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01/07/2016

Andrew Neil is joined by journalists Tom Newton Dunn and Zoe Williams to discuss the Conservative leadership contest and the future of Labour and Jeremy Corbyn.


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Fresh from triggering Boris Johnson's departure

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from the Conservative leadership race, Michael Gove sets out his case

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The Justice Secretary is due to launch his campaign in the next

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And with the full field of five candidates now fighting for votes

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amongst Conservative MPs, we'll assess their chances ahead

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Jeremy Corbyn insists he's not going anywhere

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and there's no sign, yet, of a concrete challenge

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We'll assess what happens next in the Labour Party's civil war.

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All that in the next half hour and with us for the whole

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of the programme today, the Sun's political editor

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Tom Newton Dunn, and the Guardian columnist Zoe Williams.

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The Conservative leadership battle is turning into an episode

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Yesterday morning we were getting ready for Boris Johnson

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to make his move to be the Capo di Capo with sidekick Andrea Leadsom

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But all that changed when Michael Gove made his move

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and whacked Boris by running himself, saying that "Boris cannot

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provide the leadership or build the team

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Andrea Leadsom then announced she was going for the top job,

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leaving Boris to look at the numbers and decide there wasn't

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Now there are five declared candidates, with Gove and Leadsom

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joined by Stephen Crabb, Liam Fox and the current favourite,

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But the plan is a series of votes beginning next Tuesday until there

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Then all Conservative Party members across the country get to vote

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with a new boss taking charge by the 9th of September.

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And they will also be our Prime Minister.

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In the last half an hour, Boris Johnson was asked by reporters

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as he left home about Michael Gove's decision to stand for

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I cannot, unfortunately, get on with doing what I wanted

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to do so it will be up to somebody else now.

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Do you have any regrets about campaigning for Leave?

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No, I think it will be great for our country and we

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I think everybody needs to take advantage of what I think will be

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That was Boris Johnson walking, we are not sure where that he was

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walking a bit of mumbling, we could not catch all of it. We are hearing

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that some Conservative ministers are now pressing Michael Gove to

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withdraw which would be interesting since it was only on yesterday

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morning that he announced he was standing. They want to rally round

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Theresa May so that she wins by a huge amount and that kind of

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determined it. If that happens, don't ask me! What I can take it

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that he will be speaking after Boris Johnson withdrew yesterday, I doubt

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he will do. Where are we? I'm hamstrung by not understanding the

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Conservative psyche. It doesn't help! It is baffling. If Michael

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Gove were to withdraw and leave it open for Theresa May, they still

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have 2% two names to the party members. And then the other is what,

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Liam Fox? That is technically right but they are a bit better at making

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it up as they go along than Labour. If Theresa May was to emerge from a

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first or second ballot is a clear front runner, there would be

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pressure on the other is to stand down. They would call the

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consistency chairman around the country. None of this may happen but

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that is the kind of world we are in. I don't buy it. You are right that

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Theresa May will top the ballot and it is hers to lose. However, there

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is still this schism in the Tory body between Remain and Leave. The

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little referendum last week! The idea you can send want tendered to

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the entire membership who is a Remainer, they have to have those on

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the ticket to resolve this is a huge party. You may be right. I saw a

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wonderful pressie for an American audience which said that Theresa May

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campaigned for Remain but is now in favour of Leave which is exactly the

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opposite of Jeremy Corbyn. No! Exactly the same! Completely

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confused! She was indivisible Tom Corbyn. I'm lost as well! -- from

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Corbyn. Do we know yet what triggered the Brutus act of Michael

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Gove? Yes. Did you not read the Sun? We think we have got to the nub of

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it. It was the letter to Andrea Leadsom. Offering her the

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chancellorship? She was ready to pull out and go with team Boris. It

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was orchestrated by Michael Gove and all Boris had to do was offer in

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writing the job of Chancellor. Boris apparently did write this letter but

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it was never delivered to Andrea Leadsom at this Tory summer party. A

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huge amount of conspiracy theories on both side as to what it was not

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deliberate but it ended up with her saying, I will run against you and

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let's go to war. All this was the excuse, I use that word carefully,

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to say that Boris is an incompetent. Some people say that it was one

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Michael Gove's supporters that was meant to deliver the letter. I have

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a supporter of Andrea Leadsom waiting. There was no pigeon

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involved? It is beginning to sound more like the Camorra than the

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Mafia! We can talk now to the Conservative

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MP Tim Loughton, who He is supporting Andrea Leadsom. Was

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she offered the shadow chancellorship or, not the shadow,

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the chancellorship, by Mr Johnson? I don't know, Andrew. There are more

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twists and plots than Shakespeare. I'm not interested in who did what

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to whom when, all I'm interested in is making sure we have a good

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candidate to be Prime Minister and Andrea Leadsom is that person will

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stop she had been a junior She has been a junior minister for

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two years. Why would a junior minister be equipped to be Prime

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Minister? I think David Cameron had been an MP for only four years when

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he became leader of our party and he had never been a minister at the

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time. He wasn't going to be Prime Minister straightaway. She has had a

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very long and distinguished career in finance, highly regarded in the

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city. She had been over six years in Parliament and a very successful and

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promoted minister as well. She has got the skills but she is also

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widely respected and liked across not only the whole of the party but

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the whole Parliament. She is the real deal and we need somebody who

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has the experience in finance and in negotiation because these are

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challenging times ahead. She was the most passionate Brexit supporter.

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When did she tell you she was running? It was all rather

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last-minute. I was asked to put together a campaign team which met

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firstly yesterday morning. When did she tell you she was running? I

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spoke to her on the night before she put in. She had been considering

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this... How long had she been talking to you? I rather lose track

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of time as well. She's my closest friend in politics, I spent a couple

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of days with her last week and we were talking through all the

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different scenarios and how she could stand, if she should but she

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wants to give more choice to the party. She is particularly

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passionate, and she was the most passionate Brexiteer. She is

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single-minded on that. I understand that it's her position. What was the

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biggest thing that triggered her decision to run? Because she wants

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to do the deal on Europe for Britain. That is her single most

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important task and the most important thing is facing the

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country. She threw herself into the referendum debate not to promote

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herself but because she passionately believed that Britain's best future

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is outside the EU. I understand all that... She now wants to see it

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through. And she did not think that Boris Johnson would be able to do

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the kind of Brexit deal that she wants? As I say, she wanted to have

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a choice of Brexit candidates. There were concerns on some of the things

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that Boris had said on rowing back but she is absolutely clear on where

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she wants to go on Europe and the sort of renegotiation we need. And

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briefly, what would be a good result for her in the first ballot? What

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are you hoping for? I do know how the figures are going to fall. We

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are spending the next few days speaking to an awful lot of

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colleagues and my office was filled with MPs knocking on the door asking

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to come and help so I think she will get a respectable score. It is too

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early to know. She will be in the final two and may the best woman

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win. Did you see what he did! Thank you very much for joining us, a busy

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weekend ahead for you. What do you make of that? I think there is a

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fairly decent chance that could come true. The unpopularity of Michael

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Gove Indy has hazard commons amongst the Tories is so big. I think he

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will run -- in the House of Commons. Going back a step, we have to talk

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about the policies in this, nobody has talked about Brexit policy. That

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is because they don't have any. They have to that a leadership contest.

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Why do they hate Michael Gove so much? Look at his rear-view mirror,

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in the last week he has taken Britain out of the EU, killed off

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the Prime Minister and now Boris Johnson. The bodies are piling up

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behind him. It is literally a case of personal honour, they think he is

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dishonourable but they are asking how they can trust him. There will

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certainly be a big stop Michael Gove campaign. As there was with Boris.

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Of course, the Conservatives aren't the only party facing leadership

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The slow-motion uprising against Jeremy Corbyn looks set

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to continue into next week, with no sign of a formal challenge

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This morning the Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell, has been speaking

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about the economic implications of the vote to leave

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Our political correspondent Ben Wright was watching his

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Then, what was he telling us? John McDonell is talking about Brexit

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policy in its broadest sense, the red line is that he says Labour

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should have as it takes part in preacher discussion about the terms

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of our exit, so he talked, unsurprisingly, about the need to

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protect workers' writes, financial passport in for the city, the rights

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of EU citizens here. Very, very broad brush and pretty vague but

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questions soon got onto the leadership issue, of course, and I

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asked John McDonnell how important this was, considering the fact that

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most of the Shadow Cabinet, the vast majority of MPs, want Jeremy Corbyn

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to quit, how plausible it was that Mr Corbyn would still be in the

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lead's seat by the time Brexit negotiations began and Mr McDonnell

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was quite emphatic that Jeremy Corbyn would still be there. He did,

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though, say, bring it on, really, to challenge us. Mr Corbyn is resisting

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any move to force him to resign, that's quite clear. He's digging in

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and the challenge is to Angela eagle, Owen Smith and others, if you

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want a leadership contest you are going to have to make a move and do

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it yourself. John McDonell pretty much said, get on with it and do it

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in the next few days. Thank you very much for that. Another developer

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and, John McDonell speaking. He himself on the Sunday Politics last

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weekend and again this morning has ruled himself out from standing as

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Labour leader. Of course, Michael Gove ruled himself out of standing

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as Conservative leader. We've been joined by Manuel Cortes,

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the general secretary of the transport union,

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TSSA, who are backing Jeremy Corbyn. Welcome to the programme. Good

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morning. Mr Corbyn, when he was running the campaign for the

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leadership last year, the campaign was called JC4PM. How does that work

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on our? He's got a lot of support within our party but also if you

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look at the election result under Corbyn, they've been very good.

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We've won every single by-election. The Mayor of Bristol, something that

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Ed Miliband failed to do, and over the piece we've been doing extremely

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well. I think it's really sad that it appears that many within the PLP

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have lost their senses. At a time when the Tories are bitterly

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divided... Let me narrow the question down and ask you this. We

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haven't got much time. How could he form a government when AT the centre

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of the Parliamentary party has no confidence in him was I tell you

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what's really important... It's really important that you answer my

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question. MPs need to take the weekend off under threat and what

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they're doing because what Labour voters want us to do is to join

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behind the leader and challenge the Tories. The Tories are bitterly

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divided. There is going to be blood over carpet when it comes to the

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contest for the next leader of the Tory party and we should be taking

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advantage. That's fine but that is just rhetoric. With the current

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Parliamentary party, he can't even form a Shadow Cabinet, much less a

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government. So it would follow that he could only form a government

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after the next election with a very different Parliamentary party.

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Correct? Well, this is not about challenging those MPs that are

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currently within Westminster. Lets wait and see what happens. We are a

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democratic party. We have got a constitutional process by which the

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leader of the Labour Party can be challenged and what these people are

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doing is childish and petulant. They haven't even got a candidate. You

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would have thought if somebody was challenging the leader of the Labour

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Party, they would have agreed somebody to stand against him. I

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understand all that but these are just debating points. I'm trying to

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get to the heart of this matter, which is how does Mr Corbyn form a

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government, become Prime Minister, if AT % of the Parliamentary party

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is against inquest -- 80%. He is standing firm and telling his MPs

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that they need to unite to make sure that we do not disappoint the

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millions of people who need a Labour government. They should spend the

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weekend reflecting on their actions they're coming across as childish

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and petulant and it is time they grew up. And if they don't grow up,

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to use your words, surely if Mr Corbyn is serious about becoming

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Prime Minister, he has to have a Parliamentary party that reflects Mr

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Corbyn. There have to be major changes before the election among

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those who stand for your party. For him to become Prime Minister, we

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have to win many more seats, well over 106. There will be a lot of new

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talent coming into the party but we must not forget that there are a lot

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of talented people currently within the PLP. And asking them to reflect

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on their actions. You've done that three times and we will see if they

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do it. Sorry, you supported Mr Corbyn. Are you going to write a

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book now about Labour's downfall? I supported Jeremy Corbyn because he

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did represent something that the members clearly wanted. He had a

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voice of hope, he seemed really radically different to the same old

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diet that the other three were offering. What do they do now? I

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genuinely think the failure to make the European case properly is

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decisive. I think it was terrible and I think we're in... I want to

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take issue with that. I share many platforms with Jeremy and he was

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making the point to remain in Europe but, like him, as a socialist I've

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got a different vision of the kind of Europe I want. Me to! But the

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point that he made... You cannot change Europe without being part of

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it and that's why we were committed to staying. You say you were

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committed to staying batik plainly wasn't committed to staying. It was

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obvious that he wasn't a remain and that has caused a crisis. Let me

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talk, because you've talked a lot. There has been a hard core of

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Blairite MPs trying to get rid of him but I do not think that is the

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situation now. As Andrew says, it is AT % of MPs, huge amount of people

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in the Labour Party who would have supported a change of vision, a

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change of vision, but cannot support somebody who cannot articulate the

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case that was so important to the Labour Party and to Labour Party

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members. If I could finish quickly... You made a good point so

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he should reply. Let's be brutally honest. Many people who voted for

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Brexit did so in former industrial heartlands. They are looking for a

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message of hope and I think that Jeremy is the only person who could

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deliver that. But he didn't because otherwise they would have voted for

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his side in the Remain vote. If they believed in, they would have stayed

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with him for the Europe vote and they didn't believe him. It is very

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difficult to expect someone to change the body politics of this

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country in nine months. After 40 years of one-way traffic, I think we

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should give him a chance. I think he's on the right track to talk our

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by-election results have been good. You've said that. I want to ask a

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question. We've just heard that the Austrian Supreme Court has ruled

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that there has to be a rerun in the presidential election in Austria,

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which was narrowly won against a pretty hard right alternative

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candidate. That is a rerun of the presidential election in Austria. A

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lot of Labour MPs say to me, it's not about whether he is left or

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right, they think he's just useless as a leader. Does it not take a

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particularly special expertise to organise and anti-Semitism

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conference and lump Israel together with Islamic State, which is what Mr

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Corbyn did yesterday? I think you'll find this morning that some of those

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comments that were treated to him have no longer been backed up. I

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know exactly what he said. I've heard the tape. He said so-called

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Islamic state and other organisations and Israel was in that

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sentence. What could he mean why so-called Islamic State? It has to

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include Islamic State. He has a proven track record all his life of

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fighting racism... So why lump Israel with Islamic State? I wasn't

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there, I don't know in what context... It is on tape. I haven't

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heard the tape. One quick question. Is splitting the Labour Party into,

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a formal split, STP labour, what a writ is called, the price you are

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winning to pay to keep Jeremy in? That, you must admit, is a real

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prospect it up I don't see the prospect of a Labour Party split. I

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think people need to reflect on their actions. We've got the weekend

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coming up and I think at a time where... You set such a lot of store

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by the weekend! Well, it's going to be a big weekend! We need cool

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heads. They are a Democratic party, they need to find a challenger if

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that's what they want but let's talk about the leader until that happens.

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Manuel Cortes, we'll leave it there. I think we are going around in

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circles now. I'm grateful for you to spelling out your position. It will

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be a very interesting weekend for a change. We haven't had an

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interesting weekend for years in politics! Let's assume a challenger

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does emerge at some stage, I would have thought, otherwise they will

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look foolish, and the election goes to the country, to the Labour Party

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in the country. Does Mr Corbyn win again and if he does, does that

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split the Labour Party? I think the answer is probably, not least

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because 60,000 people just joined the Labour Party. You talked MPs now

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and they are absolutely adamant, this is it. Corbyn wins again, we

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go, and we'll take some unions with us, but it is curtains for Labour.

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I'm afraid we finished with you. We haven't got much time. You've had a

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good innings! You scored a few runs as well! I don't know if the 60,000

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are joining momentum. I think they're on the other side. Secondly,

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I don't think the split is going to come from that direction. I think of

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Corbyn goes in and wins, he will stage a deselection from

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constituencies. We need to move on to adopt we're rushed to date it up

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it's a shame we haven't got more time. It is a shame but there's

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something called Wimbledon that we've been cut down for. It's not as

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if the countries and political crisis or anything! Please help me,

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Manuel! As we were discussing earlier,

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Michael Gove has been setting out his pitch

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for the Conservative leadership. Speaking in the last few minutes

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he said that whilst he may not have glamour or charisma,

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he is the right person I knew that we needed a leader

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who both believed in this new path and could build and lead a united

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team to guide us through

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the challenges ahead. I believed that Boris Johnson,

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who had campaigned alongside me with such

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energy and enthusiasm, I so wanted that plan to work

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and worked night and day for it. But I came to realise this week

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that, for all Boris's formidable talents, he was not the right

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person for that task. That realisation meant that I once

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more faced a Could I recommend to

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friends, colleagues and the country of course in which I no

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longer believed? I had to stand up

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for my convictions. I had to stand up for a different

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course for this country, I had to stand for the leadership

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of this party. And in standing I cannot promise

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that all the days ahead for I cannot pledge that

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a few bold strokes will heal all our divisions

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and solve the quick All I can pledge is that I will

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always be guided by principle. I will govern as captain of the team

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and I will always, always put my country and our people

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above everything. This country voted for change

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and I am going to deliver it. I'm the candidate for leader

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who changed our education system. changing our prisons

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and justice system. I'm the candidate for leader who led

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the case for change in this referendum campaign

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and the country voted for change. The country voted for no more

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politics as usual, no more business as usual,

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and that is why I'm standing That is Mr Gove beginning his

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leadership bid for the Conservative Party, to be the next finalist. He

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went on to say that he did think immigration numbers should come

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down, that seemed to be a matter of dispute between him and Boris

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Johnson of the week and. We had hoped to be speaking to Dominic

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Raab, a big supporter of Mr Gove, but in the course of the programme

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he's pulled out. There's a lot of that going on at all sides! Isn't Mr

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Gove's bid marred by what has happened in the past 72 hours? It's

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defined by it. It absolutely would not have happened if he happens to

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the knife into Cameron and then Boris and he has two somehow park

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that and persuade people to forget about that. I think you'll find it

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very hard. Are we heading towards the Conservatives having the second

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woman Prime Minister in our history? Quite possibly. I can't see them

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going for gof. -- Michael Gove. The funny thing about Theresa Yobe is,

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she does, in this chaos, you kind of want the safety option. She does

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seem like a solid rock. We need to leave it there. Even you want to hug

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Theresa May! There will be no holding on this programme.

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I thank you both. I'll be back on Sunday

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with the Sunday Politics. It is on at 11 o'clock on Sunday

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morning. Clearly there will be a lot to update you on an report so I hope

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you can join me. Sunday Politics 11 o'clock this Sunday morning.

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