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The Government says it's sorry to see Zac Goldsmith

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resign over Heathrow, but won't be standing

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Could this be a chance for a Lib Dem by-election upset?

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Heathrow's third runway is unlikely to be up and running before 2025,

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but there are still a range of obstacles including legal

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challenges, planning laws and concerns over air quality.

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Officials are continuing to dismantle the Calais camp

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But how many migrants will refuse to give up their attempts to cross the

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Channelled to the UK? Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn

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will be facing each other over the despatch box at prime

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minister's questions, we'll bring you all the action

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live at midday. And when real life at Westminster

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gets a bit dull, which fictional politicians do our MPs turn

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to for inspiration? All that in the next

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hour and a half. And with us for the whole

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of the programme today, two politicians who we're pretty

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sure aren't a figment Greg Clark is the Business Secretary

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although, when Theresa May was appointing her first Cabinet,

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she accidentally made him president of the Board of Trade as well -

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a job he officially held for four days until officials

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realised the mistake. John Healey was Shadow Housing

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Minister until Labour's And now he's back in a new, exciting

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role, as Shadow Housing Minister. First today, let's talk

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about Calais, where French authorities are continuing

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to demolish what became known Last night, several

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huts were set on fire. There are concerns that many

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migrants will not give up their attempts

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to cross the Channel to the UK. So far, about 4,000 of some 7,000

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migrants have been taken to shelters around France, and workers

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have been dismantling It is thought that a large number

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of migrants have disappeared, possibly to sleep rough around

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Calais until they can Several hundred more young migrants

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are expected to arrive in Britain from Calais

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in the next few weeks, to join the 200 who

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have already arrived. Greg, what will prevent another

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migrant settlement developing incarnate? If history is a guide,

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that is exactly what will happen again in the UK will continue to be

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a magnet. French authorities have thought long and hard about what to

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do with the situation all of us could seek if you had a camp of 7000

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or 10,000 people, there are big pressures. What it has done in terms

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of establishing centres across the country where people can be

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processed and put into place those arrangements, that seems to be a

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sensible approach for them to take to the problem. Do you think it will

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prevent makeshift camps being rebuilt once the bulldozers have

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left for those migrants who still want to come to the UK? It is for

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the French authorities to act on that. To think it will happen? They

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are determined to solve this problem in Calais for is you can understand

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the people of Calais being very concerned about the continuation of

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this. They are doing everything they can. It seems to me, in a parallel

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situation, if we had an encampment of people, of course, both for

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welfare reasons for the people concerned, we would want to take

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steps to make sure that people are being treated properly. They're in

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mind this is an encampment of people, many of whom have been

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trafficked and are being trafficked on. The idea you are disrupting and

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putting more civilised arrangements in place for people, rather than to

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have them in the hands of traffickers... It is a big political

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issue in France and will be at the presidential election. It could be

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used, couldn't it, in terms of alternatives to border arrangements,

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for example? It is a big concern to local French people. The French

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authorities and the interior minister have clearly worked with

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the local and regional authorities to put into place systems to deal

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with the problem. They are going through it. It is clearly a matter

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for the French but it is understandable they should want to

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act. Two things will happen. The problem of people living in poverty

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and misery will get disbursed and be more difficult to deal with. The

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pressure points on the UK and on the UK Borders will disbursed as well.

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Really the question for the Government now, in light of this,

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what is the Government's and for dealing with that? The other thing

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that will happen, and we know this happened last time, kids in

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particular disappeared into the hands of smugglers and traffickers.

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That is the real worry. Let's talk about the children. The Home

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Secretary has had to issue an appeal because there are not enough council

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places for the Calais children. The Local Government Association has

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said the Government only wrote to council leaders on 14th of October.

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That is only a week and a half ago. Why was it less so late? There is

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constant communication with the local Government Association. David

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Simons, believes councillor responsible for that has worked very

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closely with the Home Office when I was community secretary, I met with

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him and the LGA. The response of local councils across the country to

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taking vulnerable people to Syria... This is not enough. We have known

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what will happen at the Calais camp. There was a commitment to take

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unaccompanied minors. Why were the only written to in the last week or

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so? Communication has been constant, going back for years. In particular

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over the last year. It is important to recognise the efforts that local

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Gottman has made in housing people and giving support to people coming

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from Syria. -- local government. They have met with individual

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councils across the country. They are made very welcome. They have a

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good record. In terms of the money, one of the agreements that was made

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with local government was that the costs would be recognised and would

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be met. Again, David Simons would tell you that has been a very

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constructive relationship. We have left this far too late for Britain

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to do its bit, especially for children and teenagers in the camp.

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They have not been assessed for that there is no clear plan to bring them

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back. It is late in the day, six months after we pass legislation in

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Parliament with the Dubs Amendment, about these children who have a

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right to be in the UK. Does before that the councils started stepping

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up volunteering to places. How concerned are you that the age of

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these children is being correctly assessed? I think that is a symptom

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of an assessment process that has been rushed and left too late. You

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think there should have been more rigorous checks? Assessment should

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have been done earlier and plans in place earlier. Places should have

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been found for them and prepared for them. All of this should have been

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done earlier. It is far too late to do our bit as they are dismantling

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the camps. You would be in favour of more rigorous medical assessment so

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the British voting public has faith in the system that child refugees

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means child refugees? You need to have confidence in the assessment

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system that it is hard to do a good job and it is late and rushed like

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this. The British public in large and others have wanted to see, and

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have been ready to welcome, these children and teenagers who have gone

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through the most appalling problems back in their home areas. They do

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not have family in the camps. Most of them have family in Britain who

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could already be looking after them, instead of this happening late in

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the day. It is right to proceed in a carefully planned way. Thank you.

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The Government's decision yesterday to go ahead with the expansion

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of Heathrow Airport means we could be getting closer to seeing

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the construction of the first new runway in the South East

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And ministers still face some knotty problems, including the by-election

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triggered by anti-Heathrow campaigner Zac Goldsmith,

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opposition from local protestors, and the prospect of the whole thing

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being ensnared in the courts and the planning process.

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You can already hear the lawyers smacking their lips at the prospect

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of a dripping roast. Theresa May has made her decision,

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but there are a number of clouds on the horizon if plans

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for a third runway at Heathrow Zac Goldsmith, the Conservative

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MP for Richmond Park, resigned within hours

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of the decision yesterday, triggering a by-election,

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which he hopes will be a "referendum" on expansion

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at the West London airport. Others are already planning

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to oppose the third Four Conservative councils have

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pledged to mount a legal challenge. Environmental groups,

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including Greenpeace, are expected to join them,

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over concerns about air quality. The Mayor of London,

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Sadiq Khan, another opponent of Heathrow expansion,

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has said he is also considering how he can "best be involved"

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in a legal challenge. And then there are the divisions

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in the Prime Minister's own Cabinet. Boris Johnson has already called

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a third runway "undeliverable". Theresa May has had

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to suspend collective responsibility to allow him

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and Education Secretary Justine It means Mrs May will likely need

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Labour support to win a vote But while many Labour MPs

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favour Heathrow expansion, both Jeremy Corbyn and Shadow

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Chancellor John McDonnell Well, Transport Secretary Chris

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Grayling has been talking It's all about what's

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right for the country. Everyone benefits

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from pursuing this. Albeit, it's difficult for people

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who live close by. But if you look at the difference

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this will make in terms of creating jobs, creating new opportunities

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around the world for British businesses, small, medium and large,

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to sell their products, this is right thing

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for the whole country. If we want to fund the National

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Health Service in future, if we want to do the right

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thing by our pensioners, we have to be a nation

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that creates wealth, We have to be a country that

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works for everyone in it. Well, let's speak

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now to Sarah Olney. She's the Lib Dem candidate hoping

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to challenge Zac Goldsmith Can you confirm that you will be the

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Lib Dem candidate? I am currently the candidate. I was selected by the

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local party at the hustings back in the summer. We just need to go

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through a further process to confirm who the candidate will be in the

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by-election. Do you expect anyone to argue in your constituency or the

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wider Lib Democrat party? We need somebody much better known with a

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higher profile. Perhaps a 67-year-old male with a knighthood

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who used to have a neighbouring constituency. I can't imagine who

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you mean. I have heard we will have a discussion about it. There will be

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a short list put to the local party and it will be for them to decide.

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So, it is not a slam dunk that he will be the candidate? I don't know.

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There will be a process, there will be a short list. I do not know how

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long that will be. That is the process. Zac Goldsmith has said he

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wants this by-election to be a referendum on Heathrow. Given you

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are against Heathrow, any Lib Dem candidate will almost certainly be

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against Heathrow, the two front runners are against Heathrow, in

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what way can be a referendum on Heathrow? Precisely. It is really

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just a bit of a farce. Once again we see the Conservatives finding

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themselves having to call an election to decide what really

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should be an internal party matter. It is Conservative in fighting

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again. We have seen this with the referendum. They cannot resolve

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things amongst themselves so they call a referendum. The Lib Dems once

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favoured a referendum on in or out. If you are a candidate, will you

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make this election... This constituency voted 70% to remain on

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June 23. Will you make this as much an election about the referendum,

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about the future of Britain in Europe, is about Heathrow? It is a

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good opportunity for the voters of Richmond Park to have a say about

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what they think about Brexit and the way the Conservative government is

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approaching the Brexit negotiations. As you said, we're on the same side

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as far as Heathrow is concerned. For the voters to be able to choose

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between us, it will be fought on other issues. Brexit will clearly be

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the main issue uppermost in the minds of voters. We know the people

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of Richmond by and large are against Heathrow expansion, because it is in

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their neighbourhood. Window without doubt they wanted to remain in the

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European Union, they voted roughly 70% to so do. What we going to find

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out that we don't know already? People will be a bit puzzled because

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we know all that. Quite. I agree with you. It seems a bit of a farce

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we are having this by-election. I'm happy to have the opportunity to put

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messages in front of voters. We are keen to get started and up for the

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fight. Why would you be a better advocate of opposing the expansion

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of Heathrow than Zac Goldsmith, who has a well-known almost national

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track record on this issue? I think Zach has failed, to put it

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Bruntly. He has had his opportunity and failed to influence the

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Government in anyway. The Liberal Democrats have a good track record

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of preventing Heathrow eggs spankings. We have had Liberal

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Democrat MPs in the past who have fought very hard and very

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effectively to prevent Heathrow eggs spankings and when we were in the

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coalition we prevented Heathrow expansion. I think I would argue

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that the Liberal Democrats have a much better track record in this

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area than Zac Goldsmith does and also we are united as a party

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against Heathrow which the Conservatives and Labour clearly

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aren't. All right, thank you for joining us. Why are the

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Conservatives not putting up a candidate against Mr Goldsmith?

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Because we admire the work he has done in his constituency. He was

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very clear he would resign if this decision was taken. Was it Sarah,

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the candidate, Yes. I think she says this is a by-election that shouldn't

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happen. I think she would be the first to be outraged if Zac

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Goldsmith having said he would resign, hadn't. Yes, I think a lot

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of people would think this is a by election which shouldn't happen.

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Here is a Conservative MP, who fought the last election being

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opposed to Heathrow. Knowing that the Government was likely to go

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ahead with Heathrow. The Government has gone ahead with Heathrow. He is

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going to fight a by-election being opposed to Heathrow. He hopes to

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win. Back to the status quo, ante, nothing will have changed except

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it'll have cost the country ?250,000 in money for the by-election. The

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fist thing, Andrew, is the decision about Heathrow followed the Davis

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commission report, so it wasn't possible for any of to us know what

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the recommendations would have been, before the election. It was - we

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have discussed it many times on this programme, it was very serious. I

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forget, would the Davis commission report before the general election?

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Yes. You knew it was the official recommendation. Mr Goldsmith says he

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wants this to be a referendum on Heathrow. So if the pro-Heathrow

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Government doesn't put up a candidate, how can it be a

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referendum on Heathrow? Well, the Prime Minister has said even members

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of the Cabinet who have had long-standing constituency

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objections to Heathrow are able to continue to express them. I know

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that. Who will put the case for Heathrow in the by-election? Well,

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the by election is... A referendum on Heathrow The by-election is the

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by-election and the candidates will say. And Mr Goldsmith already said

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it was a referendum Heathrow. Let me try again, who will put the case on

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this by election on Heathrow which you know will get national

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attention? This is a by election to elect the next Member of Parliament

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for Richmond Park. No, really, wow! The key thing, I think the

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Government finally after which, in the 1940s when it was fist put

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forward has agreed to ex-spanned airport capacity and taken an

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important strategic decision, of course it was controversial, it was

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always going to be. None of which has to do with the question I asked.

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Never mind. For clarity. The final part of the Davis report came out

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after the election. But, you had to be in New Zealand, I think, not to

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know which way the wind was going Can I say something on, that the

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Davis report was set up with the support of both parties, as John

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will acknowledge, to to have a serious consideration of the case

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and both main parties committed to... I understand all that. I need

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to get on to John. But this must be. I want to stick with the policies

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before I come on to it. This Is must be the first time since the 1940s

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certainly when you have a Government not prepared to put up a candidate

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in the by election. You are ducking the electorate. They want to avoid

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the Liberal Democrats winning, it is clear, that's why they are doing t

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isn't it? Obviously. Speaking of this... Well, a Member of

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Parliament, with respect. Hang on, you have had your say. Ducking,

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ducking, ducking, major party. Your colleagues, Clive Lewis, Jonathan

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Reynolds, and another have written an article this morning saying

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Labour shouldn't stand in Richmond. Do you agree with that? No. Labour

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will stand. They will Labour will stand. In a pro-Heathrow stance?

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Labour will stand To be honest, I can't see a by-election being simply

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a referendum on Heathrow however Zac Goldsmith likes to argue it.

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Normally referendums are a judgment, or if you like, at the time on the

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Government. That's how we will fight that campaign for the by-election.

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So Labour is standing. Yes. Right. Greg Clarke, when do you think the

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first plane will take off from the new runway? Well, it clearly needs

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to go through the planning process, the middle of the next decade.

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2025-26 is the time in which it is... Except that that would only

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happen, if everything went right, if the planning process was seamless.

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If the legal challenges got nowhere. If people manage not to tie

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themselves in front of bulldozers and all the rest of it. If

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everything went, you might just make it by 2025. Anything goes wrong, and

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these things tend to go wrong, remember Terminal 5, how long that

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took t could be much longer than that. The responsibility of the

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Government is to do everything meticulously, as we have done,

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through the consideration of the report, through the decision of the

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sub committee of the Cabinet made, through the parliamentary process.

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But it could be a lot longer. The plan and the airports commission

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looked at the timetables for each of the proposals, and they validated

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the prospects for reach of them. But it is not the quickest one by far.

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Not the quickest one. You have said - or your Government - that this is

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Britain open for business, but you have actually chosen the most

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expensive option and the one that will take the longest to deliver.

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So, for the next 10, 12, could even be 15 years, you are pretty much

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closing the UK for business. We are not going to get this expansion any

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time soon? Andrew, I have come from a meeting before I came on your show

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with the leaders of the institute of directors, the CBI, the federation

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of small business, the British Chambers of Commerce and others,

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they were unanimous in welcoming the decision, that a decision has been

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made but also the particular decision for this Heathrow option.

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But my point is that it will take the longest, won't it? Tell a take

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longer than Gatwick. A lot longer. It is one of the considerations that

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was made in the decision but the benefits from Heathrow,

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establishing, reinforcing this UK's - as one of the world's premier hub

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airports, is the right decision. Let me ask you two quick questions

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before I come back to John Healy. - was the Government aware that the

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plan may now be to build a ramp over the M25? Did you know that when you

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took the decision? Yes, part of the ground transport improvements that

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are needed to service it, need to be consistent with minimising the

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disare up... But the talk was of a tunnel. Did you know that a ramp was

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now possible? We knew that there would be changes to the road system

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around there Was that in the proposal? Part of the consideration

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was the required changes. But was it in the proposal that the Davis

:23:32.:23:35.

commission considered? The Davis commission made deleer that there

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would need to be changes, improvements. It proceeded on the

:23:38.:23:40.

basis of a tunnel. Around transportation. Let me ask you

:23:41.:23:46.

another one. David Cameron's advisors warned him last year that

:23:47.:23:52.

he was "exposed on Heathrow, we don't yet have an answer on air

:23:53.:23:55.

quality." That's what he was told. What is the answer? The air quality

:23:56.:24:01.

aspect is one of the questions that was looked at again, which is why

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the decision wasn't taken last year. What is the answer? The answer is

:24:06.:24:09.

that we can meet the air quality requirements that we have by

:24:10.:24:13.

proceeding with Heathrow. This has been established through the... Why?

:24:14.:24:23.

Because we can live within our requirements to cap the pollutants,

:24:24.:24:27.

from the ground level, as well as the airport on the trajectory. They

:24:28.:24:31.

were stress-tested that the calculations there were robust.

:24:32.:24:35.

Only assuming there is a massive increase in the use of public

:24:36.:24:39.

transport and a massive increase in the use of electric cars, correct?

:24:40.:24:43.

In terms of increasing public transport, this is one of the big

:24:44.:24:47.

advantages of Heat Heath, and the move towards electric vehicles is -

:24:48.:24:50.

of Heathrow, and the move towards electric vehicles... So that has to

:24:51.:24:54.

happen But there are other unanswered questions in the

:24:55.:24:56.

Transport Secretary's statement yesterday. Air quality, climate

:24:57.:25:00.

change, that is your Greg's, and how on earth we are going to do that. I

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think we've demonstrated that from the questions from the Government.

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Can you answer this... It will he a bring benefits from around the UK.

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Does Labour support the third runway? I support T Labour supported

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the third runway in Government. It made this decision ten years ago.

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But you fought. Mr Miliband fought the last election against it. You

:25:24.:25:30.

have wasted six years. We have done enough on the Tories. Your partying

:25:31.:25:34.

fought the last election against the runway There are differences within

:25:35.:25:36.

the Labour Party, like within the Conservatives. I know, you have been

:25:37.:25:41.

very honest and given us your view - and we know the Tories are divided

:25:42.:25:45.

on this as well but the majority, it would seem, would be in favour and

:25:46.:25:49.

as Mr Clarke said, they are proceeding. Is there a collective

:25:50.:25:53.

view, a collective policy by the Labour Party on this? I think it's

:25:54.:25:58.

hard to say at this stage. In a way, this is the start of the prose.s the

:25:59.:26:02.

crunch point will come, as you said earlier, late 2017 or early 18 when

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Parliament has to vote on this as part of the national policy

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statement. It is at that stage that Labour will have a broader view.

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Buts. Do you have a collective view? I would say to you that the majority

:26:17.:26:22.

of Labour MPs, as things stand, like I do, believe this is the best

:26:23.:26:25.

option, for much inform needed capacity in the south-east. Is Mr

:26:26.:26:28.

Corbyn in favour? You will have to ask him? Or the Chancellor.

:26:29.:26:34.

On-McDonnell is against it. This is a debate that only just started.

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Only juster started. Harold Wilson started it in 1968! This is a debate

:26:40.:26:44.

and process now, triggered by the decision yesterday which has only

:26:45.:26:47.

just started. OK. We need to move on. Afterall, it's only how many

:26:48.:26:53.

years, 48? . Keep counting. No, no, you have had

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your say. Now how do you think

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Greg and John will Well, apparently those are just two

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examples of new hand signals for civil servants who want to stop

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ministers at meetings. I learned that in Framery 1. How

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much are these consultants getting? Tea.

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But for any civil servants watching I've got some news,

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And that can mean only one thing, Yes, Prime Minister's

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And that's not all, Laura Kuenssberg is here.

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Welcome back. The big storivity week is obviously Heathrow, runway

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expansion, provoked a by election, the Government is divided on it,

:30:22.:30:25.

some big names, so naturally, the Leader of the Opposition will go on

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Heathrow, except - that he's just as divided. Well, indeed. Are we

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allowed to do hand signals, warming up to Prime Minister's Questions? I

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think actually what they may go on, given what has happened since last

:30:39.:30:41.

week's Prime Minister's Questions, aside from Heathrow, is Theresa May

:30:42.:30:46.

going to her first EU Council meeting. A really big deal a big

:30:47.:30:49.

moment for the Prime Minister, to turn newspaper Brussels, to try to

:30:50.:30:53.

make friends and to try to start - turn up in Brussels, to try to make

:30:54.:30:58.

friends and start to edging her position which looks like a dynamic

:30:59.:31:01.

where she will be able to get her way. It was not an easy couple of

:31:02.:31:08.

days in Brussels at the end of week, at all and especially what went

:31:09.:31:12.

down, was don't freeze us out, we may be leaving but don't exclude us,

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I demand to be in on everything until we leave. It maybe that Jeremy

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Corbyn will pick up on that. Do you think he will? Do you have inside

:31:23.:31:25.

information or are you guessing? I'm always guessing. Last week's guess

:31:26.:31:31.

turned out to be not bad. We guessed about Simon Stevens. That was true,

:31:32.:31:36.

that was the health service and Mr Corbyn obviously is very clear. But

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we will go straight over now. This morning I had meetings with

:31:38.:31:50.

ministerial colleagues and others. I shall have further such meetings

:31:51.:31:55.

later today. In the Black Country in the West Midlands, we are very proud

:31:56.:31:59.

of our long, industrial heritage. We are also very proud of the recent

:32:00.:32:05.

revival in the fortunes of the Black Country with new jobs and investment

:32:06.:32:09.

in the local economy. With the Prime Minister agree with me not one of

:32:10.:32:13.

the ways to create an economy which works for everyone is to further

:32:14.:32:16.

devolved powers and funding to the West Midlands to drive investment

:32:17.:32:20.

and to combine that with the strong leadership and vision that only Andy

:32:21.:32:28.

Street can provide, the Conservative candidate for West Midlands? Thank

:32:29.:32:35.

you. Our honourable friend speaks up well for the Black Country. I am

:32:36.:32:39.

pleased to echo his comments about the economic growth in the West

:32:40.:32:43.

Midlands. Since 2010 we have seen 220,000 more jobs, 55,000 more new

:32:44.:32:49.

businesses in the region thought he is right that evolution deal is

:32:50.:32:54.

important. It is the biggest deal, devolution deal that is being done,

:32:55.:32:59.

for the West Midlands. Part of that is crucially the election of a

:33:00.:33:04.

directly elected mayor. Andy Street, with his local knowledge and

:33:05.:33:07.

business experience, will drive economic growth. Jeremy Corbyn.

:33:08.:33:17.

Thank you. Could I stop by welcoming the child refugees who have arrived

:33:18.:33:21.

in Britain in the last few days question that they are obviously

:33:22.:33:24.

deeply traumatised and we should welcome and love them and support

:33:25.:33:28.

them in the best way we can. Irrespective party, when members of

:33:29.:33:33.

this House go through health problems, we reach out a hand of

:33:34.:33:37.

support. I want to pay tribute to the member for Grantham and Stamford

:33:38.:33:43.

for the social media message he sent out this morning which shows amazing

:33:44.:33:48.

humour and bravery and we wish him all the very best and hope he fully

:33:49.:33:52.

recovers. There are now to be regular sessions of the joint

:33:53.:33:55.

ministerial Council to discuss Brexit. It seems the Prime

:33:56.:33:59.

Minister's counterparts are already feeling the same sense of

:34:00.:34:02.

frustration as members of this House. The First Minister Paul

:34:03.:34:07.

Wales, Carwyn Jones, said there is a great deal of uncertainty that they

:34:08.:34:12.

need full and unfettered access to the single market. Can the Prime

:34:13.:34:16.

Minister help the First Minister of Wales and the other devolved

:34:17.:34:18.

Administration is by giving them some clarity? First of all can I

:34:19.:34:26.

commend the Home Office for the work that has been done in ensuring that

:34:27.:34:31.

it is working carefully to look at the best interests of the child

:34:32.:34:34.

refugees, so they are provided with the support they need when they come

:34:35.:34:39.

here to the United Kingdom. Can I also join him in commending my

:34:40.:34:43.

honourable friend the member for grants and Stamford, for being

:34:44.:34:47.

willing to be so open about the health problem he has, and we wish

:34:48.:34:51.

him all the very best for the future and for his place here in this

:34:52.:34:57.

House. In relation to the issue of clarity on the aim is the Government

:34:58.:35:01.

has in relation to Brexit, I have been very clear and I will be clear

:35:02.:35:02.

again. There are those who talk about means

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and those who talk about ends. I am talking about ends. What we need to

:35:18.:35:21.

see is the best possible arrangement for trade with an operation within

:35:22.:35:25.

the single European market for businesses in goods and services

:35:26.:35:31.

here in the United Kingdom. I'd thought moment the Prime Minister

:35:32.:35:33.

was to say Brexit means Brexit again. There are others... I am sure

:35:34.:35:45.

she will tell us one day what it actually means. The Mayor of London

:35:46.:35:49.

also added this is causing unnecessary certainty but it is also

:35:50.:36:01.

very important uncertainty. It would be very helpful if the Prime

:36:02.:36:06.

Minister could provide some clarity over the Northern Ireland border.

:36:07.:36:10.

Will we continue membership of the customs union will be sea border

:36:11.:36:13.

checks introduced between Northern Ireland and the Republic? The Leader

:36:14.:36:21.

of the Opposition tries to poke fun at the phrase, Brexit means Brexit.

:36:22.:36:30.

The whole point is this. Brexit, it is this government which is

:36:31.:36:33.

listening to the voice of the British people. Brexit means Brexit

:36:34.:36:43.

and that means we are coming out of the European Union. What the Right

:36:44.:36:46.

Honourable gentleman appears to be doing is frustrating the well of the

:36:47.:36:50.

British people by saying Brexit means something completely different

:36:51.:36:54.

in relation to the Northern Irish border, a considerable amount of

:36:55.:36:59.

work was already going on with the Irish government to look at issues

:37:00.:37:03.

around the Common travel area. That work is continuing. We have been

:37:04.:37:06.

very clear, the Government of the Republic of Ireland has been very

:37:07.:37:10.

clear. The Northern Ireland Executive has been very clear. None

:37:11.:37:14.

of us want to see a return to the borders of the past. I would remind

:37:15.:37:22.

the right honourable gentleman that the Common travel area has been in

:37:23.:37:27.

place since 1923. That is well before either of us joined the

:37:28.:37:32.

European Union. Mr Speaker, on Monday, the Prime Minister said the

:37:33.:37:36.

customs union was not a binary choice. I can't think of anything

:37:37.:37:40.

other than a binary choice is whether you have a border or do not

:37:41.:37:45.

have one. There is not a third way on that one. On Monday, her friend,

:37:46.:37:51.

the honourable member for Broxtowe, expressed concern of the automotive

:37:52.:37:56.

and aerospace industries while the British banking Association said its

:37:57.:38:01.

members are poised, quivering, over the relocate button. Every day the

:38:02.:38:07.

Prime Minister dithers over the chaotic Brexit, there are rumours

:38:08.:38:11.

circulating about relocation. This cannot carry on until March of next

:38:12.:38:16.

year. When will the Prime Minister come up with a plan? I have to say

:38:17.:38:22.

to the right honourable gentleman, the fact that he seems to confuse a

:38:23.:38:28.

customs union with a border where they are two different issues, it

:38:29.:38:36.

shows why it is important that it is this party that is in government and

:38:37.:38:43.

not his. He talks about the plan. I have been very clear that we want to

:38:44.:38:51.

trade freely - both trade and operate within the single market. I

:38:52.:38:57.

want this country to be a global leader in free trade. The Labour

:38:58.:39:01.

Party is against free trade. I want to introduce control on free

:39:02.:39:06.

movement so that we have an end to free movement. The Labour Party

:39:07.:39:10.

wants to continue with free movement. I want to deliver on the

:39:11.:39:14.

will of the British people. He is trying to frustrate the will of the

:39:15.:39:19.

British people. Mr Speaker, there was no answer on the border, which

:39:20.:39:25.

was the question. On Monday, Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister told the

:39:26.:39:31.

house, and I quote that we have a plan not to set out at every stage

:39:32.:39:36.

of the negotiation the details. I have been thinking about this white

:39:37.:39:44.

couple of days, Mr Speaker. I think when you are searching for the real

:39:45.:39:52.

meaning and importance behind the Prime Minister's statement you have

:39:53.:39:56.

to consult the great philosophers. The only one I can come up with...

:39:57.:40:06.

Mr cleverly, calm yourself or you are in peril in your own health. All

:40:07.:40:18.

I can come up with Mr Speaker is Baldrick, who said, our cunning plan

:40:19.:40:22.

is to have no plan. Brexit was apparently about taking back control

:40:23.:40:27.

but devolved governments do not know the plan, businesses do not know the

:40:28.:40:31.

plan, Parliament does not know the plan. When will the Prime Minister

:40:32.:40:35.

abandon their shambolic Tory Brexit and develop a plan that delivers for

:40:36.:40:37.

the whole country? I am interested that the right

:40:38.:40:53.

honourable gentleman shows to support Baldrick. The actor playing

:40:54.:40:57.

Baldrick was a member of the Labour Party. I will tell the right

:40:58.:41:04.

honourable gentleman what we are going to deliver. We are going to

:41:05.:41:07.

deliver on the vote of the British people, we are going to deliver the

:41:08.:41:12.

best possible deal for trade in goods and services both with and

:41:13.:41:16.

operating within the European Union. And we are going to deliver an end

:41:17.:41:20.

to free movement. That is what the British people want and that is what

:41:21.:41:22.

this government will deliver for them. Mr Speaker, three years ago

:41:23.:41:31.

the United Kingdom backed Saudi Arabia former mission of the UN

:41:32.:41:36.

Human Rights Council. On 28th of October, there are elections again

:41:37.:41:39.

for the UN human rights Council. A UN panel has warned that the Saudi

:41:40.:41:45.

Arabian bombing of Yemen has violated international law. Amnesty

:41:46.:41:49.

International says, executions are on the increase, women are widely

:41:50.:41:52.

discriminated against, torture is common and human rights

:41:53.:41:56.

organisations are banned. Will Howard government again be backing

:41:57.:42:02.

the Saudi dictatorship for membership of that committee? -- her

:42:03.:42:06.

government. As the right honourable gentleman knows, whether our

:42:07.:42:10.

legitimate human rights concerns in relation to Saudi Arabia, we raise

:42:11.:42:13.

them. In relation to the action in the Yemen we have been clear that we

:42:14.:42:17.

want those incidents which have been referred to to be properly

:42:18.:42:20.

investigated and we want the Saudi Arabians, if there are lessons to be

:42:21.:42:25.

learned, to learn lessons. I will reiterate the point I have made in

:42:26.:42:29.

this House before that our relationship with Saudi Arabia is

:42:30.:42:37.

important. It particularly important relationship in relation to the

:42:38.:42:39.

security of this country and counterterrorism and boiling

:42:40.:42:42.

activities of those who wish to do harm to citizens in the UK. A Yemeni

:42:43.:42:47.

man living in Liverpool told me this week that Yemen is quickly becoming

:42:48.:42:53.

the forgotten crisis. If people are not being killed by bombs, it is

:42:54.:42:58.

hunger that kills them. The UK needs to use its influence to help the

:42:59.:43:02.

people of Yemen. Bombs exported from Britain are being dropped on Yemeni

:43:03.:43:07.

children by Saudi pilots trained by Britain. If there are war crimes

:43:08.:43:12.

being committed, as the UN suggests, they must be investigated. Isn't it

:43:13.:43:16.

about time this government suspended its arms sales to Saudi Arabia? The

:43:17.:43:24.

issues are being investigated. I say to the right honourable gentleman.

:43:25.:43:28.

We have taken action for the P is right to refer to the humanitarian

:43:29.:43:33.

crisis in the Yemen. -- we have taken action. This country is at the

:43:34.:43:39.

forefront to ensuring humanitarian aid is provided. I believe this

:43:40.:43:42.

country are governing can be proud around the world in terms of actions

:43:43.:43:47.

taken. It is important. There was as the station of hostilities in the

:43:48.:43:53.

Yemen for a period of 72 hours over the weekend. -- a cessation. I spoke

:43:54.:43:58.

to the Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi at the weekend. One issue we discussed

:43:59.:44:03.

was the importance of trying to find a political solution in Yemen and

:44:04.:44:09.

trying to see if that cessation in hostilities could be continued, but

:44:10.:44:13.

it has not. The only solution which will work for the Yemen will be to

:44:14.:44:17.

make sure we have that political solution which will give stability

:44:18.:44:25.

in the Yemen. Mr Speaker, 20 years ago, a Conservative government

:44:26.:44:29.

agreed that Christchurch and East Dorset councils could retain their

:44:30.:44:33.

sovereignty, independence, and control over their own destiny. Will

:44:34.:44:44.

my right honourable friend assure the House that the Government will

:44:45.:44:49.

not agree to the abolition of Christchurch or is Dorset councils

:44:50.:44:56.

against the will of my constituents? My right honourable friend is right

:44:57.:45:01.

to speak up for his constituents. He is also right that there is not a

:45:02.:45:04.

single model that will work in every part of the country. That is why we

:45:05.:45:08.

believe it is important for local people to come together and

:45:09.:45:11.

determine what is right for them. I know my right honourable friend is

:45:12.:45:14.

trying to build a consensus and also as to what the right way forward is.

:45:15.:45:19.

It is right that local people are able to respond on the consultation

:45:20.:45:20.

and their concerns are listened to. The Scottish Poppy Appeal is

:45:21.:45:28.

launched today for parliamentarians, so can I take the opportunity it

:45:29.:45:32.

praise all of the fund raidsers, the volunteers and veterans involved and

:45:33.:45:35.

I'm sure colleagues in other parts of the House will commend efforts to

:45:36.:45:39.

raise money for the Poppy Appeal in the rest of the UK as well. Hear,

:45:40.:45:44.

hear. Mr Speaker, one of the biggest humanitarian catastrophes of our

:45:45.:45:49.

time is in Syria, specifically in Aleppo, where we expect the

:45:50.:45:53.

ceasefire to end shortly and an onslaught to begin. Will the Prime

:45:54.:45:58.

Minister tell us what efforts the UK is currently undertaking to support

:45:59.:46:01.

a peaceful resolution to the conflict, but also to deal with

:46:02.:46:05.

those who are exacerbating the situation? Hear, hear. Well, first

:46:06.:46:10.

of all, may join the right honourable gentleman in commending

:46:11.:46:13.

and praising the work of all those across the whole of the United

:46:14.:46:17.

Kingdom who give their time and efforts to raise money for the Poppy

:46:18.:46:21.

Appeal. It is very important that we never forget those, through many

:46:22.:46:25.

conflict, who have given of themselves for the safety and

:46:26.:46:30.

security of us and it is important that we recognise that and give

:46:31.:46:35.

generously to the Poppy Appeal over the United Kingdom. In relation to

:46:36.:46:40.

Syria, of course it is important to approach this in a number of tracks.

:46:41.:46:44.

We are involved - my right honourable friend the Foreign

:46:45.:46:49.

Secretary, has been involved in discussions with the United States

:46:50.:46:57.

of America, Secretary of State, Kerry about looking for a way

:46:58.:47:01.

forward. I raised the issue of Russian actions in Syria,

:47:02.:47:04.

particularly the bombing of Aleppo at the European Union at the end of

:47:05.:47:08.

this week, it was only the agenda because the UK had raised T as a

:47:09.:47:11.

result of that discussion, the EU agreed that should the atrocities

:47:12.:47:15.

continue, then we will look at all available options for taking action

:47:16.:47:21.

to put pressure on Russia to stop their indiscriminate bombing of

:47:22.:47:24.

innocent civilians. I commend the Prime Minister for those endeavours,

:47:25.:47:29.

but it is widely expected that the onslaught on Aleppo will be unleash

:47:30.:47:38.

bid Russian airpower, which is currently steaming across the

:47:39.:47:42.

Mediterranean Bonn a battle group of ships. And in recent years 60

:47:43.:47:48.

Russian vessels have refuelled and resupplied in Spanish ports. So will

:47:49.:47:52.

the Prime Minister join me and EU and NATO Allies in unequivocally

:47:53.:47:58.

calling on Spain to refuse the refuelling? The right honourable

:47:59.:48:04.

gentleman refers to the passage of Russian naval ships and of course on

:48:05.:48:08.

the high seas they are able to travel as they wish, although, of

:48:09.:48:12.

course, when they went through the English Channel they were

:48:13.:48:15.

accompanied by royal naval vessels, as they went through. But, what we

:48:16.:48:24.

have seen, sadly s that the Russians are already able to unleash attacks

:48:25.:48:28.

on innocent civilians on Syria. What happens is that we put pressure on

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Russia to do what everybody agrees is the only way that we are going to

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resolve this issue, which is to ensure that we have a political

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transition in Syria, and that's where we should focus our attention.

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THE SPEAKER: Wendy Morton. Mr Speaker, my constituency of

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Aldridge Brownhills forms parts of the UN West Midlands Combined can

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Authority. So there will be new powers being devolved to the

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authority and the mayor. Account Prime Minister tell me how these new

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powers will help my constituents, and local businesses, in sectors

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such as manufacturing, the automotive industry and bricks ander

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is a ammics? I can confirm - and ceranics. I confirm the deal will

:49:17.:49:22.

provide the West Midlands with ?1 billion over years for local

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projects to drive economic growth. This is why it is so important to

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have a mayor who understands the local area, but also has business

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expertise, Andy Street to ensure the economic projects are being

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developed with the interests of the locality in the prime focus for

:49:37.:49:41.

them. I believe that the deal will deliver more jobs on economic

:49:42.:49:45.

prosperity across the West Midlands. It is good for the West Midlands and

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her condition constituencies and good for the rest of the country as

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well. The independent inquiry on child sexual abuse was established

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to deliver long-awaited justice for victims and survivors and to do so

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it must have their could have, dethe Shirley Observation survivors

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association represents more than 600 survivors of abuse that took place

:50:06.:50:12.

in Lambeth Council children's homes and has raised concerns about

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changes to the inquiry. Will the Prime Minister meet with me and the

:50:17.:50:25.

how many from street that and survivors to ensure action so their

:50:26.:50:28.

confidence can be restored. The whole purpose of the itch Quiry was

:50:29.:50:33.

to provide justice for those whose voices have not been heard for too

:50:34.:50:37.

long and who felt that people in positions of power and institutions

:50:38.:50:40.

of the state and other organisations had not heard, their voice, they had

:50:41.:50:45.

not been prepared tolies u listen to them and investigate properly what

:50:46.:50:47.

happened. It is important that victims have confidence in the

:50:48.:50:51.

inquiry. The inquiry is an independent inquiry and it is up to

:50:52.:50:54.

the inquiry chairman to work with irsour viefrs and victims, which I

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know the inquiry chairman has been doing, but I will certainly ensure

:50:59.:51:02.

that the Home Secretary has heard the representations that the

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honourable lady has made and we will take what she has said to us today

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away and consider very carefully what she said. We all want this

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inquiry to work properly and to work in the interests of survivors and

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victims. THE SPEAKER: Trevelyan Trev.

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The Prime Minister will be aware that our nation's commitment to our

:51:23.:51:26.

present and former Armed Forces personnel and families by way of the

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Armed Forces could have nanted is a work in progress and whilst we have

:51:31.:51:33.

made important moves there is much more to do. Will she take this

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opportunity to I a sure this house of her personal commitments of the

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values and promises set out in the covenant and pledge to lend her

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support to efforts to continue the good work begun, to ensure personnel

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veterans and their families face no disadvantage for the service and

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sacrifice they have all made for our country? My honourable friend is

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absolutely right. I know she has championed the Armed Forces covenant

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and is a great proponent of our veterans and Armed Forces. It is

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right everybody in this House owes a great debt of gratitude to our

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veterans and those serving today in our Armed Forces for what they do to

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keep us safe and secure. And this is' why it is so important that the

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covenant isn't just a responsibility for the Government, it is actually a

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national responsibility. We should all be working to ensure that those

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who served us and served us well, do not face disadvantage. It is why we

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have been doing things like putting money into a forces help-to-buy

:52:29.:52:32.

scheme to help them with house, I think the figure is ?200 million. We

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must continue to do this. I absolutely commit to ensuring this

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is a Government that continues to support our set rans and the members

:52:40.:52:45.

of our Armed Forces. - our veterans. Mr Speaker, last year, my

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25-year-old nephew committed suicide after a very short period of

:52:51.:52:59.

depression. His GP had referred him for talking therapy counselling but

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warned him it would be at least six months before he got an appointment.

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Mr Speaker, these treatments in the NHS are very often a waiting game

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and a dangerous waiting game and a postcode lottery. What is the Prime

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Minister doing to sort this crisis out? Hear, hear.

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Can I first of all recognise and commend the honourable gentleman for

:53:22.:53:26.

raising the personal experience that he has of the terrible tragedy that

:53:27.:53:31.

can occur when mental health problems are not properly dealt

:53:32.:53:35.

with. He raises a very serious issue and it is a serious issue for

:53:36.:53:39.

everybody in this House on how the NHS treats mental health. It is why

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we have established this concept of parity of esteem forp mental health

:53:44.:53:46.

and physical health in the National Health Service. It is why we are

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seeing record levels of funding but the question of talking therapies,

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which are therapies which are very effective and we have been

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introducing waiting time standards for this area but I accept there is

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more to do in this area to ensure that those with mental health

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problems are properly treated, and are given the care and attention

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they need. It is an issue not just for the them but for the whole of

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our society. My right honourable friend became Prime Minister in

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dramatic and extraordinary circumstances and in my judgment,

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she has proved more than capable of rising to the many challenges... ...

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Hear hear. It was not my right honourable friend's fault that the

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Chilcot report took seven years or more than ?10 million in terms of

:54:40.:54:45.

cost. Now that we know that Parliament was misled, would my

:54:46.:54:49.

right honourable friend we assure me that she has a cunning plan to

:54:50.:54:58.

ensure that action is taken. Well, I thank my honourable friend for his

:54:59.:55:06.

comments. Obviously what the Chilcot report did was an important task but

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although it did look at - and criticise - the way in which

:55:13.:55:16.

information had been handled in a number of aspects, it did not say

:55:17.:55:20.

that people had set out deliberately to mislead. I think it is important

:55:21.:55:24.

that we recognise that. But it is important, also, that we learn the

:55:25.:55:27.

lessons from the Chilcot report and this is' why the national security

:55:28.:55:31.

advisor is leading a piece of work, an exercise to do precisely that.

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This was a long time coming, it was a serious report. There is much in

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it, we need to ensure that we do learn the lessons from it. THE

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SPEAKER: Dr Alasdair McDonnell. Question 6, please. THE SPEAKER: Get

:55:47.:55:51.

in there, man, let's hear it. The Prime Minister will be aware that

:55:52.:55:54.

much of the foundation and many of the elements of the 1988 settlement,

:55:55.:55:59.

the peace agreement in Northern Ireland was referenced and rooted in

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EU approaches and processes of laws and that leaving the EU will

:56:05.:56:08.

significantly destabilise the foundations of that settlement, has

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the Prime Minister given any consideration to the extent of the

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potential damage the EU withdrawal, from the European Union, could do to

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do Good Friday Belfast agreement under the 1998 political settlement

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and does she at this stage have any plan to protect that settlement? Can

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I say to the honourable gentleman, I don't believe there is any reason to

:56:29.:56:31.

believe that the outcome of the referendum will do anything to

:56:32.:56:35.

undermine the absolute rock solid commitment of this Government and

:56:36.:56:37.

the people of Northern Ireland, to the settlement that was set out in

:56:38.:56:43.

the Belfast agreement. And there is and remains strong support for the

:56:44.:56:48.

entirely peaceful future for Northern Ireland. That has been

:56:49.:56:52.

determined by democracy and consent. We remain committed to that and we

:56:53.:56:56.

remain committed to work with others to ensure that entirely peaceful

:56:57.:57:01.

future. THE SPEAKER: Jeremy Lefroy General

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Electrihas shown its confidence in the UK economy and my constituents

:57:08.:57:11.

by starting construction of the second of its two new world class

:57:12.:57:17.

research and manufacturing facilities on Staffordshire County

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Council's redhill business park, would the Prime Minister meet with

:57:22.:57:25.

General Electric and other West Midland manufacturers who hear how

:57:26.:57:29.

important that may have chains and markets, free of tariffs and

:57:30.:57:32.

bureaucracy are of them and their hundreds of thousands of staff. I'm

:57:33.:57:36.

delighted to hear of the commitment made to Stafford but it is more than

:57:37.:57:41.

a commitment to Stafford. It is a commitment to the UK and to the

:57:42.:57:45.

future of our economy here in the UK. I understand my right honourable

:57:46.:57:47.

friend, the international Trade Secretary, has already met with GE,

:57:48.:57:51.

to discuss with them, their interests in trade and what we can

:57:52.:57:55.

be doing to promote free trade. As I have said earlier, I want the UK to

:57:56.:58:00.

be a global leader in free trade and we are listening to businesses

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around the country, in the importance that they place on free

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trade, as we look at the negotiations for exiting the EU.

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Speak Jim Dowd. Is the Prime Minister aware of the recent reports

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showing the continuing and alarming increase in average alcohol

:58:18.:58:20.

consumption in the UK, and particularly, amongst women? Given

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the numerous health risks associated with excessive alcohol consumption,

:58:26.:58:29.

will her Government, together with the drinks industry, reexamine the

:58:30.:58:34.

case for mandatory health warnings on all alcoholic products? Hear

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hear. Well, I recognise what the honourable gentleman raises in terms

:58:40.:58:42.

of the figures that have been shown recently, and particularly the

:58:43.:58:45.

figures in relation to women and the use of alcohol. Of course, I was

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part, as Home Secretary, part of the development of the alcohol strategy

:58:50.:58:52.

that the Government produced a few years ago. I'm pleased to say that

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at that time we were working well with industry to encourage them to

:58:58.:59:02.

ensure that they could take steps to have an impact on the drinking

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habits of the nation. THE SPEAKER: Maggie Troup. Thank you

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Mr Speaker. With the final decision on the eastern route of HS2

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imminent, it is important for the infrastructure, and additional

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traffic this will bring to the areas around the station hubs, with this

:59:24.:59:27.

in mind will my honourable friend back my campaign for a new phase of

:59:28.:59:33.

the M1 to ensure that Erewash residents don't get stuck in a jam?

:59:34.:59:38.

I seem to recall I first met my honourable friend when she was

:59:39.:59:41.

campaigning on an issue in relation to motorways and she's absolutely

:59:42.:59:45.

right, in order to support the rail infrastructure, we need to ensure

:59:46.:59:48.

that the right roads infrastructure is there. And that's why we are

:59:49.:59:52.

investing ?15 billion in the road investment strategy. That's about

:59:53.:59:57.

boasting local economies and boasting growth and seeing further

:59:58.:00:00.

economic growth. I understand highways England ark looking at the

:00:01.:00:03.

issues in the eefted Midlands and looking at Brigging forward

:00:04.:00:08.

significant new road enhancements around the site of the East Midlands

:00:09.:00:12.

HS2 station and going forward, they are looking at an audit of roads in

:00:13.:00:16.

the area. I trust my honourable friend will make her voice heard on

:00:17.:00:19.

this issue and that of her constituents as she has done in the

:00:20.:00:23.

past Can I return the Prime Minister to the answer she gave to my friend

:00:24.:00:28.

for Hull. Because the Conservative manifesto promised shorter NHS

:00:29.:00:32.

waiting times for those who need help with their mental health. But

:00:33.:00:37.

as prescriptions for antidepressants still rise, my constituents in

:00:38.:00:41.

Wirral, who need talking therapies, have to wait a month for referral,

:00:42.:00:46.

and well over four months for treatment. So was that Tory

:00:47.:00:50.

manifesto just words, or will the Prime Minister ever deliver?

:00:51.:00:55.

Hear, hear. I gave a serious answer to her

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honourable friend, which is that we have been looking at the whole issue

:01:00.:01:04.

of talking therapies and the availability of talking they are

:01:05.:01:07.

pains the waiting times that relate to talking therapies. And we do want

:01:08.:01:11.

to improve the options that people have for having access to talking

:01:12.:01:15.

therapies, precisely because they have been shown to be so successful

:01:16.:01:19.

in so many cases. So this is something that the Government is

:01:20.:01:22.

working on. We will continue to work on it to provide, as we have said,

:01:23.:01:27.

that parity of esteem between mental health and physical health in the

:01:28.:01:32.

National Health Service. As a former Wimbledonian my right

:01:33.:01:35.

honourable friend will understand the significant of transport for

:01:36.:01:38.

south-west London and in particular for Wimbledon. Could my right

:01:39.:01:43.

honourable friend assure me the Government still supports CrossRail

:01:44.:01:46.

2 and will she ask the Secretary of State it set out the timetable for

:01:47.:01:50.

the delayed consultation? Well, I can absolutely give the commitment

:01:51.:01:54.

that we continue to support CrossRail 2. We are waiting to see a

:01:55.:02:01.

probust business case and a proper funding proposal in relation to

:02:02.:02:06.

CrossRail 2. My right honourable friend, the Transport Secretary will

:02:07.:02:09.

he be setting out what the timetable in relation to this is, but I can

:02:10.:02:14.

assure my honourable friend, as a former Wimbledon, we are well aware

:02:15.:02:18.

of his interest in the Wimbledon to Waterloo aspect of this and the

:02:19.:02:22.

needs of the local area are being taken into account.

:02:23.:02:28.

THE SPEAKER: Yash minute Qureshi. Mr Speaker, in the Indian-occupied

:02:29.:02:31.

Kashmir, over the last three months, 150 people have died, 600 blinded by

:02:32.:02:38.

the deliberate use of pellet guns, over 16,000 injured, many critical,

:02:39.:02:42.

you unexplained disappearances, food and medicine shortages. Would the

:02:43.:02:45.

Prime Minister meet with me and cross-party colleagues to discuss

:02:46.:02:50.

the human rights abuses and the issue of self-determination for

:02:51.:02:55.

Kashmiri people, as set out in the resolution of the UN in 1958 and can

:02:56.:02:59.

she raise this matter with the Indian Prime Minister? THE SPEAKER:

:03:00.:03:02.

Extremely grateful to the honourable lady. The Prime Minister? Well the

:03:03.:03:07.

honourable lady sets out her case and the issues she has identified in

:03:08.:03:11.

relation to this. I take the same view this Government has, since it

:03:12.:03:14.

came into power and indeed previously, which is that the issue

:03:15.:03:20.

of Kashmir is a matter for India and Pakistan to deal with and sort out

:03:21.:03:25.

but the Foreign Secretary has heard her representations and I'm sure

:03:26.:03:28.

will be interested in taking those issues up with her.

:03:29.:03:33.

Thank you, Mr Speaker. Several months ago, I raised the issue of

:03:34.:03:38.

enhanced medical assistance for the Kurdish Peshmerga with the former

:03:39.:03:42.

Prime Minister at his last PMGs and wrote it the new Prime Minister. But

:03:43.:03:48.

now with a campaign to liberate Mosul ongoing, will my honourable

:03:49.:03:51.

friend agree it meet with me and representatives of Kurdish regional

:03:52.:03:54.

Government to discuss if we can provide specialist medical

:03:55.:03:58.

facilities here in the UK, for instance, ten beds for seriously

:03:59.:04:01.

wounded Peshmerga and ensure the forces on the ground are getting all

:04:02.:04:04.

the support they need, I understand they are sort of heavy weapons and

:04:05.:04:10.

basic infantry equipment like helmets anded abouty armour. My

:04:11.:04:12.

honourable friend is right and I recognise this is an issue he has

:04:13.:04:16.

raised before. I would first say, obviously, what we have seen is the

:04:17.:04:19.

that the coalition activity that is taking place is actually having some

:04:20.:04:22.

impact and is having an impact, as we wish it to, in relation to Daesh.

:04:23.:04:28.

There aren't plans, at the moment, either to undertake, or do what we

:04:29.:04:33.

he has suggested in hi question or to provide a field hospital, and

:04:34.:04:38.

field medical capabilities from the United Kingdom but we do continually

:04:39.:04:42.

review what we are doing in terms of support of the coalition and of

:04:43.:04:46.

course we are also, as part of the training that we are providing for

:04:47.:04:50.

the Peshmerga, that does include training and the provision of

:04:51.:04:56.

medical facilities. Mr Speakerer I am esure we all recognise that the

:04:57.:04:59.

removal of the camp attical clay is not a long of it term Will term

:05:00.:05:03.

solution to the humanitarian crisis but account Prime Minister tell us

:05:04.:05:06.

what the Government is going to do to learn from the experiences in

:05:07.:05:09.

Calais and speed up acceptance of vulnerable individuals as committed

:05:10.:05:13.

to under the Lord Dubb scheme? Individuals are already being

:05:14.:05:16.

brought to the United Kingdom under the amendment, in addition to the

:05:17.:05:21.

resettlement scheme for vulnerable Syrians we have, the 20,000 that

:05:22.:05:24.

will be brought to the UK over the course of this Parliament. And in

:05:25.:05:28.

addition to the 3,000 vulnerable people, children and others, who we

:05:29.:05:33.

will be bringing from the Middle East and North Africa, working with

:05:34.:05:38.

UNHCR and all of these to make sure that it is right for the individuals

:05:39.:05:42.

to come here to the UK and they have the support when they get here but I

:05:43.:05:46.

would remind the honourable gentleman that it is this country

:05:47.:05:51.

who is the second biggest by lateral donor in relation to humanitarian

:05:52.:05:54.

aid in the region and we are able to provide and support more people in

:05:55.:05:58.

region and that's the right thing to do. Around Heathrow legal air

:05:59.:06:06.

quality limb Ritz being breached. Over Twickenham, noise pollution has

:06:07.:06:09.

increased, according to Heathrow data. Account Prime Minister explain

:06:10.:06:17.

how a third runway can be delivered and comply with pollution legal

:06:18.:06:22.

requirements? Does she agree, environmentally, Heathrow is not

:06:23.:06:27.

good enough, and cannot possibly be both bigger and better? The

:06:28.:06:34.

Government looked very closely at this issue of air quality and

:06:35.:06:39.

environmental impact of all three schemes that were proposed by the

:06:40.:06:43.

airports commission. We took extra time to look at those, that was the

:06:44.:06:48.

decision to take increased airport capacity in the south-east. We

:06:49.:06:51.

wanted to look more particularly at the air quality issues. The evidence

:06:52.:06:55.

shows that air quality standards can be met, as required by all three of

:06:56.:06:59.

the schemes, including the north-west runway at Heathrow. But

:07:00.:07:03.

my honourable friend raises an issue that is actually about more than

:07:04.:07:06.

airports, because the question of air quality is also about road

:07:07.:07:10.

transport and that's why we are looking to do more in relation to

:07:11.:07:14.

what we are doing for air quality. It is y for example, I'm pleased to

:07:15.:07:19.

see we are such a leading edge in the provision of electric vehicles.

:07:20.:07:24.

Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister's real plan for Brexit seems to be to

:07:25.:07:29.

pick winners, to cut a special deal for the City of London, to get the

:07:30.:07:34.

bankers avoid the dire consequences of leaving their economic unions.

:07:35.:07:41.

Wales has an exporting economy with a ?5 billion trade surplus last year

:07:42.:07:47.

and 200,000 jobs dependent on trade with the European Union. A soft

:07:48.:07:51.

Brexit for her friends in the City, a hard Brexit for everyone else.

:07:52.:07:54.

Will she cut a similar deal for Wales?

:07:55.:07:59.

I will be cutting the best deal for the United Kingdom, all parts. THE

:08:00.:08:07.

SPEAKER: George Freeman Referry year hunces of people are diagnosed or

:08:08.:08:14.

die prematurely from rare diseases like cystic fibrosis or rare cancers

:08:15.:08:21.

for which there is no treatment or drugs are prohibitively expensive.

:08:22.:08:26.

This week there has been a very view to get quicker access to other med

:08:27.:08:32.

sip, will the Prime Minister welcome that and encourage NICE and NHS

:08:33.:08:38.

England to implement it speedily? I certainly join my honourable friend

:08:39.:08:41.

in welcoming the publication of the review, this in terms of patients

:08:42.:08:45.

being able it get quicker access to drugs and treatments. It is, I

:08:46.:08:48.

think, the United Kingdom has established a leading role in

:08:49.:08:52.

relation it the life sciences, I would pay tribute to my honourable

:08:53.:08:56.

friend for the role he has played in developing life sciences here in the

:08:57.:08:59.

UK. I know the Department of health will be looking closely at the

:09:00.:09:02.

specific recommendations from that report but will be doing so in the

:09:03.:09:08.

light of recognising that if we can take opportunities to, through the

:09:09.:09:10.

National Health Service, to be encouraging the development of the

:09:11.:09:13.

new drugs, for the benefits of patients we should do so.

:09:14.:09:17.

Thank you, Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister just told us that

:09:18.:09:21.

there are record lefls of spending go into our mental health services.

:09:22.:09:25.

Her Health Secretary stood at that despatch box on 9th December and

:09:26.:09:29.

told us the proportion of funding go noop mental health from every one of

:09:30.:09:33.

our CCGs should be increasing Y is it, then that 57% of CCGs in our

:09:34.:09:38.

country are reducing the proportion of spend in mental health? Yet

:09:39.:09:43.

another broken promise. When will we have real equality for mental health

:09:44.:09:46.

in our country? The fact that I set out that we are spending record

:09:47.:09:50.

levels in the NHS on mental health is absolutely right but I have said

:09:51.:09:53.

in response to a number of people who have questioned on this, that we

:09:54.:09:57.

recognise that there is more for us to do in mental health. I would have

:09:58.:10:01.

thought we should have cross-party support on doing just that.

:10:02.:10:06.

Thank you, Mr speaker, outside Downing Street on the day she became

:10:07.:10:09.

Prime Minister, my right honourable friend said - if you suffer from

:10:10.:10:12.

mental health problems there is not enough help to hand. Can I welcome

:10:13.:10:16.

my right honourable friend's commitment to mental health,

:10:17.:10:19.

expressed on that day... Hear hear...

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And in her responses today and can I ask her what steps she has taken to

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make sure the Boldewijn ambitions of the Government's five-year plan for

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mental health are reachieved? Well I'm pleased to say, that what we

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see, far far from the impression given by some of the comments

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opposite since 2009-15 around 750,000 more people are accesses

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talking therapies and 1,400 more people are accessing mental health

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services every day, compared to 2010. So that's up by 40%. But my

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honourable friend, who I know has a particular interest in this issue,

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and a particular expertise in this area, is right that we need to do

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more and that's why we are continuing to invest in mental

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health services and continuing to increase the standards we provide.

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Final poly, Mr Greg Mulholland. Just 20 children are diagnosed with

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uninoperable brain tumours as a result of a disease every year, and

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NHS England turned that down for funding, despite being affordable.

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Will she meet with me and the families affected by this particular

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issue, to discuss how the families can get the treatment these children

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need? I'm happy to look at the issue the honourable gentleman has raised

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and look in detail about what can be done to take that forward.

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Prime Minister's Questions has come to an end. A bit earlier than last

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week. Mr Corbyn devoted his first questions about Brexit, asking the

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Prime Minister to clarify and clear up the uncertainty. We did not get

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very far on other people asking questions. The Prime Minister said

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something significant and we will come back to that in a moment. We

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moved on after bringing Baldrick into the questions. We moved on to

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Saudi Arabia and the Yemen with the human rights commission. Many people

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wondered why they were on the human rights commission. Mr Corbyn moved

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on to Yemen and again we did not really get very clear questions from

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the Prime Minister. Angus Robertson, the leader of the Scottish

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Nationalists in the House of Commons asked about Aleppo. He brought up

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the issue of the Spanish refuelling this Russian task force that sailed

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through the English Channel and is now in the Mediterranean. Whether we

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should press the Spanish not to do it. Again the Prime Minister did not

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really answer the question. We see on the BBC website that the Spanish

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government is reconsidering it. Probably too late for this convoy.

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They are being refuelled on the northern coast of Africa and juts

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into Morocco. It is really Spain's Gibraltar was that they own this

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sliver of land in the Moroccan area. That is where the refuelling has

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been done. The biggest story of the week has been Heathrow. Not a single

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mention, which frankly baffles me, on the Prime Minister Pozner speech

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during the referendum to Goldman Sachs and no mention either I don't

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think of the upcoming by-election Mr Goldsmith has triggered. You could

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not say PMQ has its fingers on the national news pulse. Viewers

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followed the line of the debate at the dispatch box. Brexit is an

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unfortunate chain of questions. The primers to have often said she will

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give a running commentary. -- the Prime Minister. The we ever know the

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long-term economic and trade plan for Brexit? I agree with Baldrick,

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the Government shows no signs of having a plan.

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While right to raise issues around the bombing in Yemen, interesting Mr

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Corbyn makes no reference to the evil being delivered on the people

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of Aleppo Cracknell offer any useful advice on the matter. This from

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Peter. Disgraceful that the Prime Minister could not answer the

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question about the refuelling of Russian warships by Spanish

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authorities. They are on their way to bomb the last remaining citizens

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of Aleppo. The Prime Minister is not putting any pressure on Spain to

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stop this action. They say they are reviewing it. They are under some

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pressure from Nato but probably too late for the refuelling of that

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particular Russian flotilla. Let's hope if they did refuel it hit would

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be cleaner fuel than what it was using going through the English

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Channel. New pictures are coming in from the

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Calais so-called Jungle camp. It is quite dramatic, the pictures. The

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fires have now taken. Some report suggest it was a group of anarchists

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that set the fire is going. We have no evidence it was the refugees or

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asylum seekers. What has happened but as you can see, it actually

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looks like a scene from the Middle East with burning oil wells. These

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are the camp is going up in flames. It seems there was a lot of gas

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canister cooking facilities around. The refugees had to cook for

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themselves and make their own meals. The fire has hit that, causing a

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number of explosions. Some reports are saying the fires are now out of

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control. Dramatic pictures from the Calais camp. Laura, what did we

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learn during Prime Minister's Questions? Not very much. Jeremy

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Corbyn is better in PMQs when he was back he is not laser-like in his

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focus will start he does not or is picked on the hottest political

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issues of the day. We are starting to learn that Theresa May is a class

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act and not answering the question. Some people might have noticed there

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was a small story about an academic at York who has studied this.

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Studied how good politicians are at trying to dodge questions

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effectively. Theresa May scores incredibly highly, elegantly and

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evasively, saying nothing whatsoever. It was not a good

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session. Some people are reading it, I do not know the fact words. People

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are doing detailed textual analysis of what she says. There was an

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implication she had not ruled out not staying in the single market. I

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did not quite get that. People pounce on every nuance, misspoken

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word, at the moment. That is because we have so little information. The

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same happened at her press conference at the end of the

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Brussels summit last week. Had she tweaked the formulation that she

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wants to operate in the single market? That phrase was first used

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at the party conference. Essentially, when you talk to people

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about this privately, you talk to ministers who are involved, people

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in Number 10. They insist that nothing is ruled in or ruled out. If

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you look at what Theresa May has said in public, particularly the

:18:21.:18:24.

suggestion that she is firm and we will leave the restriction of the

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European Court of human justice, the application is it would be

:18:30.:18:32.

impossible for us to stay in the single market. The vote leaves

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campaign, whatever people campaigning against the hard Brexit

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now say, they were explicit in the campaign that it would mean leaving

:18:41.:18:44.

the single market. However, behind-the-scenes, again and again,

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I have been told nothing is ruled in and nothing has been ruled out. The

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most interesting reason is Cabinet ministers cannot yet agree what it

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should look like. As you and I discussed before, because the cast

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of characters around a table in Europe will change the match before

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our negotiations get anywhere with the French and German elections in

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other countries, there is a limit to how much point there is with the UK

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Government is putting forward what they want to do before they know

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what they might get. Briefly, there is an interesting echo. This time

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last year the same thing was happening with David Cameron's

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renegotiation of the European Union. People were saying, Britain has to

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tell us what we want. There came no answer and the pressure built and we

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ended up with a letter to Donald Tusk and everything else. There is

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not a totally blank page. I once had a tutor University who did thesis on

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why some Soviet candidates got 99.98% of the vote instead of 99

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point 97 of the vote. That is the kind of thing that is going on at

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the moment. Why would you not, even just for fun, mention the Prime

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Minister's speech to Goldman Sachs? No great surprise that someone who

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was a remainer gave that style of speech but as a supporter of

:20:15.:20:19.

ordinary working class people, what was she doing speaking to Goldman

:20:20.:20:25.

Sachs? I think because he may not pick up what the Westminster world

:20:26.:20:28.

regards as the hottest topics of the day but he is picking up the biggest

:20:29.:20:35.

topics beyond Westminster. He was right to talk about Brexit and the

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card questions. It is exposing the Prime Minister for having no answer

:20:40.:20:45.

on the customs union nor the Northern Ireland potential border,

:20:46.:20:52.

nor access to the single market. I think he came out 1-0 ahead. Is

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Labour in favour of staying in the customs union? Yes. If you want the

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full access to the single market, the customs union is intrinsically

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linked with that. As an ex-customs minister, I know what it is like

:21:09.:21:12.

when you have to face customs borders. I understand that. It makes

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business and trade more difficult. It is a prize we need to go for. By

:21:20.:21:25.

definition, Britain out of the EU, on your formulation about would not

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be able to do its own free trade deals? My formulation, one of the

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aims I would go into these negotiations with. One of the ways

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of getting around this constant textual analysis of what the Prime

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Minister has said is for the Government. It is in the Court of

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the Government to negotiate the best deal for Britain, to spell out its

:21:47.:21:52.

negotiating aims. If I were doing that, one of my aims would be

:21:53.:21:57.

remaining in the customs union. That means he would not be able to do our

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own free trade deals. This is... That is the situation. The clue is

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in the words, customs union. They do their own customs. If you're in

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that, you cannot do your own free trade deal. I believe we are moving

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in... The Brexit arrangements and Brexit negotiations herald a new era

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in international trade arrangements. That is a different matter. It may

:22:29.:22:32.

be the case now but not necessarily the case as we come to try to do our

:22:33.:22:38.

own deals. We can do our own deals if we stay in the customs union. I

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would doubt as I think we will see in two years' time, some of the

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arrangements, some of the terms of trade deals with other countries,

:22:49.:22:55.

trading. -- changing. I do not see that as a show stopper. That

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situation is clear as night follows day at the moment. That is not even

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a matter of argument, that you cannot do your own free trade deals

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if you're in the customs union. That is why the leaders said they wanted

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to leave the customs union. Let me move on for that this is a

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government policy we should leave the customs union. The Prime

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Minister said, there is no point analysing different words. She would

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not give a running commentary. I am not asking for a running commentary,

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actually a rather basic question. Since Liam Fox is running around

:23:40.:23:43.

asking about all the great trade deals he will do with Australia,

:23:44.:23:47.

Canada, even the United States, New Zealand. It therefore must be

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governed policy that you are leaving the customs union. Theresa May has

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been very clear. We have not taken decisions on what is our negotiating

:23:57.:24:03.

brief yet. At the time we do, that will all be set out. No, no forced

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on you answer these questions. These are important issues for people who

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depend on export trade and imports. Neither of you can give any answers.

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You can send a mounting frustration. They can sense mine. If we stay in

:24:20.:24:26.

the customs union, we cannot do our own free trade deals. The European

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Union will do them on our behalf. One thing that Theresa May has

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said... You tell me! The arrangement we may be able to negotiate may not

:24:39.:24:42.

conform to a stock arrangement that is currently bears. One of the

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reasons she said she will not give a running commentary... Even a walking

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commentary would be fine. A stumbling commentary I would settle

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for. If we stay in the customs union, Brussels does our own free

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trade deals. We cannot do a free trade deal with America if the

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customs union is already negotiating a free trade deal. What it don't I

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understand? What the Prime Minister has said, and I will repeat. The

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Prime Minister has been clear about this. We're not going to specify

:25:18.:25:23.

what our negotiating mandate is until we have decided in every

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respect and it will be set out. Thanks for coming here. I think I

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gave a running commentary. You could be in trouble. I am not going to

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give a running commentary on the next item.

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Now if you ever feel let down by our real leaders at PMQs,

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perhaps instead you find yourself turning to the simpler world

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But which political characters in literature and television

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Well, in answer to this, surely one of the great unanswered

:25:50.:25:53.

questions of our time, one academic has conducted a survey.

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Of the 49 MPs who responded, the rest of them were perhaps too

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The clear winner picked by 22% of those MPs is Jed Bartlett,

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the US President in Aaron Sorkins' long-running and rather soppy TV

:26:12.:26:16.

Perhaps unsurprisingly as President Bartlett is a Democrat,

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he was the overwhelming favourite of Labour MPs.

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In second place, with 18%, the authors have combined the votes

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for Francis Urquhart and Francis Underwood.

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Both are the scheming anti-hero of House of Cards,

:26:37.:26:38.

first as a British book and TV series and later a huge

:26:39.:26:41.

And coming in tied for third with 6% - which is a whopping

:26:42.:26:46.

couple of mentions each - is everyone's dream ticket

:26:47.:26:49.

of Yes Minister's Jim Hacker and Borgen's Birgitte Nyborg.

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Well, to discuss this, we're joined by Professor Steven Fielding

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He's written a book looking at the changing way politicians have

:26:56.:27:01.

been reflected in fiction since the Victorian period.

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Welcome to the programme. Were you surprised that Jed Bartlett came top

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of the survey? No, not really. He obviously... We asked MPs to say why

:27:17.:27:22.

they chose him. He expresses their ideal. He combines idealism with

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pragmatism. He is witty, he is learning. As one MP ended, if only

:27:29.:27:32.

they could all be like that, or their own leaders could be like

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that. That was the thing. What is interesting, only Labour MPs picked

:27:37.:27:42.

Jed Bartlett. Only Labour MPs! Right. Oh, right. Not a hero for the

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Conservatives. One Conservative did pick a West Wing character but not

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Jed Bartlett. It was called the left wing by critics. Nevertheless I was

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surprised not a single Conservative MP did it. Maybe we need to know if

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more Conservative MPs contributed to the survey. What made me laugh was

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Alan starred was picked by one Tory MP and Mayor Jo Quimby from the

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Simpsons was picked. Thank you very much.

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There's just time to put you out of your misery and give

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Press the red buzzer and we will find out the winner. It is Baldrick!

:28:29.:28:38.

Jo Fisher in Birkenhead. The one o'clock news is starting

:28:39.:28:43.

over on BBC One now. I'll be back here at noon tomorrow

:28:44.:28:46.

with all the big political stories They have something on me

:28:47.:28:52.

that I can actually remember. The final chapter between

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Gibson and Spector.

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Business secretary Greg Clark and shadow housing minister John Healey join Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn. As well as live coverage of PMQs they discuss the government's decision to build a third runway at Heathrow and the clearing of the migrant camp in Calais. Plus a look at how politicians are portrayed in TV dramas with Professor Steven Fielding from the University of Nottingham.


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