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George Osborne says he'll be forced to break his own manifesto promises | :00:36. | :00:41. | |
if Britain votes to leave the EU next week, raising taxes | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
But has the threat of a punishment budget backfired? | :00:45. | :00:52. | |
The Chancellor's warning of further cuts and tax rises to come has | :00:53. | :00:54. | |
sparked a major backlash among many Conservative MPs backing Leave, | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
who say Project Fear has gone into hyperspace. | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
Will those Conservatives show their frustrations at the final | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
Prime Minister's Questions before the referendum, and how | :01:07. | :01:08. | |
will Jeremy Corbyn respond to the threat of more austerity? | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
We'll bring you all the action from the Commons live at midday. | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
Philip Green has told a Commons committee he's sorry | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
for the demise of BHS - but has the billionaire businessman | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
done enough to convince sceptical MPs? | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
And is Nigel Farage all at sea as he leads a flotilla of fishing | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
boats up the Thames to Westminster in protest at EU fishing quotas? | :01:30. | :01:46. | |
A nice day for sailing up the Thames! We could have done the | :01:47. | :01:54. | |
programme from the back of the vote! Ann wrote | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
of the programme today, two MPs who know a thing or two | :01:59. | :02:05. | |
about drifting rudderless through choppy political waters - | :02:06. | :02:07. | |
it's the Conservative minister, backing Remain, Ed Vaizey, | :02:08. | :02:09. | |
and the Labour MP, backing Leave, John Mann. | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
The referendum campaign feels tense, fraught, and perhaps | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
Spooked by a tightening of the opinion polls, | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
the Remain camp are hammering home their message on the economic | :02:19. | :02:20. | |
impact of a vote to leave the EU with the promise of | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
a gloomy emergency budget to follow soon after. | :02:24. | :02:25. | |
It's gone down like a cup of cold sick among | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
Leave, meanwhile, are still desperate to show they've got a plan | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
for what the UK would look like after exiting the EU, | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
even if they're not in the position to make promises, given they're | :02:37. | :02:39. | |
So both sides today are claiming to have a pretty accurate vision | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
of how events could unfold after the vote next Thursday - | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
The Leave campaign has published a Queen's Speech-style "road map" | :02:50. | :03:05. | |
to show how the UK could split from the EU by 2020. | :03:06. | :03:11. | |
They claim new laws could be introduced to end the automatic | :03:12. | :03:14. | |
right of all citizens to enter the UK | :03:15. | :03:17. | |
And they predict a new EU-UK trade deal outside the single market | :03:18. | :03:25. | |
They also say new laws could be introduced to | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
cut VAT on energy bills and divert more funds to the NHS. | :03:30. | :03:39. | |
so that the mysticism from the leave side but what are Remain seeing in | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
the crystal ball? Chancellor George Osborne warns this | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
morning his first priority after a Leave vote will be | :03:47. | :03:48. | |
a new "Brexit budget". He's been joined by former | :03:49. | :03:51. | |
Labour Chancellor Alistair Darling to say it would mean tax | :03:52. | :03:53. | |
rises and spending cuts, to plug the ?30 billion black hole | :03:54. | :03:56. | |
in the public finances that he says The Chancellors foresee there'd | :03:57. | :03:59. | |
need to be a 2p rise And even protected budgets | :04:00. | :04:10. | |
like the NHS, schools and defence But those warnings haven't gone down | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
well with a growing number of Conservative MPs, | :04:15. | :04:23. | |
who've signed a letter this morning saying | :04:24. | :04:25. | |
they find it "incredible" the Chancellor is threatening | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
to renege on his manifesto promises, and promising to vote | :04:29. | :04:30. | |
down any such budget. This is what George Osborne had | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
to say in the last 20 minutes. We're sharing a platform and arguing | :04:35. | :04:48. | |
the same case for the first time. It is quite simple. We have both been | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
Chancellor as the economy has faced very difficult times. We know what | :04:54. | :05:00. | |
happens when you lose control of the economy. We've both had to deal with | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
the consequences of the public finances collapsing and the | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
difficult decisions that the country then has to take. And today we're | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
here together because we agree on this - a vote to be the EU would do | :05:15. | :05:21. | |
it to us all over again. That is the Chancellor George Osborne. Lets | :05:22. | :05:23. | |
Victor one of the MPs who has not been overly impressed by Mr | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
Osborne's warning. He is Jacob Rees-Mogg and he is in the central | :05:28. | :05:30. | |
lobby of the House of commons. What is wrong with having an emergency | :05:31. | :05:36. | |
budget? If there is a vote to leave, there will be big decisions to take. | :05:37. | :05:38. | |
The Chancellor basically means to tick down and, regrettably, stop | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
talking nonsense. If we vote to leave on Thursday week, there is a | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
minimum two-year period in which we are still a member of the European | :05:47. | :05:53. | |
Union. Article 50 takes time to be exercised so what he is doing in | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
this hysterical suggestion of an emergency budget is ignoring the | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
treaty provisions for an orderly departure of a member state. He | :06:03. | :06:05. | |
really ought to read the treaty is more carefully and particularly an | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
excellent report by the House of Lords European committee, which sets | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
out how article 50 would work and underpins that the purpose of | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
article 50 is to avoid an economic dislocation, both for the leaving | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
state and, even more importantly from their point of view, from the | :06:21. | :06:23. | |
point of view of other member states of the EU. But many on your site, | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
for Leave, have stated that there could be a short-term shock. There | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
could be instability and George Osborne is only saying that the | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
Government would respond in the end of the Bob vote, which he and other | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
economic institutions have predicted would lead to some sort of economic | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
meltdown. The economic meltdown idea is a far-fetched one but what most | :06:44. | :06:45. | |
of the commentators have said is that there may be some instability | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
in currency markets but there is always instability in currency | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
markets. This is par for the course in the financial system. No body | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
would know the economic effects within a week or two of a vote to | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
leave so an emergency budget is really indicating a degree of panic. | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
It is a very silly thing to say, quite honestly, and for the | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
Chancellor to jettison Conservative principles in favour of his euro for | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
the seems to me desperate Leon Weiss. There was an emergency budget | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
in 2010 to deal with the financial crisis so it isn't as if you have | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
had emergency budgets before. In 2010 there was a new government that | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
felt the different economic policy should be followed. That was the | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
reason for the budget, same reason as a 1979, and in 1997, Gordon Brown | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
had a budget when he came into office. When the governments change, | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
the resort was a budget because economic policy changes. That's not | :07:42. | :07:44. | |
an emergency, that's a matter of routine. So in terms of you and | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
others signing to say that you would vote down that sort of budget, you | :07:50. | :07:52. | |
are going to vote against your own government on something as critical | :07:53. | :07:55. | |
as a budget? It is not my government, it is Her Majesty's but | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
I am going to stick to the manifesto that I stood on which said that we | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
would not raise tax. The economy is not going to react in the way he is | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
saying. The forecasts are based on assumptions that no rational person | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
would follow and the Treasury assumptions are ones that he's given | :08:15. | :08:20. | |
away to an independent body, until he decided he needed to arrange the | :08:21. | :08:23. | |
figures to suit his political argument. But you are prepared to | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
basically vote down the budget are Conservative Government? I would | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
vote against a budget that broke the Conservative Party's manifesto and a | :08:33. | :08:39. | |
budget introduced out of spite to punish the British voters for not | :08:40. | :08:41. | |
obeying the wisdom of George Osborne. It is the height of | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
arrogance the week before a vote to say, if you don't do as I say and | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
going to punish you. I think it is very damaging to George Osborne's | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
credible as he is Chancellor. Do you think George Osborne should remain | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
as Chancellor if the UK votes to leave the EU? It won't be a matter | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
for me to dock but what do you think? Let's wait until we have the | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
voted dock you been quite unspoken. He has done a lot of damage to his | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
credible as it and will have a hard chance to repair it. | :09:11. | :09:17. | |
Ed Vaizey, this is Mr Osborne's punishment budget if we vote to | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
leave, and it is crashed and burned on take off. I donated the | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
punishment budget. I think George Osborne is making a very important | :09:25. | :09:27. | |
point, which is a point we have to get across, that we know there will | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
be an economic shock if we weave the EU. Every credible analysis of the | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
economy says there will be a significant impact on our economy. | :09:37. | :09:43. | |
This is very serious stuff. How big would the Treasury save impact would | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
be? George's budget proposal sets out the kind of changes you would | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
have to see to fill that hole. How big does the Treasury say the impact | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
would be in its short-term report? What was it central forecast? What | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
the Institute of fiscal... I'm asking you about the Treasury | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
because that is your Government's department. I am asking you about | :10:05. | :10:07. | |
apples, you answer about oranges. What was the central forecast for | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
recession in the Treasury's short-term report? What I'm telling | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
you is that this budget George Osborne is setting up with Alistair | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
Darling is based on the Institute for Fiscal Studies estimate, which | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
was a ?20 billion to ?40 billion impact on the public finances and | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
George is quite right to take the mid-range, 30 billion to dock there | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
is to be a mid-range impact on the public finances. It would mean | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
increased taxes and it would mean having to cut spending. The Treasury | :10:36. | :10:44. | |
said it would go down by 0.4% over a year. Nobody wanted to go down, | :10:45. | :10:48. | |
obviously, but why does a shallow recession, the shallowest since | :10:49. | :10:54. | |
1956, of zero .4%, result in this massive measurement and tax rises | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
and spending cuts amounting to ?30 billion? Explain that. You are using | :10:59. | :11:04. | |
this word punishment. What George Osborne and Alistair Darling do, | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
united together, the first time they have spoken together as one on a | :11:08. | :11:10. | |
public platform, is to say there will be an impact on the public | :11:11. | :11:13. | |
finances and when the Chancellor sees the impact on the public | :11:14. | :11:16. | |
finances, he or she has to act and they have to make tough decisions | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
and those tough decisions will include raising taxes or cutting | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
spending. I was trying to work out why this response would be required, | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
given how shallow the Treasury said the recession would be. In terms of | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
the impact, you've seen Rolls-Royce today talking about the potential | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
impact on one of our most successful Manufacturing completes. We've seen | :11:38. | :11:40. | |
BT yesterday telling its 80,000 boys the kind of impact it would have. | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
The real point is, you can bring up different surveys and say, what | :11:46. | :11:48. | |
about this, what about that? The two key points are, everybody knows | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
there will be an economic shock and George Osborne is saying, the second | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
key point, is that means there will have to be an emergency budget, we | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
will have to address levels of spending levels of taxes to get the | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
budget by contract. How would you get that emergency budget through? | :12:05. | :12:07. | |
There isn't a majority in the Commons for it. I haven't seen the | :12:08. | :12:14. | |
names on the letter. 57 Conservative MPs described Mr Osborne's position | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
as untenable. There is no majority in parliament for this budget, | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
therefore the budget wouldn't get through. What George Osborne is | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
saying is this is the kind of budget that you would have to expect if we | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
beat. I think it is a perfectly valid thing for a Chancellor, | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
somebody who has been Chancellor for six years. Unemployment fell again | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
today. A lot of what George Osborne has done... Address my point. You | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
only have a majority of under 16, at times it is under 12. 87 Tory MPs | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
and rising regard this threat as untenable. They will not vote for | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
it. -- 57. Labour is not going to vote for it, I assume, we will find | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
out from John Mann. You will not get this budget through. It is an empty | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
threat. It is not an empty threat. How would you get it through | :13:07. | :13:12. | |
Parliament? After a Leave vote, if there is, God forbid, a Leave vote, | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
Parliament would have to reconvene, the Chancellor will have to set out | :13:17. | :13:19. | |
what he thinks the risks are going to be. He would be Chancellor, will | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
he? There will have to be a budget proposed by the Chancellor. At that | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
point, MPs will have to very much decide what their duty is. Is their | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
duty to help get the economy back contract, given the economic | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
shock... Could you explain the logic... Or is it simple to say, we | :13:36. | :13:42. | |
are going to be a roadblock? Could you explain the economic logic, give | :13:43. | :13:45. | |
me any major economist in the world who would then this was a response, | :13:46. | :13:48. | |
that if we are heading to recession as a result of leaving, which is the | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
Chancellor's scenario, we would go into recession, what is the economic | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
logic is a recession stares us in the face at we raise tax and cut | :13:57. | :14:04. | |
spending? As I said earlier, the Chancellor is someone who has Stuart | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
did the public finances for the last six years. We see one of those | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
results today with 20,000 fall in an employment. We've seen long-term | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
unemployment fall significantly and that's because he did get the public | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
finances... But what is the economic logic of raising taxes and cutting | :14:21. | :14:22. | |
spending as we are heading into recession? He balanced the budget | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
over the last six years, or at least significantly... Excuse me, he's | :14:28. | :14:34. | |
balanced the budget? Significantly reduced our deficits because he had | :14:35. | :14:37. | |
to raise some taxes and he had to cut... He slowed down the spending. | :14:38. | :14:43. | |
Excuse me, Ed Vaizey. You may be rewriting the future, we won't know | :14:44. | :14:46. | |
until we reach there, but you can't be allowed to rewrite the past. He | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
actually slowed down the spending cuts because we were in such a | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
situation and instead of balancing the budget by 2015, which was his | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
promise, he gave us an ?80 billion deficit. So I ask again, can you | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
name any credible economist, because Remain is very keen to quote | :15:04. | :15:07. | |
mainstream economists, who would think that slashing spending and | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
increasing tax would be a credible response to a recession? No doubt | :15:13. | :15:15. | |
economists might pile in after this, as they piled on on this whole issue | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
of whether we should leave the EU. And when I was last on this | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
programme, you asked Kate Hoey to name any credible economist who | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
could say that leaving the EU would be good for our economy. So you are | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
bringing out Kate Hoey. I am asking you, can you name... I am asking | :15:34. | :15:40. | |
you, can you name an economist that thinks this would be a... Don't try | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
and filibuster. You did it earlier and it didn't go down too well. Just | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
answer this question. Name and economist that thinks that Osborne's | :15:51. | :15:53. | |
punishment budget would be the correct response. | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
You know that when George took decisions about cutting spending and | :15:58. | :16:05. | |
raising taxes, organisations like the IMF told him he was playing with | :16:06. | :16:12. | |
fire. They came round and said what George Osborne did was correct. Let | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
me see if I can get an answer to this question dash in a manifesto, | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
you promised a referendum. He also promised more money for the NHS, you | :16:22. | :16:28. | |
also promised not to raise VAT or income tax or national insurer and | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
is. But you never anywhere said in the manifesto, but we can't keep any | :16:33. | :16:38. | |
of these promises if you vote to leave in the referendum. So it was a | :16:39. | :16:45. | |
false prospectus, wasn't it? The prospectus was to hold the | :16:46. | :16:48. | |
referendum, which was a manifesto promise. I have said that. In the | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
current state of our ability to manage the economy with the state it | :16:54. | :16:59. | |
is in now with us as a member of the European Union and trading freely | :17:00. | :17:03. | |
with the market of 500 million, we can do the things we have done. You | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
never told us that, there is nowhere in the manifesto that all these | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
major promises are predicated on as a voting, in your view, the right | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
way on the referendum. There are issues in the manifesto you cannot | :17:20. | :17:22. | |
foresee. David Cameron had to carry out his successful negotiation. It | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
was in the manifesto. You promised a referendum. He has secured our | :17:29. | :17:36. | |
vision for Britain in the European Union. Would anybody in the Remain | :17:37. | :17:47. | |
vote for a budget like this post the referendum? It is not a proposed | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
budget, it is a press stunned by George Osborne and rather silly one. | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
John McDonnell, the Shadow Chancellor says, Labour would not | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
vote, Labour would be against it, I would assume. I think we can take it | :18:01. | :18:07. | |
for granted, the SNP would vote against it. Almost 60 Tory MPs are | :18:08. | :18:13. | |
rising, would vote against it. It is a nonsense, Ed Vaizey. Sorry, I | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
thought you are still asking John. How would you get it through? The | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
Chancellor would come to the Commons after a vote to Leave, God forbid, | :18:25. | :18:33. | |
people would see the impact on the economy and the Commons would have | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
to take a view on whether it is important to get the budget back on | :18:39. | :18:40. | |
track and the national finances back on track given the new and dangerous | :18:41. | :18:46. | |
situation. John, why was Alistair Darling associating himself with | :18:47. | :18:51. | |
this this morning? Desperation, last attempt to shore up the vote. I am | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
hearing, even in Scotland, the vote in many constituencies may be going | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
for Leave, even in Scotland. That would be a surprise. That is what I | :19:03. | :19:09. | |
am hearing. Alistair Darling was not representing the Labour Party this | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
morning, to your understanding? Clearly not, if it was someone | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
representing the Labour Party, it would have been John McDonnell. So | :19:19. | :19:21. | |
he was representing Alistair Darling? Yes, and his judgment on | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
this is wrong. It is desperate politics trying to build up this | :19:27. | :19:33. | |
project fear even more. It is not working, it is nonsense. It is | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
almost a classic illustration of what nonsense it is. The Chancellor | :19:37. | :19:42. | |
this morning on BBC, implied it was a consensus, and he used Alistair | :19:43. | :19:50. | |
Darling's position that Labour and Conservative said the same thing. I | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
am asking you, I know you don't want me to, but that is why I am | :19:57. | :20:03. | |
continuing. I feel it is a bit unbalanced. You are the one that the | :20:04. | :20:10. | |
questions to answer. He said we have a Labour Chancellor, Conservative | :20:11. | :20:12. | |
Chancellor and it was a broad view of what we had to do. Now we hear | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
from the Shadow Chancellor, we wouldn't vote for this. It has | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
crashed and burned on take-off. He was standing with the Labour | :20:23. | :20:26. | |
Chancellor in the last Labour government, when Labour used to win | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
elections, who had to handle an economy in crisis following the | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
banking crash. Alistair Darling is a credible figure who knows what it is | :20:36. | :20:38. | |
like when you are facing an economic shock. He says, this is exactly... | :20:39. | :20:48. | |
This is exactly what I would expect. I don't know what John McDonnell's | :20:49. | :20:55. | |
position is. We have just been told. There is this peculiar mindset from | :20:56. | :22:20. | |
Jeremy Corbyn where he won't share a platform | :22:21. | :22:31. | |
There will be more money spent on the NHS if we leave. There was a | :22:32. | :22:36. | |
consensus perhaps for the first time. Would be ?100 million over | :22:37. | :22:43. | |
?350 million that vote the grating as the amount of money that is spent | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
and sent to Brussels every week? It all depends who is in power and who | :22:49. | :22:54. | |
makes the decision. What would you do? I would be looking to Spencer | :22:55. | :23:00. | |
Gifford and sufficient money, which would be under 100 million, on | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
putting money back into the NHS, getting into the hospital deficits, | :23:05. | :23:07. | |
recruiting nurses, getting nurses bursaries, and adding moneyback | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
international health service, would be my priority and if that money | :23:14. | :23:16. | |
becomes available, that's what I would do. Or you think this is an | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
alternative manifesto and they shouldn't be putting this board? | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
Let's look at Labour on immigration because you have put a lot about | :23:26. | :23:28. | |
immigration. It does look as if Labour is panicking as much as the | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
Conservatives. We've had Tom Watson, the devil do bid, saying there would | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
be moves, proposals, to curb the free movement of people. -- Tom | :23:37. | :23:44. | |
Watson the Deputy Leader. Poor I called for it in the last | :23:45. | :23:48. | |
Parliament. The problem is, you can't do it because the EU refuses. | :23:49. | :23:57. | |
On whose authority is he saying it? Go but not the Labour Party because | :23:58. | :24:00. | |
it is not what Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonell think. You would have | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
to as Tom Watson. I'm not privy to their discussions but I agree with | :24:06. | :24:08. | |
the principle of what Tom Watson and others have said. However, the | :24:09. | :24:14. | |
problem with that is that the EU rules do not and I were to happen, | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
so the issue for all of us is going to be, whatever the vote, what do we | :24:19. | :24:24. | |
do afterwards on the Friday? And if it is the bob, we have that | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
opportunity. Let's go straight over to the Commons to speak to the | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Seema Malhotra. Let me | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
come to you straightaway. You have heard the Chancellor with what has | :24:41. | :24:46. | |
been called a punishment budget. If we vote to leave and the Chancellor | :24:47. | :24:49. | |
came forward with a budget like that, would Labour vote for it or | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
not? Hello, Andrew. We have been very clear that we won't be | :24:55. | :24:56. | |
supporting a budget that sees cuts to the NHS, cuts to working people's | :24:57. | :25:03. | |
support. We don't believe that a Tory Brexit and then an emergency | :25:04. | :25:09. | |
budget is going to give people the reassurance that there is going to | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
be a brighter future at all with Brexit. What we are saying, and we | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
are calling on people today, with our opposition day, to say that | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
there is a brighter future if we stay in the EU. That is absolutely | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
where we need to be. I understand that that is your position. Can I | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
just clarify, because Alistair Darling, former Labour Chancellor, | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
appeared with George Osborne as the outline of this post Brexit budget | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
was announced. Can I take it that Mr Darling was not represented the | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
Labour Party by being with Mr Osborne on that? Lube the context of | :25:48. | :25:53. | |
this is very clear. This is the same warning that the IFF and others | :25:54. | :25:56. | |
brought in, that there would be a hole in our budget... I asked you | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
about Mr Darling. It would be nice to get announced that it was he | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
speaking just for himself or did he in any way represent the Labour | :26:06. | :26:08. | |
Party? He's talking in terms of how we would need to address, and the | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
country would be to address, a hole in public funding finances. But what | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
we've been saying is that we would not be voting for more cuts, so what | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
we need to do, and the message that we want to give, is that if you want | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
security and you want prosperity and you don't want to do self-inflicted | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
damage to our economy... You said that. I've been trying to get an | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
answer to my question. I'm not getting answers from Ed Vaizey and | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
I'm not getting answers from you. So please give some respect our | :26:41. | :26:43. | |
audience who are voting next Thursday and only ask you one more | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
time, was Alistair Darling just being for himself by being alongside | :26:48. | :26:50. | |
Osborne or did he represent the Labour Party? We have said very | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
clearly, Andrew, and I'll just say this again... No, don't say it | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
again, just answer the question. It is important that you answer the | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
question. The context is a new. All right, well, you're not going to | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
answer the question. I'm sorry, Seema Malhotra. I've had enough. You | :27:10. | :27:13. | |
are not answering the question, so let's not waste our time with any | :27:14. | :27:17. | |
more of this. Is it going to go on like this? When is the referendum? | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
Next Thursday. Couldn't come soon enough! | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
Now, today is our last PMQs programme | :27:26. | :27:26. | |
and you might be wondering, what could have changed when we come | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
Clearly not politicians answering the question. | :27:31. | :27:33. | |
Will it still be David Cameron vs Jeremy Corbyn? | :27:34. | :27:35. | |
Will the BBC still be able to afford the huge budget for JoCo's graphics? | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
Will Ed Vaizey be here in the studio...again? | :27:41. | :27:44. | |
I keep coming back for this punishment! It is like a Russian | :27:45. | :27:55. | |
doll. If you just answer the questions, I wouldn't need to be | :27:56. | :27:56. | |
rude. Well, you can be sure there's one | :27:57. | :27:57. | |
thing that will stay the same regardless of whether we vote | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
to leave or remain - And that's because we've got a job | :28:04. | :28:09. | |
lot of them stacked in boxes So if you want to be | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
in with the chance of winning this historic mug, which is actually just | :28:15. | :28:24. | |
the same as all the others, all you have to do is tell us | :28:25. | :28:27. | |
when this happened. For South Africans to trade together | :28:28. | :28:35. | |
to celebrate the birth of democracy. We've been praying long | :28:36. | :28:47. | |
enough for it, haven't we? To be in with a chance of winning | :28:48. | :28:53. | |
a Daily Politics mug, send your answer to our special quiz | :28:54. | :29:59. | |
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It's coming up to midday. It is a beautiful summer's des. There won't | :30:18. | :30:24. | |
be a Primus is questions next week because of a referendum. Laura | :30:25. | :30:27. | |
Coombs Boadicea. I would suggest that a normal PMQs, the Labour | :30:28. | :30:30. | |
leader would stand up and say, if the Chancellor things he can do this | :30:31. | :30:33. | |
kind of budget rose Brexit, he's got another thing coming, but can Mr | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
Corbyn do that, since he is nominally on the Remain site? I'm | :30:38. | :30:42. | |
not sure. I think there is something else there because we know that | :30:43. | :30:44. | |
Jeremy Corbyn often want to do his own subjects! They're already under | :30:45. | :30:46. | |
way. We will come back to you. I know the whole house will join | :30:47. | :31:01. | |
with me incentive condolences to the family and friends of those killed | :31:02. | :31:06. | |
in the in Orlando on Sunday. This attack, along with the callous | :31:07. | :31:09. | |
murder of a French policeman on Monday, is a stark remind of the | :31:10. | :31:13. | |
challenge we face to defeat the poisonous ideology of Daesh both | :31:14. | :31:17. | |
online and on our streets. I believe that together with our friends, our | :31:18. | :31:20. | |
allies and our common values, we will prevail. This morning I had | :31:21. | :31:26. | |
meetings with ministerial colleagues and added just two duties in this | :31:27. | :31:29. | |
House, I shall have further such meetings later today. Thank you, Mr | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
Speaker. I share the Prime Minister's sentiments in the Sabet | :31:34. | :31:37. | |
is expressed to the victims, families and friends of those in | :31:38. | :31:42. | |
Orlando. The Australian parent company of a United Kingdom company | :31:43. | :31:49. | |
who see Europe as a major market expansion have put on hold their | :31:50. | :31:51. | |
plans to build a factory in the enterprise zone on the South | :31:52. | :31:55. | |
Lowestoft industrial estate. Lowestoft has enormous potential as | :31:56. | :31:58. | |
a centre for serving the European maritime market but does the Prime | :31:59. | :32:04. | |
Minister share my concern that this opportunity would unnecessarily be | :32:05. | :32:08. | |
placed at risk if the UK beats the EU? -- leaves. I share his concern. | :32:09. | :32:17. | |
I well remember visiting his constituency and seeing what a | :32:18. | :32:18. | |
thriving business location Lowestoft is. He is right that many companies | :32:19. | :32:23. | |
come to Britain and invest in Britain for many reasons but one of | :32:24. | :32:27. | |
the most important is access to the single market of 500 million | :32:28. | :32:31. | |
customers. Next week we have the opportunity to put our place in that | :32:32. | :32:34. | |
single market beyond doubt and I hope that we wake up on June 24 | :32:35. | :32:38. | |
knowing that businesses are going to invest more in our country, create | :32:39. | :32:42. | |
more jobs in our country, see more growth in our country, because that | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
will help the families of our country and the unemployment figures | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
today, another welcome fall in unemployment, we could see continued | :32:51. | :32:52. | |
progress. Lets see our country moving forward. I concur and join | :32:53. | :32:59. | |
with the Prime Minister in his remarks about the terrible deaths in | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
Orlando. On Monday I joined a vigil of thousands of LGBT people in Soho | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
in London to mourn the deaths of the 49 and also I want to say, we say | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
thank you to all those all over this country who attended vigils on | :33:14. | :33:16. | |
Monday night to show their concern and their horror about it. Quite | :33:17. | :33:20. | |
simply, we defeat such atrocities through our love and our solidarity | :33:21. | :33:24. | |
and we need to send that message out. Three years ago, there was a | :33:25. | :33:29. | |
cross-party agreement for the lamentation of section 40 of the | :33:30. | :33:34. | |
Crime and Courts Bill and to proceed with Leveson to once prosecutors | :33:35. | :33:38. | |
were concluded. The Prime Minister will be aware that today there is a | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
lobby of Parliament by the victims of phone hacking. The Prime Minister | :33:43. | :33:45. | |
said a few years ago that we all did too much cosying up to Rupert | :33:46. | :33:50. | |
Murdoch. Some of his Tory Brexit colleagues are certainly cosying up | :33:51. | :33:54. | |
to Rupert Murdoch at the moment but will the Prime Minister give a | :33:55. | :33:57. | |
commitment today that he will meet the victims of press intrusion and | :33:58. | :34:01. | |
assure them that he will keep his promise on this? Let me again echo | :34:02. | :34:06. | |
what he said about the Orlando bombings. In terms of the Leveson | :34:07. | :34:13. | |
issue, we said that we'd make a decision about a second stage of | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
this inquiry once the criminal investigations and prosecutions were | :34:18. | :34:20. | |
out of the weighted top they are still continuing and so that is the | :34:21. | :34:26. | |
situation. -- out of the way. I have met with victims of press intrusion | :34:27. | :34:30. | |
and I'm happy to do so again. I think people can accuse me of many | :34:31. | :34:33. | |
things but cosying up to Rupert Murdoch is not one of them. My | :34:34. | :34:38. | |
question was, will he meet the victims of phone hacking? I hope you | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
will because they deserve it anti-bra missed that he would meet | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
them. A major thunder of the Leave campaign said, and I quote, "If it | :34:48. | :34:52. | |
were up to me, I'd privatise the National Health Service". The | :34:53. | :34:58. | |
honourable member for Uxbridge said, "If people have to pay for NHS | :34:59. | :35:02. | |
services they will value them all". Both he and the honourable member | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
for Surrey Heath are members of a government that has put the NHS into | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
record deficit. These people are now masquerading as the saviours of the | :35:13. | :35:20. | |
NHS. Wolves in sheep's clothing. Did the honourable member for Totnes get | :35:21. | :35:24. | |
it right when she rejected the duplicity of this argument in the | :35:25. | :35:27. | |
Leave campaign and decided to join the Remain campaign? I was delighted | :35:28. | :35:35. | |
with what my right honourable... My honourable friend, the Member for | :35:36. | :35:38. | |
Totnes, said about changing her mind, which is a brave thing for | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
politicians to do, and saying that she thought that the NHS would be | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
safer if we remain inside a reformed EU. I believe that very profoundly, | :35:47. | :35:52. | |
because the key to a strong NHS is a strong economy and I think there | :35:53. | :35:55. | |
can't be any doubt that nine out of ten economists, the governor of the | :35:56. | :36:00. | |
Bank of England, the IMF, the OECD, all of these other organisations, | :36:01. | :36:03. | |
saying our economy will be stronger and it is a strong economy that | :36:04. | :36:09. | |
delivers a strong NHS. Last week, the Prime Minister gave a welcome | :36:10. | :36:13. | |
commitment to the closing of the loophole in the posting of workers | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
directive. We will hold him to that but we are concerned about the | :36:19. | :36:22. | |
exploitation of migrant workers and the undercutting of wages in this | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
country as a result of that. On that issue, will the Prime Minister today | :36:28. | :36:32. | |
commit to the outlawing of the practice of agencies that only | :36:33. | :36:35. | |
advertise abroad for jobs that are in reality jobs in this country? | :36:36. | :36:41. | |
First of all, he and I absolutely agree about the evils of Modern | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
Slavery Bill that is why this government passed the Modern Slavery | :36:46. | :36:47. | |
Bill with all-party support. We've doubled the fines that can be put on | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
companies for exploiting labour in this way and we have strengthened | :36:52. | :36:54. | |
the gang masters licensing authority and they have commenced and carried | :36:55. | :36:59. | |
out a number of prosecutions, including in the eastern and, where | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
I was yesterday, and so we continue to take action on every level to | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
make sure people are paid their wages they should be paid and that | :37:08. | :37:10. | |
protections are there on the minimum wage and now on a national living | :37:11. | :37:16. | |
wage. -- including in the East of England. I think all of those are | :37:17. | :37:20. | |
vital and we will continue with those measures. I think people are | :37:21. | :37:23. | |
entitled to a fair day's pay for a fair day's what. My question was | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
about outlawing the practice of advertising by agencies only in | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
other countries. Tens of thousands of EU and other people who have | :37:32. | :37:35. | |
migrated to Britain work in our public services and do a fantastic | :37:36. | :37:39. | |
job. Many people in Britain are also concerned about immigration and | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
their local communities. Surely what communities need is practical | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
solutions like the migrant impact fund set up by Gordon Brown when he | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
was Prime Minister to deal with the extra pressure on housing, schools | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
and hospitals. Will the Prime Minister now | :37:56. | :37:56. | |
concede that it was a mistake to abolish that fund and will he work | :37:57. | :38:03. | |
with us to reinstate it as a matter of urgency, to give support to those | :38:04. | :38:08. | |
communities that are facing problems on school places and doctors' | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
surgeries? He is absolutely right. In answer to the question about | :38:13. | :38:18. | |
employment agencies that only advertise for overseas workers, we | :38:19. | :38:22. | |
are looking at Battersea if we can ban that practice because we don't | :38:23. | :38:26. | |
believe that is right. Of course, the answer to so many of these | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
questions is actually to make sure we are training, educating and | :38:31. | :38:36. | |
employing British people and getting member qualifications they need to | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
take on the jobs that are economy is creating an today's unemployment | :38:40. | :38:43. | |
figures are another reminder that. In terms of funds to help | :38:44. | :38:46. | |
communities impacted by migration, we have a pledge in our manifesto, | :38:47. | :38:50. | |
which we are looking forward to bringing forward, with a controlled | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
migration fun to make sure we put money into communities where there | :38:55. | :38:58. | |
are pressures because, of course, there are some pressures and we do | :38:59. | :39:01. | |
need to address them and I'm happy that we will be able to work on a | :39:02. | :39:04. | |
cross-party basis to do that it cos I've said many times, there are good | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
ways of controlling migration and one of them is the rules we are | :39:09. | :39:11. | |
bringing in so people don't get instant access to our welfare | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
system, but there are bad ways of controlling immigration. Leaving the | :39:16. | :39:18. | |
single market and wrecking our economy is certainly one of them. | :39:19. | :39:24. | |
Today, a flotilla of boats is due to come along the Thames complaining | :39:25. | :39:31. | |
fishing quotas are not going to the UK domestic fleet. My have not seen | :39:32. | :39:36. | |
them yet, but presumably they are on their way. The Prime Minister will | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
be aware that reforms made three years ago put the power back into | :39:41. | :39:46. | |
the hands of member states and it is the UK Government that has given | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
nearly two thirds of the English and Welsh fishing quotas to just three | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
companies, excluding small fishing communities along the coasts. Can | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
the Prime Minister stop blaming Brussels on this and tell our | :40:00. | :40:05. | |
fishing communities what action he will take to allow them to continue | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
their work and go further out in collect Kingfish? First of all, can | :40:10. | :40:17. | |
I thank him for the reforms we carried through in the last | :40:18. | :40:20. | |
Parliament and the honourable member was crucial in delivering those | :40:21. | :40:26. | |
changes. What we have seen in the last five years is an increase in | :40:27. | :40:30. | |
the value of the UK fishing industry of something like 20%. We export | :40:31. | :40:37. | |
every year about one billion pounds worth of fish to the EU and there is | :40:38. | :40:40. | |
no country in the world that has a trade agreement with the EU that | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
doesn't involve tariffs, taxes on the sale of its fish. There is no | :40:45. | :40:50. | |
way we would get a better deal on the outside than the deal we get on | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
the outside. So working with fishing communities, working with fishermen | :40:56. | :40:57. | |
and keeping the market open and make sure we manage our fish stocks | :40:58. | :41:02. | |
locally and appropriately is part of our plan. His government still | :41:03. | :41:08. | |
handed quotas over to three very large companies at the expense of | :41:09. | :41:13. | |
small communities around Britain, I hope he reflects on that. Mr | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
Speaker, with eight days to go before the referendum, the Labour | :41:19. | :41:22. | |
position is, we will be voting to remain because it is the best way to | :41:23. | :41:28. | |
protect families, protect jobs and protect public services. We would | :41:29. | :41:33. | |
oppose any posed Brexit austerity budget, just as we have opposed any | :41:34. | :41:39. | |
austerity budget put forward by this government. Will the Prime Minister | :41:40. | :41:43. | |
take this opportunity to condemn the opportunism of 57 of his colleagues, | :41:44. | :41:49. | |
who are pro-Leave, these are members who backed the bedroom tax, backed | :41:50. | :41:55. | |
cutting disability benefits and cutting care for the elderly, who | :41:56. | :41:59. | |
suddenly have now had a conversion to the anti-austerity movement. Does | :42:00. | :42:05. | |
he have any message for them, does he have any message for them at all? | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
What I would say to the right honourable gentleman, there are very | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
few times when he and I are on the same side of an argument. This must | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
say to people watching at home, when you have the leader of the Labour | :42:21. | :42:25. | |
Party and almost all of the Labour Party, Conservative Government, the | :42:26. | :42:29. | |
Liberal Democrats, the Greens, the Ulster Unionists and the Scottish | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
National Party old saying, we have huge disagreements, but on this | :42:34. | :42:38. | |
vital issue, the best option for Britain is to vote to remain in a | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
reformed European union, really says something. This is a huge choice for | :42:43. | :42:46. | |
our country, choices have consequences. If we wake up on June | :42:47. | :42:53. | |
the 24th and we have remained in, the economy can move forward. If we | :42:54. | :43:00. | |
vote out, experts warn as we have a small economy, lesser wages and less | :43:01. | :43:03. | |
tax receipts. That is why we would have to do have measures to address | :43:04. | :43:08. | |
a huge hole in our public finances. Nobody wants to have an emergency | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
budget, nobody wants to have cuts in public services. Nobody wants to | :43:14. | :43:17. | |
have tax increases. But there is only one thing worse than not | :43:18. | :43:22. | |
addressing a crisis in your public finances through a budget, and that | :43:23. | :43:28. | |
is ignoring it. If you ignore a crisis, you see your economy go into | :43:29. | :43:33. | |
a tailspin, confidence is reduced in the country. We can avoid all of | :43:34. | :43:41. | |
this I voting Remain next week. Having recently undertaken a real | :43:42. | :43:49. | |
I'll tour of my constituency, and Sam told -- sampled some of the | :43:50. | :44:04. | |
nicest ales in the north, can I ask the Prime Minister to join me in | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
nodding to the virtues and massive benefits to the economies from small | :44:10. | :44:13. | |
and medium-size breweries from up and the country? Happy to agree with | :44:14. | :44:18. | |
my honourable friend, having spent last weekend in Kent and yesterday | :44:19. | :44:24. | |
in Bury St Edmunds, I agree a large quantity of real ale is one of the | :44:25. | :44:29. | |
best ways to get through this gruelling referendum campaign. The | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
British beer industry is in good health because of the duty cuts from | :44:34. | :44:36. | |
the Chancellor, because of the microbe Ruhe tax regime. We have a | :44:37. | :44:44. | |
lot of craft beer coming through and the brewers I am talking to and | :44:45. | :44:48. | |
going to see, they want the single market open and they want to remain | :44:49. | :44:57. | |
in. On Orlando and the deaths in France, we aren't these benches join | :44:58. | :45:02. | |
with the condolences expressed by the Prime Minister and the Leader of | :45:03. | :45:06. | |
the Opposition. We are now only a week away from the biggest question | :45:07. | :45:11. | |
the UK has faced in a long time, and that is the continuing membership of | :45:12. | :45:16. | |
the European Union. Exports, goods and services from the Scottish | :45:17. | :45:20. | |
economy are massive important. Hundreds and thousands of jobs | :45:21. | :45:25. | |
depend on them. Meanwhile, public services, including the NHS are | :45:26. | :45:28. | |
supported by many hard-working people buy elsewhere in the European | :45:29. | :45:34. | |
Union. Does the Prime Minister agree, if we want to protect jobs, | :45:35. | :45:38. | |
public services, we must vote to remain in the European Union gesture | :45:39. | :45:46. | |
Mark I do believe the most important arguments is about the future of our | :45:47. | :45:51. | |
economy. It seems obvious you can listen to the experts or make a | :45:52. | :45:55. | |
common-sense argument. Today we have access to a market of 500 million | :45:56. | :46:00. | |
people. For an economy like Scotland, such a big exporting | :46:01. | :46:03. | |
economy, there is no way we would get a better deal with the single | :46:04. | :46:08. | |
market on the outside than we get on the inside. If we left we would seek | :46:09. | :46:12. | |
our economy suffer, jobs suffer, livelihood suffer. It is plain | :46:13. | :46:17. | |
common sense. I agree with him, for jobs and livelihoods, we should | :46:18. | :46:22. | |
remain in. There is a consequence the public finances, if our economy | :46:23. | :46:25. | |
is doing less well, public finances would be doing less well and that | :46:26. | :46:28. | |
would have consequences for Scotland. Make a raise that with the | :46:29. | :46:36. | |
Prime Minister? We have learned from a Conservative Chancellor of the | :46:37. | :46:38. | |
Exchequer and a former Labour Chancellor of the Exchequer, there | :46:39. | :46:44. | |
would be likely to be 30 billion pounds in cuts to public services or | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
tax rises, where there to be a Brexit vote. What impact would that | :46:50. | :46:55. | |
have on public services in Scotland? Please, can we learn now before we | :46:56. | :47:01. | |
vote? What impact would it have on the budget in Scotland that pays for | :47:02. | :47:07. | |
the NHS in Scotland, schools in Scotland, local government and key | :47:08. | :47:10. | |
public services. Is it not another reason why we must vote to remain in | :47:11. | :47:18. | |
the European Union? What I would say to the right honourable gentleman, | :47:19. | :47:21. | |
these figures are not based on what the Chancellor of the Exchequer is | :47:22. | :47:26. | |
saying, they are based on what the Institute for Fiscal Studies is | :47:27. | :47:32. | |
saying. They are talking about at 20 to 40 billion hole in our public | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
finances if regs it went ahead. These are organisations quoted in | :47:37. | :47:43. | |
this House against the government because they are respected for their | :47:44. | :47:47. | |
independence. Decisions to cut public spending in the UK budget do | :47:48. | :47:54. | |
have an impact on Scotland. And to anyone who says, these warnings of | :47:55. | :47:57. | |
course, they could be wrong, they could be inaccurate, this is an | :47:58. | :48:02. | |
uncomfortable point to make to the right honourable gentleman, of | :48:03. | :48:06. | |
course there were warnings about the oil price before the Scottish | :48:07. | :48:09. | |
referendum. It turned out to be worse than the experts warned. Thank | :48:10. | :48:19. | |
you Mr Speaker. Since the terrorist attacks in Paris and Brussels, many | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
of my constituents are worried that remaining in the EU increases the | :48:24. | :48:29. | |
risk of terrorism. Fear is exacerbated by the disgraceful | :48:30. | :48:32. | |
comments of people like Nigel Farage. Does my right honourable | :48:33. | :48:37. | |
friend agree, security services are helped by the EU and not hindered? I | :48:38. | :48:42. | |
would say directly to my honourable friend, I have done this job for six | :48:43. | :48:48. | |
years, working with the Home Secretary, I have seen how closely | :48:49. | :48:51. | |
our intelligence and security services work with other services | :48:52. | :48:56. | |
around the world. Of course we keep ourselves safe by investing in | :48:57. | :49:00. | |
anti-terrorism policing and keep ourselves safe by working with the | :49:01. | :49:03. | |
Americans and the partnership. I am in no doubt increasing extent of | :49:04. | :49:09. | |
intelligence exchange that takes place through the EU is of direct | :49:10. | :49:15. | |
benefit. It is not just you need a border, you need information and | :49:16. | :49:18. | |
intelligence to police the border properly. We are seeing an enormous | :49:19. | :49:24. | |
amount of exchange about criminal records, passenger name records. | :49:25. | :49:28. | |
Outside the EU we can try and negotiate our way back into these | :49:29. | :49:34. | |
agreements, but right now we are in them and we are driving them. | :49:35. | :49:40. | |
Knowsley is expected to receive ?10 million in EU funding over the next | :49:41. | :49:44. | |
three years. EU funding has helped attract his Mrs to the borough like | :49:45. | :49:52. | |
QVC which created 2500 jobs. Isn't it the case of this important | :49:53. | :49:56. | |
funding from the EU could be lost if we vote to leave the European Union? | :49:57. | :50:01. | |
The honourable gentleman makes an important point. Which is, if you | :50:02. | :50:07. | |
look at these independent, economic reports, they said there is no | :50:08. | :50:10. | |
financial saving from leaving the EU. The Institute for Fiscal Studies | :50:11. | :50:17. | |
said, we can include leaving the EU would not leave more money to spend | :50:18. | :50:21. | |
on the NHS. Rather it would leave us spending less on public services or | :50:22. | :50:25. | |
taxing more or borrowing more. I would argue there is a big dividend | :50:26. | :50:29. | |
from remaining inside the EU and we will start to feel it next Friday as | :50:30. | :50:34. | |
companies could see Britain have made a decision and job creators and | :50:35. | :50:38. | |
international investors would know Britain meant business and they | :50:39. | :50:43. | |
would be investing in our country, but there is no interest in leaving. | :50:44. | :50:55. | |
The number of working households has declined since 2010, will he focus | :50:56. | :51:02. | |
on more jobs and a growing economy? The most important thing we can do | :51:03. | :51:06. | |
for parents in our country is to help them get a job, earn a living | :51:07. | :51:11. | |
and provide for their family. In our life chances strategy, measuring | :51:12. | :51:16. | |
worthlessness and school attainment are important in helping to ensure | :51:17. | :51:20. | |
we continue to help lift children out of poverty. Mr Speaker, two | :51:21. | :51:34. | |
German men run businesses in Scotland, but they cannot vote next | :51:35. | :51:40. | |
week. They leave for France on Sunday and are considering leaving | :51:41. | :51:43. | |
permanently if we exit the EU. Will the Prime Minister join my call for | :51:44. | :51:49. | |
them and others in a similar situation to stay, as they are | :51:50. | :51:54. | |
highly valued? There are many people who come to this country, work hard | :51:55. | :52:00. | |
and make a contribution and help to build communities. It is important | :52:01. | :52:05. | |
to get the numbers into the spec. 5% of the population are EU nationals, | :52:06. | :52:10. | |
Italians, Germans, Polish and the rest of it. Only five people in the | :52:11. | :52:17. | |
street will be EU nationals. Look at our NHS, 50,000 EU nationals, care | :52:18. | :52:24. | |
homes, 60,000 EU nationals helping to look after elderly relatives with | :52:25. | :52:28. | |
dementia and other conditions as they come to the end of their life. | :52:29. | :52:32. | |
We do need to make sure people who come here are working and making a | :52:33. | :52:37. | |
contribution, but we should celebrate the contribution they | :52:38. | :52:45. | |
make. Given the government's recent enthusiasm for making forecasts and | :52:46. | :52:49. | |
predictions, can the Prime Minister please tell the House, in which year | :52:50. | :52:56. | |
will we meet our manifesto commitment to reduce immigration to | :52:57. | :53:01. | |
the tens of thousands? At the last year for which EU migration was in | :53:02. | :53:07. | |
Allen 's, the number of EU nationals and British nationals leaving our | :53:08. | :53:10. | |
shores to work in Europe and the number of EU nationals coming to | :53:11. | :53:14. | |
live and work here, the last year that was in balance was 2008. I | :53:15. | :53:19. | |
would say to my honourable friend, yes, we need to do more to control | :53:20. | :53:23. | |
migration from outside the EU, and we are doing that with the closure | :53:24. | :53:27. | |
of bogus colleges and other measures. We are doing more inside | :53:28. | :53:31. | |
the EU, not least saying people who come here, if they don't get a job | :53:32. | :53:39. | |
after six months, they have to leave. If they were, they have to | :53:40. | :53:42. | |
contribute for four years before they get full access to the welfare | :53:43. | :53:45. | |
system. Those are big changes and sensible ways of controlling | :53:46. | :53:48. | |
immigration. A nonsense of always pulling out of the single market, | :53:49. | :53:51. | |
damaging jobs and damaging the economy and having to explain to our | :53:52. | :53:56. | |
constituents why we have self impose a recession on our economy. Many | :53:57. | :54:02. | |
from my constituency of Swansea are struggling to make ends meet. The | :54:03. | :54:05. | |
World Trade Organisation say if we leave the EU, we could face a major | :54:06. | :54:11. | |
tariffs on trade. We would have to re-negotiate over 160 trade | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
agreements. Does the Prime Minister agree with me, leaving the EU would | :54:17. | :54:21. | |
hit hard-working families the most, raising the cost of living and it is | :54:22. | :54:27. | |
to take a risk to take? The honourable lady is right. It is | :54:28. | :54:32. | |
always the poorest who will get hit hardest if an economy suffers a | :54:33. | :54:35. | |
recession. There are two ways the cost of living can be impacted. If | :54:36. | :54:42. | |
we lead the single market, go to WTO rules, we would have tariffs imposed | :54:43. | :54:47. | |
on the goods they sell to Europe. But also if the pound was to fall, | :54:48. | :54:51. | |
which many independent experts forecast, the cost of living rises, | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
shopping rises, the cost of holidays rises. It is not worth the risk, we | :54:57. | :55:00. | |
should not risk it, we should keep our country safe. Following the | :55:01. | :55:09. | |
Chancellor's welcome announcement to launch the new Thames Estuary 2050 | :55:10. | :55:14. | |
growth commission, could the Prime Minister outline his hopes for how | :55:15. | :55:19. | |
the commission's focus will deliver the infrastructure and economic | :55:20. | :55:22. | |
development that will allow North Kent to prosper, including my | :55:23. | :55:29. | |
wonderful constituency of Rochester? Always, whenever I get a question | :55:30. | :55:34. | |
from my honourable friend, I remember how grateful I am she is | :55:35. | :55:37. | |
sitting for Rochester and Strood. Happy days. In terms of the 2050 | :55:38. | :55:47. | |
growth commission, the key areas are skills and infrastructure. There is | :55:48. | :55:50. | |
a serious amount of money being committed to the infrastructure and | :55:51. | :55:53. | |
we do need to look at things, including the lower Thames crossing, | :55:54. | :55:57. | |
to make sure the economy in that region can make the most of its | :55:58. | :56:05. | |
potential. 2500 people are employed in the ceramics industry in my | :56:06. | :56:09. | |
constituency. Their jobs are dependent on EU trades and rights | :56:10. | :56:13. | |
are protected by the EU social chapter and their town centres have | :56:14. | :56:18. | |
been rebuilt with EU funds. With his friends in the Leave campaign | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
producing more spin than a potter's wheel... Does the Prime Minister | :56:22. | :56:32. | |
share my fear is that this by your's floors, a Brexit vote can leave is | :56:33. | :56:40. | |
picking up the pieces of a broken economy the years to come. I am | :56:41. | :56:46. | |
going to pinch that sound bite. The honourable lady is right, if we lead | :56:47. | :56:50. | |
the single market and the European Union, the council president has | :56:51. | :56:53. | |
said, the process probably takes two years. After that you have to | :56:54. | :56:58. | |
negotiate a trade deal with the European Union. If it is a trade | :56:59. | :57:01. | |
deal like Canada, it could take seven years. We are looking at a | :57:02. | :57:06. | |
decade of uncertainty for the economy. On the ceramic industry, I | :57:07. | :57:13. | |
am advised by my Parliamentary Private Secretary, who did do a | :57:14. | :57:16. | |
worthwhile job of working in that industry before coming here... He | :57:17. | :57:24. | |
may not be spinning wheels any more, but spinning for me very | :57:25. | :57:28. | |
effectively! We exported billions of porcelain soup China and the EU and | :57:29. | :57:35. | |
if we were outside the EU, there would be a 12% tax. I don't want us | :57:36. | :57:42. | |
to hit British manufactures, car-makers, aeroplane makers, we | :57:43. | :57:45. | |
should be investing in those industries and helping them support | :57:46. | :57:48. | |
and not making the situation more difficult, which is what regs it | :57:49. | :57:54. | |
would do. 30 years ago when I was a lad, my parents quit their jobs... | :57:55. | :58:07. | |
30 years ago my parents quit their jobs and they founded a small | :58:08. | :58:11. | |
manufacturing business around our kitchen table. Today, British | :58:12. | :58:16. | |
manufacturers, particularly small businesses are worried. They are | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
worried because if we leave the European Union, they will continue | :58:21. | :58:25. | |
to make their products to common European standards. Because they | :58:26. | :58:29. | |
value the free market. They value the single market and they value the | :58:30. | :58:35. | |
export. They are aware the United Kingdom will have no say whatsoever | :58:36. | :58:40. | |
in the formulation of those standards. And their competitive | :58:41. | :58:44. | |
advantage will be destroyed. What advice does my right honourable | :58:45. | :58:49. | |
friend have for my parents, for small businesses and for the | :58:50. | :58:52. | |
millions of jobs that depends on them across the country washed your | :58:53. | :59:00. | |
mark I always assumed my honourable friend was under 30, so I am | :59:01. | :59:05. | |
shocked. But he makes an important point, if we were to leave we lose | :59:06. | :59:09. | |
the seat around the table that sets the rules of the single market. | :59:10. | :59:13. | |
Sometimes those rules can be annoying or burdensome, but they are | :59:14. | :59:18. | |
the rules we have two meet. If you leave and you have no say over those | :59:19. | :59:25. | |
rules, you'd don't gain control, you lose control. It is a crucial | :59:26. | :59:30. | |
argument why the majority of small businesses back staying in EU, as | :59:31. | :59:31. | |
well as a lot of larger as this is. That I endorse the comments and | :59:32. | :59:46. | |
associate the SCOP about Paris and Orlando. Ironed assure the Prime | :59:47. | :59:54. | |
Minister that the SDLP is behind him and his efforts to ensure a Remain | :59:55. | :59:59. | |
vote but the Brexit campaigners have made our borders their resounding | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
war cry and will when it comes to the only land border between the UK | :00:09. | :00:13. | |
and the EU, we're told nothing will change. A critical economic change | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
for Northern Ireland's voters in eight days... Camber primers to | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
clarify this point and tell the people of Northern Ireland, what | :00:24. | :00:26. | |
will become of the border if the UK votes to leave the EU? I thank him | :00:27. | :00:32. | |
for his remarks about the Orlando shootings but on this issue, if we | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
vote to stay in, we know what the situation is. We know that the | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
Common travel area works, we know it can continue and everyone can have | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
confidence in that. If we were to leave, and as the Leave campaigners | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
want, make a big issue about our borders, then you've got a land | :00:50. | :00:52. | |
border between Britain outside the EU and the Republic of Ireland | :00:53. | :00:57. | |
inside the EU. And therefore you can only either have new border controls | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
between the Republic and Northern Ireland or, which I would regret | :01:03. | :01:05. | |
usually, you would have to have some sort of checks on people as they | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
left Belfast or other parts of Northern Ireland to come to the rest | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
of the United Kingdom. We can avoid these risks. There are so many risks | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
here, risks to our children's jobs, risks Tony Hibbert in future, risks | :01:19. | :01:21. | |
to our borders, risks to the unity of the UK. -- risks to our | :01:22. | :01:28. | |
children's fugitive top I say avoid the risks and vowed to remain in the | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
EU. Next week I will be visiting schools in my constituency to | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
explain both sides of the EU argument to those who will be most | :01:37. | :01:42. | |
heavily affected by a decision they cannot make. Does the Prime Minister | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
have any words for these people for the Remain segment? I am grateful | :01:46. | :01:49. | |
for his hard work. This is about that even if those people in those | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
schools aren't able to vote, will affect their futures, and I hope | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
they will talk to their parents and grandparents after being inspired by | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
my honourable friend about wanting to grow up in a country with | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
opportunity. We're bound to have more opportunity if we remain in a | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
reformed EU with 27 other countries. I also think it goes to a point | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
about what sort of country want our children to grow up in, not just one | :02:14. | :02:17. | |
of economic and job of that unity is but one where our country is able to | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
effect change and get things done in the world. We don't diminish | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
ourselves inside the EU, we enhance the power of Britain and the | :02:26. | :02:31. | |
greatness of our country. Old Bob Approximately 11,000 Marks Spencer | :02:32. | :02:39. | |
is employees, many with more than 14 years' service, are about to get a | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
serious pay cut. Cuts to Sunday pay, bank holiday and anti-social hours | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
pay, all made on the back of the national living wage, means they | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
will take home less next year than they do this year, with some losing | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
up to ?2000. This is not just any pay cut, this is a big, fat Marks | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
and Spencer pay cut. Does the Prime Minister agree with his Chancellor | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
that cutting take home pay at M or anywhere else on the back of the | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
national living wage is wrong and, if so, will he moved to close the | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
loopholes that make this possible? Obviously, we want to see the | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
national living wage leading through into the bar having higher take home | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
pay, not lower take home pay, and we would urge all companies to make | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
sure that is the case. I haven't seen the information about Marks | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
Spencer but they know, like any retailer, that they need to attract | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
and retain and motivate staff that they have and it's absolutely | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
crucial in retail, particularly with all the competition with online, | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
that they continue to do that, and they won't do that if they cut | :03:45. | :03:51. | |
people's pay. I agree with the Prime Minister on Europe. When he said to | :03:52. | :03:57. | |
the CBR on the 9th of November last year, and I quote, "Some people seem | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
to say that Britain couldn't survive, couldn't do OK outside the | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
EU, I don't think that is true," the argument isn't whether Britain could | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
survive outside the EU, of course it could. So if, as I hope, despite the | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
panic driven negativity from the Remain camp and Downing Street, the | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
British people vote next week to become a free and independent nation | :04:19. | :04:25. | |
again. Will my right honourable friend join me in embracing the | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
optimism and opportunity for our country and our people that such a | :04:30. | :04:35. | |
momentous decision would bring? I would say to my honourable friend, | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
as I said at the CBI, of course Britain can survive outside the EU. | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
Nobody is questioning that. The question is, how are we going to do | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
best? How are we going to create the most jobs, the most investment, have | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
the most opportunities our children, we'll do the greatest power in the | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
world, get things done? And all those issues, stronger, safer, | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
better off, the arguments are on the Remain aside. Could I associate | :05:03. | :05:09. | |
myself and, indeed, all of my party across the country with the remarks | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
he made earlier on about the killings in France and the brutal, | :05:13. | :05:19. | |
phobic murders in Florida. The killer and his vicious, homophobic | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
act do not speak for Islam. The wealthy Eve eat fuelling the Leave | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
campaign will be an harmed by the inevitable hike in interest rates | :05:29. | :05:34. | |
that will follow Britain's exit from the EU and the decline in sterling. | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
The rate rise, however, will have a hit on millions of ordinary British | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
people. It will push people to lose their homes through repossession and | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
push low-income people further into crippling debt. Was he advises Tory | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
Brexit colleagues that there is a long-term economic plan on offer, in | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
which he can help those people who are hard-working families not to | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
suffer? It is to vote Remain on Thursday. He and I are often on | :06:03. | :06:09. | |
opposing sides of arguments but I think it says volumes about the | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
breadth of the campaign to remain in a reformed EU that we have the | :06:14. | :06:16. | |
Liberal Democrats, as well as the Labour Party, the Greens, the trades | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
unions, and so many others, coming from different perspectives but all | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
saying our economy will be better off so therefore families will be | :06:26. | :06:28. | |
better off, our country will be better off, if we remain in, and | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
he's absolutely right in what he says about interest rates. The last | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
thing homeowners, home-buyers and our country needs is a hike in | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
interest rates damaging our economy. I'm glad he's bought a long-term | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
economic plan and that should have, as part of its plan, remaining in | :06:45. | :06:51. | |
reformed EU. Can I congratulate him for an array our manifesto pledge -- | :06:52. | :06:57. | |
honouring our manifesto pledge and delivering this historic referendum. | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
Unfortunately, we have heard some hysterical scaremongering during | :07:03. | :07:05. | |
this debate. There are those in this House, and in the other place, who | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
believe that if the British people decide to leave the EU, there should | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
be a second referendum. Can he assure the House and the country | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
that whatever the result on June 24, his government will carry out the | :07:21. | :07:26. | |
wishes of the British people. If the voters to remain, to remain, and if | :07:27. | :07:29. | |
the voters to leave, which I hope it is, then we leave. I'm very happy to | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
agree with my honourable friend. In means we remain in a reformed | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
European Union, out means we come out. And as the Leave campaigners | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
have said and others have said, out means out of the European Union, out | :07:44. | :07:50. | |
of the European single market, out of the council of ministers, out of | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
all of those things, and it then means a process of delivering that | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
which will take at least two years, and then delivering a trade deal | :07:59. | :08:01. | |
which could take as many as seven years, so I would say to anyone | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
still in doubt - and there are even members in this House still thinking | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
about how to vote - if you haven't made up your mind yet, if you are | :08:10. | :08:12. | |
still uncertain, when you think of that decade of uncertainty for our | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
economy and everything else, don't risk it, and vote Remain. The North | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
Middlesex Hospital accident and emergency unit is incomplete | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
meltdown. Will the Prime Minister commit to taking swift action to | :08:28. | :08:34. | |
tackle this crisis? I do understand it is a very busy accident and | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
emergency unit. It has received over 30,600 patients through its doors in | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
April alone but it has managed to carry out 40,000 operations and more | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
than 62,000 diagnostic tests every year. If we look at what has | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
happened since 2010, there are 120 more doctors, 200 mating more nurses | :08:54. | :08:59. | |
recruited by the trust. -- 280 more nurses. But I think this comes out | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
to the core argument of today. If we remain in, we will have a stronger | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
economy and then we have to make sure we take the proceeds of growth | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
in that economy and continue to put them into the NHS, as I've always | :09:11. | :09:16. | |
done as Prime Minister. I'm looking forward to the British people giving | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
me the opportunity to vote against the vindictive emergency budget. | :09:20. | :09:25. | |
Will my right honourable friend explained that if the Government is | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
so strapped for cash, why is it still intent on spending ?50 billion | :09:31. | :09:37. | |
on HS2? The point is that we will be strapped for cash if you believe the | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
Institute for Fiscal Studies, or the national Institute for it, can | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
social research, both impeccably Independent, who say there will be a | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
hole in our public finances between 20 billion and 40 billion. If the | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
economy shrinks and you have fewer jobs and lower wages, you get less | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
tax receipts. If you have less tax receipts, clearly you either have to | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
make cuts or you have to put up taxes or you have to increase | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
borrowing. It is a simple matter of mathematics. There is an easy way to | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
avoid getting into that situation and that is devoted to stay in a | :10:13. | :10:14. | |
reformed EU next Thursday. Order. I once asked the US Secretary of | :10:15. | :10:36. | |
State but his policy was in the Caribbean, and he said it was a | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
potter portrayed in a formulation mode. I think you can use that to | :10:42. | :10:49. | |
describe today's PMQs. Jeremy Corbyn started with a question which took | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
us by surprise on phone hacking. He then moved on to the NHS and Leave | :10:54. | :11:06. | |
and whether the NHS would be weaker or stronger. And then the old | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
favourite about the post workers directive, and the agencies who only | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
advertise jobs abroad. We moved on the migrant funds which Jeremy | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
Corbyn was pushing. The Prime Minister said he had reignited the | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
migrant funds. Then we had fishing quotas. We didn't see that one | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
happening, but there is a lot going on on the Thames at the moment with | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
fishermen for Brexit being assailed by Bob Geldof in a different vote | :11:36. | :11:44. | |
for Remain. But should be fun. You know it is a big news event when | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
helicopters are scrambled to cover it. Finally we got to the central, | :11:50. | :11:58. | |
crucial note of this referendum, the Chancellor saying he would need an | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
emergency budget if we voted to leave and Jeremy Corbyn as the Prime | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
Minister what he thought about the 57 MPs who said they wouldn't vote | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
for that. We then got Mr Cameron to give his case that the union. The | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
questions were lined up so the Prime Minister could respond in that way. | :12:19. | :12:25. | |
An unusual PMQs. Break next week. Helen Manning said Jeremy Corbyn | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
asking questions about phone hacking and agency workers EU directives | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
when this country is on the brink of deciding future, is farcical. | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
Kurt said they were the most boring and staged questions by Jeremy | :12:40. | :12:46. | |
Corbyn. Geoffrey said scaremongering from Mr Cameron Phil is no one. He | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
should be ashamed of himself, I have a sneaky suspicion it was his last | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
PMQs as Conservative leader anyway. And then this tweet from Matt - | :12:55. | :13:01. | |
there are a lot of bored journalists sitting in PMQs wishing they were | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
outside on a boat, they are miserably watching the flotilla on | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
Twitter. There is some truth in that. We will | :13:10. | :13:16. | |
see if we can get some pictures of this flotilla. Is there don't know | :13:17. | :13:27. | |
flotilla as well. Not unless you have charted it. We have a reporter | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
on this flotilla, we are going live before the end of this programme. | :13:32. | :13:37. | |
Some people are barbecuing Scottish langoustine brought all the way from | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
Peterhead. If that is your kind of thing, it might be worth going to | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
the river. Look at the pictures. I think the big boat in the middle | :13:48. | :13:54. | |
belongs to Bob Geldof, the Leave one. Hose down by a Leave boat. A | :13:55. | :14:04. | |
senior member of the government did say to me this morning, what is | :14:05. | :14:11. | |
going on in the world. We are on the verge of making this huge decision | :14:12. | :14:15. | |
and we end up with boats scrapping each other on the Thames. There is a | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
very strange mood in Westminster because nobody has a clue what is | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
going to happen. Partly because the polling models don't work and the | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
parties are discredited after the general election. People are hearing | :14:31. | :14:33. | |
different messages on the doorsteps. There is a sense that anything might | :14:34. | :14:40. | |
happen. One of the viewers said, it might be huge, but it might be David | :14:41. | :14:51. | |
Cameron's last PMQs. It is one of the multiplicity of possible things | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
that might happen in the next ten days. Is it a strange atmosphere, | :14:55. | :15:01. | |
John? People are taking control and the politicians don't know what to | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
do. I am talking about Labour MPs, going out and having street stalls, | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
they are getting robust exchanges, shall we say. When they are knocking | :15:12. | :15:17. | |
on doors, to find what is happening, there aren't many knocking on doors, | :15:18. | :15:20. | |
but they are shocked at the response they are getting. They shouldn't be. | :15:21. | :15:27. | |
The interesting thing is, my prediction, the turnout in | :15:28. | :15:32. | |
working-class communities will be higher than in any other | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
communities, for the first time since the 50s. It is true, | :15:37. | :15:42. | |
everywhere I go, the school gates, the local shop, for the first time, | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
everybody is talking about it. They are not talking about the debate we | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
politicians are having, whatever our views are. That is not influencing | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
them, they are talking about what their experience is of it, workplace | :15:58. | :16:04. | |
discussions, discussions in the community and discussions in | :16:05. | :16:07. | |
families around the dinner table. That is what is going on and that is | :16:08. | :16:13. | |
why so many people are going to vote. It has proved much tougher for | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
the Prime Minister than he thought. He didn't expect to be in this | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
position one week out, it was meant to be that by now, it would still be | :16:22. | :16:29. | |
a fight, but a clear majority to Remain. Why hasn't it worked out? I | :16:30. | :16:35. | |
don't know what the result will be. I still think it will be a Remain | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
vote. I know I will annoy the viewers again and sound like a | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
cliched politician, but we know the polls have been wrong and there was | :16:46. | :16:51. | |
a rogue poll for the Scottish independence, and there was in terms | :16:52. | :16:53. | |
of the general election. It isn't a slam dunk. My question didn't imply | :16:54. | :17:04. | |
victory for Remain Leave. Why has it turned out to be tougher? I think | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
John is onto something because there is a disconnect between Westminster | :17:11. | :17:13. | |
politicians and their voters. It wasn't meant to be an anti-labour | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
point, but Labour finds itself in a disconnected position. It is what | :17:20. | :17:22. | |
has happened to the Labour Party in Scotland. It has been replaced by | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
the SNP, the centre-left party people vote for that they feel talk | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
to them. And I think the similar is happening in Labour's northern | :17:33. | :17:39. | |
constituencies. John has worked very hard to keep in touch with the | :17:40. | :17:48. | |
voters. That is true, but the David Cameron misjudgement above all. I | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
think he thought, let's call them the Labour moderates, Liz candle, | :17:54. | :17:56. | |
Yvette Cooper, very pro-European, historically. They would be | :17:57. | :18:02. | |
outspoken and it would carry that sway and Jeremy and his leadership | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
and these new people, that would appeal, I think they bought the myth | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
of these vast numbers of Jeremy Corbyn fans out there, where are | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
they? The fact is, there aren't that many of them, they are not knocking | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
on doors. A lot of them, possibly Jeremy Corbyn himself, not that | :18:22. | :18:28. | |
convinced about the European Union. The George Osborne, David Cameron | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
playbook for the referendum was they saw as being a successful tactic in | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
the Scottish referendum and then a successful tactic in the general | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
election, don't take the risk with the economy. That is the play, that | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
is what they decided to do in this referendum campaign as well. Despite | :18:48. | :18:51. | |
the fact people in the Conservative Party and the Labour Party, | :18:52. | :18:56. | |
internally in the Remain camp have been saying, we have to offer more | :18:57. | :18:59. | |
than this, it is not the general election or a replay of the Scottish | :19:00. | :19:06. | |
referendum. Yes, there is a problem with Labour having a disconnect with | :19:07. | :19:09. | |
their voters, but one of the big points we have seen, the Prime | :19:10. | :19:17. | |
Minister is now in an uncomfortable position, then analysis of what | :19:18. | :19:20. | |
would work in this referendum campaign going on the narrow | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
economic point, has proved to be wrong. That has not delivered, it | :19:24. | :19:32. | |
hasn't resonated. I would suggest, and there are all sorts of things | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
going on in this referendum, I would suggest this referendum was always | :19:37. | :19:39. | |
going to be about identity as well as how well of the country is. Also, | :19:40. | :19:45. | |
there has a thing we have seen in the last few weeks, we are in a | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
post-fact world. People we have been talking to around the country, | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
seeing people and listening to politicians and asking questions of | :19:57. | :19:58. | |
politicians, voters don't want to believe any of them at all. So | :19:59. | :20:05. | |
Westminster scrapping over the 350 million whatever, people don't | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
believe either side at all. It is about expenses, probably about cash | :20:10. | :20:16. | |
for honours in Iraq. People had underestimated the level of distrust | :20:17. | :20:19. | |
amongst some parts of the electorate. I think many voters | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
it'll be about instinct. The Scottish referendum was as much | :20:25. | :20:33. | |
about identity as was about the economy and in terms of what John is | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
finding on the doorstep, I don't know, but I think there are issues | :20:38. | :20:40. | |
that do resonate. One is about sovereignty, are we ruled by Europe | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
or not? I think we are strong independent nation. It is about an | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
economic risk. People do to that point on board. And there is this | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
whole debate about immigration, not being anti immigration per se but | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
worried about the effect on public services. There is one very powerful | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
thing that is also going on, and I don't disagree with what you are | :21:04. | :21:05. | |
saying, and that's about empowerment. Zero our contracts, | :21:06. | :21:11. | |
agency work, it's a referendum. We can make a decision and people are | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
thinking... The feedback I get, people are talking about agency work | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
all the time. This is what I think is motivated people. It's not about | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
"We don't like foreigners". There's a tiny group who say that, but that | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
is not what the vast majority are saying. To me they are saying the | :21:30. | :21:33. | |
opposite. They are saying, I've got this wonderful Polish neighbour next | :21:34. | :21:40. | |
to me, but it's my job. And that empowerment where they can make a | :21:41. | :21:43. | |
decision, that's very big and that's why turnout will be high. We have | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
run out of time and need to move on. It is fast approaching one o'clock. | :21:49. | :21:49. | |
Laura, thank you. Now, the businessman | :21:50. | :21:51. | |
Philip Green has been appearing from MPs over his part | :21:52. | :21:53. | |
in the collapse of the high There's certainly no intent at all | :21:54. | :22:08. | |
on my part for anything to be like this, and it didn't need to be like | :22:09. | :22:11. | |
this, and I just want to apologise to all the BHS people who have been | :22:12. | :22:17. | |
involved in this. When you first... I wasn't involved in it. I can't | :22:18. | :22:20. | |
answer you because I wasn't involved in its. You can ask me as many | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
questions as you like. This was not on my table to deal with. On your | :22:26. | :22:31. | |
commitment to the pension scheme... Why can't I answer the question? No, | :22:32. | :22:39. | |
no, no, because you are not getting the right information. He is trying | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
to make me answer things I cannot answer and force me to give him the | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
answer he wants and I'm not going to. Before the hearing, Philip Green | :22:46. | :22:51. | |
described the Parliamentary increase as a process which is not even the | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
pretence of fairness and objectivity and at its primary objective was | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
"The destruction of my repeat edition" you describe the showed up? | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
No, because then he would have been dragged on and it would have been | :23:05. | :23:07. | |
even worse. His reputation is damaged anyway. When his web of | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
things are going well, he takes all the glory and all of the money. When | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
it goes wrong, everyone else takes the hit and he says it is nothing to | :23:18. | :23:21. | |
do with him. That is fundamentally wrong morally, ethically, and is | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
fundamentally unfair. But in the end, Ed Vaizey, what did we learn? | :23:26. | :23:31. | |
Those people are still going to lose those jobs. I haven't seen the | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
select committee hearing but Frank Field is a highly respected chairman | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
of that committee, very experienced in these issues, and the reason he | :23:41. | :23:43. | |
is in front of the committee is about the future of the BHS pension, | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
so I'm sure the select committee report will influence thinking. The | :23:49. | :23:51. | |
Government itself is thinking in terms of the insolvency service | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
inquiry and working with the pensions regulator and the pension | :23:56. | :23:58. | |
protection fund. But you would expect a committee like Frank's to | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
either firstly focus on what happened to the BHS pension but also | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
come up with recommendations on what has happened, for the Government to | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
say, these are things we should be thinking about. He refused to | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
guarantee today that people in the scheme would get the same amount, | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
those already in the scheme, would get the same amount they were | :24:20. | :24:22. | |
originally entitled to before BHS collapsed, in terms of pensions. If | :24:23. | :24:26. | |
his plan does fall short, should the Government stepping? It is too soon | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
to say and I don't want to be accused of dodging the question but | :24:31. | :24:33. | |
there is a process where you have the pensions regulator, which has | :24:34. | :24:36. | |
the power, potentially, to ask the former owner of a company to | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
contribute to a pension deficit, and you've got the pension protection | :24:41. | :24:44. | |
fund, which was set up precisely to help where a pension fund was in | :24:45. | :24:47. | |
deficit because of a company going bust. So both those organisations | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
are working with the BHS pension trustees. But if that doesn't | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
happen, should the government help? Potentially, the protection fund is | :24:57. | :24:59. | |
the Government's body to help out when the pension is a deficit. So | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
maybe, then. Sir Philip Green also said he is working on a solution for | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
the BHS pensions mess, as he called it, and said it wasn't anything | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
directly to do with him, in terms of the talks that happened beforehand. | :25:13. | :25:15. | |
There are 20,000 people in the scheme and it has a ?571 million | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
deficit. What do you think will happen? I think there is a big | :25:21. | :25:24. | |
danger those people are going to lose out quite a lot and therefore | :25:25. | :25:27. | |
it needs government assistance and need him to cough up all the money | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
he made out of this escapade and put it back in. Do you think that is | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
likely? No. Oh, well, there you go. I got an answer. That was an answer! | :25:39. | :25:51. | |
Nigel Farage is leading a flotilla in protest at the EU fishing quotas. | :25:52. | :25:57. | |
They set off from South End in the early hours of the morning, | :25:58. | :26:00. | |
and made their way under London Bridge before arriving | :26:01. | :26:02. | |
You can see them there looking onto the MPs' Terrace. | :26:03. | :26:10. | |
It's not been entirely plain sailing as they also encountered | :26:11. | :26:13. | |
pro-Remain ships - one carrying the activist | :26:14. | :26:15. | |
Bob Geldof - as they made their way toward the Westminster. | :26:16. | :26:21. | |
We are seafaring nation and it is only fair that this should be fought | :26:22. | :26:27. | |
out in the Thames. Our man on the front line in the Battle of the | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
Brexit votes is Giles Dilnot. We go to him live. | :26:32. | :26:37. | |
You had debates, you've had leaflets, you haven't heard anything | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
quite like this. A water board war of words between Nigel Farage and | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
Bob Geldof! A flotilla of fishing industry votes for Leave saying that | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
the EU has crippled the industry. We got a whole flotilla of small In | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
votes zipping around and that large barge with Bob Geldof on it, | :26:55. | :27:01. | |
chanting that the EU benefits fishermen. There were not many | :27:02. | :27:04. | |
fishermen on board that vote. Nigel Farage pointing out that this is a | :27:05. | :27:08. | |
millionaire dictating to small businessmen. I saw earlier the | :27:09. | :27:15. | |
millionaire supporter of Leave.EU smiling at me and saying that it | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
looked fun. There are people saying the EU has been very bad for them, | :27:20. | :27:22. | |
Nigel Farage is here to support them, and when it got to that battle | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
of words, it was quite something and most of us have ears ringing. We've | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
moved away from the House of Commons because frankly, you wouldn't have | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
heard a word I said. I'm glad you did but you seem to be going | :27:36. | :27:38. | |
upstream now. When are you going to turn round and go back down again? I | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
have absolutely no idea, to be honest. I want a tactical retreat, | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
from I think, from the sound barrage. Safe sailing, Giles tit | :27:48. | :27:50. | |
thank you very much. There's just time to put you out | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
of your misery and give John Mann, press that buzzer. Lets | :27:55. | :28:06. | |
see who it is. It is Stephen Collinson from | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
Hastings. Well done, you got the historic mug, which is no different | :28:11. | :28:11. | |
to any of the others. I'll be back tomorrow | :28:12. | :28:13. | |
with the Daily Politics at midday and then a special extended | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
edition of This Week. We'll be on until the small wee | :28:18. | :28:20. | |
hours of the morning to bring you the results | :28:21. | :28:22. | |
of the Tooting by-election. And for the benefit of those | :28:23. | :28:32. | |
who live in Tooting, a full list of candidates standing in that | :28:33. | :28:35. | |
by-election is on the screen now. You will each collect | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
a Michelin-starred chef. 'En route, | :28:39. | :29:02. | |
each chef will prepare a dish.' | :29:03. | :29:05. |