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It will be "a great thing", and Britain is "smart to get out".
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The Northern Ireland Government is on the verge of collapse
as the deadline approaches for the appointment
of a new Deputy First Minister, after the resignation of Martin
Should MPs and peers stay put during the proposed ?3.5 billion
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of the programme today are two of British politics'
campaigner Dominic Raab who now sits of the Brexit Select Committee.
And former Shadow Cabinet Minister Mary Creagh.
So, the man who will be US President by the end of the week has
love-bombed Britain, confirming what a big fan
Donald Trump's intervention comes as more details emerge of the stance
the UK will adopt in negotiations with the EU.
Tomorrow, Theresa May makes her big speech on leaving the EU,
where she is expected to push for a so-called "hard Brexit",
prioritising immigration controls and take us out of the customs union
Meanwhile, Chancellor Phillip Hammond, in an interview with German
newspaper Welt am Sonntag, warned that if the EU limits UK
market access after Brexit, Britain could look at an alternative
economic model, seen as a warning to the EU that UK could further
In an interview in the Times with former Conservative Cabinet
Minister Michael Gove, Donald Trump, who will become
President on Friday, said that a trade deal with the UK
would come "very quickly" and be done "properly".
He said it would be "good for both sides".
Mr Trump said he would be meeting Theresa May "right after I get
The President-elect said he had "great respect" for Angela Merkel,
but said that she made "one very catastrophic mistake" by opening
Germany's doors to what he called "all of these illegals from wherever
The European Union, Mr Trump said, is "a vehicle for Germany"
which is why Britain was right to get out.
He predicted other countries would soon follow Britain's lead.
I thought the UK was so smart in getting out.
And you were there, and you guys wrote it and put
Trump said that Brexit is going to happen.
Obama said they'd go to the back of the line,
meaning, if it does happen, and then he had to retract.
Are his comments on getting a quick deal a vindication of the Brexit
referendum? I think they are one instruction of
where the EU tried and failed to get a free trade deal, there are others
from Latin America to China and India, and shows Britain outside the
EU is well-placed to do those deals. Huge benefits for jobs, cutting
prices in the country it confirms what is already written into the
political and business markets, there are advantages and it is clear
we will have those. Can you trust Donald Trump to
deliver a trade deal? The truth is, as with all trade
deals with the US, we have to go through Congress. We have a new
president taking the opportunity of saying there is a win- win. His
language was interesting. That must be better than under President
Barack Obama who said we are at the back of the queue.
The rhetoric is better. It is nonsense. Looking at that photo of
Michael Gove, I was struck by the words, Lala land. No trade deal is
seen as completely fair on both sides. It can only take place after
2019 when we can leave the EU at earliest. Michael Gove says he wants
agencies -- a transitional vote. Trump won the election saying he was
against open trade, against the trade deal with the TE TEP. A
protectionist president. The idea he will open up to our market, we Stade
Toulousain our food standards and assurances.
He has a track record of God had it in himself -- to our market, we will
lose our food standards. But this cannot happen until we
leave the EU so it cannot be that quick. The EU commission has
reiterated that timetable, no free trade deal can be confirmed until
the UK has left the EU. I can understand why those on the
Remain side are disappointed. But it must be a good thing America with
its massive market is saying, we are up for this.
But not before 2019. We couldn't sign it before then. But
people have been talking about 20 years to do this deal. But it is a
priority for him. I am not sure why someone the other side feel so
disappointed by something which must be good news for British firms, jobs
and consumer prices. How can you be confident it will be
good news? It may well be, and they will want to hear more about the
deal. But, if you look at TTIP, which predates him, there was a lot
of concern about opening up our health service. People believe there
could have been public services opened up to the American privately
owned company, could that happen with a trade deal?
I think it is rather flawed. The way it was characterised was
wrong. But what was particularly subject to criticism was the dispute
settlement mechanism. The advantage of being outside the EU is we have
our own dispute settlement division which would kill this scaremongering
about the NHS. Looking at the UK economy, Mark
Carney, who was sceptical about post-Brexit, has said the economy is
growing faster than predicted. Now we have Donald Trump saying he can
get a quick trade deal. Brexit does seem to be working at the moment.
Brexit has not happened yet. The referendum, Mark Carney took very
strong action in the weeks following the referendum in order to shore up
the British economy. In the Autumn Statement from Philip Hammond, we
saw a ?59 billion black hole. What economic evidence is there to
say in the aftermath of the referendum the economy has tanked?
The reduction in our tax intake is the evidence of the economy has not
done as well. Downgrading the economy, the fact the pound is
trading... Hang on.
We are the fastest growing economy in the G7. In the aftermath of June,
growth went up, not down. Mark Carney dudes some action for
quantitive easing to stave off a shock to the UK economy -- Mark
Carney took action. The action the bank of England governor took has
postponed that shock. You are still expecting there to be
a shock? And the pound is now trading down.
The markets have reacted to some extent to what Theresa May is going
to say and Philip Hammond did say about taking action if you can't get
the deal you want with the EU. Are you worried? People might have said
the pound was overvalued, if it continues to slide and stayed at a
low level for a sustained period, that will hurt people.
15% devotion is pretty healthy. Mervyn King said the economy is
better placed to shift from a consumer spending model... You
haven't heard... He said better placed
post-referendum to move to a manufacturing and exporting model.
Actually, devaluation within certain parameters is a good thing.
For exports, it is better. No, our exports are made using
dollar traded, euro traded imports. Most things made in this country are
from components from outside the country.
Manufactures in Wakefield are concerned their prices are going up
and they cannot put their export prices up as much.
The construction industry is entering recession.
But it is going up, inflation. The global talent competitive
rankings have written post-Brexit moving up from seventh to third. We
need to be a competitive country driving growth, looking out to the
world. The EU is important but the point about Brexit, is actually that
the real opportunities for the future for businesses and consumers
as will be the growth markets. We export more to parts of Europe
and the idea we will leave this market, we are leaving it.
These are two different things. We are almost certainly going to leave
being a formal member of the customs union. But the opportunities...
To retain strong trade is acknowledged on the European side.
But not by those who are disappointed those outcomes had not
come to fruition. We'll get merry back on to
scrutinise this. Do you agree more countries will
leave the EU? I hope not. I don't think they will
because there is a mood... I was in Brussels in November, and there is a
determination from European leaders the EU will not fall apart as a
result of our vote. Some of the other statements less scrutinised by
Trump, dropping sanctions on Russia, and talking about native being
obsolete, these are things which will affect our security in the
months to come. What will Theresa May tomorrow say?
What would you like to hear about our negotiating position?
She has been clear since October the things we are not going to do, being
faithful to the referendum verdict, not subject to the free movement.
Get control over immigration, not subject to ECJ jurisdiction.
What we now need to do is turn the page and start talking with
confidence, the economy has proved resilient, and with a general state
of spirit, looking for the win- win. The EU is a flawed political club.
We still want strong trade, security cooperation. We are going into that
and Theresa May will spelt this out, the positive case for our
post-Brexit relationship with Europe.
And the unity between both sides? I don't agree with Donald Trump on
Russia but that is an illustration where the EU is irrelevant and
outside the EU we can demonstrate we can be a strong ally to our native
friends. The Chancellor implied if he
couldn't get a trade deal, Britain would take other action. -- Can be a
strong ally with our Nato friends. I do not want to see us moving to a
low welfare, no regulation type of offshoot of the US. That is a wrong
feature and not what people voted for in the referendum.
Theresa May is used to appearing in the newspapers.
But we learnt over the weekend that she's about to take a starring role
So, our question for today is, which magazine
At the end of the show, Dominic and Mary will give
pubs he doesn't know. He might know which one it isn't, put it that way.
Top gear. The Northern Ireland government
is on the verge of collapse this afternoon which could force
the Secretary of State, James Brokenshire,
to call fresh elections. At the moment we can't go to
Northern Ireland so we are going to talk about Parliament in terms of
the restoration. MPs and peers are being asked
to move out of the Houses of Parliament for five to eight
years whilst a ?3.5 billion But now, up to 100 MPs
of all parties are backing which allow them to remain
in the Palace of Westminster The Conservative MP
Shailesh Vara is one of them. This beautiful Gothic revival
celebration of democracy, designed by Charles Barry,
is almost 150 years old. And now it's due for
another major repair job. A recent report by my fellow MPs
and peers on the restoration and renewal of the Palace
of Westminster has recommended that the Commons and peers together
with all the other people who work on the site should leave the Palace
whilst work is carried out. The argument is that this
would be the cheaper option, rather than work being carried out
whilst we stay on-site. If this proposal does go ahead then
the Commons would move into the Department of Health along
Whitehall just along there and the Lords would move
into the QE2 Centre just The figures that are used
in the report don't take account The loss of revenue
at the QE2 Centre. Or the ?600 million that would be
spent in patch-up work before In fact, the report itself says that
significantly more work needs to be done before budgets can
be properly costed. Hardly surprising therefore
that the powerful and influential Treasury Select Committee
is carrying out an investigation We are told that the work needs
to be done urgently. So urgently that the full decant
would take place in six years' time. Instead, I'm suggesting that work
commences immediately Much of it in the basement
where lights are needed So if the work is done
round the clock in three shifts instead of one,
then clearly the timeframe would be Following the referendum result,
at a time when we need to make new friends abroad and secure
favourable trade agreements, we should be making the most of this
iconic building that is Parliament. At this crucial time,
it is absurd that we should be seeking to sell UK PLC
from a temporary building in the courtyard of
the Department of Health. The notion that we should be leaving
the Palace of Westminster for the convenience of the builders
is simply wrong. The Palace comprises
of some eight acres. There is plenty of room here for us
to stay while the work And Shailesh Vara joins us now,
as does the Labour MP, Chris Bryant, who sits of the Restoration
and Renewal Joint Committee. Welcome to both of you. Why can't
the restoration work be done around MPs while they remain in the Palace
of Westminster? There is restoration work to another moment, the rooms
are being done because there was a strange construction, one metre
square cast-iron slab put in in the 19th century, and that work can go
on now but what can't go on now is the major mechanical and electrical
engineering business that needs to be tackled. You only showed a tiny
proportion of that. It is the pipes. The building has 1.2 miles of
corridor in the basement and that is now chock-a-block with cables,
high-pressure steam central heating system next to electrical cables,
you would never put them next to each other and asbestos. Why are you
waiting to start the work if it's that urgent? Because we've got to do
it properly, strip out the electrics in the whole building, there's only
one drainage system and ends up just underneath the speakers Gardens and
so you can't split the building up into bits. I understand lots of MPs
would like to stay sitting in the chamber. That's what we did in the
19th century which led to a dramatic increase in the cost, and meant it
overran by 42 years. If that problem will have now. They have done the
work on it. You have come to it later. They have been through
endless research and quotes and budgets and surveys of the whole
building. Surely they are best placed to know what will cost less
and be the most efficient in terms of carrying out this work? I don't
accept that because anyone who reads the report will see it abundantly
clear they start off with the premise they want us out. Why would
they want that? The report only quotes people who say we should
leave. The fact is that the report makes a passing acknowledgement that
they could work there. They could do 12 stages and I think it's important
to remember 74% of the work is cables and pipes, much of it
underground, so there's no reason why a lot of the work can't carry on
underground. It only gives recognition to having one shift of
work. I'm sorry, the facts are wrong. They are not wrong. You are
just wrong about this. It's not all underground. There's only one
electric system, there's only one central heating system,
high-pressure steam system which is very unusual in the UK. You got to
take it out in one go. You can do that over the summer holidays? No,
it will take several years. There are 98 risers and at any moment if
you had a fire like we had the other day, completely inaccessible to the
fire patrols which go around 24 hours a day, because our building is
exempt from the fire regulations in the rest of the country, it would
spread throughout the building very rapidly. Our report only refers to
people saying you have to move out, that's because we asked every expert
could we stay in and they all said no, you've got to move out otherwise
it will cost more. Experts are not popular necessary following the
referendum but do you think it would be worth listening to them? No,...
Well, that was fairly clear! Visit a number of experts have given them
the answers they want. At the time the Brexit, we should make sure we
make the most use of this iconic building, parliament. Imagine our
opponents overseas, going out on our own, and saying, this is the new
headquarters of the UK Parliament. What if it falls into disrepair? It
won't. Why are they proposing six years? On one hand, they say there's
going to be a catastrophe if we don't do the work urgently and then
they want to do it in six years. In the meantime, they will spend ?100
million every year on catch up work. Sorry, you've already done a film.
The opening paragraph of the report says a significant amount of work
needs to be done to ascertain the problem of budgets. Hang on, let
Chris speak. It sounds to me like there's been work done, quite a few
interviews on the in-depth research done into this issue. There may be a
huge number of caveats but when you look at the project now and the cost
element, ?3.5 billion, are you saying that the cost would double if
you didn't move out and work around MPs and peers? That's the experience
of the 19th century and I can't see why are we any different. Let Chris
answer. The truth is, just one basic point, because there is one set of
electrics and all the rest of it, if you want to stay in the building,
and keep a bit of the building open during the work, you have got to put
temporary electrics and all the rest in and that immediately adds an
extra amount to the cost, added to which, as I understand it, his
proposal is the Commons should sit in the House of Lords and the Lords
should go in the gallery like happened in the Second World War but
the problem is, the Second World War, there were no divisions and
about 30 people turned up everyday. You are suggesting we would move
every day when there is a vote, 650 MPs going from portcullis house to
the House of Lords, walking along a public payment, the biggest security
risk you can imagine. Cut this objection actually delay the sale
process? That's my biggest anxiety. The government needs to allow the
House of Commons and the House of Lords, two different bodies, to make
their own decision about what had happened and the first thing is, we
shouldn't be saying let's do this, done, we should say, let's set up a
delivery authority like we did for the Olympics to make sure there's
proper coherent body of people and they can put together the business
plan. Six years to do that? The business plan will be ready in 18
months' time. We looked at this for one year. Are you prepared to move
out? First of all, I deferred to the infinitely superior knowledge of the
House of Commons. Although they don't agree. I will make whatever
solution works the best. I would like to say the least disruption for
the lowest cost and those other two big entities. It's the classic
construction dilemma, like working on the tube and railways forth the
evidence is, if you work on a live system could cost you twice as much
and take three times as long so my evidence from being Shadow Transport
Secretary, it's always best to move out. It's an iconic building at
every tourist in the world wants to have their photograph taken in front
of which is why we have to protect it. Don't talk over each other. With
the asbestos especially, the building could be closed down
tomorrow in definitely. Before I let you go, do you want to be Speaker of
the house? The Mail on Sunday rang me on Saturday, and I failed to
predict anything last year in politics. I'm finding it difficult
to predict anything this year. My ability to predict even my own
future, let alone John Bercow's is not. You would like to? I can't
predict anything. I'm not asking you to predict. I think that is yes.
Anyway, thank both very much. The Northern Ireland government
is on the verge of collapse this afternoon which could force
the Secretary of State, James Brokenshire,
to call fresh elections. The crisis has been prompted
by the resignation last week of Deputy First Minister,
Martin McGuiness, in protest at First Minister Arlene Foster's
involvement in the renewable heat incentive scheme - the so called
"cash for ash" scandal. Let's talk to our correspondent
Stephen Walker who's at Stormont. Stephen, give us the timings of
today. I understand 5pm is the deadline for Sinn Fein to find
another Deputy First Minister? Actually, in the last 20 minutes,
we've had political drama because the do you P have nominated Arlene
Foster as First Minister, it was expected, and Sinn Fein refused
declined to nominate Martin McGuinness and that was flagged up
in advance. We knew that was going to happen so now we are moving
towards this 5pm deadline when the Secretary of State has to call an
election. Basically, you can't have a First Minister without a Deputy
First Minister or vice versa pulled up they go together in this
executive. We have a situation now where we have a First Minister and
we don't have a Deputy First Minister, so there's got to be a
call at 5pm and it's looking like a certainty we will have an election.
What impact will that have on Brexit negotiations and Northern Ireland's
role in that? The British government to some extent are playing that
down. David broken Shire is saying just because we don't have a working
executive, it doesn't mean the views of Northern Ireland would be taken
on board. He said he is Northern Ireland Aqaba 's representative in
the Cabinet and will put those views forward and still have discussions
with committees and it will still take place in London. He says the
views of people install Montt, and the views of people in Northern
Ireland will be taken on board, so whilst they didn't want this to
happen, and it's an enormous headache for Downing Street, James
Brokenshire is saying the views of people in Northern Ireland, when it
comes to Brexit, will still be taken on board. If fresh elections are
called, it's likely we will have the do you P and Sinn Fein as the two
players gain full stop well they have resolved their differences,
because when I interviewed both sides, it went way beyond
cash-for-ash. Not at the end of this election campaign. What you are
looking at is a divisive campaign, the First Minister Arlene Foster is
on record as saying it's going to be a brutal campaign, some people
saying it's not an orange and green issue but the competence of people
behind me. It's going to be a divisive campaign, all those issues,
cash-for-ash, legacy, the past, the Irish language, are not going to be
resolved during the campaign but what people are saying is when they
come back after the campaign, they will have to do have negotiations
and if they can't solve that through the negotiations, technically, there
it will be another election and if that does not happen, then you would
think about the British government having direct rule serve as a whole
series of questions in this political crisis. Thank you very
much. When you think back to previous Prime Minister's and their
involvement in Northern Ireland and the peace process, bringing the two
sides together, Tony Blair or John Major, do you think Theresa May has
been present enough in this dispute? Not at all, the question for the
British Government is whether Brexit taking up all the political and
administrative bandwidth? The key thing is to protect that piece which
was so hard on after so many decades of war, and provide political
stability. Could she have done more to stop the
collapse of this coalition? It is disappointing to see this
political point scoring. We have no idea on the amount of
ground work which has been done. Any Westminster -based position
delving into Northern Ireland politics, that is precarious.
It is keyed to make sure we have as much stability and make sure we have
the mechanisms of dialogue to cover the well-known concerns over the
Common travel area but the opportunities of Brexit for the
whole country and different communities so they are fed through.
It is clear that has happened. We need to see these elections through.
And have some statesman is like behaviour on this side of the Irish
Sea. So we can support the sides coming to an agreement.
It is known when British prime ministers have got involved to try
and be an honest broker, it has worked.
You are talking about in relation to the conflict which was preceded by a
huge amount beneath the surface. I am sure that is going on. I don't
think anyone has been asleep at the wheel. There are clearly huge local
tensions. On the heat incentive scheme, that
was the trigger, but there are broader issues.
There is an issue around the Prime Minister needing the votes of the
Democratic Unionist Party, they have indicated they would support the
Brexit plans. I don't think that gets in a way of
what we all want to see in Westminster which is elections, the
democratic process set up after the Good Friday agreement, to make sure
Northern Irish politicians can resolve their problems locally as
far as possible. We have two respect that. And tried
to be a force for stability. Will it be difficult if the Supreme
Court upholds the view of the High Court before it's about giving the
devolved Assembly some say in Article 50 and triggering it, and
there are elections going on, and it has collapsed. How would that work
giving Northern Ireland invoice? The Supreme Court, we are expecting
a judgment in ten days. I am not clear whether we will get a judgment
on the constitutional issues in that at the same time.
It is clear to me the issues of the border, the potential imposition of
a hard border, are of great concern. The head of the Northern Ireland's
Police Federation has warned any hard border would be a target for
distance. We don't want to, there is a dilemma. If you keep borders open
you create a back channel for people traffickers.
That is not a domestic stability point on the radar.
Will the people of Northern Ireland to be heard if there are elections?
Nobody is speaking for them while Article 50 is ongoing.
Now, standing in the drizzle outside Parliament are two of Westminster's
But before we speak to them, let's have a look at the stories
Tonight, Jeremy Corbyn will address Labour MPs
Could there be some anxious faces as they try to work out who else
might take Tristram Hunt's lead and leave Parliament?
Tomorrow, Theresa May is making her first major speech
detailing the Government's strategy for leaving the EU.
We're being told she'll make the optimistic case for Brexit.
Also tomorrow, anyone who's anyone will be
gathering for the start of the World Economic
And then on Wednesday, the Prime Minister and Jeremy Corbyn
However, all this pales into insignificance because Friday
Donald Trump will be sworn in as the 45th President
We're joined now by the New Stateman's Anoosh Chakelian
and James Lyons from the Sunday Times.
Welcome. Anoosh, what do you expect to hear
from Theresa May tomorrow? We are expecting her to say she is
prepared to leave the single market, customs union, and take Britain out
of the European Court of Justice. This isn't new, we have known
Theresa May was going to put immigration ahead of the economy for
Brexit but she has been under fire for not having a plan.
At least we are hearing it now. And James? I expect to hear as
little as possible she can get away with saying. She does not like to
volunteer information willingly. She is being forced to deliver this
speech because of the Supreme Court case bearing down on us.
We are heading for what some might call a hard or clean Brexit.
Was that underlined by Philip Hammond in his interview with the
German paper at the weekend when he said he would take the required
action if he could not get a deal with the EU?
It was like he was issuing an ultimatum, saying, we could become
this aggressive corporate tax haven or you could let us have access to
the single market but us needing to keep free movement or any of the
status quo. In terms of Theresa May saying she
wasn't going to give a running commentary, the markets have
reacted. One of my colleagues at the Sunday
Times was told by people in Government last week they expected a
market correction. We were joking about buying some euros over the
weekend. There will be further market
reaction tomorrow. Jeremy Corbyn said yesterday in his
interview with Andrew Marr he said he thought Labour had had a good
week. Their week was mixed. Jeremy Corbyn
was prevaricating over immigration not saying whether he agreed Labour
was in favour of free movement. It has been his relaunch as a
populist leader. He keeps using language like, the system is raped,
the elite are taking Britain for a ride.
In a way that is working, his policy about wanting a wage cap on bosses
who earn 20 times more than their employees was popular.
You are looking quizzical, James? I don't think anyone could describe
it as mixed for Labour, it was a catastrophe, the diabolical relaunch
and the resignation of Tristram Hunt.
The interesting polling over the weekend was the one that showed
Theresa May has a 12 point lead on health. Traditionally the strongest
subject for Labour. That was in the middle of an NHS crisis last week.
Like you. No doubt you will be watching the inauguration.
A diabolical relaunch last week? We had a series of U-turns within 24
hours and what annoyed Labour MPs was after a reasonable performance
at Prime Minister is question is, to have the Leader of the Opposition
spokesperson briefing on Nato issues which were not raised, casting doubt
on whether a future Labour Government would respond under an
Article 5 provocation. That was appalling.
That person needs to be reined in. Does Labour support nuclear power?
We do, as part of an energy mix. We have dangerously low levels of
capacity in the British system. Jeremy Corbyn has a principled view
of being antinuclear but he says there should be a mix. Does he need
to say more in terms of what he believes about nuclear power when it
comes to the Copeland by-election? Workers want reassurance any Labour
and would protect their jobs and pensions, something we have tried to
do in opposition during the enterprise Bill. And before the
by-election was announced, we sought to do that through the back door
without Parliamentary scrutiny. Labour politicians have stood
alongside the workers of Sellafield and we will continue to stand by
them. You would like to hear Jeremy Corbyn
Seymore. In unequivocal terms. How dangerous
could Copeland be? Copeland and Stoke on Trent are
Hartland Labour seats which we held in 2015, and election we lost badly.
We have reasonable majorities and the Tories do not have much
representation locally. These are seats we should hold onto
particularly with the NHS in that area, the proposals to move the
maternity unit from -- down the road to Carlisle.
The poll says that Theresa May is more trusted over the NHS.
We need to see action in the polls as well, see movement.
The PLP meeting today, what will the atmosphere be like? Tristam Hunt,
Jamie Reid, stepping down to take jobs outside of politics. Do you
know any other politics -- Labour colleagues doing the same? Are you
surprised by this? No, I don't. I know Joan -- I know
Jamie had an eight hour journey to London with young children still at
home. This job is a vocation as much as employment. If people have the
opportunity to pursue a different location outside Parliament or feel
this is no longer their vocation, people have the right to make the
changes right for them and their families.
We stand again in 2020? Yes. Whenever the next election comes.
There has been criticism about Jeremy Corbyn by both those MPs
leaving. Do you agree? Both of them have been
critical. Last year, 122 MPs did a vote of no-confidence. That is not
something that exceptional. I do think people are looking to
their futures and working out what is best for them and their families.
We are a party that wants people to have better lives and it is allowed
for Labour MPs to have better lives. And back to that interview
with Donald Trump. In a moment, I'll be talking
to Michael Gove who conducted First, here's the President-elect
on his mother and her The UK, my mother
was very ceremonial. I think that's where I got this
aspect, cos my father She loved the ceremony
and the beauty, because nobody does And she had great
respect for the Queen. It was fascinating interviewing him,
he is a force of nature. You don't even need to ask a question. But it
comes, commentary on everything from Nato to Twitter.
Is he somebody ready to lead the free world?
What do you make of him? President Trump will be different from the
candidate. The candidate had a deliberate campaign style which was
big, bombastic, brash. As president, of course he will still be the
personality we know but he will look at things in a more businesslike
way. There is a difference between the marketeer, and the deal-maker in
office. We haven't seen evidence in change
in style, he is still tweeting away, will he continue?
He was clear he will continue to tweet, he regards that as a way of
cutting through what he regards as media distortion.
If you look at the people he has built around him in the Cabinet,
James Matias, it would have been unlikely someone of his stature
would have agreed to serve in Cabinet.
The team he is assembling, some of the things he says in an interview,
suggests he will govern not innate radically different way but in a
different way to how he campaigned. Did you give him a proper grilling?
We were there for one hour, we had the opportunity to ask questions on
a range of issues. The critical thing is when you are talking to
someone like Donald Trump, you can try to argue with him but he is like
a river in spate, when you ask a question, the flow of language just
comes at a torrent. Where were the difficult questions
from you on his links to Vladimir Putin? We asked specifically whether
or not he would stand by what he said Nato. He did shifters position.
We ask them about everything from the wrong deal to whether or not he
would stand down his campaign promise on Muslims, and he provided
that. The critical thing I thought was it was important for me and my
colleague from Germany to cover a wide range of topics and allow
newspaper readers to form their own opinion. You didn't challenge him on
his inconsistencies and there were many on very pressing issues. You
say yourself you asked on a wide-ranging topic, but why didn't
you challenge him before Christmas he said he wanted a nuclear arms
race with Russia. Very provocative language. Now he says he wants to
reduce it. Which is it? You can ask him when he appears on this
programme. But you had him therefore one hour. We managed to generate
from him compelling news on a variety of issues including a
commitment to a rapid trade deal with Theresa May. Do you trust that,
with his inconsistencies, like Syria, he was praised in Russia for
getting involved in that because they were bashing Isis and now he
says in your interview actually it has caused a humanitarian crisis in
Syria. These are diametrically opposite views so when he says he
wants a quick trade deal, do you trust him? I think he will be
different from candidates from. I think that inconsistency is a
different thing. A dangerous thing when it comes to foreign policy.
Many things he said as a candidate are deeply worrying and I hope in
the interests of the world he rolls back from some of them as President.
I think what he said about Nato during the course of the campaign
was dangerous and I think in the interview he suggests a more nuanced
approach. I hope that will be the case. But my role in the interview
was to make sure that he could speak for himself and people will form
their own judgments. There are inconsistencies between what he said
on the stump and what we may see in the White House. We can form a
judgment like the American people, about whether or not they think he's
doing a good job. The whole question of trust is ultimately one for the
American people and for the world leaders who will engage with him. I
was doing my job as a reporter to ensure he cover the waterfront and
then each of us, as citizens, will form our judgment. I said during the
campaign but I would have voted for Hillary Clinton and I've also said,
some of the things he said are not acceptable but there's a difference.
The BBC understands the reporter who allows a politician to speak for
themselves, and an individual who can form a judgment about what they
say. It's also about challenging, as a politician at the other end. If we
look at the picture here of you with Donald Trump, is that a very
professional, do you think? Thumbs up? Do you do that with all the
politicians you do? Yes, if you want to have a selfie with me afterwards,
you can. I've always never had the opportunity. Your German partner in
this didn't stand with his thumbs up. People might just say that's a
bit frivolous but you don't think so? I think the people should have
their own views about that picture. I think I got a smile on my face and
so has he. On that basis, you got there before Boris Johnson and
Theresa May in terms of face time with Donald Trump. Euan Nigel
Farage. Is not going to be Ambassador. Could you? I don't think
diplomacy is my strong suit. Would you like to? No, I like being an MP
and writing for the times. Why not a good ambassador? They require
different skills but we got a very good primer list at the moment in
Theresa May and a very good ambassador. How did the interview
come about? We approach them and Donald Trump thought was a good idea
to talk to Britain's best newspaper and the most successful newspaper.
And they chose you to do the interview, none of the other
political journalists? We made sure that we sent a professional team,
the photographer did a brilliant job, and I hope Times readers will
appreciate what we did but if people think it was shoddy journalism I can
only apologise because I'm a valid serve newcomer to the trade and I'll
do better with my next job. What is your job? You are elected by the
people in Surrey but you talk about standing up to people... Nothing
about comments on women. You are talking about a journalist as your
colleague but it creates questions about the second job you have got. I
think people will form their own judgment about the appropriateness
about politicians writing. And thumbs up? Whether it's Boris
Johnson or Tony Benn? Michael Foot would never have done that stand in
a million years. We can't know but Michael Foot combined a very
successful career as a local politician would also being a
journalist and was editor of the Evening Standard and worked for Lord
Beaverbrook. Before he was leader of the Labour Party. And I would never
want to be the leader of the Labour Party. And on that stunning piece of
news that are not going to be the Labour Party! We will stop this now.
Thank you for coming in. Now, are we seeing
the commercialisation of politics? By the end of the week,
a marketing man will be in the White House and an increasing
number of companies seem to have recognised the commercial
opportunities presented by politics. President Obama loves music
and has long been a fan So much so that he recently joked
that he was hoping for a job with the company when he
left the White House. And it seems Spotify's boss has just
the vacancy for him. He tweeted Obama a spoof
job description for So if you go for this job,
you should have at least eight years' experience of running
a highly regarded nation, a warm and friendly attitude
and a Nobel Peace Prize. In contrast, President-elect Trump
is used as the butt of a joke "Hurry, it won't last.
It's limited, very limited." He'll be voting Leave
on his next appraisal. The other big political campaign
of 2016, the EU referendum, has been used by several companies
in their marketing. The vote was often a hot topic
in Britain's public houses and possibly even more so in those
owned by Brexit-backer and pub He printed 200,000 beer mats
promoting the Leave campaign. Meanwhile, Ryanair offered cut-price
flights for people to fly And for those unhappy
with the Leave result, the chance to see no Europe,
hear no Europe and speak no Europe. Ryanair launched a sale with flights
costing just ?10 for people wanting But please note, other music
websites, food outlets, Here with us now to cast an expert
eye over those adverts is Murray MacLennan,
the worldwide CEO of the advertising Welcome to the Daily Politics. What
do you make of these companies using politics in the advertising? There's
nothing new in some respects because what we attempt to do is reflect
society and understand the target audience and the last three years
has seen unprecedented interest and emotion in politics, party politics,
but issues, independence, Brexit, Donald Trump, and its arguments
tween not just YouTube are people in the pub to advertisers and people
down the football ground, so people are going to companies to but the
minute advertising. We used to joke these things work not joked about
down in the dog and duck but now they are. Do think it's an effective
way of engaging consumers? It shows we are humorous. I think it would
take a brave advertiser to take sides. Ryanair does but their
history is about being opinionated and combative, so it's in their
brand, but I don't think you will see Tesco, NatWest, taking sides
shortly. They are very cautious, aren't they? It's not their job.
Over the New Year, we saw Lego take a stand against the Daily Mail and
not advertise whereas John Lewis said it's not our job to take sides.
Our customers have different views and were not there to tell them
that. Do you think those lines will be blurred in the future and it will
become more difficult for them not to take sides, even if it actually
is part of their moderate? They may choose to because what we are seeing
more and more companies and brands having points of view. They are
meant to fulfil something in society over and about making money for
their shareholders and a social purpose if you like and can you have
a social purpose without politics? Often but not always. I think with
greater engagement on these emotional subjects, and that need
for companies to have a point of view, you could do. Is it a growing
trend or these exceptions? I think they are so deep-rooted and
long-running, I think over the next two or three years we'll see more
companies having views, using the engagement of people in the
advertisements in these big issues, whether it is Brexit or trump. I
think it could well be a trend, I'm afraid. Does it surprise you? Not
really because it's been part of the political fabric for so long and I
can see the pitfalls, businesses being perceived to back a side, or
getting a challenge back themselves. I think for the politicians it's a
good thing. When you think about Brexit, 72% turnout, far higher than
people expected, and all forms of mediums, getting product placement,
to reach parts and voters in a way traditional politics doesn't appeal,
is a good thing. Would you advise any of your clients to piggyback big
political events which have happened like the referendum and the trump
inauguration? It depends on the brand and the company. It there is
strong brand and has political roots, spotter five know their
target audience. We have to know what their values are. If you are
reflecting their values, they like to be challenged, then we would do,
yes. What you think of this? I love the adverts. Britain is brilliant at
advertisements, and our industry is precious globally, loved and
revered, and our creativity and quirky character comes out in that
and I watched La La Land at the weekend and I watched an advert for
NatWest bank talking about climate change and I thought to myself,
there you go, NatWest are part of a crisis which means people have never
pay rise for eight years but now they are trying to do good. I'm glad
you've made that clear on the programme. The other thing is, I
think politics is more at the front now than it's ever been our public
discourse so why wouldn't you talk about the things people are talking
about? Just stay with us for the end of the programme.
There's just time before we go to find out the answer to our quiz.
The question was, which magazine will Theresa May be featuring in?
Vogue. It could be top gear. You both got it right. I'm going to
tread very carefully. Thanks very much to all of our guests today.
The One O'Clock News is starting over on BBC One now.
I'll be here at noon tomorrow with all the big
Labour's Mary Creagh and the Conservatives' Dominic Raab keep Jo Coburn company throughout the programme. They look ahead to Theresa May's speech outlining her strategy for Brexit and speak to Conservative MP Shailesh Vara who is arguing that MPs and Lords should not move out when the Palace of Westminster is refurbished.
Anoosh Chakelian of the New Statesman and James Lyons of the Sunday Times look ahead to the events of the political week, and Jo discusses how some companies use politics to market their products with Moray MacLennan of M&C Saatchi.