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Police say their investigation into the terror attack


on Westminster is focussing on the "motivation, preparation


and associates" of Khalid Masood, and confirm several raids


As the investigation widens, do the police and intelligence


agencies have sufficient resources and legal powers to monitor


all known on radical extremists in the UK?


Ahead of the start of formal Brexit talks, we look at the future


of the car industry, and ask what kind of trade


deal would be best for manufacturing jobs in the UK.


And we take a look back at the other political stories of the week,


including rows at the top of Labour, and pressure on George Osborne


All that in the next hour and with us for the duration


Paul Waugh, the Executive Editor, Politics, at the Huffington Post,


political editor at the Sunday Express.


So, we will be devoting most of today's programme to coverage


and discussion of the terror attack in London.


But before we bring you the latest on the police investigation,


politics is slowly returning to normal business,


and ahead of the triggering of Article 50 next week


the president of the European Commission, Jean Claude Juncker,


has been speaking to the BBC's Europe Editor Katya Adler.


How will you feel on Wednesday when that letter of notification,


that formal letter of notification, arrives here in Brussels?


I will be sad, as I was sad when the vote, the referendum


But does it feel like a failure, President Juncker?


Jean-Claude Juncker there, who has been saying many things about


Britain in recent weeks, most of contradictory. One wiki is nice to


us and the next week, he is threatening punishment. Yes, and he


said the beginning of the week that basically, you know, the UK would


regret its decision and then later on in the week we are told he is not


going to punish us for our decision to go so we don't know where we


stand but broadly, we do know that he's pretty hostile to the UK in


terms of the negotiating position, that it remains to be seen where


things go from there given the fact that, even though we are a long way


off from the 23rd of June, the formal process Brexit only begins on


Wednesday. Indeed. We know how important Jean-Claude Juncker is


going to be in this. Angela Merkel can't stand him. Michel Barnier will


be doing the negotiations for the commission, not Jean-Claude Juncker,


but he has repeated again this figure of an exit bill of ?50


billion, a figure floating around in Brussels. I would suggest to you it


is politically impossible for any British government to the a figure


anywhere near that. I think you're absolutely right which is why


Cabinet ministers had been banging the table, putting their feet down


this week and making absolutely clear ?3 billion would be massive,


never mind 50 billion. Michel Barnier will be sparring constantly


with David Davis and they are both old pros. They are both smart. They


know what they are doing and they will be a negotiation obviously,


give-and-take, and ultimately, it's a question of who will blink first


and we will see who does. Tomorrow, the EU 27, all of them except


Britain, are going to be celebrating the anniversary of the Treaty of


Rome, a historic event in the 1950s that, because Brexit and other


things, why would suggest as well, the election cycle in Europe, still


massive levels of youth unemployment, it's taking place


under something of a cloud? It is, and also if you think about the fact


we're not going to there and Jean-Claude Juncker is very


disappointed by the decision taken on the 23rd of June, it is going to


be difficult to have a celebration falls are all so with a cloud of


this terrorist attack in London, and it's very difficult for them to sort


of talk about punishment beating and being very hard on us when London is


yet again under the cloud of a terrorist attack, which is always


going to colour these kinds of discussions. And when we know the


vital importance of British intelligence and security services,


not just to this country, but to the whole of Europe. That, as the


primers to keep saying, won't change after Brexit. That intelligence


links, sharing, and a former European arrest warrant could


continue after Brexit but we talk about the European Union celebrating


its anniversary but don't forget some of the countries over there and


the leaders think coming out of the eurozone crisis, their economies are


growing. The eurozone is growing. There is a sense of growing


optimism, it is not doom and gloom and they think it's a brand-new


chapter for them as much as us. We shall see.


So far four people have died as a result of Wednesday's


Another 50 are injured - several of them in critical condition.


But after the emergency response comes the analysis


As the hours pass, more information is emerging about the man police


The police have formally identified him as 52-year-old


Adrian Russell Ajao, born in Kent.


The Met Police say he had a number of aliases,


That was the first name we heard after the attack.


Most recently he was living in the West Midlands,


although he is also believed to have lived at certain times


in different towns in Sussex, as well as Luton and east London.


Ajao said he was a "teacher" - although the BBC has been able


to confirm that he never worked as a qualified teacher


He is also reported to have three children.


Ajao had never been convicted of a terrorism offence


but we know that some years ago he was investigated in relation


He also had previous convictions for possession of a knife,


grievous bodily harm and public order offences.


This morning the acting Deputy Commissioner


of the Metropolitan Police described the challenge facing the police,


as they try to establish whether Ajao, or Masood


as he was known, is part of a wider network of violent extremists.


As I've said previously, our investigation focuses


on understanding his motivation, his preparation and his associates.


Whilst there is still no evidence of further threats,


you will understand our determination is to find out


if either he acted totally alone inspired by terrorist propaganda


or if others have encouraged, supported or directed him.


To that end, in our continuing investigation and ongoing covert


activity, we have made two further significant arrests overnight.


One in the West Midlands and one in the north-west.


We now have nine people remaining in custody and one woman has


We remain keen to hear from anyone who Khalid Masood,


Anybody who understands who his associates were.


Anyone who can provide information about the places


There might well be people out there who did have concerns


about Masood that weren't sure or didn't feel comfortable


for whatever reasons in passing that information to us.


I now urge anyone with such information to call us.


That of head of counterterrorism at the Metropolitan Police.


And we can speak now to the BBC's Security


Gordon, at the moment in the public domain, all you know is that he


acted alone, at least he was the lone actor on the day. But the


police must think there could be more involved given the number of


arrests they have made. That absolutely rightful soccer crucial


phrase you use there was a lone actor on the day. It's clear he was


the only person involved in carrying out the attack, but that doesn't


necessarily mean they were not other people who supported him or knew


about it or who paps directed and encouraged him to do it. That is the


question police really want to answer at the moment because it


answers whether there is any residual threat from other


individuals out there who might be planning the same. So that is the


reason that they are making these arrests, carrying out these


searches, to try to understand whether those around him, the people


we knew, the contacts he had, were significant and had any


foreknowledge or involvement in the attack. The police will be at


interrogating those they have been arrested Thomas but I'll assume


Gordon, the police will also be trying to collect as much


information as possible, not from people arrested, but just from its


neighbours and people who might have known him and all the rest, which is


where some quite key intelligence could come from I would think?


That's right, they've gone to the hotelier where he stayed at just


before the attack, talking to the people there, and the other crucial


aspect to this is data, and they will look through communication


electronics, travel records, for connections, did he have encrypted


conversations with anyone? What were those are electronic devices he was


using? What was he browsing on the Internet? That could point to


whether others were involved, and was there, for instance, a guided


hand abroad linked to so-called Islamic State? They have said he was


their soldier but that does not necessarily mean they were directly


involved in the attack, so that will also be one of the key lines of


enquiry. In a way, Gordon, you would hope that it wasn't a sophisticated


and highly organised network. He may have had some help, may have had


amateurs in a sense like he was, but you would hope it wasn't


sophisticated and well-organised, because we've always assumed at that


level, our intelligence services will be on it as they have in


previous cases where they have thwarted attacks. That's right,


because the more sophisticated things are, the more people are


involved and the more travel and relocation is involved, the more


chances thereof for the intelligence services to find some entry point


into a plot to spot one of those people and hope they are under


surveillance, to intercept communications, and if it turns out


that there were significant other contacts, if there is a network


operating in the UK or a guiding hand abroad contacting people in the


UK, and the authorities did not know about it, that would be something


that will worry them. He wasn't part of the intelligence picture, the


current picture, only something historic, and so that indicate they


were not aware of people around him or of any contact, so I think they


will be looking to establish that or weather, which so far it looks like,


he was relatively isolated in his activity. Gordon, thank you very


much for that. Let's go now to Birmingham.


And I'm joined now by the MP for Birmingham Ladywood,


Welcome to the programme. We learned quite a lot of police activity of


the last 36 hours has been in part of your constituency, along the


Hagley Road. Tell us a bit about that and what the police have been


doing there. Andrew, as you know could there have been a number of


arrests and police raids on some properties in Hagley Road and the


Winston Green area of my constituency, which is not too far


away. There is obviously community concern about that. Nobody wants to


wake up and find they might have been living next door to a


terrorist, a murderer, or anybody involved in that horrific terrorist


attack and there is some community concern and the police have been


very active and obviously arrests have been made and that sends


reassurance investigation is continuing apace. I assume the


arrests had been made and we've seen the pictures of the police on the


Hagley Road and around the area, but I assume the police and also just be


trying to find out from the locals there what they know, what they can


tell? It may not seem important but in the broader picture of things, it


could be and the police will be doing that in that part of your


constituency? Yes, absolutely, there's been a strong message sent


out to anybody in the area that if they know anything, if they saw


Khalid Masood, they should share that information with the police. We


have seen in the media in the last day or two, some residents in my


area who may have lived next door to him or known him speaking to the


media and also the police, as well, so anybody who knows anything of


course is being encouraged to share that information with the police.


There is a member of Unity community events planned for today and


tomorrow as well and I know that message will go out very strongly


and also Friday prayers across the city, people will send out a very


clear message that anybody who knows anything about Khalid Masood, his


associates, must share that information with the police.


Birmingham has gone to a remarkable renaissance in recent years,


particularly in the city centre. We see that in the picture behind you,


which deaths looks wonderful. Is there a concern that fairly or


unfairly, Birmingham is also getting a name for being a terrorist


hotspot? I think of course there's been some recent academic research


on members of terrorist convictions across the country which shows that


Birmingham has the second-largest number of very considerably behind


London. That is what you would expect in terms of the size of our


city and the population here, but I think I would say that it is unfair


to characterise our city in that way. You have to look at those


numbers in context. We are talking about 39 convictions for terrorism


from 1998 onwards in a city that has a Muslim population of 235,000, so


we're talking about very small numbers but it's important we learn


about those 39 and we think about the patterns and pathways towards


radicalisation is that those 39 took so we can learn lessons, not just as


a city but as a country because it never bodies interests and our


desire to find out a way to completely eliminate this problem


which is exactly what we all want to do. The numbers are higher because


you are the second city is well and the population is bigger.


A Are you satisfied that within the many and varied Muslim communities


there are in the Greater Birmingham area, that most do feel comfortable,


feel willing to come forward and give what help, what knowledge, what


information they can to the police and Security Services? I mean


certainly in my own personal spears, I have dealt with constituents who


felt that they might have information that's useful to the


police and they have never felt any compunction about sharing that with


the police. I think there is a wider question around in particular the


Government's Prevent strategy, which, you know, has been in the


press a lot as to whether or not it has lost the confidence of the


Muslim community, not just in Birmingham but across the country


and I think Prevent in my experience has both good and bad aspects. There


is someexaminent work that has taken place in Birmingham which has been


effective. -- some excellent work. Which has prevented young people


from travelling to Syria to take part in the fighting. But there has


been some terrible practice and clangors by front line staff in


terms of referring young children, in inappropriate circumstances, to


various aspects of the Prevent strategy. I think the way to


improve, that build further resilience and confidence in the


community is to have a regular independent assessment of Prevent.


We can learn where it is doing well and mainstream that and also


eliminate bad practice to give communities further confidence that


they are not being spied on and they must feel entirely comfortable


sharing everything they know with the Security Services and police. I


understand. It is very interesting. Let me ask you one final question.


Do the people of Birmingham, their elected representatives like


yourselves, the authorities, is there still much more to do yet on


some problems that Birmingham schools have had with some sort of


extremist atmosphere and environment here, and with extremist preachers?


Are these two issue that is still need work done in the city? I think


there has been some good work after the so-called Trojan Horse scandal,


the issue you are referring to in relation to some Birmingham schools.


That's about reasserting the norms around governance of schools and the


responsibilities of governing bodies and I think the council and local


authority accepted that there were errors they had made in not


asserting the rules around governance properly and I think that


has been dealt with but I would say that there is always work to do


across our communities to build resilience, to make sure that we


stamp out extremist, whether that is preachers or publication or


literature. I think actually, if I was focussing resources, the thing I


would really spend money on is on in the online space and asking tech


companies, Google and others, that they need to do much more work and


take much more responsibility about the sorts of material on their


platforms which I think is accounting for a lot of online


grooming and radicalisation that we are seeing particularly of young


people. That is where we, across this country, have the biggest


problem but I also think it is where we can come up with the best


practical solution, working with the tech companies, making them take


responsibility and getting the material off the online platforms.


You are not the first politician to mention that to me this week, your


fellow Birmingham area MP, Liam Byrne was on this programme talking


about that earlier and making the same powerful points you are.


Shabana Mahmood, we have to leer it there. Thank you for your time. --


leave it there. Do the police and intelligence


services have enough resources In the last parliament,


the Government brought forward That would have given the police


and the security services more powers to access


people's digital communications. But that was dubbed the "Snooper's


Charter" by its opponents. And in 2013, the then-Deputy


Prime Minister, Nick Clegg, said that his Liberal Democrat MPs


would block the bill In 2016, the Conservative


Government brought forward a new piece of legislation -


the Investigatory Powers Act. This gave the authorities more


limited powers than had been Under the terms of the act,


the police are allowed to see which websites


suspects have visited. But they're not allowed to see


the specific web pages In terms of funding,


the Government is planning to spend an extra ?3.4 billion


on counter-terrorism over And ministers say they will hire


an extra 1,900 staff at MI5, However, the Government did cut


police spending in real terms Total spending on the police


in England and Wales fell from ?13.6 billion in 2010-11


to ?11.7 billion in 2014-15. After the election in 2015,


the Government said they would protect the police's


budget in this parliament. The Security Minister, Ben Wallace,


was on this programme yesterday and Jo asked him if the authorities


currently have the Do you think the security services


and GCHQ have enough resources to tackle all the potential suspects


that could perform this sort I meet with them regularly and I ask


and this Government has increased resources to fighting


counter-terrorism across Government and internationally by 30%


over this parliament. We have expanded MI6,


MI5 and GCHQ to meet the threat and we are very alive to asking


those agencies whether they have To discuss this we've been joined by


the Liberal Democrat peer and former Deputy Assistant Commissioner


of the Metropolitan And in our Exeter studio is


the Conservative MP Johnny Mercer. Welcome to the both. Brian Paddick,


you want to move away from blanket surveillance towards more targeted


monitoring. But maybe the only way that you pick up somebody like


Masood is by blanket surveillance. It is interesting, Andrew, I was


briefed by the Security Services. I visited GCHQ during the discussions


around the investigatory powers act. They did not need the blanket web


history information that you referred to before. They say that


they have other means of identifying that information. So, those powers


are eroding people's civil liberties, they are eroding freedom,


which is of course what the extremists want, and Security


Services say that they don't need those powers. The Security Services


wanted the investigatory powers act. I'm not saying we are against that


act as a whole, there are some good elements. But they want it as a


whole? The Security Services said they did not need and did not want


what is called internet connection records which is the web history of


every citizen of this history being held for 12 months. This is the


information about every web page... I see. So this is the actual pages


as opposed to the sites. Exactly. What do you say to that Mr Mercer.


If someone is regularly visiting Islamic State.com, in a way you


really need to know what the actual pages are, they are looking at. The


fact that they are going on to that website, which you can find out,


isn't that enough to put a red flag up? Well, I don't really recognise


what your other guest is saying in terms of what the Security Services


need in terms of powers. I think, you know, this bill has come,


through it's been scrutinised by three committees. It's been changed,


it's had all the attention that it gets going through Parliament and it


has been fed into by professionals and this is what they have asked


for, or required to keep us safe. I don't really think it is for


politicians and others to sort of make political points around civil


liberties. We all understand the points around civil liberties and


how important they are, but, you know, freedom isn't free. We have to


protect our way of life and if those we are going to ask to do that


require extra nous a digital age, which is becoming more complex, I


think we should give it to them. -- require extra powers. But Brian


Paddick's point was on the security servings he says, said they didn't


need to know all the web pages everybody has visited. OK, well, he


said, she said, I can't comment on the specifics of his conversations


in GCHQ. I know that intelligence and Security Services that I have


worked with in the past, you know, we need the tools at our disposal to


be able to do the job and one of those is surveillance, an electronic


surveillance of individuals, to try and identify these attack that is


are really really difficult to identify. Can I clarify this. If the


intelligence services get intelligence that somebody is a


suspected terrorists. We have no problem at all, from that moment


onwards, that person's communications, every website they


visited, that information being accessible. Would they need a


warrant for that? They would not need a warrant to be able to ask the


internet service provider to provide details of the last 12 months of


every web page. They don't need a warrant for under that these powers.


What we are saying if somebody is suspected from that moment on, keep


that information. But not every innocent member of the public in


this country. The other concern that I have, is, yes, there is all this


money going into the Security Service, but the budgets are being


cut for the police. So what we saw on Wednesday was this individual,


nowhere on the radar as far as the Security Services are concerned,


carrying out this attack. But he had been on the radar but didn't seem to


be worthwhile keeping him on it. Not currently on the radar. And there


are not sufficient armed police or community police officers who could


be working with communities around the country, getting the information


that the Security Services need, so they can target their resources more


accurately on the most dangerous people. That community - those


community policing officers are being cutback. There are


insufficient armed officers because the Metropolitan Police, for


example, has had ?1 billion cut from its budget in the last six years.


Let me put to that Jonny Mercer, Conservative MP. Total police


spending in England and Wales was 13.6 billion pounds in 2011, by 2015


it was 11.7. That's in real terms. So in cash terms, of course, much,


much bigger. You can all the sophisticated electronic equipment


in the world but nothing beats a local person coming up to the bobby


and saying -- I'm a bit worried about what is happening in number


24. Absolutely. Look the spend around counter-terrorism, the


visible part of policing that is so important in our communities, is as


important as it has ever been but the digital threat around technology


and so on, as your previous MP from Birmingham was saying - that is


xoencely growing all -- oxpoentiallye spanning all the time.


It is a team effort across government. Sure but you have cut it


in real terms. But it is across Government to try to counter the


threats we saw earlier this week. Not only the police, in other areas


as W it is at times like this we defeat this as a teenagers at


politicians, police, community providers. I don't think it is


really a time for cheap politic about an existential threat. Excuse


What is the cheap political point? The point coming from your, from the


other speaker is that the Government has cut this, that and the other.


They have made challenges decisions in a fiscal environment. But around


armed officers it is an operational policing decision. The Home


Secretary and Government doesn't stipulate how many armed officers


you have. We have a very challenging set of threats that is getting


greater all the time. I think the police is doing a good job and we


should get behind them. You don't think it is legitimate that at a


time when Westminster has just been under attack, to raise the matter


for public debate that the police budget has been cut by ?2 billion in


real terms. It is surely not a cheap political point. It is a perfectly


legitimate matter to raise. Yeah, the police budget that you have been


talking about has been cut, what about all the other spending into


Security Services and the growth around MI5 and MI6 and QCHF. These


are all the measures we bring into the counter-terrorism fight.


Paul Waugh has been listening, there is more money for the intelligence


services, and there will be more but in this current envainment cutting


police money will be more difficult. Don't forget he was Home Secretary


when the cats took place. Now maybe the idea that neighbourhood policing


has been cut, that message will be ahead of it louder. Of course, don't


forget, too, for the Prime Minister, she was behind this new


investigatory Powers act, that, at the same time, she's got someone in


her Cabinet, David Davis, who was a big civil libertarian and we didn't


see in her statement yesterday, as powerful as it was, was no


suggestion of extra powers, extra legislation, no repeat of Tony Blair


seven 712 point plan, she was very clear for not to make any promises


in terms of new powers. There was no policy changes, which was


interesting. She didn't go down that road falls of the government would


say these budgets have been cut. That, actually, crime has fallen,


the counterterrorist police have thwarted 13 attempts to attack our


nation, and the police are doing more with less. Yes, that's always


been their argument and also the ointment has been about the changing


nature of crime, the fact we are much more likely, instead of having


our house burgled and robbed on the street, it's defined people


accessing our bank accounts, so the very nature of crime is changed so


community policing is not as valid as it was before when they were


having to physically go to people's houses and interview them about


break-ins etc, so that has been one argument. It is interesting she


didn't say anything yesterday about extra powers and the new review of


terrorism was actually quite clear he thought not only did we have


enough powers but perhaps we had too many powers. It's interesting that


that narrative was coming out before this but I think the attack will


change that a game. As a person who was Home Secretary for six years


beforehand, she found herself in the unusual position, saying, wide and


you get powers when you are Home Secretary? It's interesting having a


Prime Minister who was Home Secretary covering these vital


issues coming to the fore even more after what happened there. Thank you


be joining us this morning. We believe that there. -- we will leave


it there. Yesterday, in the House of Commons,


the Prime Minister paid tribute to the police and the emergency


services for their response Theresa May's statement was followed


by a series of speeches by MPs. Here's just some of


their contributions. Tragically, as the House


will know, 48-year-old PC PC Palmer had devoted his life


to the service of his country. He had been a member


of the Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection Command for 15


years and a soldier He was a husband and a father,


killed doing a job he loved. He was every inch a hero and his


actions will never be forgotten. We see the police and


security every day. They're our colleagues,


they're fellow workers, they're friends, they're neighbours


and as the Prime Minister said, when dangerous and violent


incidents take place, we all instinctively run away


from them, for our own safety, the police and emergency services


run towards them. We are grateful for the public


service yesterday, today and every day that they pull on their uniforms


to protect us all. No terrorist outrage


is representative of any faith, or of any faith community


and we recommit ourselves to strengthening the bonds


of tolerance and understanding. Those who attack us hate our


freedom, our peaceful democracy, our love of country,


our tolerance, our Now, as we work to unravel how this


unspeakable attack happened, will she agree with me that we must


not, either in our laws or by our actions, curtail these values,


indeed we should have more of them? This was an horrific crime and it


has cost lives and caused injuries but as an act of terror,


it has failed. It has failed because we are here


and we are going to go It's failed because,


despite the trauma that they witnessed outside their windows,


our staff are here and they are It failed because, as the Prime


Minister so rightly said, we are not going to allow this to be


used as a pretext for division, This democracy is strong and this


Parliament is robust. This was an horrific


crime but as an act With your indulgence, Sir,


I would like to turn for a moment to PC Keith Palmer,


who I first met 25 years ago as Gunner Keith Palmer


at Headquarters Battery, He was a strong, professional,


public servant... And it was a delight to meet him


here again only a few months A difficult time there for the


Conservative MP. There were many tributes to PC Palmer in the debate


and a recognition of the carnage that it happened on Westminster


Bridge where the attacker had driven along that bridge knowing people


down, much worse in the end than we thought it was when we first heard


about it and even last night, 75-year-old man died of his


injuries. So for both inside and outside the Houses of Parliament of


Westminster, this was a very, very difficult time for the capital city.


Caroline, one thing they may have changed, in recent years,


Westminster has become almost a term of derision, it has become, for many


who want to attack the political system here, the way Washington is a


term of derision for a lot of American politicians in the


heartlands. I would suggest, after seeing that and after what has


happened, more difficult to make it a term of derision now. Yes, I think


you are right. It changes the narrative around it, and there was


people looking down their noses and actually when you looked at what was


said in the chamber, the words of solidarity with PC Palmer who


basically gave his life to protect thousands of people who work in that


building, it's not just about the MPs and the privileged elite, there


are members of staff cleaners, who work in that building who do that


job day in, day out, knowing it's always going to be a focus of


attention for people that want to disrupt our way of life and inflict


harm on our democratic processes. We always talk about the Westminster


village and the bubble, how cut off we are from the rest of the country.


But the attacker, unwittingly, has also shown that this village has


many fine people in it who have risen to the occasion of what the


atrocities have happened. Very much so. The Foreign Office minister was


very directly involved, Toby Elmore. I had the dubious privilege of


having an office which looked over and seeing him try desperately to


save the peace man's life along with other paramedics and policemen. --


policeman. Maybe this is a tidal change now because is not just


Westminster but Westminster Bridge where it happened and to many, many


people see that as a national symbol of that view across the bridge of


Big Ben, why ceremony people go there, tourists, and that's why one


of those people who died yesterday where there and today we find out we


had a pensioner who has been named as having been killed in his own


city. Yes, from Streatham. Exactly. Westminster is all of us in the


sense it represents all of us, and maybe that is exactly why he made


the wrong move attacking it. Now, as we know, the Prime Minister


will next Wednesday formally inform the European Union of the UK's


intention to leave the EU. Ahead of this key moment


on the journey to Brexit, I've got I can't even say at! It has been a


And it's this: Which member of the EU makes the most cars?


By one measure it's Slovakia, which produces more vehicles


You did not see that coming! The population is not huge.


So do they see Brexit as an opportunity to rev


up their industry at the expense of the UK?


Adam's been to the Slovak capital Bratislava to find out.


A massive garage for a country that makes a lot of cars.


Peugeot, Citroen, they've got a factory here.


There's a few Kias around around here.


There's a Porsche Cayenne over there.


That's made in Slovakia as well and over there is a Land Rover


and in a couple of years they'll be manufactured in Slovakia too.


The three big car manufacturers based here produce more


Along with their suppliers, they account for around a quarter


of a million jobs and 13% of the country's national income.


The Economy Minister has lured them here with tax breaks and government


money and it sounds like more could be on the way.


Many companies want to remove from the UK to European countries


and we offer these companies the possibility to place


Obviously you're discussing with car companies moving


With companies based in the UK, they want to remove their businesses


But, because the UK is also a big market for Slovakia,


he wants the Brexit negotiations to produce a free trade


I support this agreement and I think it is good for business and good


for creating jobs for the both economies, for the European Union


economy and for the UK economy it will be a challenge,


He suggests something along the lines of a trade deal struck


between the EU and Canada, although he also says it would have


to include some form of freedom of movement.


When it comes to the Brexit negotiations, there are another 26


But it does give us an interesting idea what direction


And we've been joined by the chairman of the Commons


Business Select Committee, Iain Wright.


Welcome to the programme. In general terms, how big a risk is the country


like Slovenia, in chunks of our car industry moving there? On the +, the


British car industry is a real success story. We have a great


workforce, it's very productive and efficient and it's not easy to


replicate it. Very high-tech. Exactly, so the degree of innovation


going into our cars, it's a good success story but, having said that,


car manufacturers, multinationals, they want access to the widest


possible customer base and that will mean being part of the single market


and so if you own a car company and you are thinking where do I'd put my


latest investment? You could think this so much uncertainty about


Brexit, I think I will have my new model in wherever. Because then I


know I'm totally inside. There's no tariffs, barriers, and I can bring


labour in and out as well. Did they miss something when economic


minister Dave tax breaks and incentives to go there? I thought


the EU was meant to be a level playing field? I think other


countries use state aid rules for the national economy is better than


we do. It's a frustration. You mean we don't cheat like they do? Cheat


is a strong web that help your comparative strengths. It's a case


of having to protect our national economies, not in a protectionist


sense, but this is a fiercely competitive global race and it's how


do we protect our global manufacturing in Britain? As you


say, our car industry, after having been, I was an industrial


correspondence in the 70s, it was a joke in Europe, and is now a huge


success story. Some of our plants are the most efficient in the world.


You have been bitten what needs to be done to the car industry, what


the government needs to do to remain a success post Brexit. What have you


found? There are two things. The long-term view, you don't just start


a car manufacturing plant tomorrow. It takes time to be able to turn


things around and so having that long-term view as part of an


industrial strategy, which favoured areas of competitive strength, that,


in the short to medium term with regards to Brexit, we've got to


provide certainty as much as possible and replicate the nature of


the single market in order to provide confidence for those car


manufacturers. I heard him saying Slovenia would be happy with the


free trade deal for Great Britain along the lines of the Canadian EU


free trade deal. Would that be as good, if we are not members of the


single market, which we won't be, is a free trade deal as good as it gets


and would that be pretty good? It's better than no deal. The Prime


Minister said no deal is better than no deal. Than a bad deal. Sorry,


yes, that's true but that's a concern because of tariffs, the


rules which slapped 10% on car exports for us, that would make is


very uncompetitive. I have been saying Slovenia but Slovakia we are


talking about here. A deal was done with it Nissan cars


which seemed to keep Nissan happy but one of the problems is we don't


really know what that deal s if it was a deal in the sense of an


actually written down deal as opposed to ministers saying - don't


worry everything would be fine. Would it not be helpful if there was


more transparency and other car manufacturers can see what is on


offer from the British Government? I do think that's fair, Nissan in my


part of the world, and it is important for the north-east economy


but the likes of Toyota and Honda will be saying, if Nissan gets


something, what about us but it is not a done deal, Nissan have gone on


the record saying they are reevaluating their investment in the


light of what might happen with the Brexit negotiations. So this is


going to come to the fore, this is all the stuff we'll have to to get


across once Article 50 is industriered. That is he a right. It


seems like a long time coming we are finally at this point where the


negotiations will start finally and trade will be a very big aspect of


that. I can tell you now, we have Liam Fox writing for us in the


Sunday Express this week where hopefully he will answer some of the


ideas about what the processes are going to look at in terms of our


trade... I bet he doesn't. Do you think that's going to be pulled


then? I hope not. One of the interesting thing about cars, I have


a friend who works in t and he points out it is a low margin


industry and if there are tariffs it makes a difference and that's why


someone like Liam Fox has to sort out is a long-term or transitional


deal. The whole tariff business is a two-way stream, if they put tariffs


in our cars that makes us less competitive, although we have been


much less competitive with the fall in the pound. But we, I assume put


tariffs in their car, that may not be overall a sensible thing o to do.


That would mean people would be more inclined to buy a Jaguar than


Mercedes, more inclined to buy a car made here than in France, for


example. It is difficult to see what is in the wash in the end? I think


you demonstrate it is in all of our interests that we get a good deal.


We don't know either of these things. But having said, that the


likes of France and Spain may be saying - hang on, we could aFrank


these car manufacturing plants and provide employment that's currently


in the UK, on to the continent. So we have to be important. One final


thing on, that the Peugeot-Citroen take over the Vauxhall, the remnant


part of General Motors in Europe, the fact that the French Government


has a combhing in that, that must be a little bit worrying? Of course it


is. It is the year of the French presidential election, any candidate


will be saying - what can we offer you, what sort of sweet heart deal


can we do? There is a considerable undercapacity in European car plants


and so they could move production. So it is a concern and the British


Government does need to provide clarity and certainty on that. We


will keep across all of this as the Article 50 talks get under way and


Ian Wright I hope you come back and continue to brief us on this. Thank


you. The terrorist attack on Wednesday


has rightly commanded the attention of politicians,


the public and the media. But while politics-as-normal has


been suspended for 48 hours, politics this week has been


as lively as ever. Labour's deputy lead accused union


boss, Len McCluskey, of plotting a hard-left takeover


of the party. Sometimes spirits in


the Labour Party can run high. George Osborne was the subject


of an urgent question in the Commons When I heard that this urgent


question had been granted, I thought it was important to be


here, although unfortunately we've missed deadline


for the Evening Standard. At Prime Minister's Questions,


Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn clashed on school funding


and grammars but the PM was defiant. Typical Labour, take the advantage


and pull up the ladder behind you. Two reports suggest millions


of people may have to work longer to qualify for a state pension -


possibly until the age of 70. And Martin McGuinness, the IRA


commander-turned peace maker, So things did go on as normal even


as we were focussing on the terrorist attack here at Westminster


this week. The Labour Party leadership - can I suggest that this


battle for the leadership of night night has become a proxy war for the


liedership of the Labour Party. -- of Unite. You have pro-Corbyn in


McCluskey and anti-Corbyn in the challenger I think that's what Tom


Watson was trying to do, in effect say - if you vote for Len McCluskey,


you vote for death of the Labour Party. Whereas if you vote for the


other candidate, you stop the hold that the har left have on T I think


there is this notion that they are going to fund Momentum candidates


rather than moderate Labour candidates and we have seen it going


on in Birmingham with the mayoral context up there. You can frame it


within that argument, I think. I don't get the - am I right in


thinking Mr McCluskey is still pretty much the favourite to be


re-elected? Yes, most people I talk to, it is not measured just by the


nominations that he gets but he is 80% ahead in terms of the


nominations but more importantly in terms of the impact on the Labour


Party, I was outside the Parliamentary Labour Party meeting


on Monday night, one of my duties I do every week on a Monday. You did a


great report. Have you got a tumbler up against the wall? A good mobile


phone. I I didn't need the tumbler because the shouts was so loud,


people shouting at Jeremy Corbyn. That's why he put out that video


trying to reassure people. There was' genuine anger about the


briefing going on over Tom Watson. That's why because there was a truce


for a while but it boiled over this week because of the Unite election.


If George Osborne had been in Parliament on Wednesday afternoon he


would have been part of the lock-out, he couldn't have got out,


only a mobile phone, battery running out adds many people found and the


city of which he is now editor of the biggest local newspaper, would


be producing its second edition, or a special edition because the city


was under attack. But he couldn't, as editor have done anything about


that at all. Is he going to survive as an MP and an editor? That's the


question lots and lots of MPs are asking and indeed virtually all the


bodies that oversee the sort of standards and conduct of MPs are


also looking into this as an issue. The idea that you would consider an


MP's job as being a full-time job, and you would really consider being


an editor of a newspaper, even a smaller regional newspaper... It is


a time-and-a-half job, let me tell you More than full time and that's


along with what, he has five or four other jobs on top of that. Don't


forget there was due to be a 1922 Committee meeting where he was going


to be hauled over the coals by some Tory MPs for this Standard job. As


it happened during the urgent question you saw there, a lot of


Tory MPs rallied around George Osborne, they didn't like it that


Labour was going on the attack so aggressively. So he had respite but


Caroline is right, a lot of Tory MPs are still upset. An influential


report came out, perhaps of a sign of things to come, the Cridlyn


report, the former Director-General of the CBI. All the headlines #3r


about, if you are 29, you have to work until you are 96 before you get


to retirement, quite rightly it got in the headlines but interesting


within it was to end the Tory flagship, actually Labour supported


the too, the triple lock on PEPses after 2020, that is going to rise,


it is a tough one for politicians, but they do need the money. They do,


and the likes of Ros Altman have been calling for the triple lock to


be ended for sometime. A couple of months ago she insisted it had been


on the table and had been discussed but it is also a kind of - it is one


of those issues, it is almost untouchable. It is the grey vote...


And they all vote Exactly. It is the centre-piece of what David Cameron,


particularly made as his kind of centre-piece, the protection of the


pension. But if you look at the economics, if you look at the


figures, and nobody is actually guaranteed it beyond 2020, it does


start to not make economic sense. Politician lbs pleased by that, it


gives them political cover, figures, ammo. But Labour is in a position


now to objecting to any cuts to this triple lock and we might have the


Tories who abeen done it. That would be a strange set of affairs. It


makes it moer difficult for the Tories, if Labour is going to hold


on to it. Article 50, triggered Wednesday, negotiations will begin


sometime thereafter. It's an historic moment, is it not It is and


what the Prime Minister said to the Cabinet this week. She said this is


an historic record. I suspect because of that, she is going to put


a lot of effort into the phraseology, the crafting, the


wording of this lemplt it is not going to be a two paragraph, you


know, bye-bye, it'll have real significance and she'll work on this


this record. An historic moment in our nation's history? Yes, it is


going to be an historic moment and also what is going to happen next in


terms of the union. That's the other question mark, what happens with


Scotland? They'll resume their talks about a second independence


referendum on Tuesday, so it'll have lots of ramifications in lots of


quarters. It will indeed. It gives us plenty to talk about.


Let's return to the terorrist attack in London and speak


to our political correspondent, Eleanor Garnier, who's outside


the gates to Parliament where Khalid Masood murdered PC


The gates are just right behind her. Eleanor, the saisant Met


Commissioner talked this morning about the chaining tone of security


outside Parliament. Is there any sign of that yet? Well there are


definitely more police officers wandering around Westminster but I


think that's happening across London and the rest of the country, too.


There is, of course going to be a review of security here at


Westminster and that's to be expected after an attack like this


One minister hog got caught up in the attack said in temples access to


-- one minister who got caught up in the attack said in terms of access


to Parliament things would needs to change and I think there are issues


about whether or not there are enough armed officers and military


on the state but the message has been clear from police chief, the


way the security set-up st allowed to design access of Parliament to


the heart of democracy, with security measures that are


proportionate and also not too intrusive as well. So, yes, there


are people who are questioning what is going on and maybe have some


concerns but MPs over the last day or so are saying they don't want


this area turned into some sort of for the rows with armed guards on


every single entrain exit. Does that mean, then, Eleanor as you stland


this morning, the guards on the gate, the Carriage Gate into the


yard where all the terrible action took place on Wednesday, are the


police there still unarmed, the ones on the gate. We know there are armed


ones behind them, further n the perimeter defence system, but are


they still unarmed in the gate? I have seen armed officers walking


past the gates here, not just at this entrance but down the other end


too, but more the visitors' entrance and the entrance that journalists


can use and MPs and peers. I was here for a couple of hours this


morning and I saw quite a few armed officers walking past Carriage Gate.


As you say there are officers on the inside as well but also officers hop


aren't armed as well. You were covering these events this week, I


see behind you, the traffic and tourists and some of them on the


green but, there on Parliament Square. It looks like we are getting


back to normal here now, is that fair? That's definitely fair,


Andrew. Remember, this attack happened not just two days ago, this


area I'm standing in was a crime scene 24 hours ago, there were


forensics crawling over the cobbles behind me. You almost wouldn't know


what had happened on Wednesday, were it not for flags flying at half-mast


and flowers that are now being laid in spots around wrems. I've walked


through the Palace and the police and the staff that you pass, I think


that eye contact, the smile is being held a second longer. Eleanor thank


you very much for everything this week.


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