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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics. | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
Ukip leader Paul Nuttall officially launches his party's election | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
campaign as he says the Brexit battle is only half won. | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
But he refuses to say where he will stand in the forthcoming election. | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
A man carrying knives is arrested on terror charges | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
In separate incidents, police arrest six people | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
in anti-terror raids in London and Kent. | :01:02. | :01:04. | |
The Prime Minister accuses the EU of "lining up" to oppose the UK | :01:05. | :01:10. | |
in Brexit negotiations after German Chancellor Angela | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
Merkel says the UK had "illusions" about how tough the talks will be. | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
We assess the state of play ahead of a crucial EU summit this weekend. | :01:19. | :01:24. | |
And it's been a while since we last had a "dressed down" | :01:25. | :01:27. | |
So why will this year's Queen's Speech be a low key affair? | :01:28. | :01:41. | |
All that in the next hour, and with us for the duration, | :01:42. | :01:44. | |
columnist for The Times Jenni Russell, and the executive editor | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
We are hoping to be joined by him shortly after he has been held up. | :01:48. | :02:00. | |
Now, a man was arrested near the Houses of Parliament yesterday | :02:01. | :02:02. | |
following an intelligence-led operation by the police. | :02:03. | :02:04. | |
The Metropolitan Police said the 27-year-old man was detained | :02:05. | :02:06. | |
Three knives that he was carrying in a rucksack | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
The arrest was carried out just yards from last month's deadly | :02:11. | :02:16. | |
terror attack in Westminster in which five people died, | :02:17. | :02:18. | |
In a separate incident, police say they have foiled | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
an active terror plot after a woman was shot during a raid on a house | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
Let's talk now to our home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw. | :02:28. | :02:38. | |
Danny, take us through the operation last night. This operation that took | :02:39. | :02:48. | |
place in Wilson last night involved armed police, and we are told by | :02:49. | :02:51. | |
Scotland Yard armed police were involved because of the nature of | :02:52. | :02:54. | |
the intelligence they were acting on. They used CS gas to enter a | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
property believed to be a top floor flat in Willesden. During that raid, | :02:59. | :03:06. | |
shots were fired and a woman was injured in the police shooting. She | :03:07. | :03:12. | |
is in a serious but stable condition in hospital. Witnesses saying she | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
was led out and treated on the pavement in front of the property. | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
She appeared to have a bandage on her arm and also on her stomach, | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
though the extent of the injuries hasn't been confirmed. She is not | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
yet been arrested, she is under armed guard in hospital. Six other | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
people have been arrested, however, and three of them are women, two men | :03:33. | :03:41. | |
and a 16-year-old boy. One of the arrests took place in Kent. The | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
others were all in or near the property. Police have confirmed that | :03:45. | :03:48. | |
as a result of their actions, a plot believed to have been targeted at | :03:49. | :03:55. | |
the UK has been foiled. A plot foiled as a result of police actions | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
in Willesden last night. We were just showing footage taken by a | :04:00. | :04:05. | |
witness to that police action on a mobile phone to just explain to | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
viewers. Unrelated, there has been another arrest. A man who was armed | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
with three nights in Westminster. Tell us a bit about that. This was a | :04:15. | :04:20. | |
separate counterterrorism investigation. We understand this | :04:21. | :04:23. | |
individual had been on the police security service radar for some time | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
and then police received some information believed to be from | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
among the community raising concerns about this particular individual, | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
and as a result, he was stopped and searched in Westminster very near to | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
Parliament Square yesterday. As a result of that he's been arrested | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
under counterterrorism laws. At least three knives have been | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
recovered. They were seen on the pavement being forensically examined | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
yesterday. The incident has been under control. The 27-year-old man | :04:57. | :05:02. | |
is still in custody being questioned by police. So two incidents | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
unrelated, both intelligence-lead, and according to police, both have | :05:08. | :05:13. | |
been successfully contained. It comes weeks after the attack at the | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
Houses of Parliament in which several people, including PC Keith | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
Palmer, lost their lives. People might be concerned and asking | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
questions about an increase in what they see as terror-related incident | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
-- incidents and crimes. I think some of these things we've been | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
seeing have been going on every week for the past couple of years. Police | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
have been making arrests, carrying out operations. Some get more | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
publicity than others. The incident that took place at Westminster | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
yesterday was obviously of huge concern because of the proximity to | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
the Houses of Parliament, Downing Street, government officials, | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
ministers and so on. And because of the fact that it had echoes of the | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
tragic events of last month. But the fact is that the police have been | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
working round-the-clock for a number of years on counterterrorism | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
operations. Much of what they do, as the Prime Minister said yesterday, | :06:11. | :06:13. | |
we don't hear about and don't see them do it, but they are working | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
behind the scenes carrying out arrests. And it is possible that | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
some of the activity we are seeing might be some kind of response to | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
the events of last month. Perhaps the police are trying to nip things | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
in the bud a bit earlier because they don't want operations to | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
escalate. But it is clear that what police are doing is acting on | :06:35. | :06:37. | |
intelligence rather than in response to a direct threat on a particular | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
day. And in terms of that intelligence and responding to it, | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
people will be relieved of course if the police have managed to foil, if | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
that turns out to be the case, those plots you were talking about at the | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
beginning. This does of course provide some reassurance to the | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
public that the police are doing their work. The other thing that is | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
striking is that they do rely on information from members of the | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
community. It seems that that information was crucial in | :07:07. | :07:09. | |
yesterday's arrest in Westminster, it's been crucial in other | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
investigations as well. And police are urging anybody with suspicions | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
to come forward. They are emphasising this is not something | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
they can do by themselves. They are the ones who carry out the arrests | :07:21. | :07:27. | |
and investigations but they rely on intelligence and information from | :07:28. | :07:29. | |
members of the public, concerned family, friends, other members of | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
the community, to call in or message them in some way. Thank you very | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
much. Are you reassured rather than concerned, Jenni Russell? I don't | :07:39. | :07:44. | |
know that I've ever reassured by the fact that you have meant walking | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
around carrying three knives, let alone one! I am reassured, actually. | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
I'm rather impressed that the police seem to have enough lines into | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
communities and enough trust that people are letting them know ahead | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
of time. There's so much police work we never know anything about but it | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
seems impressive they could stop somebody walking down Whitehall and | :08:05. | :08:07. | |
they had exactly the right person, and indeed he was carrying weapons | :08:08. | :08:13. | |
he intended to use. Let's leave there. | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
Yesterday we found out that the Queen will dress down | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
for the State Opening of Parliament after the general election. | :08:21. | :08:23. | |
So the question for today is when was the last time she did so? | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
You can wait till the end of the show to give us the answer. What we | :08:27. | :08:43. | |
really want to know is what dressed down means. Does it mean jeans and a | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
T-shirt? We will see! All will be revealed! | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
EU leaders are gathering in Brussels tomorrow for a summit to agree | :08:54. | :08:56. | |
the EU's negotiating strategy for the forthcoming Brexit talks. | :08:57. | :08:58. | |
Yesterday the Prime Minister accused the EU of "lining up" to oppose | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
She was responding to comments by the German Chancellor, | :09:02. | :09:04. | |
Angela Merkel, who said the UK had "illusions" about how | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
Let's have a listen to what they had to say: | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
TRANSLATION: To us, it may seem obvious the form | :09:12. | :09:14. | |
negotiations will take, but there are some in Britain | :09:15. | :09:16. | |
who still labour under quite some illusions. | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
We have seen that actually, there will be times when these | :09:20. | :09:28. | |
Yet our opponents are already trying to disrupt them, | :09:29. | :09:38. | |
at the same time as 27 other European countries | :09:39. | :09:40. | |
Let's talk now to our correspondent in Brussels. | :09:41. | :09:50. | |
Let's pick-up festival on Angela Merkel's comments. Has there been a | :09:51. | :09:57. | |
distinct shift by her or is it merely a change in tone? -- pick up | :09:58. | :10:04. | |
first of all. I don't think there's been a shift in tone. There's been a | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
very clear policy throughout. What they may have been is a shift to an | :10:10. | :10:16. | |
indication of frustration, irritation on the German side. The | :10:17. | :10:23. | |
messages they are hearing from the UK, for example. She talked about | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
illusions in the UK and she would specifically talking about the | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
statements by politicians in the UK that they could negotiate a deal | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
with almost the exact same benefits as we currently enjoy. Her point to | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
the German Parliament was that this simply won't be possible for a | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
country that leaves the EU, leaves the single market, leaves the | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
customs union. That leaves behind many of those benefits and would | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
have a different type of deal. She described it as a waste of time even | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
talking about that and I think the concern in the German side is that | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
they feel this could make negotiations very difficult and | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
start from a very difficult point when they really want to get down to | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
business. Is their consensus, then? Would you say the 27 member states | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
agree with both her sentiment and tone on that issue? Pretty much, | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
yes. Interestingly, what you hear, and I've been hearing this morning | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
in Brussels from EU sources, is that they say there was an astonishing | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
amount of consensus. They never actually thought they would be so | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
much consensus so quickly and so easily on the EU side. Now, they | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
have prepared their negotiating position, their guidelines, and | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
those will be agreed tomorrow by the 27 leaders who come here for a | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
summit in Brussels. They feel, I think, that they have very quickly | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
cohere around a united position and that there are very few if any | :11:52. | :11:55. | |
cracks in that. But they are concerned about how the negotiations | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
might go and aspects of that, particularly arguments over things | :12:01. | :12:03. | |
like the financial side, the liabilities the UK has incurred. But | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
they will stick to broadly the line that they want the divorce bill to | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
come first in their mind and then the rest of the negotiations will | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
follow through, even if there are broad outlines? I space people have | :12:17. | :12:24. | |
to remember Angela Merkel has a national audience to appeal to. She | :12:25. | :12:27. | |
has got to say it can't be attractive for a member state to | :12:28. | :12:30. | |
leave the EU in order to deter others. -- I suppose people have to | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
remember. I suppose that's true but I think it's far closer to the EU | :12:37. | :12:43. | |
position as we understand it, that this is simply the basis of their | :12:44. | :12:49. | |
position and that they will agree this and are very unlikely to shift | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
from it, and on the subject about the sequence, that was going to be | :12:54. | :12:59. | |
very clearly laid out as well. This is one of the very clear underlined | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
principles that the EU 27 have agreed and will lay out very | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
publicly tomorrow, which is that there must be an agreement on the | :13:09. | :13:14. | |
withdrawal, that means the amount that the UK has to pay to meet its | :13:15. | :13:20. | |
obligations already entered into in the EU, Citizens' writes, issues | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
around the border with Northern Ireland - all of those things there | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
must be progress on before any discussions about a future trade | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
deal, and there won't even be a possibility to enter those future | :13:32. | :13:34. | |
discussions till those first things are thank you. | :13:35. | :13:41. | |
How did you respond when you heard Angela Merkel, Jenni? One might have | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
said she was stating the obvious, or was this a warning shot to Britain | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
in any serious sense in the negotiations? I think she was | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
meaning what she has said and saying what she said. She has been utterly | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
consistent from the beginning and Britain refuses to take what the EU | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
says seriously. They have a fantasy that they will change their minds | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
and say after all, you can have everything you wanted and we aren't | :14:07. | :14:14. | |
serious about our position. But the EU has been consistent. You cannot | :14:15. | :14:16. | |
have the benefits of membership if you don't want to be a member. You | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
will have to renegotiate your relationship with us from outside | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
the EU. And we keep talking about this in puzzlement, as if we expect | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
these people whom we are defying to give us all the lollipops and | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
sweeties we wanted as if we were children! But it does give Theresa | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
May an opportunity to say, they are also lining up against me, that's | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
why I have to strengthen my hand, even if you believe what she has to | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
do is strengthen her hand against some of those in her own party who | :14:47. | :14:53. | |
want a clean Brexit. I think her rhetoric is extremely damaging. At | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
the moment she wants to say, look at me, standing alone against the | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
world, it's us against the world. But the EU are looking at this in | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
astonishment and saying, why are you making this so negative? And for | :15:07. | :15:15. | |
Theresa May not to recognise that she has two seduce people and | :15:16. | :15:17. | |
persuade people in the EU to give her as good a deal as possible, | :15:18. | :15:20. | |
because we have a very weak and negotiated -- negotiating hand. -- | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
she has to seduce people. It matters much more to us that we can get | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
these negotiations done as smoothly and as quickly and effectively as | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
possible than it does to the rest of the EU. Except those very much in | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
favour of Brexit and a swifter Brexit would say the opposite. They | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
would say the EU needs us just as much in terms of future business, in | :15:44. | :15:49. | |
terms of the sale and trade of cars and other manufacturing exports, but | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
importantly, there will also be those who are in favour of a clean | :15:54. | :15:55. | |
and hard Brexit, which ever would you | :15:56. | :16:08. | |
want to use, who will agree with Angela Merkel, and that's why we | :16:09. | :16:11. | |
should leave as soon as possible, and we can come out without a deal | :16:12. | :16:13. | |
and go on to world organisation trade rules. But there will be 10% | :16:14. | :16:16. | |
tariffs on everything coming into the country and we will be paying | :16:17. | :16:19. | |
tariffs on anything we send to the EU. It will be immensely damaging | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
for the EU economy and our trade is much more important to us than to | :16:25. | :16:30. | |
the EU as a whole. Although it is a diminishing amount. But diminishing | :16:31. | :16:33. | |
very little compare to everything else. We are foolish to see we are | :16:34. | :16:39. | |
in a weak position and we need to be really -- realistic that the EU will | :16:40. | :16:42. | |
do exactly what it said right at the beginning. Thank you. | :16:43. | :16:57. | |
The SNP leader, Nicola Sturgeon, says the election in Scotland | :16:58. | :16:59. | |
is a straight fight between her party and the SNP. | :17:00. | :17:01. | |
Ms Sturgeon has been campaigning near Glasgow this morning, | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
prioritising public services and community investment. | :17:05. | :17:05. | |
And she said that only her party "can stand up to the Tories". | :17:06. | :17:08. | |
The Conservatives, for their part, are campaigning on a message | :17:09. | :17:11. | |
of opposing the SNP's bid for a second | :17:12. | :17:12. | |
Joining me now from Edinburgh is the SNP MP Tommy Sheppard. | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
Welcome back to the Daily Politics. Are you concerned about the latest | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
polls indicating you are on course to lose a number of seats to the | :17:21. | :17:24. | |
Tories? We know throughout Scotland this will be a battle between the | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
SNP and the Tories and we know in some seats it will be closer than | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
others. But we relish the prospect of taking the battle to them and | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
winning the general election in Scotland. How has this resurgence | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
for the Conservatives happened, bearing in mind you always like to | :17:42. | :17:50. | |
make the joke that there are more pandas in Scotland than Tory MPs, | :17:51. | :17:53. | |
how has this happened when the SNP have been in government? The SNP | :17:54. | :17:55. | |
have been in government for ten years in Scotland and we are more | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
popular than ten years ago. So why are the Tories winning more seats? | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
If they win more seats it will not be many. Tory support is back to the | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
level it was when Margaret Thatcher was in office. There always have | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
been Tories in Scotland, no one has said otherwise. What has changed is | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
the collapse of the Labour Party say we have a too was race between the | :18:16. | :18:22. | |
SNP standing up against a story to add to the rights of Scotland | :18:23. | :18:25. | |
against a Tory government which is trying to do otherwise. Using those | :18:26. | :18:28. | |
words which you have spoken there, what does it say if after the | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
anti-Tory rhetoric, and you talked about austerity, that actually, the | :18:33. | :18:38. | |
governing party, the Tories' presence in Scotland will grow. If | :18:39. | :18:41. | |
it grows, and I don't think it will, it will not be by very much. | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
Elections are won by the party who gets the most votes and the most | :18:47. | :18:50. | |
seats and I do not think it will be the Conservative Party and they are | :18:51. | :18:52. | |
very keen to try and talk up the narrative that by winning one or two | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
seats somehow they have won the election and I do not think that is | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
the case. People will want to judge the Tory rhetoric, they will want to | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
judge the government making low-paid women fill out a form to prove they | :19:06. | :19:12. | |
were raped, a party that is bringing in cuts to disabled people and is | :19:13. | :19:15. | |
now threatening the basic pension. These are the issues we will be | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
taken to the Tories. We will come back to that issue about what you | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
call the rate clause later in the discussion. You say it may only be a | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
few seats, predictions at the moment is that it is eight seats. You can | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
see why the Tories will flag it up as a massive victory. Do you think | :19:36. | :19:42. | |
the chickens are coming home to roost for the SNP after ten years in | :19:43. | :19:45. | |
power in Scotland? You lost your majority and the only way is down? | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
As dead think that is the case at all. I think the SNP is in a very | :19:51. | :19:57. | |
strong position going into this election and actually, the Tories | :19:58. | :19:59. | |
are in a week has issued which is masked by the fact the Labour Party | :20:00. | :20:02. | |
has collapsed, and many people who used to vote Labour are now | :20:03. | :20:05. | |
considering voting Conservative. I think when we expose the | :20:06. | :20:08. | |
Conservatives' record on what their intentions are, people will not want | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
to give this government any more of majority that they have already and | :20:13. | :20:15. | |
I am confident we can win the battle against them. The SNP is in a good | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
position going into this election. We have a proud record in Scotland | :20:20. | :20:21. | |
and a proud record at Westminster of standing up we will be demanding | :20:22. | :20:39. | |
that Theresa May does not stand in the way of the Scottish Parliament | :20:40. | :20:41. | |
and that she will respect the wishes of the people who live in Scotland. | :20:42. | :20:44. | |
That is what this election will be about. What level of result will it | :20:45. | :20:47. | |
take for saying this is another level of endorsement for holding a | :20:48. | :20:49. | |
second referendum? I am not going to speculate. There is only one vote | :20:50. | :20:52. | |
which matters and that is an GDA. Any predictions... You just | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
predicted the Tories will not get many seats! We will be fighting them | :20:57. | :21:00. | |
in every single seat, including the last remaining one they held at the | :21:01. | :21:04. | |
last election and we are confident we can beat the Tories throughout | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
Scotland. If the Unionist parties had more votes, with that muddy the | :21:10. | :21:15. | |
waters in calling for a second referendum? This is why the Tories | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
are banging on about independence. This election is not about a for | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
Scottish independence or even a mandate for a referendum on Scottish | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
independence. That mandate already exists. Is that because you are | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
worried about the result of this election? It is a matter of where | :21:34. | :21:42. | |
the appropriate decision should be taken. This should be a matter for | :21:43. | :21:44. | |
the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Parliament have voted that | :21:45. | :21:47. | |
in a couple of years' time people in Scotland should be allowed a choice | :21:48. | :21:49. | |
on that. The reason why they reached a decision was in large part because | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
of Theresa May's refusal to consider any differential relationship post | :21:55. | :22:03. | |
Brexit with Scotland and to respect Scottish opinion. Can I get you to | :22:04. | :22:06. | |
ask the question -- can I get you to answer the question, you have made | :22:07. | :22:09. | |
it clear you think you have a mandate and Nicola Sturgeon has said | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
that, for a second independence referendum, but if in this election | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
the Unionist parties together had more votes than the SNP, with that | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
make it more difficult? No, I didn't think so. The mandate would have | :22:22. | :22:28. | |
been daily did. The decision has been taken by the Scottish | :22:29. | :22:31. | |
Parliament and what this election is about in part is a test and a | :22:32. | :22:39. | |
judgment about whether Theresa May is right to -- to refuse to listen | :22:40. | :22:46. | |
to the Scottish people. It is also about the rape clause. Let's talk | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
about that. It was raised in the House of Commons at prime ministers | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
questions. This is about the government's plan to introduce a tax | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
cap on tax credits which would restrict benefits to the first two | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
children in any family, but an exemption exists for children born | :23:04. | :23:07. | |
as a result of rape, but women would have to provide evidence to the | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
state to qualify. What do you want to see happen? I want scrapped, to | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
be honest. This will slipped out last year by George Osborne in the | :23:17. | :23:23. | |
small print of his 2016 budget. The government has faced universal | :23:24. | :23:26. | |
opposition to this, including in the United Nations. It then had a | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
consultation just before Christmas and slipped the results out on the | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
day of Donald Trump is that in operation and has decided foolishly, | :23:35. | :23:38. | |
I think, to go ahead with this quite apparent policy. The idea of making | :23:39. | :23:42. | |
low-paid women prove that they were raped in order to get access to tax | :23:43. | :23:47. | |
credits I think will offend most right minded people's sensitivities | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
in a civilised society. I understand, but can I get your view | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
on the policy more broadly. Are you against a policy which limits | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
benefits, tax credits, to families of two children and not more? Yes, I | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
am. I do not think it is for the government to decide on a two child | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
policy for British families. I think tax credits should be done on the | :24:11. | :24:13. | |
basis of people's need and therefore you should be able to apply on the | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
size of your family. If somebody has three or four children they are | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
trying to bring up I think they are deserving of a larger tax credit | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
than somebody with one or two. That has | :24:25. | :24:37. | |
always been the case up until about a week ago. Stay with us. I am just | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
going to welcome James Delingpole from Breitbart. You have made it. | :24:42. | :24:44. | |
Isn't this a problem with unforeseen or not thought through consequences | :24:45. | :24:46. | |
of a benefit's policy? I think this is the kind of low politics that the | :24:47. | :24:52. | |
SNP specialises. It is white moderate people find something | :24:53. | :24:54. | |
slightly repellent about the SNP which is probably while we will be | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
glad they will lose a few seats in the next election. This is the | :24:59. | :25:04. | |
bedroom tax Redux, a perfectly sensible policy designed to reduce | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
the amount of benefits for women who want to use child-bearing as a | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
career option. That is sensible. What they have done is some | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
foolishly introduce this clause where the third child, if you want | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
claim benefits for a third child, if you have been raped. It has been | :25:22. | :25:28. | |
twisted by the SNP as if it is a bad thing. They bandy about the phrase | :25:29. | :25:34. | |
rape clause. Why is it being twisted? You say it is women who | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
wanted their children as a living, why is it that the government did | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
not think through properly, when they are trying to limit and reduce | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
benefits, which people may arguably say is not going to stop that much | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
more money being spent from the public purse, that they bring in | :25:52. | :25:54. | |
something people would find humiliating and degrading which is | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
to ask women to state in a paper how they have been raped? Because | :26:00. | :26:04. | |
whoever introduced that clause reckoned without the malign cunning | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
of the SNP. It was just designed to look after women who have been | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
raped. It was meant to be kind and instead it turned out to be abused. | :26:14. | :26:19. | |
Tommy Sheppard, malign cunning of the SNP, are you not just focusing | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
on this because you know it is emotive, rather than the policy | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
itself? No, and it is really quite shocking that they are defending | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
this policy and attacking people who criticise it. I should say the | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
criticism comes from right across the political spectrum, including | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
many Conservative people who are rightly, this does offend the | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
sensitivities. The idea of forcing low-paid hard-working women to fill | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
in an eight page form to prove they were raped in order to get access to | :26:50. | :26:54. | |
tax credits should have no place in a civilised society. If the | :26:55. | :26:57. | |
government had any sense they should scrap it in the manifest and make a | :26:58. | :27:00. | |
pledge to get rid of it and I think they would be applauded for that. | :27:01. | :27:06. | |
Jenni Russell, what do you think? Should the government dropped the | :27:07. | :27:12. | |
whole policy? I do not think there is an easy answer to this. It is a | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
difficult situation. Generally the idea that most people should only be | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
able to get tax credits the two children would probably be | :27:22. | :27:23. | |
electorally popular, because there are a small number of people who | :27:24. | :27:27. | |
have a large number of children. But it is wrong to say that these tax | :27:28. | :27:30. | |
credits are applied to people who are staying at home. Tax credits | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
under Universal Credit are there to support people in low-wage jobs, and | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
often people will end up having third children, not necessarily | :27:40. | :27:42. | |
intentionally, but by accident. The problem is, when you look at the | :27:43. | :27:46. | |
form itself, it is absolutely bleak and horrifying to see in heavy type, | :27:47. | :27:54. | |
if your child is born as a form of rape and coercive control. It also | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
means what would the child themselves understand about their | :28:00. | :28:02. | |
conception? Suppose you are a mother and you have three children and then | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
your children realise you're getting money in a household the two | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
children, you might not want any child to know they were born as a | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
result of such incident. There are so many unpleasant and ramifications | :28:17. | :28:19. | |
of this that I think the government may have to pull back because it is | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
so nasty. It was very uncomfortable for Theresa May when she was asked | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
about it at prime ministers and is? Yes. This is the kind of sensitive | :28:30. | :28:39. | |
what about this particular case, what about that? The reason this | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
clause was introduced was to protect women who have been raped, not to | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
stigmatise all women. If we are not going to enforce these rules then, | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
if the government doesn't have the courage to force them then maybe | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
they should not bother. Tommy Sheppard, just before we finish, one | :28:57. | :29:06. | |
of your MSPs said that victims had to describe their trauma to civil | :29:07. | :29:11. | |
servants. That is not the case. They will actually be speaking to a | :29:12. | :29:19. | |
health care professional if this policy is stuck to? Detailed form to | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
fill in. But we come back to the point that this is a disgraceful | :29:24. | :29:26. | |
policy the government should get rid of. Let's not pretend I am opposing | :29:27. | :29:31. | |
this because I am some sort of bleeding heart liberal. This is a | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
difference between people who believe indecency in our political | :29:36. | :29:41. | |
system and people who do not. Sheppard, thank you. | :29:42. | :29:47. | |
Now, one party which will be hoping to up its representation | :29:48. | :29:50. | |
at the State Opening of Parliament is Ukip. | :29:51. | :29:52. | |
Recently its one MP, Douglas Carswell, left the party | :29:53. | :29:54. | |
to sit as an independent, meaning that once again Ukip | :29:55. | :29:56. | |
has no representative in the House of Commons. | :29:57. | :29:58. | |
And it heads into this election campaign after | :29:59. | :30:00. | |
a turbulent few years - let's remind ourselves. | :30:01. | :30:02. | |
In 2014, Ukip won the European elections, and their momentum | :30:03. | :30:05. | |
continued during the last year of the coalition government, | :30:06. | :30:07. | |
with Conservative MPs Douglas Carswell and Mark Reckless | :30:08. | :30:09. | |
But the 2015 election result was a mixed bag - | :30:10. | :30:16. | |
despite winning almost four million votes, the party | :30:17. | :30:18. | |
Nevertheless, the EU referendum was a high point for the party - | :30:19. | :30:24. | |
the fulfilment of its ultimate goal in politics. | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
Years of tension between senior figures at the top of the party, | :30:30. | :30:32. | |
and several Nigel Farage resignations, culminated in the | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
With a Conservative government committed to Brexit, | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
Ukip have been trying to carve out a role for themselves | :30:42. | :30:44. | |
Mr Nuttall has had a long-standing ambition to supplant | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
And earlier this week the party outlined an "integration agenda", | :30:50. | :30:55. | |
centred around a ban on full-face veils. | :30:56. | :30:58. | |
The party says it will decide at local level whether to stand | :30:59. | :31:02. | |
against long-standing Brexit backers like Kate Hoey. | :31:03. | :31:05. | |
But the polls haven't been particularly inspiring | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
for Mr Nuttall - this week the party has only breached 10% | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
Well, earlier today Paul Nuttall launched his party's campaign | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
Ukip goes into this snap election, determined to hold the Government's | :31:17. | :31:24. | |
We will act as the Government's backbone in these negotiations. | :31:25. | :31:30. | |
if voters elect a Ukip MP, they can be sure it will be a true Brexiteer, | :31:31. | :31:40. | |
someone who has campaigned all their political lives | :31:41. | :31:45. | |
for a free, democratic and independent Britain. | :31:46. | :31:51. | |
And we're joined now by Ukip's Deputy Leader, Peter Whittle. | :31:52. | :31:57. | |
Welcome back. Will you be standing in this election? I will. Where will | :31:58. | :32:09. | |
you stand? I'm not sure yet. Why is there so much prevarication? You are | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
not sure, the leader isn't sure... We have to think quite clearly about | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
where we stand and what we are going to do. Where you might have a chance | :32:19. | :32:24. | |
of actually winning. As you said, we got 4 million votes in the last | :32:25. | :32:29. | |
election. And now you have none. And we were a bit scatter-gun in our | :32:30. | :32:34. | |
approach. We have been organising on the ground much more in the past two | :32:35. | :32:38. | |
years, we have a greater sense of where we are strong and where we are | :32:39. | :32:43. | |
not. So we will be targeting much more in seats where we are strong. | :32:44. | :32:50. | |
So will you be standing in London, do you think? Probably not. Possibly | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
just outside. We are weighing things up and things will come clearer. | :32:56. | :33:01. | |
What about South Thanet? Where Nigel Farage stood? No, I don't think so. | :33:02. | :33:08. | |
We have to be absolutely right about where we are going to go. It seems a | :33:09. | :33:14. | |
bit strange. Hang on. You are standing but you don't know where. | :33:15. | :33:17. | |
Another senior figure isn't standing, Suzanne. Let me finish the | :33:18. | :33:24. | |
question! Nigel Farage isn't standing and we still don't know | :33:25. | :33:27. | |
from Paul Nuttall, who didn't seem to want to talk to journalists at | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
all, it seems like you are scared of the electorate because you just | :33:32. | :33:34. | |
don't have a chance of winning any seats. You are the last people we | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
are scared of! Bless you in the media, you try to put the agenda all | :33:40. | :33:46. | |
the time... That's our job. It will become quite clear. Paul is making | :33:47. | :33:52. | |
an announcement this weekend. Ukip have been at pains to present | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
themselves as more than a party of Brexit, that you have more to offer, | :33:58. | :34:01. | |
and yet you have agreed to stand aside in particular areas as long as | :34:02. | :34:06. | |
another party's candidate, possibly Tories, have a long-standing | :34:07. | :34:11. | |
Brexiteer. Doesn't that show you aren't anything more than Brexit, | :34:12. | :34:15. | |
really? Not at all. First of all, we're going to be standing all over | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
the country. When you talk about seats we are going to be standing | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
aside for, whether Tory or Labour, it comes down to a small amount, but | :34:24. | :34:28. | |
people have maybe been spending their whole lives doing what we've | :34:29. | :34:34. | |
been trying to do, in getting a strong, complete Brexit... But | :34:35. | :34:37. | |
beyond that you don't have much to offer because otherwise you would | :34:38. | :34:42. | |
stand on your own ticket? When we talked about immigration we were a | :34:43. | :34:50. | |
one-issue party. Things kicked off in the media one we talked about the | :34:51. | :34:54. | |
burqa and immigration. We are moving from a position of being purely | :34:55. | :35:01. | |
about Brexit to being a party, so what we said on Monday and what you | :35:02. | :35:07. | |
will see throughout the campaign is we are very strong on all aspects of | :35:08. | :35:11. | |
policy in Britain and not just about the EU, but of course this is, to an | :35:12. | :35:16. | |
extent, the Brexit election, so we have got -- we have to be absolutely | :35:17. | :35:19. | |
certain people will get what they voted for last year. Paul Nuttall | :35:20. | :35:26. | |
said 350 candidates have been elected and the total would be | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
dissimilar from the 620 15. Will it be closer to 350 or 600? Somewhere | :35:32. | :35:38. | |
in the middle. I'd say nearer to the 600 mark. Is that because you don't | :35:39. | :35:44. | |
have the resources or the money? Where will it come from? In terms of | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
our candidates, a lot of this is about the fact that Theresa May | :35:50. | :35:57. | |
cynically announced an election in six or seven weeks, or whatever, | :35:58. | :36:00. | |
quite cynically putting the fortunes of the Tory Party above anything | :36:01. | :36:04. | |
else, which is something we never do, by the way, in Ukip, so we've | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
had to do this quite quickly. But we're fine, we are secure | :36:10. | :36:14. | |
financially, and so we are going to go forward, and I think it will be | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
an exciting campaign. You talked about the domestic policies. Let's | :36:20. | :36:23. | |
talk about one of them, which is the ban on the burqa. Aaron Banks, who | :36:24. | :36:29. | |
was your main donor, said it was like going to war on the Muslim | :36:30. | :36:34. | |
religion. He's wrong. He was also wrong saying this is going to war... | :36:35. | :36:38. | |
This is an integration agenda, first of all. How is it about integration | :36:39. | :36:45. | |
if you are telling women what to wear? The fact is that the full face | :36:46. | :36:54. | |
covering, not the headscarf, is a barrier to integration, it's | :36:55. | :36:57. | |
something that has been banned in France, Belgium, and indeed the | :36:58. | :37:03. | |
biggest party in the European Parliament has just recommended | :37:04. | :37:06. | |
there should be an EU wide ban on it. There is a growing public unease | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
about this and the fact is that also it's a real living symbol of female | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
subjugation, and it's amazing that when it's put forward that this is | :37:16. | :37:20. | |
something which we are telling women what to wear, in many Middle Eastern | :37:21. | :37:24. | |
countries, there have been long-standing campaigns so women are | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
freed from this kind of restriction. In liberal democracies, is it put | :37:30. | :37:35. | |
forward in this way? It wasn't just errant banks. James Carver said he | :37:36. | :37:38. | |
strongly disagreed and said it was misguided. That nobody has the right | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
to dictate what people should wear, and I feel this policy undermines my | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
desire to represent all communities in the West Midlands, the area he | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
has represented. I don't agree with Jim overlap, and the fact is we are | :37:54. | :37:58. | |
not a whipped party. -- with Jim over that. The point is, the full | :37:59. | :38:06. | |
face burqa, and FGM, for that matter, they are not religious | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
practices, they are cultural ones. You say they are not about Muslims | :38:12. | :38:19. | |
but it is all about Muslims. No, FGM is not solely about... But the burqa | :38:20. | :38:25. | |
is? We are actually behind the curve compared to many countries on this. | :38:26. | :38:31. | |
Despite there has been internal opposition to this, Paul Nuttall | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
restated the commitment to the policy of the burqa ban, saying it | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
came from the grassroots. Do you think it is a popular policy among | :38:40. | :38:47. | |
Ukip supporters? Among those supporters or those they want to | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
attract? Both. The major problem is that it was about a cause and a | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
charismatic leader for Ukip previously, and they've lost the | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
cause and a charismatic leader. I don't agree with either of those | :39:02. | :39:08. | |
points. You've lost your charismatic leader, I'm afraid. If you're trying | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
to say Paul Nuttall is the same thing as Nigel Farage. They are | :39:13. | :39:15. | |
sunken in the polls and that's why they are desperately trying to | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
attract attention now. When you say the type of people we are going to | :39:21. | :39:25. | |
attract... They would be interested in voting for you. The ban on the | :39:26. | :39:31. | |
burqa is supported by voters of every single political party, | :39:32. | :39:35. | |
including the Lib Dems, by this country. That's how far this public | :39:36. | :39:41. | |
opinion has moved. What is the support for that? In Ukip it's huge. | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
In the Tory Party it's about 60 something, and then you come down in | :39:47. | :39:49. | |
the 40s to labour, and then much less in the Lib Dems. But the point | :39:50. | :39:55. | |
is it is majorities. Even the Lib Dems are now ahead of you, though. | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
It does look at -- look as though this is the election where Ukip | :40:01. | :40:06. | |
crashes and burns. The Lib Dems are on 10%! We've got six weeks to go. | :40:07. | :40:15. | |
I'm very touched by your face and list of all the things that happened | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
in the last year. What do you think the chances of success for Ukip, | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
though? Put the polls aside for once, but looking realistically, | :40:26. | :40:29. | |
Nigel Farage has gone, as we know Paul Nuttall is the new leader and | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
there has been a huge amount of turbulence. Brexit is happening, and | :40:34. | :40:39. | |
so what is the point? I would dearly love to see one or two Ukip MPs in | :40:40. | :40:45. | |
Parliament, partly to hold Theresa May's feature to the fire, as they | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
say, and partly to talk about issues Conservatives are not addressing at | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
the moment, like social cohesion. Nevertheless, I do regretfully say I | :40:56. | :41:00. | |
don't think Ukip are going to win many if any seats, and I think | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
that's rather sad. Unfortunately a function of fact that Theresa May | :41:05. | :41:09. | |
has nailed her cards to the mast, she is Brexit, it means Brexit, and | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
unfortunately Ukip is still associated, like it or not, with | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
leaving the EU, so the job is done. I don't agree at all. I think you | :41:20. | :41:24. | |
will be surprised. I think the big difference this time is that voters | :41:25. | :41:27. | |
share is one thing, and it probably won't be as high as it was last | :41:28. | :41:32. | |
time, and the fact is, there are no prizes for coming second with first | :41:33. | :41:35. | |
past the post, and we know that this time, so we've been much more | :41:36. | :41:39. | |
focused on a number of seats, so I think you will be surprised... What | :41:40. | :41:43. | |
level do you think you will get in number of seats? Is hard to say. We | :41:44. | :41:50. | |
have the one but I would certainly like us to see... We will be | :41:51. | :41:54. | |
targeting may be around six particular places and I think | :41:55. | :41:57. | |
therefore, you know... We also have a secondary layer. But the reality | :41:58. | :42:06. | |
is that the Ukip vote is going to the Tories. Do you accept that? | :42:07. | :42:10. | |
There is a shift, not only in personnel going to the Tories, but | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
also amongst voters, and that's the story of the first week of the | :42:15. | :42:21. | |
campaign, he says. The personnel who have gone... Basically, you know, | :42:22. | :42:25. | |
they joined us and piggybacked with us for a while and have gone back to | :42:26. | :42:30. | |
where they should always have been. They are not missed at all. What | :42:31. | :42:34. | |
will become clear to people, it's already becoming clear, is that for | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
example, on a big issue like migration, where people do trust and | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
believe we say what we mean, right, there is nothing coming from the | :42:43. | :42:46. | |
Government. That's become quite clear that immigration control and | :42:47. | :42:50. | |
levels have stayed the same for about ten years after we leave. | :42:51. | :42:53. | |
That's going to become clear over the next six weeks. Thank you. | :42:54. | :43:00. | |
Among those MPs choosing to stand down rather than seek re-election | :43:01. | :43:03. | |
According to his local executive council, the majority were set | :43:04. | :43:09. | |
Mr Mackintosh has been criticised for his role in a loan | :43:10. | :43:13. | |
to Northampton Town Football Club, which is now under | :43:14. | :43:15. | |
Mr Mackintosh has denied any wrongdoing. | :43:16. | :43:17. | |
Joining us now from Norwich is the investigations | :43:18. | :43:19. | |
editor for BBC East, Julian Sturdy. | :43:20. | :43:21. | |
Thank you for coming onto the programme. Who is David Mackintosh? | :43:22. | :43:29. | |
He's only been an MP for the last two years with a majority of 1700. | :43:30. | :43:35. | |
He was a prominent supporter of the homelessness reduction Bill and | :43:36. | :43:37. | |
championed the rights of grandparents. He had a question at | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
Prime Minister's Questions last week and was photographed with Jeremy | :43:43. | :43:45. | |
Hunt a couple of days ago, so last week he put out a video saying he | :43:46. | :43:51. | |
intends to stand again. What has changed his mind? Well, he has | :43:52. | :43:55. | |
jumped before he was pushed. He attended a deselection meeting and | :43:56. | :43:59. | |
the majority of that council were going to vote against him, they told | :44:00. | :44:05. | |
us, and at least 60 of those at the meeting were going to vote against | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
him. He could well have gone on the short list but even then his name | :44:10. | :44:14. | |
had become toxic in Northampton. One prominent Tory told me he would | :44:15. | :44:18. | |
resign if his name was on the ballot paper. Explain why he had become so | :44:19. | :44:24. | |
toxic and unpopular on the ballot paper. It goes back to his days of | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
the council leader in Northampton. In the run-up to the election, he | :44:29. | :44:34. | |
oversaw a ?10 million loan to the owners of Northampton football club. | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
It was to redevelop one of the stands. That ground to a halt, the | :44:39. | :44:42. | |
money ran out and now there is a police investigation into where the | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
money went. David Mackintosh says he has done nothing wrong and he will | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
co-operate with the police inquiry, but in order to find he had rushed | :44:51. | :44:56. | |
through the loan and his Cabinet were not given the full information | :44:57. | :45:02. | |
about the risks of that loan. What part has central office played in | :45:03. | :45:07. | |
his decision to quit? They saw off a rebellion by the party back in | :45:08. | :45:11. | |
December, when the party wanted to vote no confidence in him. We were | :45:12. | :45:15. | |
told at the time he would only be a one-time MP. He obviously didn't | :45:16. | :45:19. | |
expect the election to now, but I think in the last local elections on | :45:20. | :45:29. | |
the doorstep is named just wasn't getting popular vote. The brand was | :45:30. | :45:32. | |
being destroyed. It is the local party that has effectively forced | :45:33. | :45:36. | |
him to stand down and they now two weeks to find a replacement. We are | :45:37. | :45:40. | |
told this lunchtime there is a consideration that the former MP, | :45:41. | :45:43. | |
the long serving Brian Binley, might be asked to come back. Thank you. | :45:44. | :45:46. | |
Now, as well as electing local councillors in next | :45:47. | :45:48. | |
month's local elections, in six areas of England | :45:49. | :45:50. | |
they'll also be choosing new kinds of mayor - | :45:51. | :45:53. | |
metro mayors - that don't just represent one city, | :45:54. | :45:55. | |
He's a monkey and Hartlepool's football mascot. | :45:56. | :46:04. | |
Oh, and 15 years ago, people here voted for him | :46:05. | :46:06. | |
But ten years later, they dumped him. | :46:07. | :46:13. | |
They had a referendum and decided to get rid of the whole idea | :46:14. | :46:16. | |
But now people here in Hartlepool will soon be getting | :46:17. | :46:21. | |
one of the country's first regional mayors. | :46:22. | :46:24. | |
That's because Hartlepool, together with five other councils, | :46:25. | :46:28. | |
have joined forces to create the Tees Valley Combined Authority. | :46:29. | :46:33. | |
Well, the Government's told them that if they work together | :46:34. | :46:38. | |
and have an elected mayor to lead on things like housing | :46:39. | :46:41. | |
and transport, then they'll get more cash and power | :46:42. | :46:43. | |
But do people here want a regional mayor? | :46:44. | :46:49. | |
There's a lot of money that could be put to better uses, I think, | :46:50. | :46:54. | |
Are we doing it to satisfy Westminster? | :46:55. | :47:00. | |
We could maybe use the money in better ways. | :47:01. | :47:02. | |
I'll vote anything that'll be good for the town. | :47:03. | :47:07. | |
I think a lot of the decisions will go with Middlesbrough, | :47:08. | :47:09. | |
you know, and I think it'll affect Hartlepool in a negative | :47:10. | :47:12. | |
The idea is that these new metro mayors will bring growth to flagging | :47:13. | :47:29. | |
economies and get people more involved in local government. | :47:30. | :47:31. | |
But some academics argue there's a lot of hype and hope | :47:32. | :47:34. | |
Some of these mayors will be looking at areas about how we connect | :47:35. | :47:57. | |
transport to new housing and looking at jobs. That is not currently | :47:58. | :47:59. | |
happening in our cities. Some mayors preside over strongly | :48:00. | :48:02. | |
performing economies, other mayors preside over | :48:03. | :48:03. | |
weakly performing economies. It's very difficult | :48:04. | :48:05. | |
to establish a relationship. do high-profile mayors | :48:06. | :48:11. | |
contribute to increased Again, very little evidence | :48:12. | :48:16. | |
of that around the world. On the contrary, actually, | :48:17. | :48:19. | |
declining turnout seemed to be Despite the high-profile campaign | :48:20. | :48:21. | |
of H'Angus the Monkey in Hartlepool, only a third of the electorate | :48:22. | :48:26. | |
bothered to vote. If turnout is also low | :48:27. | :48:28. | |
for the metro mayor elections, it could leave whoever wins the job | :48:29. | :48:30. | |
facing questions And we're joined now | :48:31. | :48:33. | |
by Dr Jo Casebourne Will they prove any more popular | :48:34. | :48:51. | |
than the city mayors did? These ones are a very different thing. Unlike | :48:52. | :48:58. | |
being an air for a single local authority and not having very much | :48:59. | :49:01. | |
power which is why people voted not to have won previously, these people | :49:02. | :49:05. | |
will have more power and will be visible local leaders and will be | :49:06. | :49:09. | |
accountable and people will know who they are. Is there evidence that | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
people are willing for this to happen? When people are asked if | :49:14. | :49:18. | |
they want more local government they tend to say no. When people think | :49:19. | :49:23. | |
there is an additional layer of government being imposed on them, | :49:24. | :49:26. | |
they are not keen. The very few people in London would not want one | :49:27. | :49:30. | |
because they have seen positive changes in terms of their lives and | :49:31. | :49:34. | |
transport. You see the kind of sustainability of mayors over time | :49:35. | :49:38. | |
as they get more power and deliver more for local people. Do you think | :49:39. | :49:43. | |
people understand the concept of Metro mayors and do they understand | :49:44. | :49:48. | |
the costs? I think that has been less engagement with the public this | :49:49. | :49:51. | |
time than we might have hoped. The fact that we will have a general | :49:52. | :49:55. | |
election so soon after the mayoral elections means there will be less | :49:56. | :49:58. | |
turn out that we would have liked. But once people see things people | :49:59. | :50:03. | |
have been campaigning about, these are issues which really impact | :50:04. | :50:08. | |
people and impact people's lives. Do they convince you? Will be be a good | :50:09. | :50:16. | |
thing? I do not think they will but I am very enthusiastic about it. I | :50:17. | :50:19. | |
was in Birmingham on Wednesday night for the times where we were chairing | :50:20. | :50:25. | |
an event with the two main campaigners for now. One was the | :50:26. | :50:31. | |
previous chief executive of John Lewis. He says he has the power to | :50:32. | :50:36. | |
bring together 22 local councils and will bring transport, council and | :50:37. | :50:39. | |
investment and be a face for that area. It is a pretty depressed area. | :50:40. | :50:45. | |
Both he and the Labour candidate are making the very powerful case that | :50:46. | :50:48. | |
there needs to be something to galvanise that region because the | :50:49. | :50:52. | |
existing system has not worked. If they can go and be ambassadors and | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
spokesmen and coordinators and cheerleaders for the region, then | :50:58. | :51:00. | |
perhaps something will begin to happen. If we say the existing | :51:01. | :51:06. | |
system is fine, it is not working for the country outside London. | :51:07. | :51:10. | |
There will not be much of an infrastructure. It will be more | :51:11. | :51:14. | |
about the powers of bringing people together and working out strategies | :51:15. | :51:18. | |
which suit everybody and not one little council area. This will be | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
proper devolution, not just politicians and central government | :51:23. | :51:25. | |
saying it is great and then they will give the powers that people | :51:26. | :51:30. | |
need? I would love to know how they will have this new powerful sub | :51:31. | :51:38. | |
government. I am pleased we are attracting candidates of the calibre | :51:39. | :51:41. | |
of the guy from John Lewis. I was going to say the problem with local | :51:42. | :51:45. | |
government is the people they tend to attract an low grade. But if you | :51:46. | :51:52. | |
have real power then you will attract more people. They have money | :51:53. | :51:58. | |
which is given to them to spend locally. The infrastructure will not | :51:59. | :52:04. | |
be very expensive and that is what people worry about. Absolutely. We | :52:05. | :52:09. | |
will see they are big powerful political figures by the calibre of | :52:10. | :52:14. | |
the candidates. Have careered trajectories in politics are about | :52:15. | :52:19. | |
to get more interesting -- perhaps career trajectories are about get | :52:20. | :52:27. | |
more interesting. What areas will they have impact? Greater Manchester | :52:28. | :52:30. | |
has been doing this and they will be able to work with health and social | :52:31. | :52:34. | |
care locally to try and bring systems together. I think people | :52:35. | :52:37. | |
will be watching Greater Manchester to see what happens and no doubt | :52:38. | :52:41. | |
more powers will be devolved over time. Police and Crime Commissioners | :52:42. | :52:48. | |
have not turned out to be popular. In some cases they have been rolled | :52:49. | :52:52. | |
into the mayor's new powers so some will be taking over the role of | :52:53. | :52:57. | |
Police and Crime Commissioner. Dr Jo Casebourne, thank you. | :52:58. | :53:00. | |
Well, it's been a busy week on the campaign trail, | :53:01. | :53:02. | |
so here's Ellie with the definitive campaign week in 60 seconds. | :53:03. | :53:05. | |
In this first full week of campaigning, Jeremy Corbyn wasn't | :53:06. | :53:07. | |
turning his back on core voters, making promises on housing, | :53:08. | :53:10. | |
Tony Blair still thinks Labour's heading in the wrong direction | :53:11. | :53:15. | |
Meanwhile, she's been promising strong and stable leadership | :53:16. | :53:21. | |
over and over again, which may be why it was the longest | :53:22. | :53:24. | |
Boris Johnson went off that script and call Jeremy Corbyn a... | :53:25. | :53:28. | |
..Herbivore muddleheaded Mugwump, or whatever. | :53:29. | :53:32. | |
And no-one knew what he was talking about, not least his sister, | :53:33. | :53:35. | |
who announced she's joining the Lib Dems. | :53:36. | :53:37. | |
A boost for Tim Farron, who had to sack one of his candidates | :53:38. | :53:40. | |
And then he earned his own hashtag "smell my spaniel" | :53:41. | :53:45. | |
Can you smell my spaniel, maybe, maybe? | :53:46. | :53:48. | |
Elsewhere, the Ukip leader denied he thought he was a bit like Gandhi | :53:49. | :53:51. | |
and insisted beekeepers would be exempt from their proposed | :53:52. | :53:54. | |
ban on wearing of face coverings in public. | :53:55. | :53:56. | |
And in Scotland, the party leaders have agreed to a leadership debate, | :53:57. | :54:02. | |
and Nicola Sturgeon road a motorbike. | :54:03. | :54:11. | |
It's time to find out the answer to our quiz. | :54:12. | :54:21. | |
Yesterday we heard that the Queen will dress down for the State | :54:22. | :54:24. | |
Opening of Parliament after the general election. | :54:25. | :54:25. | |
So the question for today is, when was the last time she did so? | :54:26. | :54:29. | |
So, James and Jenni, what's the correct answer? | :54:30. | :54:39. | |
Do you know, I think I was given the answer and I have forgotten it. You | :54:40. | :54:49. | |
cannot have forgotten it! Is it 1959? No, Jenni have another go. I'm | :54:50. | :54:55. | |
going to have a wild guess it was 1974 when they had two elections | :54:56. | :54:59. | |
given that they could not be bothered to put their grand things | :55:00. | :55:02. | |
on twice a year. That is correct. And we are joined by the BBC's royal | :55:03. | :55:05. | |
correspondent Peter Hunt. Before we get to the 1974 election | :55:06. | :55:12. | |
and the dressing down, what does it mean to dress down for the Queen? | :55:13. | :55:17. | |
When you get to the Royals this is all rather relative. I have heard on | :55:18. | :55:23. | |
social media there were suggestions of a regal onesie. We are moving | :55:24. | :55:30. | |
from the royal fling we are used to which is a full evening dress, the | :55:31. | :55:35. | |
long gloves and when she gets to the house of parliament the rapist put | :55:36. | :55:40. | |
on and the Imperial State Crown. Very heavy -- the MP real road -- | :55:41. | :55:51. | |
the Imperial robe is that on. What we get is the day dress. A1 is the | :55:52. | :55:59. | |
is what people wear now. That may be your day dress. All these | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
suggestions are being taken on board at Buckingham Palace. Day dress plus | :56:04. | :56:10. | |
hat and handbag. That is important, the handbag. Why is it dressed down? | :56:11. | :56:15. | |
The timings they say. There is the Trooping the Colour, the Queen's | :56:16. | :56:19. | |
official birthday on the Saturday before, this happens on the Monday | :56:20. | :56:23. | |
and they do not have time to rehearse. But they have done it so | :56:24. | :56:30. | |
often. But it takes so much preparation. Take us back to the | :56:31. | :56:34. | |
last time there was a dressing down. This is where we put it in context. | :56:35. | :56:40. | |
You see this footage that she is in day dress as you both correctly | :56:41. | :56:44. | |
identified. She is being driven, she's going by motorcar and not the | :56:45. | :56:50. | |
carriage. You would normally see the State coach with horses, the | :56:51. | :56:56. | |
Household Cavalry, soldiers and a full military escort. All that went | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
in 1974 and that will go this year. That is because there is not enough | :57:00. | :57:05. | |
time to preparing to rehearse. Does it save money? You should have | :57:06. | :57:09. | |
someone from the government here and not me! Saving money, that is a | :57:10. | :57:16. | |
traditional lefty position. I was just wondering whether it was the | :57:17. | :57:27. | |
case in this time of austerity. And in 1974 was it also a snap election? | :57:28. | :57:32. | |
Yes, and when the election was called the Queen was in Australia. | :57:33. | :57:35. | |
She came back, dealt with it and then went back for her tour. How | :57:36. | :57:41. | |
much time does the Royal household need? Is their extensive rehearsal, | :57:42. | :57:47. | |
even if you have done it numerous times... The key thing to be | :57:48. | :57:50. | |
rehearsed is not necessarily a woman who is 91 and has done it since | :57:51. | :57:59. | |
1952, it is the Household Cavalry, the horses and carriages in place. | :58:00. | :58:04. | |
This has been rearranged for a Monday which means the order of the | :58:05. | :58:09. | |
Garter has gone. That has been cancelled? Andrew Neil of this | :58:10. | :58:15. | |
parish I have seen is a future member of the Garter. Does it matter | :58:16. | :58:19. | |
that she is dressing down? Will anybody mind? We would not even have | :58:20. | :58:27. | |
noticed. She looks like the Queen still in that footage. That is | :58:28. | :58:33. | |
footage from 1974. Do you think it matters, Jenni? I hate to challenge | :58:34. | :58:38. | |
James' preconceptions, but I happen to like the ritual. We have nothing | :58:39. | :58:44. | |
left in these Brexit days apart from to say look at our Queen and | :58:45. | :58:48. | |
ridiculous outfits. People like it. Thank you for coming in in your day | :58:49. | :58:50. | |
dress. There'll be a couple of hours of | :58:51. | :58:51. | |
just fantastic music, really, all the Ella classics, as well as | :58:52. | :59:07. | |
some very special guests, | :59:08. | :59:11. |