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Is the level of abuse in our politics on the rise?

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As MPs prepare to debate the issue, Labour and Conservatives engage

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in an increasingly bitter row about the causes of abuse.

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An EU naval mission, backed by the Royal Navy,

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is failing to curb the flow of migrants and may even be leading

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to an increase in deaths at sea - so says a damning report

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So should the Government rethink its support?

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It's the penultimate PMQs before the summer break,

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but it's the battle of the deputies today as Damian Green

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faces Emily Thornberry - we'll have all the action

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And Labour MP Chris Bryant will join us to reveal what piece

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of legislation he will put forward after winning the ballot

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So the most important story left to last. Absolutely.

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All that in the next 90 minutes, and with us for the duration

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the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, David Gauke,

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and the Shadow Business Minister, Jack Dromey.

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Now, we know that George Osborne used to say "uncork the Gauke"

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when he wanted to send David here to the TV studios.

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Unfortuately history doesn't relate what Jeremy Corbyn

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says when he wants Jack to appear on television!

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An EU naval mission designed to curb the flow of migrants

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in the Mediterranean has failed to achieve its main objective -

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that's according to a new report from a House of Lords committee.

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The peers say that Operation Sophia, in which the UK plays a leading

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role, appears to have done little to deter migration and its mandate

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Indeed, the report says the operation may even have had

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the unintended consequence of leading to more deaths at sea.

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In the report, the peers say the operation has "failed

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to achieve its objective" of disrupting smuggling

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and human trafficking in the central Mediterranean.

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The peers also say that the operation has unintentionally

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This is because they've been destroying the smugglers boats

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This is because they've been destroying the smugglers' boats

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which has led to them attempting the crossing in less

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But the chair of the committee, Baroness Verma, said

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that the operation, which has rescued over 30,000 people, has also

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In 2015, there were 3175 recorded deaths at sea in the central

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That number increased significantly last year,

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And the figure for this year is currently at 2150 recorded deaths.

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David Gauke, do you accept these findings? No. We will want to look

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very carefully, but I think the objective of operation, which is to

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disrupt the business model of the people smugglers, these traffickers,

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is absolutely right, and that does mean that... If you like there are

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twin objectives, one is humanitarian, which the report

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accepts has been a success, but also to make it difficult, so that the

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business model does not work so there is not money to be made and

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that. And that has not worked. What the report says, that objective of

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disrupting the trafficking route has failed? I think that is one thing

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you have to give it plenty of time. It will not be an overnight success.

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And it has caused more deaths? I would not put it that way. As I say,

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in terms of the humanitarian effort, it is working, but this is going to

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be a long haul, you know. It is not going to be an easy overnight

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solution, but we have to disrupt that model, and of course we might

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have to adapt, we might have to look at the way the business is working

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and do what we can to stop it, but nonetheless the intentions behind it

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I think are sensible. The intentions are fine, but the findings are that

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it is not working. The objective was to disrupt the roots, and what has

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actually happened as a result is less seaworthy dinghies and vessels

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are being used which is having the unintended consequences of more

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people dying at sea, so instead of disrupting the business model, to

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use your phrase, the smugglers are just adapting to the new model. I

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think the challenge with all of these, however you look at it, is

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trying to work out what is if you like the counterfactual, what would

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have happened had we not done this? And, you know, had EU nations not

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been cooperating and trying to disrupt this, the risk that this

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business, which is what it is for these smugglers... Which has not

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been disrupted. Well, would we have seen more journeys? Would we have

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seen bigger vessels being used, more people being smuggled? And I

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think... The numbers are up this year on last year. My point is you

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have to work out the counterfactual, had we not done this. All we know

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the numbers are up every year. A somewhat important point, that if,

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you know, what would have happened had we not taken this action, it

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could it be even more? Simply looking at what the numbers were

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compared to the previous year and does not give you the whole answer.

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No, but it gives you an indication. It is going in the wrong direction,

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isn't it? You said look at the long term, you said about disrupting the

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business model, and they have just adapted that, and now they are

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sending people over a fairly flimsy vessels, and those people are dying

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at sea, because they can't make the crossing from Libya. Just to be

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clear, is the Government going to stick to this model, if you like, of

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trying to disrupt migrants' groups, or though you've rethink it? I think

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we do disagree with what the committee has said, but of course

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these things have to be constantly under review. How much longer would

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you give it? I will not put a date on it today. As I say, the real

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challenge here is if those larger vessels had been allowed to operate

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unimpeded, would we have seen more and more and more making use of it?

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That is the real risk. So the Government is going to stick with

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its support for this particular mission. What does Labour the?

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Humanity given is that you can't allow people to drown at sea. Do you

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remember the outcry there was when that two-year-old boy was washed up

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on the beach. I sure? What we have to do is to more effectively tackle

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the causes as to why we are seeing the biggest movement of humanity

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since the Second World War. How long could that takes? To be frank, it

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could take years. In the meantime are you saying that nothing should

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be done? When you think about economic migration, because so many

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of these coming now are economic migrants, and crucially it is about

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the development of their countries, the role we play in helping to

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develop their countries, so they have a strong economy and jobs to

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stay in the country. People would agree but it is a long-term plan,

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isn't it? Yellow in the here and now, again, you can't resolve this

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overnight. -- yes, and in the here and now, again. We need greater

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security services, cooperation, to stop the boats leaving the first

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place. Up until now it has been a country of chaos, very difficult to

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have any decent communication, so that has not been possible. To

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pretend these are easily solvable issue is overnight is to pretend

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unreal. We have to dig down to the causes, that cause people to leave

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in the first place, then what you do in terms of Libya itself. Do you

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support one of the recommendations which is some sort of land operation

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in Libya then? I think we have to look at all options at the next

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stages, but it can only be by way of cooperation, and under the UN

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banner. You would look at that? I think in terms of a more stable

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Libya and preventing the boat sleeping in the first place, I think

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what we need to do is to have a serious debate around all options

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contributing towards that -- prevents the boats leaving in the

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first place. Am I committing to that tomorrow? Norma, but we should have

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an on the Shore presents working with the Libyan authorities,

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stabilising the regimes and stopping the flow of boats. That sounds a

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slightly longer term plan. What is your view of the land operation

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recommended in this report? That actually you could disrupt people

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smuggling more effectively from their rather than at the? We ought

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to consider that. I will not rush into making a policy statement on

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that. It comes back to the fundamentals. I do not disagree with

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what Jack is saying about the fundamental problem, and, you know,

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what we do have to do is find a way to effectively disrupt the

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smugglers, as it were, and that has to be the key objective. It might

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just finally, the report says the UK Government and other EU countries

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have not been sufficiently engaged on Libya at the highest level. You

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have been close to cabinet for a long time. How often does Libya, in

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cabinet meetings? I have been attending Cabinet for a year. We

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have raised issues of the wider region, including Libya, on a number

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of occasions, but it is not there every week, and I accept that.

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Clearly, as a wider region it is hugely important. Do you think it

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should go up the priority list? Clearly there is, as Jack said, this

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huge movement of people, which is an issue for all of Europe, including

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the UK, so it is important we get to grips with it. Thank you.

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MPs will today debate why it is they receive so much

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But the issue is itself causing bitter divisions

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Today, Labour has accused the Conservatives of promoting

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personal attacks as a core part of its election campaign.

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But some Conservatives have suggested that left-wing activists

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who back Jeremy Corbyn are behind a rise in abuse.

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Conservative MP Simon Hart is leading today's Commons debate

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He was on this programme yesterday and criticised Momentum -

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the grassroots campaign supportive of Jeremy Corbyn -

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There's quite a lot of anti-Semitism about, homophobia, sexism -

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you know, it's not just the left versus the right, although in my

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experience, and I can only speak for myself,

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By people feeling they've been given permission by the silence

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from political leaders, to engage in this with no

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Meanwhile, Labour's Chairman Ian Lavery has written to Conservative

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Party Chairman Patrick McLoughlin accusing the Tories of "vitriolic

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personal attacks" on Labour candidates during the election,

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The letter singles out treatment received by

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Labour's Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott.

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A report by the A report by the All-Party Parliamentary Group

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Against Anti-Semitism is demanding new laws and tougher

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The report details numerous examples of abuse, including:

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Conservative MP Sheryll Murray whose posters were covered with swastikas

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during the election, Conservative MP Maria

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Caulfied who had her tyres slashed outside her home,

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and Labour MP Iain Wright whose family were threatened

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Thanks. Jack Dromey, the Tory MP Simon Hart said of this programme

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yesterday that abuse has been worse since Momentum was founded. What

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easy to that? I think it has been getting worse for some years. The

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abuse I get comes overwhelmingly from the right, but it does not

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matter where it comes from. It is unacceptable. Anyone who practice

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that is completely wrong. I think when we are talking about abuse it

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is best if we did not use abusive language... I feel very strongly

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about this. In relation to what Simon said, he talked about

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leadership. If I can ask David this question, does Theresa May regret

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the leadership she gave during the general election campaign, in what

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was a vitriolic campaign of personal abuse against Jeremy Corbyn,

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including calling him a threat to security, a terrorist sympathiser? I

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think that was outrageous, and if the leadership sets at home, it must

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not be surprised if you then get people who behave badly. David

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Gauke. I think there is a very big difference in terms of, for example,

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describing Jeremy Corbyn as an IRA sympathiser, which was done, which

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happens to be true, and the question is whether you think that is

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important or not, but I think it is a fair description, between the type

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of abuse that was received, and let's be clear, there are idiots of

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all political views, and there is no monopoly here in terms of stupidity,

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but what we have seen in recent years coming from the hard left is

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something which is much more aggressive, much more abusive, that

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we have seen in the past. In the general election it was by and large

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conservatives who bore the brunt of that, but it is not exclusively

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conservatives. Angela Eagle has had her office... Shameful. That was

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absolutely shameful. Yes, and that is coming, Jack, not from

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conservatives or Conservative supporters, but that is coming from

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the hard left. Absolutely shameful, and I think the treatment of both of

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them has been completely wrong, and anyone in Labour's ranks who

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practices such intimidatory behaviour, to be frank, they have no

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place in our ranks. Why is it coming from the left? I don't believe that

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is the case. You think these attacks, on Luciana Berger. Mugello

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Mike Luciana Berger, yes. Angela Eagle? It is absolutely wrong. But

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why? I think those who practice it should not do it and at their worst,

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they should not have any place within our party, but it does come

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back to this point. What Simon said about the importance of leadership.

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If you get Theresa May on the one hand, when you remember her

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launching the campaign on the 18th of April, all of us, we were a

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saboteur of the country, then you get Donald Trump on the other hand.

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What you have is public discourse being poisoned by a vitriol and it

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has no place in politics, and it has to start, David, with leadership.

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But you'll remember a leading Labour person in Clement Attlee's time,

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calling the Tories lower than vermin. That is a kind of... That is

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very different from the racist, misogynist, unrepeatable... The fact

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that you can repeat some of that view suggests it is political

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discourse at the outer edges. Most of what we're talking about is

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unrepeatable abuse. That is a different form of abuse. It is

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totally outrageous, I am not tried to make any excuse whatsoever for

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anyone in our ranks who practices that. It is absolutely unacceptable.

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What is being done about it? A number of initiatives have been

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taken, both in terms of tone setting, and Jeremy has been good at

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this, no place in politics for that kind of vitriol, but action taken

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against individuals guilty of it. These sad boys in their bedrooms who

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hide behind anonymity to send terrible messages about people like

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Luciana Berger, but forgive me if I come back once again to this crucial

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issue of leadership. If you have public discourse poisoned by the

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kind of vitriol that we are seeing of late, both here and in America,

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things like this are encouraged, rather than being curbed. There is

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nothing that Theresa May or indeed any other Conservative said about

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Jeremy Corbyn that I have not heard said by Labour MPs. Let's not

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confuse this issue. In this election campaign, the graffiti on posters,

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the posters pulled down, the messages being sent. I am not going

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to pretend this was exclusively on one side versus the other, but I am

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not aware of many cases where there will Labour posters being pulled

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down. The aggressiveness, not coming from people like Jack, from the

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decent wing of the Labour Party, it is coming from the hard left, a hard

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left that is pretty closely associated with the leadership of

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the Labour Party. Maybe you should all rapture down the hyperbole,

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because most of the attacks on each of the parties are way over the top.

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They wouldn't stand a moment's scrutiny. Well, look, I think there

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may well be something in that, but it is a perfectly legitimate

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election issue when a party is putting forward, as candidate for

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Prime Minister, someone who has got a long record of being pretty close

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to a terrorist organisation, has described Hamas and Hezbollah as

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friends, I mean, you rightly ask questions in your interviews... Can

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I ask you this question? You have repeated some of the things that

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have been repeatedly said about Jeremy Corbyn, can you give me one

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example of similar vitriol from Jeremy Corbyn about Theresa May? The

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difference is that Theresa May has never sympathised with terrorist

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organisations. To its credit, he never engaged in that kind of

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personal political abuse, the leader of your party did. But plenty of his

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supporters did. And I have been clear on that. We were just

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describing his record, that is all. It is one thing for there to be

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robust political exchanges, I am all in favour of that in a democracy,

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but when that then becomes personal vitriol, grotesque overstatements,

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not least because, let's remember this, at its most obscene, we cannot

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go down the path of where we have a culture where you then get people

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like Jo Cox ending up being murdered. Now, that was a nasty

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right-winger, nobody quite knows some of the backgrounds towards

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that, but setting the tone in politics is really important. So I

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stress again, robust exchange, differences of opinion, but personal

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vitriol is absolutely wrong. You know that the problem, look, my

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colleagues faced it in the election campaign, a lot of your colleagues

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will face its probably in the years ahead, and it is coming from the

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hard left, a hard left who feel that they have got, in Jeremy Corbyn, a

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leader that they agree with. Let me get you to address this, the Labour

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chairman, Ian Lavery, accused the Conservatives of propagating

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personal attacks, Conservatives on Diane Abbott, do you agree with

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that? The vitriol directed water was disgraceful. There can be no

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argument of that, but your chairman is accusing the Conservatives of

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propagating personal attacks. Well, the scale of the attacks launched on

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Diane Abbott from your own party work... Well, give me an example.

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She was variously described... She was described as someone who had

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sympathy with terrorist organisations... She wanted the IRA

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to win at one stage, she is on the record as saying victory for the IRA

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is a victory against the British state, that is not abuse, that is a

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factual quote. Ultimately, what we saw was a level of personalised

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abuse. I understand that, but do you have evidence it was from the

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Conservatives? Do you have evidence it was from the Conservatives? You

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have to look at what was said in the public arena. I have just given an

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example of it. No, you haven't. The idea that she is some sort of crypto

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terrorist sympathiser is completely wrong. So we shouldn't bring up what

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she said in the past? Ultimately, what happened was that partly the

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tone set by your own party, but also some of those on social media, we

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saw it degenerate into racist, sexist abuse. But where the

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Conservatives behind it? That is the question. Yvette Cooper was right

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when she said, whether it is Diane Abbott, Luciana Berger, Yvette

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herself, the time has come to draw a line in politics against what has

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happened to the degradation of politics. We understand that, but

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where is the evidence to back up your chairman's statement that the

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Conservatives were behind personal attacks on Diane Abbott? I will ask

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for a third and final time. I have just given you an example. You

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haven't, it is not abused to point out a record of supporting the IRA

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in the early 80s. She was systematically described, like

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Jeremy Corbyn... Why is that abuse? Because that is not where they

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stand. It was in 1984! If you say things about people that are not

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true, as they go to the country, is simply not true... Well, you are not

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addressing this, I think we will move on, I ask you about apples, you

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apply about pears, it doesn't get us anywhere.

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Now, regular viewers will know that this is the moment in the show

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as I introduce our Guess The Year competition.

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I usually say that politics is a mug's game or some such.

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But, frankly, I'm running out of ideas,

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The former First Minister of Scotland, no less!

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Alex Salmond, no mug he, is swapping politics

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for comedy this summer, when he will host his own show

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Tough, tell us about that! It is going to be a lot of fun, a bit of

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politics, sport, show business, some storytelling, a bit of interviewing.

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Nothing out of the ordinary! You're going to tell us stories about

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things you don't know? It is going to be a challenge for me to think of

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something you don't know! So a bit of humour as well? There will be a

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different celebrity guest every show, but the one consistent thing

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is that it will be light-hearted. You will have guests as well? Mr

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Trump flying in? Unfortunately, it was in the balance, he has turned it

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down, very foolishly, in my view. Donald Trump junior may have more

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time on his hands! Let's put it this way, I think the President of the

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United States may well feature in some of the stories. Surprise,

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have got the job! See you next Wednesday.

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It's coming up to midday here, just take a look at Big Ben,

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It is a pretty humid, cloudy day in London. Prime Minister's Questions

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does not feature either the Prime Minister or the Leader of the

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Opposition today, but Laura Kuenssberg is here, what will be on

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the agenda? One of the strange things about today is that it will

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add to the rather weird atmosphere at the moment, a sense of Nottingham

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is going on in Parliament, I have to say, very little going through the

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House before the end of the session. Normally the Government would be

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trying to ram through, wash up, tomorrow the Repeal Bill, a really

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big important piece of legislation will be put forward, but people are

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trying to dampen expectations of what will be in it, very much

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process. So this is going to be a bit strange today, frankly, not

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least because of the characters who part of our audience are not that

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necessarily familiar with. Damian Green, although hugely important, de

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facto deputy to Theresa May, will be put through his paces by Emily

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Thornberry. Crucial economic data, David Gauke, and other pretty

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healthy fall in unemployment. Employment is up on last year, the

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largest rise on record, but average earnings are only rising by 1.8%, at

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a time when inflation is rising at 3%. Now, what is the thought in

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government that at a time of essentially full employment with

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these employment figures, wages are rising so slowly? Why? I think it is

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a complex issue, and it is difficult to put your finger precisely what it

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is, some of it is due to the fact that inflation has Piketon that has

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followed the fall in the pound last year, and certainly the Bank of

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England... But average earnings are down 0.5% in real terms on the? Why?

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At a time when employment continues to rise, the labour market tightens,

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why is the rate of increase in average earnings slowing down? I

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think it is difficult to say, certainly in terms of... Have you

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done work on this? Because it is crucial to your economic strategy.

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What we know is what drives up wages and salaries is improved

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productivity, and clearly we need, as a country, we don't perform as

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well on productivity as we should do, so policies like having business

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friendly tax environment to attract investment, improving

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infrastructure, improving skills... You have been in power for seven

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years. A lot of these things, the product -- productivity challenge

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has existed for decades. If you want to keep the economy growing, and

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consumer spending accounts for 68% of GDP, you need to find ways of

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pumping up wages, why are you not doing that? We have got a national

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living wage... That is taken into account. It means those who have

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seen their wages rise the most part low paid, and that is where... But

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there is a real squeeze on endings at the moment, and it is and the

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mining growth, you see that in the GDP figures. In the long term, as

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you well know, what lives up wages and salaries is improved

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productivity. In the long term, we are all dead - including those whose

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wages are only rising by 1.8%, no sense of urgency in the Government

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about this? Of course, but... It doesn't seem like it. That is why,

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you know, coming back to skills, infrastructure, it comes back to

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attracting investment to the UK which... None of that is going to

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happen overnight. There is a lot of work we have already done, and we

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need to continue down that path. Jack Dromey, not just a British

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phenomenon, America and Germany have pretty much full employment, and

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wages there, for unaccountable reasons, are growing very slowly.

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Something is happening to the normal economic equation that when labour

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markets get tight, wages get stronger. You make a very good

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point. First of all, the Government has got to stop talking about

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quantity, Matthew Taylor said this yesterday, we need to talk about

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quality. It is more about what you do in practical terms. There are

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deep-seated, long-term problems in relation to productivity, but two

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things that could happen right now to give Britain a pay rise, if you

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remove the 1% cap on public sector pay, but secondly, were you to go

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down the path of what we propose, I was a founder member of the drive

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for the living wage, significantly to increase the living wage - good

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for the worker, good for their family, good for the employer,

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because the evidence is that the individuals are more productive,

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less turnover of labour, good for local economies, because low paid

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workers don't stick money away in Swiss bank accounts, and good for

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the taxpayer, because working are claiming less and paying more taxes.

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There are some things that you could do very quickly indeed that would

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make a real difference. Laura, will this come up today, do you think?

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Oblige us to reflect a bit on it, this is what some Conservatives

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admit they now missed during the election campaign, so these figures

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deal with what happened in the last quarter or the last couple of

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months, and the Tories are very proud of the record numbers of jobs

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created during their time, but one thing that surprised them on the

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doorstep, and they have not factored in during the election campaign, the

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fact that lots of people are starting to feel a bit hard up. That

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misery gap, as you call it, the difference between the rate of pay

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increase and the rate of inflation, as inflation spiked earlier this

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year, is something we have not seen for a while in this country, and for

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any government of the day, if people are feeling that they are worse off,

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they are going to punish the people in charge. The other thing that we

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mentioned, one of my sources... We will have to leave that, straight to

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the House of Commons. My right honourable friend is

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welcoming the king and queen of Spain on their state visit to the

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United Kingdom and I am sure the whole House wishes them well. Isn't

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today's report that the National Grid made ?3 billion profit in 2016

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at the expense of households further evidence the Government is not

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delivering their energy prices? Will the Government agreed to an

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immediate rebate for overcharging, and will the Government now commit

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and energy price cap for the households on the most expensive

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tariffs? The right honourable lady is right to identify the issue and I

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am sure she will welcome the announcement in the Queen's Speech

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that the Government will ensure there are markets for consumers and

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this will include bringing forward measures to help tackle unfair

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practices in the energy market to help produce energy bills. I am sure

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this is an issue on which we can work across the House together. Mr

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Speaker, yesterday you kindly hosted discussions on the future of health

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and social care and their funding, including one by Mike honourable

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friend. My right honourable friend knows that NHS in Staffordshire and

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Stoke is delivering fine carer but under great financial pressure along

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with other parts of the country. Can I encourage the Government to bring

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together people from across this House to make this Parliament one

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that puts the NHS and social care on a firm foundation. I am grateful to

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my honourable friend and I know he has been campaigning vigorously on

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behalf of the health service in his constituency, including his local

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hospital, and he is absolutely right to do so. He and I I am sure both

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welcomed the fact that the Government has committed an extra ?8

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billion over this Parliament to the NHS, and are also committed to

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having a full debate across the House and indeed much wider with

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people about how to improve our social care system because this is

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indeed one of the big issues facing this country. Emily Thornberry.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. Let me welcome the first secretary to his

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new role. By my reckoning in the 20 years since he first joined this

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House ease the 16th member of the party opposite to be represented at

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prime ministers questions, so how about I give him until the end of

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this session to be able to name all the others?

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LAUGHTER In the meantime I am sure he and a

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whole House will join me in congratulating the British and Irish

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Lions on their historic achievement in recent days. Mr Speaker, on the

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subject of British and Irish cooperation, the secretary has huge

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expertise on the practicalities of the Common travel area. On that

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basis can he tell the House what will happen to the Irish land border

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if no deal is reached between Britain and Europe by the end of

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March 2019? I am grateful to the Saffie for her kind remarks -- I am

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grateful to the right honourable lady for her kind remarks. I might

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pick up the offer in the tearoom later rather than disturb the House

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no. Many distinguished people, of both sexes, who have dealt with this

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in this party, because we of course elect women leaders. I am also... I

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also absolutely share her view about the British and Irish Lions, though

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it strikes me as a particularly British thing to do to celebrate and

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drawn series quite as hard as we have, but nevertheless that is the

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way we do sport, and I know you, Mr Speaker, will be very keen in

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following Joe contact's progress through Wimbledon, as well as Andy

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Murray. -- Johanna Konta through Wimbledon. Let's hope we have two

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finalists over the weekend. On the question of the Irish border, she

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will know it is the aim of this Government to make sure we get the

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best deal for Britain, and as the prime ministers set out in her

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Lancaster house speech, one of the key issues we want to bring forward

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and have brought forward at the start of the negotiations is

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precisely the issue of the Irish border, because it is extremely

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important, not just for our own citizens in Northern Ireland, but

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for the Irish Republic, that we get that right, and indeed I have

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already had meetings with my opposite number on this and other

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matters. I mentioned at the outset he is the 16th member to represent

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his party in jaw-mac since beginning and seven. Only three of those have

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been women and the last before the current Prime Minister was 16 years

:38:49.:38:58.

ago -- his party in the House since 1997. If I might turn to the

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question, it was not what deal do we hope to get, but what happens if we

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get no deal at all? This isn't some sinister nightmare drugged by

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Remains. It was the Prime Minister who first floated the idea of no

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deal -- this is not some sinister nightmare

:39:22.:39:32.

dreamt up. Well the first Secretary clear this up? Are ministers just

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making it up as they are going along? Or is it still the

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Government's clear policy that no deal is an option? I recommend the

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right honourable lady read the Prime Minister's Lancaster house speech,

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the principle on which we are negotiating. Also seeing it is

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conceivable we would be offered a kind of punishment deal that would

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be worse than no deal. That is not our intention because we want a good

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deal. It is for a leader and her party's position that whatever is on

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offer they will accept it, can I point out? That is a terrible way to

:40:23.:40:32.

go into a negotiation, and all I can congratulate them on is their

:40:33.:40:35.

consistency. They have been consistently in favour of unilateral

:40:36.:40:40.

disarmament, but they don't only apply that in military matters, they

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clearly applied in matters of negotiation on Britain's future

:40:45.:40:51.

prosperity as well. The first secretary apparently did not get the

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Prime Minister's mammal. You are supposed to be building consensus,

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mam. -- man. And if we ignore the political bluster, I think what we

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heard was that no deal is indeed still an option, and if that is the

:41:09.:41:12.

case, can we turn to what I might call the East India club question?

:41:13.:41:19.

Before the member for Newton Abbot suddenly turned herself into Nick

:41:20.:41:21.

Griffin, this was the question she was trying to ask. What does no deal

:41:22.:41:29.

mean for our people, our businesses, and for issues such as the Irish

:41:30.:41:34.

land border? Can the first secretary addressed this question now? What

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does no deal look like in practice? I am very happy to address her first

:41:41.:41:47.

point of it consensus. Am always, as she knows, a moderate person keen on

:41:48.:41:50.

consensus, so I very much look forward to sharing the Labour

:41:51.:41:54.

Party's view this morning on the unemployment figures. Unemployment

:41:55.:42:05.

is now down to its lowest level since the early 70s. There are many

:42:06.:42:09.

members of this House who were not born when unemployment was as low as

:42:10.:42:13.

this Government has made it. I would hope that she can bring herself in

:42:14.:42:18.

the course of her questions actually to welcome lower unemployment. On

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the substance of her question, as she knows, we are seeking a good

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deal for Britain that will enable us to trade as freely as possible with

:42:31.:42:35.

the European Union to protect our prosperity, at the same time as

:42:36.:42:38.

getting trade deals with other important markets around the world.

:42:39.:42:43.

In the last week alone, both the United States and Australia have

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said they would like to sign trade deals with Britain as fast as

:42:47.:42:50.

possible. So I am happy to report to her and that negotiations are going

:42:51.:42:54.

well and that her fear of no deal is probably overstated. If he wants to

:42:55.:43:08.

talk about unemployment, let me ask him, specifically, will he publish

:43:09.:43:11.

the Treasury's assessment of the impact of what they're no deal

:43:12.:43:16.

outcome would have on jobs and growth in Britain? -- the impact of

:43:17.:43:20.

what they know deal outcome would have. I didn't think so. Let's

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continue. If the first secretary will not tell the House... Order.

:43:26.:43:30.

Honourable lady must be heard, and she will be, as well first secretary

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Green. Members must calm themselves. Emily Thornberry... Thank you, Mr

:43:37.:43:43.

Speaker. If the first secretary will not tell the House what no deal

:43:44.:43:46.

means can he is least clear up the confusion over whether a plan for no

:43:47.:43:51.

deal actually exists? Yesterday the Foreign Secretary told me that

:43:52.:43:54.

indeed there was no plan for no deal. Two hours later, Number ten

:43:55.:43:59.

for it back and said there was a plan. That Brexit secretary might be

:44:00.:44:02.

laughing, but I am turning to him next.

:44:03.:44:10.

LAUGHTER The Brexit secretary was so busy

:44:11.:44:15.

fighting with himself, that on March the 12, he said that there was a

:44:16.:44:19.

plan, and on March 17th he said there was not. On May 19th he said

:44:20.:44:25.

he spent half his time thinking about it, and yesterday he said he

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was not prepared to comment. So can the first secretary clear up the

:44:30.:44:32.

confusion today? Is there a contingency plan for no deal, or is

:44:33.:44:37.

there not? If there is, will you undertake to publish it?

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The honourable ladies says she is happy to talk about an employment,

:44:44.:44:50.

but you cannot bring herself to welcome the figures. --

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unemployment. We will have to work harder to establish consensus on

:44:57.:44:59.

something that I would hope genuinely unites all sides of this

:45:00.:45:05.

House. On the report, the OBR is publishing its fiscal risks report

:45:06.:45:08.

tomorrow, so if she can be patient, she will see the report she wants.

:45:09.:45:15.

Emily Thornberry! So let's be clear, the First Secretary seems to be

:45:16.:45:19.

saying that no deal is still on the table, but he won't say what it

:45:20.:45:25.

means, and there is a no deal contingency plan that he will not

:45:26.:45:30.

publish. This is two steps forward and two steps back. After all, if

:45:31.:45:35.

the Government seriously once open, cross-party debate about the best

:45:36.:45:39.

way forward for Brexit, surely they have to spell out what all the

:45:40.:45:44.

options look like. So can the First Secretary at least provide some

:45:45.:45:47.

clarity on one issue, and let's try to make some progress today. He has

:45:48.:45:52.

said repeatedly that we want to avoid a cliff edge Brexit. But and a

:45:53.:46:02.

no deal scenario, he knows that must be impossible, because the Prime

:46:03.:46:05.

Minister can hardly storm out of the negotiating room saying she will not

:46:06.:46:07.

accept the deal, then pop her head around the door and say, can she

:46:08.:46:10.

have two more years to prepare, because that is not how it works.

:46:11.:46:16.

Does he accept that no deal means no transitional arrangements? That me

:46:17.:46:19.

try harder to establish consensus with the right honourable lady. We

:46:20.:46:23.

both want a deal, I hope we will agree to that, a deal at the end of

:46:24.:46:28.

this, and the reason why I am optimistic because of our negotiated

:46:29.:46:32.

stands and the position set out by the Prime Minister we will get a

:46:33.:46:36.

deal, is that we have, for example, paid a fair and realistic offer

:46:37.:46:40.

about citizenship to try to remove that problem from the equations.

:46:41.:46:47.

That is a first indication of how we will approach these negotiations, we

:46:48.:46:50.

approached them in a positive state, and we believe that it is not just

:46:51.:46:55.

in the interests of Great Britain but also in the interests of the

:46:56.:46:59.

other member states of the European Union to reach a deal with what is

:47:00.:47:02.

one of their biggest trading partners. Though it is in everyone's

:47:03.:47:08.

interest to reach this deal, and frankly she said nothing

:47:09.:47:10.

constructive to contribute to a deal so far, but I will give her another

:47:11.:47:17.

chance. Emily Thornberry! I know the right honourable gentleman is new to

:47:18.:47:21.

this, but the way the rules work... Order! I do not know whether it is

:47:22.:47:26.

spontaneous or orchestrated, and I don't really care which, but

:47:27.:47:31.

whichever it is, the idea that it is going to stop the honourable lady

:47:32.:47:34.

asking her questions is for the birds. Members are wasting their

:47:35.:47:39.

vocal chords, we will carry on as long as necessary to accommodate the

:47:40.:47:43.

backbench members who I wish to accommodate. Emily Thornberry. I

:47:44.:47:47.

know that the honourable and is new to this, but I ask the questions and

:47:48.:47:50.

he... LAUGHTER

:47:51.:47:59.

And I quite happy to swap places with them! Frankly, if he doesn't

:48:00.:48:08.

want to continue under these rules, plenty of other people on the front

:48:09.:48:12.

bench would love the opportunity to audition as Prime Minister. But I do

:48:13.:48:18.

appreciate, I do appreciate the first Secretary's answers, but they

:48:19.:48:22.

just serve to illustrate what a mess the Government has got itself into

:48:23.:48:25.

by threatening to walk away even before talks began. Isn't the truth

:48:26.:48:30.

now that we have a no deal option on the table but they will not tell us

:48:31.:48:34.

what it means, contingency plans that they will not let the public

:48:35.:48:37.

see, a Chancellor demanding transitional arrangements, which a

:48:38.:48:43.

no deal option makes impossible, a Foreign Secretary making it up as he

:48:44.:48:48.

is going along, we have got a Brexit Secretary so used to overruling his

:48:49.:48:52.

colleagues that he has started overruling himself! And we have got

:48:53.:48:56.

a Prime Minister who is so be reft of ideas that she started putting

:48:57.:49:01.

suggestion boxes around Parliament! But as a country, as a country, we

:49:02.:49:09.

have got 20 months until Brexit. We absolutely have got to get a grip,

:49:10.:49:14.

and if the party opposite hasn't got the strength or the task, then we

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have absolutely got to get rid of them.

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I think there may have been a question somewhere in that! Can I

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issue at the right honourable lady of two things? First of all, that is

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Government is already in the negotiations, she will have seen

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that, we have started negotiations, they are going well. We said the

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first thing we wanted to do was negotiate citizens' writes, that was

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the first item on the agenda of the first meeting. We want to make sure

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that European citizens in this country and, British citizens living

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in other European countries have as much certainty about their rights as

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soon as possible, and that is what we are negotiating, that is the sign

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of a practical, pragmatic government getting on with work in the

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interests of the British people. What we would have, as we have seen

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from the Labour Party, they have so far had nine different plans on

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Europe. They want to be both in and out of the single market, in and out

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of the customs union, they said they wanted to remain, they voted for

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Article 50, they split their party on that, and she made a point about

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whether she would prefer to be at this despatch box rather than as

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that despatch box. I would also remind her of the other event that

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has happened recently, where the Conservative Party got more votes

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and more seats than the Labour Party, and won the election. David

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Morris! Thank you, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, I welcome the jobs that

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have been announced today. Furthermore, Mr Speaker, at the 65

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years in my constituency of talking about a link road, one actually

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occurred on my watch, and furthermore there is an enterprise

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zone stroke business park that we are trying to retain, and we have

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had a very productive meeting with the minister, and the First Minister

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of the Isle of Man, who I believe is here today. Would my right

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honourable friends help to ensure that this business park does become

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a reality to create more jobs in Morecambe and Lunesdale?! I agree

:51:24.:51:29.

with my honourable friend, he will be interested to know that, in the

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north-west of England, employment has increased by 2.5% over the past

:51:35.:51:41.

year, and the Labour benches may wish to welcome that. He is

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absolutely right to highlight the importance of having business parks

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and enterprise zones as tribe is for economic growth. I wish him well,

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and I'm sure my right honourable friends the Business Secretary would

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be happy to look into the matter. Thank you, Mr Speaker, I am sure the

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whole House would want to join with me and my colleagues in marking the

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anniversary of the sad events in Srebrenica and thank those who held

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the memorial in London to make sure we never forget. Mr Speaker, will

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the First Secretary of State confirmed that the devolved

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administrations will not face a day munition of powers as a result of

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the Repeal Bill? I joined the honourable gentleman in

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commemorating the dreadful events at Srebrenica, and I am happy to

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reconfirm what my right honourable friend the Prime Minister and others

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have said, that yes, under the terms of the Brexit deal that we will

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negotiate, there will be no diminution of the devolved

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administrations' powers, and indeed that we look to devolve more powers

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during the process. I thank the Secretary of State for that answer.

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Order! Thank you, Mr Speaker. I thank the Secretary of State for

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that answer. Would he confirm that there will be a cast-iron guarantee

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that all powers that come back to the United Kingdom on devolved

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matters will be returned? Furthermore the, does the UK

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Government intends to meet schedule five of the Scotland Act to change

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any aspect of the devolved compensations with the approval of

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the Scottish referendum in 1997? Answer that! I can only keep

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repeating the assurances we have already given. I am slightly

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surprised at the Scottish nationalist approach in that my

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understanding of their position is that they want power is taken from

:53:41.:53:43.

London to Edinburgh so that it can give them back to Brussels! As I

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understand it, that is their position. But perhaps their

:53:51.:53:56.

inability to explain the logic of that position might explain the

:53:57.:53:58.

recent general election results they had. Thank you very much, Mr

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Speaker. Earlier this year, a brilliant new hospital opened in my

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constituency. The old cottage Hospital which it replaces contains

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an important and unique warble Morrill. Will the First Secretary

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agree with me that however the NHS we developed the site, it is vital

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that that war memorial is preserved in a fitting way so that future

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generations can remember the sacrifices of those who came before

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us? I think perhaps particularly at the moment, when we are about to

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commemorate the centenary of the terrible battle of Passchendaele, it

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is very important that we consider the issue of war memorials like the

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one he mentions, they call on us to remember the horrors of war and

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honour the memories of those who died. In this case, I understand the

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war memorial is protected by an historic England great two listing

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so specific planning consent would be required to move it. I hope that

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will provide the protection that he and his constituents need. My

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constituent has had over 50 admissions to psychiatric care, she

:55:17.:55:20.

requires regular monitoring to prevent her condition worsening, and

:55:21.:55:24.

she could access a board and at the labour stands to lose ?110 under the

:55:25.:55:29.

new regime. Will he look urgently at this case and change this to ensure

:55:30.:55:38.

that people have the support they need to remain safe? The House will

:55:39.:55:42.

be concerned to hear about the case of a constituent, as I am, and she

:55:43.:55:46.

will know that one of the effects of the transition from DLA to PIP is

:55:47.:55:53.

that more people are eligible for support, particularly those with

:55:54.:55:58.

mental health problems, but the Secretary of State for Work and

:55:59.:56:01.

Pensions will have heard her point, and I have no doubt, if she contacts

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in, he will look into the case personally. Mr Speaker, some of the

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most distressing cases that I and other members see in my constituency

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surgery are those involving domestic violence. The Queen's Speech has

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promised a bill to help strengthen our confrontation of this problem,

:56:19.:56:23.

so I wonder if the First Secretary could tell us when we can expect the

:56:24.:56:27.

legislation, urgently needed as it is, and what the Government is doing

:56:28.:56:31.

about this problem while we await it? I agree, this is a hugely

:56:32.:56:35.

important issue, and he is right that we have committed in the

:56:36.:56:37.

Queen's Speech to introduce a domestic abuse bill in this session,

:56:38.:56:43.

which I hope will be a landmark in this very important area. What we

:56:44.:56:47.

want to do in the bill is set in motion a transformation not just to

:56:48.:56:53.

protect and support victims, but to recognise the lifelong impact

:56:54.:56:58.

domestic abuse can have on children, and to make sure that the agencies

:56:59.:57:02.

respond effectively to domestic abuse. We will of course be

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consulting with the relevant professions and voluntary groups on

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this, but we are absolutely determined to press ahead with this

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very, very important legislation. Max Johnson is nine, he is in

:57:18.:57:21.

hospital and urgently waiting for a heart transplant. His mum Emma and

:57:22.:57:27.

brother Harry join us today to support Max, but also 10,000 people

:57:28.:57:31.

around the country who need an organ transplant. We can do more to help

:57:32.:57:35.

them. In Wales, they have already moved to an opt out system, as

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Scotland plan to do the same. Can the First Secretary say whether he

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agrees with me that, in England, we should change the law to one of

:57:44.:57:47.

presumed consent for organ donation to give Max and people like him the

:57:48.:57:54.

best chance of light? I am sure that the thought of numbers across the

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House are with Max and his family at this incredibly difficult time, and

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I agree with him that organ donation is clearly a hugely important part

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of our system, and I am pleased that there are now more than 23 million

:58:08.:58:13.

organ donors on the register, and over the past year we saw the

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highest ever donor and transplant rates in the UK. But of course there

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is more that can be done, and as he says, the law is different in other

:58:25.:58:30.

territories inside the UK. And absolutely I can commit the

:58:31.:58:33.

Department of Health is looking at the impact of those changes to see

:58:34.:58:36.

whether that can give rise to further improvements in the number

:58:37.:58:46.

of available organs we have. Is my friend aware that the Greater

:58:47.:58:50.

Manchester Chambers, in the course of their economic survey, predicts

:58:51.:58:54.

economic growth that 3.25% annually, as it has been broadly since 2013?

:58:55.:59:00.

Is he further aware that Manchester Airport is planning a ?1 billion

:59:01.:59:03.

investment in the coming years? Doesn't this indicate a welcome

:59:04.:59:09.

rebalancing of the economy, underpinned by sound economic

:59:10.:59:14.

management? And will he undertake to continue that sound economic

:59:15.:59:16.

management that is so necessary to our country? My honourable friend

:59:17.:59:24.

makes a number of important points, particularly about Manchester

:59:25.:59:26.

Airport, which I know has been a significant driver of the excellent

:59:27.:59:31.

growth figures of the increasingly excellent economy of Manchester, and

:59:32.:59:36.

the surrounding areas. Everything he says is true, and I think it is a

:59:37.:59:40.

tribute to the work that is being done on the Northern Powerhouse that

:59:41.:59:43.

we are now spreading that prosperity across the North of England. Thank

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you, Mr Speaker. The First Secretary said the other day that we need to

:59:50.:59:54.

have a national debate on tuition fees, and he admitted that student

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debt is a huge issue. With the PM touting for ideas, can I recommend

:00:00.:00:05.

page 43 of our manifesto? Can I ask that they adopt Labour's pledge to

:00:06.:00:11.

abolish tuition fees? I don't remember the contents page 43, so I

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would quite like to hear this! Mr Speaker, can I recommend that they

:00:18.:00:22.

consult page 43 of our manifesto and commit to Labour's policy of the

:00:23.:00:29.

abolition of tuition fees? People often stand at this despatch box and

:00:30.:00:34.

say I am pleased she raised that question, I am genuinely pleased,

:00:35.:00:38.

because it allows me to point out the very slight problem with their

:00:39.:00:42.

arguments which is that her own education spokesman has admitted

:00:43.:00:46.

that the tuition fees policy has a ?100 billion... She has admitted

:00:47.:00:54.

that there is a ?100 billion hole, black hole in Labour's student fees

:00:55.:01:01.

policy. That is as much money nearly as we spend on the NHS in a year,

:01:02.:01:06.

two years worth of disability benefits. Labour, in this area, were

:01:07.:01:10.

particularly incredible at the general election, I am astonished

:01:11.:01:16.

they want to bring it up at Prime Minister's Questions, and I would

:01:17.:01:18.

remind them that misleading students and young people is a very dangerous

:01:19.:01:26.

thing to do. If they don't believe me, they can ask the Liberal

:01:27.:01:41.

Democrats. Just one in five of our public arts sculptures is of a

:01:42.:01:46.

woman, to mark the anniversary of Jane Austen... Will my right

:01:47.:01:57.

honourable friend join me in calling for more people to do what business

:01:58.:02:01.

to has done and celebrate their famous daughters?

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I welcome this call for the statue in Basingstoke. I am genuinely

:02:13.:02:18.

astonished there is not a statue of Jane Austen anywhere else around the

:02:19.:02:21.

country, one of our greatest authors, and still popular 200 years

:02:22.:02:26.

since her birth, and I would be very happy also to echo her desire for

:02:27.:02:34.

more statues for great women spread around the country. Mr Speaker,

:02:35.:02:40.

politicians are said to be here today and gone tomorrow, but

:02:41.:02:43.

whatever tomorrow may bring the Prime Minister is not even here

:02:44.:02:48.

today to mark the first -- end of her first year in power. Listen, you

:02:49.:02:54.

might like to hear this. For the first time since she has become

:02:55.:02:58.

Prime Minister image has now been removed from the page of the

:02:59.:03:03.

Conservative Party website. Can the first secretary tell us why she has

:03:04.:03:18.

gone from being the next Iron Lady to the Lady vanishes? The honourable

:03:19.:03:22.

gentleman is ingenious in asking personal questions and I commend him

:03:23.:03:26.

for it. Unfortunately he has his own record on the subject. As recently

:03:27.:03:33.

as June last year the members said the leader of the Labour Party is

:03:34.:03:37.

not destined to become Prime Minister and he called on him to

:03:38.:03:40.

resign. I suggest he makes peace with his own front bench before

:03:41.:03:46.

turning to ours. Today's jobs figures show we have the highest

:03:47.:03:51.

employment rate since compatible records began. We have more people

:03:52.:03:57.

in full-time employment and we are touching on the lowest youth

:03:58.:04:02.

unemployment since records began. In light of the Matthew Taylor review

:04:03.:04:06.

and the modern working practices, what more can be done to ensure this

:04:07.:04:11.

record continues and that low youth unemployment continues and that we

:04:12.:04:15.

read this country of that scourge? -- and that we rid this country of

:04:16.:04:25.

that scourge. Yes, one of the particularly welcome figures of the

:04:26.:04:27.

consistently low and falling unemployment figures over which this

:04:28.:04:30.

Government has provided, youth unemployment figures. It is now at

:04:31.:04:34.

historically low levels and lower than many other comparable

:04:35.:04:37.

economies. We will continue this not just with our moves on more

:04:38.:04:41.

apprenticeships in this parliament but also with the introduction of

:04:42.:04:45.

new and better technical and vocational education, which is key

:04:46.:04:48.

to providing long-term prosperity, not just for the economy as a whole,

:04:49.:04:56.

but for everyone in this country. Thank you, Mr Speaker. How can the

:04:57.:05:03.

Government continue to justify not providing fair and equitable funding

:05:04.:05:07.

arrangements for West Lancashire to support drainage boards, to help

:05:08.:05:14.

protect homes and agriculture and horticulture industries, critical to

:05:15.:05:20.

the local economy, instead of causing threats to turn off the

:05:21.:05:26.

pumping station? V Saffie raises a reasonable point -- the Saffie

:05:27.:05:31.

raises a reasonable point about the Environment Agency and it is the

:05:32.:05:36.

Environment Agency's duty to ensure water supplies are good and safe and

:05:37.:05:40.

I am sure if she wishes to bring this up with my right honourable

:05:41.:05:44.

friend, he will be happy to talk to her about it. Zero energy Bill

:05:45.:05:54.

Holmes at market prices are being built with the support of the

:05:55.:05:57.

building research Establishment. Given that the potential to help

:05:58.:06:01.

people find affordable housing, what more can the Government do to help

:06:02.:06:06.

expand this type of housing, as part of our commitment to both enterprise

:06:07.:06:13.

and social justice? I know my honourable friend is an energetic

:06:14.:06:16.

campaigner for social justice and this is a very good example of how

:06:17.:06:20.

having a dynamic and flexible economy is not just good for the

:06:21.:06:24.

economy but is actually good for the whole of society, and I am happy to

:06:25.:06:27.

join him in welcoming this type of innovation. This firm is a good

:06:28.:06:32.

example of such innovation, and I know it has been supported by the

:06:33.:06:36.

Government's enterprise investment scheme, so the Government is doing

:06:37.:06:42.

its best to support this type of measure, and with stimulating the

:06:43.:06:45.

growth of the off-site construction sector which enables homes to be

:06:46.:06:48.

built through our accelerating construction programme and the whole

:06:49.:06:51.

building fund, another very important issue to make sure that we

:06:52.:06:55.

spread the benefits of prosperity around this country. Mr Speaker, I

:06:56.:07:02.

wonder if the first secretary might imagine what it feels like to be a

:07:03.:07:07.

parent forced to up their children from their settled home to flee war

:07:08.:07:13.

and persecution, as millions of refugees around the world have done.

:07:14.:07:17.

And then would he imagine further how it might feel for those who had

:07:18.:07:22.

become separated from their family members, with one family member

:07:23.:07:27.

making it, for instance, to the United Kingdom, needlessly kept

:07:28.:07:30.

apart from their families due to cruel and unnecessary barriers to

:07:31.:07:34.

family reunification? Will the Government today endorse the

:07:35.:07:39.

Baroness's bill in the other place to bring those desperate families

:07:40.:07:46.

back together? The right honourable gentleman raises an important issue

:07:47.:07:49.

and he will be aware that this Government, this country, has done a

:07:50.:07:54.

huge amount, particularly in the region, but also here at home to

:07:55.:07:58.

help refugees from countries such as Syria. We have expanded the

:07:59.:08:03.

vulnerable persons resettlement scheme, so we make sure our doors

:08:04.:08:07.

continue to remain open to people who most need our help, and in

:08:08.:08:11.

particular we work very closely with the UNHCR to identify and refer the

:08:12.:08:17.

most vulnerable refugees. That is the most sensible humanitarian way

:08:18.:08:22.

we can help these very desperate people. Can also say, since I should

:08:23.:08:26.

visitors last question, I suspect, as leader office party, can I wish

:08:27.:08:32.

him a fond farewell from that job? And say I am delighted the Liberal

:08:33.:08:36.

Democrats have taken so seriously the Government's full working life

:08:37.:08:39.

strategy which is about providing more jobs for older workers, and

:08:40.:08:45.

they are about to skip a generation...

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LAUGHTER -- since I assumed that this is his

:08:50.:08:55.

last question, I suspect. At the recent T20 meeting the Prime

:08:56.:08:59.

Minister had excellent and constructive trade discussions with

:09:00.:09:03.

the leaders of India, China, Japan and America -- at the recent G20

:09:04.:09:10.

meetings. These represent 43% of the world population, these countries,

:09:11.:09:13.

and six times the population of the European Union. Would my right

:09:14.:09:16.

honourable friend agree with me that this demonstrates the potential for

:09:17.:09:22.

a positive future for Britain post-Brexit, and it really is time

:09:23.:09:26.

for the pessimists to look at the cup being half full rather than half

:09:27.:09:33.

empty? I am happy to endorse my honourable friend's approach and

:09:34.:09:37.

just to emphasise to him in the house it is important to do both. We

:09:38.:09:41.

need a good trade deal with the European Union, still a hugely

:09:42.:09:44.

important trading partner for us, but also we need to take the

:09:45.:09:48.

opportunity to strike trade deals with economies round the world, not

:09:49.:09:51.

just currently advanced economies, but those that are growing very fast

:09:52.:09:56.

as well. That is the route to future global prosperity to this country.

:09:57.:10:02.

Thank you, Mr Speaker. We have had to make general elections where the

:10:03.:10:05.

Government has promised investment to the northern powerhouse, and yet

:10:06.:10:10.

again within weeks they have made a U-turn on the electrification of the

:10:11.:10:16.

trans-Pennine. Is the ?1 billion deal to keep the Prime Minister in

:10:17.:10:20.

power with the DUP being funded at the expense of the North? No, not at

:10:21.:10:28.

all. The money that has gone for infrastructure in Northern Ireland

:10:29.:10:31.

is richly needed there. We have signed for example city deals in

:10:32.:10:36.

England, Scotland and Wales, but none yet in Northern Ireland. I

:10:37.:10:41.

would hope... I mean, she is right about the importance of the northern

:10:42.:10:46.

powerhouse, and we will continue with that programme which is hugely

:10:47.:10:49.

important, and as she has already heard in this session, what we see

:10:50.:10:54.

is unemployment falling consistently in the north of England, as a sign

:10:55.:11:00.

of how the economy in that part of England is going as well as anywhere

:11:01.:11:03.

else in the country, and we are determined to continue that. Mr

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Speaker, I know the title might first secretary will be delighted to

:11:09.:11:12.

see Parliament Square now displays every flight of every British

:11:13.:11:15.

Overseas Territory to welcome the king of Spain this week, including

:11:16.:11:25.

the flag of Gibraltar. Would he as my right honourable friend the Prime

:11:26.:11:29.

Minister to remind the King of Spain that Gibraltar is British and their

:11:30.:11:33.

sovereignty will remain paramount? I am happy to assure my honourable

:11:34.:11:37.

friend that the Government's position on Gibraltar and the

:11:38.:11:42.

privacy of the wishes of its inhabitants which are overwhelmingly

:11:43.:11:45.

to stay British will be respected by the Government. What assessment has

:11:46.:11:52.

the Government made of the effect on radiotherapy for cancer patients of

:11:53.:12:00.

its decision to withdraw from the deal given the Royal College of

:12:01.:12:03.

radiologistss said this week that half a million scans per year are

:12:04.:12:10.

done using imported radioisotopes, and that thousands of patients could

:12:11.:12:16.

be affected by this decision? I am genuinely again happy to answer this

:12:17.:12:19.

question because it is a very important issue, and there has been

:12:20.:12:25.

some unnecessary worry caused to cancer patients by speculative on

:12:26.:12:29.

this. Let me set out the position. The import or export of medical

:12:30.:12:34.

radioisotopes is not subject to any particular licensing requirements.

:12:35.:12:39.

Euratom places no restrictions on the export of medical isotopes to

:12:40.:12:45.

countries outside the EU, so after leaving Euratom our ability to

:12:46.:12:48.

access military isotopes produced in Europe will not be affected. So I

:12:49.:12:53.

hope that clears it and I hope that reassures cancer patients around the

:12:54.:12:57.

country that the scaremongering going on is unnecessary.

:12:58.:13:25.

Emily Thornberry went over the negotiations for Brexit, on what

:13:26.:13:30.

happened with the Irish border, and then asking whether no deal was

:13:31.:13:37.

still an option. . Damian Green standing in for the Prime Minister

:13:38.:13:42.

did his best to talk about the recent unemployment figures,

:13:43.:13:45.

although he was not asked about it, because they are down, so it is what

:13:46.:13:50.

he wanted to talk about it. Then he was asked whether there was a

:13:51.:13:52.

Treasury assessment over the cost of no deal on Brexit, if that was to

:13:53.:13:57.

happen. And coming out tomorrow from the Office for Budget Responsibility

:13:58.:14:00.

on fiscal risks, there is something coming out there, so that was the

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exchange, quite lively. Probably more lively than usual, with Emily

:14:06.:14:09.

Thornberry seeming to be enjoying herself. And in the end Mr Green

:14:10.:14:14.

also seem to be enjoying is. What are the viewers make of it? The

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broadly agreed with that assessment, you will be delighted to know. One

:14:19.:14:23.

here, Emily Thornberry more charisma than Jeremy Corbyn, tackling

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defensive Green who could not answer a single one of her questions, which

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is a pity because on issues like the Irish border and the no deal

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possibility, we need answers. Another one, extremely impressed

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with Damian Green, passionate and on the ball, he showed up the Labour

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lot. Another one, why are Labour fixated on failure and why would we

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share our contingency plans at the start of EU negotiations? Ian Lenny,

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he says anything is better than being in the EU, because being in

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the EU means we are no longer an independent country. Simples. Philip

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says, this is so much more fun than the usual PMQs. Please, Theresa and

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Jeremy, take more time off! LAUGHTER

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Well, he enjoyed it! I saw that e-mail, anything better

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than Jeremy Corbyn and team-mate, for either of them, it is not their

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natural habitat, and I think we did see both of them, very experienced

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at the despatch box, enjoying themselves on the big day. I don't

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think Gestede Scot us anywhere in terms of news, apart from Damian

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Green talking about the OBR publishing a not very interesting

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sounding paper on fiscal risk. Potentially we will get a whole

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independent assessment of the various different outcomes of what

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happens with Brexit. What is this paper about? You will have to wait

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and see! I have been around long enough not to ask you what is in it,

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I might as well put my head against a brick wall! But what is it about?

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What ground is it going to cover? When the OBR has published these

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reports in the past, they look at, you know, for example, the impact of

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an ageing population, pressures on health care, you know, the various

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long-term factors that may impact tax receipts. What will this one

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look at? It will look at the long-term factors that will have an

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impact on tax receipts and spending measures. Including Brexit? I have

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not seen the report, but the last report was very striking about some

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of the demographic pressures that we face as a country, a reminder that

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we have to think about public finances. And while Emily Thornberry

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asked for an assessment of what a no deal scenario would cost, the

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Treasury already did that during the referendum campaign. Now, that

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suggestion and... Highly political Treasury report. From memory, it

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puts that report and 60 billion, were we to crash out, over a

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five-year period, that is from memory. But as you say, any set of

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statistics put forward in this current context are highly political

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in terms of how they are interpreted, but if the OBR comes

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out with number, they are an independent organisation, and they

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could have an effect in this debate. Where Emily Thornberry is onto

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something if you look at all the remarks of Cabinet ministers in the

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last couple of weeks about the path the negotiations are going to

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follow, there is obviously, publicly, a range of opinions of how

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they should do, and that is a huge and estimate of the differences

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behind closed doors. Let me come back to you, they would go, Jack

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Dromey, I know you want to do a deal, get the best possible deal for

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the country, but is it still government policy that no deal would

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be better than a bad deal? Yes, as Damian Green set out in PMQs, it

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would be clearly no deal is bad news, but if we were faced with

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essentially a punishment deal, then we need to be in a position to walk

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away, and it doesn't make any sense to go into a negotiation and say,

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whatever happens in the end, we will sign up. That immediately weakens

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our position, and we're genuinely have to prepare for this, we have to

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be willing to walk away, but I'm not go to pretend that that is a good

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outcome for the country, but it might not be the very worst outcome.

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In these negotiations, what a Labour's redlines? Crucially, if I

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can give a practical example from my own constituency, we have a jaguar

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planned, we have heard about unemployment figures today, we have

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the sixth highest in Britain, and the plant has doubled in size to

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3000, world-class success story. The chief executive has said, crucially,

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we need access to the single market, yeah? And if we are denied that, if

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there are tariff barriers erected, we sell fewer cars, made fewer cars,

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and that will mean fewer jobs in an area of high and employment. So to

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contemplate for one moment walking away without a deal is at the

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irresponsible. -- is utterly responsible. But what I mean by

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redlines is not what you hope to achieve, everybody understands that

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we won't tariff free car sales, but what would be unacceptable? What

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would you regard as unacceptable, a red line that you could not accept?

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One thing we made clear, for example, on another issue, what we

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would never accept is a diminishing of rights in Britain, and that

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raises difficult questions about access to mechanisms to enforce

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rights. That is not a red line. With respect, rights for workers

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post-Brexit will be a matter for the parliament across the road, that

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will be determined there, you will argue your case. What would you...

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Let me try and help you. If the demand remained as 100 billion euros

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divorce settlement, would that be a red line? Would you refuse? It will

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be a tough negotiation, the idea of paying 100 billion would not be

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acceptable to the British people. Converse Lee, let's recognise this -

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if you take the transitional period between now and the two year period

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ending, we have obligations that we have to meet under treaty as they

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stand. In answer to your question, might there be continuing payments

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into the European Union as part of a deal around, for example, access to

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the single market? Yes, ?100 billion? No. The reason I am asking

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is that there could be an election in the autumn, Labour once and

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election in the autumn,, and the Brexit negotiations are now under

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way, so we do have a right now to know what you're negotiating

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position will be - not just the Government's, we have a right to

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know that, but yours, and so we have a right to know what you would

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regard as lines that he would not cross if Europe was demanding

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certain things. It is quite difficult to work out what they are.

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It has been difficult to decipher what the Government are saying, not

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least because it changes from one day to the next... But I am asking

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about you. We have set out clearly what we need to be able to do, and I

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have given a practical example which is vital to the economic

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prosperity... But that is the Government's position as well, there

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is no difference. What we are not going to do is contemplate for one

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moment that somehow there is a council of despair, and somehow we

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might walk away from the table with no agreement whatsoever, isolated

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with all the economic and other consequences... So no matter how

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bad, there is no deal you would walk away from? If we form a government,

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we will negotiate hard for a good deal. That is what they are doing.

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But he would never walk away? What we will not do... By the way,

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Andrew, I was a negotiator for 30 years, the idea that you go into a

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negotiation of this kind, incidentally, led by a weak and

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divided,... I'm trying to find out your position. The idea that you go

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in and say, oh, you might walk away. That is what trade unions do all the

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time, we will go on strike! Negotiations that I conducted with

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employers, what you do, you seek to establish a common interest, and

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there is a common interest between ourselves and the European Union.

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What we have had is confused mixed messages. I ask you about Labour and

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you attack the Tories. Jack Dromey introduced an interesting idea, that

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we would pay for continuing access to the single market. Is that the

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Government's policy or not? In terms of payments, the days of vast

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contributions to the EU budget would be over. But would we pay for

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continued access to the single market? Well, in terms of the

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negotiations, what we're going to do, we have set it out in the

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Lancaster House macros beach, we are not going to do but contributions...

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You have said that twice. I do not make paying for special things like

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Erasmus and all the rest, but as a principle, are we prepared to pay a

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sum of money to have continued access to the single market for

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goods and services? What we want to do is have access... I know that.

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That is not an answer, I am going to move on. Andrew, I am not going to

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negotiate here. Jack Dromey said that Labour would be prepared to pay

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for continued access, I have asked you three times, I have not got an

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answer. Ministers have never ruled it out, they have been asked lots of

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times, it will one of the first questions that we as the Prime

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Minister on her first foreign trip, on the plane to China, she did not

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rule it out in September last year, and therefore it is reasonable to

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surmise from that that it is something that might be an option.

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The Norwegians Andy Swiss Beggan. And there is increasing chatter

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during a transition period about whether you have to reach for what

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other countries have. That could involve paying a fee. Which have

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another 18 months, I can hardly wait! Just going around in circles!

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Laura, we will let you go, thank you very much. No more Prime Minister

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before the summer? I no, what shall we do?!

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Now, almost two weeks ago the Labour MP Chris Bryant

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won the ballot to put forward a private member's bill,

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the opportunity for backbench MPs to get an idea

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At the time, he didn't know what legislation he would proposes,

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and he joins us from Central Lobby with the news.

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So what have you decided? It is not a question of what I have decided, I

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decided to put it out to an online poll, I put up six different

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proposals, which were active terrorism bill, food advertising,

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marriage equality, exclusion of hereditary peers, and two others,

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and 33,900 people around the country voted online, and 500 of them in my

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own constituency, and here are the results, the top two are the

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refugees families built, 8006 under than 79 votes, and top of the list

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is the assault on emergency service staff, the same in my constituency,

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so I will breed the Mike Leigh presenting a bill to introduce a new

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offence of attacking an emergency worker while they are doing their

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work. -- so I will be presenting a bill. Some on the anvil and villains

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workers, doctors and NHS workers have been attacked in recent years

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and the law is not strong enough. -- so many ambulance workers. Will this

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get cross-party support, do you think? Many Tory MPs have said they

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want to help this get on the statute books. We need a proper way of

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telling people in this country that it is simply not on to attack a fire

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worker when they are trying to put out a fire, not on to attack a

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paramedic when they are trying to resist a date somebody, whether in a

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hospital or out of a hospital, and when people spit at NHS workers,

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there is no requirement in law that they should have to provide a blood

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test, and that means that it is very painful and difficult for the health

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worker, knowing whether they have been infected with something. That

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is another offence we will introduce. There are currently laws

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in place that should protect staff in the emergency services, so you

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are trying to add an extra layer. There are not, there is a summary

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offence related to police offices, so the biggest sentence is six

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months, otherwise you are treated as if you are an ordinary member of the

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public. -- police officers. Everybody goes on about how

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wonderful hour emergency service workers are, this is an opportunity

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to put something on the statute books to protect our protectors.

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Campaign with me, Jo! Can I sign you up? No, she is a TV presenter! You

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can't take sides! There's just time to put you

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out of your misery and give you the answer to Guess

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The Year. It was 2005, Prestat red button.

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There we go. We might need a new red button! Well done, John Dobson, you

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got the answer right. The one o'clock news is starting

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over on BBC One now. Jo and I will be here

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at noon tomorrow with all the big political

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stories of the day.

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Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn are joined by work and pensions secretary David Gauke and shadow business minister Jack Dromey. As well as full coverage and analysis of Prime Minister's Questions, they look at the increasing problem of abuse aimed towards MPs on all sides. Plus Labour's Chris Bryant, who came top of the ballot for Private Member's Bills, explains what legislation he's chosen to put forward.