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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.


Labour say they will hire 10,000 extra police officers


paid for by reversing cuts in capital gains tax.


But why didn't the Shadow Home Secretary


It was the dinner date from hell according to EU sources,


but should we really believe the account of a spurned lover?


It was 20 years ago today that Tony Blair marched down Downing Street


But what's the legacy of Labour's most electorally successful leader?


And an installation artist has been commissioned


What will Cornelia Parker make of the contest?


And with us for the whole programme today is someone who thinks politics


is more of a science than an art, political scientist, Philip Cowley.


First this morning, Labour have said they will create 10,000 more police


officers in England and Wales if they win the general election -


and they'll pay for the policy by reversing cuts to Capital Gains Tax.


But there's some confusion about how much it will cost.


In a radio interview earlier this morning


Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott said the sum was only ?300,000.


But that would only amount to ?30 per police officer.


She then corrected herself and said the figure was ?80 million.


In a further clarification, Labour said it would in fact cost


In the past couple of hours, Jeremy Corbyn was asked about that figure.


And Diane Abbott's interview. She directed the figure. -- corrected.


And it will be paid for by not going ahead with the cuts


REPORTER: Is it a bit embarrassing your Shadow Home Secretary


Trying to get voters to put their trust in you in this election?


It will be absolutely clear now, today and in the manifesto.


I'm not embarrassed in the slightest.


That was Jeremy Corbin, the Labour leader.


I'm happy to say Diane Abbott is with me now. It is embarrassing? It


is embarrassing that you don't know your figures on a key policy. I do


know the figures, and I did seven interviews that morning and that was


the seventh. I do know my figures. You did not know them in that


interview. It was with LBC. We can have a listen. How much were 10,000


police officers cost? -- would. If we recruit 10,000 policemen and


women over a four-year period, we believe it will be about ?300,000


will stop ?300,000? What are you paying them? ! Sorry. How much will


they cost? They will cost... It will cost... About ?80 million. About ?80


million? Yes. That is hugely embarrassing. Not just misspeaking,


you just don't know your figures and you are not on top of your brief. If


I didn't know my figures why was I able to do six other interviews and


give the figures correctly. You need to ask why the Conservative Party is


so anxious to move the debate away from the 20,000 police officers. We


will come onto that. But back to the interview, never mind that you did


six interviews, this is an election campaign and, front benches and


government ministers are expected to do many interviews and this was a


major policy announcement. You want to make this a cornerstone of your


manifesto. You didn't know the figures. I did know my figures. Why


didn't you say then? I misspoke. If I didn't know them I wouldn't have


been able to repeat them correctly in six other interviews. Which other


interviews did you correct them? In one other I heard you said it was


all going to be in the manifesto. I did six other interviews. You


decided to talk about the figures and they are basic figures.


?300,000, which would have meant 30 pounds per police officer, that is


embarrassing. Did you not know them at all and you were guessing when


you were asked about it on air? I knew the figures. I repeated there


many times. I have not heard you repeat there many times. You don't


want to talk about policing, I'm concerned about that, which is


something the public is concerned about, anyone to go over and over


the Nick Ferrari interview. That issue of fault, Diane Abbott. We


were prepared to talk about the issue of policing and the claims you


are making that the police force has been underfunded anyone to recruit


more officers, but by going on air in a major interview where you just


completely fluffed the figures, whether you knew them or not, that


does not do your cause any good. The public will understand that you are


not willing to talk about the real issues, and the real issues are that


we have lost 20,000 police officers since 2010 and we are seeing a rise


in fired on crime. You want to be Home Secretary. Yellow macro --


violent crime. I dispute that you did know those figures, and how can


you claim that you want to be Home Secretary in charge of the police


forces of England and Wales question not have you instilled confidence --


England and Wales? People that listened to any of the interviews I


gave this morning with the exception of the LBC interview will know that


I do know the figures and I wish you were prepared to talk about


policing. We are going to talk about that. We have a Conservative on the


programme, but people will be worried that you are not across what


you should be in terms of this brief that you came on the airwaves to


announce as a key part of your holiday. Is it important to attach


the right figures to major spending commitments? Of course, and that is


why I did that in six interviews out of seven. It is also important that


this programme is prepared to talk to the Labour spokesperson about


policing because people deserve to know what the Labour Party is trying


to do. You are trying to reverse the cuts to capital gains tax, so what


level will it be under Labour? We are going to reverse the cuts in


capital gains tax in order to fund... But what level will it be?


Just let me say what it is important to have 10,000 more police meant


because we have lost 20,000 under Theresa May -- more policemen. We


have seen a rise in violent crime and we have some of the lowest rates


of capital gains tax in Europe. What will they be under Labour? What will


the two levels of capital gains tax be? We will bring them back to where


they were. What are those levels? It will save us nearly ?2.7 billion and


that is what we are going to use, to pay for the 10,000 policemen and


other areas of our manifesto, and in case you say that none of it is


costed, we will produce a manifesto which is costed and is paid for and


we hope as the campaign progresses that people like yourself will be


more willing to talk about the issues. We will, but voters want to


know that they can trust you with the figures and the finances. One


more time, because I think you donor what the levels of capital gains tax


would be if you reverse them -- I think you don't know. It is not the


figure we have put out, that is the figure in the government's on Red


but, if we reverse the cuts that the government has announced, that we


will raise at least ?2.7 billion -- Redbook. We believe we can put that


money to better use than on tax cuts for the top 5%. Dominic, we can have


a look at the substance of the issue, there have been cuts, and


last month the leader of policing said said it is in a perilous state,


the issue of policing, and that is a real message for the Conservatives


to take into the election after being in power for seven years. Our


message is that if you are at the crime survey for England and Wales,


violent crime is down by 22%. Not accorded to the macro -- according


to police recordings. It is also true to say, on the crime survey,


there has been an uptake against the person although the ONS said that is


not statistically important, but you will not get more investment in the


NHS and policing unless you have got a strong handle on the economy and


just look at the shambles of Diane Abbott this morning. Imagine if that


was regarding the economy as a whole. We have discussed that as a


whole. We are going to look at a further cut to policing under the


Conservative government? There will be any further cuts? I was asked to


talk about Brexit, but I'm happy to talk about crime. At the moment we


are happy to talk about our record. There have been difficult decisions


when it comes to the police budget. It has dropped by 22%. The public


concern that it -- the public care most about crime and that has


dropped. They said there was also an increase, and you will know that


Biden crime, and knife crime is what frightens the public -- violent


crime. You can't answer the basic figures, how you going to pay for


this and how many police you are going to put on the street. You


can't answer questions about your record in losing police officers.


Violent crime is down by 22%. The independent watchdog says what is


happening is an unconscious form of rationing. If you want to be


measured on your record, according to the watchdog that record is not


very good. You can take a selective quote. It is not a selective quote.


What I'm going to point to, since 2010, seven years, what has happened


to crime and violent crime, which is the attack Labour are going on, it


is down, and the public know it. No one seems the thinks Diane Abbott is


going to be a strong custodian of law and order. Do you accept... I


think Joe is asking the questions. Knife crime has gone up in the


Metropolitan Police area. I don't have the geographical figures.


England and Wales, violent crime down by 22% since 2010, and there


has been an increase recently, but even the ONS said it is


significantly insignificant, and we will run on our record, you have


nothing credible to say on this issue and no one trusts you on this


issue because you cannot get the basic facts right. There was a press


release which was put out by Labour which mentioned the 300 mil in


pounds figure. -- ?300 million figure. You did not use that in your


interview and that reduces your credibility and allows opponents to


attack you in the way that Dominic is. It reduces the media credibility


because they are not prepared to talk about. You can blame the media,


but it doesn't help your cause if you give ammunition to your


opponents. What does it do to Labour campaigners when they are having to


fight fires unnecessary fires on a key cornerstone? What people want to


know is what the government is going to do about the rise in violent


crime and gun crime in areas like London and this is what we are not


hearing. The ONS says the uptake in violent crime is small, but they say


that this is a warning on what is to come. In London there has been an


increase. The Metropolitan Police Commissioner says she is worried


about that, you saying that has nothing to do with police cuts?


Across the board, what voters worry about is not what we put in in terms


of either money or in terms of numbers of police officers and


PlayStation is, they care about the end product -- and police stations.


But we are not complacent. If you look at the changes we have made on


stop and search and also sentences for knife possession, we will


continue to be vigilant and have zero tolerance on those most serious


levels of crime for the what we are not going to do is take one isolated


statistic for one isolated area and not defend our record. Which is


strong. The ONS says even after taking better reported into account,


homicides and knife crimes are showing small but genuine increases.


People may ask if cuts are going to continue under a Tory government if


you win the election, those figures are only going to increase. What the


country understands is we have to look at our code according to our


cloth and you can't rely on the Labour Party for that -- we have to


cut our code according to our cloth. You have got to trust the strong


leadership and only the Tories are giving this to you. Looking at this


issue. I remember Tony Blair. Tough on the causes of crime. Could this


become a bigger issue? The exchange has become symbolic of the exchange


so far and the election so far, Labour have put out a policy which


they have done nearly every day, and a policy which does very well when


you poll about individual policies. The attack then comes not be policy


detail but on whether Labour can deliver and that is basically what


we are going to see every week for the rest of the election. If there


is an import to Diane's interview this morning, that is it, because it


speaks to confidence which is the attack line that the Conservatives


are pushing. In this exchange it is policy detail against competence.


And that is what we will see for the next 5-6 weeks. Thanks for joining


us. Now, when European Commission


President, Jean Claude Juncker, met Theresa May at Downing Street


last week, the European Commission described


the meeting as "constructive." But an alternative account of the


meeting appeared in a German In it, an EU source was quoted


as describing Theresa May as being "in a different galaxy"


and that Mr Juncker as "ten times more sceptical" about the prospects


for a deal on leaving the meeting. Our political correspondent, Vicki


Young is with the Prime Minister in the west country this afternoon


and joins us now from St Austell. Give us the account from Downing


Street of the meeting. They say they will not get involved in any kind of


war and they do not recognise what has been said. What is interesting


is that they will have to get used to the idea of what we have seen


since the EU left the vote last year, that Theresa May has not been


able to dictate what is going on. She was still able to do that


through the House of Commons, but now those negotiations are under way


there will be two sides to the story. They will not be very pleased


that this version has been leaked out by whoever did that, and they


will continue to approach this in a very constructive manner and have to


be careful with their words as they go into this, saying they want


Brexit to be good is no reason they shouldn't be that that is the


challenge from the other side. A beautiful backdrop there, Vicky, in


Saint or stall, why is the prime Minster there? No coincidence she


has come here, because this used to be the Liberal Democrat heartlands,


but in the last election they were walked in washed away in a blue tide


with the Conservatives taking every seat, and Theresa May is here to


make sure there is no chance of a Liberal Democrat comeback. And it's


a pattern we have seen already, coming to areas where there has been


a vote in favour of Brexit, and a sizeable Ukip vote, and the


Conservatives are confident they can attract some of those people who


would look towards Theresa May is the person to deliver Brexit. But it


will be interesting to see how the kind of stories we have been hearing


about, the difficulties she could face and the negotiations to come,


how that will go down and it would help her in some ways. The


Conservatives hope that people will look and say the negotiations will


be tough and she has promised to deliver for Britain and in areas


like this which voted to leave, they might look at her and see that as a


vote winner. There is no sizeable Labour vote in these areas, so she


is seen as someone in contest with the Liberal Democrats. They say even


though they are a pro-EU party, they say in local elections, even in


areas that voted to leave they have done well, but I think the Tories


feel pretty confident they will be able to hold onto many of the seats


in the South West. And joining us now from Brussels


is the Irish MEP and Vice President of the European


Parliament, Mairead McGuinness. So, the gloves are off, EU officials


are briefing against the UK in the European press. Is this the way the


negotiations should be conducted? That is a tabloid version of


probably what is going to have to happen over the next couple of


weeks, which is that both sides have set out their negotiating


priorities, the parliament, the council and the commission are clear


and the United Kingdom is in the middle of an election campaign, so


we will have to wait for some time until we see absolute clarity from


the UK side. But I think both parties in the negotiations know


that they have to reach agreement on a number of issues, that we have a


certain amount of time in which to do that, and that we do have to get


on with it. My own view is that the renegotiations cannot start until


July, or maybe after August, so that would tighten the time frame, but in


a sense preparatory work is what is really important so the council


meeting at the weekend is crucial because of the clarity it has


delivered on citizens rights and budgetary issues and on the issue of


Ireland. And also from the Parliamentary side. Your voice is


quite low in my earpiece. I will shout as loud as I can


without it being embarrassing in the studio. You said this was tabloid


gossip. There was an article in a German newspaper, a broadsheet


newspaper in Germany, do you think this sort of tone that those sorts


of comments that were briefed to the newspaper is the way the


negotiations should be conducted by the EU? Clearly there were a number


of people at this famous dinner. What hasn't been discussed is the


food. The words were discussed. What has emerged is apparently, I wasn't


at the dinner, I can only reflect in what I read in the English version


of the article. There was a sense in which they sat down together,


president Juncker and Prime Minister May, there was perhaps not a meeting


of minds on the issues. There may be a view from one side there's no


understanding. Beyond that, this will play out over a number of days,


maybe weeks, because there is an election campaign, there is a


reality at all levels in the Parliament, commission and council


and on the UK side as well, when the negotiations start we'll have to


leave that outside of the room and deal with issues that matter to


people. It is about a question of border in Northern Ireland, we will


not allow that to happen again. It is budget and citizen's rights.


Dominic, if these reports are right, they sounded pretty comprehensive,


the Prime Minister, according to the briefings is either being poorly


briefed herself on the negotiations or is hopelessly naive. Which is it?


Neither, they are not credible, those reports. We can expect, on all


sides to get tittle tattle which makes it into the media. Mairead


McGuinnessaged I will stay resolute. Theresa May won't be pushed around.


Equally, be constructive, sober and positive guying forward. ? No


contrast to the media tittle tattle, the EU finalised their guidelines.


We probably agree on two thirds of issues. We will have two years on


the final third. Lots of gaps still a bridge. If you are going to have


tough moments in negotiation, who do you trust to lead us through it? I


would say Theresa May has a firm hand on negotiations. That's your


line. If you're looking at the terms and tone of the negotiation, even


Mairead McGuinness said there wasn't a meeting of mints... It is the


start of the negotiations. I accept. That but Theresa May saying we want


to makes Brexit a success and asking clawed Juncker to say the same,


that's naive. He needs to make it look less attractive to leave the EU


than it is to remain part of the EU. Isn't that a naive thing to say in


respect of the EU partners? It would be politically count he prods Octive


for the EU. Jean-Claude Juncker isn't the only voice in this. I was


reading the speeches in February mar raid McGuinness made. The Irish will


not wanted trade barriers to go up. It would be damaging to the UK


agricultural market. Let's not focus on loose, loose. If the negotiations


continue down the lines of Theresa May being on another galaxy and, as


you say, there wasn't a meeting of minds when they met then, but


actually t will end up with economic mass seism come on the side of the


EU if they make it difficult for the UK? Theresa May is in an election


campaign. The EU of the 27 are on a campaign where they're united to


deal with Brexit. What's clear in this Parliament is people have got


over the shock and disappointment and and are pragmatic setting out


what the issues are. I hope we can reach a good agreement. It requires


us all to stand back and look at the issues. There has to be some


progress on the withdrawal agreement. I believe we'll need a


transition period. We want to have a good trading relationship. There's


no doubt the situation, after Brexit, cannot be the same as today.


That's where there are some difficult negotiations ahead. First


of all, for people to recognise that. To some extent, the reporting


of that particular dinner may do no harm that there were different views


coming. Perhaps there was no meeting of minds. It may focus minds after


the election campaign about what can be achieved and how. Really, I


always say if we put people first, then I think we can work towards


solutions that are good for the European Union. And that perhaps


don't harm the UK. After all, you've made the decision. We've to deal


with the consequences of it. We don't want to see the EU of 27


disunited. From an Irish point of view, we know well our issues will


only be defended and won by the EU 27 sticking together. When you look


at Ireland's position, whose side would you say you're on, mar raid


McGuinness? Is it your biggest trading partner which you share a


land border or Jean-Claude Juninger and the 27? Are you saying whose


side are you on? The sound is really bad. Are you on the UK's bigger


trading partner? I'll cut across you. I hard. Good. In terms of


sides, I've said this to minister David Davis, the Republic of


Ireland, we're part of the European Union of 27. Our Taoiseach has made


that clear. We sit on that side of the table and negotiate with the UK.


We have a long history with the UK. We are neighbours, traders, as you


are with us. We both value that relationship and want to make sure


it is not deeply damaged. Or food sector, farmers would be really


badly affected. When it comes to sides, you have to understand there


are two sides. We're firmly with the EU 27. It allows us to understand


fully the issues which affect both of us. If you want absolute clarity,


the EU 27. Mar raid said there has to be some progress made on the


withdrawal, the divorce bill. Without some sort of progress made,


they're not going to talk about an EU trade deal. Do you accept that


now? It has to be done 234 stages? I certainly welcome the fact the EU


position has shifted. We need to tie up all the details of the exit deal


before moving on. I'm fine with that. The think the Government is


too. We need to work out the principles which will inform the


exit agreement. Whether on financial liabilities and as sets we would be


entitled to, be also EU nationals. We need to make rowing rest on the


future agreement. There will be no deal until we agree the whole deal.


The fundamental principle of the way the EU goes about its diplomacy.


When you listen to what Government ministers said so far, the snap


election being called. Theresa May said she wanted to strengthen her


hand because of the opposition. Amber Rudd implied and suggested it


was about being given a mandate to be more flexible. You're pleased EU


has moved, you say. Are you going to move and would be support the


Government moving too in these negotiations? I think any


negotiation, you need a leader, set of principles, objectives. We've got


that. There will come a moment when in order to get that win/win deal,


there will be need to be flexibility. I think, not just


because we've a strength in mandate after from the British people after


this election, but not having the transitional arrangement by an


election. That will be useful. It was interesting to see the CBI and


British Chamber of Commerce agreeing with that. Business feels more


confident about that. In terms of elections, mayor raid, German


elections, not just Theresa May having elections here when


discussing these negotiations. If Northern Ireland decided to hold a


border pole, is it your understanding a united Ireland would


have automatic membership? This was expressed on Saturday. What the Good


Friday Agreement outlines so that in the eventual time if it occurred a


referendum of the people decided they wanted a united Ireland, that


new entity would be if you can members of the European Union. This


was important that be depth with now and is on the table. From our side,


I represent a border constituency with Northern Ireland, I travel


through Northern Ireland to get to my constituents in Donegal. It is


important the EU 27 understand the Irish questions. The point they may


all the time is peace is so important. It is as important as mix


and % much more important. On the staging of the negotiations, we need


goodwill for real progress to be made. I think after election


campaigns, when we look at the timeline ahead, goodwill will be


found hopefully on both sides. Philip, what do you make of the


reporting of this meeting? You use the word divorce, and anyone


who is in a divorce this is to one side of the marriage, and they get a


false picture, and is some scepticism is required. I'm


interested in the politics of this, some of the people discussing the


report implied it will do Theresa May damage, but I thought it would


have the opposite. She will be able to present herself as standing up


for British interests against Europeans who are snooty and aloof


and looking down on Britain and willing to do us harm and that will


do the Conservative message no harm at all in this election. There are


many people that do not regard the EU institutions as doing a good


thing. That is how she will present it and I think that is how it will


go down with most voters. Thanks. So, it was 20 years ago today that


Tony Blair walked triumphant down Downing Street to the


delight of adoring crowds - all Labour party


activists, of course. It was the first of three general


election wins for the Labour Party. Tony Blair remains the most


successful leader of the Labour Party to date.


If you'd said to me at 18, 19, you're going to be a politician, I


# May be, you're never gonna feel this way


# You're never gonna know me but I know you


# And I can't see the woods from the trees...#


Piccadilly Circus flashing on the screen there.


# Can only get better now I've found you...#


It has been an immense privilege to serve as the Prime Minister


of the United Kingdom over the last six and a half years.


Two of the new Conservative intake of MPs, Andrew


Lansley for Cambridgeshire South and Theresa May, the new member of


# I look at things now in a different light than I did before


# Can only get better now I've found you


# Can only get better now I've found you #.


We're joined now by the Guardian commentator, Paul Mason, who's


a critic of Tony Blair and former Labour strategist, who's a big fan.


Welcome to both of you. A bit of a stature for you. Were you a Labour


man in 1997, Paul Mason? I was a Labour man, and if Jeremy Corbyn


gets in on the 9th of June it will be a different set of people


welcoming him. I was there the next morning, at work, on a business


magazine, where people work voting Labour, the rank and file, and the


leaders were Tories, but some of them said they had flipped, they


couldn't vote Tory and that was the nature of Tony Blair's achievement.


The coalition then was too broad? No, it is the one that Tony Blair


built in power with people whose wealth is not owned basically and


with the City, basically. The bigger stake of Blair and Brown -- the big


mistake. They just got too close to people with money. Do you agree? I


agree with part of that. The biggest failure I think of the Labour


government under Blair and Brown was that we drifted too far from the


unions and that movement. The TUC and the unions needed modernising.


If we had invested more time in the union movement and modernising it, I


think that was a mistake, and we are paying the price now. Jeremy Corbyn


was put into power, and Ed Miliband before him, by failing unions. It


should be stronger and more representative than it is. Tony


Blair should have been bolder? Those five pledges were too modest? You


should always under promise and over perform and in his actions you can't


fault him in terms of... Tax credits, a fire hose playing on


rising inequality, the things he achieved which people thought were


possible, the Buddha Steve reflected the modesty of what people thought


government could do -- the modesty reflected the modesty of what people


thought government could do. He was bowled. People criticise him for his


foreign policy issues. Regarding domestic successes, the minimum wage


and building new hospitals and schools, devolving power, do you


concede that they did have a long list of achievements? I celebrated.


There was a debate within New Labour, overtop Dan Flavin is and


bottom-up, community politics -- over top down Fabian is. Millions of


working class voters are moving away from Labour because they don't think


they are being empowered by. I would argue for top I don't agree with


that analysis. That forgets John Prescott's red achievement. He


brought in the decent homes programme. 2 million homes


modernised and he also brought in Brownfield development, the city


revolution. If you go to major cities they are a great success


because of the work of Tony Blair and John Prescott. If it were such a


great success at every level, why is there so much hatred of Tony Blair?


In my view, sometimes you can win too much, the Tory party have taken


a long time to recover from Margaret Thatcher's great victories. She won


so much, they ran from her 20 years, and the same thing is happening in


the Labour Party. Tony won too much and that spokespeople. Do you agree?


-- spooks people for top I agree with some of that, and they were


desperate to get over the betrayal myth which has hampered Labour, the


problem was, the majority was so great, that why are you doing these


modest wings. I spoke to one Labour MP and he said he got his first


betrayal that one week after being elected. The problems with Iraq in


2003, but the left was already fairly bitter about Labour, before


that, you can find complaints that Labour was selling out and they were


achieving the change that had been promised. They did achieve the


change that they promised, but because of the majority people had


this perception that Britain was going to change overnight. They did


not expect that big a landslide and they could have reformed things in a


more meaningful way but they had not planned for it and they did not want


to make a mistake. The left of the Labour Party have unfairly


criticised them for that. The left is not obsessed with the


underachievement aspect. Foreign policy? It is Iraq. Number one. And


then the lead up to the catastrophe of 2008. It was not just that they


overregulated. Under regulated is the claim. Tony Blair was attacking


the FSA on being too hard on the City, but if you do that and the


economy explodes, no wonder that the people who pay the price say, never


again you are going to do that. What about the open-door policy on


Eastern European immigration for top one Tony Blair's greatest single


achievements. The people who joined the European Union had the right to


live in Britain. What about transition arrangements? We had jobs


vacant and we needed people to come here. The second thing, cementing


the accession countries into the European Union was a way of


strengthening our geopolitical position. We wanted those European


partners. I disagree with that. My disagreement is stronger with


hindsight. He opened the door, first of all, they did not prepare people.


They said not many will come, but millions came. And then they kept


denying that there was going to be any impact on people's wages and


conditions and the concept of citizenship, this is an abstract


contract, we don't care that your grandad worked in this factory,


somebody else can arrive with the same citizenship as you and I think


people were and are prepared by us, the Labour movement and party for


that shock. -- under prepared. That boosted support for the left and


then Ed Miliband and now Jeremy Corbyn as leader. One of the


interesting things. There has been a Twitter feed reliving 1997, and it


was interesting, the extent which Euroscepticism was there bubbling


away with the referendum party at the time. One other point about


1997, we saw people walking their into Downing Street on the day Tony


Blair became Prime Minister, and I saw a map of the route he would take


you where everyone would be. That was planned. To the very last


detail. Nothing on that scale is happening in this election because


this is a snap and action and everyone is flying by the seat of


their pants and that is why you get the mistakes we have this morning


about police numbers and why we have had compatible gaffes. We'll Labour


ever win a landslide election again? -- will. Not long ago people were


writing off the Tory government, and not that long ago people said he


would never get a majority government again and I think that


will be proven wrong very soon. Thanks for joining us.


Can you be a Labour MP if you're not prepared to support your leader


Well, Labour MP John Woodcock thinks so and he wants to be a Labour


Here he is talking to some of his constituents.


I don't think he would be fit to be Prime Minister,


even if it were possible that it was going to happen.


To try to reassure people like you and your son, I said,


I will stand up for the Labour Party in Parliament.


And so, if it came to it I wouldn't allow it to happen.


John Woodcock joins us now. There is a meeting tomorrow, you worried you


are about to be deselected? I hope not. Like so many of my Labour


colleagues across the country, I have two, after recovering from the


shock of the election being called, we have been working our socks off,


we have thousands of leaflets going out. That are arriving on people's


doorsteps as we speak. Paid for by the National Labour Party. I really


hope that I will be able to go through with the other candidates to


become the official candidate. How can you stand under a Labour banner


when you will not back the Labour leader to run the country? It is


highly unusual. I understand why it is controversial for many people but


I just thought, I should be honest. People know what I think about


Jeremy's leadership qualities. They have a particular view in the barrow


about Jeremy Corbyn, -- in Barrow about Jeremy Corbyn, much of it to


do with the views he has on Trident. So rather than being asked question


and having to fight it, which I would have been doing physics weeks,


I thought I would being honest. -- doing for six weeks. But you can't


stand as a Labour Party candidate after what you have said. He would


not have your vote. You would rather see Theresa May, Conservative, as


Prime Minister, then Jeremy Corbyn? That is not what I have said. Who do


you want to be Prime Minister? Labour will not win this election.


The polls have been wrong before. The Tories are desperate to make you


believe and the public believe that the polls are wrong. They're going


around saying it's really on a knife edge. No, the reason they do that is


because they want an absolute whitewash. They want hundreds of


Tory MPs coming back. The question is not actually who will be Prime


Minister. We know that Theresa May will come back. It is whether


communities like Barrow in Furness, communities across the north of


England will retain a strong Labour voice rather than a Tory nodding


dog. When you say Jeremy Corbyn will not have your vote, what does that


mean in practice? In the purely theoretical circumstances, because


this is not going to happen, but, if it came to it, if there was a


majority I would demand Labour picked a leader who could better


command a majority in the House of Parliament and could be a better


Prime Minister. As I say, Jo, this is a completely theoretical


circumstances because we know that the Tories have called this election


because they are 20 points ahead in the polls. Would you stand as an


independent? I want to be on the Labour ticket. I want to be the


official candidate. I have poured all my resources into that. We had a


really difficult meeting with my local party members. As you can mam,


strong views were aired. We calm out of that meeting resolving to do the


very best we could to keep the Tories out. It is ironic, many of


the people who talk about a progressive alliance, it seems to be


the ones who want to stop me being the candidate in Barrow in Furness


and hand the seat on the plate to the Tories... John Woodcock, I'll


have to finish it there. Philip, can he really be the Labour candidate?


This election? I'm ask the sceptical. That question of who you


back is not unimportant. You need to decide which party and leader? When


it comes to a vote of confidence, who do you back even if it is


theoretical. John Woodcock's not saying much more than #3r50i6 Attlee


other Labour MPs are saying. There is a difference between private and


publicly? Absolutely. A lot of people on the doorsteps are saying


Jeremy Corbyn will not be Prime Minister. You can have me as your


Labour MP. I'll stand up for the area. You don't want a massive


Conservative majority. In that sense, a lot offed woodcock message


is being said by Labour MPs on doorsteps across the country. You


says speblingt he's gone too far. You' just being honest, perhaps more


so than some of his Labour... I know other Labour MPs said they'd rather


have Theresa May as Prime Minister than Jeremy Corbyn. They won't say


that publicly. He's not saying that. No, he didn't say that, nor did


Neil. Any Labour Prime Minister is better than a Tory Prime Minister.


You've spoken to Labour candidates who would pre-Theresa May?


Privately. But it is a purely theoretical question. We will know


that in June. Now, on Thursday there are


local elections across the UK. In Scotland, the SNP hope to make


further headway in places that have and a resurgent Scottish


Conservative Party Adam's been Glasgow to


gauge the parties' prospects. The crown jewel of Scottish local


government, the home The City Council controls an annual


budget of ?2.2 billion and is a big influence on the lives of every


Glaswegian. Labour have been in charge


since the year of my birth, 1980, but the SNP are desperate


to seize control. Let's take our vision to the people


and let's do this, OK. The SNP has tried and failed


to win here before. Now the big idea on the


leaflets is people power. Giving each ward


?1 million to spend. If they wanted to run a project


in the community they can go to the community council


and they can make that decision themselves, the people,


the local community. Where they didn't have


that chance before. After four decades in charge,


Labour is trying to look It's continuity, of trying to change


and transform the city of Glasgow. We've invested heavily in our school


estate and we've radically transformed our housing estate


and we've got ambitions now to have a technological revolution


in the schools where youngsters will have access to tablets


and iPads to make sure they can get The 454,000 voters on the River


Clyde make the choice using a proportional system called


the single transferable vote, STV, which means the other


parties do get a look in. It means there are no


votes which are wasted. People can have perceptions


in different elections that their vote might not


count for anything. Which means it's super exciting


and it's very important that everybody gets to the polls


and makes their voice heard. One-party politics is not a good


idea and I think we're seeing that nationally at the moment,


having one party in control, in the Last time round the Tories won


a single councillor, but this time they're trying


to reach out beyond leafy Handing leaflets,


speaking to people. Are there wards that you would not


have campaigned in before? We're campaigning right


across the city for every vote. And I think for the first


time people are coming What ever happens here in Glasgow,


the result will tell us Have Labour gone as


low as they can go? Have the SNP gone


as high as they can? How strong is the Tory


resurgence here in Scotland? All really useful information ahead


of the general election in June. Let's pick up on those questions.


Ruth Davidson says peak has been reached. Labour holding on to


Glasgow. Critically important to them. And the resurgence of the


Tories general. Well, the interesting thing is they use STV.


What it means in most councils in Scotland, you don't have single


party control in the way you do across large swathes of England or


Wales. Glasgow is one of the few councils left in Scotland which is


single-party controlled by Labour. There was a lot of talk last time it


was fought in 2012 it would fall and cease to be held by Labour. I think


this time it is probably coming. There is an interesting question


about whether Labour can cling on to the few councils it controls. And


whether the SNP can do well enough to push for single party control in


a few other councils. Broadly speaking, what's the impact of the


General Election on these local elections? I think it is really


weird. We are are we've hardly talked about them in the last couple


of weeks. They've got completely drowned out by the General Election.


You've all the Scotland, all of Wales and the English shire counties


up for election. The Metro mayors. A lot going on. It is about 5,000


council seats in total. One is it will tell much less telling about


the general election. They are not that good a read across. And second,


the impact the General Election will have on the local elections because


it is being fought in the middle of this general election campaign. That


we don't know yet. In is sense, it is being overshadowed, do you think


more attention should be given to these local elections as an


indication of what's coming a few weeks later? In their own right it


is important. We should be focusing on it more because of not what it


will tell us about the General Election but what it tells us about


local government. George Osborne's first day


as a Newspaper editor, Boris Johnson gets a taste


of his own medicine and a council seat in Wales


where no one's standing. Here's Ellie with the Daily Politics


desk of election news. Theresa May was busy this weekend


but then, so were the people Don't worry, there's still five


weeks to find someone at home. Amber Rudd's been tweeting how


excited she is to be reselected for further chances to look


awkward in high vis. Strangely calm as the Lady of May


and terrified driving a boat. Elsewhere, in election news,


finally the purple smoke emerged over Hartlepool and the Ukip leader


Paul Nuttall announced he would be standing as a candidate


125 miles away in Boston Skegness. Now, remember Boris Johnson last


week calling Jeremy Corbyn... You're is a muddle


headed mugwubble... Today, Labour's Deputy Leader Tom


Watson labelled the foreign secondary a Kaagy handed


cheese-headed fob doodle. An election of sensible debate and


dictionaries! A dictionary might have been useful for whoever wrote


this Labour campaign leaflet. Blocking unstainable housing and


sporting fcilities... He'll maybe take comfort in knowing his ex-wife


Karen failed in her own nomination. Gloria has been told when the


election is following this campaign video. The choice of the 9th June.


Anyone wanting to vote for her or anyone else on June 9thth might want


to consider getting in a day earlier on election day! George Osborne's


starting an another new role today as editor of the London Evening


Standard. I have to get in there. We've a paper to get off stone.


George, it's all done on computer these days. The Government won't


appeal against the ruling on autodiesel cast before the General


Election. It wanted to delay its air pollution strategy. And finally,


spare a thought for the 1,000 or so people who live in Usker. A little


place near Breck enwhere no-one wants to stand to be councillor. It


looks set to be unrepresented as people got to the other pole pole,


the local elections. Now, the sculptor Cornelia Parker


has been commissioned as the official artist


of the upcoming general election, the fifth time someone


has been given the role. Cornelia is a former Turner Prize


nominee famed for her installations including blowing up a shed and


mimicking the house from the film Psycho on the roof of the


Metropolitan Museum of Art She was selected by the Speaker's


Advisory Committee on Works of Art, and will be given ?17,000


to capture the essence The final artwork will join the


Parliamentary Art Collection Why you did you want to accept the


role? I was working in America a lot last year. I was obsessed with the


American elections. Then, also the Le Pen, Macron, it seems like a very


pivotal moment with Brexit. I only knew a week ago I was up for this.


The whole snap election and snap... You weren't aLen in your surprise.


There were many others. Any ideas popped into your head in the week


about how you might reflect it? There have been ideas. Some have not


or are not repeatable. Shame, tell me about those afterwards. Anything


bearing in mind you have to show this piece of work? I videoed


Halloween on my iPhone in New York in relation to the American general


elections. A full screen video piece. The politics of my work is


open to interpretation. It is there. Bubbling through? It is. Can we


expect something explosive to coin a phrase? I don't know. I heard David


Cameron's got a nice new shed. He has. I'm taking photographs daily of


mundane things which might have a political slant. I've just lost my


social media virginity. Congratulations! I'm doing


Instagram. Election artist 2017 if anyone wants to check in on my


images. What is the point of election art? I don't know. I


suppose it is a bit like war art. You're embedded somehow. You observe


and reflect on it, I suppose. The work goes on display in accept. I'll


have time to look back on it all and work out what's happening. Let me


draw this to a close! The 1pm news is starting


over on BBC One now. I'll be back at 1130 tomorrow


with Andrew for live coverage This is perhaps


the most unstable moment


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