago has given us a feeling that we are out of touch in parts of | :29:11. | :29:15. | |
the North. I want to change that and corrected. That is part of why I am | :29:16. | :29:22. | |
making this move. Is Jeremy Corbyn addressing that issue in the right | :29:23. | :29:25. | |
way for northern constituencies like yours? I thought it was absolutely | :29:26. | :29:34. | |
brilliant, I think, a fortnight ago when he challenged David Cameron in | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
the House of Commons to support a European proposal to stop the | :29:40. | :29:42. | |
undercutting of skilled wages. It was his first question at PMQ 's | :29:43. | :29:48. | |
couple of weeks ago. Cameron squirmed and wouldn't tell us | :29:49. | :29:53. | |
whether his MEPs would back it. Absolutely, Jeremy Corbyn was | :29:54. | :29:56. | |
raising the right issue and it's an issue that Labour needs to talk | :29:57. | :30:01. | |
about more. Labour movement can be a good thing but don't let it undercut | :30:02. | :30:06. | |
the wages of skilled workers across the North of England. It was | :30:07. | :30:09. | |
brilliant that he took that issue directly to the Prime Minister. Andy | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
Vernon, good to talk to you. Thank you very much. | :30:15. | :30:23. | |
The lesson of London is, if you want to win, have a top-class candidate | :30:24. | :30:29. | |
and if you lose, you have a dirty campaign. So the better the | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
candidates, the Queen of the fight... I think Andy is great and | :30:34. | :30:39. | |
no doubt there will be other great candidates as well. I think it's an | :30:40. | :30:53. | |
opportunity and Boris Johnson, and now Andy Burnham, there could be | :30:54. | :31:02. | |
elected mayors of our major cities, we go more like the Americans, the | :31:03. | :31:06. | |
French or Italian roots, they then become springboards, into national | :31:07. | :31:12. | |
politics. The Prime Minister of Italy was my of Florence before and | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
Boris Johnson is now going international politics, big-time | :31:17. | :31:21. | |
bust up -- mayor of Florence. It gives them experience as well. It's | :31:22. | :31:25. | |
no bad thing in terms of the calibre of our political leadership, | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
regardless of party, for people of our political leadership, | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
have that executive responsibility and some big ambition in terms | :31:34. | :31:39. | |
have that executive responsibility their party. Because they are | :31:40. | :31:40. | |
directly elected. Most of us living in the UK | :31:41. | :31:45. | |
are willing to open which ranks | :31:46. | :31:50. | |
27 countries based on people's readiness to let refugees | :31:51. | :31:56. | |
live in their countries, towns, neighbourhoods and homes, | :31:57. | :31:59. | |
in a so-called China tops the list of 27 | :32:00. | :32:06. | |
countries in the survey, followed by Germany, | :32:07. | :32:10. | |
and then the UK. And coming in | :32:11. | :32:12. | |
at the bottom - it's Russia. Around the world, | :32:13. | :32:15. | |
10% of people would let But that figures rises | :32:16. | :32:23. | |
to 29% here in the UK. 47% of people in this country | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
would welcome refugees And a big majority of | :32:29. | :32:34. | |
people in Britain, 87%, say refugees should be allowed | :32:35. | :32:40. | |
into the country. Meanwhile, | :32:41. | :32:43. | |
66% of people around the world think their governments | :32:44. | :32:45. | |
should do more help those fleeing We're just trying to make connection | :32:46. | :33:08. | |
there with him. Let me come to you first, Kate, were you surprised that | :33:09. | :33:11. | |
we came third? I wasn't surprised by the results at all, we decided to do | :33:12. | :33:17. | |
this poll because we kept being told by governments around the world that | :33:18. | :33:23. | |
people don't want to give support and a refuge to people fleeing war | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
and persecution, and that's not what we see, it's not what we see in this | :33:28. | :33:32. | |
country and not what we see in many parts of the world. So we thought, | :33:33. | :33:36. | |
let's do a poll, let's test this, let's see what comes from the pole. | :33:37. | :33:43. | |
What we get there is 20 out of 27 countries where over 75 people say | :33:44. | :33:50. | |
that refugees, people fleeing war and persecution, should get support | :33:51. | :33:56. | |
-- over 75% of people. I think it's interesting that China came first, | :33:57. | :34:01. | |
people were answering that question in a country with little experience | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
of refugees but answering it from the heart. Have taken very few | :34:06. | :34:14. | |
refugees in recent years? Yes, but this country that came second is | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
Germany, which has taken in a lot. What you're getting is a response | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
from the heart in terms of China, people have little experience of it | :34:24. | :34:28. | |
but saying all the more cynical interpretation would be taken say | :34:29. | :34:31. | |
yes because they know the government would never allow it. We're talking | :34:32. | :34:37. | |
to ordinary people through a polling company. People are very careful | :34:38. | :34:42. | |
what they say in a country like Germany. The Dilma Rousseff -- | :34:43. | :34:52. | |
China. How do we know whether to believe them or not, when they said | :34:53. | :34:55. | |
they would accept refugees in their home? It is a poll, they are | :34:56. | :35:01. | |
answering what the poster has asked them. What we see at Amnesty, people | :35:02. | :35:07. | |
campaigning with the local councils, asking them to take refugees, | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
particularly keen and angry about this government's policy in terms of | :35:13. | :35:17. | |
refugees from Syria, where we have taken 1300. 1300 in a crisis of 5 | :35:18. | :35:26. | |
million across the world. Last year this country took in about 20,000 | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
refugees, it's not right to say it's 1000... It's a lot less than Sweden, | :35:31. | :35:38. | |
per capita, Gregg Gillis, and a lot less than Germany. -- a great deal | :35:39. | :35:46. | |
less. I was talking about people from Syria where the government has | :35:47. | :35:51. | |
announced a programme... From the camps, not the people already in | :35:52. | :35:56. | |
Europe. The numbers here in the UK are very, very small. It is Sweden | :35:57. | :36:01. | |
and Germany in Europe who are taking something like 50% of refugees | :36:02. | :36:07. | |
across Europe. So our country is doing very well, actually, in | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
providing resources and providing support for people in the region, | :36:13. | :36:16. | |
it's not doing well in terms of the people here who needs help. What we | :36:17. | :36:22. | |
are saying is that all countries who could afford it should provide | :36:23. | :36:26. | |
support for people from the region and also ticking people... Some of | :36:27. | :36:33. | |
the most vulnerable. And what we need is a global response, so the UN | :36:34. | :36:36. | |
is meeting next week and again in September... Can't even get a | :36:37. | :36:43. | |
European response! So how could you ever hope to get a global response, | :36:44. | :36:49. | |
when even the EU has not managed to come up with a concerted United | :36:50. | :36:55. | |
response? I know, and it is appalling that the EU has left | :36:56. | :36:58. | |
Germany and Sweden and others to do the things that they have done and | :36:59. | :37:02. | |
nobody has joined in, but it doesn't mean we should stop demanding... It | :37:03. | :37:08. | |
is the biggest refugee crisis since the end of the Second World War. | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
What was the size of the sample in the UK? 1000. The only reason I ask | :37:13. | :37:20. | |
is it is different from the private polling of the political parties, | :37:21. | :37:24. | |
especially on the conservative side. One of the reason I believe the | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
government has taken a hard line is that polling shows it wouldn't be | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
popular. But look at public opinion, that has made the government changes | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
mind on taking people from Syria, public opinion that said we should | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
take children when the government was trying to say that defeated, | :37:42. | :37:49. | |
again and again, our government, our politicians underestimate people in | :37:50. | :37:53. | |
this country. Some of the private polling I've been told is very | :37:54. | :37:58. | |
different from your poll but we will never know the difference is, let me | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
bring in Stephen, migration spokesman for Ukip who has been | :38:03. | :38:05. | |
listening to most of this. This polling would suggest that we are | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
rather generous country, that we realise our obligations to refugees | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
and we should take more in. What you say? I think the polling is right to | :38:15. | :38:20. | |
suggest that people in Britain have always been welcoming the genuine | :38:21. | :38:24. | |
refugees, we have accepted those in the past, and we are kind and | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
generous nation. I am not so sure that a poll of 1000 people, I | :38:30. | :38:36. | |
haven't seen exactly what type of people they were, what class of | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
individuals... We assume it is a reasonably robust potent it has 1000 | :38:41. | :38:45. | |
people by a reputable polling company, with no polls often don't | :38:46. | :38:49. | |
get it right but it must give a fair snapshot of opinion. It would | :38:50. | :38:56. | |
suggest that if the government lived up to the humanity and the record of | :38:57. | :38:59. | |
the British people, it would be prepared to take more refugees, not | :39:00. | :39:07. | |
talking about migrants, more refugees. What would be wrong with | :39:08. | :39:13. | |
that? Again I emphasise, even if you look at Ukip's policies in the past, | :39:14. | :39:18. | |
we said we had to have our responsibilities to the UN | :39:19. | :39:20. | |
agreements we have signed but this year I think we will accept 38,000 | :39:21. | :39:25. | |
genuine asylum seekers into this country and I think we spent, with | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
the government, over a billion helping out those in Lebanon decided | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
to take in 38,000 mile and you have seen recently those we're going to | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
accept as well, with the children. So the country has accepted its | :39:39. | :39:42. | |
responsibilities but up and down the country, there was a huge difference | :39:43. | :39:45. | |
between those who feel we should accept more genuine asylum seekers, | :39:46. | :39:50. | |
that I feel on the doorstep. Because there is a clear problem on the | :39:51. | :39:57. | |
country between those who understand asylum and economic migrants and | :39:58. | :40:00. | |
until we deal with the economic migrant issue, people will always be | :40:01. | :40:08. | |
confused. The record show that if you are welcoming to refugees in | :40:09. | :40:12. | |
this country, with the children in the 1930s, these people grow up in | :40:13. | :40:19. | |
the country that has accepted them and they have children themselves, | :40:20. | :40:24. | |
they become the biggest supporters, the most patriotic people of their | :40:25. | :40:31. | |
adopted nation and they are always grateful and becomes hugely proud of | :40:32. | :40:34. | |
what happened to them, wouldn't that be a plus for the nation? Of course, | :40:35. | :40:42. | |
I grew up with... There is a difference between saying they are | :40:43. | :40:45. | |
supportive of us and whether the country can wear the economic cost | :40:46. | :40:52. | |
of accepting more. Every government has the responsibility to assess the | :40:53. | :40:56. | |
cost of bringing in more people, of which there can be benefits, and | :40:57. | :40:59. | |
also the cost to the country as a whole and whether we can afford it. | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
We have that debate on this show many times to show that low wages | :41:05. | :41:09. | |
and job displacement when we have masses of migration, we need to have | :41:10. | :41:16. | |
a balanced. Let me just come back to you for a reaction, in general, it | :41:17. | :41:22. | |
is you understand it, because I hadn't seen this, that we will allow | :41:23. | :41:31. | |
in 38,000 refugees this year? We have spontaneous arrivals of | :41:32. | :41:32. | |
refugees and the have spontaneous arrivals of | :41:33. | :41:36. | |
small. What we're talking about here is a global crisis, the biggest | :41:37. | :41:37. | |
refugee crisis is a global crisis, the biggest | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
Second World War stop we can continue in the way that people are, | :41:42. | :41:44. | |
governments are, continue in the way that people are, | :41:45. | :41:51. | |
dangerous situations and see all of that, or the can ask our government | :41:52. | :41:57. | |
to use its political capital and experience to work with other | :41:58. | :42:00. | |
governments globally and say we need something on a bigger | :42:01. | :42:03. | |
governments globally and say we need addresses this problem. I think you | :42:04. | :42:04. | |
both. -- It took off from Paris | :42:05. | :42:11. | |
just after 11pm last night, but about 20 minutes before | :42:12. | :42:13. | |
it was due to land in Cairo , Egyptair flight MS804 disappeared | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
from radar screens and lost contact The Airbus A320 had | :42:18. | :42:19. | |
66 people on board - mainly Egyptian and French nationals | :42:20. | :42:30. | |
but also one Briton. The latest is a statement from the | :42:31. | :42:45. | |
Greek Defence Ministry which says the plane swerved sharply at 90 | :42:46. | :42:51. | |
degrees and then fell abruptly by 22,000 feet. It was cruising at a | :42:52. | :42:57. | |
normal altitude of 37,000 feet. So this is a very different story to | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
what was originally being looked at this morning, which was the idea | :43:02. | :43:06. | |
they had been some sort of catastrophic incident on board, | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
possibly an explosion. This would steer us in a different direction. | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
But one aviation analyst is talking about is whether there was some kind | :43:16. | :43:18. | |
of fight in the cockpit on board, some kind of struggle between the | :43:19. | :43:22. | |
crew themselves or between one of the passengers or more and the crew. | :43:23. | :43:33. | |
There were no distress calls, and there was nothing to indicate the | :43:34. | :43:41. | |
time the plane left, the Greek flight information region, have | :43:42. | :43:44. | |
passed into the Egyptian region, to indicate there was anything wrong. | :43:45. | :43:48. | |
So whatever took place at very suddenly, with no warning but at the | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
moment there doesn't appear to have been in the explosion. It could be | :43:53. | :44:01. | |
some significance in affected was a flight from France and Egypt, both | :44:02. | :44:04. | |
countries have many terrorist enemies in the middle east, is that | :44:05. | :44:11. | |
a fair point? People are looking at the possibility, I hope it doesn't | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
prove to be true, that somebody with access to air side Charles de Gaulle | :44:16. | :44:22. | |
airport could have placed at device on-board, there was no freight on | :44:23. | :44:27. | |
board the plane but remember last year, Islamic State's Sinai province | :44:28. | :44:35. | |
of village was able to get a device on-board a Russian jet and blow it | :44:36. | :44:47. | |
out of the year. -- out of the air. 60 were laid off after the Paris | :44:48. | :44:50. | |
attacks in the number because of fears they had sympathies with | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
so-called Islamic State, or Islamic extremism. That is something the | :44:55. | :44:59. | |
French internal Security ministry will be looking at. | :45:00. | :45:07. | |
The latest information implies there was some action on the plane, | :45:08. | :45:15. | |
swerving to avoid something? What do you avoid at 30,000 feet? There are | :45:16. | :45:21. | |
no reports of other aircraft at immediate vicinity. It appears to be | :45:22. | :45:25. | |
something on board that caused the pilot to plunge this plane down into | :45:26. | :45:31. | |
the sea. Frank Gardner, thank you very much for bringing as | :45:32. | :45:34. | |
up-to-date. Interesting developments. Anything that happens | :45:35. | :45:41. | |
will be on BBC news throughout the day. | :45:42. | :45:43. | |
The voice of big business has been pretty dominant in the EU | :45:44. | :45:46. | |
When the country was last asked its view on European | :45:47. | :45:52. | |
integration, in the referendum of 1975, the trade unions | :45:53. | :45:54. | |
Now most of them are urging their members to vote to remain, | :45:55. | :45:58. | |
Unions love placards so surely the referendum | :45:59. | :46:01. | |
Unite, the largest union is advising its 1.4 | :46:02. | :46:08. | |
Unison is doing the same for its 1.3 million members. | :46:09. | :46:15. | |
The GMB recommends 600,000 members vote to stay and so does | :46:16. | :46:19. | |
USDAW - all four were registered as official campaigners so they can | :46:20. | :46:23. | |
While the next biggest union is the Royal | :46:24. | :46:27. | |
It is neutral but has produced a fact sheet for | :46:28. | :46:32. | |
Some individual trade unionists support the group Another | :46:33. | :46:38. | |
Europe Is Possible which is avoiding David Cameron and big business, it's | :46:39. | :46:42. | |
about to start a nationwide speaking tour featuring people like the | :46:43. | :46:46. | |
Shadow Chancellor, who make a radical, workers' | :46:47. | :46:48. | |
Four weeks paid holiday entitlement, the | :46:49. | :46:54. | |
right to maternity leave, protection on the hours we work | :46:55. | :46:58. | |
and improved rights for agency workers, secured across Europe. | :46:59. | :47:04. | |
All things won by the workers movement that the EU now | :47:05. | :47:07. | |
helps protect and all things that the Tories | :47:08. | :47:10. | |
It's a turnaround from the 1975 referendum on whether to remain | :47:11. | :47:16. | |
in the European Economic Community, when the bulk of trade Unions wanted | :47:17. | :47:19. | |
Such a turnaround was the subject of an academic conference this week. | :47:20. | :47:26. | |
From the perspective of 1975, the EEC looks more like a | :47:27. | :47:30. | |
free-market venture, something that could actually stop | :47:31. | :47:33. | |
socialism being pursued in one country, and that was | :47:34. | :47:36. | |
a big reason for hostility towards it on the left of the political | :47:37. | :47:40. | |
Some trade unionists here still feel that way, though. | :47:41. | :47:47. | |
This is a meeting of Left Exit which is | :47:48. | :47:49. | |
Unite are in favour of staying in the European | :47:50. | :47:54. | |
I think the European Union is increasingly fascist in the way it | :47:55. | :47:59. | |
overrides national governments, look what happened in Greece. | :48:00. | :48:03. | |
I want more immigration, I want more solidarity | :48:04. | :48:05. | |
and I don't think that the borders of Europe were made to help ordinary | :48:06. | :48:09. | |
people, they were made to help the bosses. | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
This campaign is supported by the RMT, ASLEF and the Baker's | :48:14. | :48:16. | |
Union fancy the idea of a Lexit, too. | :48:17. | :48:21. | |
And remember TUSC, the trade union and socialist coalition which | :48:22. | :48:23. | |
They are on the Leave side as well, and even applied to become | :48:24. | :48:30. | |
And Dave Nellist who you saw at the end of that piece joins | :48:31. | :48:39. | |
Why are you campaigning to leave? The European Union is set up | :48:40. | :48:53. | |
essentially for big companies. Its stature is on a continental scale, | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
it promotes privatisation, we've stature is on a continental scale, | :48:58. | :49:01. | |
seen postal services, water, electricity, rail, other forms of | :49:02. | :49:06. | |
transport go. Increasingly, in its court of Justice ruling is it | :49:07. | :49:11. | |
undermines trade union collective-bargaining and right to | :49:12. | :49:14. | |
strike. I think all socialists should vote no on 23rd June. We | :49:15. | :49:23. | |
think Brexit would be a big gamble with jobs, rights and people's | :49:24. | :49:29. | |
livelihoods as well. Look at some of our best organised manufacturing | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
companies, automotive, chemicals, a whole range of companies who | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
critically depend on investment because we are a member of the EU. | :49:40. | :49:44. | |
If we come out, we know what will happen in respect of those | :49:45. | :49:49. | |
investment decisions. We will see good jobs replaced by worse ones, | :49:50. | :49:51. | |
investment decisions. We will see assuming we hold onto them. There is | :49:52. | :49:56. | |
investment decisions. We will see a big issue over workers | :49:57. | :49:57. | |
investment decisions. We will see live in the here and | :49:58. | :50:02. | |
investment decisions. We will see rights, holiday pay, | :50:03. | :50:08. | |
investment decisions. We will see rights are dependent on membership | :50:09. | :50:11. | |
of the EU. Do you trust this government | :50:12. | :50:17. | |
of the EU. Do you trust this unions to protect those rights? The | :50:18. | :50:17. | |
OECD, unions to protect those rights? The | :50:18. | :50:21. | |
planet have a unions to protect those rights? The | :50:22. | :50:23. | |
index. The UK is 31st out of 34. unions to protect those rights? The | :50:24. | :50:31. | |
came long before the EU. I would Francis | :50:32. | :50:43. | |
came long before the EU. I would say, 28 of the heads of government | :50:44. | :50:53. | |
make the policies in the UU, most of them are conservative and favour | :50:54. | :50:54. | |
austerity. I don't think we them are conservative and favour | :50:55. | :50:58. | |
put our faith in Tory governments in Europe. It is true to say that much | :50:59. | :51:02. | |
employment Europe. It is true to say that much | :51:03. | :51:08. | |
originated here. Most of the important ones are. Take | :51:09. | :51:20. | |
originated here. Most of the Dave said, was done before the EU. | :51:21. | :51:24. | |
originated here. Most of the the EU. It has helped millions of | :51:25. | :51:28. | |
women the EU. It has helped millions of | :51:29. | :51:34. | |
about austerity? Take the the EU. It has helped millions of | :51:35. | :51:37. | |
Greece. Do you think they were treated fairly? Absolutely not. We | :51:38. | :51:46. | |
don't think the EU is perfect. As a trade union movement, we have a | :51:47. | :51:49. | |
responsibility to figure out what's in the best interests of workers. | :51:50. | :51:54. | |
We've worked hard on this, looking at the evidence and our guidance to | :51:55. | :51:58. | |
workers is, don't gamble with your jobs, don't gamble with your right, | :51:59. | :52:05. | |
vote to remain. Even Yanis Varoufakis is backing the UK to stay | :52:06. | :52:13. | |
in. Not that he has got a vote. All sorts of people are backing people | :52:14. | :52:18. | |
to stay in but they tend not to be friends of working people. Look at | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
the direction Europe is travelling in. Particularly on legislation, the | :52:23. | :52:27. | |
undermining of collective bargaining. Look at Rotherham, a | :52:28. | :52:33. | |
Croatian company brought in construction workers on half the | :52:34. | :52:36. | |
European Union rate and were forcing down wages. That is the way that the | :52:37. | :52:41. | |
European Union is going. We need strong unions to fight that. Giving | :52:42. | :52:49. | |
them a vote of confidence on June the 23rd is not doing that. Workers | :52:50. | :52:54. | |
have two combine a cross borders. That is the only way we will get a | :52:55. | :52:56. | |
fairer deal. Thank you very much. Now, earlier we talked about | :52:57. | :53:00. | |
the content of the Queen's Speech, No, not the ermine or | :53:01. | :53:02. | |
the horse-drawn carriage, but the two Commons speeches that | :53:03. | :53:07. | |
are supposed to be funny - or at least, funnier than the one | :53:08. | :53:10. | |
delivered by Her Majesty. Traditionally two backbench MPs | :53:11. | :53:12. | |
are chosen to open the debate in the lower chamber | :53:13. | :53:19. | |
with an amusing speech, with the Prime Minister and Leader | :53:20. | :53:22. | |
of the Opposition expected One of the backbenchers | :53:23. | :53:25. | |
was Conservative MP Phillip Lee. Here's a flavour of | :53:26. | :53:30. | |
yesterday's action - including Jeremy Corbyn channelling | :53:31. | :53:34. | |
the captain of Dr Lee's As the house knows, I am | :53:35. | :53:37. | |
a practising doctor. Unfortunately, Mr Speaker, | :53:38. | :53:49. | |
in a medical context, PR does not stand for public relations, | :53:50. | :53:53. | |
but is shorthand for the type of examination that involves putting | :53:54. | :53:57. | |
on rubber gloves, applying gel, and If I may give my right honourable | :53:58. | :54:02. | |
friend the Prime Minister If in the future he finds himself | :54:03. | :54:23. | |
speaking at a medical professional dinner, under no circumstances | :54:24. | :54:34. | |
should he tell the audience that in his life before politics, | :54:35. | :54:38. | |
he was into PR and that he found the work | :54:39. | :54:43. | |
very stimulating. As captain of the Old Grumblers' | :54:44. | :54:50. | |
Cricket Club, I rarely had to handle as obstinate | :54:51. | :54:53. | |
and disruptive a character Who stubbornly refused to stand | :54:54. | :54:56. | |
in any conventional field placement and very openly demonstrated | :54:57. | :55:07. | |
a disdain for team sports, command structures, and presumably | :55:08. | :55:13. | |
this led him to the logical career He is also, I am told, | :55:14. | :55:16. | |
an ardent fan of Queens Park Rangers, | :55:17. | :55:26. | |
but we won't say too much about that because at least one of my teams | :55:27. | :55:29. | |
is joining him Chuckles all round. Philip Lee joins | :55:30. | :55:47. | |
us from Central Lobby. Patrick Kidd is with is in the studio. Were you | :55:48. | :55:54. | |
nervous? How long did you spend writing this? Where did you get the | :55:55. | :56:00. | |
joke? It all came from my office. It was an internal job. I was nervous. | :56:01. | :56:05. | |
I had been in my sick bed for a few days so I was happy that it went OK, | :56:06. | :56:11. | |
considering. Were you happy with the reaction of Jeremy Corbyn and Mr | :56:12. | :56:17. | |
Cameron? I knew where that was coming from. The current captain of | :56:18. | :56:21. | |
the team is from Islington and Highbury. I guessed it was going to | :56:22. | :56:25. | |
be tough on me but it was good humoured. How did it compared to | :56:26. | :56:32. | |
similar occasions? I thought it was very good. It is daunting to get up | :56:33. | :56:37. | |
and make those jokes. There was one about the Sutra. | :56:38. | :56:49. | |
Jeremy Corbyn doesn't have a reputation for mirth and he was very | :56:50. | :57:02. | |
funny. It's a shame he spoke at an extra 35 winners. There were good | :57:03. | :57:08. | |
jokes all round. Who writes the jokes in your speeches? There are | :57:09. | :57:18. | |
not necessarily lots of them but they are really good quality. Philip | :57:19. | :57:24. | |
Lee, did you get a good reaction afterwards? I really did. I had | :57:25. | :57:28. | |
people hugging me which was disconcerting. And they were just | :57:29. | :57:35. | |
Tories! I had a good response from both sides of the house and I was | :57:36. | :57:38. | |
glad to make people laugh but I said some serious things as well and it | :57:39. | :57:42. | |
was good to get that over as well. Is this good for an MP's career to | :57:43. | :57:48. | |
get noticed? You've been in the house for five years and you made a | :57:49. | :57:53. | |
really big mark. I'm not sure. About five of the people who have seconded | :57:54. | :57:58. | |
the speech over seven years are no longer members of Parliament. So, | :57:59. | :58:03. | |
who knows? This might be the last time we see you! Well, it's been | :58:04. | :58:11. | |
nice having you on the programme. We may not see you ever again. Thank | :58:12. | :58:14. | |
you. Just time to get the answer to the | :58:15. | :58:37. | |
quiz. I'd get one direction. I think you'll find it's Ross Jones, the | :58:38. | :58:41. | |
mayor. Interestingly, Ed Miliband has slipped to number 40. There you | :58:42. | :58:47. | |
go, the power list in Doncaster. That's it. Back tonight on BBC One | :58:48. | :58:54. | |
with this week after question Time. Here tomorrow on BBC Two at noon. | :58:55. | :58:57. | |
Try to join us. Goodbye. Soak up the atmosphere at the most | :58:58. | :59:02. | |
famous flower show in the world. from the RHS Chelsea Flower Show | :59:03. | :59:07. | |
2016. You look lovely, Mum. | :59:08. | :59:21. | |
Go on, do a twirl. | :59:22. | :59:24. |