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Morning folks. Welcome to the Daily Politics.

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David Cameron intervened in Libya without a coherent strategy

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and on the basis of false intelligence, say MPs.

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He only left parliament yesterday, but will these claims further damage

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The EU faces an "existential crisis" in the wake of the Brexit vote,

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says the European Commission President, but the UK should start

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the process of leaving as "quickly as possible".

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So what progress has been made so far?

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We'll give you the Daily Politics Brexit Tracker.

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Theresa May squares up for her third bout

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with Jeremy Corbyn at PMQs - we'll bring you those exchanges live.

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And re-drawing the electoral map to make parliamentary seats

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roughly equal in size - but how well do MPs know

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All that in the next 90 minutes of the very finest public

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And with us for the duration - they were offered handsome fees

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to appear on the other side, but they're sticking with the BBC -

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the Mel and Sue of political broadcasting.

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The new Work and Pensions Secretary Damian Green

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and the former Labour Cabinet Minister Caroline Flint.

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Thank you for being so loyal. I believe in public service

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broadcasting. How long will that last? Until the fees are bigger.

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David Cameron launched airstrikes on Libya on the basis

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of inaccurate intelligence and without a coherent strategy.

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That's according to the Foreign Affairs Select Committee

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report, which also claims that the intervention resulted

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in political and economic collapse, inter-militia and inter-tribal

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warfare and the growth of so-called Islamic State.

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It all felt very different back in 2011, when David Cameron flew

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to Benghazi to stand alongside then French President Nicholas Sarkozy

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and the rebel forces they had been supporting.

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Colonel Gaddafi said he would hunt you down like rats,

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but you showed the courage of lions, and we salute your courage.

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No, just as your courage has written the last chapter of Libyan history,

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so it must right the next one, and your friends in Britain

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and in France will stand with you, as you build your democracy,

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and build your country for the future.

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We're joined now by the Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Select

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criticism of David Cameron is easy in hindsight. At the time the

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decision was taken on the basis of information available. Was it not

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the right thing to do, to protect the civilians? We are clear about

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how the decision was taken and that we genuinely believed civilians were

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under threat. Our criticism is there had not been proper analysis done

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before the decision makers of what the threat was to the people of an

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Gazzi, what had been the modus operandi of Gaddafi in the previous

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four decades? What had happened in the preceding weeks elsewhere in

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Libya? We relied on one small part of rhetoric in a 70 minute speech,

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which is pretty bloodcurdling, but then failed to analyse the entire

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speech and the offer being made to the people of Ben Gazzi. Nor did we

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actually understand what we were defending there. With the rise of

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the Islamist elements, Islamist extremist elements of the rebellion

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against Gaddafi. Was all of this David Cameron's fault? You say the

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former Prime Minister was ultimately responsible for the failure to

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develop a coherent Libyan strategy. This report looks at the initial

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intervention. It looks at how the mission changed from one of

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protecting civilians into one of regime change. And then looks at the

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intervening period after the fall of Gaddafi on till now. It also makes

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recommendations for the future, given where we are at now in Libya.

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Of politicians at Colonel Gaddafi in his regime, was it right or wrong to

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get rid of him. That is a perfectly proper position to take, you managed

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to establish you have the moral authority to take regime like that

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on, you have to make sure you have the legal authority basis which will

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be more disputed but critically, you have then got to make sure you can

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practically deliver your objectives, the first objective is a military

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intervention to knock over the regime. We did that. But then what

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follows, and if what follows is a collapse of the governance of Libya,

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and the thing falls apart into its tribes and into the militias that

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come from that, a massive growth in militias and a failure to control

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the arms that were left behind by the regime, then you fail properly

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to deal with the follow through. You say it was wrong because of the

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consequences. That is what he seemed to be saying. There was a failure of

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intelligence to look at the tribal problems that existed and the

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potential for Isil to become part of the rebel forces. But intelligence

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again is not the Prime Minister rock's. -- PM's. He takes it on good

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faith? All of this is made clear in our report. What we have said about

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the Prime Minister row is that ultimately be responsible at each

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rests with him. The International can hit it, France in particular,

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there is at least as much responsibility for the actions of

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the international community in this area as does the United Kingdom.

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Except, of course, the United Kingdom days have -- did have the

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product of its engagement with the Gaddafi regime over the previous

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years. Tony Blair's signal diplomatic achievement was the

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disarming of Gaddafi and his missiles and his weapons of mass

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destruction. And getting control, agreement from Gaddafi, to control

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his literal so we did not have the problem of passage into the European

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Union. Damian Green, when we think back to

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Iraq, is the lesson, never use military force in the Middle East?

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No, for two reasons. It is not like Iraq. Failure of intelligence, not

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having a coherent plan... There was a UN resolution. Iraq was illegal.

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There was a 17 country coalition. The Arab league supported

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intervention. Still it was a failure. The best intelligence we

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had was that Colonel Gaddafi was going to murdered tens of thousands

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of people. The report says that was overstated. Thankfully, we will

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never know. But if you are taking that decision in 2011, and somebody

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tells you that unless you do something, tens of thousands of

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people will die at the hands of a bloodthirsty dictator, the sensible

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decision is to intervene. Even so, despite having a legal basis and the

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agreement of a number of international nations, it was still

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a disaster, according to the Foreign Affairs Select Committee at every

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single level, and particularly the failure of intelligence, the fact

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they underestimated the growth of extremism that then spread across

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net -- North Africa, and to some extent led to the current migrant

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crisis we have today. What was its success apart from, and we will

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never know, defending the civilians of Ben Gazzi? Libya has been

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terrible since then. You cannot set it in isolation. Look at Syria.

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Syria, the West took the opposite decision. The West didn't intervene.

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We only have to look at Syria to see that nonintervention can cause even

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worse effects. Whether you go in or you don't, it is a disaster. What

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happens to foreign policy in the Middle East if intervention does not

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work, nor does nonintervention? You have to take a judgment in each case

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as to what is the best thing to do and the legal case -- thing to do.

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It maybe there is no good result. If evil people arrived there with the

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forced to do evil things, the best you can do is mitigate them. You

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cannot solve it all together. What has it done to David Cameron's

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reputation? The is devastating. People will be able to take a

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judgment. Libya is pretty terrible. Syria is even worse. I think you do

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come to a sensible conclusion that to say in principle you should never

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intervene or that this intervention was bad, it's probably wrong. The

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answer to your question is, I don't think it will have that big an

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effect. Do you think it is fair on David Cameron? I think it is harsh.

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Focusing on David Cameron is particularly unfair. This was an

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international coalition. And morally at the time it felt absolutely the

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right thing to do, to protect the civilians. You defend David

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Cameron's decision to intervene in Libya despite mistakes made

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afterwards. Caroline Flint, was there a case for regime change?

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There are consequences of doing something and consequences of not

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doing anything. And possibly, in terms of Libya and Syria, because of

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Iraq, and wherever people are on that issue, we have almost become

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worried about talking about... We going to try to save initially the

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massacre of 700,000 people, from what I understand. Clearly the

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question has to be asked, what if that leads to Gaddafi running off?

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Or a change in regime? It is a must as if we cannot have a debate any

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more because of what has happened in Iraq. All of this is tempered by

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what happened in Iraq. It is must stopping, I think, some legitimate

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questions because we are all most afraid of asking those questions. We

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have had some successes in Sierra Leone, in Bosnia. Pre-Iraq. We

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always hear about the ones that haven't worked. Nonintervention has

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an impact as well. Lord Richards felt we should have gone in more

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comprehensively. There were no ground troops. The other thing is

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there was a parliamentary vote by 500 plus to go in. It is not as if

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Parliament did not discuss it as well.

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It is such a confusing topic that even civil servants

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are running around Whitehall, scratching their heads.

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We all know that Britain voted to leave the European Union, but how?

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This morning, Jean Claude Junker, the EU Commission President,

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shed a little more light on the process, warning the UK that

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access to the internal market relies on the free movement of people,

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and that we won't be able to get "a la carte access".

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He also said the EU faced an "existential crisis"

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following the Brexit vote, with countries quicker to say

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what they don't want from Brussels rather than work together.

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Here on the Daily Politics we take our public service remit seriously.

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So I am pleased to introduce now - drum roll, please -

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our first Daily Politics Brexit Tracker.

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One of the key questions is when leaving the EU

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The short answer is we don't yet know, though Theresa May has now

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said the process will neither be triggered this year nor be "kicked

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But there is more debate about how Article 50,

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which starts negotiations, will be triggered.

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The Prime Minister says there was "no legal obligation"

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for a vote in parliament, though this week a committee

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of peers described that as "constitutionally inappropriate".

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We do at least know who will be negotiating with.

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For the European Commission, it's Michel Barnier, a former

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And for the European Parliament, it's Guy Verhofstadt,

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the federalist former Prime Minster of Belgium.

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David Davis is our chief negotiator as Secretary

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This week, he briefed peers and MPs on his

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plans, but said that he would keep most of

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He said his department now has about 200 staff and was full

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but did not have "much grey hair yet".

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We are also now a little clearer on the government's

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The Leave Campaign's call for a points-based

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Instead, Home Secretary Amber Rudd says she will consider introducing

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So I am pleased to introduce now - drum roll, please -

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our first Daily Politics Brexit Tracker.

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One of the key questions is when leaving the EU

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The short answer is we don't yet know, though Theresa May has now

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If you were to think of this building as a temple, well,

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Mr Verhofstadt is the high priest, a fanatic.

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In fact, there is only one real nationalist

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Because you want flags, anthems, armies, you are an EU nationalist,

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and I frankly think that this appointment amounts to pretty much

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a declaration of war, on any sensible negotiating process.

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You can see Mr Research was enjoying that. That. The big questions are

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unanswered so there is no point in going there. Let us look at some of

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the issues that affect your department, Department for Work and

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Pensions. Will it be your policy to insist

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that EU migrants cannot claim welfare benefits until they have

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been here for at least four years? As you know some of the welfare

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rules were tightened beforehand, but what we will get at the end of the

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negotiations, in terms both of benefits of EU citizens in this

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country or indeed British citizens living in EU countries is precisely

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the sort of thing that will go into... We don't know yet. We don't

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know yet. But it was a Conservative manifesto pledge that EU migrants

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would have to live here for at least a minimum of four years, so that

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pledge is now off the table? That was clearly a pledge in an era when

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we were in the EU. Now you can do it. What he welcome back will be

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doing over the NEC two years is negotiating what is the best deal

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for Britain. Will you ask for more or less? Forgive me if I don't set

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out our negotiating position live on television. You put it live on the

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manifesto when you wanted our votes, what about requiring EU job-seekers

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to leave this country, if they can't find a job within six months? Will

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that be DWP policy? Well, a DWP doesn't have a policy, the

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Government has a policies, and again. It is your department. We can

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go through the details if you like, but all will be part of the

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negotiations, as David Davis made clear nobody going into negotiation

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saying these are what our red lines are. That was also in your

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manifesto. Are you saying that the manifesto promise to end the ability

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of EU job-seekers to claim any job seeking benefits at all, and added

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if they haven't found a job within six months they will be required to

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leave, a pledge on which you got elected, that is not extant either?

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Since that manifesto was written, we have had the big event of the

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referendum, so we are now in a different world where we will be

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leaving the European Union, over the next few years. That I understand.

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But you couldn't do this by staying in the EU, that is why you had

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negotiations about some of these things and you certainly didn't get

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your own way, how we are heading out of the EU I am trying to get an idea

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of what is the policy going to be now you are free to do what you

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want? The policy will end up with what is in the negotiations, we will

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obviously be asking for lots of things in negotiations, and the

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other side, as Jung, you have pointed out -- Jean-Claude Juncker,

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you have pointed out set out an opening position, that is what will

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happen in public, in private over the next two, two-and-a-half years,

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there will be those negotiations. What... I can't tell you in a TV

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studio. What about child tax, child benefit, one of the big complaints

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was you, if you were an EU migrant, but your children weren't here, you

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could still claim it and send it back. Are you going to change that?

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Well, as I say, all of these things we have set out in the past, that we

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think would be good ideas, they are all possibilities in the

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negotiations. What I can't do, because it would not be sensible for

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the interests of this country would be for ministers to say this is our

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negotiating stance and this is what we will do next. You were tasked by

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the Prime Minister with coming up for a plan for Brexit, can you give

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us, no, I mean it was June 23rd we took the vote, can you give us no

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idea of what the Government's position will be on any of these

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fundamental issues? I wouldn't say it in public because we will be

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negotiating them, negotiating with our former European partners, still

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our existing partners, countries we want to stay friendly with, we want

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too have a friendly negotiation so megaphone diplomacy s TV diplomacy

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would not be sensible. I am not asking for that, I am asking on

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behalf of the viewers whether you stand by what you promised if your

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manifesto to get elected. It would seem the answer is either you can't

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tell me or no you don't. The answer is that I am not going to go into

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the detail of what we will be negotiating on because it is a

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negotiation and your viewers as well as everyone else sensible will know

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that you don't go into a negotiation saying in public beforehand, what

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the details are. Hold on, David Cameron did to negotiate the deal he

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recommended to the British people to stay in, he told us exactly what he

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was looking for and allowed us to judge. Why was it different then and

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from now? The position now is that we know we are having to negotiate

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every aspect of our relationship. I am asking you about your ministerial

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responsibility. The same will be true for every individual

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department. That it is just not sensible to do it. And it is not for

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the purpose of protecting politician, it is for the purpose of

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having a successful negotiation. Compton Labour Party Caroline Flint.

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If you don't know, just say. Jeremy Corbyn has said he wants Article 50,

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which begins the negotiation process, to be triggered right away.

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Is that still Labour policy? I think it is sort of a move. He said that

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straight after the European referendum. I think there has been

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more influence to bear on that to say that moving straightaway is not

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a good idea. You can't just hang on forever, so I think we will see it

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probably February time or so. Early in the New Year. That is an

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understanding. Is that Labour's policy I don't know. But I know I

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haven't heard Jeremy Corbyn say that is where we should go. He also said

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that Britain should... We have got a leadership contest at the moment. I

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understand makes it difficult. He said Britain should reject key

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aspects of the single market when we leave the EU. Do you agree with

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that? I think it depends what you are talking an. Do you know what he

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is talking about? He has done another speech in which he accepted

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the single market is important for British business, but what he has

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said, interestingly, on the points you were raising today, around let

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us talk about it, it is immigration, that was a top issue for many

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people, is that we do have to look at whether or not the free. Do of

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movement of worker, particularly in the low skill, low pay sector could

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carry on as it was before. But he wanted, according to a briefing, he

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wanted to ditch some of the rules which other members see as integral

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part of the single market, is that realistic? Again, part of this is

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about what we are talking about. If you want to have free tariffs,y is

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what we have you have to accept certain rule, that is rules about

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how you deal with private sector businesses as well. That is part of

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it. Again I would have to say in honesty I think in the Labour Party,

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we are still working our way through exactly what this should mean, and

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that is why looking at your previous film clip, it is important that

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Parliament is involved in these discussions. Doncaster you

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represent. Overwhelming voted to leave the EU, 69-31%. Despite your

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views to stay in. How do you think Doncaster feels about Mr Owen Smith

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saying he wants to pledge to take Britain back in to the European

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Union? I believe we should respect the vote. I think it is legitimate

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to say that once we get to the point where we have an idea about what the

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shape of Brexit is going to look like, it may be we will have a

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general election, in which people will be able to vote on that and

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decide whether they support that model. It may be that a referendum

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just to confirm that as the model would be the right way forward. I

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personally don't believe we can rerun the referendum to say actually

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we are going to turn over what has been decided in June and go back in.

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You are an Owen Smith supporter, do you think the next Labour manifesto

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should contain a pledge to rejoin the European Union? No. Because do

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you agree that such a pledge, if we were to leave, and then attempt to

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rejoin, that it would entail joining the euro, joining Schengen, losing

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the rebate, we would never get the rebate back. It would be all these

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things, agreed? Yes I agree. You cannot, I mean this is the problem

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for Scotland as well when it has talked about if they go for

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independence and come out, those are the same issues that face anybody

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who wants to rejoin as a new member, at the moment to be fair Andrew, the

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most important priority in the table is this, a decision was made, the

:24:53.:24:55.

majority went in favour of leave. We have to make the best of this for

:24:56.:24:59.

the people of the country. I have to say I think we can't avoid Damian,

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that the immigration was one of the top issues I understand that. We

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have to say that out friend. As you say, we have a leadership election,

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you have been back Owen Smith, so, you can't be comfortable that Owen

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Smith has made a pledge which implicit in it is joining the euro,

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joining free movement Schengen, going back in without a rebate, that

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350 million a week on the Brexit bus would be a more realistic figure for

:25:31.:25:33.

once if we did that, when you look at how Labour voters in the north of

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England voted by substantial majority to leave, what is the

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thinking, why has he said this? I am supporting Owen for a whole number

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of reasons, but I days degree with Owen in terms of the idea that we

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should have another referendum to redo the decision we made in June of

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this year. I also think there are consequences, if you know, by, we

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come out before the next general election, understandably, and we

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have seen it in terms of what Juncker said this morning, there

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won't be any easy deal for the UK in terms of the negotiation, and if we

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are out we will have to come in on the rules of that club, so I think

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there are issues here, in which there are different views within the

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Labour Party about how we should proceed. I think we have to deal

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with what he have got, make the best of it and deal with the concerns of

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the British people... Do most of his supporters feel like you? MPs? There

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clearly are some MPs and they have been public about this who feel we

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should have a rerun, there is maybe some Conservatives who might be

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saying that as well. The truth is, we have come out of what the biggest

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vote we have made for decades, and we are sitting here talking about

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what does being out look like? And I I know, can I say one more thing, I

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did a survey of my constituents post the referendum saying what did they

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think their priorities should be, one was jobs, two was getting ?350

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million a week back into the NHS, that is obviously not going to be

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successful and three was dealing with concerns about immigration, on

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immigration I asked further questions and it was the impact on

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the low pay, low skill sector. That may explain why a lot of the

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That may explain why a lot of the north voted the way it did.

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Now, the BBC has lost the Great British Bake Off

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And I'm afraid there's more bad news for BBC viewers this morning.

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Jo and I have refused to take Channel Four's shilling.

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It's coming up to midday here - just take a look at Big Ben.

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yes, Prime Minister's Questions is on its way.

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And that's not all - Laura Kuenssberg is here.

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Welcome, do we know what the subject matter or do we have an idea what

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the subject matter will be? We don't today. Maybe housing. That wouldn't

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that surprising. That might make a return today, you never know, just

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briefly, I come with news that we, I have heard from some sources we

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expect the by-election in Batley and Spen replacing Jo Cox, the date is

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likely to be October 20th and I pecks that Labour will move the writ

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for that tomorrow. The Tories will probably also follow that, and the

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Witney by-election is likely to be on the same day. That is in

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expectation, so here we are, we will only a few short weeks into the

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session, One I think in a safe Labour seat. And obviously a safe

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Conservative seat. Neither would be likely to have unexpected results.

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By-elections can give an edge to politics down here, people go off to

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campaign, there are different things on people's minds so it will be a

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interesting quirk of the autumn as we get going. One thing in the last

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week we have seen time and time Genk even with a new picture of the new

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cabinet released by Number Ten, just how different things have been

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already under Theresa May. Almost as if I knew we had that. It is just

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fascinating how many things have changed already, you know,

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immediately we new knew the surplus rule had gone, grammar is on the way

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back, and one member of the previous cabinet said soon there will be

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nothing left, as if everything has been torn up. It is not the case

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that everything has gone, everything has been junked but it is

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fascinating that when we started talking about Theresa May as a

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candidate her USP was said to be safe pair of hands, continuity that,

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has proved not to be the case. And three big decisions coming up. On a

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third runway, Hinkley Point the nuclear power station and will she

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continue with HS2, of which there is growing criticism of the cost and

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the time it will take. From a committee of MPs repeating some of

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those concerns. Caroline expressed concerns about the certainty of this

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project. Is it something that will balloon out of control, is it value

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for money. On Hinkley, we have sort of been playing the hokey-cokey, it

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has been on and off and then on, off, there was a strong expectation

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there might be a Parliamentary state today. That is not happening,

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everybody is looking to tomorrow. Greg Clarke has still not made his

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final, final, final decision, there are four different inner Jos they

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are looking at, the expectation from union sources and from business, and

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from most people in Westminster is that it will happen, but I think

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that it is most likely at this stage to be a yes with conditions, and

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frankly, until which hear it come out of Greg Clarke's mouth I

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wouldn't put much money on it. No. They are split between business and

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political commentators, feel some of the political commentary didn't

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think it would go or the price would be high, the business side did.

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Indeed. I think that is the same, the different members of Government

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have different view, and of course we know also that Theresa May's very

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powerful, very smart, one of her chiefs of staff had articulated

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public opposition to it before he was back in that job, from the

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security angle of whether it was the right thing to involve China in the

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nuclear industry in this country, so there are all sorts of factors in

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that. In terms of consumers probably value for Monday.

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Let me start by paying tribute to my right honourable friend, the former

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member of Parliament for Whitney, David Cameron. He has been a

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tremendous public servant both for his constituency, but also for the

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country as a whole. Under his leadership we saw the economy being

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stabilised, more people in work than ever before, people on low incomes

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being taken out of paying tax altogether. This government will

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build on that legacy. By extending opportunity to all parts of the

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country. VISTA Speaker, this morning I had meetings with ministerial

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colleagues and others,, and I shall have further meetings today.

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Last week, the Prime Minister could not tell us whether she was in

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favour of staying in the single market. As an Edinburgh MP, can I

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tell her how important the financial sector is to the Scottish economy? I

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wonder if she can tell us whether she agrees with her Foreign

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Secretary that passport in for a financial services is guaranteed to

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continue after the UK leads the European Union? I am not going to

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give the honourable lady any different answer from the answer I

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gave the House on many occasions last week. Which is that this

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government will be working to ensure the right deal for the United

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Kingdom in trade, in goods and services. And that includes

:35:23.:35:26.

listening to the concerns of the Scottish government may wish to

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raise, the governments of Northern Ireland and Wales as well. We will

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be fully involved with the devolved organisations -- administrations.

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The best thing for the financial sector in Edinburgh and the economy

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in Scotland is to be part of the United Kingdom. Marcus Fish. Will my

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right honourable friend join me in welcoming figures that show that

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unemployment in my constituency has halved since 2010? And crucially

:35:59.:36:04.

that youth unemployment has fallen by 12% in the last year. Will she

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promote the value of technical skills and science and engineering,

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in her poise for all children to have a good education that enables

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them to go as far as their talent and hard work will take them? I am

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very happy to join my honourable friend in welcoming the good

:36:25.:36:26.

employment figures we have seen today. Unemployment has halved in

:36:27.:36:32.

his constituency since 2010. That is because we have had an economic plan

:36:33.:36:37.

and build a strong economy. He is absolutely right. As we look to

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provide opportunities for young people, we need to ensure we

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consider those for whom skills and a vocational education is the right

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route. We want an education that is right for every child, so they can

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actually get as far as their talents will take them.

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Jeremy Corbyn. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I am sure the whole House

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will join me in paying tribute to the police constable who was stabbed

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several times yesterday in the line of duty while trying to arrest a

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rape suspect in Huyton. Can we wish him well and a speedy recovery. I

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also wish the former Prime Minister well on his departure from this

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House and well in his future life. I hope the by-election will

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concentrate on the issues of education and his views on selection

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in education. I want to congratulate the Prime Minister. She has brought

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about unity of Ofsted and the teaching unions. She has united

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former education Secretary is on both sides of the House. She has

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truly brought about a new era of unity in educational thinking. I

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wonder if it is possible for her this morning, within the quiet

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confines of this House, to name any educational experts that back her

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proposals on new grammar schools and more selection? Mr Speaker, first of

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all, may I join the Right honourable gentleman in paying tribute to the

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police constable who was stabbed in Knowsley? One of the events that I

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used to look forward to going to every year as Home Secretary was the

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police bravery awards. At that event we saw police officers who'd never

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know when they start their shift what is going to happen to them.

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They run towards danger when other people would run away from it. We

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owe them a great tribute and our gratitude for that. Now I am glad

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the right honourable gentleman has raised the issue of education. It

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enables me to point out that over the last six years we have seen 1.4

:38:50.:38:53.

million more children in good or outstanding schools. That is because

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of the changes that this government introduced. It is because of the

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free schools, the academies, headteachers being put in charge,

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more choice for parents. Changes which I know the right honourable

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gentleman opposes. What I want to see is more good school places, I

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diversity in provision of education in this country, so that we really

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see opportunity for all and young people going as far as their talents

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will take them. Mr Speaker, I asked the Prime Minister if she could name

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any experts who could help in this policy. Sadly she wasn't able to.

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Can I quote one expert, his name is John and he is a teacher. He wrote

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to me and said the education system and teachers have made great strides

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forward to improve quality and delivery of the curriculum. And he

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says, why not fund all schools properly and let us do the job? The

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evidence of the effects of selection is this. In Kent, which has a

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grammar school system, 27% of the pupils on free school meals get five

:40:02.:40:06.

good GCSEss, compared with 45% in London. We role for spreading good

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practice, but wide does the Prime Minister wants to expand a system

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that can only let system down? -- children down?

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Can I say to the right honourable gentleman that he needs to stop

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casting his mind back to the 1950s. What we will be doing, what we will

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be doing is ensuring that we are able to provide good school places

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for the one and a quarter million children who are in schools that are

:40:51.:40:53.

failing, inadequate or need improvement. Those children and the

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parents of those children know, they are not getting the education that

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is right for them and the opportunities that they need. When

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we look at the impact of grammar schools, if you look at Thame and

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for a disadvantage and non-disadvantaged children, the

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attainment gap in grammar schools is virtually zero. It isn't in other

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schools. It is opportunity for young people to go where their talents

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will take them. I know that the right honourable gentleman believes

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in equality of outcome. I believe in equality of opportunity. He believes

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in levelling down. We believe in levelling up.

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CHEERING. Mr Speaker, equality of opportunity

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is not segregating children at the age of 11. So let me quote the

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Institute for Fiscal Studies, which says those in selected areas who do

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not pass the 11 plus, do worse than they would have done in a

:42:08.:42:13.

comprehensive system. The Secretary of State for Education suggested on

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Monday, that new grammar schools may be required to set up feeder primary

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schools in poorer areas. We'll be children in these feeder primaries

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get automatic places in the grammar school? Will they be subject to

:42:29.:42:33.

selection? What we are doing is setting up a

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more diverse education system that provides more opportunities. And

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what the right honourable gentleman appears to be defending is the

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situation we have at the moment, where there is selection in our

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school system but it is selection by house price. I think we want to

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ensure that children have the ability to go where their talents

:42:57.:43:03.

take them. Can I just gently remind the right honourable gentleman... He

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went to a grammar school. I went to a grammar school. It is what got us

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where we are today. But my side... My side might be rather happier

:43:20.:43:28.

about that than his. Mr Speaker, the two things the Prime

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Minister and I have in common is we can both remember the 1950s, and we

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can both remember going to a grammar school. My point is simply this,

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every child, every child should have the best possible education they can

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have. We don't need and never should divide children at the age of 11, a

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life changing division, where the majority end up losing out. I notice

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she did not answer my question about feeder primary schools. On Monday,

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the Secretary of State for Education said, we have not engaged much in

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the reform of grammars. But the government would now start the

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process. Can the Prime Minister confirm whether existing grammar

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schools, like those in Kent and Buckinghamshire, will now be

:44:19.:44:21.

instructed to widen their admission policy by the government? The right

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honourable gentleman is right that what we are looking and consulting

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on is it diversity provision in education. We want to make sure that

:44:32.:44:34.

all grammar schools actually do the job that we believe is important,

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which is providing opportunities for a wide range of pupils. There are

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many examples across the country of different ways that is done through

:44:44.:44:47.

selective education. But he talks about good education for every

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child. That is what our policy is about. There are 1.25, one and a

:44:51.:44:58.

quarter million children today, who are in schools that are not good or

:44:59.:45:03.

outstanding. There are parents today who fear that their children are not

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getting the good education to enable them to get on in life. I believe in

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the education that is right for every child. It is the Labour Party

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that has stifled opportunity, stifled ambition in this country...

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It is the Labour Party that is willing members of the Labour Party

:45:27.:45:30.

will take the advantages of a good education for themselves, and pull

:45:31.:45:32.

up the ladder behind them for other people.

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I am sorry that the Prime Minister was unable to help anyone in Kent of

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Buckinghamshire in the answer to my question and presumably she will

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have to return to it, but, it is not about putting up ladders it is about

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providing a ladder for every child. Let me quote her a critic of grammar

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schools. There is a kind of hopelessness about the demand to

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bring back grammars, an assumption that this country will only ever be

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able to offer a decent education the a select few, the quote goes on to

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say, I want the Conservative Party to rise above that attitude. Not my

:46:18.:46:22.

words, those of the former right honourable member for Whitney. Isn't

:46:23.:46:29.

he correct, that what we need investment in all of our school, a

:46:30.:46:33.

good school for every child, not this selection at the age of 11.

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What we need is a good school for every Chile and that is what we will

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be delivering with the policy that we have announced. And -- child, and

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with that policy, we will see, we will see universities expanding

:46:49.:46:51.

their support for school, we will see more faith schools being set up,

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we will see independent schools increasing their support for schools

:46:57.:46:59.

in the state sector, a diversity of provision of education is what we

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immediate to ensure good school places for every child. That good

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school place is important so young people can take opportunities, and

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get into the workplace and I notice I think this is the right honourable

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gentleman's fifty question. He hasn't yet welcomed the employment

:47:16.:47:21.

figures today. -- fifth. More people, more people in work than

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ever before, wages rising above inflation, that is more people with

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a pay packet, more money in those pay packets what would Labour offer?

:47:32.:47:35.

More taxation and misery for working family, it is only the Conservative

:47:36.:47:39.

Party that knows you can only build an economy that works for everyone

:47:40.:47:42.

when even has an opportunity for work.

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Mr Speaker, of course I welcome anyone that has managed to get a

:47:49.:47:53.

job, I welcome those people that have managed to get jobs and keep

:47:54.:47:56.

themselves and their families together. The problem is, that there

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are now almost a million of them on zero hours contract, who do not know

:48:03.:48:06.

what they are going to be paid from one week the the other. In order to

:48:07.:48:12.

help her with the expertise on the reform of secondary schools, could I

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quote to her the Chief Inspector of Schools who said the notion that the

:48:19.:48:24.

poor stand to benefit from the return of grammar schools strikes me

:48:25.:48:28.

as tosh and nonsense. Isn't all this proof that the

:48:29.:48:32.

Conservative Party's green paper addressing none of the actual crises

:48:33.:48:38.

facing our schools system. Real terms cut in schools budget, 500,000

:48:39.:48:44.

pupils in supersize classes, a crisis in teacher recruitment and

:48:45.:48:49.

retention. Rising number of unqualified teachers in classrooms,

:48:50.:48:52.

vital teaching assistants losing their jobs, isn't this the case of a

:48:53.:48:58.

government heading backwards, to a failed segregation for the few, and

:48:59.:49:02.

second classed schooling for the many. -- class. Can't we do better

:49:03.:49:09.

than this? Well, I have to say, I have to say to the right honourable

:49:10.:49:13.

gentleman, that he has got some of his facts wrong. Plain and simple.

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They, we have more teachers in our schools today, than in 2010. We have

:49:19.:49:22.

more teachers joining the profession than leaving it. We have fewer

:49:23.:49:28.

pupils in supersize classes, than there have been previously, but I

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simply say this to the right honourable gentleman, first of all,

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that he has opposed every measure that we have introduced to improve

:49:37.:49:40.

the quality of edge kietion in this country. -- education, he has

:49:41.:49:45.

opposed measures that increase parental choice, that increase the

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freedom for head teachers to run their school, he has opposed to

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opportunity for people o set up free school, they are leading to

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improvements in our education system and we will build on those with our

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new policies. But I recognise to the, for the right honourable

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gentleman, this may very well be the last time that he has an opportunity

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to face me, across this despatch box.

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Certainly... Certainly if his Members of Parliament have anything

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to do with it. I accept that he and I don't agree on everything, well,

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probably we don't agree on anything, but I must say to him that he has

:50:34.:50:37.

made his mark. Let us just think of some of the things that the right

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honourable gentleman has introduced. He wants coal mines without mining

:50:46.:50:49.

them, submarines without sailing them and he wants to be Labour

:50:50.:50:53.

leader without leading them. One thing we know, who ever is Labour

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leader, after their leadership election, it will the country that

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loses. Can I just point out to the House

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that progress today at this Question Time session has been absurdly slow,

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absurdly slow. And I ask, order, I ask the House, on behalf of our

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constituents to show some respect for those colleagues who want to

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question the Prime Minister. And I am determined to get down the list.

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Craig Williams. Thank you. Students from Cardiff

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schools and UK schools attended the recording of the British Holocaust

:51:41.:51:44.

survivors giving their testimony for future generation. It was a moving

:51:45.:51:50.

experience for them and a stark reminder to fight racism,

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anti-Semitism and hatred in all forms, as part of this vital

:51:54.:51:57.

education effort of which I know my right honourable friend is a

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supporter is the establishment of a national memorial to the Holocaust,

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could my right honourable friend update us on this I am grateful. He

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is right that we need to ensure that we never forget the horrors of the

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Holocaust and the lessons that must be learned from that. It is right

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that we have agreed this national memorial, next to Parliament on

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Victoria garden, that is an important place for it to be. The

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community's secretary will launch a competition for the design of that

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them mall and included among that will be the possibility of a

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learning centre, which will ensure that there will be those

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opportunities for young people and others truly to learn that the

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lessons from the Holocaust and to learn about the appallings a Troyes

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the -- atrocities that took place. Last week the Prime Minister was one

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willing or unable to give assurances about remaining in the European

:52:56.:52:58.

single market. Today she has been unwilling or unable to give

:52:59.:53:03.

assurances to the financial sector about protecting the passporting of

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financial services, meanwhile, millions from across the United

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Kingdom depend on freedom of movement across the EU for business

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and for pleasure, they face the prospect of having to apply and

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possibly pay for visas, is the Prime Minister in favour of protecting

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visa free travel? Yes or no? There was a very clear message from the

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British people at the time of the referendum vote on June 23rd, that

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they wanted, that they wanted to see an end to Freeman as it operated,

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they want to see control of the movement of people from the European

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Union, into the UK, and that is what we will deliver. Free movement. Mr

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Speaker, the Prime Minister and the UK Government are totally unwilling

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to tell us the true cost of Brexit and what their negotiating position

:53:58.:54:01.

will be, in contrast there is a different tune from the European

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Union union, there knew any away for Guy Verhofstadt said it is wrong

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that Scotland might be taken out of the EU when it voted to stay. Stay.

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Does she agree with Guy Verhofstadt and the Scottish Government, who

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want to protect Scotland's place in Europe? I have to say to the right

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honourable gentleman, it is all very well him asking that question but

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only two years ago, only two years ago, he didn't want to protect

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Scotland's place in the European Union because he wanted Scotland to

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leave the EU? -- UK? And on all of these questions, whether it is the

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question of the referendum, for leaving the European Union, the

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referendum on independence in Scotland, or questions in this

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House, the right honourable gentleman seems to think that if he

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asks the question all the time, he will get a different answer. I won't

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work for me and I won't work for the Scottish people. Thank you Mr

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Speaker. Freedom of speech is a fundamental British value. Which is

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undermined by so call safe spaces in our universities where a sense of

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entitlement by a minority of students that means their wish not

:55:19.:55:24.

to be offended shuts down debate. As students around the country return

:55:25.:55:28.

to their places of learning, at the start of this new academic year,

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does my right honourable friend agree that university is precisely

:55:33.:55:36.

the place for lively debate, and that fear of being offended must not

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trump freedom of speech. Well, I absolutely agree with my

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honourable friend, we want our universities not just places of

:55:50.:55:53.

learning but places where there can be open debate where people can be

:55:54.:55:56.

challenged and get involved in that. I think everybody is finding this

:55:57.:56:01.

concept of safe spaces extraordinary. We want to see that

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innovation of thought taking place, that is how we develop as a country,

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as a society, and as an economy, and I agree with my right honourable

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friend. Mr Speaker, nine-year-old Mohammed is one of thousands of

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child refugees alone in Syria, his parents fled the country believing

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he was dead and have Vetteled in my constituency of Midlothian, in March

:56:29.:56:33.

he was identified as being alive, he has been kidnapped, beaten and left

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for dead before being refound again. He lives in fear of daily attacks or

:56:38.:56:42.

sexual violence and assault. With the Prime Minister agree to meet

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with me to review the steps the Government could take to reunite

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Mohammed with his devastated family, and provide him with what is

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required to help overcome his ordeal. I am not aware of the

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details of the case. The Home Secretary has heard him, I am sure

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if he would like to write to the Home Secretary, there are rules that

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enable family reunion to take place and also we are as a country,

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taking, have committed to take a number of children who are

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particularly vulnerable, potentially vulnerable from sexual violence from

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the region round Syria, to ensure that we can Vettel them in the UK

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and take them out of that fear that they are seeing, but my right

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honourable friend the Home Secretary will look at it if he cares to

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write. What assurance can my right honourable friend give that whatever

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criteria comes to guide our immigration system, it will be

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fairer than the present system? It will no longer discriminate peoples

:57:44.:57:48.

from outside the EU, as the present system does. The, as I mentioned

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earlier in response to a question, it is the case that one aspect of

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the vote on the ifrd June was that people wanted us to control movement

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from the European Union into the UK, and of course, we are already able

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to control movement from outside the European Union into the United

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Kingdom, and we intend to, details of the system we will introduce for

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EU citizens are currently being worked on, but I can assure my right

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honourable friend we will have the ability to control movement from the

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EU, and movement from outside the EU, and therefore bring that greater

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degree of fairness that I think people were looking for.

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How can she try and justify reducing the House of Commons to 600, while

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the House of Lords now have 820 members and by 2020 even more. Is

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this her idea of democracy in the 21st century? I have to say, of

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course, the House of Commons voted for that reduction in the number of

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members of Parliament. I think people wanted to see that. But I

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would gently remind him when he refers to the House of Lords, and

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changes in the House of Lords, that it is this Government that has

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introduced the retirement procedure for the House of Lords that has soon

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a reduction in the member of the House of Lords. The NHS five year

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forward view, states that in future we will see more care delivered

:59:18.:59:21.

locally. Does the Prime Minister think that in line with that, the

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Cambridgeshire MP, ought to consider the importance of loaningle care

:59:28.:59:32.

when assessing the future of the Princess of Wales minor injuries

:59:33.:59:35.

unit in Ealing. My right honourable friend is right. The five year plan

:59:36.:59:41.

does include that proposal for local, more local input, and it is

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absolutely right that in looking at for example the future of minor

:59:46.:59:51.

injuries unit Lokes should consulted. I understand there is to

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be a meeting to consider this an I hope she will be able to make their

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views known as that meeting. Tomorrow, I will be helping to

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launch a programme at the engineering company ADI Group. To

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boost the interest of 14-16-year-olds in engineering

:00:13.:00:15.

skills. Now doubt the Prime Minister would like to join me in

:00:16.:00:20.

congratulating ADI Group but would she take it from me that her words

:00:21.:00:26.

of gloition would mean more if they were not accompanied of between cuts

:00:27.:00:33.

between 30 and 20% in apprenticeship fund, a programme the industry has

:00:34.:00:40.

described as a car crash. Well, I of course am happy to

:00:41.:00:44.

commend the company he has referred to, and of course, the West Midlands

:00:45.:00:49.

are important, driver in terms of engineering skills in this country,

:00:50.:00:53.

but I simply don't recognise the situation he set out in relation to

:00:54.:00:57.

apprenticeship, we have seen two million created over the last six

:00:58.:01:02.

year, we are commits as a government to seeing more being created, that

:01:03.:01:07.

giving young people opportunities, like the young people I met when I

:01:08.:01:11.

went to jaguar Land Rover, to learn a skill to get into a job, to get

:01:12.:01:14.

into the workplace and get on where their talents will take them.

:01:15.:01:21.

Does the Prime Minister agree that the life chances of many children

:01:22.:01:25.

particularly the poorest areas are limited through living in chaotic

:01:26.:01:30.

and unstable household, and would she kindly look at the all party

:01:31.:01:34.

Parliamentary children centre report produced which recommends family

:01:35.:01:37.

hubs in local communities and other solutions to this issue, with a view

:01:38.:01:43.

to considering it further? Thank you. Can I say, commend my right

:01:44.:01:48.

honourable friend on the work she is doing on the all party Parliamentary

:01:49.:01:52.

group. The question of that stable background, that family background

:01:53.:01:55.

that young people are brought up this is an important issue and she

:01:56.:02:00.

has been a champion for families and for family life. I, can I say to her

:02:01.:02:09.

I have set up a policy route with, led my right honourable friend the

:02:10.:02:12.

member for Mid Norfolk, I am surely ask him to look carefully at the

:02:13.:02:19.

report that has come out of the all party Parliamentary group. On Monday

:02:20.:02:24.

the Parliamentary advisory group on carbon capture published their

:02:25.:02:29.

report about the potential of CCS to create thousands of job, save the

:02:30.:02:34.

country billions and play a major role in meeting emission targets.

:02:35.:02:38.

CCS is critical to say side. Can the Prime Minister tell the house when

:02:39.:02:43.

the Government will publish its long-awaited new strategy? Thank

:02:44.:02:49.

you, thank you. I can I first of all say, that the issue of climate

:02:50.:02:53.

change of reducing emissions and our energy policy are very important to

:02:54.:02:55.

this Government, we have a fine record in this area and we will be

:02:56.:02:59.

continuing to, continuing to do that. But, on the issue of carbon

:03:00.:03:04.

captured and storage, this has been looked at carefully in the past. It

:03:05.:03:08.

is one of the key issues round is the cost, we will continue to invest

:03:09.:03:13.

in the development of CCS, we are developing over 120 million to

:03:14.:03:16.

develop the technology, through innovation support with the aim of

:03:17.:03:20.

reducing its costs, and so we will continue to look at the role it can

:03:21.:03:28.

play. I know that schools have to make the

:03:29.:03:32.

best use of their resource, therefore I was shocked to learn

:03:33.:03:36.

that schools in the north-west are charged ?27 million for their water

:03:37.:03:40.

charge, will the Prime Minister agree with me, that schools are

:03:41.:03:45.

important community hubs and will the Government make represent days

:03:46.:03:48.

to Ofwat to change the banding guidance so schools are considered

:03:49.:03:51.

community asset, rather than classified in the same way as big

:03:52.:03:59.

business. Can I commend those who play a role

:04:00.:04:05.

as school governor, she is right schools need to think carefully. The

:04:06.:04:08.

approach does change but we are looking at the guidance to water

:04:09.:04:12.

companies, in relation to how they can deal with schools and whether

:04:13.:04:15.

they could be looking at schools and using more concessionary rates in

:04:16.:04:19.

relation to schools. Thank you very much. The Prime

:04:20.:04:25.

Minister may by a wear of last week's BBC Spotlight programme on

:04:26.:04:28.

what was serious allegation of corruption and fraud round the sale

:04:29.:04:32.

of properties in Northern Ireland. Can the Prime Minister confirm what

:04:33.:04:36.

agencies will be investigating those and if the National Crime Agency

:04:37.:04:41.

will be involved, and will he the report be publicly published in due

:04:42.:04:46.

course? I have to say to the honourable gentleman on the specific

:04:47.:04:52.

issue he has raise, if I may I will come back as he know the National

:04:53.:04:57.

Crime Agency does operate in Northern Ireland on a slightly

:04:58.:05:01.

different basis, and it will be necessary for the issues where they

:05:02.:05:05.

are being looked into to ensure that the appropriate skills and

:05:06.:05:08.

capability are brought to bear. Will write him a detailed answer to his

:05:09.:05:12.

question. Will the Prime Minister give her full and enthusiastic up

:05:13.:05:21.

support to the Presidents as they reach a crucial stage of their

:05:22.:05:26.

negotiations which we hope will deliver a negotiated settlement for

:05:27.:05:31.

a free and united Cyprus. I am happy to join my right honourable friend

:05:32.:05:35.

in what she say, it is important I think everybody across the House

:05:36.:05:39.

will wish these talks well, and hope they have a successful conclusion.

:05:40.:05:43.

It has been two years since the Prime Minister set up the child

:05:44.:05:46.

abuse inquiry, it is on to its fourth chair and last week, the

:05:47.:05:53.

outgoing chair said it had become inherently unmanageable. Since the

:05:54.:05:59.

Prime Minister appointed Dame Goddard to her position, will she

:06:00.:06:05.

insist she comes before this House to explain herself, surely child

:06:06.:06:08.

abuse survivors deserve an eggs plagues. On the process point it is

:06:09.:06:13.

not for the Prime Minister to insist who attends before a committee of

:06:14.:06:17.

this house. I understand as she been invited to attend the committee.

:06:18.:06:22.

What I would say on the child abuse issue, she and I share, we share

:06:23.:06:26.

across this House many honourable members a desire to see these issues

:06:27.:06:31.

of appalling crimes of child abuse being looked into it. It is

:06:32.:06:36.

important that the inquiry, she has set up the diary, many aspects of

:06:37.:06:40.

this which are already in place and operating, and I am very pleased

:06:41.:06:48.

that Alexis Jay has take on the job. She will do it very well and we will

:06:49.:06:52.

have answers to questions that so many have been asking for too long.

:06:53.:06:58.

Thank you. Child sexual exploitation is an issue that affects many

:06:59.:07:01.

community, does the Prime Minister agree that shining a light on the

:07:02.:07:04.

events of the past is the best way to learn lessons in the future, and

:07:05.:07:09.

will she agree to an independent review of child sexual explore

:07:10.:07:14.

tasting in Telford? -- exploitation. I think my right honourable friend

:07:15.:07:18.

has just shown the cross-party's concern that there is on this issue

:07:19.:07:23.

of child abuse and child sexual exploitation, it is right adds my

:07:24.:07:25.

right honourable friend says that we are able to look into the abuses of

:07:26.:07:29.

the past and the crimes of the past, that will be important lessons we

:07:30.:07:33.

immediate to learn from that as to why institutions, that were supposed

:07:34.:07:36.

to protect children failed to protect them. It is for the

:07:37.:07:39.

authorities in Telford to look specifically at how they wish to

:07:40.:07:43.

address these issues in Telford, but I am sure as my right honourable

:07:44.:07:46.

friend the Home Secretary has heard her comments and I am sure she will

:07:47.:07:52.

want to take that up with her. Following the successful

:07:53.:07:54.

Hillsborough independent panel, will the Prime Minister now look at

:07:55.:08:00.

setting up a similar review, of the biggest treatment disaster in the

:08:01.:08:05.

history of the NHS, the contaminated blood scandal. Victims are still

:08:06.:08:09.

waiting for answers and justice 35 years on. The honourable lady raises

:08:10.:08:18.

very important point in relation to contaminated blood. I I will take

:08:19.:08:22.

the point she has made and take it away and consider it. Obviously as

:08:23.:08:27.

she will know that the reasons and the background which let to the

:08:28.:08:30.

Hillsborough independent panel. I recognise that the concern people

:08:31.:08:34.

have about contaminated blood and will consider the point she has

:08:35.:08:35.

made. Will lead Prime Minister take this

:08:36.:09:04.

opportunity to send a loud and clear message that the best way to secure

:09:05.:09:09.

a harmonious society is not only for mainstream bidden to respect

:09:10.:09:13.

minority traditions such as Diwali and Eid, but also that council

:09:14.:09:21.

officials appreciate that minority communities should respect the views

:09:22.:09:27.

and traditions of mainstream Britain. That means Christmas trees

:09:28.:09:36.

are not festive trees. I do agree with my honourable friend. I'm not

:09:37.:09:43.

going to comment or pre-empt the findings of Louise Casey's work and

:09:44.:09:46.

her review. It is an important piece of work. I will join him in saying

:09:47.:09:50.

that what we want in our society is tolerance and understanding, but we

:09:51.:09:55.

also want minority communities to be able to recognise and stand up for

:09:56.:09:59.

their traditions. We also want to be able to stand up for our traditions

:10:00.:10:02.

generally as well, and that includes business. Would the Prime Minister

:10:03.:10:10.

look very carefully at the calls from the Royal British Legion and

:10:11.:10:14.

Poppy Scotland, for a new questions to be added to the next senses so we

:10:15.:10:19.

can better meet the needs of our serving personnel in the armed

:10:20.:10:24.

Forces, veterans and their families? In Northern Ireland, where such a

:10:25.:10:27.

massive contribution is made to the Armed Forces in terms of service,

:10:28.:10:34.

would she look at funding under the Armed Forces covenant so there is

:10:35.:10:37.

equitable funding across all regions of the United Kingdom? I say to the

:10:38.:10:43.

right honourable gentleman that I am pleased it was this government that

:10:44.:10:46.

introduced the military covenant and has recognised the importance of

:10:47.:10:51.

that bond and that link with those who are serving in the Armed Forces,

:10:52.:10:59.

but also the importance in terms of veterans in our armed Forces. I have

:11:00.:11:03.

not seen the request. That will certainly be looked at by the

:11:04.:11:05.

Cabinet office when considering the next senses.

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Does she agree that the cooperation between Russia and the United States

:11:13.:11:15.

in respect of Aleppo sets a very important precedent, and it is in

:11:16.:11:22.

the British national interest to redevelop links with Russia and then

:11:23.:11:25.

we may be able to solve many more problems in that region? The

:11:26.:11:35.

agreement reached between Russia and the United States about Syria is

:11:36.:11:40.

important, and I think everybody in this House will want to see that

:11:41.:11:44.

working, being put into practice and working on the ground. I would say

:11:45.:11:48.

there have been a number of occasions where we have seen what we

:11:49.:11:51.

thought were steps forward and sadly it has not been possible to

:11:52.:11:55.

implement them. I hope this will be different this time and I hope it

:11:56.:11:59.

will mark an important step. In relation to Russia, we should have

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no doubt about the relationship we should have with Russia. It is not a

:12:03.:12:08.

business as usual relationship. I made that very clear when I was

:12:09.:12:12.

responding to the report on the murder of little and ankle. We

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should continue with that position. George Howarth. Can I join with my

:12:17.:12:22.

right honourable friend, the Leader of the Opposition, the Prime

:12:23.:12:27.

Minister, Jane Kennedy, the police and Crime Commissioner on

:12:28.:12:30.

Merseyside, in commending the tremendous bravery of the police

:12:31.:12:34.

officers involved in a stabbing incident in my constituency

:12:35.:12:39.

yesterday? And also, despite that, they apprehended the suspect. With

:12:40.:12:43.

the Prime Minister acknowledge that the police, often in very dangerous

:12:44.:12:48.

circumstances, are being asked to do more and more with fewer and fewer

:12:49.:12:54.

resources? Once again, I join the right honourable gentleman in

:12:55.:12:59.

recognising the work of the individual police constable, as he

:13:00.:13:05.

says, apprehending... Three police constables, I apologise. In

:13:06.:13:10.

apprehending well-being under attack. Our police officers bravely

:13:11.:13:15.

go where others would not go in order to protect the public. They do

:13:16.:13:19.

so much in the line of duty. But also when they are off duty as well,

:13:20.:13:24.

they are prepared to go and face danger. On the issue of resources, I

:13:25.:13:29.

would simply remind him that we have protected police budgets over the

:13:30.:13:32.

period of the comprehensive spending review settlement. In the face of a

:13:33.:13:37.

proposal from his front bench that we should cut them by 5% to 10%.

:13:38.:13:40.

Order. It comes to an end, it is almost

:13:41.:13:51.

quarter to one, almost a record for us. It will be remembered because it

:13:52.:13:57.

was clearly Jeremy Corbyn's best PMQs since he became leader of the

:13:58.:14:01.

Labour Party. He chose all six questions on grammar schools and in

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a number of these six questions he had the Prime Minister on the ropes.

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Which was interesting because the whole policy of grammar schools is

:14:10.:14:13.

very much the Prime Minister's policy. Yet when it came to general

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principles or to some detail in the policy, Mrs May struggled to find

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the answers. It also produced what has been a unique situation since Mr

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Corbyn became Labour leader which is that the Labour benches behind him

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were wholly united in his questions, and in his general approach, where

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the Conservative benches behind Mrs May were somewhat quiet and

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strangely mute. We will see what the panel thinks in a moment. Let us see

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what you thought first. Broad support for Jeremy Corbyn's line of

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questioning. Claire said Theresa May defending the indefensible. The

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announcement about grammar schools seems to have created as much talk

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as The Great British Bake Off. Martin says the provision of grammar

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school places is very low and there is not a credible plan to improve

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thing, Helen says someone has given Jeremy Corbyn a shot of at Lynn and

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he appears relevant. Mike says I failed my 11-Plus,

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passed the 13 plus and went to the local technical college. I retired

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with an MSC. If Mrs May thought the grammar

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school announcement and everything that goes with it, would get people,

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would be like throwing a dead cat on to the table to stop them talking

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about Brexit, I would suggest after today she may need to find another

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dead cat. Quite possibly. This is a hugely risky political project of

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Theresa May's. She has decided it is very much her policy she wanted --

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wants to bring this back in a complicated way, with all sorts of

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caveats and ideas that are meant to sort of mitigate the idea it is

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somehow a return to the 1950s, a Reto nightmare that many of the

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modern Tory party find unpalatable. What we saw there, is the big

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problem for Mrs May in getting this threw. Labour are united on this

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policy it is probably the only thing they have been united on since

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Jeremy Corbyn took over and the Tories are split. And I think she

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was struggling there, to actually defend the policy, to give a clear

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narrative of what it has... It is her policy. It is. This is one of

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the interesting thing, if you look at the proposals in the green paper,

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there are almost as many policies that seem designed to off set the

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sort of stereo typical horrors of the gram mar system, as there are --

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grammar system, as there are supporting them. This will be

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difficult. One thing I would say if there were to be a vote tomorrow, it

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would really struggle to go through, but Theresa May has decided it to

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take a more old fashioned approach. Do a green paper, then a white paper

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before getting to legislation and some Conservative MPs are seeing

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this as a real opportunity to fight for a bits and pieces of thing they

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want, because Number Ten is trying to have an open approach, allowing

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people to make their own arguments I assume she can allow existing

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grammar schools to expand. Yes under the existing set of, of rules and

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regulations but even that is a fight. When it did happen under

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David Cameron, it was something that had huge legal discussions around

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it, it went on for months and only eventually did Nicky Morgan give the

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green light for expansion of an existing grammar school under

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specific condition, one thing that is important to remember, the

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Education Bill called education for all, that forces low performing

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schools to become academies, that is still going through, and what Number

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Ten can't answer effectively is how the two pieces of legislation are

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going to interact. This is a major set of reforms on top of a major set

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of reform, that does not have broad and whole hearted political support

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in Theresa May's own party, so very risky decision to have taken, there

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is a lot of conspiracy theory about whether this was was to stop people

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talking about Brexit. There was more to it than that. She believes in it.

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She does. What is answer? To the To the point many people have raises

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including Jeremy Corbyn, in those areas where there are grammar

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school, those who go to them are hugely successful, or as successful

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as some of the best private school, those that don't make to it the gal

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mar schools don't perform as well as those in areas where there are no

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grammar schools. The The answer is to improve all grammar school, my,

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the other schools have got better, and they have got better for various

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reason reason, one is a Church of England academy which has been

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transformed out of all recognition and another one has been taken over

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by an academy chain and the central point. You are a Kent MP. The

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central point I would like an answer to the question, if you are an MP

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from that area, you will know that those that don't make it to the

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grammar schools in Kent do not perform as well as their equivalent,

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their peer group in areas where there aren't grammar school, why is

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that the case? There have been grammar school, you have had plenty

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of time to put that right. That is not universally true. It is in Kent.

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It used to be the case in old binary system if you like. I am talking

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about now. I am too. We have got a much more variegated school system

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than we used to have, and that is showing the improvements that we

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have seen, what we are introducing with this and Laura is right, this

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is a consultation followed by a white paper, following by ledge

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laying, is another welcome degree of variation investigation, just as

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schools can concentrate on arts or music, they can concentrate on

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academic excellence.some Why do the grammar schools in Kent, why do only

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3% of the children who go there on free school meals? They possibly

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need to do better on that. What is the average in Kent? About 15, I

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think. Correct. So three. Yes. There are probably independent day schools

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do better than that. One of the things we are saying in the

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consultation is that grammar schools need to make more. Excuse me Mr

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Green, you are a Tory MP for Kent, Kent is a Tory run council, you have

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kept these gram many schools going -- grammar schools going while they

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have been killed off. With massive public support. Who I in 2016 so few

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of the kids are going there, because the whole point of grammar school is

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to educate those from poorer background, why are so few on free

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school meals. Hasn't the council addressed it. You are a Tory MP.

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There are new things you can do. This has been round forever. It has

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not been round forever. The percentage of kids on free school

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meals lower than the national average has been round since you and

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I were in short trousers, we are going back a while. A lot of the

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things that have been done to address the opportunities for

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children from poor background has been the increased different types

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of schools, that have been introduced both in Kent and other

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parts, some of them going back to the Blair years, the idea that this

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is wring bringing anything back is the central misunderstanding. The

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Prime Minister made that point. It is clearly Labour is united against

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either extending existing grammar schools or introducing new grammar

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schools, what is not so clear, the Prime Minister talked about

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diversity, is Labour in favour of academies, no? We are not in favour

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of the forced academy programme, and but that was pushed, the

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government... The Government had to sideline that We are not against

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academy, what we have said is in areas where we have a mixture of

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academies, free schools and on the free schools we were concerned they

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were being set up in areas where we needed other provision and the money

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Simoned off. What we have said is we don't agree with the idea which

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sometimes is said about Labour that somehow local authorities should

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control everything. We think the there needs to be at a local level a

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sense, if it is the local authority or a commissioner, who can look at

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how the schools are performing. I have supported academies, but the

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truth is some, including my own area, have not done as well as

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expected. But this is a... You would, you wouldn't allow any more

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grammars, you would stop the creation of more free schools? There

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is a question mark about them. If it is taking away money from needy

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area, if you allow free schools to set up when there is a lack of

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places in other area, I don't think that solves a problem. Would you

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allow new academies to be formed? Yes, What is the difference? Look,

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the difference is partly about academy, from what I with say, they

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are more planned within the area, the problem about the free schools

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is they can go to the Secretary of State for Education and decide you

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can have one, with no sense of planning in the local area, can I

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say something on the grammar school. I think it's a diversion, it may be

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given they will have to come up with a Brexit model that doesn't please

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Erne that voted leave it is red meat. It is not working. It is about

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early years, poorest children are 18 months behind other, we have a

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problem of getting good teachers into our schools. I need to

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interrupt. You can blame the speaker for that. I would suggest that Mrs

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May and her advisers need to have a meeting, and sort out what they are

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doing and where they are going. There are two things, one is they

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were bounced into revealing this policy long before they wanted to.

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That is clear, they were not ready with the details when the storimphed

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so this was rushed and it shows because they have not been able to

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answer the questions. And the second? Huge political opportunity

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here nor the Labour Party. Jeremy Corbyn I am told didn't have his

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extra Weetabix, he had jam and whether there was was a sugar rush.

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Home-made. Maybe it was his own jam he had. Who noes? A much more

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effective performance from him. We, no, no, no we have to leaf it there.

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You have had your say. We need to move on. This is an important story.

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Now, as MPs stroll out of the Commons chamber together

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after PMQs, there will only be one topic of conversation

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in the corridors of Westminster - what is happening to your seat

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Plans to redraw the boundaries of parliamentary constituencies

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in England and Wales were published yesterday.

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It's all part of a plan to equalise the number of voters

:25:46.:25:48.

in constituencies across the UK, and reduce the overall number of MPs

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Some MPs are worried it could leave them out of a job.

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So do our MPs know what their re-drawn boundaries look like?

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Let's has a brief look at Caroline's. Don Valley. This is the

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current boundaries for the constituencies in Doncaster. This is

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for you, Caroline. This is Damian Green's, Ashford in Kent. Both of

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you, redraw your boundaries they way they have been suggested by the

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commission. I am hoping you will be able to talk and draw at the same

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time. We have run out of time, I'm afraid! There is a consultation

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period going on for about 12 weeks. And members of the public are

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encouraged to give their view. It looks as if the two MPs do vaguely

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know what their new boundaries will look like. You do not have to be

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precise. Just a vague artistic idea. We will have Caroline's first. I

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don't want to put you under any pressure. Then Damien has a bit more

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time. His is very simple. There is no prize, Caroline. You hold it up,

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turn it around. It is like Blue Peter! Caroline, your constituency

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has moved to the east. I don't know if it is going to be my

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constituency. It used to be aired by -- Ed Miliband on the top. Doncaster

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Central is pretty much the same in the middle. Shift. Damian, you have

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had plenty of time. Put your pen down. Turn it around. Quickly tell

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us what has happened? The bit I have shaded in is supposed to go

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somewhere else and the bits on the other side that used to be mine was

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given to Folkestone and Hythe in a previous boundary review and they

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are now proposing to give it back to me. What is wrong with these

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boundaries? I think it does not take into account 2 million voters who

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ref -- registered in the EU referendum. By reducing number of

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MPs? People think politics costs too much. This would be fairer. Very

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nice drawings. Sometimes you can have too much publicity.

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There's just time to put you out of your misery and give

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That's all for today. Thanks to our guests.

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The One O'Clock News is starting over on BBC One now.

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Jo and I will be here at noon tomorrow, with all the big political

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stories of the day. Do join us if you can.

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Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn are joined by work and pensions secretary, Damian Green, and former Europe minister, Caroline Flint, for all the latest political news from Westminster including full coverage of Prime Minister's Questions at midday.


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