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Good morning.

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Welcome to the Daily Politics.

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They've been branded

mutineers this morning.

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Tory rebels kept their powder dry

in the Commons last night,

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but is this just mutiny postponed?

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Jacob Rees-Mogg doesn't want to stop

the Brexit ship sailing

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but does he want to throw

the Chancellor overboard?

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We'll talk to him live.

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Tens of thousands of messages

were posted by Russian-based Twitter

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accounts during the referendum

campaign, mostly backing Brexit.

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So was it Putin wot won it?

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Jeremy Corbyn says he won't punish

Labour MP Emma Dent Coad

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after it was revealed she called

a black Conservative candidate

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a "token ghetto boy".

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Was the language she used

acceptable?

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All that coming up and, of course,

Prime Minister's Questions -

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live and uninterrupted at midday.

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And it's Hancock's hour

and a half -

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Digital Minister

Matt Hancock, that is.

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And to complete the comic duo,

the Shadow Brexit Minister,

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Labour's Jenny Chapman.

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So, the Government saw off

several attempts to change

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the EU Withdrawal Bill

in the Commons last night.

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But it was just the first of eight

days of debate in the House

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of Commons and, with discontent

palpable among some on all sides

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of the Chamber, and with MPs having

tabled more than 470 amendments,

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Theresa May knows

there is trouble ahead.

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Emma, talk us through it.

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With the DUP, Theresa May

has a working majority

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of 13, but on Brexit,

where she should be able to rely

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on pro-Brexit Labour MPs,

that rises to almost 25.

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But it's reported up to 15 Tories

could defy the Government,

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enough to wipe out

that Brexit majority.

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They were pictured

on the front page of today's

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Daily Telegraph, which called them

"the Brexit mutineers".

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Late in the Commons last

night, Anna Soubry,

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one of those named in the paper's

splash, said it was a "blatant

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piece of bullying that goes

to the very heart of democracy".

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And Heidi Allen said

if fighting for the future

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of the country meant

mutiny then bring it on.

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The potential rebels

are particularly angry about

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the so-called "date amendment".

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It was announced with great fanfare

by Theresa May last Friday,

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also in the Daily Telegraph.

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On Monday, another of

the potential rebels,

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Nicky Morgan, told us that article

was "tin-eared" and "tone-deaf",

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and likely to increase division

in the Conservative Party.

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Yesterday, veteran

pro-EU Conservative MP

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Ken Clarke said the date

amendment was unnecessary.

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There are some very, very serious

issues to be settled in this

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Bill and I ask the Government

to reconsider silly amendments

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thrown out because they got a good

article in the Daily Telegraph,

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which actually might do harm...

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CHEERS AND JEERS

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Tory MP, Ken Clarke. Matt Hancock,

what is the logic of putting down

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this amendment fixing the date of

Brexit?

We have made a decision over

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when we are going to leave, it is a

consequence of triggering Article 50

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and the fact that there is two years

and it's funny, though - often in

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taking a Bill through the Commons,

you get criticised for not putting

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enough on the face of the bill.

We

knew we were going to leave in March

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2019. Why put down an amendment

fixing the date of Brexit on this

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bill with a time?

Because, as you

say, that's what is going to happen.

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You didn't need to put it in the

bill

People called for more

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certainty and asked for more to be

put on the face of the bill and less

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to be put in regulation and this has

changed the way that we are doing

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this from the date being in

regulation, to the date being on the

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face of the bill, and that's because

that's the decision and ultimately,

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frankly, it was the decision,

obviously as a result of a

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referendum and then from the date of

triggering Article 50.

Right but as

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you say when we triggered Article

50, we knew what the timetable would

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be. It's clear. It is two years'

later, March 2019. If it was so

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important, why wasn't the date fixed

in the bill in the first place.

The

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bill as it was drafted put a lot of

things in regulation, actually one

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of the criticisms of the bill was it

put too much into regulation, I

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reject that. I think it was

reasonable that as much as is

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necessary to go through regulations

will. But, one of the things we

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know, for sure now, is the date of

leaving, so put it on the face of

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the bill. Perfectly reasonable.

We

always knew that date, it is as if

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you forgot about it. Dominic Grieve,

seemingly fairly accommodating in

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your party, said it was mad. Ken

Clarke calls it ridiculous and says

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it could I willeniate people on your

side. Is it wise to do that when

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your majority is so small?

Ken voted

against triggering Article 50, but

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if you voted to trigger Article 50,

as I did and as the vast majority of

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MPs did, then that leads to the date

being set and since the date is

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agreed, it's perfectly reasonable to

legislate for that.

Right. Because

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it's been agreed, why was it

necessary for the Prime Minister to

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write an article which threatened

people who she said would try and

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block this bill going through?

Everybody who signed up to Article

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50 knew the date would be March

2019. So I say again - why have you

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unnecessarily alienated so many of

your own side?

Well, I don't think

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that's right.

You don't think they

are alienated?

If you voted for

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Article 50, it is a consequence of

that, that you are in favour of

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leaving the European Union by that

date. Now we've said and we have put

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it into the legislation, we will

leave on that date. So having taken

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that decision, it's reasonable to

put it into legislation. And the

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bigger picture is this - you know,

this bill is incredibly important

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for making sure that we leave in a

sensible and orderly way, alongside

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getting a good deal.

So you've

committed an own goal basically

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haven't you? Nicky Morgan called the

article tineared and tone deaf on

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this programme. You really have

achieved healing the divisions

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within your own party?

I think

people - if you vote for Article 50,

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most people did that, the vast

majority of MPs did that and the

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reason we did that is because we

accept the result of the referendum.

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No matter how you voted.

But that

doesn't answer the question of why

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you then had to fix a date a time,

11pm on 29th March, unless you were

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going to be provocative or was it

about apiecing Brexiteers and the

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skrurpt willings. -- and

eurosceptics.

No we are leaving the

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European Union, it sets out the

moment we leave. We were going to

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have to do it at some point. Once

you have done it and set it it is

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good practice to put it into the

primary legislation, I think it is

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reasonable.

Do you think you will

have to abandon the amendment in the

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end?

No, I think we're going to vote

for it.

Do you think in the end you

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will have to step down because you

won't be able to persuade people

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like Dominic Grieve...

I'm not going

to step down.

Step down the

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amendment? Withdraw it?

No, the

important thing here is that we are

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leaving the European Union, we have

got to do that at a particular

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moment. Whether you do it in -

whether you make that into statute

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in secondary legislation or

primary...

You have made that clear,

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but will this amendment, setting the

date, fixing the time and date of

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Brexit make it on to the statute

book?

I think so, yeah.

Even with

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the number of Tory MPs who are

saying they will not vote for T

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Dominic Grieve, who I say is a

fairly reasonable person in the

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negotiations within the Tory Party,

has said he will not vote for it and

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then you will face defeat if enough

Tory MPs vote against it.

Listened

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to Dominic Grieve's speech yesterday

and the fact of the matter is that

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we've got to leave the European

Union, and whether it is in

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secondary or primary legislation is

less important than the fact that a

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decision has now been taken as to

when we're going to leave and...

But

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it is about whether you are going to

be defeated on 24 amendment which

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was a self-inflicted, if you like,

injury and wound to your own side

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which wasn't necessary because as

you keep saying - we know when we

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are going to leave

But if you know

when you are going to leave, it is

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perfectly reasonable to legislate on

that basis. I don't understand the

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premise of your question, which is -

why are you putting into legislation

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that which is going to happen?

OK

Because we have decided it is going

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to happen, therefore it is perfectly

reasonable to legislate for it and

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the broader, the bill as a whole is

all about making sure that we can

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have an orderly exit from the EU.

That's why it is such an important

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piece of legislation.

Jenny Chapman,

what's wrong with putting a time and

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date a buffer, if you like, so that

people know - we are going to leave?

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I voted to trigger Article 50. My

constituents voted to leave. I voted

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for Article 50 in the knowledge that

we would be leaving in March 2019. I

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don't need a clause in the bill to

make that clear to me. I think most

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people see this for what it is,

which is just a political stunt to

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try and make the Prime Minister seem

as if she has a backbone and she is

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being clear and leading and she's

absolutely definitely in charge of

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this process. When you do this sort

of thing, which is so transparently

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a gimmick, it always backfires.

Because we - I'm sure when they

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dreamt up this rus he can they

thought, brilliant, this is going to

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make the Prime Minister look hard

and it'll be a trap for the Labour

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Party. But we are beyond all that

with Brexit. We are way beyond

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playing games with it. It is about

doing the right thing for the

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country. What this clause does - for

a start you don't need it but also,

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as David Davis has said, the

negotiations may go to the wire. Now

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that wouldn't be unusual. It is

something that many people

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reluctantly accept may happen. If

that happens, why do you need to

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have a time to the minute for this -

for our exit?

Because a lot of

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people will not trust that you will

actually do what what you will say

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you are going to do, and that is

leave.

You may need a if you more

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hours or days to get it right. What

everybody sensible seems to agree s

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that a cliff edge and no-deal is a

desirable outcome. So putting this

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in the bill is unnecessary, it is a

gimmick and actually could be

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damaging.

But actually Theresa May

will win this amendment if a lot of

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your MPs back the Government come

what may?

Well they don't seem

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confident at the moment, do they?

How many of your MPs will back the

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Government, do you think? How many

of the Labour Leave MPs will back

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the Government?

You may get five or

six. You may get five or six.

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There's 15 Tory MPs, serious,

credible people who are leaders in

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the Conservative Party very

well-established people, who have,

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you know Parliamentlies listens to

these people. If you were in the

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debate yesterday you will have seen

Parliament listening carefully to

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what some of those individuals have

to say. And take them incredibly

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seriously.

Come back to you on that.

You aring, potentially defeat in the

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face as a result of an unnecessary

clause and amendment. You will have

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to rely own Labour Levers in order

to win?

Jenny put the point,

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actually explained well, it is

perfectly reasonable to put this in

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the bill...

It is a game.

It is not.

Once a decision has been taken to

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make something happen at a

particular moment, then it is

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perfectly reasonable to legislate

for it.

All right

And then the

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negotiations, of course, have to

deliver by that date. Otherwise, it

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can just go on and on.

It is a game.

A pathetic one. It is backfiring.

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I'm sure the Government regrets it

already.

If you are in favour of

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leaving on a certain date, as you

are, because you voted for Article

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50. What's wrong with legislating

for what you agreed?

It is not

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necessary. And unnecessarily

damaging our bargaining ability at

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the end of this process. That is a

fact, Matthew. What you are doing is

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a political game. You have been

found out and the Government is

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going to end up, somehow, having it

of save face and back off.

It is

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just bizarre that Jenny says she is

in favour of something but doesn't

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want toll legislate for it. I don't

need a law to tell me about it.

Can

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you guarantee the Government will

not back down on this amendment?

I

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think we're going to win the vote?

How?

Well, with the help from people

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from across the House including some

of your colleagues.

You can

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guarantee it'll not be withdrawn?

I

think we're going to win the vote.

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Let's leave it there.

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Now, The Times newspaper

is reporting this morning that

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Russian Twitter accounts blitzed

the web with 48,000 Brexit-related

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messages over just two days

during the referendum

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campaign last year.

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Earlier this week, it was revealed

how Russian agitprop attempted

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to exploit the Westminster terror

attack, when the user

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@SouthLoneStar, posing as "proud

Texan and American patriot",

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posted this image with the line,

"Muslim woman casually

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walks by a dying man.

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#BanIslam".

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On Monday night, the Prime Minister

surprised many by openly accusing

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the Russians of mounting

"a sustained campaign

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of cyber-espionage and disruption",

including "meddling in elections"

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and "deploying its state-run media

organisations to plant fake stories

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and Photoshopped images

in an attempt to sow

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discord in the West

and undermine our institutions."

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Can you give me examples of which

elections the Russians have directly

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interfered in?

I know this sounds

like not answering the question...

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Well, that would be a change!

It's

hard to go further than the Prime

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Minister went on Monday.

Stuart

along way, she said espionage,

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meddling in elections and weapon

rising information, so which

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elections is the Prime Minister

talking about when she says the

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Russians have meddled?

She was clear

that we know this is happening, we

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are not going to let it succeed, we

are working with the tech

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organisations to make sure that it

doesn't, and we will say more when

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we are ready to. It's a very serious

matter.

If it's that serious and you

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say you're going to stop it, which

elections has the Kremlin in

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deferred in?

I'm not going to go

further than what the Prime Minister

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said. -- interfered in.

Why not?

I

think it's important not to go

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further than that because getting

this right is vitally important,

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because you've got to have the

grounds and the bases for a debate.

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This morning, the head of the

national cyber security centre is

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set out more details, and we will,

of course, explain what we find as

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and when we are ready to.

So you

haven't actually found any evidence

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yet, that's why you can't told me.

That's not true. Don't put words

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into my mouth. It's important that

we get this right. The Prime

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Minister has made clear that we are

aware of this issue, we know what

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the Russians are doing and we won't

let it stand. As and when we are

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ready to say more and take further

action...

What are they doing then?

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Can you say what they are doing? If

it is as serious as the Prime

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Minister says and as you seem to be

implying, did they affect the

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outcome of elections that you won't

tell me?

If you take the referendum

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and the recent election, the number

of votes cast in those elections

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were very, very significant, and so

I think that you've got to be

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careful to draw a direct causal

link, and anyway, it's impossible to

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know exactly why each person voted

as they did. But what we've got to

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make sure is that the political

discourse in the run-up to an

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election is of high quality, as high

a quality as possible. Elections are

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always robust events, but that the

discussion is high quality and,

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crucially, when people are saying

something, we know who it is that is

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saying it.

So how are you going to

combat this Russian meddling in

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elections?

The first port of call is

to make sure we are conspiracy over

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who is saying what.

How are you

going to do that? You are the

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digital minister but you will not

tell me which elections have been

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affected, although Theresa May says

there has been espionage and

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meddling in British elections, and

weapon rising information. You say

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more transparency will stop it?

Making sure that, when a tweet comes

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from somewhere, you know where it's

from. The authentication take, for

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example.

But you can't stop them

doing it, can you?

It's a difficult

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area to get right. By the nature of

these platforms, somebody puts up a

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tweet and it's immediately published

to everybody that wants. One of the

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reasons I'm being careful in my

language, and I am glad you

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understand why I can't go further,

is that getting the answers right to

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this in a way that is reasonable,

that supports high-quality political

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discussion, is really difficult.

I

don't know why you can't go further,

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because the Prime Minister has gone

further and was very strong in the

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attack on Russia. Let me come to

you, Jenny Chapman. How much of a

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threat does Mr Corbyn C from Russia?

I support what the government is

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trying to do here, in that they are

flagging something that they think

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maybe a Russian influence on our

democracy, and obviously we've had

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debates around what's been happening

in the state as well.

How much

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effect does the Labour leader seen

from Russia?

Honesty, we don't know

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because we don't know what's been

happening. As Matt quite rightly as

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saying, it's wrong for us to say

that there's been an outcome that

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has been determined by influences

from other countries when we don't

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actually know. I wonder whether the

Prime Minister's timing in all of

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this was a rug making the appear

tough and that she's going to stand

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up this country against interference

from Russia, how genuine the concern

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is and whether it is to the level

that seemed to be implied by her

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comments.

You think that her concern

is confected?

I wonder whether, to a

0:19:190:19:24

point, it may be.

0:19:240:19:26

Now she's only been

an MP since June -

0:19:260:19:28

the surprise Labour winner

in the London constituency

0:19:280:19:30

of Kensington.

0:19:300:19:31

Emma Dent Coad rose to prominence

after the Grenfell Tower fire

0:19:310:19:34

in her constituency.

0:19:340:19:35

But now Ms Dent Coad has

been accused of racism,

0:19:350:19:37

after the Guido Fawkes blog dug up

a blogpost she wrote about black

0:19:370:19:40

Conservative parliamentary candidate

Shaun Bailey back in April 2010.

0:19:400:19:42

She wrote:

0:19:420:19:44

"One day he is the 'token ghetto

boy' standing behind D Cameron,

0:19:440:19:47

the next 'looking interested'

beside G Osborne.

0:19:470:19:50

Ever felt used?"

0:19:500:19:52

Now we did invite Emma Dent Coad

0:19:520:19:54

on the programme today -

she didn't respond to our request -

0:19:540:19:57

but talking to BBC London radio last

night, she said she was just quoting

0:19:570:20:00

Shaun Bailey's own words

and apologised for any offence

0:20:000:20:02

she might have caused him.

0:20:020:20:05

You've just repeated

the phrase countless times.

0:20:050:20:08

Am I now going to criticise

you for quoting something that I've

0:20:080:20:10

quoted that somebody else said?

0:20:100:20:12

This is getting slightly ridiculous.

0:20:120:20:13

We're talking about...

0:20:130:20:14

I notice you're not apologising.

0:20:140:20:15

Do you want to apologise?

0:20:150:20:16

What, for quoting what

somebody else had said?

0:20:160:20:18

Yes.

0:20:180:20:19

If you've offended him,

if if he feels it's racist,

0:20:190:20:22

if he says even the BNP have never

called him anything so vile

0:20:220:20:25

and he doesn't recognise it

as being somebody else's comments

0:20:250:20:27

but your comments.

0:20:270:20:28

If he feels offended by it, of

course I apologise, of course, I do.

0:20:280:20:32

If somebody actually read the blog,

they would see I was quoting

0:20:320:20:34

other people's sources,

what people were saying at the time.

0:20:340:20:44

Well, Emma Dent Coad said she was

quoting Shaun Bailey himself, but he

0:20:440:20:49

didn't use the words token ghetto

boy. Is it an acceptable phrase to

0:20:490:20:54

use?

No, it's unacceptable, and I

think that MS sees that and she's

0:20:540:20:59

apologised, and I'm glad that she

has. Wedge she was pushing back hard

0:20:590:21:04

saying, if she is offended.

I mean,

why wouldn't he be offended? Then

0:21:040:21:08

she said she'd apologise. As she

behaved properly?

You are right and

0:21:080:21:15

she should apologise. My

understanding is that she had

0:21:150:21:18

apologised in addition to the clip

that you just showed, and I think

0:21:180:21:22

that is right. I don't know the

context around why on earth she felt

0:21:220:21:26

that she could say what she did say,

but it is clearly unacceptable

0:21:260:21:31

language.

I have read the blog post

and the context is that it gives the

0:21:310:21:36

impression that black people voting

Conservative are traitors to their

0:21:360:21:39

race. Is that acceptable?

Of course

it's not.

Is it racist?

I'd need to

0:21:390:21:47

read it.

Is token ghetto boy a

racist phrase?

I think it probably

0:21:470:21:54

is. I think she's right apologise.

She has apologise. I don't know

0:21:540:21:59

whether that apology has been

accepted, but I think, you know, to

0:21:590:22:03

say you are sorry and that you

understand why something, why you

0:22:030:22:09

have caused offence to somebody,

that's the right thing to do in this

0:22:090:22:11

situation.

Is it right for Jeremy

Corbyn, and you have admitted that

0:22:110:22:16

you think it is racist and it wasn't

acceptable, so why hasn't Jeremy

0:22:160:22:22

Corbyn suspended her?

You'd need to

ask Jeremy about that and to speak

0:22:220:22:25

to Emma.

Should he suspend her?

Should she lose the whip?

She's

0:22:250:22:33

apologised and, as far as I'm

concerned, that apology is accepted

0:22:330:22:37

and she's shown she understands why

this is such a problem, then think

0:22:370:22:40

the right thing to do, rather than

punish somebody, is to be pleased

0:22:400:22:44

that they now understand and have

been reflected in that language will

0:22:440:22:47

not be used again for the

let's look

at something else that she posted,

0:22:470:22:52

Emma Dent Coad, and this was also on

a blog post around the same time,

0:22:520:22:57

and it is the Conservative Party

logo, the tree, with a doodle in

0:22:570:23:00

front of it of a hangman. Do you

think that is acceptable?

It's not.

0:23:000:23:08

I've never seen that before. I don't

think that is in any way acceptable.

0:23:080:23:13

So should she lose the whip?

It's

not for me to say first that up to

0:23:130:23:19

Jeremy and he will probably be

taking advice on that. I don't want

0:23:190:23:22

to pre-empt what he may or may not

do, but it's not acceptable in any

0:23:220:23:27

way, shape or form and I don't

understand why she felt the need to

0:23:270:23:31

do that. She'd have to account for

herself.

Jeremy Corbyn says he will

0:23:310:23:36

make chocolate people discuss the

use of language with people and

0:23:360:23:38

he'll remind people that they

shouldn't use that language. --

0:23:380:23:44

Jeremy Corbyn says he will make sure

that people discuss the use of

0:23:440:23:47

language.

He will no doubt be

thinking this through and reflecting

0:23:470:23:52

on the information that has come

forward. I don't know whether Jeremy

0:23:520:23:56

is seen that sketch, but I think in

these circumstances it probably

0:23:560:23:59

isn't helpful for me to sit here and

to make a sanction on the spot when

0:23:590:24:03

I had only just shown it.

But you

yes.

Hit me show you this, the Tory

0:24:030:24:12

run council in Kensington and

Chelsea have sent out leaflets

0:24:120:24:17

asking them to rate from one to ten

how important that how the families

0:24:170:24:23

from Grenfell Tower are treated is

to them for what should council have

0:24:230:24:25

sent out such a survey?

I think they

were trying to understand an opinion

0:24:250:24:32

but to compare Bis completely wrong.

What am I comparing it to? I'm just

0:24:320:24:38

talking about Kensington and

Chelsea, and that is completely

0:24:380:24:40

different. They have out leaflets to

residents asking them to rate how

0:24:400:24:45

important that disaster is. What

would be the point of that?

They are

0:24:450:24:50

clearly trying to understand and

deal with the consequences of this

0:24:500:24:55

terrible tragedy at Grenfell.

From

zero to ten?

It's the standard way

0:24:550:25:00

of doing things, but it's clearly

been done in a clumsy way. I haven't

0:25:000:25:03

seen that image of the tree before,

and it makes me feel sick to the

0:25:030:25:08

stomach.

I have spoken to Jenny

Chapman about that and we are now

0:25:080:25:12

going to talk about this leaflet. Is

it really credible that people might

0:25:120:25:15

put zero down in terms of their

concern or importance of the

0:25:150:25:20

Grenfell Grenfell fire?

I don't

think it is.

So white sent out the

0:25:200:25:26

survey?

B zero to ten thing is a

standard way of surveying, but I'm

0:25:260:25:33

not looking to quantify it.

How

would you describe it?

I would put

0:25:330:25:40

it at ten.

0:25:400:25:41

Now, are those late

night Commons sittings

0:25:410:25:43

taking their toll on MPs?

0:25:430:25:44

In the Chamber yesterday,

the Chairman of the Brexit

0:25:440:25:46

Select Committee -

Hilary Benn - attempted to compare

0:25:460:25:48

the Brexit negotiations

to the process of buying a house.

0:25:480:25:51

But his Labour colleague Frank Field

- who campaigned for Brexit -

0:25:510:25:54

suggested that buying a house

wasn't something Mr Benn,

0:25:540:25:57

whose father Tony was the second

Viscount Stansgate,

0:25:570:26:00

had ever experienced.

0:26:000:26:04

I've always bought my houses

and never inherited them.

0:26:040:26:08

LAUGHTER.

0:26:080:26:13

I bought mine, too.

0:26:130:26:15

SPEECH DROWNED OUT BY HUBBUB.

0:26:150:26:19

Mr Chairman, I've been corrected

and I withdraw it, of course I do.

0:26:190:26:30

But the idea that we...

0:26:300:26:37

That the biggest decisions

in our lives, like buying

0:26:370:26:40

a house, we take the most time over

is not borne out by any research

0:26:400:26:44

whatsoever.

0:26:440:26:46

Can I now conclude...

0:26:460:26:49

I seriously apologise

to you on that point.

0:26:490:26:59

Harmony on all sides, and David

Lammy pars face was a picture.

0:27:000:27:04

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0:27:040:27:07

to his Labour colleague Hilary Benn,

may we offer some humble advice.

0:27:070:27:10

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It's coming up to midday here -

just take a look at Big Ben -

0:29:080:29:14

and that can mean only one thing.

0:29:140:29:16

Yes, Prime Minister's

Questions is on its way.

0:29:160:29:19

And that's not all -

Laura Kuenssberg is here.

0:29:190:29:26

Welcome back to the programme. What

do you think Jeremy Corbyn is going

0:29:260:29:31

to talk about? Surely Brexit is

slightly off the agenda for both

0:29:310:29:36

sides.

Brexit is difficult for both

sides, no question, so I think he

0:29:360:29:41

probably won't go there. But that's

what's been dominating the Commons

0:29:410:29:44

this morning, and all the chat is

about the front page of the

0:29:440:29:48

Telegraph, which I'm sure you have

discussed, but the mutineers or

0:29:480:29:57

scrutineers are cock-a-hoop of the

coverage, not least because of the

0:29:570:30:00

happy faces on the front page, and

some of them are joking about

0:30:000:30:03

whether they should buy pirate hat

and put them on when the key votes

0:30:030:30:06

come up. I don't think it's clear

what Jeremy Corbyn will go on. He

0:30:060:30:11

has been talking a lot about

education this week. Universal

0:30:110:30:14

Credit is high up on the list of

concerns, and we haven't talked

0:30:140:30:17

about it much but it's the budget

next week, and we expect movement on

0:30:170:30:22

Universal Credit, so that could be

where he goes today.

Unemployment

0:30:220:30:27

figures have come out today, and we

never get a chance to talk about

0:30:270:30:29

them, but they have come down.

They

have, but in an usual thing has

0:30:290:30:36

happened, so employment has also

fallen, the total number of people

0:30:360:30:39

in work, but unemployed has also

gone down.

0:30:390:30:40

I'm sure all members in the house

will like to enjoy me in congrate

0:30:490:31:00

lating Her Majesty the Queen and

Prince Phillip on their plait yum

0:31:000:31:03

wedding anniversary coming up. I

know the whole House would wish to

0:31:030:31:07

offer them our very best wishes on

this special occasion. This morning

0:31:070:31:12

I had meetings with ministerial

colleagues and others and in

0:31:120:31:15

addition to my duties in this House

I shall have further meetings today.

0:31:150:31:19

Thank you, Mr Speaker, my right

honourable friend's stewardship of

0:31:190:31:24

the economy and her predecessor's

excel epted work in making sure this

0:31:240:31:27

economy grows, has seen confidence

in our country grow, despright the

0:31:270:31:33

troubles and tribulations set before

-- despite the troubles. Our debt

0:31:330:31:39

has come down. Will she take this

opportunity to spref in our economy

0:31:390:31:43

even more than she is already and

perhaps even take the chance to

0:31:430:31:46

build more homes?

My honourable

friend makes a very important point

0:31:460:31:54

about investing in infrastructure.

He refers to housing particularly.

0:31:540:31:58

But we are doing exactly that. That

is why we have seen over a quarter

0:31:580:32:04

of a trillion pounds in

infrastructure spending since 2010

0:32:040:32:11

and putting in another £22 billion

from central Government or economic

0:32:110:32:16

infrastructure. We are seeing the

rail projects and biggest

0:32:160:32:19

road-building programme ever for a

generation that this country, this

0:32:190:32:23

Government building a country fit

for the future. THE SPEAKER:

Jeremy

0:32:230:32:28

Corbyn

Thank you, Mr Speaker, I join

the Prime Minister in wishing Her

0:32:280:32:33

Majesty and Prince I will if I a

happy Platinum wedding anniversary

0:32:330:32:38

-- Prince Phillip. The thoughts of

the whole house will be to the

0:32:380:32:42

victims of the devastating

earthquake that hit Iraq and Iran on

0:32:420:32:46

Monday leaves hundreds dead and

thousands without shelter. I hope

0:32:460:32:50

the Government is offering all

necessary emergency help and support

0:32:500:32:53

that can be used to save lives. I

also hope, Mr speaker and I'm sure

0:32:530:32:58

the House will join me in sending

our sympathies to the family and

0:32:580:33:03

friends of the late Karl sergeant,

the Labour Assembly Member in Wales

0:33:030:33:06

who tragically died last week.

Mr Speaker, crime is up, violent

0:33:060:33:13

crime is up. And police numbers are

down by 20,000. Will the Prime

0:33:130:33:19

Minister urge her Chancellor, who I

note this week is sitting absolutely

0:33:190:33:22

next to her, so it'll be easier for

her to make this demand on him, to

0:33:220:33:27

provide the funding our police need

to make communities safe?

Well,

0:33:270:33:34

first of all, can I say to the right

honourable gentleman, he raised

0:33:340:33:37

three points. First of all on the

earthquake that took place in Iraq

0:33:370:33:41

and Iran we are monitoring this

closely. It's a devastating

0:33:410:33:44

earthquake. We know. Our thoughts

are with those who have been

0:33:440:33:48

affected. We are looking at the

situation and stand ready to provide

0:33:480:33:54

assistance for urge epted

humanitarian needs if requested. --

0:33:540:33:55

urgent. The Government will do what

is necessary and we'll stand ready

0:33:550:33:59

to help people. I join with him in

offering condolences to the family

0:33:590:34:06

and friends of Karl Sargeant. I'm

sure that goes for everybody across

0:34:060:34:09

this whole House. He raised the

issue of crime and policing. Crime

0:34:090:34:13

is traditional measured by the

independent crime survey are down by

0:34:130:34:17

well over one-third since 2010. We

have been protecting police budgets.

0:34:170:34:23

We have protected police budgets.

And we are putting more money into

0:34:230:34:28

counter-terrorism policing but what

matters is what the police do and

0:34:280:34:32

how they deliver and as I say, the

crime survey shows that crime is

0:34:320:34:36

down by nearly one-third since 2010.

Mr Speaker, I have been following

0:34:360:34:42

some of the tweets from some of her

friends along the front bench over

0:34:420:34:45

there. And one of them and I quote

says "Very disappointed and

0:34:450:34:51

mystified at the closure of Uxbridge

police station."

0:34:510:35:01

CHEERS AND JEERS

For the want of any

doubt, Mr Speaker, that came from

0:35:090:35:16

the Foreign Secretary, who is

also...

THE SPEAKER:

I want to hear

0:35:160:35:21

about the Uxbridge police station.

Jeremy Corbyn?

I'm very pleased you

0:35:210:35:26

do, Mr Speaker, the Foreign

Secretary is so excited, he won't

0:35:260:35:30

even hear the answer The real

reason, Mr Speaker is that it's

0:35:300:35:35

closing because of a £2.3 billion

cut to police budgets in the last

0:35:350:35:39

Parliament. And it gets worse. They

are going to be cut by another £700

0:35:390:35:45

million by 2020. Mr Speaker. Under

this Government, there are, in...

0:35:450:35:57

There are 11,000 fewer firefighters

in England since 2010. Last year,

0:35:570:36:02

deaths in fires increased by 20%. In

the wake of the terrible Grenfell

0:36:020:36:09

Tower fire, the Prime Minister was

actually very clear and she said -

0:36:090:36:13

this could not be allowed to happen

again and money would be no object

0:36:130:36:16

to fire safety. Will she, therefore,

now, back the campaign to provide £1

0:36:160:36:25

billion to local councils to retro

fit sprinklers in all high-rise

0:36:250:36:29

blocks?

Well, first of all, on the

first question that the right

0:36:290:36:35

honourable gentleman raised the

first issue, he might not have

0:36:350:36:39

noticed but the Police and Crime

Commissioner in London is the mayor.

0:36:390:36:50

He is one of ours or one of yours?

The last time I looked, Sadiq Khan

0:36:500:36:56

was a Labour Mayor of London.

Although perhaps, perhaps the Leader

0:36:560:37:05

of the Labour Party thinks he is not

Labour enough for him and his brand

0:37:050:37:08

of Labour. But let's be very clear

about funding for the Metropolitan

0:37:080:37:17

Police. There is more money and more

officers for each Londoner than

0:37:170:37:21

anywhere else in the country. That's

the reality about funding for the

0:37:210:37:26

Metropolitan Police. Now, he asks...

He has asked about the issue of fire

0:37:260:37:35

and we absolutely take what

happened, the appalling tragedy of

0:37:350:37:39

what happened at Grenfell Tower

seriously and that's why I set up

0:37:390:37:43

the public inquiry. It's why my

right honourable friend the

0:37:430:37:47

communities' secretary has set up

already in work taking place on the

0:37:470:37:52

fire regulations and building

regulations to ensure that we do

0:37:520:37:55

have those right. It is why we

continue to support Kensington and

0:37:550:38:00

Chelsea Council in ensuring that we

deliver for those who have been

0:38:000:38:04

victims of this awful tragedy. But

he asked about sprinklers? We do

0:38:040:38:08

want to make sure that homes are fit

for those who live in them. There is

0:38:080:38:13

a responsibility on building owners

in relation to that. And some owners

0:38:130:38:19

do retro fit sprinklers but there

are other safety measures that can

0:38:190:38:21

take place. Perhaps he ought to look

at what Labour councils have said

0:38:210:38:27

about this. Har ingay rejected it,

and Lewisham said they want to weigh

0:38:270:38:40

up the issues because it can cut

through fire compartmentalisation,

0:38:400:38:45

another safety measure. Lambeth

Council said there were issue retro

0:38:450:38:48

fitting sprinklers and questions

about how effective they were. Even

0:38:480:38:52

Ises council say they need to look

at how effective spripgleers would

0:38:520:38:56

be. -- sprinklers.

Mr Speaker at Latmore House said

0:38:560:39:07

fitting sprinklers would be right

thing to do, the Chief Fire Officer

0:39:070:39:11

said it would be the right thing to

do, those local authorities that

0:39:110:39:17

have asked central Government for

support, to retro fit sprinklers

0:39:170:39:21

have all been refused by her

Government. Surely we need to think

0:39:210:39:26

about the safety of the people

living in socially rented high-rise

0:39:260:39:32

blocks. Yesterday I was passed a

letter from a lettings agency in

0:39:320:39:38

Lincolnshire, where Universal Credit

is about to be rolled out. The

0:39:380:39:42

agency, and I have the letter

here...

0:39:420:39:48

The agency is issuing all of its

tennants with a pre-emptive notice

0:39:480:39:54

of eviction because Universal Credit

has driven up arears where it's been

0:39:540:39:58

rolled out. And the letter, and I

quote says: "GAP Property cannot

0:39:580:40:09

sustain arears at the potential

levels Universal Credit could

0:40:090:40:13

create." Will the Prime Minister

pause Universal Credit so it can be

0:40:130:40:18

fixed? Or does she think it is right

to put thousands of families through

0:40:180:40:25

Christmas in the trauma of knowing

they are about to be evicted because

0:40:250:40:29

they are in rent arears because of

Universal Credit?

Can I say to the

0:40:290:40:38

right honourable gentleman that

there have been concerns raised and

0:40:380:40:42

concerns raised in this House

previously over the issue of people

0:40:420:40:45

managing their budgets to pay rent.

But what we actually see - what we

0:40:450:40:52

see is that over - we see that after

four months the number of people on

0:40:520:40:56

Universal Credit in arears has

fallen by one-third. Now, it's

0:40:560:41:00

important that we do look at the

issues in this particular case. Now

0:41:000:41:06

the right honourable gentleman might

like to send the letter through. I

0:41:060:41:10

know, in an earlier Prime Minister's

Questions he raised a specific

0:41:100:41:15

constituent's case, of an individual

who had written to him about her

0:41:150:41:18

experience on Universal Credit, I

think it was Georgina. As far as I

0:41:180:41:23

am aware he has so far not sent that

letter to me, despite the fact I

0:41:230:41:27

have asked for it.

Mr Speaker, I am

very happy to give the Prime

0:41:270:41:35

Minister a copy of this letter. I

suspect it's not the only letting

0:41:350:41:39

agency that is sending out that kind

of letter. She might be aware that

0:41:390:41:50

food bank usage has increased by 30%

in areas where Universal Credit has

0:41:500:41:55

been rolled out. 3 million families

are losing an average of £2,500 a

0:41:550:42:02

year through Universal Credit. The

Child Poverty Action Group estimates

0:42:020:42:07

more than 1 million will be in

poverty due to cuts imposed by

0:42:070:42:11

Universal Credit. If those aren't

reasons enough to pause the

0:42:110:42:14

roll-out, I don't know what there

are. And, Mr Speaker, last week the

0:42:140:42:24

Chief Executive...

THE SPEAKER:

Order, order. Mr Morris. Calm

0:42:240:42:28

yourself. Behave with restraint. You

are seating in a prominent position.

0:42:280:42:33

Quiet. It will be good for your

well-being. Jeremy Corbyn.

Thank

0:42:330:42:40

you, Mr Speaker. Last week the Chief

Executive of NHS England, Simon

0:42:400:42:45

Stevens wrote "The budget for the

NHS next year is well short of what

0:42:450:42:52

is currently needed A&E waiting time

targets hasn't been met for two

0:42:520:42:57

years, the 62-day cancer waiting

time target hasn't been met since

0:42:570:43:01

2015. So, again, account Prime

Minister spend the next week

0:43:010:43:05

ensuring that the Budget does give

sufficient funding to our NHS to

0:43:050:43:09

meet our people's needs?

First of

all on the first issue the right

0:43:090:43:15

honourable gentleman raised, can I

remind him, yet again, Universal

0:43:150:43:18

Credit is ensuring that we are

seeing more people in work and able

0:43:180:43:24

to keep what they earn. He talks

about Simon Stevens says about the

0:43:240:43:32

National Health Service. Let's look

at what he says. "The quality of NHS

0:43:320:43:38

care is demonstrably improving.

Outcomes of care more most major

0:43:380:43:43

conditions are dramatically better

than three or five or ten years ago.

0:43:430:43:47

." He says what has been achieved

"More convenient access to primary

0:43:470:43:54

care services, expanding the primary

care workforce. Highest cancer

0:43:540:43:57

survival rates ever. Big expansion

in cancer check-ups, public

0:43:570:44:06

satisfaction, with hospitals

in-patients at its highest more than

0:44:060:44:09

two decades." That's the good news

of our National Health Service.

0:44:090:44:17

Well, it's very strange, Mr Speaker.

Very strange, Mr Speaker that the

0:44:170:44:21

Chief Executive of NHS providers

says "We are in the middle of the

0:44:210:44:25

longest and deepest financial

squeeze in history." I've got a

0:44:250:44:28

pretty good idea they know what they

are talking about. Let me give the

0:44:280:44:33

Prime Minister another statistic.

The number of people waiting more

0:44:330:44:36

than four hours in A&E has gone up

by 557% since 2010. Two weeks ago,

0:44:360:44:43

Mr Speaker the Opposition to us, the

Tories over there were very noisy

0:44:430:44:47

when I mentioned ... You are the

Government, we are the Opposition,

0:44:470:44:53

you are in opposition to us, it is

not complicated. It is not

0:44:530:44:56

complicated.

0:44:560:45:04

Two weeks ago, Mr Speaker, I raised

the question of cuts in school

0:45:040:45:15

budgets. Teachers and parents

telling MPs what the reality of it

0:45:150:45:19

was about. The Prime Minister was in

denial. Every Tory MP was in denial.

0:45:190:45:23

This week, 5000 headteachers from 25

counties wrote to the Chancellor

0:45:230:45:32

saying, we are simply asking for the

money that is being taken out of the

0:45:320:45:37

system to be returned. Will the

Prime Minister listen to

0:45:370:45:43

headteachers and give a commitment

that the budget next week will

0:45:430:45:48

return the money to school budgets,

so that our schools are properly

0:45:480:45:51

funded?

Can I say to the right

honourable gentleman, actually, I

0:45:510:45:57

think this is a major moment. He has

got something right today. We are

0:45:570:46:02

the government and he is the

opposition.

0:46:020:46:13

CHEERING.

On the NHS, can we say, there are

0:46:140:46:22

1800 more patients seen within the

four hour A&E standard every single

0:46:220:46:27

day, compared to 2010. He talks

about school funding. We are putting

0:46:270:46:33

more money into our school budget.

We are seeing record levels of

0:46:330:46:36

funding going into our schools. And

this government is the first

0:46:360:46:41

government in decades that has

actually gripped the issue of a

0:46:410:46:43

fairer national funding formula, and

we are putting that into practice.

0:46:430:46:50

But you can only put record levels

of money into your NHS and your

0:46:500:46:54

schools with a strong economy, and

what do we see as the result of

0:46:540:47:00

policies which this Conservative

government has put into place?

0:47:000:47:05

Income inequality, down under the

Conservatives, up under Labour.

0:47:050:47:09

Unemployment, down under the

Conservatives, up under Labour.

0:47:090:47:14

Workless households, down under the

Conservatives, up under Labour.

0:47:140:47:19

Deficit, down under the

Conservatives, up under Labour. He

0:47:190:47:21

is planning a run on the pound. We

are building a Britain fit for the

0:47:210:47:25

future.

Mr Speaker, I would have

thought that 5000 headteachers would

0:47:250:47:37

have a pretty good idea about the

funding problems of their schools,

0:47:370:47:43

and a pretty good idea of the effect

of government cuts on school budgets

0:47:430:47:46

on their staff and their students.

Indeed, the IFS says that school

0:47:460:47:53

funding will have fallen by 5% in

real terms by 2019 as a result of

0:47:530:48:00

government policies. Mr Speaker,

public services in crisis, from

0:48:000:48:06

police to the Fire Service, from NHS

to children's schools, while a

0:48:060:48:09

super-rich few dodge their taxes.

Oh, yes. Big up and sit on its hands

0:48:090:48:17

as billions are lost to vital public

services. The Conservatives cut

0:48:170:48:23

taxes for the view and vital

services for the many. It's not just

0:48:230:48:30

that there is one rule for the

super-rich...

Order, order. I

0:48:300:48:36

apologised for interrupting the

right honourable gentleman. Both

0:48:360:48:38

sides of this house will be heard,

and the idea that, when somebody is

0:48:380:48:44

asking a question, they should be a

concerted attempt to shout that

0:48:440:48:47

person down, is totally undemocratic

and completely unacceptable, from

0:48:470:48:54

whichever quarter it comes and I

would just ask colleagues to give

0:48:540:48:57

some thought to how our behaviour is

regarded by the people who put us

0:48:570:49:04

here. Jeremy Corbyn.

Mr Speaker,

quite simply, isn't the truth that

0:49:040:49:11

this is a government that protects

the super-rich, while the rest of us

0:49:110:49:17

pick up the bill through cuts,

austerity, poverty, homelessness,

0:49:170:49:21

low wages and slashing of local

services all over the country? That

0:49:210:49:26

is the reality of a Tory government.

We have taken £160 billion extra in

0:49:260:49:35

as a result of the action we have

taken on tax avoidance and evasion.

0:49:350:49:40

The tax gap is now at its lowest

level ever. If the tax gap had

0:49:400:49:46

stayed at the level it was under the

Labour Party, we would be losing the

0:49:460:49:50

equivalent of the entire police

budget for England and Wales. We in

0:49:500:49:58

the Conservatives are building a

Britain that is fit for the future,

0:49:580:50:02

the best Brexit deal, more high-paid

jobs, better schools the homes that

0:50:020:50:08

our country needs. Labour have

backtracked on Brexit. They have

0:50:080:50:12

gone back on their promise on

student debt. And they would cause

0:50:120:50:14

and lose control of public finances.

I say to the right honourable

0:50:140:50:20

gentleman, he may have given

momentum to his party but he'd bring

0:50:200:50:24

stagnation to the country.

CHEERING.

0:50:240:50:39

Thank you, Mr Speaker. In April

2015, the residents of browns over

0:50:390:50:46

saw their only GP surgery closed in

an area of rock B that once had

0:50:460:50:53

significant challenges but, thanks

to the great work of local

0:50:530:50:57

councillors, has been regenerated.

-- an area of rugby. My constituents

0:50:570:51:03

had short-term pain for the

regrettably, the surgery still has

0:51:030:51:06

not been started on, so I wonder if

the Prime Minister might meet on me

0:51:060:51:10

and the local patients' action group

to consider the slippage in this

0:51:100:51:16

much-needed facility.

My honourable

friend is right to important issue

0:51:160:51:22

for his constituents and I had been

assured that, in this case, all

0:51:220:51:26

local health organisations remain

fully committed to this project.

0:51:260:51:29

They are confident it will bring

benefits to the local population in

0:51:290:51:33

the long term, but fully understand

the frustration my honourable friend

0:51:330:51:37

has at the delays that has taken

place. I understand he will meet

0:51:370:51:42

representatives of NHS England and

NHS property services later this

0:51:420:51:46

month, and it is those two

organisations that are in the best

0:51:460:51:49

position to insure that this project

is progressed as quickly as

0:51:490:51:53

possible, and I hope there will be

some positive news coming out of

0:51:530:51:57

that meeting but, as my honourable

friend has raised the issue of

0:51:570:52:01

access to local health services, I

would like to take this opportunity

0:52:010:52:04

as well to say how important it

is... No, this is an important issue

0:52:040:52:12

for people around this house and

outside of this house. Health

0:52:120:52:16

services, I want to make sure that

everybody who is entitled to a flu

0:52:160:52:22

jab this year goes and gets one. I

have had one as a type one diabetic

0:52:220:52:26

and I hope everybody in this house

is encouraging their constituents

0:52:260:52:30

who are entitled to those flu jab is

to get them.

Thank you. Can I join

0:52:300:52:39

with the premise that and the leader

of the Labour Party in

0:52:390:52:41

congratulating the Queen and Prince

Philip for the impending platinum

0:52:410:52:46

anniversary of their wedding, and

I'm sure the house would want to

0:52:460:52:49

join me in welcoming the presiding

officer of the Scottish Parliament,

0:52:490:52:52

who is in the gallery today. Does

the Prime Minister agree with me

0:52:520:52:56

that we should be incredibly proud

of our emergency services, that they

0:52:560:53:01

do a heroic job, often putting

themselves in danger to keep us all

0:53:010:53:05

safe?

First of all, can I join the

right honourable gentleman in

0:53:050:53:11

welcoming the presiding officer of

the Scottish Parliament to see our

0:53:110:53:13

proceedings today. As I have said

previously in this chamber, I am

0:53:130:53:17

happy to confirm it, our emergency

services do an amazing job. I was

0:53:170:53:22

very pleased at the pride of Britain

awards to be awarding, posthumously

0:53:220:53:28

awarding an award in the name of PC

Keith Palmer, who worked to keep

0:53:280:53:33

this place is safe, but other police

officers, the Leader of the

0:53:330:53:36

Opposition and the leader of the

Liberal Democrats gave to other

0:53:360:53:39

police officers who had also done

what they do and other emergency

0:53:390:53:45

services do, they run towards danger

when most of us would run away from

0:53:450:53:48

it.

I associate myself with the

remarks of the Prime Minister, but

0:53:480:53:53

Scottish fire and police are the

only forces in the UK to be charged

0:53:530:54:00

VAT, depriving front line services

of £140 million since 2013. The SNP

0:54:000:54:08

has now raised this issue 30 times

in this chamber. Will the UK

0:54:080:54:17

Government now gives Scotland's

emergency services back £130 million

0:54:170:54:22

and scrap the VAT? This has been a

long-standing SNP campaign and we

0:54:220:54:25

will not give up.

As the chief

secretary has made clear, officials

0:54:250:54:34

in HMRC will look at this and report

on it in due course. I am pleased to

0:54:340:54:39

say that constructive

representations have been made by my

0:54:390:54:42

Scottish colleagues on the

Conservative benches on this

0:54:420:54:44

particular issue. But let's be

clear. Because the right honourable

0:54:440:54:51

gentleman knows this, that before

the Scottish Government made the

0:54:510:54:55

decision to make Scotland's police

and Fire Services national rather

0:54:550:54:59

than regional bodies, they were told

that this would mean that they would

0:54:590:55:02

become ineligible for VAT refunds,

and they pressed ahead despite

0:55:020:55:05

knowing that.

Grandparents have a

vital role to play in the upbringing

0:55:050:55:17

of their grandchildren, something

that, at a time of rising life

0:55:170:55:25

expectancy, they are better equipped

than ever to fulfil. Does the Prime

0:55:250:55:28

Minister agree with me that we

should send a strong signal from

0:55:280:55:31

this does, not only that they should

be a presumption in their favour

0:55:310:55:34

when it comes to adoption but that

they should be intimately involved

0:55:340:55:39

in those decisions, something that

has been sadly lacking in my

0:55:390:55:41

constituency.

Can I say to my

honourable friend that, like him, I

0:55:410:55:48

have seen grandparents in my

constituency, through my surgery,

0:55:480:55:52

who have been concerned about

decisions that have been taken in

0:55:520:55:55

relation to their grandchildren,

when they themselves were willing to

0:55:550:55:58

provide that home and support for

them, so he has raised an important

0:55:580:56:02

issue. There is already a duty on

local authorities in legislation to

0:56:020:56:06

ensure that, wherever possible,

children are raised within their

0:56:060:56:11

family, and the statutory guidance

makes particular reference

0:56:110:56:15

grandparents, but adoption agencies

must also consider the needs of the

0:56:150:56:18

child first and foremost. Each case

will be different but I think the

0:56:180:56:21

message he is giving grandchildren

being able to be brought up in their

0:56:210:56:24

family wherever possible is a good

one.

Had the Prime Minister accepted

0:56:240:56:32

my invitation to the Universal

Credit summit in Inverness, she

0:56:320:56:36

would have heard harrowing

constituency from and multiple

0:56:360:56:38

agencies, including Macmillan cancer

care partnership, who told not only

0:56:380:56:45

of patient dying while awaiting

payments but they are now forced to

0:56:450:56:49

self declared that they are dying

even if they did not want their

0:56:490:56:52

doctor to tell them their fate. Will

she stop this weight and end this

0:56:520:56:56

cruel condition?

I made the point

earlier about the importance of

0:56:560:57:02

Universal Credit. We have made

changes in its implementation and we

0:57:020:57:06

are listening to the concerns that

are being raised. We are making more

0:57:060:57:09

advanced payments available. But the

honourable gentleman might also like

0:57:090:57:14

to recognise that, thanks to the

unprecedented devolution of powers

0:57:140:57:18

to Scotland that we have given,

including over welfare, the Scottish

0:57:180:57:24

Government have the ability to take

a different path, if they wish, so

0:57:240:57:28

that action in Hollywood might be

there.

We are leaving the EU and, as

0:57:280:57:39

the EU Withdrawal Bill goes through

the House of Commons, does the Prime

0:57:390:57:43

Minister agree with me that it's

part of our job as Members of

0:57:430:57:46

Parliament, some might even say that

it's our duty, scrutinise that

0:57:460:57:49

legislation, to debate considered

amendments which seek to improve the

0:57:490:57:54

bill and which are constructive, and

which seek to ensure that a smooth

0:57:540:57:58

transition of our laws and the EU to

the UK? Importantly, that we come

0:57:580:58:05

together and deliver Brexit for our

country and the British people?

My

0:58:050:58:10

honourable friend is right. We will

be leaving the European Union on the

0:58:100:58:16

29th of March 2019 and there is a

lively debate going on in this

0:58:160:58:21

place, and that is right and proper

and important, and there are strong

0:58:210:58:24

views held on different sides of the

argument about the European Union,

0:58:240:58:29

on both sides of this house. What we

are doing as a government is

0:58:290:58:34

listening to the contributions that

are being made. We are listening

0:58:340:58:37

carefully to those who wish to

improve the bill. And I hope that we

0:58:370:58:41

can all come together to deliver on

the decision that the country took,

0:58:410:58:45

that we should leave the EU.

It's

been almost a year since I stood in

0:58:450:58:51

this chamber and told my personal

story and asked for a children's

0:58:510:58:56

funeral fund to be established. The

leader of the house recently

0:58:560:58:59

expressed sympathy for such a fund,

and I have written to the Chancellor

0:58:590:59:04

and urged him to include such a fund

in next week's budget. Will the

0:59:040:59:09

Prime Minister added her voice to

mine and ask her Chancellor to make

0:59:090:59:13

this provision a reality?

The

honourable lady has been a

0:59:130:59:19

passionate campaign on this issue

and has very thoughtfully shared her

0:59:190:59:24

personal experience with this house,

and we recognise what an incredibly

0:59:240:59:29

painful experience it is to lose a

child, and I know that the whole

0:59:290:59:35

house are in sympathy with those who

do experience such a tragedy each

0:59:350:59:39

year, sadly, thousands of families.

Now, what has happened is that we

0:59:390:59:47

have put in place a piece of cross

government work to look at this

0:59:470:59:50

whole question of how we can improve

support for bereaved parents in a

0:59:500:59:54

variety of ways. That piece of work

is being led by the state for youth

0:59:540:59:59

justice. We are already supporting

the private members bill on parental

0:59:591:00:04

treatment that might honourable

friend, the member for Thirsk and

1:00:041:00:08

Malton, is introduced. We are making

it easier for parents to apply for

1:00:081:00:11

financial support and we are also

ensuring that support from across

1:00:111:00:14

government is brought forward so it

is easily accessible for bereaved

1:00:141:00:19

parents at a difficult time.

With

the premise to join me in craving

1:00:191:00:23

the work of the community transport

partnerships like those provided

1:00:231:00:28

across the country, and can she

intervene to sort out the threat

1:00:281:00:34

that threatens their services going

forward and, in the meantime, can

1:00:341:00:38

she issue guidance that confirms

there was no need for local councils

1:00:381:00:42

to take enforcement action until

that consultation is complete?

1:00:421:00:48

We strongly believe they provide

vital services connecting people and

1:00:481:00:50

communities and reducing isolation.

I was very pleased to visit a number

1:00:501:00:54

of weeks ago to actually visit and

take a ride on one of the community

1:00:541:00:58

buses provided within the Wokingham

borough which services part of my

1:00:581:01:01

constituency. The Department for

Transport remains committed to

1:01:011:01:05

supporting community transport

operators, has no intention of

1:01:051:01:07

ending the permit system and to

support this, we have written to all

1:01:071:01:12

local authorities in Great Britain

to explain how they can comply with

1:01:121:01:19

the regulations without neglectively

impacting on all operators and

1:01:191:01:22

passengers. THE SPEAKER:

Progress is

slow. Let's try to speed up

The

1:01:221:01:28

Prime Minister is aware that a

supplier to the energy sector, has

1:01:281:01:33

entered administration, this would

putm 1,400 jobs in Scotland and

1:01:331:01:38

elsewhere under threat. Can I ask

the Prime Minister to work with the

1:01:381:01:42

company, the Scottish Government and

the council to do all she can and

1:01:421:01:47

what specific action they can take.

I'm happy to gift honourable

1:01:471:01:50

gentleman that assurance, I was able

to discuss this matter briefly with

1:01:501:01:52

the First Minister of Scotland

yesterday when I met her and I'm

1:01:521:01:56

pleased to say that my honourable

friend the member for devises, as a

1:01:561:02:03

minister there, speak to the

relevant minister in the Scottish

1:02:031:02:06

Government, yesterday about this

issue and we stand ready, Baize, HMT

1:02:061:02:13

and Government stand ready to work

with the Scottish Government and

1:02:131:02:15

others to ensure the best result can

be achieved.

Thank you, Mr speaker.

1:02:151:02:21

Our NHS is a national treasure and

we must be bold to protect T each

1:02:211:02:25

week my constituents struggle to get

an appointment with the their

1:02:251:02:28

doctors. Whilst our fantastic

doctors are stretched to the limit

1:02:281:02:32

and practices are struggling to

recruit. To safe guard or NHS, will

1:02:321:02:36

the Prime Minister look at making

medical students sign a contract,

1:02:361:02:40

committing them to working within

the NHS for the first five years?

1:02:401:02:45

Stopping the brain drain of our

newly-qualified doctors overseas?

1:02:451:02:51

Well, this is an important issue and

my honourable friend is right, we do

1:02:511:02:54

need more GPs. That's why we are

increasing the number of places at

1:02:541:02:59

medical school by 1,500 and the

first 500 of those will be available

1:02:591:03:02

next September. On the specific

point she raises about committing

1:03:021:03:08

people who've been trained to work

in the NHS, this is - the Department

1:03:081:03:12

of Health has been looking at ways

on which we can maximise our

1:03:121:03:17

investment in medical education and

have asked Health Education to look

1:03:171:03:21

at this point and report back early

next year

The Foreign Secretary told

1:03:211:03:25

this house he has seen no evidence

of Russian interference in UK

1:03:251:03:28

elections in the referendum. Yet on

Monday the Prime Minister warned

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Russia not to meddle in Western

democracies and today the Times'

1:03:331:03:38

reports that fake Russian Twitter

accounts turned out thousands of

1:03:381:03:42

messages in an ato influence the EU

referendum result. Has the Foreign

1:03:421:03:50

Secretary been kept in dark of the

intejerks not read it or willfully

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blind and will she stop dragging her

feet and set up the intejobs and

1:03:541:03:58

security committee to look urgently

into the Kremlin's attempts to

1:03:581:04:02

undermine our democracy?

The

honourable lady is right, I spoke on

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Monday about the issue of Russian

interference in elections. We have

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seen that in a number of countries,

taking place in a number of

1:04:111:04:15

countries in Europe. Well it is all

very well Labour members pointing to

1:04:151:04:18

the Foreign Secretary, he made a

specific point about what was

1:04:181:04:21

happening in the United Kingdom and

if they care to look at the speech I

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gave Monday they will see the

examples I gave of Russian

1:04:241:04:29

interference, were not in the United

Kingdom. But she raises issues about

1:04:291:04:33

the Intelligence and Security

Committee and it is being

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established today.

Mr Speaker, the

harmful aspects of the internet are

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now causing a series of social

policy emergencies, particularly

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amongst young people. While parents

across the country will welcome the

1:04:461:04:51

engagement of the Home Secretary

with the industry on these issues,

1:04:511:04:54

could the Prime Minister tell us

when we can expect legislation with

1:04:541:04:58

real teeth that recognises that our

children only have one chance at

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childhood?

Well, my honourable

friend, I know has taken a

1:05:021:05:07

particular interest in this issue

and in ensuring we are giving

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support on security and safety for

young people on the internet that as

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he says, is so necessary. We are

considering a range on options on

1:05:151:05:18

this issue, later this month - sorry

last month we published our internet

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safety strategy. We are consulting

on a number of measures like a

1:05:221:05:28

social media code of practice,

social media levy and transparency

1:05:281:05:30

reporting but we do need to take

action to protect internet users,

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especially young people, and that

includes considering a sanctions

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regime to ensure compliance, as we

indeed said in our party manifesto.

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Thank you Mr Speaker. Prime

Minister, in the past month, Adam

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and Tommy have been fatally stabbed

in my constituency. This is part of

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an increase in violent crime of 20%

in the last year. Since 2009

1:05:551:06:02

Merseyside Police have lost over 1,7

under flooint staff. That includes

1:06:021:06:07

over 1,000, that's more than one in

five, police officers. 82 million

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have been cut up to now, with more

for 2020-2022. How can you increase

1:06:131:06:27

the budget for more police on

streets. Merry side's Budget has not

1:06:271:06:32

been protected. -- Merseyside.

I am

esure the sympathies and thoughts of

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the whole House will have been with

those injured and stabbed in the way

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the honourable lady has referred to.

Of course, we are concerned about

1:06:421:06:45

criminal acts of this sort that take

place. The question, as I said

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earlier, in other answers, we have

been protecting the police budget.

1:06:501:06:55

We have been protecting police

budgets and of course... We do see a

1:06:551:06:59

higher percentage of police officers

now actually on the front line.

1:06:591:07:04

Thank you, Mr Speaker. In July 2016

a 20-year-old Mane rived in my area

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from Romania. Three weeks later in

broad daylight he held a shard of

1:07:161:07:22

glass to a 14-year-old schoolgirl,

forced her into bushes and raped

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her. Efs sentenced to nine years' in

prison last week. Can the Prime

1:07:281:07:33

Minister explain what efforts she is

making in people like this entering

1:07:331:07:38

the done triand can she ensure that

the Brexit situation, will not

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result in the weakening of security

operations with the EU

He also

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raises an appalling and horrific

crime and thoughts of members across

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the House with the victim and her

family. I can assure him in the

1:07:501:07:53

specific case the Home Office will

be ensuring deportation action

1:07:531:07:56

against the individual. I understand

he met my right honourable friend

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the Home Secretary and she will be

writing to him with further details

1:08:001:08:03

shortly. He makes a wider point,

though, about the continued work we

1:08:031:08:10

will have and partnership and

cooperationship we will have the EU

1:08:101:08:12

27 once we have left the European

Union. I'm very clear, as I was in

1:08:121:08:16

my Florence speech, we want to

maintain that cooperation in

1:08:161:08:21

security and on criminal justice and

law enforcement matters, it is

1:08:211:08:24

important to us all

Thank you, Mr

Speaker. The Child Poverty Action

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Group recently published some

figures that showed as a consequence

1:08:291:08:32

of the cuts to Universal Credit and

the benefits freeze, single parents

1:08:321:08:38

with children stand to lose, on

average, 2,380 pounds per annum from

1:08:381:08:44

the family. I would ask the Prime

Minister, when she is sitting down

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with her Government ministers,

planning this, whether today she

1:08:561:08:59

feelings a sense of shame?

Thank

you, Mr Speaker. As I said in answer

1:08:591:09:06

to a number of questions on

Universal Credit, I believe that the

1:09:061:09:09

introduction of Universal Credit is

very important in helping people get

1:09:091:09:14

into work, helping more people get

into work and also in ensuring that

1:09:141:09:17

people can earn more of what they

pay. Of course we looked at the

1:09:171:09:23

implementation and the impact the

implementation is having and we have

1:09:231:09:26

made a number of changes in that.

But Universal Credit itself is the

1:09:261:09:30

right thing to do, because it is

enabling more people to get into the

1:09:301:09:36

workplace and helping them when they

are in the workplace.

With recent

1:09:361:09:42

events in Zimbabwe and total

electoral chaos in Kenya will the

1:09:421:09:45

Prime Minister join me in

celebrating the hugely successful

1:09:451:09:49

elections this week in Somaliland

and with direct help from this

1:09:491:09:53

country, from our Government, the

national Election Commission in this

1:09:531:09:56

country has conducted a template

election described by the

1:09:561:09:59

international observer mission as

"Peaceful, transparent, fair and."

1:09:591:10:03

What's more the winning candidate

has announced one of his first acts

1:10:031:10:08

will be to legislate against FGM as

a direct consequence of the work of

1:10:081:10:15

a British campaigner who serves...

My honourable friend raises an

1:10:151:10:18

important issue. This Government is

pleased at the work we have done to

1:10:181:10:25

support the Government in Somalia to

ensure that we can see those

1:10:251:10:28

elections taking place in the way

that my honourable friend has said

1:10:281:10:30

and we continue to do that. I was

pleased myself to Chair the Somalia

1:10:301:10:36

conference that took place here

earlier this year. I'm very pleased

1:10:361:10:40

to hear of the intention to deal

with the issue of female genital

1:10:401:10:44

mutilation. It is an important issue

raised by a number of members across

1:10:441:10:48

this House. We want to see it dealt

with, not just in Somalia but here

1:10:481:10:52

in the UK. As well.

Thank you, Mr

Speaker, a couple in my constituency

1:10:521:10:58

have had their application for

Universal Credit delayed because the

1:10:581:11:01

mum doesn't have any photo ID. She

can't afford a passport and she

1:11:011:11:05

doesn't drive so. They now have to

wait for both her dentist and her

1:11:051:11:10

doctor who provide identification.

Now, with all the other chaos of

1:11:101:11:14

Universal Credit, will the Prime

Minister step in, show some common

1:11:141:11:20

sense and transfer legacy

identification from legacy benefits

1:11:201:11:24

over to Universal Credit, so these

unnecessary delays don't give my

1:11:241:11:28

constituents more pain and

suffering?

Can I say to the

1:11:281:11:35

honourable lady, I'm sure she will

appreciate that it is important in

1:11:351:11:37

dealing with the benefits that we

ensure it is those who are entitled

1:11:371:11:40

to them who are receiving them and

we do look and continue to look at

1:11:401:11:46

how we are implementing Universal

Credit. And I'm sure that if she

1:11:461:11:52

would care to invite the point she's

making to the Secretary of State for

1:11:521:11:59

Work and Pensions he will look at

it.

Businesses at the Dover flooint

1:11:591:12:04

are now preparing to leave the

European Union. Will the Government

1:12:041:12:08

consider earmarking at least £1

billion in the upcoming Budget to

1:12:081:12:11

make sure we are ready on day 1,

deal or no deal, and prepared for

1:12:111:12:16

every single eventuality?

I thank my

honourable friend for his question.

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Obviously in his constituency, this

issue of preparations for the

1:12:211:12:25

position when we leave the European

Union is very, very tightly-felt and

1:12:251:12:31

there is a great focus on it and I

appreciate why that is the case. We

1:12:311:12:35

have already madep funds available

for the preparations and work that

1:12:351:12:39

is necessary across Government, in

preparations for Brexit, and, of

1:12:391:12:42

course we will be looking at what

further work is necessary to ensure

1:12:421:12:46

that we are ready. We hope we're

going to get that good deal and

1:12:461:12:50

we're working to get that good deal

but either way there will need to be

1:12:501:12:54

some changes from a Government point

of view and we're ensuring the

1:12:541:12:57

resources are there to do that.

Yesterday the Brexit secretary gave

1:12:571:13:02

a pledge in the City that freedom of

movement would be preserved for

1:13:021:13:06

bankers and other members of the

financial services industry. Why

1:13:061:13:10

can't the same pledge be given to

other key economic sectors like

1:13:101:13:15

manufacturing and agriculture?

As we

look towards the immigration rules

1:13:151:13:20

that will be introduced once we

leave the European Union, we are

1:13:201:13:22

very clear about the need to ensure

we take into account the needs of

1:13:221:13:26

our economy - that's precisely why

my right honourable friend the Home

1:13:261:13:32

Secretary has asked the independent

migrationly committee to look at

1:13:321:13:34

this issue and make recommendations

to the Government. Given the recent

1:13:341:13:42

reports

P of Zimbabwe. What support

can Her Majesty's Government give to

1:13:421:13:50

Zimbabweans to help their country,

economically but also in terms of

1:13:501:13:53

the democratic systems of

Government?

My honourable friend

1:13:531:13:55

raises an important point. We have

all seen what has been taking place

1:13:551:13:59

there. We are mob tore the

developments carefully Dobb

1:13:591:14:04

monitoring the developments

carefully. The situation is fluid.

1:14:041:14:08

We urge rep strants on all side. We

want to avoid violence. Our primary

1:14:081:14:14

consider is of British nationals in

Zimbabwe. We would recommend British

1:14:141:14:23

nationals in Harare to remain safely

at home until the situation becomes

1:14:231:14:26

clearer but on the point my

honourable friend has specifically

1:14:261:14:31

raise we are providing by lateral

support of over £80 million and part

1:14:311:14:36

of it is to support economic reform

and development as he says.

Next

1:14:361:14:40

week will mark six months since the

tragic attack at the Manchester

1:14:401:14:45

Arena, will the Prime Minister join

me, once again, paying tribe Bute to

1:14:451:14:49

all of those who responded so

brilliantly to the aftermath? The

1:14:491:14:52

Prime Minister will also be aware

that the costs associated with this

1:14:521:14:56

attack, now imposed on the city, are

well in excess of £17 million. Costs

1:14:561:15:01

which the Government agreed to meet.

Yet, as of today, these monies have

1:15:011:15:06

yet to be reimbursed. Would she

today give a clear and categoric

1:15:061:15:11

commitment that these monies will be

reimbursed at the earliest

1:15:111:15:14

opportunity?

1:15:141:15:19

Our thoughts continue to be with

those all of those who were affected

1:15:191:15:24

by this terrible attack that took

place in Manchester. I myself, as

1:15:241:15:29

well as meeting some of the victims

immediately after the attack, I also

1:15:291:15:33

met some of the victims and those

who were involved in a matter of

1:15:331:15:36

weeks ago and talked to them about

the long-lasting this has on them,

1:15:361:15:41

and she has raised an important

issue, but I can say to her, in

1:15:411:15:45

relation to this funding, we will be

responding in full by the end of

1:15:451:15:49

next week, but I would expect that

responds to confirm that the

1:15:491:15:52

majority of funds will be made

available.

The Prime Minister

1:15:521:15:58

represents a constituency in the

green belt, so will she issue of the

1:15:581:16:00

house that the government she leaves

will never weaken protection for the

1:16:001:16:04

green belt?

We have been clear about

our position in relation to the

1:16:041:16:09

green belt and, indeed, we have

confirmed that in the housing White

1:16:091:16:14

Paper we set out, where we were

clear about that. We want to see

1:16:141:16:18

more homes being built in this

country and it's important that we

1:16:181:16:22

see more homes being built

particularly in London, but there

1:16:221:16:25

are many opportunities to do that

which don't affect the green belt.

1:16:251:16:30

Earlier in the year, the Prime

Minister told the country she was

1:16:301:16:33

the only person that could offer

strong and stable leadership in the

1:16:331:16:39

national interest. With her Cabinet

crumbling before her eyes, can she

1:16:391:16:45

tell us how it's going?

Let me say

to the right honourable lady, what

1:16:451:16:54

we see this government delivering. I

spoke about some of the things

1:16:541:17:00

earlier, deficit and unemployment

down, we have seen record sums going

1:17:001:17:05

to our health service and schools,

and a government determined, with a

1:17:051:17:09

clear plan, as set out in my

Florence speech, a clear plan to

1:17:091:17:13

deliver the best Brexit deal for

this country. She is a member of a

1:17:131:17:17

party that can't even decide what it

wants from Brexit, let alone set a

1:17:171:17:21

plan for it.

No serious negotiation

would normally allow one side to try

1:17:211:17:29

and dictate financial terms before

the wider terms were known. In

1:17:291:17:32

preparing to embrace the world when

it comes to trade through WTO rules,

1:17:321:17:38

will she please ignore the siren

voices and defeatist voices who got

1:17:381:17:43

project fear one wrong and our need

to join the Euro wrong? WAG can I

1:17:431:17:50

say to my honourable friend, what we

want to do is to negotiate a good,

1:17:501:17:55

close partnership, a special

partnership with the remaining EU

1:17:551:17:59

27, so we can continue to see good

trade, as far as possible, tariff

1:17:591:18:05

free and frictionless, between

companies here and in the UK and

1:18:051:18:07

those in the EU 27, but we also want

to have trade deals around the rest

1:18:071:18:13

of the world, to ensure that we are

taking advantage of the

1:18:131:18:17

opportunities those trade deals

give, because it means more

1:18:171:18:19

prosperity and jobs in the UK.

Being

good neighbours, the Prime Minister

1:18:191:18:26

and I, from Maidenhead in Slough,

I'd like to place on record my

1:18:261:18:30

immense gratitude the Prime Minister

and half of her cabinet for having

1:18:301:18:33

come my aid recently to increase our

majority from 7000 to 17,000. I

1:18:331:18:39

couldn't have done it without you.

Mr Speaker, constituents, businesses

1:18:391:18:46

and unions in my constituency feel

very aggrieved that various

1:18:461:18:50

government announced initiatives

have seen little or no progress. The

1:18:501:18:54

electrification of the train line

between Slough and Windsor has now

1:18:541:18:58

been deferred...

Order. I'm trying

to be accommodating to colleagues

1:18:581:19:02

and I want to hear the honourable

gentleman, but the rest of the

1:19:021:19:06

question must be just that I'm a one

sentence, and a question mark at the

1:19:061:19:10

end.

Could the Prime Minister

assuage the concerns of my

1:19:101:19:19

constituents and reassure them that

the western rail link to Heathrow

1:19:191:19:23

will be treated as a priority

matter, so that it is dealt with

1:19:231:19:26

immediately?

I'm pleased to say to

the honourable gentleman that we are

1:19:261:19:32

putting significant sums of money

into transport infrastructure and

1:19:321:19:37

rail infrastructure, crucially, of

course, we are electrifying the

1:19:371:19:40

great western mainline, which will

be of benefit to Slough and

1:19:401:19:42

Maidenhead.

Will the Prime Minister

join me in welcoming the decision by

1:19:421:19:50

the people of Australia to vote in

favour of same-sex marriage? Does

1:19:501:19:57

she share my hope that the

government of Australia will quickly

1:19:571:20:01

legislate to introduce it and follow

the lead set by this house?

I am

1:20:011:20:05

happy to join my honourable friend

in welcoming the green welcoming

1:20:051:20:08

that vote in Australia. I was proud

when we passed legislation in this

1:20:081:20:14

house to enable same-sex marriage in

the UK, and I hope the Australian

1:20:141:20:19

government will indeed take that

vote and act on it very soon.

1:20:191:20:23

I am

1:20:311:20:31

told that was the longest PMQs since

the election, and it lasted a long

1:20:311:20:35

time. The questions from Jeremy

Corbyn, the Labour leader, bearing

1:20:351:20:39

in mind that the budget is coming up

in a week, he talked about police

1:20:391:20:42

funding, because he said that crime

figures have gone up. The impending

1:20:421:20:48

-- the independent crime survey says

that overall crime is down on 2010

1:20:481:20:53

but violent crimes are up. He talked

about the Fire Service and cuts to

1:20:531:20:56

the number of firefighters, in the

light of the Grenfell Tower tragedy,

1:20:561:21:01

and he asked the government about

the requisite money to retrofit

1:21:011:21:06

sprinklers in high-rise blocks. The

Prime Minister said that was the

1:21:061:21:10

responsibility, in terms of funding,

of local councils. He moved on to

1:21:101:21:14

Universal Credit, which has been

difficult for the government, he

1:21:141:21:17

said, because it's going to be

rolled out in Lincolnshire and the

1:21:171:21:20

number of people using food banks is

predicted to go up. Again, he'll be

1:21:201:21:24

hoping there is some respite, as he

would see it, in the budget, when

1:21:241:21:28

Philip Hammond gets to his feet next

week. Jeremy Corbyn went on to talk

1:21:281:21:32

about the NHS and targets, quoting

Simon Stevens, but there was a

1:21:321:21:36

battle of statistics on that from

the Prime Minister. Finally, school

1:21:361:21:40

budgets and funding. He called on

the Prime Minister to return the

1:21:401:21:44

money to the school budgets, to tell

her Chancellor to do so. There was a

1:21:441:21:50

question from Michael Tomlinson,

because Brexit wasn't mentioned by

1:21:501:21:53

Jeremy Corbyn, which was

unsurprising, saying there was a

1:21:531:21:56

duty on members of the house to

scrutinise all of the legislation,

1:21:561:21:59

and the Prime Minister said yes,

there was a lively debate and strong

1:21:591:22:03

views held on all sides, all in a

bid to pull the house together after

1:22:031:22:08

15 Tory MPs were called Brexit

mutinies. Laura, your thoughts.

I

1:22:081:22:12

think it was a role reversal. Last

week, Jeremy Corbyn was really on

1:22:121:22:16

form. It felt the other way round

today, perhaps Jeremy Corbyn did

1:22:161:22:21

something that he also has done in

the past, which is to go through

1:22:211:22:25

almost every topic under the sun,

his greatest hits, and therefore not

1:22:251:22:29

really put Theresa May under

pressure. That said, he was

1:22:291:22:32

certainly getting on issues that

they're strong feelings inside the

1:22:321:22:36

Tory party that they will have to be

some movement in the budget on. It

1:22:361:22:39

will be up to Philip Hammond to

decide whether there is, but there

1:22:391:22:42

an expectation on Universal Credit

that the Chancellor will find

1:22:421:22:48

something to pull back, at least,

this idea of the waiting, that

1:22:481:22:51

people have to wait six weeks for

their initial payment, so there is

1:22:511:22:55

an expectation they will be some

tweaks in the budget, but I'm not

1:22:551:22:59

sure anything will come about

because of Jeremy Corbyn's

1:22:591:23:01

performance today. It didn't feel

like a seismic movement.

Before we

1:23:011:23:07

talk to our guests, Mary Craig, the

Labour MP, raised the issue of

1:23:071:23:11

Russian interference, following what

Theresa May had said about it and we

1:23:111:23:16

spoke about it earlier. We had a bit

of news from Theresa May on back.

1:23:161:23:20

Yes, for a long time since the

election, there have been nerves and

1:23:201:23:24

frustration that the intelligence

and security committee, which is a

1:23:241:23:28

vital committee of MPs that is able

to see a lot of secret information

1:23:281:23:32

and do a lot of private scrutiny of

things that are going on and threats

1:23:321:23:36

to the UK, had not been set up. It

takes a while to get things going

1:23:361:23:40

after the election, but we are in

November now and the election was in

1:23:401:23:43

June. Theresa May said the committee

would be set up also today, and it

1:23:431:23:48

will then be up to the committee

itself to decide what it looks at,

1:23:481:23:52

and there is a lot of appetite in

the Commons at the moment for them

1:23:521:23:56

to look at what Russia was either

doing or not doing in the referendum

1:23:561:24:01

and, of course, the general

election.

Before I come to the

1:24:011:24:06

guests, while we were listening and

watching PMQs, the husband of the

1:24:061:24:09

jailed British mother in Iran have

been describing his meeting with

1:24:091:24:17

Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson,

which he said was positive and

1:24:171:24:21

constructive, but he said Boris

Johnson expressed reservations about

1:24:211:24:24

giving her diplomatic protection,

which is what he and the lawyers had

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been calling for. Looking ahead to

the budget, Nicky Morgan, your Tory

1:24:271:24:31

colleague, early in the week said

that this was a time to reset the

1:24:311:24:36

narrative on the economy. Is she

right?

I think lots of things are

1:24:361:24:40

going well in the economy.

But is it

time to reset the narrative?

We need

1:24:401:24:46

to ensure that we reiterate the

positive things that are going on in

1:24:461:24:50

the economy.

Which are?

Record low

unemployment, which we saw again

1:24:501:24:57

today, the deficit continuing to

come down and good tax receipts, the

1:24:571:25:01

productivity figures this morning,

which were very positive, and it was

1:25:011:25:05

odd, watching PMQs, because the

story told by Jeremy Corbyn across a

1:25:051:25:13

whole series of areas, it was

demands for more money in every

1:25:131:25:16

single area, as opposed to the

high-quality management of the

1:25:161:25:18

economy.

We are going to have to

leave it there, because we don't

1:25:181:25:24

have much time, and we can talk to

Jacob Rees-Mogg, a Tory MP, who is

1:25:241:25:29

in central lobby. Since we are

talking about the budget, you've got

1:25:291:25:33

an alternative budget for Brexit.

How helpful is that to the

1:25:331:25:37

Chancellor?

Let me show you this

fabulous red book, produced by

1:25:371:25:41

Patrick Mitford, which has all of

the detailed statistical analysis to

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show that there will be an enormous

Brexit bonus for the government,

1:25:441:25:51

£135 billion extra from 2020 to

2025, £40 billion a year thereafter,

1:25:511:25:56

if we follow the right policies in

respect to Brexit.

So your Tory

1:25:561:26:03

colleagues like Anna Soubry and

Dominic Grieve have got it all

1:26:031:26:05

wrong? Would you describe them as

mutineers?

I wouldn't. I voted

1:26:051:26:11

against the government on European

issues in the past and I think it

1:26:111:26:13

would be unfair of me to criticise

people who have held pro-European

1:26:131:26:17

views for their whole life for the

stance they are currently taking.

1:26:171:26:21

They are parliamentarians and they

are entitled to follow their

1:26:211:26:24

conscience. What I think is

important is the figures out today,

1:26:241:26:27

which show a lower deficit,

improving productivity. This is in

1:26:271:26:31

line with what Patrick Mitford has

been forecasting.

Viewers will not

1:26:311:26:39

necessarily know who Patrick Minford

is, important though he is to you

1:26:391:26:42

and that document you are holding.

Do you think, on the basis of what

1:26:421:26:46

you have said, the Treasury is too

pessimistic, as is Philip Hammond?

I

1:26:461:26:51

think they have the wrong

forecasting model, it uses gravity

1:26:511:26:55

models that have been shown to fail

in the past.

Should he be sacked? Is

1:26:551:26:59

he not the right man for the job at

the time Brexit?

Of course not.

1:26:591:27:04

These medals -- models predate

Philip Hammond and they have been

1:27:041:27:10

consistently wrong. They produced a

panic forecast before the referendum

1:27:101:27:13

saying that, just by virtue of a

vote to leave, there would be a

1:27:131:27:18

recession.

They are based on the

independent Office for Budget

1:27:181:27:22

Responsibility.

Actually, those were

Treasury forecasts, and the Obiang

1:27:221:27:25

works on the mandate given to it by

the Treasury and the policies that

1:27:251:27:32

the Treasury proposes it will

implement. -- the OLB R. It is an

1:27:321:27:36

exceptional body but they work

within the constraints of the

1:27:361:27:41

Treasury's guidelines.

Should Philip

Hammond ignore his own Treasury

1:27:411:27:46

forecasts?

Of course he should.

Those forecasts are consistently

1:27:461:27:49

wrong. George Osborne and Gordon

Brown politicised them and Philip

1:27:491:27:54

Hammond is left with inaccurate

forecasts. Week in, week out, we are

1:27:541:27:59

seeing better figures, often

reported by the BBC in spite of

1:27:591:28:02

Brexit, than all of these gloomy

people were predicting, all of these

1:28:021:28:10

yours. What a thank you for joining

us. There is just time to put you

1:28:101:28:13

out of your misery and give you the

answer to guess the year. The year

1:28:131:28:21

was 1977 and, Jenny, would you like

to press that button?

I'd be

1:28:211:28:25

delighted.

Well done. You didn't

smash it like some of our guests!

1:28:251:28:31

The answer is Philip Biggs in

impotent. Congratulations you've got

1:28:311:28:37

ten seconds on a final thought on

the budget.

Clearly a big debate in

1:28:371:28:42

the cabinet, do they say that

austerity is over? But in terms of

1:28:421:28:47

trying to persuade Philip Hammond to

change his approach, it's like

1:28:471:28:50

trying to explain the colours of the

rainbow to someone who only wants to

1:28:501:28:54

see in black and white.

It's goodbye

from us. Bye-bye.

1:28:541:28:59

"My dear husband, I should like

Miss Schlegel to have Howards End."

1:29:001:29:03

Jo Coburn is joined by digital skills minister Matthew Hancock and shadow Brexit minister Jenny Chapman for Prime Minister's Questions, plus there is an interview with Jacob Rees-Mogg about the EU Withdrawal Bill.

The Guess the Year competition closes at 12.30pm during the live broadcast of this programme.


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