15/07/2016 Daily Politics


15/07/2016

Andrew Neil is joined by Anne McElvoy of The Economist and Sam Coates of The Times for the latest from Westminster including political reaction to the terrorist attack in Nice.


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Good afternoon, welcome to the Daily Politics.

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Terror returns to France, this time in the South.

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At least 84 people are killed after a lorry ploughs through packed

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crowds gathering for Bastille Day celebrations

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President Hollande arrives in Nice having led the condemnation

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France's nationwide state of emergency, in place

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since the terror attacks in Paris, will be extended by three months.

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Back in Britain, with her new Cabinet in place,

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Theresa May begins to focus on the challenges ahead.

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At the end of a tumultuous week, we assess the start of the May Era.

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And the former Governor of the Bank of England, Mervyn King,

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joins us to talk about the economy, Brexit and cricket!

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All that in the next hour, and with us for the duration,

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Sam Coates of the Times, and Anne McElvoy of the Economist.

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Last night, as thousands gathered to celebrate Bastille Day

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in the southern France city of Nice, a horrifying

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A man driving a lorry killed at least 84 people,

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including 10 children, as he ploughed through the crowds

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on the Promenade des Anglais, pedestrianised for the evening,

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swerving and zigzagging in an attempt to maximise the death toll.

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The lorry was finally stopped after over a mile of carnage,

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President Francois Hollande has said the attack was of "an undeniable

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Speaking in the last hour, the Prime Minister Theresa May said

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the UK stand shoulder to shoulder with France.

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I'm shocked and saddened by the horrifying attack

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Our hearts go out to the French people and to all those who have

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The full picture is still emerging and it seems

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at least 80 people are feared dead and many others injured.

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These were innocent victims enjoying a national celebration

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We are working urgently to establish whether any British nationals

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Our ambassador is travelling to Nice today with consular staff

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and they will be doing all they can to help anyone affected.

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I've asked my deputy national security advisor to chair a Cobra

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meeting of senior officials, to review what we know

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and what we can do to help and I will speak

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to President Hollande today and make sure that the United Kingdom stands

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shoulder-to-shoulder with France today, as we have done so often

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If, as we fear, this was a terrorist attack,

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then we must redouble our efforts to defeat these brutal murderers,

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We must work with France and our partners around the world

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to stand up for our values and for our freedom.

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And the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson also gave his

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Obviously our thoughts are very much with the people of France and Nice.

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I think there will be ministerial meatings later on today to discuss

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the implications for this country, if any.

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I don't at this time know of any read across or implications

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Clearly, if this is a terrorist incident -

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it represents a continuing threat to us in the whole of Europe

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We've been joined by the BBC's security

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Welcome back to the programme. Is it significant that no Islamist group

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has yet claimed responsibility? No, not at all. They didn't claim

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responsibility for the Ataturk airport attack in Istanbul. There

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have been several attacks which have gone unclaimed but there is no doubt

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in the investigators' minds and analysts who study this stuff and

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think-tanks elsewhere this is inspired by so-called Islamic State.

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There was a call to arms as it were back in September 2014 by the IS

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spokesman, who called for exactly these kind of attack, that was

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followed in December 2014 by a couple of much smaller and nothing

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like as devastating vehicle attacks in the French cities of Dijon and

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Nantes, but nothing on this scale. So, I would be very surprised if

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this isn't linked in some way to IS, even if this guy was operating on

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his own, he will probably have got inxxxx inspired in some way, he had

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a petty criminal record but no known links, we will have to see what the

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investigators say, this will be I am certain in response to the military

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pressure that IS, Isis is under in Syria and in Iraq, they are losing

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territory, they are losing recruits, commanders and this is their way of

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lashing out at soft targets. What more do we know about -- pepper

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traytor, born in Tunisia, but lived in France. What else do we know

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about him? I am not sure he had French nationality, he is Tunisian

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born, 31, unconfirmed reports have named him, but I am 23409 going to

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give the name in case they are wrong. He is of north African

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heritage, he had a police record for theft, traffic offence, violence,

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but no known links to terrorism. He was not on the watch list, 3,000

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strong. This is another sign that the French domestic intelligence

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agency needs to get on top of the problem, you can put thousands of

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troops on the street, you can raise the national terror threat level,

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you can extend the state of emergency but if it is not stopping

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attacks from people who are known to the police, that his need to do a

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better job. Given what he did, which was to

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drive a truck into a crowd in a sense, he was armed but the south of

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France as we know is awash with arms, could he have done this on his

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own? Did he need a support group or could you just have planned this...

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He rented the truck on Thursday, did he need a support group to do it?

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No, he didn't but I think, if you talk to people who study these

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things they say there is no such thing as a pure lone wolf attack, is

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a cliche, it is like an awful cliche, all the hallmarks of a

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Jihadi attack. It is unlikely to have been a completely sole

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operator, once they have his digital footprint and who he has been in

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contact with, on his phone, through encrypted apps, whatever mean,

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almost certainly it will transpire he has been in touch with somebody,

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he will have been viewing extremist propaganda material, and been

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radicalised passive sieve as it were, by what he is seeing and

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viewing, or more likely he has been in touch with people who have

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encouraged him to do this. I think, it is unlikely that he was sent by

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IS from Syria, let us see, there has been a mixture, if you look at the

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Bataclan tact in November and Brussels, there has been a mix of

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people who have been trained in Syria and others who haven't been

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necessarily left Europe to carry out these attacks. This was actually

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depressing and shocking that for such a high profile event with

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thousands of people, that the French security, which was braced in, you

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know, in the wake of these attacks and warnings, braced for something

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like this they weren't able to stop it. I want, that brings me on to the

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next question, before I ask it I want to make clear the person to

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blame for what happened is the man who drove the truck and those who

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support him, not the police. Or the security services. Absolutely. But

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to ask you this, did they make a mistake, which turned out to be

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fatal? I mean I have been to these events in the south of France. The

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Promenade des Anglais, the road is Klossed for the night. They

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pedestrian nice it, you can walk up and down, which meant it was easy

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for him once he got on to the promenade. He didn't have to go on

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the pavement. He could mow them down right down on the street, should the

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police not have had barrier, have stopped anything from getting on to

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the promenade? I would, first I totally agree with you, I think

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there is a tendency in these things to lash out at the people who are

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trying to stop this carnage, when you are right, we need to remember

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the person to blame for this is the perpetrator, and the ideology behind

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it, that is asouping as this does appear to be a politically or

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terrorism motivated attack, but I think coming on to your point, --

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assuming. It's a failure of imagination I would call it, and

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this is, I think, a generic failure of many intelligence agencies, I

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think it applies to MI5 our own security service, ten years ago

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where they didn't have the imagination to understand that some

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of the people who were seeking shelter in London and using the

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London as a platform to attack countries in the Middle East, that

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these people were quite dangerous, they have learned a lot since then,

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and that is one of the reasons why so far we haven't had a successful

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attack because they have got a lot better and trying to predict these

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things and think outside the box. To me this was a fail you to plan event

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if -- effectively. To think what if, people need to read team it, put

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your mind in the mind of a terse Ritz, if you want to attack

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something, think of a way to do it. Your can't foresee everything, but

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they should have been able to foresee this, what happens if

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somebody gets a big vehicle and gets through that? It is carnage, that is

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what happened, they should have predict it. One final question,

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Charlie Hebdo, November in Paris and now this, one weeps for France,

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don't you. You do, France is the number one target of opportunity for

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Jihadist, let us try and keep an hope mind, this looked like a Jihadi

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attack but so did Anders Breivik and motives for what he had to say,

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no-one has claimed responsibility for this yet but it looks like it.

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Either way France is right up there at the top of the target list for

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Islamic State, because it has pushed back Al-Qaeda. It is taking part in

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air strikes in Syria and Iraq, and it has the burqa ban, it has been

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particularly right up there, forward leaning, in confronting Islamist

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extremism. It has made itself a target. Britain is a target too, so

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is Belgium, France, Germany. In France there is the perfect storm of

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a few discontented individuals who have been drawn to jiesm. You have

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the banlieue where people no stake in their country, you have got

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relatively open border, easy access to automatic weapons, the list goes

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on. I know you have a busy day I am grateful you had time to join us.

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We think there are ten children dead at least and the fact this was so

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clearly an attack and that summary brought this home. It is an attack

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on a family day, an attack on targeted on people doing the most

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relaxed and enjoyable things. A family night out. I don't mean to

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say an attack on anything else is any less thankic, think the worst

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thing in your imagination a terrorist, if so it is, could do,

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and this really would be very high on the list, precisely because as

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you say the size of the coffin, the range of the victims. He knew there

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would be families. Huge Muslim population in Nice too, there would

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be plenty of Muslim families walking along the promenade. He knew the

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promenade, he in normal times you can't do it, it is bumper-to-bumper

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traffic he knew last night, because it was closed, he would be able to

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do what he wanted to do. And the manner of the attack subjects every

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aspect of the planning of it was designed to heighten the impact, and

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that would include going after family, and children, that would

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include picking an extremely high profile day in the French calendar

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and a place where the celebrations are, particularly prominent and

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well-known, so there is no doubt about that. I mean, I think we are

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entering an interesting debate, Frank Gardner was saying, they

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should have predicted this, those were his words, it seems hard to see

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for security services in Britain, in France, to gain absolutely every

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incident like this, as we look back and look for someone to maybe

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apportion blame to, there are a lot of people in France, the single

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biggest supplier of terrorists to Islamic State, according to some

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analysis, and there is clearly a problem across the country with

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disaffected people, going to Islamic State to fight in that Jihadi

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conflict there. It will be incredibly hard for the French

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security service that are suffering, that have suffered their third

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massive, terrible tragic terrorist attack, to keep tabs on everything

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that confronts them. We are learning that the British police in the UK

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are reviewing security round every major event over the next seven

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New Prime Minister Theresa May completed the task of appointing

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Despite having been billed as the continuity candidate,

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Mrs May made some far-reaching changes, bringing new faces

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into the Government, ousting many of David Cameron's

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closest allies, and even re-organising Whitehall departments.

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After the four great offices of state had been given

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to Boris Johnson, Philip Hammond, Michael Fallon and Amber Rudd,

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the Prime Minister announced two new positions for prominent

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Brexit campaigners - David Davis becoming the Minister

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in charge of Exiting the EU, and Liam Fox taking on the role

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of Secretary of State for International Trade.

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The changes were more radical than many had anticipated,

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Mrs May has created a new department for Business, Energy

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and Industrial Strategy, led by Greg Clark, which merges

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And responsibility for higher education has been given

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to new Education Secretary, Justine Greening.

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Just four cabinet positions have stayed in the same hands -

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Michael Fallon at defence, Jeremy Hunt at ealth,

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Michael Fallon at defence, Jeremy Hunt at health,

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Welsh Secretary Alun Cairns and Scottish Secretary David

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Theresa May removed many high profile figures

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from the previous government, sacking George Osborne,

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Michael Gove, Nicky Morgan and Stephen Crabb.

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She also cleared out David Cameron's advisers from Downing Street,

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replacing them with her trusted aides Fiona Hill and Nick Timothy,

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She has included seven Leave campaigners in her cabinet,

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Theresa May had been expected to appoint more women to cabinet,

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but in the end the number increased by just 1 to 8.

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So, how will the new Secretaries of State be feeling today?

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And what will be at the top of the agenda on their

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Giles has been talking to some of their predecessors.

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Er We are told that there are more people that went to state school in

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this Government, since Attlee in 1945. So how will the new Secretary

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of State be feeling today and what will be at the top of the agenda in

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the first few days in the job? Our Giles has been talking to some of

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their predecessors. Imagine yourself, nervous, delighted

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to have to have been appointed, possibly itching to get

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on with the job you've always wanted or daunted by one

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you didn't expect to get. Every Secretary of State is human,

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so what's it really It is a voyage of discovery and so,

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you know, you do some things at the start that you probably

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wouldn't do at the end and you definitely do some things

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at the end that you definitely I went into the Foreign Office

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on the first day with a speech, fully prepared, to give the staff,

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within minutes, literally within, I think, ten

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minutes or so of arriving. A predecessor of mine described

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to me that there was a blue sky out of which dark clouds and thunder

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and lightning came. I don't even remember,

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metaphorically speaking, the blue skies, because the grey

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was there from Day 1. Well, the priority for me

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was to prove to people There was scepticism about that

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and I said to officials - look, I want you to argue with me

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but, also, once I've made a decision, I want

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you to get on with it. How Day 1 in a department goes,

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depends on how you got the job. In 2010, William Hague entered

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the Foreign Office, having already met in Opposition

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the Permanent Secretary, to discuss what he

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might do on Day 1. We ended up having a dinner,

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inside the headquarters Now in what other country

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in the world does an Opposition figure plan the next

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Government with the officials, inside the headquarters

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of the intelligence agency? But, being appointed,

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after a general election, When I turned up, I think I'd

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probably not got my head into that mode, as much as I would have done,

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had I been pretty certain I was going to hold my seat and,

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therefore, I think those first few days, looking back,

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were wasted days for me. It took me the weekend

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to actually think - well, I have got the job,

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now what do I want to do? Ed Balls knew there was a chance

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Gordon Brown would give him a job but as Day 1 started,

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he clearly wasn't sure. I was doing an interview

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at 7.30am, live on BBC Leeds. As I was doing the interview my

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mobile phone rang and they could hear it down the line,

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the interviewers, I looked I said, "I can't answer this live

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on the radio." Then it rang off and the presenters

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from BBC Leeds said, "Oh my gosh, you've

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missed your chance." And there was a little bit of me

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which was slightly worried Sadly, once you are in office,

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there's no guarantee For the first few days,

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indeed the first couple of weeks, I was sitting at a desk

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with some partitions, I then graduated to a meeting

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room and eventually So, you know, it was

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like a rickety start-up. And, of course, for those who do

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have be a office on Day 1, you never know what you're

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going to find in it. And as part of the process

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of finding out what happens in a department, we came

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across a slide show that said - It was when I was doing

:21:18.:21:20.

the job in Opposition. I have to say, it probably

:21:21.:21:24.

was the least successful bit of lobbying the department

:21:25.:21:30.

has ever done. From Day 2 and onwards,

:21:31.:21:32.

you learn how to do the job better. It turned out to be much more useful

:21:33.:21:35.

to set up a crisis centre that could cope with any crisis,

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the ones that you haven't predicted, than to try to predict what crisis

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was going to happen next. I learnt that after,

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you know, ten months or so. As a flock of new ministers

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are taking up their roles, don't imagine their Day 1

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as a Secretary of State puts them in any less of a flap than Day 1

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in any job does to any of us. Our Gilles there. He has done a

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series of mini documentaries on the great offices of the Secretary of

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State. If any of the new incumbents are watching, I'm sure we could find

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a box set and you can hit the ground running. Sam, it took Margaret

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Thatcher four or five years to get the Cabinet she wanted. Are you

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surprised that Mrs May has done it in 24 hours? Not hugely. She seems

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to have shown a certain amount of pre-planning in everything she has

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done in the early hours of her Premiership. I find her style

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absolutely fascinating. And very different from David Cameron. This

:22:51.:22:56.

reshuffle shows her incredible self-confidence. It was definitely

:22:57.:23:03.

ballsy, definitely, possibly even foolhardy when we see how it plays

:23:04.:23:08.

out. What she has done, whereas David Cameron put people he was very

:23:09.:23:12.

close to in senior jobs, particularly George Osborne, people

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he was never going to disagree with, in public or in private, what May

:23:16.:23:20.

hae has done is lined up a load has lined up big beasts who all have

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completely different views on the biggest job this Government has to

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do. So you have the challenge of Brexit coming down the track, which

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will be the single biggest thing this Government has to do and she

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has brought in David Davis to run the Brexit department, Boris Johnson

:23:35.:23:39.

to run the Foreign Office, and Philip Hammond to run are the

:23:40.:23:43.

Treasury and you couldn't get more divergent views about how to deal

:23:44.:23:48.

with Brexit from David Hammond and David Davis. One threatened a WTO

:23:49.:23:54.

tariff system and Philip Hammond wants to remain as close as we can.

:23:55.:24:00.

What that means, there is only one place in in the Government, Theresa

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May, she has to synthesize and unite a divergent top team. Now, if she

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turns out to be an absolutely brilliant man and woman manager,

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that's great. If she isn't, God help Britain. Well, you may not be

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surprised. I am I'm surprised by the scale of it, and I'm surprised it

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snted just about men and women, it is about quite a substantial change

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in the structure of Whitehall that has taken place, in departments as

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well. Which can only men she's been think being this for a long time?

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Oh, yes. It struck me, Andrew, you have been sitting there in

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interviews, and I'm sure this has never happened to you and you have

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occasionally thought, I'm sure it doesn't happen to you, I could clear

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out everybody. She had that work place fantasy and has put it into

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practice. It wasn't something that has done every night. And

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particularly the boring nitty gritty meets, that departmental change

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including education. So she has a view certain things don't work well

:25:05.:25:07.

in the Government. She didn't think it was worth bothering to talk to

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David Cameron and George Osborne about, that she didn't think it with

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get very far. She had a famously testy relationship with George

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Osborne. She had it down on a piece of paper. It makes me think she was

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the only person who thought she was definitely going to become the Prime

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Minister. It is a no mercy change. Sam talks about the balance. : It is

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a breaksity-heavy Cabinet and we saw people like Andrea Leadsom, only a

:25:39.:25:44.

week ago, a competitor, fell foul of Theresa May and with everybody with

:25:45.:25:52.

her daft remarks but is thought, DEFRA isn't right for her, there is

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an element of revenge. It does have a Brexit feel to t because she has

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put the three Brexiteers, Boris, Johnson, Liam Fox, David Davis into

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the key posts for Brexit. Of course, given they are not exactly best

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friends, the three amigos, so we shall see what happens there, but

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the bigger challenge is not people, the bigger challenge is she made

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enormous almost Ed Miliband-esque speech before she walked into

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Downing Street earlier this week. That's fine. Largely rhetoric. How

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you turn that into policy is a much bigger chal in. Absolutely. She --

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challenge. She has been think being this for years, if you go back to a

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speech she made in 2013. It was nigh on identical to the speech she gave

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on the steps of number ten and an article she wrote in the Times on

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Monday. That's the length of time she has been planning this but you

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are right, actually for me, the biggest challenge for Theresa May is

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not the things you mentioned, it is the fact she has a majority of 12.

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Now a majority of 12, at a time when her in-tray is more complicated and

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fraught than at any time in my lifetime. And also an op Opposition

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in chaos, which makes the majority of 12 bigger in practice. She has

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picked on one faction, the modernised and taken them out and

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had them shot. They will be on the bdgess, possibly grumbling and being

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unhelpful. You have the people supporting Andrea Leadsom. The Lead

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bangers. What are you calling them? I believe they were called the Led

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Bangers. A tribute band. They could cause problems as well. So

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parliamentary votes are going to be tough at a time when we have

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difficult issues coming down the track. All right, thank you for

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that. Well speaking of Labour, while the attention has been on our new

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Prime Minister and deet, the turmoil inside the Labour Party continues.

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One of the two Labour figures planning to challenge

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Jeremy Corbyn for the leadership, Owen Smith, was due to formally

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He cancelled that event because of the attack in Nice,

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Owe web Smith, welcome. Let me begin -- Owen Smith, welcome, let me begin

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with Nice. I know you will want to say something but as you do, if the

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terrorists are now moving beyond the capital city, Nice is a major

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regional city, a long way from the capital. We have major cities a long

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way from the capital, are you satisfied that we have the scale and

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speed of an articled response in this country, if we face similar

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terrorist attacks? Well, first of all Andrew, can you just say on

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approximate - behalf of the Labour movement if you like how awful the

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attack in Nice was. I woke this morning to seat full detail of it

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and it is horrible for any of us - if anybody who has a family or any

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sense of how dreadful these events must be for the people involved, it

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is just heartbreaking to see it happening again and that's why I

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cancelled my launch today and I won't be campaigning, as it were

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today. Look, I worked in the Northern Ireland Office, as an

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advisor and I saw how brilliant our Security Services are and our police

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forces in Britain at dealing with terrorism. Wref'

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forces in Britain at dealing with terrorism. long history of having to

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deal with terrorism and we are adept at doing it. We know there have been

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many attempts of dealing with terrorism on the streets of Britain

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and it has been foiled in recent years by our Security Services, the

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army and the police and I'm eternally grateful to those people

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for standing guard over us. But we also know that the Security Services

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would tell us that when individuals, such as the man who has done this in

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Nice, are determined to take life, and prepare to swap their own, it is

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incredibly hard to prevent them. Whether that's in London or anywhere

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else. We know that when people are determined, it's very difficult to

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stop them being able to take other people's lives, if they can

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sacrifice their own. I hope that we will stand safe and secure forever,

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but, we know that that is not something any of us can guarantee.

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Thank you for that. Let's come on to your leadership bid. You have said

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the Labour Party needs new leadership but surely the person who

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has shown leadership in this has been Angela Eagle. She's the one

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that challenge plod Corbyn and you are leading from behind? - Mr

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Corbyn. Well, Angela triggered the contest and I think many people in

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the Labour Party feel Angela is owed a debt of gratitude for doing that.

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I think it is now a case of those of us who also think we have got

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something to say, who also think we have a challenge to make for the top

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job in the Labour Party, to come out and say so and be brave enough...

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But you waited for others to move before doing it yourself. Why did

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you do that? You kept your head down, below the parapet and then

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Angela Eagle puts her head above and then you join in. Why? If you want

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the honest answer, Andrew, what happened was I resigned on the

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Monday, I went to Wales on the Monday evening, and my wife rang me

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to tell me my brother had been taken seriously ill. I went to an A

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department with him on that Monday evening and I was with him on 29

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hours. I came out on the Wednesday to be met with a barrage of phone

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calls, hundreds of phone calls from members and colleagues in the Labour

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Party, urging me to consider putting my hat into the ring, I thought hard

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about it, over the following days, I met again with Jeremy on that

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Thursday and again on the Monday and on both occasions, asking him to

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consider what compromise he could reach in order to stop what I think

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will be a divisive leadership contest because I think we

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desperately need to heal and unite the Labour Party. In the end I

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felted there was no compromise that could be reached and therefore a

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challenge to Jeremy was the only thing that might bring about unity

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in the Labour Party, which is so vital because we have a Tory

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Government, the Labour Party needs to be set to oppose it and more

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importantly be a radical and credible Government-in-waiting.

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On what policy areas do you disagree with Angela Eagle. Angela hasn't

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laid out a policy platform. I have started laying out pine, I have said

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clearly up front I think Brexit is potentially going to be enormously

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bad for the economy, we need to say to the current Government we need a

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seat at the table but more importantly we trusted the people to

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make a decision last time round, we now need to see how this deal

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unfolds. If it is not as good as people were hoping for we should

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trust the people to make the decision. That isn't what I asked

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you, are you telling me as far as you're aware, there are no policy

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differences between you and Angela Eagle? I am not saying that a all. I

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am saying one policy difference is I have said there should be a second

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referendum to give people a chance... They may agree with that,

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he is a strong pro-EU politician. I am not here to say that. Other than

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Trident, who policy areas do you disagree Mr Corbyn? Let me go back

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to Angela or Jeremy. Inequality is a massive problem for our country.

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Miss Eagle and MrCorbyn are saying that too. Mrs May says that, where

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are the differences? I propose we should do something about that and

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change the constitution of the Labour Party, change clause four in

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order to reflect our desire to reduce inequalities of power and

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wealth and opportunity. Hold on, your answer to inequality is to

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change the Labour Party constitution, that is a policy

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difference? That is the first one. The second thing we should do is put

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our money where our mouth is on austerity, anti-austerity is the

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right policy for the Labour Party. You all agree with that? We need to

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go beyond slogan, I would propose that we institute an enormous

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building programme in Britain. I would propose there is a British new

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deal, if you like, ?200 billion investment programme for social and

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physical infrastructure in Britain, we have allowed our social and

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physical infrastructure to languish for far too long, we have allowed

:34:29.:34:32.

decay, there are potholes in the streets of Britain but also problems

:34:33.:34:36.

with schools, with the social care, lack of vocational education,

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housing is a disaster, the only way we will address that is if we have

:34:41.:34:44.

an active interventionist Government. Perhaps where I differ

:34:45.:34:50.

with both, and Jeremy, is that I feel that both New Labour and Jeremy

:34:51.:34:54.

have been too timid. New Labour wasn't bold enough, despite many of

:34:55.:34:58.

the great things it did. Let us not go back to New Labour. We haven't

:34:59.:35:03.

got much time. Let us look forward a bit here, Labour has already lost

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Scotland. You don't look like getting that back any time soon.

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Explain to the viewers how a second referendum on the deal that will be

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done, how will that help you among Labour voters in the north, a lot of

:35:17.:35:23.

whom voted to leave? I lot voted to leave in Wales, lots of the people I

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grew up with in my constituency feel they were sold a pup. What is the

:35:29.:35:32.

evidence for that? The evidence is anecdotally talking to people on the

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streets across this country and some polling evidence. What is the

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polling evidence? The evidence of the lie is clearly. What is the

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actual, as oppose to people you talktor, what is the evidence there

:35:47.:35:52.

is now a huge buyers' remorse? I didn't say that, I said I think

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there is out there a sense that some of the things that were promised, an

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extra ?350 billion a week for the NHS. I think it was promised. It was

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not promise for this week, they don't get the money until we leave.

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We are still paying, if I am just asking, because you have said this

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many times as if people are is suddenly changed their mind, they

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think we voted the wrong way, it's a big claim. You need to give us the

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evidence to substantiate it I have said it a couple of time, my view is

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we trusted the British people to make the decision I think lots of

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people now feel that the terms of that decision, what they thought

:36:32.:36:35.

they were buying, more money for the NHS, controls on immigration aren't

:36:36.:36:39.

going to be realised, certainly not in the way the simplistic terms they

:36:40.:36:43.

were promised. I think it is reasonable for a Labour Government

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that does believe that we should be in Europe, and at the heart of

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Europe to say to people we trusted you to take the decision now we

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trust you to look at what is negotiated over the next two years,

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18 months, and determine whether that is what you want. The analogy I

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would use, you wouldn't buy a car without having a look under the

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engine and checking it worked. Well, that is what we have been asked to

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do with Brexit. Now we have an opportunity to test-drive the car,

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if you like, over the next 18 month period and check whether we want to

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buy it. I suspect many of your voters will think you are trying to

:37:19.:37:22.

redo the referendum and get a different result, that will play

:37:23.:37:25.

into Ukip. We will see on that, but let me ask you this, if you want to

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see off Mr Corbyn, don't you and Miss Eagle have to make up your

:37:32.:37:35.

minds which one is going to do it. Surely there should be only one

:37:36.:37:38.

candidate in this race, who is it going to be? I agree, I think there

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is a widespread view there should only be one challenger. I How will

:37:46.:37:50.

you get there? I am not sure it is not for me to determine as to how we

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get there, I am prepared to submit to whatever mechanism, whether it is

:37:57.:38:01.

the deputy leader of the party or the parliamentary leadership of the

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party or the PLP itself, we need to find a mechanism to get to there. I

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will stand by whatever that decision is. Thank you for joining us.

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Let's get the latest from Nice now and talk

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to our correspondent there, Andrew Plant.

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Andrew, good afternoon to you there, in Nice, the city must be in a

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terrible state at the moment, as must all of France, what is the

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latest that you can tell us? There is a lot going on here in Nice right

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now, every few minutes we are aware of a new police siren go past, we

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have heard more information in the last half hour, you might be able to

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see the top of the truck. Yes, we can see it. You can probably just

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see the top of the truck. That is the one you have seen pictures with

:38:55.:38:58.

the bullet holes in the window, that was driven down here last night. We

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know in the cab they found personal items, they found bank cards,

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wallet. They have raided a house somewhere here, we don't know where

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and what they have recovered. French media are naming a man, they say he

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is a 31-year-old local man, possibly of Tunisian heritage, his name is

:39:23.:39:25.

Mohammed, so that is the latest information from here, that is what

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has been said on French media but we haven't had any formal confirmation

:39:30.:39:35.

from the police. What word now, we understand on the latest figures

:39:36.:39:40.

there were, 84 fatalities, including ten children, but there are still

:39:41.:39:44.

about 100 people in hospital and some of them are in intensive care

:39:45.:39:49.

and on the critical list, do we know more about that? Yes, mine that is

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what people are having to come to terms with, here today. I can't

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swing my camera round because of the amount of media that are here, if I

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could I would be able to show you a lot of people standing at the end of

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the road here, next to a barrier, there are lots of barricades, you

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can't move freely for obvious reasons, there is a shrine beginning

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to develop. Lots of flowers being laid. People standing there. You

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have to be careful where you point your camera, they are having to come

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to terms with what happened on their street, their town, their firework

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display when they should have been having a good time, instead these

:40:32.:40:35.

terrible events happened. The death toll stands at 84 but there are some

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severely injured people and it wouldn't be a surprise if that went

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up, Andrew. Thank you for that, live from Nice, the city, the region, the

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country, of course in a state of shock, and will continue that way

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through the weekend and into next week, it will be a harrowing tile

:40:55.:40:58.

when the funerals begin of those killed in that a tack.

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We've been joined by Maajid Nawaz from the Quilliam Foundation,

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Is there any reason we can divine as to why France is bearing the brunt

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of these attacks in Europe? There is. Two years ago an IS spokesman,

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it hasn't been claimed by IS but the signs are there. A spokesperson

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instructed their followers to engage in precisely this type of attack,

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using cars to mow people down on the streets. In that instruction, he

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specified and high lighted France in particular, for such an attack, so

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we have to think why do they have a particular grudge? One is

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pragmatism, a lot of recruits come from France, France, unlike Britain

:41:53.:41:55.

is on continental Europe it is easier to attack in France than in

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Britain, though we are overdue an attack here as well. The other is,

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they Maziar Bahari a grudge against France for things such as the stance

:42:05.:42:10.

on the Charlie Hebdo cartoons and free speech, which is a laudable

:42:11.:42:17.

stance and the ban of face Israels. They have taken such a ban

:42:18.:42:20.

personally and they wish to attack France as a symbol of western

:42:21.:42:27.

enlightenment and freedoms. Are we right to be puzzled, but grateful,

:42:28.:42:32.

that we haven't had so far, a similar attack in this country? In

:42:33.:42:36.

recent years? Yes, I think part of the reason is the fact there is the

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English Channel in the middle and we have controlled our own border, it

:42:41.:42:45.

makes it harder to get here but to acquire guns for those here already,

:42:46.:42:50.

I must say, Andrew, I think that we are long overdue an attack, I want

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the nation to be prepared for the tragic day something like that

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happens here soon. I am frankly surprised it hasn't happened yet. I

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mean, we take. Co-fort, it is certainly harder to get automatic

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weapons in this country than in France, in France it is maybe not as

:43:09.:43:12.

easy as America but there are a lot of weapons in France f you want

:43:13.:43:16.

them, this guy was a criminal, you can get a hold of them. But this was

:43:17.:43:20.

not a terrorist attack, it did involve a weapon but it didn't seem

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to be the most important thing, I mean, anybody can rent a truck one

:43:25.:43:29.

day, and find a way of driving it into a huge crowd the next day.

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Hamas has been doing this for years, they realised it was difficult to

:43:37.:43:41.

penetrate security barriers so they decided to change tactic and find

:43:42.:43:45.

every day weapons like cars to turn them into weapons and mow people

:43:46.:43:49.

down at bus stops which they have been doing. Global Jihadis in 2010

:43:50.:43:56.

instructed their followers to adopt a strategy. IS adopted a similar

:43:57.:44:01.

strategy. I wouldn't be surprised to see in the UK, a city not in the

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capital, a soft target, such as a celebration on the streets and

:44:08.:44:13.

festival, or a national holiday, and a car or other such similar daily

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tools being used. Something unexceptional. Absolutely. It can

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have a similar effect on the psyche of the nation. A lot of people were

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saying to me on social media our intelligence services are so

:44:29.:44:31.

wonderful that is why we have not been attacked. It is true they have

:44:32.:44:38.

thwarted a number of attacks but it is true the French police thwarted

:44:39.:44:44.

attacks as recently as the European football competition. When I speak

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to the services they are the first people to say we can't stop

:44:49.:44:52.

everything. It is kind of, it is wrong and unfair to expect our

:44:53.:44:55.

intelligence services to get everything. Of course they are not

:44:56.:45:00.

going to stop everything. What I would encourage the authorities to

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do is prepare for the response when an attack happens, that mustn't only

:45:06.:45:09.

be a legal and CT response. Counter-terrorism. Yes, what we need

:45:10.:45:15.

in place is a response within communities, now it is clear we must

:45:16.:45:20.

not letterrieses divide it. Something, we have to acknowledge is

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yes, terrorists mustn't divide communities but we need a strategy

:45:26.:45:30.

to engage in this struggle. That will be an uncomfortable

:45:31.:45:34.

conversation, Muslims and non-Muslims need to stand together

:45:35.:45:38.

to challenge the ideology that underpins this terrorism. It won't

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be easy. It wasn't when people started challenging racism and

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homophobia, but the battles were one, this is a similar struggle. The

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new Prime Minister and new Government, given all the changes,

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given what has happened in France, given the enduring and ongoing

:45:55.:45:57.

danger still in this country, they will have to give more thought to

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this, they will have to do more than has been done so far and think of

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new ways. Absolutely. Theresa May has had a sterling record at the

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Home Office, with what she hasn't had to deal with is the community

:46:12.:46:19.

cohesion brief. Prime Minister Cameron, during his tenure, adopted

:46:20.:46:27.

a full spectrum approach. Her views have evolved to accepting the need

:46:28.:46:31.

for a full spectrum whole of society approach. It remains to be seen how

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committed she is. I am sure it has moved up her agenda.

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He ran the Bank of England for ten years, steering the British economy

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alongside the occupants of Number 11 Downing Street - first Gordon Brown,

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then Alistair Darling, and finally, George Osborne.

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Now Mervyn King is keen to encourage state schools to get their school

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Like these children, I too learnt to play cricket

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Mine was in Yorkshire, in the primary school in Old Town

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Today we're in London but the spirit is the same, playing in a team

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He ran the Bank of England for ten years, steering the British economy

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That's pretty good preparation for the world of work.

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But good schools know that opportunities like this are a part

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But over the years it's become more and more difficult for state schools

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to provide opportunities to children, to take part in

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extra-curricular activities, whether it is sport,

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or music or drama, or a host of other activities in

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That's why a decade ago the charity Chance to Shine was started.

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It set out to regenerate cricket in state schools.

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Because, to learn how to win and how to lose,

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that teams comprise people with different skills and abilities,

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and that respect for the opposition, is an essential part of competition,

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really altogether mean the spirit of cricket,

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There is more to education than simply the National Curriculum.

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And more than any other sport, cricket crosses social,

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There is more to education than simply the National Curriculum.

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And more than any other sport, cricket crosses social,

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Chance to Shine has now reached over 11,000 state schools and more

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than 3 million children have been given the chance to learn cricket

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It has helped to build confidence, motivation, and the aspirations

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My dream job would be to be captain of Worcestershire and England.

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I had to be Governor of the Bank of England instead.

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I think I would rather have captained Worcestershire.

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Well, certainly cricket seems to have ensured

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children for their lunch today but more significantly,

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we hope that cricket will enthuse their appetite for many

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other interests and subjects and to raise their aspirations by giving

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Chance to Shine is not aiming to produce the next England

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star but to use cricket to broaden educational experience.

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So, ask not what these children could do for cricket,

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but what cricket can do for our children.

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Welcome to the programme. There is a systemic problem for cricket for

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schools, isn't there? It is the time it takes, if you are teachers giving

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up a Saturday or an evening, you do rugby, football, hockey, whatever,

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it doesn't take so long but cricket can last all day. It is demanding? .

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It doesn't have to be now. I mean with T 20 in the professional game

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and of course in the schools actually playing the game you can

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play it for any length of time you like. We provide all the resources

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to schools. The aim of this is to add a new dimension to the life of a

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school,ies headteachers love it. They do? Absolutely? Are you going

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to win this battle. I was looking at the ECB, by that I don't mean the

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European Central Bank. Something much more important. The English

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Cricket Board. They carried out a major survey, 60,000 Europeans

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playing the sport at the grassroots level than the previous year. Can

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you reverse that? We can, but the main thing is to get it going in

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schools. That's what we want to do. Because of the educational benefit

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of playing a team sport. You can see in some of the film but we have seen

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it in many schools around the country, that we find children from

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different ethnic and gender backgrounds all play together. They

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don't notice the differents. They are all part of the same team. I

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think that's a wonderful preparation for the world of work. Cricket is an

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interesting sport. You can be both highly individual but you are part

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of a team. At tennis you are an individual. Football is a kind of

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team, although there are famous individuals in that but cricket,

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combines the individuality and a collective objective? Exactly and

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this is' why it is the perfect preparation for the world of work

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later on. - and that's Y Where individual performances matters but

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so does the team. Did cricket help you when you were governor. Bank of

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England? It helped me if I was at school. I don't think I would have

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taken my academic focus as seriously as I did, had I not had the chance

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to play cricket and do other things like drama and chess. All of the

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things which a good school provads and which many states schools have

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not been able to provide. We make sure we can take cricket to a school

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t doesn't cost them anything, either in time or money and we add to the

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dimensions. You can provide it - when we played football, two jackets

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down, and a ball. We can provide everything and the coaches. That's

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the main thing. Do we have the grounds? No, but many schools or

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clubs make available their grounds and at primary school level, there

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are markings in play grounds. You can use it there. That film was

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filmed in Waterloo in central London in a playground within the school.

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Of course, lots of second, third generation kids, immigrant families

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now, they come from cricketing countries, don't they? That must be

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a plus It is a big plus and thatp integration is a key part of the

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programme. You soo he it right around the country where people

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forget whatever ethnic backgrounds they have and they are all playing

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on the same team. And, part of the danger has been, with the decline,

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it has become a state school/private school business, cricket has become

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more dominated by private schools as some of the state schools have moved

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away. And that's what you are out to reverse? Yes, only 7% of children go

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to private schools but they account for far more of the professional

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game. What we want to do, rather like Theresa May with her Cabinet

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and also the tragic events in Nice, what this brings home, is the

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importance to put, to make a success of o you are state schools and to do

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it in a way that breaks down the ethnic divides. Since I have got you

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here. You were governor when we cut rates to 0.5%. Seven years ago, I

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think now. Yes. I bet you, when you did that, you never thought that

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seven years later t would still be 0.5% Absolutely rightful and indeed

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every minister and Central Bank governor in the G7, who met in

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Washington in 2008, after the collapse of Lehman Brothers, at the

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height of the crisis, no-one imagined that eight years on, we

:53:56.:54:00.

would be where we are today. And this - explain something to me - on

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Wednesday, I think afternoon, Roycers gives us Reuters gives us a

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poll of the economists, largely based on the city but beyond that,

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in which 80% of them are pretty sure the governor is going to cut rates

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on Thursday morning and, of course the governor doesn't cut rates. I

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mean do they say that on a wing or a prayer, or does the bank give out

:54:26.:54:29.

signals that that's maybe what it is going to do? Well, we never gave out

:54:30.:54:33.

signals. I think the lesson is this - don't bother to look at opinion

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polls of economists. There is no need to. All you need to do now, we

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have a very good system a Monetary Policy Committee of nine members.

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Just wait. Once a month they will reveal their decision. And voted 8-1

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not to do it. So the economists couldn't be more wrong. Of course

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they may do it in August there. Have been indications they may well do

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it. Is it fair to say, putting all the project fear away, is that given

:54:58.:55:05.

that the economy was already slowing down earlier this year and seems to

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have done since April onwards, that in this quarter and the next quarter

:55:10.:55:12.

we are likely to go through, maybe not a recession but certainly a

:55:13.:55:15.

slowdown? I think we certainly should expect some sort of slowdown.

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Clearly there is uncertainty now with the new situation, leaving the

:55:20.:55:23.

European Union. That would mean that some investment projects will be put

:55:24.:55:27.

on hold but we simply don't know how serious it will be and we don't have

:55:28.:55:31.

any data to suggest that. So there has been a slight degree of hysteria

:55:32.:55:34.

in the reaction in the last three weeks, obviously primarily among the

:55:35.:55:37.

political class which has been tearing itself... And some of the

:55:38.:55:41.

media, too Media and the political class tearing themselves to pieces

:55:42.:55:45.

and wildly exaggerating things and I hope now we will able to calm down

:55:46.:55:50.

and get back to a proper programme of work to make this departure from

:55:51.:55:53.

the European Union a workable success, which we can certainly do.

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If they all went and either watched or played a good game of cricket I'm

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sure they would have a better judgment. They certainly would.

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Thank you very much. On Monday morning David Cameron

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was still Prime Minister and the nation was looking forward

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to a long summer contest between Theresa May

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and Andrea Leadsom over At the end of another tumultuous

:56:12.:56:13.

week in politics we thought we'd look back at the events of the last

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five days. I have concluded that the interests

:56:20.:56:33.

of our country are best-served by the immediate appointment of a

:56:34.:56:36.

strong and well-supported Prime Minister.

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THE SPEAKER: Questions to the Prime Minister.

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Mr Speak e this morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues

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and others. Other than one meeting this afternoon with Her Majesty The

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Queen, the diary for the rest of my day is remarkably light.

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I have just been to Buckingham Palace where Her Majesty The Queen

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has asked me to form a new Government and I accepted.

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It is inevitable that there is going to be a certain amount of plaster

:57:52.:57:57.

coming off the ceiling in the chanceries of Europe. It wasn't the

:57:58.:57:58.

result that they were expecting. CLAPS AND BOOS

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There we go, another, another historic week in British politics. A

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minute left. 30 seconds to each of you for your thoughts on where we go

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from here? Where we go from here is that Theresa May, after all those

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snrours been delivered and everyone sent their congratulations, she

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really has it settle down. There has to be a really strong centre to this

:58:53.:58:58.

Government. She has quite a separated team as we reflected

:58:59.:59:01.

earlier but at the same time, she has a big job, one job by which she

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will be judged, how does Brexit go. Brexit was exit for David Cameron.

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For her, her chance, she has the team and reorganisation and now she

:59:12.:59:14.

has the big chance. I just don't know how we get it a year from here?

:59:15.:59:19.

I can't see quite what we are going to do on Brexit? I can't see how you

:59:20.:59:23.

square demands to stay close to the single market with what the public

:59:24.:59:28.

think they voted for in a referendum on immigration and I think that will

:59:29.:59:31.

be the defining question question of her Government and if she solved

:59:32.:59:35.

that everything else unfolds well for her after that but it will be

:59:36.:59:39.

very hard. Perfect timing, we must have the two of you back. Thank you

:59:40.:59:44.

very much. Thank you to all of my guests.

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The One O'Clock News is starting over on BBC One now.

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I'll be back on Sunday with the Sunday Politics,

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Andrew Neil is joined by Anne McElvoy of The Economist and Sam Coates of The Times for the latest from Westminster including political reaction to the terrorist attack in Nice. Plus an interview with the former governor of the Bank of England Mervyn King.


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