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Morning folks - welcome to the Daily Politics.


The people have spoken but what kind of parliamentary scrutiny should


Should the right of EU citizens to continue to live in the UK


after we leave be a bargaining chip in Brexit negotiations or should


the British Government say that they are welcome


And they're back - after a three-week break -


Theresa May will face Jeremy Corbyn at PMQs.


And they are great at soaking up countless pints of lager


but could the trusty kebab also be a health food?


I wouldn't know! Certainly doesn't look it!


CHUCKLES All that in the next 90 minutes


of the very finest public And with me for the duration today


two pictures of health who I'm sure have never touched a kebab -


nor downed countless pints of lager - the Agriculture Minister,


George Eustice and - recently returned to


Jeremy Corbyn's front bench - the Shadow Work and Pensions


Minister, Jack Dromey. Welcome to you both. Morning.


Morning. Now - Labour has posed


170 Brexit questions - one for every day until Theresa


May's deadline for triggering Article 50 - that cover everything


from the economy to immigration, They've also tabled a Commons motion


- which will be the first set piece Commons debate on Brexit -


calling for proper Parliamentary Labour's motion calls for a "full


and transparent debate on the Government's plan for leaving


the EU" and "proper scrutiny" in Parliament before


Article 50 is triggered. The Government usually vote down


opposition motions like this. But instead they have tabled


an amendment adding that parliamentary scrutiny must "respect


the decision of the people" and not undermine the Government's


negotiating position. Was this designed to see off


a rebellion by Conservative MPs? One Labour source said last night


that the Government "didn't have the votes" to defeat


the opposition motion. The Government only has a slender


majority in the House of Commons, winning a majority of 12 at the last


General Election. In practice Theresa May has


a working majority of 16 - that's because the four Sinn Fein


MPs don't take up their seats. But 184 of her Conservative MPs


campaigned for Remain. And roughly three quarters


of all MPs were in favour of staying 475 declared for Remain


and 158 for Leave. Could some seek to defy


the will of the Government - and arguably the electorate -


by voting down legislation designed Thanks, Joker. George Eustice and


Jack Dromey are in the studio and we are joined by Conservative MP


Stephen Phillips in the Central Lobby, who campaigned for Brexit but


now calls for more Parliamentary scrutiny of the government's plans.


Ucog for a debate before Article 50 is triggered. What do you want MPs


to agree before the negotiations? -- you called. The government has a


clear mandate from the British people to take the United Kingdom


out of the European Union. What the government doesn't have is a mandate


to the particular form Brexit will take so it needs to come to this


place, which is actually where the sovereignty of this nation is


invested and discuss and debate with those who are here on behalf of


their constituents precisely what form they think Brexit should take.


There is no doubt Brexit will happen, that's what the Prime


Minister has said and what the majority of British people voted for


Gore albeit by a slim majority. But the question is, what form will


Brexit take? The government must come here and ask Parliament. So you


want Parliament to decide what form Brexit should take?


The government needs to lay a substantive motion before the House


of Commons saying these are the broad thrusts of what we are seeking


to achieve in the negotiations. We want, for example, to retain


membership of the single European market, we want to regain control


over our own borders which was something that was so important to


so many people. This is what we want to achieve. Do you as Parliament


agree that is the former Brexit which the country once and are we


moving in the right direction? How do you retain membership of the


Single Market and gain control over your own borders? Those two things


are completely contrary. I don't agree, we are the fifth largest


economy in the world, we speak English, we are in the middle of the


world in terms of time zones, we are one of the permanent members of the


Security Council. We know all of that. Can you name me one country


that is a member of the Single Market that has control over its


borders? I cannot, Andrew but we are saying we are in a position where we


are in a position where we can negotiate a bespoke deal for the


British people and that's the Government's position and what


Parliament needs to do is have some say in what that bespoke deal should


be about and that is all this is about at the moment, the sovereignty


of this institution. What would happen if Parliament voted against


triggering Article 50? I don't see how Parliament can vote against


triggering Article 50. Parliament is here to serve the will of the people


and the will of the British people is clear, majority of them wanted to


leave the European Union. What is not clear is what the British people


wanted in terms of the Brexit that the Government will negotiate and


that's why the government has to come here to the sovereign body and


ask parliamentarians on behalf of their constituents what form our


future relationship with the European Union should take.


Explained to me, the Government comes forward with the broad


outlines of its negotiating position and the Commons doesn't like them


and votes against them. What happens next? May be the Government must


think again and seek a mandate direct from the British people to


approve its position. They have a mandate called the referendum. The


referendum gives the Government mandate to take the United Kingdom


out of the European Union but does not give any mandate to decide what


those terms are without coming to Parliament. The campaign to leave


was clear on a number of things. You can agree or disagree on them but


the campaign was clear they wanted to leave because they didn't want


the European Court of Justice to apply anymore to us. They wanted


full control of our borders. They wanted freedom to make free trade


deals as an individual nation, not part of the EU Customs union. That


in itself sets the parameters for what the negotiating position will


be if the government is to live up to what the people voted for on June


the 23rd. You started that sentence with the campaign to leave wanted


these things. Not everybody was a campaign am a member of the campaign


to leave, I wasn't I didn't agree with a lot of what they said and I


thought the campaign itself was divisive, xenophobic and full of


untruths but there are many people in this country who voted for a


variety of reasons. They didn't necessarily vote for the reasons


that the official Leave campaign was advancing. What bit of the three


things I've just given you did the people vote Democratic to leave not


vote for? I will tell you what I voted for. I'm asking about the


people. They did not vote to get out of the European Court of Justice,


for our own free-trade deals and vote for the end of free movement of


people? I don't know. Unless you've been and asked the 17.2 million


people what their views were and why they voted as they did you don't


know the answer to that question. I do, the exit polling is quite clear


on this. A large number of people voted for the same reason I do, you


should be about to throw out of office the people who make the rules


by which you live your life, in other words about sovereignty.


That's why I voted as I did and I didn't vote to remove the tyranny of


the European Commission and restore the sovereignty of this place for


the government then to ignore that sovereignty and not come and ask


members of Parliament what they think about this. Stephen Phillips,


thank you for joining us. George Eustice, how many of your colleagues


feel the same way? Not many and I think Stephen is overreacting


because the truth is Parliament will debate this issue ad infinitum for


the next six months. We have two debates today, one on the European


medical agency, we have one on the effect of tourism, I'm facing Defra


questions tomorrow. But will it get a vote on the shape of our


negotiating position? Will it get to vote on the broad parameters of our


negotiating position? The point is there will be a role for Parliament


to have lots of debates. You have said that but my question was


specific. Will Parliament have a role in voting for the broad


parameters of the Government's negotiating position. We were when


we have the great repeal bill, a huge bill that will go through


Parliament and they will be endless debate on every single line of that


bill. That's not about our negotiating position, that is to get


us ready in British law for when we leave. It doesn't tell us anything


about our negotiating position. This is a huge negotiation and the truth


is you have to be clear about where the role for the executive lies and


I believe the executive needs to be free. We have a cabinet system of


government. So they will not get a vote? It is an executive privilege?


Trigger Article 50 and the negotiations that come there after


are an issue for the executive but there will be Parliamentary


scrutiny. I understand that but you've said they will not get a


vote. Will they get a vote to approve what the Brexit deal is?


They will because we have the great repeal Bill that brings these things


through. The great repeal Bill does not cover the terms of our


departure. It will not tell us what our relationship is with the Single


Market all with the European Court of Justice and it won't tell us what


the control of our borders is or isn't. That's not what the repeal


bill is about, that is what Brexit is about. Will they get a vote on


the deal if and when it is done? Parliament will decide what it wants


to debate and the terms of the motion to bring forward. Is it


government policy to give them a vote on that or not? We have a


debate taking place this afternoon. Debate, debate. They will be a vote


on that. Willie Bain executive to carry out this negotiation. What


people are missing is once we have left the union and re-established


control here people will be able to change things in future. They will


not be able to change the terms of our Brexit. They will because this


will not be set in stone. They will do a deal and then rip it up? If the


Labour Party decided they wanted a different approach to immigration in


future and have a more liberal approach and more freedom of


movement it would be for them to put that in the manifesto and put it to


the British people. That is control of your laws, that is the crucial


thing. Jack Dromey, these 170 questions, good luck, I've asked


about ten. And had no answers. 170. If the Government were to answer


them in any kind of detail we would be telling the European Union are


complete negotiating position. Why would you do that? There are some


key questions that require an answer. The people of Britain have


spoken and we have to respect their decision. I may regret that


personally, I may agree with Stephen that it was a disreputable and


dishonest Leave campaign but they have spoken. What we need is a


Brexit for working people and not a Brexit at breakneck speed driven by


the internal divisions within the Conservative Party that betrays the


British economy, British workers. My question was about your 170


questions. You expect the Government to answer 170 so why don't you


answer might one, which is if they answered all 170 they might as well


just pass all of the negotiating papers to the European Union? Let's


take two practical examples. First of all, it has to be an objective


that we must secure access to the Single Market. I've got the Jaguar


plant in my constituency, doubled in size in the last six years,


transform the lives of thousands of workers. There is deep concern in


the automotive sector about what happens next, and therefore in


global companies that make long-term decisions about investment they need


to be confident that we will be in the Single Market. I understand that


but the whole world has access to the Single Market. Even North Korea


has access. The question is on what terms. Do you think it is


Parliament's job to determine for government what these terms should


be? I think it's absolutely right that the people of Britain having


spoken that we hold the Government to account so that the British


national interest is then safeguarded in what will be


difficult negotiations. Of course. On the issue of access to the Single


Market it is key that we don't have tariffs erected in circumstances


where in excess of half of the cars that we produce in this country are


exported into the European Union. Let me give you another example.


Workers' rights. I do not believe the warm words from Conservative


ministers who say workers' rights are safe for the future and that too


we want clear beyond any doubt and it's right that Parliament calls the


government to account. Keir Starmer has done a great job on that. When


you have control of your own legislation on workers' rights you


can do what you like in future, you have not got to go cap in hand to


the EU, you can just put it in your manifesto. On that point, if I draw


upon my own history, I was the one who took the case of the Eastbourne


this meant to be European Court of Justice to get TUPE extended to


cover the public sector because your government, Mrs Thatcher's


government, denied coverage for ten years. In future you just need to


form a majority government and do it. Let me ask you this, Jack


Dromey. Izzard Labour's policy, or do we know what Labour's policy is,


to remain a member of the Single Market? -- is it Labour's policy. We


need the negotiation about the exact mechanisms. Is it a policy that we


should remain a member of the Single Market? We must remain a member of


the Single Market so that we have access to the Single Market because


that's in the best interests of British employers and workers. If we


are a member of the Single Market we are subject to the jurisdiction of


the European court command as the Tory MP who couldn't answer either,


every member of the Single Market is subject to freedom of movement and


the three movements. So essentially we are still a member of the


European Union. We'll leave the European Union, the


question is upon what terms. It has free movement. It has free movement.


It is a member of the single market and has free movement, and although


it has a separate court, the court it is subject, to its case study is


entirely determined by the ECJ. Let's take that very difficult issue


and it is a difficult issue. Two things collide. On the one hand the


need of the British economy, the automotive, care sector, National


Health Service. The revelations yesterday that the NHS in London


would be in crisis without migrant workers but we cannot ignore the


discontent being expressed by millions, let me finish, and


therefore, we have to ensure that no-one is left behind in future and


Kier was right when he said last Sunday - if you ensured in post


industrial communities no-one was left behind, you would reduce demand


for migrant Labour. Let me check S it the policy of Jeremy Corbyn and


John McDonnell, that Britain remains a member of the Single Market The


precise terms are to be negotiated. You are either a member or you are


not. The precise terms and the title you use are to be negotiated but we


must have tariff-free access to the Single Market or that will damage


the British economy. You could have that with a free trade agreement.


But you wouldn't be a member. Government have to come before


Parliament and ultimately a decision made that we can hold the Government


to account over, whereby our companies, like Jaguar Land Rover,


plan for the future, confident we will have access to the Single


Market, tariff-free. I'm still not sure if either the Government or the


opposition thinks we should remain a member of the Single Market. We will


try to find out. We are running out of time. It is the key distinctions,


if the Single Market is the beating heart, it would seem to some people


that we haven't left the EU Ultimately, I know Jaguar workers


what they will want to know - can they continue secure in their jobs


because their employer can export into the continent of Europe.


Now, what should happen to EU citizens currently living


Should they be able to stay or should that depend


on whether the rights of British citizens living in


It's a question that Theresa May was asked earlier this week.


The relationship will be different in future


because we won't be members of the Union


but I want the agreement that we come to, to reflect the kind of


mature, co-operative relationship that close friends and allies have.


As part of that, I expect to be able to guarantee the legal rights of EU


nationals already in the UK, so long as the British nationals


living in Europe in the countries who are Member States of the EU,


We're joined now by Tim Martin who runs the Wetherspoons pub chain


and campaigned to leave the EU but is now calling


for an unequivocal statement from Government guaranteeing


Welcome to the programme. Thank you. Why are you so keen to give up the


one key bargaining chip the UK has in these negotiations? Well, I don't


think that's the key bargaining chip. The key bargaining chip is


that we are a very big economy. We are the number one buyer of


champagne in the world. We are a huge buyer of German cars. So the


trading relationships are our major chip. But it is also a bargaining


chip. Even the UK's most senior UK diplomat and he is a man who knows,


he says "Withholding right for EU citizens to stay in the UK, it is


one of the few cards we have in the negotiations." Surely he is right on


that I do a lot of negotiating every week for 35 years, negotiating with


suppliers and other people. I wouldn't like to adopt that


approach. I think a better approach for us to adopt is to say the EU


citizens here now work very hard, they have done well, they have come


here for the best motives and they are good citizens as well as being


good workers. So they should be allowed to stay on that basis. We


think, as well, that British people abroad should also be allowed to


stay but if they are not, we are still going to allow the other ones


to stay because it is the right and moral thing to do George would


probably disagree. Let's hear what he has to say. Everything Tim Martin


has said, do you sign up to? Everything except the last bit as he


predicted. Theresa May, as far as she can be clear on what she


intends, she wants to guarantee rights here and fully expects to be


able to. It is important it is re-Ciproicated. It is a common sense


thinking, you have British citizens in other European countries, we want


to do the right things, but it should be returned. We have to


respect that the European Union gets in a hawkish position, careful about


this, and do these things method Klein carefully. Should she be


clearer and guarantee 1 #4u7d %, which David Davis was quoted as


saying, to EU nationals, that their right to remain will not be put at


threat at all? Well, I think she's got, if you look at what she said,


she fully expects to be able to, it is what she wants to. I think she's


keeping open the option to go through this negotiation. The


problem with that, a secondary school, very diverse in my


constituency on the Friday after the Thursday, there were several young


people, sixth formers, with European Union national backgrounds, who were


in tears. Will I, they were saying to the headmaster, be sent home? I


have had these questions time and time again that's y Tim, I think you


are right, the position - that's why, Tim, the position we should


take, it is almost a multicultural stance, let's be clear about this,


they will able it stay and we expect the rest of the European Union to


follow that example. That's pretty much what she said. I


wouldn't assume the UK would be a pushover. If they said we are going


to round up - and this is what it boils up to - we are going to round


up all the Brits living in the Dordogne. But it has been applied,


from Spain, that all the British retirees could be at threat. But


again, playing with people's lives as you say. Can we afford as a


country to say - well, whatever they do in the European Union, we won't


play that game? You are negotiating, I am negotiating this point. We all


know that there is no circumstances, under the sun, in which we are going


to get a truck and go around and pick up the fantastic Polish workers


and take them back, nor are the Spanish. That's the reality. I take


your point Theresa May is right to say this should happen but at the


end of the day, people are going to stay in both. In a way, why are you


surprised by this happening, why would you be surprised that EU


citizens could be used as a bore gaining chip. You campaigned for


leave, if you were so worried about the fate of some of your workers or


EU nationals in general, why did you campaign to leave when they talked


about doing this. Well, we are a dome crasscy. I campaigned - a


democracy, I campaigned saying I think we should make all our own


laws in this country but successful economies need immigration.


Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, America, and Britain. I don't like


the fact that unelected people in Europe are making decisions on our


approximate behalf. In the future we have to decide our own future. -- on


our behalf The people who are here now, I haven't got an issue with,


barring a couple. Well expectations have been raised, apart from your


personal opposition expectations have been raised which includes the


state of EU nationals, particularly those who have been here a year or


two. I have spoken a lot around the country. I have not met anyone who


said - they have got to go home. Who is campaigning. But there might be


some nutter somewhere. You acted in good faith. By the way I'm a proud


son of immigrants, my dad came from county cork to dig roads and my


mother trained as a nurse. Me too. What was disreputable about the


campaign, people like Boris Johnson, talking about unless we leave,


Turkey will come. We have had a rise in race crime. That's wrong, they


acted disreputably. In terms of being divisive. Amber Rudd's speech,


which was picked up and reported on and then the Home Office backtracked


on the idea of a register of foreign workers, wanting to see lists of the


number of their employees, who were EU nationals or from abroad. Was


that wrong to even raise that issue of a register? I think it was


overinterpreted and exaggerated. All that Amber Rudd was saying s if we


want to do, what we do want to do, which is to try to fill the skills


gaps more with people who live in the country, our own domestic


workforce, we need a better understanding of the particular


sectors and companies where they are heavily reliant on it. Why was there


a backtrack on it? Why is it not going to be published? She was just


saying, it was floated a as an idea, maybe in a consultation, that they


may ask companies to provide this information to help inform


Government thinking, nothing more of that. George raises the point of


British skills and British works gaps what steps are you making to


employ more British workers? We don't have to take any steps. I


surveyed 100 most recently opened pushing they were 95% born in the UK


it would be less in Rondon. British workers are great. They work very


hard. They are completely one-to-one with foreign workers. So we have


award-winning training schemes, etc. If we don't do, that we won't have a


good business. Are you worried about what might happen to immigrant


labour in your business if it is curtailed? I'm worried about the


future of the UK. I think we need a gradually rising population, as time


goes by, controlling our own borders but aproving numbers of immigrants


for jobs we need and they've been mentioned here. Tim Martin, thank


you. Now, word reaches us


here at The Daily Politics There's apparently been a rise


in sightings of creepy Yes, some people obviously think


it's funny to dress up in scary clown costumes in order to jump out


and terrify unsuspecting Don't worry, I'll speak to Michael


Portillo tomorrow night. It is shocking, however. And obviously an


unwelcome development for most people outside of SW 1.


But for those of us unfortunate enough to spend a lot


of time here in Westminster, clown sightings are nothing new.


In fact, I'm told that the area in and around the Palace


of Westminster apparently has the highest concentration of clowns


Who has done this research? Who would have thung it? I did on the


way in. Anyway, if you're a little creeped


out by all this clowning around, you probably need to fix yourself


a comforting beverage, ideally Yes, but we don't just give these


away to any old clown. You need to tell us


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Yes, Prime Minister's Yes. Tell us what is happening about


Brexit votes, Article 50, Single Market, in, out, shake it all about?


Here is an interesting thing. Without mentioning any clowns. I


think it is a month since the last Prime Minister's Questions, more or


less. Actually in that time, I think that we have seen MPs as they return


thinking - you know what, actually we need to really start having a


role. We need to start taking a proper look at what is going on. All


the signals outside - inside Government are a bit like juggling


with knives in the dark. Nobody knows what is going to happen.


Nobody knows how this process is going to work. Inside Government


there is not agreement oot all on the deal they can seek. There is not


a secret plan for Brexit locked up. There never was. If If only we could


find the combination. There is disagreement about the plan. You


have seen this week, Parliament get the bit between its teeth. I Let's


go to PMQs. Coalition government gifted to the


urgent care. Bergin imposed a system of double appointments forcing


patients to have unnecessary extra consultations before surgery


boosting their profits at the expense of the taxpayer and patient


safety. Is this acceptable and what is the Prime Minister prepared to do


about it? We want to see in the provision of local services the best


services possible for local people. The Honourable Lady talks about


outsourcing services in the NHS, and I have to say to her the party that


I put greater privatisation into the NHS was not this party but her


party. Question two, closed question, Mr Michael Fabricant. 12


months ago I went to see... LAUGHTER


Thank you Mr Speaker. The West Midlands economy is in a positive


position at the moment, I'm pleased to say that since 2010 nearly 2000


more people are at work and 42,000 new businesses and saw the strength


of the economy when I was in Birmingham last week. We are giving


the West Midlands new powers with the devolution deal and the election


of a mayor and with his business and local experience he would be a good


mayor for the West Midlands. On the subject of the NHS 18 months ago my


wonderful doctor go Helen Stokes Lampard suggested I have a general


well man checkup and it's just as well that I did because the blood


test revealed that there could have been and was a problem with my


prostate, despite the fact that I was symptom-free. I was immediately


referred to the Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Birmingham who were


simply wonderful, and after a period of surveillance I had a


prostatectomy in June, but hey, I'm now fine.


CHEERING But I want to thank the whole team


at the Queen Elizabeth including my surgeon Alan Doherty and my


excellent prostate nurse who gave me practical advice. In the next ten


years there will be a real shortage of specialist prostate and urology


nurse is, as many are due for retirement. So, may I ask the Prime


Minister, what can the Government do to avert a shortage of these


much-needed nurses? Can I say to my honourable friend


that the whole house is pleased to see him back in his position as his


normal exuberant self in this House. He raises a very serious issue. Can


I join him in commending not only those doctors and nurses and other


health service staff who treated him for his prostate cancer, but those


doctors and nurses who are at bay in and day out ensuring that as we see


actually we are having cancer survival rates at a record high. The


Government is putting more money into awareness of cancer problems


and we will look at the training of nurses. There are 50,000 nurses in


training and we will continue to make sure that the special incidents


are available to do the work necessary in the health service. --


specialisms. Jeremy Corbyn. I I hope the Right Honourable member


got the same treatment as everybody gets because we want the same


treatment for everybody in our society. Is not controversial, I'm


just wishing you well. Is that OK? Sorry to start on such a


controversial note, Mr Speaker. I do apologise. At the Conservative Party


conference the Prime Minister said she wants Britain to be a country


where it doesn't matter where you were born. But the Home Secretary


Flagship announcement was to name and shame companies that employ


foreign workers. Could the Prime Minister explain why where someone


was born clearly does matter to members of her Cabinet?


First of all, can I say to the Right Honourable gentleman,


congratulations on winning the Labour leadership election.


And can I welcome him back to his place in this house as his normal


self. Can I say to him that the policy he has just described was


never the policy that the Home Secretary announced. There was no


naming and shaming, no published list of foreign workers, no


published data. What we are going to consult on is whether we should


bring ourselves in line with countries like the United States of


America, which collect data in order to be able to ensure they are


getting the right skills training for workers in their economy. Mr


Corbyn. Mr Speaker, I most grateful to the over 3000 people -- 300,000


people who voted for me to become the leader of my party.


Which, Mr Speaker, is rather more than voted for her to become the


leader of her party. She seems to be... She seems to be slightly


unaware of what's going on. First, the Home Secretary. First, Mr


Speaker, the Home Secretary briefed that companies will be named and


shamed, the Education Secretary clarified that they too would only


be kept by government, and yesterday No 10 said it was in consultation


and the Home Secretary clarified the whole matter by saying it's one of


the tools we are going to use forced of this government has no answers,


Mr Speaker, just gimmicks and scapegoats. Yesterday we learned


that pregnant women will be forced to hand over their passports at NHS


hospitals, no ultrasound without photographic ID, heavily pregnant


women sent home on icy roads to get a passport. Are these really the


actions of a country where it doesn't matter where you were born?


Well, I've made absolutely clear about the policy the Home Secretary


set out. I would say to the Right Honourable gentleman, he raises


issues around the health service. I think it is right that we should say


that we ensure that when providing health services to people that they


are free at the point of delivery, that they are eligible to have those


services. But where there are people in this country who come to this


country to use our health service and who should be paying for it,


that the health service identifies those people and makes sure that it


gets the money from them. I would have thought that would be an


uncontroversial view. Of course, emergency care will be provided when


necessary absolutely without those questions. But what is important is


that we ensure that where people should be paying because they don't


have the right to access to free care in the health service, they do.


Jeremy Corbyn. Some of her colleagues on the smack leave aside


promised us ?350 million extra a week for the NHS. -- the leave


aside. She doesn't seem to have answers to the big questions facing


Great Britain. On Monday the secretary for Brexit when questioned


about the approach to the Single Market access replied, we need hard


data about the size of the problem in terms of both money and jobs.


They would have been much easier if he had simply asked his colleague,


the Chancellor of the Exchequer, because he would have been able to


tell him that the Treasury forecast is a 66 billion loss to the economy,


7.5% of the GDP. Can the Prime Minister now confirmed that access


to the Single Market is a red line for the government, or is it not?


Well, the Right Honourable gentleman has asked me this question before.


Yes! He says it is a simple question and I will give him the simple


answer. What we are going to do is deliver on the vote of the British


people to leave the European Union. What we are going to do is be


ambitious in our negotiations to negotiate the best deal for the


British people and that will include the maximum possible access to the


European market for firms to trade with and operate within the European


market. But I'm also clear that the vote of the British people said that


we should control the movement of people from the EU into the UK and


unlike the Right Honourable gentleman we believe we should


deliver on what the British people want. Jeremy Corbyn. Someone once


said that leaving the Single Market would risk a loss of investors in


business and risk going backwards when it comes to international


trade. That person is now the Prime Minister and that was before the


referendum. The Japanese government, Mr Speaker, the Japanese government,


Mr Speaker, wrote to her in September worried about a shambolic


Brexit. Many Japanese countries are major investors in Britain such as


Nissan in Sunderland, which has already halted its investment.


140,000 people in Britain work for Japanese owned companies. They've


made it clear that those jobs and investment depend on Single Market


access. What reassurance can she give to workers today desperately


worried about their future, their company, and their jobs?


For store I would say to the Right Honourable gentleman, that the


biggest vote of confidence that we had in Britain after referendum


campaign was ?24 billion investment from the Japanese company taking


over ARM but secondly in our negotiations what we are doing is he


doesn't seem to get what the future is going to be about. The UK will be


leaving the European Union. We're not asking ourselves what bits of


membership we want to retain. We are saying, what is the right


relationship for the UK to have for the maximum benefit of our economy


and citizens this country. The member for Broxtowe said there is a


danger that this government appeared to be turning their back on the


Single Market, which was indeed a commitment in a Conservative Party


manifesto. The reality is that since the Brexit vote the trade deficit is


widening, growth forecasts being downgraded, the value of the pound


down 16%, an alliance of the Chamber of Commerce, Confederation of


British industry, British Retail Consortium and Trades Union Congress


have all made representations to the Prime Minister demanding clarity. Is


the Prime Minister really willing to risk a shambolic Tory Brexit just to


appease the people behind her? What the Conservative Party


committed to in its manifesto was to give the British people a referendum


on whether to stay in the European Union. We gave the British people


that vote. They have given their decision. We will be leaving the


European Union and in doing that we will negotiate the right deal for


the UK, which means the right deal in terms of operating within and


trading with the European market. That's what matters to companies in


the UK and that's what we are going to be a vicious about delivering.


Jeremy Corbyn. The Right Honourable member for Rushcliffe almost always


has a mot juste to help us in these cases and he said... I want to hear


about the Right Honourable member for Rushcliffe. What he said was, in


his own inimitable way, the reason the pound keeps zooming south is


that absolutely nobody has the faintest idea what exactly we are


going to put in place. We on these benches do respect the decision of


the British people to leave the European Union.


LAUGHTER But this is a government that drew


up no plans for Brexit, that now has no strategy for negotiating Brexit


and offers no clarity, no transparency, and no chance of


scrutiny of the process for developing a strategy. The jobs and


incomes of millions of our people at stake, the pound is plummeting,


business is worrying and the Government has no answers. The Prime


Minister says she won't give a running commentary, but isn't it


time the Government stopped running away from the looming threat to jobs


and businesses in this country and the living standards of millions of


people? Unlike the Right Honourable


gentleman I'm optimistic about the prospects of this country once we


leave the European Union. I'm optimistic about the trade deals


that other countries now actively are coming to us to say they want to


do with the United Kingdom. And I'm optimistic about what power we will


be able to ensure that our economy grows outside of the European Union.


But I have to say to the Right Honourable gentleman on this issue,


Labour didn't want a referendum on this issue, the Conservatives gave


them a referendum, Labour didn't like the result. We are listening to


the British people and delivering on that result. Now the Shadow Foreign


Secretary is shouting from a sedentary position... The Shadow


Foreign Secretary wants a second vote. I have to say to her, I would


have thought that Labour MPs would have learned this lesson. You can


ask the same question again, you still get the answer you don't want.


CHEERING Thank you, Mr Speaker.


Despite several rounds of European regional development funding the


Cornish economy continues to lag around 30% below the UK average.


Does the Prime Minister agree with me that Brexit provides us with the


opportunity to develop our own economic programme that will be less


bureaucratic, more effectively targeted and offered better value


for money for the taxpayer? And will she confirmed that her government


will continue to invest in the poorer regions of our country such


as Cornwall once we leave? I thank my honourable friend and I


can give them that assurance. What I was saying at our party conference


and what I have been saying since I became Prime Minister, is we want an


economy that works for everyone, that means every part of our


country, including areas like Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly.


We've already negotiated a devolution deal with Cornwall,


signed in 2015, that will demonstrate that we recognise the


challenges Cornwall faces but we're open for further discussions for


Cornwall in the way we can improve their economy for the future. THE


SPEAKER: Angus Robertson. The European Commission against


racism and intolerance has found that a number of areas of concern


over political discourse and hate speech in the UK, as well as


violent, racial and religious attacks. Police statistics have


shown a sharp rise in Islam phobic, anti-Semitic and zenophobic assaults


over the past year. So, does the Prime Minister agree that all


mainstream governments and all mainstream political parties should


do everything that they can to oppose xenophobia and racism?


Hear, hearment. - Hear, hear. I have been clear from the despatch box on


a number of occasions, there is no place in our society for racism or


hate crime. It is right that the police are investigating allegations


of hate crime where they occur. I'm pleased to say as Home Secretary, I


was able to improve the recording of hate crime, bringing the


arrangements to improve that recording. We made also improving


the requirement on police to specifically record hate crime in


relation to faith, so that we see the anti-Islamphobia that has been


taking place as well as anti-Semitism and other types of


hate crime. There is no place for that in our society. We should, with


one voice, from across this chamber, make that absolutely clear and give


our police every support in dealing with.


THE SPEAKER: Angus Robertson Can I remind the Prime Minister when she


was Home Secretary, she put advertising vans on the streets


telling foreigners to go home and at her party conference, we heard her


party is wishing to register foreigners working in the UK. The


crackdown and the rhetoric against foreigners by this Government has


even led to Ukip, Ukip, saying that things have got too far.


Can I tell the Prime Minister that across the length and breadth of


this land, people are totally disgusted by the zenophobic language


on display from her Government. So, will she now confirm to this House,


will she confirm that the intention of her Government is still to go


ahead with the registration of foreign workers, but apparently we


shouldn't worry because it'll be kept secret by her Government?


Can I say very gently to the right honourable gentleman, that I


answered two questions on that earlier. And I suggest he should


have listened to the answer I gave there.


THE SPEAKER: Your moment has arrived. We have empowered local


doctors to take leadership over important reconfiguration proposals


N Shropshire, 300 doctors, surgeons and clinicians have been working on


a vatal reconfiguration of vital A services in Shropshire and waechls


when they make their decision later this month, it is very important for


Government to back them and provide the capital funding required for


this vital change to enhance patient safety.


I thank the honourable gentleman. He is raising an important point. The


configuration of services in his condition constituencicy and for


others across this House is a significant issue. A provision I'm


pleased to say we are actually seeing more people being treated in


A today. We will, of course, look at the proposals that could. The


point about the way this is being done, it is for local people to be


able to have their voice heard and for decisions to be taken that


preflect the needs in a particular local area. We all want to see A


services, they are a vital service and I would like to pay tribute to


all those who work in A hospitals across the country. THE SPEAKER: Meg


Hillier. Mr Speaker, the Public Accounts Committee and controller


and auditor general have both warned the NHS budget is not sustainable.


When is her Government going to wake up to the reality of growing demand


and avoid the political rhetoric and set a stonable NHS budget for this


year and for the future? The Government took a very simple


approach to this. We asked the NHS themselves to propose their


five-year plan for the NHS. We asked them how much money they required.


They said ?8 billion. We are giving them ?10 billion. More than the NHS


said. Funding in the NHS is at record levels.


The only place where fund money for the NHS is being cut is under a


Labour administration in Wales. A young man with Asperger's syndrome


awaits extradition to the United States facing charges of computer


hacking and is then likely to kill himself. It sounds FA he is not of


course, Gary McKinnon, who was saved by the Prime Minister but Larry Love


who faces in effect a death sentence. So when the Prime Minister


introduced a law to protect individuals, surely it would be for


all. The honourable gentleman campaigned long and hard for Gary


McKinnon. I took that decision, it was for the Home Secretary to decide


whether there was a human rights' case for an individual not to be


extradited. We subsequently changed the legal position on that. This is


now a matter for the courts. There are accept parameters that the


courts look at in terms of the extradition decision which is then


passed to the Home Secretary but it is for the courts to derment human


rights aspect of any case that comes forward much it was right, I think,


to introduce the forum to make sure there was that challenge for cases


here in the United Kingdom as to whether they should be held here.


But the legal process is very clear and the Home Secretary is part of


that legal process. THE SPEAKER: Vernon Coaker. What does the Prime


Minister say to British Steel workers who have lost their jobs, or


whose jobs are threatened, given the news that French steel is to be used


for the new replacement Trident submarines? Is that what she means


by being a party of the workers? Well, I have to say that the right


honourable gentleman that we recognise the concerns of British


Steel workers. That is why the Government has been, under my


predecessor and is continuing, to work to ensure we can do what we can


to promote and encourage and retain a steel industry here in the United


Kingdom. A number of measures have been taken. If he was in the chamber


earlier he will have heard my honourable friend setting those out


in Scottish Questions. THE SPEAKER: Mr Philip Hollobone


Doctors and nurses in Kettering hospital are treating a number of


patients with increasingly world class treatments. But despite being


located in an area of rising population and housing growth, due


to an historic anomaly, the local commissioning groups are among those


underfunded in the entire country. What can my right honourable friend


the Prime Minister do to address the situation. As my right honourable


friend says, we want it make sure that patients are experiencings the


same levels of high-quality care regardless of where they live and


work. That's why the funding for my honourable friend's local


commissioning group is being corrected this year to more


accurately reflect the level of need in local health need and it is an


investment of over ?157 million going into his area. I think that


shows the intention the Government has to ensure that we see that


health service that is working for everyone across the country but of


course we can only do that with the economy to back up that NHS.


THE Speak Dr Alasdair McConnell. The Prime Minister will be aware that a


soft border between the republic and Northern Ireland is vital in


boosting the economy of Northern Ireland. Does the Prime Minister


understand the confusion set in that many of us feel, that going forward,


on the one hand the Government has defined the intention to tightly


control free movement and labour but on the other hand, ensuring us the


border between the Northern Ireland and Republic will be hope. Does the


Prime Minister see the contradiction for many of those who are directly


affected and whose jobs are affected in that? Well, I have been clear,


the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland has been clear, the


Taoiseach has also said that on both sides of the border we don't want to


see a return to the borders of the past. I think it is worth reminding


the House that actually the common travel area has been in place since


the 1920s, so it was there well before we were both members of the


European Union. We are working together with the Government of the


Republic and, obviously I have had discussions on this with the First


Minister and Deputy First Minister in Northern Ireland. We want to


ensure, as I say, that we don't see a return to the borders of the past.


Thank you, Mr Speaker, thanks to the Government' growth field a 32


million transformation of a mill in my constituency getsnd way this


week, giving a new lease of life to the largest redundant mill complex


in loan ka shimplt can I thank the Prime Minister and commend the other


bids in the late e round of the growth deal, as a great way to Mr A


country that works for everyone. Can I commend my honourable friend on


taking his opportunity in supporting the bids put from Pendle. He is


right, the money that has been put in, has enabled this growth, like


the mill, to be unlocked, as a local project. We've seen ?250 million


committed to the Lancashire local enterprise partnership and ?2.8


billion from the northern powerhouse through the growth fund and the


latest round of funding is up to ?1.8 billion with good bids coming N


we are assessing the bids, including those with Pendle and we'll be


looked at with the seriousness that my honourable friend would expect.


THE SPEAKER: This is the first Christmas that a lady will not see


her husband, they have been together for ten years and married for four


with two young children. It is evidence they are in a long term


relationship but Hayley's Turkish hospital was refused a spouse visa


because she o earns less than the Home Office target. This, I might


say, compares with the Prime Minister's own constituency, where


the medium salary was ?571. Almost ?30,000 a year.


Can I Prime Minister explain why living in my constituency means they


have a less chance of a proper family life and will she please


help? I will not comment on the individual case. I know she has sent


details in writing to me. I will make sure she gets a full rely from


the Immigration Minister in relation to the specific case. The broader


issue she raises about the income threshold for those wishing to join


a partner in the UK. What the Government did, we asked an


independent committee, the migration advisory committee to advise on the


level that that income throws hold should be at. The migration advisory


committee suggested a range of figures. We actually took the lowest


figure in that range in taking ?18,600. They recommended that


because it is the level at which a British family generally seeses to


to be able to get benefits and we believe that people coming here are


able to support themselves. ! My constituents were delighted to


learn this week Gainsborough House a unique museum and art gallery based


in the building where Gainsborough was born is to received money to


become an attraction. Will my right honourable friend join me in


congratulating the team in their success and does she agree with me n


Suffolk, if we are bold and go for devolution, we can look forward to


more of this investment in the years to come. Can I join my honourable


friend in commending all those involved in the bid at gains are you


House and the future that many people will enjoy fising it in the


future as a result of the work that is going to be able to be done. I


know the importance of the her stooge lottery fund. It supported a


gallery in my own constituency. He is right, the point about the


devolution deals is people coming together with that ambition for


their local area, they can generate that transformative investment that


he is now talking about and, of course, Suffolk is looking at the


sort of deal that they might wish to have locally.


THE SPEAKER: Ben Bradshaw. With Russian and Assad regime war planes


bombing civilians in Aleppo at an unpress departmented rate, will she


join France in calling for those responsible for these war crimes to


be referred to the International Criminal Court? And will she


reexamine, with Allies, the feasibility of a no-fly zone to


protect the Syrian people, before it is too late?


Hear, hear. Well, we are very clear that it is for the courts to decide


where a war crime has been committed. It was May 2015 when we


cosponsored a UN security resolution to refer those responsibility for


war crimes and crimes of humanity in Syria regardless of affiliation to


the national human tear court it was investigate yoked by Russia and


China. On the issue of a no-fly zone, this has been addressed and


people have looked at it for a number of years. The scenes we see


of the indiscriminate slaughter of innocent civilians are appalling. We


want to see an end to that. But there are many questions about a


no-fly zone. Actually who is it there to protect? Would it lead to


Assad bombing people in the expectation they would then move to


that zone? How would you actually enforce a safe area there? Who would


do that enforcement? There are many questions that need to be looked at


in those sorts of issues. What we all know is that the only real


solution for peace and stability in Syria, is a political transition,


and it's time Russia accepted that, that the future of Syria is a


political transition, to a stable Syria, free of Assad.


THE SPEAKER: Fiona Bruce At a high school in my constituency, the most


vulnerable pupils and their families are impressively supportive,


pursuant to the school's moat yo of - achievement for all. Will the


Prime Minister confirm that under her plans for education and in a


country which works for everyone, that parents can be assured that


there will be the right school place for their child, whatever their


ability? Well, I thank my honourable friend


and for the example that she has shown of the work taking place in


her constituency. The whole aim of the Government's education policy is


to increase the number of good school place so, parents can have


the confidence that their child will have a good school place, and they


will have the school place that is right for them.


That's why we want to see universities more involved in


schools, we want to see more faith schools being opened up, we want it


seat independent sector helping the state sector where that is sensible


and their expertise can help and yes, we do want to lift the ban,


which currently say that is one type of good new school cannot be opened,


it is I will Lille to open a new good school is that a selective


school, we want to remove that ban so people of all opportunities get


that opportunity. - it is illegal to open a new good school.


The Prime Minister appears to have made a choice, and that choice is to


side with the protectionist and nationalists who have taken over her


party, as surely - as surely as momentum has taken over the Labour


Party. She has chosen a hard Brexit that was never on anybody's ballot


paper and she has chosen to turn her back on British business in the


process. As a result - as a result, petrol prices and food retailers


have warned of huge price rises. Shouting and jeering


On supermarket shelves in the coming days. So when will she put the


interests of hard-working British people ahead of extremist


protectionism that absolutely nobody voted for.


Hear, hear. The right honourable gentleman asks about who we are


siding with. I will tell him who? We are siding with the British people


who voted to leave the European Union. And it's high time the right


honourable gentleman listened to the votes of the British people and


accepted that that is what we are going to do.


THE SPEAKER: Victoria Prentis Does the Prime Minister share my sadness


that the majority of Banbury's babies cannot currently be


delivered, as I was, in the Horton General Hospital and will she join


with me in putting any influence and any pressure we can on the Trust to


encourage them to recruit obstetricians we need to re-open our


much-valued unit? Yes, I can say that I believe every


effort is being made to fill the vacant obstetrics post test Horton


General Hospital. I understand those mothers who are having a midwife-led


delivery are still able it go to the Horton General Hospital but for


others they have to go to the John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxford.


Maternity services are important to people and I believe the trust is


looking to ensure it is can fill the posts. What matters is a safe


maternity service for mother and baby. THE SPEAKER: Angle eagle.


I think many people across the House will be reassured that the


Government accepted the amendment to the Opposition motion being debated


later this afternoon, which guarantees that this House is able,


properly, to scrutinise the plans for leaving the European Union


before Article 50 is invoked. Can she tell us, will that scrutiny


involve a vote? I have to say to the Right


Honourable lady, that the idea that Parliament somehow wasn't going to


be able to discuss, debate, question issues around...


LAUGHTER ... Was, frankly, completely wrong.


Let me give her some examples. First of all the Secretary of State for


Existing the European Union has already made two statements in this


House and four hours of questions followed from those. A new Select


Committee has been set up, which crucially includes representatives


from all parts of the United Kingdom, which will be looking at


the issues and only, just over a week ago, I announced thereby a


Great Repeal Bill in the next session of Parliament to repeal the


act. So the Parliament will have every opportunity to debate this


issue. THE SPEAKER: Will Quince. Thank you


Mr Speaker, every year in the UK, 3,500 babies are still born, I


commend the Government for setting the target for a 20% reduction by


the end of this Parliament and a 50% reduction by 2030 but in in this


babely loss awareness week, will the Prime Minister agree with me, we


must provide the best-quality bereavement care for those parents


who sadly lose a baby. I said to my honourable friend, he is right in


this. I'm pleased to say the Health Secretary will be attending the Boo


I why I Loss Awareness Week reception which will be held in


Parliament today and I would encourage other members to attend as


well. My honourable friend is right, the loss of a baby must be


absolutely devastating and I am aware that there are people sitting


in this chamber who have been through that tragedy in their lives.


What what is absolutely essential is the best-possible bereavement care


can be given to parents at that very, very, vulnerable and tragic


moment in their lives, which is why we have been putting money - we


introduced dedicated bereavement rooms at 40 hospitals and we are


investing more in improving birthing facilities as well, because it is an


important part but that care and counsel for people who have lost a


baby is essential and I think we all accept that.


Thank you, Mr Speaker. On the 2nd July, the Home Office were giving


details of 178 children who are still stuck in the Calais refugee


camps but had a legal right to be here in the UK with their families


who could keep them safe and protected. Given the delays in


acting, what responsibility does the Prime Minister think this Government


has to the 18 of those children who have now gone missing?


I would say to the honourable lady, far from not acting, actually the


Government has been working with the French Government in relation to


those who are in the camps. We have put extra resource into speeding up


the process of dealing with the claims that are there, for


unaccompanied children in the camps, and we have seen that process


faster, it is quirk and more children coming as a result of that.


This is alongside all the other work we are doing, in relation to


refugees and to unaccompanied minors. Of course, crucially as


well, working to ensure that we deal with the traffickers and the


smugglers, who are often in those camps and who we need to make sure


don't have access to children for the future. But we've speeded up the


process and more children are coming here as a result of that.


Thank you, Mr Speaker, tomorrow is Sendingry Breast Cancer day. I would


like to ask the Prime Minister to join with me in wishing these men


and women well but only one-third of NHS Trusts currently select the data


in this Y would she agree with me that better data collection can


inform diagnosis, treatment and the use of NHS resources across the


piece and give better outcomes for all patients? Hear, hear. I entirely


accept the point my honourable friend makes, that better


information actually gives you a greater opportunity to be able to


across these issues but can I also join with her in commending and


wishing well all those, as she says, both men and women, who have


suffered from breast cancer and who are - who have come through that, as


I know she has herself. There are others in this House in that


position but so many people across the country, and it is important


that they do get the right care to ensure that they can come through


that and see a bright future. Thank you, Mr speaker, last night n


this House, a huge number of MPs presented petitions from towns right


up and down this country. So will the Prime Minister now commit to


overturning those mistaken 2011 arrangements and provide justice and


transitional arrangements for Waspie women. The honourable lady should


know. We made changes. We committed ?11 million for those affected. 81%


of women will see increases. There will be no more than 12 months


compared to the previous timetable. The DWP after the changes in 201 #1,


informed people to the change in the state pension age and as we look


forward, women will gain from the new pension arrangements being put


in place. It has been a long-standing issue about women's


pensions and women will see better pension arrangement in the future


because of the changes that the Government has brought in.


Mr Speaker, I gather the Prime Minister gave Chancellor Merkel a


gift of wane write's coast-to-coast book outlining a fabulous walk


throughout my constituency. Is the Prime Minister awhich are that it is


not in fact an official national you trail and would she meet me with me


to for my campaign to give this national treasure, national status.


As my honourable friend knows, I enjoy walking and there are


fantastic walks across the UK I have not done the coast-to-coast yet


myself. Maybe - there isn't much time at the moment, but I have to


say to him that I think he probably knows that the decision about the


designation of the coast-to-coast is one more appropriately put to


Natural England I'm sure he will be doing all he can to lobby natural


England on this point. Mr Corbyn returned. There was a


spring in his step, not as convincing as when he last crossed


swords with Mrs May when he chose Grammar schools as the issue. The


consensus was that he clearly won that exchange but he didn't let


himself down today at all. Sometimes Mrs May was struggling to get her


answers in. It was inevitably about Brexit, about how the negotiating


position of this country, about the role of MPs, whether they should be


a vote, if they shouldn't be a vote, I'm not sure we learned anything in


the end but it was about that. We learned one thing that had nothing


to do with Brexit, when asked about a no-fly zones in Syria, to try to


protect the people currently being massacred, if it is not too strong a


word, in the latter area at the moment, it was clear Mrs May wasn't


a big supporter of a no-fly zone. She thought there were too many


difficulties and I think that's the consensus of many people, largely


because the Russians are so active in the skies as well there is a


reluctance to do that. We may talk about that and the exchange between


the two frontbenchers. John in Leeds said after watching


PMQs I feel we have a Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition who


have very few answers. Confusing policies and I can only surmise it's


the blind being challenged by the blind.


Tamina Roger says, at last, Jeremy Corbyn shows his true colours


regarding Brexit. A great pity he didn't raise his voice before the


referendum or was he keeping his powder dry?


Marjorie says I'm even more convinced we need a General


Election. Not sure that will happen. Although I'm not a supporter of


Jeremy Corbyn he is doing a stellar job of being an effective opposition


leader today. If he keeps this up he will have my vote.


Denis Evans says when will the Remainers stop whingeing and allow


the government of the day to to get on with the process of exiting the


European Union and carrying out the wishes of the Brexit masses?


There is lots of shadow boxing going on, I would suggest, at the moment.


The Government is being asked a lot of questions by Labour politicians,


by people like us in the media, that it's either not prepared to answer


or doesn't know the answer to yet, and that this is going to go on for


a while. When you turn these questions on Labour, we are in the


same position. Indeed, they don't necessarily have the answers either.


Although it is more important that the Government has the answers, the


clue is in the name. Indeed but there are all sorts of reasons for


that. First of all there isn't a common position in the Cabinet and


Theresa May is the kind of politician who genuinely wants to


look at, perhaps some people might suggest, too much of the fine detail


before making her own conclusions. There are other reasons for that


too, not least because with a two-year period of negotiation so


much of that will change over that period of time, not least the cast


of characters. Don't forget it might seem a tangent but it's critically


important the French and German elections during that time period


will mean the most powerful people on the other side of the table may


not be the people who are currently in post. Matteo Renzi in Italy could


no longer be in post. If you have been to European summits or followed


these things for some time, the crunch comes almost at the last


minute. Of course everybody in Westminster now is desperately


trying to get to the detail and desperately trying to understand


what the Government is hoping to achieve and that is why we see


Parliament trying to get there or in. The MPs are determined cross


parties with this interesting coalition between Labour, Lib Dems


and SNP coming together to put the Government on big... To get more out


of Theresa May on this. But what we hear now is a phoney war. Whatever


we hear from the Government about what they are trying to achieve, so


much may change between now and the crunch last few months of the


renegotiation. It doesn't make it pointless, far from that, it is of


course relevant to try and figure out what they are trying to do but


it is such a shifting picture. Isn't the danger for the Government that


if you leave a vacuum somebody else fills it and it's being filled by


Labour, it's being filled by some rebellious backbenchers, it will be


filled by the media, it will be filled in the end by the Commons and


maybe even by the Lords. That's the risk the Government faces. I was


press secretary for four years and I know everybody wants immediate


answers but the Government is right to say we can give a running


commentary on this. I know that you as journalists don't like that term.


This is a huge decision, the biggest decision this country has taken for


half a century and we have got to get it right. I am a minister in


Defra and we are doing a huge amount of a trade patterns, opportunities,


risks, massive amounts of analysis are being done by the civil service


but we're not ready to take final trade patterns, opportunities,


risks, massive amounts of analysis are being done by the civil service


but we're not ready to take final decisions yes. We are doing lots of


work and closer to it we will have green papers and white paper


discussions of this sort. There will obviously be the Great Repeal Bill,


there will have to be a lead up to that anyway that's an opportunity.


Negotiating position. Will the Government published a white paper


giving the broad outline of its negotiating strategy? That is quite


possible, yes. We are doing lots of work and closer to it we will have


green papers and white paper discussions of this sort. There will


obviously be the Great Repeal Bill, there will have to be a lead up to


that anyway that's an the Great Repeal Bill has a problem, it looks


neither to be Grix nor a repeal. That's EU law will cease into


British law. Interestingly George said there will be a green paper and


a white paper. This week we reported on. It writes it into British law.


Interestingly George said there will be a green paper and a white paper.


This week we reported on that in told in various parts of had been


told in various parts of, several sources have told me would be a


green had been told there would be a that has now been junked. No 10,


number as something planned early in the summer that has now been junked.


No 10, number, to use the terrible new name of we should, we to David


Davis said there is no plan for a Green Tambe. David Davis said there


is no plan for a green paper there is no there is no plan for that


clearly there are areas clearly there what would you like the


government to do? We're not asking what bits we want... What would you


like the government to do? We're not asking what bits to remain. That


cannot the debate we had, the crucial issue about the Single


Market, tariff free trade, we have to be clear that, the crucial issue


about the Single Market, tariff free trade, we have to be clear that


something we achieve. 30 countries have tariff free trade with the EU


that are not members to achieve. 30 countries have tariff free trade


with the EU that are Prime Minister from Monday of this week. Monday of


this week there will not be a vote, now there is going to the vote.


You've moved it is yet further that there might be a green Lemmy finish.


What we just heard today was a handbrake turn by the Prime Minister


from Monday of this week. Monday of this week there will not be a vote,


now there is going to be a vote. You've moved it is yet further that


there might be a or a white paper. Precisely what we need to do. The


Government, not on every single aspect negotiation, but on


objectives needs to be clear about what objectives needs to be clear


about what national interest so there can be a process of debate,


consultation, and that Parliament can't of the referendum. We have to


respect the verdict of the referendum so the Parliament on


behalf of the people can be sure that we don't have hard Brexit that


damages Britain determined to achieve in the British national


interest so there can be a process of debate, consultation, and that


Parliament can't overturn the verdict of the referendum. We have


to respect the verdict of the referendum so the Parliament on


behalf of the people can be sure that we don't have hard Brexit that


I think there is that you end the primacy of which is that you end the


country and then put in place a partnership with the EU which might


have all sorts of corporations and joint working European law and


become a sovereign country and then put in place a partnership with the


EU which might have all sorts of corporations and you will not be


subject Swiss make a payment? They are wrong to say it is a


contribution to the EU budget because it is a contribution to the


areas where you worked European law. Do the Swiss make a payment? They


are wrong to say it is a contribution to the EU budget


because it is a contribution to the areas where you worked jointly. We


do not need to take a position we do not need to take still if there were


areas where you were still working participate in schemes like that, it


is wider than the EU, it is a wider Europe issue. What is the


Government's position now on assessing the, something like


Erasmus, if you are going to participate in schemes like that, it


is wider than the EU, it is a wider Europe issue. What is the


Government's position now on assessing the percentage in a


company that position? The Prime Minister made it clear, she is


looking to consult on this area, the objective is to make sure the


government has the information it needs to be able to consider. What


is the Government's position? The Prime Minister made it clear, she is


looking to consult on this area, the objective is to make sure the


government has the information it needs to be able to consider. What


information make sure it has the information on companies heavily


reliant on immigrant it should make sure it has the information on


companies heavily reliant on and to make clear if there are areas where


you need training. It's about understanding your the time the


Downing Street briefing at the time impact on the local labour force of


the hiring pulses of particular companies. And be clear about the


proportion of the workforce that is international -- hiring policies.


They mean migrants. Clear about the proportion of the workforce that was


international. Is that the policy still? Yes, that is it, but this


isn't a name and shame... I'm not asking for... It never was that, it


was simply about the Government being able to understand about the


workforce, understand sectors particularly reliant on


international workers and to understand how we can deal with


that, whether we can fill those skills gaps with our own people. Not


that different from the policy Ed Miliband proposed in the last


Parliament. That we have at the next stage is a major emphasis on


listening to the people whose discontents led them to vote Brexit,


those left behind post-industrial areas, a major programme, ladders of


opportunity for them, without hesitation. That we go back down the


path, however, of fingering people on the basis of colour of their


skin. Nobody is saying that, Ed Miliband proposed this. Why is it


wrong for the government to propose this and not wrong for Ed Miliband


to propose it? What the government is proposing would not disgrace


Ukip. This kind of proposal is dog whistle politics. Do you know what,


it stinks and it is reminiscent of what happened during the referendum


debate when the immigration card was played. It is just rhetoric, let's


get down to the principal. This has nothing to do with that which is


obviously reprehensible. The issue is that if you find companies that


are hiring a large proportion of migrant labour, it sends you a


signal that when there is still an unemployed pool of labour in this


country that we not training people with right skills. So it would give


you an indication of where you should emphasise your efforts on


skills so that over time these jobs would be done by the unemployed


people in this country. What could be wrong with that? It goes back to


what Kier Starmer said on Sunday and I think he was absolutely right.


Just answer my question, what's wrong with that? That information is


already available, if you look at the sectoral analyses that have been


done of the care sector, National Health Service sector on the one


hand and areas of high unemployment where there are lots of people


unemployed, that information is readily available. What we do not


need, on the back of what has been a deeply divisive referendum campaign


which has seen a rise in race hate in our country, we don't want our


government to fuel that at the next stage. We have to leave it there.


Laura, thanks. Now, yesterday on the Daily Politics


we discussed the question of whether Jeremy Corbyn should have


attended a rally held by the Stand Up To Racism


organisation last weekend. Mr Corbyn had faced criticism


from some Labour Party members who argued he shouldn't attend


the rally because of what they saw as the organisation's links


to the Socialist Workers Party. During the discussion,


the Labour-supporting journalist James Bloodworth suggested that one


of the reasons for concern was that the SWP leadership had


persuaded an SWP member not to take a case of sexual


harassment to the police. The Secretary of the SWP


has since been in touch with the programme -


we are happy to clarify that the SWP They are traditionally


consumed to mitigate the ill-effects of the excessive


consumption of alcohol. Everyone does it to mitigate the


effects of alcohol. But are we missing out on the health


benefits of this Turkish delicacy. Well - Jeremy Corbyn has appointed


a new Shadow Minister for Public Health who is


a big fan of Kebabs - her name is Sharon Hodgson -


and here she is at the I, like a lot of the UK


population, love kebabs. You know, kebabs can


be quite healthy. People often think it is something


that people have after a night out but, actually, you know,


Turkish food is really, really lovely and it's far more


than just a kebab as well. They are not something


I make at home. So I would hope that I would be able


to get some recipes. I'm hoping somebody I meet tonight


might give me a recipe I'm joined now by Ibrahim Dogus,


who runs the very same British Kebab Awards -


and has brought some Let's call it that for the moment.


Aren't you lucky, lunch has been provided, feeling hungry? How is it


healthy food, because most people associate it with a treat or


something you have late at night? Is that a euphemism? For what? Nothing!


That is a perception built around late-night food, it is a stereotype.


Kebabs are a healthy food, kidnap means cooked over an open flame,


burgers, steaks, barbecue fish, they are all part of the kidnap industry.


We have chicken, lamb, vegetarian. The perception that it is unhealthy


is wrong. It's only a small part of the industry, we beyond that, much


bigger than what has been talked about. Do you think the British


kidnap awards have changed people's perceptions about this food? For the


last four years we have changed peoples perceptions and raised


standards. There are small takeaway is across the country not doing a


good job for the industry so we are tackling those issues alongside


making sure the public is aware of what is available for them as part


of a healthy diet. How did you persuade Jeremy Corbyn to present,


he is a vegetarian, to present the prize at the British Kebab Awards. I


noticed that you have brought a plate of vegetarian food. We have


been supported by the former Prime Minister David Cameron, current


Prime Minister Theresa May and many other candidate and Shadow Cabinet


members. This is about diversity, a celebration of diversity and British


enterprise and supporting small businesses across the country.


How much and how often do you eat kebabs, George? If I'm honest, the


Turn 2 Tabarrak, after being nightclubbing as a student -- the


doner kebab. You have to change the perception. I am the Minister for


food. Just to clear that up! I couldn't make the dinner they have


every March. Are you a fan? I am, during the referendum campaign in


Birmingham on a BBC programme I did what do you take away from a


takeaway kebab shop. Ask me everything you want to know. We


haven't got time for this! That is a long story. Neil Kinnock was the one


who got properly kebabbed. Let's put you out of your misery. It


was 1981. That was the answer to Guess The Year. Brian Wishart from


Glasgow. There's just time to put you out


of your misery and give The News at One is starting


over on BBC One now.


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