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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.


The world watches as Donald Trump prepares to be sworn is as the 45th


Ahead of his inauguration, Mr Trump promises he will bring


We'll look at Donald Trump's plans for his first days


And we report from Melania Trump's home-town in Slovenia.


Jeremy Corbyn is under pressure from Labour MPs


to change tack on Brexit, with some urging the Labour


leader to vote against triggering Article 50.


And why is a Conservative-run county council planning to hike


And with us for the next half an hour - Kate Andrews from


the Institute of Economic Affairs, who is a Republican,


So, the big day has arrived as President-elect Donald Trump


prepares to be sworn in as the 45th President of the United


Last night, Mr Trump and his wife Melania appeared on the steps


of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington for an


eve-of-inauguration rally and concert titled


The Make America Great Again Welcome Celebration.


It doesn't quite trip off the tongue, but there we are!


Addressing cheering supporters, Donald Trump promised to bring


And our phrase - you all know it, half of you are wearing the hat -


But we're going to make America


great for all of our people, everybody.


That includes the inner cities, that includes everybody.


Donald Trump. We will be hearing more from him. We will talk about


the number of things, but give me your main thought on this historic


day. President Obama is leaving with some of the highest approval ratings


of any president leaving office, which comes down to the value we


have put around personal integrity in a time where Clinton and Trump


are running for the White House. Trump is coming in with some of the


lowest approval ratings of any incoming president elect. There is


no doubt that he has won and has upset politics as we know it, but he


has a lot of work to do in building backtrack is -- building back trust.


He needs to work on the Republicans before the Democrats. We all forget


that the president has less power than the Prime Minister does in


terms of making laws, so he has to play nice and get along with people.


Bonnie, what is your main thought today, it wasn't the result you


wanted? We have a constitution, a military code of justice, these


laws, and this is not a man who seems to be interested in the rule


of law. I have complete faith in the constitution being upheld, and that


is where I go into this new period, with faith in our laws and faith in


the laws of the founding fathers. I think all the people who oppose him,


and even as Kate said, the centrist Republicans who are holding their


nose and being a part of this, all have faith in the constitution.


The question for today is: Who is headlining


Is it a) Celine Dion, b) Country star Toby Keith,


c) Elton John, or d) Charlotte Church?


At the end of the show, Kate and Bonnie will give us


Probably by a process of elimination!


In a few hours, Donald Trump will go from property tycoon and TV host to


the president of the richest and most powerful country on earth. It


is just 7am in Washington. They are five hours behind on the east coast


of the US, so I expect Mr Trump will probably be taking his cornflakes


right now, if that's what he has a breakfast. Let's look at how he will


spend his big day. Donald Trump's first engagement


today is a church service at around 1.30 this afternoon,


that's 8.30am in Washington. He's chosen to have a private


service with his family in St John's Episcopal Church,


opposite the White House. At 2.30 he'll head over the road


for coffee with President Obama. This is something that always


happens - the outgoing president and the incoming president elect meet.


Then at about 3.30, both men will ride together to Capitol Hill


for the Inauguration Ceremony, which will be watched by hundreds


And the big moment will be at 5 o'clock, that's


Donald Trump will be sworn in as the 45th President


In the famous oath, he will swear to "preserve,


protect and defend" the American Constitution.


President Trump will then deliver his inaugural address.


We're not expecting too much policy but his aides have promised a speech


that will be personal, sincere and philosophical.


After that, President Trump and Vice-President Pence will embark


on one a half mile parade down Pennsylvania Avenue.


They'll be lined by supporters along the route.


Probably not protesters. Some may get through, but they are being kept


away from the main ceremony itself. Then just before six, it's thought


Donald Trump will sign his first As we have said, presidents have a


lot of executive power which they don't need Congress to implement.


Some may undo what Mr Obama has done with his executive orders. As I say,


we don't quite know. We don't know what these will be,


but Mr Trump has promised some "very Members of President's Trump's


Cabinet will also be sworn in tonight, not least


the new Defence Secretary General At midnight, that's 7pm


in Washington, the traditional President Trump and First Lady


Melania Trump will have their first dance and, according to reports,


the music they've chosen Let's talk now to our Washington


correspondent Nick Bryant, Nick, tell us more. It looks great


behind you. The tabloid joke is, it's a new dawn


in Washington, and a new dawn as well. -- and a new Don. He will


swear the oath that will make him the 43rd president of the United


States. The action begins down the road in Pennsylvania Avenue. He will


come out of the guest house opposite the White House. The Queen has


stayed there, no less. He will go to church, and then, because America


sets great store in this transfer of power, he will meet the Obamas for


coffee and a chat. What could be more civil? Then the improbable


final leg of an extraordinary political journey will bring him to


Capitol Hill, where he will give his inaugural address. It is said to be


very philosophical. He has written it himself, he says, and we will be


interested to hear what he says. We expect it to be thematic rather than


programmatic. Not a laundry list of things to do but a broader vision of


how he plans to make America great again, that great ringing slogan of


this campaign. There are always people on


inauguration day, not as many as when President Obama was first


inaugurated in 2008, but still, hundreds of thousands of people, but


still some protesters. My understanding is that the protesters


will be kept quite a long way away from Pennsylvania Avenue, the hill


where you are, and the White House where the President-elect will end


up, is that right? Yeah, Washington has become this


modern-day fortress. They have put a ring of steel around the area where


800,000 people are expected to gather. About 1.9 million people


came for Barack Obama. Lots of hotels still say they have vacant


rooms, which is unusual for an inauguration. This is such a deeply


divided country, and there are many people who love Donald Trump, who


have been hoping that this day, and there are many people who hate him,


quite frankly. Then, this is terrifying, and I think we will see


that unfold today in the capital. The polarisation that has been such


a feature of American politics for decades, but never more so than in


the last year. Enjoy inauguration day. Back here in


London, we're joined by Jacob Rees Mogg, the Conservative MP, who


started off backing Donald Trump president, before dropping his


support following the groping allegations made against Mr Trump in


the later stages of the election, but is now back on site, at least we


think he is. Are you? We have an American president, and it is in the


interests of the British Government to get on with the American


president, and it would be a bit wet of me not to support him. I will do


lots of flip-flops. I wish Mr Trump extremely well. He is broadly on the


same side of the political argument as the Conservative Party, but not


exclusively. Are you encourage that for the first time ever, the White


House will be occupied by a Eurosceptic? Is it the first time


ever? What happens if you go back to some of the earlier presidents? I'm


not sure. They were quite pro-Europe but anti-British. Some work, but not


all. Let me narrow it down. In the postwar world, we have the first


Eurosceptic American president - are you encouraged by that? It's not


like you not to produce precise questions. It's not like you not to


produce precise answers! He wants a trade deal with us, wants to be a


friends of hours. His mother was devoted to the Queen, as all


sensible mothers are. This is positive for the UK, and my concern


is not domestic American politics, although of course I wish them well,


but its effect on the UK. I hope that Mr Trump will be a better


friend of the United Kingdom than Mr Obama was. What do you expect be


president in the first days of his presidency? Some of the really big


things he wants, like tax cuts, infrastructure spending, that will


need the support of Congress. So that will take a while, but there


are some things he can do by executive order. What would you like


to see? What would mark out the beginning of his presidency? Tie-in


with Jacob, in that in the medium to long term I am not apocalyptic about


this. Some of the tax reforms will give America an economic boom, but


in the 24 hours at first, my suspicion is he will roll back


executive orders that Obama signed, specifically aimed at immigration.


There is talk of him rolling back the dreamers act which would allow


people who came with young children to get citizenship. The pledged to


take 10,000 Syrian refugees. It will be for show and will be designed to


appeal to his supporters. He wants to hang onto those wearing the make


America great again hats. Those two pieces of legislation in particular,


I would have loved to see them go to Congress. It was a mistake in the


beginning for Obama to sign them as executive orders, but those are two


good pieces of legislation. Of course, they weren't legislation,


they were executive orders. In a sense, this may be a problem of Mr


Obama's modus operandi, because a lot of what he did because Congress


was a difficult was done by executive order, and that always


runs the risk, and we may see it over the weekend, of the incoming


president on doing what the outgoing one has done. As Kate said, it is


his prerogative to issue these orders. As you say, the Congress was


deadlocked pretty much against this president from the beginning. In


fact, the leader of the House of Representatives stated in 2008 that


his job was to make sure that President Obama got only one term.


That didn't happen. He lost his majority quite quickly, so he had a


situation where the is only tool was the executive order, which is not a


way to govern. -- where his only tool. Do you think these executive


of orders will be unravelled? He has to keep throwing red meat to his


base because he has been elected by a base that doesn't trust


Washington. It is an old American thing. He's got that base, and he


has to keep throwing things out to them. Americans love their


Congressmen and women but they never love Congress. It is said that his


cabinet has the highest IQ of any American cabinet. He also said he


was the greatest American ever put on God's.


It was said this is the greatest gathering of brain power in the


White House since Thomas Jefferson dined alone! Exactly.


Are you comfortable with Donald Trump's plans for substantial


unfunded tax cuts and massive infrastructure spending? I think


that the unfunded tax cuts could be funded. The American tax system is


complex, it is failing to raise funds, a form of Corporation Tax


could raise money. As we have seen in the UK receipts from Corporation


Tax has gone up. If you get the US companies to re-patriate funds from


outof the United States, that could be beneficial to the fiscal side of


the US. And as a visitor to the US it is


noticeable how poor some of the roads are. You are surprised that


the richest country in the world has weak infrastructure. So again it


could be been fishally, economically, the evidence is that


money spent on roads has a helpful economic effect. So this could be


good. But there is nothing mystical about the problem with the American


infrastructure, that goes down to the States at the end of the day.


The Republican Party controls most. So you have a democratic President


who has to work his or her way down the cycle.


What we have seen over the Obama administration is the loss of the


support for the Democratic Party, the voters detrade by the Democratic


Party, especially with energy policies, we have seen the


republicans taking back control and taking back the power at each level


of government, I think because President Obama failed to lead and


failed to offer a plan formidle America.


Let me move on. We will come back. What we do know is Donald Trump's


ability to surprise us. We don't really know what he might do in the


next 36 hours. His journey to the White House is to say the least, an


extraordinary one. Here is a brief look back from Donald Trump's


transformation to businessman, to celebrity and to US President, and


perhaps not surprisingly, there are flashing images.


I actually asked him are you doing this on purpose to try to


make it look bad, so I'd pay some more money?


It is the worst pile of crap architecture I've


# I feel so far removed...


I've never said that I'm a perfect person, nor


pretended to be someone that I'm not.


Did you have your porridge,


Donald Trump's extraordinary journey to the White House.


In terms of being President, I, looking to someone who did American


history and has continued to read lots about it, I can think of no


President, no equivalent President in the past, that comes anywhere


near Mr Trump, do you agree with that? Possibly, Teddy Roosevelt.


Andrew Jackson. He had been a politicians before.


I agree with you, broadly. To try to find similarity, teddy Roosevelt is


the closest to somebody who is impulsive, follows a path he


chooses. Not really a republican.


And ends up being independent, creates his own war, does all sorts


of things you don't expect Presidents to do.


It is unchartered territory. But that make it is exciting. I


think there is a feeling, not just in the US, and the UK, that we were


absolutely fed up with professional politicians who go through the


patter, reeling off the same answers, dining in the same clubs


and this is something different. It may not work, you can't tell at the


beginning but it's different and potentially exciting.


Is there a little bit excited by the unknown, or are you just terrified!


The part of me that is the playwright is excited, you cannot


create this person. In fact, moo I last play that closed


in October, had him elected President, and I was told to rewrite


the script as he was not going to be elected.


You could write part two! Now, he could be high on a golden age of


satire and theatre but this man, I want to lay rest the middle America


quickly. The middle America voted for Barack Obama and voted for him


twice, so we have to look down into what's been happening... As to what


happened. But not today. We don't have time. But brieflily as the


republic here, you get the final word, Kate. You were not keen on


Donald Trump for a while. Are you reconciled? I recognise the mandate


for him. I understand why he won. I will continue to struggle to forgive


him for the comments he made about miniorities, many republicans could


not get behind him for that. But the biggest comparison I have for him is


to Ronald Reagan. Now he is in the presidency but Ronald Reagan united


coalitions. He had been an active DFR... But it


is completely... Completely. He had been governor of the largest State


of the Union. Acheham ling con, give me a break.


On that. It's expected that next


Tuesday the Supreme Court will deliver its verdict


on the Government's appeal against the previous High Court


decision that parliament must vote on the decision to trigger Article


50, which will kick off Ahead of that decision


Jeremy Corbyn finds himself Yesterday the Labour leader said


it was "very clear" his party accepted the referendum result,


and that he will ask Labour MPs However, there are reports that


around 60 Labour MPs in pro-Remain seats are threatening not to vote


to trigger Brexit, including members Shadow Business Secretary Clive


Lewis told one newspaper, signing Article 50


under these conditions is in the best interests


of...the country." And last night Shadow Defence


Secretary Emily Thornberry was forced to defend Labour


from accusations that they weren't scrutinising the Government


or providing a strong enough Labour is not in power. The


Conservatives are in power. What we should be looking at...


You're not even in opposition! What we should be looking at as the


opposition is what Theresa May has said. I wish her the best of luck, I


hope she gets all she promises thankfully she made in that speech.


We've been joined by the Labour MP Neil Coyle.


You are not voting for Article 50? No.


And why not, let's take the Supreme Court decision, if that is what it


is? So, the Labour manifesto made clear that we supported being in the


European Union, the Labour Conference voted to retain our


position. And the facts have not changed from before the referendum.


Irbelieve that voters want us to stand up for the principle, and not


as Jacob Rees-Mogg says, have career politicians. Me beliefs have not


changed. Your constituency voted remain?


About 72%, yes. If they voted to leave, would that


change your thinking? No. There are those lined up to vote against


triggering Article 50. I understand but mostly from remain.


Yes. How many will follow your example?


There is speculation between 40 and 80. But unknown. There are


discussions going on with the whips as to whether or not there is a free


vote. Are we not clear yet from the whips


whether this will be a free vote for Labour or a whipped vote? The


decision has not been taken is the message that I got this morning.


There is speculation, that is premature. We don't know which way


it will go. In December there was a whipped vote. I was one of the 23


Labour MPs who said I'm not voting for the Government's timetable.


We also understand that Shadow Cabinet members may be voting with


you? Yes. Is that, isn't that the end of


collective Shadow Cabinet responsibility? Well, I'm still


hoping there will be a free vote. I think that is why some of the Shadow


Cabinet are indicating that they feel strongly and would like a


chance to vote with their conscious. There is confusion, we face not just


two years of debate and wrangle from the European Union but five years of


negotiations for what new trade agreements would look like. We don't


know that In that period, the damage is being


done. Jobs are being lost in my constituency now.


Jobs are being created... Jobs are being lost.


That may be to do with your constituency. But the fact is that


overall jobs have risen. But I want to talk about the process, to look


at the substance of that another time. Is it not remarkable that Her


Majesty's opposition, on something as fundamental as a vote to trigger


the negotiations to begin our exit from the European Union, doesn't


have a collective policy, and would have a free vote? To portray this as


a Labour division or Labour not providing opposition, I dispute.


You are divided. The Conservatives have lost. David


Cameron has left early. Zac Goldsmith has been thrown out for


his support. So to suggest that there is Labour confusion,


government is in disarray. You want to talk about that later but I am


saying for my businesses in my constituency, they are already not


seeing investment. 7,000 leaving the country as a result of this.


This could be given excuses. There are facts.


They are not facts. There are, we have been told 7,000


jobs are going... I'm a member of the party, I will be voting with


Andrew here, there is a tone that the opposition sets, it is not about


people saying you are not delegates, you represent your own selves and


conscience but there is a tone that I don't understand in Labour's


relation to this question. I don't know what it is. Now I know what


Jeremy says. The latest thing now I understand that there will not be a


three line whip but I don't know where Labour stands? I need to hear


from Kate? The referendum was advisetory, there was no political


weight. It had political weight but not


binding. It did not have constitutional


weight. Exactly. Your point to the career politicians, is it not


strange to have a referendum, to hear the voice of the people then


decide you are going down your own path to reject what they are going


to do? That's a good question. We will let it hang in the wind. We


have to move on. As the process unfolds come back to talk with us.


And talk about the substance of the issue. The process is interesting as


well. Thank you for being with us. Thank you.


Now, you may well have had enough of referendums,


but people in Surrey could soon have another one to look forward to.


Surrey County Council have unveiled plans to raise council tax


The proposal would cost residents around ?200 a year more on average,


and will need to be approved in a local vote to go ahead.


The Conservative Council say it's the only way they can protect local


We'll talk to the Council's leader in a moment.


First though, the BBC's deputy political editor John Pienaar


was in the Surrey town of Esher yesterday, here's what some


I believe, I heard it on the one o'clock news


How about some more of that money for the Council for social


There's lots of money in Surrey, but that doesn't mean to say


we're going to accept a 15% rate increase.


I can't afford to pay, because my pension is frozen.


More council tax to pay for social care -


I think we live in a very affluent area.


There are lots of people around who need it more than


Here with us now to discuss this is Dia Chakravarty,


the Political Director of the Taxyapers' Alliance,


and David Hodge, he's the Leader of Surrey County Council.


-- here to discuss this is David Hodge. Not everyone is affluent.


Yes, but we have two set a budget to protect vital services for people in


Surrey. Demand is growing in social care, adults with learning


disabilities, and we have to protect children's services. Will you go


ahead with a 15% increase before the referendum then if the referendum


goes the wrong way from your point of view, you would unravel the


increase? You have to. The council papers require you to have two


alternative budgets. So you could put it up before the people have


decided whether it should go up? I didn't make the law. Just as a


clarification. That will happen. How much will it raise? 5% is what the


council would pretend. The extra 10% is around 60 million 70 million. And


what will you spend it on? Adult social care. Hospitals need it to be


protected fully so that we can get people out of hospital. Elderly


people should not be staying in hospital. Get them out. You had to


cut that part as local Government funding has been cut? We haven't cut


it yet. We have worked really hard, and we are trying desperately to do


that. We have the largest cohort of adults with learning disabilities in


the country. It's a historical fact, and we have to look after them. The


Surrey Conservative Paul Beresford said that this was not a good idea


and you should look for savings elsewhere. Opposition councillors


say the council is to blame for financial failings. What do you say


to that? We have made ?450 million worth of annual savings since 2010,


despite the Government cutting our grant by ?170 million since then. We


are on track to save 700 to our transportation programme, which is


vital to Surrey, but we have to come back to reality. The Government says


we need ?70 million a year for learning disability clients and they


have cut that by ?32 million. In terms of the better care fund, we


are supposed to get ?25 million a year, but we are getting nothing


next year, nothing the year after, and the following year, we get ?1.5


million. So you need this money? Desperately. Is the Government not


leaning on new? I am here to represent the people of Surrey. That


is what I was elected to do. And in the process of that, this is quite


embarrassing for the Government, so are they leaning on you to pull


back? I have been producing facts and figures to MPs and to


Government, and they have never told me the figures were incorrect. In


fact, they had told me the figures are correct. Are they leaning on


you? They can do that, but I am accountable to the people of Surrey,


and we have to be honest, stood up and told people the facts. The facts


are that adult social care is in crisis in this country. I understand


that is where you're coming from, but are you going to win this


referendum was Mike we will tell the truth. If we win, I will be very


pleased. Let me try one more Time - will you win the referendum, or will


it be a resigning matter if you lose a? I believe that the people of


Surrey will go to that with a clear conscience. They know what the facts


are. We will put the facts to them. You sound like a national


politician. I am definitely not, much more local. I understand. We


have run out of time. You have given the case, and we shall see what the


outcome is. It's an interesting story. Thanks for being with us.


It's time now to find out the answer to our quiz.


The question was, who is headlining Donald Trump's


So Bonnie and Kate what's the correct answer?


Let's go with the person we had never heard of and say Toby Keith. I


said you could do it by elimination. I have heard of him. He's great. I


will get you a CD. It's the first time with the -- we been offered a


present. Normally the guests just steel beam mugs.


Coming up in a moment it's our regular look at what's been


For now it's time to say goodbye to my two guests of the day -


So for the next half an hour we're going to be focussing on Europe.


We'll be discussing the reaction to Theresa May's Brexit speech,


the election of the new president of the European Parliament,


and we report from Slovenia in the latest in our series,


First though here's our guide to the latest from Europe -


After much anticipation, on Tuesday, Prime Minister, Theresa May,


She said the UK would leave the single


market and had a stark message to Britain's European neighbours.


No deal for Britain is better than a bad deal for Britain.


There were mixed reactions from European leaders.


Some accused the PM of cherry-picking the parts


Also on Tuesday, European Parliament elected its new President.


Step forward, Italian politician, Antonio Tiani, who comes from the


On Thursday, MEPs called for emergency aid for migrants and


Specifically to help them cope with freezing temperatures


And also this week, a report by top officials, called for the EU


to raise its own taxes - stand by for


news of a European VAT, a bank levy or a European corporate tax -


And with me for the next 30 minutes i've been joined


by the Conservative MEP Vicky Ford, and the Labour MEP Neena Gill.


And we've also been joined from Brussels


by Politico's Chief Brussels Correspondent David Herszenhorn.


David, let me come to you first. When will we get the combined or


collective European negotiating position? Mrs May as outlined in


broad terms the British strategy with her speech this week. Will we


get something similar from the European Union site? Certainly not


before the triggering of Article 50. The EU has been clear about this,


that it is not their job to help the UK along or to get ahead of formal


procedures. You know the steps that need to be taken. We are waiting for


a court decision, for Parliament act. Once that happens, and the


formal notification is received in Brussels, then we will start to see


the chief negotiator for the European Commission kick into


action, and a more cohesive message should be coming out of Brussels at


that point. In London, how much hostility is there to Britain in


these negotiations, building up to these negotiations? I think there is


resignation and disappointment with the way we are going, and I would


say there is almost a feeling that there is an abdication of political


leadership in terms of, we keep talking about immigration and only


that, and not discussing important issues like the economy and jobs and


what that means. The speech, other than clarifying that we're not going


to be in the single market, which I'm personally really devastated by,


because I do think it is important for our economy and jobs, and for


our income, to safeguard NHS, education and services, but I think


the main concern is that we seem to have thrown in the towel before


we've actually started negotiations. Actually, I disagree. I happen to be


in the more detailed discussions that are happening between the


Parliaments' committees, and I've noticed very much a change of tone


over the Christmas period, as those committees have started to look at


the more detailed implications. Both sides, and we had a long meeting


last week with the European Council chief negotiator. One of the people


who is heading up... And he is a very detailed person, and one who


talks about the need for partnership and the need to recognise the close


economic ties between Europe and the UK. And what I have noticed, sorry,


is that as they look at the details, a more practical and pragmatic


approach, not wanting to damage the economy on either side of the


Channel, and I am just beginning to feel in that negotiation... In


response to Theresa May's speech, it has undone some of that work. My


colleagues involved in those discussions, and they have said


there was a plan, there is a way to move these former -- these things


forward, but the way it has gone down now, people said, you are not


really interested in a close a deal. You have stated that you want out,


and... The Prime Minister wants as close a deal as possible. David, let


me ask you this, because we are still a little unclear on this side


of the Channel. Assuming Article 50 is triggered by the vote in


parliament, what then, how does Europe come to its collective view?


Does that have to be determined in the Council of ministers first, by


the 27, excluding Britain? Duvet then give the chief negotiator a


broad negotiating mandate. Will we get to see what that mandate is? We


get the sense that that mandate is already taking shape. Let me back up


a second to answer your previous question, which my fellow guests


didn't get to, which is in fact there is a lot of lip service paid


to the continuing importance and relevance of British officials in


the EU and in Brussels. We are seeing that it is quickly apparent


that they are being marginalised. In the Parliament, they say that


everyone is a full member until Brexit happens, but it is clear that


that relevance is diminishing fast, and that is important for the UK,


which will be a part of the EU for the next couple of years. In terms


of the mandate for the chief negotiator, there has been some


reaction to the Prime Minister's speech, looking back to the very


first but simple things that Angela Merkel said after the referendum,


which is the four fundamental freedoms of the EU are not up for


negotiation. What officials are telling me is that there doesn't


seem to be sufficient recognition of that in London, that people haven't


heard the message that these things are not negotiable. Membership has


its privileges! What do you say? The Prime Minister recognise that very


strongly, and recognised the importance of the four freedoms. She


went on to talk about needing to keep a close economic partnership,


but from the UK side, we want to keep open as much trade as possible


and then put it back to the EU, the practical cooperation that we have


on certain issues, like trading goods. She mentioned cars and


financial services, the sort of practical co-operative links,


wanting to keep... Can I ask a question? We haven't got much time,


so we have to share of this. If the Government is ruling out membership


of the single market, wine are the four freedoms relevant? They don't


need to be up for negotiation, because if we're not going to be a


member the single market, the four freedoms don't apply and are not for


us. I agree. I am asking here in London, David. I think it is wrong


that we put immigration above jobs and the economy, and that is what I


am hearing from manufacturers in the West Midlands, that they need access


to the single market. When we look at the referendum... Hold on... Let


me just finished, we were being reassured that we weren't talking


about leaving the single market. Do you accept that if we are not going


to be a member of the single market, then the four freedoms that go with


the single market, therefore, don't have to be part of the negotiations?


Theresa it depends what we want. We have had some statements from the


Prime Minister saying we will have customs arrangements, and it's not


clear. We do not know what that means. Let me go back to David. If


it is the Government position to go for a free-trade agreement, why are


the four freedoms of the single market relevant? The point, I think,


is to understand that if there is compromise on that side, and if the


UK is not willing to live up to those standards, then in fact, there


will be a cost to leaving membership of the EU, that any trade deal will


not be as preferential. The Government knows that. If they


understand that, then negotiations can proceed, but it will take some


time. In any free-trade agreement, there is always a clause about these


every access or movement. The Canadian free-trade deal, the most


recent one, doesn't involve free movement. Can I come back in? Let's


be clear. I have heard the chief negotiator say it is not a special


deal for the UK but a deal that is very specific, that recognises our


economic links, wants to form a new partnership, and that is what the


Prime Minister has set out. She has set out her willingness to not put


up new barriers to try, to manage the economy on both sides, and we


need to start working on the detail of that. That is the tone I have


heard in Brussels, and we need to start working.


How much concern is interest in Brussels, or is there not a concern,


of the kind of anti-establishment survey, that we have seen with the


Donald Trump election, could dominate the important elections in


Holland, France, Austria, perhaps Italy, and eelections taking place


in Germany, that that could be the backdrop? Are they worried about


what is happening on the ground this Europe? There is no question that


the antiestablishment forces are a concern but interestingly, Donald


Trump may be a force to serve to unify the EU, if the EU saw a reason


to stay unified because of the upcoming Brexit negotiations, that


Donald Trump is providing greater urgency for the EU to stay together.


So folks are feeling confident, Angela Merkel thinks that things


will be fine in the elections. I think there is confidence growing in


Brussels they will make it through the elections OK and Trump is


creating a unifying force. All right. There was confidence in


the establishment that Donald Trump would not win the primary process as


well, so let's see if the Princess Elizabeth bureaucrats are better at


calling this than those on the other side of the Atlantic.


It's the election that has gripped the corridors


of Strasbourg this week, MEPs spent all of Tuesday voting


for the next president of the European Parliament.


It's an important position, because as the parliament's top dog


they get to wield considerable influence behind the scenes.


The moment when Antonio Tajani from the centre-right


European People's Party became the new man in charge.


Congratulating him, his predecessor Martin Schultz,


the German socialist who's leaving after five years at the helm.


Even though his party's candidate, Gianni Patella, was defeated


As Schultz exits stage left, the changing of the guard


at the European Parliament is completed.


This election was really a battle between two Italians,


but it started off as a contest divided up between six candidates.


After three rounds of voting, it was down to Gianni Patella


on the left and Antonio Tajani on the right.


In the end, it was Mr Tajani who came out on top.


Tajani's election marks a clean sweep for the centre-right


As well as the Parliament, the Commission is headed up


by Jean-Claude Juncker and the council by Donald


We fought the monopoly but we weren't able to win


but we fought strongly against the monopoly and we will


Well, he's certainly a familiar face around the Parliament


but he cut his political teeth as a spokesman for the controversial


former Italian Prime Minister, Silvio Berlusconi.


You can feel it, all of the different groupings


If you ask them and inparticular Members of Parliament,


what they would say about him, it is not only me,


it is that he is a man that keeps his word and this


It's this approach that eventually won Tajani the support of all


It's this approach that eventually won Tajani the support of the other


I think Tajani would be a better chairman for us in the Parliament,


for two reasons, primarily, one, he has promised to be more


of a speaker of the House than a Prime Minister,


we need a more neutral conductor of business, and the other thing


for a conservative mind, is that it is better


to have a centre-right person in the chairman,


to have a centre-right person in the chair,


So for those two reasons we ended up in the last two rounds supporting


Mr Tajani's intray is already pretty full, countering


the rise of Euro-scepticism, ahead of elections in France,


Germany and Holland, coping with any new wave


of migrants, and of course, Brexit, although he won't be the man


leading the negotiations on behalf of Parliament.


That will be done by the liberal MEP, Mr Verhoffstat.


How do you think Antonio Tajani will respond in terms of Brexit?


I think in terms of rhetoric, of course, he will subscribe


to the standard European position that they are opposed to Brexit,


they think it's a disaster, they're going to punish us,


they're going to expect to see us perform very badly,


I think actually, I think he is much more measured and pragmatic.


So Mr Tajani will most likely be the man here in post


here at the Parliament in just over two years' time, when the sun sets


on the UK's negotiation over its exit and MEPs


from the remaining 27 member states will have a vote to ratify any


Jo Coburn reporting from Strasbourg.


So, Jean-Claude Juncker, President of The Commission, Donald Tusk,


another conservative President of the council of ministers, now a


centre-right Italian MEP, President of the Parliament, is the right


taking over the EU's institutions? I am disappointed that our candidate,


who put up a good fight but was not successful.


Who were you backing? I was backing Gianni Patella.


So, on you go. So, I think it is of concern that


all three institutions are in the centre-right. I don't think it bodes


well. But more importantly, what concerns me, and I get on very well


with Antonio Tajani but I think he is not really a strong candidate in


terms of the challenges the EU faces this year. And Martin Schultz has


increased Parliament's role and that is important to connect with the


citizens. OK. Is there not a certain irony


that the conservative Government is taking us out of the EU


institutions, just as the Conservatives are dominating the EU


institutions? In response to Neena, the reason we have a centre-right


politicians now is because the centre-right have more votes,


because the centre-right got more votes from the public in the


Parliament in the last election as they won more votes in the last


European elections. So that is why he won. I am pleased to see someone


who has said that they will be more of a speaker and less of a Prime


Minister. We found Martin Schultz dictatorial. He overruled many


decisions of the Parliament commission, so the backbenchers...


ALL SPEAK AT ONCE Will he be helpful or unhelpful on


Brexit? The reason I voted for him in the last round was that he


promised to listen to all the Parliament, especially to the


Conservative reformist group, my grouping and promised to pledge a


neutral tone on Brexit to allow the negotiations to happen in a rack


thank you call, pragmatic way. Although, part of the deal is that


Verhofstat stays to strengthen and what Gianni Patella was offering.


Vicky, let me finish, I listened to you. He was saying he would take


Verhofstat off the negotiations, so in terms of British interests it


would have been better, given his position on the UK... He is the


Belgian federalist? Yes. He is now a leader of one of the


groups and has an agreement with the centre-right grouping, the EPP, to


change the direction of the EU. They now want a European coastguard, a


European governor zone, a European defence force and also European


intelligence and investigation capacity. So if that's the way that


these two big groups in the European Parliament are going, even Labour


could not support most of that? No. We were were not supporting these


candidates. No but is that the direction of


travel for Europe? This is what the Conservatives were supporting him


for. I could not have supported the socialist candidate. You have a


choice of two, both of them are federalist...


ALL SPEAK AT ONCE Gianni Patella is En not a federalist. They said that


the Antonio Tajani offer was to be more of a neutral speaker to allow


the Parliament to move on. Just on Verhofstat, he is not in the


negotiations. The negotiations happen with the entire Parliament.


He is either in or not? He is the chief negotiator. One of the parts


of the deal. Hold on.


The two of you are confusing me! You are saying he is not in the


negotiations, you are saying he is the chief negotiator. Both cannot be


right? The Article 50 negotiations are conducted with the European


Council and with the Barniaese team. The Parliament as a whole then hads


a vote. I understand that. But I'm still not


clear but have run out of time to clarify it. We have to move on in


the latest of series of films for the EU Member States.


Adam Fleming has travelled to Sloveni, where people


in Melania Trump's home town have been getting used to the idea


that their most famous ex-resident is moving into the White House.


I was born in Slovenia, a small, beautiful and then communist country


And here is where - the town of Sevnica.


Fittingly for a former model, it is where you will find


Slovenia's biggest manufacturer of pants.Melania left and found


fame, fortune and a husband in the


Since then, her home country has joined


Armed with my Nova magazine, with Melania


on the front cover, let's find out what people think about her.


Can you imagine Donald Trump in the street,


Here, they are offering a wise First Lady


tour, where you can see the Melania's


old school, have some of the


At the Julia bakery, they are selling a Trump-themed cake.


We put on white chocolate because of the White


House, she is always dressed in white, so we put white chocolate.


And we put gold on top because it's luxury.


Also almonds and other special ingredients.


It's not exactly Melania-mania, maybe because


Mrs Trump's Slovenian lawyers have issued


It's not exactly Melania-mania, maybe because


Mrs Trump's Slovenian lawyers have issued


a reminder that her name is a


The biggest thing Mrs Trump has done for us is to get us


In Sevnica, we're respectful about using


her name, partly because her family still live here.


And that will continue to be the case in the


But surely it's all great material for Slovenian comedians.


That she was a robot designed in Slovenia


designed to infiltrate the White House and now we are in charge.


We are such a small country, this was


The president of Uefa is also Slovenian, so we're


kind of like putting people in positions


and waiting to see what is


Celebrations for the inauguration are low-key.


The main event is the annual pruning of Sevnica's


That I will faithfully execute the Office...


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