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David Cameron and Nigel Farage were both put on the spot last


night before an audience of voters on ITV.


The Ukip leader and Prime Minister both faced - separately -


hostile questions from a studio audience about the EU referendum.


Will the Government extend the deadline to register to vote


Technical glitches hit the official website just hours before


the midnight deadline, leaving wannabe voters


It's Prime Minister's Questions today - will the EU referendum


dominate or will Jeremy Corbyn choose to ask David Cameron


And how does the BBC achieve impartiality


and balance in its coverage of the EU referendum?


What's the main thing I've got to think about?


The key thing in guidelines for a referendum is that we must


All that in the next hour and a half and with us for the duration


Labour's Alan Johnson and Security Minister John Hayes.


Now one of our guests declared this week how proud he is to be


I know what you're thinking, that's not news, we already know


But no, it was Conservative Security Minister John Hayes.


It's something you both have in common.


Let's find out what else you have in common in the next


Now, last night Nigel Farage and David Cameron faced hostile


questions from some audience members in a live show on the UK's


membership of the European Union, on everything from immigration


The Ukip leader was the first to take to the stage.


This is, should be a British passport,


it says European union on it, all right?


I think, to make this country safer, we need to get


back British passports - so we can check anybody else


Are you not embarrassed that Justin Welby today said you're


Well, I'm sorry, and I'm not going to stand here and attack


the Archbishop of Canterbury, but I think he would have


done better to have read actually what I said,


I voted for you in the last election, because one


of the things on your manifesto was to get immigration down.


You haven't been able to do that, because you're not allowed


I can see my standard of living and my family's standard of living


going down because of this influx that we can't control.


Now I'm sorry to say, but your closing statement last week


was that if we leave the EU we are rolling a dice


By you telling us to stay in, you've rolled that dice already.


I worry if we leave, that we're going to see our economy


suffer, because we're going to lose access to the absolutely vital


I would say the right thing to do, the British thing to do,


is to fight for a Great Britain inside the European Union,


and don't take the Nigel Farage 'Little England' option.


Were you happy with how Nigel Farage presented your side of the argument


last night? I present the argument in my way and he does in his. I'm


not going to comment on him because he's a different political party


from mine. I just wondered how you thought he had done. We welcome


anybody who will bike for Brexit, but actually, the argument that is


being made across the spectrum on Brexit is about political power,


where Reddit exercised and how it held to account. I would world in


which people who hold the people who take decisions affecting them to


account in their interests. I'm comfortable when he says things like


if we stay in the EU, the risk more migrants coming here and therefore a


danger that British women will face alone style sex attacks? Are you


comfortable with that? I am sure that part of the EU is that free


movement poses all kinds of problems, but I'm not going to go


into that kind of talk because it's not my style. So you're not


comfortable with it? I'm not in the business of defending Mr garaged on


those specifics. Alan Johnson, the Prime Minister could not give a nod


to the gentleman who wanted to know why a highly skilled non-EU migrant


has trouble hitting here whereas a skilled EU migrant can just walk in?


I don't think he tempted to answer the question. He is in charge of a


highly skilled migrant and so is John, working together, because they


said the system for outside the EU so if we wanted more skilled people


from outside the EU, we can control that. Because that's the deal we


send up to. If you take your route, given who is coming in from the EU,


that could be the price of the single market, useful to be honest


about that and not try to obfuscate, if you want more non-EU, then


overall net migration is going to rise. He is failing at the Betty


controls, that's the problem for him. Last night, thought the


audience were brilliant, thought their questioning was really good.


The problem for David Cameron that Nigel Farage doesn't have is he is a


government minister coming is the Prime Minister responsible for all


this, so they can't just... Let me come back to my question, which is


if we wanted to let in more highly skilled people from outside the


Yukon but we stay in the EE, overall by definition, net migration is


going to go up. -- stay in the EU. If we take in more of the skills we


need from the non-thing-macro. The point is this, and this is where the


Cameron is right, this is a difficult problem to grapple with,


that balance. An Australian -based system, as Andrew Green has pointed


out, just adds to the huge complicity of a bureaucracy of


urology in. It is relevant... Not to my question. If you think the answer


is to leave the EU and thanking the economy, you will create a bigger


problem for your economy and employers in this country. The Messi


said last night that if you are an EU job-seeker, you don't have a job


but you come to look for a job, which many do, 77,000 did last year,


you have to leave up to six months if you haven't found work. That's


not true, is it? It is a strict application of habitual residency.


It is something that would take quite a bureaucracy to actually


police. Habitual residency is not the law here, nor is European law,


and since 1991, there is no compulsion to leave after six


months. My understanding is that the deal came back with on these


negotiations... It wasn't part of the negotiation but it pointed out


and put in his statement to Parliament, that that six-month rule


should apply. The ruling says it's reasonable to ask people to leave


after six months but there is no enforcement mechanism, how would you


identify EU job seekers who have been here for six months, at haven't


found work, how would you identify them to get them to go back? That's


the difficulty, but I don't think it's impossible. Not if still within


the European Union, and if this issue was something you could


discuss among other European Union countries, because it's reciprocal


for our people who go to look for work abroad that you could resolve


that. This law has been in place since 2014, are you aware of any EU


job-seeker sent back under it? I'm not aware of any. So it's not part


of the deal, at the moment, it's also on the EU no, you're not


allowed to systematically verify who is an EU job-seeker and who isn't.


It's not true, is it? When we were in office, we had a register of


workers who were from Eastern Europe and we found 40% of the names on


them had been here already, they had come over as illegal migrants. It's


another aspect of this that we can tackle if we are in the European


Union. Do you accept there is no compulsion for EU job-seeker who has


been here six months and hasn't got work, to go back home? I don't think


that's benevolent, no. I'm not saying it can't be... That's


implemented no. The fact is in your position, we have to choose tween


the single market and controls on EU immigration. Do you accept that the


trade-off and you would rather have control and immigration than access


to the single market? You claim that, but that would depend on the


negotiation. If we left the European Union, we would need to engage with


the European Union countries about the kind of deal we put together.


There is no country that has access to the single market, full access,


doesn't also have free movement with the EU? That is the ultimate that


has been made by Remain. But there was no country of our size and


scale, who wants to trade as much as ours, that has been that position.


The Government is looking into whether it's possible to extend


the deadline to register to vote in the EU referendum,


after a last minute rush in the hours before the midnight


deadline prompted the website to crash.


Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP and the Electoral Commission


The Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron joins us now


Welcome to the programme. Do you know how many people have been


affected by this technical glitch if I can call it that? Technical glitch


is what it is. Many, many thousands. We know that part of million people


attempted to register or successfully did yesterday, a


staggering number, about 300,000 of them were under the age of 35, which


gives you some picture of the breakdown of the demographics of all


of this, but we certainly think tens of thousands. Predominantly young


people but at the moment that is anecdotal. We shouldn't be judging


people on the basis of the point at which they chose to register.


Whether it is in January or somewhere in the middle. The point


is, the system broke down and that should not be a good enough excuse


to exclude these thousands of people from the franchise. Except that they


have had months to register in this referendum, it has not exactly been


a secret, has it? But they are not second class voters. Why didn't they


do it in good time? We shouldn't consider them to be second class


voters because they chose to register to vote on the last day,


it's just as legitimate and should be just as possible to register to


vote at ten or 11:59pm on the last day as it was to register back in


January, for example. What we can't have is those people who registered


within time being excluded because of the banality of a technical


glitch, I don't want to go around pointing the finger at government or


anybody else for this failure, I think it's entirely possible for us


to amend the law in an emergency statutory instrument or order in


Council, the government could do that today. Give people another 24


hours. 24 hours. Is this a sign of desperation on your side of the


argument, you know that young people are more likely to bow to stay in,


you have discovered it may be young people most affected by not


registering on time, so you're desperate to get them on the


register? Certainly come I want to win the referendum. I don't want to


be in a situation that they often wear either side has won marginally,


and a greater number of people were excluded because of this glitch.


It's certainly something which is impressive and interesting that such


a large majority of those who did register on the last day where young


people, and we should all be taking note of the fact that the


overwhelming majority of young people want to remain in the


European Union, those of us who are a bit funny to think it's not about


our sure futures, we are voting for, but then longer ones. -- a bit


older. That sounds reasonable enough. It is of course right that


the cyclical aspects of this have gone awry, and it's being looked at,


but Tim knows this very well, we have all been involved in electoral


processes for a lump sum, there are deadlines for postal votes, proxy


votes, registration, that's what it is like to run an election. You have


got to have a deadline sometime. But if it's a technical glitch, you can


have people who have just left it too late and that was silly, you may


pay the price, but if they left it a bit late but then couldn't at the


last minute get on because of a technical glitch, that would be a


reason for extending it. There is an urgent question at 12.30


on this. Mr Cameron will want this, won't he? We all want it and I hope


John wants, this to reflect the view of the British public of all ages,


and we are all making a big effort to point out it was June seven. In a


sense we were urging them, if you haven't registered now, get


registered. They tried to and there was a glitch, now we need to put


that back by 24-hour. It is a bit different to general election, if


you don't vote in this one you can wait for the next one, this is once


for all decision. You pass a law about a Bill and set deadlines, if


there is a technical problem we have to look at its. We are agreed on


this, so let's leave it. Tim Farron, we have to move on, but thank you.


We will see one happens in the urgent question in PMQs.


Anyone who follows politics knows no party's more prone to bouts


Unless, of course, it's the Conservative Party.


And now, with just 16 days to go to the EU referendum on 23rd June,


the Tories are most definitely in the mood.


It seems a long time ago that Conservatives were optimistically


planning an "orderly, well-mannered debate" which avoided


In March, Iain Duncan Smith delivered a powerful upper-cut,


quitting the Cabinet over welfare cuts but also going rouge over


the EU, saying David Cameron was presiding over "Project Fear".


On Sunday, John Major tried to deliver a knock-out blow


for Remain, claiming that trusting Michael Gove, Boris Johnson and IDS


on the NHS was like "leaving a pet hamster with a hungry python".


But Jacob Rees-Mogg counter-punched for the Leave campaign,


claiming Sir John's remarks were the "bitter ramblings


But it's not just the Conservatives rolling with the punches.


In the red-on-red corner, Labour MP Graham Stringer


sucker-punched Jeremy Corbyn, saying his pro-EU stance


was "not his natural or historic position".


And the Labour leader was hit below the belt by the party's Europhiles,


with Simply Red singer Mick Hucknall calling for him


to stop being a "shabby, spineless coward" and commit


Only another 15 days of this before we're saved by the bell and can


Now, John Hayes, what happened to this well mannered, orderly debate


David Cameron said was going to take place? Let me to you very plainly. I


have a lot of friends on both sides of this debate. Still? Yes, no


disagreement with any of them, this is about much more than that, this


is not about settling old scores. It is about much more than that. The


Prime Minister is clear my views on this, and I hope I remain a friend


and admirer of gum and the Chancellor, who I was with last


night, know are principled opponents on this issue. And they do so at a


higher level than that tittle tattle. You agree it is tittle


tattle? There is a Tory civil war breaking out every weekend in the


television studios. We have a responsibility to elevate above


that. There are two weeks to go and hasn't been elevated... Let's try


and do that today, elevate it, Alan and I will do that. We'll have to


elevate it. It is not just blue on blue, the whole debate needs to be


conducted in a way that is serious and mindful of its significant. You


may want to point and look at Labour. But blue on blue, that is


where most of the animosity has been directed. John Major took aim at


your side saying the campaign was squalid and deceitful, brandishing


Boris Johnson court jester. The Prime Minister has been branded by


your side as unworthy and dishonest. Is that the level of debate... The


Prime Minister stands head and shoulders above the other


politicians, that is why he is Prime Minister and whatever the result, he


should stay Prime Minister. What you make of like Madinda


-- MPs who have written a letter saying he should resign if he loses?


I told you what I think about it. We have a programme of government that


will continue after the 23rd of June. We have to settle this matter.


I hope we leave the European Union. And thereafter David Cameron leads


Britain. What should people do when they say David Cameron has lied


profoundly to the British public and is toast after the referendum? All


party leaders at all times have their critics. There is not a single


political party of any political party that has always enjoyed


universal support. But that is not what this debate is about. Do you


think calling a referendum on the issue has become a proxy for those


critics to talk about leadership? I think there was an inevitability


about a disagreement, but it is up to individual is how to conduct


that. I went to see David Cameron, I work with him very closely, he


wasn't surprised by my views in Europe. Since that time I have had


no row with him or any of my other colleagues. Have you been surprised


by the level of vitriol? Yeah... I'm surprised, certainly displeased. And


you're right, it is very easy to this for all kinds of other reasons.


I'm now, from this moment, making a call to all on both sides to elevate


the debate. You are not the first and probably won't be the last to do


that and it has fallen on deaf ears. How on earth do you stitch this back


together again? Whatever you say, the majority of politicians that


have come here have criticised, in pretty unpleasant terms, the other


side. How do you put a party together again after that? In


political parties, in our British system of government, there are


premiere or disagreements and there are temporary disagreements. That


doesn't mean parties can't hang together. We were elected a year ago


under David Cameron's leadership by the British people to govern this


country. That's what he needs to: doing, I hope outside of the EU.


Jeremy Corbyn is not a historic supporter or fan of the EU. Neither


is Hilary Benn or David Blunkett, if you look at the way people voted in


1975. I'm talking about more recently. Graham is one of a handful


of Labour MPs. If you look at where the Labour Party was last time we


had a referendum, they were split top to bottom, like Tories today.


Harold Wilson went after to try and get a deal and all of that. I take


the criticism we are disunited on many things but on this we are very


united, not just in the Labour Party and Parliamentary Labour Party but


in the trade unions, every major union has come out... I'm not


talking about disunity so much as lack of enthusiasm. If it comes down


to Labour Party members and MPs unable to get their turnout on the


day, that could really adversely affect... Yes, that is why we are


crucial to this. Mick Hucknall is a lifelong supporter. And saying


people like Jeremy Corbyn have not been out there, he has been


spineless, to quote him, not an enthusiastic cheerleader for Remain.


I think Mick has other issues with Jeremy Corbyn and this is just stick


to beat him with. You say he has been out there? Yes. The issue


Jeremy Corbyn is he has done all these town hall meetings across the


country, under the national media radar. The way to do these things is


to do today programme in the morning, do a big speech, dominate


the news all day. Jeremy has done that one we've asked him to do it,


aside from that he has doubled these meetings in Liverpool, Glasgow,


Suffolk. He does these meetings all the time. We want him to do some


more of those high-profile meetings and someone who has been converted,


was in the other camp but now sees the benefits of the EU, and would-be


Prime Minister... If John had come Prime Minister I would back him.


This is where you heard it first. No Prime Minister in their right mind


would suggest taking this country out of the European Union would be


the right thing to do for the people. What has it been like on the


doorstep? I have spoken to a number of Labour MPs who have been shocked


by the level of malaise from Labour voters who are not interested in


voting... And also they are not going to bother to turn out or vote


for Remain. There is that. It hasn't surprised me, because in a sense we


have not taken on this issue, the Labour Party. We have been quiet


about Europe for a long time. Every time the elections for the European


Parliament... We have to go and deliver leaflets... We have not made


the arguments for Europe ever since the time of the single currency and


we should have been, and now we are doing that job and I believe that


the end of the day Labour will be fundamentally a decision to Remain.


Could you put a word it with Jeremy Corbyn to do a one-on-one interview?


Andrew, nobody would do one-on-one interviews with use! How long has he


been Chancellor and Shadow Chancellor? Give Jeremy the same


level of years. I have to wait six years! I don't know if I will be


here. We have had a statement from the leaves campaign. On exchanging


extending the registration period. They say it is doing little to stop


EU nationals from voting on the referendum which needs to be


urgently investigated. Hillary Clinton has won the Californian


primary with 94% of the vote. That is quite a big margin, bigger than


many of the poll suggested. The 475 delegates in California are split


proportionally. A big win in the biggest state for Hillary Clinton.


Mr Bernie Sanders says he will fight on.


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It's coming up to midday here - just take a look at Big Ben -


The penultimate PMQs before the referendum.


Prime Minister's Questions is on its way.


And that's not all - Laura Kuenssberg is here.


Have you had the questions leaked to you? LAUGHTER


I think there are two things we can fairly confidently predict without


any leaks that will come up today. I expect the Prime Minister might try


to mention what has been going on with sterling in advance of the


referendum, which helps them about their warnings on the economy.


Whether that is down to the referendum is an entirely different


discussion, but I think he might crow bar that in there somewhere. I


think it would be very surprising if Jeremy Corbyn doesn't raise this


complete Horlicks with the voting registration website. A theme of


his. Yes, I think it was his first campaign as party leader he began a


campaign to get particularly young people to register. And given what


has happened in the last 24 hours, in a country like ours when all the


politicians have been urging people to vote, saying this is the biggest


decision in decades in Britain today, it feels pretty extraordinary


we cannot get a website work. As completely predictably happened at


the general election when there was a surge of people trying to sign up.


I remember the Obama administration when it began its health-care


reform, you had to go to the website to sign on and it crashed within


about an hour. Governments and websites don't go well together as.


They don't mix well at all. It will never catch on. This is not just a


story about Horlicks in government IT contracts, it's important not


just because of people's right to vote, but also important politically


here already this morning you have Vote Leave saying this is a mess,


but we're worried about the Electoral Commission not doing


enough to check EU citizens haven't somehow managed to register when


they are not entitled to do so in this poll. But also... I'm going to


wait for that, because it is time to Prime Minister's Questions.


Yesterday we commemorated women's suffrage and the importance of votes


for women. And women voting for women. Thousands wanted to vote


yesterday but due to massive demand were unable to. We'll be p.m. Update


the house on what he is doing to ensure everyone has a chance to


register their vote and can do so in this bottle vote for a generation?


Festival, let me join my honourable friend in remembering what the


suffragettes stood for -- Festival. The fact that we're cheap universal


suffrage in this country. On the issue she raises, I'm sure the whole


house will want to know the situation, it's extremely welcome


that so many people want to take part in this massive democratic


exercise, in this vital decision for our country, last night there was


record demand on the website from people concerned they might not be


registered to vote in the referendum and this caused an overload of the


system. I am clear that people should continue to register today.


The electoral commission have made a statement, they urge the


government... They will effectively extend the deadline. To make sure


those who registered today, and who registered last night, will be able


to vote in the EU referendum. I think it would be appropriate of the


house recognise and remembered the life of Mohammed Khalid today, not


only the greatest in his chosen field but someone who's coach and


which inspired so many -- Muhammad Ali. I had the honour of meeting his


wife in the nuts and 80s. I think we should commend his bravery in facing


Parkinson's disease. On campaigning on civil rights, antiracism and


peace, we have all lost one of the greatest. Yesterday, I met some


workers from sports direct to come to Parliament to give evidence about


the shocking behaviour of that company, nonpayment of the minimum


wage, a culture of intimidation and fear, on top of the insecurity and


exploitation of zero hours contracts. Philip wrote to me this


week on this issue and concerned about it, said, the scandalous


scourge of zero hours contracts, which is blighting the lives of many


already low-paid people. Will the Prime Minister do what some other


European countries have done and ban exploitative zero hours contracts


here? First let me join the Leader of the Opposition in pain should be


the life of Muhammad Lee, he was a hero in the ring, an enormous role


model outside the ring, what did it in terms of breaking down barriers


and encouraging integration is something should all celebrate. And


I'm sure we all try to plug a butterfly and sting like a bee at


this dispatch box though it's not always possible in the circumstances


we face. On the issue of sports direct and the appalling practice of


not paying the minimum wage, I have heard it and this government has


done more than any previous government to crack down on the


nonpayment. We have levelled almost 5000 penalties since 2010, we


continue to name and shame eligible employees when they investigation


has been closed -- eligible employers. And it is the nonpayment


are at a record high and the total value of penalties last year was 15


times bigger than in 2010, so on top of our national living wage, we are


going after unscrupulous employers and making sure people get the deal


they deserve. On the issue of zero hours contracts, religious leaders


in the last Parliament to stop exclusive zero hours Parliament but


people at the conclusion of our consultation, which is shouldn't go


further than that and for some people, they want to have the of


those contracts. The case of sports direct shows that he would Mike


Ashley would make Scrooge like a good employer, but we should commend


the unions were exposing what went on and shows we must strengthen, not


weaken, workers' rights, particularly when there is criminal


activity involved. But his government... Employment Minister


said that if we leave Europe, we could just half the burdens of the


European Union, social and implement legislation. Perhaps the Prime


Minister could help us. There she speak on behalf of the government


when she promises to reduce the burden is, as she describes them, of


employment legislation, or on behalf of whom does she speak? The


government is in favour of staying in a reformed European Union because


we are stronger, safer and better off. For many people, one of the


reasons they will want to stay in the European Union is that they do


believe it provides an underpinning in terms of rights for workers and


implement rights. I would make the point in addition that we in this


house have repeatedly gone over and above those rights, we have the


right to request flexible working for all workers since 2014, we went


well beyond the maternity leave EU directive, giving 52 weeks maternity


leave, given shared parental leave, eight days more annual leave for


full-time workers than the EU working time directive. I believe


this modern, compassionate Conservative government has an


excellent record on these things, underpinned by our membership of the


European Union. If it is a modern, compassionate Conservative


government, as he describes it, why does it have an implement minister


who wants to reduce the burdens, she describes it, of employment


legislation and make work less secure? Could I quote one other


person who has given some opinions on these matters, he says, "I can't


guarantee every person currently in their current job will keep their


job. " That was the member for Surrey Heath who is the justice


minister, who seems equally relaxed about unemployment rights. So here's


the point Mr and a Justice minister who want to reduce what they


describe as workers protection as a burden. Can he do something about


that? As he knows, we are holding a referendum, that is what is


happening. The government has a clear position, which is we are


stronger, safer and better off inside a European Union, that is the


advice we are giving the boat is in our country, but there are ministers


in the government who in a personal capacity campaigning on another side


of the argument. I don't agree with them. So I don't agree with what the


honourable member for Surrey Heath says, although the honourable member


for which says, and I couldn't be clearer about that, the government


has a clear position. And on this issue, not only do he and I agree,


but only does the Conservative government and the Labour Party


agree, but we also have the support of the Liberal Democrats, the


support of the Ulster Unionist party, the support of the Green


party, this is one occasion when business is large and small and


trade unions are on the same site and I think we should celebrate that


and get out and campaign as hard as we can. But I do celebrate is the


work done by trade unions all across Europe. Persuading the European


Union to bring in four weeks paid holiday, laws against sex


discrimination, writes for part-time workers, writes for agency workers.


But two weeks ago, I raised with the Prime Minister the proposed


amendment to the posting of workers directive to close a loophole that


allows unscrupulous employers to exploit migrant workers and undercut


wages here. Will he now reply to my question and confirm that he will


argue in Europe for the amendment to close this loophole that allows this


exploitation to go on? I think I said last, we support the current


draft, we went to see this sorted out, we have been working with the


Dutch Prime Minister who is reading this work and we think an amendment


to this will be worthwhile. The current draft is good and we back


it. I'm pleased he is backing it but I hope he ensures it goes through.


There is another issue I raised with him a couple of weeks ago full stop


and that is the anger that exists all over this country, indeed all


over the western world, about tax avoidance. I agree that we are more


likely to make progress inside the European Union than outside on tax


avoidance, but his members of the European Parliament have not been


supporting country by country tax transparency, that would force


companies to publish their tax payments in each country in which


they operate. Will he now tell us when this is going to be supported


by his MEPs, when it will go through, to close down just one of


the many tax loopholes that exist at the present time? Festival, I would


do that no government has done more nationally the crackdown on tax


evasion -- first of all. And I would also argue that no government has


done more internationally to bring this up the international agenda,


made it my centrepiece of the G8, we are now driving change in the


European union. Let me confirm, my MEPs to support country by country


reporting and they have said that over and over again and I'm happy to


repeat that again. I'm really pleased that his MEPs support it, we


are all delighted about that, I'd hope they get round to voting for it


when the opportunity comes up because that would certainly help.


He will be aware that the Labour position is that we want to stay in


the European Union to improve workers's writes, tackle


exportation, drive down tax evasion and tax avoidance. But we are


concerned that these issues are not the priorities of members of his


government and his party, such as the member for Uxbridge, the member


for Surrey Heath and the member for that. They are speaking to try and


destroy any of the social advances made within the European Union. Does


he talk to them about this at any time and do they speak for


themselves or him and his government, and if they speak for


themselves, how are they ministers at the same time? And here I am


trying to be so consensual. I am doing my best. I could of course


mention that the honourable member for Edgbaston was out there


yesterday spelling for Nigel Farage? But I don't want to play that game.


I'd want to stress the unity of purpose, particularly over tax


evasion, because there is a serious point here. What we have in prospect


in the European Union, in part because of British action is the


idea of saying that if large foreign multinationals want to invest in the


European Union, they will have two report... All over the world.


They can unite and saves will be a good thing and shows that when


Britain pushes an agenda in Europe, it wins for our citizens. The Prime


Minister has repeatedly stated that he secured changes to reform in the


EU, will he now confirmed that on the 3rd of June, the voters are not


guaranteed any treaty change to EU nor, as no treaty change was


achieved despite a promise to deliver international agreement


cannot change EU nor? Finally released up-to-date grating our


great country, it is a sign he's losing the argument. -- can he stop


denigrating our great country. I know he has strong views about this


issue and so do I, but on the specific point you wrote is, I'm


afraid he's not correct. In the renegotiation we secured the vital


treaty changes, one on getting Britain out of ever closer union,


and on the protection for our currency. I don't except for one


minute that in any way supporting Britain being a member of reform


European Union is turning our country down. I think if you love


your country can really wanted to be strong in the world, if you love


your country, you want opportunities for young people, you don't want to


act in a row that could lead to its break-up and that is why what I want


to see is not Nigel Farage's little England, I want to see a strong


Britain in Europe. Last week, thousands of dead from both sides in


the battle of Jutland well remembered in conversions. -- the


rhythm that. The Prime Minister joined the Princess Royal, President


of Germany and the First Minister, with thousands of people on Orkney


to remember the tragedy. European cooperation emerged from both world


wars as the best way to secure peace. Does the Prime Minister agree


that we should never take peace and security for granted and that it is


a strong reason to remain in the European union?


I think the right honourable gentleman is right about this, there


were very memorable scenes as we stood on that cemetery ground and in


the background the British and German frigates together was a sight


I am not going to forget, as we commemorated and remembered how many


people lost their lives. I want to be clear about this. The words world


War three have never passed my lips, let me reassure everyone about that,


but can we really take for granted... Of course, they have now


well spotted a! LAUGHTER Can we really take for granted the


security and stability we enjoy today, when we know our continent


has been wracked by so many conflicts in the past. Like all


Conservatives, I would always give the greatest credit to Nato for


keeping the peace but I think it has always been a Conservative view the


European Union has played its role as well.


This is not about world War Three but the reality on facts that there


have been at war is on the European continent, but outside the European


Union Bay have happened in the Balkans, Ukraine, the Caucasus, it


is also a fact there have never, ever been any examples, not one


single example of armed conflict between member states of the


European Union. Will the Prime Minister take the time, the little


time that is left ahead of the European referendum, to stress the


positive advantages of cooperation, of peace and of stability to us all,


not just the single market all the rights we have as citizens, peace


and prosperity is an advantage to us all and that is why we should remain


in the European Union. I think the strongest argument for


the Government's position of wanting us to stay is we will be better off,


that that market a 500 million people is absolutely essential for


our businesses. I think the argument I was just making that we would be


stronger in the world, in terms of getting things done for Britain and


our citizens is important, but the argument that we are safer and more


secure because of the European Union is a means for dialogue between


countries that were previously adversaries and something I will


never forget. However frustrating it can get around that table with 27


other prime ministers and presidents, you never forget these


were countries previously in conflict. Now we talk, discussed,


argued and decide that is a far better way of doing things.


If my constituents in the coalfields of Nottinghamshire are to share in


the economic success driven by this government, they have to have access


to employment via good quality public services. Can the Prime


Minister give me any assistance in my campaign to open the Robin Hood


to Linux, to extend it to various vintages so we can get them on a


train into a job? -- extend the line? Quality infrastructure is


vital for our economy and I am pleased to say following


representations from my honourable friend and others, the Department


for Transport have revised the project so lines like the Robin Hood


line can benefit from government money to kick-start the man get them


going. In 2003, the current Prime Minister


and most of today's cabinet joined Tony Blair and his Cabinet at the


time in joining the war in Iraq. This is historically factual and


cannot be denied. We'll not the judgment of Chilcott be discredited


if the report fails to recognise that the then Prime Minister


honestly and genuinely believed that his actions, given the information


available, was the right thing to do at the time? What I would say to the


right honourable lady, and I remember very powerful speeches she


made at the time with all the concerns she had for the people in


Iraq, and particularly the Kurds, we should wait for the Chilcot Report


and what it has to say. I have no idea what is in it, all I do know is


its publication is coming quite soon.


The European Union recently admitted it has a black hole in its finances


of around ?19 billion. 18 months ago my right honourable friend said he


won't not pay the EU the surcharge, effectively a final British


taxpayers, yet he later was forced to pay up. What reassurance with my


right honourable friend give the House that hard-working British


taxpayers will not be forced to pay money in this black hole of our


nation votes to stay in the European Union and would he accept our only


option is for our constituents to vote to Leave the EU?


The reassurance I can give my right honourable friend is we fixed the


European budget for a seven-year period between 2014-2020 and we


fixed the total for that budget that was lower than the previous seven


year period and means European budgets are going to go down and not


up. That cannot be changed. This is a very important point, the overall


ceiling of spending is determined by all 28 Prime Minister 's and


presidents. There is a veto over changing it, just as there is a veto


over the British rebate. The only person who can give up British


rebate is the British Prime Minister and as I long as I'm standing here


and Prime Minister there is absolutely no prospect of that


happening. Now, I will, as he ended his question with a remark, I will


end mine with a remark there is no expert that is saying we would make


a saving from leaving the EU. The only black hole there would be would


be in our public finances because we would have a smaller economy, lower


tax receipts, so we would have to cut spending or put up taxes to make


up for the fact. Provided audio and visual


information... I have asked the transport minister on this subject.


Could the Prime Minister commit his government to sign up to an


amendment to the buses Bill which would provide better access ability


for all? I will look very closely at what he


says. I think I am right in saying the buses Bill is a devolved matter,


so it affects issues in England rather than issues in Scotland. But


let me look carefully at what it says because we want to make sure


disabled people can properly use the bus services we have.


My right honourable friend will be aware it is five years since the


announcement by Pfizer to scale down operations. Since then with


enterprise zone status there has been an enterprise of high-tech


businesses on site within climate levels now up to nearly the previous


position. He has previously promised a trip to South Thanet, can I ask


once more to come see the success in my constituency?


I am delighted to make that... To answer that offer and say I would


like to go. Ira member very well it was early in 2010 when Pfizer made


that decision. I think there were real concerns this would lead to an


exit of jobs and investment in my right honourable friend's


constituency. Want to take pay tribute to David Willetts, who did a


great job working with others, including a local MP, to get


businesses to locate in the constituency and to show there is a


very strong pharmaceutical and life sciences industry in our country,


providing the jobs we need. With industrialists like Braque so


and had touchy saying if we left the jobs would be lost, the Brexit


economist has revealed their strategy means manufacturing would


be mostly eliminated. Would the Prime Minister join me... In calling


on the Brexit leaders to say how many other people's jobs they would


sacrifice on the altar of their own bid...


I think the honourable lady makes an important point, which is one of the


reasons why it international companies like Hitachi invest here


is because we are members of the single market. I did what the head


of Hitachi said this week about wanting us to be the European


headquarters, to manufacture those trained in the north-east and solve


all over Europe and how that might not be possible if we were to leave


was an incredibly powerful statement. So in my clear view, jobs


come first, and if people want to vote for jobs, they should vote for


Remain on the 23rd of June. Speaking at many universities,


colleges and schools across England, and also through organisations


organised by the universities UK, University UK and Allianz group I


have been struck by the strong interest young people have in


remaining in the EU. Does the Prime Minister agree with me that Britain


should take a firm lead in the European Union to promote the


interests of young people and for their careers, research and


opportunities in the future generally?


I think our universities have been pretty much unanimous in recommended


we vote to stay in the EU, I think that is partly because of the


opportunities young people will have of being in the single market of 500


million people. Also our universities do well from research


funding which is helping to create the businesses and jobs of the


future, where we contribute 11 seven of the budget, we received 16% of


the allocated funding. Staying in Europe is good for students opted to


use, good for young people's opportunities and good for science


base. Yesterday the defence committee,


Admiral Lord West, commented the Ministry of Defence had effectively


run out of money for shipbuilding. Given reports another vessel had to


be a squatted over British waters overnight, does the Prime Minister


agree that the delay in building new frigates is causing problems and it


is essential the money is allocated to deliver this programme in full


and on schedule? It is certainly not the case that


this country in anyway has run out of money, or run out of ambition


when it comes to shipbuilding. We are currently building the two


largest ships the Royal Navy has ever had and we are shortly going to


be commissioning the type 26 programme, as well as the offshore


patrol vessels. The point I would make to the honourable member is


there is only one way we could threaten shipbuilding on the Clyde


and that would be to pull out of the United Kingdom and see the jobs be


decimated as a result. Mr Speaker, the beauty of a


referendum is that every voter has an equal voice, every vote carries


equal weight and members of Parliament have no more political


superiority over anyone else. Does my right honourable friend accept


the referendum is not a consultation but an instruction to Parliament


from the British people? Is it not incumbent on all of us to accept in


advance that Remain would mean remain and Leave would mean leaves,


and any attempt to short-change or distort the verdict of the British


people would be a democratic outrage?


I think my right honourable friend is absolutely right. Every vote


counts the same. We have asked the British people for their opinion and


we should treat their decision as an instruction to deliver. I know many


people would like me to be a bit more nuanced in what I think, to say


there are two options, they both have some merit, it is a balanced


decision. That might have made my life easier but the problem is, I


don't believe it. I very strongly believe we are better off if we stay


in and that is why the Government is saying so clearly to the British


people and I am saying clearly, better off stronger and safer, but


in the end it is the British people's decision.


Only last week the Prime Minister was rightly extolling the virtues of


the EU as a means to tackle pollution. Yet over recent months


the UK Government has led efforts to water down a key you directive aimed


at reducing the number of people who die every year from breathing in


toxic air. Can you tell us why? What we're doing in our own country


is making sure we improve our air quality, go for these cleaner air


zones and we have seen a major reduction in particular is in the


air over the last two years and we continue doing just that.


What the Prime Minister said today I think is right, we have to go and


campaign. But I remember what you said yesterday about notifying


members if they are going to be in the constituency. Can I say to the


Prime Minister, a group of leave campaigners will be descending on


Whitney at lunchtime on the Sunday. I will be there. And will the Prime


Minister be able to join as and given what he has just said, would


he confirm that if the country votes to Leave, he would be able to stay


on as Prime Minister and negotiate the exit?


I am very sorry I won't be able to meet my honourable friend. I am


making an appearance on the Andrew Marr programme on Sunday, but I


would recommend he goes to the fleece pub in Whitney and spends as


much time and money there rather than anything else.


Will we have a decision into the Davis report on airport expansion by


The Times the House rises this summer and does he stand by his


word, personally, no ifs, no buts, no third runway at Heathrow question


mark I absolutely stand by what I said, that we will have a decision


by this in the summer and we do need to decide.


Next week the breakfast will take place in Westminster Hall when 600


people will gather, yet also this week we hear of a Christian union


being banned from holding prayer and Bible study meetings. Reportedly on


the grounds that government's anti-terrorism prevent strategy.


Does the Prime Minister agrees such action moves never intended?


Of course, what my honourable friend says is right. I will not be able to


attend the prayer breakfast. I know is a very good event and brings a


lot of people together and means a lot to Christians around our


country. The point she makes about the present duty being misused, I


haven't heard of that exact example, but it is clearly ludicrous. People


do need to exercise some common sense in making these judgments


because it is quite clear that was not what was intended.


Every day around 6000 people, many children, take on new caring


responsible at his providing on paid care for a family member or friend.


Yet many carers say they feel abandoned by everyone, including the


Government. Will the pride as the pledges government to do much better


for the 9500 carers in my constituency and the many across the


country customer I pay tribute to the carers across our country for


the selfless work they do, for the immense amount of money they save


taxpayers every year. But above all, for the love and


commitment they give to the people they are caring for. What we have


done is try to help by increasing the number of carers breaks, because


many carers will say the one thing they need to go on caring is an


occasional break and this time away from their caring responsible at


ease. We should continue to work on all those things to help our carers.


The largest single source of employment and wealth in my


constituency is the London based financial services market. Does the


Prime Minister agree with me that the opportunity to continue trading


freely in a 500 million single market in financial services, with


completed capital markets union is an unparalleled and optimistic


opportunity for my constituents and one though no sensible businessman


would turn his back on. My honourable friend makes an important


point and here it is worth understanding what the single market


means. It means a financial services company based in the UK effectively


has a passport to trade in 27 other EU countries. If we are to leave and


if we leave the single market, we lose that passport right. So by


definition, many of the firms would have to relocate at least some of


their staff into another European Union country. HSBC have said they


would have to scrap 1000 jobs. JP Morgan said they


would have to scrap 4000 jobs. Lloyd's came out and said many jobs


in insurance would be under threat. This is a concrete example of why


the single market matters. I would make the point, because this doesn't


just affect his constituency but two thirds of jobs at our outside London


and this accounts for 7% of Arab, me. So when experts warn of effects


on jobs and To with me that about to leave on


the 23rd of June would be a hammer blow for the British steel industry?


Would he agree to meet with me in order to discuss a number of


decisions being made in the context of the sale process, imminent


decisions that will have a huge impact on thousands of jobs in


marketed to unseat? I am looking? My honourable gentleman as is the


Business Secretary to help in what we can to secure a future for Tata,


and that sales process is progressing. We are better off


inside the European Union for steel because together, as one of 28


countries, we are better able to stand up, whether it is to the


Chinese or Americans, over dump steel. Where we put in place those


dumping tariffs you can see 99% reductions in the quantity of


Chinese deal in this category is being imported into the EU. We still


face a difficult situation, there is massive overcapacity but we are


definitely better off as part of this organisation, fighting for


British steel workers jobs. Will the address an issue that the Remain


campaign has pledged and that is our present immigration policy, in all


truthfulness, cannot control the numbers coming in from the EU for


the benefit of our public services but actually discriminates against


the rest of the world, outside the EU? Having spent my evening


yesterday with Mr Farage, I'm confused about what it was that the


Leave can actually want, thought they would less immigration but


never seem to want more immigration from the EU into our country. -- now


they seem to want. You should come and work ever for years before you


get full access to our welfare system, no more something for


nothing, people pay in before they get out and then we should focus on


proper controls on migration from outside the EU on which we have made


some progress and we can do more. That's the right answer, but the


alternative, of an Australian point system, they have twice as much


immigration per head as we have here in the UK. That's not the right


answer for Britain. As he reaches the end of his time in office...


President Obama reflected... His worst mistake was the catastrophe in


Libya. What was the Prime Minister's worst mistake in his time in office?


The time to reflect on your mistakes is clearly close to the end of your


time in office so that doesn't apply!


I'm sure the honourable lady is delighted to receive...


PMQ 's coming to an end there. Mr Corbyn brought up the issue of


sports direct. -- Sports Direct. On the number of problems they were


having in that company, working practices there. And a couple of


questions on that, he moved on to the need for the EU to provide


workers's writes, he decided to attack Priti Patel, who is


campaigning to leave the EU. She is an employment minister who says she


wants fewer rights for workers. And he talked about the originating the


labour market and he brought up the posted workers directive again. And


country by country reporting of profits. We will look at all of this


in a minute. I think it is still going on, at the moment. I'm not


sure if we are going back to it. We have come out a bit early, let's go


back in. The Prime Minister ensure that given


the number of visitors and the security threats and all the rest of


it that the British Embassy and consular staff are fully geared up


and resourced to deal with the problems that will arise


undoubtedly? I'm grateful for the Right Honourable member for rating


this issue and I'm sure this is one occasion when the whole house will


want all the Home Nations to stay in Europe for as long as possible. Come


on now. I'm going to be watching. Our first game is England against


Russia, and I'm going to be watching carefully to check we get strong


support! But he makes an important point, which is that this is a very


big security undertaking, half a million people are planning to leave


the UK to go to this tournament, we have set out clear travel advice


because people do need to know that there is a significant terrorist


threat in France today and there is a potential threat to this


tournament. We set out clearly, the threat level in front is critical,


the threat level for the tournament is severe and people need to know


that. The French security operation is enormous, 77,000 police, 10,000


military personnel, 13,000 security guards, we're providing additional


public order support to the French, including deployment of additional


police on trains into France, outbound checks and we are helping


with sniffer dogs and other areas the French ask us for. We all want


to see a great celebration of European football. I wish all the


Home Nations well, it's brilliant that Northern Ireland have made it


to this tournament and of course Wales and of course England. I look


forward to, in the breaks in this campaign, watching sympathetic


football. I think that is the end of PMQ 's! I


gave a summary of what Mr Corbyn had said so no need to repeat it. You


said it was the penultimate PMQ 's today, I think you are right, there


could be one next week, the house is rising on Wednesday so there should


be won but there is a possibility it might be cancelled before the


referendum. I certainly hope not! E-mails. He said, tactically strong


punches from Jeremy Corbyn who cleverly argued for a social Europe.


No knockout but Mr Cameron was on the ropes. Helen said Jeremy Corbyn


is boring us all with the minutiae of the EU. Someone tell him no one


can guarantee anyone's job. John said perhaps it's time for him to


realise there are times even for the Leader of the Opposition, to back


the Prime Minister, especially when they hold the same view is that UK


should remain within the EU, or is this a lie? Jeffery says the Messi


was upbeat considering the pressure he is under, his comments about


other parties supporting him was pretty desperate stuff -- says the


Prime Minister was upbeat. Did we learn from the Prime Minister about


this vote of the station business, the website crashing last night,


people who want to register not able to do, calls for an extension?


Always happy to be wrong, Jeremy Corbyn did actually raise it above


the Prime Minister Inc that into his answers. There are talks going on


between the government and the electoral commission, looking for a


way to legally and practically extending the deadline somehow. It's


not clear how that will be, were in uncharted territory here because the


deadline is normally hard and fast deadline, because there has to be


some kind of deadline, if we extended the 24 hours and suddenly


there was a rush tonight on the website crashed again, do you do it


all again next day? Local authorities have two Eric Abidal


after they go to this website so a lot of people will have thought, we


have fixed the website, there is an important verification process to


combat electoral fraud after you have signed up. But watch this


space, we're not quite sure what it's going to be but I think the


government is clearly keen to come up with some kind of deal that has


the effect of an extension. We see big numbers for registration but is


it not true that among those who have been rushing to register, they


had not been entitled to register, some of them, and some of them are


actually already registered? Important to caveat this, so we know


that half a million people have registered on the website in recent


days, a huge number, many of them may already be on the register. Just


in case you go on, you sign up again to make sure you get your polling


card, so we don't know how many of them are new voters who want to vote


for the first time, or not. What we know is huge numbers of people have


been under 35, hypothetically plays well for the Remain side. As you


say, there is concern about people who might not be entitled to vote,


this is something that vote Leave are talking about. EU nationals who


live in this country, even who have been here for a while and work and


pay tax and National Insurance, they are not allowed the boat? Not


automatically, you then get into a question about links of residency.


The Schalke links. You have to apply for it, that takes time. Same


process as a general election. He will have to tell his wife she is


not entitled to vote. The recent white it is considerably younger


people is used to register on the part of household, that changed to


individual registration and the people who missed out the most were


the kids who had gone off to live elsewhere. That started under


Michael Wales, great friend of mine. The point that was it was to deal


with fraud. Individual registration was designed to make sure people


didn't register a whole group of people, some of whom were entitled


and sunburnt. At the moment, the website is close, there is no point


in them going to register? We don't know that, we don't know the


situation has changed, a source said to me that people should keep going


and basically keep trying to see what happens. Because the website is


a website that is there all the time. So if you register... I don't


think it has crashed at the moment but what we don't know is if you


register now, whether you will get onto the enrolling for the


referendum or just for future elections.


If they don't sort this out there could be some argy-bargy at the


polling booths. Most people think this referendum is going to be


tight, and therefore what the Government wants to do is squashed


down any reason that might give people hesitation after the vote to


say somehow this wasn't fair, there was foul play here, anything in a


close vote which might shift it one way or the other. The tickly for the


Leave side who feel so strongly about this and making calls about


there not being a level playing field because of the Government


taking a position. Two other brief things worth pointing out, the Prime


Minister pretty much killed off the idea that MPs might be able to vote


to stop us leaving the single market, if we choose to leave the


EU. That was floated this week by Mike Conley, James Landale. And he


confirmed there will be a decision on runways this summer. -- by my


colleague. In the south-east. Precisely. One member of parliament


said to me a couple of weeks ago, this is only going one way. The very


widespread expectation that if David Cameron winds the runway will go


ahead. Hugely contentious, it might not go that way, but that is the


direction of travel. On voter registration, if you haven't got


registered and you think you are entitled to and want to, you should


keep going to the website? Yes, from the conversations I've had they


should keep going but keep up... The BBC, as soon as we have clarity, we


will let everyone know. We have only had the universal franchise for a


100 years...! LAUGHTER Should just have a quill pen. What


was Jeremy Corbyn trying to achieve today? Two things I think. The first


was to point out if we stay within the European Union re-form is a


process, not an event that you can do more within the European Union.


On things like workers' rights, that's very important to us. A


social dimension of Europe that we are really concerned about. Issues


like the agency workers directive can be improved upon, and that is an


important message to be made. I think the second thing he was doing


was this extraordinary, what I call collective irresponsibility. Cameron


has allowed his cabinet and ministers to take whatever side they


want, but for some of them to be in government and responsible for the


issues they are complaining about, but not dealing with them


themselves, such as pretty Patel and Michael Gove... What happens ran


that Cabinet table? Are issues they have raised about migration outside


Europe, of which they have total control? I think with some subtlety


he raised those two issues in his string of questions. Would it not


have made more impact to develop these Sports Direct story? You must


regard that as a rich seam for improving workers conditions


question out and the BHS situation where 11,000 workers are going to


lose their jobs, through no. Their own. They have never been on strike


or asked for huge wage increase. They have all been hard-working. If


you take Sports Direct and BHS, you could make a case, especially if you


are Labour leader, for the unacceptable face of capitalism? But


you only get so many questions. I am pleased he went on Europe, both of


those issues can be resolved with domestic legislation. The people


from HMRC, who police the minimum wage. I think if there is a link


between the two, Jeremy would know the Mike Ashley situation, these


Sports Direct situation, if anyone thought those kind of things were


confined to the 19th or late 20th-century, they are still going


on now. Juxtaposing that with the need for greater worker protection I


think with a sensible move, and the European dimension of that. I know


you all want to know, Michael Hancock has made a statement on


voter registration. We're looking at all options, looking to see we can


extend the deadline for applying to vote in the EU referendum. The


website is now open and working. We strongly encourage people to


register to vote online. Anyone who has already registered does not need


to submit a fresh application. We are also offering additional


resources to electoral registration officers to cover any additional


admin costs. There we are. We have used the latest. Laura, thank you


for being with us. Pleasure. Throughout the next week,


we are going to be running a number of short films looking at how


the BBC handles its coverage of the EU referendum,


with the aim of achieving We will look at how the BBC selects


audiences, how presenters do fair interviews and how to pick


perfect political panels. Today, Adam starts by looking


at the editorial guidelines the BBC Covering the EU referendum, we have


to stick to a set of guidelines produced by BBC editorial


adviser Rick Bailey, who I treat as a sort


of 24/7 impartiality hotline. So what's the main thing


I've got to think about? The key thing in guidelines


for a referendum is that we must achieve broad


balance, in other words, it's not about maths,


it's about really good judgment and being fair to both


sides in a consistent way. And the balance we're


trying to achieve is between the arguments,


the argument for Remain It's not necessarily


between the campaigns, So the key thing is the broad


balance the arguments in a Meanwhile the Prime Minister


is giving a big speech Is it all right for David


Cameron's speech to be the The Prime Minister's view is really


important, and the strategy of the Prime Minister


and Downing Street and the Remain side,


it's important we cover that Don't forget that it's


a very long campaign. So you don't have to measure each


and every day and every bulletin to get


perfect balance. What you have to do is think


about being really consistent in the way you cover both sides,


across the whole campaign. So of course that will mean David


Cameron will get a lot of coverage on a day when he is making a big


speech, but we need to approach the other side and their arguments


in a similar way, to make sure the audience are hearing those, that


range of argument in a balanced way. Campaigners for Britain


to leave the EU have been attacking Barack Obama


following his comments What do we do when someone


like President Obama gets involved? Part of our job is to analyse that


and scrutinise it and make sure You don't get balance by saying,


we've had one president saying he is on the Remain side,


we'd better find another American president who takes


the opposite view. Our job is to do good journalism,


and find out It's important the audiences hears


all the arguments about that. Hi, Rick, it's Adam,


what I do about the opinion In a referendum, where it's


a one-off, where we haven't had a vote like this for a long time,


the amount of data available is very limited, so opinion polls


in referendums are very problematic. We will cover them,


of course, because what happens in them will affect


the politics and will affect how each side approaches it,


but we will approach opinion polls Great, thanks, I promise


you won't hassle you anymore. And Rick also writes


guidance to help BBC journalists stay impartial


during We have been scrupulously balanced


on this programme, as demonstrated by our two guests. Let's talk about


the truthfulness and honesty of the campaigns. Do you think questioning


the honesty of the other side, which has been a key way politicians have


tried to discredit the other side, has been a responsible way of


conducting the campaign? I said it should be measured campaign and


about the big issues. You don't think... The key thing about this is


however many facts you want, you want more. Voters say we don't have


enough facts, but you have to go with your common sense, York


experience, your heart. Art matters. We getting into the minute I have


facts? Hang on a minute, is this the truth or a lie. The Prime Minister


says Turkey won't join the EU. True or not? Turkey have applied to join


the EU and are on the waiting list. We passed a motion a short time ago.


But of course, he is right it is not going to happen imminently. If we


said they will come in tomorrow that would be untrue. But Turkey


certainly want to be in the EU. Vote leaves have put out in response to


David Cameron's appearance on the show last night on ITV, what they


point out as five outright lies. The campaign is looking through the


prism of truth and lies. At the end of the day there are always debates


in all campaigns, all political exchange about who is right and who


is wrong, of course that is true. But I don't think slurs are helpful


and either side and it has happened on both sides. 80 million Turks will


be able to have access to the UK if we stay in the EU? 85 million. It


has gone up. I think the Leave side have been absolutely disgraceful


about this. The posters don't say Turkey might join the EU but Turkey


are joining the EU. It will take longer than my lifetime, given that


they closed one chapter... Given the situation with Cyprus and their


record with human rights. As it been an edifying way to conduct the


campaign? No. On your side as well, lies, truth... When someone says 75


million Turks, the whole population of Turkey going to wait at Calais to


come to Britain... Come on! 350 million, they state we sent ?350


million every week to the EU. We have to stop you there. In interest


on balance we have to stop you there because we have run out of time.


Now, just to let you know that I'll be on BBC One tonight for the second


in my series of four extensive interviews with leading campaigners


I've already spoken to the Shadow Foreign Secretary Hilary Benn,


and tonight, I'll be joined live by the Chancellor,


On Friday, I'll be interviewing Ukip leader Nigel Farage.


And then the following Friday - that's June 17th -


I'll be speaking to Leave campaigner and former


Tory Cabinet Minister, Iain Duncan Smith, at the later time


There's just time to put you out of your misery and give


Robert got 1984, well done. I should have said, press the red button. Too


late. You have both done it. Unity. They are both doing it! Thanks to


all of our guests, I hope you can join me tonight. Goodbye.


It's home to a million people at any one time...


..consumes tens of millions of meals,


burns around ?150 billion worth of jet fuel...


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