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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.


Theresa May leaves Downing Street for her first


what will be her approach to taking on Jeremy Corbyn?


We'll bring that live and uninterrupted.


travels to Berlin to meet the world's most powerful woman.


Brexit will surely dominate that conversation,


will it dominate Theresa May's Premiership too?


leaving Owen Smith to go head-to-head with Jeremy Corbyn


But is he Citizen Smith or oily Owen?


And Boris gets a lesson in diplomacy from the America's top diplomat.


We intend to make good things happen. Just stop there. It is


called diplomacy. LAUGHTER Yes, it is going well, John.


Characteristic start for Boris Johnson there are, in the world of


diplomacy. All that in the next hour a a half


and with us for the whole of the programme today


from Labour's Shadow Cabinet, Cat Smith, who is a close ally


of Jeremy Corbyn, and the newly appointed Housing Minister,


Gavin Barwell. So, in half an hour Theresa May


will come to despatch box for her very first


Prime Minister's Questions and we'll find out how she'll


handle Jeremy Corbyn. But a week into her premiership


what do we already know about the priorities


of a Theresa May government? In her first speech outside


Downing Street last week, Theresa May put a heavy emphasis


on social justice. She highlighted the lack


of opportunity for white working the difficulty for young people


trying to own their first home, and families that


"have a job" but "don't Yesterday at her first Cabinet


meeting, the new Prime Minister underlined that agenda,


saying her government will not be In her speech she stressed her


commitment to the Union, so she made it a priority to visit


the First Minister of Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, and the first


Minister of Wales, Carwyn Jones She now turns her attention


to international leaders. US Secretary of State John Kerry


was in London yesterday. And within hours of taking


over at Number 10, Theresa May spoke to


President Hollande of France and Chancellor Merkel of Germany


on the phone, to prepare for the


formal negotiations, but after PMQs this afternoon


she will be off to Berlin for her first foreign trip to meet


Mrs Merkel face to face. Theresa May wants to put social


justice at the centre of her premiership, the sort of reform she


is talking about, widening university access, improving


homeownership, something you will be focusing upon, how will it be


funded? On housing front, in my area, the last conference of


spending review with double the budget, a couple of things we need


to do on the housing front, first build more homes in this country,


across parties there is a consensus that under governments of all kinds,


we have not been building of homes. Also make sure that as we heard


outside of number ten, young people getting onto the housing ladder.


More money spent. Big starter project under way, lots of work that


we want to progress. It is really important that if we can work hard,


ordinary decent jobs, then we get a chance to get them onto the housing


ladder. So you want the government to spend more money to create these


reforms. The government is in favour of that, spending was doubled. The


deficit was higher than forecast, by ?2 billion, and the IMF, among


others, are downgrading expectations for UK growth in light of the


referendum bud, fewer tax receipts and less money. -- referendum vote.


We have not seen data yet, the Chancellor of the Exchequer has


said, in terms of fiscal strategy, that we are not going to be aiming


to achieve a surplus in 2020 but as I said there is already resource,


there is things we can do to make others make a contribution, we have


consulted on the idea that when developers build out a development,


20% of homes they develop could be starter homes, they could be sold


only to first-time buyers, at a 20% reduction, it is not just about what


the government spends, we can look at what other people can do to


achieve that. You may need that. Interesting new raise the idea of


abandoning plans to reach a budget surplus, which George Osborne wanted


to do, it has been dumped by Theresa May, despite the downgrading by the


IMF, she wants to put growth at the front before deficit reduction, so


in your mind, the deficit must go up, and continue to go up, it has


gone up already, if more money must be spent, then the deficit will go


up, perhaps the short term, to pay for this. The government is still


committed to deficit reduction but the issue is about whether you go on


to achieve a surplus by 2020. We are in a much stronger position than


2010, the deficit has been reduced significantly. It has not been


eliminated. It is still ?74 billion. The government cannot spend loads


more money without funding it. If you cannot spend more money to fund


reforms and you do not want the deficit to come down... I blame, in


the spending review we had last year, George Osborne doubled the


housing budget, there is funding in the government plans already in that


area... Not just housing. Important thing to stress, when we set out the


fiscal strategy in the first place, we gave ourselves room to adjust the


strategy if there was a shock, the decision we took on the 23rd of June


is a big change to the economic policy. Taking advantage of the


flexibility. The Chancellor has made it clear, still an objective to


bring down the deficit is not what some other areas, keen to talk about


housing, that is your brief, teachers have been out on strike,


most of that has been on funding, spending per pupil is falling by 8%


over the parliament. That is according to the Institute for


Fiscal Studies. Should that cut be halted? As a government we will look


at the next budget, and all of the spending priorities, what I would


say to you, there is lots of things we can do to address those problems,


at the moment we are looking for national funding to come in. --


waiting for. Some parts of the country have had education funding


level that have been... Should London received less money in terms


of education because traditionally it has personal had more funding


than other parts of the country? It is not necessarily a London against


the rest of the country area, many of us in outer London would say that


we have been disadvantaged relative to in London, but what is right is


to have a fair national funding... You have not answered the question,


is it going to fall because the previous Conservative government


pledged commitment to education spending increasing, the below that


may have increased very slightly, but per-pupil funding is going to


fall, because of the increased number of pupils, is that something


that should be stopped? Long term, the government is going to have to


make decisions about spending priorities. Should education be one


of them? That is not the media decide, what is vital is that we


look at the overall priorities we have in government and we cannot, we


are not in a position where we can afford to increase the deficit, the


commitment to continuing to bring down the deficit is there a. That


will probably continue, as it stands, more pupils, per-pupil


spending will fall? The government will always keep the different


spending budgets under review, that is for the new cabinet to decide, I


cannot answer that question. You will have some input. We are not in


a position where we can begin spending money that is not funded,


we must continue to bring down the deficit. Health, the Chief Executive


of NHS England, Simon Stevens, yesterday said that some GP


practices and hospital facilities are overcrowded and clapped-out


buildings, in need of a makeover, capital investment is needed, should


he get it? That is not a decision that -- that is not a decision I can


take. Education or health? Health has been a major priorities in 2010.


There has been a significant increase. There is still overcrowded


and clapped-out buildings in need of a makeover, NHS hospitals in England


are operating on a 2.45 billion deficit, some might say that you


have not been focusing. There is a waste going to be people saying that


there is more that can be done. Billion deficit, that is a very big


deficit. There has been a very significant real terms injection of


money into the NHS. -- two .45 billions pounds deficit. What can be


achieved for efficiency, and George Osborne put in more than the figure


that he was asking for. That clearly, undeniably, has been a very


significant priority for the government. -- 2.45 billion.


Obviously there is still a black hole, according to the man who


should know, Simon Stephens, he also wants assurances about NHS staff


from other EU countries, in the Grexit world we are now living.


Should they get those assurances about whether they will be able to


stay? The government has made it clear that we fully spec EU citizens


in this country to enjoy... You expect but cannot guarantee? I think


we have got to think about both situations, people in this country,


have been here, making a big contribution to public services and


the economy and the communities. -- fully expect. We also have British


citizens in other EU countries, one of the key thing is that the Prime


Minister and the government as a whole need to achieve as part of the


negotiation getting under way is secure both of those people's


rights. Do you accept the "Brexit" result, and the world that we are


operating in? It is important to accept the result of the referendum


and I think as a country, we need to make sure that we negotiate an exit


that is the exit that the British people want. And what was that? I


don't think the British people voted to stop universities working across


Europe, and research project, and I don't think the vote was a rejection


of the single market, I think that the referendum was absolutely fought


on issues around immigration, that is the conversation we should be


having. What do you think should happen to levels of migration? I


think the concern that I certainly heard from my constituency voted out


was a lot to do with job security, something that Theresa May has said.


What about levels of migration, the numbers, that is what a lot of


people want to know. The levels of migration itself was not something I


had raised with me. What you they should be? We need to make sure that


we have a level of migration that means we can run public services, we


need to accept that the NHS needs to have EU workers, EU nurses, working


in hospitals, doctors, we need the best and brightest from around the


world. Hundreds of thousands or tens of thousands? I'm not going to put a


number on that, that is something that as a country we need to look at


with the facts. We need to speak with Simon Segars, around how


many... You accept the Brexit vote was about immigration. Yes, it was


about levels of immigration. -- Simon Stephens. Shouldn't the Labour


Party have a number in terms of immigration, if that is what people


were voting upon? The number itself is not important, people need to


know that their jobs are secure and wages will not be undercut but we


have levels of migration which means that we can deliver the world-class


NHS that we all know and love. Perhaps you do not want to give a


figure because it is difficult to keep to the figure, as we have


experienced under a Conservative government, tens of thousands, when


Theresa May was Home Secretary was not achieved by any margin. While


you are within the EU single market with freedom of movement and given


that our economy has been performing, latest job figures out,


another fall in the people out of work, while you are in the single


market and the economy is doing very well and the Eurozone less well,


clearly it has not been possible to achieve the commitment. Why are you


continuing tens of thousands as a target? As a country we have taken


the decision to leave the EU, we will not be able to do it


immediately, we will not be leaving... What is the level of


non-EU migration as it stand? There is further action... It is 150,000.


It is not just that, there are concerns about infrastructure,


keeping up with population growth, there are concerns about integration


into societies, a range of issues around immigration, not just


numbers, you cannot say that numbers are not a part of it. Ayew clear


that the government must stick to the number of tens of thousands?


Boris Johnson and Amber Rudd are refusing to state or restate that


commitment. Yes, we made a promise, we must be honest, while we are


still in the EU, we will not be able to achieve that given free movement,


but the longer term objective should be to achieve that. Boris Johnson


said that we should not have a target at all because it will result


in disappointing people. I stood on a manifesto, the policy of the


government, we should be looking to achieve that. Should ministers in


the government be restating what the policy is? And the ten has made it


clear that we are committed to the target. They should make it clear,


as Foreign Secretary and Home Secretary. We should be clear, about


the government objective. -- as Foreign Secretary and Home


Secretary. She wanted to land the top


job in Labour politics but in the end the Eagle


didn't even take off. Last night Angela Eagle pulled out


of the Labour leadership contest, leaving the way clear


for her colleague Owen Smith to go head to head with


Jeremy Corbyn. This morning Owen Smith's


been touring the TV studios I've grown up in the Labour


movement, I understand what we're We want a more equal, socially just,


economically fair society. We want everybody to have


opportunities. But we've got to have


concrete ideas to do that. What we need to be great at


is solutions. You know, yes, we're anti-austerity,


but what does that mean? It means we've got to be


pro-prosperity for everybody, It means we need to invest


in this country, so I'm saying let's


have a British new deal. We're joined now


by the Labour MP Chris Bryant, who is an Owen Smith supporter,


and Cat Smith is still here. Owen Smith is not going to win, is


he? Already we have seen polling that suggest Jeremy Corbyn is 56% to


Owen's 36, is it? Only 30% of Labour members said they had even heard of


Owen Smith, he has got a mountain to climb. You have already decided who


is going to win, and I don't think it's like that. The numbers indicate


that. Opinion polls, before it was known who the candidate was going to


be, probably not a very good guide to what the eventual result will be.


In my constituency party, we had a meeting ten days ago, there were new


members of the Labour Party who joined a year ago, I had never met


them before, I have spoken to them on a fun, but many of them are


saying, I joined the party to support Jeremy Corbyn but it is not


working, we are not a credible opposition with Jeremy as leader,


and I think he should go. So I think the Labour Party is changing very


rapidly, and I think people will want to take a long, hard look at


where the party is, and in the end it is either continuity Corbyn, with


all the problems of the last ten months, not able to mount a proper


opposition, or press the recent button with a new leader. That is an


important point, the idea that it is not a credible opposition is


something Jeremy Corbyn was passionate about, he criticised the


Neil Kinnock for not being credible, John Smith for not being credible


opposition, so when the accusation comes from 172 of his own MPs, he is


in trouble. There is no denying that the Labour Party is not punching as


it should be against the Government right now, we are not doing our job,


holding the Government to account. I would agree with you on that, but it


really does need the Labour Party in Westminster to come together to make


that happen, and what we have seen... The specific allegation is


that it is Jeremy Corbyn who was not the effective opposition. Politics


is never about one person, it is about policies and ideas and the


collective, and that is a very important part of the Labour


movement. Me and Chris both have so much that we agree on, and if we


work together, we are more powerful. Sorry, I did not want to talk over


you, but what is absolutely right is that we need to be a team, but you


need to have a leader who is building a team, and I desperately


wanted to make it work with Jeremy when you asked me to be in his


Shadow Cabinet, but I sat in meeting after meeting and said, in meeting


after meeting we have to put a much more convincing case on Europe in


the referendum, and a speech after speech that Jeremy Naylor undermined


the campaign. He is not able to deliver that opposition, and he


never crafts a team. Isn't the fact that he helped not been able to


build it yet and will not be able to build it now? I would disagree, I


think the strength of the Labour Party is with our members, and over


250,000 of them did vote for Jeremy Corbyn, and some of those will have


changed their mind, as Chris pointed out earlier, but many more people


have come into the party because they feel inspired by the idea is


that he has put forward, and we have changed the party and his


leadership, and we are now an anti-austerity party, and I believe


that we connect much more easily with our electors and on the


doorstep those conversations are a whole lot easier. But the idea that


he is inspiring, whips in your party nominated Owen Smith, people on the


front bench nominated Owen Smith. They clearly do not think, and I


have heard this from one of your colleagues, referring to Owen Smith


as Blair likes - so anyone who does not agree with Jeremy is a Blairite?


I find that term really an helpful, Blairite. He has left front line


politics for all the time I have been active. I joined the party


under Blair, but he left shortly afterwards. No cause there! But I


think we need to move on as a party and drop that term, Blairite. Chris,


supporters are trying to move on from something they think does not


work. We are all trying to move on from that, and we are in a different


space than we were back in 2006, when Blair left. I don't think


Jeremy can do it, that is the difference between us. I accept that


we have to press the reset button, we cannot be the party we were 15


years ago, because the world has moved on. There are massive issues


we need to take on now, following the Brexit vote and so on, and we


have got to listen hard to what voters said during that campaign, in


the forgotten part of this country, what feels like the left side parts


of this country, which includes my own constituency in the Rhondda. I


think Owen is ideally suited to do that job, but what he can do which


Jeremy cannot is unite the party. What unifies both of you is that you


are in a real Catch-22. Jeremy Corbyn cannot control the Labour


Party as it is at the moment in Parliament, he has a real problem


with that, and you cannot necessarily find a candidate who can


defeat that overwhelming majority of members who wanted Jeremy Corbyn.


You are both stuck in a party that is in crisis. I'm not sure that is


right, because I think Owen can and will win this election. Lots of


people do not yet know him, lots of Labour members, but what they have


seen of him they like. I think they will be convinced, that we need to


move on, that we can take the fight to this chap... Who was Bobby


sitting here enjoy all of this! It is not good for the country not to


have an effective opposition. There are so few people left on the Labour


front bench that they cannot form an effective opposition. It is


important that we are a Parliamentary democracy, it is not


just about the leader, it is about being able to create a whole team.


Owen can build a whole team which is an alternative government in


waiting. I want to get Cat in on this, he has threatened, if he does


not win, I know you don't want to accept that possibility, but the


Labour Party could split. He hasn't said that. Would it be his fault if


it did? No, I said to Jeremy in the conversations I had with him, you


are the only person who can break this logjam. But I think that Owen,


by taking the Labour Party and building a team of people that


includes people of diverse opinions, and I think Cat is right, there is


no point talking about Blairite and Brownite, although Sterns. It is


another millennium, frankly. -- all those terms. He said that split was


a dangerously real threat. It is not anything that I would want to see,


because it is a fact of life in our parliamentary system that if you


want to form a government, you have to be a broad coalition. Cat, he was


offered the post of president of the Labour Party by Owen Smith, why


wouldn't he take that? Jeremy has never wanted a grand title, that is


not why he ran to be leader of the Labour Party, he ran because he had


ideas to change lives. Some honorary position... Does he want the grand


title of Prime Minister, does he think he can get it? I don't think


he craves the personal glory of office, if you would - it is more


about being able to effect change, which is what the Labour Party is


about. I have been knocking on doors for the Labour Party under four


leaders, and whoever wins this election, and we do not know what


the outcome will be, I will serve the leader of the Labour Party,


because I am a Labour MP. You cannot change lives unless you are in


government, and I do not think Jeremy is capable of that. You


always wanted the last word, and you got it, Chris Bryant! Don't do that


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You read that very well, that is normally my peace!


It's coming up to midday here - just take a look at Big Ben -


and that can mean only one thing, yes, Prime Minister's Questions -


Theresa May's first Prime Minister's Questions -


and as it is her first, we thought we would remind you


of how her predecessors dealt with their first appearances


at the despatch box as Prime Minister.


When the new Prime Minister arrives to the fervent jeers of a


Conservative Party, just relieved to have the whole messy business of the


succession over... Sits down, please!


Now, wait a while. Will he accept that the populist taxi proposals on


fat cats would in fact be a tax that hits most those who have least? I


shall resist the temptation to say that was the sound bite since I


know... Since I have IP link are used to use a few of those myself at


one time! -- I have a feeling. I have been in this job for five


days... In our happy coalition, they will have the right to abstain on


it, and in terms of the grand, I do not have a specific answer for


her... It is a funny old thing, I will give accurate answers, rather


than make them up on the spot! And for his first PMQ's appearance


on the Daily Politics sofa as deputy political editor,


we're joined by John Pienaar. Welcome, what about the style of


Theresa May, what are you expecting? It will be very different from


anything we have seen and David Cameron's era. When it comes to the


joust across the floor, we are used to the rapier as the weapon of


choice, the flashing blade, quick one-liners. We will have to get used


to something quite different. Their weapon of choice, to torture this


analogy, is the mace and chain. Traditional weapon, then! She will


be looking to land a blow or two, Jeremy Corbyn has to joust a bit, it


is not just her first appearance, it is the last before the recess, and


you get that kind of jousting going on on this occasion. I am told she


has one two lines in a back pocket, which I am also told that she dreamt


up herself. You didn't have speech writers with her overnight? She has


her team, the chief of staff, a policy adviser was there, Alex


Dawson, and her Parliamentary aide, all around the table, drilling her


for questions, not playing roles, as we have seen in the past, but just


checking questions that she can bat away in the way that she does. But


she is not lightning fast, low like a butterfly, sting like a be dumb


act bee. I think she will be a swinging mace, so when Jeremy Corbyn


engages, she will swing, he will be lit. Difficult for Jeremy Corbyn


across the despatch box, because he always wanted a less combative


style, will it be harder to perform that kind of swimming tarmac


swinging mace at him when he is less fiery? Yeah, the first point is, it


is as interesting to watch the leaders and their relationship with


backbenchers as anything across the chamber. He is on the line, his


leadership and authority is on the line. Theresa May could not be more


secure. We will cover a number of pressing


international issues and tomorrow I shall visit Paris for some of the


discussions with Francois Hollande. , Warmly welcome the Prime Minister


to her place and can I also ask, given her unwavering commitment to


deliver economic stability and national security, in our United


Kingdom's interest, does she welcome Monday's emphatic vote in this house


for the Trident successor programme? Can I thank my honourable friend for


his kind remarks, and thank him for enthusiastic the welcoming the


debate in this house to renew the nuclear deterrent, showing that we


have not only committed to our own national security but also consider


the security of our European and Nato allies. We can now get on with


the essential job of renewing our nuclear deterrent, and can I thank


those on 140 Labour members of Parliament, who put the national


interest first. And who voted to renew the nuclear deterrent. Jeremy


Corbyn. Thank you, Mr Speaker, can I welcome the right honourable member


to her first PMQs, and congratulate her on her appointment and becoming


the country's second woman Prime Minister. I hope that she will agree


with me that this house and prime ministers Question Time should be an


opportunity to debate seriously the issues that face our country and our


place in the world. On the steps of Downing Street, she spoke very


eloquently about fighting burning injustice... Yet, her last act as


Home Secretary was to shut the Orgreave enquiry into the long


grass. -- shove. The IPCC told Home Office officials that if it


announced any action to set up an enquiry or any other investigation


to investigate Orgreave, it would impact the Hillsborough


investigation, that has been disputed, was Parliament misled?


Will the Prime Minister now proceed with a full public enquiry into the


terrible events at Orgreave? Can I thank the right honourable gentleman


for the welcome that he has given me, can I say to him, he refers to


me as the second woman Prime Minister, in my years here in my


house, I have long had the Labour Party asking what the Conservative


Party does for women... LAUGHTER SHOUTING


I welcome the comments he has made about prime ministers, we do make


serious issues, I look forward to the exchanges that he and I will


have and I hope that we will be having them over this dispatch box


for many years to come! CHEERING As regards the Orgreave enquiry, the


Shadow Home Secretary has an urgent question on that this afternoon,


which the Home Secretary will be responding to. Jeremy Corbyn. The


new Prime Minister also said on the steps of Downing Street,


" if you are young you will find it harder than ever before to own your


own home". In 1998, more than half of working households of people aged


16 to 34 were buying their own homes, now it is 25%, the resolution


foundation suggests this wilful to 10% in the next nine years. What


figure has the Prime Minister set herself for home ownership among


young people? I know the timeline that has been referred to, he may


have forgotten that during that period we had 13 years of a Labour


government. 13 years of a Labour government which had a very bad


record in terms of house-building. This is the government that is going


to change that, this government is going to put more into building more


homes, to ensure that young people do have a better opportunity to get


on the housing ladder. That is why we are a government that


will be governing for everybody in this country. CHEERING


That Labour government put a decent house standard in place in every


part of this country. -- home standard. I am not sure... SHOUTING


I am not sure, Mr Speaker, that starter homes


at ?450,000 for young people earning 7% less than their parents


generation is actually a very good prospect for people owning their own


homes. The Prime Minister is rightly concerned, Mr Speaker, she said


this, if you are black you are treated more harshly than if you are


white. Before appointing her new Foreign Secretary, did she discuss


with him his description of black people as you can in these and why


he questioned the motives of the US president, Barack Obama, on his part


Kenyan heritage? -- like people as piccaninnies. I have sat on these


benches and heard him raise that with the right honourable friend for


Whitney, when he was Prime Minister, on a number of occasions. Let nukes


blamed this, if you look at house prices across the country, they


vary, in Liverpool, the average house price is ?116,000, in London,


the average house price is just over ?676,000. That is why we have a


higher limit for the starter home figure in London, if he objects to


that, he needs to tell his constituents why he is against them


having opportunities to get on the housing market? He refers to the


remarks that I made, and it is correct, if you are black you will


be treated more harshly in the criminal justice system, it is


exactly why, as Home Secretary, I dealt with the issue of stop and


search, I was concerned to make sure that nobody should be stopped and


searched on the streets of this country because of the colour of


their skin. I did that as a conservative, 13 years of Labour did


nothing on it. Jeremy Corbyn. My question was about the language used


by the Foreign Secretary, earlier this week, the new Chancellor


abandoned the budget surplus target. As Labour has long called for. Her


government is already missing targets on debt, deficit, welfare


count and productivity. Six years of government austerity has failed. The


long-term economic plan is clearly dead. Is there a new one? It is the


long-term economic plan that has delivered the record level of


employment that we see... CHEERING Perhaps I could put the right


honourable gentleman straight, we have not abandoned the intention to


move to a surplus, what I have said is that we will not be targeting


that at the end of this Parliament. He uses the language of austerity...


Can I say this to him, he talks about austerity, I call it living


within our means. CHEERING He talks about austerity, in fact it


is about not saddling children and grandchildren with significant debts


to come. It is not about austerity, it is about ensuring we have an


economy that works for everyone. Jeremy Corbyn. Jobless claims have


risen for the fourth month in a row, welfare claims have risen as well.


Austerity actually means people being poorer, services being cut,


and local facilities being closed. In her speech on the steps of


Downing Street, she also addressed insecure workers, saying, you have a


job but you do not always have job security. SHOUTING


Does that mean, to those people that are worried about their future in


work... SHOUTING I am talking of the people that sent


us here to serve them. Does that mean that she is proposing to scrap


and lemon tribunal fees, band zero hours contracts, repeal the trade


union act, as more than a dozen European nations have already done,


that would help to give greater job security to many very worried people


in this country. Again I say to the right honourable gentleman, I did


say that on the streets of Downing Street, it is very important that


here in this house, we consider not only what might be called the more


of these injustices but consider the life for those people for whom they


are in work but struggling to make ends meet. It is essential, that is


one of the things that the government has done, it has raised


the threshold at which people start to pay income tax, for example. It


is also about making sure that we have more well-paid jobs in this


country. That is also what the government is doing. I'm interested


that he refers to the situation of some workers, who may have some job


insecurity, and potentially, unscrupulous bosses, I suspect that


there are many members on the opposition benches who may be


familiar with an unscrupulous boss... LAUGHTER


A boss who does not listen to his workers? SHOUTING


Requires some of his workers to double their workload... SHOUTING


LAUGHTER Maybe even a boss who exploits the


rules to further his own career. Remind him of anybody? SHOUTING


Mr Speaker, we are sent here to


represent people. And there are many people in this country struggling


with insecure jobs, with low wages, I know this is very funny for all


Conservative members, but I don't suppose, I do not suppose there is


too many Conservative MPs who have to go to a food bank in order to


supplement their family table every week! I think that we should reflect


upon those things. The Prime Minister highlighted the failures of


her predecessor, on social justice, homeownership, education and the


cost of living. Some might say that as a cabinet minister, she too was


responsible for that but she empathised with working people when


she said, " I know you are working around the clock, I know you are


doing your best, I know that sometimes life can be a struggle".


Yesterday the IFA has found that two thirds of children living in poverty


in Britain have at least one parent in work. -- IFS. What, other than


warm words, is she going to offer those families, those children, who


are hungry often and very insecure in their living? Isn't it our duty


to offer some hope and security to them? We are concerned about those


people but the answer is not unlimited uncapped welfare, as the


Labour Party say, the answer for people who are


in work and struggling in work and the answer for those that want to


get into work is to have a strong economy, an economy which delivers


jobs and well-paid jobs, and that is why I can assure the right


honourable gentleman that on this side of the house, we are focused


upon building a country which works for everyone, an economy which


ensures that everyone can benefit from the nation's 12, a society


where everyone gets the opportunities they deserve, and a


democracy that everyone can have faith in. And finally, I say to the


right honourable gentleman, the Labour Party may be about to spend


several months of fighting and tearing itself apart, the


Conservative Party will be spending those months ringing this country


back together. -- benefit from the nation's wealth.


SHOUTING There will be more.


I agree with the Prime Minister... SHOUTING




We are leaving the EU and we are going to make a success of it, will


the Prime Minister make my Day special by saying that she is


prepared to reject staying in the single regulated market, and


offering instead to our friends in Europe a free-trade deal, very much


in their interests, let's take back control! I'm tempted to say that


after that... Aisha Praught be sit down and enjoy that for the rest of


the day... My honourable friend has made my day. -- I should probably


sit down and enjoy that the rest of the day. Happy birthday to him, I


should say that, and as we look at the result of the referendum, I am


very clear that Brexit means Brexit, we will make a success of it, what


we need to do in negotiating the deal is listen to what people have


said about the need for controlled on free movement but also negotiate


the right deal and the best deal of trade in goods and services for the


British people. Angus Roberts and. -- Angus Robertson.


The German vice Chancellor has already confirmed how Scotland is


able to remain in the European Union. Did the Prime Minister


discussed this when she met with First Minister Nicola Sturgeon


Wenzhou was in Edinburgh, and will she do everything to ensure that


remain means remain for Scotland? -- when she was in Edinburgh. Can I


thank the right honourable gentleman for his comments and the recognition


that he showed the support for my husband, and as he said then, we all


rely on support from those around cum to do our jobs, and we should


never forget that. I did discuss the arrangements for the UK leaving the


EU, and I was very pleased that my first trip was to Scotland and that


I was able to do it so early in my premiership, as I have been very


clear, the Union is very important to me. I was also clear with the


First Minister that I think there are some ideas being put forward


that are impractical but I am willing to listen to the options


that are brought forward, and we will be engaging fully with all the


devolved add ministrations. Germany has the highest level of support of


any continental European country for Scotland remaining in the European


Union, so would the Prime Minister thank Chancellor Merkel for the


interest of the members of her government and members of the


Bundestag, their interest in having Scotland remaining within the EU,


and will she assure the Chancellor and other heads of state and


government that we in Scotland will do everything, everything that is


necessary for us to remain in the EU? I have to say to the right


honourable gentleman, because this is a line that he has been taking


for some time. I do find it a little confusing, given that only two years


ago in the Scottish referendum the SNP was campaigning for Scotland to


leave the United Kingdom, which would have meant leaving the


European Union. Daniel Kawczynski. Thank you, Mr Speaker. We all stand


with the people of France, and particularly Nice, following the


appalling terrorist act there last week. We'll be primers to update the


House on how the security collaboration between our countries


can help prevent such attacks in the future, and reassure the French


people that although we are leaving the European Union, the close links


between our two countries will remain steadfast? My honourable


friend raises a very important topic, and as has been said in his


House before, our thoughts are with all the people of France and the


appalling attack that took place in Nice last week. We continue to work


with the French authorities, both obviously in the aftermath of that


attack, but my honourable friend is right that we need to continue our


security co-operation with France and indeed other European countries.


We will not be cowed by terrorists, we both faced the same threats, and


we need to work together in order to defeat those threats. And I can


absolutely confirm that, yes, the United Kingdom will leave the


European Union, but the United Kingdom is not leaving Europe, and


our co-operation will continue. Jamie Read. Can I welcome the Prime


Minister to her place and wish you well in healing the country in the


months and years to come? After all, it is she and her colleagues have so


bitterly divided it. And can I thank too... Can I thank her too, Mr


Speaker, for her wholehearted support and endorsement for official


Labour Party policy on Trident? It is such a refreshing change to hear


that from the despatch box! LAUGHTER


As a type one diabetic and as a father and uncle to children with


type 1 diabetes, and we have 500,000 people, 30,000 of them children in


this country, can I thank the Prime Minister for the example she has


shown to those people in demonstrating that this not hold us


in anyway whatsoever? There is no doubt whatsoever, Mr Speaker, that


the Prime Minister's predecessor found the NHS, left it in a much


worse condition than he. Will the Prime Minister visits... Will the


Prime Minister visit my constituency, to honour the promises


made by the previous Prime Minister, and to stop the government cutting


services there? Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can I say, the honourable


gentleman makes a reference to divisions on the Conservative Party


benches, no, which is the party that took three weeks to decide which


should be that unity candidate? It was the Labour Party! Can I thank


him for his remarks and type 1 diabetes as well. There are many


youngsters from tiny tots to teenagers leaving with type 1


diabetes, and it is important that we give the message to them that


their future is not limited, they can do whatever they want. And he


invites me, he is the first person in Prime Minister's Questions to


invite me to visit his constituency, and I will look very closely at all


invitations that I received in Prime Minister's Questions. I think it is


important that decisions about local NHS services are taken at a local


level, but I would remind him, as he made the point about the agreement


between Conservative Party and Labour Party official policy on


Trident, that where we did disagree at the election was it was the


Conservative Party that agreed that we would put the money that was


necessary into the NHS, the Labour Party refused to commit that. Thank


you, Mr Speaker. Extremism takes many forms, from the atrocity in


Nice to the violent murder by her own brother in Pakistan, justified


as an honour killing. -- Qandeel Baloch. There were many examples of


this in the UK over the last five years. Does the Prime Minister agree


that such crimes are acts of terror, not honour, and which he directed


that a new governor shows a lead for ending the use of the word honour to


describe this vile act in order to stop any legitimacy to the idea that


women are the property of men? -- and would she direct that her new


government. This is an issue that resonate across this whole House,


and she is absolutely right that extremism takes many forms, and in


the counter-ruck stream is policy we are looking very widely across the


breadth of extremism. -- counter extremism policy. We are looking at


tackling the root causes of so-called honour based violence, and


I absolutely agree that there is absolutely no honour in so-called


honour based violence, it is a criminal act, pure and simple. Thank


you, vista is bigger. I too would like to welcome the Prime Minister


to her first Prime Minister's Question Time. -- Mr Speaker. I


would like to ask you to listen to the head teachers of primary schools


in my constituency. They tell me the weeds and unprecedented changes in


primary education, including new sites, have lead to negative impact


on the learning outcomes of children. -- the recent


unprecedented changes. Will she urged the new Secretary of State to


take these concerns forward? I thank the honourable lady for her welcome


to me, and I think education right is absolutely crucial if we are


going to ensure that people can take up the opportunities they deserve


also have the aspiration to take up those opportunities. The new


Education Secretary will be looking across the at the education


provision that is in place, we have made important changes already over


the last six years that are improving the quality of education.


More children are getting the quality of education they need, but


there is more for us to do, and we will be looking at that. In my


constituency, Aerospace is vital importance, Rolls-Royce and boring


over 1000 people at their site, but it is just important there what do


the whole UK economy. Will the Prime Minister congratulate all the


companies that attended the Farnborough airshow, on the deals


they signed, and will she agree that with nearly ?100 billion of trade


deals done this year, Britain is very much open for business? My


honourable friend is absolutely right that Britain is open for


business, and I know what an important role the aerospace


industry plays in his constituency, but also in other constituencies


across the country, and the importance of the Farnborough


airshow, and the member for Aldershot was telling me what a


great airshow it was. The Government committed there to generate a fund


for research to ensure we retain our leading position in this sector, and


as he said, there are a significant number of trade deals signed, and I


would encourage other companies to go out and get that business. I wish


to welcome the right honourable lady to her place. Newcastle Airport was


voted best in Britain this week, but the good news that we are waiting


for is a decision on Heathrow expansion. The Prime Minister knows


that Britain needs to be open for business, so will she do better than


dithering gave and give us a decision without delay? -- dithering


Dave. I have some fond memories of Newcastle Airport from the time when


I stood in the North West Durham constituency some years ago and made


quite good use of Newcastle Airport, it has changed and expanded rather


ever since. On Heathrow, the position has not changed. Obviously,


the review work has been done, further work has been done in


relation to the question of air quality around the various proposals


that were put forward, and the Cabinet and the Government will be


taking a decision in due course. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Based on


analysis of a crime survey for England and Wales by the Children's


Society, an estimated 113 16 and 17-year-old girls in my constituency


have experienced a sexual offence in the last year. Given the progress


made in tackling child sexual exploitation in the last few years,


could my right honourable friend outline if government has plans to


strengthen the protection for this particular vulnerable age group? My


honourable friend raises a very important issue, we saw, obviously,


in recent times the appalling circumstances in Rotherham in


relation to child sexual exploitation, but as my honourable


friend Guy Shone, in every constituency in the country there


are young people being submitted to sexual offences. -- has shown. The


Government has been working with all appropriate agencies to ensure we


put greater support in place to provide an extra 7 million in


funding to ensure victims of sexual abuse receive the right support,


launched the whistle-blowing helpline to help authorities spot


patterns of behaviour, and patterns of failure, and made child sexual


abuse and expedition a national thread so police forces have a duty


to collaborate to tackle this terrible crime. We will be


strengthening our ravens in the coming months, we are all appalled


by child sexual abuse, and we need to make sure we eradicate it. In her


first statement on the steps of Downing Street, the Prime Minister


stated that she would lead a government that would work for


everyone of us. Since she became Prime Minister, I have tried


unsuccessfully to get assurances on the continuation of the Northern


schools strategy, along with the 80 million that was set aside for the


Northern schools. Will she therefore give me that commitment today so


that children in Bradford and the North can have the same chances as


those in London and the South? Well, it is important that we ensure that


across the country children are getting the opportunities that they


deserve, and the quality of the education they receive is an


important part of that, and the review that has taken place, which


was launched in March, is making recommendations on the issue. What I


can assure the honourable gentleman is that my right honourable friend


the Education Secretary will be looking very carefully at the result


of that review and will make the position in which the Government is


going to take in response to those recommendations clear in due course.


Stuart Andrew. Mr Speaker, crowing up on a council estate, it was tough


coming out as a Conservative. -- growing up.


LAUGHTER Difficult as it was, I understood


then, as I do now, that only a Conservative government delivers


real social mobility. Does my right honourable friend


agree with me that if it is the job of this government to fight for such


opportunities for the people of Britain, because the party opposite


are too busy fighting each other? Well, my honourable friend puts it


very well, and if you look at the Conservative benchers, as he says,


we have Members of Parliament who were brought up in council houses,


Conservative Members of Parliament brought up by single-parent


families. The chairman of the Conservative Party is a former


miner. It is this party that is looking at opportunity for all, and


that certainly, I am very clear that the Government I lead will be driven


not by the interests of the privileged few but by the interests


of everyone in this country, not entrenching the advantages of a


privileged few in terms of opportunity, but extending


opportunity to all. Steward led Donaldson. Thank you, Mr Speaker.


Whatever your politics, one cannot help but be inspired by the image


last week of the female Prime Minister of UK meeting the female


First Minister of Scotland, a message to girls everywhere that


they can achieve anything they want. Does the Prime Minister agree that


to do this girls and women should be able to live free from gender race


violence and domestic abuse, and will she commit to supporting the


bill of my honourable friend for Banff and Buchan and ratify the


Istanbul convention? Can I say to the honourable gentleman that I


think it is an important symbol for girls and young women to see women


in positions as Prime Minister and First Minister, and I respect the


First Minister of Scotland, we had a very constructive first meeting. We


will disagree on some issues, but we will work practically and


pragmatically together. I think it is important to deal with the issues


of gender violence and domestic violence against women and girls.


That is why the add has a strategy that is being taken on by my right


honourable friend the Home Secretary now. -- why the Government has. We


have a good record for putting in place domestic violence protection


orders, but there is always more to do, and we will be doing that.


Can I welcome one right honourable friend to her place, if it is not


too untoward to say, I declare it as game, set and match to her this


afternoon. Can I tell my right... Can I tell my right honourable


friend that last week, when I met local NFU representatives in North


Dorset, they understood what we were doing in delivering Brexit, but they


were keen to ensure that the needs of agriculture and British farmers


are front and centre in those discussions and that their interests


are considered. Can I invite my honourable friend to make that


commitment today? I'm very happy to make that commitment, as we look at


the position I will be taking in negotiations to leaving for the UK


leaving the European Union, we will be consulting widely, agriculture is


a sector which is particularly affected by Brexit, and I can assure


my honourable friend that we will be consulting with and listening to the


views of farmers and others involved in the food industry and


agricultural sector. Can I congratulate the right honourable


lady on becoming Prime Minister. I gently remind her of the


conversation we had a few weeks ago, when I said she would come through


the middle and trounce the men standing for that position. So I was


right! LAUGHTER I also said I was going to put some


money on her, unfortunately I never got around to it, because the odds


were very good at the time. Can I ask the Prime Minister is very


serious question about the younger generation, millennials, so many of


them in this country believe they are citizens of Europe, they had the


ability to travel, to work, and to be true Europeans, will she soon


give them her vision of how that reality, as European citizens, can


be delivered even in the present circumstance? I think the honourable


gentleman, I do indeed remember the conversation where he said I would


trounce the men, as he said it, the Conservative Party came up with an


all woman short list, without being quiet to do so, if I may say...


LAUGHTER He raises an important point about


the younger generation, what I would say is this, as I said in response


to my noble friend, the member for Shrewsbury Town Acton, we are


leaving the European Union but not leaving Europe, we will be setting


out the negotiating position in terms of our relationship to the


European Union, over the coming weeks and months, I would also say


this to the young people that he talks about, actually, we should not


be limiting their opportunities and their horizons by just looking at


Europe. This country will be making a success of Brexit because we will


be out there in the world, as an outward looking, expansive country


with opportunities around the globe. Philip Davies. I warmly welcome the


Prime Minister to her post, unlike dithering Barry, opposite, I did


place a bet on her becoming the next leader. I apologise to the Minister


for clearly having my phone off when she was calling me to be a part of


the front bench of government(!) LAUGHTER


Reason why the people of Yorkshire voted overwhelmingly to leave, was


due to control in immigration, and the Prime Minister reassure the


people of Yorkshire that when we finally do leave the European Union,


she will insist upon keeping her original promise to get the


immigration figures down into this country into the tens of thousands.


I say to my honourable friend, I am very clear that the vote that was


taken in this country on the 23rd of June sent a very clear message about


immigration, that people want control of free movement from the


European Union, and that is precisely what we will be doing and


ensuring that we get that in the negotiations that we will be


undertaking. I also remain absolutely firm in my belief that we


need to bring net migration down to sustainable levels, the government


believes that is tens of thousands... It will take some time


to get there, but of course, now, we have the added aspect of those


controls that we can bring in relation to people moving from the


European Union. Finally, Mr Tim Fallon. Thanks. You all very kind. I


would like to warmly welcome the promise to her position, she has


come a long way since we were on the hustings together in North West


Durham, she will reflect that she is possessing greater support in this


chamber than either of us got in Consett working men 's club. -- --


Tim Farron. Today there are reports that the new Grexit law meat unit


will be hiring lawyers at the cost of ?5,000 per head per day, will the


Prime Minister be using the mythical ?350 million to pay the legal fees,


or is that still pencilled in for the NHS, as promised by cabinet


colleagues who campaign for leave? It is absolute right that we create


a new department to focus upon the work of negotiating the United


Kingdom leaving the European Union and that department will need to


have the expertise necessary to undertake those negotiations, I say


to the right honourable gentleman, I am very happy to remember the days


that he and I spent campaigning in that parliament in the general


election, little did the voters of North West Durham know that the two


candidates, unsuccessful candidates, in that election, would become


leaders of two of this country's political parties, although as I


would point out to the right honourable gentleman, my party is a


little bit bigger than his is... CHEERING




That marked the end of Theresa May's first prime ministers questions,


strong performance, fairly strong performance, we will hear what you


thought in a moment, recapping on some of the substance, she started


off saying that unemployment has come down, wages have gone up, and


welcomed the vote on Trident renewal, while thanking the 140


Labour MPs for backing the government on this, making it


uncomfortable for Jeremy Corbyn. He actually then sort of forensically


dissected Theresa May's speech which she made on the steps of Downing


Street, trying to get her to match the rhetoric on issues like social


justice with action. Also raised calls for the Orgreave enquiry,


which was into policing, handling the miners strike in 1984, we will


have a bit on that later on. Talk about homeownership, if you are


black you are more likely to be treated more harshly than if you are


white, something that she said in the criminal justice system, Jeremy


Corbyn wanted her to say exactly what she meant, also raised the


language used by Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary, then the


long-term economic plan, about helping people who are less


fortunate, said that welfare claims are up, jobless figures in terms of


claims are also up, and then social justice in general. She came back


and unusually answered quite a few of the questions and there was a few


jokes trust in their about the fact she is the second female Prime


Minister, roof of the pudding, that the Tory party does do something for


women, and also on scribblers leadership, pointing at Jeremy


Corbyn. Interestingly, in the whole section by Jeremy Corbyn, nothing


about Brexit or Europe, that game in the questions afterwards, the form


of Angus Robertson, from the SNP, saying that remain means remain.


And. She again said she was listening to the devolved


parliaments. She would not say anything more firmly. But at the


very end she talked about migration and net migration figures and she


very clearly restated her commitment to reducing net migration to tens of


thousands. Boris Johnson and Amber Rudd failed to do that, but she said


that she was very clear that the vote taken on the 23rd of June was


that people want the government is to take control of immigration and


she was going to do that, but she admitted that it will take some time


to get there. She made a little joke at the spends of Tim Farron, when


they stood for a seat that neither of them one, that they are both now


leaders of individual parties but that hers was a bit bigger(!) than


his. She can be a bit ruthless. Other words to describe her being


used by you out there, " commanding, confident, self assured..."


Self-assurance, that was the keyword. A big response,


interesting, the tone of PMQs changes with the change of


characters, a lot of people have been watching, thank you for your


response. Victories on form, Jeremy still raising questions from


history, minus strike and homeownership in the 1990s. As an


change and a very powerful change, says Tim. Bill Claridge,


barnstorming first B 's performance from PM. Patterson, with


the PM wipe the floor with Jeremy what a response on Twitter to that.


A few against. -- Phil Claridge. John Baker, picked up on something


that you picked mentioned, she looked nervous and try to be too


clever, I'm particularly pleased that Jeremy Corbyn threw back those


words at her that she said on the steps of Downing Street, I think


that he came out on top. -- PMQs. Thatcher Mark two, she is back. Seen


it all before. And one thing, the award unexpected pun, I don't think


they're meant to, how refreshing, answers to all questions in calm


atmosphere, from Kent Norman, long may it continue. Makes a change from


you doing that! -- Ken Norman. It was fluent, confident, it is easy to


make comparisons between Theresa May and Margaret Thatcher, but a couple


of notes echoed, of Margaret Thatcher, much more fluent than


Margaret Thatcher was, at the beginning of her premiership,


watching those days from the gallery, I was a six-year-old little


girl correspondent, she was very confident. You can see some of the


gags coming half a mile away, this is the House of Commons, not have I


got news for you, which you know very well! I think I prefer PMQs,


myself. Jeremy Corbyn did well under the circumstances, a strong and


sustained attack on one or two lines, especially considering the


benches behind him sat in that now familiar uncomfortable silence, as


if they were watching an embarrassing relative at a party, it


feels like that, somebody with every right to be there, they just wish he


would go away. Gave a reasonable performance on his own terms,


Theresa May more than held her end up. Interestingly on that dynamic,


Jeremy Corbyn, more experienced, has been there longer, even as Leader of


the Opposition, may feel more comfortable at the dispatch box,


what about the comparisons, that will inevitably be made, between


Theresa May and Margaret Thatcher? May have been more confident at the


beginning, but those comparisons will be made, and she was quite


aggressive. One or two stylistics marriages, the mine is bigger than


yours gagged at the end of the session, that may have come out of


the Margaret Thatcher playbook, one or two lines, the way that they were


delivered. -- mine is bigger than yours gag. It is easy to make the


comparison but the comparisons were there to be made, she started off


hitting the ground running, in this Question Time, she is flying any


minute now to see the German leader, then the French leader after that.


She has started, in her own way, Margaret Thatcher did as well, with


a very big in tray. The first question that Jeremy Corbyn put to


Theresa May, Orgreave Inquirer, she gave an indication that something


might be happening. Sounded like more than that, watch this space,


saying that the new Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, would have something to


sale it on, you do not often hear a promise to saying that unless


something of substance is going to happen, she was referring to the


Battle of Orgreave, literally a battle in many ways between the


South Yorkshire Police and striking miners at the Orgreave colliery in


1984, accusations of evidence being rigged up, of mine is being framed


and all the rest of it, and the call for the enquiry took on new momentum


after the Hillsborough enquiry. -- miners. We are now looking at what


Amber Rudd has got to say. What about the issue of Europe, there is


every sign that her premiership is going to be defined by the Brexit


vote, however much she wants to talk about social justice, that is how it


will be defined initially. Angus Robertson has made the claim, he is


going to continue on this, remain means remain for Scotland, what does


it mean in practice? The early stages of the game, it can really


only have one outcome, the Scottish national party, after in gauging


with the Westminster government and the Prime Minister, we have heard


promises to engage constructively with the government in Edinburgh,


there will go their separate ways, because of course they will, this


means Scotland being able to continue a relationship with the


European Union, for Westminster and the rest of the UK, they are a


component part and will go the way of the rest of us until the break


finally comes. That was her first visit, she fears


that is the big threat. One of the first thing she said outside Downing


Street, she talked about how precious the Union is, and the union


of all our citizens, the social justice agenda. That performance


showed me that we have picked the right person. There was a great deal


of detailed knowledge, if you take the question on housing, on starter


homes, she had all the detail, why the limits were as they were. Direct


answers two questions, a very sure that performance, and a clear


political contrast that you are trying to draw between the Labour


Party, fighting amongst themselves, and getting on with government.


There is trouble, obviously, down the road, because he congratulated


Herbert said that Brexit means Brexit and already wanted a


commitment that it would mean not joining the single market. --


congratulated her but said. We are trying to have a strong trading


relationship with the EU 27 countries, that is in all of our


interests, and cooperate on the problems we face in terms of the


migration crisis and terrorism. And what about free -- freedom of


movement? Well, what was very clear is that she was keen to stress that


although we are leaving the EU, there is still a positive global


vision of Britain, and our relationship, she is going to


Germany and lacrosse after that, our relationships with these countries


are varied important and will be in the future. -- Germany and France.


How is she going to achieve it? In terms of migration, the number of


people coming from outside the EU stands at 188,000, how long will it


take to get there? 20 years? I do not think she is thinking over that


time scale at all, there is an opportunity to make changes in terms


of European migration at the end of this period, and we can take further


measures in relation to non-EU migration. What measures will bring


down that figure to tens of thousands? You asking me to take


decisions... You believe this is a credible line that has not been


achieved by the Government when she was Home Secretary, and she has


restated that commitment, despite the fact that her Home Secretary and


Foreign Secretary do not believe it is achievable, and you tell me in


any way how you would bring the figure down. The Government will


have to look at a range of measures on migration, but one of the clear


messages from the referendum was a very widespread concern in our


country about levels of immigration, and the Government needs to respond


to that. One of the comments she made about the Labour Party is that


it will spend the next few months in a divisive leadership battle while


her body gets on with bringing the country back together. That is what


is going to happen, the Labour Party is going to be fighting itself while


the Government gets on. Well, the Labour Party is having an internal,


democratic election, and that could be quite healing for the Labour


Party. It is definitely a difference from the Tory benches, given they


have our daily the ship contest there, and certainly Theresa May's


style was quite refreshing and moved away from Flashman. -- they have had


a leadership contest there. I would question her judgment in appointing


Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary. You agree with what Jeremy Corbyn


said? I do, given Britain's role on the European stage being so


critical, and how we define our relationship with the rest of the


world, having someone who has said the things that he has said, which


was referred to in PMQs, that is a real concern. He did a really good


job promoting London. Funny you should mention all of this!


Boris Johnson and some of his remarks were brought up by Jeremy


Corbyn in the chamber. US Secretary of State John Kerry


was in town yesterday, and as he went to see Theresa May


in Downing Street, he got a traditional


British welcome. At the Foreign Office later,


the new Foreign Secretary tried to be more welcoming


to the visiting dignitary. Both were subjected to some tricky


questions about Boris's past, but Mr Kerry spoke of


the man he'd heard about. This man is a very smart


and capable man. I can live with that,


I can live with that! That's the Boris Johnson


that I've met, and we intend to make good


things happen. Phew!


Stop that, that's great... You've accused the current


US President, Barack Obama, of harbouring a part-Kenyan's


"an ancestral dislike for the British Empire,"


while claiming, that he didn't want a Churchill


bust in the White House. You have described a possible future


US President, Hillary Clinton, as someone with, "Dyed blonde hair


and pouty lips and a steely blue stare like a sadistic nurse


in a mental hospital." You've also likened her


to Lady Macbeth. Or do you want to take them


with you into your new job as some sort of indicator of the type


of diplomacy you will practise? I'm afraid that there is such


a rich thesaurus now of things that I have said


that have been one way or another, through what alchemy I do not know,


somehow misconstrued, that it would really take me


too long to engage in a full global itinerary


of apology to all concerned. And I think most people,


most people who read these things in their proper context,


can see exactly what was intended. Let's see, Cat Smith, Boris Johnson,


these comments were raised by your leader, he tends to bluff and say,


look, they were taken out of context, they were misconstrued, but


you think it is more serious than that. I think Boris thinks he is


very funny, but the reality is that it is a very serious time in terms


of our relationship on the world stage, so he cannot afford to make


jokes, and I hope that he really considers the language that he uses


when talking about other political leaders, other potential leaders,


and other countries. Do you... Who said he made a good job of being


mayor, hardly a ringing endorsement of him as Foreign Secretary, is it?


In some cases he has used language that I wouldn't, but before he


became mayor, lots of people raised concerns and said he would not be


serious enough to do the job, but his approval rating from Londoners


was very high. Will it hurt him? Everybody knows his form, he has to


live down his past, he has conducted himself as a columnist doing


politics, rather than a politician doing a newspaper column, and he has


to be less interesting in future, not get carried away by his own gift


of phrasemaking, which he writes like a runaway horse. He's the


Foreign Secretary, that has got to be change. What a memo, be less


interesting! Thank you very much.


Now, if you remember, at the beginning of the show


to satirise Theresa May's first Prime Minister's Questions.


Here he is, getting his equipment at there, look, crayons, pencils,


different colours, not traditional blue! Here he is hard at work for


us. You have to earn your deep when you come on the Daily Politics, even


on a Wednesday. We will see the fruits of his labour in just a


moment, you can see the beginnings of him sketching out Theresa May.


Boris?! Similar hair! Show us what you have got.


Well it is Theresa May... Thank God for that! Of course, it


refers to the IMF, at about the exit putting a spanner in the works. I


wondered whether, as I was listening outside, whether first of all I had


used the wrong metaphor and it should have been the elephant in the


room, because of the fact that Brexit is going to dominate her


premiership, but Corbyn did not mention it at all. It is absolutely


true, but what are your impressions of her in terms of satire? It is


impossible now, even more so today, with the pearls and a blue suit, the


comparison to the Iron Lady is so obvious. Are you going to have to


carve out a slightly different role? It is not just going to be the


leopard-skin shoes either, it has to be something more than that. But


there are great echoes of Thatcher in her presentation, facially as


well, and she has even got the Helmut Haller card now, which has


echoes of Thatcher. -- the helmet haircut. You have to keep Thatcher


out of her mind while you are drawing, she is something of an


enigma. I think we can show some of the other sketches that have been


done, but while they are going up, what are the qualities and


characteristics that you look for? These are some of the others that


have been done of Theresa May, the physical features, the nose and the


hair. Peter Brooks is a master at this, and he has gone for the nose,


well and truly gone for the nose! In a way, that is also similar to


Margaret Thatcher. And the handbag as well. These shoes are going to be


absolutely crucial, let's have a look at another one which was done


fairly recently, what to think of that one? Brilliant, but then David


Brown is always brilliant. It is quite dark. Of course it is dark, he


is a satirist! It works, it really works. Let's take a look at the last


one, the famous kitten heels, that is his signature, if a little bit


rude. Steve Bell combining two metaphors there, very clever, as he


always is. But that doesn't show her face, of course. Steve has yet to


put a defining caricature of her in. Is that why we have not got the


face? Do you think the portrayals of Prime Minister change over time?


Blair certainly did, but they do, don't they? In his case, badly with


Iraq. And that will develop, what type of person becomes a cartoonist?


Are you dark? There is a dark side to us all, why would you choose this


otherwise? It is quite an aggressive occupation, making fun of people all


the time. But to answer your question, a very mixed bunch, all


sorts of people, a strange bunch. Let's see how you develop! Just time


to put you out of your misery and give you the answer to guess the


year, it was 1988. Can you press the button? We will find out who has got


it. A very gentle pressing of the bus! The mug is yours, Richard.


That's all for today, thanks to all our guests.


after more than 11 years on the Daily Politics.


We wish him well and leave you with a reminder of some


of his more memorable moments on the programme.


Giles, over to you, and we will be counting those puns.


Well, what do the horse trainers here


make of the runners and riders in the election race?


Deals that can be done are the meat of politics


in this election that is far from a falcon conclusion.


And I'm told they're just jumping to tell me their burning issues.


I know they're sceptical, but this new male make-up


does make you look a bit more rock 'n' roll,


has got me in touch with my feminine side.


# What a man, what a man, what a man


# What a man, what a man, what a mighty good man... #


You're coming across as, frankly, ridiculous.


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