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Afternoon folks and welcome to the Daily Politics.


The final two contenders for the French Presidency go head


to head in a heated and - at times - ill-tempered debate.


Who will take the crown in Sunday's election?


Tommy Robinson takes on the anti-extremism think tank,


Quilliam over claims he's on the far right.


The kit that's keeping us safe from the threat of terrorism -


can technology help us win the war?


And what do Donald Trump's tweets tell us about what makes


Fake news, a sorry state. All fake news. You a fake news. BBC. He's


another beauty! Never quite thought of the BBC as a


beauty, but there you go, we will take it in the literal sense.


All that in the next hour and with us for the duration today


is the foreign affairs analyst Tim Marshall.


He used to work for a broadcaster called Sky News -


now he's much more famous as the editor of a blog called


First this morning, Buckingham Palace have announced


that Prince Philip is to stand down from public duties in the Autumn.


The Prince, who is now 95, will continue his involvement


with over 780 organisations although he will no longer


play an active role by attending engagements.


In the last hour the Prime Minister has reacted


On behalf of the whole country I want to offer our deepest


gratitude and good wishes to His Royal Highness


the Duke of Edinburgh following the announcement


that he will stand down from public duties in the autumn.


For his steadfast support for Her Majesty The Queen to his


inspirational Duke of Edinburgh awards and his patronage of hundreds


of charities and good causes, his contribution


to our United Kingdom, the Commonwealth and the wider world


will be of huge benefit to us all for years to come.


The Prime Minister there. I guess the Palace has done us a favour an


ad baby can't talk about elections. They've given us a news story. They


have, and it was a story you were absolutely loving in the media,


about 8am, rumours they were going to be a meeting. This mystery. I


drove past Buckingham Palace and there is wall-to-wall satellite


trucks and correspondence, everyone rushed down there in case, God


forbid, someone had fallen under a royal was, quite happily no, it is


still a big story, I am rather ambivalent about them but I


understand the role they play in the country and the respect is for them.


The guy has been around a time and for all the slitty eyed remarks


except, except at... They are all being published. A great excuse to


drop them out, I met him once, I don't think he remembers, he met me.


On balance, some of them were gaps, but put that in perspective of a


life's worked, the scales or tipped towards him, he has done lot for


this country. We see him there with his MCC tie on yesterday looking at


cricket bats, wielded by some of the legends of the game, what I'm not


sure is has he been, has he got to 95, reducing his engagements and


this is the natural end to his engagements or is this an abrupt


end? I've been doing a lot, I'm now not doing anything. You will have to


go to the royal experts on Matt, I can't work out why do you announce


this now that he's retiring in the autumn and this is only speculation


on my behalf, the man is 96, he occasionally fall so, I think they


are preparing us for the long, slow withdrawal... He looks pretty good


for 95, 96-year-old, standing bolt upright, walks without any aid or


assistance am not even a stick. He was in the war and he has carried


that war bearing, a senior naval officer, in my younger days I did a


couple of royal in India and Pakistan and you see him striding


around, lifting children over barriers to get to the Queen.


Impressive. There we go. Voters in France will be


going to the polls this Sunday There were originally 11 candidates


but that was narrowed down to just two in the first-round


vote last month. The two remaining candidates


are Emmanuel Macron, from the centrist En Marche party,


and Marine Le Pen, Neither belonging to the mainstream


parties in France. The two candidates clashed


on primetime French In a heated exchange,


Marine Le Pen accused her rival of being "the candidate


of savage globalisation". saying Marine Le Pen was "the high


priestess of fear". on major policy areas


like the economy, Marine Le Pen is a staunch


eurosceptic and she's promised an in-out referendum on France's EU


membership within the first six She would need Parliament to agree


to that. But Emmanuel Macron is a strong


supporter of the EU. On a visit to London last month


he said that he would aim to "defend French and European interests"


in the Brexit negotiations. with the bookies and the pollsters -


but it's thought that around a fifth of French voters


are still undecided. Well, here are the two


candidates in last It was pretty dramatic television,


entertaining and enjoyable. TRANSLATION: Mr Macron


is the candidate of globalisation. TRANSLATION: You've shown that


you are not the candidate The question is, do the people


want your defeatist attitude? You say globalisation


is too hard for us. TRANSLATION: The safety


of our people and the fight against terror, Islamist extremism,


you don't want to take it on. Against terrorism we have


to close our borders. And that's what I'll do


the moment I take power. TRANSLATION: Closing


borders achieves nothing. There are many countries outside


the Schengen area which have been hit as hard as us


by terrorist attacks. And since 2015 we have put


back border controls. That gives you a flavour of the


debate which went on for over two hours.


Joining me now is Max Begon-Lours from the Front National.


We did ask En Marche, that's Emmanuel Macron's


party, for an interview - but they said no one was available.


But we still have Macs with us. Welcome to the camp -- the country.


-- to the programme. Your candidate, we thought it would be a game


changer and it wasn't. I think that's a tough assessment of


the debate, she wanted to deliver a message that was there has been a


big marketing project to present Mr Micron as the candidate for change,


a new candidate and this is not true, he has been in government, a


member of a socialist party and he hasn't condemned the policies of a


socialist government. The message was if you are not happy with the


current government, don't put the vote to Macron because you're going


to get the same thing for the next five years. I understand that when


she came back to that again and again, all the woes of the Francois


Hollande government seemed to be laid at the doorstep of Macron by


Marine Le Pen but I understand she wanted to paint him as the


continuity of an unpopular government candidate, so unpopular


Francois Hollande couldn't run again but is cutting through, we see no


movement towards her in this campaign. I think you have to look


at the electorate. Most people who aren't going to vote, who said they


are going to vote for Macron said they won't change their mind, the


key message was to change on the side of people. What was important


to making the decision. Do you think, she was pretty brutal in


personal terms to Mr Macron, he gave as good as he got what if you are


trying to get uncommitted voters, maybe vote is closer to the centre,


is that kind of approach in a debate really likely to get them? I think


she spoke with her heart, she is furry dissatisfied with the policies


that are hurting her country, I am as well. A lot of the people were


trying to convince our very dissatisfied, they have lost their


jobs, health benefits coming down. It was interesting at the start of


the debate, her attack on Mr Macron tom on economic policy was from the


left. At times she sounded like a rage against capitalism, the banker.


You are a banker. The workers, the state, it was a kind of left Wick --


left-wing critique of capitalism. I think she's just reflecting the


opinions of the French people on policy. Mr Macron is supporting


unrestricted free trade, the offshore moving of French companies,


you can't just say it left or right, what is in the best interests of the


French people, we are not against capitalism, we think the economy


should serve the French people not the French people serving the


economy. What did you think of the debate? I know you watched it. I was


gripped. Anoraks are also. The best display I've ever seen of passive


aggressive smiling from both, when they were calling each other


traitors and liars they were both smiling. They allowed cutaways, I


know it is a technical thing in a way but that was an innovation in


the French presidential debate, to get a split screen. To try and


rounded, I think the narrative, when she loses and she will these -- lose


by a good 15-20 points, the far right have been halted in their


tracks and it's a false narrative, they said it after the Dutch


elections, the Dutch far right increased their share. People said


this was a failure, this won't be a failure for the front National, they


will get this far, Mr Macron will go into power with no MPs, I can't see


how he will make a good fist of it over the next five years given the


state Francis and and its policies and I think the candidate of this


gentleman is far better placed for five years time. Last thing that is


so important about this, how to rebrand yourself? With respect to


you, I can see you holding me up either throat against a wall but 20


years ago when I used to cover your party, time and again at rallies I


would be held up against a wall by thugs in masks demanding to see my


passport, and I was a correspondent in Paris. When Marine Le Pen's


father would talk about the Holocaust, the detail of the Second


World War, you have moved a long way from there and I think it's a


brilliant piece of rebranding. How far have you moved? In terms of


actuality as opposed to brand, Marine Le Pen decided to step down


temporarily as leader of the National front for the rest of the


campaign, she chose a man, her stand-in, who is a name EP, he then


had to step aside because there were allegations he had questioned,


indeed he had questioned the existence of the Nazi gas chambers?


People made this allegation. Really? You didn't say, I consider from a


technical standpoint it is impossible, I stress impossible to


use the Gas the Nazis used in mass extermination? We are suing the


people who made this statement for defamation. We know this, he said,


he doesn't recall participating in the interview. The Parliamentary


elections, in June, they will be important for whoever is President


but you don't do well in Parliamentary elections, do you? You


rarely get through the second round, you won't get a lot of deputies, a


lot of members of the assembly. Look at the French map, how many


departments in France, when Marine Le Pen was first, the French


constituency where she was ahead of Macron, things have changed a lot.


We will see in June, we have more French elections, we cannot get


enough of them! Taking up ten's point, is her heart in battling


through to Ford will be 2020 to cover the next presidential election


because she had a pretty lacklustre campaign for the round one and even


last night, she seemed to run out of steam in the final 40-45 minutes.


She began round one 26, 27 points in the polls and ended up at 22, Ishii


and for the long term? I think she's in for the long term, I'm not privy


to what she wants to do. I definitely think she has the skills


to do this, look at what she achieved in five years, taking us to


the second round with polls showing us at 40%, it's incredible. We are


clearly the main opposition now to these policies. We will see. Your


final thought, they will be the main opposition in parliament. They want


and that is the problem, he had a substantial share of the National


boat in France but it doesn't transfer into seats which means the


people who think the system is rigged against them will continue to


think that, which means the fissures in French society will continue and


briefly, I am not accusing you of being a fascist, your party was a


fascist party under Marine Le Pen's father, I notice add your


headquarters you have black and Arab people, you haven't ditched that


tinge of fascism, have you? The media haven't ditched it, which is


the argument. We shall see, the results coming through I think, the


polls close at 8pm on Sunday night, is that right, French time? We will


get the exit polls at 7pm London time. Usually by the second round,


they are pretty accurate. Tim has recently written


a book about the power and politics of flags,


so he should know more about them The question for today


is which of these flags is the odd one out,


in that it is still the flag Is it a) Union flag with red,


white and blue stripes? b) Union flag with red


and white hoizontal stripes? c) Defaced red ensign featuring


a heraldic shield in the fly? Or d) Defaced light


blue ensign featuring At the end of the show Tim will give


us the correct answer. I won't. LAUGHTER


Or you can send his book back. LAUGHTER


Over the past three years the activities of the extremist


group so-called Islamic State, has made many headlines.


But is their reign of terror coming to an end?


The group has now lost much of the territory it once


In a moment we'll hear from Tim but first Emma Vardy takes a look


... The city of Mosul and rapidly advanced to the capital Baghdad. At


its peak ices controlled half of Syria and large parts of Iraq. --


ices controlled for the timid in people were living under their


control. The jihadists claimed they had a caliphate and Brislington


renamed themselves Islamic State. Kurdish fighters recaptured the


northern Syrian town of Kobani in 2015 and since then Kurdish led


forces have driven IS out of thousands of square kilometres of


northern Syria. At the end of 2014, they have this mission statement of


remaining and expanding, that was their mantra, but now they not


remaining and they are certainly not expanding. Their fundamental


elements to their success in 2014 have been challenged and how they


continue to adapt under this coalition is a huge question. The


current focus of the battle in Iraq is the control of Mosul, the


jihadists last major stronghold, the eastern half of the city has now


been liberated but taking Western Mosul is expected to be tough with


more densely populated districts. As IS has lost key cities and other


crucial factors have been the loss of funding. The maximum amount of


money that was earned by Isis was $2 billion coming from oil and


extortion and confiscations. And now we believe their funding has dogged


by -- dropped by about 50% and they have lost access to Keira fine


arrays and they can't tax their large population centres that they


had previously -- lost access to key oil refineries. The drone strikes


have also led to the deaths of key IS figures.


Can't post a serious threat to the UK, according to a Parliamentary


report -- Khan posed. There is expected to be a bloody battle for


Raqqa in the coming months. Black flags are not flying as high as they


used to, such as here, which was taken back from IS in the past week.


Many smaller villages have also been liberated from their control, but


those on the ground said defeating IS in the more populated towns and


cities is much slower work. I spoke to a journalist from northern Syria


yesterday afternoon and he described how IS resource into ever more


brutal tactics. In small villages IS fighters are not showing any


resistance, because if they did, they will give coordinates and they


will bomb the area directly, but it is different regarding big towns and


cities. IS has now lost more than half the


ground it once held. But the battle to eradicate the group will continue


to result in many lives being lost on all sides. Fighting groups on the


ground in conjunction with air strikes from the United States led


coalition will make sure there are areas continue to diminish, but what


is next clear is what comes next. -- make sure there are areas continue


to diminish. The caliphate is still there, why? Because they have not


put ground troops in and they are relying on the Kurds to do it and


they will do it. In answer to the question, are they willing, no,


because they are losing these battles but they are not losing the


war. They will lose the rest of Mosul this year, and they will


probably lose Raqqa by this time next year, and Raqqa is very


important because it has been spoken at the end of days will happen when


the black flags disappear. They have done what Al-Qaeda have never did,


they have taken territory and held it to create the caliphate. They


have made themselves the big boys, but they are going to lose. But the


ideology that underpins them and Al-Qaeda and others is not lost.


They will scatter into Afghanistan and other countries, into the weaker


areas of China, and we will see an outbreak of violence in many of


those places and in Europe. They will continue to recruit. The


ongoing battle which is generational because the ideology is still


embedded in enough people to make it a massive threat. So they are losing


the people, but the war is ongoing which we will find out over the


generations. Tens of thousands of troops had been deployed to Mosul


and they have been backed by Allied British and American and other


special forces and air power. And yet it has taken a long while. I


remember people said it won't be over by Christmas, meeting last


year, but it probably will be over not long after that, and it is still


not over. I'm no military expert but I never thought that. I think maybe


by this time next year they will be pushed out of Raqqa and even then


there is a problem. If the Kurds go there, that's not a Kurdish area,


that is a Sunni area and that will cause problems. We're not talking


about the American overwhelming firepower, even though they have it.


But they are not flattening everything and Mosul is the most


populous city in Iraq. So you can either fats push them out and take


400,000 civilian casualties or go street by street and take several


thousand civilian casualties. That is what is happening. It is awful


and bloody but this is part of the war and Isis is going to lose it but


another group called Isis Mach two will be there in a couple of years.


-- mark. President Trump said defeating Isis would be his top


priority. Well, he said a lot of things. Do you discern any change in


policy towards Islamic State from America? Not really. There was wild


speculation that he was going to put 300,000 ground troops in, but that


was nonsense. So far there have been extra special forces into Jordan and


into Syria, and they are ramping up and I would not rule out more going,


and they are also now floated to the front lines. There was a casualties


last week, I think. I don't think the United States really cares about


Syria. It is not as important for them strategically and they are far


more concerned about what is happening in the South China Sea and


other parts of the world. We will leave it there, Tim, thank you for


that. Now - there's one story that the BBC


won't be reporting today - and that's the general election


campaign. That's because voters in most parts


of the UK are going to the polls for the local elections -


and there are strict rules about how the broadcasters can report


politics on polling day. But we can tell you what elections


are happening today: The local elections are currently


underway in England, The polls opened at 7 this


morning and they close In England, there are elections


for 34 councils, with 2,370 There are also eight mayoral


elections in England, with voters going to the polls


in the West Midlands, Greater Manchester, Doncaster,


North Tyneside and elsewhere. In Scotland, every seat in all 32


councils is up for election. And it's the same in Wales -


every seat in the 22 Welsh councils The Daily Politics


is off-air tomorrow. But do tune in to BBC Two from 9am,


where Huw Edwards will be bringing you all the results


and analysis in a special local Now - the former leader


of the English Defence League, Tommy Robinson, raided the offices


of the anti-extremism think-tank, Quilliam, earlier this week claiming


that one of the organisation's authors had labelled him


a 'white supremicist'. Quilliam ejected Mr Robinson


and the cameraman who was with him and have made a complaint


to the police. We'll be talking to Tommy


Robinson and Haras Rafiq First here's footage of the incident


filmed for the online So today we are going


to an organisation called Quilliam. And the reason I'm going there


is one of their leading researchers, a lady called Julia,


she wrote an article yesterday in The Guardian where she declares


I'm a white supremacist. So you haven't got an appointment?


No. OK.


So do you mind coming this way? Come on.


Yeah. Do you mind if I ask why I'm


a white supremacist? I did not say that you were


a white supremacist. No, I did not.


You can read the exact article. Come on, Julia.


to break his camera? And Haras Rafiq, the Chief Executive


of Quilliam joins us now, Mr Robinson. You often complain that


you arbitrate as much more extreme than you say you are, but is


bursting into an office like that, and ending in a fracas, helps in the


image you want to portray? The doors were open and I was very polite and


I walked with once -- one cameraman. Bearing in mind that the lady called


me a white supremacist. This is about people who support me, working


class people at home who have been pigeonholed as extremists and


racists and far right when they are not. They have genuine concerns and


right STUDIO: -- euro they have genuine concerns and fears.


Should you be on the side of Quilliam? If they are what they say


they are. Why are they named after Quilliam? They need to be named


after a true reformer. They do a lot of work to promote moderation. Only


people in that office who wear certain ties are allowed to have an


opinion and everyone else is called a far right extremist. You have


attended rallies and you have tweeted endorsements of groups like


Britain first. I have reported on a demonstration by Britain first and I


have also done that for Muslim demonstrations. The reason I'm


going, because the truth is not being related to the people at home.


The mainstream media, they are all reporting fake news and they are


lying to people. Quilliam, they have lied to people but when the video


goes online, it shows what happens, I was not bullying and intimidating.


You were trespassing. There was an open door and I walked into the


office. We should be talking about what that lady said. I will come to


that in a minute. You retweeted a Britain first video about fake news


and media lies, and that does associate you with extremist groups.


I also retweeted an article on Isis which wish showing the facts about


them and that is not associated me with them -- which was. It is the


facts as seen by a hard right group. I'm not here to talk about me for


top and to talk about the demonisation of people like me. This


has gone on for ten years. It's not fair.


On this Guardian comment piece, you effectively called him fight


supremacist. Let me clarify, the position on Tommy further he is a


supremacist or not, Tommy knows me, he has been to my house, he knows my


family, he knows I am not someone with a vendor against him and he


knows what I stand for so I'm surprised as Chief Executive he says


Quilliam stands for something else. The position is not that Tommy is a


fight supremacist. An article was written by someone, I wasn't... A


senior researcher... The process needs to be change that I get


everything out. Did you not that this? I did not. Can I let our


viewers know what was said. What this woman wrote for the Guardian,


the far right has moved from the fringe into the mainstream. It


demonstrates massive support that fight supremacist and movements have


attracted, there online followership also does cars Tommy Robinson's


Twitter account as has almost the same number as Theresa May. Although


she didn't write Tommy Robinson is a fight supremacist it would be hard


to come to any other conclusion when you read the logic, the chronology


of that article. OK, let me again reiterate the position, Tommy


Robinson is not a fight supremacist as far as Quilliam is concerned.


Tommy could have rang me and we could have sorted this out, but we


are for we are and we will sort this out. I have spoken to the author,


the article was not meant to say he is a fight supremacist, it could


have been worded better, absolutely, according to her it was meant to say


that Tommy has followers as many organisations do who are not fight


supremacist and will attract people who are white supremacists because


sometimes they will feel attracted to a message, not necessarily his


fault... It was clumsily worded. I think it should have been worded


differently and my reading that was not to say that Tommy is a white


supremacist. He said live on network television he doesn't think you are


a white supremacist. Everyone knows I am not fight supremacist, this was


assigned to... It is not just about me, it's about people who support


me, it's frustrating, I meet people in the street who don't like me and


they don't not fight they don't like me, I get attacked regularly and


when I get down to talking to them, one person, I went to his house,


everything he thought I stood for I didn't stand for and that's because


of articles like this, fake news. For I come back to you, do you


accept what he now says? Because his Medicare, he doesn't think what the


article implies. There is no way that article was not written to


imply that, that was wrote to... It says the far right dehumanises


Muslims, exactly what she has done to me, she humanised me as standing


for something I'm not. I've made the official position of Quilliam


officially clear, I and Chief Executive, Julia is not. Am I an


extremist? I have never called you an extremist. I didn't read any of


us, all of these things, these are lies. From local government


funded... First of all it is not government funded and that is a lie


and you know it isn't. Number two, breaking into, going into an office


on and fight it, being asked to leave, trespassing for a political


grievance is political extremism. It is. By definition it is. And


secondly, emulating tactics that Britain first and other


organisations use sets a dangerous precedent. Emulating


emulating tactics emulating tactics of owing, these people, there were


people in the office yesterday, women who have never met Tommy who


were genuinely scared. Genuinely scared because of the lies that


people like... They were scared because you and cameramen came in


and you were forcing a microphone uninvited, unexpected into some of's


face on private property and the point is, had you rang me and I


called you, and it's on the video, I said wait for me, it's on the video,


people can see it, please let me finish, is said to you very calmly


and I say it again now, the offer is there to sort this out, I say to you


calmly on the phone I am in a meeting, you have travelled all the


way down from Luton, there is a copy shop nearby, wait for me. Hundreds


of thousands of people through the Guardian have read this article but


says this... You wanted sorted? We will sorted. But we wouldn't be


having this conversation... Afterwards,... This was a pretty


good publicity stunt. Imagine, I had to ring up and use a fake name to


get only radio show. What he said afterwards, I wouldn't have taken


the call if I knew it was Tommy Robinson, do I expect he will sit


down and talk to me? I am the Chief Executive of Quilliam, you know


that, I have had you at my house. I want to bring in Tim Marshall, he


will be the umpire. Let me ask you, you say you are not an extremist,


what were you an extremist? I've never been an extremist, ever. Were


you not a member of the DMP? We've gone through this. We've done this.


Rent you a member at one stage? I was a member when I joined because


of what was happening in 2009. You were extras? I wasn't. I was 21


years old and I joined an organisation... While we are on


subject, justice for Chelsea .com, people need to sign into that


because English girls across the country are being raped... You


cannot use us for that. Let me correct something. ... Is not in


jail for terrorism... Tim Marshall, you'd been listening to this, you


know the issues. What's your view? I've followed both organisations for


many years, I've seen ten minutes you put on on your TV channel


online. And I have to say this is the way to sort things out. And


quite encouraged by this and I can see that you don't think this man is


a white supremacist, nor do I. I'm not going to see a -- say a plague


on both your houses because I get for you are both coming from. You've


framed it in class terms and I understand that the cause I have


some sympathy for the view that the moment you come out with a


working-class voice people stop listening to what you are saying,


they listened to the accident and not the words, that is part of the


problem with people sneering Brexit borders. By frame it -- I know for


you are coming from. You said to Jeremy Paxman, your kids don't go to


the school were my kids go. We are running out of time. But... This is


not trying to be patronising but it's not the way to do things, you


did barge into an office, a place of work, you did shove cameras, your


guys need media training, don't put your hand on the camera. The big


problem is lies in the national media. That is a point you made


several times. We will leave there, thank you both for being with us.


Now - since 7/7 the the threat from Islamist inspired terrorism has


been ever-present and the threat level in the UK remains at severe.


Despite subsequent loss of life thankfully most


plots have been thwarted, not least thanks to the expertise


Adam visited the Security and Anti Terror Expo in west London


where some of that expertise was on display.


250 companies are exhibiting and over the next two days 10,000


But if you ain't a security industry professional you ain't getting in.


So come through the world's first ballistic protected shutter to see


Celebrities if they want to have it on their house.


How much would one of these cost me if I wanted to protect


How about an EU funded project that uses virtual reality to whisk


What am I doing, I'm looking for someone with a suspicious bag?


Sorry, excuse me, I'm opening the bag.


It's actually a parachute that turns into a boat.


For dogs that jump out of helicopters.


But, as the goodies go high-tech, the baddies are going low.


Bob Broadhurst ran the police operation for the 2012 Olympics.


All you need is a car, a knife or a gun.


And I think that's where the current trend is looking towards.


Moving away from the technicalities of making a bomb and delivering it


in a vehicle or a plane, to anybody in this room


being a potential terrorist, and that is a huge challenge.


Not just for the people at events like this,


So this event is as much about sharing expertise


And we're joined now by the former head of the Metropolitan Police


anti-terrorism command, Richard Walton.


Welcome to the programme. This technology making a difference in


the counterterrorism efforts that we have to make? As we have seen in


your clip there, obviously there are terrorist attacks have link with


very unsophisticated, the one that happened in Westminster was probably


the least sophisticated you can possibly imagine, each others


doesn't have a car and a kitchen knife... And the same in Nice and


Berlin. Nevertheless, terrorists learn from experience, we know they


are using technology overseas, for instance, Islamic State are using


drum technologies, they index -- developing drum capabilities and we


need to be aware of where the threat is going because the threat is


constantly changing. Although we've had low-level attack she wouldn't


rule out the use of technology by the terrorists that we need to


counteract? Absolutely not done they think this is what this expo is


about, it's about thinking about the wider threats, for it these threats


could go next, there is a lot of concern around cyber terrorism, we


haven't seen it yet but of course we know there is intent, we know


Islamic State, if they could, weaponised using chemical and


biological weapons they would do so, it's wise and sensible to get


professionals together across a range of disciplines to talk about


these issues and look at the counter measures you can put in place to


mitigate those threats. I'm told Britain is pretty good at this sort


of stuff in the sense that we are at the cutting edge of quite a lot of


developments. Is that related to the fact that long before we had to deal


with Islamist terrorism we had 30 years of the IRA? Sure, when I


standard -- started on counterterrorism in 1989 there were


six officers dealing with counterterrorism at one desk, fun I


left there were 6000 dealing with international terrorism, now there


is six I understand the link with the Irish terror threat on the


mainland but more across Northern Ireland. The terrorism threat is


constantly changing. In the end, you need, it's the old-fashioned talking


to people, shoe leather, the Pops from the local community, the


heightened sense of vigilance, all below text I would think still


matters. A key plank of the British counterterrorism strategy is


absolutely that, engagement, prevent strategy, getting people to come


forward, encouraging the Muslim community to talk to officials and


police and to a large extent, that's worked. Look at the last three


years, talking about 15 disrupted plots, regrettably, one got through


in Westminster. It would have been hard to detect, in Westminster. An


individual who apparently had no connection with other terrorists


overseas, but we are aware of, incredibly difficult to disrupt


those kind of plots but I think we need to be and put it into


perspective, in the same time period we've seen plenty attacks in France,


five in Germany, and the French themselves have stopped a lot. A


number of victims and small ones get through. Two disrupted attacks in


France in the last two weeks, the threat continues, I agree with Tim's


assessment earlier on, once the physical camel -- caliphate in


Islamic State is defeated and let's hope that happen soon, the virtual


caliphate if you like, the way the ideology can be spread through


social media in particular, will interview and we need to work harder


on digital radicalisation and taking of the websites, some of the


material on this radicalising youth. That brings us full circle, that's


for a technology comes. Thank you. Now, once upon a time if you wanted


to know the thinking of a foreign government you may have had to wait


months for an envoy's letter If you were curious


about the innermost thoughts of a foreign head of state,


well, you'd have to ask your But nowadays you can put


the cloak-and-dagger away and simply Never before has the world seen


someone with as much power as Donald Trump also be willing


to tweet about how it We thought we'd take a look


back at some of the US President's greatest hits


on the platform over the years - with a little help from


impressionist Lewis Macleod. Just when the newspaper editor has


the headlines ready, I It's just awfully good that someone


with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law


in our country. Politicians are all


talk and no action. Washington can only be


fixed by an outsider. You've called women you don't


like fat pigs, dogs, I refuse to call


Megyn Kelly a bimbo. Because that would not be


politically correct. Instead I will only call her


a lightweight reporter. A great movement is verified


and crooked opponents try to belittle our


victory with fake news. BBC.


Here's another beauty. Many people have said I'm


the world's greatest writer of 140 It's War and Peace, right


there, 140 characters. You know, to send a tweet, birdsong,


it's the same thing. I can't do it, but my


words are great. You know, starlings,


chaffinches, eagles. A bit heavy on your shoulder


when they land on you. Lewis Macleod, there,


who occasionally deputises for the President in the radio


programme Dead Ringers. We're joined now by


the journalist Peter Oborne. He's written a book


examining every single one Why did you put yourself through


this? This is what explains how he became President of the United


States of America. You think it is that important? That is what he


says. Is that true? He invented a new political language. It was a


very very significant thing. Very often the case that a new political


force comes to a new medium. Reza felt and his -- Reza felt -- Teddy


Roosevelt and his fireside chats. JFK and TV, he was the first to


really understand TV. It is the awful truth, President Trump was the


first to grip Twitter, that was the medium which gave him his fullest


expression. And allowed him to escape the evil mainstream media.


And speak directly to voters and his followers. Exactly so. And mediated,


which is the aim of all political dictators. -- not mediated. You get


in the way sometimes, Andrew! It was very simple, message which cannot be


contradicted, brutal, very funny sometimes. What do we glean about Mr


Trump? What have you concluded? Quite a serious thing. Of course. He


is funny, he's brilliant, but also he's much more sinister than I


realised. I tended to think that he was a buffoon, right wing buffoon,


and we have plenty of those everywhere, but if you read through


this, the links with very sinister far right movements, there is one


which he retweeted, white genocide, and I felt ashamed even to open it.


When was that? About two years ago. You open it and go through to very


sophisticated Adolf Hitler propaganda. Did you know what he was


doing? Do you give him the benefit of the doubt? There were links...


Ross Limbo, he's extremely nasty. Radio shock jock? Yes. The


conspiracy theorists, anti-vaccine, the birth conspiracies. These are


things he retweets? And actually plays with and entertains them and


gives them space. Is there a change. He was doing this when he wasn't


president. Before he was running, as well. Is he more careful now? Yeah,


I think years. Now that he's in the White House, much of the more rancid


anti-Muslim staff has gone. He did that before? Very ugly. About


Muslims. Yeah. What do you make of it? We are going to look back at


this as historians and this is the first president to get the new


medium. Twitter is a shorthand for the new medium. I watched the White


House press briefings with Sean Spicer, directly through the White


House website, and I don't watch it from the 24-hour news channels. I


watched the feed and he has got that, that people now go round it.


Regarding Twitter, I love to say I told you, I said a couple of years


ago that he is not a buffoon. You have got to listen with EE of the


Pittsburgh steel worker. -- and listen with EE. And he has now


started to come down. I think he is dangerous and sinister and deeply on


present and he's using 21st century technology with a bold ideology, but


he remains not as dangerous as most people think -- with a 20th-century


ideology. Some people thought he would stop when he got into the


White House. The tone might have changed, but he still sees this as a


weapon in his media wars. He promised he would stop, but he has


actually continued. And it got worse. These tweets at 3am, the


mixture of bruised ego about celebrity and game shows with


threats of world War three, all mingling into aid arranged cocktail.


-- into a torrential sub you would think he had more on his mind. Well,


he's not a deep thinker. Now if you like trumpet fanfares


and ceremonial costumes, you'll love this item,


because while we have been on air the proclamation summoning


a new UK Parliament, which was signed by the Queen


yesterday afternoon, Whereas we and by and with


the advice of our Privy Council. Being desirous and resolved, as soon


as may be to meet our people, and to have their


advice in Parliament. The proclamation arrived in


Edinburgh and the cameras were there to witness the event. It was the


summons of a new parliament for the 13th of June.


And we can talk to someone now who was involved in that parade -


the Rothesay Herald of Arms, Sir Crispin Agnew of Lochnaw


What was the purpose of today's pageantry? The purpose of a


proclamation is to announce from the cross where people use together, any


ball news which is important for the kingdom -- where people used to


gather together, any oil news. Proclamation was the best way of


getting royal news out to all the boroughs in Scotland. We maintain


that addition to this day in respect, used be dissolutions of


Parliament and the calling of new parliaments and also for announcing


the succession of Nick and calling coronation and so on. -- succession


of a monarch. We are now historically more limited and the


most common ones are in relation to Parliament as happens today. The


Queen issued this in London, but you proclaimed this in Edinburgh. Are


there other parts of the country where this is proclaimed? The City


of London, Cryer reads the proclamation in the City of London


and the Lord line reads it in Scotland. Until the last couple, the


Scottish one was always five days after the London one, because that


was how long it took for the horse to get from London to Edinburgh with


the proclamation. People used to say that Scottish MPs when title to five


days extirpate because Parliament had not been dissolved in Scotland


-- five days extirpate. Until we read the proclamation. Did it all go


well today? It went like clockwork? Yes, everything went very well, we


had a shorter time to get the ceremony together. The army turned


up and did their part very well. It is a great privilege to take part in


these ceremonials. We know it is a busy day. Thanks for joining us. So


resplendent, as well. We have had Mori action to the announcement that


Prince Philip is stepping down from his public engagements in the autumn


-- mort reaction. He has dedicated his life to public service and to


supporting the Queen. He has more than earned his retirement. Prince


Philip, as well as the support he is given the Queen and his own public


service, has done an amazing amount of charity work, especially to the


Duke of Edinburgh awards which in Scotland has helped millions of


young people. I think he is the one who has gone about his public


engagements with a sense of humour and people will be appreciative of


what he has done and will wish you all the best for a happy and


peaceful retirement. -- will wish him. You can keep abreast of all of


that on BBC News. There's just time before we go


to find out the answer to our quiz. The question was which of these


flags is the odd one out, in that it is still the flag


of a sovereign nation. You can see them all there. Tim,


which one? I thought if I could speak slowly enough we would run out


of time. One of those is Hawaii and I think the nation state one is the


bottom right. You are right. That is the Fiji flag and that is still the


flag of the nation state. Well done. The one o'clock news is starting


over on BBC One now. I will be back tonight


with Michael Portillo, Lisa Nandy, Lionel Barber,


Adrian Chiles, Miranda Green and the comedian Simon Evans


on This Week from 1145. We are making way for rolling


election coverage tomorrow


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