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Good afternoon, welcome to the Daily Politics.


Terror returns to France, this time in the South.


At least 84 people are killed after a lorry ploughs through packed


crowds gathering for Bastille Day celebrations


President Hollande arrives in Nice having led the condemnation


France's nationwide state of emergency, in place


since the terror attacks in Paris, will be extended by three months.


Back in Britain, with her new Cabinet in place,


Theresa May begins to focus on the challenges ahead.


At the end of a tumultuous week, we assess the start of the May Era.


And the former Governor of the Bank of England, Mervyn King,


joins us to talk about the economy, Brexit and cricket!


All that in the next hour, and with us for the duration,


Sam Coates of the Times, and Anne McElvoy of the Economist.


Last night, as thousands gathered to celebrate Bastille Day


in the southern France city of Nice, a horrifying


A man driving a lorry killed at least 84 people,


including 10 children, as he ploughed through the crowds


on the Promenade des Anglais, pedestrianised for the evening,


swerving and zigzagging in an attempt to maximise the death toll.


The lorry was finally stopped after over a mile of carnage,


President Francois Hollande has said the attack was of "an undeniable


Speaking in the last hour, the Prime Minister Theresa May said


the UK stand shoulder to shoulder with France.


I'm shocked and saddened by the horrifying attack


Our hearts go out to the French people and to all those who have


The full picture is still emerging and it seems


at least 80 people are feared dead and many others injured.


These were innocent victims enjoying a national celebration


We are working urgently to establish whether any British nationals


Our ambassador is travelling to Nice today with consular staff


and they will be doing all they can to help anyone affected.


I've asked my deputy national security advisor to chair a Cobra


meeting of senior officials, to review what we know


and what we can do to help and I will speak


to President Hollande today and make sure that the United Kingdom stands


shoulder-to-shoulder with France today, as we have done so often


If, as we fear, this was a terrorist attack,


then we must redouble our efforts to defeat these brutal murderers,


We must work with France and our partners around the world


to stand up for our values and for our freedom.


And the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson also gave his


Obviously our thoughts are very much with the people of France and Nice.


I think there will be ministerial meatings later on today to discuss


the implications for this country, if any.


I don't at this time know of any read across or implications


Clearly, if this is a terrorist incident -


it represents a continuing threat to us in the whole of Europe


We've been joined by the BBC's security


Welcome back to the programme. Is it significant that no Islamist group


has yet claimed responsibility? No, not at all. They didn't claim


responsibility for the Ataturk airport attack in Istanbul. There


have been several attacks which have gone unclaimed but there is no doubt


in the investigators' minds and analysts who study this stuff and


think-tanks elsewhere this is inspired by so-called Islamic State.


There was a call to arms as it were back in September 2014 by the IS


spokesman, who called for exactly these kind of attack, that was


followed in December 2014 by a couple of much smaller and nothing


like as devastating vehicle attacks in the French cities of Dijon and


Nantes, but nothing on this scale. So, I would be very surprised if


this isn't linked in some way to IS, even if this guy was operating on


his own, he will probably have got inxxxx inspired in some way, he had


a petty criminal record but no known links, we will have to see what the


investigators say, this will be I am certain in response to the military


pressure that IS, Isis is under in Syria and in Iraq, they are losing


territory, they are losing recruits, commanders and this is their way of


lashing out at soft targets. What more do we know about -- pepper


traytor, born in Tunisia, but lived in France. What else do we know


about him? I am not sure he had French nationality, he is Tunisian


born, 31, unconfirmed reports have named him, but I am 23409 going to


give the name in case they are wrong. He is of north African


heritage, he had a police record for theft, traffic offence, violence,


but no known links to terrorism. He was not on the watch list, 3,000


strong. This is another sign that the French domestic intelligence


agency needs to get on top of the problem, you can put thousands of


troops on the street, you can raise the national terror threat level,


you can extend the state of emergency but if it is not stopping


attacks from people who are known to the police, that his need to do a


better job. Given what he did, which was to


drive a truck into a crowd in a sense, he was armed but the south of


France as we know is awash with arms, could he have done this on his


own? Did he need a support group or could you just have planned this...


He rented the truck on Thursday, did he need a support group to do it?


No, he didn't but I think, if you talk to people who study these


things they say there is no such thing as a pure lone wolf attack, is


a cliche, it is like an awful cliche, all the hallmarks of a


Jihadi attack. It is unlikely to have been a completely sole


operator, once they have his digital footprint and who he has been in


contact with, on his phone, through encrypted apps, whatever mean,


almost certainly it will transpire he has been in touch with somebody,


he will have been viewing extremist propaganda material, and been


radicalised passive sieve as it were, by what he is seeing and


viewing, or more likely he has been in touch with people who have


encouraged him to do this. I think, it is unlikely that he was sent by


IS from Syria, let us see, there has been a mixture, if you look at the


Bataclan tact in November and Brussels, there has been a mix of


people who have been trained in Syria and others who haven't been


necessarily left Europe to carry out these attacks. This was actually


depressing and shocking that for such a high profile event with


thousands of people, that the French security, which was braced in, you


know, in the wake of these attacks and warnings, braced for something


like this they weren't able to stop it. I want, that brings me on to the


next question, before I ask it I want to make clear the person to


blame for what happened is the man who drove the truck and those who


support him, not the police. Or the security services. Absolutely. But


to ask you this, did they make a mistake, which turned out to be


fatal? I mean I have been to these events in the south of France. The


Promenade des Anglais, the road is Klossed for the night. They


pedestrian nice it, you can walk up and down, which meant it was easy


for him once he got on to the promenade. He didn't have to go on


the pavement. He could mow them down right down on the street, should the


police not have had barrier, have stopped anything from getting on to


the promenade? I would, first I totally agree with you, I think


there is a tendency in these things to lash out at the people who are


trying to stop this carnage, when you are right, we need to remember


the person to blame for this is the perpetrator, and the ideology behind


it, that is asouping as this does appear to be a politically or


terrorism motivated attack, but I think coming on to your point, --


assuming. It's a failure of imagination I would call it, and


this is, I think, a generic failure of many intelligence agencies, I


think it applies to MI5 our own security service, ten years ago


where they didn't have the imagination to understand that some


of the people who were seeking shelter in London and using the


London as a platform to attack countries in the Middle East, that


these people were quite dangerous, they have learned a lot since then,


and that is one of the reasons why so far we haven't had a successful


attack because they have got a lot better and trying to predict these


things and think outside the box. To me this was a fail you to plan event


if -- effectively. To think what if, people need to read team it, put


your mind in the mind of a terse Ritz, if you want to attack


something, think of a way to do it. Your can't foresee everything, but


they should have been able to foresee this, what happens if


somebody gets a big vehicle and gets through that? It is carnage, that is


what happened, they should have predict it. One final question,


Charlie Hebdo, November in Paris and now this, one weeps for France,


don't you. You do, France is the number one target of opportunity for


Jihadist, let us try and keep an hope mind, this looked like a Jihadi


attack but so did Anders Breivik and motives for what he had to say,


no-one has claimed responsibility for this yet but it looks like it.


Either way France is right up there at the top of the target list for


Islamic State, because it has pushed back Al-Qaeda. It is taking part in


air strikes in Syria and Iraq, and it has the burqa ban, it has been


particularly right up there, forward leaning, in confronting Islamist


extremism. It has made itself a target. Britain is a target too, so


is Belgium, France, Germany. In France there is the perfect storm of


a few discontented individuals who have been drawn to jiesm. You have


the banlieue where people no stake in their country, you have got


relatively open border, easy access to automatic weapons, the list goes


on. I know you have a busy day I am grateful you had time to join us.


We think there are ten children dead at least and the fact this was so


clearly an attack and that summary brought this home. It is an attack


on a family day, an attack on targeted on people doing the most


relaxed and enjoyable things. A family night out. I don't mean to


say an attack on anything else is any less thankic, think the worst


thing in your imagination a terrorist, if so it is, could do,


and this really would be very high on the list, precisely because as


you say the size of the coffin, the range of the victims. He knew there


would be families. Huge Muslim population in Nice too, there would


be plenty of Muslim families walking along the promenade. He knew the


promenade, he in normal times you can't do it, it is bumper-to-bumper


traffic he knew last night, because it was closed, he would be able to


do what he wanted to do. And the manner of the attack subjects every


aspect of the planning of it was designed to heighten the impact, and


that would include going after family, and children, that would


include picking an extremely high profile day in the French calendar


and a place where the celebrations are, particularly prominent and


well-known, so there is no doubt about that. I mean, I think we are


entering an interesting debate, Frank Gardner was saying, they


should have predicted this, those were his words, it seems hard to see


for security services in Britain, in France, to gain absolutely every


incident like this, as we look back and look for someone to maybe


apportion blame to, there are a lot of people in France, the single


biggest supplier of terrorists to Islamic State, according to some


analysis, and there is clearly a problem across the country with


disaffected people, going to Islamic State to fight in that Jihadi


conflict there. It will be incredibly hard for the French


security service that are suffering, that have suffered their third


massive, terrible tragic terrorist attack, to keep tabs on everything


that confronts them. We are learning that the British police in the UK


are reviewing security round every major event over the next seven


New Prime Minister Theresa May completed the task of appointing


Despite having been billed as the continuity candidate,


Mrs May made some far-reaching changes, bringing new faces


into the Government, ousting many of David Cameron's


closest allies, and even re-organising Whitehall departments.


After the four great offices of state had been given


to Boris Johnson, Philip Hammond, Michael Fallon and Amber Rudd,


the Prime Minister announced two new positions for prominent


Brexit campaigners - David Davis becoming the Minister


in charge of Exiting the EU, and Liam Fox taking on the role


of Secretary of State for International Trade.


The changes were more radical than many had anticipated,


Mrs May has created a new department for Business, Energy


and Industrial Strategy, led by Greg Clark, which merges


And responsibility for higher education has been given


to new Education Secretary, Justine Greening.


Just four cabinet positions have stayed in the same hands -


Michael Fallon at defence, Jeremy Hunt at ealth,


Michael Fallon at defence, Jeremy Hunt at health,


Welsh Secretary Alun Cairns and Scottish Secretary David


Theresa May removed many high profile figures


from the previous government, sacking George Osborne,


Michael Gove, Nicky Morgan and Stephen Crabb.


She also cleared out David Cameron's advisers from Downing Street,


replacing them with her trusted aides Fiona Hill and Nick Timothy,


She has included seven Leave campaigners in her cabinet,


Theresa May had been expected to appoint more women to cabinet,


but in the end the number increased by just 1 to 8.


So, how will the new Secretaries of State be feeling today?


And what will be at the top of the agenda on their


Giles has been talking to some of their predecessors.


Er We are told that there are more people that went to state school in


this Government, since Attlee in 1945. So how will the new Secretary


of State be feeling today and what will be at the top of the agenda in


the first few days in the job? Our Giles has been talking to some of


their predecessors. Imagine yourself, nervous, delighted


to have to have been appointed, possibly itching to get


on with the job you've always wanted or daunted by one


you didn't expect to get. Every Secretary of State is human,


so what's it really It is a voyage of discovery and so,


you know, you do some things at the start that you probably


wouldn't do at the end and you definitely do some things


at the end that you definitely I went into the Foreign Office


on the first day with a speech, fully prepared, to give the staff,


within minutes, literally within, I think, ten


minutes or so of arriving. A predecessor of mine described


to me that there was a blue sky out of which dark clouds and thunder


and lightning came. I don't even remember,


metaphorically speaking, the blue skies, because the grey


was there from Day 1. Well, the priority for me


was to prove to people There was scepticism about that


and I said to officials - look, I want you to argue with me


but, also, once I've made a decision, I want


you to get on with it. How Day 1 in a department goes,


depends on how you got the job. In 2010, William Hague entered


the Foreign Office, having already met in Opposition


the Permanent Secretary, to discuss what he


might do on Day 1. We ended up having a dinner,


inside the headquarters Now in what other country


in the world does an Opposition figure plan the next


Government with the officials, inside the headquarters


of the intelligence agency? But, being appointed,


after a general election, When I turned up, I think I'd


probably not got my head into that mode, as much as I would have done,


had I been pretty certain I was going to hold my seat and,


therefore, I think those first few days, looking back,


were wasted days for me. It took me the weekend


to actually think - well, I have got the job,


now what do I want to do? Ed Balls knew there was a chance


Gordon Brown would give him a job but as Day 1 started,


he clearly wasn't sure. I was doing an interview


at 7.30am, live on BBC Leeds. As I was doing the interview my


mobile phone rang and they could hear it down the line,


the interviewers, I looked I said, "I can't answer this live


on the radio." Then it rang off and the presenters


from BBC Leeds said, "Oh my gosh, you've


missed your chance." And there was a little bit of me


which was slightly worried Sadly, once you are in office,


there's no guarantee For the first few days,


indeed the first couple of weeks, I was sitting at a desk


with some partitions, I then graduated to a meeting


room and eventually So, you know, it was


like a rickety start-up. And, of course, for those who do


have be a office on Day 1, you never know what you're


going to find in it. And as part of the process


of finding out what happens in a department, we came


across a slide show that said - It was when I was doing


the job in Opposition. I have to say, it probably


was the least successful bit of lobbying the department


has ever done. From Day 2 and onwards,


you learn how to do the job better. It turned out to be much more useful


to set up a crisis centre that could cope with any crisis,


the ones that you haven't predicted, than to try to predict what crisis


was going to happen next. I learnt that after,


you know, ten months or so. As a flock of new ministers


are taking up their roles, don't imagine their Day 1


as a Secretary of State puts them in any less of a flap than Day 1


in any job does to any of us. Our Gilles there. He has done a


series of mini documentaries on the great offices of the Secretary of


State. If any of the new incumbents are watching, I'm sure we could find


a box set and you can hit the ground running. Sam, it took Margaret


Thatcher four or five years to get the Cabinet she wanted. Are you


surprised that Mrs May has done it in 24 hours? Not hugely. She seems


to have shown a certain amount of pre-planning in everything she has


done in the early hours of her Premiership. I find her style


absolutely fascinating. And very different from David Cameron. This


reshuffle shows her incredible self-confidence. It was definitely


ballsy, definitely, possibly even foolhardy when we see how it plays


out. What she has done, whereas David Cameron put people he was very


close to in senior jobs, particularly George Osborne, people


he was never going to disagree with, in public or in private, what May


hae has done is lined up a load has lined up big beasts who all have


completely different views on the biggest job this Government has to


do. So you have the challenge of Brexit coming down the track, which


will be the single biggest thing this Government has to do and she


has brought in David Davis to run the Brexit department, Boris Johnson


to run the Foreign Office, and Philip Hammond to run are the


Treasury and you couldn't get more divergent views about how to deal


with Brexit from David Hammond and David Davis. One threatened a WTO


tariff system and Philip Hammond wants to remain as close as we can.


What that means, there is only one place in in the Government, Theresa


May, she has to synthesize and unite a divergent top team. Now, if she


turns out to be an absolutely brilliant man and woman manager,


that's great. If she isn't, God help Britain. Well, you may not be


surprised. I am I'm surprised by the scale of it, and I'm surprised it


snted just about men and women, it is about quite a substantial change


in the structure of Whitehall that has taken place, in departments as


well. Which can only men she's been think being this for a long time?


Oh, yes. It struck me, Andrew, you have been sitting there in


interviews, and I'm sure this has never happened to you and you have


occasionally thought, I'm sure it doesn't happen to you, I could clear


out everybody. She had that work place fantasy and has put it into


practice. It wasn't something that has done every night. And


particularly the boring nitty gritty meets, that departmental change


including education. So she has a view certain things don't work well


in the Government. She didn't think it was worth bothering to talk to


David Cameron and George Osborne about, that she didn't think it with


get very far. She had a famously testy relationship with George


Osborne. She had it down on a piece of paper. It makes me think she was


the only person who thought she was definitely going to become the Prime


Minister. It is a no mercy change. Sam talks about the balance. : It is


a breaksity-heavy Cabinet and we saw people like Andrea Leadsom, only a


week ago, a competitor, fell foul of Theresa May and with everybody with


her daft remarks but is thought, DEFRA isn't right for her, there is


an element of revenge. It does have a Brexit feel to t because she has


put the three Brexiteers, Boris, Johnson, Liam Fox, David Davis into


the key posts for Brexit. Of course, given they are not exactly best


friends, the three amigos, so we shall see what happens there, but


the bigger challenge is not people, the bigger challenge is she made


enormous almost Ed Miliband-esque speech before she walked into


Downing Street earlier this week. That's fine. Largely rhetoric. How


you turn that into policy is a much bigger chal in. Absolutely. She --


challenge. She has been think being this for years, if you go back to a


speech she made in 2013. It was nigh on identical to the speech she gave


on the steps of number ten and an article she wrote in the Times on


Monday. That's the length of time she has been planning this but you


are right, actually for me, the biggest challenge for Theresa May is


not the things you mentioned, it is the fact she has a majority of 12.


Now a majority of 12, at a time when her in-tray is more complicated and


fraught than at any time in my lifetime. And also an op Opposition


in chaos, which makes the majority of 12 bigger in practice. She has


picked on one faction, the modernised and taken them out and


had them shot. They will be on the bdgess, possibly grumbling and being


unhelpful. You have the people supporting Andrea Leadsom. The Lead


bangers. What are you calling them? I believe they were called the Led


Bangers. A tribute band. They could cause problems as well. So


parliamentary votes are going to be tough at a time when we have


difficult issues coming down the track. All right, thank you for


that. Well speaking of Labour, while the attention has been on our new


Prime Minister and deet, the turmoil inside the Labour Party continues.


One of the two Labour figures planning to challenge


Jeremy Corbyn for the leadership, Owen Smith, was due to formally


He cancelled that event because of the attack in Nice,


Owe web Smith, welcome. Let me begin -- Owen Smith, welcome, let me begin


with Nice. I know you will want to say something but as you do, if the


terrorists are now moving beyond the capital city, Nice is a major


regional city, a long way from the capital. We have major cities a long


way from the capital, are you satisfied that we have the scale and


speed of an articled response in this country, if we face similar


terrorist attacks? Well, first of all Andrew, can you just say on


approximate - behalf of the Labour movement if you like how awful the


attack in Nice was. I woke this morning to seat full detail of it


and it is horrible for any of us - if anybody who has a family or any


sense of how dreadful these events must be for the people involved, it


is just heartbreaking to see it happening again and that's why I


cancelled my launch today and I won't be campaigning, as it were


today. Look, I worked in the Northern Ireland Office, as an


advisor and I saw how brilliant our Security Services are and our police


forces in Britain at dealing with terrorism. Wref'


forces in Britain at dealing with terrorism. long history of having to


deal with terrorism and we are adept at doing it. We know there have been


many attempts of dealing with terrorism on the streets of Britain


and it has been foiled in recent years by our Security Services, the


army and the police and I'm eternally grateful to those people


for standing guard over us. But we also know that the Security Services


would tell us that when individuals, such as the man who has done this in


Nice, are determined to take life, and prepare to swap their own, it is


incredibly hard to prevent them. Whether that's in London or anywhere


else. We know that when people are determined, it's very difficult to


stop them being able to take other people's lives, if they can


sacrifice their own. I hope that we will stand safe and secure forever,


but, we know that that is not something any of us can guarantee.


Thank you for that. Let's come on to your leadership bid. You have said


the Labour Party needs new leadership but surely the person who


has shown leadership in this has been Angela Eagle. She's the one


that challenge plod Corbyn and you are leading from behind? - Mr


Corbyn. Well, Angela triggered the contest and I think many people in


the Labour Party feel Angela is owed a debt of gratitude for doing that.


I think it is now a case of those of us who also think we have got


something to say, who also think we have a challenge to make for the top


job in the Labour Party, to come out and say so and be brave enough...


But you waited for others to move before doing it yourself. Why did


you do that? You kept your head down, below the parapet and then


Angela Eagle puts her head above and then you join in. Why? If you want


the honest answer, Andrew, what happened was I resigned on the


Monday, I went to Wales on the Monday evening, and my wife rang me


to tell me my brother had been taken seriously ill. I went to an A


department with him on that Monday evening and I was with him on 29


hours. I came out on the Wednesday to be met with a barrage of phone


calls, hundreds of phone calls from members and colleagues in the Labour


Party, urging me to consider putting my hat into the ring, I thought hard


about it, over the following days, I met again with Jeremy on that


Thursday and again on the Monday and on both occasions, asking him to


consider what compromise he could reach in order to stop what I think


will be a divisive leadership contest because I think we


desperately need to heal and unite the Labour Party. In the end I


felted there was no compromise that could be reached and therefore a


challenge to Jeremy was the only thing that might bring about unity


in the Labour Party, which is so vital because we have a Tory


Government, the Labour Party needs to be set to oppose it and more


importantly be a radical and credible Government-in-waiting.


On what policy areas do you disagree with Angela Eagle. Angela hasn't


laid out a policy platform. I have started laying out pine, I have said


clearly up front I think Brexit is potentially going to be enormously


bad for the economy, we need to say to the current Government we need a


seat at the table but more importantly we trusted the people to


make a decision last time round, we now need to see how this deal


unfolds. If it is not as good as people were hoping for we should


trust the people to make the decision. That isn't what I asked


you, are you telling me as far as you're aware, there are no policy


differences between you and Angela Eagle? I am not saying that a all. I


am saying one policy difference is I have said there should be a second


referendum to give people a chance... They may agree with that,


he is a strong pro-EU politician. I am not here to say that. Other than


Trident, who policy areas do you disagree Mr Corbyn? Let me go back


to Angela or Jeremy. Inequality is a massive problem for our country.


Miss Eagle and MrCorbyn are saying that too. Mrs May says that, where


are the differences? I propose we should do something about that and


change the constitution of the Labour Party, change clause four in


order to reflect our desire to reduce inequalities of power and


wealth and opportunity. Hold on, your answer to inequality is to


change the Labour Party constitution, that is a policy


difference? That is the first one. The second thing we should do is put


our money where our mouth is on austerity, anti-austerity is the


right policy for the Labour Party. You all agree with that? We need to


go beyond slogan, I would propose that we institute an enormous


building programme in Britain. I would propose there is a British new


deal, if you like, ?200 billion investment programme for social and


physical infrastructure in Britain, we have allowed our social and


physical infrastructure to languish for far too long, we have allowed


decay, there are potholes in the streets of Britain but also problems


with schools, with the social care, lack of vocational education,


housing is a disaster, the only way we will address that is if we have


an active interventionist Government. Perhaps where I differ


with both, and Jeremy, is that I feel that both New Labour and Jeremy


have been too timid. New Labour wasn't bold enough, despite many of


the great things it did. Let us not go back to New Labour. We haven't


got much time. Let us look forward a bit here, Labour has already lost


Scotland. You don't look like getting that back any time soon.


Explain to the viewers how a second referendum on the deal that will be


done, how will that help you among Labour voters in the north, a lot of


whom voted to leave? I lot voted to leave in Wales, lots of the people I


grew up with in my constituency feel they were sold a pup. What is the


evidence for that? The evidence is anecdotally talking to people on the


streets across this country and some polling evidence. What is the


polling evidence? The evidence of the lie is clearly. What is the


actual, as oppose to people you talktor, what is the evidence there


is now a huge buyers' remorse? I didn't say that, I said I think


there is out there a sense that some of the things that were promised, an


extra ?350 billion a week for the NHS. I think it was promised. It was


not promise for this week, they don't get the money until we leave.


We are still paying, if I am just asking, because you have said this


many times as if people are is suddenly changed their mind, they


think we voted the wrong way, it's a big claim. You need to give us the


evidence to substantiate it I have said it a couple of time, my view is


we trusted the British people to make the decision I think lots of


people now feel that the terms of that decision, what they thought


they were buying, more money for the NHS, controls on immigration aren't


going to be realised, certainly not in the way the simplistic terms they


were promised. I think it is reasonable for a Labour Government


that does believe that we should be in Europe, and at the heart of


Europe to say to people we trusted you to take the decision now we


trust you to look at what is negotiated over the next two years,


18 months, and determine whether that is what you want. The analogy I


would use, you wouldn't buy a car without having a look under the


engine and checking it worked. Well, that is what we have been asked to


do with Brexit. Now we have an opportunity to test-drive the car,


if you like, over the next 18 month period and check whether we want to


buy it. I suspect many of your voters will think you are trying to


redo the referendum and get a different result, that will play


into Ukip. We will see on that, but let me ask you this, if you want to


see off Mr Corbyn, don't you and Miss Eagle have to make up your


minds which one is going to do it. Surely there should be only one


candidate in this race, who is it going to be? I agree, I think there


is a widespread view there should only be one challenger. I How will


you get there? I am not sure it is not for me to determine as to how we


get there, I am prepared to submit to whatever mechanism, whether it is


the deputy leader of the party or the parliamentary leadership of the


party or the PLP itself, we need to find a mechanism to get to there. I


will stand by whatever that decision is. Thank you for joining us.


Let's get the latest from Nice now and talk


to our correspondent there, Andrew Plant.


Andrew, good afternoon to you there, in Nice, the city must be in a


terrible state at the moment, as must all of France, what is the


latest that you can tell us? There is a lot going on here in Nice right


now, every few minutes we are aware of a new police siren go past, we


have heard more information in the last half hour, you might be able to


see the top of the truck. Yes, we can see it. You can probably just


see the top of the truck. That is the one you have seen pictures with


the bullet holes in the window, that was driven down here last night. We


know in the cab they found personal items, they found bank cards,


wallet. They have raided a house somewhere here, we don't know where


and what they have recovered. French media are naming a man, they say he


is a 31-year-old local man, possibly of Tunisian heritage, his name is


Mohammed, so that is the latest information from here, that is what


has been said on French media but we haven't had any formal confirmation


from the police. What word now, we understand on the latest figures


there were, 84 fatalities, including ten children, but there are still


about 100 people in hospital and some of them are in intensive care


and on the critical list, do we know more about that? Yes, mine that is


what people are having to come to terms with, here today. I can't


swing my camera round because of the amount of media that are here, if I


could I would be able to show you a lot of people standing at the end of


the road here, next to a barrier, there are lots of barricades, you


can't move freely for obvious reasons, there is a shrine beginning


to develop. Lots of flowers being laid. People standing there. You


have to be careful where you point your camera, they are having to come


to terms with what happened on their street, their town, their firework


display when they should have been having a good time, instead these


terrible events happened. The death toll stands at 84 but there are some


severely injured people and it wouldn't be a surprise if that went


up, Andrew. Thank you for that, live from Nice, the city, the region, the


country, of course in a state of shock, and will continue that way


through the weekend and into next week, it will be a harrowing tile


when the funerals begin of those killed in that a tack.


We've been joined by Maajid Nawaz from the Quilliam Foundation,


Is there any reason we can divine as to why France is bearing the brunt


of these attacks in Europe? There is. Two years ago an IS spokesman,


it hasn't been claimed by IS but the signs are there. A spokesperson


instructed their followers to engage in precisely this type of attack,


using cars to mow people down on the streets. In that instruction, he


specified and high lighted France in particular, for such an attack, so


we have to think why do they have a particular grudge? One is


pragmatism, a lot of recruits come from France, France, unlike Britain


is on continental Europe it is easier to attack in France than in


Britain, though we are overdue an attack here as well. The other is,


they Maziar Bahari a grudge against France for things such as the stance


on the Charlie Hebdo cartoons and free speech, which is a laudable


stance and the ban of face Israels. They have taken such a ban


personally and they wish to attack France as a symbol of western


enlightenment and freedoms. Are we right to be puzzled, but grateful,


that we haven't had so far, a similar attack in this country? In


recent years? Yes, I think part of the reason is the fact there is the


English Channel in the middle and we have controlled our own border, it


makes it harder to get here but to acquire guns for those here already,


I must say, Andrew, I think that we are long overdue an attack, I want


the nation to be prepared for the tragic day something like that


happens here soon. I am frankly surprised it hasn't happened yet. I


mean, we take. Co-fort, it is certainly harder to get automatic


weapons in this country than in France, in France it is maybe not as


easy as America but there are a lot of weapons in France f you want


them, this guy was a criminal, you can get a hold of them. But this was


not a terrorist attack, it did involve a weapon but it didn't seem


to be the most important thing, I mean, anybody can rent a truck one


day, and find a way of driving it into a huge crowd the next day.


Hamas has been doing this for years, they realised it was difficult to


penetrate security barriers so they decided to change tactic and find


every day weapons like cars to turn them into weapons and mow people


down at bus stops which they have been doing. Global Jihadis in 2010


instructed their followers to adopt a strategy. IS adopted a similar


strategy. I wouldn't be surprised to see in the UK, a city not in the


capital, a soft target, such as a celebration on the streets and


festival, or a national holiday, and a car or other such similar daily


tools being used. Something unexceptional. Absolutely. It can


have a similar effect on the psyche of the nation. A lot of people were


saying to me on social media our intelligence services are so


wonderful that is why we have not been attacked. It is true they have


thwarted a number of attacks but it is true the French police thwarted


attacks as recently as the European football competition. When I speak


to the services they are the first people to say we can't stop


everything. It is kind of, it is wrong and unfair to expect our


intelligence services to get everything. Of course they are not


going to stop everything. What I would encourage the authorities to


do is prepare for the response when an attack happens, that mustn't only


be a legal and CT response. Counter-terrorism. Yes, what we need


in place is a response within communities, now it is clear we must


not letterrieses divide it. Something, we have to acknowledge is


yes, terrorists mustn't divide communities but we need a strategy


to engage in this struggle. That will be an uncomfortable


conversation, Muslims and non-Muslims need to stand together


to challenge the ideology that underpins this terrorism. It won't


be easy. It wasn't when people started challenging racism and


homophobia, but the battles were one, this is a similar struggle. The


new Prime Minister and new Government, given all the changes,


given what has happened in France, given the enduring and ongoing


danger still in this country, they will have to give more thought to


this, they will have to do more than has been done so far and think of


new ways. Absolutely. Theresa May has had a sterling record at the


Home Office, with what she hasn't had to deal with is the community


cohesion brief. Prime Minister Cameron, during his tenure, adopted


a full spectrum approach. Her views have evolved to accepting the need


for a full spectrum whole of society approach. It remains to be seen how


committed she is. I am sure it has moved up her agenda.


He ran the Bank of England for ten years, steering the British economy


alongside the occupants of Number 11 Downing Street - first Gordon Brown,


then Alistair Darling, and finally, George Osborne.


Now Mervyn King is keen to encourage state schools to get their school


Like these children, I too learnt to play cricket


Mine was in Yorkshire, in the primary school in Old Town


Today we're in London but the spirit is the same, playing in a team


He ran the Bank of England for ten years, steering the British economy


That's pretty good preparation for the world of work.


But good schools know that opportunities like this are a part


But over the years it's become more and more difficult for state schools


to provide opportunities to children, to take part in


extra-curricular activities, whether it is sport,


or music or drama, or a host of other activities in


That's why a decade ago the charity Chance to Shine was started.


It set out to regenerate cricket in state schools.


Because, to learn how to win and how to lose,


that teams comprise people with different skills and abilities,


and that respect for the opposition, is an essential part of competition,


really altogether mean the spirit of cricket,


There is more to education than simply the National Curriculum.


And more than any other sport, cricket crosses social,


There is more to education than simply the National Curriculum.


And more than any other sport, cricket crosses social,


Chance to Shine has now reached over 11,000 state schools and more


than 3 million children have been given the chance to learn cricket


It has helped to build confidence, motivation, and the aspirations


My dream job would be to be captain of Worcestershire and England.


I had to be Governor of the Bank of England instead.


I think I would rather have captained Worcestershire.


Well, certainly cricket seems to have ensured


children for their lunch today but more significantly,


we hope that cricket will enthuse their appetite for many


other interests and subjects and to raise their aspirations by giving


Chance to Shine is not aiming to produce the next England


star but to use cricket to broaden educational experience.


So, ask not what these children could do for cricket,


but what cricket can do for our children.


Welcome to the programme. There is a systemic problem for cricket for


schools, isn't there? It is the time it takes, if you are teachers giving


up a Saturday or an evening, you do rugby, football, hockey, whatever,


it doesn't take so long but cricket can last all day. It is demanding? .


It doesn't have to be now. I mean with T 20 in the professional game


and of course in the schools actually playing the game you can


play it for any length of time you like. We provide all the resources


to schools. The aim of this is to add a new dimension to the life of a


school,ies headteachers love it. They do? Absolutely? Are you going


to win this battle. I was looking at the ECB, by that I don't mean the


European Central Bank. Something much more important. The English


Cricket Board. They carried out a major survey, 60,000 Europeans


playing the sport at the grassroots level than the previous year. Can


you reverse that? We can, but the main thing is to get it going in


schools. That's what we want to do. Because of the educational benefit


of playing a team sport. You can see in some of the film but we have seen


it in many schools around the country, that we find children from


different ethnic and gender backgrounds all play together. They


don't notice the differents. They are all part of the same team. I


think that's a wonderful preparation for the world of work. Cricket is an


interesting sport. You can be both highly individual but you are part


of a team. At tennis you are an individual. Football is a kind of


team, although there are famous individuals in that but cricket,


combines the individuality and a collective objective? Exactly and


this is' why it is the perfect preparation for the world of work


later on. - and that's Y Where individual performances matters but


so does the team. Did cricket help you when you were governor. Bank of


England? It helped me if I was at school. I don't think I would have


taken my academic focus as seriously as I did, had I not had the chance


to play cricket and do other things like drama and chess. All of the


things which a good school provads and which many states schools have


not been able to provide. We make sure we can take cricket to a school


t doesn't cost them anything, either in time or money and we add to the


dimensions. You can provide it - when we played football, two jackets


down, and a ball. We can provide everything and the coaches. That's


the main thing. Do we have the grounds? No, but many schools or


clubs make available their grounds and at primary school level, there


are markings in play grounds. You can use it there. That film was


filmed in Waterloo in central London in a playground within the school.


Of course, lots of second, third generation kids, immigrant families


now, they come from cricketing countries, don't they? That must be


a plus It is a big plus and thatp integration is a key part of the


programme. You soo he it right around the country where people


forget whatever ethnic backgrounds they have and they are all playing


on the same team. And, part of the danger has been, with the decline,


it has become a state school/private school business, cricket has become


more dominated by private schools as some of the state schools have moved


away. And that's what you are out to reverse? Yes, only 7% of children go


to private schools but they account for far more of the professional


game. What we want to do, rather like Theresa May with her Cabinet


and also the tragic events in Nice, what this brings home, is the


importance to put, to make a success of o you are state schools and to do


it in a way that breaks down the ethnic divides. Since I have got you


here. You were governor when we cut rates to 0.5%. Seven years ago, I


think now. Yes. I bet you, when you did that, you never thought that


seven years later t would still be 0.5% Absolutely rightful and indeed


every minister and Central Bank governor in the G7, who met in


Washington in 2008, after the collapse of Lehman Brothers, at the


height of the crisis, no-one imagined that eight years on, we


would be where we are today. And this - explain something to me - on


Wednesday, I think afternoon, Roycers gives us Reuters gives us a


poll of the economists, largely based on the city but beyond that,


in which 80% of them are pretty sure the governor is going to cut rates


on Thursday morning and, of course the governor doesn't cut rates. I


mean do they say that on a wing or a prayer, or does the bank give out


signals that that's maybe what it is going to do? Well, we never gave out


signals. I think the lesson is this - don't bother to look at opinion


polls of economists. There is no need to. All you need to do now, we


have a very good system a Monetary Policy Committee of nine members.


Just wait. Once a month they will reveal their decision. And voted 8-1


not to do it. So the economists couldn't be more wrong. Of course


they may do it in August there. Have been indications they may well do


it. Is it fair to say, putting all the project fear away, is that given


that the economy was already slowing down earlier this year and seems to


have done since April onwards, that in this quarter and the next quarter


we are likely to go through, maybe not a recession but certainly a


slowdown? I think we certainly should expect some sort of slowdown.


Clearly there is uncertainty now with the new situation, leaving the


European Union. That would mean that some investment projects will be put


on hold but we simply don't know how serious it will be and we don't have


any data to suggest that. So there has been a slight degree of hysteria


in the reaction in the last three weeks, obviously primarily among the


political class which has been tearing itself... And some of the


media, too Media and the political class tearing themselves to pieces


and wildly exaggerating things and I hope now we will able to calm down


and get back to a proper programme of work to make this departure from


the European Union a workable success, which we can certainly do.


If they all went and either watched or played a good game of cricket I'm


sure they would have a better judgment. They certainly would.


Thank you very much. On Monday morning David Cameron


was still Prime Minister and the nation was looking forward


to a long summer contest between Theresa May


and Andrea Leadsom over At the end of another tumultuous


week in politics we thought we'd look back at the events of the last


five days. I have concluded that the interests


of our country are best-served by the immediate appointment of a


strong and well-supported Prime Minister.


THE SPEAKER: Questions to the Prime Minister.


Mr Speak e this morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues


and others. Other than one meeting this afternoon with Her Majesty The


Queen, the diary for the rest of my day is remarkably light.


I have just been to Buckingham Palace where Her Majesty The Queen


has asked me to form a new Government and I accepted.


It is inevitable that there is going to be a certain amount of plaster


coming off the ceiling in the chanceries of Europe. It wasn't the


result that they were expecting. CLAPS AND BOOS


There we go, another, another historic week in British politics. A


minute left. 30 seconds to each of you for your thoughts on where we go


from here? Where we go from here is that Theresa May, after all those


snrours been delivered and everyone sent their congratulations, she


really has it settle down. There has to be a really strong centre to this


Government. She has quite a separated team as we reflected


earlier but at the same time, she has a big job, one job by which she


will be judged, how does Brexit go. Brexit was exit for David Cameron.


For her, her chance, she has the team and reorganisation and now she


has the big chance. I just don't know how we get it a year from here?


I can't see quite what we are going to do on Brexit? I can't see how you


square demands to stay close to the single market with what the public


think they voted for in a referendum on immigration and I think that will


be the defining question question of her Government and if she solved


that everything else unfolds well for her after that but it will be


very hard. Perfect timing, we must have the two of you back. Thank you


very much. Thank you to all of my guests.


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