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Good afternoon, welcome to the Daily Politics. | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
Terror returns to France, this time in the South. | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
At least 84 people are killed after a lorry ploughs through packed | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
crowds gathering for Bastille Day celebrations | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
President Hollande arrives in Nice having led the condemnation | :00:52. | :01:00. | |
France's nationwide state of emergency, in place | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
since the terror attacks in Paris, will be extended by three months. | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
Back in Britain, with her new Cabinet in place, | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
Theresa May begins to focus on the challenges ahead. | :01:13. | :01:14. | |
At the end of a tumultuous week, we assess the start of the May Era. | :01:15. | :01:23. | |
And the former Governor of the Bank of England, Mervyn King, | :01:24. | :01:25. | |
joins us to talk about the economy, Brexit and cricket! | :01:26. | :01:35. | |
All that in the next hour, and with us for the duration, | :01:36. | :01:38. | |
Sam Coates of the Times, and Anne McElvoy of the Economist. | :01:39. | :01:41. | |
Last night, as thousands gathered to celebrate Bastille Day | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
in the southern France city of Nice, a horrifying | :01:46. | :01:47. | |
A man driving a lorry killed at least 84 people, | :01:48. | :01:56. | |
including 10 children, as he ploughed through the crowds | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
on the Promenade des Anglais, pedestrianised for the evening, | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
swerving and zigzagging in an attempt to maximise the death toll. | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
The lorry was finally stopped after over a mile of carnage, | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
President Francois Hollande has said the attack was of "an undeniable | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
Speaking in the last hour, the Prime Minister Theresa May said | :02:17. | :02:26. | |
the UK stand shoulder to shoulder with France. | :02:27. | :02:32. | |
I'm shocked and saddened by the horrifying attack | :02:33. | :02:34. | |
Our hearts go out to the French people and to all those who have | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
The full picture is still emerging and it seems | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
at least 80 people are feared dead and many others injured. | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
These were innocent victims enjoying a national celebration | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
We are working urgently to establish whether any British nationals | :02:53. | :02:58. | |
Our ambassador is travelling to Nice today with consular staff | :02:59. | :03:05. | |
and they will be doing all they can to help anyone affected. | :03:06. | :03:08. | |
I've asked my deputy national security advisor to chair a Cobra | :03:09. | :03:11. | |
meeting of senior officials, to review what we know | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
and what we can do to help and I will speak | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
to President Hollande today and make sure that the United Kingdom stands | :03:20. | :03:22. | |
shoulder-to-shoulder with France today, as we have done so often | :03:23. | :03:25. | |
If, as we fear, this was a terrorist attack, | :03:26. | :03:32. | |
then we must redouble our efforts to defeat these brutal murderers, | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
We must work with France and our partners around the world | :03:36. | :03:43. | |
to stand up for our values and for our freedom. | :03:44. | :03:50. | |
And the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson also gave his | :03:51. | :03:53. | |
Obviously our thoughts are very much with the people of France and Nice. | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
I think there will be ministerial meatings later on today to discuss | :03:59. | :04:05. | |
the implications for this country, if any. | :04:06. | :04:07. | |
I don't at this time know of any read across or implications | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
Clearly, if this is a terrorist incident - | :04:12. | :04:18. | |
it represents a continuing threat to us in the whole of Europe | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
We've been joined by the BBC's security | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
Welcome back to the programme. Is it significant that no Islamist group | :04:29. | :04:41. | |
has yet claimed responsibility? No, not at all. They didn't claim | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
responsibility for the Ataturk airport attack in Istanbul. There | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
have been several attacks which have gone unclaimed but there is no doubt | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
in the investigators' minds and analysts who study this stuff and | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
think-tanks elsewhere this is inspired by so-called Islamic State. | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
There was a call to arms as it were back in September 2014 by the IS | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
spokesman, who called for exactly these kind of attack, that was | :05:12. | :05:17. | |
followed in December 2014 by a couple of much smaller and nothing | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
like as devastating vehicle attacks in the French cities of Dijon and | :05:23. | :05:29. | |
Nantes, but nothing on this scale. So, I would be very surprised if | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
this isn't linked in some way to IS, even if this guy was operating on | :05:34. | :05:39. | |
his own, he will probably have got inxxxx inspired in some way, he had | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
a petty criminal record but no known links, we will have to see what the | :05:45. | :05:51. | |
investigators say, this will be I am certain in response to the military | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
pressure that IS, Isis is under in Syria and in Iraq, they are losing | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
territory, they are losing recruits, commanders and this is their way of | :06:01. | :06:05. | |
lashing out at soft targets. What more do we know about -- pepper | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
traytor, born in Tunisia, but lived in France. What else do we know | :06:11. | :06:17. | |
about him? I am not sure he had French nationality, he is Tunisian | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
born, 31, unconfirmed reports have named him, but I am 23409 going to | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
give the name in case they are wrong. He is of north African | :06:27. | :06:35. | |
heritage, he had a police record for theft, traffic offence, violence, | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
but no known links to terrorism. He was not on the watch list, 3,000 | :06:41. | :06:47. | |
strong. This is another sign that the French domestic intelligence | :06:48. | :06:49. | |
agency needs to get on top of the problem, you can put thousands of | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
troops on the street, you can raise the national terror threat level, | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
you can extend the state of emergency but if it is not stopping | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
attacks from people who are known to the police, that his need to do a | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
better job. Given what he did, which was to | :07:05. | :07:11. | |
drive a truck into a crowd in a sense, he was armed but the south of | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
France as we know is awash with arms, could he have done this on his | :07:16. | :07:21. | |
own? Did he need a support group or could you just have planned this... | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
He rented the truck on Thursday, did he need a support group to do it? | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
No, he didn't but I think, if you talk to people who study these | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
things they say there is no such thing as a pure lone wolf attack, is | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
a cliche, it is like an awful cliche, all the hallmarks of a | :07:39. | :07:44. | |
Jihadi attack. It is unlikely to have been a completely sole | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
operator, once they have his digital footprint and who he has been in | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
contact with, on his phone, through encrypted apps, whatever mean, | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
almost certainly it will transpire he has been in touch with somebody, | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
he will have been viewing extremist propaganda material, and been | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
radicalised passive sieve as it were, by what he is seeing and | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
viewing, or more likely he has been in touch with people who have | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
encouraged him to do this. I think, it is unlikely that he was sent by | :08:14. | :08:20. | |
IS from Syria, let us see, there has been a mixture, if you look at the | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
Bataclan tact in November and Brussels, there has been a mix of | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
people who have been trained in Syria and others who haven't been | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
necessarily left Europe to carry out these attacks. This was actually | :08:31. | :08:37. | |
depressing and shocking that for such a high profile event with | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
thousands of people, that the French security, which was braced in, you | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
know, in the wake of these attacks and warnings, braced for something | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
like this they weren't able to stop it. I want, that brings me on to the | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
next question, before I ask it I want to make clear the person to | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
blame for what happened is the man who drove the truck and those who | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
support him, not the police. Or the security services. Absolutely. But | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
to ask you this, did they make a mistake, which turned out to be | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
fatal? I mean I have been to these events in the south of France. The | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
Promenade des Anglais, the road is Klossed for the night. They | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
pedestrian nice it, you can walk up and down, which meant it was easy | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
for him once he got on to the promenade. He didn't have to go on | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
the pavement. He could mow them down right down on the street, should the | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
police not have had barrier, have stopped anything from getting on to | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
the promenade? I would, first I totally agree with you, I think | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
there is a tendency in these things to lash out at the people who are | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
trying to stop this carnage, when you are right, we need to remember | :09:46. | :09:51. | |
the person to blame for this is the perpetrator, and the ideology behind | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
it, that is asouping as this does appear to be a politically or | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
terrorism motivated attack, but I think coming on to your point, -- | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
assuming. It's a failure of imagination I would call it, and | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
this is, I think, a generic failure of many intelligence agencies, I | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
think it applies to MI5 our own security service, ten years ago | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
where they didn't have the imagination to understand that some | :10:18. | :10:20. | |
of the people who were seeking shelter in London and using the | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
London as a platform to attack countries in the Middle East, that | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
these people were quite dangerous, they have learned a lot since then, | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
and that is one of the reasons why so far we haven't had a successful | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
attack because they have got a lot better and trying to predict these | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
things and think outside the box. To me this was a fail you to plan event | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
if -- effectively. To think what if, people need to read team it, put | :10:49. | :10:51. | |
your mind in the mind of a terse Ritz, if you want to attack | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
something, think of a way to do it. Your can't foresee everything, but | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
they should have been able to foresee this, what happens if | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
somebody gets a big vehicle and gets through that? It is carnage, that is | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
what happened, they should have predict it. One final question, | :11:10. | :11:15. | |
Charlie Hebdo, November in Paris and now this, one weeps for France, | :11:16. | :11:22. | |
don't you. You do, France is the number one target of opportunity for | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
Jihadist, let us try and keep an hope mind, this looked like a Jihadi | :11:28. | :11:34. | |
attack but so did Anders Breivik and motives for what he had to say, | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
no-one has claimed responsibility for this yet but it looks like it. | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
Either way France is right up there at the top of the target list for | :11:45. | :11:50. | |
Islamic State, because it has pushed back Al-Qaeda. It is taking part in | :11:51. | :11:55. | |
air strikes in Syria and Iraq, and it has the burqa ban, it has been | :11:56. | :12:02. | |
particularly right up there, forward leaning, in confronting Islamist | :12:03. | :12:04. | |
extremism. It has made itself a target. Britain is a target too, so | :12:05. | :12:10. | |
is Belgium, France, Germany. In France there is the perfect storm of | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
a few discontented individuals who have been drawn to jiesm. You have | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
the banlieue where people no stake in their country, you have got | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
relatively open border, easy access to automatic weapons, the list goes | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
on. I know you have a busy day I am grateful you had time to join us. | :12:32. | :12:39. | |
We think there are ten children dead at least and the fact this was so | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
clearly an attack and that summary brought this home. It is an attack | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
on a family day, an attack on targeted on people doing the most | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
relaxed and enjoyable things. A family night out. I don't mean to | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
say an attack on anything else is any less thankic, think the worst | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
thing in your imagination a terrorist, if so it is, could do, | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
and this really would be very high on the list, precisely because as | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
you say the size of the coffin, the range of the victims. He knew there | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
would be families. Huge Muslim population in Nice too, there would | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
be plenty of Muslim families walking along the promenade. He knew the | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
promenade, he in normal times you can't do it, it is bumper-to-bumper | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
traffic he knew last night, because it was closed, he would be able to | :13:32. | :13:37. | |
do what he wanted to do. And the manner of the attack subjects every | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
aspect of the planning of it was designed to heighten the impact, and | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
that would include going after family, and children, that would | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
include picking an extremely high profile day in the French calendar | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
and a place where the celebrations are, particularly prominent and | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
well-known, so there is no doubt about that. I mean, I think we are | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
entering an interesting debate, Frank Gardner was saying, they | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
should have predicted this, those were his words, it seems hard to see | :14:09. | :14:13. | |
for security services in Britain, in France, to gain absolutely every | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
incident like this, as we look back and look for someone to maybe | :14:18. | :14:23. | |
apportion blame to, there are a lot of people in France, the single | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
biggest supplier of terrorists to Islamic State, according to some | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
analysis, and there is clearly a problem across the country with | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
disaffected people, going to Islamic State to fight in that Jihadi | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
conflict there. It will be incredibly hard for the French | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
security service that are suffering, that have suffered their third | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
massive, terrible tragic terrorist attack, to keep tabs on everything | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
that confronts them. We are learning that the British police in the UK | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
are reviewing security round every major event over the next seven | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
New Prime Minister Theresa May completed the task of appointing | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
Despite having been billed as the continuity candidate, | :15:07. | :15:09. | |
Mrs May made some far-reaching changes, bringing new faces | :15:10. | :15:12. | |
into the Government, ousting many of David Cameron's | :15:13. | :15:14. | |
closest allies, and even re-organising Whitehall departments. | :15:15. | :15:16. | |
After the four great offices of state had been given | :15:17. | :15:19. | |
to Boris Johnson, Philip Hammond, Michael Fallon and Amber Rudd, | :15:20. | :15:22. | |
the Prime Minister announced two new positions for prominent | :15:23. | :15:24. | |
Brexit campaigners - David Davis becoming the Minister | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
in charge of Exiting the EU, and Liam Fox taking on the role | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
of Secretary of State for International Trade. | :15:34. | :15:35. | |
The changes were more radical than many had anticipated, | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
Mrs May has created a new department for Business, Energy | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
and Industrial Strategy, led by Greg Clark, which merges | :15:44. | :15:46. | |
And responsibility for higher education has been given | :15:47. | :15:58. | |
to new Education Secretary, Justine Greening. | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
Just four cabinet positions have stayed in the same hands - | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
Michael Fallon at defence, Jeremy Hunt at ealth, | :16:09. | :16:16. | |
Michael Fallon at defence, Jeremy Hunt at health, | :16:17. | :16:18. | |
Welsh Secretary Alun Cairns and Scottish Secretary David | :16:19. | :16:20. | |
Theresa May removed many high profile figures | :16:21. | :16:27. | |
from the previous government, sacking George Osborne, | :16:28. | :16:29. | |
Michael Gove, Nicky Morgan and Stephen Crabb. | :16:30. | :16:31. | |
She also cleared out David Cameron's advisers from Downing Street, | :16:32. | :16:33. | |
replacing them with her trusted aides Fiona Hill and Nick Timothy, | :16:34. | :16:36. | |
She has included seven Leave campaigners in her cabinet, | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
Theresa May had been expected to appoint more women to cabinet, | :16:43. | :17:04. | |
but in the end the number increased by just 1 to 8. | :17:05. | :17:07. | |
So, how will the new Secretaries of State be feeling today? | :17:08. | :17:09. | |
And what will be at the top of the agenda on their | :17:10. | :17:12. | |
Giles has been talking to some of their predecessors. | :17:13. | :17:24. | |
Er We are told that there are more people that went to state school in | :17:25. | :17:31. | |
this Government, since Attlee in 1945. So how will the new Secretary | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
of State be feeling today and what will be at the top of the agenda in | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
the first few days in the job? Our Giles has been talking to some of | :17:41. | :17:42. | |
their predecessors. Imagine yourself, nervous, delighted | :17:43. | :17:50. | |
to have to have been appointed, possibly itching to get | :17:51. | :17:52. | |
on with the job you've always wanted or daunted by one | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
you didn't expect to get. Every Secretary of State is human, | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
so what's it really It is a voyage of discovery and so, | :18:01. | :18:03. | |
you know, you do some things at the start that you probably | :18:04. | :18:12. | |
wouldn't do at the end and you definitely do some things | :18:13. | :18:14. | |
at the end that you definitely I went into the Foreign Office | :18:15. | :18:17. | |
on the first day with a speech, fully prepared, to give the staff, | :18:18. | :18:27. | |
within minutes, literally within, I think, ten | :18:28. | :18:29. | |
minutes or so of arriving. A predecessor of mine described | :18:30. | :18:31. | |
to me that there was a blue sky out of which dark clouds and thunder | :18:32. | :18:34. | |
and lightning came. I don't even remember, | :18:35. | :18:36. | |
metaphorically speaking, the blue skies, because the grey | :18:37. | :18:38. | |
was there from Day 1. Well, the priority for me | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
was to prove to people There was scepticism about that | :18:44. | :18:46. | |
and I said to officials - look, I want you to argue with me | :18:47. | :18:50. | |
but, also, once I've made a decision, I want | :18:51. | :18:53. | |
you to get on with it. How Day 1 in a department goes, | :18:54. | :18:56. | |
depends on how you got the job. In 2010, William Hague entered | :18:57. | :18:59. | |
the Foreign Office, having already met in Opposition | :19:00. | :19:09. | |
the Permanent Secretary, to discuss what he | :19:10. | :19:10. | |
might do on Day 1. We ended up having a dinner, | :19:11. | :19:13. | |
inside the headquarters Now in what other country | :19:14. | :19:15. | |
in the world does an Opposition figure plan the next | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
Government with the officials, inside the headquarters | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
of the intelligence agency? But, being appointed, | :19:25. | :19:32. | |
after a general election, When I turned up, I think I'd | :19:33. | :19:33. | |
probably not got my head into that mode, as much as I would have done, | :19:34. | :19:40. | |
had I been pretty certain I was going to hold my seat and, | :19:41. | :19:43. | |
therefore, I think those first few days, looking back, | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
were wasted days for me. It took me the weekend | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
to actually think - well, I have got the job, | :19:52. | :19:54. | |
now what do I want to do? Ed Balls knew there was a chance | :19:55. | :20:00. | |
Gordon Brown would give him a job but as Day 1 started, | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
he clearly wasn't sure. I was doing an interview | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
at 7.30am, live on BBC Leeds. As I was doing the interview my | :20:10. | :20:11. | |
mobile phone rang and they could hear it down the line, | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
the interviewers, I looked I said, "I can't answer this live | :20:16. | :20:17. | |
on the radio." Then it rang off and the presenters | :20:18. | :20:26. | |
from BBC Leeds said, "Oh my gosh, you've | :20:27. | :20:29. | |
missed your chance." And there was a little bit of me | :20:30. | :20:31. | |
which was slightly worried Sadly, once you are in office, | :20:32. | :20:34. | |
there's no guarantee For the first few days, | :20:35. | :20:43. | |
indeed the first couple of weeks, I was sitting at a desk | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
with some partitions, I then graduated to a meeting | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
room and eventually So, you know, it was | :20:53. | :21:01. | |
like a rickety start-up. And, of course, for those who do | :21:02. | :21:04. | |
have be a office on Day 1, you never know what you're | :21:05. | :21:08. | |
going to find in it. And as part of the process | :21:09. | :21:10. | |
of finding out what happens in a department, we came | :21:11. | :21:17. | |
across a slide show that said - It was when I was doing | :21:18. | :21:20. | |
the job in Opposition. I have to say, it probably | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
was the least successful bit of lobbying the department | :21:25. | :21:30. | |
has ever done. From Day 2 and onwards, | :21:31. | :21:32. | |
you learn how to do the job better. It turned out to be much more useful | :21:33. | :21:35. | |
to set up a crisis centre that could cope with any crisis, | :21:36. | :21:38. | |
the ones that you haven't predicted, than to try to predict what crisis | :21:39. | :21:41. | |
was going to happen next. I learnt that after, | :21:42. | :21:44. | |
you know, ten months or so. As a flock of new ministers | :21:45. | :21:47. | |
are taking up their roles, don't imagine their Day 1 | :21:48. | :21:55. | |
as a Secretary of State puts them in any less of a flap than Day 1 | :21:56. | :21:59. | |
in any job does to any of us. Our Gilles there. He has done a | :22:00. | :22:18. | |
series of mini documentaries on the great offices of the Secretary of | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
State. If any of the new incumbents are watching, I'm sure we could find | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
a box set and you can hit the ground running. Sam, it took Margaret | :22:27. | :22:32. | |
Thatcher four or five years to get the Cabinet she wanted. Are you | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
surprised that Mrs May has done it in 24 hours? Not hugely. She seems | :22:37. | :22:42. | |
to have shown a certain amount of pre-planning in everything she has | :22:43. | :22:46. | |
done in the early hours of her Premiership. I find her style | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
absolutely fascinating. And very different from David Cameron. This | :22:51. | :22:56. | |
reshuffle shows her incredible self-confidence. It was definitely | :22:57. | :23:03. | |
ballsy, definitely, possibly even foolhardy when we see how it plays | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
out. What she has done, whereas David Cameron put people he was very | :23:09. | :23:12. | |
close to in senior jobs, particularly George Osborne, people | :23:13. | :23:15. | |
he was never going to disagree with, in public or in private, what May | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
hae has done is lined up a load has lined up big beasts who all have | :23:21. | :23:23. | |
completely different views on the biggest job this Government has to | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
do. So you have the challenge of Brexit coming down the track, which | :23:28. | :23:30. | |
will be the single biggest thing this Government has to do and she | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
has brought in David Davis to run the Brexit department, Boris Johnson | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
to run the Foreign Office, and Philip Hammond to run are the | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
Treasury and you couldn't get more divergent views about how to deal | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
with Brexit from David Hammond and David Davis. One threatened a WTO | :23:49. | :23:54. | |
tariff system and Philip Hammond wants to remain as close as we can. | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
What that means, there is only one place in in the Government, Theresa | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
May, she has to synthesize and unite a divergent top team. Now, if she | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
turns out to be an absolutely brilliant man and woman manager, | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
that's great. If she isn't, God help Britain. Well, you may not be | :24:14. | :24:22. | |
surprised. I am I'm surprised by the scale of it, and I'm surprised it | :24:23. | :24:25. | |
snted just about men and women, it is about quite a substantial change | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
in the structure of Whitehall that has taken place, in departments as | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
well. Which can only men she's been think being this for a long time? | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
Oh, yes. It struck me, Andrew, you have been sitting there in | :24:38. | :24:40. | |
interviews, and I'm sure this has never happened to you and you have | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
occasionally thought, I'm sure it doesn't happen to you, I could clear | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
out everybody. She had that work place fantasy and has put it into | :24:51. | :24:53. | |
practice. It wasn't something that has done every night. And | :24:54. | :25:01. | |
particularly the boring nitty gritty meets, that departmental change | :25:02. | :25:04. | |
including education. So she has a view certain things don't work well | :25:05. | :25:07. | |
in the Government. She didn't think it was worth bothering to talk to | :25:08. | :25:10. | |
David Cameron and George Osborne about, that she didn't think it with | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
get very far. She had a famously testy relationship with George | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
Osborne. She had it down on a piece of paper. It makes me think she was | :25:20. | :25:24. | |
the only person who thought she was definitely going to become the Prime | :25:25. | :25:31. | |
Minister. It is a no mercy change. Sam talks about the balance. : It is | :25:32. | :25:38. | |
a breaksity-heavy Cabinet and we saw people like Andrea Leadsom, only a | :25:39. | :25:44. | |
week ago, a competitor, fell foul of Theresa May and with everybody with | :25:45. | :25:52. | |
her daft remarks but is thought, DEFRA isn't right for her, there is | :25:53. | :25:56. | |
an element of revenge. It does have a Brexit feel to t because she has | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
put the three Brexiteers, Boris, Johnson, Liam Fox, David Davis into | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
the key posts for Brexit. Of course, given they are not exactly best | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
friends, the three amigos, so we shall see what happens there, but | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
the bigger challenge is not people, the bigger challenge is she made | :26:15. | :26:22. | |
enormous almost Ed Miliband-esque speech before she walked into | :26:23. | :26:24. | |
Downing Street earlier this week. That's fine. Largely rhetoric. How | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
you turn that into policy is a much bigger chal in. Absolutely. She -- | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
challenge. She has been think being this for years, if you go back to a | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
speech she made in 2013. It was nigh on identical to the speech she gave | :26:40. | :26:43. | |
on the steps of number ten and an article she wrote in the Times on | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
Monday. That's the length of time she has been planning this but you | :26:48. | :26:50. | |
are right, actually for me, the biggest challenge for Theresa May is | :26:51. | :26:53. | |
not the things you mentioned, it is the fact she has a majority of 12. | :26:54. | :26:59. | |
Now a majority of 12, at a time when her in-tray is more complicated and | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
fraught than at any time in my lifetime. And also an op Opposition | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
in chaos, which makes the majority of 12 bigger in practice. She has | :27:10. | :27:14. | |
picked on one faction, the modernised and taken them out and | :27:15. | :27:17. | |
had them shot. They will be on the bdgess, possibly grumbling and being | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
unhelpful. You have the people supporting Andrea Leadsom. The Lead | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
bangers. What are you calling them? I believe they were called the Led | :27:26. | :27:31. | |
Bangers. A tribute band. They could cause problems as well. So | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
parliamentary votes are going to be tough at a time when we have | :27:35. | :27:37. | |
difficult issues coming down the track. All right, thank you for | :27:38. | :27:44. | |
that. Well speaking of Labour, while the attention has been on our new | :27:45. | :27:50. | |
Prime Minister and deet, the turmoil inside the Labour Party continues. | :27:51. | :27:53. | |
One of the two Labour figures planning to challenge | :27:54. | :27:55. | |
Jeremy Corbyn for the leadership, Owen Smith, was due to formally | :27:56. | :27:57. | |
He cancelled that event because of the attack in Nice, | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
Owe web Smith, welcome. Let me begin -- Owen Smith, welcome, let me begin | :28:02. | :28:07. | |
with Nice. I know you will want to say something but as you do, if the | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
terrorists are now moving beyond the capital city, Nice is a major | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
regional city, a long way from the capital. We have major cities a long | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
way from the capital, are you satisfied that we have the scale and | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
speed of an articled response in this country, if we face similar | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
terrorist attacks? Well, first of all Andrew, can you just say on | :28:31. | :28:40. | |
approximate - behalf of the Labour movement if you like how awful the | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
attack in Nice was. I woke this morning to seat full detail of it | :28:46. | :28:49. | |
and it is horrible for any of us - if anybody who has a family or any | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
sense of how dreadful these events must be for the people involved, it | :28:54. | :28:56. | |
is just heartbreaking to see it happening again and that's why I | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
cancelled my launch today and I won't be campaigning, as it were | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
today. Look, I worked in the Northern Ireland Office, as an | :29:05. | :29:10. | |
advisor and I saw how brilliant our Security Services are and our police | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
forces in Britain at dealing with terrorism. Wref' | :29:15. | :29:22. | |
forces in Britain at dealing with terrorism. long history of having to | :29:23. | :29:25. | |
deal with terrorism and we are adept at doing it. We know there have been | :29:26. | :29:30. | |
many attempts of dealing with terrorism on the streets of Britain | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
and it has been foiled in recent years by our Security Services, the | :29:35. | :29:37. | |
army and the police and I'm eternally grateful to those people | :29:38. | :29:40. | |
for standing guard over us. But we also know that the Security Services | :29:41. | :29:43. | |
would tell us that when individuals, such as the man who has done this in | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
Nice, are determined to take life, and prepare to swap their own, it is | :29:49. | :29:52. | |
incredibly hard to prevent them. Whether that's in London or anywhere | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
else. We know that when people are determined, it's very difficult to | :29:58. | :30:00. | |
stop them being able to take other people's lives, if they can | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
sacrifice their own. I hope that we will stand safe and secure forever, | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
but, we know that that is not something any of us can guarantee. | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
Thank you for that. Let's come on to your leadership bid. You have said | :30:14. | :30:17. | |
the Labour Party needs new leadership but surely the person who | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
has shown leadership in this has been Angela Eagle. She's the one | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
that challenge plod Corbyn and you are leading from behind? - Mr | :30:26. | :30:30. | |
Corbyn. Well, Angela triggered the contest and I think many people in | :30:31. | :30:35. | |
the Labour Party feel Angela is owed a debt of gratitude for doing that. | :30:36. | :30:40. | |
I think it is now a case of those of us who also think we have got | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
something to say, who also think we have a challenge to make for the top | :30:45. | :30:48. | |
job in the Labour Party, to come out and say so and be brave enough... | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
But you waited for others to move before doing it yourself. Why did | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
you do that? You kept your head down, below the parapet and then | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
Angela Eagle puts her head above and then you join in. Why? If you want | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
the honest answer, Andrew, what happened was I resigned on the | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
Monday, I went to Wales on the Monday evening, and my wife rang me | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
to tell me my brother had been taken seriously ill. I went to an A | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
department with him on that Monday evening and I was with him on 29 | :31:18. | :31:21. | |
hours. I came out on the Wednesday to be met with a barrage of phone | :31:22. | :31:25. | |
calls, hundreds of phone calls from members and colleagues in the Labour | :31:26. | :31:28. | |
Party, urging me to consider putting my hat into the ring, I thought hard | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
about it, over the following days, I met again with Jeremy on that | :31:34. | :31:36. | |
Thursday and again on the Monday and on both occasions, asking him to | :31:37. | :31:40. | |
consider what compromise he could reach in order to stop what I think | :31:41. | :31:46. | |
will be a divisive leadership contest because I think we | :31:47. | :31:48. | |
desperately need to heal and unite the Labour Party. In the end I | :31:49. | :31:51. | |
felted there was no compromise that could be reached and therefore a | :31:52. | :31:54. | |
challenge to Jeremy was the only thing that might bring about unity | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
in the Labour Party, which is so vital because we have a Tory | :31:59. | :32:03. | |
Government, the Labour Party needs to be set to oppose it and more | :32:04. | :32:08. | |
importantly be a radical and credible Government-in-waiting. | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
On what policy areas do you disagree with Angela Eagle. Angela hasn't | :32:13. | :32:21. | |
laid out a policy platform. I have started laying out pine, I have said | :32:22. | :32:28. | |
clearly up front I think Brexit is potentially going to be enormously | :32:29. | :32:35. | |
bad for the economy, we need to say to the current Government we need a | :32:36. | :32:38. | |
seat at the table but more importantly we trusted the people to | :32:39. | :32:42. | |
make a decision last time round, we now need to see how this deal | :32:43. | :32:47. | |
unfolds. If it is not as good as people were hoping for we should | :32:48. | :32:50. | |
trust the people to make the decision. That isn't what I asked | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
you, are you telling me as far as you're aware, there are no policy | :32:56. | :32:58. | |
differences between you and Angela Eagle? I am not saying that a all. I | :32:59. | :33:04. | |
am saying one policy difference is I have said there should be a second | :33:05. | :33:07. | |
referendum to give people a chance... They may agree with that, | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
he is a strong pro-EU politician. I am not here to say that. Other than | :33:13. | :33:19. | |
Trident, who policy areas do you disagree Mr Corbyn? Let me go back | :33:20. | :33:27. | |
to Angela or Jeremy. Inequality is a massive problem for our country. | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
Miss Eagle and MrCorbyn are saying that too. Mrs May says that, where | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
are the differences? I propose we should do something about that and | :33:37. | :33:40. | |
change the constitution of the Labour Party, change clause four in | :33:41. | :33:44. | |
order to reflect our desire to reduce inequalities of power and | :33:45. | :33:48. | |
wealth and opportunity. Hold on, your answer to inequality is to | :33:49. | :33:51. | |
change the Labour Party constitution, that is a policy | :33:52. | :33:54. | |
difference? That is the first one. The second thing we should do is put | :33:55. | :34:00. | |
our money where our mouth is on austerity, anti-austerity is the | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
right policy for the Labour Party. You all agree with that? We need to | :34:05. | :34:11. | |
go beyond slogan, I would propose that we institute an enormous | :34:12. | :34:14. | |
building programme in Britain. I would propose there is a British new | :34:15. | :34:20. | |
deal, if you like, ?200 billion investment programme for social and | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
physical infrastructure in Britain, we have allowed our social and | :34:26. | :34:28. | |
physical infrastructure to languish for far too long, we have allowed | :34:29. | :34:32. | |
decay, there are potholes in the streets of Britain but also problems | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
with schools, with the social care, lack of vocational education, | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
housing is a disaster, the only way we will address that is if we have | :34:41. | :34:44. | |
an active interventionist Government. Perhaps where I differ | :34:45. | :34:50. | |
with both, and Jeremy, is that I feel that both New Labour and Jeremy | :34:51. | :34:54. | |
have been too timid. New Labour wasn't bold enough, despite many of | :34:55. | :34:58. | |
the great things it did. Let us not go back to New Labour. We haven't | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
got much time. Let us look forward a bit here, Labour has already lost | :35:04. | :35:07. | |
Scotland. You don't look like getting that back any time soon. | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
Explain to the viewers how a second referendum on the deal that will be | :35:13. | :35:16. | |
done, how will that help you among Labour voters in the north, a lot of | :35:17. | :35:23. | |
whom voted to leave? I lot voted to leave in Wales, lots of the people I | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
grew up with in my constituency feel they were sold a pup. What is the | :35:29. | :35:32. | |
evidence for that? The evidence is anecdotally talking to people on the | :35:33. | :35:36. | |
streets across this country and some polling evidence. What is the | :35:37. | :35:40. | |
polling evidence? The evidence of the lie is clearly. What is the | :35:41. | :35:46. | |
actual, as oppose to people you talktor, what is the evidence there | :35:47. | :35:52. | |
is now a huge buyers' remorse? I didn't say that, I said I think | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
there is out there a sense that some of the things that were promised, an | :35:58. | :36:02. | |
extra ?350 billion a week for the NHS. I think it was promised. It was | :36:03. | :36:07. | |
not promise for this week, they don't get the money until we leave. | :36:08. | :36:11. | |
We are still paying, if I am just asking, because you have said this | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
many times as if people are is suddenly changed their mind, they | :36:16. | :36:18. | |
think we voted the wrong way, it's a big claim. You need to give us the | :36:19. | :36:24. | |
evidence to substantiate it I have said it a couple of time, my view is | :36:25. | :36:27. | |
we trusted the British people to make the decision I think lots of | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
people now feel that the terms of that decision, what they thought | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
they were buying, more money for the NHS, controls on immigration aren't | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
going to be realised, certainly not in the way the simplistic terms they | :36:40. | :36:43. | |
were promised. I think it is reasonable for a Labour Government | :36:44. | :36:46. | |
that does believe that we should be in Europe, and at the heart of | :36:47. | :36:49. | |
Europe to say to people we trusted you to take the decision now we | :36:50. | :36:54. | |
trust you to look at what is negotiated over the next two years, | :36:55. | :36:57. | |
18 months, and determine whether that is what you want. The analogy I | :36:58. | :37:02. | |
would use, you wouldn't buy a car without having a look under the | :37:03. | :37:05. | |
engine and checking it worked. Well, that is what we have been asked to | :37:06. | :37:08. | |
do with Brexit. Now we have an opportunity to test-drive the car, | :37:09. | :37:13. | |
if you like, over the next 18 month period and check whether we want to | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
buy it. I suspect many of your voters will think you are trying to | :37:19. | :37:22. | |
redo the referendum and get a different result, that will play | :37:23. | :37:25. | |
into Ukip. We will see on that, but let me ask you this, if you want to | :37:26. | :37:31. | |
see off Mr Corbyn, don't you and Miss Eagle have to make up your | :37:32. | :37:35. | |
minds which one is going to do it. Surely there should be only one | :37:36. | :37:38. | |
candidate in this race, who is it going to be? I agree, I think there | :37:39. | :37:45. | |
is a widespread view there should only be one challenger. I How will | :37:46. | :37:50. | |
you get there? I am not sure it is not for me to determine as to how we | :37:51. | :37:56. | |
get there, I am prepared to submit to whatever mechanism, whether it is | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
the deputy leader of the party or the parliamentary leadership of the | :38:02. | :38:07. | |
party or the PLP itself, we need to find a mechanism to get to there. I | :38:08. | :38:10. | |
will stand by whatever that decision is. Thank you for joining us. | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
Let's get the latest from Nice now and talk | :38:16. | :38:17. | |
to our correspondent there, Andrew Plant. | :38:18. | :38:22. | |
Andrew, good afternoon to you there, in Nice, the city must be in a | :38:23. | :38:29. | |
terrible state at the moment, as must all of France, what is the | :38:30. | :38:35. | |
latest that you can tell us? There is a lot going on here in Nice right | :38:36. | :38:42. | |
now, every few minutes we are aware of a new police siren go past, we | :38:43. | :38:46. | |
have heard more information in the last half hour, you might be able to | :38:47. | :38:50. | |
see the top of the truck. Yes, we can see it. You can probably just | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
see the top of the truck. That is the one you have seen pictures with | :38:55. | :38:58. | |
the bullet holes in the window, that was driven down here last night. We | :38:59. | :39:04. | |
know in the cab they found personal items, they found bank cards, | :39:05. | :39:09. | |
wallet. They have raided a house somewhere here, we don't know where | :39:10. | :39:14. | |
and what they have recovered. French media are naming a man, they say he | :39:15. | :39:22. | |
is a 31-year-old local man, possibly of Tunisian heritage, his name is | :39:23. | :39:25. | |
Mohammed, so that is the latest information from here, that is what | :39:26. | :39:29. | |
has been said on French media but we haven't had any formal confirmation | :39:30. | :39:35. | |
from the police. What word now, we understand on the latest figures | :39:36. | :39:40. | |
there were, 84 fatalities, including ten children, but there are still | :39:41. | :39:44. | |
about 100 people in hospital and some of them are in intensive care | :39:45. | :39:49. | |
and on the critical list, do we know more about that? Yes, mine that is | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
what people are having to come to terms with, here today. I can't | :39:55. | :39:57. | |
swing my camera round because of the amount of media that are here, if I | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
could I would be able to show you a lot of people standing at the end of | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
the road here, next to a barrier, there are lots of barricades, you | :40:06. | :40:11. | |
can't move freely for obvious reasons, there is a shrine beginning | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
to develop. Lots of flowers being laid. People standing there. You | :40:16. | :40:21. | |
have to be careful where you point your camera, they are having to come | :40:22. | :40:27. | |
to terms with what happened on their street, their town, their firework | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
display when they should have been having a good time, instead these | :40:32. | :40:35. | |
terrible events happened. The death toll stands at 84 but there are some | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
severely injured people and it wouldn't be a surprise if that went | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
up, Andrew. Thank you for that, live from Nice, the city, the region, the | :40:44. | :40:50. | |
country, of course in a state of shock, and will continue that way | :40:51. | :40:54. | |
through the weekend and into next week, it will be a harrowing tile | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
when the funerals begin of those killed in that a tack. | :40:59. | :41:05. | |
We've been joined by Maajid Nawaz from the Quilliam Foundation, | :41:06. | :41:07. | |
Is there any reason we can divine as to why France is bearing the brunt | :41:08. | :41:18. | |
of these attacks in Europe? There is. Two years ago an IS spokesman, | :41:19. | :41:27. | |
it hasn't been claimed by IS but the signs are there. A spokesperson | :41:28. | :41:32. | |
instructed their followers to engage in precisely this type of attack, | :41:33. | :41:36. | |
using cars to mow people down on the streets. In that instruction, he | :41:37. | :41:42. | |
specified and high lighted France in particular, for such an attack, so | :41:43. | :41:47. | |
we have to think why do they have a particular grudge? One is | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
pragmatism, a lot of recruits come from France, France, unlike Britain | :41:53. | :41:55. | |
is on continental Europe it is easier to attack in France than in | :41:56. | :41:59. | |
Britain, though we are overdue an attack here as well. The other is, | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
they Maziar Bahari a grudge against France for things such as the stance | :42:05. | :42:10. | |
on the Charlie Hebdo cartoons and free speech, which is a laudable | :42:11. | :42:17. | |
stance and the ban of face Israels. They have taken such a ban | :42:18. | :42:20. | |
personally and they wish to attack France as a symbol of western | :42:21. | :42:27. | |
enlightenment and freedoms. Are we right to be puzzled, but grateful, | :42:28. | :42:32. | |
that we haven't had so far, a similar attack in this country? In | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
recent years? Yes, I think part of the reason is the fact there is the | :42:37. | :42:40. | |
English Channel in the middle and we have controlled our own border, it | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
makes it harder to get here but to acquire guns for those here already, | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
I must say, Andrew, I think that we are long overdue an attack, I want | :42:51. | :42:53. | |
the nation to be prepared for the tragic day something like that | :42:54. | :42:58. | |
happens here soon. I am frankly surprised it hasn't happened yet. I | :42:59. | :43:04. | |
mean, we take. Co-fort, it is certainly harder to get automatic | :43:05. | :43:08. | |
weapons in this country than in France, in France it is maybe not as | :43:09. | :43:12. | |
easy as America but there are a lot of weapons in France f you want | :43:13. | :43:16. | |
them, this guy was a criminal, you can get a hold of them. But this was | :43:17. | :43:20. | |
not a terrorist attack, it did involve a weapon but it didn't seem | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
to be the most important thing, I mean, anybody can rent a truck one | :43:25. | :43:29. | |
day, and find a way of driving it into a huge crowd the next day. | :43:30. | :43:36. | |
Hamas has been doing this for years, they realised it was difficult to | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
penetrate security barriers so they decided to change tactic and find | :43:42. | :43:45. | |
every day weapons like cars to turn them into weapons and mow people | :43:46. | :43:49. | |
down at bus stops which they have been doing. Global Jihadis in 2010 | :43:50. | :43:56. | |
instructed their followers to adopt a strategy. IS adopted a similar | :43:57. | :44:01. | |
strategy. I wouldn't be surprised to see in the UK, a city not in the | :44:02. | :44:07. | |
capital, a soft target, such as a celebration on the streets and | :44:08. | :44:13. | |
festival, or a national holiday, and a car or other such similar daily | :44:14. | :44:17. | |
tools being used. Something unexceptional. Absolutely. It can | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
have a similar effect on the psyche of the nation. A lot of people were | :44:23. | :44:28. | |
saying to me on social media our intelligence services are so | :44:29. | :44:31. | |
wonderful that is why we have not been attacked. It is true they have | :44:32. | :44:38. | |
thwarted a number of attacks but it is true the French police thwarted | :44:39. | :44:44. | |
attacks as recently as the European football competition. When I speak | :44:45. | :44:48. | |
to the services they are the first people to say we can't stop | :44:49. | :44:52. | |
everything. It is kind of, it is wrong and unfair to expect our | :44:53. | :44:55. | |
intelligence services to get everything. Of course they are not | :44:56. | :45:00. | |
going to stop everything. What I would encourage the authorities to | :45:01. | :45:05. | |
do is prepare for the response when an attack happens, that mustn't only | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
be a legal and CT response. Counter-terrorism. Yes, what we need | :45:10. | :45:15. | |
in place is a response within communities, now it is clear we must | :45:16. | :45:20. | |
not letterrieses divide it. Something, we have to acknowledge is | :45:21. | :45:25. | |
yes, terrorists mustn't divide communities but we need a strategy | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
to engage in this struggle. That will be an uncomfortable | :45:31. | :45:34. | |
conversation, Muslims and non-Muslims need to stand together | :45:35. | :45:38. | |
to challenge the ideology that underpins this terrorism. It won't | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
be easy. It wasn't when people started challenging racism and | :45:44. | :45:45. | |
homophobia, but the battles were one, this is a similar struggle. The | :45:46. | :45:50. | |
new Prime Minister and new Government, given all the changes, | :45:51. | :45:54. | |
given what has happened in France, given the enduring and ongoing | :45:55. | :45:57. | |
danger still in this country, they will have to give more thought to | :45:58. | :46:02. | |
this, they will have to do more than has been done so far and think of | :46:03. | :46:07. | |
new ways. Absolutely. Theresa May has had a sterling record at the | :46:08. | :46:11. | |
Home Office, with what she hasn't had to deal with is the community | :46:12. | :46:19. | |
cohesion brief. Prime Minister Cameron, during his tenure, adopted | :46:20. | :46:27. | |
a full spectrum approach. Her views have evolved to accepting the need | :46:28. | :46:31. | |
for a full spectrum whole of society approach. It remains to be seen how | :46:32. | :46:38. | |
committed she is. I am sure it has moved up her agenda. | :46:39. | :46:42. | |
He ran the Bank of England for ten years, steering the British economy | :46:43. | :46:45. | |
alongside the occupants of Number 11 Downing Street - first Gordon Brown, | :46:46. | :46:48. | |
then Alistair Darling, and finally, George Osborne. | :46:49. | :46:50. | |
Now Mervyn King is keen to encourage state schools to get their school | :46:51. | :46:53. | |
Like these children, I too learnt to play cricket | :46:54. | :47:07. | |
Mine was in Yorkshire, in the primary school in Old Town | :47:08. | :47:11. | |
Today we're in London but the spirit is the same, playing in a team | :47:12. | :47:18. | |
He ran the Bank of England for ten years, steering the British economy | :47:19. | :47:31. | |
That's pretty good preparation for the world of work. | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
But good schools know that opportunities like this are a part | :47:36. | :47:38. | |
But over the years it's become more and more difficult for state schools | :47:39. | :47:42. | |
to provide opportunities to children, to take part in | :47:43. | :47:44. | |
extra-curricular activities, whether it is sport, | :47:45. | :47:46. | |
or music or drama, or a host of other activities in | :47:47. | :47:48. | |
That's why a decade ago the charity Chance to Shine was started. | :47:49. | :47:53. | |
It set out to regenerate cricket in state schools. | :47:54. | :47:57. | |
Because, to learn how to win and how to lose, | :47:58. | :48:06. | |
that teams comprise people with different skills and abilities, | :48:07. | :48:08. | |
and that respect for the opposition, is an essential part of competition, | :48:09. | :48:13. | |
really altogether mean the spirit of cricket, | :48:14. | :48:14. | |
There is more to education than simply the National Curriculum. | :48:15. | :48:22. | |
And more than any other sport, cricket crosses social, | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
There is more to education than simply the National Curriculum. | :48:27. | :48:46. | |
And more than any other sport, cricket crosses social, | :48:47. | :48:49. | |
Chance to Shine has now reached over 11,000 state schools and more | :48:50. | :48:53. | |
than 3 million children have been given the chance to learn cricket | :48:54. | :48:55. | |
It has helped to build confidence, motivation, and the aspirations | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
My dream job would be to be captain of Worcestershire and England. | :49:00. | :49:05. | |
I had to be Governor of the Bank of England instead. | :49:06. | :49:08. | |
I think I would rather have captained Worcestershire. | :49:09. | :49:10. | |
Well, certainly cricket seems to have ensured | :49:11. | :49:12. | |
children for their lunch today but more significantly, | :49:13. | :49:15. | |
we hope that cricket will enthuse their appetite for many | :49:16. | :49:18. | |
other interests and subjects and to raise their aspirations by giving | :49:19. | :49:22. | |
Chance to Shine is not aiming to produce the next England | :49:23. | :49:27. | |
star but to use cricket to broaden educational experience. | :49:28. | :49:33. | |
So, ask not what these children could do for cricket, | :49:34. | :49:35. | |
but what cricket can do for our children. | :49:36. | :49:44. | |
Welcome to the programme. There is a systemic problem for cricket for | :49:45. | :49:56. | |
schools, isn't there? It is the time it takes, if you are teachers giving | :49:57. | :50:01. | |
up a Saturday or an evening, you do rugby, football, hockey, whatever, | :50:02. | :50:04. | |
it doesn't take so long but cricket can last all day. It is demanding? . | :50:05. | :50:09. | |
It doesn't have to be now. I mean with T 20 in the professional game | :50:10. | :50:13. | |
and of course in the schools actually playing the game you can | :50:14. | :50:16. | |
play it for any length of time you like. We provide all the resources | :50:17. | :50:20. | |
to schools. The aim of this is to add a new dimension to the life of a | :50:21. | :50:24. | |
school,ies headteachers love it. They do? Absolutely? Are you going | :50:25. | :50:32. | |
to win this battle. I was looking at the ECB, by that I don't mean the | :50:33. | :50:35. | |
European Central Bank. Something much more important. The English | :50:36. | :50:41. | |
Cricket Board. They carried out a major survey, 60,000 Europeans | :50:42. | :50:45. | |
playing the sport at the grassroots level than the previous year. Can | :50:46. | :50:49. | |
you reverse that? We can, but the main thing is to get it going in | :50:50. | :50:53. | |
schools. That's what we want to do. Because of the educational benefit | :50:54. | :50:56. | |
of playing a team sport. You can see in some of the film but we have seen | :50:57. | :51:00. | |
it in many schools around the country, that we find children from | :51:01. | :51:03. | |
different ethnic and gender backgrounds all play together. They | :51:04. | :51:06. | |
don't notice the differents. They are all part of the same team. I | :51:07. | :51:10. | |
think that's a wonderful preparation for the world of work. Cricket is an | :51:11. | :51:14. | |
interesting sport. You can be both highly individual but you are part | :51:15. | :51:17. | |
of a team. At tennis you are an individual. Football is a kind of | :51:18. | :51:23. | |
team, although there are famous individuals in that but cricket, | :51:24. | :51:28. | |
combines the individuality and a collective objective? Exactly and | :51:29. | :51:31. | |
this is' why it is the perfect preparation for the world of work | :51:32. | :51:37. | |
later on. - and that's Y Where individual performances matters but | :51:38. | :51:40. | |
so does the team. Did cricket help you when you were governor. Bank of | :51:41. | :51:44. | |
England? It helped me if I was at school. I don't think I would have | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
taken my academic focus as seriously as I did, had I not had the chance | :51:49. | :51:53. | |
to play cricket and do other things like drama and chess. All of the | :51:54. | :51:56. | |
things which a good school provads and which many states schools have | :51:57. | :51:59. | |
not been able to provide. We make sure we can take cricket to a school | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
t doesn't cost them anything, either in time or money and we add to the | :52:04. | :52:10. | |
dimensions. You can provide it - when we played football, two jackets | :52:11. | :52:14. | |
down, and a ball. We can provide everything and the coaches. That's | :52:15. | :52:17. | |
the main thing. Do we have the grounds? No, but many schools or | :52:18. | :52:21. | |
clubs make available their grounds and at primary school level, there | :52:22. | :52:25. | |
are markings in play grounds. You can use it there. That film was | :52:26. | :52:30. | |
filmed in Waterloo in central London in a playground within the school. | :52:31. | :52:35. | |
Of course, lots of second, third generation kids, immigrant families | :52:36. | :52:39. | |
now, they come from cricketing countries, don't they? That must be | :52:40. | :52:44. | |
a plus It is a big plus and thatp integration is a key part of the | :52:45. | :52:47. | |
programme. You soo he it right around the country where people | :52:48. | :52:50. | |
forget whatever ethnic backgrounds they have and they are all playing | :52:51. | :52:55. | |
on the same team. And, part of the danger has been, with the decline, | :52:56. | :53:01. | |
it has become a state school/private school business, cricket has become | :53:02. | :53:06. | |
more dominated by private schools as some of the state schools have moved | :53:07. | :53:10. | |
away. And that's what you are out to reverse? Yes, only 7% of children go | :53:11. | :53:14. | |
to private schools but they account for far more of the professional | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
game. What we want to do, rather like Theresa May with her Cabinet | :53:19. | :53:22. | |
and also the tragic events in Nice, what this brings home, is the | :53:23. | :53:25. | |
importance to put, to make a success of o you are state schools and to do | :53:26. | :53:30. | |
it in a way that breaks down the ethnic divides. Since I have got you | :53:31. | :53:34. | |
here. You were governor when we cut rates to 0.5%. Seven years ago, I | :53:35. | :53:39. | |
think now. Yes. I bet you, when you did that, you never thought that | :53:40. | :53:45. | |
seven years later t would still be 0.5% Absolutely rightful and indeed | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
every minister and Central Bank governor in the G7, who met in | :53:50. | :53:53. | |
Washington in 2008, after the collapse of Lehman Brothers, at the | :53:54. | :53:55. | |
height of the crisis, no-one imagined that eight years on, we | :53:56. | :54:00. | |
would be where we are today. And this - explain something to me - on | :54:01. | :54:07. | |
Wednesday, I think afternoon, Roycers gives us Reuters gives us a | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
poll of the economists, largely based on the city but beyond that, | :54:12. | :54:15. | |
in which 80% of them are pretty sure the governor is going to cut rates | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
on Thursday morning and, of course the governor doesn't cut rates. I | :54:21. | :54:25. | |
mean do they say that on a wing or a prayer, or does the bank give out | :54:26. | :54:29. | |
signals that that's maybe what it is going to do? Well, we never gave out | :54:30. | :54:33. | |
signals. I think the lesson is this - don't bother to look at opinion | :54:34. | :54:36. | |
polls of economists. There is no need to. All you need to do now, we | :54:37. | :54:41. | |
have a very good system a Monetary Policy Committee of nine members. | :54:42. | :54:43. | |
Just wait. Once a month they will reveal their decision. And voted 8-1 | :54:44. | :54:48. | |
not to do it. So the economists couldn't be more wrong. Of course | :54:49. | :54:52. | |
they may do it in August there. Have been indications they may well do | :54:53. | :54:57. | |
it. Is it fair to say, putting all the project fear away, is that given | :54:58. | :55:05. | |
that the economy was already slowing down earlier this year and seems to | :55:06. | :55:09. | |
have done since April onwards, that in this quarter and the next quarter | :55:10. | :55:12. | |
we are likely to go through, maybe not a recession but certainly a | :55:13. | :55:15. | |
slowdown? I think we certainly should expect some sort of slowdown. | :55:16. | :55:19. | |
Clearly there is uncertainty now with the new situation, leaving the | :55:20. | :55:23. | |
European Union. That would mean that some investment projects will be put | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
on hold but we simply don't know how serious it will be and we don't have | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
any data to suggest that. So there has been a slight degree of hysteria | :55:32. | :55:34. | |
in the reaction in the last three weeks, obviously primarily among the | :55:35. | :55:37. | |
political class which has been tearing itself... And some of the | :55:38. | :55:41. | |
media, too Media and the political class tearing themselves to pieces | :55:42. | :55:45. | |
and wildly exaggerating things and I hope now we will able to calm down | :55:46. | :55:50. | |
and get back to a proper programme of work to make this departure from | :55:51. | :55:53. | |
the European Union a workable success, which we can certainly do. | :55:54. | :55:57. | |
If they all went and either watched or played a good game of cricket I'm | :55:58. | :56:02. | |
sure they would have a better judgment. They certainly would. | :56:03. | :56:03. | |
Thank you very much. On Monday morning David Cameron | :56:04. | :56:07. | |
was still Prime Minister and the nation was looking forward | :56:08. | :56:09. | |
to a long summer contest between Theresa May | :56:10. | :56:11. | |
and Andrea Leadsom over At the end of another tumultuous | :56:12. | :56:13. | |
week in politics we thought we'd look back at the events of the last | :56:14. | :56:19. | |
five days. I have concluded that the interests | :56:20. | :56:33. | |
of our country are best-served by the immediate appointment of a | :56:34. | :56:36. | |
strong and well-supported Prime Minister. | :56:37. | :56:43. | |
THE SPEAKER: Questions to the Prime Minister. | :56:44. | :56:56. | |
Mr Speak e this morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
and others. Other than one meeting this afternoon with Her Majesty The | :57:00. | :57:04. | |
Queen, the diary for the rest of my day is remarkably light. | :57:05. | :57:28. | |
I have just been to Buckingham Palace where Her Majesty The Queen | :57:29. | :57:34. | |
has asked me to form a new Government and I accepted. | :57:35. | :57:51. | |
It is inevitable that there is going to be a certain amount of plaster | :57:52. | :57:57. | |
coming off the ceiling in the chanceries of Europe. It wasn't the | :57:58. | :57:58. | |
result that they were expecting. CLAPS AND BOOS | :57:59. | :58:38. | |
There we go, another, another historic week in British politics. A | :58:39. | :58:42. | |
minute left. 30 seconds to each of you for your thoughts on where we go | :58:43. | :58:46. | |
from here? Where we go from here is that Theresa May, after all those | :58:47. | :58:50. | |
snrours been delivered and everyone sent their congratulations, she | :58:51. | :58:52. | |
really has it settle down. There has to be a really strong centre to this | :58:53. | :58:58. | |
Government. She has quite a separated team as we reflected | :58:59. | :59:01. | |
earlier but at the same time, she has a big job, one job by which she | :59:02. | :59:07. | |
will be judged, how does Brexit go. Brexit was exit for David Cameron. | :59:08. | :59:11. | |
For her, her chance, she has the team and reorganisation and now she | :59:12. | :59:14. | |
has the big chance. I just don't know how we get it a year from here? | :59:15. | :59:19. | |
I can't see quite what we are going to do on Brexit? I can't see how you | :59:20. | :59:23. | |
square demands to stay close to the single market with what the public | :59:24. | :59:28. | |
think they voted for in a referendum on immigration and I think that will | :59:29. | :59:31. | |
be the defining question question of her Government and if she solved | :59:32. | :59:35. | |
that everything else unfolds well for her after that but it will be | :59:36. | :59:39. | |
very hard. Perfect timing, we must have the two of you back. Thank you | :59:40. | :59:44. | |
very much. Thank you to all of my guests. | :59:45. | :59:45. | |
The One O'Clock News is starting over on BBC One now. | :59:46. | :59:50. | |
I'll be back on Sunday with the Sunday Politics, | :59:51. | :59:53. |