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Morning, folks.

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Welcome to the Daily Politics.

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Is it right that Downing

Street investigate you?

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Damian Green is the latest

Tory MP to be accused

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of inappropriate conduct.

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Theresa May has ordered

an investigation into allegations

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that he made inappropriate advances

to a female Tory activist.

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Mr Green has described

the claims as "absolutely

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and completely untrue".

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As discussion about an unhealthy

culture of abuse by powerful men

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in British politics continues

to swirl around Westminster,

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we ask what should be done.

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On Brexit, Labour is mounting

a fresh challenge today to force

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a vote to require the Government

to hand over the 58 secret studies

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that have been carried out

about the economic impact of Brexit.

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What do they say?

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And we have full coverage of today's

big Parliamentary clash.

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Prime Minister's Questions will be

live and uninterrupted from midday.

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All that in the next 90 minutes,

and with me for the duration

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are the Shadow Chief Secretary

to the Treasury, Peter Dowd,

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and the Minister of State

for Climate Change and Industry,

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Claire Perry.

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Welcome to you both.

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Now, this morning, there are more

allegations of sexual harassment

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and assault in Westminster.

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Yesterday, Downing Street said

Defence Secretary Michael Fallon

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would not be investigated

by the Cabinet Office.

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In 2002, he had put his

hand on the journalist

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Julia Hartley-Brewer's knee

during a party conference dinner.

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She said she did not regard

the incident as

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"anything but mildly amusing".

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And a list, thought to have

been compiled by staff

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and researchers at Westminster,

detailing a range of mostly unproven

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allegations about 40

Conservative MPs and ministers,

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has been published on social media.

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But most serious of all is the claim

by a young Labour activist

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that she was raped by a senior

Labour figure in 2011.

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Emma has the latest details.

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Damian Green, the First Secretary

of State, and effectively

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Theresa May's deputy,

is facing an investigation

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after allegations that he made

inappropriate advances

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to a female activist.

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Kate Maltby has written

in the Times that, in 2015,

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during a drink, they discussed

affairs in Westminster

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and he said his own wife

was "very understanding".

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She then describes

"a fleeting hand against my knee -

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so brief it was almost deniable".

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She claims she avoided Damian Green

but he later sent her a "suggestive

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text" after she was pictured

in the Times wearing a corset

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for a piece she'd written.

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Damian Green has responded, saying:

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"This untrue allegation has

come as a complete shock

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and is deeply hurtful,

especially from someone

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I considered a personal friend."

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Theresa May has now ordered

an investigation into the incident.

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The Cabinet Secretary,

Sir Jeremy Heywood, has been asked

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to "establish the facts and report

back as soon as possible".

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As he left his house this morning,

Damian Green briefly

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spoke to journalists.

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REPORTER:

Is your behaviour

appropriate, Damian Green?

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Is it right that Downing

Street investigate you?

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All the allegations

are completely false.

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Thank you very much.

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Do you regret your

behaviour, Mr Green?

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But the Conservatives aren't

the only party facing allegations.

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Labour has launched an independent

inquiry after party activist

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Bex Bailey said she was raped

at a Labour event in 2011

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and discouraged by a party

official from reporting it.

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Bex Bailey is a former

member of the party's

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National Executive Committee

and said her attacker was not an MP,

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but someone more senior

than her in the party.

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Labour has said it

takes the allegations

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"extremely seriously".

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Here's Bex Bailey speaking

to Carolyn Quinn on PM yesterday.

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I was seriously sexually assaulted

at a Labour Party event by...

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It wasn't an MP but someone

who was more senior.

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To me, I told a senior

member of staff.

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It was suggested to me

that I not report it.

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I was told that if I did

it might damage me.

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I wasn't given good advice.

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I wasn't given a procedure

when I asked for it so that

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I could see what would happen

if I did report it and

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then make a decision.

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It seemed to me that there

wasn't one that existed.

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So there is a lot coming together

here, and it's important to an

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packet. On the one hand, what might

be regarded as inappropriate

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behaviour, but maybe no more than

that, then sexual harassment and may

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be repeated sexual harassment making

it more serious and, from Bex

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Bailey, a claim, an allegation of

outright rape, which is one of the

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most serious criminal offences in

the criminal code. Claire Perry,

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Damian Green is being investigated

by the cabinet secretary. How does

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he go about that?

Well, any unwanted

sexual behaviour is completely

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unacceptable in any workplace,

whether it is a party environment or

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parliament, and I think it's

absolutely right that the specific

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allegations that are made are dealt

with quickly and clearly, and I

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can't comment on Damian Green's

case, and we heard him saying it

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isn't true.

I was talking about the

process, really. Kate Maltby has

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made the accusation, and Mr green is

reputed absolutely, in his words.

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Where does the cabinet secretary yaw

is the cabinet secretary the

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appropriate person to do this? Where

does he go?

We are bound the

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ministerial code, but clearly, as

has been the case in the past in

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Westminster, if their criminal

allegations being made...

These are

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not criminal allegations. There are

other cases which would involve it,

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but this one is not.

I think it's

right that ministers are

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investigated by the cabinet

secretary.

But he is effectively the

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Deputy Prime Minister. He chairs 13

cabinet subcommittees and he sees

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Jeremy Heywood, the cabinet

secretary, every day. Is it right

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that he should be investigating?

That is the great division between

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the ministers and the government. I

think it is right to go through

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procedure...

But is this the right

procedure? Nine Cabinet

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subcommittees, it is.

In parliament,

which we don't have, we need a

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cross-party independent system where

anybody with any allegation about

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anybody working in Parliament, not

just ministers and MPs, feels they

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can safely raise their concerns, and

we don't have that and, frankly, if

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we want to make holiday place where

people want to work, we need a bit

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Damian Green's accuser is not in

Parliament, she is a journalist and

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an academic, and I wonder if this is

the correct procedure. For there was

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a figure known as the Cabinet

Office's propriety and ethics

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director general, a senior, in this

case, female civil servant. She

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doesn't meet Mr Green everyday.

Wouldn't that be a more appropriate

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independent assessment of what is

happening?

I can't comment on where

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the cabinet secretary wants to take

it. From the Prime Minister's

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initial reaction, the fact she has

made it very clear that there is no

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room for any of this behaviour in

politics, the fact she was there for

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the big statement by the leader of

the house... We are determined to

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make sure Parliament and MPs both

uphold the law and demonstrate codes

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of conduct and behaviour that are

irreproachable.

As I think you will

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realise, that should go without

saying. But if, and I am putting it

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in capital letters, if what Kate

Maltby is saying is true, and that

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is established, does Mr Green have

to resign?

Damian has strenuously

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denied these allegations.

Absolutely.

So there is a point

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where you can't comment on cases,

drug

but did what he is accused of

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doing... Is that serious enough if

true to be a cause of a resignation?

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I think we are an dangerous

territory. For too long, women who

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have brought forward allegations of

abuse have been told they are not

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serious enough to warrant

investigation, and we have heard

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shocking things cross-party on what

has and hasn't been done. We need a

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culture where people feel, if they

feel there has been wrongdoing, feel

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comfortable coming forward.

But

people will only come forward if

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they know there are consequences,

and what I'm trying to establish is

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whether line is. Andrea Leadsom, the

leader of the house, made the line

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quite low, low a criminal charge.

She said it was if it made people

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feel uncomfortable what I'm trying

to establish is the kind of

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behaviour that Mr Green is accused

of, is that the kind of behaviour

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which should cost you your job if

it's true?

Will have to let the

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cabinet secretary disciple if you'll

forgive me, there are some very

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serious allegations being made about

party officials and MPs, and it is

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absolutely right that we investigate

those for the... So why is there no

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investigation into Michael Fallon?

Because somebody is determined,

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perhaps based on the reaction of the

lady who made this point, that this

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wasn't a level of comfort. But I

don't think we should sit in a

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television studio and try to opine

on what people feel that somebody

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may or may not want...

I'm not

asking for an opinion, in that

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sense. I'm asking what the

guidelines should be, in terms of

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what is inappropriate enough to cost

you your job.

We don't have

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guidelines now, and that's the

problem.

Is it more serious than

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what Michael Fallon or Damian Green

have been accused of? That is what

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has happened to this young Labour

activist. Her name is Bex Bailey.

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This is not a case of inappropriate

behaviour or harassment. This, she

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claims, is rape. And yet, when she

went to the Labour Party, not only

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did she get no help, she was

basically told to shut up about it.

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It's shocking, I don't think there

is any other word for what happened

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to that poor woman, and it's

shocking. And the fact that the

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person didn't look into it, didn't

investigate it, is itself shocking,

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and that's why we've set up an

independent investigation.

But it's

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worse because, not only did she get

nowhere individually, and she got

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onto the NEC, your party's ruling

council, she, without mentioning her

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circumstances or experience, she

attempted to get mechanisms in place

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which would make it possible to

handle these claims, to give them a

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proper airing, and for justice to be

done, and she got nowhere.

That's

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right, and that is the point I was

making.

And that was years ago.

It

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was shocking, and what we have done

is to set up an imprint desperately

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to set up an interesting -- to set

up an independent investigation.

Why

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didn't the NEC act?

They should have

acted it is dreadful.

By 2017, it

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took break to put into place proper

procedures. National Grid took a

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break.

Procedures were set in place

early on in 2015 to look into

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allegations like this. I don't deny

it. I think it's important that we

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set up in regards to this one, an

independent investigation as to

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happened at that particular point,

and Don Buchler, -- dawn Buchler,

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our women and equality 's shadow

minister, a set of a walking party

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to look at -- a working party to

look at this.

I would suggest that

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the Conservative and Labour parties

and Westminster as a place of work,

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none of you has the proper

procedures in place, particularly

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for women who find themselves,

whether it is more at the moderate

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end of the scale or act the most

serious end, they feel they have

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almost nowhere to go, and the places

they do have to go do not do them

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justice. They are effectively given

career advice to shut up.

Ever since

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I came into politics, I've been told

it's different in Westminster, we

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have traditions and weird sitting

hours, that's how it is. To attract

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and retain the best people in

politics, we have to clean up our

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act. And I think it's really

important that we do this on a

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cross-party basis. I think the Prime

Minister is right foot

I think,

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whatever it takes to get this

culture right, to get the

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investigation process right, so

people feel like they've had a

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proper hearing...

You'd do it

together?

The speaker has

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indicated...

What about this list of

40 Tory politicians. We are not

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naming these people. Known way of

verifying them. -- there is no way.

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If there are specific named

allegations against individuals, as

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the Prime Minister said, they will

be investigated, but I also think

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that their names on that list where

there are strong denials by the MPs

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involved, and again we shouldn't be

relying on lists sold to media

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outlets in order to publicise

inappropriate behaviour. We have to

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have, I think, a cross-party system

in the House of Lords as well, that

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means that anybody who has a concern

can bring it forward in a Safeway

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and know that it's going to be taken

seriously. Is the case now. -- in a

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safe way.

We shall see in

Westminster I think this is going to

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come at Prime Minister's Questions.

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Yesterday, Brexit Secretary

David Davis gave evidence

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to a House of Lords committee

on the EU negotiations.

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In it, he conceded

that the withdrawal deal

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will likely favour the EU,

but he believed future

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trading relations would be

more equally beneficial.

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It comes as the Government confirmed

it is recruiting up to 8,000 more

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staff over the next year

in preparation for

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the UK's departure.

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This is what David Davis had to say.

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The withdrawal agreement on balance

would probably favour the union

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in terms of the things

like money and so on.

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Whereas the future relationship

will favour both sides and will be

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important to both of us and,

of course, in Article 50,

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as you know, it says

taking into account

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the ongoing relationship.

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Well, it seems to us

you can't take something

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into account until it exists.

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So we see them as inseparable.

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This afternoon, Labour will seek

to up the pressure on ministers

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over their refusal to release

a series of Brexit impact studies.

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On Monday, the Government confirmed

it has prepared 58 reports looking

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at different sectors of the economy,

ranging from aerospace and aviation

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to tourism and legal services.

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But it is resisting calls

to publish them, saying

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to do so would undermine

the UK's negotiating position.

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Labour will today use

what it calls an "ancient,

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but still effective" Parliamentary

tool, called a "humble address",

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to force the Government's hand.

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We shall see what happens. Why

shouldn't these 58 studies be put

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into the public domain?

They have a

material impact on the outcome of

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the negotiations as we move to

negotiations about what is the right

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trade deal. And I think one of the

things we have seen is the

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Government is actually have been far

more transparent than we thought

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they might be at the start of this

process. We wanted lots of

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Parliamentary scrutiny and we have

had that but I think it's absolutely

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right, I imagine the EU is doing

this, if we are assessing the impact

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of certain outcomes on different

trade sectors, I think we should be

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keeping that quiet until we progress

in those negotiations. The EU is not

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publishing its assessment either.

Is

the British Government that we're

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talking about, if we don't see the

studies, how can we judge if you get

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a good deal or not?

That will be put

to the test.

One of the things... It

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won't be if we can't see the

studies.

We've had a clear steer

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from David Davis that Parliament

ought to have a final vote on the

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shape of the deal.

But what I'm

saying is how do we judge the

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content of the deal if we haven't

seen the impact studies on these 58

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industrial sectors?

We will see the

outcome of the deal and what the

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various trade-offs might be and I

think where we are going is the

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closest possible relationship with

the EU, so we can maintain these

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benefits of cross-border flows,

which has a big influence on some

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sectors more than others.

We won't

know that if you don't publish the

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assessment. Wide do you want to see

them?

It's crucial to see what they

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say and for transparency. It's

important we know what these

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assessments say because if they have

an impact on tourism, which affects

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my city region, Liverpool,

significantly, it's important that

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we see them for that there's an

issue of transparency, about

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openness, and the point Claire makes

about with had lots of discussions

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on this, the reality is Parliament

at the moment RA zombie Parliament.

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On zero hours.

You might be, Peter,

I'm not!

We are trying to drag every

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single piece of information out of

the Government.

Have you seen any

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impact assessment?

All departments

have been asked to put them

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together.

Have you seen them?

No. My

teams have been involved in putting

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them together. Can I just make the

point...

Hold on, you as a

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Government minister in charge of

climate change and what's the other

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one? Energy. Very important to this

country's future. And you have not

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seen the impact assessment?

I've

been closely involved with a

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negotiation team that what we want

to actually...

But you have not seen

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the impact assessment on energy

Brexit could have?

I don't believe

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there is one prepared for energy.

They managed 58 but not one for

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energy?

Andrew, can we move on?

No,

this is outstanding. The Government

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has prepared 50 at impact

assessments yet, on energy, which is

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a huge part of our economy, both the

generation and distribution and

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import of it by the French

connector, and Norwegian gas, one

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has not been prepared?

I had a

conversation yesterday with a French

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Minister about the impact of

interconnection. The impact

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assessments will be a series of

technical -based analysis based on

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different outcomes and if I can just

say, both in our constituencies

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voted to leave, Peter. Brutal voted

out. 54%.

Let's not go there.

We

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have to negotiate and get on with

this.

That's why he wants to see the

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impact assessment.

If Peter's party

for one second could come up with a

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stable view of what they want to

come up with Brexit, I know your job

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is to oppose everything, but this is

serious national conversation where

0:21:090:21:12

we should do a bit more working

together.

For a national

0:21:120:21:16

conversation to be informed, you

have to have the data but you're not

0:21:160:21:20

prepared to publish it. Let me ask

you this. Do you think it'll be

0:21:200:21:25

worth the paper it's written on?

It's difficult to make a judgment

0:21:250:21:28

until you have seen it.

Had ever

seen an impact assessment which

0:21:280:21:32

turned out to be true?

It's

important to get indications and you

0:21:320:21:36

can tease out...

That's part of the

negotiation, Peter.

For example,

0:21:360:21:43

Brexit is not an event. It is a

process, a lead up to coming out,

0:21:430:21:48

but it is important to that, during

the process, we have as much

0:21:480:21:52

information as we can about

everything related to this from

0:21:520:21:55

energy right the way through to

environment. It's very important.

0:21:550:22:01

What is wrong with asking for those

getting that information?

Our people

0:22:010:22:06

have been looking through his impact

assessments because we know some of

0:22:060:22:09

the areas that there is one on gas

and another on fossil fuels. The

0:22:090:22:16

last time I looked, that's energy.

And you haven't seen it and you're

0:22:160:22:23

the energy minister?

Richard

Harrington is the energy Minister. I

0:22:230:22:31

have climate change and industry.

The point is... That's why we are

0:22:310:22:35

leading the world in fossil fuels.

How do you know if you've not seen

0:22:350:22:39

the impact assessment on fossil

fuels?

I can look at what we have

0:22:390:22:43

done historically and what we plan

to do and I can also tell you the

0:22:430:22:47

day-to-day conversations we have

with ministerial colleagues where we

0:22:470:22:51

are completely involved in setting

up the various negotiations on these

0:22:510:22:54

things are live and valid.

Do you

want me to put a word in for you to

0:22:540:22:59

see if I can get you to see these

papers?

I can see them without your

0:22:590:23:05

help, but thank you.

A brilliant

column in the Financial Times,

0:23:050:23:10

there's lies, dam lies and economic

impact assessments. You could be

0:23:100:23:15

chasing something here, transparency

I understand, but...

It may or may

0:23:150:23:22

not be the key to this, so why are

the Government wanting to keep them

0:23:220:23:26

under wraps? That is the question.

The more you try to keep things

0:23:260:23:30

under wraps, the more people...

The

Minister has not even seen them. Are

0:23:300:23:36

you voting this afternoon on this?

Of course. I am there every day.

Are

0:23:360:23:43

you going to vote against this?

I

shall look at it on the motions. Of

0:23:430:23:48

course I'm going to vote, I always

vote.

0:23:480:23:54

Have you ever found yourself

stumbling across something

0:23:540:23:56

on the internet that has completely

ruined your evening?

0:23:560:23:58

No, I'm not talking about some

dubious list of Tory MPs

0:23:580:24:01

and their predilections.

0:24:010:24:03

I'm talking Twitter,

I'm talking GBBO.

0:24:030:24:05

Yes, the Great British Bake Off.

0:24:050:24:08

Yes, Prue Leith, I'm talking to you,

Twitter's twit of the day.

0:24:080:24:14

How could you preempt the nation's

most important contest this year -

0:24:140:24:17

apart from the Conservative

leadership - by letting the cat out

0:24:170:24:20

of the bag over who won

Bake Off on Twitter?

0:24:200:24:28

I know you are in Bhutan,

six hours ahead, and didn't realise

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the time difference.

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And I know you feel more guilty

than a black forest gateau.

0:24:330:24:43

Very 1970s here!

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Very 1970s here!

0:24:450:24:46

So why don't you console yourself

with a nice cup of Bhutanese tea -

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or po cha cha suma,

as they say in Thimpu -

0:24:490:24:52

the drink that cheers.

0:24:520:24:53

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0:25:010:25:04

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It's coming up to midday here -

just take a look at Big Ben -

0:26:580:27:07

Almost covered entirely in

scaffolding now.

0:27:070:27:09

Yes, Prime Minister's

Questions is on its way.

0:27:090:27:11

And that's not all -

Laura Kuenssberg is here.

0:27:110:27:15

All the stories swirling around

Westminster ranging from

0:27:150:27:18

inappropriate behaviour to sexual

harassment to rape. Hard for PMQs to

0:27:180:27:25

avoid that, I would've thought.

I

would be surprised if they avoid

0:27:250:27:29

this issue not just because it is

what a is talking about in

0:27:290:27:33

Westminster but also it's something

extremely important and, as days go

0:27:330:27:37

by, I do think we have entered a new

phase in all of this. From time to

0:27:370:27:40

time, stories like this have bubbled

up but there has always been a real

0:27:400:27:45

reticence among some of the victims

of this kind of behaviour, who work

0:27:450:27:49

across the road, to come forward,

and I do think, potentially,

0:27:490:27:54

particularly after yesterday and Bex

Bailey, I think we are seeing a

0:27:540:28:00

change in this celebrated apart is

not just nervous that what's going

0:28:000:28:03

to corrupt in their own party when

the rock is lifted up, but they also

0:28:030:28:09

are concerned to get this right.

Actually to try to make this a

0:28:090:28:13

moment and make the Parliament 2017

a parliament which created a change

0:28:130:28:16

and I suspect by the end of the day

we will see more proposal from the

0:28:160:28:19

Labour Party by tightening up their

procedures again.

The key word there

0:28:190:28:25

for me is 2017. It's only 2017 that

we are now getting around to this.

0:28:250:28:32

The understandable reluctance of

women in particular to come forward

0:28:320:28:34

and you can understand what happened

from Bex Bailey's experience, but

0:28:340:28:39

the consequence of that is it

allowed Westminster and the

0:28:390:28:41

political parties and Government not

to do too much about it, not to put

0:28:410:28:48

procedures in place.

Yes, I think

that has been part of the... There's

0:28:480:28:54

been lots of issues here, but one of

the problems has been when people

0:28:540:28:58

don't speak up firstly it's very

hard for the political parties to

0:28:580:29:02

know what they're dealing with. If

it's not open and discussed, then

0:29:020:29:05

it's been very difficult to tell

what the true scale of this kind of

0:29:050:29:11

thing is. Everyone has heard these

allegations from time to time. But

0:29:110:29:15

until people were willing to put

things on record it's very hard to

0:29:150:29:20

know genuinely how widespread an

issue this is. And we have also seen

0:29:200:29:24

this as an issue for young men and

for young women, when these issues

0:29:240:29:28

have bubbled up before, there are

people who feel when they've tried

0:29:280:29:32

to speak out and they have been

penalised. Sometimes they have

0:29:320:29:35

slinked away from Westminster and

part of the issue here is loyalty is

0:29:350:29:40

whether currencies around here.

That's not just the whips hanging

0:29:400:29:44

onto awkward information to get

people to vote the way they want to,

0:29:440:29:49

but because Westminster attract

ambitious people who want to come

0:29:490:29:52

here quite often want to change the

world and they want to make a

0:29:520:29:55

difference so do people want to

start their career being pointed to

0:29:550:30:00

as some kind of troublemaker? With

some kind of way that they will be

0:30:000:30:04

attacked themselves and since Bex

Bailey came forward yesterday, I

0:30:040:30:09

talk to people who have been

affected by these issues who told me

0:30:090:30:12

this was in their mind, they felt

they would not be believed and they

0:30:120:30:16

feared they would be damaged in

terms of their own futures if they

0:30:160:30:22

spoke up. The other thing which is a

structural issue is MPs employ their

0:30:220:30:27

staff directly. We're not talking

about a traditional business is how

0:30:270:30:30

do you complain about the bass to

the boss? There's no big HR

0:30:300:30:35

department. There's no real

structure. When these things are

0:30:350:30:38

bubbled up over the years,

Parliament has never quite grasped

0:30:380:30:42

that and there have been various

proposals. Should the expenses

0:30:420:30:46

regulate to be the ones in charge of

it? There were ideas David Cameron

0:30:460:30:51

considered a 1922 committee not keen

on having some kind of corporate

0:30:510:30:55

Hellas employing a couple of

thousand researchers -- beer

0:30:550:31:01

but this is not just an issue in

Parliament. This is an issue in the

0:31:040:31:08

culture of Parliament. And politics

and other industries. But there is

0:31:080:31:15

something different here because

Westminster works on power and

0:31:150:31:19

loyalty is one of the things which

boils the wheels and when people

0:31:190:31:24

really, really care about their

party, they have sometimes been

0:31:240:31:28

persuaded to hold things back for

the greater good.

Which is what Bex

0:31:280:31:32

Bailey appears to have done. It is

interesting the way things work,

0:31:320:31:37

Laura, if this is a watershed

year...

And it may not be.

If it is,

0:31:370:31:44

how society works now cut it takes

the scandal surrounding a Hollywood

0:31:440:31:48

mogul to result in a potential major

change in Westminster.

That is quite

0:31:480:31:55

something. I would also say that

certainly I have been in Westminster

0:31:550:32:02

for nearly 20 years now and most

people would concur the atmosphere

0:32:020:32:07

is less secretive, less full of

awful things going on in dark

0:32:070:32:12

corners. It has improved if you want

to use that word. But are there

0:32:120:32:17

things that people have carried

around with them for a long time

0:32:170:32:20

that they feel they have not been

able to share, yes, absolutely

0:32:200:32:23

estimate

0:32:230:32:23

the whips office in both parties,

having date on someone but not using

0:32:260:32:33

it to bring justice, keeping it...

When I was a Government whip in

0:32:330:32:40

2013, that is not true, actually

there were attempts made in 2013 to

0:32:400:32:45

set up a cross-party independent...

We will come back to that because we

0:32:450:32:50

got to go straight

0:32:500:32:51

I know that members across the house

will have been appalled by last

0:32:570:33:01

night's cowardly terrorist attack in

New York. Our thoughts are with all

0:33:010:33:05

of those affected and we stand

united with the people of New York.

0:33:050:33:10

Members on both sides have been

deeply concerned about allegations

0:33:100:33:14

of harassment and mistreatment in

Westminster. This demands a

0:33:140:33:17

response, and that is why the leader

of the house has been meeting with

0:33:170:33:21

her counterparts, and we are hopeful

all sides can work together quickly

0:33:210:33:24

to resolve this, and I have written

to all party leaders inviting them

0:33:240:33:28

to a meeting early next week so we

can discuss a common, transparent,

0:33:280:33:33

independent grievance procedure for

all of those who work in Parliament.

0:33:330:33:36

We have a duty to ensure that

everybody coming here to contribute

0:33:360:33:40

to public life is treated with

respect. This morning I had meetings

0:33:400:33:44

with ministerial colleagues and

others. In addition to my duties in

0:33:440:33:48

the house, I will have further such

meetings later.

Is the Prime

0:33:480:33:53

Minister where there have been some

very powerful research that's been

0:33:530:33:56

done on the question of high speed

rail? What it says is that, in the

0:33:560:34:03

leafy suburbs of the south, the

first 140 miles, 30% of it has been

0:34:030:34:08

dedicated to tunnelling to avoid

knocking down houses. Yet, in the

0:34:080:34:14

north, we are now told that the

percentage is only 2% for the whole

0:34:140:34:21

of the north. Why? Because HS2 says

it's too costly, so knock the houses

0:34:210:34:31

down. Will she arranged for a

meeting with people from my area in

0:34:310:34:34

order to avoid another 30 houses

being knocked down in Newton, part

0:34:340:34:42

of Bolsover? And isn't it high time

that this government stopped

0:34:420:34:46

treating our people like

second-class citizens?

I say to the

0:34:460:34:56

honourable gentleman that I'm sure

the Department for Transport will be

0:34:560:34:59

happy to look into the question that

he has raised but, of course, HS2,

0:34:590:35:06

the reason why we are doing HS2 is

it is important to increase the

0:35:060:35:13

capacity of the railway lines going

through to the north. This will be a

0:35:130:35:17

very important contribution to the

UK economy. And I can assure him, if

0:35:170:35:21

he looks at everything this

government has done, with the

0:35:210:35:24

Northern Powerhouse, the Midlands

engine... Be significant investment

0:35:240:35:36

in infrastructure across all parts

of the country, this is a government

0:35:360:35:41

that wants to ensure this is a

country that works for everyone.

I

0:35:410:35:45

want to join the Prime Minister and

add my thoughts are with New

0:35:450:35:52

Yorkers. The shocking scenes in New

York will have brought back awful

0:35:520:35:56

memories of terrorist attacks there

and, as we degrade and destroyed

0:35:560:36:01

Daesh, at its base, it will exploit

its death cult ideology. Will my

0:36:010:36:06

honourable friend urged our

international partners to join with

0:36:060:36:10

us in delivering the recent UN

resolution to investigate and

0:36:100:36:13

prosecute Daesh terrorists so we can

hold them to account for their vile

0:36:130:36:18

part?

My honourable friend raises an

important point, and it's important

0:36:180:36:21

that we ensure we have a complete

response to this issue of the threat

0:36:210:36:27

of terrorism. That involves dealing

with the problem at source. It must

0:36:270:36:32

also involve dealing with terrorism

wherever it occurs. But our message

0:36:320:36:35

is clear, that our values will

prevail, that the terrorists will

0:36:350:36:39

not win. As we do this, we need to

ensure that we work with

0:36:390:36:42

international partners. We want to

try and make sure that there is in

0:36:420:36:48

Syria Iran, that we develop -- Syria

and Iraq. That we develop safe

0:36:480:36:57

spaces as they re-emerge from this

terrorist threat, that has been on

0:36:570:37:00

their street but also affected

people across the world. Crucially,

0:37:000:37:03

and we have done a lot of work in

this, in helping those in situ to be

0:37:030:37:08

able to gain evidence that can be

used to ensure that anybody who is

0:37:080:37:14

involved in the horrors of attacks

that we see, that anybody involved

0:37:140:37:18

in those attacks can actually be

brought to justice.

On the question

0:37:180:37:28

of the sex harassment allegations

that the Prime Minister quite

0:37:280:37:31

rightly referred to, to put on the

record, I am happy to meet with the

0:37:310:37:34

Prime Minister and all party leaders

to discuss this. We need better

0:37:340:37:38

protections for all in this house.

This house must involve workplace

0:37:380:37:42

trade unions in that, but it is also

incumbent on all parties to have

0:37:420:37:46

robust procedures in place to

protect and support victims of

0:37:460:37:51

sexual abuse and harassment. I join

with the Prime Minister in sending

0:37:510:37:57

our solidarity with the people of

New York and then mayor, Bill de

0:37:570:38:01

Blasio, for the appalling terrorist

attack yesterday. I hope the whole

0:38:010:38:05

house will join me in paying tribute

to two former Labour can -- two

0:38:050:38:10

former Labour colleagues, who passed

away this week, candy Atherton, the

0:38:100:38:14

member for Falmouth and Campbell,

and Frank Doran, the member for

0:38:140:38:18

Aberdeen North, who both did

enormous good work at opposite ends

0:38:180:38:20

of the UK to represent their

communities and constituencies would

0:38:200:38:25

they will be missed by all of us,

especially in the Labour Party, who

0:38:250:38:28

they served so well for their entire

lives. In 2010, the Labour

0:38:280:38:34

government intervened through HMRC

to shut down an Isle of Man scheme

0:38:340:38:42

used to import yachts into the EU

and thus to avoid tax. A similar

0:38:420:38:48

scheme has recently been exposed

relating to the import of business

0:38:480:38:50

jets into the Isle of Man. So can

the Prime Minister assure the house

0:38:500:38:56

that HMRC investigates these new

allegations diligently?

The right

0:38:560:39:03

honourable gentleman has made a

number of references in his

0:39:030:39:08

question, and I will address all of

them. On the first point, it is

0:39:080:39:12

absolutely essential, and he is

right, that we have processes, that

0:39:120:39:16

political parties have processes to

deal with allegations of misconduct,

0:39:160:39:21

but also that, obviously, we have

the ministerial code and proper

0:39:210:39:25

investigations take place against

that, where that is appropriate, but

0:39:250:39:29

I believe it is also crucial for

everybody working in this

0:39:290:39:33

Parliament, be they working for a

Member of Parliament, for the house

0:39:330:39:37

authorities or a journalist working

in this Parliament, that there are

0:39:370:39:40

proper processes in this Parliament

for people to be able to report

0:39:400:39:46

misconduct and for that to be dealt

with, and I think that is very

0:39:460:39:50

important, and I'm grateful for him

saying he will meet with me, and I

0:39:500:39:55

hope other party leaders... I see

the leader of the SNP is nodding his

0:39:550:39:59

head. To look at this particular

issue. Can I also join him in paying

0:39:590:40:03

tribute to both Frank Duran -- Frank

Doran and Candy Atherton. Frank

0:40:030:40:11

Doran was first elected in 1987,

serving two separate terms as the MP

0:40:110:40:15

for Aberdeen, chairing the

administration committee for five

0:40:150:40:18

years and he was a tireless

campaigner for safety in the oil and

0:40:180:40:22

gas industry, and I'm sure everybody

will recall his commitment in this

0:40:220:40:25

house and join me in offering

condolences to his family and

0:40:250:40:30

friends, and Candy Atherton, first

elected in 1997, when I was first

0:40:300:40:33

elected, and she served for eight

years as an MP, but she was a strong

0:40:330:40:38

campaigner for women's rights and

disability issues and continued to

0:40:380:40:42

champion those causes on Cornwall

council after leaving this house,

0:40:420:40:45

and I'm sure that members across

this house will join me in offering

0:40:450:40:48

my condolences to her family and

friends. The right honourable

0:40:480:40:52

gentleman talks about tax avoidance,

and I can assure him that, where

0:40:520:40:56

cases are referred to HMRC in

relation to tax avoidance, they take

0:40:560:41:00

those seriously and look into those

measures seriously. We have taken

0:41:000:41:02

action collectively as a government

over the last few years, since 2010,

0:41:020:41:09

when he first came in, and we have

secured over £150 million of

0:41:090:41:16

compliance revenues since 2010 from

a number of measures we have taken

0:41:160:41:19

to ensure that we clamp down on tax

evasion and avoidance.

957 business

0:41:190:41:26

jets in the Isle of Man seems a bit

excessive for any island anywhere,

0:41:260:41:31

and I hope it is investigated and

you tax is investigated from those

0:41:310:41:38

people trying to avoid it. -- the

tax that is due. Allegations of the

0:41:380:41:47

scale of tax docking -- tax dodging

involved range up to 119 billion,

0:41:470:41:51

the size of the NHS budget. The Isle

of Man VAT avoidance allegations are

0:41:510:41:55

part of a wider link from the

Bermuda -based law firm said the a

0:41:550:42:03

similar scale the Panama Papers.

Will the Prime Minister commit the

0:42:030:42:07

HMRC to fully investigate all

evidence of UK tax avoidance and

0:42:070:42:16

evasion from this league, and

prosecute where feasible?

I had

0:42:160:42:22

given the right honourable gentleman

and assurance in my first answer

0:42:220:42:26

that HMRC does take these issues

very seriously, does investigate and

0:42:260:42:31

thus take action and, where

appropriate, tax loopholes are

0:42:310:42:33

closed. What is important is that,

if we look at the record we have,

0:42:330:42:41

and I mentioned the 160 billion in

additional compliance revenues since

0:42:410:42:45

2010, we have announced or intimated

over 75 measures since 2010 to

0:42:450:42:48

tackle tax avoidance and evasion.

The right honourable gentleman

0:42:480:42:52

referred to one that was done by

Labour. We have been continuing to

0:42:520:42:58

act on this particular issue, so we

will be raising billions of pounds

0:42:580:43:01

more as a result. But I reassured

him... I think most people would

0:43:010:43:05

recognise that HMRC actually does

rather want to collect tax. That its

0:43:050:43:12

job, and it does look to make sure

it can do so as much as possible.

0:43:120:43:16

Well, it's rather strange then that

Britain reportedly has blocked a

0:43:160:43:24

French led proposal which would have

placed Bermuda on the European Union

0:43:240:43:29

tax haven blacklist. Perhaps the

Prime Minister could explain why

0:43:290:43:32

that would be the case? The Panama

Papers exposed many wealthy

0:43:320:43:36

individuals and big businesses who

avoided tax through offshore trusts.

0:43:360:43:39

Labour backs any necessary changes

to toughen our laws against

0:43:390:43:45

aggressive tax avoidance of just

yesterday, Mr Speaker, we tried to

0:43:450:43:52

strengthen legislation on beneficial

ownership of trusts, with amendments

0:43:520:43:57

we placed to the finance bill why

did the government vote against

0:43:570:44:00

them?

Can I say to the right

honourable gentleman that he raises

0:44:000:44:10

the issue of British Overseas

Territories. In fact, this

0:44:100:44:13

government has taken action in

relation to those British Overseas

0:44:130:44:19

Territories, action that was not

taken by the previous Labour

0:44:190:44:21

government. So, if he says to me

that this whole question of tax

0:44:210:44:28

evasion is something that needs to

be constantly looked at, and

0:44:280:44:32

government needs to be prepared to

act, my answer is, yes, we are and

0:44:320:44:36

we will.

There is a strange kind of

pattern here, because, in 2015

0:44:360:44:46

alone... In 2015 alone am a

Conservative members of the European

0:44:460:44:53

Parliament voted against five

reports to introduce methods of

0:44:530:44:59

fighting tax avoidance and evasion.

Last week, HMRC admitted that

0:44:590:45:02

multinational companies avoid paying

5.8 billion taxes in 2016. Despite

0:45:020:45:11

this, HMRC is currently cutting

another 8000 staff. So can the Prime

0:45:110:45:18

Minister assure the house that, in

the upcoming Budget, instead of more

0:45:180:45:26

cuts to HMRC, they will get more

resources to tackle the scourge of

0:45:260:45:28

aggressive tax avoidance and

evasion?

0:45:280:45:35

I have reassure the Right Honourable

gentleman. HMRC is acting since this

0:45:350:45:42

Conservative Party came into

Government in 2010 and will continue

0:45:420:45:46

to act but, of course, in asking

these questions, he might want to

0:45:460:45:53

reflect on why it was before the

dissolution of Parliament earlier

0:45:530:45:56

this year, it was the Labour Party

that stopped and refused to support

0:45:560:46:01

a tax avoidance and evasion measures

brought forward by this Government.

0:46:010:46:07

His party stopped it.

Mr Speaker, my

question was why Conservative MPs

0:46:070:46:22

opposed what Labour was proposing

yesterday? So, Mr Speaker... Last

0:46:220:46:40

month's European Parliament

committee of enquiry set up in the

0:46:400:46:42

wake of the Panama papers, claimed

that the UK is obstructing the fight

0:46:420:46:48

against tax dodging and

money-laundering. And, just last

0:46:480:46:53

week, the EU's competition

Commissioner announced an enquiry

0:46:530:46:57

into UK taxation rules that may have

institutionalised tax avoidance by

0:46:570:47:03

multinational corporations. Isn't

the Prime Minister concerned that

0:47:030:47:09

vital revenue is being lost to fund

schools and hospitals? Will she

0:47:090:47:13

change the rules in the budget?

Can

I say to the right honourable

0:47:130:47:20

gentleman we have taken an extra

£160 billion in additional

0:47:200:47:28

compliance revenue since 2010 and he

says measures being proposed this

0:47:280:47:34

week, as I said in my previous

answer, we would have had more tax

0:47:340:47:39

evasion measures in place if the

Labour Party had not blocked of

0:47:390:47:44

before the last election. This party

in Government has not just been

0:47:440:47:53

acting in the UK. We have been

working with the Crown dependencies,

0:47:530:47:58

the British Overseas Territories,

and leading the world, it was the

0:47:580:48:05

Conservative Prime Minister that put

this on the agenda of the G7 anergy

0:48:050:48:10

20 four international action against

tax avoidance and evasion.

If we are

0:48:100:48:16

leading the world perhaps she can

explain how the amount of tax paid

0:48:160:48:21

by the super-rich in income tax has

fallen from 4.4 billion down to 3.5

0:48:210:48:28

billion since 2009. Earlier this

year, the Public Accounts Committee

0:48:280:48:36

said the HMRC record of getting

multimillionaires to pay their taxes

0:48:360:48:40

was dismal and the super-rich were

getting help with their tax affairs

0:48:400:48:47

that is not available to other

taxpayers. Our schools budget has

0:48:470:48:54

been cut. More people waiting longer

for treatment.

In the

0:48:540:49:02

order. We do tend to have

overexcitement every week but I give

0:49:050:49:09

notice as usual I would like to get

to the end of the order paper and

0:49:090:49:14

facilitate backbench enquiries, as

well, so members are eating only

0:49:140:49:19

into their own time forth I have got

all the time the world.

Since

0:49:190:49:23

members to get so excited, I must

say it again, our schools budgets

0:49:230:49:27

are being cut, more people waiting

longer for treatment on the National

0:49:270:49:36

Health Service. More elderly and

disabled not getting the social care

0:49:360:49:41

they need. Does the Prime Minister

think it is acceptable that, when it

0:49:410:49:48

comes to paying taxes, there's one

rule for the super-rich, and another

0:49:480:49:52

the rest of us?

The top 1% of

earners in this country are paying

0:49:520:50:03

28% of the tax burden. That is the

highest percentage ever under any

0:50:030:50:10

Government. And, once again, he is

wrong forth over the next two years,

0:50:100:50:20

£2.5 billion extra is being put into

our schools, as a result of

0:50:200:50:26

decisions taken by this Conservative

Government. But I will tell him, he

0:50:260:50:31

talks about spending on schools and

hospitals. I will tell him where the

0:50:310:50:36

real problem lies full sub today be

spent nearly £50 billion in payments

0:50:360:50:40

on interest to those we have

borrowed from as a result of the

0:50:400:50:45

legacy of the Labour Party.

0:50:450:50:50

That is more than we spend on the

NHS pay bill, it is more than we

0:50:560:51:01

spend on...

Order,

0:51:010:51:04

Answer will be heard as I

0:51:040:51:07

Answer will be heard as I indicated.

Mr Gates, you are a senior denizen

0:51:070:51:13

of the House. This excessive jester

Galatea and is not good for you,

0:51:130:51:19

man. Calm yourself.

We spend £50

billion on debt interest every year,

0:51:190:51:27

payments to people we have borrowed

from, more than the NHS pay Bill,

0:51:270:51:32

more than our schools budget, more

than we spend on defence. That as a

0:51:320:51:37

result of the economy we were left

by the Labour Party Government. And

0:51:370:51:43

what does the right honourable

gentleman want to do? He wants to

0:51:430:51:46

borrow £500 billion more to make the

situation worse and leave even less

0:51:460:51:52

money for schools and hospitals.

Tim

Lawton.

On August 22, 2015 in my

0:51:520:52:02

constituency, 11 men tragically lost

their lives in the airshow disaster.

0:52:020:52:08

26 months later, no decision has

been taken on criminal charges and

0:52:080:52:10

coroners inquest has been delayed

again until November next year. The

0:52:100:52:15

families of the victims have just

had their application for

0:52:150:52:18

exceptional case funding rejected by

their legal aid agency and they will

0:52:180:52:22

likely be the only persons at the

inquest not legally represented.

0:52:220:52:27

Will my right honourable friend

agreed to look at this case again

0:52:270:52:30

and to meet the families to ensure

that they have proper access to

0:52:300:52:34

justice in this exceptionally tragic

case which is a much wider public

0:52:340:52:38

interest for safety at all levels?

Can I say he raises a very important

0:52:380:52:44

issue and I can understand the

concerns of the families. In

0:52:440:52:48

relation to this. He talks about the

timetable for decisions being taken

0:52:480:52:53

for the Department for Transport has

accepted the recommendation and they

0:52:530:53:00

are working with the air accident

investigation Branch to determine

0:53:000:53:03

the scope of the review. The Civil

Aviation Authority has accepted all

0:53:030:53:08

recommendations, so there was

considerable work going on to learn

0:53:080:53:12

the lessons from this disaster. But

we're also committed ensuring that

0:53:120:53:17

people, where there is a public

disaster, people have proper

0:53:170:53:22

representation and this is an issue

I will ask the Lord Chancellor to

0:53:220:53:26

look at in relation to the questions

raised.

Ian Blackford.

Thank you,

0:53:260:53:33

can I associate myself with the

remarks made by the Prime Minister

0:53:330:53:36

went to talk about the zero

tolerance there has to be for bad

0:53:360:53:41

sexual practices and behaviour and I

certainly commit my members to work

0:53:410:53:44

with the Government to make sure

that we can have a system we can be

0:53:440:53:49

proud of that protects all members

of the Houses of Parliament. Can I

0:53:490:53:52

pass on my condolences to the family

and friends of Frank Gordon for his

0:53:520:53:57

sad death this week. Can the Prime

Minister tell the House how much a

0:53:570:54:04

working single parent can expect to

lose because of the roll-out of the

0:54:040:54:07

Universal Credit?

Can I first of all

say to the honourable gentleman that

0:54:070:54:14

I'm grateful to him for agreeing he

wants to work across the House on

0:54:140:54:17

this important issue. If I may just

say to him, he referred to sexual

0:54:170:54:21

misconduct, I think what is

important is that we list not just

0:54:210:54:27

sexual misconduct and also bullying,

as well because that is also

0:54:270:54:31

important. He has raised the role of

Universal Credit with me before. The

0:54:310:54:36

reason why we have brought in to

replace it is to ensure that when

0:54:360:54:41

people are encouraged into the

workplace and in work, they are able

0:54:410:54:45

to keep more of the money they earn.

That's an important principle we

0:54:450:54:50

will continue to underpin that.

The

reality is that new research shows

0:54:500:54:57

that working single parents could

lose an average of £1350 a year.

0:54:570:55:03

Because of the cuts to work

allowances. Universal Credit is fast

0:55:030:55:09

becoming Theresa May's poll tax. The

Prime Minister has a habit of you

0:55:090:55:16

turning. Will see you turn one more

time and fix the problems with

0:55:160:55:20

Universal Credit?

Can I say to the

honourable gentleman, I have

0:55:200:55:26

underlined the principle which lies

behind Universal Credit which I

0:55:260:55:29

believe is very important and that

is why when we look at the support

0:55:290:55:32

given to people it isn't just about

the support they receive in

0:55:320:55:35

financial terms but also about

helping them to get onto the work

0:55:350:55:42

ladder, ensuring they can actually

meet the requirements of getting

0:55:420:55:46

into the workplace and when they are

in work they can keep more of the

0:55:460:55:49

money that they earn. I think that

is an important principle and we

0:55:490:55:54

will continue to roll-out Universal

Credit looking carefully at the

0:55:540:55:57

fermentation of Universal Credit as

we do so, because we are doing this

0:55:570:56:02

in a careful way over a period of

time, but the important principle is

0:56:020:56:07

Universal Credit is a simpler system

which ensures people keep more as

0:56:070:56:10

they earn more.

Mr Speaker, in

Amersham we are acutely aware that

0:56:100:56:24

infrastructure is vital for economic

success particularly of other parts

0:56:240:56:27

of the country. However, we still

have areas that do not have access

0:56:270:56:31

to high-speed broadband, and with

the advent of electric vehicles, we

0:56:310:56:36

are going to need to install an

extensive charging network. Could

0:56:360:56:41

the Prime Minister tell me what

further action the Government can

0:56:410:56:44

take to ensure the timely completion

of our broadband infrastructure and

0:56:440:56:48

what it can do to guarantee the

rapid roll-out of electric vehicle

0:56:480:56:52

charging points soap Buckinghamshire

residents and businesses cannot just

0:56:520:56:56

bear the brunt and the burden of

infrastructure development, but can

0:56:560:57:02

take advantage of the opportunities

offered by modern technology?

She's

0:57:020:57:08

absolutely right that we want to be

able to ensure we take the

0:57:080:57:12

advantages offered by modern

technology. That's why these are

0:57:120:57:16

issues addressed in our industrial

strategy and we will continue to

0:57:160:57:19

address them and we recognise that

when we talk about infrastructure in

0:57:190:57:25

this country actually increasingly

the IT broadband infrastructure is

0:57:250:57:28

part of that, it's not just the

physical roads and rails

0:57:280:57:30

infrastructure. We are investing 790

minute and pound improving

0:57:300:57:34

broadband, our big investment up to

1.7 billion, and we are leading the

0:57:340:57:42

world in the development of electric

cars and we need to ensure we have

0:57:420:57:46

those vehicle charging points so we

have put in place grants and policy

0:57:460:57:50

measures to ensure that we see those

charging points so people can take

0:57:500:57:54

advantage of it.

If the Prime

Minister is serious about building a

0:57:540:58:00

country that works for everyone, why

are under 25 is not included in the

0:58:000:58:06

national mood and wage? And also

apprentices, 3.15 hour?

It's

0:58:060:58:14

important we have the national

living wage. It was this party which

0:58:140:58:17

introduced it. That has happened and

has had an important impact on

0:58:170:58:24

people and obviously the national

living wage continues to increase.

0:58:240:58:29

Will the Prime Minister join with

the local Government ministers

0:58:290:58:34

positive comments this week

welcoming family hubs and pushing

0:58:340:58:41

carriage our excellent Conservative

councils to be champions of these

0:58:410:58:44

hubs which can so improve the lives

of children including the most

0:58:440:58:49

runnable children by strengthening

their families?

Can I thank her for

0:58:490:58:53

raising this point. I hope we all

recognise the value of stable and

0:58:530:58:58

strong families and this is an issue

she has championed through her time

0:58:580:59:03

in this House but also outside of

this House as well and I am happy to

0:59:030:59:09

join her in welcoming the

development of family hubs and I

0:59:090:59:13

would encourage Conservative

councils across the country to be

0:59:130:59:14

champions of this.

Thank you. Is the

Prime Minister aware that my city of

0:59:140:59:23

Dundee has been repeatedly in the

news last week. It launched its

0:59:230:59:28

European city of culture bid and is

now the world centre for

0:59:280:59:33

pharmaceutical innovation and the

Wall Street Journal listed it as one

0:59:330:59:35

of the top ten places to visit on

earth, making it Scotland's coolest

0:59:350:59:41

city. Wouldn't it be great if the

Prime Minister today can finally

0:59:410:59:45

tell the innovative, the creative

and cool people of Dundee and

0:59:450:59:50

surrounding area, what precisely is

the UK Government's date for

0:59:500:59:53

delivering its fair share of the

deal?

I'm sorry, I didn't hear the

0:59:531:00:04

end of it. What is important for the

honourable gentleman, he stands up

1:00:041:00:07

and speaks and waxes lyrically about

his city of Dundee and I was asked

1:00:071:00:14

about the Dundee city of culture

last week and made the point that,

1:00:141:00:19

of course, a number of places across

the UK may put in those bits but on

1:00:191:00:23

the creative industries I'm pleased

to see that element of the day in

1:00:231:00:27

Dundee, as well and tasted the deal

will be an important deal for Dundee

1:00:271:00:34

and the surrounding area is at other

city deals in Scotland have been for

1:00:341:00:37

with those have been agreed.

1:00:371:00:45

Cheltenham general's A&E is hugely

valued by me and my constituents and

1:00:451:00:48

we want to see it preserved and

enhanced. Does my right honourable

1:00:481:00:52

friend agree with me that local NHS

managers must listen very carefully

1:00:521:00:57

to the voices of my constituents and

others in Gloucestershire and ensure

1:00:571:01:02

that any proposals can truly command

local support?

My honourable friend

1:01:021:01:07

raises an important issue, because

we are very clear that proposals

1:01:071:01:10

should be developed at a local level

I local commissions, but taking

1:01:101:01:14

account of and listening to the

views of local residents and

1:01:141:01:20

constituents on those particular

matters. I think it is important

1:01:201:01:24

that local people are heard and can

know that decisions have been taken

1:01:241:01:27

in the light of any concerns they

raise, and I understand any

1:01:271:01:31

proposals for urgent care developed

by the Gloucestershire authority

1:01:311:01:38

will be subject to proper

consultation.

The government will

1:01:381:01:41

today published its first report

detailing progress towards ratifying

1:01:411:01:45

the Istanbul Convention on violence

against women. After five years,

1:01:451:01:49

hopefully today's report signals it

won't have to wait long for

1:01:491:01:53

application. But women suffering

domestic violence don't have the

1:01:531:01:59

luxury of time, so this is why the

Prime Minister is sorting out

1:01:591:02:04

misogyny and harassment in place,

will she ensure that all women have

1:02:041:02:08

somewhere safe to go when fleeing

violence?

I say to the honourable

1:02:081:02:12

gentleman that, over the past few

years, but when I was Home Secretary

1:02:121:02:17

and under the current Home

Secretary, we have taken steps in

1:02:171:02:19

relation to funding in relation to

domestic violence, but that funding

1:02:191:02:24

is ring-fenced over a period of

time, so there can be a greater

1:02:241:02:29

certainty for organisations working

in this area. There is much for us

1:02:291:02:33

to do because, sadly, we still see

domestic violence and abuse taking

1:02:331:02:35

place. One of the other steps we are

taking is to bring in new

1:02:351:02:41

legislation in relation to domestic

violence, which I hope will clarify

1:02:411:02:44

the situation, but we need to

address this across a wide variety

1:02:441:02:47

of action.

How we treat our farmed

animals is an indication of our

1:02:471:02:56

civility as a nation. And we in this

country have a record of which we

1:02:561:03:01

can be rightly proud. Does my right

honourable friend share my concern

1:03:011:03:07

that there have been reports that,

as a result of leaving the European

1:03:071:03:11

Union, there may be a relaxation of

those standards? Can she take this

1:03:111:03:16

opportunity to reassure me that that

is not the case, and that in fact we

1:03:161:03:20

will seize the opportunity to

improve standards and thereby

1:03:201:03:26

enhance the reputation of British

produce?

I can assure my honourable

1:03:261:03:29

friend... First of all, I can agree

with him that we are proud to have

1:03:291:03:33

some of the highest animal welfare

standards in the world, and we want

1:03:331:03:37

to continue to be able to have that

reputation as a country where we

1:03:371:03:42

have those high standards. So

leaving the EU isn't going to change

1:03:421:03:44

that. We remain committed to high

animal welfare standards and, as my

1:03:441:03:49

honourable friend says, that may

give an opportunity to enhance those

1:03:491:03:53

standards, so we can further show

people the reputation this country

1:03:531:03:56

as is somewhere where they can be

safe and secure in the knowledge of

1:03:561:04:01

conditions in which their food has

been prepared.

The Prime Minister

1:04:011:04:06

will be aware that 4 million

children in our country are growing

1:04:061:04:11

up in poverty, and that number has

risen. Two thirds of those children

1:04:111:04:16

are from working families. Does she

still seriously believe that the

1:04:161:04:20

introduction of Universal Credit

will balloon -- will bring that

1:04:201:04:25

number down?

The number of children

in absolute poverty has actually

1:04:251:04:29

come down under this government.

But, of course, we need to be aware

1:04:291:04:35

of the impact of decisions. We are

looking carefully at the

1:04:351:04:41

implementation of Universal Credit,

but I will repeat the point I made

1:04:411:04:44

in response to the question from the

leader of the SNP, which is that the

1:04:441:04:48

point of Universal Credit if it is

more straightforward, a simpler

1:04:481:04:52

system, but also it helps people get

into the workplace and ensures that

1:04:521:04:57

they keep more of the money that

they earn, which I think is

1:04:571:05:00

important.

This government's

industrial strategy makes the

1:05:001:05:09

historic commitment for a fairer

distribution of infrastructure

1:05:091:05:11

spending across the regions, our

roads, railways and digital

1:05:111:05:17

networks, and in advance of the

White Paper, would my honourable

1:05:171:05:20

friend confirm this commitment and

between rebalancing of our economy

1:05:201:05:24

by more investment spending in the

regions, not least in Yorkshire?

My

1:05:241:05:32

honourable friend stands up well for

his county and his constituency on

1:05:321:05:36

this matter, but I am very happy to

confirm to him that we will maintain

1:05:361:05:41

that commitment in our forthcoming

industrial strategy White Paper,

1:05:411:05:44

because we want to see a fairer

distribution of infrastructure

1:05:441:05:47

spending across the country, and we

want that because we know that

1:05:471:05:52

infrastructure investment is

important to unlocking economic

1:05:521:05:55

opportunities and economic growth

and productivity in our towns,

1:05:551:05:58

villages and cities. Of course, we

have backed this with ambitious

1:05:581:06:04

commitments to increase spending on

infrastructure by 50% over the next

1:06:041:06:06

four years, but I can assure him we

will be looking at that spending

1:06:061:06:10

across the whole country.

I'd like

to thank the Prime Minister for her

1:06:101:06:15

opening words about the horrific

revelations this week, but can I say

1:06:151:06:21

to her that, three years ago, I

brought evidence to her in this

1:06:211:06:25

house that whips had used

information about sexual abuse to

1:06:251:06:29

demand loyalty from MPs. I have

brought my information to her in

1:06:291:06:35

this house, and I warned her at the

time that, unless real action was

1:06:351:06:40

taken, we risked repeating those

injustices again today. On three

1:06:401:06:45

occasions, I asked her to act and,

on three occasions, she did not. Can

1:06:451:06:49

I ask her, in this of all weeks, for

the fourth time, will she finally

1:06:491:06:56

take concrete action to tackle this?

I will, of course, look back at the

1:06:561:07:02

questions that the honourable lady

said that she raised with me in this

1:07:021:07:05

house. I issue she raised those with

me when I was Home Secretary. I will

1:07:051:07:10

say to her that I am very clear that

the whips office, and I hope this

1:07:101:07:17

goes for all whips offices across

this house, should make clear to

1:07:171:07:20

people that, where there are any

sexual abuse allegations that could

1:07:201:07:26

be the criminal nature, that people

should go to the police. It isn't

1:07:261:07:29

appropriate for those to be dealt

with by whips offices. Those should

1:07:291:07:33

go to the police. That continues to

be the case. I will look at the

1:07:331:07:37

questions she raised with me, but I

am very clear that we will take

1:07:371:07:40

action against those, where there

are allegations that we see, and the

1:07:401:07:46

evidence is there that there has

been misconduct. Can I just say to

1:07:461:07:52

the honourable lady, I hope we will

all send a message from this house

1:07:521:07:55

today that we want people in this

place to be able to feel confident

1:07:551:08:00

to bring forward cases, and we need

to make sure that those cases... No,

1:08:001:08:08

we need to ensure that those cases

are dealt with in a way that people

1:08:081:08:13

can have confidence on both sides

that they will be properly

1:08:131:08:16

investigated. That means, and I want

to see a good process within this

1:08:161:08:23

parliament, so that people feel they

don't have to go to a party

1:08:231:08:26

political process in order to have

their allegations considered.

My

1:08:261:08:31

constituency of Aldershot is the

home of the British Army. It is home

1:08:311:08:37

to many thousands of service men and

women, are loyal, resolute in stead

1:08:371:08:41

fast in their service to the Crown.

Will my right honourable friend

1:08:411:08:46

agree, when her busy schedule

allows, to visit the Aldershot

1:08:461:08:49

Garrison to meet with service men

and women, and to thank them for

1:08:491:08:53

their service?

Can buy first of all

assure my honourable friend that we

1:08:531:08:58

recognise that the men and women of

our armed services serve with great

1:08:581:09:04

distinction and loyalty, and we are

all grateful to them for the service

1:09:041:09:07

they give this country. That is why

we are committed to maintaining 10%

1:09:071:09:12

of being spent on defence. He kindly

invites me to visit his

1:09:121:09:18

constituency, and I will be happy to

do so, if my diary allows.

A few

1:09:181:09:24

days ago, the Chancellor told the

house that the government could not

1:09:241:09:26

afford to borrow £50 billion to

invest in housing, because of the

1:09:261:09:33

burden on the next generation. The

Communities Secretary says that the

1:09:331:09:36

government must borrow £50 billion

because of the burden on the next

1:09:361:09:42

generation of an affordable. Can she

adjudicate?

I have to say to the

1:09:421:09:51

honourable gentleman, there is no

need to adjudicate on the government

1:09:511:09:53

agrees it is necessary for us to

ensure we are building more homes in

1:09:531:09:57

this country. We have already

announced to enable that. We have

1:09:571:10:00

put a number of proposals before the

house in the White Paper. We were

1:10:001:10:07

pleased to announce the extra £2

billion for affordable housing at

1:10:071:10:10

our party conference, and the extra

£10 billion in the cup to buy

1:10:101:10:14

scheme, which genuinely helps people

get their first foot on the housing

1:10:141:10:17

ladder. More housings is being built

under this element and we will

1:10:171:10:22

continue to see that.

Earlier this

week, in my constituency, I horrific

1:10:221:10:33

farmhouse claimed the lives of a

father and five young children. This

1:10:331:10:36

has had a devastating effect not

just on the family but on the

1:10:361:10:43

community around it. Would my

honourable friend join me and this

1:10:431:10:46

house in sending our sympathies to

the family of the breed and the

1:10:461:10:50

villagers and the town? -- the

family of the reef. That is along

1:10:501:11:02

with the emergency services. -- the

family of the bereaved.

My

1:11:021:11:08

honourable friend has raised what I

know is a tragic case, I'm sure that

1:11:081:11:12

everybody across the house would

want to join with him in sending

1:11:121:11:15

condolences to the family and

friends of those affected by the

1:11:151:11:18

fire. This was a terrible tragedy,

and it isn't just the family

1:11:181:11:23

themselves that have been affected

but the local community as well and

1:11:231:11:27

I know that the emergency services

did sterling work, and I am pleased

1:11:271:11:31

to commend the work that they did

and their bravery and

1:11:311:11:33

professionalism. The Secretary of

State for Wales has spoken to the

1:11:331:11:38

police, and they will remain in

touch over the coming days, but once

1:11:381:11:43

again our emergency services do an

amazing job protecting us, and we

1:11:431:11:46

have seen this in so many instances.

They never know when they are going

1:11:461:11:50

to be called out to such a tragic

incident.

With today's news that the

1:11:501:11:55

Electoral Commission is

investigating Arron Banks, the main

1:11:551:11:59

financial backer of Brexit, along

with the significant British

1:11:591:12:05

connections being uncovered by the

American justice department's

1:12:051:12:11

special council, Robert Muller,

investigating Russian interference

1:12:111:12:15

in the US presidential election,

will she assure me that the UK

1:12:151:12:17

Government and all of its agencies

are cooperating fully with the

1:12:171:12:22

Robert Marlow investigation, or that

they will do so if asked? -- Robert

1:12:221:12:25

Muller.

We take very seriously

issues of Russian intervention or

1:12:251:12:34

attempts to intervene in electoral

processes, or in the democratic

1:12:341:12:36

processes of any country, and we

will do so for any other states

1:12:361:12:42

which were involved in trying to

intervene in elections. We work

1:12:421:12:46

closely with our United States

partners, and I can assure them, as

1:12:461:12:51

part of that relationship, we

cooperate with them when required.

1:12:511:12:54

Last month, I was in the Kurdistan

region of Iraq and I referred

1:12:541:13:00

customer declaration of members

interests, but I saw people's

1:13:001:13:04

enthusiasm for independence and the

fresh dialogue with Baghdad. The

1:13:041:13:12

subsequent statements are wholly

unjust and unacceptable. We'll be

1:13:121:13:16

promised except that Depeche Mode

and the Kurdistan region, to whom we

1:13:161:13:22

owe so much, both for resisting

Daesh and helping keep our own

1:13:221:13:26

streets safe, they remain vital to

our security, and can she do all

1:13:261:13:29

that she can to encourage a

resolution based on full respect for

1:13:291:13:33

the constitution and the democratic

will of the Kurdish people?

We are

1:13:331:13:41

working with international partners

to defeat Daesh together with the

1:13:411:13:44

global coalition. Daesh is losing

territory. The action that has been

1:13:441:13:48

taken is having an impact. It

finances have been hit, its

1:13:481:13:53

leadership are being killed and its

fighters are demoralised, but we

1:13:531:13:56

want to see political reconciliation

in Iraq and a political settlement

1:13:561:14:00

to the Syria conflict to deny Daesh

saves space and prevent

1:14:001:14:05

re-emergence. He raises a particular

point in relation to Iraq and

1:14:051:14:09

Kurdistan. I say to him that we have

always been there as a government

1:14:091:14:13

that any political progress towards

independence should be agreed with

1:14:131:14:17

the government of Iraq. We want to

see political reconciliation in

1:14:171:14:20

Iraq, but we have urged all parties

to promote calm, to pursue dialogue

1:14:201:14:24

and to take this issue forward

through dialogue.

An hour ago, the

1:14:241:14:31

government published this report,

the patronising disposition of

1:14:311:14:35

unaccountable power. It's a report

of Right Reverend James Jones, which

1:14:351:14:38

the Prime Minister herself

commissioned to ensure that the pain

1:14:381:14:42

and suffering of the Hillsborough

families isn't repeated. Given what

1:14:421:14:47

we have heard in this session, and

given the events surrounding the

1:14:471:14:51

Grenfell Tower disaster, I think

that I worry that the pain and

1:14:511:14:56

suffering of the Hillsborough

families is already being repeated.

1:14:561:14:59

So can the Prime Minister commit her

government to supporting both a duty

1:14:591:15:05

of candour for all public officials

and, as this report requires, an end

1:15:051:15:12

to public bodies spending limitless

sums providing themselves with

1:15:121:15:17

representation which surpasses that

available to families?

1:15:171:15:24

Obviously the House will appreciate

that I have to be careful what I say

1:15:241:15:27

immigration to the Hillsborough

issue because of the ongoing

1:15:271:15:29

committal proceedings, but I want to

pay tribute to James Jones.

1:15:291:15:33

Throughout the time his work in

chairing the panel, the work he did

1:15:331:15:38

as my advisor on this issue and

working with the family forums, I

1:15:381:15:42

think he's done an excellent job and

once again his report into the

1:15:421:15:47

experiences of the Hillsborough

families which is being published

1:15:471:15:51

today is important and Government

will need to look very carefully at

1:15:511:15:55

the 25 points of learning which have

come out of it and we will want to

1:15:551:15:58

do so because I've always been very

clear that the experience of the

1:15:581:16:02

Hillsborough families had should not

be repeated. That's why we have

1:16:021:16:07

looked and are committed to the

concept of the Public Advocate

1:16:071:16:11

because we want to ensure that

people have the support that they

1:16:111:16:15

need and it's important that we

learn the lessons from Hillsborough.

1:16:151:16:20

I was involved in making the

decision which enabled the

1:16:201:16:23

Hillsborough families to have legal

support. On a basis I think is fair

1:16:231:16:28

in relation to other parties

involved in that inquest and I can

1:16:281:16:32

assure her that we will not forget

the Hillsborough families who have

1:16:321:16:38

been dignified throughout the many

years but they have been waiting for

1:16:381:16:42

justice. We will not forget them, we

will not forget their experience and

1:16:421:16:46

will ensure we learn from that and

learn from that to improve the

1:16:461:16:49

experience of others in the future.

Can I cheekily make another diary

1:16:491:16:56

suggestion to the Prime Minister? If

she could remain in the chamber for

1:16:561:17:00

just a few moments after questions,

she will hear my right honourable

1:17:001:17:04

friend the Newbury introduce his

Armed Forces statute of limitations

1:17:041:17:10

Bill which will provide protection

to those brave service personnel who

1:17:101:17:15

served in Northern Ireland during

the troubles. Like her, I, and the

1:17:151:17:22

whole House, want to see the setting

up the Northern Ireland executive.

1:17:221:17:26

Would she agree with me, we can't do

that at the price of pandering to

1:17:261:17:32

Sinn Fein and allowing a witchhunt

for those people who served so

1:17:321:17:35

bravely for so many years to uphold

the rule of law?

I'm not sure I'm

1:17:351:17:43

going to be able to satisfy him on

the first point he made but I am

1:17:431:17:46

aware of the proposed legislation my

right honourable friend for Newbury

1:17:461:17:54

is bringing forward. We all want to

see a Northern Ireland executive set

1:17:541:17:59

up, and we recognise that this

question of legacy issues is one

1:17:591:18:03

which has been there throughout

these discussions and continues in

1:18:031:18:07

Northern Ireland. What I want to

ensure is any investigations which

1:18:071:18:11

take place in the future take place

in a fair and proportionate way

1:18:111:18:15

because our soldiers did serve

bravely in upholding the rule of law

1:18:151:18:22

but what is important is we should

never forget all those people who

1:18:221:18:26

lost their lives at the hands of the

terrorists in Northern Ireland and

1:18:261:18:31

it is important that any

investigation is conducted fairly

1:18:311:18:34

and proportionately.

As the Prime

Minister will be aware,

1:18:341:18:44

self-employed people are not

eligible for shared parental leave.

1:18:441:18:47

This place is a burden of childcare

on the mother, denying father 's

1:18:471:18:52

financial support and bonding time

with the child. Has the Prime

1:18:521:18:55

Minister seen the demands of the

march of the mummies? Can she give

1:18:551:19:02

us assurances she has prioritised

this urgent issue?

She raises an

1:19:021:19:09

important issue. I'm happy to look

at the point which has been made but

1:19:091:19:13

I would simply also remind her of

this. The reason we have shared

1:19:131:19:17

parental leave for anybody in this

country is because when I was

1:19:171:19:23

Minister for Women and equality I

had to ensure that shared parental

1:19:231:19:26

leave was introduced.

Thank you. In

my constituency, one of the big

1:19:261:19:38

challenges as we leave the EU is

uncertainty around the seasonal

1:19:381:19:44

migrant workforce. Angus produces

30% of Scotland's soft fruit and

1:19:441:19:48

welcomes over 4000 seasonal workers

every year. Would my right

1:19:481:19:52

honourable friend agree that we need

clarity on the new migration free

1:19:521:19:56

work for the benefit of his loyal

workers, for the prosperity of the

1:19:561:20:01

British soft fruit industry and to

support as our overall UK economy?

1:20:011:20:08

She raises an important point about

the importance of supporting the

1:20:081:20:11

ruble economy across the UK. In

relation to the seasonal alb and

1:20:111:20:17

cultural workers scheme she has

referred to, obviously as we leave

1:20:171:20:21

the EU we will bring forward new

immigration rules which will enable

1:20:211:20:25

us to have that control we haven't

had in the past for those coming

1:20:251:20:29

from the European Union but we are

recognising we need to do that in

1:20:291:20:33

the national interest, look at the

labour market and that's why the

1:20:331:20:38

Home Secretary has commissioned the

independent migration advisory

1:20:381:20:41

committee to look at the needs of

the UK labour market and to further

1:20:411:20:47

inform us to bring those rules in.

Order.

1:20:471:20:51

Prime Minister's Questions finally

coming to an end, another record. It

1:20:581:21:02

began with Mr Corbyn saying that he

would be prepared to meet with the

1:21:021:21:08

Prime Minister to try and get a

general approach to dealing with

1:21:081:21:10

sexual harassment and more serious

matters in the palace of Westminster

1:21:101:21:16

and the political parties, and Lisa

Nandy asked an interesting question

1:21:161:21:21

of the Prime Minister, saying that

she had raised some issues of the

1:21:211:21:28

whips using sexual misbehaviour to

ensure compliance. Mr Corbyn

1:21:281:21:34

surprised us all, because he went on

business jets, private jets, I think

1:21:341:21:40

he was talking about. 950 of them on

the Isle of Man, which would seem

1:21:401:21:44

quite a lot for a small island, but

apparently it's a way that the jets

1:21:441:21:49

are bought that way to avoid VAT,

and so Mr Corbyn went in general on

1:21:491:21:54

tax avoidance and evasion issues for

all of the questions that he went

1:21:541:21:58

through. Although it surprised us, I

think it's based on the fact there

1:21:581:22:06

has been another leak, like the

Panama Papers, we don't know if it's

1:22:061:22:09

as big as that, this time based in

Bermuda, a British Crown dependency,

1:22:091:22:14

I think is what we call it, and the

details of what are in this league

1:22:141:22:18

are coming out this weekend,

including an Panorama.

1:22:181:22:22

There have been various stories

about a company called Appleby, a

1:22:221:22:27

data leak about business, of what's

been going on in terms of Bermuda.

1:22:271:22:32

There's been reporting on the Isle

of Man and some pick-up in the

1:22:321:22:36

British press about this particular

scheme over whether people have been

1:22:361:22:39

using the purchase of business jets

as basically expensive ways of

1:22:391:22:44

avoiding having to pay VAT. Not very

much information about this in the

1:22:441:22:49

public domain yet, it's not clear to

me whether or not Jeremy Corbyn was

1:22:491:22:52

picking up on this because he knows

something the rest of us don't, or

1:22:521:22:56

indeed it was over the fact that

yesterday and I think it's more

1:22:561:22:59

likely, yesterday in the House of

Commons labour tried to put down

1:22:591:23:02

amendments to the Finance Bill which

was finally in its final stages,

1:23:021:23:06

including an amendment from a

prominent Labour backbencher, trying

1:23:061:23:10

to crack down on this particular

loophole and the Government did not

1:23:101:23:14

accept that so this is absolutely

home turf for Jeremy Corbyn, the

1:23:141:23:20

kind of issue he's passionate about.

And I think basically it was an

1:23:201:23:25

opportunity for him to have a go at

the gamut on this issue.

1:23:251:23:30

Unfortunately, in terms of PMQs, it

turned into a tit-for-tat, you voted

1:23:301:23:33

against this a couple of years ago,

but we will see whether or not he's

1:23:331:23:39

got more information.

What would you

say to Jeremy Corbyn but not doing

1:23:391:23:44

enough on tax avoidance?

He's not

looking at the measure which

1:23:441:23:47

determines how much you are doing,

the tax gap, so there's a

1:23:471:23:51

calculation about how much we should

theoretically be collecting against

1:23:511:23:54

what we are collecting, and the gap

has narrowed by 25% since 2010 and

1:23:541:23:59

we now have the lowest tax gap in

the world so of course there's more

1:23:591:24:03

to be done, but for him to suggest

nothing is being done, he's

1:24:031:24:08

completely ignoring the fact we have

completely focused on reducing the

1:24:081:24:12

tax gap and we continue to do so.

The Prime Minister said the

1:24:121:24:16

Government collected next £160

billion because of enhanced

1:24:161:24:21

compliance since 2010. And the tax

gap had gotten narrower and narrower

1:24:211:24:28

and much lower than under Labour so

what you think of that?

Well, my

1:24:281:24:35

response is quite simply we have to

push on further. Labour raised more

1:24:351:24:41

taxes through closing loopholes but

what we want to do is move on

1:24:411:24:48

further than that and that's what we

were trying to do in the Finance

1:24:481:24:51

Bill which has been with us since

March, trying to the gunmen to close

1:24:511:24:54

even more tax loopholes.

But you

voted against doing this.

No, that's

1:24:541:25:01

not true. The bill came to us before

the election, the Government called

1:25:011:25:07

election, they cut short the process

for scrutiny, so it goes into the

1:25:071:25:12

system of what goes through and not.

If we had passed those amendments,

1:25:121:25:19

that law...

I'm going to interrupt

you because Lisa Nandi, Labour MP,

1:25:191:25:27

she had one of the standard

questions in PMQs about using

1:25:271:25:33

scandal to control MPs' behaviour.

What was the background to your

1:25:331:25:40

question? Explain what it was you

were getting at.

Three years ago

1:25:401:25:44

when Theresa May was Home Secretary,

I came to the House to raise with

1:25:441:25:47

her serious concerns I had about the

way in which the whips office

1:25:471:25:52

operated in the past. And wanted

those same practices may persist now

1:25:521:25:59

if left tackles a full stomach came

about because I had seen the

1:25:591:26:02

documentary where a former Tory whip

had given an interview where he

1:26:021:26:08

talked about covering up in

discussions in total black book

1:26:081:26:14

which was then used to demand

loyalty from Tory MPs. In that same

1:26:141:26:19

interview, the former Home Secretary

had also made similar comments about

1:26:191:26:24

the existence of these platforms.

That was back in the 1970s. Is at

1:26:241:26:29

your indication that are still going

on?

Unless Theresa May gave the

1:26:291:26:38

child abuse enquiry she established

the power to demand these papers, we

1:26:381:26:42

would not be able to discover what

had led to that situation being able

1:26:421:26:47

to persist for so long, and we would

not be able to learn lessons for the

1:26:471:26:51

future to make sure we didn't repeat

these practices in the present-day.

1:26:511:26:56

In the end, sexual assault is about

power. It's not just about sex. It's

1:26:561:27:03

about power and bullying and secrecy

and creating an environment in which

1:27:031:27:08

it is allowed to persist. The

question I asked of Theresa May

1:27:081:27:11

three times, three years ago, would

she act to make sure those papers

1:27:111:27:17

were disclosed and real action was

taken? She didn't do anything about

1:27:171:27:21

it at the time but I hope she will

do something now.

Thank you for

1:27:211:27:24

coming straight from the chamber to

speak to us. You have been in the

1:27:241:27:28

whips office more recently.

Lisa was

in opposition as a web at the time.

1:27:281:27:35

You said they don't do that any

more.

This may or may not relate to

1:27:351:27:40

practices in the 1970s, well before

our time in politics but I can

1:27:401:27:46

assure everybody there is no little

black book and any allegation...

Not

1:27:461:27:51

even virtually?

We have

spreadsheets.

That could be just as

1:27:511:27:58

bad.

Any criminal allegations and

impropriety are taken straight to

1:27:581:28:04

the place and I hope the Shadow

whips office where Lisa works, I

1:28:041:28:07

would hope the same thing applies.

It was clear in the past that was

1:28:071:28:11

not the case. We will find out soon

if it will be.

1:28:111:28:17

There's just time to put you out

of your misery and give

1:28:171:28:20

you the answer to Guess The Year.

1:28:201:28:22

The year was...

1:28:221:28:23

1982.

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Let's find the winner.

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The winner is John

Timson from Romford.

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He's won the coveted mug.

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That's all for today.

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The One O'Clock News is starting

over on BBC One now.

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Plenty to report there.

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Jo and will be here at noon tomorrow

with all the big political stories

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of the day.

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I will be back tomorrow night.

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I will be back tomorrow night.

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Do join us if you can.

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Bye bye.

1:28:561:28:58

Andrew Neil is joined by climate change minister Claire Perry and shadow chief secretary Peter Dowd for Prime Minister's Questions. Plus, the latest on harassment allegations at Westminster and Brexit.

The Guess the Year Competition closes at 12.30pm during the live broadcast of this programme.


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