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Jeremy Corbyn unveils Labour's election manifesto -

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with the promise of big increases in public spending, tax rises

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for the better off - and a wave of re-nationalisation

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taking various utilities back into public ownership.

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Jeremy Corbyn says his "programme of hope" is fully costed.

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The Conservatives say Labour's sums "don't add up".

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We'll hear from one of Mr Corbyn's key lieutenants.

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Also on today's programme - former Deputy Prime Minister

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Nick Clegg joins us to discuss secret intelligence,

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the future of the Lib Dems - and political promises.

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And why do politicians try so hard to be cool with the kids?

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After weeks of interviews where politicians have had to say you will

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have to wait for the manifesto, we get to see the policies in detail.

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First out of the traps this morning was Labour, with Jeremy Corbyn

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unveiling his manifesto at an event in Bradford.

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So what are the headlines from what he calls his

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A future Labour government would spend a lot more on a wide

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Here are the headlines: An extra ?7.4 billion a year

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?6.3 billion more every year for schools across the UK

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and scrapping university tuition fees at an estimated annual

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And Labour would also reverse some welfare cuts,

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for example, they would scrap the so-called "bedroom tax".

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They would also recruit an extra 10,000 police officers

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in England and Wales at a cost of ?300 million a year.

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And they would end the current pay cap for public sector workers.

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So, to pay for all that, Labour are also proposing

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Corporation tax will go up to 26% by 2021 -

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There will also be a tax of up to 0.5% on financial transactions,

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that's a so-called "Robin Hood tax" on financial products

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And there will also a high pay levy, that's a surcharge of up to 5%

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on companies paying individuals more than ?500,000 a year.

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And income tax will also go up for the top earners -

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Another key feature of Labour's manifesto is a radical programme

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Labour wants national utilities and services to come back

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The recent privatisation of the Royal Mail would be reversed.

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Rail companies would come back into public ownership gradually

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Labour would also seek to nationalise the UK's

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And in the energy sector - Labour would seek to bring

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the National Grid under public control and also create regional,

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Let's have a look at some of what Jeremy Corbyn had to say.

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Today, we are setting out a manifesto to transform the 21st

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century in the same way that Harold Wilson in the 1960s sought to

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transform the 20th century. It is an absolute pleasure to be here today.

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This manifesto is a graft for a better future for our country. It is

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a blueprint of what Britain could be and a pledge of the difference a

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Labour government can and will make. Jeremy Corbyn speaking earlier. He

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is still speaking at the moment, launching this manifesto at a press

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conference in Bradford. We hope to speak to the Shadow Cabinet member

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about it but he cannot leave until the Labour leader has finished so we

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will have to be patient about that. The BBC's Chris Mason is with us. He

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has been watching the manifesto launch. He joins us now. Are there

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any surprises or is it much what we expected because of the league last

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week? We have been comparing it dry by draft and thankfully there are

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more people to flick through the pages that there were the other

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night when I went through a! Minor tweaks in language. They are

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promising and expansion onshore start centres were in the draft they

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were talking about maintaining the existing network -- and expansion of

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Sure Start centres. Broadly speaking it is the same. I guess the obvious

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conclusion, and it is obvious but it is worth three stating, is for soap,

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so long there was a shtick in politics where people would say what

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is the point, all the big parties are just the same? That is

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completely unsustainable now with this position with a vast

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nationalisation programme and a very different perspective that forward

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by Labour than the Conservatives. The other bit is where the scrutiny

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will come which is on the numbers. Labour have promised this document

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alongside the manifesto on their costings. The tax would be almost 50

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billion. By the end of the parliament, it builds up. But when

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you look at the small print and some of the references about how they

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will make numbers add up there is still plenty of scope for scrutiny.

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People are looking quite cleanly at some of their childcare plans and

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how they have costed that and it looks like it has been referenced to

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a Fabian Society review. Whether that would be regarded as standing

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up to as much scrutiny as we would look to after a budget, and whether

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there are spreadsheets and office the budget responsibility numbers,

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we don't know. They plan to spend about 50 billion more in current

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spending in various ways, getting rid of tuition fees, the NHS and so

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on, and they plan to raise taxes by 50 billion almost to pay for it,

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that is the broad thrust. Yes, around 50 billion in extra taxes and

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then on top of that the idea for significant borrowing. They make the

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point that the borrowing would be for investment, long-term staff as

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opposed to day-to-day spending that a government does, but they make the

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argument that it is something very much worth doing. It is worth

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looking at how they divide what would be current spending paid for

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by tax rises versus what they say would be justified for borrowing.

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For instance, on the whole business of the NHS, and they were making

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this argument over the weekend, they say that ?10 billion worth of

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additional spending on the NHS which they say would be ring-fenced for

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infrastructure and IT, obviously topical in the context of the cyber

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attack, they say that would be justified in coming from borrowing

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because it would be long-term capital investment. That would go to

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the borrowing side as well? But they would also put additional capital

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spending on the borrowing side as well which by 2020 or 2021 would be

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50 billion. They are going to add 25 billion to that and then perhaps

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other parts will be added? They look like they will still, by the

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beginning of the next decade, be borrowing a lot, even if it is just

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for capital spending? So it would seem and they are pretty proud that

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it is worth doing. It emphasises that the massive ideological

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difference and outlook in terms of how Labour and the Conservatives

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prepared to run the country. I am not saying you have read every word,

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but is there quite a lot of detail beyond the broad figures in terms of

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costs, spending and taxes? Is there the detail that Labour were being

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asked for in terms of costing these spending pledges? There is this

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separate document they put out. I suspect, and we are still in the

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opening minutes of that being scrutinised, there will be some

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holes pulled into that. First, there is a distinct lack of information

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about the costings of the nationalisations. Even the stuff

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they offer are costing four, some of the references on the face of it

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look like they will be plenty of unpicking that will go on there. On

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the broader picture in terms of the promises, what is quite striking as

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there is a huge array of retail political offices the offers, in

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small detail. The idea of having free Wi-Fi on all trains under a

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nationalised rail network. Some of the polling suggests some of their

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headline offers are quite popular. I saw this analogy yesterday which is

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quite a good one, you can see things that are enticing on the restaurant

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menu but if you don't like the look of the menu, would you walk through

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the door? That is the big challenge for Labour. Some of these questions

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we hope to put to Andy McDonald from the Labour Party who will join us

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when the manifesto launch is over. Listening to that was Nick Clegg who

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joins us. What to make of what you have heard so far? I have just run

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from an underground station! Even from politicians stand is asking me

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to pronounce with precious little detail! The good thing about this is

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this is a manifesto squarely capped in a completely different

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ideological space. It is taking a massive gamble that you could

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squeeze that amount of money from many people who are the Tories leak

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mobile and can afford taxes. It sounds great to say you're going to

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squeeze the top 5%, it is incredibly difficult in practice and it can be

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huge inhibition to economic growth and so on. They are taking a huge

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gamble, they're not going to kill the economy as they squeeze out

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money from this fantastic list of wonderful sounding free everything

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for everybody, and at the same time remaining, which is the most

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striking omission, stunningly silent on the biggest economic risk to the

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British economy of all, which is we are going to extricate ourselves

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from the world was at most integrated borderless marketplace,

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and by the sounds that from the customs union as well. During this

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election campaign Labour have sided fully with the Conservative Party to

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pull us out of the single market. Every authorities economic analysis

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says it will have a fact on the British economy. I do think there is

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any dispute the free Wi-Fi, free disk of a free that, sounds great.

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As ever with the Labour Party, is it credible? From little of what I have

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heard a lot on what was leaked last week, I don't find it credible at

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all. A lot of it was leaked last week, I do think you missed too

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much. We got the figures. We will return

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to that. Chris Mason, thank you for joining us and Nick Clegg, good to

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see you. Yes, welcome. While we wait for Andy

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McDonald, let's look at events across the antics. -- Atlantic.

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The White House has denied allegations that President Trump

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shared highly classified intelligence about Islamic State

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during a meeting with the Russian Foreign Minister last week.

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President Trump held talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei

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Lavrov at the White House last Wednesday.

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But according to a report in the Washington Post today,

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the President apparently went off script during the meeting

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and began describing details of an Islamic State terrorist threat

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related to the use of laptop computers on aircraft.

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The story claims that the information had been

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provided by a US partner through

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Well, President Trump's National Security Advisor,

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HR McMaster, told reporters that the story was untrue.

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At no time, at no time, were intelligence sources or methods

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discussed and the president did not disclose any military operations

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that were not already publicly known.

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Two other senior officials who were present, including

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the Secretary of State, remember the meeting the same

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Their on-the-record accounts should outweigh those of anonymous sources.

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Nick Clegg, Washington is reeling from the firing of James Coney, what

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do you think they are doing now as a result of this report in the

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Washington Post? What I find striking is it would not have found

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its way into the Washington Post if someone very much close to the

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operational, either security establishment either the White House

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itself, was not so outraged that they chose to leak it. You have an

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administration by the sounds of it to all intents and purposes at war

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with itself. Whatever your views about Donald Trump and his ideology,

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to have an administration which appears so dysfunctional, very

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worrying. It is clear now there are parts of the Washington

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establishment who do not trust their own president with confidential

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security briefings, as someone who received them for years, day in, day

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out, it is astonishing. You were privy in your former life as Deputy

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Prime Minister to all sorts of intelligence and the implication is

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this intelligence came from a third-party, it could have Britain,

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of course. I have no idea who it came from. We would be up there with

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information... We have a very intimate intelligence relationship

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with the US and Australia, New Zealand and others. Of course, yes,

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you are right, it has a ripple effect on the intelligence community

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beyond America if you feel the commander-in-chief, and this is the

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way it comes across, it may be unfair, as if he is bragging about

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the information at his disposal to Sergei Lavrov. That is very worrying

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for Western intelligence generally. You say it is worrying for the

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Washington establishment if parts of people there do not trust the

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President, worrying for the wider intelligence community, what can

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Donald Trump do now to extricate himself from the growing clamour,

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the piling up of claims of his links with Russia? He has got to come

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clean. He has got to get beyond this. Has it gone too far? He wanted

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to end the controversy surrounding it. It was inevitable the moment he

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fired Comey, but one thing seasoned Washington observers thought, it

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would only then spiral in precisely the direction he was seeking to

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avoid. Everyone asks, what is the motive? To all intents and purposes,

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if you charge around saying, everything is fake news, you fire

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people, you have got something to hide. I have not got the faintest

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idea, I am not privy to this stuff, but he is giving every appearance of

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being a political leader who is acting out stress and in a very

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impetuous Wade and reacting very defensively and of course that is

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worrisome. If there is a Russian connection that is yet to come out,

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it is the most amazing game of double bluff. He has fired missiles

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into Syria, blamed the Russians for a lot of what is going on, and

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yesterday, the US wanted out the Syrians had built a crematorium

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where they are burning the bodies of the thousands of people they have

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tortured and killed. And then said, the Russians have been complicit in

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this. It is amazing. Yes, though what I find interesting is the

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pattern of condemnation of Russia did emerge somewhat belatedly.

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Again, you cannot help but feel, why have they come so late in the day to

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condemning Russia's belligerent behaviour in Syria and Ukraine?

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Again, I'm afraid, when these narratives get going, everything

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reinforces itself. They are somehow seeking to cover their tracks. That

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is how it looks. The question for today is,

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which of these election photo B) Tim Farron covered

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in orange powder? Or d) Nick Clegg

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high-fiving in Kent? At the end of the show,

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Nick will hopefully give us I think there is a Liberal Democrat

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theme! I hope it does because I do not know what it is! Someone in my

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ear will tell me. We've been joined from Bradford

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by the Shadow Transport Welcome to the programme. For the

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past month, we have been told you have to wait, when we ask, where is

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the money coming from? Wait for the manifesto, we were told. The

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manifesto is published today, lots of detailed costings in it, you want

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to nationalise the National Grid. Its market cap is about 40 billion

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at the moment. How would you pay for nationalising it? John McDonnell is

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going to roll all of the figures out over the next few days in great

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detail. I will not trespass into his territory. It does make some

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sense... Hold on. We have had to listen... Hold on. You told us all

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would be revealed when the manifesto was published. You are now saying we

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have to wait again? Does the manifesto not tell us how you will

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pay for the nationalising of the National Grid? Well, it sets up very

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clearly that there needs to be a rebalance of where the emphasis lies

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in terms of raising taxes. This is about a fundamental change so we can

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uplift everybody and not just concentrate on those who are

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fortunate enough to be extremely rich. We want to uplift everybody.

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That is the thrust of our excellent manifesto. It is 128 pages, so I am

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not across at all, but I have looked at the funding pages, you want to

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raise almost 50 billion to spend on various things. Nationalising the

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National Grid is not included in that 50 billion yuan trading. Where

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will the money come from for that? -- the 50 billion yuan raising. It

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is part of the taxation and spend programme and the money will come

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for that in the fullness of time. If you have the wording in front of you

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and I have not, I think you will find it says it is something we want

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to achieve over time. That is not going to be... That is the ambition

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of the manifesto commitment. What about the water companies which you

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also want to nationalise? Thames water, one of the biggest, that

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alone is worth about ?12 billion. How would you finance that? Well,

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again, Andrew, we have set out how we look to the very richest in our

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society to make a better contribution. But that is not

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nationalisation... Well, those are the funds we will be drawing on to

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fund the entire programme and it is about making sure that those

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corporate entities who are enjoying and will continue to enjoy the

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lowest corporation tax in the G7 will flourish and continue to

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flourish but that they make the proper contribution. We have also

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got a ?36 billion tax gap to fill which quite frankly has been given

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little regard by the Tory government. They have been content

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for people to offshore their earnings, because they are part of

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the same elite vested interests that we are so determined to tackle head

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on. That is where funding comes from to achieve this very ambitious

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programme. You hope to raise about ?6 billion more from raising taxes

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of the top 5%, but you have already told us that money will go to

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finance more money for the NHS. Not for the water company purchased or

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the National Grid or the Royal Mail. Where does the money come from for

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that? You are quite right. What we are saying is, we will protect 95%

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of the working population, they will not see tax rises and National

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Insurance contribution rises. We ask the very richest make a small

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contribution, we are asking corporations who benefit so much

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from trading in our country to again make the small contribution and

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still be the lowest rate in the G7. Both the money you hope to raise

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from increasing corporation tax and the money you hope to raise from

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raising taxes on the top 5%, that is already spent in your manifesto on

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things like the NHS, abolishing tuition fees, on social care, and so

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on. It is not being spent on what I am asking you about which is the

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cost of nationalisation. Andrew, it is hot off the press, published at

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11 o'clock, John McDonnell... You are in the Shadow Cabinet. John

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McDonnell will go into further detail. I will not trespass into his

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territory when he will give you the clarity you will have in abundance.

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I have been at the meeting when we looked at the draft we agreed on and

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this is the published format that I looked at this morning. If you have

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read it which I have not yet have the privilege of doing, not all of

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it, but if you have read it, what does the manifesto say about

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financing the nationalisation of the National Grid, the water companies

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and the Royal Mail? As I have said, Andrew, we have set out that

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programme, we told you very clearly where money is coming from. Where is

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it coming from? Tell me again. Assume I am a slow learner. Andrew,

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I have said to you, let John McDonnell role that out in very

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great detail. Is it in the manifesto? It is hot off the

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presses. My understanding it is there... You have read it. We are

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trying to keep this under wraps until quarter to 11! It is quite a

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weighty tome. Give me a chance, I will have a good look at it. You are

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going to increase the bank levy, increase corporation tax by a third,

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increase capital gains tax, introduced a financial transactions

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tax, put a cap on top pay, have higher taxes for those earning over

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80,000 a year, you will have a levy on companies paying high salaries.

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What allowances have you made by doing all of that that the behaviour

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in companies and people will change and you will not get the money you

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think? Well, I think those are modest and reasonable proposals and

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it makes all the sense in the world to me that when people are trading

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with shares, the .5%, if they then get into trading on derivatives,

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there should be some transaction from that when they are gambling on

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the increase or decrease in those shares -- not .5%. It is financially

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profitable. Contributions should be made. It is a tiny... What if they

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go abroad? Individuals or corporations? Both. People who...

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Some people may go off to buy an island in the Caribbean but some

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have already done that. They might just go to Switzerland. I am

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absolutely convinced there is the patriotic commitment to our country

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and these are modest contributions that we are asking for. You have to

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remember, the corporation tax was at 28%. We are talking now of getting

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it down to 17%. Lord alone knows what will happen if ultimately a

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Conservative government that is re-elected takes us down to 12%.

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What will happen then to the NHS and schools and social care? These are

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the things that are crucially important to everyday people, these

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are the priorities and you have to have a tax base, a reasonably

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structured tax base to make sure those provisions are made. You also

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have a lot of money you want to borrow to spend on what is generally

:27:13.:27:16.

called infrastructure investment. But you will not be allowed to bid

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for the infrastructure investment if the senior management is paid 20

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times more than the lowest worker. Lowest paid worker. Are you aware of

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any infrastructure companies, British or foreign, where the ratio

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is 20 to one or below? Any? I cannot give you a direct response to that.

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But what I can tell you is that it is eminently reasonable that there

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be some relationship between those people who are working hard every

:27:53.:27:56.

day, creating that wealth, and the individuals at the top of the

:27:57.:28:00.

organisation. Pay scales have got out of hand and they are

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ridiculously at comparative rates between all agree -- between

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ordinary people and the wealth of the company. They should be a

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relationship between the two. I do not anticipate it will impinge...

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Really? People will want to invest in our country, they need to abide

:28:23.:28:29.

by our systems and make proper contributions. What happens if the

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companies say, we will not do that? We will not bid for the British

:28:36.:28:40.

infrastructure contracts. The world is full of infrastructure contracts,

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we will not cut the salaries of senior management to suit a Labour

:28:45.:28:51.

government. What do you do then? How do you build the railways and the

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roads? How do you do it? The problem we have had in this country for many

:28:57.:29:00.

years is people coming to invest have found the infrastructure

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woefully inadequate and we have laid out our commitment to invest in

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infrastructure to make sure we have got transport infrastructure for the

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21st-century. The condition you are making could lead to an

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infrastructure strike, companies just will not bid. I am not

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convinced that is the case at all. I think these companies will want to

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invest in our country. They know they have got a government who wants

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to work with them but there has to be some sense prevailing in terms of

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the excesses drawn out of the system and I certainly do not think a

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government in the UK should be party to simply pouring money into the

:29:42.:29:47.

coffers of a tiny minority. These investment strategies have to be for

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the benefit of the entire country, not for a handful of individuals.

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That is obscene. We have to make sure the entire nation benefits, not

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just a few. Lots more to talk about. We will do that more before the 8th

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of June. Thank you for joining us. Let's get a round-up of all

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the other election campaign news. Thanks, Jo. It has been an action

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packed 24 hours of campaigning. If I had one piece of advice for

:30:26.:30:29.

politicians today, it would be do your advice on figures, especially

:30:30.:30:34.

before going on the radio. When will they learn? That is a clue about

:30:35.:30:39.

what is coming up and we have also had some very friends making an

:30:40.:30:41.

appearance on the campaign Trail and I do not just mean the candidates.

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Sit back and enjoy today's campaign round-up.

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That awkward moment when an unwanted guest gate-crashes your party.

:30:51.:30:52.

During Theresa May's ITV's Facebook live, look who pops up...

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I have a question in from Jeremy Corbyn of Islington.

:30:56.:30:57.

House-building is at its lowest, do you not think the British

:30:58.:31:03.

I and he take questions directly from voters.

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And if the government can do sweetheart deals for Surrey, well,

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Meanwhile, Jeremy Corbyn was reminding Labour voters

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in West Yorkshire of that alleged Tory deal for Surrey County Council.

:31:20.:31:24.

Although I do realise for Tory ministers,

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Diane Abbott isn't the only one struggling with her sums.

:31:27.:31:35.

What is Britain's deficit at the moment?

:31:36.:31:37.

Labour's John McDonnell was accused of googling the deficit figure

:31:38.:31:42.

Did somebody pass you a piece of paper?

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It sounded like a bit of paper was being handed.

:31:47.:31:51.

The Shadow Chancellor appeared to get it wrong by 18 billion,

:31:52.:31:59.

quoting the figure given on Wikipedia, rather than

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Tim Farron addressed a business breakfast in Bath.

:32:03.:32:11.

Lib Dems want to create a start-up allowance to help

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I want to do an uncharacteristic thing and shut up and listen,

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And who needs a battle bus for getting about?

:32:20.:32:26.

Nicholas Soames isn't the only one with a four-legged friend.

:32:27.:32:29.

So there you go, what will our colourful cast get up to next? I can

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assure you, Andrew, whatever it is, we will be watching and we will

:32:49.:32:53.

bring you the best bits. More tomorrow. I have no doubt about

:32:54.:33:02.

that. Throughout the campaign we have been taking the mood box

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around. Today, Ellie is in Edinburgh. At least, I hope she is!

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She is being very quiet. Lines to Edinburgh are down so let's

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go straight into it cutting Ellie out.

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# I need a little time to think it over...

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They all make promises they don't keep eventually.

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Do you trust the political parties to stick to their manifestos?

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Well, if it's a straight yes or no, I think the answer

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It's partly an individual loss of integrity for people and partly

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the whole system is set up that people have to compromise and lie

:33:52.:33:57.

in order to get votes and they don't carry it through.

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I think I would only trust the SNP, honestly.

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I think Sturgeon comes through as truthful.

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Manifestos, they don't ever really seem to come to fruition in the way

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I feel a bit strange answering this question!

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They have proven they don't stick to the manifesto.

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Lib Dems I think would but they are not going to get in.

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# Promises, promises turn to dust # Trust into mistrust...

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Do you think you can trust the political parties to keep

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Looks like a trolley load of empty promises.

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Well, yes, I suppose it would be, really.

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No, I think even the sincerest parties that might actually

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want to stick to the policies find that once they get

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I think if people can actually stick with the idea of the promises

:35:05.:35:11.

and maybe some of the detail might have to change, that is fair enough.

:35:12.:35:15.

That is being practical about things because things change.

:35:16.:35:17.

Usually, when they say things like, I am going to fix the problems

:35:18.:35:22.

in the health service or money or something like this, usually,

:35:23.:35:28.

well, it doesn't always get worse, but it doesn't usually get better.

:35:29.:35:32.

Any lasting relationship needs trust and when the political parties come

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wooing voters in this marginal seat, they will have their work cut out

:35:36.:35:39.

because no, the majority don't think that the parties stick

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That was one that Ellie recorded earlier! We could not get to her

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life in Edinburgh. I do not want to get into tuition fees but are people

:36:08.:36:12.

now less trusting in politicians do you think? I don't know. I think

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they have always been distrusting? Look, it is eyed dilemma I have

:36:22.:36:27.

grappled with myself. I do not have a perfect answer. There is always a

:36:28.:36:30.

collision between what you ideally want to do in life and what reality

:36:31.:36:35.

allows you to do, not just in politics but in life generally. The

:36:36.:36:40.

idea that every time a politician needs to make a compromise with

:36:41.:36:44.

reality, that they are shouted down as somehow being morally callow and

:36:45.:36:48.

betrayed, that is a problem. With each turn of the wheel, even where

:36:49.:36:55.

innocent collisions happen, cynicism just increases. What is out of order

:36:56.:37:03.

is if people knowingly say something which they have deliberately planned

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to not do. I find myself in the invidious position, I am not in

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charge and so on and so forth, but I wonder if politicians need to do

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more to be upfront with people to say that manifestos are not tablets

:37:21.:37:26.

of stone. My changes, banking crisis happens, wars happen. Maybe at this

:37:27.:37:31.

breathless phase of the election campaign be more grown-up but talk

:37:32.:37:36.

about what we can and cannot do. You have said the Leave side of the

:37:37.:37:40.

referendum campaign never made it clear that we have to leave the

:37:41.:37:44.

membership of the single market, you said that and when we were on the

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Sunday Politics we ran a bit of tape. I want to run it again to seek

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your actions are still the same. We looked at what people had said on

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the Leave and Remain side about the single market. Let's just refresh

:37:57.:38:01.

our memories. The British public would be voting to leave the EU and

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to leave the single market. Should we come out of the single market?

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That almost certainly would be the case, yes. Do you want to stay

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inside the single market? No, we should be outside the single market.

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I had Michael Gove in the chair and I said after Brexit would we be in

:38:19.:38:22.

the single market yes or no and he said no. And he was right.

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Absolutely. We would be outside of the single market, that is the

:38:29.:38:32.

reality. Britain would be quitting the single market. When I showed

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that two last time you said it was just sound bites. I tell you why I

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still disagree with you... People will think actually we did make it

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fit it clear. No one watching that received a manifesto from the Brexit

:38:52.:38:55.

campaign saying this is the kind of Brexit we propose to. We did not

:38:56.:39:02.

have one with Kate Hoey, Michael Farage, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove

:39:03.:39:04.

on cross-party basis saying we want to leave and this is why. That is

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why you were quite rightly asking them in interviews in television

:39:10.:39:12.

studios. Writer that the blood Owen Paterson said it would be mad to

:39:13.:39:16.

leave the single market, Nigel Farage and Dan Hannan had advocated

:39:17.:39:20.

the Norwegian approach which retains our membership of the single market.

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In other words, it was debatable. It was never put to the British people

:39:26.:39:31.

in clear way. I am afraid, I still cannot accept that a number of

:39:32.:39:36.

individual statements under pressure in question and answer session in a

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television studio constitutes an open proposition to the British

:39:41.:39:45.

people about what Brexit means in practice. But you did not seem to be

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in much doubt either that we would be leaving the single market if we

:39:49.:39:56.

voted to leave. This is what you said in a debate. To be further

:39:57.:39:58.

Brexit campaign have come clean now and said we dislike it so much we

:39:59.:40:03.

actually want to tear up Margaret Thatcher's single European act. I

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think that is a devastatingly self harming thing to do economically. I

:40:10.:40:15.

would not want it on my conscience. Even you were clear. You said they

:40:16.:40:19.

made it clear they wanted to tear up the single market arrangement. The

:40:20.:40:25.

problem is you were taking a number of statements and I think

:40:26.:40:30.

translating or describing that as an open proposition to the British

:40:31.:40:32.

people in the most important referendum in our lifetime, what I

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was reacting to is under pressure in interviews, some Brexiteers, not all

:40:38.:40:40.

of them, were saying that they felt this meant we would leave the single

:40:41.:40:45.

market. The British people never had a clear proposition put to them as

:40:46.:40:50.

one on a cross-party basis, by the Brexit campaign and invoking what

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George Osborne and David Cameron said is the oddest thing of all. You

:40:56.:41:00.

are having the winning side of a referendum quoting the words of the

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losing side of the referendum. If the British people watch, and David

:41:07.:41:10.

Cameron says we would have to leave the single market, George Osborne

:41:11.:41:14.

says we would have to leave, Michael Gove said we had to leave, Andrew

:41:15.:41:19.

Ledson said we would have to leave, Boris Johnson said, Nick Clegg said

:41:20.:41:25.

we would have to leave, what is your argument? Guess what, people don't

:41:26.:41:31.

watch. They don't watch the interviews between you and me and

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Andrew Marr on Sunday. They don't read manifestos either. We have

:41:36.:41:39.

today an important moment. The principal party of opposition are

:41:40.:41:43.

publishing a manifesto and you quite rightly are scrutinising the

:41:44.:41:48.

manifesto, because you accept it is a convention in aid can see that the

:41:49.:41:51.

two sides, multiple sides in a debate, that forward a coherent plan

:41:52.:41:54.

for what they want to do. That did not happen in the run-up to the

:41:55.:41:58.

referendum. The one thing we knew that people did take notice of which

:41:59.:42:04.

was not snatched conversations in TV studios, was a big lie on the side

:42:05.:42:08.

of a bus. And we went through them with that. My point is that even you

:42:09.:42:13.

were clear that if we voted to leave we left men should of the single

:42:14.:42:19.

market. Let's not Miss translating is, some Brexiteers had admitted

:42:20.:42:28.

that. There was no manifesto from the Brexit campaign. I still don't

:42:29.:42:33.

know, it is quite remarkable, almost a year since the referendum, I still

:42:34.:42:36.

don't know because I cannot get a clear answer from the government or

:42:37.:42:41.

Brexiteers, what they want to do in the customs union, what they mean by

:42:42.:42:47.

a agreement which apparently now will deliver us miraculously the

:42:48.:42:51.

exact same benefits in the words of David Davis as being inside the

:42:52.:42:55.

single market. I think all of this is specious nonsense. If I get

:42:56.:43:00.

worked up about it, I tell you why, I don't think they ever came clean

:43:01.:43:04.

with the British public. Used just said they had come clean but never

:43:05.:43:10.

mind. In a form in which the of people who voted you could describe

:43:11.:43:17.

as being fairly informed by a cross-party campaign group. But you

:43:18.:43:21.

are losing the argued. The latest YouGov poll says 68% support Brexit.

:43:22.:43:29.

Even people who voted to Remain but now think you should get on with it.

:43:30.:43:34.

You are in a minority now. I predict that even people who voted Remain,

:43:35.:43:38.

it is a pragmatic British added to, or they say come on, move along. I

:43:39.:43:43.

totally understand that. By the way, those are exactly the same people

:43:44.:43:47.

who may well in the next year change their minds when they feel the

:43:48.:43:50.

reality of Brexit is not all it is cracked up to be. But of course, I

:43:51.:43:57.

would fully expect that many Remain voters, who do not feel strongly

:43:58.:44:01.

about it as others, say come on, we should move on. I will play another

:44:02.:44:07.

clip. It does not involve you! I think he's your Treasury spokesman

:44:08.:44:08.

Vince Cable. How many people would give pay rise

:44:09.:44:22.

to? Roux across the public sector... How many is that? Millions. The core

:44:23.:44:27.

public sector, teachers, nurses, public sector workers. About 1

:44:28.:44:35.

million people? 5 million people? A couple. 2 million? Roughly. How much

:44:36.:44:46.

would it cost? 1.4 billion in the first year, subsequently will depend

:44:47.:44:51.

on the rate of inflation. The total number of public sector workers as

:44:52.:44:54.

of December last year was 5.4 million people. Right. Trained

:44:55.:45:05.

economist, graduated from Cambridge, PhD from the University of Glasgow,

:45:06.:45:11.

Diane Abbott moment? I could easily have a Diane Abbott moment. We all

:45:12.:45:18.

could! He should just have said, I have not got the figures. Funnily

:45:19.:45:28.

enough, I was doing it quickly myself, I think it is actually 5.4

:45:29.:45:34.

in the whole of the UK... 4.5 in England which is what the policy

:45:35.:45:39.

applies to. It is 5.5 if you include devolved administrations. Vince is a

:45:40.:45:48.

great guy, even people with an encyclopaedic brain like Vince, they

:45:49.:45:51.

do not have all the statistics... We are all vulnerable. By the grace of

:45:52.:45:53.

God go I. It's not just Labour who are

:45:54.:46:01.

publishing their manifesto today. Plaid Cymru have also been busy

:46:02.:46:03.

setting out their pitch to the public, with a promise

:46:04.:46:05.

to provide a strong voice Here's the party

:46:06.:46:08.

leader, Leanne Wood. The choice is not between

:46:09.:46:10.

the Conservatives and Labour. The choice is whether we want to put

:46:11.:46:13.

Wales on the political landscape. The choice is whether we keep voting

:46:14.:46:18.

for London-based parties for our own party, for a party

:46:19.:46:20.

which is based in Wales and whose only loyalty is to the people

:46:21.:46:28.

who live here. The party's finance

:46:29.:46:34.

spokesman, Adam Price, Welcome back to the Daily Politics.

:46:35.:46:48.

Your party opposed back set-macro and 52% of Wales voted to leave. --

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your party opposed Brexit. Is it a case of a little too little and a

:46:55.:47:00.

little too late? The arguments of the past should be left there. We

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have to look to the future. We are coming out of the EU and we have to

:47:08.:47:11.

ensure it is the best Brexit possible for the Welsh economy.

:47:12.:47:15.

There specific risks because of the structure of our economy,

:47:16.:47:20.

manufacturing and farming are much bigger, but there are also

:47:21.:47:23.

opportunities which are not often talked about. Coming out of the EU,

:47:24.:47:28.

we now have the ability to set regional or subnational rates for

:47:29.:47:32.

different taxes like the 80. We could have a lower VAT rate to help

:47:33.:47:37.

our tourism sector -- different taxes like VAT. Also we could have

:47:38.:47:46.

variable corporation tax rates reflecting lower levels of economic

:47:47.:47:49.

prosperity in places like Wales. It would give us a competitive

:47:50.:47:54.

advantage to draw businesses to Wales and help those here to grow.

:47:55.:47:58.

You want the Government to match every penny of EU funding Wales

:47:59.:48:04.

received, what happens if they do not? It goes back to the earlier

:48:05.:48:08.

conversation. I am old-fashioned when it comes to promises made by

:48:09.:48:16.

politicians. You think they should keep them? It started with the Iraq

:48:17.:48:20.

war, the lies that happened then, it left a shadow and it remains

:48:21.:48:26.

reflected there in the low levels of trust we have in our democratic

:48:27.:48:31.

system. Let us institute a new rule, if you make a promise, you keep to

:48:32.:48:35.

it. We remember the bus, totting up the figure, proportionally, it

:48:36.:48:40.

should mean 17 million a week for Wales. We were promised we would not

:48:41.:48:45.

lose a penny of EU money we get for farmers and regional development.

:48:46.:48:50.

The two together, it is 30 million a week, by my calculation, District

:48:51.:48:54.

General Hospital built in Wales with the money we were promised every

:48:55.:49:01.

month. Why are more people not listening to that message? If you

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are putting forward a comprehensive argument for Wales, why are you not

:49:05.:49:08.

gaining more votes from Labour for example? In the by-election last

:49:09.:49:14.

year, you came third behind Ukip. The message is falling on the dears.

:49:15.:49:19.

The local elections, the biggest opinion poll we could have, we

:49:20.:49:26.

almost had our best ever result -- falling on deaf ears. It is clear,

:49:27.:49:34.

the conversations I am having, people are listening, particularly

:49:35.:49:38.

disaffected Labour voters, but also people from other parties, they are

:49:39.:49:42.

looking for new leadership, a new voice. Wales is not on the political

:49:43.:49:46.

radar at the moment, a tiny blip in terms of the priorities for those

:49:47.:49:53.

people in Westminster... Isn't that down to you? We have got to reverse

:49:54.:49:58.

that. People sit up and listen in the corridors of power when Scotland

:49:59.:50:06.

is met -- when Scotland is mentioned because people vote SNP. Gibraltar

:50:07.:50:09.

is more talked about than Wales at the moment. The only way we can turn

:50:10.:50:14.

it around is if we vote collectively as a nation for the party of Wales.

:50:15.:50:21.

How strong a part does Welsh independence play in your manifesto?

:50:22.:50:27.

It is a long-term dream for a nation, it is in the foreword... It

:50:28.:50:36.

is a minor part? Let us be realistic. We are 30% poorer than

:50:37.:50:42.

the rest of the UK and it has been a story of decline under Labour and

:50:43.:50:45.

Conservative governments. You cannot go from that position being

:50:46.:50:49.

self-reliant economically by the flick of a switch. We are being tee

:50:50.:50:55.

asking for the new tools that we can have as a result of Brexit. -- we

:50:56.:51:03.

are asking for the neutrals. Give us the tools. We are not asking for

:51:04.:51:07.

charity, we are asking for help to help ourselves. Thank you very much,

:51:08.:51:10.

and price. -- Adam Price. Let's take a look now

:51:11.:51:15.

at the platform of another party standing in the general election -

:51:16.:51:18.

the Liberal Party. Not to be confused with

:51:19.:51:20.

the Liberal Democrats! The Liberal Party traces its roots

:51:21.:51:22.

back to 1859, but it was founded in its current form in 1989 by those

:51:23.:51:25.

opposed to the creation It has around 2,500 Twitter

:51:26.:51:28.

followers and campaigns for every citizen to possess liberty,

:51:29.:51:35.

property and security. The party seeks withdrawal

:51:36.:51:40.

from the European Union and campaigned for a leave vote

:51:41.:51:42.

in last year's referendum. It supports spending 0.7%

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of national income on overseas aid and would negotiate the cancellation

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of Third World debt. It also calls for the wider use

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of Esperanto as a language for all governments and people

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who wish to use it. Let us now go and speak to the man

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who represents the Liberal Party. Thank you for joining us. When we

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think of the Liberal Party, we think of the 19th century, Gladstone, what

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are the historic and intellectual antecedents for your party? It is a

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lot of the Gladstone principles of free trade, simplify taxation,

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encouraging business, they are as true and valid and useful for the UK

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looking ahead today as it was so many years ago. You call yourselves

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the real liberals and not the Lib Dems. Why are the Liberal Democrats,

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you can draw a line back from them to Gladstone as well, why are they

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not withdraw Democrats? There are a mixed bag. There are some colleagues

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who I would feel comfortable you liberals and others are openly

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campaigning on the basis they want a new centre party which is not

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particularly liberal and would have Tony Blair as its leader and they

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want centre politics and pro-European centralisation. To be

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blunt about it, the main difference between the Liberal Party and the

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Liberal Democrats is the Liberal Party is looking to Britain being a

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global player, a sovereign country looking out to the world, rather

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than the Liberal Democrats hankering back to sabotage Brexit and they

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want to sign up to the euro. There is a clear water shed. We have got

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Nick Clegg, former leader of the Lib Dems here, what do you say to that?

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I think Steve should join the Conservatives. I am not saying that

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facetiously, everything he said is mainstream conservative thinking,

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out of the EU, low tax, pro-enterprise, anti-state,

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perfectly venerable tradition in but it's politics, it is not one I fully

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share, but it represents the Conservative Party. -- in British

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politics. He should give way to his inner conservative. What is the

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answer? On social policy, the Liberal Party is in favour of

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redistribution of wealth. There are some things where we will agree and

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some things we will disagree on. I think the good things the Lib Dems

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did in the last coalition was sympathising taxation and raising

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the tax threshold. I would like more help for the low-paid and unlike the

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Lib Dems, we have a policy on taxing inheritances which are a source of

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great inequality in British society and using that to pay for choosing

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fees that he said he would abolish. There are differences where I agree

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with the Lib Dems and differences and similarities were I agree with

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the Conservatives but it does not stop me being a liberal and does not

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join I will join Tony Blair 's party. How would you tax

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inheritance? Get rid of the exemptions. Most people pay no tax

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at all. We could apply a modest rate of inheritance tax and we could fund

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start-up business grants and we could fund tuition fees and we could

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use... You could not fund tuition fees over changes to inheritance

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tax, it does not bring in that much. You look at the substantial amount

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of people who do not pay any inheritance at all, it would make a

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great step towards funding Trish and fees or at least modifying them --

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funding tuition fees. Thank you. Now, one of our favourite campaign

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pastimes is watching our politicians Chuka Ummuna was down with the dab

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at a school in Streatham Tom Watson recently performed this

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wants move in the Commons. And Jeremy Corbyn had a laid back

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chill out with rapper JME. What do you mean, you have never

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heard of him? But as ever, the French had

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to get one up on us. Have a look at France's new

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president I am just handing nick the prop. Do

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you know what these are? My aid-year-old loves this. -- my HQ

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roles. I am going to give you this one. -- my eight-year-old loves

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this. Have you started using it? Well, I mean, it is quite addictive.

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It is. What are they called? Fidget spinners. They are being sold like

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hot cakes and the man who invented it is not getting a penny. He did

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not secure the Copyright! Can you do tricks? You have got to try. Balance

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it on the finger like this and pop it on to the next one. I can't do it

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either. I would do it but mine doesn't work! Is it ever worth a

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politician trying to be cool? Yes because otherwise it wouldn't give

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you hours of amusement watching us fail! Live entertainment! We are

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very grateful. Do you think Emmanuel Macron is succeeding? The person who

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was the coolest of the cool is Justin Trudeau. And Obama. Justin

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Trudeau is... Just time before we go to find out the answer to the quiz.

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The question was, which of these election-related photos

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It is me. We never released the video which that was fought for very

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good reasons. We wanted to know what the reason was? It was so

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embarrassing. That is a good reason! Thanks to Nick Clegg

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and all our guests. Andrew and I will be back

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here at noon tomorrow with all the big political

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stories of the day. When it came to my TV habits,

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I'd watch anything.

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Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn are joined by former Liberal Democrat leader and deputy prime minister Nick Clegg for the latest news and analysis from the election campaign, including coverage of Labour's manifesto launch and an interview with shadow transport secretary Andy McDonald.