18/07/2016 Daily Politics


18/07/2016

Jo Coburn is joined by Nicholas Soames and Lisa Nandy for the latest political news, interviews and debate. They look at the vote to renew Trident in the Commons.


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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.

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The two people challenging Jeremy Corbyn for the Labour

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leadership will be making their pitch to fellow MPs today,

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but will a unity candidate emerge and if so, who?

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The Labour leader seems to be taking the threat to his position as a bit

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We'll be looking at what happens next in this battle

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The vote on whether to replace the Trident nuclear weapons system

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could hardly have come at a worse time for Labour.

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Is the government forcing the issue just to divide their opponents?

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Politics has been a pretty rough business recently,

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but can some of the blame for that be laid at the door

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And as Boris Johnson takes to the world stage for the first

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time as foreign secretary, we'll be asking is he the right man

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And things may be hotting up here at Westminster,

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in more ways than one, but I'm joined by two MPs who are

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always as cool as cucumbers - it's the Conservative MP

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Nicholas Soames and the Labour MP Lisa Nandy, both sheltering

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from the heatwave in our studio for the rest of the show.

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First today, Theresa May is in Cardiff this morning meeting

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with the first minister of Wales, Carwyn Jones.

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We're told the new Prime Minister will emphasise her strong personal

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support for the union, and repeat her commitment to working

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with the devolved governments of the UK ahead of negotiations

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The man who'll be responsible for those negotiations

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is David Davis, the Secretary of State for exiting the EU,

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and he talked to Sky News yesterday about his hopes for new trade deals

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Liam is going around the world and he is going to be making huge

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trade deals all over the place and we'll get a very,

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very large trade deal, much bigger than the European Union,

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I'm not going to set Liam targets, but a multiple of the size

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And the moment we leave they will all come in.

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That is actually an enormous upside to this thing.

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He sounded very confident, do you think this Brexit idea from a remain

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perspective may succeed? Let's hope for all our sakes that it does.

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David Davis is right, there are big opportunities for trade, but the

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problem is it is all very well to get agreement in principle on a

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trade deal, but to get from point a to point B is a very complex and

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difficult matter. That will be a factor in the speed at which these

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transactions will be undertaken. Do you think this optimism is not going

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to be genuinely felt when it comes to former negotiations? No, we have

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to be optimistic about the future, but it has to be optimism tinged

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with realism. Australia has already called for a free-trade deal with

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Britain following our exit from the European Union when it comes, so

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people are up for it. It is right we should be exploring all of the

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opportunities, but I was worried when I saw David Davies claiming

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they would have a trade deal that was perhaps bigger than the whole of

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that world trade that is available to us. It seems we have learned very

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little from the Brexit campaign which made claims that did not stack

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up and which they later abandoned. What we want to see in a job like

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that is somebody who is optimistic but realistic and he does not fit

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the bill. In terms of scaremongering, some of that came

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from the remain side, particularly from people like George Osborne, and

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Liam Fox, the new International trade Secretary, he says he is

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working on about a dozen trade deals and out of that welcome something

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that will benefit us. I agree with the idea about being entirely

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realistic. I think David Davis is right to be optimistic and to get

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people to lift their eyes to the hills and to see what is going to

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come, but it will be a long, hard slog. Of course the Canadians and

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the Americans will all want to do trade deals with us and it does not

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happen overnight. We will have to be realistic about how long this will

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take. How long will it take? David Davis has already set out a broad

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timetable, trigger article 50 and it is all set up by January 20 19. None

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of these things go like rail lines and a train on rail lines and I

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think we need to press on as quickly as we can. You would go for a quick

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starts I would do what Liam Fox is doing, which is to get on with

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overtures to our friends. The Trade Minister, together with Mark Price,

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the former Trade Minister, they will go round all our potential partners

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getting in place the architecture so that we can press forward. If we

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cannot formally negotiate until Article 50 is triggered... No one

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knows when that will be. Is he the right man for the job? When I was

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Minister for the Armed Forces David Davis was a minister for Europe and

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he is a very confident, clever, tough negotiator. You were shaking

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your head. What we need to hear from David Davis, or whoever Theresa May

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chooses in this critical position, him and Liam Fox and Boris Johnson

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have all been tasked with major relations with the rest of the

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world. We need to hear about the terms of the deals and who they

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benefit. They cannot be conducted behind closed doors and they must

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benefit the workforce here and not just be done on the basis we will

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take whatever deal we can get. Deals have been consistently one of the

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ways that the UK has been a force for good in the UK and the rest of

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the world. I have not heard anything from any of the people she is

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accounted about anything like that. The UK could continue to get tariff

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free access to the European market whilst allowing it to impose rules

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on immigration. That sounds like having it all. There is no such

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thing as having it all. We are at the beginning of this very long

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process and Lisa knows that very well. These trade deals need to be

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good trade deals. Would that be a good one? That would be wonderful if

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we could get it. But one does not assume that it is all going to be

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plain sailing with the European Union, but we have to make our case

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for the best possible deal we can get.

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The question for today is about Labour leader Jeremy

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He learnt about a new playground craze thanks to Adam

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on the Sunday Politics, but what was that craze?

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At the end of the show, Nicholas and Lisa will give

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I know this one. I have never seen you so excited. There is no prize.

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MPs will vote this afternoon on whether to renew the UK's Trident

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In one of her first acts as Prime Minister, Theresa May

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will move a motion in the commons saying that Trident remains

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essential to the UK's security and to protecting our way of life.

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The Trident weapons system currently operates

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To maintain this requires four submarines, one armed

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The current fleet of submarines is due to become obsolete by the end

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of the decade and will begin to end their working lives some

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MPs need to decide now whether to replace them

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as new submarines could take up to seventeen years to develop.

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The government says it will cost ?31 billion to renew,

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but opponents like the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament put

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the estimate far higher at over ?200 billion.

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The Conservatives committed to renewing Trident in their 2015

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manifesto, but the Labour party is split over the issue.

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While leader Jeremy Corbyn opposes renewal and will vote

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against the motion he has given his MPs a free vote

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and many look set to support the Government's renewal plans.

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Shadow Foreign Secretary Emily Thornberry, however,

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says she will abstain because the Government

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is using the decision to "play games with the Labour Party".

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The SNP are unanimous in their opposition to Trident

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and all 54 of their MPs will vote against today's motion.

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Speaking to the BBC this morning defence Secretary Michael Fallon

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insisted the vote, which isn't binding,

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We have postponed this vote for several months now

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because of the referendum and the elections before it.

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There will be a large number of Labour MPs,

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I hope MPs from all sides of the House, who have always

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supported a nuclear deterrent and I hope will be voting

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We don't see this as a party political issue.

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I hope we will get the largest possible majority from Parliament.

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That was Michael Fallon. We are joined by the Green Party MP

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Caroline Lucas. Welcome. Lisa Nandi, which way will you go? I will not be

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supporting the motion because having read it, it has become very clear

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that what Theresa May is doing is abandoning the commitment to

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multi-natural disarmament which my party has believed in ever since the

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beginning of nuclear weapons. This marks a shift in the Tory party's

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position. I will listen to what she has got to say, but if I do not hear

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a plan around multilateral disarmament, I will be voting

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against. You had been in favour, you are changing your position. I am not

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a pacifist, I believe there are reasons to think we may need a

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nuclear deterrent now and Trident may be that solution. But the truth

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is just you recognise the conditions

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for disarmament do not currently exist, it does not mean we should

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not aspire to rid the world of nuclear weapons and take concrete

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steps to do that. What Theresa May has done in the wording of this

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motion today is to take that off the table, definitely for 20-30 years,

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but potentially for good, and I am concerned about that. There was a

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phrase that said, we commit ourselves to nuclear weapons for as

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long as the global security situation demands. That is an open

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ended, vague statement which goes back on the commitments we have made

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as a country and for my party in government and I cannot support

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that. What do you say? Of course I respect views like that and there

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are very honourable views held on both sides. I was a defence Minister

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for five years in the 90s and nothing has changed my views since I

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was party to the information that I knew about them. I think the world

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has become more dangerous, not less dangerous, and nothing that I have

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seen that I can usefully forecast myself as far out as I can possibly

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see leads me to believe that would be the case. What about the point

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about in terms of removing some sort of commitment are looking at this

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idea of disarmament if the world becomes more secure? I do not think

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that is the case. If there was an opportunity for us to decide on an

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equal, sane, sensible, Safeway, I am quite sure we would. That moment

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does not exist now and we must take the decision to get on and that is

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why the Prime Minister has brought this motion today. We have made the

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decision to get on. Parliament had about several years ago. Part of

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that was that Margaret Beckett at the time made concrete steps that

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the government would take to lead the world in multilateral

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disarmament. Whichever way you look, the behaviour of the Russians, the

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nuclear situation all over the world is becoming more and more difficult.

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Do not go ahead with this would not be a safe thing for our country. In

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the past you have sent thousands of jobs would be at stake. Have you

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changed your mind? Will you let down those people whose jobs would be at

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risk? This is something I have to make a decision about as every

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member of Parliament does today. If I was in Theresa May's position and

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in my civil servants brought me a motion, a plan that said, we will

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renew Trident, we will not consider any alternatives, we will not

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consider how much it costs because we do not know over the lifetime how

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much it will cost because the government has not done a

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projection, and we are not going to do that alongside any multilateral

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disarmament. I would say to them, take it away and bring me something

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better. The Labour Party does not know what its position is and are

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you disappointed that Jeremy Corbyn, who will vote against it, as he has

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done, but he has not taken the party with him, it will be a free vote? I

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am disappointed. Jeremy Hunt is a fantastic record on nuclear

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disarmament and nobody could have any doubts about where he comes from

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and it has been a challenge for him to bring his party with him and that

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is a shame. There is a process going on right now at the UN, 130

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countries are engaged in discussions about banning nuclear weapons. Our

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government has boycotted even being involved in those discussions which

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is unacceptable. Meanwhile, nuclear weapons make us less safe, not more

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safe. There was a scary report from Chatham House a couple of years ago

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talking about 13 near misses which you do not hear about much of the

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time. There is always the possibility of accidents and

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materials falling into the hands of terrorists and that is a far greater

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risk. The government's own Strategic Defence Review put nuclear war at a

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tiered two risk, below international problems. But we are still living in

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unstable times if you look across the world from the Middle East to

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Russia to perhaps even closer to home with Turkey and this would not

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be the time to send the wrong message?

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It is the time to send a message we will not be threatening the rest of

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the world, one submarine could wipe out 10 million civilians and the

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moral arguments, they are huge. We live in an uncertain world with

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terrorism and the more countries that aspire to get nuclear weapons,

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the more likely terrorists will get hold of it. We are a mature nuclear

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weapons state, we have had the nuclear weapons for very long time.

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We are of Nato. Fully integrated into the American and global Nato

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system. Is it the right answer? Yes, in my view. Lisa said something, an

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important point. There is an enormous amount of work going on for

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years about the alternatives, it is not true to say they have not done

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that, that work has been done. As the conclusion that the Prime

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Minister has drawn and the government is that it would be wrong

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to gamble with the safety and security of Britain and we must go

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ahead and ordered the new generation. The bigger gamble is

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nuclear weapons. The Chatham House report mentions Jimmy Carter left

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the nuclear code in his trouser pocket when they went to the dry

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cleaners! This is the madness of nuclear weapons. I do not think that

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is a serious point. It is a very serious point. Let's not bring it to

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the dry cleaning. There is another point about safety. In 1968, we

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struck a bargain with other countries who did not have nuclear

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weapons that I would not look to acquire nuclear weapons on the basis

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we would take steps to disarm. Whichever way you look at it, we

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have not done that. We have not done it in the last decade. We are

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breaking a bargain with other countries and that makes is

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fundamentally unsafe. The Chilcot report in Iraq, what did we learn?

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When you break the international rules binding us together, you

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create new threats and make everybody fundamentally unsafe. Do

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you think other countries will disarm if we do? Only if Britain

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takes a read Will we see a world free of nuclear weapons. Like

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Margaret Beckett, I am not sure we will see it in my lifetime. The idea

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we now take this from the table which is what this motion does

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today, is something nobody... Will the let Eber MPs change their mind

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-- other Labour MPs change their mind? I genuinely do not know. You

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said the Labour party is split and I think a number of MPs were going to

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the chamber as I will do is listen to what Theresa May has the same.

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The motion and the way it is worded is so hard. It is very difficult. If

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that is the case, what respectable opposition goes into an important

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vote like this without a policy one way or the other? The policy... We

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do have a policy. You are allowed a free vote. The Shadow Foreign

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Secretary and Shadow Defence Secretary will abstain. How you

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abstain on such an important issue? Emily and Clive have written a piece

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together saying they believe this is a game and they will not play a part

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in it. Part of the reason, let me make this point, is because

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Parliament has already voted for this so the fact Theresa May has

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chosen as the first act as Prime Minister... Is it incredible to

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abstain or not? The reason I am going into the chamber today and

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likely will vote against is because I do not agree with the wording of

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the motion. You still represent a party that does not have a view one

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way or the other that has been agreed upon. Looking at that article

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that Clive wrote, essentially, it is saying they think it is a game

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because they assume it will definitely go through. If we had an

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opposition opposing, it would not necessarily need to be that way,

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this is an opportunity for Labour to join with the Green Party and the

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SNP and Plaid Cymru and oppose this policy and it could make a

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difference and the idea this is a game does not stand up. Can I

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endorse that? I agree, it is not a game. It is not going to change

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anything. The final sanction of going ahead is going to go ahead.

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Everything is reduced in commentary to politics being a game. This is

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not a game, this is one of the biggest decisions any government has

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to make. To provide for continuous deterrence. They need to get on with

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it. The Prime Minister will also shortly make a statement about other

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stuff the government needs to get on with. This is not a game, this is

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fundamental and of primary importance to the safety and

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security of this country and of course I respect the views of those

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who have strong views against it, it is a complex and difficult decision.

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But it is not a game. If it is not just a game, is it strange Theresa

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May has brought this forward with any projections about the cost and

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plan for disarmament and answers to questions like, if Scotland was to

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vote for independence, whether submarines would be based? Critical

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questions. She literally has no answer! What does happen in the

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event of Scotland? The SNP is clear in their position, we do not know

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what will happen in terms of a second referendum, what would happen

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to where they will be based and built? I cannot answer that. Sadly,

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the Prime Minister did not make me a Defence Minister! Maybe that will

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happen! We will have to do the cost another day. Thank you.

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In less than an hour, the two MPs who are challenging

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Jeremy Corbyn for the leadership of the Labour Party will make

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their pitch to their fellow MPs at a hustings in parliament.

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The two hopefuls are former Shadow Business Secretary Angela Eagle

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and former Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary Owen Smith.

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Mr Smith says there needs to be a unity candidate to take

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on Mr Corbyn, but Ms Eagle says it's too early to talk about that idea.

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Here they both are sharing a sofa together on the Andrew

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How do you decide between the two of you who is the more

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That is one way which we could do it, or we could make

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an agreement between ourselves, but my view is whoever is the person

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who commands the largest degree of support in the PLP is the unity

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candidate and that is the person who should go forward

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I think we have to have the person who is most likely to beat

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You are not standing aside, under any circumstances?

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The restaurant is still open, you know.

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We're not going to do a deal here on your sofa,

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So will there be an anyone but Corbyn candidate,

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Our correspondent is on College Green.

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Predictions are hard these days and we do not get them right! Is it a

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case of just one candidate going forward eventually? I do,

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eventually. I do not think one candidate will emerge this week.

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Owen Smith might like one candidate after these hustings but I think

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Angela Eagle wants a slightly longer time frame to see what support she

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gets from constituency parties before they agree any deal. I think

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both of them recognise it would be disastrous for two candidates to go

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up against Jeremy Corbyn, apart from the risk of splitting the

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anti-corporate vote. Inevitably, they will take each other on,

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criticise each other and there will be a lot of collateral damage to the

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anti-corporate and wing of the vote. There is a recognition they will

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have the do a deal. There are issues around, do they have a joint ticket?

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And my understanding is nothing has been sorted out. Both gradually

:23:57.:23:59.

feeling their way. The one thing that might change it is once we have

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had these hustings and we know how Labour MPs have nominated and we

:24:05.:24:07.

will get that in black and white on Wednesday evening, if one candidate

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was to have many, many more nominations than the other, you

:24:13.:24:16.

could be in a Theresa May, Andrea Leadsom situation whether one with

:24:17.:24:21.

fewer decides to bull out. If they are very close, it could go on for

:24:22.:24:27.

quite a bit yet. Reaction in the Jeremy Corbyn camp?

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I think they are quite relaxed. It goes back to the Trident vote. That

:24:32.:24:36.

has come as a god's gift to Jeremy Corbyn because he has said he is

:24:37.:24:42.

going to make his stands on Trident, opposition to renewal, central to

:24:43.:24:46.

his campaign. It reminds me of the last leadership contest when he did

:24:47.:24:49.

the same with his opposition to the benefit changes which Andy Burnham

:24:50.:24:55.

and others supported. And that was used to drive his grassroots

:24:56.:25:01.

campaign. It got momentum going and widespread support. And I think they

:25:02.:25:04.

think they can do exactly the same with the issue of nuclear weapons,

:25:05.:25:08.

which Angela Eagle and Owen Smith have said they were back.

:25:09.:25:12.

We come up for it to a long, hot Summer with this going on.

:25:13.:25:14.

Who will you back? Owen Smith. Why? I want the leader of the Labour

:25:15.:25:23.

Party and ultimately Prime Minister with real socialist values and a

:25:24.:25:27.

plan to put them into action. I want somebody relentlessly focused on the

:25:28.:25:33.

future and not interested in fighting former battles. And who

:25:34.:25:36.

understands that to unite the party and to win a general election, you

:25:37.:25:40.

need to draw on the best traditions from the entire Labour Party, from

:25:41.:25:45.

the left to the right. I think Owen Smith is by far the best candidate.

:25:46.:25:51.

You think nobody at the moment could bring those sides together. Do you

:25:52.:25:55.

accept that unity candidate as you describe but I want should go for it

:25:56.:26:00.

and Angela Eagle should drop out as soon as possible? It would be

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preferable to only have two candidates, Jeromy and one other.

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For me, very preferable that is Owen Smith. He is best placed to win the

:26:10.:26:13.

leadership election and I think he has ideas about the future of the

:26:14.:26:18.

country and is capable of uniting a very divided nation. He is in favour

:26:19.:26:23.

of Trident renewal. Yes, we have discussed this and I have known him

:26:24.:26:27.

for quite a long time since I was first elected to Parliament. We both

:26:28.:26:32.

passionate about multilateral disarmament. Not unilateral like

:26:33.:26:36.

Jeremy. We not pacifists. Would we do want to see us moving to a

:26:37.:26:43.

situation where we take steps to step down the ladder of nuclear

:26:44.:26:47.

weapons. Most of their colleagues -- do you think your colleagues will

:26:48.:26:51.

have mostly made up their minds before the hustings? I think some

:26:52.:26:56.

colleagues have some opinions about it and others probably will go into

:26:57.:27:00.

that hustings at one o'clock today and listen to what the candidates

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have got to say. The key thing is that people feel very confident that

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the candidate they have chosen is somebody who can unite the Labour

:27:12.:27:14.

Party. That is a very difficult thing to do. Looking at the group of

:27:15.:27:19.

people that have come together around Owen Smith, he is in a very

:27:20.:27:23.

strong position to do that. He has managed to attract many of the

:27:24.:27:28.

younger, new MPs, relentlessly focused on the challenges we have

:27:29.:27:33.

got now, whether it is an ageing population, child poverty, clean

:27:34.:27:36.

energy jobs and how Britain redefines itself after Brexit with

:27:37.:27:41.

the rest of the world. That is the thing is Owen is talking about and

:27:42.:27:46.

why he has attracted people from the left to the right. Would you -- you

:27:47.:27:51.

resigned from the Shadow Cabinet saying Jeremy Corbyn could not form

:27:52.:27:55.

a team, how would Owen Smith bring the Jeremy Corbyn side of the party

:27:56.:28:00.

into his side? It is about culture as much as anything. I have no Owen

:28:01.:28:06.

well about five years now and he has always been somebody who has worked

:28:07.:28:11.

with every bit of the party, who has respect for different parts of the

:28:12.:28:15.

party and he is a socialist at heart but not an idealist, a realist. He

:28:16.:28:22.

believes in things like renationalisation of the railways

:28:23.:28:25.

which is one of the most popular policies of Jeromy, he believes

:28:26.:28:28.

austerity was a mistake as an economic programme and morally

:28:29.:28:33.

unsustainable. He says the policies of Jeremy Corbyn, they are not

:28:34.:28:38.

wrong, it is just the messenger? It is not good Saint you want austerity

:28:39.:28:42.

and you want renationalisation of the railways, you need an idea of

:28:43.:28:46.

that and I think Owen is that person. Jeremy Corbyn has a very

:28:47.:28:49.

good chance of winning again, what happens then is the mark the job of

:28:50.:28:54.

everybody trying to save the Labour Party at the moment is to have a

:28:55.:29:01.

candidate who can unite the party. It is a real possibility he can win

:29:02.:29:06.

again, it is a real proposition, he cannot fill a front bench team

:29:07.:29:10.

completely now, would you serve under Jeremy Corbyn if he wins

:29:11.:29:14.

again? I resigned from Jeremy Corbyn's bench because I left a

:29:15.:29:19.

private meeting with him attended by John McDonnell and it became very

:29:20.:29:23.

clear that not only was the current leadership not able to unite the

:29:24.:29:28.

party, but not willing either. That in my view is completely

:29:29.:29:32.

unsustainable, I cannot defend and support it and I cannot see any way

:29:33.:29:36.

I would serve on his frontbench again. So the party would have to

:29:37.:29:40.

split at that point? I could sit and wildly speculate about the end of

:29:41.:29:44.

the Labour Party but we cannot allow that to happen. Not least because

:29:45.:29:48.

for most of my constituents in Wigan and around the country, that would

:29:49.:29:52.

leave them with no forceful voice in British politics and we cannot allow

:29:53.:29:57.

that to happen. France Maude, your former colleague, was on the

:29:58.:30:00.

programme and he voiced a beer that many Tory MPs feel that without a

:30:01.:30:06.

working opposition, it is bad news for the Serbian government, however

:30:07.:30:09.

much it may seem like it is a wonderful thing to have an

:30:10.:30:10.

opposition not functioning. Francis was absolutely right. Our

:30:11.:30:23.

unwritten constitution depends on an effective opposition holding the

:30:24.:30:26.

government to account in the House of Commons. The House of Commons is

:30:27.:30:32.

where it has to be done. Lisa did a very good job when she was in the

:30:33.:30:35.

Shadow Cabinet and all of us were sad to see her go. But the fact is I

:30:36.:30:40.

do not think the Labour Party can pull it together and I am very

:30:41.:30:44.

worried about the next few months because I think there will be a

:30:45.:30:49.

split in the Labour Party. It may lead to the formation of something

:30:50.:30:54.

stronger and better, but at the moment, although I am glad to say it

:30:55.:30:57.

is one of the few decisions in the last few weeks where I do not have

:30:58.:31:00.

to do anything, I want to see a proper labour opposition led by a

:31:01.:31:02.

proper labour opposition led by a good sound leader.

:31:03.:31:06.

Now, staying with Labour, from today until Wednesday,

:31:07.:31:07.

members of the public can pay ?25 to become a registered

:31:08.:31:10.

supporter of the party, giving them the chance to vote

:31:11.:31:12.

either for Jeremy Corbyn or a challenger to become leader.

:31:13.:31:15.

More than 100,000 new members who've joined since the EU referendum

:31:16.:31:17.

won't get a say, thanks to rules agreed by the ruling

:31:18.:31:21.

National Executive Committee last week.

:31:22.:31:25.

But some in the party aren't happy, including Mr Corbyn.

:31:26.:31:27.

Here he is taking a walk in the park with our Adam,

:31:28.:31:30.

There is going to be some quite intense discussions over the next

:31:31.:31:36.

few days and I hope our party officials and national executive

:31:37.:31:39.

will see sense on this and recognise that those people who have freely

:31:40.:31:43.

given their time and their money to join the Labour Party should be

:31:44.:31:46.

welcomed in and given the opportunity to take part

:31:47.:31:48.

in this crucial debate, whichever way they decide to vote.

:31:49.:31:50.

Well, I'm hoping there will be an understanding that it is simply

:31:51.:31:55.

not very fair to say to people who joined the party

:31:56.:31:58.

in the in the last six months, sorry your participation is no

:31:59.:32:03.

longer welcome because we are having a leadership contest.

:32:04.:32:10.

So, with another meeting of the National Executive

:32:11.:32:12.

Committee due tomorrow, could the new membership

:32:13.:32:15.

rules, which some think will favour Mr Corbyn's

:32:16.:32:17.

And could it all get even more confusing?

:32:18.:32:22.

Well, we're joined now by Christine Shawcroft,

:32:23.:32:24.

Welcome back. Do you think there should be another routers? It is not

:32:25.:32:38.

really the rules, it was a decision made on the timetable. Should be

:32:39.:32:44.

overturned? I do not know if we can overturn it. I will be raising it

:32:45.:32:48.

tomorrow because we have had so many complaints, whether we can overturn

:32:49.:32:54.

that I am not sure. The ?25 and the six months together, one of them on

:32:55.:32:57.

their own might not have been so bad. But it is really people joined

:32:58.:33:04.

on the promise on the website that they would have about in any

:33:05.:33:09.

leadership election. If you overturn it, you will be accused of a stitch

:33:10.:33:14.

up again if you reopen it to maybe people who have not been in the

:33:15.:33:17.

Labour Party long enough and who have not been vetted properly. No

:33:18.:33:23.

one knows the people who have joined since January. It is not in the last

:33:24.:33:27.

few weeks, it is people since January who will not be able to

:33:28.:33:34.

vote, no one knows how those people will vote. It is a simple question

:33:35.:33:40.

of democracy. What do you say about the ?25? It is a lot more than ?3

:33:41.:33:46.

which is what people had to enter to vote in the leadership contest. It

:33:47.:33:50.

looks like you will be accused of a stitch up by trying to restrict the

:33:51.:33:55.

rules. It is very steep but my understanding is part of the reason

:33:56.:33:58.

the NEC reached that conclusion is because we had so many problems when

:33:59.:34:03.

we changed the system last time. One of Nicholas's colleagues, Tim

:34:04.:34:08.

Loughton, he signed up to join the Labour Party to vote for Jeremy

:34:09.:34:13.

Corbyn. My understanding is it was designed to try and stop that. On

:34:14.:34:18.

the general point about six months and the fee, being a member of a

:34:19.:34:22.

political party is a long-term commitment and you have to stick

:34:23.:34:27.

with it, debate and listen as well say your piece and compromise. That

:34:28.:34:31.

is the reason that parties like Labour and the Conservatives have

:34:32.:34:35.

lasted for such a long time. Do you think people who joined the first

:34:36.:34:39.

time round do not hold those sorts of values? No, we have always had a

:34:40.:34:47.

freeze date. When I was selected as an MP, the NEC decided that people

:34:48.:34:52.

had to be a member of the party for a year. It seems to me it is not

:34:53.:34:57.

unreasonable to say that you have to have been in the party for a while

:34:58.:35:01.

and to have taken part in party activity before you get a chance to

:35:02.:35:05.

vote for whoever is our leader. That is not what it says on the website

:35:06.:35:10.

unfortunately. But there needs to be a cut-off point? I was a supporter

:35:11.:35:19.

of a cut-off date. The original recommendation was for ?12 of

:35:20.:35:23.

registered supporters. Somebody suggested ?10, but it was moved by a

:35:24.:35:27.

member of the GMB that it should be ?25. When people have paid ?4 in the

:35:28.:35:38.

middle of January and then they are being asked for another 25... A lot

:35:39.:35:46.

of members have knocked on doors and delivered leaflets in the rain and

:35:47.:35:48.

supported the party through thick and thin when they were pretty

:35:49.:35:53.

depressed about the director of the Labour Party and for those members

:35:54.:35:57.

who have stuck with it and worked hard and kept going and shown

:35:58.:36:01.

loyalty to the party, it is not unreasonable to say that you have to

:36:02.:36:04.

have been in the party for six months before you can vote. Does not

:36:05.:36:11.

show that the divide in labour cannot even be bridged, you are even

:36:12.:36:15.

arguing over these rules? We always argue over the rules. That does not

:36:16.:36:22.

mean there is a huge breach in the labour loyalty. There is. The other

:36:23.:36:29.

we have debates and we all come together at the end of the day. You

:36:30.:36:37.

say that but John McDonnell has said he is convinced the Labour

:36:38.:36:43.

leadership contest will be amicable. And was a brick not thrown through

:36:44.:36:49.

Angela Eagle's office with John McDonnell accusing the useless

:36:50.:36:52.

plotters who failed to get rid of Jeremy Corbyn. A constituency

:36:53.:36:59.

meeting had to be stopped because of violence. There have been no threats

:37:00.:37:08.

or problems at all in my constituency. Why was immediately

:37:09.:37:12.

put out that they had to be stopped? It was nothing to do with people in

:37:13.:37:16.

the Labour Party anyway and it was exaggerated. This is coming from

:37:17.:37:21.

members of the Labour Party who are saying it. The person who was

:37:22.:37:29.

trolling one member was the neo-Nazis professional troll. But

:37:30.:37:35.

this has happened in the time that Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell had

:37:36.:37:37.

been in charge. As a being saturated? I do not think it has. We

:37:38.:37:43.

met in my party a couple of weeks ago and we had to have the police

:37:44.:37:47.

present because of the number of threats and abuse that had been

:37:48.:37:51.

flying around not destiny, but to the chair of my party and other

:37:52.:37:56.

members. Absolutely there are threats from the far right and I

:37:57.:37:59.

have had those since I was elected and many of my colleagues as well.

:38:00.:38:04.

But what is recent is the threats from the left as well and Jeremy

:38:05.:38:08.

Beadle is right to go out and called for a calm and comradely debate, but

:38:09.:38:12.

let's not seek to pretend it is not happening, it is and it is

:38:13.:38:16.

troubling. Not just because nobody should have to live in fear of

:38:17.:38:21.

threats and intimidation and violence, but the effect it has is

:38:22.:38:26.

so many MPs, Labour MPs, particularly women, feel they do not

:38:27.:38:30.

want to get out and engage in public life and say the things they want to

:38:31.:38:35.

say. We cannot allow people to be silent. We will talk more about

:38:36.:38:37.

Politicians from different parties have been attending a conference

:38:38.:38:40.

in London today called 'Reclaim the Internet'.

:38:41.:38:42.

It claims that political debate online has seen rising levels

:38:43.:38:44.

Well, in today's Soapbox, the journalist and Conservative peer

:38:45.:38:49.

Matt Ridley gives us his take on how the internet is shaping the way

:38:50.:38:53.

The world of social media has given us exciting ways

:38:54.:39:07.

of communicating with politicians, our idols, and of delving

:39:08.:39:09.

But it's also fuelling abuse and driving us apart.

:39:10.:39:17.

Schisms of hatred seem to be fracturing the political landscape

:39:18.:39:20.

The police versus the black community in America,

:39:21.:39:25.

Sunni versus Shia, Trump V Hillary, Brexiteers V the Remainers -

:39:26.:39:29.

all are glaring at each other across cyber chasms

:39:30.:39:32.

Social media is polarising our discourse more

:39:33.:39:39.

It amplifies the personal and the extreme, hots up the echo

:39:40.:39:44.

Communications technologies can decide the political temperature.

:39:45.:39:52.

After decades in which they aided moderate discourse outside

:39:53.:39:56.

autocracies, now they're inflaming it.

:39:57.:39:58.

Opinions boil down to a single shout.

:39:59.:40:02.

Not all of this is spontaneous, some of this is the result of deliberate,

:40:03.:40:05.

coordinated and well funded action, creating armies of online trolls.

:40:06.:40:09.

Critics are abused, threatened and misrepresented to silence them.

:40:10.:40:13.

After the shootings in Dallas, terror attacks across the globe,

:40:14.:40:17.

the murder of Joe Cox, and even brutal fear tactics

:40:18.:40:23.

within the Labour Party, we may be entering a more dangerous age.

:40:24.:40:29.

We need to find a way to tame Twitter, fence in Facebook,

:40:30.:40:32.

insist on net neutrality and revive moderation.

:40:33.:40:37.

To do so while respecting free speech and without handing

:40:38.:40:40.

government the power to propagandise and censor, will not be easy.

:40:41.:40:46.

But it must be attempted before the mutual shouting gets worse.

:40:47.:40:55.

What is the evidence that politics has become more polarised as a

:40:56.:41:07.

result of a contributing factor from things like twitter? It is pretty

:41:08.:41:12.

anecdotal so far, but we do have evidence from the past from the way

:41:13.:41:17.

road radio inflamed people in the 1930s, the way radio made the Rwanda

:41:18.:41:25.

crisis worse. We have pretty good evidence, sector by sector in a

:41:26.:41:29.

country that communications technology can have an influence. It

:41:30.:41:35.

did in Nancy Germany and in Rwanda and radio was important because it

:41:36.:41:39.

was controlled by the state. With Twitter it is free, everyone can

:41:40.:41:45.

have a go. That is right, but in the early days of technology it gets

:41:46.:41:49.

violent and extreme and then it gets tamed and calmed down. Television

:41:50.:41:55.

became a centralising force for the latter half of the 20th century and

:41:56.:41:59.

the same may happen to social media. We may be over worrying. Blogs were

:42:00.:42:05.

pretty nasty ten years ago, now nobody minds about them. Perhaps it

:42:06.:42:10.

may tame itself. But I am worried at the moment and it may not be

:42:11.:42:15.

specifically Twitter or Facebook, but the way people seem to be so

:42:16.:42:19.

much more easily polarised on issues and they get very cross very

:42:20.:42:24.

quickly. Is it polarising on a political front or is it personal

:42:25.:42:30.

abuse? If you look back at Margaret Thatcher and Michael Foot, that was

:42:31.:42:34.

polarised politics, ideological and, perhaps what you are talking about

:42:35.:42:39.

is more personal anger and abuse, less to do with politics in that

:42:40.:42:44.

sense. People quite close to each other on the political spectrum can

:42:45.:42:49.

flare-up quite badly on Twitter and social media. Do you agree with

:42:50.:42:55.

that? Have you had any examples? I am a twitter user. I agree entirely

:42:56.:43:04.

with what Matt says. It is the equivalent of the introduction of

:43:05.:43:08.

the breach leg rifle which blew military operations apart and

:43:09.:43:13.

enabled a supreme dominance. I think it is a very dangerous

:43:14.:43:17.

manifestation. We are also worried about how angry people get with each

:43:18.:43:22.

other. It is almost like road rage, and immediate reaction to someone

:43:23.:43:28.

you do not agree with. If anyone is remotely rude to me, which they are

:43:29.:43:33.

the whole time, I delete it. Or you block it? I block it and if you

:43:34.:43:39.

allow the debate to go on it gets more aggressive. I think I can tell

:43:40.:43:44.

when your tongue is in your cheek, but other people might not. But I am

:43:45.:43:53.

not rude offensively. I am not trying to pick a fight with them. I

:43:54.:43:56.

had a fight with Boris on twitter and he got very angry. That is

:43:57.:44:03.

picking a fight. But on a serious point, what can actually be done? I

:44:04.:44:08.

know anecdotally female MPs, particularly on the Labour side, but

:44:09.:44:12.

I am sure it is happening across the board, they are suffering with awful

:44:13.:44:17.

abuse, death threats of the time and it is mainly on twitter. Twitter is

:44:18.:44:24.

a bit different to other forms of social media. Most of my

:44:25.:44:27.

constituents are on Facebook and the debate on Facebook is more about

:44:28.:44:31.

people's lives and families and it is much kinder and with a sense of

:44:32.:44:38.

fun. Twitter attracts many more people, including politicians, who

:44:39.:44:42.

are obsessives, and we get into that world and cannot stop it. There is a

:44:43.:44:47.

problem, what can you do to tackle it? You say it could happen

:44:48.:44:53.

organically. Is there anything else we can do? When I wrote this last

:44:54.:44:57.

week, lots of people got very cross with me on Twitter because they

:44:58.:45:01.

thought I was suggesting censorship because I said we must tame Twitter.

:45:02.:45:07.

What I mean is not government intervention, but social change,

:45:08.:45:12.

cultural change. Fining people? Government might have a role to play

:45:13.:45:16.

in nudging people to being nicer on twitter. I do not know how they will

:45:17.:45:21.

do that. We used to have something called the behavioural team and it

:45:22.:45:25.

was privatised and maybe we can get it back on this case.

:45:26.:45:31.

We could change the debate on Twitter with people in positions

:45:32.:45:38.

like my making sure when we have debates on Twitter, we behave in a

:45:39.:45:44.

way as we would in the real world. You often see people genuinely nice,

:45:45.:45:49.

decent and normal people who would never dream of using the language

:45:50.:45:53.

they do on Twitter. The distance helps. We could set an example. A

:45:54.:46:00.

debate became furious within seconds, do you remember that? Thank

:46:01.:46:03.

you very much. Now, the appointment of

:46:04.:46:06.

Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary raised some eyebrows

:46:07.:46:08.

in the chancelleries of Europe, not least because he's said some

:46:09.:46:10.

rather disobliging things about European politicians

:46:11.:46:12.

in the past, and they've sometimes Well, Mr Johnson seemed to be trying

:46:13.:46:14.

to put all that behind him today as he made his debut

:46:15.:46:22.

on the international stage. Here he is arriving at a meeting

:46:23.:46:24.

of EU foreign ministers in Brussels. Very, very good to be

:46:25.:46:27.

here for my first overseas trip and the message I'll be taking

:46:28.:46:30.

to our friends in the council is that we have to give effect

:46:31.:46:37.

to the will of the people and leave the European Union,

:46:38.:46:41.

but that in no sense means abandoning our leading role

:46:42.:46:44.

in European cooperation I had a very good conversation

:46:45.:46:50.

to that effect last night with high representative Mogherini

:46:51.:47:01.

and she agreed very much that that was a role Britain should

:47:02.:47:03.

continue to play. Boris Johnson speaking

:47:04.:47:08.

earlier today in Brussels. So, can a man who has in the past

:47:09.:47:10.

managed to offend everyone from Barack Obama to Hillary Clinton

:47:11.:47:13.

to the President of Turkey really get on in a top job that requires

:47:14.:47:16.

a sensitive diplomatic touch? Well, we're joined now

:47:17.:47:19.

by the Spectator He's written a book called the Wit

:47:20.:47:20.

and Wisdom of Boris Johnson. Can he? I think he can. You can see

:47:21.:47:31.

in that clip, he is already trying to be serious. In the day's

:47:32.:47:34.

Telegraph, he has stopped his column and he has paid back half ?1 million

:47:35.:47:42.

in an advance for a biography of Shakespeare so is making a big

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effort to be serious. It is going to be really hard work for him, it is

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not his natural domain, you have conceded that. How long before that.

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Art? There are two forces in the mind of Boris. One is to use. He

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sees a joke and he is logging to amuse. The other force is to be

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incredibly ambitious. As a little boy, he said he wanted to be world

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King. This is his step to becoming world King. Is that the right person

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to be on the diplomatic stage after an attempted coup in Turkey? I have

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had my differences with Boris and I agree entirely, he will be a very

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good Foreign Secretary. Because he is a very clever man. Secondly, we

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need people who can get on with people in politics. He is very

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affable, Boris. We are going to open a new world. And we need people like

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that who are recognisable, understandable and company and

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support. I will make a forecast that he would be an outstanding Foreign

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Secretary. What did you mean when you said, Mr Johnson was seriously

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adrift in the argument when he blames Barack Obama of the cup -- of

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hypocrisy for telling British voters to remain in the EU and he

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questioned his part union ancestry, and you said he was wrong and

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everything. This was during a referendum campaign -- Kenyan. You

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said stupid things about President Obama and my grandfather. How will

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he become a good Foreign Secretary? He is reverting to type. He will now

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be bringing all those... I did have a big fight with him. But he will be

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an outstanding Foreign Secretary. Is it all right to say stupid and

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offensive things about our allies. And remember the comparison he made

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with EU constitutions that they would carrying on God expansionism

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of Adolf Hitler. Can people get over that? Boris makes joke, some of

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which are deeply offensive, the part Kenyan ancestry is bordering on

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racism and disgraceful for any politician. I am not concerned

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whether he has offended many people, he clearly has, but whether he is

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capable of telling the truth. And listening to what he said in the

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referendum campaign. Riding around with that figure on that bus. He has

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written things that he must know if he is very clever, that is not true.

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Being a buffoon is one thing but a Foreign Secretary that is

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fundamentally dishonest, this country is in real trouble. What

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about those claims that people including Boris Johnson distanced

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themselves from? The thing about Boris is that for 20 years, he was

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on extremely successful journalist and columnist and you have to

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attract leaders and so he entertains. We are talking about the

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truth. No, the supposed gaffes ways to entertain leaders. He has to make

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the transition to a serious Foreign Secretary and he can leave

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journalism behind. People will be offended and it was very

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uncharacteristic, the comment Barack Obama coming he is not malicious,

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that was wrong. Will he be truthful about what he

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says? The claims about the Turkish people coming to the EU, 75 million

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joining now, the ?350 million a week is sent to Brussels, and that amount

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will be spent on the NHS, is that true? It was like the build-up to a

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general election when people sex up what is going to happen and the

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manifestos do not necessarily take place. He did not just bring up that

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figure of the ?350 million, it was put out by the Brexit campaign. But

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he is the Foreign Secretary. We will see, I think we will be going

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through transition Boris. He will still be amusing, you cannot help

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that. But he will say goodbye to the supposedly gaffes. How will the

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Russians greet him? He described Putin is a character from Harry

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Potter and a manipulative tyrant. You could produce endless examples.

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I can! They recent things. You could produce endless examples but

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business is business, he is now the Foreign Secretary, he would behave

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like a Foreign Secretary and he will bring charisma and excitement and

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more than anything else, Britain needs a recognisable figure as

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Foreign Secretary. What if that recognisable figure is a disaster?

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You do not know that. You seem to be arguing he will be fantastic on the

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basis of no evidence. The evidence points to the country. I hope for

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the sake of Britain that he does get serious and discover the truth for

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the first time in his life and stop needlessly offended our allies.

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Nobody is denying his abilities, he is a very clever and brilliant man.

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But I make this forecast to you that he will be a fantastic Foreign

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Secretary. We will get you both back on. Thank you very much.

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Now, we're saying goodbye to Lisa Nandy at this point

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in the programme because she's got to dash off to the hustings

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between the two candidates who want to challenge Jeremy Corbyn

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Thanks for being with us, Lisa, and have fun.

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Now, politics continues to surprise everyone,

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In a moment, we'll talk to a journalist who will be hoping

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as she covers all the big developments this week.

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But first, let's take a look at some of the big events in the diary.

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Tomorrow, US State Secretary John Kerry arrives in London on his first

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Also, on Tuesday, Prime Minister May holds her first Cabinet meeting,

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with plenty of new faces and some rather old ones too.

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Another first for Theresa May on Wedneday - PMQs against JC.

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Live on the Daily Politics, of course!

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Wednesday also sees the close of nominations for challengers

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to the Labour leadership and is also the last day for non-members to sign

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The Prime Minister will travel to Berlin for a "working dinner"

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The following day, she will meet President Hollande in Paris.

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And Parliament doesn't even make it to the end of the week,

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as MPs and peers finish up on Thursday.

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They'll all be back at work on 5th September.

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Isabel Hardman, from the Spectator...

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The camera supporters had been sent to the backbenches, will that be a

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problem for Theresa May? I was surprised given she had a reputation

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for being cautious that she had such a brutal clear out of the goblet

:55:05.:55:08.

frontbench and there are threats from Cameron supporters and those

:55:09.:55:12.

around George Osborne that there will be revenge for this and she has

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a small majority and it has not changed and when you have a

:55:19.:55:21.

reshuffle, it you upset people who have lost their job or want a job.

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Perhaps she's not intending to get through controversial legislation

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during the Premiership, she will struggle to do that practically.

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What about Scotland? The talks with Nicola Sturgeon and this idea of, I

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am going to give Scotland a say, says Theresa May. What does that

:55:42.:55:45.

mean in practice? Nicola Sturgeon does not have a veto on the decision

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to have left the EU although she would like Scotland to stay as part

:55:52.:55:56.

of it. Theresa May's UK wide approach as she calls it has

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concerned people that Scotland's does have a veto that would cause

:56:03.:56:10.

resentment and upset Tory Eurosceptics, which the reason may

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need to worry about. Downing Street have denied this is a veto --

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Theresa May. It depends on the talks with the devolved administrations

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and how well her ministers for six mat like David Davis get on with the

:56:24.:56:27.

officials from the devolved administrations. What about Labour,

:56:28.:56:38.

will Angela Eagle drop out? She seems to be bleeding support to Owen

:56:39.:56:43.

Smith for MPs minded to support somebody like Angela Eagle but they

:56:44.:56:47.

want to dislodge Jeremy Corbyn and think that is the most important

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thing. If Owen Smith can win amongst the Labour membership and is more

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appealing than Angela Eagle, even though she has done the brave thing

:56:56.:57:00.

and went and did the challenge first and is also a women -- a woman which

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a lot of female MPs want a female leader at some point this century,

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you may feel they have two abandon her to get rid of Jeremy Corbyn

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which is the most important problem. Plenty to be chasing over the

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Summer! Have a good break if you get one!

:57:18.:57:20.

There's just time before we go to find out the answer to our quiz.

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The question was: Which new playground craze did our Adam

:57:25.:57:26.

introduce to to Jeremy Corbyn on the Sunday Politics?

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It has to be Pokemon Go. No flies on year!

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Let's have a look and see if you're right.

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So you are holding up the Pokemon and you have to move aside.

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Seamus is blocking the Pokemon, no, the Pokemon is OK.

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So there's Crabby, he's jumping up and down.

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And then what you do is you use this ball and you throw it at them to try

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Well, my work this morning has not been in vain.

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We might be the judge of that! How did you know that? I have a teenage

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son. Yes. What does he think of it? I saw in the papers it was becoming

:58:30.:58:34.

a craze so I assumed your man would not be behind the curve. Indeed, and

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now the is Jeremy Corbyn. Well done, you got the answer right. -- and now

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the is. The One O'clock News is starting

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over on BBC One now. I'll be here at noon

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tomorrow with all the big

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Jo Coburn is joined by Nicholas Soames and Lisa Nandy for the latest political news, interviews and debate. They look at the vote to renew Trident in the Commons and Labour's leadership hustings. Writer Matt Ridley gives his thoughts on how social media is affecting politics and journalist Harry Mount discusses what sort of foreign secretary Boris Johnson will be.


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