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There's just 24 hours to go before the result of the Labour

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Whoever wins, can they bring the party back together again?

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The Foreign Secretary suggests formal Brexit negotiations

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Other Conservatives warn against rushing the process.

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You may have missed it, but there was a general election

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yesterday in the British Isles - on the Isle of Man.

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We'll bring you the result of the vote for members

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And we report from a film festival that celebrates workers' rights.

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All that in the next hour and with us for the duration,

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Sam Coates, Deputy Political Editor at the Times, and Caroline

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Wheeler, Political Editor at the Sunday Express.

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Let's kick off with the question of when Theresa May will formally

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start the process of leaving the EU - the so-called

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We think of nothing else here, you know. It is actually not Article 50

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of the Lisbon Treaty but a protocol to the Maastricht Treaty. Are you

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still with me? Probably not. Last night the Foreign Secretary,

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Boris Johnson, suggested it was likely the Government

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would invoke Article 50 early The Government is working

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towards an Article 50 letter, which, as you know, will be produced

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probably in the early That is still a subject

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for discussion, but you know, what is clear, I think

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to our friends and partners We are not leaving Europe, though

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we are leaving the EU treaties. We do want to have the closest

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possible trading relationship, and it is very, very much

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in their interests to achieve that. The Foreign Secretary's

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statement wasn't entirely backed up by Number 10,

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though sources just repeated the official line that Article 50

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won't be triggered this year. Well, this morning

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another senior EU figure, the President of the European

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Parliament, Martin Schulz, made it clear he wanted Theresa May

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to trigger Article 50 as soon What I'm saying is we had

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an exchange of views about the position, the known

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position, both sides know. The Government is insisting

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that they need more time to prepare the negotiations

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because of the complexity of the project to leave

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the European Union. On the other hand, we insist

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to trigger Article 50 as soon as possible,

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because we believe that uncertainty is not healthy,

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neither for the economy in the United Kingdom,

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nor for the whole political system Mar stin skulls of the European

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Parliament - Martin schuss. Our Ellie is in

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Downing Street for us. Boris ju Johnson just said what is

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the working assumption in Westminster, it is some stage

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between the beginning of the new year and Easter, Mrs May will

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trigger article 50. That's what we expect, isn't it? Yes, a will the

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seems to have made of this this morning. But as you say, I think

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this is kind of what we were all working on anyway. There was that

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mild slapdown from number ten from Mrs May's spokesman when she pointed

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out it is Mrs May's decision when Article 50 is triggered and she will

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only make the decision when it is in Britain's interest. But what Boris

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Johnson said is essentially what everyone has been working on. It is

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worth looking back to what it means. We keep talking about Brexit being

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like some kind of divorce between Britain and the EU. If Brexit is

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indeed the divorce, Article 50 is the bit with the lawyers, the

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deciding who gets the CD collection and who gets control of the dog. Now

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we have the control, we have the control of when to trigger Article

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50, but when it is triggered it will take three years, so the decree

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absolute will be two years after Article 50 is triggered so. There

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been people in the Conservatives, Dominic Grieve saying - don't rush

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it, we need it make sure that Britain is in a state of

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preparedness before you get to the two-year trigger. There are others

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who say - get on with it. Don't forget, Britain remains a member of

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the EU all the time it is in the negotiations, during Article 50, at

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which time it can't negotiate with any other trade deals T can't enter

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into any other relationship with others outside the EU, who may want

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to enter into trade agreements. We'll leave it there. There is a

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vacuum in British politics at the moment, because the Government won't

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give us any details of its timetable or negotiating position. There is a

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danger when people say something, that is innocuous, we build it into

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a huge event - Boris Johnson goes off piste, knocked down by Downing

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Street. It is Much Ado About Nothing, I would suggest. It is

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number ten's strategy at the moment. Ultimately, the main thrust of it

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all is not to reveal our cards at all as to where we are going. Lots

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can change within a very short space of time. We have seen it again with

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David Davis not long ago where he suggested it would be improbably for

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us to stay within the single market and that got a mild rebuke, again

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from Downing Street. They do not want to say anything about Brexit or

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the timetable until we get to a position that we are on the cusp of

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doing it. Simply because they don't want a long-running commentary which

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they think will keep the instability up in the air about what we are

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doing. But David Davis got mildly knocked back for stating the

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bleeding obvious. If we are not going to fall under the European

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Court of Justice - which determines single market arguments - and we are

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not going to have the freedom of movement that they have now, ipso

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facto, we can't be full members of the single market. I mean what is...

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What bit is wrong in that statement? That seems to be where we are

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heading but what is fascinating and to my mind a little disturbing about

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where we are right now, is that the Government is shutting down a debate

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on where we go next. It is possible to have one, George Osborne gave a

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speech this mornings sort of kicking it off. You have to make a choice in

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the way that Brexit unfolds in the coming months. The choice has to be

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- do you in the end put the interests of the economy first? Or

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do you, perhaps, say that it is more important to deal with migration,

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the thing that many people think they voted on? In his speech this

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morning, George Osborne said he thought it was more important that

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the economy doesn't contract in the coming years but it feels to me that

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Theresa May has taken the decision is that the most important thing she

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has to do, the thing she was thwarted from doing all the way

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through the coalition years from the Treasury, is tying action to make

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sure you can reduce net migration numbers. And I think we have to have

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a healthy debate about the consequences of that and the options

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available to us and we are not doing that because no Government minister,

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those people with the biggest mega phones are able to talk about it. So

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I think we are in a weird position where Downing Street stamps

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everitime somebody says something. In this case, it is an innocuous

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thing, the Trigger of the Article 50. It is early days and there is a

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Tory Party conference coming up. They'll have to talk about it there.

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Martin Schulz says he wants Britain out, sometime by 2019. That's not

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controversial, that's almost exactly the Government's timetable. If Mrs

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May triggers Article 50 say by March of next year, which is when I think

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it'll be roughly then, then a two-year process which takes you to,

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oh, March 2019 when it all comes to a halt. So, they are on the same

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side on that timetable? They are. There has been some speculation that

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there could be some delay because of the election wris taking place in

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mainland Europe but ultimately, as we said, I think what he said, as

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you said yourself, is fairly innocuous and probably pretty

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accurate but it isp wanting to maintain some kind of control on

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this. They have a whole day of talking about Brexit on the first

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day of the Conservative Party Conference. She is speaking twice.

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What will happen on the second day? Well you have all the Brexiteers

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speaking on the Sunday. They will have to say something. They will, no

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knows, maybe she will surprise us. And you can see the full

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interview with Martin Schulz on the BBC News Channel

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at 5.00pm this afternoon. We are getting breaking news that

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Jim O'Neilll has resigned from his UK Treasury post. You probably

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haven't heard of him. He used to be the former - he was the Chief

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Economist at Goldman Sachs investment bank. I think he was the

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one that invented the acronym, BRICS, Brazil, Africa, Russia,

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India, China. He got a job in the Government, I

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think it is an unpaid job, because he is rolling in it anyway. He was

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made an elected member of the Upper House and involved in a number of

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things, including the northern powerhouse. He has resigned, any

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idea? His job was two things - to nurture the northern powerhouse and

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ensure that relations with China were smooth T looks like Theresa May

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isn't terribly keen on either of them. Although she just about has

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used the phrase northern powerhouse and brought herself to say... She

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used it four times, there was an article in the Manchester Evening

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News. But other ministers have talked about the Midlands Powerhouse

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and some aides in depreet thought to be going around saying - I think

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George Osborne's northern powerhouse looks like amounting to two or three

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towns and we think that feeling, that it wasn't important s one of

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the reasons he has gone. If you hadn't heard of him before, now he

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has resigned, you probably will hear of him.

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The question for today is who did former Shadow Chancellor, Ed Balls,

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Was it: a) His Strictly dance partner, Katya?

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At the end of the show Caroline and Sam will give us the correct

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The result of the Labour leadership ballot is due at around

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But while we've got just under 24 hours to wait,

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all sides of the party appear to have already accepted that

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Jeremy Corbyn will remain Labour's front man.

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said this week that whoever wins the leadership on Saturday,

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the party needs to "put the band back together."

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So, if Jeremy Corbyn is re-elected, can the Labour Leader get his MPs

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all singing from the same song sheet?

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He needs to fill more than 60 unfilled posts

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Owen Smith has already said he is going solo

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and will not serve in a Corbyn Shadow Cabinet.

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Chris Bryant, one of Mr Smith's supporters have urged party

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colleagues to play their part in reuniting the party with real mag

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nap imity. has already said she

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would return if asked. More MPs may serve if Shadow Cabinet

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elections are reintroduced - Chief Whip, Rosie Winterton,

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is co-ordinating further talks between Mr Watson and Mr Corbyn

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after Labour's National Executive could not reach an agreement

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on the matter earlier this week. 29% of Labour member supporting Owen

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Smith have told one Sawyer vie that they would leave the party if Mr

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Corbyn is re-elected. But whatever happens, Labour has a uphill tax

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task to get to number 1 in the polls.

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Speaking on Question Time last night, Liz Kendall -

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who stood for the leadership this time last year -

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said she won't be joining Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet.

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I disagree with Jeremy on many issues, particularly around

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defence and our membership of things like Nato.

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I think it is very important that Labour remains

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You know, whoever is elected, I don't think that I would put

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myself forward to serve in the Shadow Cabinet.

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We have some great people who can take the fight to the Tories,

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but we also need, I think, to do some serious long-term thinking

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about the future of our party and what we have to offer

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to the country, and that is what I will be focussing on over

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We're joined now from Middlesbrough by Andy McDonald, a member

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of Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet, and in Liverpool by Richard Angell

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from Progress, Labour's centrist pressure group.

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Let me come to you, Andy MacDonald. Is there not a danger that new a

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position, now, that the more support Mr Corbyn gets in the Labour Party,

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and nobody can be in any doubt of the support he has got from Labour

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members - but the more support he gets there, the less support he

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seems to get among Labour voters in the country?

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By the time this is done and dusted we will have a united Labour Party

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presenting our proposals to the electorate. I think they will prove

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to be very popular, what we are not helped by is when the party is

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divided and at each other. We have seen a poll out this morning, that

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more than 50% of people who voted Labour in 2015 and who backed Brexit

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in June, now say they won't vote for Labour any more. It's a big number,

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several million. Those are big number, but I think

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over the weeks and months ahead we will see that begin to change,

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because there is no doubt about it, there is a real appetite within the

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Parliamentary Labour Party for people to come together. We may not

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get everybody Tetley signed up and supported, but a great number of

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members of Parliament are wanting to serve and take the fight to where it

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should be, which is with this Government. I think those numbers

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will change over the period ahead. They could change after the

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election, we will have to watch and see. I don't quite detect the

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appetite nor for everyone to come together. There are a number of

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leading the Labour MPs who are saying they will not serve in Mr

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Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet even if he is reelected by a big majority, as

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the boundary changes get under way, we are going to be looking to see

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how many deselection attempts there are, that is not the kind of

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environment to heal division, is it? No, but you have to is that right

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that process of healing the ethe vision, it is vitally important we

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do that. I take your point, that there are a number of people who

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said they won't in any circumstances, but I think that may

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change, once people see we have that unanimity of purpose, we saw that

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being led by Angela Raynor opposite the Grammar School debate. We were

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as one on that issue, and I think when Labour comes together like

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that, it can be a very forceful voice in British poll tuck, so I

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think people will be attracted to that and slowly we will see our

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fortunes rise in the polls and any of the elections that come along, I

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am confident that is what will happen. Richard, if Mr Corbyn is

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comfortably re-elected, perhaps on a bigger margin than he won last year,

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what should centrist Labour MPs do? Well, all centrist members of the

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Labour Party should stay, should be forthright about what they believe

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our party should do going forward. We are united about why the Tories

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are wrong, what we have to do is have the debate about why we are not

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just an alternative, we could replace them. That is what I fear

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that isn't there as part of the Corbyn project. How many debates do

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you need? Need? You have had two leadership contests in the space of

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a year? The debate doesn't end with a leadership question, that is just

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about who leads us as the front, but Jeremy Corbyn has got to outline his

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very serious plans about how he will aim to get more votes than his Tory

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point, how he will not just have the best lines in Parliament to oppose

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them, which we are yet to see coming forward but a real plan, for not

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just policy agenda but alearntive government that can replace the Tory

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Government. Isn't the danger the more you talk to yourselves and go

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on about endless debate and discussion the more the country is

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switching off? Agree, I want to be on the doorstep. You called for more

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debate. Because we are in the wrong position. You talked about how many

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voters we are losing, 2.5 million have abandoned the Labour Party. I

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used to have to go and argue about why we needed to win votes off the

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Tory, we are having to win back people who recently voted Labour.

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That is how big the change is, if Jeremy Corbyn doesn't show he wants

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to bring people in and take them onboard, end the abuse, lots of

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party members who campaign for Andy McDonald will wake way and say this

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party isn't for them. Was it not a huge mistake for like minded

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centrist Labour people like yourself, to challenge Jeremy Corbyn

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and have another leadership contest only a year after the first one,

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that you just, you have lost another summer talking to yourself, it was a

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huge mistake to challenge Mr Corbyn wasn't it. That was way above my pay

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grade. You were in favour of it even if you are paid tuppence.. It is a

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fair point none came with sufficient ideas, organisation or the ability

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to convince people. That is something we have to continue to

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work on going forward. You can't take any other view if you lose your

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ideas weren't that good enough currently when the leader of the

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Labour Party's priority is to raise money for the stop to war coalition

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not the Labour Party it's a real challenge and you have to focus them

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back on the core business, which is helping councils getting elected.

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Focussing on staying in the EU, which we failed at. I think that

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ship left the harbour on June 23rd. So my point is it did because we

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were insufficiently up for the challenge. If you look... No, no,

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you have had a good say, I am going to bring Andy back in, in here. On

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the European issue, your constituency voted 66% to leave. Do

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you therefore go along with that, or do you try to find some ways to have

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another referendum, or do you respect the votes of your

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constituency? Well of course you represent them. They were angry at

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the stay to us Quo and they made that very clear to when I was

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knocking on door, they were furious about the lot they had been dealt,

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and they saw it with SSI at Redcar when the Government walked away and

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abandoned the steel industry. They were hitting out. I could understand

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that quite rightly. People in my constituency felt they had not had a

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good deal from the Government. I had anti-David Cameron sentiments on the

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doorstep, that was translated in a vote to leave the ow. We have to

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listen to people. So... As understand by me. What does it tell

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us about the mood in the Labour Party, that the, that the party

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staff of Labour, from their headquarters, have had to be given

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advice on dealing with violent and aggressive behaviour at the Labour

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Conference, one Labour MP, a Jewish Labour MP is worried she is taking a

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body Bard to the Conference, what does it tell us the about the mood

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inside your party? Well, think it tells us that this is totally

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unacceptable. The abuse that is going on. I don't think that the

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vast majority of people within the Labour, we are now 600,000 people,

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they are good despeedget, not offence Si and rude. Why has

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headquarters felt it necessary to issue this advise, I have been

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covering conferences since 1973. I can nerve remember advice being

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given to deal with a violent and aggressive behaviour at the

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Conference. I think the mood has changed. I look to social media. It

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seems to be the modern equivalent of road rage, people seem to be free to

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say what they like on Twitter. I have had the most horrific things

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said to me. It is not acceptable. What is going on when people feel

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free to use if most foul language, people should have respect and

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manners, and that applies within the Labour and outside. That is a modern

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expression of how we go about our business, and I for one don want any

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part of it. Well, perhaps the advice won't be required in the end in

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Liverpool. We will see. Andy McDonald. Richard Angell. Both of

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you, thank you. You begin to put the party back together again but there

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is now going to be a struggle for the soul of the NEC, there will be

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more talk about deselection as the boundary changes gather, and I sense

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that quite a lot of the centrist Labour MPs won't join Mr Corbyn's

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Shadow Cabinet again, so it is possible that the divisions and the

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sense of Civil War will continue, is it not? I think that is inevitable.

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When you talk to former members of the shadow cob net they are at a

:24:21.:24:24.

loss at the moment. There has been talk about this co-existence which

:24:25.:24:30.

we have seen to a certain extent, in the run, silence behind Jeremy

:24:31.:24:36.

Corbyn as he goes forward to do PMQ, it seems they may continue. That is

:24:37.:24:39.

worrying because ultimately they are the opposite and we need to have a

:24:40.:24:44.

united opposition, everyone when we have a Conservative Government with

:24:45.:24:49.

a relatively small minority, they need to challenge the decisions that

:24:50.:24:54.

are come up with. We seem to be in a position where the glass roots are

:24:55.:24:58.

in search of a new political party and the political party is in search

:24:59.:25:03.

of a new grass roots. How does that work itself out? It doesn't, does

:25:04.:25:10.

it. There are, there is a binary choice for many people who oppose

:25:11.:25:14.

Jeremy Corbyn back in June, early July and called for him to go. You

:25:15.:25:21.

stay on the outside or crawl cockroach like back in to the

:25:22.:25:24.

centre, the story of the next few days will be that. It won't be the

:25:25.:25:28.

people who would be out staying out, but those people who decide to

:25:29.:25:33.

swallow their pride and get involved with Jeremy Corbyn and sit round the

:25:34.:25:39.

table with him. We could see a few people. There is a desperate attempt

:25:40.:25:43.

by team Corbyn to phone people up and say you can have whatever job

:25:44.:25:46.

you want if you come back round the table. It only needs five or six to

:25:47.:25:51.

allow Jeremy cover to say look, they have come back to me, forget about

:25:52.:25:55.

those who won't, but there have been some who signed back up. It will be

:25:56.:25:59.

an continuing story when Parliament comes back.

:26:00.:26:02.

We have to get through the Labour and Tory conferences first.

:26:03.:26:06.

And you'll be able to watch the results of the Labour leadership

:26:07.:26:09.

contest live on BBC2 from 11.00am tomorrow in a special programme

:26:10.:26:11.

hosted by Victoria Derbyshire at the party conference

:26:12.:26:13.

When was the last general election in the British Isles?

:26:14.:26:21.

No, it wasn't the 2015 election which gave David Cameron

:26:22.:26:23.

It was, in fact, yesterday, on the Isle of Man.

:26:24.:26:32.

Last night a record five women were elected to the Manx parliament,

:26:33.:26:35.

as a new generation swept into the House of Keys,

:26:36.:26:40.

Half of the parliament's 24 members are newcomers -

:26:41.:26:43.

We can speak to Radio Manx presenter, John Moss, who has been

:26:44.:26:47.

following developments over night there.

:26:48.:26:57.

Thank you for joining us, briefly tell us how the political system

:26:58.:27:04.

works, the House of Keys equivalent to the House of Commons? First of

:27:05.:27:10.

all, yes, it is the equivalent, there are 24 members, and boundary

:27:11.:27:14.

reorganisation this time has meant that there are 1 individual areas or

:27:15.:27:20.

constituencies, and each areas has two MHKs and that was the process

:27:21.:27:24.

that happened last night. There is also, I understand, there is an

:27:25.:27:30.

upper chamber as well, which scrutinises legislation, but that is

:27:31.:27:33.

appointed by the House of Keys? It is. It is called is legislative

:27:34.:27:43.

council. It is a tourist -- three chamber system. You have the House

:27:44.:27:48.

of Keys, the House of Keys decide who is goings to it is on the

:27:49.:27:52.

legislative council. It has nine member, once a month they.

:27:53.:27:56.

Co-together at the tin wold. This is the Parliament that goes back to

:27:57.:28:00.

Norse times and they come together, and they are the one that have the

:28:01.:28:09.

final said, say. So we have 24 members in the Keys and and nine in

:28:10.:28:13.

the upper chamber. They come together once a month. Why has there

:28:14.:28:17.

been a change of personnel this time? We get the feeling a lot of

:28:18.:28:22.

new blood has arrived in the House of Keys, what has prompted that?

:28:23.:28:27.

Yes, there is a bit of political blood on the floor, a few members

:28:28.:28:32.

decided to give up their political careers and retire, including the

:28:33.:28:36.

chief minister Alan Bell, he has been chief minister for the last

:28:37.:28:40.

five year, they have been very tough years we have a VAT agreement with

:28:41.:28:44.

the UK and after renegotiation about a third of the income was taken off

:28:45.:28:51.

the Isle of Man, so great deal of slimming of departments had to go

:28:52.:28:55.

on. The search is not just for new members but someone to lead them in

:28:56.:29:00.

a new government. Now, as I understand it, foreign and defence

:29:01.:29:06.

policy is a matter for Westminster. But on most or nearly all domestic

:29:07.:29:12.

matters that is a matter for the house of key what have been the

:29:13.:29:18.

issues in this campaign, what have been people arguing about and

:29:19.:29:22.

debating? It is very much domestic issues on the doorstep. The Isle of

:29:23.:29:28.

Man is facing a dam closes sword as other countries are in its Pensions

:29:29.:29:32.

Bill, the legacy from previous years, we have an enormous bill

:29:33.:29:37.

outstanding, unless we do something about the pensions and there is a

:29:38.:29:41.

lot of debate about how best to do that, the obvious answer is to get

:29:42.:29:44.

people to retire earlier and also to give more money, but this is not a

:29:45.:29:49.

popular decision. I guess you could put taxes up, they are very low

:29:50.:29:56.

there. Yes, but it's a great draw for what the Isle of Man does. There

:29:57.:30:01.

is various taxes we don't have over here which made it attractive and

:30:02.:30:06.

which the Isle of Man has lived on since it decided to go for the

:30:07.:30:10.

financial areas around about the 60s and that is how the island had the

:30:11.:30:15.

good years up to about eight years ago when the renegotiation of vat

:30:16.:30:19.

took place, and suddenly, the Isle of Man was having to struggle to

:30:20.:30:23.

find income to pay for the good time, the things it had been able to

:30:24.:30:27.

give the people. That is the source of discontent because a lot of

:30:28.:30:28.

things have had to be taken away. Thank you very much. We'll leave it

:30:29.:30:34.

there for now. Next, a row is under way

:30:35.:30:39.

in the Scottish Parliament after the Scottish Labour leader,

:30:40.:30:41.

Kezia Dugdale, failed to vote against a key

:30:42.:30:43.

SNP policy yesterday, handing the SNP government

:30:44.:30:47.

a victory on a key bit Kezia Dugdale has blamed a technical

:30:48.:30:49.

problem with the electronic voting system in Holyrood but officials

:30:50.:30:57.

say they couldn't find Our correspondent, Andrew Black,

:30:58.:30:59.

is across the story Andrew, tell us what happened? Well,

:31:00.:31:15.

this was all about a debate yesterday in the Scottish

:31:16.:31:19.

Parliament, on the issue of council tax, which, in itself is a

:31:20.:31:22.

controversial long-running issue in Scotland. The way that the Scottish

:31:23.:31:26.

Government wants to deal with the council tax issue is by essentially

:31:27.:31:31.

making people in the higher banding areas pay more council tax money.

:31:32.:31:36.

Yesterday these proposals were being debated and it looked like the

:31:37.:31:41.

Scottish Parliament was going to vote for a Conservative debating

:31:42.:31:46.

amendment, which stated that these proposals would undermine local

:31:47.:31:49.

democracy. What happened was, when it got to a vote there was a tie N

:31:50.:31:53.

that situation the Presiding Officer of the Scottish Parliament is

:31:54.:31:56.

supposed to use his casting vote to vote for what he thinks is the

:31:57.:32:02.

status quo. So, on that occasion, the Conservative amendment fell.

:32:03.:32:05.

Now, at this point nobody really knew what was going on and unlike at

:32:06.:32:10.

Westminster, there is an electronic voting system at Holyrood, where

:32:11.:32:14.

they press a button and the vote is tramsmitted instant lane once the

:32:15.:32:18.

voting records were released, it became clear that Kezia Dugdale

:32:19.:32:22.

looked like she hadn't voted. Now, only one of two things happened here

:32:23.:32:27.

- either the electronic voting system didn't work properly or that

:32:28.:32:31.

Kezia Dugdale didn't vote. Scottish parliamentary authorities say they

:32:32.:32:34.

checked and there is nothing wrong with their electronic voting system.

:32:35.:32:37.

Kezia Dugdale says she actually voted. So I suspect it is one of

:32:38.:32:42.

these things we'll never really get to the bottom of. But the more

:32:43.:32:47.

interesting thing, is really that the fallout here - now, in reality

:32:48.:32:52.

SNP Scottish Government is going to have to change its council tax

:32:53.:32:55.

policy. Because it is a minority government and it needs to get the

:32:56.:32:58.

plans through with opposition support, potentially. But, I think

:32:59.:33:03.

the other issue is that Kezia Dugdale, really and Labour in

:33:04.:33:07.

Scotland don't have their troubles to seek at all at the moment. And

:33:08.:33:12.

instead of it being an embarrassment for the Scottish Government, which

:33:13.:33:15.

they thought it was going to be, it has resulted with Labour ending up

:33:16.:33:18.

with the red faces on this occasion. Fascinating. We will leave it there.

:33:19.:33:23.

Thank you for joining us. For those who want electronic voting in the

:33:24.:33:26.

House of Commons, I guess that's just set you back a little bit.

:33:27.:33:28.

If you fancy yourself as something of a political boffin -

:33:29.:33:31.

or you'd like to become one - stay tuned.

:33:32.:33:33.

Two leading political experts have put together a new book,

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which chronicles the 50 things you need to know about ...

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Ellie has been genning up on the insights and intel in Sex,

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Lies and the Ballot Box, to make the following public

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This is a public information broadcast from the Daily Politics on

:33:48.:34:04.

how not to be wrong about politics. Please pay attention. The

:34:05.:34:09.

by-election catches the political eye of Britain. When a general

:34:10.:34:13.

election is announced, politicians keen to win votes spend weeks boring

:34:14.:34:17.

people - I mean informing the public about why they should vote for them

:34:18.:34:22.

I'm Donald, I'm the Liberal canned day. I hope you are going to support

:34:23.:34:26.

me. To the average man and woman, this makes sense but it's wrong.

:34:27.:34:32.

According to clever people, known as Political Boffin, the election

:34:33.:34:35.

campaigns don't count. Usually it's the party ahead in the polls in

:34:36.:34:41.

January that goes on to win. The manifesto which we published today,

:34:42.:34:44.

the Conservative Party manifesto. I'm sure you are an awfully clever

:34:45.:34:49.

person and you know to take election promise was a pimple of salt. Well

:34:50.:34:52.

you might be too smart with your own good. Research

:34:53.:35:03.

implement four the fifths of their manifesto, so they are worth where

:35:04.:35:09.

the paper they are written on. You know the sort. Can't decide what to

:35:10.:35:14.

choose on a menu or who do vote for. Politicians spend a lot of time

:35:15.:35:18.

chasing their vote Getting on for a 3% swing to Labour. That means

:35:19.:35:24.

people in every 100 switching from Conservative to Labour and getting

:35:25.:35:28.

on for a Labour majority. Maybe they shouldn't bother. There are more

:35:29.:35:32.

swing voters than ever but there are fewer marginal seats than there used

:35:33.:35:36.

to be. Unless these newfangled boundary changes jungle things up

:35:37.:35:39.

again, of course. Being British, you will be very #2rd in the weather. We

:35:40.:35:43.

used to think that voters were like bears. They only come out in the

:35:44.:35:46.

spring and summer. Well that might have been true but now it makes no

:35:47.:35:50.

difference when an election is held. Plucky voters pay no heed to

:35:51.:35:54.

inclement weather. Democracy, better than any umbrella. Final thought.

:35:55.:36:03.

Try to imagine a caricature lefty. Are they naive, happy, claply, let's

:36:04.:36:07.

all get along types? What about a right-winger, do you think of angry

:36:08.:36:11.

people? Well that just shows how much you know. The boffins say the

:36:12.:36:16.

left-wingers are more I will tolerant of different political

:36:17.:36:18.

views and right-wing people are the happiest. Now I've corrected your

:36:19.:36:23.

wrongly-held opinion. You can use your knowledge to impress people in

:36:24.:36:26.

a variety of social settings. You're welcome.

:36:27.:36:32.

Our Ellie and she has not been able to throw that voice since she did

:36:33.:36:38.

the voiceover. She is going to sound like that for now. And Philip Cowley

:36:39.:36:47.

has joined us. What is this business about campaigns don't matter. What

:36:48.:36:51.

is the evidence? If you look at the last 14 general elections. Party

:36:52.:36:54.

ahead in the polls in January went on to win the election when it was

:36:55.:37:00.

held. The two in 12 of those 14 case, the only 12 exceptions, one is

:37:01.:37:05.

the last one, 2015 when we know the polls were wrong all along anyway

:37:06.:37:10.

and the other one is October 1974, you cannot go back to the reaction

:37:11.:37:15.

in January, because there was a reaction in February. It doesn't

:37:16.:37:18.

mean campaigns don't matter at all but it means they don't matter as

:37:19.:37:22.

much as we think. If you want to know what determines the way

:37:23.:37:24.

elections come out, you should look at what happens two or three years

:37:25.:37:28.

before the election, which is when the action takes place. Hard to

:37:29.:37:33.

argue that the campaign won't matter in the Trump-Clinton presidential

:37:34.:37:38.

race, isn't it? Well, a, those 14 are all British. I am not making a

:37:39.:37:43.

digs stinks from the US. But the same thing is broadly true if you

:37:44.:37:47.

look at most US presidential elections, most of the action

:37:48.:37:50.

doesn't take place in the months or years before the election, it takes

:37:51.:37:54.

place two or three years' more. This season may different. Let's wait and

:37:55.:37:57.

see. So you are basically wasting your time covering election

:37:58.:38:00.

campaigns and your readers' time, even more importantly. Yes, what

:38:01.:38:05.

Phil seems to have done is written political journalism out of the

:38:06.:38:07.

script here and suggested there is something pointless about it. Look,

:38:08.:38:10.

I think there is a very good point here. I suspect that voters - I

:38:11.:38:15.

think the greatest way of working out where a investigator is going to

:38:16.:38:19.

land is talk to them in January, February before an election and hear

:38:20.:38:22.

what slogans and impressions they have of a political party. People

:38:23.:38:26.

don't change their minds particularly quickly on politics. We

:38:27.:38:30.

like to think they do. We cover the soap opera fwhems you about people

:38:31.:38:34.

get an impression, a long of had term economic plan was a phrase

:38:35.:38:37.

before the 2015 general election, which seeped into the wider public.

:38:38.:38:42.

I think "take control" was a phrase that really made an impression in

:38:43.:38:45.

the public bfrted EU referendum. I think those kinds of things take a

:38:46.:38:49.

long time, so the last manufacture minute ups and downs and coach

:38:50.:38:54.

journeys and battlebuses and flights and leaflets probably only seek to

:38:55.:38:57.

reinforce a little bit around the margins in the final days, as fun as

:38:58.:39:06.

it is to watch and cover them. You highlight this rather peculiar

:39:07.:39:09.

phenomenon in Britain, that there are more swing voters than ever,

:39:10.:39:14.

probably because of the breakdown of tribal party loyalties. But fewer

:39:15.:39:20.

marginal seats? Swing voters is almost election on election, if you

:39:21.:39:24.

look at the number of people who changed their votes between the

:39:25.:39:28.

elections, going back to 1964, it is basically an joup ward line. But

:39:29.:39:31.

those voters, however, many of them in seats that will not change hands

:39:32.:39:35.

because the political geography of Britain initially separated north

:39:36.:39:39.

and south and as it separated north and south, so you cre aid sfrong

:39:40.:39:43.

holds for each party and more recently you have had the collapse

:39:44.:39:47.

of the third party who was challenging, which has also created

:39:48.:39:51.

stronger - so in 2015 fewer marginal seats between Labour and the

:39:52.:39:54.

Conservatives than any election in post-war history. Do the boundary

:39:55.:39:59.

changes coming up change or enforce that trend? In so far as we can

:40:00.:40:03.

tell, and we don't obviously yet have the Scottish ones and we don't

:40:04.:40:06.

yet know whether they will be imposed in the form that they have

:40:07.:40:10.

been discussed, it makes very little difference. One of the surprising

:40:11.:40:16.

findings which we like to think that this country is increasingly diverse

:40:17.:40:22.

and progressive and tolerant and so on, is that a parliamentary

:40:23.:40:25.

candidate's race affects their electoral chance. Could you spell

:40:26.:40:30.

that out for us? By a couple of percentage points. Non-white capped

:40:31.:40:35.

dates suffer and Muslim candidates, in particular, suffer. You can see

:40:36.:40:40.

this, both just by looking at how they perform, but you can even just

:40:41.:40:44.

look at it by doing analysis of people's names. Candidates with

:40:45.:40:48.

non-European sounding names, non-British sounding names, perform

:40:49.:40:52.

worse in local elections and in general elections the difference is

:40:53.:40:57.

about 2 or 3 percentage points. The average sn.s doesn't flit other way.

:40:58.:41:03.

White candidates standing in an eted nickically diverse area do not South

:41:04.:41:08.

same. Does that surprise you? It does. But if you think of the

:41:09.:41:13.

ethnicity of voters, actually the ethnicity of voters can impact

:41:14.:41:15.

general election results because they are more likely to be swing

:41:16.:41:20.

voters and less entrenched political patterns of the way they vote. I

:41:21.:41:23.

think it is fascinating that somebody's name, for example, would

:41:24.:41:26.

actually influence a particular seat Even where they are on the ballot

:41:27.:41:30.

paper. It is better to be near the top of the paper than the bottom.

:41:31.:41:35.

Some voters doesn't read all the way down. You are much better off being

:41:36.:41:41.

called Bates than Yates, standing for election. I'm sure Mr Yates Or

:41:42.:41:50.

AlanEd a vak. He has a good chance. Mr Corbyn puts great store in the

:41:51.:41:54.

number of young people joining the Labour Party and attracted to his

:41:55.:41:59.

way of doing politics. Is it sensible to put your faith in young

:42:00.:42:06.

people? With the caveat that quite a lot of conventional wisdoms have

:42:07.:42:10.

been overturned in the last three or four years when it comes to

:42:11.:42:14.

electoral behaviour, I would say one of the conventional wisdoms are A,

:42:15.:42:18.

non-voters don't tend to vote and B, young people don't tend to vote. So,

:42:19.:42:23.

putting your electoral hopes on nonvoting young people is a

:42:24.:42:26.

potentially very risky electoral strategy. Right. I put that as

:42:27.:42:31.

politely and neutrally as I can. I understand. I noticed the way you

:42:32.:42:37.

were tip-toeing, tap-dancing around the thorny subject. According to

:42:38.:42:42.

research we found in your vote, right-wing people across Europe tend

:42:43.:42:46.

to be happier and enjoy their sex life most. How did you find that

:42:47.:42:53.

out? They report higher levels of satisfaction with their life. They

:42:54.:42:58.

could just be lying and they could have lower expectations. It is the

:42:59.:43:02.

other possibility. It is people on the far right who are happiest, not

:43:03.:43:06.

just in Britain but across the four other European countries that are

:43:07.:43:09.

surveyed. They are happiest more in general and with their sex life T

:43:10.:43:13.

could be that they have lower expectations either in general or

:43:14.:43:16.

between the sheets and that those expectations are, therefore,

:43:17.:43:19.

fulfilled. Would that be your experience? All I could say is if

:43:20.:43:28.

you try to get the ethical approval to do that very much at universal

:43:29.:43:32.

you would be given short shrift, I would think. You seem to be getting

:43:33.:43:37.

money for any other kind of research. Left-wing people less

:43:38.:43:41.

likely to date across the political divide. I can definitely believe,

:43:42.:43:45.

that actually. I have seen friends, particularly when I was younger at

:43:46.:43:50.

university, say they would never data Tory and vice versa and never

:43:51.:43:55.

do it the other way but more Labour supporters saying that. Saw the

:43:56.:44:04.

Never Kissed A Tory stick. There is no right-wing equivalent. People on

:44:05.:44:08.

the left are more accepting. Let me see the book. It is called More Sex

:44:09.:44:17.

Lies And the Ballot Box. Have you done that already? I did and I came

:44:18.:44:22.

on this programme to talk about it. When you do this job your brain is a

:44:23.:44:27.

sponge. No, not a sponge because it would retain, what is it a colander?

:44:28.:44:36.

Anyway, there it is, More Sex Lies and the Ballot Box? Who is the book

:44:37.:44:42.

for? For the nerds and I noticed the introduction, people who like swig

:44:43.:44:46.

op terse and exit polls but for people who think elections are

:44:47.:44:49.

boring and we want to show them they are not. Well you have come to the

:44:50.:44:54.

right place now I have given it a plug, do I get to keep it? You do.

:44:55.:44:57.

Corruption in action, live on air. Now, a festival of Labour

:44:58.:45:00.

culture is taking No, I don't mean the Labour

:45:01.:45:02.

Conference in Liverpool. I'm talking about the London

:45:03.:45:05.

Labour Film Festival. Movie-goers in London can

:45:06.:45:07.

munch their popcorn in front of one of 18 films the organisers have

:45:08.:45:10.

chosen for their cinematic Mark Lobel has been to see

:45:11.:45:12.

what's on the big screen. Last night the Labour Film Festival

:45:13.:45:20.

opened just around the corner from Jeremy Corbyn's house in north

:45:21.:45:31.

London. No champagne socialists here,

:45:32.:45:35.

I was assured it was Prosecco. So, what are the main ingredients

:45:36.:45:41.

for a festival of film One of the reasons why this cinema

:45:42.:45:43.

is quite important to us is because they pay

:45:44.:45:51.

the London living wage here. I have been looking out for this,

:45:52.:45:53.

because as a trade unionist I'm interested in films

:45:54.:45:56.

about working people and that's I think it's great to

:45:57.:45:58.

have a festival that showcases films, which actually

:45:59.:46:02.

challenge the status quo. Challenge the justice,

:46:03.:46:04.

give a platform to, you know, issues which otherwise are often

:46:05.:46:07.

ignored or marginalised. It is a fantastic and I think quite

:46:08.:46:10.

inspiring film festival. With so much online now,

:46:11.:46:15.

having a cinema where people can come and hopefully have respectful

:46:16.:46:24.

debates amongst themselves, face-to-face, it is quite a nice -

:46:25.:46:26.

it sounds old-fashioned doesn't But I think it is nice

:46:27.:46:30.

to have that forum, really. We are a global network

:46:31.:46:35.

of film festivals. We meet every year and share

:46:36.:46:37.

ideas for film festivals. There is a film festival

:46:38.:46:43.

in New York, San Francisco and also Kicking the festival off,

:46:44.:46:46.

a BAFTA award winning true story hones in on an emergency

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call centre operator. Now, listen, listen,

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and they are trying No, I need you to stay downstairs

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or you will put yourself We had a death in Camden last year,

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in the last 12 months, a really unfortunate incident

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where our target times to get to any So if you pick up the phone,

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there is a fire in your house, you should expect a fire engine

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to be there within six minutes. The fire engine took 13 minutes

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and that's because the nearest fire Are you here for the opera

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or the Labour film festival? I wanted to see the

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Michael Moore film. Better than live opera,

:47:37.:47:41.

tonight's main event, Michael Moore's European travelogue

:47:42.:47:47.

in search of social Student debt isn't just a problem

:47:48.:47:50.

in the US but over here, too, as award-winning director

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Ken Loach's new UK film I was literally struggling

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so much at university. I didn't know what was going on,

:48:17.:48:21.

like, if I was going to continue. But, sadly, none of these movie

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aficianados I spoke to had seen the Labour Leader's

:48:28.:48:31.

leading role online. Ah, well, there is always next

:48:32.:48:33.

year's festival, I suppose. And we've been joined

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by Anna Burton, director of the London Labour Film Festival,

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and by Peter Whittle, Anna, what would you regard or what

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are generally regarded as powerful British left-wing films? First off,

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the London Labour film festival is about work, workers and the struggle

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of working people. That is the theme. A lot of films I don't always

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divide them into left and right film, a lot of films can't be

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divided like that, the films we put are on about telling peep's stories.

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There are powerful British left-wing films aren't there? There are of

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course. Give me a couple 678 He me think some of the films we have put

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on, Made in Dagenham That was a reasonable commercial successful It

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was and we put that on at the festival before. There is Kes. The

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Full Monty Absolutely. And the one with the young boy who became the

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ballet dancer, Billy. Billy Elliot 6789 that was a left-wing film. It

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was. Again a commercial success. Absolutely. Pride which came out two

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years ago now, we screened that last year again, a great film about the

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LGBT community coming together to support the mining community.

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Fabulous film. Do, where does Britain stand, though, in this, in

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its ability to do these films with a political purpose, a left-wing

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agenda, are we really up there with the French or the Italians, or even

:50:29.:50:32.

the American independence sector? Don't they do more and maybe better?

:50:33.:50:39.

Or the Germans too? I think we have a very vibrant film industry in this

:50:40.:50:42.

country and I think there is a lot of, I think a lot of people that

:50:43.:50:47.

make films and produce films tend to be a lot of creatives tend to, if

:50:48.:50:52.

you like, have left-wing sensibilities, overall, and... I

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know overall, but this is a specialist one because there are a

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lot more films being made of the type you are showing that don't get

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much of a commercial release, or if they do they are not a huge success

:51:04.:51:09.

even though they maybe worthwhile films. Peter, you founded the new

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culture forum which is channelling the cultural orthodoxies in the

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widest sense, so are you challenging also the kind of the films we are

:51:22.:51:27.

talking about? Not at all. Fist of all I think the festivals are great.

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All festivals are good. Good luck, it is hard to fete one going, in

:51:32.:51:37.

fact if there were to be a right-wing or more a more diverse

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sort of Film Festival that wasn't left, took on many different

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subjects, then I would be very happy but it doesn't happen on the whole.

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It is difficult. Why? Think particularly two things, First of

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all it is about funding strangely enough. You know, most of the

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foundations you might go to, most of the public foundations and companies

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are politically correct in what they want to support. It doesn't matter

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what they are doing but their window shop is of porting broadly soft left

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thing, there is that, and working in television for years as well, is

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there is a kind of group think in the general cultural world, in

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Britain, which is broadly soft left. It is assumed you are... What are

:52:25.:52:29.

you trying to do about that? Basically with the new culture forum

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it is saying, look, you know, you don't have to be just pro climate

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change, pro multiculturalism, pro mass migration or whatever, to work

:52:40.:52:43.

in the arts or to work in the academic field. You don't, do you?

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It is an extraordinary pressure, on you, to basically go along with a

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certain agenda, otherwise you will search high and low for a film or a

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play or a novel or piece of art that for example challenges

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multiculturalism or challenges for example you know, the impact of mass

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migration, I would have thought they were dramatic issues. Is this sort

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of entertainment, a programme makeling, is it a left-wing

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monopoly? I don't think that is the case, I think culture in film and

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art are inclusive, really, I don't think, I don't think that there is

:53:28.:53:33.

kind of a left-wing monopoly on it by any mean, we are telling stories

:53:34.:53:39.

that are relevant... What films, supposing you got the funding to

:53:40.:53:44.

launch an equivalent to what Anna is doing, what would be the films to be

:53:45.:53:51.

shown at say Ukip Film Festival. It wouldn't necessarily be a Ukip one.

:53:52.:53:55.

A general Conservative one, I think probably for example, first of all

:53:56.:53:59.

there should be a hell of a lot more documentaries we saw Michael Moore

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there, he has probably become the most famous documentary maker in the

:54:04.:54:09.

world. There should be more documentaries looking at things like

:54:10.:54:12.

radical Islam. What I asked what would you show at the moment, what

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films would fit in to your cultural world view? British films? British

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films. That is very difficult to find that. Really? Yes. All the

:54:23.:54:28.

films you talked about earlier, they are all on the left. I suppose the

:54:29.:54:35.

nearest would be was The Iron lady. In the sense a lot of people said

:54:36.:54:41.

this is right-wing revisionism but it was pretty politically neutral.

:54:42.:54:45.

You know what you going to get when you go to a British film. Really?

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Are you going to this festival. Do you think he is right? The only

:54:53.:55:00.

example I I can think of there was a film called Brexit the movie and

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certainly other things around the referendum they were trying to get a

:55:04.:55:08.

music festival off ground and there was a sense of fear for certain

:55:09.:55:13.

mainstream businesses and people to get involved with those events

:55:14.:55:16.

because it seems that would in some way politicise them. In. So senses

:55:17.:55:20.

you don't get that from films and cultural events on the left. It

:55:21.:55:24.

seems more socially acceptable in some senses. We won't be at the Film

:55:25.:55:30.

Festival because we will be up in Liverpool, living the dream. I mean

:55:31.:55:35.

I think there is an example of Ukip culture, it is the programme, TV

:55:36.:55:40.

programme Nigel Farage says is his favourite, Dad's Army. That an

:55:41.:55:45.

example of the kind of thing the former head of Ukip would identify

:55:46.:55:50.

himself with. Is that not what you are looking towards? It is more

:55:51.:55:55.

serious than that. If you want to get new audiences in you need

:55:56.:56:00.

diversity of issues and that is one of the things the arts tend not to

:56:01.:56:06.

do. They tend to to follow public opinion, they ecreep out and might

:56:07.:56:10.

put something out which is a bit critical of something like Islam but

:56:11.:56:17.

on the whole it is cowardly. It is James Bond a left or right-wing

:56:18.:56:23.

franchise. Ian Fleming was right-wing, it has gone different...

:56:24.:56:31.

Bridget Jones, left or right, Monty Python? I don't know you can fit

:56:32.:56:34.

So, who's had a slice of the action this week,

:56:35.:56:40.

and who's been pushed out of the tent?

:56:41.:56:42.

Here's Ellie again, with all the political bun

:56:43.:56:44.

fights of the week, in just 60 seconds.

:56:45.:56:48.

Tim Farron started conference wanting to be

:56:49.:56:52.

leader settled for heaping praise on - Tony Blair,

:56:53.:56:59.

with his keynote speech appealing to Labour voters.

:57:00.:57:01.

Tuesday saw Theresa May give her first major address

:57:02.:57:07.

tht a post-Brexit Britain wouldn't shy away from its global

:57:08.:57:13.

Voting for the next Labour leader closed on Wednesday.

:57:14.:57:16.

We will find out who made the cut - Owen Smith or Jeremy Corbyn -

:57:17.:57:20.

tomorrow, ahead of the party conference in Liverpool.

:57:21.:57:21.

Boris Johnson gave diplomacy a go this week when he said

:57:22.:57:24.

there was strong evidence that Russia bombed a UN

:57:25.:57:26.

He was standing right outside a UN Security Council meeting.

:57:27.:57:35.

And Jeremy Corbyn waded in on the national mourning

:57:36.:57:37.

to follow The Great British Bake Off's move to Channel 4,

:57:38.:57:40.

by calling for the programme to be nationalised.

:57:41.:57:42.

There's just time before we go to find out the answer to our quiz.

:57:43.:58:00.

The question was who did former Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls say

:58:01.:58:03.

So, what is the correct answer? Well, I don't think the correct

:58:04.:58:24.

answer but the real answer is he has embarrass all of them. That is

:58:25.:58:30.

harsh! It is. Yvette Cooper would agree with that. It was his family,

:58:31.:58:35.

he said. He would embarrassment He succeeded. Sam maybe right. That is

:58:36.:58:38.

it for today. Thanks to Sam, Caroline

:58:39.:58:40.

and all my guests. I'll be back on Sunday at 11am

:58:41.:58:42.

with a special edition of the Sunday Politics,

:58:43.:58:45.

live from the Labour And the Daily Politics

:58:46.:58:47.

will be back on Monday, with more conference coverage

:58:48.:58:50.

from 11.00am, including live coverage of the Shadow

:58:51.:58:53.

Chancellor's speech - If there is nothing new,

:58:54.:58:54.

then the Court of Appeal aren't going to change

:58:55.:59:09.

their decision.

:59:10.:59:13.

Andrew Neil and guests discuss the progress of negotiations over Britain leaving the EU, whether the Labour party can unite after the leadership election and five things you didn't realise you need to know about elections.


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