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Afternoon folks and welcome to the Daily Politics. | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
The final two contenders for the French Presidency go head | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
to head in a heated and - at times - ill-tempered debate. | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
Who will take the crown in Sunday's election? | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
Tommy Robinson takes on the anti-extremism think tank, | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
Quilliam over claims he's on the far right. | :00:56. | :00:57. | |
The kit that's keeping us safe from the threat of terrorism - | :00:58. | :01:04. | |
can technology help us win the war? | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
And what do Donald Trump's tweets tell us about what makes | :01:09. | :01:10. | |
Fake news, a sorry state. All fake news. You a fake news. BBC. He's | :01:11. | :01:26. | |
another beauty! Never quite thought of the BBC as a | :01:27. | :01:37. | |
beauty, but there you go, we will take it in the literal sense. | :01:38. | :01:39. | |
All that in the next hour and with us for the duration today | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
is the foreign affairs analyst Tim Marshall. | :01:43. | :01:43. | |
He used to work for a broadcaster called Sky News - | :01:44. | :01:46. | |
now he's much more famous as the editor of a blog called | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
First this morning, Buckingham Palace have announced | :01:50. | :01:56. | |
that Prince Philip is to stand down from public duties in the Autumn. | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
The Prince, who is now 95, will continue his involvement | :02:00. | :02:02. | |
with over 780 organisations although he will no longer | :02:03. | :02:04. | |
play an active role by attending engagements. | :02:05. | :02:06. | |
In the last hour the Prime Minister has reacted | :02:07. | :02:08. | |
On behalf of the whole country I want to offer our deepest | :02:09. | :02:21. | |
gratitude and good wishes to His Royal Highness | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
the Duke of Edinburgh following the announcement | :02:24. | :02:25. | |
that he will stand down from public duties in the autumn. | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
For his steadfast support for Her Majesty The Queen to his | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
inspirational Duke of Edinburgh awards and his patronage of hundreds | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
of charities and good causes, his contribution | :02:34. | :02:34. | |
to our United Kingdom, the Commonwealth and the wider world | :02:35. | :02:37. | |
will be of huge benefit to us all for years to come. | :02:38. | :02:47. | |
The Prime Minister there. I guess the Palace has done us a favour an | :02:48. | :02:56. | |
ad baby can't talk about elections. They've given us a news story. They | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
have, and it was a story you were absolutely loving in the media, | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
about 8am, rumours they were going to be a meeting. This mystery. I | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
drove past Buckingham Palace and there is wall-to-wall satellite | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
trucks and correspondence, everyone rushed down there in case, God | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
forbid, someone had fallen under a royal was, quite happily no, it is | :03:20. | :03:26. | |
still a big story, I am rather ambivalent about them but I | :03:27. | :03:28. | |
understand the role they play in the country and the respect is for them. | :03:29. | :03:35. | |
The guy has been around a time and for all the slitty eyed remarks | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
except, except at... They are all being published. A great excuse to | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
drop them out, I met him once, I don't think he remembers, he met me. | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
On balance, some of them were gaps, but put that in perspective of a | :03:52. | :03:57. | |
life's worked, the scales or tipped towards him, he has done lot for | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
this country. We see him there with his MCC tie on yesterday looking at | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
cricket bats, wielded by some of the legends of the game, what I'm not | :04:09. | :04:17. | |
sure is has he been, has he got to 95, reducing his engagements and | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
this is the natural end to his engagements or is this an abrupt | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
end? I've been doing a lot, I'm now not doing anything. You will have to | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
go to the royal experts on Matt, I can't work out why do you announce | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
this now that he's retiring in the autumn and this is only speculation | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
on my behalf, the man is 96, he occasionally fall so, I think they | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
are preparing us for the long, slow withdrawal... He looks pretty good | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
for 95, 96-year-old, standing bolt upright, walks without any aid or | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
assistance am not even a stick. He was in the war and he has carried | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
that war bearing, a senior naval officer, in my younger days I did a | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
couple of royal in India and Pakistan and you see him striding | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
around, lifting children over barriers to get to the Queen. | :05:13. | :05:13. | |
Impressive. There we go. Voters in France will be | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
going to the polls this Sunday There were originally 11 candidates | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
but that was narrowed down to just two in the first-round | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
vote last month. The two remaining candidates | :05:27. | :05:27. | |
are Emmanuel Macron, from the centrist En Marche party, | :05:28. | :05:29. | |
and Marine Le Pen, Neither belonging to the mainstream | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
parties in France. The two candidates clashed | :05:33. | :05:44. | |
on primetime French In a heated exchange, | :05:45. | :05:46. | |
Marine Le Pen accused her rival of being "the candidate | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
of savage globalisation". saying Marine Le Pen was "the high | :05:50. | :05:51. | |
priestess of fear". on major policy areas | :05:52. | :05:58. | |
like the economy, Marine Le Pen is a staunch | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
eurosceptic and she's promised an in-out referendum on France's EU | :06:02. | :06:12. | |
membership within the first six She would need Parliament to agree | :06:13. | :06:15. | |
to that. But Emmanuel Macron is a strong | :06:16. | :06:24. | |
supporter of the EU. On a visit to London last month | :06:25. | :06:27. | |
he said that he would aim to "defend French and European interests" | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
in the Brexit negotiations. with the bookies and the pollsters - | :06:31. | :06:33. | |
but it's thought that around a fifth of French voters | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
are still undecided. Well, here are the two | :06:37. | :06:45. | |
candidates in last It was pretty dramatic television, | :06:46. | :06:47. | |
entertaining and enjoyable. TRANSLATION: Mr Macron | :06:48. | :06:58. | |
is the candidate of globalisation. TRANSLATION: You've shown that | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
you are not the candidate The question is, do the people | :07:02. | :07:13. | |
want your defeatist attitude? You say globalisation | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
is too hard for us. TRANSLATION: The safety | :07:18. | :07:19. | |
of our people and the fight against terror, Islamist extremism, | :07:20. | :07:30. | |
you don't want to take it on. Against terrorism we have | :07:31. | :07:33. | |
to close our borders. And that's what I'll do | :07:34. | :07:42. | |
the moment I take power. TRANSLATION: Closing | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
borders achieves nothing. There are many countries outside | :07:47. | :07:47. | |
the Schengen area which have been hit as hard as us | :07:48. | :07:49. | |
by terrorist attacks. And since 2015 we have put | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
back border controls. That gives you a flavour of the | :07:54. | :08:05. | |
debate which went on for over two hours. | :08:06. | :08:06. | |
Joining me now is Max Begon-Lours from the Front National. | :08:07. | :08:08. | |
We did ask En Marche, that's Emmanuel Macron's | :08:09. | :08:10. | |
party, for an interview - but they said no one was available. | :08:11. | :08:26. | |
But we still have Macs with us. Welcome to the camp -- the country. | :08:27. | :08:34. | |
-- to the programme. Your candidate, we thought it would be a game | :08:35. | :08:36. | |
changer and it wasn't. I think that's a tough assessment of | :08:37. | :08:45. | |
the debate, she wanted to deliver a message that was there has been a | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
big marketing project to present Mr Micron as the candidate for change, | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
a new candidate and this is not true, he has been in government, a | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
member of a socialist party and he hasn't condemned the policies of a | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
socialist government. The message was if you are not happy with the | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
current government, don't put the vote to Macron because you're going | :09:11. | :09:13. | |
to get the same thing for the next five years. I understand that when | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
she came back to that again and again, all the woes of the Francois | :09:17. | :09:22. | |
Hollande government seemed to be laid at the doorstep of Macron by | :09:23. | :09:29. | |
Marine Le Pen but I understand she wanted to paint him as the | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
continuity of an unpopular government candidate, so unpopular | :09:35. | :09:36. | |
Francois Hollande couldn't run again but is cutting through, we see no | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
movement towards her in this campaign. I think you have to look | :09:41. | :09:47. | |
at the electorate. Most people who aren't going to vote, who said they | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
are going to vote for Macron said they won't change their mind, the | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
key message was to change on the side of people. What was important | :09:56. | :09:58. | |
to making the decision. Do you think, she was pretty brutal in | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
personal terms to Mr Macron, he gave as good as he got what if you are | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
trying to get uncommitted voters, maybe vote is closer to the centre, | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
is that kind of approach in a debate really likely to get them? I think | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
she spoke with her heart, she is furry dissatisfied with the policies | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
that are hurting her country, I am as well. A lot of the people were | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
trying to convince our very dissatisfied, they have lost their | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
jobs, health benefits coming down. It was interesting at the start of | :10:35. | :10:41. | |
the debate, her attack on Mr Macron tom on economic policy was from the | :10:42. | :10:47. | |
left. At times she sounded like a rage against capitalism, the banker. | :10:48. | :10:58. | |
You are a banker. The workers, the state, it was a kind of left Wick -- | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
left-wing critique of capitalism. I think she's just reflecting the | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
opinions of the French people on policy. Mr Macron is supporting | :11:08. | :11:14. | |
unrestricted free trade, the offshore moving of French companies, | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
you can't just say it left or right, what is in the best interests of the | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
French people, we are not against capitalism, we think the economy | :11:24. | :11:30. | |
should serve the French people not the French people serving the | :11:31. | :11:33. | |
economy. What did you think of the debate? I know you watched it. I was | :11:34. | :11:40. | |
gripped. Anoraks are also. The best display I've ever seen of passive | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
aggressive smiling from both, when they were calling each other | :11:45. | :11:46. | |
traitors and liars they were both smiling. They allowed cutaways, I | :11:47. | :11:52. | |
know it is a technical thing in a way but that was an innovation in | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
the French presidential debate, to get a split screen. To try and | :11:56. | :12:02. | |
rounded, I think the narrative, when she loses and she will these -- lose | :12:03. | :12:08. | |
by a good 15-20 points, the far right have been halted in their | :12:09. | :12:11. | |
tracks and it's a false narrative, they said it after the Dutch | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
elections, the Dutch far right increased their share. People said | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
this was a failure, this won't be a failure for the front National, they | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
will get this far, Mr Macron will go into power with no MPs, I can't see | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
how he will make a good fist of it over the next five years given the | :12:29. | :12:31. | |
state Francis and and its policies and I think the candidate of this | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
gentleman is far better placed for five years time. Last thing that is | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
so important about this, how to rebrand yourself? With respect to | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
you, I can see you holding me up either throat against a wall but 20 | :12:46. | :12:48. | |
years ago when I used to cover your party, time and again at rallies I | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
would be held up against a wall by thugs in masks demanding to see my | :12:54. | :12:56. | |
passport, and I was a correspondent in Paris. When Marine Le Pen's | :12:57. | :13:05. | |
father would talk about the Holocaust, the detail of the Second | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
World War, you have moved a long way from there and I think it's a | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
brilliant piece of rebranding. How far have you moved? In terms of | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
actuality as opposed to brand, Marine Le Pen decided to step down | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
temporarily as leader of the National front for the rest of the | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
campaign, she chose a man, her stand-in, who is a name EP, he then | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
had to step aside because there were allegations he had questioned, | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
indeed he had questioned the existence of the Nazi gas chambers? | :13:35. | :13:44. | |
People made this allegation. Really? You didn't say, I consider from a | :13:45. | :13:47. | |
technical standpoint it is impossible, I stress impossible to | :13:48. | :13:53. | |
use the Gas the Nazis used in mass extermination? We are suing the | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
people who made this statement for defamation. We know this, he said, | :13:59. | :14:04. | |
he doesn't recall participating in the interview. The Parliamentary | :14:05. | :14:10. | |
elections, in June, they will be important for whoever is President | :14:11. | :14:13. | |
but you don't do well in Parliamentary elections, do you? You | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
rarely get through the second round, you won't get a lot of deputies, a | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
lot of members of the assembly. Look at the French map, how many | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
departments in France, when Marine Le Pen was first, the French | :14:27. | :14:33. | |
constituency where she was ahead of Macron, things have changed a lot. | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
We will see in June, we have more French elections, we cannot get | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
enough of them! Taking up ten's point, is her heart in battling | :14:42. | :14:49. | |
through to Ford will be 2020 to cover the next presidential election | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
because she had a pretty lacklustre campaign for the round one and even | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
last night, she seemed to run out of steam in the final 40-45 minutes. | :14:59. | :15:06. | |
She began round one 26, 27 points in the polls and ended up at 22, Ishii | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
and for the long term? I think she's in for the long term, I'm not privy | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
to what she wants to do. I definitely think she has the skills | :15:16. | :15:18. | |
to do this, look at what she achieved in five years, taking us to | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
the second round with polls showing us at 40%, it's incredible. We are | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
clearly the main opposition now to these policies. We will see. Your | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
final thought, they will be the main opposition in parliament. They want | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
and that is the problem, he had a substantial share of the National | :15:38. | :15:39. | |
boat in France but it doesn't transfer into seats which means the | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
people who think the system is rigged against them will continue to | :15:44. | :15:46. | |
think that, which means the fissures in French society will continue and | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
briefly, I am not accusing you of being a fascist, your party was a | :15:51. | :15:56. | |
fascist party under Marine Le Pen's father, I notice add your | :15:57. | :15:59. | |
headquarters you have black and Arab people, you haven't ditched that | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
tinge of fascism, have you? The media haven't ditched it, which is | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
the argument. We shall see, the results coming through I think, the | :16:10. | :16:14. | |
polls close at 8pm on Sunday night, is that right, French time? We will | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
get the exit polls at 7pm London time. Usually by the second round, | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
they are pretty accurate. Tim has recently written | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
a book about the power and politics of flags, | :16:29. | :16:35. | |
so he should know more about them The question for today | :16:36. | :16:37. | |
is which of these flags is the odd one out, | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
in that it is still the flag Is it a) Union flag with red, | :16:42. | :16:43. | |
white and blue stripes? b) Union flag with red | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
and white hoizontal stripes? c) Defaced red ensign featuring | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
a heraldic shield in the fly? Or d) Defaced light | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
blue ensign featuring At the end of the show Tim will give | :16:59. | :17:00. | |
us the correct answer. I won't. LAUGHTER | :17:01. | :17:17. | |
Or you can send his book back. LAUGHTER | :17:18. | :17:19. | |
Over the past three years the activities of the extremist | :17:20. | :17:22. | |
group so-called Islamic State, has made many headlines. | :17:23. | :17:24. | |
But is their reign of terror coming to an end? | :17:25. | :17:26. | |
The group has now lost much of the territory it once | :17:27. | :17:29. | |
In a moment we'll hear from Tim but first Emma Vardy takes a look | :17:30. | :17:38. | |
... The city of Mosul and rapidly advanced to the capital Baghdad. At | :17:39. | :17:58. | |
its peak ices controlled half of Syria and large parts of Iraq. -- | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
ices controlled for the timid in people were living under their | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
control. The jihadists claimed they had a caliphate and Brislington | :18:08. | :18:17. | |
renamed themselves Islamic State. Kurdish fighters recaptured the | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
northern Syrian town of Kobani in 2015 and since then Kurdish led | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
forces have driven IS out of thousands of square kilometres of | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
northern Syria. At the end of 2014, they have this mission statement of | :18:33. | :18:35. | |
remaining and expanding, that was their mantra, but now they not | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
remaining and they are certainly not expanding. Their fundamental | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
elements to their success in 2014 have been challenged and how they | :18:45. | :18:50. | |
continue to adapt under this coalition is a huge question. The | :18:51. | :18:56. | |
current focus of the battle in Iraq is the control of Mosul, the | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
jihadists last major stronghold, the eastern half of the city has now | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
been liberated but taking Western Mosul is expected to be tough with | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
more densely populated districts. As IS has lost key cities and other | :19:11. | :19:17. | |
crucial factors have been the loss of funding. The maximum amount of | :19:18. | :19:26. | |
money that was earned by Isis was $2 billion coming from oil and | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
extortion and confiscations. And now we believe their funding has dogged | :19:31. | :19:38. | |
by -- dropped by about 50% and they have lost access to Keira fine | :19:39. | :19:44. | |
arrays and they can't tax their large population centres that they | :19:45. | :19:47. | |
had previously -- lost access to key oil refineries. The drone strikes | :19:48. | :19:55. | |
have also led to the deaths of key IS figures. | :19:56. | :20:06. | |
Can't post a serious threat to the UK, according to a Parliamentary | :20:07. | :20:19. | |
report -- Khan posed. There is expected to be a bloody battle for | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
Raqqa in the coming months. Black flags are not flying as high as they | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
used to, such as here, which was taken back from IS in the past week. | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
Many smaller villages have also been liberated from their control, but | :20:34. | :20:36. | |
those on the ground said defeating IS in the more populated towns and | :20:37. | :20:44. | |
cities is much slower work. I spoke to a journalist from northern Syria | :20:45. | :20:48. | |
yesterday afternoon and he described how IS resource into ever more | :20:49. | :20:57. | |
brutal tactics. In small villages IS fighters are not showing any | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
resistance, because if they did, they will give coordinates and they | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
will bomb the area directly, but it is different regarding big towns and | :21:10. | :21:12. | |
cities. IS has now lost more than half the | :21:13. | :21:33. | |
ground it once held. But the battle to eradicate the group will continue | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
to result in many lives being lost on all sides. Fighting groups on the | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
ground in conjunction with air strikes from the United States led | :21:43. | :21:53. | |
coalition will make sure there are areas continue to diminish, but what | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
is next clear is what comes next. -- make sure there are areas continue | :21:58. | :22:06. | |
to diminish. The caliphate is still there, why? Because they have not | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
put ground troops in and they are relying on the Kurds to do it and | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
they will do it. In answer to the question, are they willing, no, | :22:17. | :22:19. | |
because they are losing these battles but they are not losing the | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
war. They will lose the rest of Mosul this year, and they will | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
probably lose Raqqa by this time next year, and Raqqa is very | :22:29. | :22:35. | |
important because it has been spoken at the end of days will happen when | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
the black flags disappear. They have done what Al-Qaeda have never did, | :22:41. | :22:43. | |
they have taken territory and held it to create the caliphate. They | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
have made themselves the big boys, but they are going to lose. But the | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
ideology that underpins them and Al-Qaeda and others is not lost. | :22:53. | :22:58. | |
They will scatter into Afghanistan and other countries, into the weaker | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
areas of China, and we will see an outbreak of violence in many of | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
those places and in Europe. They will continue to recruit. The | :23:06. | :23:10. | |
ongoing battle which is generational because the ideology is still | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
embedded in enough people to make it a massive threat. So they are losing | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
the people, but the war is ongoing which we will find out over the | :23:20. | :23:25. | |
generations. Tens of thousands of troops had been deployed to Mosul | :23:26. | :23:29. | |
and they have been backed by Allied British and American and other | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
special forces and air power. And yet it has taken a long while. I | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
remember people said it won't be over by Christmas, meeting last | :23:40. | :23:42. | |
year, but it probably will be over not long after that, and it is still | :23:43. | :23:49. | |
not over. I'm no military expert but I never thought that. I think maybe | :23:50. | :23:56. | |
by this time next year they will be pushed out of Raqqa and even then | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
there is a problem. If the Kurds go there, that's not a Kurdish area, | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
that is a Sunni area and that will cause problems. We're not talking | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
about the American overwhelming firepower, even though they have it. | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
But they are not flattening everything and Mosul is the most | :24:14. | :24:19. | |
populous city in Iraq. So you can either fats push them out and take | :24:20. | :24:26. | |
400,000 civilian casualties or go street by street and take several | :24:27. | :24:29. | |
thousand civilian casualties. That is what is happening. It is awful | :24:30. | :24:36. | |
and bloody but this is part of the war and Isis is going to lose it but | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
another group called Isis Mach two will be there in a couple of years. | :24:42. | :24:49. | |
-- mark. President Trump said defeating Isis would be his top | :24:50. | :24:52. | |
priority. Well, he said a lot of things. Do you discern any change in | :24:53. | :24:58. | |
policy towards Islamic State from America? Not really. There was wild | :24:59. | :25:05. | |
speculation that he was going to put 300,000 ground troops in, but that | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
was nonsense. So far there have been extra special forces into Jordan and | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
into Syria, and they are ramping up and I would not rule out more going, | :25:16. | :25:21. | |
and they are also now floated to the front lines. There was a casualties | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
last week, I think. I don't think the United States really cares about | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
Syria. It is not as important for them strategically and they are far | :25:33. | :25:35. | |
more concerned about what is happening in the South China Sea and | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
other parts of the world. We will leave it there, Tim, thank you for | :25:40. | :25:41. | |
that. Now - there's one story that the BBC | :25:42. | :25:44. | |
won't be reporting today - and that's the general election | :25:45. | :25:47. | |
campaign. That's because voters in most parts | :25:48. | :25:48. | |
of the UK are going to the polls for the local elections - | :25:49. | :25:51. | |
and there are strict rules about how the broadcasters can report | :25:52. | :25:54. | |
politics on polling day. But we can tell you what elections | :25:55. | :25:56. | |
are happening today: The local elections are currently | :25:57. | :25:59. | |
underway in England, The polls opened at 7 this | :26:00. | :26:01. | |
morning and they close In England, there are elections | :26:02. | :26:08. | |
for 34 councils, with 2,370 There are also eight mayoral | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
elections in England, with voters going to the polls | :26:13. | :26:22. | |
in the West Midlands, Greater Manchester, Doncaster, | :26:23. | :26:25. | |
North Tyneside and elsewhere. In Scotland, every seat in all 32 | :26:26. | :26:26. | |
councils is up for election. And it's the same in Wales - | :26:27. | :26:35. | |
every seat in the 22 Welsh councils The Daily Politics | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
is off-air tomorrow. But do tune in to BBC Two from 9am, | :26:40. | :26:47. | |
where Huw Edwards will be bringing you all the results | :26:48. | :26:50. | |
and analysis in a special local Now - the former leader | :26:51. | :26:53. | |
of the English Defence League, Tommy Robinson, raided the offices | :26:54. | :27:00. | |
of the anti-extremism think-tank, Quilliam, earlier this week claiming | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
that one of the organisation's authors had labelled him | :27:06. | :27:14. | |
a 'white supremicist'. Quilliam ejected Mr Robinson | :27:15. | :27:15. | |
and the cameraman who was with him and have made a complaint | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
to the police. We'll be talking to Tommy | :27:20. | :27:22. | |
Robinson and Haras Rafiq First here's footage of the incident | :27:23. | :27:24. | |
filmed for the online So today we are going | :27:25. | :27:27. | |
to an organisation called Quilliam. And the reason I'm going there | :27:28. | :27:34. | |
is one of their leading researchers, a lady called Julia, | :27:35. | :27:36. | |
she wrote an article yesterday in The Guardian where she declares | :27:37. | :27:39. | |
I'm a white supremacist. So you haven't got an appointment? | :27:40. | :27:41. | |
No. OK. | :27:42. | :27:44. | |
So do you mind coming this way? Come on. | :27:45. | :27:46. | |
Yeah. Do you mind if I ask why I'm | :27:47. | :27:50. | |
a white supremacist? I did not say that you were | :27:51. | :28:03. | |
a white supremacist. No, I did not. | :28:04. | :28:05. | |
You can read the exact article. Come on, Julia. | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
to break his camera? And Haras Rafiq, the Chief Executive | :28:10. | :28:19. | |
of Quilliam joins us now, Mr Robinson. You often complain that | :28:20. | :28:31. | |
you arbitrate as much more extreme than you say you are, but is | :28:32. | :28:36. | |
bursting into an office like that, and ending in a fracas, helps in the | :28:37. | :28:41. | |
image you want to portray? The doors were open and I was very polite and | :28:42. | :28:51. | |
I walked with once -- one cameraman. Bearing in mind that the lady called | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
me a white supremacist. This is about people who support me, working | :28:57. | :28:59. | |
class people at home who have been pigeonholed as extremists and | :29:00. | :29:02. | |
racists and far right when they are not. They have genuine concerns and | :29:03. | :29:11. | |
right STUDIO: -- euro they have genuine concerns and fears. | :29:12. | :29:18. | |
Should you be on the side of Quilliam? If they are what they say | :29:19. | :29:32. | |
they are. Why are they named after Quilliam? They need to be named | :29:33. | :29:41. | |
after a true reformer. They do a lot of work to promote moderation. Only | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
people in that office who wear certain ties are allowed to have an | :29:47. | :29:49. | |
opinion and everyone else is called a far right extremist. You have | :29:50. | :29:54. | |
attended rallies and you have tweeted endorsements of groups like | :29:55. | :30:00. | |
Britain first. I have reported on a demonstration by Britain first and I | :30:01. | :30:03. | |
have also done that for Muslim demonstrations. The reason I'm | :30:04. | :30:08. | |
going, because the truth is not being related to the people at home. | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
The mainstream media, they are all reporting fake news and they are | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
lying to people. Quilliam, they have lied to people but when the video | :30:20. | :30:24. | |
goes online, it shows what happens, I was not bullying and intimidating. | :30:25. | :30:31. | |
You were trespassing. There was an open door and I walked into the | :30:32. | :30:34. | |
office. We should be talking about what that lady said. I will come to | :30:35. | :30:42. | |
that in a minute. You retweeted a Britain first video about fake news | :30:43. | :30:49. | |
and media lies, and that does associate you with extremist groups. | :30:50. | :30:55. | |
I also retweeted an article on Isis which wish showing the facts about | :30:56. | :31:00. | |
them and that is not associated me with them -- which was. It is the | :31:01. | :31:06. | |
facts as seen by a hard right group. I'm not here to talk about me for | :31:07. | :31:13. | |
top and to talk about the demonisation of people like me. This | :31:14. | :31:18. | |
has gone on for ten years. It's not fair. | :31:19. | :31:24. | |
On this Guardian comment piece, you effectively called him fight | :31:25. | :31:32. | |
supremacist. Let me clarify, the position on Tommy further he is a | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
supremacist or not, Tommy knows me, he has been to my house, he knows my | :31:38. | :31:41. | |
family, he knows I am not someone with a vendor against him and he | :31:42. | :31:45. | |
knows what I stand for so I'm surprised as Chief Executive he says | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
Quilliam stands for something else. The position is not that Tommy is a | :31:50. | :31:55. | |
fight supremacist. An article was written by someone, I wasn't... A | :31:56. | :32:00. | |
senior researcher... The process needs to be change that I get | :32:01. | :32:03. | |
everything out. Did you not that this? I did not. Can I let our | :32:04. | :32:08. | |
viewers know what was said. What this woman wrote for the Guardian, | :32:09. | :32:15. | |
the far right has moved from the fringe into the mainstream. It | :32:16. | :32:18. | |
demonstrates massive support that fight supremacist and movements have | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
attracted, there online followership also does cars Tommy Robinson's | :32:23. | :32:30. | |
Twitter account as has almost the same number as Theresa May. Although | :32:31. | :32:36. | |
she didn't write Tommy Robinson is a fight supremacist it would be hard | :32:37. | :32:42. | |
to come to any other conclusion when you read the logic, the chronology | :32:43. | :32:51. | |
of that article. OK, let me again reiterate the position, Tommy | :32:52. | :32:54. | |
Robinson is not a fight supremacist as far as Quilliam is concerned. | :32:55. | :32:58. | |
Tommy could have rang me and we could have sorted this out, but we | :32:59. | :33:03. | |
are for we are and we will sort this out. I have spoken to the author, | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
the article was not meant to say he is a fight supremacist, it could | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
have been worded better, absolutely, according to her it was meant to say | :33:12. | :33:16. | |
that Tommy has followers as many organisations do who are not fight | :33:17. | :33:19. | |
supremacist and will attract people who are white supremacists because | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
sometimes they will feel attracted to a message, not necessarily his | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
fault... It was clumsily worded. I think it should have been worded | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
differently and my reading that was not to say that Tommy is a white | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
supremacist. He said live on network television he doesn't think you are | :33:37. | :33:41. | |
a white supremacist. Everyone knows I am not fight supremacist, this was | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
assigned to... It is not just about me, it's about people who support | :33:47. | :33:50. | |
me, it's frustrating, I meet people in the street who don't like me and | :33:51. | :33:53. | |
they don't not fight they don't like me, I get attacked regularly and | :33:54. | :33:56. | |
when I get down to talking to them, one person, I went to his house, | :33:57. | :34:01. | |
everything he thought I stood for I didn't stand for and that's because | :34:02. | :34:04. | |
of articles like this, fake news. For I come back to you, do you | :34:05. | :34:10. | |
accept what he now says? Because his Medicare, he doesn't think what the | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
article implies. There is no way that article was not written to | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
imply that, that was wrote to... It says the far right dehumanises | :34:21. | :34:24. | |
Muslims, exactly what she has done to me, she humanised me as standing | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
for something I'm not. I've made the official position of Quilliam | :34:30. | :34:34. | |
officially clear, I and Chief Executive, Julia is not. Am I an | :34:35. | :34:40. | |
extremist? I have never called you an extremist. I didn't read any of | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
us, all of these things, these are lies. From local government | :34:46. | :34:50. | |
funded... First of all it is not government funded and that is a lie | :34:51. | :34:55. | |
and you know it isn't. Number two, breaking into, going into an office | :34:56. | :35:01. | |
on and fight it, being asked to leave, trespassing for a political | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
grievance is political extremism. It is. By definition it is. And | :35:06. | :35:15. | |
secondly, emulating tactics that Britain first and other | :35:16. | :35:17. | |
organisations use sets a dangerous precedent. Emulating | :35:18. | :35:20. | |
emulating tactics emulating tactics of owing, these people, there were | :35:21. | :35:32. | |
people in the office yesterday, women who have never met Tommy who | :35:33. | :35:36. | |
were genuinely scared. Genuinely scared because of the lies that | :35:37. | :35:41. | |
people like... They were scared because you and cameramen came in | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
and you were forcing a microphone uninvited, unexpected into some of's | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
face on private property and the point is, had you rang me and I | :35:51. | :35:54. | |
called you, and it's on the video, I said wait for me, it's on the video, | :35:55. | :35:58. | |
people can see it, please let me finish, is said to you very calmly | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
and I say it again now, the offer is there to sort this out, I say to you | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
calmly on the phone I am in a meeting, you have travelled all the | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
way down from Luton, there is a copy shop nearby, wait for me. Hundreds | :36:10. | :36:14. | |
of thousands of people through the Guardian have read this article but | :36:15. | :36:18. | |
says this... You wanted sorted? We will sorted. But we wouldn't be | :36:19. | :36:25. | |
having this conversation... Afterwards,... This was a pretty | :36:26. | :36:29. | |
good publicity stunt. Imagine, I had to ring up and use a fake name to | :36:30. | :36:37. | |
get only radio show. What he said afterwards, I wouldn't have taken | :36:38. | :36:40. | |
the call if I knew it was Tommy Robinson, do I expect he will sit | :36:41. | :36:44. | |
down and talk to me? I am the Chief Executive of Quilliam, you know | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
that, I have had you at my house. I want to bring in Tim Marshall, he | :36:49. | :36:55. | |
will be the umpire. Let me ask you, you say you are not an extremist, | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
what were you an extremist? I've never been an extremist, ever. Were | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
you not a member of the DMP? We've gone through this. We've done this. | :37:05. | :37:10. | |
Rent you a member at one stage? I was a member when I joined because | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
of what was happening in 2009. You were extras? I wasn't. I was 21 | :37:16. | :37:22. | |
years old and I joined an organisation... While we are on | :37:23. | :37:31. | |
subject, justice for Chelsea .com, people need to sign into that | :37:32. | :37:36. | |
because English girls across the country are being raped... You | :37:37. | :37:38. | |
cannot use us for that. Let me correct something. ... Is not in | :37:39. | :37:49. | |
jail for terrorism... Tim Marshall, you'd been listening to this, you | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
know the issues. What's your view? I've followed both organisations for | :37:55. | :37:56. | |
many years, I've seen ten minutes you put on on your TV channel | :37:57. | :38:04. | |
online. And I have to say this is the way to sort things out. And | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
quite encouraged by this and I can see that you don't think this man is | :38:10. | :38:14. | |
a white supremacist, nor do I. I'm not going to see a -- say a plague | :38:15. | :38:19. | |
on both your houses because I get for you are both coming from. You've | :38:20. | :38:23. | |
framed it in class terms and I understand that the cause I have | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
some sympathy for the view that the moment you come out with a | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
working-class voice people stop listening to what you are saying, | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
they listened to the accident and not the words, that is part of the | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
problem with people sneering Brexit borders. By frame it -- I know for | :38:41. | :38:47. | |
you are coming from. You said to Jeremy Paxman, your kids don't go to | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
the school were my kids go. We are running out of time. But... This is | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
not trying to be patronising but it's not the way to do things, you | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
did barge into an office, a place of work, you did shove cameras, your | :39:02. | :39:07. | |
guys need media training, don't put your hand on the camera. The big | :39:08. | :39:11. | |
problem is lies in the national media. That is a point you made | :39:12. | :39:19. | |
several times. We will leave there, thank you both for being with us. | :39:20. | :39:23. | |
Now - since 7/7 the the threat from Islamist inspired terrorism has | :39:24. | :39:26. | |
been ever-present and the threat level in the UK remains at severe. | :39:27. | :39:29. | |
Despite subsequent loss of life thankfully most | :39:30. | :39:31. | |
plots have been thwarted, not least thanks to the expertise | :39:32. | :39:33. | |
Adam visited the Security and Anti Terror Expo in west London | :39:34. | :39:37. | |
where some of that expertise was on display. | :39:38. | :39:44. | |
250 companies are exhibiting and over the next two days 10,000 | :39:45. | :39:47. | |
But if you ain't a security industry professional you ain't getting in. | :39:48. | :39:55. | |
So come through the world's first ballistic protected shutter to see | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
Celebrities if they want to have it on their house. | :39:59. | :40:15. | |
How much would one of these cost me if I wanted to protect | :40:16. | :40:18. | |
How about an EU funded project that uses virtual reality to whisk | :40:19. | :40:26. | |
What am I doing, I'm looking for someone with a suspicious bag? | :40:27. | :40:31. | |
Sorry, excuse me, I'm opening the bag. | :40:32. | :40:34. | |
It's actually a parachute that turns into a boat. | :40:35. | :40:42. | |
For dogs that jump out of helicopters. | :40:43. | :40:45. | |
But, as the goodies go high-tech, the baddies are going low. | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
Bob Broadhurst ran the police operation for the 2012 Olympics. | :40:51. | :40:53. | |
All you need is a car, a knife or a gun. | :40:54. | :40:58. | |
And I think that's where the current trend is looking towards. | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
Moving away from the technicalities of making a bomb and delivering it | :41:04. | :41:06. | |
in a vehicle or a plane, to anybody in this room | :41:07. | :41:09. | |
being a potential terrorist, and that is a huge challenge. | :41:10. | :41:12. | |
Not just for the people at events like this, | :41:13. | :41:14. | |
So this event is as much about sharing expertise | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
And we're joined now by the former head of the Metropolitan Police | :41:19. | :41:27. | |
anti-terrorism command, Richard Walton. | :41:28. | :41:33. | |
Welcome to the programme. This technology making a difference in | :41:34. | :41:39. | |
the counterterrorism efforts that we have to make? As we have seen in | :41:40. | :41:43. | |
your clip there, obviously there are terrorist attacks have link with | :41:44. | :41:48. | |
very unsophisticated, the one that happened in Westminster was probably | :41:49. | :41:51. | |
the least sophisticated you can possibly imagine, each others | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
doesn't have a car and a kitchen knife... And the same in Nice and | :41:57. | :42:02. | |
Berlin. Nevertheless, terrorists learn from experience, we know they | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
are using technology overseas, for instance, Islamic State are using | :42:08. | :42:14. | |
drum technologies, they index -- developing drum capabilities and we | :42:15. | :42:17. | |
need to be aware of where the threat is going because the threat is | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
constantly changing. Although we've had low-level attack she wouldn't | :42:23. | :42:26. | |
rule out the use of technology by the terrorists that we need to | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
counteract? Absolutely not done they think this is what this expo is | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
about, it's about thinking about the wider threats, for it these threats | :42:36. | :42:38. | |
could go next, there is a lot of concern around cyber terrorism, we | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
haven't seen it yet but of course we know there is intent, we know | :42:44. | :42:46. | |
Islamic State, if they could, weaponised using chemical and | :42:47. | :42:50. | |
biological weapons they would do so, it's wise and sensible to get | :42:51. | :42:54. | |
professionals together across a range of disciplines to talk about | :42:55. | :42:57. | |
these issues and look at the counter measures you can put in place to | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
mitigate those threats. I'm told Britain is pretty good at this sort | :43:02. | :43:05. | |
of stuff in the sense that we are at the cutting edge of quite a lot of | :43:06. | :43:08. | |
developments. Is that related to the fact that long before we had to deal | :43:09. | :43:15. | |
with Islamist terrorism we had 30 years of the IRA? Sure, when I | :43:16. | :43:20. | |
standard -- started on counterterrorism in 1989 there were | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
six officers dealing with counterterrorism at one desk, fun I | :43:25. | :43:27. | |
left there were 6000 dealing with international terrorism, now there | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
is six I understand the link with the Irish terror threat on the | :43:33. | :43:34. | |
mainland but more across Northern Ireland. The terrorism threat is | :43:35. | :43:41. | |
constantly changing. In the end, you need, it's the old-fashioned talking | :43:42. | :43:44. | |
to people, shoe leather, the Pops from the local community, the | :43:45. | :43:50. | |
heightened sense of vigilance, all below text I would think still | :43:51. | :43:55. | |
matters. A key plank of the British counterterrorism strategy is | :43:56. | :43:59. | |
absolutely that, engagement, prevent strategy, getting people to come | :44:00. | :44:02. | |
forward, encouraging the Muslim community to talk to officials and | :44:03. | :44:05. | |
police and to a large extent, that's worked. Look at the last three | :44:06. | :44:11. | |
years, talking about 15 disrupted plots, regrettably, one got through | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
in Westminster. It would have been hard to detect, in Westminster. An | :44:16. | :44:20. | |
individual who apparently had no connection with other terrorists | :44:21. | :44:23. | |
overseas, but we are aware of, incredibly difficult to disrupt | :44:24. | :44:26. | |
those kind of plots but I think we need to be and put it into | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
perspective, in the same time period we've seen plenty attacks in France, | :44:31. | :44:37. | |
five in Germany, and the French themselves have stopped a lot. A | :44:38. | :44:42. | |
number of victims and small ones get through. Two disrupted attacks in | :44:43. | :44:48. | |
France in the last two weeks, the threat continues, I agree with Tim's | :44:49. | :44:51. | |
assessment earlier on, once the physical camel -- caliphate in | :44:52. | :44:56. | |
Islamic State is defeated and let's hope that happen soon, the virtual | :44:57. | :45:00. | |
caliphate if you like, the way the ideology can be spread through | :45:01. | :45:04. | |
social media in particular, will interview and we need to work harder | :45:05. | :45:08. | |
on digital radicalisation and taking of the websites, some of the | :45:09. | :45:11. | |
material on this radicalising youth. That brings us full circle, that's | :45:12. | :45:13. | |
for a technology comes. Thank you. Now, once upon a time if you wanted | :45:14. | :45:21. | |
to know the thinking of a foreign government you may have had to wait | :45:22. | :45:24. | |
months for an envoy's letter If you were curious | :45:25. | :45:28. | |
about the innermost thoughts of a foreign head of state, | :45:29. | :45:32. | |
well, you'd have to ask your But nowadays you can put | :45:33. | :45:35. | |
the cloak-and-dagger away and simply Never before has the world seen | :45:36. | :45:40. | |
someone with as much power as Donald Trump also be willing | :45:41. | :45:43. | |
to tweet about how it We thought we'd take a look | :45:44. | :45:46. | |
back at some of the US President's greatest hits | :45:47. | :45:53. | |
on the platform over the years - with a little help from | :45:54. | :45:56. | |
impressionist Lewis Macleod. Just when the newspaper editor has | :45:57. | :45:58. | |
the headlines ready, I It's just awfully good that someone | :45:59. | :46:09. | |
with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law | :46:10. | :46:27. | |
in our country. Politicians are all | :46:28. | :46:29. | |
talk and no action. Washington can only be | :46:30. | :46:37. | |
fixed by an outsider. You've called women you don't | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
like fat pigs, dogs, I refuse to call | :46:42. | :47:00. | |
Megyn Kelly a bimbo. Because that would not be | :47:01. | :47:08. | |
politically correct. Instead I will only call her | :47:09. | :47:11. | |
a lightweight reporter. A great movement is verified | :47:12. | :47:13. | |
and crooked opponents try to belittle our | :47:14. | :47:31. | |
victory with fake news. BBC. | :47:32. | :47:33. | |
Here's another beauty. Many people have said I'm | :47:34. | :47:44. | |
the world's greatest writer of 140 It's War and Peace, right | :47:45. | :47:46. | |
there, 140 characters. You know, to send a tweet, birdsong, | :47:47. | :47:53. | |
it's the same thing. I can't do it, but my | :47:54. | :47:55. | |
words are great. You know, starlings, | :47:56. | :48:02. | |
chaffinches, eagles. A bit heavy on your shoulder | :48:03. | :48:07. | |
when they land on you. Lewis Macleod, there, | :48:08. | :48:13. | |
who occasionally deputises for the President in the radio | :48:14. | :48:25. | |
programme Dead Ringers. We're joined now by | :48:26. | :48:27. | |
the journalist Peter Oborne. He's written a book | :48:28. | :48:29. | |
examining every single one Why did you put yourself through | :48:30. | :48:43. | |
this? This is what explains how he became President of the United | :48:44. | :48:45. | |
States of America. You think it is that important? That is what he | :48:46. | :48:52. | |
says. Is that true? He invented a new political language. It was a | :48:53. | :48:58. | |
very very significant thing. Very often the case that a new political | :48:59. | :49:04. | |
force comes to a new medium. Reza felt and his -- Reza felt -- Teddy | :49:05. | :49:17. | |
Roosevelt and his fireside chats. JFK and TV, he was the first to | :49:18. | :49:22. | |
really understand TV. It is the awful truth, President Trump was the | :49:23. | :49:29. | |
first to grip Twitter, that was the medium which gave him his fullest | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
expression. And allowed him to escape the evil mainstream media. | :49:35. | :49:38. | |
And speak directly to voters and his followers. Exactly so. And mediated, | :49:39. | :49:46. | |
which is the aim of all political dictators. -- not mediated. You get | :49:47. | :49:55. | |
in the way sometimes, Andrew! It was very simple, message which cannot be | :49:56. | :49:59. | |
contradicted, brutal, very funny sometimes. What do we glean about Mr | :50:00. | :50:11. | |
Trump? What have you concluded? Quite a serious thing. Of course. He | :50:12. | :50:19. | |
is funny, he's brilliant, but also he's much more sinister than I | :50:20. | :50:24. | |
realised. I tended to think that he was a buffoon, right wing buffoon, | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
and we have plenty of those everywhere, but if you read through | :50:29. | :50:33. | |
this, the links with very sinister far right movements, there is one | :50:34. | :50:38. | |
which he retweeted, white genocide, and I felt ashamed even to open it. | :50:39. | :50:45. | |
When was that? About two years ago. You open it and go through to very | :50:46. | :50:48. | |
sophisticated Adolf Hitler propaganda. Did you know what he was | :50:49. | :50:54. | |
doing? Do you give him the benefit of the doubt? There were links... | :50:55. | :51:05. | |
Ross Limbo, he's extremely nasty. Radio shock jock? Yes. The | :51:06. | :51:13. | |
conspiracy theorists, anti-vaccine, the birth conspiracies. These are | :51:14. | :51:19. | |
things he retweets? And actually plays with and entertains them and | :51:20. | :51:25. | |
gives them space. Is there a change. He was doing this when he wasn't | :51:26. | :51:29. | |
president. Before he was running, as well. Is he more careful now? Yeah, | :51:30. | :51:36. | |
I think years. Now that he's in the White House, much of the more rancid | :51:37. | :51:41. | |
anti-Muslim staff has gone. He did that before? Very ugly. About | :51:42. | :51:51. | |
Muslims. Yeah. What do you make of it? We are going to look back at | :51:52. | :51:56. | |
this as historians and this is the first president to get the new | :51:57. | :51:59. | |
medium. Twitter is a shorthand for the new medium. I watched the White | :52:00. | :52:07. | |
House press briefings with Sean Spicer, directly through the White | :52:08. | :52:11. | |
House website, and I don't watch it from the 24-hour news channels. I | :52:12. | :52:17. | |
watched the feed and he has got that, that people now go round it. | :52:18. | :52:22. | |
Regarding Twitter, I love to say I told you, I said a couple of years | :52:23. | :52:27. | |
ago that he is not a buffoon. You have got to listen with EE of the | :52:28. | :52:30. | |
Pittsburgh steel worker. -- and listen with EE. And he has now | :52:31. | :52:37. | |
started to come down. I think he is dangerous and sinister and deeply on | :52:38. | :52:41. | |
present and he's using 21st century technology with a bold ideology, but | :52:42. | :52:47. | |
he remains not as dangerous as most people think -- with a 20th-century | :52:48. | :52:54. | |
ideology. Some people thought he would stop when he got into the | :52:55. | :52:58. | |
White House. The tone might have changed, but he still sees this as a | :52:59. | :53:03. | |
weapon in his media wars. He promised he would stop, but he has | :53:04. | :53:09. | |
actually continued. And it got worse. These tweets at 3am, the | :53:10. | :53:19. | |
mixture of bruised ego about celebrity and game shows with | :53:20. | :53:25. | |
threats of world War three, all mingling into aid arranged cocktail. | :53:26. | :53:31. | |
-- into a torrential sub you would think he had more on his mind. Well, | :53:32. | :53:37. | |
he's not a deep thinker. Now if you like trumpet fanfares | :53:38. | :53:43. | |
and ceremonial costumes, you'll love this item, | :53:44. | :53:51. | |
because while we have been on air the proclamation summoning | :53:52. | :53:54. | |
a new UK Parliament, which was signed by the Queen | :53:55. | :53:56. | |
yesterday afternoon, Whereas we and by and with | :53:57. | :53:58. | |
the advice of our Privy Council. Being desirous and resolved, as soon | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
as may be to meet our people, and to have their | :54:04. | :54:07. | |
advice in Parliament. The proclamation arrived in | :54:08. | :54:19. | |
Edinburgh and the cameras were there to witness the event. It was the | :54:20. | :54:24. | |
summons of a new parliament for the 13th of June. | :54:25. | :54:26. | |
And we can talk to someone now who was involved in that parade - | :54:27. | :54:29. | |
the Rothesay Herald of Arms, Sir Crispin Agnew of Lochnaw | :54:30. | :54:32. | |
What was the purpose of today's pageantry? The purpose of a | :54:33. | :54:50. | |
proclamation is to announce from the cross where people use together, any | :54:51. | :54:57. | |
ball news which is important for the kingdom -- where people used to | :54:58. | :55:02. | |
gather together, any oil news. Proclamation was the best way of | :55:03. | :55:07. | |
getting royal news out to all the boroughs in Scotland. We maintain | :55:08. | :55:14. | |
that addition to this day in respect, used be dissolutions of | :55:15. | :55:19. | |
Parliament and the calling of new parliaments and also for announcing | :55:20. | :55:24. | |
the succession of Nick and calling coronation and so on. -- succession | :55:25. | :55:32. | |
of a monarch. We are now historically more limited and the | :55:33. | :55:35. | |
most common ones are in relation to Parliament as happens today. The | :55:36. | :55:41. | |
Queen issued this in London, but you proclaimed this in Edinburgh. Are | :55:42. | :55:45. | |
there other parts of the country where this is proclaimed? The City | :55:46. | :55:53. | |
of London, Cryer reads the proclamation in the City of London | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
and the Lord line reads it in Scotland. Until the last couple, the | :56:00. | :56:05. | |
Scottish one was always five days after the London one, because that | :56:06. | :56:10. | |
was how long it took for the horse to get from London to Edinburgh with | :56:11. | :56:16. | |
the proclamation. People used to say that Scottish MPs when title to five | :56:17. | :56:20. | |
days extirpate because Parliament had not been dissolved in Scotland | :56:21. | :56:25. | |
-- five days extirpate. Until we read the proclamation. Did it all go | :56:26. | :56:33. | |
well today? It went like clockwork? Yes, everything went very well, we | :56:34. | :56:36. | |
had a shorter time to get the ceremony together. The army turned | :56:37. | :56:42. | |
up and did their part very well. It is a great privilege to take part in | :56:43. | :56:48. | |
these ceremonials. We know it is a busy day. Thanks for joining us. So | :56:49. | :57:00. | |
resplendent, as well. We have had Mori action to the announcement that | :57:01. | :57:04. | |
Prince Philip is stepping down from his public engagements in the autumn | :57:05. | :57:10. | |
-- mort reaction. He has dedicated his life to public service and to | :57:11. | :57:13. | |
supporting the Queen. He has more than earned his retirement. Prince | :57:14. | :57:18. | |
Philip, as well as the support he is given the Queen and his own public | :57:19. | :57:21. | |
service, has done an amazing amount of charity work, especially to the | :57:22. | :57:26. | |
Duke of Edinburgh awards which in Scotland has helped millions of | :57:27. | :57:35. | |
young people. I think he is the one who has gone about his public | :57:36. | :57:38. | |
engagements with a sense of humour and people will be appreciative of | :57:39. | :57:44. | |
what he has done and will wish you all the best for a happy and | :57:45. | :57:48. | |
peaceful retirement. -- will wish him. You can keep abreast of all of | :57:49. | :57:52. | |
that on BBC News. There's just time before we go | :57:53. | :57:54. | |
to find out the answer to our quiz. The question was which of these | :57:55. | :57:57. | |
flags is the odd one out, in that it is still the flag | :57:58. | :58:01. | |
of a sovereign nation. You can see them all there. Tim, | :58:02. | :58:14. | |
which one? I thought if I could speak slowly enough we would run out | :58:15. | :58:19. | |
of time. One of those is Hawaii and I think the nation state one is the | :58:20. | :58:26. | |
bottom right. You are right. That is the Fiji flag and that is still the | :58:27. | :58:30. | |
flag of the nation state. Well done. The one o'clock news is starting | :58:31. | :58:37. | |
over on BBC One now. I will be back tonight | :58:38. | :58:42. | |
with Michael Portillo, Lisa Nandy, Lionel Barber, | :58:43. | :58:43. | |
Adrian Chiles, Miranda Green and the comedian Simon Evans | :58:44. | :58:47. | |
on This Week from 1145. We are making way for rolling | :58:48. | :58:52. | |
election coverage tomorrow | :58:53. | :58:57. |