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Good afternoon, welcome to the Daily Politics.

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Terror returns to France, this time in the South.

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At least 84 people are killed after a lorry ploughs through packed

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crowds gathering for Bastille Day celebrations

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President Hollande arrives in Nice having led the condemnation

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France's nationwide state of emergency, in place

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since the terror attacks in Paris, will be extended by three months.

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Back in Britain, with her new Cabinet in place,

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Theresa May begins to focus on the challenges ahead.

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At the end of a tumultuous week, we assess the start of the May Era.

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And the former Governor of the Bank of England, Mervyn King,

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joins us to talk about the economy, Brexit and cricket!

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All that in the next hour, and with us for the duration,

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Sam Coates of the Times, and Anne McElvoy of the Economist.

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Last night, as thousands gathered to celebrate Bastille Day

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in the southern France city of Nice, a horrifying

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A man driving a lorry killed at least 84 people,

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including 10 children, as he ploughed through the crowds

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on the Promenade des Anglais, pedestrianised for the evening,

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swerving and zigzagging in an attempt to maximise the death toll.

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The lorry was finally stopped after over a mile of carnage,

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President Francois Hollande has said the attack was of "an undeniable

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Speaking in the last hour, the Prime Minister Theresa May said

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the UK stand shoulder to shoulder with France.

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I'm shocked and saddened by the horrifying attack

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Our hearts go out to the French people and to all those who have

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The full picture is still emerging and it seems

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at least 80 people are feared dead and many others injured.

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These were innocent victims enjoying a national celebration

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We are working urgently to establish whether any British nationals

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Our ambassador is travelling to Nice today with consular staff

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and they will be doing all they can to help anyone affected.

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I've asked my deputy national security advisor to chair a Cobra

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meeting of senior officials, to review what we know

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and what we can do to help and I will speak

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to President Hollande today and make sure that the United Kingdom stands

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shoulder-to-shoulder with France today, as we have done so often

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If, as we fear, this was a terrorist attack,

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then we must redouble our efforts to defeat these brutal murderers,

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We must work with France and our partners around the world

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to stand up for our values and for our freedom.

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And the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson also gave his

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Obviously our thoughts are very much with the people of France and Nice.

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I think there will be ministerial meatings later on today to discuss

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the implications for this country, if any.

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I don't at this time know of any read across or implications

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Clearly, if this is a terrorist incident -

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it represents a continuing threat to us in the whole of Europe

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We've been joined by the BBC's security

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Welcome back to the programme. Is it significant that no Islamist group

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has yet claimed responsibility? No, not at all. They didn't claim

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responsibility for the Ataturk airport attack in Istanbul. There

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have been several attacks which have gone unclaimed but there is no doubt

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in the investigators' minds and analysts who study this stuff and

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think-tanks elsewhere this is inspired by so-called Islamic State.

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There was a call to arms as it were back in September 2014 by the IS

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spokesman, who called for exactly these kind of attack, that was

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followed in December 2014 by a couple of much smaller and nothing

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like as devastating vehicle attacks in the French cities of Dijon and

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Nantes, but nothing on this scale. So, I would be very surprised if

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this isn't linked in some way to IS, even if this guy was operating on

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his own, he will probably have got inxxxx inspired in some way, he had

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a petty criminal record but no known links, we will have to see what the

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investigators say, this will be I am certain in response to the military

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pressure that IS, Isis is under in Syria and in Iraq, they are losing

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territory, they are losing recruits, commanders and this is their way of

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lashing out at soft targets. What more do we know about -- pepper

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traytor, born in Tunisia, but lived in France. What else do we know

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about him? I am not sure he had French nationality, he is Tunisian

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born, 31, unconfirmed reports have named him, but I am 23409 going to

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give the name in case they are wrong. He is of north African

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heritage, he had a police record for theft, traffic offence, violence,

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but no known links to terrorism. He was not on the watch list, 3,000

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strong. This is another sign that the French domestic intelligence

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agency needs to get on top of the problem, you can put thousands of

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troops on the street, you can raise the national terror threat level,

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you can extend the state of emergency but if it is not stopping

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attacks from people who are known to the police, that his need to do a

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better job. Given what he did, which was to

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drive a truck into a crowd in a sense, he was armed but the south of

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France as we know is awash with arms, could he have done this on his

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own? Did he need a support group or could you just have planned this...

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He rented the truck on Thursday, did he need a support group to do it?

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No, he didn't but I think, if you talk to people who study these

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things they say there is no such thing as a pure lone wolf attack, is

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a cliche, it is like an awful cliche, all the hallmarks of a

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Jihadi attack. It is unlikely to have been a completely sole

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operator, once they have his digital footprint and who he has been in

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contact with, on his phone, through encrypted apps, whatever mean,

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almost certainly it will transpire he has been in touch with somebody,

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he will have been viewing extremist propaganda material, and been

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radicalised passive sieve as it were, by what he is seeing and

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viewing, or more likely he has been in touch with people who have

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encouraged him to do this. I think, it is unlikely that he was sent by

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IS from Syria, let us see, there has been a mixture, if you look at the

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Bataclan tact in November and Brussels, there has been a mix of

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people who have been trained in Syria and others who haven't been

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necessarily left Europe to carry out these attacks. This was actually

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depressing and shocking that for such a high profile event with

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thousands of people, that the French security, which was braced in, you

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know, in the wake of these attacks and warnings, braced for something

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like this they weren't able to stop it. I want, that brings me on to the

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next question, before I ask it I want to make clear the person to

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blame for what happened is the man who drove the truck and those who

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support him, not the police. Or the security services. Absolutely. But

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to ask you this, did they make a mistake, which turned out to be

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fatal? I mean I have been to these events in the south of France. The

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Promenade des Anglais, the road is Klossed for the night. They

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pedestrian nice it, you can walk up and down, which meant it was easy

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for him once he got on to the promenade. He didn't have to go on

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the pavement. He could mow them down right down on the street, should the

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police not have had barrier, have stopped anything from getting on to

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the promenade? I would, first I totally agree with you, I think

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there is a tendency in these things to lash out at the people who are

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trying to stop this carnage, when you are right, we need to remember

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the person to blame for this is the perpetrator, and the ideology behind

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it, that is asouping as this does appear to be a politically or

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terrorism motivated attack, but I think coming on to your point, --

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assuming. It's a failure of imagination I would call it, and

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this is, I think, a generic failure of many intelligence agencies, I

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think it applies to MI5 our own security service, ten years ago

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where they didn't have the imagination to understand that some

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of the people who were seeking shelter in London and using the

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London as a platform to attack countries in the Middle East, that

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these people were quite dangerous, they have learned a lot since then,

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and that is one of the reasons why so far we haven't had a successful

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attack because they have got a lot better and trying to predict these

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things and think outside the box. To me this was a fail you to plan event

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if -- effectively. To think what if, people need to read team it, put

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your mind in the mind of a terse Ritz, if you want to attack

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something, think of a way to do it. Your can't foresee everything, but

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they should have been able to foresee this, what happens if

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somebody gets a big vehicle and gets through that? It is carnage, that is

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what happened, they should have predict it. One final question,

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Charlie Hebdo, November in Paris and now this, one weeps for France,

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don't you. You do, France is the number one target of opportunity for

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Jihadist, let us try and keep an hope mind, this looked like a Jihadi

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attack but so did Anders Breivik and motives for what he had to say,

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no-one has claimed responsibility for this yet but it looks like it.

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Either way France is right up there at the top of the target list for

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Islamic State, because it has pushed back Al-Qaeda. It is taking part in

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air strikes in Syria and Iraq, and it has the burqa ban, it has been

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particularly right up there, forward leaning, in confronting Islamist

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extremism. It has made itself a target. Britain is a target too, so

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is Belgium, France, Germany. In France there is the perfect storm of

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a few discontented individuals who have been drawn to jiesm. You have

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the banlieue where people no stake in their country, you have got

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relatively open border, easy access to automatic weapons, the list goes

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on. I know you have a busy day I am grateful you had time to join us.

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We think there are ten children dead at least and the fact this was so

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clearly an attack and that summary brought this home. It is an attack

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on a family day, an attack on targeted on people doing the most

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relaxed and enjoyable things. A family night out. I don't mean to

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say an attack on anything else is any less thankic, think the worst

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thing in your imagination a terrorist, if so it is, could do,

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and this really would be very high on the list, precisely because as

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you say the size of the coffin, the range of the victims. He knew there

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would be families. Huge Muslim population in Nice too, there would

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be plenty of Muslim families walking along the promenade. He knew the

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promenade, he in normal times you can't do it, it is bumper-to-bumper

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traffic he knew last night, because it was closed, he would be able to

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do what he wanted to do. And the manner of the attack subjects every

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aspect of the planning of it was designed to heighten the impact, and

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that would include going after family, and children, that would

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include picking an extremely high profile day in the French calendar

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and a place where the celebrations are, particularly prominent and

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well-known, so there is no doubt about that. I mean, I think we are

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entering an interesting debate, Frank Gardner was saying, they

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should have predicted this, those were his words, it seems hard to see

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for security services in Britain, in France, to gain absolutely every

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incident like this, as we look back and look for someone to maybe

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apportion blame to, there are a lot of people in France, the single

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biggest supplier of terrorists to Islamic State, according to some

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analysis, and there is clearly a problem across the country with

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disaffected people, going to Islamic State to fight in that Jihadi

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conflict there. It will be incredibly hard for the French

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security service that are suffering, that have suffered their third

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massive, terrible tragic terrorist attack, to keep tabs on everything

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that confronts them. We are learning that the British police in the UK

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are reviewing security round every major event over the next seven

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New Prime Minister Theresa May completed the task of appointing

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Despite having been billed as the continuity candidate,

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Mrs May made some far-reaching changes, bringing new faces

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into the Government, ousting many of David Cameron's

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closest allies, and even re-organising Whitehall departments.

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After the four great offices of state had been given

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to Boris Johnson, Philip Hammond, Michael Fallon and Amber Rudd,

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the Prime Minister announced two new positions for prominent

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Brexit campaigners - David Davis becoming the Minister

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in charge of Exiting the EU, and Liam Fox taking on the role

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of Secretary of State for International Trade.

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The changes were more radical than many had anticipated,

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Mrs May has created a new department for Business, Energy

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and Industrial Strategy, led by Greg Clark, which merges

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And responsibility for higher education has been given

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to new Education Secretary, Justine Greening.

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Just four cabinet positions have stayed in the same hands -

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Michael Fallon at defence, Jeremy Hunt at ealth,

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Michael Fallon at defence, Jeremy Hunt at health,

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Welsh Secretary Alun Cairns and Scottish Secretary David

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Theresa May removed many high profile figures

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from the previous government, sacking George Osborne,

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Michael Gove, Nicky Morgan and Stephen Crabb.

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She also cleared out David Cameron's advisers from Downing Street,

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replacing them with her trusted aides Fiona Hill and Nick Timothy,

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She has included seven Leave campaigners in her cabinet,

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Theresa May had been expected to appoint more women to cabinet,

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but in the end the number increased by just 1 to 8.

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So, how will the new Secretaries of State be feeling today?

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And what will be at the top of the agenda on their

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Giles has been talking to some of their predecessors.

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Er We are told that there are more people that went to state school in

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this Government, since Attlee in 1945. So how will the new Secretary

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of State be feeling today and what will be at the top of the agenda in

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the first few days in the job? Our Giles has been talking to some of

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their predecessors. Imagine yourself, nervous, delighted

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to have to have been appointed, possibly itching to get

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on with the job you've always wanted or daunted by one

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you didn't expect to get. Every Secretary of State is human,

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so what's it really It is a voyage of discovery and so,

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you know, you do some things at the start that you probably

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wouldn't do at the end and you definitely do some things

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at the end that you definitely I went into the Foreign Office

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on the first day with a speech, fully prepared, to give the staff,

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within minutes, literally within, I think, ten

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minutes or so of arriving. A predecessor of mine described

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to me that there was a blue sky out of which dark clouds and thunder

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and lightning came. I don't even remember,

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metaphorically speaking, the blue skies, because the grey

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was there from Day 1. Well, the priority for me

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was to prove to people There was scepticism about that

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and I said to officials - look, I want you to argue with me

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but, also, once I've made a decision, I want

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you to get on with it. How Day 1 in a department goes,

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depends on how you got the job. In 2010, William Hague entered

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the Foreign Office, having already met in Opposition

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the Permanent Secretary, to discuss what he

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might do on Day 1. We ended up having a dinner,

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inside the headquarters Now in what other country

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in the world does an Opposition figure plan the next

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Government with the officials, inside the headquarters

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of the intelligence agency? But, being appointed,

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after a general election, When I turned up, I think I'd

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probably not got my head into that mode, as much as I would have done,

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had I been pretty certain I was going to hold my seat and,

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therefore, I think those first few days, looking back,

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were wasted days for me. It took me the weekend

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to actually think - well, I have got the job,

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now what do I want to do? Ed Balls knew there was a chance

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Gordon Brown would give him a job but as Day 1 started,

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he clearly wasn't sure. I was doing an interview

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at 7.30am, live on BBC Leeds. As I was doing the interview my

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mobile phone rang and they could hear it down the line,

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the interviewers, I looked I said, "I can't answer this live

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on the radio." Then it rang off and the presenters

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from BBC Leeds said, "Oh my gosh, you've

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missed your chance." And there was a little bit of me

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which was slightly worried Sadly, once you are in office,

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there's no guarantee For the first few days,

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indeed the first couple of weeks, I was sitting at a desk

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with some partitions, I then graduated to a meeting

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room and eventually So, you know, it was

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like a rickety start-up. And, of course, for those who do

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have be a office on Day 1, you never know what you're

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going to find in it. And as part of the process

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of finding out what happens in a department, we came

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across a slide show that said - It was when I was doing

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the job in Opposition. I have to say, it probably

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was the least successful bit of lobbying the department

:21:25.:21:30.

has ever done. From Day 2 and onwards,

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you learn how to do the job better. It turned out to be much more useful

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to set up a crisis centre that could cope with any crisis,

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the ones that you haven't predicted, than to try to predict what crisis

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was going to happen next. I learnt that after,

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you know, ten months or so. As a flock of new ministers

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are taking up their roles, don't imagine their Day 1

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as a Secretary of State puts them in any less of a flap than Day 1

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in any job does to any of us. Our Gilles there. He has done a

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series of mini documentaries on the great offices of the Secretary of

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State. If any of the new incumbents are watching, I'm sure we could find

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a box set and you can hit the ground running. Sam, it took Margaret

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Thatcher four or five years to get the Cabinet she wanted. Are you

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surprised that Mrs May has done it in 24 hours? Not hugely. She seems

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to have shown a certain amount of pre-planning in everything she has

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done in the early hours of her Premiership. I find her style

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absolutely fascinating. And very different from David Cameron. This

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reshuffle shows her incredible self-confidence. It was definitely

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ballsy, definitely, possibly even foolhardy when we see how it plays

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out. What she has done, whereas David Cameron put people he was very

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close to in senior jobs, particularly George Osborne, people

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he was never going to disagree with, in public or in private, what May

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hae has done is lined up a load has lined up big beasts who all have

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completely different views on the biggest job this Government has to

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do. So you have the challenge of Brexit coming down the track, which

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will be the single biggest thing this Government has to do and she

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has brought in David Davis to run the Brexit department, Boris Johnson

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to run the Foreign Office, and Philip Hammond to run are the

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Treasury and you couldn't get more divergent views about how to deal

:23:44.:23:48.

with Brexit from David Hammond and David Davis. One threatened a WTO

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tariff system and Philip Hammond wants to remain as close as we can.

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What that means, there is only one place in in the Government, Theresa

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May, she has to synthesize and unite a divergent top team. Now, if she

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turns out to be an absolutely brilliant man and woman manager,

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that's great. If she isn't, God help Britain. Well, you may not be

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surprised. I am I'm surprised by the scale of it, and I'm surprised it

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snted just about men and women, it is about quite a substantial change

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in the structure of Whitehall that has taken place, in departments as

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well. Which can only men she's been think being this for a long time?

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Oh, yes. It struck me, Andrew, you have been sitting there in

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interviews, and I'm sure this has never happened to you and you have

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occasionally thought, I'm sure it doesn't happen to you, I could clear

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out everybody. She had that work place fantasy and has put it into

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practice. It wasn't something that has done every night. And

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particularly the boring nitty gritty meets, that departmental change

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including education. So she has a view certain things don't work well

:25:05.:25:07.

in the Government. She didn't think it was worth bothering to talk to

:25:08.:25:10.

David Cameron and George Osborne about, that she didn't think it with

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get very far. She had a famously testy relationship with George

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Osborne. She had it down on a piece of paper. It makes me think she was

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the only person who thought she was definitely going to become the Prime

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Minister. It is a no mercy change. Sam talks about the balance. : It is

:25:32.:25:38.

a breaksity-heavy Cabinet and we saw people like Andrea Leadsom, only a

:25:39.:25:44.

week ago, a competitor, fell foul of Theresa May and with everybody with

:25:45.:25:52.

her daft remarks but is thought, DEFRA isn't right for her, there is

:25:53.:25:56.

an element of revenge. It does have a Brexit feel to t because she has

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put the three Brexiteers, Boris, Johnson, Liam Fox, David Davis into

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the key posts for Brexit. Of course, given they are not exactly best

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friends, the three amigos, so we shall see what happens there, but

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the bigger challenge is not people, the bigger challenge is she made

:26:15.:26:22.

enormous almost Ed Miliband-esque speech before she walked into

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Downing Street earlier this week. That's fine. Largely rhetoric. How

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you turn that into policy is a much bigger chal in. Absolutely. She --

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challenge. She has been think being this for years, if you go back to a

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speech she made in 2013. It was nigh on identical to the speech she gave

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on the steps of number ten and an article she wrote in the Times on

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Monday. That's the length of time she has been planning this but you

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are right, actually for me, the biggest challenge for Theresa May is

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not the things you mentioned, it is the fact she has a majority of 12.

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Now a majority of 12, at a time when her in-tray is more complicated and

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fraught than at any time in my lifetime. And also an op Opposition

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in chaos, which makes the majority of 12 bigger in practice. She has

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picked on one faction, the modernised and taken them out and

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had them shot. They will be on the bdgess, possibly grumbling and being

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unhelpful. You have the people supporting Andrea Leadsom. The Lead

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bangers. What are you calling them? I believe they were called the Led

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Bangers. A tribute band. They could cause problems as well. So

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parliamentary votes are going to be tough at a time when we have

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difficult issues coming down the track. All right, thank you for

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that. Well speaking of Labour, while the attention has been on our new

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Prime Minister and deet, the turmoil inside the Labour Party continues.

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One of the two Labour figures planning to challenge

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Jeremy Corbyn for the leadership, Owen Smith, was due to formally

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He cancelled that event because of the attack in Nice,

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Owe web Smith, welcome. Let me begin -- Owen Smith, welcome, let me begin

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with Nice. I know you will want to say something but as you do, if the

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terrorists are now moving beyond the capital city, Nice is a major

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regional city, a long way from the capital. We have major cities a long

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way from the capital, are you satisfied that we have the scale and

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speed of an articled response in this country, if we face similar

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terrorist attacks? Well, first of all Andrew, can you just say on

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approximate - behalf of the Labour movement if you like how awful the

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attack in Nice was. I woke this morning to seat full detail of it

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and it is horrible for any of us - if anybody who has a family or any

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sense of how dreadful these events must be for the people involved, it

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is just heartbreaking to see it happening again and that's why I

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cancelled my launch today and I won't be campaigning, as it were

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today. Look, I worked in the Northern Ireland Office, as an

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advisor and I saw how brilliant our Security Services are and our police

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forces in Britain at dealing with terrorism. Wref'

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forces in Britain at dealing with terrorism. long history of having to

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deal with terrorism and we are adept at doing it. We know there have been

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many attempts of dealing with terrorism on the streets of Britain

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and it has been foiled in recent years by our Security Services, the

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army and the police and I'm eternally grateful to those people

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for standing guard over us. But we also know that the Security Services

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would tell us that when individuals, such as the man who has done this in

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Nice, are determined to take life, and prepare to swap their own, it is

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incredibly hard to prevent them. Whether that's in London or anywhere

:29:53.:29:57.

else. We know that when people are determined, it's very difficult to

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stop them being able to take other people's lives, if they can

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sacrifice their own. I hope that we will stand safe and secure forever,

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but, we know that that is not something any of us can guarantee.

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Thank you for that. Let's come on to your leadership bid. You have said

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the Labour Party needs new leadership but surely the person who

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has shown leadership in this has been Angela Eagle. She's the one

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that challenge plod Corbyn and you are leading from behind? - Mr

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Corbyn. Well, Angela triggered the contest and I think many people in

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the Labour Party feel Angela is owed a debt of gratitude for doing that.

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I think it is now a case of those of us who also think we have got

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something to say, who also think we have a challenge to make for the top

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job in the Labour Party, to come out and say so and be brave enough...

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But you waited for others to move before doing it yourself. Why did

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you do that? You kept your head down, below the parapet and then

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Angela Eagle puts her head above and then you join in. Why? If you want

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the honest answer, Andrew, what happened was I resigned on the

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Monday, I went to Wales on the Monday evening, and my wife rang me

:31:09.:31:12.

to tell me my brother had been taken seriously ill. I went to an A

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department with him on that Monday evening and I was with him on 29

:31:18.:31:21.

hours. I came out on the Wednesday to be met with a barrage of phone

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calls, hundreds of phone calls from members and colleagues in the Labour

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Party, urging me to consider putting my hat into the ring, I thought hard

:31:29.:31:33.

about it, over the following days, I met again with Jeremy on that

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Thursday and again on the Monday and on both occasions, asking him to

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consider what compromise he could reach in order to stop what I think

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will be a divisive leadership contest because I think we

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desperately need to heal and unite the Labour Party. In the end I

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felted there was no compromise that could be reached and therefore a

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challenge to Jeremy was the only thing that might bring about unity

:31:55.:31:58.

in the Labour Party, which is so vital because we have a Tory

:31:59.:32:03.

Government, the Labour Party needs to be set to oppose it and more

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importantly be a radical and credible Government-in-waiting.

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On what policy areas do you disagree with Angela Eagle. Angela hasn't

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laid out a policy platform. I have started laying out pine, I have said

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clearly up front I think Brexit is potentially going to be enormously

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bad for the economy, we need to say to the current Government we need a

:32:36.:32:38.

seat at the table but more importantly we trusted the people to

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make a decision last time round, we now need to see how this deal

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unfolds. If it is not as good as people were hoping for we should

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trust the people to make the decision. That isn't what I asked

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you, are you telling me as far as you're aware, there are no policy

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differences between you and Angela Eagle? I am not saying that a all. I

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am saying one policy difference is I have said there should be a second

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referendum to give people a chance... They may agree with that,

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he is a strong pro-EU politician. I am not here to say that. Other than

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Trident, who policy areas do you disagree Mr Corbyn? Let me go back

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to Angela or Jeremy. Inequality is a massive problem for our country.

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Miss Eagle and MrCorbyn are saying that too. Mrs May says that, where

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are the differences? I propose we should do something about that and

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change the constitution of the Labour Party, change clause four in

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order to reflect our desire to reduce inequalities of power and

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wealth and opportunity. Hold on, your answer to inequality is to

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change the Labour Party constitution, that is a policy

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difference? That is the first one. The second thing we should do is put

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our money where our mouth is on austerity, anti-austerity is the

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right policy for the Labour Party. You all agree with that? We need to

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go beyond slogan, I would propose that we institute an enormous

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building programme in Britain. I would propose there is a British new

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deal, if you like, ?200 billion investment programme for social and

:34:21.:34:25.

physical infrastructure in Britain, we have allowed our social and

:34:26.:34:28.

physical infrastructure to languish for far too long, we have allowed

:34:29.:34:32.

decay, there are potholes in the streets of Britain but also problems

:34:33.:34:36.

with schools, with the social care, lack of vocational education,

:34:37.:34:40.

housing is a disaster, the only way we will address that is if we have

:34:41.:34:44.

an active interventionist Government. Perhaps where I differ

:34:45.:34:50.

with both, and Jeremy, is that I feel that both New Labour and Jeremy

:34:51.:34:54.

have been too timid. New Labour wasn't bold enough, despite many of

:34:55.:34:58.

the great things it did. Let us not go back to New Labour. We haven't

:34:59.:35:03.

got much time. Let us look forward a bit here, Labour has already lost

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Scotland. You don't look like getting that back any time soon.

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Explain to the viewers how a second referendum on the deal that will be

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done, how will that help you among Labour voters in the north, a lot of

:35:17.:35:23.

whom voted to leave? I lot voted to leave in Wales, lots of the people I

:35:24.:35:28.

grew up with in my constituency feel they were sold a pup. What is the

:35:29.:35:32.

evidence for that? The evidence is anecdotally talking to people on the

:35:33.:35:36.

streets across this country and some polling evidence. What is the

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polling evidence? The evidence of the lie is clearly. What is the

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actual, as oppose to people you talktor, what is the evidence there

:35:47.:35:52.

is now a huge buyers' remorse? I didn't say that, I said I think

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there is out there a sense that some of the things that were promised, an

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extra ?350 billion a week for the NHS. I think it was promised. It was

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not promise for this week, they don't get the money until we leave.

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We are still paying, if I am just asking, because you have said this

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many times as if people are is suddenly changed their mind, they

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think we voted the wrong way, it's a big claim. You need to give us the

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evidence to substantiate it I have said it a couple of time, my view is

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we trusted the British people to make the decision I think lots of

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people now feel that the terms of that decision, what they thought

:36:32.:36:35.

they were buying, more money for the NHS, controls on immigration aren't

:36:36.:36:39.

going to be realised, certainly not in the way the simplistic terms they

:36:40.:36:43.

were promised. I think it is reasonable for a Labour Government

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that does believe that we should be in Europe, and at the heart of

:36:47.:36:49.

Europe to say to people we trusted you to take the decision now we

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trust you to look at what is negotiated over the next two years,

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18 months, and determine whether that is what you want. The analogy I

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would use, you wouldn't buy a car without having a look under the

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engine and checking it worked. Well, that is what we have been asked to

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do with Brexit. Now we have an opportunity to test-drive the car,

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if you like, over the next 18 month period and check whether we want to

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buy it. I suspect many of your voters will think you are trying to

:37:19.:37:22.

redo the referendum and get a different result, that will play

:37:23.:37:25.

into Ukip. We will see on that, but let me ask you this, if you want to

:37:26.:37:31.

see off Mr Corbyn, don't you and Miss Eagle have to make up your

:37:32.:37:35.

minds which one is going to do it. Surely there should be only one

:37:36.:37:38.

candidate in this race, who is it going to be? I agree, I think there

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is a widespread view there should only be one challenger. I How will

:37:46.:37:50.

you get there? I am not sure it is not for me to determine as to how we

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get there, I am prepared to submit to whatever mechanism, whether it is

:37:57.:38:01.

the deputy leader of the party or the parliamentary leadership of the

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party or the PLP itself, we need to find a mechanism to get to there. I

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will stand by whatever that decision is. Thank you for joining us.

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Let's get the latest from Nice now and talk

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to our correspondent there, Andrew Plant.

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Andrew, good afternoon to you there, in Nice, the city must be in a

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terrible state at the moment, as must all of France, what is the

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latest that you can tell us? There is a lot going on here in Nice right

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now, every few minutes we are aware of a new police siren go past, we

:38:43.:38:46.

have heard more information in the last half hour, you might be able to

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see the top of the truck. Yes, we can see it. You can probably just

:38:51.:38:54.

see the top of the truck. That is the one you have seen pictures with

:38:55.:38:58.

the bullet holes in the window, that was driven down here last night. We

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know in the cab they found personal items, they found bank cards,

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wallet. They have raided a house somewhere here, we don't know where

:39:10.:39:14.

and what they have recovered. French media are naming a man, they say he

:39:15.:39:22.

is a 31-year-old local man, possibly of Tunisian heritage, his name is

:39:23.:39:25.

Mohammed, so that is the latest information from here, that is what

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has been said on French media but we haven't had any formal confirmation

:39:30.:39:35.

from the police. What word now, we understand on the latest figures

:39:36.:39:40.

there were, 84 fatalities, including ten children, but there are still

:39:41.:39:44.

about 100 people in hospital and some of them are in intensive care

:39:45.:39:49.

and on the critical list, do we know more about that? Yes, mine that is

:39:50.:39:54.

what people are having to come to terms with, here today. I can't

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swing my camera round because of the amount of media that are here, if I

:39:58.:40:01.

could I would be able to show you a lot of people standing at the end of

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the road here, next to a barrier, there are lots of barricades, you

:40:06.:40:11.

can't move freely for obvious reasons, there is a shrine beginning

:40:12.:40:15.

to develop. Lots of flowers being laid. People standing there. You

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have to be careful where you point your camera, they are having to come

:40:22.:40:27.

to terms with what happened on their street, their town, their firework

:40:28.:40:31.

display when they should have been having a good time, instead these

:40:32.:40:35.

terrible events happened. The death toll stands at 84 but there are some

:40:36.:40:39.

severely injured people and it wouldn't be a surprise if that went

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up, Andrew. Thank you for that, live from Nice, the city, the region, the

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country, of course in a state of shock, and will continue that way

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through the weekend and into next week, it will be a harrowing tile

:40:55.:40:58.

when the funerals begin of those killed in that a tack.

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We've been joined by Maajid Nawaz from the Quilliam Foundation,

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Is there any reason we can divine as to why France is bearing the brunt

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of these attacks in Europe? There is. Two years ago an IS spokesman,

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it hasn't been claimed by IS but the signs are there. A spokesperson

:41:28.:41:32.

instructed their followers to engage in precisely this type of attack,

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using cars to mow people down on the streets. In that instruction, he

:41:37.:41:42.

specified and high lighted France in particular, for such an attack, so

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we have to think why do they have a particular grudge? One is

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pragmatism, a lot of recruits come from France, France, unlike Britain

:41:53.:41:55.

is on continental Europe it is easier to attack in France than in

:41:56.:41:59.

Britain, though we are overdue an attack here as well. The other is,

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they Maziar Bahari a grudge against France for things such as the stance

:42:05.:42:10.

on the Charlie Hebdo cartoons and free speech, which is a laudable

:42:11.:42:17.

stance and the ban of face Israels. They have taken such a ban

:42:18.:42:20.

personally and they wish to attack France as a symbol of western

:42:21.:42:27.

enlightenment and freedoms. Are we right to be puzzled, but grateful,

:42:28.:42:32.

that we haven't had so far, a similar attack in this country? In

:42:33.:42:36.

recent years? Yes, I think part of the reason is the fact there is the

:42:37.:42:40.

English Channel in the middle and we have controlled our own border, it

:42:41.:42:45.

makes it harder to get here but to acquire guns for those here already,

:42:46.:42:50.

I must say, Andrew, I think that we are long overdue an attack, I want

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the nation to be prepared for the tragic day something like that

:42:54.:42:58.

happens here soon. I am frankly surprised it hasn't happened yet. I

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mean, we take. Co-fort, it is certainly harder to get automatic

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weapons in this country than in France, in France it is maybe not as

:43:09.:43:12.

easy as America but there are a lot of weapons in France f you want

:43:13.:43:16.

them, this guy was a criminal, you can get a hold of them. But this was

:43:17.:43:20.

not a terrorist attack, it did involve a weapon but it didn't seem

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to be the most important thing, I mean, anybody can rent a truck one

:43:25.:43:29.

day, and find a way of driving it into a huge crowd the next day.

:43:30.:43:36.

Hamas has been doing this for years, they realised it was difficult to

:43:37.:43:41.

penetrate security barriers so they decided to change tactic and find

:43:42.:43:45.

every day weapons like cars to turn them into weapons and mow people

:43:46.:43:49.

down at bus stops which they have been doing. Global Jihadis in 2010

:43:50.:43:56.

instructed their followers to adopt a strategy. IS adopted a similar

:43:57.:44:01.

strategy. I wouldn't be surprised to see in the UK, a city not in the

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capital, a soft target, such as a celebration on the streets and

:44:08.:44:13.

festival, or a national holiday, and a car or other such similar daily

:44:14.:44:17.

tools being used. Something unexceptional. Absolutely. It can

:44:18.:44:22.

have a similar effect on the psyche of the nation. A lot of people were

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saying to me on social media our intelligence services are so

:44:29.:44:31.

wonderful that is why we have not been attacked. It is true they have

:44:32.:44:38.

thwarted a number of attacks but it is true the French police thwarted

:44:39.:44:44.

attacks as recently as the European football competition. When I speak

:44:45.:44:48.

to the services they are the first people to say we can't stop

:44:49.:44:52.

everything. It is kind of, it is wrong and unfair to expect our

:44:53.:44:55.

intelligence services to get everything. Of course they are not

:44:56.:45:00.

going to stop everything. What I would encourage the authorities to

:45:01.:45:05.

do is prepare for the response when an attack happens, that mustn't only

:45:06.:45:09.

be a legal and CT response. Counter-terrorism. Yes, what we need

:45:10.:45:15.

in place is a response within communities, now it is clear we must

:45:16.:45:20.

not letterrieses divide it. Something, we have to acknowledge is

:45:21.:45:25.

yes, terrorists mustn't divide communities but we need a strategy

:45:26.:45:30.

to engage in this struggle. That will be an uncomfortable

:45:31.:45:34.

conversation, Muslims and non-Muslims need to stand together

:45:35.:45:38.

to challenge the ideology that underpins this terrorism. It won't

:45:39.:45:43.

be easy. It wasn't when people started challenging racism and

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homophobia, but the battles were one, this is a similar struggle. The

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new Prime Minister and new Government, given all the changes,

:45:51.:45:54.

given what has happened in France, given the enduring and ongoing

:45:55.:45:57.

danger still in this country, they will have to give more thought to

:45:58.:46:02.

this, they will have to do more than has been done so far and think of

:46:03.:46:07.

new ways. Absolutely. Theresa May has had a sterling record at the

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Home Office, with what she hasn't had to deal with is the community

:46:12.:46:19.

cohesion brief. Prime Minister Cameron, during his tenure, adopted

:46:20.:46:27.

a full spectrum approach. Her views have evolved to accepting the need

:46:28.:46:31.

for a full spectrum whole of society approach. It remains to be seen how

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committed she is. I am sure it has moved up her agenda.

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He ran the Bank of England for ten years, steering the British economy

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alongside the occupants of Number 11 Downing Street - first Gordon Brown,

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then Alistair Darling, and finally, George Osborne.

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Now Mervyn King is keen to encourage state schools to get their school

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Like these children, I too learnt to play cricket

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Mine was in Yorkshire, in the primary school in Old Town

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Today we're in London but the spirit is the same, playing in a team

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He ran the Bank of England for ten years, steering the British economy

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That's pretty good preparation for the world of work.

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But good schools know that opportunities like this are a part

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But over the years it's become more and more difficult for state schools

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to provide opportunities to children, to take part in

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extra-curricular activities, whether it is sport,

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or music or drama, or a host of other activities in

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That's why a decade ago the charity Chance to Shine was started.

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It set out to regenerate cricket in state schools.

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Because, to learn how to win and how to lose,

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that teams comprise people with different skills and abilities,

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and that respect for the opposition, is an essential part of competition,

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really altogether mean the spirit of cricket,

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There is more to education than simply the National Curriculum.

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And more than any other sport, cricket crosses social,

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There is more to education than simply the National Curriculum.

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And more than any other sport, cricket crosses social,

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Chance to Shine has now reached over 11,000 state schools and more

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than 3 million children have been given the chance to learn cricket

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It has helped to build confidence, motivation, and the aspirations

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My dream job would be to be captain of Worcestershire and England.

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I had to be Governor of the Bank of England instead.

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I think I would rather have captained Worcestershire.

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Well, certainly cricket seems to have ensured

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children for their lunch today but more significantly,

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we hope that cricket will enthuse their appetite for many

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other interests and subjects and to raise their aspirations by giving

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Chance to Shine is not aiming to produce the next England

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star but to use cricket to broaden educational experience.

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So, ask not what these children could do for cricket,

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but what cricket can do for our children.

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Welcome to the programme. There is a systemic problem for cricket for

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schools, isn't there? It is the time it takes, if you are teachers giving

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up a Saturday or an evening, you do rugby, football, hockey, whatever,

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it doesn't take so long but cricket can last all day. It is demanding? .

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It doesn't have to be now. I mean with T 20 in the professional game

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and of course in the schools actually playing the game you can

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play it for any length of time you like. We provide all the resources

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to schools. The aim of this is to add a new dimension to the life of a

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school,ies headteachers love it. They do? Absolutely? Are you going

:50:25.:50:32.

to win this battle. I was looking at the ECB, by that I don't mean the

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European Central Bank. Something much more important. The English

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Cricket Board. They carried out a major survey, 60,000 Europeans

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playing the sport at the grassroots level than the previous year. Can

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you reverse that? We can, but the main thing is to get it going in

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schools. That's what we want to do. Because of the educational benefit

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of playing a team sport. You can see in some of the film but we have seen

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it in many schools around the country, that we find children from

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different ethnic and gender backgrounds all play together. They

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don't notice the differents. They are all part of the same team. I

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think that's a wonderful preparation for the world of work. Cricket is an

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interesting sport. You can be both highly individual but you are part

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of a team. At tennis you are an individual. Football is a kind of

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team, although there are famous individuals in that but cricket,

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combines the individuality and a collective objective? Exactly and

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this is' why it is the perfect preparation for the world of work

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later on. - and that's Y Where individual performances matters but

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so does the team. Did cricket help you when you were governor. Bank of

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England? It helped me if I was at school. I don't think I would have

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taken my academic focus as seriously as I did, had I not had the chance

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to play cricket and do other things like drama and chess. All of the

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things which a good school provads and which many states schools have

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not been able to provide. We make sure we can take cricket to a school

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t doesn't cost them anything, either in time or money and we add to the

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dimensions. You can provide it - when we played football, two jackets

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down, and a ball. We can provide everything and the coaches. That's

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the main thing. Do we have the grounds? No, but many schools or

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clubs make available their grounds and at primary school level, there

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are markings in play grounds. You can use it there. That film was

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filmed in Waterloo in central London in a playground within the school.

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Of course, lots of second, third generation kids, immigrant families

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now, they come from cricketing countries, don't they? That must be

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a plus It is a big plus and thatp integration is a key part of the

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programme. You soo he it right around the country where people

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forget whatever ethnic backgrounds they have and they are all playing

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on the same team. And, part of the danger has been, with the decline,

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it has become a state school/private school business, cricket has become

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more dominated by private schools as some of the state schools have moved

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away. And that's what you are out to reverse? Yes, only 7% of children go

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to private schools but they account for far more of the professional

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game. What we want to do, rather like Theresa May with her Cabinet

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and also the tragic events in Nice, what this brings home, is the

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importance to put, to make a success of o you are state schools and to do

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it in a way that breaks down the ethnic divides. Since I have got you

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here. You were governor when we cut rates to 0.5%. Seven years ago, I

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think now. Yes. I bet you, when you did that, you never thought that

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seven years later t would still be 0.5% Absolutely rightful and indeed

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every minister and Central Bank governor in the G7, who met in

:53:50.:53:53.

Washington in 2008, after the collapse of Lehman Brothers, at the

:53:54.:53:55.

height of the crisis, no-one imagined that eight years on, we

:53:56.:54:00.

would be where we are today. And this - explain something to me - on

:54:01.:54:07.

Wednesday, I think afternoon, Roycers gives us Reuters gives us a

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poll of the economists, largely based on the city but beyond that,

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in which 80% of them are pretty sure the governor is going to cut rates

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on Thursday morning and, of course the governor doesn't cut rates. I

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mean do they say that on a wing or a prayer, or does the bank give out

:54:26.:54:29.

signals that that's maybe what it is going to do? Well, we never gave out

:54:30.:54:33.

signals. I think the lesson is this - don't bother to look at opinion

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polls of economists. There is no need to. All you need to do now, we

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have a very good system a Monetary Policy Committee of nine members.

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Just wait. Once a month they will reveal their decision. And voted 8-1

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not to do it. So the economists couldn't be more wrong. Of course

:54:49.:54:52.

they may do it in August there. Have been indications they may well do

:54:53.:54:57.

it. Is it fair to say, putting all the project fear away, is that given

:54:58.:55:05.

that the economy was already slowing down earlier this year and seems to

:55:06.:55:09.

have done since April onwards, that in this quarter and the next quarter

:55:10.:55:12.

we are likely to go through, maybe not a recession but certainly a

:55:13.:55:15.

slowdown? I think we certainly should expect some sort of slowdown.

:55:16.:55:19.

Clearly there is uncertainty now with the new situation, leaving the

:55:20.:55:23.

European Union. That would mean that some investment projects will be put

:55:24.:55:27.

on hold but we simply don't know how serious it will be and we don't have

:55:28.:55:31.

any data to suggest that. So there has been a slight degree of hysteria

:55:32.:55:34.

in the reaction in the last three weeks, obviously primarily among the

:55:35.:55:37.

political class which has been tearing itself... And some of the

:55:38.:55:41.

media, too Media and the political class tearing themselves to pieces

:55:42.:55:45.

and wildly exaggerating things and I hope now we will able to calm down

:55:46.:55:50.

and get back to a proper programme of work to make this departure from

:55:51.:55:53.

the European Union a workable success, which we can certainly do.

:55:54.:55:57.

If they all went and either watched or played a good game of cricket I'm

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sure they would have a better judgment. They certainly would.

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Thank you very much. On Monday morning David Cameron

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was still Prime Minister and the nation was looking forward

:56:08.:56:09.

to a long summer contest between Theresa May

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and Andrea Leadsom over At the end of another tumultuous

:56:12.:56:13.

week in politics we thought we'd look back at the events of the last

:56:14.:56:19.

five days. I have concluded that the interests

:56:20.:56:33.

of our country are best-served by the immediate appointment of a

:56:34.:56:36.

strong and well-supported Prime Minister.

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THE SPEAKER: Questions to the Prime Minister.

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Mr Speak e this morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues

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and others. Other than one meeting this afternoon with Her Majesty The

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Queen, the diary for the rest of my day is remarkably light.

:57:05.:57:28.

I have just been to Buckingham Palace where Her Majesty The Queen

:57:29.:57:34.

has asked me to form a new Government and I accepted.

:57:35.:57:51.

It is inevitable that there is going to be a certain amount of plaster

:57:52.:57:57.

coming off the ceiling in the chanceries of Europe. It wasn't the

:57:58.:57:58.

result that they were expecting. CLAPS AND BOOS

:57:59.:58:38.

There we go, another, another historic week in British politics. A

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minute left. 30 seconds to each of you for your thoughts on where we go

:58:43.:58:46.

from here? Where we go from here is that Theresa May, after all those

:58:47.:58:50.

snrours been delivered and everyone sent their congratulations, she

:58:51.:58:52.

really has it settle down. There has to be a really strong centre to this

:58:53.:58:58.

Government. She has quite a separated team as we reflected

:58:59.:59:01.

earlier but at the same time, she has a big job, one job by which she

:59:02.:59:07.

will be judged, how does Brexit go. Brexit was exit for David Cameron.

:59:08.:59:11.

For her, her chance, she has the team and reorganisation and now she

:59:12.:59:14.

has the big chance. I just don't know how we get it a year from here?

:59:15.:59:19.

I can't see quite what we are going to do on Brexit? I can't see how you

:59:20.:59:23.

square demands to stay close to the single market with what the public

:59:24.:59:28.

think they voted for in a referendum on immigration and I think that will

:59:29.:59:31.

be the defining question question of her Government and if she solved

:59:32.:59:35.

that everything else unfolds well for her after that but it will be

:59:36.:59:39.

very hard. Perfect timing, we must have the two of you back. Thank you

:59:40.:59:44.

very much. Thank you to all of my guests.

:59:45.:59:45.

The One O'Clock News is starting over on BBC One now.

:59:46.:59:50.

I'll be back on Sunday with the Sunday Politics,

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