22/03/2017 Daily Politics


22/03/2017

Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn look at upcoming issues for the prime minister and introduce coverage of PMQs. They are joined by Brandon Lewis, Richard Burgon and Laura Kuenssberg.


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The Government announces a ban on laptops

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and tablets in aircraft cabins on certain flights

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US media says it's in response to a specific threat

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In one week, the Prime Minister will formally

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launch the process which will take us out of the EU.

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It's the number one item in her in-tray.

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But what does it mean for the Government's other priorities?

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It's been a tough few days for Jeremy Corbyn as Labour's

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Can he regain the initiative at PMQs?

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And it's the great political cake-off as MPs get

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Or will it be soggy bottoms all round?

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You could expect next door's hamster to decorate a cake better than most

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of these MPs but it's great fun and it's for a very good cause.

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I thought you did very well reading that! It was full of pitfalls. It

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was a bit of a tongue twister! All that in the next 90 minutes

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and with us for the duration, Home Office Minister Brandon Lewis,

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and Shadow Justice Now, Brandon is specifically

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the Minister for Policing and Fire, although it's not clear who has

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the brief for earth and wind. We could keep this going right up to

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PMQs! Richard is also the Shadow Lord

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Chancellor, which means, if he ever gets into government,

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he'll get to wear the full legal state dress - black silk

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velvet cutaway tail coat, a waistcoat and breeches,

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lace cuffs, black silk stockings, It's the uniform all good

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socialists aspire to! Downing Street has confirmed

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that it will place a ban large electrical devices in some

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aircraft cabins in the coming days. The ban will affect passengers

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travelling on direct flights to the UK from six countries

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in the Middle East. The US government has also announced

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similar restrictions They are from the Middle East, not

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exactly the same countries as the UK.

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Reports in the American media suggest the ban was prompted

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by intelligence of a terror threat to US-bound flights.

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Let's talk to Tom Wilson from the Henry Jackson Society,

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which is a foreign affairs think tank.

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Let's get this... We believe there is some specific intelligence of

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this sort of threat to US and now possibly British flights. Is that

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correct? What more do we know? I think there must be something quite

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specific for both the UK and there has been word that Canada might also

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implement a similar ban. Also the fact that you got people not just in

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the Trump administration but also Democrats in Congress who have seen

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some of this intelligence who seem to support this ban. As well as

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they're probably being something quite specific, we have now seen

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mounting concerns about attacks relating to aviation. In 2016 there

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was an attempted attack in Somalia by Al-Shabab. In 2015, a group

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linked to ISA managed to take out a Russian passenger jet, so there have

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been mounting and ongoing fears in recent years. But these events

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happened a little while ago, still in the recent history but a little

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while ago. Something must have happened. Do you think there might

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have been a technology breakthrough in that the bomb makers know how to

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turn not just laptop batteries but the batteries on tablets into bombs,

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in effect, so that when they are switched on they explode on air in

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the cabin? There have been some reports, confirmed so far I think,

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that there may be an Al-Qaeda affiliated group that has been

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specifically looking into technology related to planting explosives

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inside batteries of laptops, tablets or perhaps something even smaller. I

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think one question we do have is whether or not the concern is about

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the kind of device that would be triggered by an individual outside,

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actually in the cabin, or whether or not the device could go off

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automatically without someone being able to trigger its. One final

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question lots of people have been asking. As I understand it, you will

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still be allowed to check these things into the hold and people have

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said, maybe the bomb could go off there but you would then have to add

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a timer to it, which complicates matters. Aircraft are not always

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unscheduled. It really works, as I understand it, by you switch it on

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which is why the biggest danger is in the cabin. Exactly, and in the

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past that was always the case with aviation bombing, such as the shoe

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bomb plot, plots to do with liquid explosives which we saw in the

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mid-2000s. But I think there is a higher level of technology needed if

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you've got some kind of time, although it was suggested in the

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case of the Sharm el-Sheikh bombing that the exposer was in the hold. I

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think it may be the case that airport authorities are able to

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check what goes into the hold more closely than what passengers are

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taking on with them. We will leave at there. Thank you for joining us

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in the rain. I was going to pick up on that point

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with Brandon Lewis about what evidence there is that it will make

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us safer, even if there is this point about triggering any device,

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as we just heard from our guest, the major attack back in 2015 when the

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Russian airliner was brought down, killing over 200 people, it is

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thought the bomb was hold luggage so what evidence is there that this

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will make us safer? For these reasons, I can't comment on

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particular threats, but we have been on a severe flooding for some time

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now and the Prime Minister has been chairing meetings for a number of

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weeks looking at those threats and a decision was made to put this ban on

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these particular flights to make sure that we keep people safe while

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they are flying and keep British citizens safe. At what is the

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evidence that it will keep us safer? If you can still put laptops,

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tablets and other large electronic devices in the hold, and bombs can

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be triggered there, how much safer will it really make us by preventing

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people taking these electronic gadgets in their hand luggage? The

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assessment has been made looking at what the threats are. Putting this

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ban on these flights in this way makes people say the. I can't go

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into the details of specific threats because we don't comment on specific

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threats like a lot but a decision has been made in light of the

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evidence that we've got, the meeting the Prime Minister has been chairing

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herself over the last few weeks, to make sure we are doing the right

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thing. There has to be some sort of logic to its. One security expert

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has suggested it could actually make us less safe because, as you know,

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in the case of cabin baggage, the case can be opened in front of the

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owner of that particular bag and individual items can be checked in

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front of them. That isn't the case, obviously, when it goes into the

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hold. I can say there is logic and there is an assessment of what the

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threat is and advice has been given by the experts, the security teams,

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and the decision has been made that the best thing to do to make sure

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people are safest but a ban on these particular types of equipment. How

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much disruption do you think it will cause? Adamant it will cause too

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much disruption. People should check with their travel agents when they

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are travelling from those countries, they need to have it in their hold

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luggage. That means putting it in hold luggage rather than in hand

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luggage or when they get to the airline check-in, the airline will

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be advising them to put it in the hold luggage as they check in. There

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may be some delays for them in doing that but that's the only disruption

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message be -- there should be. People travelling, let's say, from

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Turkey to London, it affects direct flights but what if you want to

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travel from Turkey to Paris and you actually are able then to keep your

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laptop with you, you then change flights, change airlines in Paris

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and travel to London but you have originally come from Turkey. People

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would be able to take their laptops into the cabin. You're quite right,

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the banners on those very specific direct flights. So you will be able

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to get round it. We continue to work with our colleagues and partners in

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other countries around the world to do everything we can to make sure

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airline safety is safe. A particular decision has been taken about these

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flights. If you come in from Turkey into Paris and you are going on a

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different line, say to America, they will make you go through security

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again, as they do in London now. And as was said in the Henry Jackson

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Society comment, luggage that goes through the hold goes through a

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certain security check as well but the decision has been made. We have

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been severe flooding for sometime now and this the right decision to

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make sure safety is paramount. Once was male scissors, then liquids, now

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it is your iPad. -- nail scissors. Now, in exactly one week,

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Theresa May will send a letter to the European Council,

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triggering Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty

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and so beginning the formal process It will be an historic moment

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and will clearly dominate politics But there are plenty of other issues

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that the Government is wrestling with, and you can be sure that

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here at the Daily Politics we will be holding ministers' feet

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to the fire on all Government It's a busy time for

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politicians on all sides. As well as Brexit, the other huge

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constitutional issue for Theresa May is a possible second

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Scottish independence referendum. This afternoon the Scottish

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Parliament will vote on whether to request a new poll,

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something which the UK Government has said they won't allow

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until after Britain has left the EU. Schools funding in England

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is another hot potato at the moment. The Government is trying to push

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through a new funding formula for schools, which has

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angered many headteachers. The Prime Minister has also

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promised to push ahead with new grammar schools,

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although the issue is angering Social care is another issue that

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will be taxing minds in Whitehall. The Chancellor announced an extra

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?2 billion over the next three years but many are warning

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it's not enough. Linked to that is health spending,

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with funding pressures And if that's not enough,

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the Conservative Party is facing police probes

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into their election expenses. Last week they were fined ?70,000

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and 12 police forces have asked the Crown Prosecution Service

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to consider whether there If you think that's tough,

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imagine being Jeremy Corbyn. Yesterday MPs rounded

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on the Labour Leader at a Parliamentary Labour Party

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meeting for apparently briefing Many MPs are angry at Mr Corbyn's

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leadership, particularly because Labour's poll

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ratings aren't good. Earlier this week,

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a Guardian-ICM poll put Labour on 26%, with the Conservatives

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on 45%. Joining me now is Joe Twyman from

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the polling company YouGov. 19 points behind Fort Labour. Is that

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now becoming an established trend? It certainly seems to be. Our most

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recent poll for the Times has Labour on 25%, where they've been

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consistently for the past few weeks, and the Conservatives on 41 and they

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have been low to middle 40s for some time. That is clearly a difficult

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situation for the Labour Party to be in but if you look beyond the

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figures, the situation gets worse when you ask people who would make

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the best Prime Minister. Theresa May is ahead by some distance. Fewer

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than half of Labour supporters actually think that Jeremy Corbyn

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could be the best Prime Minister. Most of them say they don't know but

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it is still a difficult situation to be in and when you look at things

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like jobs, housing, the economy, Ronnie Corbett is behind Theresa

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May, often by some distance, so that is a difficult situation to be in

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and there is no getting away from that. But there is a big but coming

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and that is surrounding Brexit. We don't know how things are going to

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go. We asked people if there were a general election tomorrow, how would

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you vote, but we know there isn't a general election tomorrow and there

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was not going to be one on me the fourth, we hear now. It is more

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likely to be in 2020 and where the country will be at that stage could

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determine massive differences. So while Labour are behind at the

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moment, it could be the case that seeing a Brexit disaster with the

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Conservatives could mean Labour pull ahead but the point is, we don't

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know. And the Shadow Chancellor John McDonell has said Labour will be

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more united once they get into the Brexit negotiations and there will

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be disunity on the Conservative side, as you say. But if you look at

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the issues that have faced the Tory party, the Omni shambles that many

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have called it of the budget and the U-turn on the national insurance

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contributions, business rates, social care, why are the Tories are

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the Tories still so far ahead? Well, it seems that Labour's policies and

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their way of getting their argument across, be it through the leader or

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other members of the party, just aren't resonating with the country.

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Critics of Conservatives and supporters particularly of Jeremy

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Corbyn will blame this on the press, on infighting within the party, and

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I'm not here to discuss the merits of that, other than to say it is

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having an effect. It is clear they are not resonating, not getting

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those groups that they need to appeal to to win. Briefly,

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predictions for the local elections? I think that Labour will do well to

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hold on to what they had before. I think they are going to suffer. We

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could see a resurgence of the Lib Dems if they can resonate their

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anti-Brexit position but there is a lot that can happen before then,

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with regard to Article 50. Joe Twyman, thank you. Brandon Lewis,

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last week your colleague, Mr Stewart defended the increase of national

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insurance contributions for the self-employed at the time the

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Government was going a screeching U-Turn on this be subject. So within

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ten minutes he then had to defend the fact they weren't going to

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increase national insurance contributions. Would you like now to

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take the same risk on the proposed change on school funding? Well

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actually I have personally said as a backbencher, and as a Government

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minister I support that. We need to do the review of school funding, it

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is a formula that's out of date. The sector itself was clear and the work

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and consultation is going on and it is still open it doesn't finish

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until midnight. It is important that we look at increasing funding,

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record levels of funding going into schools. We will come on to the

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amount in a minute so let's just get this clear, you are in no doubt that

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there will be no U-Turn on the new school funding formula? I think the

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school funding formula is a piece of work that needed to be done. I think

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the Department for Education and minister Nick Gibbes is doing a

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phenomenally good piece of work to make sure we look at where the

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funding is needed to get to the pupils who need it. So, if they do a

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U-Turn on this, where would that leave you? The Government is always

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looking at the department, the consultation finishes at midnight.

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This'll look at the outcome before making... What and then U-Turn? I

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think the funding formula review will continue and we'll see a new

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funding formula for schools. It is much more controversial, much more

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difficult to implement, let me put it that way because, of course, you

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are actually cutting money to schools, aren't you? Funding for

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schools is going up. What this is doing is how that cake is shared out

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and looking at making sure we get a funding formula that is shared

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correctly. Explain to me how funding is going up? Record levels of ?#40

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billion it goes up to ?42 billion in 2019. You are dealing in money

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terms, aren't you, not real terms. And when you take account of

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inflation and the fact that the number of pupils is rising, it's

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actually falling, isn't it? Well, if you look - in cash terms it is going

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up to ?42 billion. ?2 billion is a lot of money. Not if inflation has

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reached 2.3% and rising. So you are putting per pupil funding by around

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8% in real terms, 8% between 2015 and 2020. There are two points I

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will make to answer that. Firstly, I'm not shying away from the fact we

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have had to make difficult decisions to the economy over the last years.

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You can't then complain you are increasing in real terms? We are,

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school term is at ?40 billion, a record level and going up to ?42

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billion. And as a second pointed to help schools with the cost, we are

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setting up with a buying scheme to make sure it is as efficient as

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possible. A lot of schools aren't as owe fisht with were curement and

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other things. That's another issue. Of course you want schools to be

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efficient. Of course you have a Budget deficit to manage down,

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particularly since you are way behind the original thought on that.

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But that doesn't allow to you claim that you are in real terms,

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increasing spending on education because let me give you the figures

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here, funding per pupil will rise from ?5,447 in 2016 to ?5,519, so it

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is a rise of about ?60, maybe a little more, by 2020. So, ?60-odd,

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?70 over four years, that when you take inflation into account, is a

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substantial reduction in real terms. Can we agree with that? Well, I

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appreciate you have got inflakes you have changing costs but you also

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have to recognise that is actually ?2 billion which is a huge sum of

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money that is going up but it is also about getting right outcomes

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and what is important with this in education as someone who has got

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children and I have been in education in myself, those outcomes

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for 1.8 million in et Bev, schoot and outstanding schools, more first

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class teachers coming into teach and more children from deprived

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backgrounds going to university and studying core subjects, the outcomes

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of those children, the people we have to look to for our future is

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really key. So why are you cutting the budget in real terms because in

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money terms you will increase the budget, well, the budget will go up

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by several billion, in money terms but once you take in inflation, and

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the increase in the number of pupils. There is going to be a 4%

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rise in primary school pupils, a 10% rise in secondary school pupils, the

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IFS explains, that spending per pupil falls by 8% in real terms over

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a five-year period. Why are you doing that? Well, first of all, yes

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you are quite right, that funding, in cash terms increases by ?2

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billion but your point about inflation is allowing for there to

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be no benefits and no changes in the efficiency of how schools work and

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we do want to see schools... A lot of schools have already done this.

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There is a huge amount more we can do in terms of efficiencies, sharing

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administration departments and doing much better on procurement and we

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see this across a range of sectors, there is much more to do to make

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sure we are getting the best for our money but ultimately I would argue

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any parent and child out there, their main focus is the outcome. We

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are improving. Any child out there is going to see an 8% cut in the

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funding in real terms to them, so, whatever you - I'm not arguing about

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efficiency, or even about the funding formula, I simply would like

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to clarify and get it clear that in real terms, spending per pupil is

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not rising, it is falling. Well that depends on what schools do around

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their efficiencies. If they can be more efficient, it reduces cost, it

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means the bds 2 billion increase on current record levels goes into the

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pupils but it is also about making sure they get the best education. It

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is better than it has ever been and we need to see it go further. So, we

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have a Government, cutting funding per pupil. We have a Government that

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is presiding over real problems in the NHS, as well, and a Government

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that has a bit of an omni-shambles in the Budget. Why are you 19 points

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behind in the polls? Well, Labour clearly isn't in a good position in

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the opinion polls. We have a mountain to clie. I believe we can

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climb that mountain. I think it was inevitable when Theresa May was

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installed in Conservative Party leader that fl would be a period in

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which the Conservatives would be boosted. But the Tory lead is

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widening. It is not that at the start it went big baint by bit you

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are clawing it back. It has got wider. In one poll after the

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omni-shambles budget, the lead increased by three points, why is it

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getting worse? The reality is that everyone in Labour needs to up their

:22:14.:22:16.

game, the Conservatives need to up their game but your polling expert

:22:17.:22:20.

was also correct when he said that the public don't like or don't

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appreciate it when parties are disunited and when much of what is

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on the television and in the papers are stories about one Labour MP

:22:30.:22:32.

speaking out against another or talks about internal disputes into

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the Labour Party, that cannot help Labour. Is that Tom Watson, the

:22:36.:22:40.

deputy Chairman's, Tom Watson's fault? I'm not going to get into the

:22:41.:22:45.

game of criticising my colleagues. You blamed that stuff for the reason

:22:46.:22:49.

why you are so far behind in the polls and getting worse. Well, this

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- well exhibitions of disunity and disagreement public in the Labour

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Party didn't start this week. And I do... But there has been a quite

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period but it has broken up again. I think Emily Thornbury was correct on

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Newsnight the other night when she said that Labour needs to be outward

:23:05.:23:09.

looking, not inward looking. My plea to everybody on the Labour Party,

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whether on the left or the right of the Labour Party, is - let's unite

:23:14.:23:17.

and let's look outward, not inward. On the doorstep and at my sessions,

:23:18.:23:22.

people aren't raising with me the Labour Party National Executive

:23:23.:23:26.

committee this, amendment or that at all. They probably lost interest.

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They were never interested in the first place. That's a lot of what

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you talk about. Except that it is clearly, according tou, having an

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impact. Somebody is paying attention, otherwise you would not

:23:41.:23:44.

be 19 points behind in the polls and when you call for party unionite, as

:23:45.:23:50.

Mr Corbyn does regularly, is it not hypocritical qual for party unity,

:23:51.:23:54.

whilst come of the people around Mr Corbyn are briefing against his

:23:55.:23:59.

deputy leader. Well I don't agree of taking private disagreements into

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the public arena, whoever does that. I don't know about briefing about

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that, I don't know about anything like that. You know where the story

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has come from. I don't actually. You were at the Shadow Cabinet meeting,

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weren't you? I wasn't because I was in the chamber of the House of

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Commons, doing my job, speaking for Labour on the prisons bill, so I

:24:20.:24:23.

wasn't at the Shadow Cabinet. I usually am. Why is your membership

:24:24.:24:29.

now falling? Well the membership of the Labour Party before the general

:24:30.:24:32.

election is 170,000. It is still over... You had a huge bump, no

:24:33.:24:37.

questions about that but it is now falling again, why? Well, at the end

:24:38.:24:41.

of the day once a year you come to the point where people have to fill

:24:42.:24:47.

in their... Actually pay. The reality is you will always get

:24:48.:24:51.

people leaving a political party. Labour is still the biggest

:24:52.:24:54.

left-of-centre party. Not for long... Have you seen how much the

:24:55.:25:00.

German Social Democrats are rising? If people said a few years ago that

:25:01.:25:04.

Labour would have 500,000 members I would have thought that was fan

:25:05.:25:08.

toastical. If I said to you a year later 40,000 people were Ayerza

:25:09.:25:12.

rears and memberships fallen below 500,000 you would have said what?

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Well, Well it is not welcome that people leave but there is a huge

:25:18.:25:21.

increase in the membership. Let me move on. Mr Livingston, who as you

:25:22.:25:26.

know is always helpful to the Labour Party in his public pronouncements

:25:27.:25:29.

has said that Mr Corbyn should suspend about a dozen disloyal

:25:30.:25:37.

Labour MPs, include what say you? I don't think we should be in the game

:25:38.:25:43.

of suspending MPs or attempting to deselect MPs. I thinks a distraction

:25:44.:25:47.

and weed should be looking outward not inward my plea for everyone,

:25:48.:25:52.

whether on the left or right, is to unite and look outward. Including Mr

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Livingston, should do that? Of course.

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Now, let's turn our attention to cake.

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Our Foreign Secretary once famously declared that his policy

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on cake was "pro having it and pro eating it".

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Approximate He is a living embodiment of that. Who are we to

:26:09.:26:12.

disagree? And it seems Boris Johnson's

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colleagues have been getting in on the act,

:26:16.:26:17.

taking part in a cake decorating contest for Comic Relief -

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we'll have more on that later. Meanwhile, we're going to see

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if we can engender a bit of cross-party artistic

:26:22.:26:27.

collaboration here in the studio by asking our guests

:26:28.:26:29.

if they can make less Oh, that doesn't look like it needs

:26:30.:26:31.

decorating. It looks lovely. Like Brexit, we're looking

:26:32.:26:42.

for something clean, uncomplicated, that the public can swallow

:26:43.:26:46.

and preferably red, white and blue. And to go with with your

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slice of patriotism, you obviously need tea and one

:26:50.:26:52.

of these to put it in. And the only way to get one

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is to tell us when this happened. And just to warn you, there

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are flashing images from the start. MUSIC: Would I Lie To

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by Curtis Stigers # And I wonder why we hold

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on with tears in our eyes #. It has turned out to be

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an annus horribilis. # And I wonder why I can't seem to

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and you can see the full terms and conditions for Guess The Year

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on our website - that's It's coming up to midday here -

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just take a look at Big Ben - and that can mean only one thing -

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yes, Prime Minister's That will lighten things um. Already

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lightening up the studio, Laura Kuenssberg is here. You were telling

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me that you think Mr Corbyn is going to go on schools funding? I think it

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is very likely, not least because there is concern on the Labour

:29:29.:29:31.

benches and lots of concern in the country. Many parents turning up to

:29:32.:29:34.

public meetings on what is going on with their schools but there is also

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concern on the Tory benches. Behind Theresa May there are plenty of

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backbenchers, some former minute sisters, and one G Osborne who made

:29:44.:29:48.

his concerns plain. I thought it was originallies his formula Well it

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was. Never say that Mr G Osborne has what some people describe as you had

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as aity. Is this Mr George Osborne former Chancellor, still MP or

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George Osborne, editor-elect of the standed a. I think actually in a

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letter to his local paper that he has published this morning, this is

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one of the things he has said - I'm still a local MP fighting for you.

:30:12.:30:15.

He has raised the schools' funding formula as something he has

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expressed concerns about in Cheshire. He didn't quite mention

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that actually it was something he announced as Chancellor, almost a

:30:22.:30:26.

clear to the day. And beyond his territory somewhat at the time? It

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was one of the interesting things, it was the sort of thing - here is

:30:30.:30:33.

this Chancellor who had ambitions beyond his job. It was a Gordon

:30:34.:30:39.

Brown move. It was a domestic land grab that David Cameron was in lock

:30:40.:30:45.

step with. We can't forget how much the two of them were in lock step

:30:46.:30:47.

together. It is a change in I would like to express my

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condolences to the family and colleagues of the former First

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Minister of Northern Ireland, Martin We do not condone the path he took

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in the first period of his life. However, he played an indispensable

:31:17.:31:20.

role in bringing the republican movement away from violence to

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peaceful and democratic means and to building a better Northern Ireland.

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This morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others

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and in addition to my duties in this has, I shall have further such

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meetings later today. The Prime Minister says that there is more

:31:37.:31:40.

money for the National Health Service, more nurses and more

:31:41.:31:49.

doctors, yet Bassetlaw breast care unit has been cut back and Bassetlaw

:31:50.:31:53.

children's ward has been closed overnight. Something clearly does

:31:54.:32:02.

not add up. I and the mothers of the most seriously ill children who use

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the children's ward the most frequently offer to the Prime

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Minister to work with her to solve this problem. Is her door at Number

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Ten open to us? I say to the honourable gentleman, if we look at

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what has happened in his area, his NHS Bassetlaw clinical commissioning

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groups is receiving a cash increase, the Doncaster and Bassetlaw NHS

:32:28.:32:32.

hospitals foundation trust have over 80 more doctors and nearly 30 more

:32:33.:32:37.

nurses but of course what we see... He talks of listening to the voice

:32:38.:32:40.

of local people in relation to health services in the local area.

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That is exactly what the sustainability and transformation

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plans are about. It is about hearing from local people and local

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clinicians and putting together the health provisions that ensure that

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they meet local needs. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Telford is a story of trans

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formation and progress, from the ironmasters of the first industrial

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revolution through to a new revolution in hi-tech manufacturing

:33:09.:33:15.

in Telford today. It has helped build Britain. As this government

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delivers on the democratic will of the British people and triggers

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Article 50, will my right honourable friend tell us how Telford will

:33:25.:33:28.

prosper from Brexit and from her plan for Britain? As I've said

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before, the referendum result was not just about membership of the EU,

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it was about to change the this country works and to make Britain a

:33:40.:33:45.

country that works for everyone, not just the privileged few. And that's

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why the plan for Britain is a plan to get the right deal for Britain

:33:49.:33:53.

and abroad but also to build a stronger, fairer Britain for

:33:54.:33:57.

ordinary working families here at home like those in Telford and I'm

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pleased that we've already provided ?70 million of funding to the local

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LEP to proof improve in the search in Telford. This government is

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putting the resources and our plans are Britain will deliver that

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stronger, fairer economy and a more united, more outward looking country

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than ever before. Jeremy Corbyn. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker.

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Could I start by echoing the words of the Prime Minister concerning the

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death of Martin McGuinness, the former deputy minister of Northern

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Ireland. He died this week and our thoughts go to his family, his wife

:34:36.:34:39.

Bernie and the wider community. Martin played an immeasurable role

:34:40.:34:42.

in bringing about peace in Northern Ireland and it is that peace that we

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all want to see energy for all time, for all people in Northern Ireland.

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-- endure. The government is cutting the schools budget by 6.5% by 2020

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and today, we learn the proposed national funding formula will leave

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1000 schools across England facing additional cuts of a further 7%

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beyond 2020. Can the Prime Minister explain to parents why cutting

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capital gains tax, cutting inheritance tax, cutting corporation

:35:17.:35:22.

tax, cutting bank levy are all more important than our children's

:35:23.:35:28.

future? This government is committed to ensuring that all our children

:35:29.:35:31.

get the education that is right for them and that all our children have

:35:32.:35:36.

a good school plays. That is what the Government's plans for education

:35:37.:35:41.

will provide and that is building on a fine record of the past nearly

:35:42.:35:46.

seven years for Conservatives in government, when we've seen 1.8

:35:47.:35:49.

million more children in good or outstanding schools. We've protected

:35:50.:35:55.

the schools budget and the national funding formula is a consultation

:35:56.:35:59.

and obviously there will be a number of views. The consultation closes

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today and then the Department for Education will respond to that in

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due course. The manifesto on which she fought the last election

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promised that under a future Conservative government, the amount

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of money following your child into school will be protected. No wonder

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even be editor of the London Evening Standard is up in arms about this!

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Where is he? There he is! Mr Speaker, the cuts to school funding

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equates to the loss of two teachers across all primary schools, six

:36:37.:36:40.

teachers across all secondary schools. So is the Prime Minister

:36:41.:36:45.

advocating larger class sizes, shorter school days or unqualified

:36:46.:36:52.

teachers? Which is it? As we said we would, we have protected the schools

:36:53.:36:58.

budget. We now see more teachers in our schools, we see more teachers

:36:59.:37:02.

with first-class degrees in our schools. As I say, we see 1.8

:37:03.:37:08.

million more children in good or outstanding schools. That's a result

:37:09.:37:12.

of the policies of this government, of diversity in education, Free

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Schools, academies, comprehensives, faith schools, universities, grammar

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schools. We believe in diversity in education and choice for parents. He

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believes in a one size fits all, take it or leave it model. She was

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clearly elected on a pledge not to cut school funding and that is

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exactly what's happening. Maybe she could listen to headteachers in West

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Sussex, who say they believe savings will come from, and I quote,

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staffing reductions, further increased class sizes, withdrawal of

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counselling and pastoral services, modified school hours, reduction in

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books, IT and equipment. I've got a heartfelt letter from a primary

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school teacher by Remain Eileen. Eileen is one of our many hard

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working teachers who cares our kids and she wrote to me to say, teachers

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are purchasing items such as pens, pencils, glue sticks and paper out

:38:16.:38:20.

of their own pockets. Fundraising events have quadrupled as funds are

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so low that parents are having to make donations to purchase books.

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This is disgraceful, says Eileen. Does the Prime Minister agree with

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Eileen? We are seeing record levels of funding going into our schools.

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We have protected the schools budget, we protected the pupil

:38:42.:38:46.

premium, but what matters for parents is the quality of... You

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shouldn't keep yelling out, what about Eileen? The Prime Minister

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is... The Prime Minister is giving her response to the leader of the is

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a, including the references to Eileen. The Prime Minister. What

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matters for all of us who are concerned about education in this

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country is to ensure that the quality of education that has

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provided our children is a quality that enabled them to get on in life

:39:21.:39:24.

and have a better future. That is what this government is about. It is

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about ensuring that in this country, you get an on the basis of merit,

:39:29.:39:34.

not privileged. It is about ensuring every child, every child... Every

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child across this country has the opportunity of a good school plays.

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That's what we have been delivering for the past seven years and is what

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we will deliver into the future and every single policy that has

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delivered better education for children has been opposed by the

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right honourable gentleman. Mr Speaker, maybe she could have a word

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with her friend the Member for the Cotswolds who said this week, under

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this new formula all my large primaries and all my secondaries

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will actually see a cash cut in their budgets. And in the budget,

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the Government found no more money for the schools budget but it did

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find ?320 million for her own special schools, grammar schools

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vanity project. So there was no money for Eileen's schools but 320

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million for divisive grammar schools. What kind of priority is

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that? First of all, what we have done in relation to the funding

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formula is addressed an issue that Labour ignored for all its time in

:40:53.:41:01.

government. Across... Across this House, there has generally, for many

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years, been an accepted view that the current formula for school

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funding is not fair. I was calling for a better funding formula over 15

:41:13.:41:15.

years ago when I was the Shadow Education Secretary. We've put

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forward a proposal, we are consulting on it, the consultation

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closes today and we will respond to that consultation. But he talks

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about the issue of the sort of system in schools we want. Yes, we

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want to diversity, different sorts of schools. We have put money into

:41:37.:41:39.

new school places but I say to the right honourable gentleman, his

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Shadow Home Secretary sent her child to a private school, his shadow

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Attorney General sent her child to a private school. He sent... He sent

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his child to a grammar school. He went to a grammar school himself.

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Typical Labour - take the advantage and pull up the ladder behind you.

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Mr Speaker... I want a decent, their opportunity for every child in every

:42:23.:42:29.

school. I want a staircase for all, not a ladder for the few. She hasn't

:42:30.:42:37.

been very good at convincing the former Secretary of State for

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Education, the honourable member for Loughborough, who wrote last week,"

:42:41.:42:45.

all the evidence is clear that grammar schools damaged social

:42:46.:42:51.

mobility". What evidence has the Prime Minister got that the former

:42:52.:42:58.

Secretary of State is wrong in that? The evidence is that the attainment

:42:59.:43:03.

for the poorest children, the attainment gap in a selective school

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is virtually zero. That tells us the quality of the education that they

:43:09.:43:15.

are getting. But what I want is a diverse education system, where

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there are genuine opportunities for all to have the education that is

:43:19.:43:22.

right for them. That's why in the budget, as well as dealing with the

:43:23.:43:26.

issue of new school places, we've also put extra money into technical

:43:27.:43:30.

education, for those young they will for whom the technical education is

:43:31.:43:35.

right. He says he wants opportunities for all children, he

:43:36.:43:39.

says he wants good school places for all children. When he should jolly

:43:40.:43:42.

well support the policies we're putting forward. It is not just the

:43:43.:43:48.

former Education Secretary, it is also the chair of the education

:43:49.:43:53.

select committee, who says grammar schools do little for social

:43:54.:43:55.

mobility and are an unnecessary distraction. Mr Speaker, the Prime

:43:56.:44:01.

Minister and her government arbitrating a generation of young

:44:02.:44:05.

people by cutting the funding of every child to adopt -- are

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betraying. Children will have fewer teachers, larger classes, fewer

:44:11.:44:14.

subjects to choose from and all the Prime Minister can do is focus on

:44:15.:44:19.

her grammar school vanity project that can only ever benefit a few

:44:20.:44:25.

children. Is the Prime Minister content that this generation, this

:44:26.:44:28.

generation in our schools today, will see their schools decline,

:44:29.:44:33.

their subject choices diminished, and their life chances held back by

:44:34.:44:42.

decisions of her government today? Protected school funding, more

:44:43.:44:46.

teachers in our schools, more teachers with first-class degrees in

:44:47.:44:50.

our schools, more children in good or outstanding schools. It's not a

:44:51.:44:55.

vanity project to want every child in this country to have a good

:44:56.:44:59.

school plays, because that's how they will get on in life and that's

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what this party will deliver. But it shows that there is a difference...

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Yes. There is a difference between the right honourable gentleman and

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meet it up earlier this week, he recorded a video calling for unity.

:45:16.:45:21.

He called for Labour to think of our people first, think of our movement

:45:22.:45:27.

first, think of the party first. That's the difference between him

:45:28.:45:31.

and made it up labour but the party first, we put the country first.

:45:32.:45:41.

Thank you, Mr Speaker. For searching Prime Ministers have taken a close

:45:42.:45:52.

personal interest in the effectiveness of Dover and the

:45:53.:45:55.

channelp ports as gateways and guardians of the kingdom. Can I ask

:45:56.:46:00.

my right honourable friend to take a close interest in making sure Kent's

:46:01.:46:04.

ports are ready for Brexit on day 1, not just for customs but also that

:46:05.:46:08.

the lorry port is on schedule and that the Thames crossing are in

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force. And Mr Speaker will you join with me and the Prime Minister in

:46:14.:46:18.

wishing Dame Vera Lynn a happy 100th birthday this week? I'm extremely

:46:19.:46:21.

grateful to the honourable gentleman, but I did do that a

:46:22.:46:26.

couple of days ago. Mr Speaker, I didn't have the opportunity in this

:46:27.:46:31.

House to do it a couple of days ago. I'm happy to wish Dame Vera Lynn a

:46:32.:46:37.

very happy 100th birth day. I think it is right to recognise the service

:46:38.:46:41.

she gave to this country as many others Z my honourable friend raises

:46:42.:46:44.

an important issue of transport links in Kent and one which we have

:46:45.:46:47.

discussed on a number of occasions as I have with other Kent MPs. In

:46:48.:46:52.

addition to the M 20 lorry park I can assure him that the department

:46:53.:46:56.

for department is fully committed to delivering a long-term solution as

:46:57.:46:58.

quickly as possible. They're currently consider the findings of

:46:59.:47:01.

the lower Thames crossing consultation and highways England

:47:02.:47:04.

will be doing more detailed work on the A2 and the Home Office will be

:47:05.:47:08.

looking very closely at what measures need to be in place for

:47:09.:47:12.

Brexit for those coming across the border into Dover.

:47:13.:47:18.

May I begin extending condolences as the Prime Minister and the leader of

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the Labour Party have done to the family, friends and colleagues of

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the former Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland, Martin McGuinness.

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And we pay tribute to his contribution towards peace, whilst

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never forgetting the terrible human price during the Troubles. Last

:47:33.:47:38.

year, Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister promised that she would secure a

:47:39.:47:45.

UK-wide agreement between the governments of Scotland, Wales and

:47:46.:47:49.

Northern Ireland and her government, before triggering Article 50 own

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Brexit. Article -- on Brexit. Since then, she has delayed, blocked, been

:47:56.:48:00.

intransjet and lectured and surprise, surprise, she has no

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agreement. There is no agreement. Will these be her negotiating

:48:06.:48:12.

tactics with the European Union? Over the past few months, every

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effort has been put in at various levels, at ministerial and official

:48:18.:48:21.

levels to work with all the devolved administrations, to identify their

:48:22.:48:24.

particular concerns and interests and to ensure we are able to take

:48:25.:48:29.

those into account throughout the negotiating process and discussions

:48:30.:48:33.

will continue in the future. What we want to ensure is that we get the

:48:34.:48:38.

best-possible deal when we leave the European Union, for all the people

:48:39.:48:42.

of the United Kingdom, including the people of Scotland. Because at heart

:48:43.:48:51.

we are one people. And Mr Speaker, viewers will note that the Prime

:48:52.:48:54.

Minister totally glossed over the fact she has reached no agreement

:48:55.:48:58.

with the devolved governments of the United Kingdom. Mr Speaker, the

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Prime Minister says that she wants Article 50 negotiations to lead to a

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deal. And she wants people to know the outcome of that deal before it

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is approved. So, will the Prime Minister confirm that in the period

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for an I greement, the House of Commons will have a choice -- for an

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agreement the House of Commons will have a choice, the House of Lords

:49:25.:49:28.

will have a choice. The European Parliament will have a choi.s 27

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Member States of the European Union will have a choice. Mr Speaker, if

:49:32.:49:36.

it is right for all of them to have a choice about Scotland's future,

:49:37.:49:40.

why should the people of Scotland not have a choice about their own

:49:41.:49:48.

future? This isn't a question about whether the people of Scotland

:49:49.:50:02.

should have a choice. The people of Scotland voted - exercised their

:50:03.:50:06.

right to self-determination and voted in 2014 to remain a part of

:50:07.:50:14.

the United Kingdom. The people of the United Kingdom last year voted

:50:15.:50:21.

to leave the European Union. We are respecting both of those votes. He

:50:22.:50:31.

is respecting neither of them. Mr Speaker, with her strong commitment

:50:32.:50:35.

to defence, would my right honourable friend agree that we must

:50:36.:50:43.

stem the outflow from our flow slinking forces? Could I urge her to

:50:44.:50:50.

reconsidering the approximatelicy she inherited of encouraging service

:50:51.:50:54.

families to get on the housinger why and on the other hand focussing the

:50:55.:51:00.

Army in areas where there is no affordable housing and applying the

:51:01.:51:05.

new landlord tax arrangements of they buy-to-let. Obviously I

:51:06.:51:09.

recognise the passion with with my honourable friend has raised these

:51:10.:51:12.

issues in relation to the Armed Forces. He raises an important point

:51:13.:51:16.

but I can assure him we are fully committed to our goal of an

:51:17.:51:20.

82,000-strong Army by 2020. He raises a point about service

:51:21.:51:23.

accommodation. We want to ensure that people have a greater choice in

:51:24.:51:27.

where they of live, by using private accommodation, and meeting their

:51:28.:51:29.

aspirations for home-ownership. That's why we have set up the ?200

:51:30.:51:35.

million forces help-to-buy scheme and we're considering to support

:51:36.:51:39.

subsidised housing for service personnel and the pot of money will

:51:40.:51:43.

not be cut. The Ministry of Defence is working with the Treasury in

:51:44.:51:46.

relation to the issues he raises and I'm sure they will keep him updated.

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Thank you Mr Speaker. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and

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Northern Ireland will be 95 years' old in December N that UK-Scottish

:51:58.:52:01.

economic growth is one-quarter of that independent Iceland and

:52:02.:52:04.

one-third of independent Ireland. Now, given the Prime Minister

:52:05.:52:07.

supports Irish independence and the benefits it has brought its economy

:52:08.:52:11.

and population, why does she owe pose it for Scotland and will she

:52:12.:52:15.

show Scotland the respect the EU shows the UK in regards to a

:52:16.:52:23.

referendum. I have to say to the honourable gentleman that if he is

:52:24.:52:27.

looking at issues around economic growth and he quoted figures for

:52:28.:52:30.

economic groat. He should pay attention for the most important

:52:31.:52:33.

market for Scotland. The most important market for Scotland is the

:52:34.:52:37.

market of the United Kingdom and this is' why Scotland should remain

:52:38.:52:44.

part of it. -- and that's why. Thank you, Mr Speaker, last week, with

:52:45.:52:49.

cross-party support my honourable friend for chipping ham and I set up

:52:50.:52:58.

an all-party group for lime disease this, debilitating disease is a

:52:59.:53:01.

growing problem across the country and including my constituency of

:53:02.:53:03.

North Dorset, yet awareness of it amongst the public and GPs is

:53:04.:53:06.

incredibly low. Will my right honourable friend ensure that her

:53:07.:53:09.

Government does all that it can to raise its profile and resolve the

:53:10.:53:12.

problems surrounding both diagnosis and treatment? Well, my honourable

:53:13.:53:17.

friend raises an important point. I commend him and my honourable friend

:53:18.:53:21.

the member for chipping ham for the attention that is now going given in

:53:22.:53:25.

the House to this issue. He is right, we do need to raise awareness

:53:26.:53:29.

of this issue but we also need to ensure that diagnosis and treatment

:53:30.:53:32.

is - early diagnosis and treatment is there because that's the best way

:53:33.:53:36.

of limiting the complications from this particular disease. The

:53:37.:53:39.

Department of Health is already taking steps, clinical guidelines

:53:40.:53:42.

are being updated and enhanced by NICE. NHS England has undertaken

:53:43.:53:47.

robust reviews on diagnosis, testing and treatment but there is more that

:53:48.:53:51.

we can do and so Public Health England is holding regular medical

:53:52.:53:54.

training days and conducting outreach across the medical

:53:55.:53:57.

community to raise awareness and ensure that that early diagnosis is

:53:58.:54:00.

there. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Yesterday in

:54:01.:54:05.

a Westminster Hall debate a Health Minister said the issue in hand was

:54:06.:54:08.

above his pay grade. On the basis that the Prime Minister has the top

:54:09.:54:13.

pay grade, can she give us a clue as to when we'll see the long-aed

:54:14.:54:16.

waited and very late tobacco-control plan? I can assure him that we are

:54:17.:54:21.

working on the tobacco control plan and one will be issued in due

:54:22.:54:25.

course. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Recently a

:54:26.:54:30.

substantial number of Government ministers took the opportunity to

:54:31.:54:37.

visit Cumbria. . Hear, hear. They saw for themselves not only its

:54:38.:54:41.

beauty, but also its industrial strengths and its potential. If the

:54:42.:54:46.

Government's industrial strategy is to succeed, places such as Cumbria

:54:47.:54:50.

need to be part of that success. Plot Prime Minister ensure that

:54:51.:54:53.

Cumbria gets the infrastructure investment which it requires to make

:54:54.:54:57.

sure that it really does fulfil its potential? I can assure my

:54:58.:55:01.

honourable friend that I and other ministerial colleagues were

:55:02.:55:04.

delighted to be able it take the opportunity to visit the beautiful

:55:05.:55:09.

county of Cumbria and we are even happier now Cumbria has another

:55:10.:55:13.

strong force in the form of the Conservative MP for Copeland. But

:55:14.:55:17.

he's right, Cumbria and the north-west has huge industrial

:55:18.:55:19.

potential that's why we are getting on delivering our investment plans

:55:20.:55:23.

across the country, including in the north-west. And just some figures,

:55:24.:55:32.

?556 million allocated to produce productivity and north is getting

:55:33.:55:35.

?156 million to tackle congestion and local interest. But it is our

:55:36.:55:39.

plan for Britain that will deliver the stronger, fairer economy, and

:55:40.:55:43.

that will deliver the higher-paid, higher-skilled jobs for people

:55:44.:55:47.

across the whole country. The Prime Minister is in denial.

:55:48.:55:52.

Today's report from the Institute for Fiscal Studies confirms that

:55:53.:55:56.

schools are already facing "The largest cut in spending per pupil

:55:57.:56:03.

over a four-year period since at least the early 1980s." And that

:56:04.:56:08.

under her new national formula "You funding is diverted from schools

:56:09.:56:11.

with very high level of deprivation." Every single school in

:56:12.:56:21.

my constituency will lose an average of ?584 per pupil. Has she failed at

:56:22.:56:28.

maths or failed to read her own manifesto? I responded to this point

:56:29.:56:38.

earlier but just to reiterate - across this House, for many years,

:56:39.:56:44.

there has been a general acceptance that the current funding formula for

:56:45.:56:51.

schools is unfair. That is why this Government is looking to find a

:56:52.:56:57.

formula, a fairer formula. There is a consultation exercise and the

:56:58.:57:00.

Department for Education will respond to that in due course. We

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are grasping this issue. Labour did nothing for 13 years.

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Can my right honourable friend confirm that in the forthcoming

:57:18.:57:21.

debate on the restoration and renewal of Parliament, all members,

:57:22.:57:26.

including ministers, will have a completely free vote in what is a

:57:27.:57:31.

House matter? And does she understand that many of us believe

:57:32.:57:38.

that in these times of austerity, we should not be front-loading billions

:57:39.:57:42.

of pounds worth of expenditure on ourselves at the expense of schools

:57:43.:57:46.

and hospitals, but that we should carry on the work and stay in what

:57:47.:57:55.

is the iconic image of the nation? Well, this Palace of Westminster is

:57:56.:57:59.

world renowned, tss a very important part of our national heritage. It

:58:00.:58:02.

belongs to the people of the United Kingdom and of course we have a

:58:03.:58:05.

responsibility to our constituents, also, to preserve this place as the

:58:06.:58:11.

home of our democracy. It will be for Parliament to take the final

:58:12.:58:15.

decision on this matter but I can assure my honourable friend, as it

:58:16.:58:19.

will be a House matter, it will be a free vote. Thank you Mr Speaker, air

:58:20.:58:27.

and road pollution, caused mainly by diesel engines brings about 40,000

:58:28.:58:32.

early deaths in this country, while causing severe lung diseases, like

:58:33.:58:36.

bronchitis and asthma in our young people and children. A road in my

:58:37.:58:43.

constituency in Crumlin is the most polluted road outside of lob dovenl

:58:44.:58:48.

it is an absolute disgrace. Most of it is caused by HGVs lorries

:58:49.:58:53.

travelling up that road, spewing out noxious gases on the residents. Will

:58:54.:58:58.

the Prime Minister commit to ensure that hauliers will start using newer

:58:59.:59:04.

diesel engines and cleaner technology and cleaner inner joy to

:59:05.:59:08.

ensure that everybody, including our young people, can enjoy a better

:59:09.:59:13.

quality of life, especially on the road in my constituency? The

:59:14.:59:16.

honourable gentleman speaks up well for his constituents. I have to say

:59:17.:59:20.

to him this is an issue that we all recognise, the problems in relation

:59:21.:59:23.

to air quality. That's why the Government will be bringing forward

:59:24.:59:25.

further proposals in relation to air quality. We have seen some changes

:59:26.:59:30.

taking place and we have, of course, put investment into green transport

:59:31.:59:33.

initiatives and plans to introduce clean air zones around the country

:59:34.:59:38.

will help to tackle and that in fact we have been at the forefront of

:59:39.:59:41.

action in Europe in some aspects in relation to this. I accept there is

:59:42.:59:47.

more to be done. As I say we'll bring forward further proportional

:59:48.:59:51.

in due course Compensation paid by Network Rail to train operators for

:59:52.:59:56.

delays, far exceeds the amount that the passengers who have experienced

:59:57.:00:02.

the delayed are getting because the process can be come boresome. Will

:00:03.:00:07.

the Prime Minister insist the train operators ringfence that company,

:00:08.:00:10.

spend it on smart ticketing automation, so customers can tap on

:00:11.:00:13.

and tap off their train and receive the amount in their bank account for

:00:14.:00:17.

the delays they have been caused? My honourable friend does raise an

:00:18.:00:22.

important point. I know it is a source of much frustration to many

:00:23.:00:25.

rail travellers but I would also like it thank him for the way in

:00:26.:00:29.

which he and others have spoken up on behalf of passengers especially

:00:30.:00:32.

on the Thameslink, Southern and other lines. Now the best way to

:00:33.:00:37.

ensure that the operators do not profit from unclaimed compensation

:00:38.:00:40.

is for passengers to claim the compensation that they are entitled

:00:41.:00:44.

to and we are looking and Department for Transport is looking at how we

:00:45.:00:48.

can ensure that we publicise compensation schemes, make claims

:00:49.:00:54.

easier and we are rolling out improved delay repay compensation to

:00:55.:00:58.

allow passengers to claim after a delay of 15 minutes but the

:00:59.:01:00.

Department for Transport is continuing to look at this issue and

:01:01.:01:03.

I'm sure will pick up the points he has raised.

:01:04.:01:08.

Last week the Electoral Commission issued its largest ever find the

:01:09.:01:15.

Conservative Party for breaking a vital and crucial election ruled.

:01:16.:01:19.

What did the Prime Minister, the Cabinet and her assistants know

:01:20.:01:23.

about this activity, who was responsible for designing and

:01:24.:01:26.

signing off all of this and does she agree with me that this is at best

:01:27.:01:31.

wilful negligence and at worst pure electoral fraud? The honourable

:01:32.:01:38.

gentleman is asking me to respond to what is a party matter but I can

:01:39.:01:43.

assure him that the Conservative Party debt campaign in 2015 across

:01:44.:01:51.

the country for the return of a Conservative government and we

:01:52.:01:52.

should be clear that such campaigning would be part of the

:01:53.:01:58.

party's national return, not candidates' local return, as the

:01:59.:02:02.

Electoral Commission itself has said. We accepted in April 2016, the

:02:03.:02:07.

party accepted Ray Poar 2016, it had made an administrative error on its

:02:08.:02:12.

national spending. -- accepted in April 2016. It brought back to the

:02:13.:02:16.

attention of the commission to amend its national return. National

:02:17.:02:21.

spending is a question for the national party, not for individual

:02:22.:02:24.

members. The Electoral Commission has looked into these issues, as it

:02:25.:02:30.

has for the Liberal Democrat party and the Labour Party, it has issued

:02:31.:02:34.

fines to all three parties and those fines will be paid. The

:02:35.:02:40.

international trade committee has been taking evidence from the

:02:41.:02:42.

chambers of commerce this morning about exports. Given the Prime

:02:43.:02:46.

Minister's commitment to a global Britain, would she agree with me

:02:47.:02:49.

that we can maintain good relations with our European friends as we

:02:50.:02:55.

leave the EU and build on our long-standing relationships with our

:02:56.:02:57.

Commonwealth friends across the world to trade our way to greater

:02:58.:03:02.

prosperity? I say to him, obviously one of the four pillars are planned

:03:03.:03:06.

for Britain is that global Britain, and more outward looking Britain. He

:03:07.:03:10.

is right, it's not just a question of ensuring you get the right

:03:11.:03:14.

relationship with Europe when we leave the EU, we do want to continue

:03:15.:03:18.

to have a partnership, to be able to trade freely across Europe and for

:03:19.:03:24.

companies in European member states, EU member states, to trade with us.

:03:25.:03:29.

But we do want to enhance and improve the arrangements we have

:03:30.:03:32.

portrayed in other parts of the world, including members of the

:03:33.:03:37.

Commonwealth. Last week, through no fault of our own, Amy and her young

:03:38.:03:43.

daughter became homeless. After months of looking for a flat, she

:03:44.:03:47.

finally went to Merton council, who told her they could only offer her

:03:48.:03:52.

temporary accommodation in Birmingham, 140 miles away from her

:03:53.:03:57.

job, from her daughter's school and from the friends and family who make

:03:58.:04:01.

it possible for her to be a working single mum. Can I ask the Prime

:04:02.:04:07.

Minister, in one of the richest cities in the world, where Russian

:04:08.:04:12.

oligarchs and Chinese banks own scores of properties and leave them

:04:13.:04:19.

empty, how can it be right that a London born working family like Amy

:04:20.:04:27.

have not a room to live? Well, the issue, obviously, of housing in the

:04:28.:04:29.

London Borough of Merton is one that the honourable lady and I worked on

:04:30.:04:33.

many years ago when we were on the housing committee of the London

:04:34.:04:36.

Borough of Merton together and I recognise that she has raised a

:04:37.:04:40.

concern for her constituent. Obviously, I won't comment on the

:04:41.:04:46.

individual case. What I will say is what's important is that overall,

:04:47.:04:49.

the Government is dealing with the issue of homelessness, we are rich

:04:50.:04:53.

we are building more homes, we are giving more support to people to get

:04:54.:05:00.

into their own homes. -- we are ensuring we are building more homes.

:05:01.:05:04.

That will take time and as we ensure we maintain the record that we have

:05:05.:05:09.

in providing housing support in all types of housing across this

:05:10.:05:13.

country. As the Prime Minister already said, it must be right that

:05:14.:05:17.

the same pupils with the same characteristics attract the same

:05:18.:05:20.

amount of money and that is an unfairness that was not challenged

:05:21.:05:23.

for 13 years under the Labour government. Yes, there needed to be

:05:24.:05:28.

changes to the current draft formula but I hope that she will commit to

:05:29.:05:32.

confirm -- to fulfilling our manifesto promise of making school

:05:33.:05:36.

funding fairer and I think she will agree with me that if the Labour

:05:37.:05:39.

Party had carried on in office, their spending plans would have led

:05:40.:05:42.

to what has happened in Greece and Spain where not just hundreds, but

:05:43.:05:46.

tens of thousands of teachers, have had to be fired. My right honourable

:05:47.:05:51.

friend is right. As I said earlier, this is an issue in terms of the

:05:52.:05:56.

funding formula for schools that was docked for too long and certainly

:05:57.:05:58.

doctored by the last Labour government. We have started to

:05:59.:06:05.

address it. -- docked. We have put forward a proposal, we will look at

:06:06.:06:09.

the consultation responses on that and respond in due course but she is

:06:10.:06:13.

absolutely right about the Labour Party. The Labour Party's education

:06:14.:06:17.

policies would mean fewer opportunities in schools and their

:06:18.:06:20.

economic policy would mean less funding for schools. Last week, her

:06:21.:06:30.

government confirmed that an assessment of the economic impact of

:06:31.:06:35.

the failure to strike in EU deal before exited top is it not the case

:06:36.:06:39.

that in triggering Article 50 last week, she is the military equivalent

:06:40.:06:43.

of Lord Cardigan, the military commander responsible for the child

:06:44.:06:46.

of light Brigade, and we all love how that ended? In triggering

:06:47.:06:51.

Article 50 next week, what I'm doing is responding to the wishes of the

:06:52.:06:58.

British people. Does the Prime Minister agree that we urgently need

:06:59.:07:03.

to find a solution to the impacts of the national living wage on sleeping

:07:04.:07:08.

shifts in the care sector? This, together with HMRC policies that are

:07:09.:07:13.

insisting on a payment of six-years' backpay plus penalties, may have a

:07:14.:07:17.

devastating impact on this vitally important sector. He has raised a

:07:18.:07:22.

very important point and obviously, through the national living wage, we

:07:23.:07:26.

are giving Britain a pay rise, making sure pay is fair, in social

:07:27.:07:32.

care and all sectors. But on the specific pointy has raised, this is

:07:33.:07:34.

an issue we are addressing, we are looking at it very carefully,

:07:35.:07:38.

including in the context of the funding pressures on social care. We

:07:39.:07:45.

are working to ensure it affects low paid workers in a fair and

:07:46.:07:48.

proportionate manner. As the Chancellor announced in the budget,

:07:49.:07:51.

?2 billion of extra money is going into the social care sector but the

:07:52.:07:54.

very specific issue my honourable friend has raised is being carefully

:07:55.:08:01.

looked at by the Treasury. Despite austerity, shocking pay increases

:08:02.:08:05.

were awarded to the board of Liverpool CCG, where a lady deputy

:08:06.:08:15.

chair is paid over ?100,000 after a 43% increase. -- a lay deputy

:08:16.:08:23.

checked it would the Minister agree to investigate this and the lack of

:08:24.:08:26.

scrutiny within the wider Liverpool health economy, whilst ensuring that

:08:27.:08:34.

no murders take place while this is investigated? I understand that the

:08:35.:08:38.

Health Secretary has asked NHS England to investigate the

:08:39.:08:41.

remuneration of nonexecutive directors at Liverpool CCG and I'm

:08:42.:08:45.

sure he will keep updated about this. We want to make the NHS even

:08:46.:08:48.

more efficient so every penny possible can be spent on front line

:08:49.:08:52.

patient care and we are seeing results, I'm pleased to say, because

:08:53.:08:56.

we now see a financial position that has improved by 1.3 billion compared

:08:57.:08:59.

to this time last year with 44 fewer trust endeavours it but, as I say,

:09:00.:09:04.

NHS England is investigating the issue she has raised. The Prime

:09:05.:09:10.

Minister will be aware that the Jo Cox commission on loneliness is

:09:11.:09:14.

calling us all to action to highlight and tackle loneliness. In

:09:15.:09:17.

Northumberland, a small charity of which I'm a patron is taking up this

:09:18.:09:21.

challenge with female military veterans who are suffering from

:09:22.:09:23.

severe isolation issues. With the Prime Minister meet with me and some

:09:24.:09:29.

of these extraordinary women to learn how our government can help?

:09:30.:09:36.

Can I commend the work that is being done by that organisation in my

:09:37.:09:39.

honourable friend's constituency. It sounds like a valuable project doing

:09:40.:09:44.

valuable work and state for defence will be happy to meet her. Tomorrow

:09:45.:09:49.

the schools minister has been good enough to meet Erdington

:09:50.:09:52.

Headteachers from a constituency rich in talent but one of the

:09:53.:09:57.

poorest in the country in a city, Birmingham, where 96% of schools

:09:58.:10:02.

will lose a total of ?20 million under the government's fair funding

:10:03.:10:07.

formula, yet Surrey gained 17 million, Southwark gains ten million

:10:08.:10:11.

and Windsor and Maidenhead gained 300,000. How can that possibly be

:10:12.:10:18.

fair? I note that the schools minister will be meeting the

:10:19.:10:22.

honourable gentleman and head teachers to discuss this issue. What

:10:23.:10:26.

the fair funding formula is looking at is trying to ensure that the

:10:27.:10:30.

unfair funding which has existed up till now is actually dealt with, and

:10:31.:10:37.

there are some very, very stark differences. There are schools in

:10:38.:10:41.

London, for example, that gets almost twice the funding of schools

:10:42.:10:45.

in other parts of the country. We need to ensure that we are

:10:46.:10:48.

addressing the unfairness in the funding formula but, as I said

:10:49.:10:52.

earlier, there was a consultation exercise and the department will

:10:53.:10:53.

respond in due course. As Laura predicted, the Leader of

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the Opposition went on school funding. It was a matter we

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discussed before let's find out first what our viewers made of this.

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This from John Wakefield in London, we keep hearing the mantra from the

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Tories when the issue of austerity is raised regarding spending, the

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children of tomorrow will have to pay the price, well, it appears the

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children of today do not count. Helen Manning says, Jeremy Corbyn

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and his front bench went to grammar and private schools while they want

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to pull up the drawbridge for the rest of us? The Prime Minister is

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right to offer diversity of choice and should stick to her guns. Tom

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Baker says the schools budget is being protected but Jeremy Corbyn

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says it is being cut. The Prime Minister seemed unconvincing and

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even started to lose her cool. And John Gilbert from Leicester says,

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"For Jeremy Corbyn today and he actually managed to score. One of

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Theresa May's worst performances, trying to defend the indefensible.

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This is a matter for England. 11,000 schools better off, 9000 worse off.

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Those who are worse off will always have the loudest voices. Is the

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government worried that it can carry the Tory backbenches on this? I was

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talking to a cabinet minister about this earlier this week and at this

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stage, they do not see this as the next national insurance or the next

:12:40.:12:45.

business rates budget or the next U-turn, at this stage. There are

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several reasons for that. First, the consultation is a safety valve for

:12:52.:12:55.

the government. Any government, when they are trying to do anything

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difficult, you have a consultation, get all the worries out there, you

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can always tweak, change, redraft the plans. Secondly, this was the

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Conservative manifesto and look what has just happened in the last two

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weeks. They've dumped something in the budget at 100 miles an hour

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because of the accusation of breaking a manifesto promise.

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Thirdly, there is a genuine belief, as we heard the Prime Minister,

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having quite a hard time trying to defend the idea behind this, that

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the change is long overdue. I think there will probably be an awful lot

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of tweaking and redrafting. But they're not minded at this moment to

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budge on the principle of whether or not the change, the principle of the

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change, has to happen. Brandon Lewis, the Conservative manifesto

:13:40.:13:42.

did not use the phrase per-pupil bodies at the following... "Under a

:13:43.:13:47.

future Conservative government, the amount of money following your child

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into school will be protected". I think most people would assume that

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that protects spending per pupil. I will repeat the words. "The amount

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of money following your child into school will be protected". I read

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that that it is about protecting that schools budget. As the Prime

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Minister said, we have done that and it is increasing. No, the amount of

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money following your child, as if each child had a bag of money to go

:14:18.:14:22.

in that would help to pay for their school education. That amount into

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school will be protected. Philip Hammond said it was important to

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live by the spirit of the manifesto, as well as the exact letter, which

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is why he had to do the U-turn on national insurance. I would suggest

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to you that many people would think the spirit there, if not the exact

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letter, of the amount of money following your child into school

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will be protected, is that spending per pupil will be protected. I think

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it's a something quite different to that. My interpretation is that it

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is making a general point about children, it is not saying

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per-pupil, it is talking about your child in a general sense and I think

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the spirit of the manifesto means education spending is protected. It

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has gone up to 42 billion. But as we said in a manifesto, making sure you

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have a fair funding formula. We are having to do work in a range of

:15:14.:15:17.

sectors to get a fair formula. The manifesto goes on to say in the next

:15:18.:15:23.

sentence, "Having said that the amount of money following your child

:15:24.:15:27.

into school will be protected, as the number of pupils increases,"

:15:28.:15:34.

because the government knew that... It is not a difficult thing to

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predict for primary and secondary education, that the number of pupils

:15:38.:15:42.

increases, "So will the amount of money into our schools". But having

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said the amount following your child would be protected and that will be

:15:47.:15:50.

protected even as the number of pupils arises, you didn't do that

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because with the rise in the number of pupils, the amount per as we've

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established earlier, is falling in real terms by about a % so I put it

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to you again, a lot of people will think you have not kept to the

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spirit of that manifesto. Auto I disagree with your issue. I

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appreciate about inflation but there is work we can do around

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efficiencies but it is making sure everybody has fair funding so pupils

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wherever they are in the country get funding that is fair that hasn't

:16:27.:16:29.

been dealt with for a long time. It is important we get it done. Hold

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on, there is nowhere in the manifesto... That's also why it is

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important that we get... It says it doesn't say - in order to keep the

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funding up in real terms, it is not in the manifesto You are talking

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about the real terms, and efficiency is part of that. It is important we

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get that right. Costs are going up Schools can look at some of the

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efficiency in terms of procurement, HR, What about staffing costs and

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pension contributions? Staffing costs are part of HR. If you are

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looking at schools and there are schools who have their own teams

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looking at mod argues, HR and legal issues. Sharing those across schools

:17:09.:17:12.

in the same area can bring huge efficiencies but it is about making

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sure we get the best outcomes. It is one of the reasons why the

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Government could be in political trouble. Two things are smashing

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upping together: One, the real pressure you have been discussing on

:17:25.:17:27.

schools budgets and the schools changes to how the formula are

:17:28.:17:32.

calculated for who gets what. Now, in theory, this policy land, those

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are two different things, but here what they mean n practice, are

:17:37.:17:41.

potentially much bigger losses than otherwise would've happened for

:17:42.:17:43.

schools in different pockets of the country. Two things going on, cuts

:17:44.:17:47.

on the one hand and changes to the formula that are making itting

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together, such a political problem. Is Labour -- making it together. Is

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Labour in favour of the principle behind the school funding formula

:17:57.:17:59.

Well, Labour is obviously very concerned that there has b as you

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have said, a broken promise, that was in the spirit of the

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Conservative manifesto, the detail. What concerns us is that these cuts

:18:12.:18:14.

mean the logs of two secondary school teachers in every secondary

:18:15.:18:18.

school across the country but at the same time the Government is finding

:18:19.:18:23.

money, that Jeremy Corbyn said today this, vanity project of expanding

:18:24.:18:27.

divisive grammar schools. Let me come back to the spending in a

:18:28.:18:31.

minute but nemplts principle behind school funding, attempting to

:18:32.:18:35.

equalise spending, to bring spending for each school more in line with

:18:36.:18:39.

the circumstances of that school, because there are huge variations at

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the moment, do you support that principle or not? Well, Labour

:18:42.:18:46.

doesn't believe that it should be the that in some parts of the

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country people get much more funding than others in similar social

:18:51.:18:53.

circumstances. So you do support the principle? We support the principle

:18:54.:18:58.

of fair funding for pupils so there aren't pupils being left behind, who

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are in the same social circumstances as people in... I understand but

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that's what prompted the new form la. The thing that particularly

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concerns us, the nub of it that concerns Labour is the fact that

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these cuts, another broken proims, will mean less money for pupils in

:19:17.:19:25.

our schools across the country. So, the Institute for Fiscal Studies, as

:19:26.:19:29.

I have been probably labouring, with a small l, here, is likely to fall

:19:30.:19:33.

by about 8% over the next five years, in the lifetime of this

:19:34.:19:36.

Parliament, it is going to call by 8%. Would Labour restore that? Well,

:19:37.:19:41.

what Labour wouldn't have done is give tax cuts to the very richest,

:19:42.:19:46.

corporation tax cuts as well. But you have already spent that. Which

:19:47.:19:53.

has seen a forecast from the House of Commons' library of losses to the

:19:54.:19:57.

public purse of billions and billions of pounds. That's not from

:19:58.:20:00.

the House of Commons library. What the Labour Party did was to consult

:20:01.:20:04.

House of Commons' library. That is not research by the Commons' library

:20:05.:20:07.

which we regard as the gold standard. I think you have to be

:20:08.:20:12.

careful when you use that. It is your research, you consulted the

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Commons. Let me,back to this - would you make up the short fall of the 8%

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cut, and if so, how would you pay for it Well, Labour announced its

:20:22.:20:26.

specific problem in due course. -- will announce. So you don't know.

:20:27.:20:29.

When it comes to specific spending commitments on education and a host

:20:30.:20:32.

of other thing, Labour will announce. No opposition will be

:20:33.:20:35.

announcing detailed spending plans years and years away from the next

:20:36.:20:39.

election. I don't think, yes, except as I have been told by other members

:20:40.:20:43.

on other problems of your party, you are on an election footing. I was

:20:44.:20:49.

told at the weekend on the Sunday politics by your head of election,

:20:50.:20:55.

Mr Gwyn, if they were to go for an early election, Labour MPs would

:20:56.:21:01.

vote and Mr Corbyn would vote for an early election. Is that right? If it

:21:02.:21:06.

is the case you are applying, that would mean we would have to print a

:21:07.:21:10.

general election manifesto every day. No because you aspire to run

:21:11.:21:14.

the country and you think an election could be called at any

:21:15.:21:18.

moment, Mr Corbyn has told us and that has been since the election

:21:19.:21:22.

last September, given how much you care about health and education, you

:21:23.:21:26.

must have developed these policies, so it is fair to ask, how would you

:21:27.:21:31.

reverse the 8% cut in real terms. If so, do you know how much it would

:21:32.:21:35.

cost and how much would you pay? How would you pay for it? Our priorities

:21:36.:21:38.

are fundamentally different to the priorities of the Conservative

:21:39.:21:41.

Government. I'm in the asking that. People need to know that out there.

:21:42.:21:46.

They need to know if you know how to pay for all these spending pledges.

:21:47.:21:50.

So far you've spent the reverse of the corporation tax about eight

:21:51.:21:55.

times. 10. Well I missed the last two. We wouldn't be making those

:21:56.:22:01.

decisions to release money from the public purse, miss money out from

:22:02.:22:05.

the public coffers, at the same time as cutting pupil finding and

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breaking Labour manifestos. I wasn't asking what you weren't going to do,

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I was trying to find out what are you going to do. I'm sure if there

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is an early election you have something in the bottom drawer to

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answer the questions. Lawyeria, final word? I think it is risskey

:22:19.:22:27.

territory from the Government. I think it was an unusually angry

:22:28.:22:34.

Prime Minister's Questions on both sides and pure ideological

:22:35.:22:37.

difference. The Prime Minister's plans to bring back grammars, all

:22:38.:22:41.

this simmering away. Very uncomfortable for the Government

:22:42.:22:45.

Very uncomfortable. A better week for Jeremy Corbyn. Not killer blows

:22:46.:22:49.

but this is an issue that's very give and right now they don't want

:22:50.:22:53.

to budge on this principle, as I was suggesting, but you never know. We

:22:54.:22:57.

shall see. We are learning it is a Government that is willing to change

:22:58.:23:00.

its mind as things get hard. Keep your eye on school funding. It is

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time to talk about cake. Crumbs, eh? So what happens when -

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for Comic Relief, of course - you put a load of parliamentarians

:23:10.:23:11.

in a big tent with a load Mm, nice cup of tea,

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wasn't that a long PMQs. What I could really

:23:15.:23:24.

do with now is a... Cake ruined - I mean decorated

:23:25.:23:26.

by the hands of democrasy and The reigning champion was hungry

:23:27.:23:35.

for victory once more. When it comes to baking cakes

:23:36.:23:43.

and decorating cakes, more is more, that's a lesson my children

:23:44.:23:46.

have taught me. I think we have a high

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art concept cake there and I'm looking forward

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to win the prize. The rampant bunny cupcake,

:23:52.:23:55.

specially designed for Comic Relief and it's

:23:56.:23:57.

only 99 calories. Interesting our MPs chose cake

:23:58.:24:01.

decorating over sitting in a bath of baked beans to raise

:24:02.:24:10.

money for Comic Relief. When I was a teacher,

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I once taught for a whole day dressed up as a duck

:24:14.:24:15.

and I've always felt that maybe we should do something

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like that in Parliament. I've never been able to find a taker

:24:20.:24:24.

for this approach, so, You can expect next door's hamster

:24:25.:24:26.

to decorate a cake better than most of these MPs,

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but it's great fun and it's Do you know what,

:24:33.:24:35.

this lot are rubbish. Yeah, all right, it

:24:36.:24:38.

all tastes the same. That was hopeless. My mother used to

:24:39.:25:02.

say - it's all going down the same way. That's true but you want to

:25:03.:25:06.

look nice as well. Talking of which, here is how we got on with our

:25:07.:25:10.

earlier efforts. We asked our esteemed guests and give them a cake

:25:11.:25:15.

each. Look there they are, it looks like the Generation Game, do you

:25:16.:25:19.

remember they used to do that. Cuddly toy. Good game, good game. We

:25:20.:25:25.

gave them a set of different coloured icing. Look, the two

:25:26.:25:29.

concentrating so hard. Look, you can see Brandon Lewis thinks he's got

:25:30.:25:36.

something beautiful being created. I never said that. I said you

:25:37.:25:41.

thought it. And Richard Burgon going for what I would say is a - Labour

:25:42.:25:49.

motive. A Labour rose. You are very politically correct. There is mine.

:25:50.:25:54.

Andrew didn't think I would finish my piping during PMQs.

:25:55.:26:01.

I didn't think you would but then I stopped caring.

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So, to give us an idea of what a well decorated

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cake should look like, we have brought in an expert.

:26:13.:26:15.

Yes, I said "expert" - a cake school tutor from Konditor

:26:16.:26:17.

Show us how it should be done. What are you got on the top of your cake?

:26:18.:26:23.

So, I got the Daily Politics theme on there and a bit of the style of

:26:24.:26:29.

the logo. I got the... The colours a little bit. The BBC logo of course

:26:30.:26:35.

and some elements into the politics I designed. So when you do it,

:26:36.:26:39.

hopefully a little bit better than you... Them, I think, not me All of

:26:40.:26:46.

you, exactly. You have to have a steady hand. You do. It is quite

:26:47.:26:50.

difficult. Actually the quicker you go, the better it is. Can you judge

:26:51.:26:59.

in Richard and Brandon's case? It is quite minimalistic. I said - less is

:27:00.:27:04.

more. But we can definitely stick to the swirly pattern that we normally

:27:05.:27:09.

have on our cakes. I can see some Easter trends with an Easter nest.

:27:10.:27:13.

And obviously the roses there. Have they risen to the challenge? Well, I

:27:14.:27:18.

would say, definitely kept to the theme of, you know - the rose. It is

:27:19.:27:23.

safe for public consumption as well? Is it? Now, what about mine? Is that

:27:24.:27:31.

half-baked or... ? I like it because it has a nice border which we always

:27:32.:27:36.

try to do at our company. And also, I like the sort of - there is

:27:37.:27:42.

definitely a flower theme to it, I like the flower with a swirl in the

:27:43.:27:48.

centre. I'm not sure it would be. If there was a euphemism for Brexit,

:27:49.:27:53.

Andrew, in terms of clean, uncomplicated, falling off a cliff

:27:54.:27:54.

edge. What? Never mind. You have to

:27:55.:27:59.

remember it is for Comic Relief. Did you actually take part in the film?

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No, I wasn't there for that. Sadly not. And I don't think you will be

:28:04.:28:10.

asked. Don't worry. Can you be taught how to do this. Richard says

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he hasn't been trained which implies if he was trained... You can be very

:28:15.:28:21.

much taught. I do this on a daily bases, I'm a teacher. You Kyoto

:28:22.:28:24.

Protocol prove, come and see me. Right we need to go.

:28:25.:28:26.

There's just time to put you out of your misery and give

:28:27.:28:29.

It was 1992. Richard, press the red button. There we go.

:28:30.:28:38.

Bill Thomas. 1992, well done. We don't know where you are fro but

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we'll leave that. The One O'Clock News is starting

:28:41.:28:42.

over on BBC One now. Jo and I will be here at noon

:28:43.:28:56.

tomorrow with all the big political

:28:57.:29:00.

Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn are joined by Home Office minister Brandon Lewis and shadow justice secretary Richard Burgon. They discuss what is in the government's in-tray and look at upcoming issues for the prime minister. Laura Kuenssberg also joins for analysis of Prime Minister's Questions.

The Guess the Year competition closes at 12.30pm during the live broadcast of this programme.


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