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The Government announces a ban on laptops


and tablets in aircraft cabins on certain flights


US media says it's in response to a specific threat


In one week, the Prime Minister will formally


launch the process which will take us out of the EU.


It's the number one item in her in-tray.


But what does it mean for the Government's other priorities?


It's been a tough few days for Jeremy Corbyn as Labour's


Can he regain the initiative at PMQs?


And it's the great political cake-off as MPs get


Or will it be soggy bottoms all round?


You could expect next door's hamster to decorate a cake better than most


of these MPs but it's great fun and it's for a very good cause.


I thought you did very well reading that! It was full of pitfalls. It


was a bit of a tongue twister! All that in the next 90 minutes


and with us for the duration, Home Office Minister Brandon Lewis,


and Shadow Justice Now, Brandon is specifically


the Minister for Policing and Fire, although it's not clear who has


the brief for earth and wind. We could keep this going right up to


PMQs! Richard is also the Shadow Lord


Chancellor, which means, if he ever gets into government,


he'll get to wear the full legal state dress - black silk


velvet cutaway tail coat, a waistcoat and breeches,


lace cuffs, black silk stockings, It's the uniform all good


socialists aspire to! Downing Street has confirmed


that it will place a ban large electrical devices in some


aircraft cabins in the coming days. The ban will affect passengers


travelling on direct flights to the UK from six countries


in the Middle East. The US government has also announced


similar restrictions They are from the Middle East, not


exactly the same countries as the UK.


Reports in the American media suggest the ban was prompted


by intelligence of a terror threat to US-bound flights.


Let's talk to Tom Wilson from the Henry Jackson Society,


which is a foreign affairs think tank.


Let's get this... We believe there is some specific intelligence of


this sort of threat to US and now possibly British flights. Is that


correct? What more do we know? I think there must be something quite


specific for both the UK and there has been word that Canada might also


implement a similar ban. Also the fact that you got people not just in


the Trump administration but also Democrats in Congress who have seen


some of this intelligence who seem to support this ban. As well as


they're probably being something quite specific, we have now seen


mounting concerns about attacks relating to aviation. In 2016 there


was an attempted attack in Somalia by Al-Shabab. In 2015, a group


linked to ISA managed to take out a Russian passenger jet, so there have


been mounting and ongoing fears in recent years. But these events


happened a little while ago, still in the recent history but a little


while ago. Something must have happened. Do you think there might


have been a technology breakthrough in that the bomb makers know how to


turn not just laptop batteries but the batteries on tablets into bombs,


in effect, so that when they are switched on they explode on air in


the cabin? There have been some reports, confirmed so far I think,


that there may be an Al-Qaeda affiliated group that has been


specifically looking into technology related to planting explosives


inside batteries of laptops, tablets or perhaps something even smaller. I


think one question we do have is whether or not the concern is about


the kind of device that would be triggered by an individual outside,


actually in the cabin, or whether or not the device could go off


automatically without someone being able to trigger its. One final


question lots of people have been asking. As I understand it, you will


still be allowed to check these things into the hold and people have


said, maybe the bomb could go off there but you would then have to add


a timer to it, which complicates matters. Aircraft are not always


unscheduled. It really works, as I understand it, by you switch it on


which is why the biggest danger is in the cabin. Exactly, and in the


past that was always the case with aviation bombing, such as the shoe


bomb plot, plots to do with liquid explosives which we saw in the


mid-2000s. But I think there is a higher level of technology needed if


you've got some kind of time, although it was suggested in the


case of the Sharm el-Sheikh bombing that the exposer was in the hold. I


think it may be the case that airport authorities are able to


check what goes into the hold more closely than what passengers are


taking on with them. We will leave at there. Thank you for joining us


in the rain. I was going to pick up on that point


with Brandon Lewis about what evidence there is that it will make


us safer, even if there is this point about triggering any device,


as we just heard from our guest, the major attack back in 2015 when the


Russian airliner was brought down, killing over 200 people, it is


thought the bomb was hold luggage so what evidence is there that this


will make us safer? For these reasons, I can't comment on


particular threats, but we have been on a severe flooding for some time


now and the Prime Minister has been chairing meetings for a number of


weeks looking at those threats and a decision was made to put this ban on


these particular flights to make sure that we keep people safe while


they are flying and keep British citizens safe. At what is the


evidence that it will keep us safer? If you can still put laptops,


tablets and other large electronic devices in the hold, and bombs can


be triggered there, how much safer will it really make us by preventing


people taking these electronic gadgets in their hand luggage? The


assessment has been made looking at what the threats are. Putting this


ban on these flights in this way makes people say the. I can't go


into the details of specific threats because we don't comment on specific


threats like a lot but a decision has been made in light of the


evidence that we've got, the meeting the Prime Minister has been chairing


herself over the last few weeks, to make sure we are doing the right


thing. There has to be some sort of logic to its. One security expert


has suggested it could actually make us less safe because, as you know,


in the case of cabin baggage, the case can be opened in front of the


owner of that particular bag and individual items can be checked in


front of them. That isn't the case, obviously, when it goes into the


hold. I can say there is logic and there is an assessment of what the


threat is and advice has been given by the experts, the security teams,


and the decision has been made that the best thing to do to make sure


people are safest but a ban on these particular types of equipment. How


much disruption do you think it will cause? Adamant it will cause too


much disruption. People should check with their travel agents when they


are travelling from those countries, they need to have it in their hold


luggage. That means putting it in hold luggage rather than in hand


luggage or when they get to the airline check-in, the airline will


be advising them to put it in the hold luggage as they check in. There


may be some delays for them in doing that but that's the only disruption


message be -- there should be. People travelling, let's say, from


Turkey to London, it affects direct flights but what if you want to


travel from Turkey to Paris and you actually are able then to keep your


laptop with you, you then change flights, change airlines in Paris


and travel to London but you have originally come from Turkey. People


would be able to take their laptops into the cabin. You're quite right,


the banners on those very specific direct flights. So you will be able


to get round it. We continue to work with our colleagues and partners in


other countries around the world to do everything we can to make sure


airline safety is safe. A particular decision has been taken about these


flights. If you come in from Turkey into Paris and you are going on a


different line, say to America, they will make you go through security


again, as they do in London now. And as was said in the Henry Jackson


Society comment, luggage that goes through the hold goes through a


certain security check as well but the decision has been made. We have


been severe flooding for sometime now and this the right decision to


make sure safety is paramount. Once was male scissors, then liquids, now


it is your iPad. -- nail scissors. Now, in exactly one week,


Theresa May will send a letter to the European Council,


triggering Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty


and so beginning the formal process It will be an historic moment


and will clearly dominate politics But there are plenty of other issues


that the Government is wrestling with, and you can be sure that


here at the Daily Politics we will be holding ministers' feet


to the fire on all Government It's a busy time for


politicians on all sides. As well as Brexit, the other huge


constitutional issue for Theresa May is a possible second


Scottish independence referendum. This afternoon the Scottish


Parliament will vote on whether to request a new poll,


something which the UK Government has said they won't allow


until after Britain has left the EU. Schools funding in England


is another hot potato at the moment. The Government is trying to push


through a new funding formula for schools, which has


angered many headteachers. The Prime Minister has also


promised to push ahead with new grammar schools,


although the issue is angering Social care is another issue that


will be taxing minds in Whitehall. The Chancellor announced an extra


?2 billion over the next three years but many are warning


it's not enough. Linked to that is health spending,


with funding pressures And if that's not enough,


the Conservative Party is facing police probes


into their election expenses. Last week they were fined ?70,000


and 12 police forces have asked the Crown Prosecution Service


to consider whether there If you think that's tough,


imagine being Jeremy Corbyn. Yesterday MPs rounded


on the Labour Leader at a Parliamentary Labour Party


meeting for apparently briefing Many MPs are angry at Mr Corbyn's


leadership, particularly because Labour's poll


ratings aren't good. Earlier this week,


a Guardian-ICM poll put Labour on 26%, with the Conservatives


on 45%. Joining me now is Joe Twyman from


the polling company YouGov. 19 points behind Fort Labour. Is that


now becoming an established trend? It certainly seems to be. Our most


recent poll for the Times has Labour on 25%, where they've been


consistently for the past few weeks, and the Conservatives on 41 and they


have been low to middle 40s for some time. That is clearly a difficult


situation for the Labour Party to be in but if you look beyond the


figures, the situation gets worse when you ask people who would make


the best Prime Minister. Theresa May is ahead by some distance. Fewer


than half of Labour supporters actually think that Jeremy Corbyn


could be the best Prime Minister. Most of them say they don't know but


it is still a difficult situation to be in and when you look at things


like jobs, housing, the economy, Ronnie Corbett is behind Theresa


May, often by some distance, so that is a difficult situation to be in


and there is no getting away from that. But there is a big but coming


and that is surrounding Brexit. We don't know how things are going to


go. We asked people if there were a general election tomorrow, how would


you vote, but we know there isn't a general election tomorrow and there


was not going to be one on me the fourth, we hear now. It is more


likely to be in 2020 and where the country will be at that stage could


determine massive differences. So while Labour are behind at the


moment, it could be the case that seeing a Brexit disaster with the


Conservatives could mean Labour pull ahead but the point is, we don't


know. And the Shadow Chancellor John McDonell has said Labour will be


more united once they get into the Brexit negotiations and there will


be disunity on the Conservative side, as you say. But if you look at


the issues that have faced the Tory party, the Omni shambles that many


have called it of the budget and the U-turn on the national insurance


contributions, business rates, social care, why are the Tories are


the Tories still so far ahead? Well, it seems that Labour's policies and


their way of getting their argument across, be it through the leader or


other members of the party, just aren't resonating with the country.


Critics of Conservatives and supporters particularly of Jeremy


Corbyn will blame this on the press, on infighting within the party, and


I'm not here to discuss the merits of that, other than to say it is


having an effect. It is clear they are not resonating, not getting


those groups that they need to appeal to to win. Briefly,


predictions for the local elections? I think that Labour will do well to


hold on to what they had before. I think they are going to suffer. We


could see a resurgence of the Lib Dems if they can resonate their


anti-Brexit position but there is a lot that can happen before then,


with regard to Article 50. Joe Twyman, thank you. Brandon Lewis,


last week your colleague, Mr Stewart defended the increase of national


insurance contributions for the self-employed at the time the


Government was going a screeching U-Turn on this be subject. So within


ten minutes he then had to defend the fact they weren't going to


increase national insurance contributions. Would you like now to


take the same risk on the proposed change on school funding? Well


actually I have personally said as a backbencher, and as a Government


minister I support that. We need to do the review of school funding, it


is a formula that's out of date. The sector itself was clear and the work


and consultation is going on and it is still open it doesn't finish


until midnight. It is important that we look at increasing funding,


record levels of funding going into schools. We will come on to the


amount in a minute so let's just get this clear, you are in no doubt that


there will be no U-Turn on the new school funding formula? I think the


school funding formula is a piece of work that needed to be done. I think


the Department for Education and minister Nick Gibbes is doing a


phenomenally good piece of work to make sure we look at where the


funding is needed to get to the pupils who need it. So, if they do a


U-Turn on this, where would that leave you? The Government is always


looking at the department, the consultation finishes at midnight.


This'll look at the outcome before making... What and then U-Turn? I


think the funding formula review will continue and we'll see a new


funding formula for schools. It is much more controversial, much more


difficult to implement, let me put it that way because, of course, you


are actually cutting money to schools, aren't you? Funding for


schools is going up. What this is doing is how that cake is shared out


and looking at making sure we get a funding formula that is shared


correctly. Explain to me how funding is going up? Record levels of ?#40


billion it goes up to ?42 billion in 2019. You are dealing in money


terms, aren't you, not real terms. And when you take account of


inflation and the fact that the number of pupils is rising, it's


actually falling, isn't it? Well, if you look - in cash terms it is going


up to ?42 billion. ?2 billion is a lot of money. Not if inflation has


reached 2.3% and rising. So you are putting per pupil funding by around


8% in real terms, 8% between 2015 and 2020. There are two points I


will make to answer that. Firstly, I'm not shying away from the fact we


have had to make difficult decisions to the economy over the last years.


You can't then complain you are increasing in real terms? We are,


school term is at ?40 billion, a record level and going up to ?42


billion. And as a second pointed to help schools with the cost, we are


setting up with a buying scheme to make sure it is as efficient as


possible. A lot of schools aren't as owe fisht with were curement and


other things. That's another issue. Of course you want schools to be


efficient. Of course you have a Budget deficit to manage down,


particularly since you are way behind the original thought on that.


But that doesn't allow to you claim that you are in real terms,


increasing spending on education because let me give you the figures


here, funding per pupil will rise from ?5,447 in 2016 to ?5,519, so it


is a rise of about ?60, maybe a little more, by 2020. So, ?60-odd,


?70 over four years, that when you take inflation into account, is a


substantial reduction in real terms. Can we agree with that? Well, I


appreciate you have got inflakes you have changing costs but you also


have to recognise that is actually ?2 billion which is a huge sum of


money that is going up but it is also about getting right outcomes


and what is important with this in education as someone who has got


children and I have been in education in myself, those outcomes


for 1.8 million in et Bev, schoot and outstanding schools, more first


class teachers coming into teach and more children from deprived


backgrounds going to university and studying core subjects, the outcomes


of those children, the people we have to look to for our future is


really key. So why are you cutting the budget in real terms because in


money terms you will increase the budget, well, the budget will go up


by several billion, in money terms but once you take in inflation, and


the increase in the number of pupils. There is going to be a 4%


rise in primary school pupils, a 10% rise in secondary school pupils, the


IFS explains, that spending per pupil falls by 8% in real terms over


a five-year period. Why are you doing that? Well, first of all, yes


you are quite right, that funding, in cash terms increases by ?2


billion but your point about inflation is allowing for there to


be no benefits and no changes in the efficiency of how schools work and


we do want to see schools... A lot of schools have already done this.


There is a huge amount more we can do in terms of efficiencies, sharing


administration departments and doing much better on procurement and we


see this across a range of sectors, there is much more to do to make


sure we are getting the best for our money but ultimately I would argue


any parent and child out there, their main focus is the outcome. We


are improving. Any child out there is going to see an 8% cut in the


funding in real terms to them, so, whatever you - I'm not arguing about


efficiency, or even about the funding formula, I simply would like


to clarify and get it clear that in real terms, spending per pupil is


not rising, it is falling. Well that depends on what schools do around


their efficiencies. If they can be more efficient, it reduces cost, it


means the bds 2 billion increase on current record levels goes into the


pupils but it is also about making sure they get the best education. It


is better than it has ever been and we need to see it go further. So, we


have a Government, cutting funding per pupil. We have a Government that


is presiding over real problems in the NHS, as well, and a Government


that has a bit of an omni-shambles in the Budget. Why are you 19 points


behind in the polls? Well, Labour clearly isn't in a good position in


the opinion polls. We have a mountain to clie. I believe we can


climb that mountain. I think it was inevitable when Theresa May was


installed in Conservative Party leader that fl would be a period in


which the Conservatives would be boosted. But the Tory lead is


widening. It is not that at the start it went big baint by bit you


are clawing it back. It has got wider. In one poll after the


omni-shambles budget, the lead increased by three points, why is it


getting worse? The reality is that everyone in Labour needs to up their


game, the Conservatives need to up their game but your polling expert


was also correct when he said that the public don't like or don't


appreciate it when parties are disunited and when much of what is


on the television and in the papers are stories about one Labour MP


speaking out against another or talks about internal disputes into


the Labour Party, that cannot help Labour. Is that Tom Watson, the


deputy Chairman's, Tom Watson's fault? I'm not going to get into the


game of criticising my colleagues. You blamed that stuff for the reason


why you are so far behind in the polls and getting worse. Well, this


- well exhibitions of disunity and disagreement public in the Labour


Party didn't start this week. And I do... But there has been a quite


period but it has broken up again. I think Emily Thornbury was correct on


Newsnight the other night when she said that Labour needs to be outward


looking, not inward looking. My plea to everybody on the Labour Party,


whether on the left or the right of the Labour Party, is - let's unite


and let's look outward, not inward. On the doorstep and at my sessions,


people aren't raising with me the Labour Party National Executive


committee this, amendment or that at all. They probably lost interest.


They were never interested in the first place. That's a lot of what


you talk about. Except that it is clearly, according tou, having an


impact. Somebody is paying attention, otherwise you would not


be 19 points behind in the polls and when you call for party unionite, as


Mr Corbyn does regularly, is it not hypocritical qual for party unity,


whilst come of the people around Mr Corbyn are briefing against his


deputy leader. Well I don't agree of taking private disagreements into


the public arena, whoever does that. I don't know about briefing about


that, I don't know about anything like that. You know where the story


has come from. I don't actually. You were at the Shadow Cabinet meeting,


weren't you? I wasn't because I was in the chamber of the House of


Commons, doing my job, speaking for Labour on the prisons bill, so I


wasn't at the Shadow Cabinet. I usually am. Why is your membership


now falling? Well the membership of the Labour Party before the general


election is 170,000. It is still over... You had a huge bump, no


questions about that but it is now falling again, why? Well, at the end


of the day once a year you come to the point where people have to fill


in their... Actually pay. The reality is you will always get


people leaving a political party. Labour is still the biggest


left-of-centre party. Not for long... Have you seen how much the


German Social Democrats are rising? If people said a few years ago that


Labour would have 500,000 members I would have thought that was fan


toastical. If I said to you a year later 40,000 people were Ayerza


rears and memberships fallen below 500,000 you would have said what?


Well, Well it is not welcome that people leave but there is a huge


increase in the membership. Let me move on. Mr Livingston, who as you


know is always helpful to the Labour Party in his public pronouncements


has said that Mr Corbyn should suspend about a dozen disloyal


Labour MPs, include what say you? I don't think we should be in the game


of suspending MPs or attempting to deselect MPs. I thinks a distraction


and weed should be looking outward not inward my plea for everyone,


whether on the left or right, is to unite and look outward. Including Mr


Livingston, should do that? Of course.


Now, let's turn our attention to cake.


Our Foreign Secretary once famously declared that his policy


on cake was "pro having it and pro eating it".


Approximate He is a living embodiment of that. Who are we to


disagree? And it seems Boris Johnson's


colleagues have been getting in on the act,


taking part in a cake decorating contest for Comic Relief -


we'll have more on that later. Meanwhile, we're going to see


if we can engender a bit of cross-party artistic


collaboration here in the studio by asking our guests


if they can make less Oh, that doesn't look like it needs


decorating. It looks lovely. Like Brexit, we're looking


for something clean, uncomplicated, that the public can swallow


and preferably red, white and blue. And to go with with your


slice of patriotism, you obviously need tea and one


of these to put it in. And the only way to get one


is to tell us when this happened. And just to warn you, there


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just take a look at Big Ben - and that can mean only one thing -


yes, Prime Minister's That will lighten things um. Already


lightening up the studio, Laura Kuenssberg is here. You were telling


me that you think Mr Corbyn is going to go on schools funding? I think it


is very likely, not least because there is concern on the Labour


benches and lots of concern in the country. Many parents turning up to


public meetings on what is going on with their schools but there is also


concern on the Tory benches. Behind Theresa May there are plenty of


backbenchers, some former minute sisters, and one G Osborne who made


his concerns plain. I thought it was originallies his formula Well it


was. Never say that Mr G Osborne has what some people describe as you had


as aity. Is this Mr George Osborne former Chancellor, still MP or


George Osborne, editor-elect of the standed a. I think actually in a


letter to his local paper that he has published this morning, this is


one of the things he has said - I'm still a local MP fighting for you.


He has raised the schools' funding formula as something he has


expressed concerns about in Cheshire. He didn't quite mention


that actually it was something he announced as Chancellor, almost a


clear to the day. And beyond his territory somewhat at the time? It


was one of the interesting things, it was the sort of thing - here is


this Chancellor who had ambitions beyond his job. It was a Gordon


Brown move. It was a domestic land grab that David Cameron was in lock


step with. We can't forget how much the two of them were in lock step


together. It is a change in I would like to express my


condolences to the family and colleagues of the former First


Minister of Northern Ireland, Martin We do not condone the path he took


in the first period of his life. However, he played an indispensable


role in bringing the republican movement away from violence to


peaceful and democratic means and to building a better Northern Ireland.


This morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others


and in addition to my duties in this has, I shall have further such


meetings later today. The Prime Minister says that there is more


money for the National Health Service, more nurses and more


doctors, yet Bassetlaw breast care unit has been cut back and Bassetlaw


children's ward has been closed overnight. Something clearly does


not add up. I and the mothers of the most seriously ill children who use


the children's ward the most frequently offer to the Prime


Minister to work with her to solve this problem. Is her door at Number


Ten open to us? I say to the honourable gentleman, if we look at


what has happened in his area, his NHS Bassetlaw clinical commissioning


groups is receiving a cash increase, the Doncaster and Bassetlaw NHS


hospitals foundation trust have over 80 more doctors and nearly 30 more


nurses but of course what we see... He talks of listening to the voice


of local people in relation to health services in the local area.


That is exactly what the sustainability and transformation


plans are about. It is about hearing from local people and local


clinicians and putting together the health provisions that ensure that


they meet local needs. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Telford is a story of trans


formation and progress, from the ironmasters of the first industrial


revolution through to a new revolution in hi-tech manufacturing


in Telford today. It has helped build Britain. As this government


delivers on the democratic will of the British people and triggers


Article 50, will my right honourable friend tell us how Telford will


prosper from Brexit and from her plan for Britain? As I've said


before, the referendum result was not just about membership of the EU,


it was about to change the this country works and to make Britain a


country that works for everyone, not just the privileged few. And that's


why the plan for Britain is a plan to get the right deal for Britain


and abroad but also to build a stronger, fairer Britain for


ordinary working families here at home like those in Telford and I'm


pleased that we've already provided ?70 million of funding to the local


LEP to proof improve in the search in Telford. This government is


putting the resources and our plans are Britain will deliver that


stronger, fairer economy and a more united, more outward looking country


than ever before. Jeremy Corbyn. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.


Could I start by echoing the words of the Prime Minister concerning the


death of Martin McGuinness, the former deputy minister of Northern


Ireland. He died this week and our thoughts go to his family, his wife


Bernie and the wider community. Martin played an immeasurable role


in bringing about peace in Northern Ireland and it is that peace that we


all want to see energy for all time, for all people in Northern Ireland.


-- endure. The government is cutting the schools budget by 6.5% by 2020


and today, we learn the proposed national funding formula will leave


1000 schools across England facing additional cuts of a further 7%


beyond 2020. Can the Prime Minister explain to parents why cutting


capital gains tax, cutting inheritance tax, cutting corporation


tax, cutting bank levy are all more important than our children's


future? This government is committed to ensuring that all our children


get the education that is right for them and that all our children have


a good school plays. That is what the Government's plans for education


will provide and that is building on a fine record of the past nearly


seven years for Conservatives in government, when we've seen 1.8


million more children in good or outstanding schools. We've protected


the schools budget and the national funding formula is a consultation


and obviously there will be a number of views. The consultation closes


today and then the Department for Education will respond to that in


due course. The manifesto on which she fought the last election


promised that under a future Conservative government, the amount


of money following your child into school will be protected. No wonder


even be editor of the London Evening Standard is up in arms about this!


Where is he? There he is! Mr Speaker, the cuts to school funding


equates to the loss of two teachers across all primary schools, six


teachers across all secondary schools. So is the Prime Minister


advocating larger class sizes, shorter school days or unqualified


teachers? Which is it? As we said we would, we have protected the schools


budget. We now see more teachers in our schools, we see more teachers


with first-class degrees in our schools. As I say, we see 1.8


million more children in good or outstanding schools. That's a result


of the policies of this government, of diversity in education, Free


Schools, academies, comprehensives, faith schools, universities, grammar


schools. We believe in diversity in education and choice for parents. He


believes in a one size fits all, take it or leave it model. She was


clearly elected on a pledge not to cut school funding and that is


exactly what's happening. Maybe she could listen to headteachers in West


Sussex, who say they believe savings will come from, and I quote,


staffing reductions, further increased class sizes, withdrawal of


counselling and pastoral services, modified school hours, reduction in


books, IT and equipment. I've got a heartfelt letter from a primary


school teacher by Remain Eileen. Eileen is one of our many hard


working teachers who cares our kids and she wrote to me to say, teachers


are purchasing items such as pens, pencils, glue sticks and paper out


of their own pockets. Fundraising events have quadrupled as funds are


so low that parents are having to make donations to purchase books.


This is disgraceful, says Eileen. Does the Prime Minister agree with


Eileen? We are seeing record levels of funding going into our schools.


We have protected the schools budget, we protected the pupil


premium, but what matters for parents is the quality of... You


shouldn't keep yelling out, what about Eileen? The Prime Minister


is... The Prime Minister is giving her response to the leader of the is


a, including the references to Eileen. The Prime Minister. What


matters for all of us who are concerned about education in this


country is to ensure that the quality of education that has


provided our children is a quality that enabled them to get on in life


and have a better future. That is what this government is about. It is


about ensuring that in this country, you get an on the basis of merit,


not privileged. It is about ensuring every child, every child... Every


child across this country has the opportunity of a good school plays.


That's what we have been delivering for the past seven years and is what


we will deliver into the future and every single policy that has


delivered better education for children has been opposed by the


right honourable gentleman. Mr Speaker, maybe she could have a word


with her friend the Member for the Cotswolds who said this week, under


this new formula all my large primaries and all my secondaries


will actually see a cash cut in their budgets. And in the budget,


the Government found no more money for the schools budget but it did


find ?320 million for her own special schools, grammar schools


vanity project. So there was no money for Eileen's schools but 320


million for divisive grammar schools. What kind of priority is


that? First of all, what we have done in relation to the funding


formula is addressed an issue that Labour ignored for all its time in


government. Across... Across this House, there has generally, for many


years, been an accepted view that the current formula for school


funding is not fair. I was calling for a better funding formula over 15


years ago when I was the Shadow Education Secretary. We've put


forward a proposal, we are consulting on it, the consultation


closes today and we will respond to that consultation. But he talks


about the issue of the sort of system in schools we want. Yes, we


want to diversity, different sorts of schools. We have put money into


new school places but I say to the right honourable gentleman, his


Shadow Home Secretary sent her child to a private school, his shadow


Attorney General sent her child to a private school. He sent... He sent


his child to a grammar school. He went to a grammar school himself.


Typical Labour - take the advantage and pull up the ladder behind you.


Mr Speaker... I want a decent, their opportunity for every child in every


school. I want a staircase for all, not a ladder for the few. She hasn't


been very good at convincing the former Secretary of State for


Education, the honourable member for Loughborough, who wrote last week,"


all the evidence is clear that grammar schools damaged social


mobility". What evidence has the Prime Minister got that the former


Secretary of State is wrong in that? The evidence is that the attainment


for the poorest children, the attainment gap in a selective school


is virtually zero. That tells us the quality of the education that they


are getting. But what I want is a diverse education system, where


there are genuine opportunities for all to have the education that is


right for them. That's why in the budget, as well as dealing with the


issue of new school places, we've also put extra money into technical


education, for those young they will for whom the technical education is


right. He says he wants opportunities for all children, he


says he wants good school places for all children. When he should jolly


well support the policies we're putting forward. It is not just the


former Education Secretary, it is also the chair of the education


select committee, who says grammar schools do little for social


mobility and are an unnecessary distraction. Mr Speaker, the Prime


Minister and her government arbitrating a generation of young


people by cutting the funding of every child to adopt -- are


betraying. Children will have fewer teachers, larger classes, fewer


subjects to choose from and all the Prime Minister can do is focus on


her grammar school vanity project that can only ever benefit a few


children. Is the Prime Minister content that this generation, this


generation in our schools today, will see their schools decline,


their subject choices diminished, and their life chances held back by


decisions of her government today? Protected school funding, more


teachers in our schools, more teachers with first-class degrees in


our schools, more children in good or outstanding schools. It's not a


vanity project to want every child in this country to have a good


school plays, because that's how they will get on in life and that's


what this party will deliver. But it shows that there is a difference...


Yes. There is a difference between the right honourable gentleman and


meet it up earlier this week, he recorded a video calling for unity.


He called for Labour to think of our people first, think of our movement


first, think of the party first. That's the difference between him


and made it up labour but the party first, we put the country first.


Thank you, Mr Speaker. For searching Prime Ministers have taken a close


personal interest in the effectiveness of Dover and the


channelp ports as gateways and guardians of the kingdom. Can I ask


my right honourable friend to take a close interest in making sure Kent's


ports are ready for Brexit on day 1, not just for customs but also that


the lorry port is on schedule and that the Thames crossing are in


force. And Mr Speaker will you join with me and the Prime Minister in


wishing Dame Vera Lynn a happy 100th birthday this week? I'm extremely


grateful to the honourable gentleman, but I did do that a


couple of days ago. Mr Speaker, I didn't have the opportunity in this


House to do it a couple of days ago. I'm happy to wish Dame Vera Lynn a


very happy 100th birth day. I think it is right to recognise the service


she gave to this country as many others Z my honourable friend raises


an important issue of transport links in Kent and one which we have


discussed on a number of occasions as I have with other Kent MPs. In


addition to the M 20 lorry park I can assure him that the department


for department is fully committed to delivering a long-term solution as


quickly as possible. They're currently consider the findings of


the lower Thames crossing consultation and highways England


will be doing more detailed work on the A2 and the Home Office will be


looking very closely at what measures need to be in place for


Brexit for those coming across the border into Dover.


May I begin extending condolences as the Prime Minister and the leader of


the Labour Party have done to the family, friends and colleagues of


the former Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland, Martin McGuinness.


And we pay tribute to his contribution towards peace, whilst


never forgetting the terrible human price during the Troubles. Last


year, Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister promised that she would secure a


UK-wide agreement between the governments of Scotland, Wales and


Northern Ireland and her government, before triggering Article 50 own


Brexit. Article -- on Brexit. Since then, she has delayed, blocked, been


intransjet and lectured and surprise, surprise, she has no


agreement. There is no agreement. Will these be her negotiating


tactics with the European Union? Over the past few months, every


effort has been put in at various levels, at ministerial and official


levels to work with all the devolved administrations, to identify their


particular concerns and interests and to ensure we are able to take


those into account throughout the negotiating process and discussions


will continue in the future. What we want to ensure is that we get the


best-possible deal when we leave the European Union, for all the people


of the United Kingdom, including the people of Scotland. Because at heart


we are one people. And Mr Speaker, viewers will note that the Prime


Minister totally glossed over the fact she has reached no agreement


with the devolved governments of the United Kingdom. Mr Speaker, the


Prime Minister says that she wants Article 50 negotiations to lead to a


deal. And she wants people to know the outcome of that deal before it


is approved. So, will the Prime Minister confirm that in the period


for an I greement, the House of Commons will have a choice -- for an


agreement the House of Commons will have a choice, the House of Lords


will have a choice. The European Parliament will have a choi.s 27


Member States of the European Union will have a choice. Mr Speaker, if


it is right for all of them to have a choice about Scotland's future,


why should the people of Scotland not have a choice about their own


future? This isn't a question about whether the people of Scotland


should have a choice. The people of Scotland voted - exercised their


right to self-determination and voted in 2014 to remain a part of


the United Kingdom. The people of the United Kingdom last year voted


to leave the European Union. We are respecting both of those votes. He


is respecting neither of them. Mr Speaker, with her strong commitment


to defence, would my right honourable friend agree that we must


stem the outflow from our flow slinking forces? Could I urge her to


reconsidering the approximatelicy she inherited of encouraging service


families to get on the housinger why and on the other hand focussing the


Army in areas where there is no affordable housing and applying the


new landlord tax arrangements of they buy-to-let. Obviously I


recognise the passion with with my honourable friend has raised these


issues in relation to the Armed Forces. He raises an important point


but I can assure him we are fully committed to our goal of an


82,000-strong Army by 2020. He raises a point about service


accommodation. We want to ensure that people have a greater choice in


where they of live, by using private accommodation, and meeting their


aspirations for home-ownership. That's why we have set up the ?200


million forces help-to-buy scheme and we're considering to support


subsidised housing for service personnel and the pot of money will


not be cut. The Ministry of Defence is working with the Treasury in


relation to the issues he raises and I'm sure they will keep him updated.


Thank you Mr Speaker. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and


Northern Ireland will be 95 years' old in December N that UK-Scottish


economic growth is one-quarter of that independent Iceland and


one-third of independent Ireland. Now, given the Prime Minister


supports Irish independence and the benefits it has brought its economy


and population, why does she owe pose it for Scotland and will she


show Scotland the respect the EU shows the UK in regards to a


referendum. I have to say to the honourable gentleman that if he is


looking at issues around economic growth and he quoted figures for


economic groat. He should pay attention for the most important


market for Scotland. The most important market for Scotland is the


market of the United Kingdom and this is' why Scotland should remain


part of it. -- and that's why. Thank you, Mr Speaker, last week, with


cross-party support my honourable friend for chipping ham and I set up


an all-party group for lime disease this, debilitating disease is a


growing problem across the country and including my constituency of


North Dorset, yet awareness of it amongst the public and GPs is


incredibly low. Will my right honourable friend ensure that her


Government does all that it can to raise its profile and resolve the


problems surrounding both diagnosis and treatment? Well, my honourable


friend raises an important point. I commend him and my honourable friend


the member for chipping ham for the attention that is now going given in


the House to this issue. He is right, we do need to raise awareness


of this issue but we also need to ensure that diagnosis and treatment


is - early diagnosis and treatment is there because that's the best way


of limiting the complications from this particular disease. The


Department of Health is already taking steps, clinical guidelines


are being updated and enhanced by NICE. NHS England has undertaken


robust reviews on diagnosis, testing and treatment but there is more that


we can do and so Public Health England is holding regular medical


training days and conducting outreach across the medical


community to raise awareness and ensure that that early diagnosis is


there. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Yesterday in


a Westminster Hall debate a Health Minister said the issue in hand was


above his pay grade. On the basis that the Prime Minister has the top


pay grade, can she give us a clue as to when we'll see the long-aed


waited and very late tobacco-control plan? I can assure him that we are


working on the tobacco control plan and one will be issued in due


course. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Recently a


substantial number of Government ministers took the opportunity to


visit Cumbria. . Hear, hear. They saw for themselves not only its


beauty, but also its industrial strengths and its potential. If the


Government's industrial strategy is to succeed, places such as Cumbria


need to be part of that success. Plot Prime Minister ensure that


Cumbria gets the infrastructure investment which it requires to make


sure that it really does fulfil its potential? I can assure my


honourable friend that I and other ministerial colleagues were


delighted to be able it take the opportunity to visit the beautiful


county of Cumbria and we are even happier now Cumbria has another


strong force in the form of the Conservative MP for Copeland. But


he's right, Cumbria and the north-west has huge industrial


potential that's why we are getting on delivering our investment plans


across the country, including in the north-west. And just some figures,


?556 million allocated to produce productivity and north is getting


?156 million to tackle congestion and local interest. But it is our


plan for Britain that will deliver the stronger, fairer economy, and


that will deliver the higher-paid, higher-skilled jobs for people


across the whole country. The Prime Minister is in denial.


Today's report from the Institute for Fiscal Studies confirms that


schools are already facing "The largest cut in spending per pupil


over a four-year period since at least the early 1980s." And that


under her new national formula "You funding is diverted from schools


with very high level of deprivation." Every single school in


my constituency will lose an average of ?584 per pupil. Has she failed at


maths or failed to read her own manifesto? I responded to this point


earlier but just to reiterate - across this House, for many years,


there has been a general acceptance that the current funding formula for


schools is unfair. That is why this Government is looking to find a


formula, a fairer formula. There is a consultation exercise and the


Department for Education will respond to that in due course. We


are grasping this issue. Labour did nothing for 13 years.


Can my right honourable friend confirm that in the forthcoming


debate on the restoration and renewal of Parliament, all members,


including ministers, will have a completely free vote in what is a


House matter? And does she understand that many of us believe


that in these times of austerity, we should not be front-loading billions


of pounds worth of expenditure on ourselves at the expense of schools


and hospitals, but that we should carry on the work and stay in what


is the iconic image of the nation? Well, this Palace of Westminster is


world renowned, tss a very important part of our national heritage. It


belongs to the people of the United Kingdom and of course we have a


responsibility to our constituents, also, to preserve this place as the


home of our democracy. It will be for Parliament to take the final


decision on this matter but I can assure my honourable friend, as it


will be a House matter, it will be a free vote. Thank you Mr Speaker, air


and road pollution, caused mainly by diesel engines brings about 40,000


early deaths in this country, while causing severe lung diseases, like


bronchitis and asthma in our young people and children. A road in my


constituency in Crumlin is the most polluted road outside of lob dovenl


it is an absolute disgrace. Most of it is caused by HGVs lorries


travelling up that road, spewing out noxious gases on the residents. Will


the Prime Minister commit to ensure that hauliers will start using newer


diesel engines and cleaner technology and cleaner inner joy to


ensure that everybody, including our young people, can enjoy a better


quality of life, especially on the road in my constituency? The


honourable gentleman speaks up well for his constituents. I have to say


to him this is an issue that we all recognise, the problems in relation


to air quality. That's why the Government will be bringing forward


further proposals in relation to air quality. We have seen some changes


taking place and we have, of course, put investment into green transport


initiatives and plans to introduce clean air zones around the country


will help to tackle and that in fact we have been at the forefront of


action in Europe in some aspects in relation to this. I accept there is


more to be done. As I say we'll bring forward further proportional


in due course Compensation paid by Network Rail to train operators for


delays, far exceeds the amount that the passengers who have experienced


the delayed are getting because the process can be come boresome. Will


the Prime Minister insist the train operators ringfence that company,


spend it on smart ticketing automation, so customers can tap on


and tap off their train and receive the amount in their bank account for


the delays they have been caused? My honourable friend does raise an


important point. I know it is a source of much frustration to many


rail travellers but I would also like it thank him for the way in


which he and others have spoken up on behalf of passengers especially


on the Thameslink, Southern and other lines. Now the best way to


ensure that the operators do not profit from unclaimed compensation


is for passengers to claim the compensation that they are entitled


to and we are looking and Department for Transport is looking at how we


can ensure that we publicise compensation schemes, make claims


easier and we are rolling out improved delay repay compensation to


allow passengers to claim after a delay of 15 minutes but the


Department for Transport is continuing to look at this issue and


I'm sure will pick up the points he has raised.


Last week the Electoral Commission issued its largest ever find the


Conservative Party for breaking a vital and crucial election ruled.


What did the Prime Minister, the Cabinet and her assistants know


about this activity, who was responsible for designing and


signing off all of this and does she agree with me that this is at best


wilful negligence and at worst pure electoral fraud? The honourable


gentleman is asking me to respond to what is a party matter but I can


assure him that the Conservative Party debt campaign in 2015 across


the country for the return of a Conservative government and we


should be clear that such campaigning would be part of the


party's national return, not candidates' local return, as the


Electoral Commission itself has said. We accepted in April 2016, the


party accepted Ray Poar 2016, it had made an administrative error on its


national spending. -- accepted in April 2016. It brought back to the


attention of the commission to amend its national return. National


spending is a question for the national party, not for individual


members. The Electoral Commission has looked into these issues, as it


has for the Liberal Democrat party and the Labour Party, it has issued


fines to all three parties and those fines will be paid. The


international trade committee has been taking evidence from the


chambers of commerce this morning about exports. Given the Prime


Minister's commitment to a global Britain, would she agree with me


that we can maintain good relations with our European friends as we


leave the EU and build on our long-standing relationships with our


Commonwealth friends across the world to trade our way to greater


prosperity? I say to him, obviously one of the four pillars are planned


for Britain is that global Britain, and more outward looking Britain. He


is right, it's not just a question of ensuring you get the right


relationship with Europe when we leave the EU, we do want to continue


to have a partnership, to be able to trade freely across Europe and for


companies in European member states, EU member states, to trade with us.


But we do want to enhance and improve the arrangements we have


portrayed in other parts of the world, including members of the


Commonwealth. Last week, through no fault of our own, Amy and her young


daughter became homeless. After months of looking for a flat, she


finally went to Merton council, who told her they could only offer her


temporary accommodation in Birmingham, 140 miles away from her


job, from her daughter's school and from the friends and family who make


it possible for her to be a working single mum. Can I ask the Prime


Minister, in one of the richest cities in the world, where Russian


oligarchs and Chinese banks own scores of properties and leave them


empty, how can it be right that a London born working family like Amy


have not a room to live? Well, the issue, obviously, of housing in the


London Borough of Merton is one that the honourable lady and I worked on


many years ago when we were on the housing committee of the London


Borough of Merton together and I recognise that she has raised a


concern for her constituent. Obviously, I won't comment on the


individual case. What I will say is what's important is that overall,


the Government is dealing with the issue of homelessness, we are rich


we are building more homes, we are giving more support to people to get


into their own homes. -- we are ensuring we are building more homes.


That will take time and as we ensure we maintain the record that we have


in providing housing support in all types of housing across this


country. As the Prime Minister already said, it must be right that


the same pupils with the same characteristics attract the same


amount of money and that is an unfairness that was not challenged


for 13 years under the Labour government. Yes, there needed to be


changes to the current draft formula but I hope that she will commit to


confirm -- to fulfilling our manifesto promise of making school


funding fairer and I think she will agree with me that if the Labour


Party had carried on in office, their spending plans would have led


to what has happened in Greece and Spain where not just hundreds, but


tens of thousands of teachers, have had to be fired. My right honourable


friend is right. As I said earlier, this is an issue in terms of the


funding formula for schools that was docked for too long and certainly


doctored by the last Labour government. We have started to


address it. -- docked. We have put forward a proposal, we will look at


the consultation responses on that and respond in due course but she is


absolutely right about the Labour Party. The Labour Party's education


policies would mean fewer opportunities in schools and their


economic policy would mean less funding for schools. Last week, her


government confirmed that an assessment of the economic impact of


the failure to strike in EU deal before exited top is it not the case


that in triggering Article 50 last week, she is the military equivalent


of Lord Cardigan, the military commander responsible for the child


of light Brigade, and we all love how that ended? In triggering


Article 50 next week, what I'm doing is responding to the wishes of the


British people. Does the Prime Minister agree that we urgently need


to find a solution to the impacts of the national living wage on sleeping


shifts in the care sector? This, together with HMRC policies that are


insisting on a payment of six-years' backpay plus penalties, may have a


devastating impact on this vitally important sector. He has raised a


very important point and obviously, through the national living wage, we


are giving Britain a pay rise, making sure pay is fair, in social


care and all sectors. But on the specific pointy has raised, this is


an issue we are addressing, we are looking at it very carefully,


including in the context of the funding pressures on social care. We


are working to ensure it affects low paid workers in a fair and


proportionate manner. As the Chancellor announced in the budget,


?2 billion of extra money is going into the social care sector but the


very specific issue my honourable friend has raised is being carefully


looked at by the Treasury. Despite austerity, shocking pay increases


were awarded to the board of Liverpool CCG, where a lady deputy


chair is paid over ?100,000 after a 43% increase. -- a lay deputy


checked it would the Minister agree to investigate this and the lack of


scrutiny within the wider Liverpool health economy, whilst ensuring that


no murders take place while this is investigated? I understand that the


Health Secretary has asked NHS England to investigate the


remuneration of nonexecutive directors at Liverpool CCG and I'm


sure he will keep updated about this. We want to make the NHS even


more efficient so every penny possible can be spent on front line


patient care and we are seeing results, I'm pleased to say, because


we now see a financial position that has improved by 1.3 billion compared


to this time last year with 44 fewer trust endeavours it but, as I say,


NHS England is investigating the issue she has raised. The Prime


Minister will be aware that the Jo Cox commission on loneliness is


calling us all to action to highlight and tackle loneliness. In


Northumberland, a small charity of which I'm a patron is taking up this


challenge with female military veterans who are suffering from


severe isolation issues. With the Prime Minister meet with me and some


of these extraordinary women to learn how our government can help?


Can I commend the work that is being done by that organisation in my


honourable friend's constituency. It sounds like a valuable project doing


valuable work and state for defence will be happy to meet her. Tomorrow


the schools minister has been good enough to meet Erdington


Headteachers from a constituency rich in talent but one of the


poorest in the country in a city, Birmingham, where 96% of schools


will lose a total of ?20 million under the government's fair funding


formula, yet Surrey gained 17 million, Southwark gains ten million


and Windsor and Maidenhead gained 300,000. How can that possibly be


fair? I note that the schools minister will be meeting the


honourable gentleman and head teachers to discuss this issue. What


the fair funding formula is looking at is trying to ensure that the


unfair funding which has existed up till now is actually dealt with, and


there are some very, very stark differences. There are schools in


London, for example, that gets almost twice the funding of schools


in other parts of the country. We need to ensure that we are


addressing the unfairness in the funding formula but, as I said


earlier, there was a consultation exercise and the department will


respond in due course. As Laura predicted, the Leader of


the Opposition went on school funding. It was a matter we


discussed before let's find out first what our viewers made of this.


This from John Wakefield in London, we keep hearing the mantra from the


Tories when the issue of austerity is raised regarding spending, the


children of tomorrow will have to pay the price, well, it appears the


children of today do not count. Helen Manning says, Jeremy Corbyn


and his front bench went to grammar and private schools while they want


to pull up the drawbridge for the rest of us? The Prime Minister is


right to offer diversity of choice and should stick to her guns. Tom


Baker says the schools budget is being protected but Jeremy Corbyn


says it is being cut. The Prime Minister seemed unconvincing and


even started to lose her cool. And John Gilbert from Leicester says,


"For Jeremy Corbyn today and he actually managed to score. One of


Theresa May's worst performances, trying to defend the indefensible.


This is a matter for England. 11,000 schools better off, 9000 worse off.


Those who are worse off will always have the loudest voices. Is the


government worried that it can carry the Tory backbenches on this? I was


talking to a cabinet minister about this earlier this week and at this


stage, they do not see this as the next national insurance or the next


business rates budget or the next U-turn, at this stage. There are


several reasons for that. First, the consultation is a safety valve for


the government. Any government, when they are trying to do anything


difficult, you have a consultation, get all the worries out there, you


can always tweak, change, redraft the plans. Secondly, this was the


Conservative manifesto and look what has just happened in the last two


weeks. They've dumped something in the budget at 100 miles an hour


because of the accusation of breaking a manifesto promise.


Thirdly, there is a genuine belief, as we heard the Prime Minister,


having quite a hard time trying to defend the idea behind this, that


the change is long overdue. I think there will probably be an awful lot


of tweaking and redrafting. But they're not minded at this moment to


budge on the principle of whether or not the change, the principle of the


change, has to happen. Brandon Lewis, the Conservative manifesto


did not use the phrase per-pupil bodies at the following... "Under a


future Conservative government, the amount of money following your child


into school will be protected". I think most people would assume that


that protects spending per pupil. I will repeat the words. "The amount


of money following your child into school will be protected". I read


that that it is about protecting that schools budget. As the Prime


Minister said, we have done that and it is increasing. No, the amount of


money following your child, as if each child had a bag of money to go


in that would help to pay for their school education. That amount into


school will be protected. Philip Hammond said it was important to


live by the spirit of the manifesto, as well as the exact letter, which


is why he had to do the U-turn on national insurance. I would suggest


to you that many people would think the spirit there, if not the exact


letter, of the amount of money following your child into school


will be protected, is that spending per pupil will be protected. I think


it's a something quite different to that. My interpretation is that it


is making a general point about children, it is not saying


per-pupil, it is talking about your child in a general sense and I think


the spirit of the manifesto means education spending is protected. It


has gone up to 42 billion. But as we said in a manifesto, making sure you


have a fair funding formula. We are having to do work in a range of


sectors to get a fair formula. The manifesto goes on to say in the next


sentence, "Having said that the amount of money following your child


into school will be protected, as the number of pupils increases,"


because the government knew that... It is not a difficult thing to


predict for primary and secondary education, that the number of pupils


increases, "So will the amount of money into our schools". But having


said the amount following your child would be protected and that will be


protected even as the number of pupils arises, you didn't do that


because with the rise in the number of pupils, the amount per as we've


established earlier, is falling in real terms by about a % so I put it


to you again, a lot of people will think you have not kept to the


spirit of that manifesto. Auto I disagree with your issue. I


appreciate about inflation but there is work we can do around


efficiencies but it is making sure everybody has fair funding so pupils


wherever they are in the country get funding that is fair that hasn't


been dealt with for a long time. It is important we get it done. Hold


on, there is nowhere in the manifesto... That's also why it is


important that we get... It says it doesn't say - in order to keep the


funding up in real terms, it is not in the manifesto You are talking


about the real terms, and efficiency is part of that. It is important we


get that right. Costs are going up Schools can look at some of the


efficiency in terms of procurement, HR, What about staffing costs and


pension contributions? Staffing costs are part of HR. If you are


looking at schools and there are schools who have their own teams


looking at mod argues, HR and legal issues. Sharing those across schools


in the same area can bring huge efficiencies but it is about making


sure we get the best outcomes. It is one of the reasons why the


Government could be in political trouble. Two things are smashing


upping together: One, the real pressure you have been discussing on


schools budgets and the schools changes to how the formula are


calculated for who gets what. Now, in theory, this policy land, those


are two different things, but here what they mean n practice, are


potentially much bigger losses than otherwise would've happened for


schools in different pockets of the country. Two things going on, cuts


on the one hand and changes to the formula that are making itting


together, such a political problem. Is Labour -- making it together. Is


Labour in favour of the principle behind the school funding formula


Well, Labour is obviously very concerned that there has b as you


have said, a broken promise, that was in the spirit of the


Conservative manifesto, the detail. What concerns us is that these cuts


mean the logs of two secondary school teachers in every secondary


school across the country but at the same time the Government is finding


money, that Jeremy Corbyn said today this, vanity project of expanding


divisive grammar schools. Let me come back to the spending in a


minute but nemplts principle behind school funding, attempting to


equalise spending, to bring spending for each school more in line with


the circumstances of that school, because there are huge variations at


the moment, do you support that principle or not? Well, Labour


doesn't believe that it should be the that in some parts of the


country people get much more funding than others in similar social


circumstances. So you do support the principle? We support the principle


of fair funding for pupils so there aren't pupils being left behind, who


are in the same social circumstances as people in... I understand but


that's what prompted the new form la. The thing that particularly


concerns us, the nub of it that concerns Labour is the fact that


these cuts, another broken proims, will mean less money for pupils in


our schools across the country. So, the Institute for Fiscal Studies, as


I have been probably labouring, with a small l, here, is likely to fall


by about 8% over the next five years, in the lifetime of this


Parliament, it is going to call by 8%. Would Labour restore that? Well,


what Labour wouldn't have done is give tax cuts to the very richest,


corporation tax cuts as well. But you have already spent that. Which


has seen a forecast from the House of Commons' library of losses to the


public purse of billions and billions of pounds. That's not from


the House of Commons library. What the Labour Party did was to consult


House of Commons' library. That is not research by the Commons' library


which we regard as the gold standard. I think you have to be


careful when you use that. It is your research, you consulted the


Commons. Let me,back to this - would you make up the short fall of the 8%


cut, and if so, how would you pay for it Well, Labour announced its


specific problem in due course. -- will announce. So you don't know.


When it comes to specific spending commitments on education and a host


of other thing, Labour will announce. No opposition will be


announcing detailed spending plans years and years away from the next


election. I don't think, yes, except as I have been told by other members


on other problems of your party, you are on an election footing. I was


told at the weekend on the Sunday politics by your head of election,


Mr Gwyn, if they were to go for an early election, Labour MPs would


vote and Mr Corbyn would vote for an early election. Is that right? If it


is the case you are applying, that would mean we would have to print a


general election manifesto every day. No because you aspire to run


the country and you think an election could be called at any


moment, Mr Corbyn has told us and that has been since the election


last September, given how much you care about health and education, you


must have developed these policies, so it is fair to ask, how would you


reverse the 8% cut in real terms. If so, do you know how much it would


cost and how much would you pay? How would you pay for it? Our priorities


are fundamentally different to the priorities of the Conservative


Government. I'm in the asking that. People need to know that out there.


They need to know if you know how to pay for all these spending pledges.


So far you've spent the reverse of the corporation tax about eight


times. 10. Well I missed the last two. We wouldn't be making those


decisions to release money from the public purse, miss money out from


the public coffers, at the same time as cutting pupil finding and


breaking Labour manifestos. I wasn't asking what you weren't going to do,


I was trying to find out what are you going to do. I'm sure if there


is an early election you have something in the bottom drawer to


answer the questions. Lawyeria, final word? I think it is risskey


territory from the Government. I think it was an unusually angry


Prime Minister's Questions on both sides and pure ideological


difference. The Prime Minister's plans to bring back grammars, all


this simmering away. Very uncomfortable for the Government


Very uncomfortable. A better week for Jeremy Corbyn. Not killer blows


but this is an issue that's very give and right now they don't want


to budge on this principle, as I was suggesting, but you never know. We


shall see. We are learning it is a Government that is willing to change


its mind as things get hard. Keep your eye on school funding. It is


time to talk about cake. Crumbs, eh? So what happens when -


for Comic Relief, of course - you put a load of parliamentarians


in a big tent with a load Mm, nice cup of tea,


wasn't that a long PMQs. What I could really


do with now is a... Cake ruined - I mean decorated


by the hands of democrasy and The reigning champion was hungry


for victory once more. When it comes to baking cakes


and decorating cakes, more is more, that's a lesson my children


have taught me. I think we have a high


art concept cake there and I'm looking forward


to win the prize. The rampant bunny cupcake,


specially designed for Comic Relief and it's


only 99 calories. Interesting our MPs chose cake


decorating over sitting in a bath of baked beans to raise


money for Comic Relief. When I was a teacher,


I once taught for a whole day dressed up as a duck


and I've always felt that maybe we should do something


like that in Parliament. I've never been able to find a taker


for this approach, so, You can expect next door's hamster


to decorate a cake better than most of these MPs,


but it's great fun and it's Do you know what,


this lot are rubbish. Yeah, all right, it


all tastes the same. That was hopeless. My mother used to


say - it's all going down the same way. That's true but you want to


look nice as well. Talking of which, here is how we got on with our


earlier efforts. We asked our esteemed guests and give them a cake


each. Look there they are, it looks like the Generation Game, do you


remember they used to do that. Cuddly toy. Good game, good game. We


gave them a set of different coloured icing. Look, the two


concentrating so hard. Look, you can see Brandon Lewis thinks he's got


something beautiful being created. I never said that. I said you


thought it. And Richard Burgon going for what I would say is a - Labour


motive. A Labour rose. You are very politically correct. There is mine.


Andrew didn't think I would finish my piping during PMQs.


I didn't think you would but then I stopped caring.


So, to give us an idea of what a well decorated


cake should look like, we have brought in an expert.


Yes, I said "expert" - a cake school tutor from Konditor


Show us how it should be done. What are you got on the top of your cake?


So, I got the Daily Politics theme on there and a bit of the style of


the logo. I got the... The colours a little bit. The BBC logo of course


and some elements into the politics I designed. So when you do it,


hopefully a little bit better than you... Them, I think, not me All of


you, exactly. You have to have a steady hand. You do. It is quite


difficult. Actually the quicker you go, the better it is. Can you judge


in Richard and Brandon's case? It is quite minimalistic. I said - less is


more. But we can definitely stick to the swirly pattern that we normally


have on our cakes. I can see some Easter trends with an Easter nest.


And obviously the roses there. Have they risen to the challenge? Well, I


would say, definitely kept to the theme of, you know - the rose. It is


safe for public consumption as well? Is it? Now, what about mine? Is that


half-baked or... ? I like it because it has a nice border which we always


try to do at our company. And also, I like the sort of - there is


definitely a flower theme to it, I like the flower with a swirl in the


centre. I'm not sure it would be. If there was a euphemism for Brexit,


Andrew, in terms of clean, uncomplicated, falling off a cliff


edge. What? Never mind. You have to


remember it is for Comic Relief. Did you actually take part in the film?


No, I wasn't there for that. Sadly not. And I don't think you will be


asked. Don't worry. Can you be taught how to do this. Richard says


he hasn't been trained which implies if he was trained... You can be very


much taught. I do this on a daily bases, I'm a teacher. You Kyoto


Protocol prove, come and see me. Right we need to go.


There's just time to put you out of your misery and give


It was 1992. Richard, press the red button. There we go.


Bill Thomas. 1992, well done. We don't know where you are fro but


we'll leave that. The One O'Clock News is starting


over on BBC One now. Jo and I will be here at noon


tomorrow with all the big political


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