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Welcome to the Daily Politics and the last

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day of campaigning ahead of tomorrow's general election.

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The leaders have been clocking up the air miles.

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Theresa May was pressing the flesh at a meat market at half five this

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She's been talking about Brexit and new measures

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Jeremy Corbyn began the day at a rally in Glasgow,

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telling his supporters there are just 24 hours

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But he's had to reshuffle his top team after Diane Abbott stands aside

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The other party leaders are all out making their eleventh-hour

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pitches to the voters, and we'll be looking back at how

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this dramatic election campaign has unfolded.

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And I'll have our usual step-by-step guide to election night to help

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All that in the next hour - and with us for the duration, two men

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hoping to be re-elected as MPs tomorrow - Ed Vaizey

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for the Conservatives and David Lammy for Labour.

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And what better way to round off their campaigns than by appearing

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on the last Daily Politics election special?

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I'm sorry, that should have read finish off their campaigns. We shall

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see. Anyway, welcome to both of you. So today we'll be reflecting

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on this final frenetic day of the election and looking back

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at the whole of the campaign. But let's begin with a look

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at the front pages. Most are still understandably

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focused on the aftermath of the terror attack in London

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at the weekend. But some have a more political angle

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and the common theme is security. The Sun, picking up a story

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from blogger Guido Fawkes, says Jeremy Corbyn gave a speech

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at a demonstration attended by members of the outlawed

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group Al-Muhajaroon, some said to be dressed

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as suicide bombers Labour says it was a public event

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and Mr Corbyn was not The Guardian's headline is 'May

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threatens to dismantle human rights laws in wake of terror attacks',

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following on from a speech by the Prime Minister last night

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when she set out a series The Financial Times

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leads on that story too. It says Theresa May is targeting

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Labour heartlands and is 'ramping up the anti-terror rhetoric'

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in response to criticism of her And the Daily Mail's headline

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is "apologists for terror" with pictures of Jeremy Corbyn,

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John McDonnell and Diane Abbott. The paper is no fan of Labour's top

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team and says they have spent their whole career 'cosying up

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to those who hate our country'. Well, let's take a look

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at that announcement She's talking about tightening

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restrictions on suspects, making it easier to expel foreign

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offenders and, if necessary, opting out of some human

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rights laws, which she says are used to block

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efforts to deport terrorists. and then we'll hear from the Labour

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leader Jeremy Corbyn responding. I mean longer prison

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sentences for those convicted I mean making it easier

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for the authorities to deport foreign terrorist suspects back

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to their own country. And I mean doing more to restrict

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the freedom and movements of terrorist subjects when we have

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enough evidence to know they are a threat, but not enough

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evidence to prosecute them in court. And if our human rights laws

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stop us from doing it, we'll change the laws

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so we can do it. We won't defeat terrorism

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by ripping up our basic We defeat terrorism by our

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communities, by our vigilance, and by police action to isolate

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and detain those that Obviously, if somebody is a foreign

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national resident in Britain who is committing crimes,

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then clearly, the law The issue is police numbers

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and police security. That was the Prime Minister and

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Jeremy Corbyn. Ed Vaizey, three weeks ago when Theresa May launch

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the Tory manifesto, she guaranteed the Human Rights Act would continue

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to apply and we would remain subject to the European Court of Human

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Rights. Is that still valid? As far as I am aware, it is still valid and

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there are plenty in the Conservative Party you support the articles on

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human rights. What she said yesterday was deaf. If our human

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rights laws get in the way of doing it, we will change the laws. But

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that is not what she said in a manner that still? What you said in

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the manifesto was that we would remain a signatory to the European

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convention and we would have a Human Rights Act. -- in her manifesto. In

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France, as you know, you can opt out of bits of the European convention.

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So is that a possibility? I am not a Home Office minister and I am not

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privy to the Prime Minister's thinking but logically it would be a

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possibility for the UK if it felt it necessary as other countries has

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done, as Ireland did during the troubles, to derivate from it if

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they feel it necessary. There will be a range of things they could

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potentially do. She says that if our human rights laws get in the way, we

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will change the law. How do you change the human rights of ECA char?

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As I say, you can have a derivation. -- ECHR. You would have a Human

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Rights Act that you can potentially amend. She said in the manifesto, we

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will not repeal or replace. I think the interesting thing, we can talk

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about process or the substance of what people are having to face up

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to. But we're talking about someone who was Home Secretary for six

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years. Two things come from these terrible events in Manchester and

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London and one is this grey area where you know people are extremists

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but they have not committed a crime. It is quite clear that the guy who

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was on the Channel 4 documentary was on the extremes but the authorities

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felt they couldn't do anything because he had not committed a

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crime. The Prime Minister made it explicit that that is clearly an

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area of concern. How do you deal with this when people go right up to

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the edge of breaking the law? The authorities know that common sense

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dictates that they are risk. So why did you not seek control orders? The

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control orders were consistently struck down. So you change the laws

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to make sure that the course can do that. But these were much softer. We

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wanted to make sure they were not consistently struck down. There is

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no point having a tough law if it gets knocked back every time. It is

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more important to have a law that the courts accept. Was it a mistake

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to scrap control orders? No. I think you can scrap the concept of control

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orders and still put controls on people who you think are a danger to

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the public and you can use it through this new process. It is not

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necessary because the courts can't overturning them. How many of these

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not so tough control orders have you had? This is not the traditional

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survivor, where you test my knowledge. -- traditional ECHR. It

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is probably like 100. It is not like 100. Having opposed Mr Blair when he

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wanted a longer time to be able to detain suspects, Theresa May now

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looks like she wants more detention as well. Well, if you remember Mr

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Blair... 28 days. He put out a proposal for 48 days. He, my

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standing coalition, we were reduced to 14 days. So you played coalition

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politics rather than the security of the country. That was give-and-take

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on both sides about what people thought were appropriate. Let me

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give you one final question. Why would longer prison sentences, as

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Mrs May has called for, why would that deter those, as in Westminster,

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Manchester and London Bridge, who are on a suicide mission? I think

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what people are talking about is a range of measures to combat that

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terrorist threat. But longer prison sentences would make no difference

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to those people who carried out suicide attacks? It may be that if

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you are able to look at how you catch people before they commit

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these crimes, and extend the prosecution, putting them away from

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longer, it will keep the public sector. I am sure there are hundreds

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of people who are due to be released and the public would think,

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actually, that person could still potentially pose a threat and we

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wish they had been given a longer prison sentence. I think it is

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possible, perfectly possible to look at a range of different measures to

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combat terrorism. You want to respond to that? Just to say that

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look, I was in Belmarsh prison a few weeks ago with some men there that

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have been put there because of terrorism. And these are seriously

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bad people. They need to be kept under house arrest. They need to be

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permanently tanked. We need to control who they can speak to and

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liaise with. Which was the original control orders. And that was watered

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down. Would you like to bring this back? I am for it. These are bad

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people and the need to be controlled. Do you accept that

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control orders were consistently overturned by the court, it was a

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unilateral decision. In coalition with the Liberal Democrats you

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watered down. That is what happened. Let me ask you this, David Lammy.

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Because it interesting, you say you would like to go back to that

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control order. But as your leader, Mr Corbyn, has he ever voted for any

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toughening of the anti-terrorist laws? He hasn't, never. Does that

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make you uneasy? Well, he wasn't leading the Labour Party at the

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time. He was speaking from the backbenches. And you will find...

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Does that matter? Is the man who could be our next Prime Minister and

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indeed boasted in 2011, quote, I have been involved in opposing

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anti-terrorist legislation ever since I first went into Parliament

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in 1983. Theresa May voted against same-sex legislation. She has

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voted... Lets stick to the anti-terror legislation. The point

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is, Andrew, of course you can go back in a parliamentary career of 30

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years. But he never voted once. You could find things in a backbencher's

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record that do not stand up. I have not denied that he never voted. I am

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answering your question. Why should we trust the security of this

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country to someone who is opposed and has opposed every effort to

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toughen up anti-terrorism legislation? That is a decision for

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the electorates tomorrow. But what is your answer to my question? We

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should not be judging him on the basis of that, we should be basing

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it on what he is saying today. What he's saying today is that it is the

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Conservatives that watered down control orders and cut the police

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budgets under Theresa May, that is the government that we have had and

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is what they stand for. Andrew izzard, at a time when we're

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probably more dependent on the security services than ever before,

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who is it that a couple of years ago wanted to abolish MI5? I am not

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aware of that one. John McDonnell, the number two. I am so unaware of

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that. He signed a document and indeed there is a picture of him

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holding this document. He wanted to abolish MI5. So you have a leader

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who has never supported any toughening of the anti-terrorism

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situation and a number two, a Shadow Chancellor who wanted to abolish

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MI5. Well, you're putting that to me and I have never heard of before. I

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assume if they wanted to do it he wanted to replace it with something

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else. Well, he also wanted to abolish armed police. All of these

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individuals were on the backbenches for years. And they are now subject

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to... It is your responsibility, can I pick up on collective

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responsibility. Briefly. Are you going to sit here and say to Andrew

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that the Tories are weak and you want tough control orders? Your

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Brexit secretary, Kier Starmer, has been touring the studios this

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morning saying that Theresa May is wrong to question the Human Rights

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Act yet you are here to say you will bring in tough anti-terrorism is.

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Nobody believes a word of it because Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell had

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been sympathetic to terrorism for the last 30 years. But she turned on

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national insurance, and has you turned on the dementia tax and now

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she is U-turning on this. How can you trust someone who you turns like

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that? But we're talking about security, the security of the

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nation, and we're talking about lives. We're talking about an

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election campaign which has seen two terrorist attacks during the

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campaign itself. Is it a disadvantage that your leader seems

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to be addressing lots of meetings over the years of people who are

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extremists, Islamist, anti-Semites, homophobes, misogynists. He has

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addressed these various groups. This latest one, there is a group in the

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audience shouting, gas the dues, gas Tel Aviv, and he is addressing that

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group. Does that not concern you? I find that deeply offensive. Any

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suggestion of gassing Tel Aviv or anything that is about attacking our

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friends in Israel, I think is full. But what I would say is that on a

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programme like this, at the end of the election, no offence, you have

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spent the last few minutes on the past. How else to judge you? How

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else can I judge you? I have to judge you by your record. I expect

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that the manifesto and going forward, the Conservative record is

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a regular government of cutting police, watering down control

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orders, and ending the preventer gender. That is their record and you

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are talking about backbenchers in the past.

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The viewers and voters will determine.

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Let's find out how the parties are spending the final

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day of this campaign. Adam Fleming has all the details.

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I'm spending the last few hours of the Daily Politics at Westminster on

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College Green, which has been turned into a tented media for the media to

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cover the elections. I got in trouble with CNN for photo bombing

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them. Hello, world. That is the BBC sport up there. I hope you have a

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head for heights. It is windy as well. I am sure it will be an

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enjoyable watch. As is customary, the last 24 hour sees party leaders

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running around like headless chickens, but it is a carefully

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choreographed dash for votes. Here is what has happened this morning.

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Ridiculously early o'clock and the PM was taking the phrase meet and

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greet literally by visiting Smithfield market. Obviously not

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courting of Eden vote, then. Listen carefully and you can hear a handful

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of butchers booing. BOOING Lib Dem leader Tim Farron was in

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Solihull to continue his cooking Tour of Britain. He whipped up

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sausages with sauerkraut as a warning against what he calls a hard

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Tory breakfast... I mean, Brexit. In Glasgow, the Labour leader held

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the first of six rallies today. Behind the scenes, shadow police Mr

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Lyn Brown took over from the Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott, who is

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still ill. Actually, Jeremy has been sounding a bit cranky lately. They

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claimed my voice was bad. Outrageous. My voice is... Fine! Mrs

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May was at a bowling club in Southampton fresh from revelations

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that he ran through wheat fields as a child. We learned another personal

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gem about the PM. Her teen order. Cup of tea, no milk. Thanks for

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coming out. Something stronger for Tim Farron, by this point, he was in

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a pub in St Albans to talk about business rates.

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Poor muscle to Ukip's message to Great Yarmouth. They love a market,

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these politicians. Mr Corbyn and his press entourage have just arrived

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for a speech in a field in Runcorn. As we speak, Caroline Lucas is in

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the green spot of Brighton. Theresa May has touched down in Norfolk in

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the last dash for votes. The dash will continue over lunch

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time this afternoon and into deceiving. Theresa May is going

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North Norfolk to the Midlands. The Lib Dems are going West to Oxford

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and Bristol. That is where Jonathan Bartley will be. At midnight, the

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only thing that will be blowing through here is the Tumbleweed,

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because we will all be legally silent on polling day until 10pm

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when we get the exit poll. Thanks, Adam. Legally silent for 24 hours or

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less, enjoy it. Now, compared to the 2015

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election, when the deficit There's been relatively little

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discussion of the public finances That's not because the deficit has

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disappeared, it's still there, although a third of the size

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of what it was in 2010. So we thought we'd remind

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you of where the two main parties stand when it comes to the economy,

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and how they plan to balance The Conservatives have

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said their plan is to eliminate the budget deficit by 2025,

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10 years on from their They've ruled out a rise in VAT,

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but have made no specific pledges on national insurance contributions

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or the rate of income tax. They will, however, go ahead

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with their planned tax cuts by increasing the personal tax

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allowance and the higher While also fulfilling a previous

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pledge to cut corporation tax on businesses to 17% by 2020,

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making it the lowest rate Labour's plan is to spend ?25

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billion a year on infrastructure, a policy that could boost growth

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in the short term but would add They've gone further

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than the Conservatives in promising no increases in national insurance

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as well as no rise in VAT. But they do plan to reintroduce

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the 50p tax rate and raise income As well as increasing

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the corporation tax rate Both parties have also said they'll

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be looking at changes to other major The Conservatives are promising

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a review of business rates, to take better account

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of online businesses. Although the party's previous

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attempts to reform business rates While Labour is courting

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controversy of its own, it's promising a review of council

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tax and business rates, and suggests instead

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a tax on the value of the land. Let's pick up on the last idea.

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David Lammy, a land value tax to replace council tax and business

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rates, do you approve of that? Actually, in the book I wrote after

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the 2010 election, I refloated the idea of a land value tax the two

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reasons. One, because at the moment we have council tax, which is

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effectively our tax on property. It has not been revalued since 1991. I

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think that is grossly unfair. Two, because here, if you are serious

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about the North and south divide, here in the south of England,

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effectively, there are people making more on their home in a year than

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people get paid. If you are able to play the lottery of land, and that

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is the case for those of us of a certain age who bought property

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20-30 years ago, or those who inherit from their parents, you can

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make huge gains. For that reason, it is right to look at land. You can

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redistribute money in a different way. We need a better formula for

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taxing those individuals. Right, but it could mean that ordinary people

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in not very expensive homes, particularly in London and the

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south-east, could pay a lot more. We have had no details about this land

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value tax and how it will be calibrated. But assuming it will be

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small, 2% or 3%, you can end up paying two or three times as much

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per year as you currently do on council tax. It about fairness. In a

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sense, are we going to stick with the council tax where the bands have

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not been relived at the 26 years, or should we consult looking at

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something different? I think the manifesto Sibley says let's have a

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look. I understand that. But any calculation I have seen involving

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people whose council tax at the moment may be ?1000 a year, ?1200,

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under this formula, even on modest land value taxation assumptions, it

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goes up to two, three, 4000 a year for ordinary families. My view is

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the current system is unfair on young people. It's an unfair on

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people beyond London and the south-east. Would it be fair to

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increase a very generous... To double or triple their local taxes,

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would that be fair? I don't recognise that. You haven't done the

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work. Come on, the burden of this will fall on some very rich people

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in London. The burden will fall on everybody. That's how it works.

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Unless you read. I was in Yorkshire yesterday, how did they end up

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paying more out of this scheme? -- unless you rent. Particularly in the

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London and south-east area, they would pay more, including your

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constituents. Not my constituency! Of course they would. Most of my

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constituents are in private rented or council homes. Not my

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constituents at all. If you want to redistribute wealth to the north and

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rebalance the economy, London... All right. We need to look at this, of

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course we do! Where's the Chancellor? He's a lot more visible

:24:49.:24:53.

than John McDonnell, I can tell you that! I think I read on a website

:24:54.:25:00.

today that he has got the third most mentions in the media after Amber

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Rudd and Boris Johnson. That is because people like me asking where

:25:04.:25:07.

he is. Busy missing the election? I follow him on Twitter. You should

:25:08.:25:13.

follow him on Twitter. He has been in a lot of Labour seats. Why is he

:25:14.:25:18.

excluded from the National campaign? He has been prominent. He likes to

:25:19.:25:21.

pound the pavements. He's the Chancellor. Why have you not fought

:25:22.:25:28.

this campaign in any way on your economic record? That is a fair

:25:29.:25:33.

point. I wish we had talked about our economic record. We have created

:25:34.:25:38.

3 million jobs. We have reduced tax the 31 million people. Are you

:25:39.:25:45.

ashamed of it? We have cut the deficit by two thirds. We have a

:25:46.:25:48.

fantastic record. Why no mention of it? I don't remember Mrs made making

:25:49.:25:54.

a speech about it? The election takes on a life of its own. Also,

:25:55.:26:00.

not of the theme when we started the election was about Brexit and other

:26:01.:26:03.

issues have taken over. Not the economy. We haven't talked enough

:26:04.:26:08.

about the land value tax. We have done that. Can you remember a

:26:09.:26:15.

previous campaign in which the Conservatives, all parties, made so

:26:16.:26:21.

little about the economy? Well, I have been campaigning since probably

:26:22.:26:26.

the 1987 election. I don't remember all campaigns. Somebody said to me

:26:27.:26:33.

last night, in 1992, just as you would engulf the Tory party, Europe

:26:34.:26:39.

did not feature in the election campaign. The economy has always

:26:40.:26:44.

been central. People are obsessed about it, but you have given me the

:26:45.:26:48.

opportunity to talk about our economic record, for which I am

:26:49.:26:53.

grateful. On the labour policy, this extra 50 billion a year of current

:26:54.:26:57.

spending, I put aside what you would borrow to invest as well, but on

:26:58.:27:01.

current spending, 50 billion, and it will come, you say you will raise it

:27:02.:27:09.

from companies and the rich, or at least the much better off. The ISS

:27:10.:27:14.

is clear, it says "You cannot raise that amount of money for only

:27:15.:27:23.

countries and the rich." It is not quite 50 billion, that is the first

:27:24.:27:28.

thing. Let's get the figure right. There are some on Costa promises as

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well. 50 billion is a nice, round figure. You cannot raise that from

:27:35.:27:39.

countries and the bridge alone. "It Doesn't add up stock" that is what

:27:40.:27:47.

the ISS says. We have been very clear that we want to see a

:27:48.:27:51.

corporation tax rise to 26% and not 19%. That is corporations. You won't

:27:52.:27:58.

get that amount of money. We think there should be writers for those on

:27:59.:28:04.

80,000 a year. We should return to a 50p income tax rate for very high

:28:05.:28:10.

earners. We think... You can't raise that amount of money. What... What

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if you don't? What if... You borrow more that is a decision for a

:28:23.:28:29.

Chancellor, as you know that may be one of the reasons you haven't

:28:30.:28:32.

talked too much about the economy is what has happened to public sector

:28:33.:28:34.

pay. It is at its lowest in relation to

:28:35.:28:38.

private sector pay since the government started collecting data.

:28:39.:28:40.

It looks pretty bad stop it looks like public sector workers

:28:41.:28:51.

are still feeling the pinch and bearing the brunt. Not only have we

:28:52.:28:57.

created 3 million jobs, we have taken a lot of people completely out

:28:58.:29:00.

of tax, raising the tax threshold for people on low incomes and

:29:01.:29:04.

introduced the national minimum wage. And squeezed public sector

:29:05.:29:08.

pay. There have been a lot of initiatives to help people on lower

:29:09.:29:13.

pay. I think our economic record stands for itself. One reason we

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haven't talked about it, we did take a leaf out of David Lammy's book and

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we look into the future, like Brexit, the choice between Theresa

:29:21.:29:28.

May and Jeremy Corbin. We need to move on.

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Today we will take stock of the campaigns one and of April. Let's

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begin with the highlights and not so highlights.

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I have just chaired a meeting of the Cabinet where we agreed

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that the government should call a general election.

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I'll be talking about... Strong and stable leadership?

:29:53.:29:57.

There is a reason to talking about strong and stable leadership.

:29:58.:30:03.

There is a risk that people will kind of say,

:30:04.:30:09.

"Well, he's just an Islingtonian herbivore,

:30:10.:30:11.

The manifesto to see us through Brexit and beyond.

:30:12.:30:36.

Four days ago, your manifesto rejected a cap on social care costs.

:30:37.:30:48.

Nothing has changed from the prinicples on social care

:30:49.:30:50.

policy that we set out in our manifesto.

:30:51.:30:52.

Let's be clear, we have not changed the principles that we set

:30:53.:30:54.

He has this money tree wish list in his manifesto.

:30:55.:31:05.

There isn't a magic money tree that we can shake that suddenly

:31:06.:31:08.

provides for everything that people want.

:31:09.:31:10.

When it comes to taking on extremism and terrorism,

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We have protected counterterrorism policing budgets.

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The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Theresa May.

:31:17.:31:18.

During this Tory campaign have been a number of U-turns. The act of

:31:19.:31:40.

holding a election was a U-turn, because we were told were not going

:31:41.:31:44.

have one. Now it is the wider Conservative brand, and we have seen

:31:45.:31:47.

a U-turn on some terrorism issues as well. Where is strong and stable?

:31:48.:31:55.

I'm not sure I would characterise that as a U-turn. I don't know why

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you were saying there should be a U-turn on terrorism legislation. We

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have talked about that at length. Because you were talking about

:32:04.:32:08.

detention, and you are talking... The prime ministers perfectly

:32:09.:32:10.

entitled to talk about what we need to do to make our country safer.

:32:11.:32:15.

That is what the country would expect. In terms of social care, we

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made it very clear that we would have a cap in the sense that you

:32:20.:32:23.

would be able to keep ?100,000 of savings. It was interesting to hear

:32:24.:32:27.

David Lammy, who presumably has been running around for the last few

:32:28.:32:30.

weeks saying that it is a disgrace that your house is being taken into

:32:31.:32:35.

account. Well, your house is not taken into account when you are

:32:36.:32:41.

alive, and he is interested in a land tax. Actually, I have been

:32:42.:32:45.

saying that this is a woman who will negotiate for Europe and she has now

:32:46.:32:50.

U-turn to three times in a week. How will she stand up to 2017? Your

:32:51.:32:59.

proposals, the dimension tax, she U-turns on that. It is weakness. --

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the dementia tax. No doubt many people will express on Twitter that

:33:07.:33:10.

they dislike this kind of exchange between politicians. You might say

:33:11.:33:13.

that they are U-turns but the fact is that Theresa May, in our

:33:14.:33:18.

manifesto, put forward some challenging policies on issues like

:33:19.:33:21.

social care and the Winter fuel payments. And she has been attacked

:33:22.:33:28.

on those challenging policies, and she is facing up to them and putting

:33:29.:33:32.

them to the country, whereas Labour are simply offering an endless list

:33:33.:33:36.

of freebies, paid for on the never-never? If that is true, why

:33:37.:33:42.

did you started this campaign 20 points ahead of the polls and are

:33:43.:33:47.

now in some neck and neck. What has gone right? I'm going to answer it

:33:48.:33:53.

in my inevitable question. The other thing that puts people off

:33:54.:33:56.

politicians is when they say the only thing that matters is the

:33:57.:34:01.

polls. And I have to say that in this case, I have never felt it

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more. Because the polling is all over the place and it is not what is

:34:05.:34:09.

happening on the ground. If the polling was so good, David Lammy

:34:10.:34:12.

would not have spent yesterday in Yorkshire at three marginal Labour

:34:13.:34:16.

seats. He would have spent them at three Tory marginal seats if they

:34:17.:34:19.

thought Labour could win. We know what is happening on the ground.

:34:20.:34:24.

There are going to be a lot of eggs on a lot of pollster's faces. Have

:34:25.:34:33.

you ever seen a more poor Tory campaign? We can talk about the

:34:34.:34:38.

wobble in 1986. This is not a wobble, this is a loss of a lead. I

:34:39.:34:42.

think the great Sunday times, 30 years later we still talk about an

:34:43.:34:47.

election wobble. Let's not beat about the bush, we start as the

:34:48.:34:51.

favourites in this campaign, and I think the media have done a good job

:34:52.:34:54.

of making it look like it is going to be a close election. The media

:34:55.:34:59.

has done that? Given the issues that we have talked about in terms of

:35:00.:35:04.

Jeremy Corbyn's fitness for office, his constant sucking up to terrorist

:35:05.:35:10.

organisations... But the bigger government in this campaign, first

:35:11.:35:13.

of all Mr Corbyn now looks like he is enjoying this election, and not

:35:14.:35:17.

desperate for it to end, actually. He is enjoying it. Mrs May looks

:35:18.:35:21.

like she can't wait to get over it and to bring it to an end. It has

:35:22.:35:27.

been like a form of Chinese water torture for. I should not be

:35:28.:35:33.

laughing... But it is intensely subjective, that analysis. I cannot

:35:34.:35:37.

possibly answer it, given that is your view of what Theresa May has

:35:38.:35:44.

been feeling. But her personal ratings were stratospheric and they

:35:45.:35:47.

now have come way down. You get this line trotted out that she will not

:35:48.:35:51.

answer questions. She has travelled five times more than Jeremy Corbyn,

:35:52.:35:54.

and in five or six times more questions from the media. She has

:35:55.:35:59.

been all over the country and the great thing about, she has been to

:36:00.:36:04.

Labour marginals that we hope to take. Jeremy Corbyn has stuck to his

:36:05.:36:08.

heartlands and he will not get out of the heartlands to face Tory

:36:09.:36:12.

voters to win them over. But yes no, do you regret calling this election

:36:13.:36:16.

close? I did not collared close. Elections are hard work. But I am

:36:17.:36:21.

glad and I think we will come back with a stronger mandate. We shall

:36:22.:36:27.

see. In about 36 hours. Anyway, that was the Conservatives.

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It's the establishment versus the people.

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It's our historic duty to make sure that people prevail.

:36:38.:36:46.

How much would 10,000 police officers cost?

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We believe it will be about ?300,000.

:36:51.:36:52.

Mr Lavery, Mr Green, where is Mr Corbyn?

:36:53.:37:04.

Our manifesto will be an offer, and we believe the policies

:37:05.:37:07.

Why would the British people want as their leader a man

:37:08.:37:18.

I didn't support the IRA, I don't support the IRA.

:37:19.:37:22.

Do you regret your support for the IRA back in the 80s?

:37:23.:37:26.

That particular quote you are referring to comes

:37:27.:37:31.

from a now defunct left newspaper, and it had, as well...

:37:32.:37:36.

Fair is when you bring people in when they've got jobs to come

:37:37.:37:44.

to or it is necessary for them to come to workhere, or we need them

:37:45.:37:47.

Whether the community gets together to support everybody,

:37:48.:37:56.

or we just let the rich get richer, and the rest suffer.

:37:57.:37:59.

I'll give you the figure in a moment.

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You've announced a major policy and you don't know

:38:07.:38:11.

David Lammy, Jeremy Corbyn couldn't recall the cost of his childcare

:38:12.:38:28.

policy on the day he was launching it. John McDonnell, the Shadow

:38:29.:38:33.

Chancellor, didn't know the size of the budget deficit and Diane Abbott

:38:34.:38:36.

didn't know the cost of extra police officers promised in the manifesto,

:38:37.:38:41.

nor the contents of the report on London policing, although she is a

:38:42.:38:44.

London MP like you. Is your leadership up to running the

:38:45.:38:49.

country? In every election cycle there are moments when quizzed about

:38:50.:38:56.

particular figures in a certain way, you haven't quite got the numbers. I

:38:57.:39:01.

remember in the last campaign that was a real problem for Natalie

:39:02.:39:05.

Bennett, running for the greens, on housing. Things come up. I remember

:39:06.:39:10.

being the first person on the news after John Prescott punched

:39:11.:39:15.

somebody. Natalie Bennett was never going to be Prime Minister. All

:39:16.:39:19.

these things come up. Mr Corbyn couldn't remember childcare on the

:39:20.:39:23.

day he was launching the policy. Look, come on, I think in the end a

:39:24.:39:31.

lot of people went into this election is almost assuming that

:39:32.:39:33.

Jeremy Corbyn would be running scared. He has had a fantastic

:39:34.:39:38.

campaign because he is a great campaigner, and as you have just

:39:39.:39:43.

said, he is relishing it and the polls have closed as a consequence.

:39:44.:39:47.

But what I asked was whether, not as campaigning abilities, which I agree

:39:48.:39:51.

with you, have strengthened as the election has gone on, what I asked

:39:52.:39:57.

was whether he, Mr McDonnell and Diane Abbott were competent enough

:39:58.:40:00.

to run the country? Of course they are. We were worried at the point at

:40:01.:40:07.

which there was a leak of our manifesto, and we got a bounce as a

:40:08.:40:11.

consequence because it is a great manifesto. And actually, when you

:40:12.:40:15.

knock on doors, people know the policies. They like what they are

:40:16.:40:20.

hearing. About income tax. But if you are about to be the Shadow Home

:40:21.:40:23.

Secretary, and do we know how Diane Abbott is? I sent her a message this

:40:24.:40:30.

morning but I have not heard back. We know she is not well. But we do

:40:31.:40:36.

not know how is. On the basis that she would be the next Home

:40:37.:40:40.

Secretary, proposing 20,000 extra police officers, surely it is basic

:40:41.:40:45.

competence to know what that would cost? Look, we're going back over

:40:46.:40:49.

old ground. But it is the election, we are talking about the election

:40:50.:40:54.

campaign! That is the point of the statement! It is about the election

:40:55.:41:02.

campaign! He has given up now. It is not about Gladstone versus Disraeli,

:41:03.:41:06.

it is about carbon versus Theresa May! -- Jeremy Corbyn versus Theresa

:41:07.:41:14.

May. She got one interview wrong. The press has been mercilessly she

:41:15.:41:18.

then got another one wrong on the Harris report. The press has been

:41:19.:41:23.

mercilessly. But it is the whole thrust of our campaign, which is a

:41:24.:41:28.

great manifesto on any analysis, traction in the country and the poll

:41:29.:41:31.

closing. That is the story. Let me ask you this, it has been

:41:32.:41:38.

interesting because you can often tell where parties hope to do well

:41:39.:41:41.

by where the leaders and the other top people in that party go. And the

:41:42.:41:45.

Tories have been going to lots of seats that years ago they would not

:41:46.:41:48.

have had a hope of winning in the Midlands or the North. They must now

:41:49.:41:52.

think they have, but your leader has essentially gone to areas which are

:41:53.:41:59.

already solid Labour areas. What does that tell us? Look, I think

:42:00.:42:05.

there is another story in this election. He is going over old

:42:06.:42:12.

ground. There is another story, and that is returned to party politics.

:42:13.:42:16.

It is the case that there are people who voted Ukip and those Ukip voters

:42:17.:42:23.

are up for grabs, and are returning to mainstream parties. So of course

:42:24.:42:28.

the Labour Party is in those areas persuading those voters to come back

:42:29.:42:35.

to Labour. But you tended to go to seats where, not you personally but

:42:36.:42:44.

your party leader, where Mr Corbyn, even if the Ukip vote collapsed to

:42:45.:42:47.

the Tories, the Tories would still not win. Gateshead, last night. We

:42:48.:42:55.

have been all over the country. Jeremy has been all over the

:42:56.:43:00.

country, permanently on the road. And Diane Abbott, if you were

:43:01.:43:04.

watching, we wish you a speedy recovery and we hope that illness

:43:05.:43:08.

goes away very quickly. Making predictions the day before a general

:43:09.:43:12.

election is a mugs game that year on the daily Latics, we are well-known

:43:13.:43:13.

for her remarks. What are the bookies thinking? After

:43:14.:43:34.

seven weeks of campaigning, the big question is are the Tories going to

:43:35.:43:40.

fail at the final hurdles? They are 1-10 favourites for most tomorrow

:43:41.:43:45.

but a month ago, it would have been a short as 1-50. The momentum has

:43:46.:43:50.

certainly been with Jeremy Corbyn, and Labour is now in at 6-1.

:43:51.:43:55.

Yesterday, customer placed a bet of ?1000 at 1000-1 on the greens

:43:56.:44:00.

winning most seats. Good luck to that chap because I was not aware

:44:01.:44:03.

that pigs could fly but the Tories are still the favourites here and

:44:04.:44:06.

they have been the favourites for most votes. That is gone 21-6. But

:44:07.:44:12.

the big move in the last few days comes with the thinking that there

:44:13.:44:15.

will be a hung parliament. That is now just a 9-2 shot for an overall

:44:16.:44:21.

majority. Labour, still a very big price to get that majority and get

:44:22.:44:25.

over the line. But the Prime Minister, on the 1st of July, if

:44:26.:44:29.

there is a hung parliament, punters think that Theresa May could be in

:44:30.:44:32.

there but will she be in a better position than she was at the start

:44:33.:44:36.

of April before she called this snap election? We still think she is the

:44:37.:44:42.

favourite, but Jeremy Corbyn, over 70% of the bets have been for him. A

:44:43.:44:46.

lot of punters are thinking that Theresa May might have to stand

:44:47.:44:51.

down, having called this, and they might win not as convincingly as

:44:52.:44:55.

they thought they would, so Amber Rudd has come into 200-1, after her

:44:56.:45:00.

performance in the debates. Boris Johnson, someone had ?2000 on him in

:45:01.:45:07.

a shop at Chelsea. I cannot see that happening. I think you need somebody

:45:08.:45:11.

more strong and stable, you could say. Hammond is in there as 50-1 but

:45:12.:45:15.

it is all going towards the Tories as we get into the final 24 hours.

:45:16.:45:20.

That money is coming out but it is worth noting that there is a deja vu

:45:21.:45:25.

scenario, similar to Brexit and the US election, in that there is more

:45:26.:45:30.

money going on the favourites but more individual money going on the

:45:31.:45:32.

outsiders. Time will tell tomorrow there is right. The bookies, the

:45:33.:45:36.

statisticians, the pollsters, who knows? But we reckon the Tories.

:45:37.:45:42.

You have odds of 2-9 for a Conservative majority, you need ?9

:45:43.:45:52.

on two win ?2. Correct. What are the odds of a Tory majority north of 80,

:45:53.:45:56.

which was the original hope of calling the election? The line is

:45:57.:46:03.

set at Bet365. Our stats at the moment suggest Theresa May will get

:46:04.:46:11.

a majority of 70. Those odds have come in right now. Our line at the

:46:12.:46:19.

moment is Tory in their seat at 360. There will be people not too happy.

:46:20.:46:22.

So that's the bookies' view, but what of the opinion polls?

:46:23.:46:25.

Well, one firm, Survation, said on Monday it believed

:46:26.:46:30.

the Conservative lead over Labour is down to just one point.

:46:31.:46:33.

Other polling firms still think the Tories are as much

:46:34.:46:35.

We're joined now by Damien Lyons-Lowe from Survation,

:46:36.:46:38.

and Deborah Mattinson from Britain Thinks.

:46:39.:46:42.

Welcome to you both. Your latest poll predict a 1-point lead for the

:46:43.:46:53.

Conservatives. Some of us remember at the start of the campaign, some

:46:54.:46:57.

polls were over 20 points. One point would mean a hung parliament, and

:46:58.:47:02.

the Tories losing the majority, wouldn't it? It would mean using our

:47:03.:47:07.

most recent Scotland figures from the Sunday Post, plugging those into

:47:08.:47:14.

a Scotland predictor, and plugging, doing a simple national swing and a

:47:15.:47:18.

future weeks, nothing too special. There would be a no overall majority

:47:19.:47:27.

situation. So the answer is, yes. That's a yes. I was giving you my

:47:28.:47:34.

working, so yes, hung parliament. We got there in the end. I was

:47:35.:47:42.

beginning to lose the will to live. I'm a massive outlier here, I will

:47:43.:47:43.

be the most wrong or the most right. Translations will follow. Yes.

:47:44.:48:01.

Debra, to you, do you agree with this Survation poll, is it an

:48:02.:48:07.

outlier or mainstream? It is an outlier. In a word, no. I don't

:48:08.:48:16.

think so. Because? I think that what Survation has done is interesting.

:48:17.:48:21.

Damien shows his working on his website, but I think there is a big

:48:22.:48:27.

presumption about turnout, about young people, there is a danger that

:48:28.:48:34.

his sample includes too many workers too highly engaged in politics. Also

:48:35.:48:38.

the fieldwork, am I right, it was before Saturday night? Friday and

:48:39.:48:44.

Saturday. You have got another one coming up? We do. When is that

:48:45.:48:50.

coming up? What day is it today? Have I got to tell you which day it

:48:51.:48:57.

is? It is a really reliable poll. It is complicated and it is Wednesday.

:48:58.:49:02.

It is coming out at 11pm tonight. Good, I am glad we got there, too.

:49:03.:49:09.

On the 1%, what turned out among younger people are you assuming? In

:49:10.:49:18.

the post on Survation .com, you can give a 2015 assumption of turnout,

:49:19.:49:23.

and the results don't change. You can use a 2015 assumption turnout,

:49:24.:49:30.

it makes two points difference. By Micro age category, you can use, if

:49:31.:49:34.

you like, and EU referendum turnout by it. Turnout went up by a lot. It

:49:35.:49:44.

did. In 2015, the turnout was 46% among 18-24s. What are you assuming

:49:45.:49:52.

it will be this time? I read the article and let people do whatever

:49:53.:49:55.

they want to do. What it doesn't change our figures.

:49:56.:50:01.

OK, I can talk about this the days, we all have the same numbers. All

:50:02.:50:13.

the pollsters have the same numbers, except their turnout weights are

:50:14.:50:22.

jamming up... OK. I am not sure I entirely followed it. But I do think

:50:23.:50:29.

that is an issue. The voting age when thing is an issue with the

:50:30.:50:34.

sample as well. It is a random sample, there is no issue with

:50:35.:50:38.

engagement. We start with a random sample. You have 1.2% saying they

:50:39.:50:43.

did not vote in last year's referendum, and a further 10.6

:50:44.:50:48.

saying they can't remember. Only 12.5% saying they did not vote in

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2015. That's... In your sample, suggesting to me... Let me ask you

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this before we get lost in these statistics, let me ask you this, why

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is there such a disconnect between what party activists on the left and

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right are reporting from the Midlands and the north, and the

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opinion polls? Including labour, they are more gloomy about Labour

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than the polls, which are rather good for them. Two things, one is

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small data, rather than big data. I would say this, wouldn't I, but I

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think small data gives you a nuance that you don't get out the big data.

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It is also how votes are distributed. Even if young people

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vote, they vote in places that aren't helpful to Labour. Because

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they are already going to win? Exactly. We are running out of time.

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We want to have you both about when we know the result, but what you

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think the result will be? A comfortable win for the

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Conservatives. We will update the Poulton, but no overall majority.

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Got you. Only one of you can be right. We will see.

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It might have felt at times during this election that two-party

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politics was making a comeback, but there are of course

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plenty of other parties out their still vying for your vote,

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and they could yet make an impact on the result.

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Here's how they've fared during the campaign.

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I voted Leave, and I'm proud to have voted Leave.

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You're a very aggressive man as well.

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Sometimes in politics, the tide comes in, the tide goes out.

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Do you need more workers from outside Wales?

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We're quite happy with the ones we've got.

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The Prime Minister is not here tonight.

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She can't be bothered, so why should you?

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In fact, Bake Off is on BBC Two, next.

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In terms of what we do to President Trump,

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I'm trying to think of a polite answer.

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Amber, for example, her party have said in three manifesto is now that

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they're going to get immigration down to the tens of thousands.

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This PM is not so much the iron Lady than she is the Queen of the U-turn.

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People don't want political party leaders telling them what is and

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isn't sin. The most embarrassing thing you've

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done when you were drunk? This isn't terribly embarrassing,

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I'm sorry, but I'm very bad at recognising people,

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and that probably gets worse. I've tried to get you to

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answer the question... That's exactly

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what I'm doing, Andrew. A flavour of the campaign for some

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of the smaller parties. We have seen a tweet from Diane Abbott touched by

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the messages of support, still standing. Will rejoin the fray soon.

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Vote Labour. Of course, other parties are available.

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At the Daily Politics we're greeting it with a mix of

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child-like excitement and world-weary exhaustion.

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Well someone who never tires of the political

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treadmill is our Ellie, here's her guide to how

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By 9:55, you need to be ready to go depending on how you spend election.

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That is when the BBC programmes stop. When the polls close at ten,

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we get the exit poll. The first result, usually Sunderland, will

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race in by 10:45, but it will be quiet until 1am, when we should have

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around a dozen results. They should give us a good idea if the exit poll

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is right or not. It's also when some of the results

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will come in for the Labour held marginals. If the Conservatives win

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these, it could be an indication that Theresa May is on course to

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pull in a substantial majority. From 2am onwards, results from Scotland

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come in. At any party staged a comeback against the assembly? We

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will also start to see the first Conservative held marginals around

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then, too. If the Conservatives can't hold onto these, kid it could

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be a sign they are losing their majority.

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Around 3am, we should be in full swing, results coming in at quite a

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pace. By 5am, we should find out whether Paul Nuttall has been

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successful in his bid to become a Ukip MP. And by 6am, whether the

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Greens's Caroline Lucas has held the seat. It could be a long night.

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Now of course, there's only one place to watch

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election night unfold, and that's on BBC One

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from the moment the polls close at 10 o'clock.

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Emily Maitlis is at the BBC's Election Centre.

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Another big build up to the exit poll tomorrow night. Absolutely

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right. I will give you a guided tour of the studio to start. Down below,

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David Dimbleby will be at the main table, and you can see some of our

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commentators, let's call them, that's the big screen where you will

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see the exit poll come up bang on 10pm. We have been playing around

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with predictions and scenarios in the rehearsals. This is my touch

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screen. That is the place to be on the night. I will bring you every

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was old, trying to work out from the exit poll the kind of forecasts and

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seats that might be changing hands. Down here, I don't know if you can

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get down here, but it is a plain green area that magically becomes

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Downing Street, the House of Commons, the walk to power and all

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the other things that Jeremy Vine does with his virtual reality set.

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At the moment, it is a gentle buzz of activity. It will be absolutely

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alive and kicking come 6pm tomorrow evening when all the desks you can

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see will be full. This is our bank of psephology 's calculating and

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recalibrating the exit poll, updating the results we get in as we

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get them. It looks very exciting. You look like you are on the bridge

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of the starship enterprise. On the fridge? On the bridge. We have

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locked that for the next 12 hours. Thanks very much. Good luck on the

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night. Thanks, Andrew. You will be in your constituency, TV

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appearances? I will do TV and rush back to my constituency. And you are

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in Oxfordshire? Yeah. Thanks to all our guests, especially

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Ed Vaizey and David Lammy. There is no Daily Politics tomorrow

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as it's polling day. Broadcasters do nothing on election

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day, it is convention and the rules as well. Polling day tomorrow.

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But remember you'll be able to watch all the election results come

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in from 10pm on BBC One and I'll be back on Friday on BBC One

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from 7am and through the day, getting all the reaction

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here in Westminster, so do join me then. Bye bye.

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I've had enough... ..alternative facts.

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