04/05/2017 Daily Politics


04/05/2017

Andrew Neil with the latest political news, interviews and debate. He is joined by foreign affairs analyst Tim Marshall for the latest on the French presidential election.


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Afternoon folks and welcome to the Daily Politics.

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The final two contenders for the French Presidency go head

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to head in a heated and - at times - ill-tempered debate.

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Who will take the crown in Sunday's election?

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Tommy Robinson takes on the anti-extremism think tank,

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Quilliam over claims he's on the far right.

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The kit that's keeping us safe from the threat of terrorism -

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can technology help us win the war?

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And what do Donald Trump's tweets tell us about what makes

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Fake news, a sorry state. All fake news. You a fake news. BBC. He's

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another beauty! Never quite thought of the BBC as a

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beauty, but there you go, we will take it in the literal sense.

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All that in the next hour and with us for the duration today

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is the foreign affairs analyst Tim Marshall.

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He used to work for a broadcaster called Sky News -

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now he's much more famous as the editor of a blog called

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First this morning, Buckingham Palace have announced

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that Prince Philip is to stand down from public duties in the Autumn.

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The Prince, who is now 95, will continue his involvement

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with over 780 organisations although he will no longer

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play an active role by attending engagements.

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In the last hour the Prime Minister has reacted

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On behalf of the whole country I want to offer our deepest

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gratitude and good wishes to His Royal Highness

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the Duke of Edinburgh following the announcement

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that he will stand down from public duties in the autumn.

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For his steadfast support for Her Majesty The Queen to his

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inspirational Duke of Edinburgh awards and his patronage of hundreds

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of charities and good causes, his contribution

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to our United Kingdom, the Commonwealth and the wider world

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will be of huge benefit to us all for years to come.

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The Prime Minister there. I guess the Palace has done us a favour an

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ad baby can't talk about elections. They've given us a news story. They

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have, and it was a story you were absolutely loving in the media,

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about 8am, rumours they were going to be a meeting. This mystery. I

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drove past Buckingham Palace and there is wall-to-wall satellite

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trucks and correspondence, everyone rushed down there in case, God

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forbid, someone had fallen under a royal was, quite happily no, it is

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still a big story, I am rather ambivalent about them but I

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understand the role they play in the country and the respect is for them.

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The guy has been around a time and for all the slitty eyed remarks

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except, except at... They are all being published. A great excuse to

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drop them out, I met him once, I don't think he remembers, he met me.

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On balance, some of them were gaps, but put that in perspective of a

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life's worked, the scales or tipped towards him, he has done lot for

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this country. We see him there with his MCC tie on yesterday looking at

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cricket bats, wielded by some of the legends of the game, what I'm not

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sure is has he been, has he got to 95, reducing his engagements and

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this is the natural end to his engagements or is this an abrupt

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end? I've been doing a lot, I'm now not doing anything. You will have to

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go to the royal experts on Matt, I can't work out why do you announce

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this now that he's retiring in the autumn and this is only speculation

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on my behalf, the man is 96, he occasionally fall so, I think they

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are preparing us for the long, slow withdrawal... He looks pretty good

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for 95, 96-year-old, standing bolt upright, walks without any aid or

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assistance am not even a stick. He was in the war and he has carried

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that war bearing, a senior naval officer, in my younger days I did a

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couple of royal in India and Pakistan and you see him striding

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around, lifting children over barriers to get to the Queen.

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Impressive. There we go. Voters in France will be

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going to the polls this Sunday There were originally 11 candidates

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but that was narrowed down to just two in the first-round

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vote last month. The two remaining candidates

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are Emmanuel Macron, from the centrist En Marche party,

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and Marine Le Pen, Neither belonging to the mainstream

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parties in France. The two candidates clashed

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on primetime French In a heated exchange,

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Marine Le Pen accused her rival of being "the candidate

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of savage globalisation". saying Marine Le Pen was "the high

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priestess of fear". on major policy areas

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like the economy, Marine Le Pen is a staunch

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eurosceptic and she's promised an in-out referendum on France's EU

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membership within the first six She would need Parliament to agree

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to that. But Emmanuel Macron is a strong

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supporter of the EU. On a visit to London last month

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he said that he would aim to "defend French and European interests"

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in the Brexit negotiations. with the bookies and the pollsters -

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but it's thought that around a fifth of French voters

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are still undecided. Well, here are the two

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candidates in last It was pretty dramatic television,

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entertaining and enjoyable. TRANSLATION: Mr Macron

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is the candidate of globalisation. TRANSLATION: You've shown that

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you are not the candidate The question is, do the people

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want your defeatist attitude? You say globalisation

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is too hard for us. TRANSLATION: The safety

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of our people and the fight against terror, Islamist extremism,

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you don't want to take it on. Against terrorism we have

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to close our borders. And that's what I'll do

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the moment I take power. TRANSLATION: Closing

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borders achieves nothing. There are many countries outside

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the Schengen area which have been hit as hard as us

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by terrorist attacks. And since 2015 we have put

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back border controls. That gives you a flavour of the

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debate which went on for over two hours.

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Joining me now is Max Begon-Lours from the Front National.

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We did ask En Marche, that's Emmanuel Macron's

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party, for an interview - but they said no one was available.

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But we still have Macs with us. Welcome to the camp -- the country.

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-- to the programme. Your candidate, we thought it would be a game

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changer and it wasn't. I think that's a tough assessment of

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the debate, she wanted to deliver a message that was there has been a

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big marketing project to present Mr Micron as the candidate for change,

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a new candidate and this is not true, he has been in government, a

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member of a socialist party and he hasn't condemned the policies of a

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socialist government. The message was if you are not happy with the

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current government, don't put the vote to Macron because you're going

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to get the same thing for the next five years. I understand that when

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she came back to that again and again, all the woes of the Francois

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Hollande government seemed to be laid at the doorstep of Macron by

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Marine Le Pen but I understand she wanted to paint him as the

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continuity of an unpopular government candidate, so unpopular

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Francois Hollande couldn't run again but is cutting through, we see no

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movement towards her in this campaign. I think you have to look

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at the electorate. Most people who aren't going to vote, who said they

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are going to vote for Macron said they won't change their mind, the

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key message was to change on the side of people. What was important

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to making the decision. Do you think, she was pretty brutal in

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personal terms to Mr Macron, he gave as good as he got what if you are

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trying to get uncommitted voters, maybe vote is closer to the centre,

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is that kind of approach in a debate really likely to get them? I think

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she spoke with her heart, she is furry dissatisfied with the policies

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that are hurting her country, I am as well. A lot of the people were

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trying to convince our very dissatisfied, they have lost their

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jobs, health benefits coming down. It was interesting at the start of

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the debate, her attack on Mr Macron tom on economic policy was from the

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left. At times she sounded like a rage against capitalism, the banker.

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You are a banker. The workers, the state, it was a kind of left Wick --

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left-wing critique of capitalism. I think she's just reflecting the

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opinions of the French people on policy. Mr Macron is supporting

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unrestricted free trade, the offshore moving of French companies,

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you can't just say it left or right, what is in the best interests of the

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French people, we are not against capitalism, we think the economy

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should serve the French people not the French people serving the

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economy. What did you think of the debate? I know you watched it. I was

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gripped. Anoraks are also. The best display I've ever seen of passive

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aggressive smiling from both, when they were calling each other

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traitors and liars they were both smiling. They allowed cutaways, I

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know it is a technical thing in a way but that was an innovation in

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the French presidential debate, to get a split screen. To try and

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rounded, I think the narrative, when she loses and she will these -- lose

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by a good 15-20 points, the far right have been halted in their

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tracks and it's a false narrative, they said it after the Dutch

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elections, the Dutch far right increased their share. People said

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this was a failure, this won't be a failure for the front National, they

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will get this far, Mr Macron will go into power with no MPs, I can't see

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how he will make a good fist of it over the next five years given the

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state Francis and and its policies and I think the candidate of this

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gentleman is far better placed for five years time. Last thing that is

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so important about this, how to rebrand yourself? With respect to

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you, I can see you holding me up either throat against a wall but 20

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years ago when I used to cover your party, time and again at rallies I

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would be held up against a wall by thugs in masks demanding to see my

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passport, and I was a correspondent in Paris. When Marine Le Pen's

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father would talk about the Holocaust, the detail of the Second

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World War, you have moved a long way from there and I think it's a

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brilliant piece of rebranding. How far have you moved? In terms of

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actuality as opposed to brand, Marine Le Pen decided to step down

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temporarily as leader of the National front for the rest of the

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campaign, she chose a man, her stand-in, who is a name EP, he then

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had to step aside because there were allegations he had questioned,

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indeed he had questioned the existence of the Nazi gas chambers?

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People made this allegation. Really? You didn't say, I consider from a

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technical standpoint it is impossible, I stress impossible to

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use the Gas the Nazis used in mass extermination? We are suing the

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people who made this statement for defamation. We know this, he said,

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he doesn't recall participating in the interview. The Parliamentary

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elections, in June, they will be important for whoever is President

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but you don't do well in Parliamentary elections, do you? You

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rarely get through the second round, you won't get a lot of deputies, a

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lot of members of the assembly. Look at the French map, how many

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departments in France, when Marine Le Pen was first, the French

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constituency where she was ahead of Macron, things have changed a lot.

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We will see in June, we have more French elections, we cannot get

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enough of them! Taking up ten's point, is her heart in battling

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through to Ford will be 2020 to cover the next presidential election

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because she had a pretty lacklustre campaign for the round one and even

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last night, she seemed to run out of steam in the final 40-45 minutes.

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She began round one 26, 27 points in the polls and ended up at 22, Ishii

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and for the long term? I think she's in for the long term, I'm not privy

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to what she wants to do. I definitely think she has the skills

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to do this, look at what she achieved in five years, taking us to

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the second round with polls showing us at 40%, it's incredible. We are

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clearly the main opposition now to these policies. We will see. Your

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final thought, they will be the main opposition in parliament. They want

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and that is the problem, he had a substantial share of the National

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boat in France but it doesn't transfer into seats which means the

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people who think the system is rigged against them will continue to

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think that, which means the fissures in French society will continue and

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briefly, I am not accusing you of being a fascist, your party was a

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fascist party under Marine Le Pen's father, I notice add your

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headquarters you have black and Arab people, you haven't ditched that

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tinge of fascism, have you? The media haven't ditched it, which is

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the argument. We shall see, the results coming through I think, the

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polls close at 8pm on Sunday night, is that right, French time? We will

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get the exit polls at 7pm London time. Usually by the second round,

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they are pretty accurate. Tim has recently written

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a book about the power and politics of flags,

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so he should know more about them The question for today

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is which of these flags is the odd one out,

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in that it is still the flag Is it a) Union flag with red,

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white and blue stripes? b) Union flag with red

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and white hoizontal stripes? c) Defaced red ensign featuring

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a heraldic shield in the fly? Or d) Defaced light

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blue ensign featuring At the end of the show Tim will give

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us the correct answer. I won't. LAUGHTER

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Or you can send his book back. LAUGHTER

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Over the past three years the activities of the extremist

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group so-called Islamic State, has made many headlines.

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But is their reign of terror coming to an end?

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The group has now lost much of the territory it once

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In a moment we'll hear from Tim but first Emma Vardy takes a look

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... The city of Mosul and rapidly advanced to the capital Baghdad. At

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its peak ices controlled half of Syria and large parts of Iraq. --

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ices controlled for the timid in people were living under their

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control. The jihadists claimed they had a caliphate and Brislington

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renamed themselves Islamic State. Kurdish fighters recaptured the

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northern Syrian town of Kobani in 2015 and since then Kurdish led

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forces have driven IS out of thousands of square kilometres of

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northern Syria. At the end of 2014, they have this mission statement of

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remaining and expanding, that was their mantra, but now they not

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remaining and they are certainly not expanding. Their fundamental

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elements to their success in 2014 have been challenged and how they

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continue to adapt under this coalition is a huge question. The

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current focus of the battle in Iraq is the control of Mosul, the

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jihadists last major stronghold, the eastern half of the city has now

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been liberated but taking Western Mosul is expected to be tough with

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more densely populated districts. As IS has lost key cities and other

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crucial factors have been the loss of funding. The maximum amount of

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money that was earned by Isis was $2 billion coming from oil and

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extortion and confiscations. And now we believe their funding has dogged

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by -- dropped by about 50% and they have lost access to Keira fine

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arrays and they can't tax their large population centres that they

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had previously -- lost access to key oil refineries. The drone strikes

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have also led to the deaths of key IS figures.

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Can't post a serious threat to the UK, according to a Parliamentary

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report -- Khan posed. There is expected to be a bloody battle for

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Raqqa in the coming months. Black flags are not flying as high as they

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used to, such as here, which was taken back from IS in the past week.

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Many smaller villages have also been liberated from their control, but

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those on the ground said defeating IS in the more populated towns and

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cities is much slower work. I spoke to a journalist from northern Syria

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yesterday afternoon and he described how IS resource into ever more

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brutal tactics. In small villages IS fighters are not showing any

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resistance, because if they did, they will give coordinates and they

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will bomb the area directly, but it is different regarding big towns and

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cities. IS has now lost more than half the

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ground it once held. But the battle to eradicate the group will continue

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to result in many lives being lost on all sides. Fighting groups on the

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ground in conjunction with air strikes from the United States led

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coalition will make sure there are areas continue to diminish, but what

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is next clear is what comes next. -- make sure there are areas continue

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to diminish. The caliphate is still there, why? Because they have not

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put ground troops in and they are relying on the Kurds to do it and

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they will do it. In answer to the question, are they willing, no,

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because they are losing these battles but they are not losing the

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war. They will lose the rest of Mosul this year, and they will

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probably lose Raqqa by this time next year, and Raqqa is very

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important because it has been spoken at the end of days will happen when

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the black flags disappear. They have done what Al-Qaeda have never did,

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they have taken territory and held it to create the caliphate. They

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have made themselves the big boys, but they are going to lose. But the

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ideology that underpins them and Al-Qaeda and others is not lost.

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They will scatter into Afghanistan and other countries, into the weaker

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areas of China, and we will see an outbreak of violence in many of

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those places and in Europe. They will continue to recruit. The

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ongoing battle which is generational because the ideology is still

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embedded in enough people to make it a massive threat. So they are losing

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the people, but the war is ongoing which we will find out over the

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generations. Tens of thousands of troops had been deployed to Mosul

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and they have been backed by Allied British and American and other

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special forces and air power. And yet it has taken a long while. I

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remember people said it won't be over by Christmas, meeting last

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year, but it probably will be over not long after that, and it is still

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not over. I'm no military expert but I never thought that. I think maybe

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by this time next year they will be pushed out of Raqqa and even then

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there is a problem. If the Kurds go there, that's not a Kurdish area,

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that is a Sunni area and that will cause problems. We're not talking

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about the American overwhelming firepower, even though they have it.

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But they are not flattening everything and Mosul is the most

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populous city in Iraq. So you can either fats push them out and take

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400,000 civilian casualties or go street by street and take several

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thousand civilian casualties. That is what is happening. It is awful

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and bloody but this is part of the war and Isis is going to lose it but

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another group called Isis Mach two will be there in a couple of years.

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-- mark. President Trump said defeating Isis would be his top

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priority. Well, he said a lot of things. Do you discern any change in

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policy towards Islamic State from America? Not really. There was wild

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speculation that he was going to put 300,000 ground troops in, but that

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was nonsense. So far there have been extra special forces into Jordan and

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into Syria, and they are ramping up and I would not rule out more going,

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and they are also now floated to the front lines. There was a casualties

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last week, I think. I don't think the United States really cares about

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Syria. It is not as important for them strategically and they are far

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more concerned about what is happening in the South China Sea and

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other parts of the world. We will leave it there, Tim, thank you for

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that. Now - there's one story that the BBC

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won't be reporting today - and that's the general election

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campaign. That's because voters in most parts

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politics on polling day. But we can tell you what elections

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morning and they close In England, there are elections

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elections in England, with voters going to the polls

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North Tyneside and elsewhere. In Scotland, every seat in all 32

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is off-air tomorrow. But do tune in to BBC Two from 9am,

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where Huw Edwards will be bringing you all the results

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and analysis in a special local Now - the former leader

:26:51.:26:53.

of the English Defence League, Tommy Robinson, raided the offices

:26:54.:27:00.

of the anti-extremism think-tank, Quilliam, earlier this week claiming

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that one of the organisation's authors had labelled him

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a 'white supremicist'. Quilliam ejected Mr Robinson

:27:15.:27:15.

and the cameraman who was with him and have made a complaint

:27:16.:27:19.

to the police. We'll be talking to Tommy

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Robinson and Haras Rafiq First here's footage of the incident

:27:23.:27:24.

filmed for the online So today we are going

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to an organisation called Quilliam. And the reason I'm going there

:27:28.:27:34.

is one of their leading researchers, a lady called Julia,

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she wrote an article yesterday in The Guardian where she declares

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I'm a white supremacist. So you haven't got an appointment?

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No. OK.

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So do you mind coming this way? Come on.

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Yeah. Do you mind if I ask why I'm

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a white supremacist? I did not say that you were

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a white supremacist. No, I did not.

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You can read the exact article. Come on, Julia.

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to break his camera? And Haras Rafiq, the Chief Executive

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of Quilliam joins us now, Mr Robinson. You often complain that

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you arbitrate as much more extreme than you say you are, but is

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bursting into an office like that, and ending in a fracas, helps in the

:28:37.:28:41.

image you want to portray? The doors were open and I was very polite and

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I walked with once -- one cameraman. Bearing in mind that the lady called

:28:52.:28:56.

me a white supremacist. This is about people who support me, working

:28:57.:28:59.

class people at home who have been pigeonholed as extremists and

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racists and far right when they are not. They have genuine concerns and

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right STUDIO: -- euro they have genuine concerns and fears.

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Should you be on the side of Quilliam? If they are what they say

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they are. Why are they named after Quilliam? They need to be named

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after a true reformer. They do a lot of work to promote moderation. Only

:29:42.:29:46.

people in that office who wear certain ties are allowed to have an

:29:47.:29:49.

opinion and everyone else is called a far right extremist. You have

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attended rallies and you have tweeted endorsements of groups like

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Britain first. I have reported on a demonstration by Britain first and I

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have also done that for Muslim demonstrations. The reason I'm

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going, because the truth is not being related to the people at home.

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The mainstream media, they are all reporting fake news and they are

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lying to people. Quilliam, they have lied to people but when the video

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goes online, it shows what happens, I was not bullying and intimidating.

:30:25.:30:31.

You were trespassing. There was an open door and I walked into the

:30:32.:30:34.

office. We should be talking about what that lady said. I will come to

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that in a minute. You retweeted a Britain first video about fake news

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and media lies, and that does associate you with extremist groups.

:30:50.:30:55.

I also retweeted an article on Isis which wish showing the facts about

:30:56.:31:00.

them and that is not associated me with them -- which was. It is the

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facts as seen by a hard right group. I'm not here to talk about me for

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top and to talk about the demonisation of people like me. This

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has gone on for ten years. It's not fair.

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On this Guardian comment piece, you effectively called him fight

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supremacist. Let me clarify, the position on Tommy further he is a

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supremacist or not, Tommy knows me, he has been to my house, he knows my

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family, he knows I am not someone with a vendor against him and he

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knows what I stand for so I'm surprised as Chief Executive he says

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Quilliam stands for something else. The position is not that Tommy is a

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fight supremacist. An article was written by someone, I wasn't... A

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senior researcher... The process needs to be change that I get

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everything out. Did you not that this? I did not. Can I let our

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viewers know what was said. What this woman wrote for the Guardian,

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the far right has moved from the fringe into the mainstream. It

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demonstrates massive support that fight supremacist and movements have

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attracted, there online followership also does cars Tommy Robinson's

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Twitter account as has almost the same number as Theresa May. Although

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she didn't write Tommy Robinson is a fight supremacist it would be hard

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to come to any other conclusion when you read the logic, the chronology

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of that article. OK, let me again reiterate the position, Tommy

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Robinson is not a fight supremacist as far as Quilliam is concerned.

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Tommy could have rang me and we could have sorted this out, but we

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are for we are and we will sort this out. I have spoken to the author,

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the article was not meant to say he is a fight supremacist, it could

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have been worded better, absolutely, according to her it was meant to say

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that Tommy has followers as many organisations do who are not fight

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supremacist and will attract people who are white supremacists because

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sometimes they will feel attracted to a message, not necessarily his

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fault... It was clumsily worded. I think it should have been worded

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differently and my reading that was not to say that Tommy is a white

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supremacist. He said live on network television he doesn't think you are

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a white supremacist. Everyone knows I am not fight supremacist, this was

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assigned to... It is not just about me, it's about people who support

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me, it's frustrating, I meet people in the street who don't like me and

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they don't not fight they don't like me, I get attacked regularly and

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when I get down to talking to them, one person, I went to his house,

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everything he thought I stood for I didn't stand for and that's because

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of articles like this, fake news. For I come back to you, do you

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accept what he now says? Because his Medicare, he doesn't think what the

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article implies. There is no way that article was not written to

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imply that, that was wrote to... It says the far right dehumanises

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Muslims, exactly what she has done to me, she humanised me as standing

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for something I'm not. I've made the official position of Quilliam

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officially clear, I and Chief Executive, Julia is not. Am I an

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extremist? I have never called you an extremist. I didn't read any of

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us, all of these things, these are lies. From local government

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funded... First of all it is not government funded and that is a lie

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and you know it isn't. Number two, breaking into, going into an office

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on and fight it, being asked to leave, trespassing for a political

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grievance is political extremism. It is. By definition it is. And

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secondly, emulating tactics that Britain first and other

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organisations use sets a dangerous precedent. Emulating

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emulating tactics emulating tactics of owing, these people, there were

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people in the office yesterday, women who have never met Tommy who

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were genuinely scared. Genuinely scared because of the lies that

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people like... They were scared because you and cameramen came in

:35:42.:35:46.

and you were forcing a microphone uninvited, unexpected into some of's

:35:47.:35:50.

face on private property and the point is, had you rang me and I

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called you, and it's on the video, I said wait for me, it's on the video,

:35:55.:35:58.

people can see it, please let me finish, is said to you very calmly

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and I say it again now, the offer is there to sort this out, I say to you

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calmly on the phone I am in a meeting, you have travelled all the

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way down from Luton, there is a copy shop nearby, wait for me. Hundreds

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of thousands of people through the Guardian have read this article but

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says this... You wanted sorted? We will sorted. But we wouldn't be

:36:19.:36:25.

having this conversation... Afterwards,... This was a pretty

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good publicity stunt. Imagine, I had to ring up and use a fake name to

:36:30.:36:37.

get only radio show. What he said afterwards, I wouldn't have taken

:36:38.:36:40.

the call if I knew it was Tommy Robinson, do I expect he will sit

:36:41.:36:44.

down and talk to me? I am the Chief Executive of Quilliam, you know

:36:45.:36:48.

that, I have had you at my house. I want to bring in Tim Marshall, he

:36:49.:36:55.

will be the umpire. Let me ask you, you say you are not an extremist,

:36:56.:36:59.

what were you an extremist? I've never been an extremist, ever. Were

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you not a member of the DMP? We've gone through this. We've done this.

:37:05.:37:10.

Rent you a member at one stage? I was a member when I joined because

:37:11.:37:15.

of what was happening in 2009. You were extras? I wasn't. I was 21

:37:16.:37:22.

years old and I joined an organisation... While we are on

:37:23.:37:31.

subject, justice for Chelsea .com, people need to sign into that

:37:32.:37:36.

because English girls across the country are being raped... You

:37:37.:37:38.

cannot use us for that. Let me correct something. ... Is not in

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jail for terrorism... Tim Marshall, you'd been listening to this, you

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know the issues. What's your view? I've followed both organisations for

:37:55.:37:56.

many years, I've seen ten minutes you put on on your TV channel

:37:57.:38:04.

online. And I have to say this is the way to sort things out. And

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quite encouraged by this and I can see that you don't think this man is

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a white supremacist, nor do I. I'm not going to see a -- say a plague

:38:15.:38:19.

on both your houses because I get for you are both coming from. You've

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framed it in class terms and I understand that the cause I have

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some sympathy for the view that the moment you come out with a

:38:29.:38:32.

working-class voice people stop listening to what you are saying,

:38:33.:38:36.

they listened to the accident and not the words, that is part of the

:38:37.:38:40.

problem with people sneering Brexit borders. By frame it -- I know for

:38:41.:38:47.

you are coming from. You said to Jeremy Paxman, your kids don't go to

:38:48.:38:52.

the school were my kids go. We are running out of time. But... This is

:38:53.:38:57.

not trying to be patronising but it's not the way to do things, you

:38:58.:39:01.

did barge into an office, a place of work, you did shove cameras, your

:39:02.:39:07.

guys need media training, don't put your hand on the camera. The big

:39:08.:39:11.

problem is lies in the national media. That is a point you made

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several times. We will leave there, thank you both for being with us.

:39:20.:39:23.

Now - since 7/7 the the threat from Islamist inspired terrorism has

:39:24.:39:26.

been ever-present and the threat level in the UK remains at severe.

:39:27.:39:29.

Despite subsequent loss of life thankfully most

:39:30.:39:31.

plots have been thwarted, not least thanks to the expertise

:39:32.:39:33.

Adam visited the Security and Anti Terror Expo in west London

:39:34.:39:37.

where some of that expertise was on display.

:39:38.:39:44.

250 companies are exhibiting and over the next two days 10,000

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But if you ain't a security industry professional you ain't getting in.

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So come through the world's first ballistic protected shutter to see

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Celebrities if they want to have it on their house.

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How much would one of these cost me if I wanted to protect

:40:16.:40:18.

How about an EU funded project that uses virtual reality to whisk

:40:19.:40:26.

What am I doing, I'm looking for someone with a suspicious bag?

:40:27.:40:31.

Sorry, excuse me, I'm opening the bag.

:40:32.:40:34.

It's actually a parachute that turns into a boat.

:40:35.:40:42.

For dogs that jump out of helicopters.

:40:43.:40:45.

But, as the goodies go high-tech, the baddies are going low.

:40:46.:40:50.

Bob Broadhurst ran the police operation for the 2012 Olympics.

:40:51.:40:53.

All you need is a car, a knife or a gun.

:40:54.:40:58.

And I think that's where the current trend is looking towards.

:40:59.:41:03.

Moving away from the technicalities of making a bomb and delivering it

:41:04.:41:06.

in a vehicle or a plane, to anybody in this room

:41:07.:41:09.

being a potential terrorist, and that is a huge challenge.

:41:10.:41:12.

Not just for the people at events like this,

:41:13.:41:14.

So this event is as much about sharing expertise

:41:15.:41:18.

And we're joined now by the former head of the Metropolitan Police

:41:19.:41:27.

anti-terrorism command, Richard Walton.

:41:28.:41:33.

Welcome to the programme. This technology making a difference in

:41:34.:41:39.

the counterterrorism efforts that we have to make? As we have seen in

:41:40.:41:43.

your clip there, obviously there are terrorist attacks have link with

:41:44.:41:48.

very unsophisticated, the one that happened in Westminster was probably

:41:49.:41:51.

the least sophisticated you can possibly imagine, each others

:41:52.:41:56.

doesn't have a car and a kitchen knife... And the same in Nice and

:41:57.:42:02.

Berlin. Nevertheless, terrorists learn from experience, we know they

:42:03.:42:07.

are using technology overseas, for instance, Islamic State are using

:42:08.:42:14.

drum technologies, they index -- developing drum capabilities and we

:42:15.:42:17.

need to be aware of where the threat is going because the threat is

:42:18.:42:22.

constantly changing. Although we've had low-level attack she wouldn't

:42:23.:42:26.

rule out the use of technology by the terrorists that we need to

:42:27.:42:30.

counteract? Absolutely not done they think this is what this expo is

:42:31.:42:35.

about, it's about thinking about the wider threats, for it these threats

:42:36.:42:38.

could go next, there is a lot of concern around cyber terrorism, we

:42:39.:42:43.

haven't seen it yet but of course we know there is intent, we know

:42:44.:42:46.

Islamic State, if they could, weaponised using chemical and

:42:47.:42:50.

biological weapons they would do so, it's wise and sensible to get

:42:51.:42:54.

professionals together across a range of disciplines to talk about

:42:55.:42:57.

these issues and look at the counter measures you can put in place to

:42:58.:43:01.

mitigate those threats. I'm told Britain is pretty good at this sort

:43:02.:43:05.

of stuff in the sense that we are at the cutting edge of quite a lot of

:43:06.:43:08.

developments. Is that related to the fact that long before we had to deal

:43:09.:43:15.

with Islamist terrorism we had 30 years of the IRA? Sure, when I

:43:16.:43:20.

standard -- started on counterterrorism in 1989 there were

:43:21.:43:24.

six officers dealing with counterterrorism at one desk, fun I

:43:25.:43:27.

left there were 6000 dealing with international terrorism, now there

:43:28.:43:32.

is six I understand the link with the Irish terror threat on the

:43:33.:43:34.

mainland but more across Northern Ireland. The terrorism threat is

:43:35.:43:41.

constantly changing. In the end, you need, it's the old-fashioned talking

:43:42.:43:44.

to people, shoe leather, the Pops from the local community, the

:43:45.:43:50.

heightened sense of vigilance, all below text I would think still

:43:51.:43:55.

matters. A key plank of the British counterterrorism strategy is

:43:56.:43:59.

absolutely that, engagement, prevent strategy, getting people to come

:44:00.:44:02.

forward, encouraging the Muslim community to talk to officials and

:44:03.:44:05.

police and to a large extent, that's worked. Look at the last three

:44:06.:44:11.

years, talking about 15 disrupted plots, regrettably, one got through

:44:12.:44:15.

in Westminster. It would have been hard to detect, in Westminster. An

:44:16.:44:20.

individual who apparently had no connection with other terrorists

:44:21.:44:23.

overseas, but we are aware of, incredibly difficult to disrupt

:44:24.:44:26.

those kind of plots but I think we need to be and put it into

:44:27.:44:30.

perspective, in the same time period we've seen plenty attacks in France,

:44:31.:44:37.

five in Germany, and the French themselves have stopped a lot. A

:44:38.:44:42.

number of victims and small ones get through. Two disrupted attacks in

:44:43.:44:48.

France in the last two weeks, the threat continues, I agree with Tim's

:44:49.:44:51.

assessment earlier on, once the physical camel -- caliphate in

:44:52.:44:56.

Islamic State is defeated and let's hope that happen soon, the virtual

:44:57.:45:00.

caliphate if you like, the way the ideology can be spread through

:45:01.:45:04.

social media in particular, will interview and we need to work harder

:45:05.:45:08.

on digital radicalisation and taking of the websites, some of the

:45:09.:45:11.

material on this radicalising youth. That brings us full circle, that's

:45:12.:45:13.

for a technology comes. Thank you. Now, once upon a time if you wanted

:45:14.:45:21.

to know the thinking of a foreign government you may have had to wait

:45:22.:45:24.

months for an envoy's letter If you were curious

:45:25.:45:28.

about the innermost thoughts of a foreign head of state,

:45:29.:45:32.

well, you'd have to ask your But nowadays you can put

:45:33.:45:35.

the cloak-and-dagger away and simply Never before has the world seen

:45:36.:45:40.

someone with as much power as Donald Trump also be willing

:45:41.:45:43.

to tweet about how it We thought we'd take a look

:45:44.:45:46.

back at some of the US President's greatest hits

:45:47.:45:53.

on the platform over the years - with a little help from

:45:54.:45:56.

impressionist Lewis Macleod. Just when the newspaper editor has

:45:57.:45:58.

the headlines ready, I It's just awfully good that someone

:45:59.:46:09.

with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law

:46:10.:46:27.

in our country. Politicians are all

:46:28.:46:29.

talk and no action. Washington can only be

:46:30.:46:37.

fixed by an outsider. You've called women you don't

:46:38.:46:41.

like fat pigs, dogs, I refuse to call

:46:42.:47:00.

Megyn Kelly a bimbo. Because that would not be

:47:01.:47:08.

politically correct. Instead I will only call her

:47:09.:47:11.

a lightweight reporter. A great movement is verified

:47:12.:47:13.

and crooked opponents try to belittle our

:47:14.:47:31.

victory with fake news. BBC.

:47:32.:47:33.

Here's another beauty. Many people have said I'm

:47:34.:47:44.

the world's greatest writer of 140 It's War and Peace, right

:47:45.:47:46.

there, 140 characters. You know, to send a tweet, birdsong,

:47:47.:47:53.

it's the same thing. I can't do it, but my

:47:54.:47:55.

words are great. You know, starlings,

:47:56.:48:02.

chaffinches, eagles. A bit heavy on your shoulder

:48:03.:48:07.

when they land on you. Lewis Macleod, there,

:48:08.:48:13.

who occasionally deputises for the President in the radio

:48:14.:48:25.

programme Dead Ringers. We're joined now by

:48:26.:48:27.

the journalist Peter Oborne. He's written a book

:48:28.:48:29.

examining every single one Why did you put yourself through

:48:30.:48:43.

this? This is what explains how he became President of the United

:48:44.:48:45.

States of America. You think it is that important? That is what he

:48:46.:48:52.

says. Is that true? He invented a new political language. It was a

:48:53.:48:58.

very very significant thing. Very often the case that a new political

:48:59.:49:04.

force comes to a new medium. Reza felt and his -- Reza felt -- Teddy

:49:05.:49:17.

Roosevelt and his fireside chats. JFK and TV, he was the first to

:49:18.:49:22.

really understand TV. It is the awful truth, President Trump was the

:49:23.:49:29.

first to grip Twitter, that was the medium which gave him his fullest

:49:30.:49:34.

expression. And allowed him to escape the evil mainstream media.

:49:35.:49:38.

And speak directly to voters and his followers. Exactly so. And mediated,

:49:39.:49:46.

which is the aim of all political dictators. -- not mediated. You get

:49:47.:49:55.

in the way sometimes, Andrew! It was very simple, message which cannot be

:49:56.:49:59.

contradicted, brutal, very funny sometimes. What do we glean about Mr

:50:00.:50:11.

Trump? What have you concluded? Quite a serious thing. Of course. He

:50:12.:50:19.

is funny, he's brilliant, but also he's much more sinister than I

:50:20.:50:24.

realised. I tended to think that he was a buffoon, right wing buffoon,

:50:25.:50:28.

and we have plenty of those everywhere, but if you read through

:50:29.:50:33.

this, the links with very sinister far right movements, there is one

:50:34.:50:38.

which he retweeted, white genocide, and I felt ashamed even to open it.

:50:39.:50:45.

When was that? About two years ago. You open it and go through to very

:50:46.:50:48.

sophisticated Adolf Hitler propaganda. Did you know what he was

:50:49.:50:54.

doing? Do you give him the benefit of the doubt? There were links...

:50:55.:51:05.

Ross Limbo, he's extremely nasty. Radio shock jock? Yes. The

:51:06.:51:13.

conspiracy theorists, anti-vaccine, the birth conspiracies. These are

:51:14.:51:19.

things he retweets? And actually plays with and entertains them and

:51:20.:51:25.

gives them space. Is there a change. He was doing this when he wasn't

:51:26.:51:29.

president. Before he was running, as well. Is he more careful now? Yeah,

:51:30.:51:36.

I think years. Now that he's in the White House, much of the more rancid

:51:37.:51:41.

anti-Muslim staff has gone. He did that before? Very ugly. About

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Muslims. Yeah. What do you make of it? We are going to look back at

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this as historians and this is the first president to get the new

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medium. Twitter is a shorthand for the new medium. I watched the White

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House press briefings with Sean Spicer, directly through the White

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House website, and I don't watch it from the 24-hour news channels. I

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watched the feed and he has got that, that people now go round it.

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Regarding Twitter, I love to say I told you, I said a couple of years

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ago that he is not a buffoon. You have got to listen with EE of the

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Pittsburgh steel worker. -- and listen with EE. And he has now

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started to come down. I think he is dangerous and sinister and deeply on

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present and he's using 21st century technology with a bold ideology, but

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he remains not as dangerous as most people think -- with a 20th-century

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ideology. Some people thought he would stop when he got into the

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White House. The tone might have changed, but he still sees this as a

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weapon in his media wars. He promised he would stop, but he has

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actually continued. And it got worse. These tweets at 3am, the

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mixture of bruised ego about celebrity and game shows with

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threats of world War three, all mingling into aid arranged cocktail.

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-- into a torrential sub you would think he had more on his mind. Well,

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he's not a deep thinker. Now if you like trumpet fanfares

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and ceremonial costumes, you'll love this item,

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because while we have been on air the proclamation summoning

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a new UK Parliament, which was signed by the Queen

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yesterday afternoon, Whereas we and by and with

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the advice of our Privy Council. Being desirous and resolved, as soon

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as may be to meet our people, and to have their

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advice in Parliament. The proclamation arrived in

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Edinburgh and the cameras were there to witness the event. It was the

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summons of a new parliament for the 13th of June.

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And we can talk to someone now who was involved in that parade -

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the Rothesay Herald of Arms, Sir Crispin Agnew of Lochnaw

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What was the purpose of today's pageantry? The purpose of a

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proclamation is to announce from the cross where people use together, any

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ball news which is important for the kingdom -- where people used to

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gather together, any oil news. Proclamation was the best way of

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getting royal news out to all the boroughs in Scotland. We maintain

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that addition to this day in respect, used be dissolutions of

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Parliament and the calling of new parliaments and also for announcing

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the succession of Nick and calling coronation and so on. -- succession

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of a monarch. We are now historically more limited and the

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most common ones are in relation to Parliament as happens today. The

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Queen issued this in London, but you proclaimed this in Edinburgh. Are

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there other parts of the country where this is proclaimed? The City

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of London, Cryer reads the proclamation in the City of London

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and the Lord line reads it in Scotland. Until the last couple, the

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Scottish one was always five days after the London one, because that

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was how long it took for the horse to get from London to Edinburgh with

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the proclamation. People used to say that Scottish MPs when title to five

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days extirpate because Parliament had not been dissolved in Scotland

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-- five days extirpate. Until we read the proclamation. Did it all go

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well today? It went like clockwork? Yes, everything went very well, we

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had a shorter time to get the ceremony together. The army turned

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up and did their part very well. It is a great privilege to take part in

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these ceremonials. We know it is a busy day. Thanks for joining us. So

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resplendent, as well. We have had Mori action to the announcement that

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Prince Philip is stepping down from his public engagements in the autumn

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-- mort reaction. He has dedicated his life to public service and to

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supporting the Queen. He has more than earned his retirement. Prince

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Philip, as well as the support he is given the Queen and his own public

:57:19.:57:21.

service, has done an amazing amount of charity work, especially to the

:57:22.:57:26.

Duke of Edinburgh awards which in Scotland has helped millions of

:57:27.:57:35.

young people. I think he is the one who has gone about his public

:57:36.:57:38.

engagements with a sense of humour and people will be appreciative of

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what he has done and will wish you all the best for a happy and

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peaceful retirement. -- will wish him. You can keep abreast of all of

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that on BBC News. There's just time before we go

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to find out the answer to our quiz. The question was which of these

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flags is the odd one out, in that it is still the flag

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of a sovereign nation. You can see them all there. Tim,

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which one? I thought if I could speak slowly enough we would run out

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of time. One of those is Hawaii and I think the nation state one is the

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bottom right. You are right. That is the Fiji flag and that is still the

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flag of the nation state. Well done. The one o'clock news is starting

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over on BBC One now. I will be back tonight

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with Michael Portillo, Lisa Nandy, Lionel Barber,

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Adrian Chiles, Miranda Green and the comedian Simon Evans

:58:44.:58:47.

on This Week from 1145. We are making way for rolling

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election coverage tomorrow

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Andrew Neil with the latest political news, interviews and debate. He is joined by foreign affairs analyst Tim Marshall for the latest on the French presidential election and journalist Peter Oborne discusses what Donald Trump's tweets reveal about the new US president.


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