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Hello and welcome to
the Daily Politics. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
The Government's publishing
its industrial strategy today, | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
alongside an announcement that two
big pharmaceutical firms are to | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
invest more than £1
billion in the UK. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
Will it be enough to turn around
the UK's sluggish growth prospects? | 0:00:51 | 0:00:58 | |
We will look at the political
reaction to the other big news - as | 0:00:58 | 0:01:03 | |
it is announced that Prince Harry is
to marry the actress, Meghan Markle. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:08 | |
New Defence Secretary Gavin
Williamson will answer | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
questions from MPs for the first
time this afternoon, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
amid reports he's facing a growing
Tory rebellion over cuts | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
to the Armed Forces. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
Some Labour MPs aren't happy
at being asked to sign what's | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
being a called a 'loyalty test'
by the Jeremy Cobyn-supporting | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
group Momentum. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:25 | |
Is this part of a sinister
plot, or an innocent way | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
to hold MPs to account? | 0:01:27 | 0:01:32 | |
And we'll be taking a look at what's
thought to be one of the most | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
photographed Christmas trees
in the world - it's travelled | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
hundreds of miles and it's just gone
up outside the Houses of Parliament. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
All that in the next hour,
and with us for the whole | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
of the programme today two MPs
who've managed to take a short break | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
from planning their Royal
engagement parties - | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
it's Labour's Kate Hoey
and the Conservative Paul Masterson. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
Welcome to the show both of you. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:01 | |
So, it's the announcement
an expectant nation has been | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
waiting for for months,
breathless with excitement. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
No, not the Government's
industrial strategy - | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
although we'll be talking about that
in a moment - but the even more | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
long-awaited engagement
between Prince Harry | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
and the American
actress Meghan Markle. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
The party leaders have been
offering their congratulations, | 0:02:17 | 0:02:22 | |
the Prime Minister said on Twitter,
"I would like to offer my very | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
warmest congratulations to HRH
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
upon their engagement. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
And Jeremy Corbyn was asked about it
on a visit to Scotland. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
First of all, my congratulations to
them. I wish them well. I hope they | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
have a great time and great fun
together. Having met Harry a couple | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
of times, I am sure they'll have a
great deal of fun together. What | 0:02:53 | 0:02:58 | |
about you? Are you planning to buy
your hat soon? I am pleased the | 0:02:58 | 0:03:04 | |
engagement's happened because we
have all waited for this and it | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
takes up a lot of media interest. I,
like any couple getting engaged - it | 0:03:06 | 0:03:11 | |
is great. Cob gratlations to them.
-- congratulations to them. Prince | 0:03:11 | 0:03:20 | |
Harry has changed his image and done
so much. I was involved with the | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
Invictus Games and he really was so
good with athletes and I think this | 0:03:25 | 0:03:30 | |
will be welcomed by everyone. He, I
think Jeremy was pleased too, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:38 | |
because he's an Arsenal supporter
and Prince Harry is apparently an | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
Arsenal supporter. You are telling
me a lot of things I don't know! I | 0:03:41 | 0:03:47 | |
what about the effect it will have
on the nation? I think it will be a | 0:03:47 | 0:03:52 | |
nice, positive mood for poo emto
look forward to. When we look back | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
to William and Kate and my wife and
I made the trip from Scotland to sit | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
by the Mall. It is a nice, happy
occasion. There is a lot of doom and | 0:04:00 | 0:04:05 | |
gloom. It is something the nation
will be happy with. I am sure | 0:04:05 | 0:04:10 | |
Theresa May will be happy too. He's
changed the tone of the Royal Family | 0:04:10 | 0:04:15 | |
- he and his brother talking openly
about the grief of losing their | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
mother. Has that changed the image
of the Royal Family? Prince Harry | 0:04:19 | 0:04:25 | |
and William have allowed people into
the Royal Family, see them growing | 0:04:25 | 0:04:30 | |
up, feel the Royal Family is more
modernised. I think they are | 0:04:30 | 0:04:36 | |
appealing to the younger generation,
which is something we needed to | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
happen to make sure. Because I am a
great royalist, you see. I want to | 0:04:40 | 0:04:45 | |
see the Royal Family be successful.
I think this is good. Now | 0:04:45 | 0:04:52 | |
Now to the other big news
of the day, if perhaps | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
if perhaps not quite as big - | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
it's the Government's long-awaited
industrial strategy. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:57 | |
Details of the plan,
which is designed to show how | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
Government funding and policy can
boost investment from private | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
firms, will be announced
in the Commons later today. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
Alongside the launch,
two pharmaceutical firms have said | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
they will invest more
than £1 billion in the UK, creating | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
about 1,850 jobs. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
The company MSD will support
a new research centre in London, | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
while German's Qiagen will develop
a genomics and diagnostics | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
campus in Manchester. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
Here's Business Minister Greg Clark
welcoming the news. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:26 | |
Well, this is going to act on all of
the contributions to improving | 0:05:26 | 0:05:32 | |
productivity, so getting the best
research and development. We have | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
got the best kit across the country.
Making sure that we invest more in | 0:05:35 | 0:05:40 | |
skills that are needed in training,
transport connections. We need to | 0:05:40 | 0:05:45 | |
connect better our towns and cities
across the country. To make sure we | 0:05:45 | 0:05:50 | |
respect the fact that different
places need different things. And so | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
we are going to bring them all
together in a long-term plan that | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
can make sure that Britain takes
advantage of the opportunities of | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
the new industries of the future. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
Simon, how much interest will there
be in this Government's industrial | 0:06:07 | 0:06:12 | |
strategy when we've had the
announcement of a royal engagement? | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
I wonder if there was a call to
number ten saying, I wonder if you | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
mind us to announce this today. He
thought he was up against the | 0:06:20 | 0:06:26 | |
volcano in Bali, now there's the
royal engagement. This document has | 0:06:26 | 0:06:31 | |
taken two years to putting to. Five
sectors, five levers the Government | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
can pull. The idiot's guide is this
- the Government chucks in money, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:42 | |
aligns some academic institutions
around it, puts money into skills | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
and crucially allows the sectors a
test-bed to twrie out their new | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
stuff. For life sense r sciences
that could mean early adoption of | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
new medicines for the NHS. For the
sector it could mean driverless | 0:06:54 | 0:07:01 | |
cars. Hey presto, public investment
ensues. They were looking at this as | 0:07:01 | 0:07:08 | |
the industrial strategy in action.
And basically it's been in the | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
pipeline for a while. It became all
the more urgent after we had that | 0:07:11 | 0:07:16 | |
assessment of Britain's economic
prospects from the Chancellor and | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
the OBR last week. They said this is
something we should do, anyway. It | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
is getting more urgent and with
Brexit around the corner it is | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
something the Government should get
involved in. You will remember | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
previous Tory Governments would have
run a mile using the words | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
industrial strategy, with all the
memories of failed Government | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
interventions. This Government is
unapologetic saying we can play a | 0:07:36 | 0:07:41 | |
role and get things going, with
Brexit around the corner the need is | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
as urgent as ever. The figures of
productivity and growth will this be | 0:07:44 | 0:07:52 | |
transformative in reversing the
fortunes of the UK industry? I was | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
at the institute with the Secretary
of State today - this is a | 0:07:55 | 0:08:00 | |
high-tech, high-skilled,
productivity area. Most of the | 0:08:00 | 0:08:01 | |
country is not like that. The
challenge for the Government will be | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
to look at if areas of the economy
where people are more likely to | 0:08:04 | 0:08:10 | |
drive white vans than wear white
coats - hospitality, retail - they | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
are more difficult to get at. They
are the bits he has to refresh the | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
parts of the economy that this
industrial strategy might not reach. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
The big banner... There'll be a
pipeline of announcements, which | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
will say, look it is all working,
just as we had with Nissan, if you | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
remember. He went to Nissan and
provided reassurances and got a big | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
amounted of investment there. Since
then, investment in car | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
manufacturing has gone down sharply.
It will be very interesting to see | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
if they can keep up the momentum of
this investment. Everyone thinks it | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
is welcome. Will it unhelp unlock
the pro-tuckive of the economy, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
which is the lion's share of it?
Thank you. Is it little, too little, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
a lot too late? I don't think so.
Think I what this document does is | 0:08:53 | 0:08:59 | |
recognise the world is moving
quickly. As a country we need to | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
make sure we are at the forefront or
we will get left behind. It is a | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
clear plan for the Government to
invest in key sectors where we have | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
huge potential and make sure we are
at the forefront and pick up on the | 0:09:11 | 0:09:16 | |
productivity, growth and skills
issues, which were highlighted | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
there. Kate Hoey, Michael Heseltine,
a former minister said the best way | 0:09:18 | 0:09:27 | |
is by stopping Brexit? I would
expect someone like Michael | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
Heseltine to say exactly that. I
think what he should be saying today | 0:09:30 | 0:09:35 | |
is, brilliant, we are seeing a
large, two large pharmaceutical | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
companies really investing huge
amounts of money in this country at | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
a time when people like him are
saying no-one wants to invest. I | 0:09:42 | 0:09:49 | |
mean, it's an industrial strategy,
we've had them before. It is what | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
happens on the ground, but the new
technology and money going into | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
making sure we are keeping up with
the rest of the world and being | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
ahead of the rest of the world is
important. We are not ahead in terms | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
of productivity and slower growth.
In terms of investing is really | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
important. The key thing for me and
I was worried last week when I heard | 0:10:07 | 0:10:12 | |
the figures on apprenticeships
because it has not gone up, it has | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
gone down. It is crucial. It has to
be a key part of any industrial | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
strategy. The industrial strategy
will be influenced by Brexit, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
clearly since that is the biggest
decision that the Government is | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
grappling with. Again, I ask you,
what do you say to Michael Heseltine | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
saying the best way to promote
industrial strategy and reverse | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
slower growth and downgraded
productivity figures is to stop | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
Brexit? That is over dramatic.
Brexit changes Britain's place in | 0:10:39 | 0:10:45 | |
the world and we need to decide what
sort of country we want to be post | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
Brexit. Do we want to be dynamic, at
the forefront, able to attract the | 0:10:49 | 0:10:54 | |
best and brightest from the world or
will we meander through? The | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
strategy is a clear strategy for the
Government in saying, yes, Brexit | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
changes things, but we will utilise
what opportunities there are from | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
that. Do you think it is difficult
for companies to decide whether to | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
invest and when to invest when they
say they don't know the shape of | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
Brexit? From the north of the border
we saw the run up in the border | 0:11:12 | 0:11:19 | |
referendum and it did place a hinder
rens on investment decisions. It is | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
wise we move to this next round of
talks getting clarity. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:28 | |
Now it's time for our Daily Quiz. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
And as today is apparently one
of the busiest shopping | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
days before Christmas,
we might be able to help | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
because the questions
is, which party leader | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
has been immortalised, | 0:11:38 | 0:11:39 | |
if that's the right word,
with their own annual? | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
The perfect stocking filler
for someone you don't | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
particularly like. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
Is it, A. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:47 | |
Theresa May? | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
B. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:50 | |
Vince Cable? | 0:11:50 | 0:11:51 | |
C. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:52 | |
Jeremy Corbyn? | 0:11:52 | 0:11:53 | |
D. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:54 | |
Arlene Foster? | 0:11:54 | 0:11:55 | |
At the end of the show Paul and Kate
will give us the correct answer. | 0:11:55 | 0:12:04 | |
Let's turn to Brexit, as there's
been plenty of discussion over the | 0:12:04 | 0:12:09 | |
weekend about the future of the
Irish border and how that affects | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
the negotiations in Brussels. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
Theresa May has made
clear her desire to move | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
onto trade talks with the EU
at the December summit. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
But, the EU won't move
on until "real progress" has been | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
made on the Irish border issue -
and have set a deadline | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
of 4th December.
and have set a deadline | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
As a continuing EU member
state, Ireland has a veto | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
on whether the EU-UK talks can
progress on to trade. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
And Leo Varadkar,
the Irish Prime Minister - | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
wants a written guarantee
that there will be no hard border | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
between Ireland and Northern
Ireland. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
But International Trade Secretary
Liam Fox said this weekend that | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
a final decision on the future
of the border between | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
Northern Ireland and the Republic
can not be decided until the UK | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
knows what sort of trade deal it
will have with the EU. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:57 | |
The two governments also disagree
over what a future trading | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
relationship between Ireland
and the UK should look like. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:05 | |
Irish European commissioner
Phil Hogan told the Observer | 0:13:05 | 0:13:10 | |
newspaper yesterday
that it was "a very simple | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
fact" that remaining
in the single market - | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
or allowing Northern Ireland to do
so, would end the stand-off. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
But, Theresa May has repeatedly said
Britain will leave the single | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
market and customs union. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:25 | |
I am joined now by Mr Richmond, who
is the spokesman on EU affairs. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:31 | |
Welcome to the programme Neil. Just
before I come to you, Kate Hoey, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:36 | |
there's been no detail from the UK
on how the Northern Irish border can | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
work. The Irish Government wants
certainty. What is wrong with that? | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
. I think they could play a greater
part in getting that certainty | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
because there is no real reason why,
with goodwill and political will, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
that we cannot work out a situation
where certainly there's no problem | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
with people moving. We've had a
common travel area since 1921. There | 0:13:53 | 0:13:59 | |
is no problem with that. With trade,
there are all sorts of | 0:13:59 | 0:14:05 | |
technological, electronic reasons,
ways of doing it. The Republic of | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
Ireland is going to be actually even
worse off if they veto this and we | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
end up with a no deal because they
are going to suffer even more. So I | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
really think what the Republic of
Ireland should be doing is being | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
positive, working with us and not
trying to play this sort of idea | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
that they are going to be stopping
things happening because they don't | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
like the fact that people have left.
But the bottom line to me is very | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
clear - there's no way Northern
Ireland will be treated differently | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
from the rest of the UK. Do you
accept that, Neil Richmond, that | 0:14:36 | 0:14:41 | |
point that Northern Ireland will not
be treated separately, so says the | 0:14:41 | 0:14:46 | |
Government, Kate Hoey has repeated
it, although she's not part of the | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
Government, that Northern Ireland
will not stay in any separate | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
customs union? Absolutely. I reject
the fact. We set out at the start of | 0:14:52 | 0:15:01 | |
negotiations, as agreed by the
European Commission and the UK | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
Government that we needed to handle
and get significant progress on | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
three clear issues before phase two.
We missed the deadline back in | 0:15:08 | 0:15:13 | |
October. The Irish Government has
put out a series of possible | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
solutions. We would love the UK to
stay within the European Union, the | 0:15:17 | 0:15:22 | |
customs union. I appreciate that is
not realistic. A new customs | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
agreement will make sure Northern
Ireland is not treated any | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
differently to the rest of the UK
and the Irish border can remain as | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
it is, which. Any technological
solutions will be a turn backwards | 0:15:32 | 0:15:42 | |
to a dark place in our history. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
return to a dark place, threatening
the peace process, if there were to | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
be technological solutions for those
customs checks across because, as | 0:15:49 | 0:15:56 | |
has been said by the police force,
as soon as you put any sort of | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
technological tracker or a roving
customs in check anything like that, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:06 | |
along the border, it will become a
target for a very real paramilitary | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
threat. We don't want that to go
back, we have gone from a situation | 0:16:10 | 0:16:18 | |
where we have 270, it is a great
place to be in, we have come a long | 0:16:18 | 0:16:24 | |
way, we want to maintain that, the
Irish government are the UK's best | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
friend when it comes to European
talks and we want to get this | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
resolved. We want to move on to
phase two as soon as possible but we | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
have got to stand up for the rights
of all Europeans and Irish people in | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
these negotiations. He describes
Ireland as Britain's best friend and | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
says there has been a positive
response, are you prepared to risk | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
the peace process or any sort of
infrastructure along that border for | 0:16:46 | 0:16:51 | |
keeping Northern Ireland separate,
when you'll Richmond says there is a | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
solution in terms of some sort of
customs...? A lot of smuggling goes | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
on at the moment and we do not have
any border at all, communal activity | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
at the border, the idea that somehow
because you have electronic tracing | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
of lorries going forward and back,
particularly those people who trade | 0:17:07 | 0:17:13 | |
everyday, farmers who send milk back
and forward, over the border, there | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
is no reason why they cannot be
given special status which happens | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
in other parts of the world where
there are borders. Because they are | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
going back and forward. People in
Northern Ireland generally, whether | 0:17:24 | 0:17:29 | |
they voted remain or leave, will
find it quite wrong and actually, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:34 | |
quite almost, I can hardly think of
the word, because it makes me | 0:17:34 | 0:17:40 | |
annoyed, somehow the idea that
because the United Kingdom is | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
leaving the EU, that that is going
to threaten the peace process, and | 0:17:43 | 0:17:48 | |
therefore, we should be almost not
leaving because if we leave, that | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
could threaten the peace process.
Isn't it a real worry? Well, there | 0:17:52 | 0:17:57 | |
are dissidents but they are there at
the moment, operating, crossing the | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
border, things are still going on,
quite horrible things have happened | 0:18:01 | 0:18:07 | |
even in the last few weeks, they do
not get much publicity over here but | 0:18:07 | 0:18:12 | |
it is important we do not allow
people like the dissidents to thwart | 0:18:12 | 0:18:18 | |
what has been a democratic process
of the people of the United Kingdom, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
Northern Ireland is an integral
part. How responsible is it, Neale | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
Richmond, of you to bring up the
peace process, why is the Irish | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
government wanting to revive any
idea that piece may be threatened | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
while these negotiations are going
on? In order to use a stick against | 0:18:35 | 0:18:40 | |
the British government, to make a
decision that you would like to see | 0:18:40 | 0:18:46 | |
in terms of this invisible border?
The Irish government, along with the | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
UK Government, our programme towards
the Good Friday Agreement, it is | 0:18:50 | 0:18:56 | |
absolutely our responsibility to
make sure there is no undermining of | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
the Good Friday Agreement. Why
should there be? Well, because if | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
you put in hard infrastructure, it
is a step backwards and provides a | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
viable threat or new dissident
terrorists, not smuggling, I'm | 0:19:07 | 0:19:12 | |
talking about targeting the
institutions of a border that we did | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
not ask for and we did not want and
we have to make sure our small | 0:19:14 | 0:19:20 | |
island maintains its peaceful
disposition at the moment. Go on. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:25 | |
This morning, Bertie Ahern said on
radio, he can see the solutions | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
would happen, one or two things may
be more difficult but ultimately it | 0:19:30 | 0:19:35 | |
can work, the technological
electronic surveillance, and all of | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
that, it is not have to be at the
border, it is not at the border of | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
some of the other places. We are
very close to negotiations finishing | 0:19:42 | 0:19:48 | |
and we have seen zero detail from
the United Kingdom government. We | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
did not see it from the speech in
Florence, the Irish government has | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
put in a detailed solution and we
have seen nothing and we cannot be | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
expected to move on to phase two on
just a promise. We need a solid | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
agreement with detail that will
guarantee that there is no border, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
technological or otherwise, there
cannot be a border. There cannot be | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
a physical border. I'm been very
straight on that, a return to a | 0:20:10 | 0:20:15 | |
physical border is a step adequate
and a threat to a very fragile peace | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
process that those that are still
living on the island see everyday. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
Why doesn't the government just give
them a written guarantee? Well, the | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
Prime Minister has stated very
clearly, as has David Davis, as have | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
all of us, are we really saying that
the Irish government does not | 0:20:33 | 0:20:38 | |
actually believe the word of the
British Prime Minister? | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
We want detailed. Why don't you
provide a written guarantee? I am | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
not... -- we want detail. Talking
about a hard border... He's thinking | 0:20:49 | 0:20:57 | |
a hard border does not even have
electronic technology, that is | 0:20:57 | 0:21:02 | |
nonsense, a hard border to me is
what was there when the IRA were | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
bombing and bringing over arms
across the border, that was a hard | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
border. We are not going back to
that and no talk about ending the | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
peace process is helpful at all in
that discussion. Do you not take the | 0:21:13 | 0:21:18 | |
British government's word on that,
no return to a hard border? We | 0:21:18 | 0:21:25 | |
absolutely accept the word of the
British government, but what we have | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
not done, and it was the same when
the tea shop met the Prime Minister | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
last week, and the Foreign Minister
met the secretary of foreign | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
affairs, we both asked very nearly
of him, we want detailed, when the | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
United Kingdom put it in detail, the
European committing negotiating team | 0:21:40 | 0:21:48 | |
will agree there has been
significant and enough progress to | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
go on to phase two. -- Taoiseach.
That is what we want and what we | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
need, we do not want to hold this up
for no reason. Do you take Neale | 0:21:54 | 0:21:59 | |
Richmond's point that there has not
been enough detail from the British | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
government, that they are asking for
something without setting out | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
precisely what it is. At the moment
when it comes to Northern Ireland, a | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
lot of empty platitudes about no
hard border, treating it as the rest | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
of the UK but no one is saying what
that means, I think we are seeing | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
clearly why Northern Ireland was not
a big part of the Leave campaign in | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
a referendum because they had no
idea how to deal with it if they | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
won. I agree with Kate and others on
one thing, this is one area where | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
the solution is intrinsically linked
with the future trading relationship | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
and this is one area where the EU
insistence on splitting it into two | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
parts simply does not work. Do you
accept the idea that there could be | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
a separate arrangement? I'm not
comfortable with that particularly, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:47 | |
it gets messy in and of itself. It
may solve a problem... But it would | 0:22:47 | 0:22:53 | |
cause lots of other problems. It
would cause lots of other problems. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
When you talk about a hard border,
describe what a hard border is in | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
your mind, because if it is not a
return to the infrastructure, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
checkpoints, that we associated with
the troubles, before the peace | 0:23:04 | 0:23:09 | |
process, what hard border is it that
you mean? Any change to the material | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
border that we have at the moment is
a return to a hard border, be roving | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
customs checks, the online
infrastructure, all of these things | 0:23:17 | 0:23:22 | |
that Kate and others have suggested,
we have seen no detailed proposals, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:27 | |
the government have not given us
proposals, I reject the suggestion | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
the EU has set up the process, this
is an agreement between the United | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
Kingdom and negotiating issues,
three key issues, citizens rights, | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
the situation of Ireland, this was
agreed by both sides. We are | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
sticking to the agreement and the
negotiating timetable. If government | 0:23:43 | 0:23:48 | |
is serious they will give us some
detail. Is it helpful to that | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
Ireland will pay for a border if it
comes to no deal? We will not be | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
putting up a border, so if they wish
to have a border they will have to | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
pay for it. What if they chose to
Europe -- you chose to leave the | 0:23:59 | 0:24:05 | |
European union, it is your decision.
We did not choose to leave. Our | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
people have made a decision. They
did not consider what the result of | 0:24:08 | 0:24:13 | |
the decision would be. We are
leaving the single market, we must | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
find a solution. You made the
decision... You have not thought | 0:24:16 | 0:24:21 | |
about what a border would look like.
Will Ireland use its veto? I really | 0:24:21 | 0:24:26 | |
hope Ireland does not need to use
it, there is no need to use it, if | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
the UK Government sits down and sets
down their mission, and their vision | 0:24:30 | 0:24:35 | |
for the United Kingdom and the
relationship post "Brexit", it will | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
make things easier. A lot of people
who painful Eve did so without ever | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
saying what the future would look
like, this is a top three | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
negotiating issue for both sides,
critical importance, we want to move | 0:24:46 | 0:24:51 | |
on to the future relationship. -- a
lot of people who campaigned for | 0:24:51 | 0:24:58 | |
leave. Difficult to find a solution
to the border issue without the | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
trade talks being part of it, it has
been said, if Ireland uses its veto | 0:25:01 | 0:25:07 | |
before the EU and Britain have had a
chance to talk about the shape of | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
the trade deal, that will destroy it
before we get there. We have zero | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
interest in using the veto, the veto
is that hard Brexit, which is a | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
disaster for us, but the situation
on the island of Ireland is of | 0:25:19 | 0:25:26 | |
utmost importance, we must resolve
that, when we get a clear idea, we | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
are not looking for a final solution
in the next week or ten days, we are | 0:25:29 | 0:25:35 | |
looking for significant progress
allowing us to do what we want to | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
do. We did not choose Brexit, we
have got to deal with the mess of | 0:25:37 | 0:25:43 | |
it, it is going to affect the island
of Ireland much more... It may not | 0:25:43 | 0:25:48 | |
be much longer before the island
public... Your lack of knowledge is | 0:25:48 | 0:25:55 | |
delusional about the Irish public
voting for leaving the European | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
Union, delusional. Is it delusional?
Lots of options dealing with the | 0:25:58 | 0:26:04 | |
Northern Irish Republic question, by
building a wall and getting the | 0:26:04 | 0:26:10 | |
Irish to pay for it, that is... That
is not one of them. They are the | 0:26:10 | 0:26:15 | |
only ones talking about a border, we
don't want a border, we can handle | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
it electronically. On that we will
leave it, Neale Richmond, thank you | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
for joining us. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:30 | |
Later today, Defence Secretary Gavin
Williamson will be speaking | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
in the Commons for the first time
since he took up the job, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
and it looks like he's had
a tricky first few weeks. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
You may remember on Friday's
programme we talked | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
about a possible rebellion
within the Conservative Party over | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
the issue of defence spending,
and at the weekend The Times | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
reported that Defence Minister
Tobias Ellwood has spoken | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
of his "deep discomfort"
about the levels of cuts facing | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
the Ministry of Defence. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:50 | |
He is even said to be threatening
to resign over the matter. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
Well here's the former Defence
Secretary, now Trade Secretary | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
Liam Fox speaking to Sky yesterday. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
And there is a review going on at
the present time, I think back to my | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
own time as Secretary of State for
Defence when we had a similar review | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
ongoing and there is always a lot of
tension, not just between the MoD | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
and the Treasury but also inside the
MoD between the different parts of | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
the Armed Forces. Naturally, there
are concerns about the future shape | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
of that, but this is an ongoing
discussion, I'm afraid it is not | 0:27:16 | 0:27:21 | |
unknown for some of these tensions
to spill over into the public | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
domain, I think that we should wait
and see exactly what sort of | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
compromise we reach, because that is
what it will be, and remember, the | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
United Kingdom is the fourth biggest
military budget in the world. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:38 | |
Well, we're joined now
by the Conservative MP and member | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
of the Defence Select
Committee Johnny Mercer. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
I thought about reports that Tobias
Ellwood would resign if proposed | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
cuts go ahead, have you spoken to
him? I have not spoken to Tobias, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
sensible guy, that is a decision for
him, he clearly sees what is going | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
on in the Ministry of Defence, my
role in this, it is not about me, it | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
is what we as a Conservative Party
do in defence, we are the party of | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
defence, we need to get it right,
this is a critical time. You have | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
written a letter, and many other
Tory MPs... About 30 MPs are there | 0:28:08 | 0:28:14 | |
to hold the feet to the fire of the
government about defence, this is | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
not about individuals, it is about
arriving at the right answer when it | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
comes to defence, when it comes to a
lot of the stuff in the budget, | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
great stuff around artificial
intelligence and 5G, when it comes | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
to that stuff, cut your cloth
according to what you can afford. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
Defence, pay what is necessary to
keep people safe. You will hold | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
their feet to the fire, how far are
you prepared to go to stop these | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
cuts. It is interesting, security
does not go to a vote, and so we | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
need to be clever in how we go about
this, my initial position has been | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
to make it very clear to the Prime
Minister and to the Chancellor and | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
the MoD that there is a group of
backbench Conservative MPs appeared | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
to hold the government to account.
That is where we are at the moment, | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
no point in doing things which may
not be necessary and hopefully one. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
You would go so far as to defeat the
government on these cuts... I'm not | 0:29:03 | 0:29:11 | |
prepared to see and the group
standing with me are not prepared to | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
see a further degradation in this
country's military. We will see | 0:29:14 | 0:29:19 | |
where we get to once all is said and
done. You think that is a real | 0:29:19 | 0:29:24 | |
threat, what you have outlined? It
is not a real threat, it is the | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
reality of the situation, we are the
party of defence and we are prepared | 0:29:27 | 0:29:32 | |
to see it through. Is there a threat
of the Armed Forces being shrunken | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
in the way you describe? I think
there is a clean threat -- clear | 0:29:35 | 0:29:41 | |
threat, the options on the table are
pretty horrific, we are at a | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
critical moment with defence forces,
when you look at some of the | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
proposals, it will change what we
are as a teal one military nation | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
not only for ourselves but how we
look in the eyes of our allies, and | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
I'm afraid we are prepared not to
accept it. Have you got faith in | 0:29:55 | 0:30:00 | |
Gavin Williamson to stand up for the
Armed Forces in the way that you | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
would like to see? He could be, I
know people have said he has no | 0:30:03 | 0:30:08 | |
experience in things like that but
he could be the best Defence | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
Secretary we have ever had. If we
were to see an increase in the | 0:30:12 | 0:30:17 | |
military capability or at least stay
where we are, then that would be a | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
good result, I think that the Times
of salami slicing are over, we have | 0:30:20 | 0:30:26 | |
now got to a point, we need to ask
what we want from Armed Forces, what | 0:30:26 | 0:30:31 | |
we expect from them, what the
British public one, they pay for | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
this, I do not believe they are
prepared to see something like the | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
size of Belgium in the UK Armed
Forces, it is not something they | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
recognise and it is not something
that I am prepared to put up with | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
either. Will there be a showdown
with the Chancellor? That is for | 0:30:44 | 0:30:49 | |
Gavin and the Chancellor, how they
work it out in cabinet is nothing to | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
do with me. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:53 | |
We are a team and it is about coming
to the right conclusion for defence. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:02 | |
We have called ourselves a party of
defence. Let's show that and make | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
sure we get it right. You are a
backbench MP, the Government could | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
choose not to listen to you. What
evidence do you are? . Everyone | 0:31:08 | 0:31:14 | |
knows the Government has a fairly
small majority. Some of us are | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
prepared to stand pretty resilient
against a further reduction in our | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
capability and spending on the
millty. Paul, you have had some | 0:31:22 | 0:31:27 | |
experience of extracting money and
funds out of the Chancellor - what | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
advice would you give? Do you think
they should stand in the way that | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
Johnny Mercer has described to get
more money? When it comes to defence | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
mattersly not tell Johnnie how to do
his job. What about money out of the | 0:31:39 | 0:31:44 | |
Chancellor? This is a matter that
matters to you and you will not | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
budge on. Johnnie is right - the
first call of any Government is to | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
protect the realm. The world is
changing. Our armed capability has | 0:31:52 | 0:31:57 | |
to reflect that. Scaling it back in
some of the ways suggested will put | 0:31:57 | 0:32:02 | |
our position as a global leader
under threat. But the national | 0:32:02 | 0:32:07 | |
security adviser, who seems to have
the time say on the Defence Review, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:12 | |
has said you need to increase cyber,
instead of increasing the size of | 0:32:12 | 0:32:21 | |
the Armed Forces? I am afraid the
Prime Minister decision's will | 0:32:21 | 0:32:27 | |
decide our configuration. I accept
his decision. He has an insight into | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
that side of the security apparatus.
I do not deny that. These sort of | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
decisions rest on the Prime Minister
and it will be her decision to make. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
You will understand the Government
heard you say a minority government, | 0:32:39 | 0:32:45 | |
a small majority, with the DUP -
aren't you going to be causing more | 0:32:45 | 0:32:50 | |
trouble for it? It is about doing
the right thing, like on tax | 0:32:50 | 0:32:57 | |
credits, Universal Credit. The
Conservative Party, I am I frayed, | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
people don't want to hear -- I am
afraid people don't want to hear it, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
but we are a team. Do you support
the hole being plugged in the MoD | 0:33:04 | 0:33:11 | |
budget? The Government is about
priorities and choices. I think in | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
terms of security both of the nation
and of our service personnel when | 0:33:14 | 0:33:19 | |
they are out overseas that is not
something which can be compromised | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
and the money if allocated to other
things needs to be found. Labour | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
said it will stick to the 2%
spending as a proportion of GDP, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:33 | |
even stripping out pensions, do you
support that? If onin i was to push | 0:33:33 | 0:33:38 | |
his group into a situation where
there was a vote in Parliament I | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
think a substantial number of Labour
MPs would support it. We do | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
recognise that for the public this
is absolutely a huge issue. We do, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:51 | |
we should be putting our Armed
Forces at the front of an awful lot | 0:33:51 | 0:33:56 | |
more than we are at the moment. And
I imagine what will happen, because | 0:33:56 | 0:34:02 | |
he's got a good group with him and
there is a minority government, the | 0:34:02 | 0:34:06 | |
DUP I think will wanted to support
more money that's being spent on | 0:34:06 | 0:34:11 | |
defence. This is something where we
will see a way of going back on | 0:34:11 | 0:34:16 | |
what's been said op it. And you may
have the support of the former | 0:34:16 | 0:34:21 | |
Defence Secretary, who said I hope
to find an early opportunity to | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
speak outen the the right level of
defence spending to face the threats | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
our country faces and do so more
freely than the constraints of | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
Government allowed. Is he part of
your cohort? He has an insight into | 0:34:31 | 0:34:37 | |
this. When he was at defence, over
the last six/nine months, he was | 0:34:37 | 0:34:43 | |
saying we should spend more on
defence. When you are a minister | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
your hands are tied. It will be
interesting to get his insight. When | 0:34:46 | 0:34:52 | |
is the crunch moment for you on
this? The review has been pushed | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
back - a new Secretary of State, it
is coming in February. We will look | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
and see where we go from there. This
is not about the drama of | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
rebellions, it is making sure we, as
a party, do the right thing. Thank | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
you. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:12 | |
Let's look now at the other stories
likely to be making the news | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
at Westminster this week. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:16 | |
Tuesday marks the deadline set
by Speaker John Bercow | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
for the Government to publish
the so-called 'Brexit papers', | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
a set of studies examining
the economic impact of Brexit. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
Robin Walker and Chloe Smith,
respectively Brexit | 0:35:23 | 0:35:24 | |
and Northern Ireland Ministers,
will appear in front | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
of the Northern Ireland Committee
hearing about the Irish border | 0:35:28 | 0:35:33 | |
on Wednesday. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
And the PM and Jeremy Corbyn
will also face each other | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
on Wednesday for their weekly
session of PMQs. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:43 | |
The ONS release the migration
statistics in the year | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
ending June 2017 -
the first full year of data | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
since the Brexit referendum
- on Thursday. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
And in the afternoon,
Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
delivers the keynote speech at
the King's Fund annual conference. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
Labour's Afzal Khan will introduce
a Private Member's Bill on Friday | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
that aims to keep the size
of the House of Commons at 650 MPs, | 0:36:03 | 0:36:09 | |
and to abandon the Government's
plans to reduce it to 600. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:15 | |
We're joined now by the journalists
Jessica Elgot from the Guardian | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
and Sam Coates from the Times,
they're enjoying the cold | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
snap on College Green. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:30 | |
The industrial strategy announcement
being talked about on the news, of | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
course and it has been trialled -
has it been blown out of the water | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
by the news of the royal engagement?
Yes. If you were uncharitable you | 0:36:37 | 0:36:42 | |
would say it made so few ripples
before the announcement that I | 0:36:42 | 0:36:48 | |
wasn't sure that Greg Clark isn't
grateful to the royal couple for | 0:36:48 | 0:36:53 | |
making their announcement so he can
tell himself it is not getting much | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
play. The industrial strategy has
been a subject of enormous angst | 0:36:56 | 0:37:01 | |
inside Whitehall. Disproportional
compared to the coverage it gets, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
because surprise, surprise it looks
like it makes incremental reform, if | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
you could call it reform to the way
business interacts with Government | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
and how we help our businesses start
and grow. I think because it's not a | 0:37:13 | 0:37:19 | |
Big Bang thing toy to play with this
morning, it doesn't really get as | 0:37:19 | 0:37:24 | |
much credit in the media as I think
Greg Clark might have wanted. On | 0:37:24 | 0:37:29 | |
that, money is announced -
supporting some of the new | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
industries, AI and some of the tech
industries. Will this not help in | 0:37:33 | 0:37:38 | |
some way to help alleviate some of
the downgrade in productivity and | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
growth? The strategy is something
that Government is supposed to do - | 0:37:42 | 0:37:47 | |
it is hard, boring work, they are
unlikely to get much credit from the | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
public for. The kind of things you
mention, they are dif kurlt for | 0:37:51 | 0:37:56 | |
ordinary people to relate to. You
heard words like "productivity." | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
What does it mean to the average
person who might vote Conservative. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:05 | |
What Greg Clark is talking about is
so people get better skills so they | 0:38:05 | 0:38:10 | |
can earn more mon nif. That is
something which needs to -- more | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
money. That is something which needs
to be got across. Johnny Mercer has | 0:38:13 | 0:38:20 | |
been on the programme sounding
pretty strong and defiant in the | 0:38:20 | 0:38:26 | |
proposaled cuts to defence. It is
Gavin Williamson's first outing | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
today - will he compromise? Will
Phillip ham mond compromise? He gave | 0:38:28 | 0:38:36 | |
the budget in which there was no
mention of defence. The timing is a | 0:38:36 | 0:38:42 | |
little curious that this eruption
from sort of people around the MoD | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
is coming after a big spending and
budgetary statement. There aren't | 0:38:45 | 0:38:51 | |
normally announcements around about
now. So it is interesting to see | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
where this will build to. Built into
the budget numbers last week was a | 0:38:55 | 0:39:00 | |
little bit of forgiveness for some
spending plan for 2019. I wonder if | 0:39:00 | 0:39:05 | |
there is not a little bit of cash
stored up for this announcement? | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
There? But ultimately, it will fall
on the shoulders of Gavin | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
Williamson, as you say. It is his
first big public test. He's never | 0:39:13 | 0:39:19 | |
done a big public role until now. He
has one thing in his favour, which | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
is he knows a lot of backbench
Tories from his previous job as | 0:39:22 | 0:39:28 | |
Chief Whip. Theresa May will be
conscious that people like Johnnie | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
can cause a problem in the media and
the Commons Chamber if they don't | 0:39:31 | 0:39:36 | |
feel they are listened to. That is a
thorny thing to come. Let's move on | 0:39:36 | 0:39:42 | |
to the story that Momentum is asking
Labour Party candidates to sign a | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
contract to say they are supporters
of the organisation campaign - what | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
do you make of this? It is the kind
of thing that is really set to rile | 0:39:50 | 0:39:55 | |
Labour MPs who are not necessarily
natural Momentum sympathisers. If | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
you look at the statement itself, it
is all motherhood and apple pie. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:04 | |
There's not a lot in it that many
could object to. Do you support the | 0:40:04 | 0:40:09 | |
Labour manifesto, do you support an
com I that works for the many, not | 0:40:09 | 0:40:13 | |
the few? There is not much to object
to there. Many are saying to me, | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
hang on a minx obviously we gree to
this because we are Labour MPs. Why | 0:40:17 | 0:40:23 | |
sign up to this external
organisation as well? Momentum has | 0:40:23 | 0:40:29 | |
got the most extraordinary
campaigning manpower. Labour MPs I | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
spoke to over the election said they
were stunned, even ones who are not | 0:40:31 | 0:40:36 | |
sympathetic to Jeremy Corbyn when he
first started as leader, how many | 0:40:36 | 0:40:41 | |
people Momentum could get out in
their constituencies, campaigning | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
for them and leafletting for them. A
lot felt it had a huge impact on the | 0:40:45 | 0:40:50 | |
result at the last election. If it
means for a Labour MP whose seat is | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
not the safest that they lose out on
that manpower if they don't sign | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
this statement, that the a very
powerful tool. Thank you very much | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
for standing out in the cold for us. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:13 | |
By building on the nerge and
enthusiasm of the campaign. Now some | 0:41:17 | 0:41:22 | |
Labour MPs are not happy. Wes
Streeting said, no way am I signing | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
up to outsource my thinking to a
third party organisation. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:31 | |
No-one from Momentum was available.
We are joined by Jo Foster. Isn't it | 0:41:38 | 0:41:47 | |
enough for them to support values -
why sign up to the political | 0:41:47 | 0:41:52 | |
objectives of Momentum It is
important that we look at the fact | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
it is at the selection process. It
is at the selection process. Often | 0:41:55 | 0:42:00 | |
when people go through the selection
process they want to say we want to | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
be your MP. Even for reselected MPs
or those standing again, are you | 0:42:04 | 0:42:10 | |
talking about them being included?
Just the initial selection. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:15 | |
Obviously for any pressure group,
for instance progress or trade | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
unions, if you want the support of
that organisation you need to say | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
you support those aims. As Jessica
said they are very tame. Often | 0:42:21 | 0:42:26 | |
Momentum have been attacked in the
press by Labour MPs and so on. If | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
they want to support an MP it would
be helpful for Momentum to know | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
those MPs support their aims and
will not attack them in the press. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
What do you think of the Stalinist
approach to politics -? If you meet | 0:42:38 | 0:42:46 | |
most Momentum members they range
from 16 to people in their 50s. My | 0:42:46 | 0:42:50 | |
friend's mother is a small sea
Conservative, but backs those | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
values. Will you sign up if you had
to? A lot has been made of this. I | 0:42:54 | 0:42:59 | |
don't think it is particularly
different from what MPs do at the | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
moment, anyway. Momentum has changed
the Labour Party enormously just by | 0:43:02 | 0:43:08 | |
getting so many young people I
voveed and so many people who are -- | 0:43:08 | 0:43:13 | |
involved and so many people,. Many
people who have joined Momentum want | 0:43:13 | 0:43:21 | |
to see the country change and they
supported Jeremy. It is from the | 0:43:21 | 0:43:25 | |
same ones I would have expected. And
you would sign up to it if you were | 0:43:25 | 0:43:29 | |
asked to? We all say certain things
when we are being selected. It | 0:43:29 | 0:43:34 | |
doesn't always mean you vote with
the Labour Party, as Jeremy himself | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
knows. Would you sign it? This is
binding, presumably? To be honest I | 0:43:38 | 0:43:44 | |
cannot read the detail. If it to say
do we support the aims of the Labour | 0:43:44 | 0:43:47 | |
Party and whatever, you know, I
think this has been made a big | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
issue. If it binds you to supporting
everything that Jeremy Corbyn... | 0:43:50 | 0:43:56 | |
Isn't that the point, it is bidding,
you join the campaign of momentum. | 0:43:56 | 0:44:02 | |
Momentum will not turn up at your
house and put you in the back of a | 0:44:02 | 0:44:07 | |
van if you change your vote. Is hate
now a political objective of | 0:44:07 | 0:44:12 | |
Momentum? Because it was said at the
Take Back Conference, make it hate | 0:44:12 | 0:44:21 | |
again. I am full of hate these days.
Another said, I am on team hate. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:25 | |
There was a specific mention of
Phillip May, as someone who should | 0:44:25 | 0:44:30 | |
have loads of hate - is that
acceptable? | 0:44:30 | 0:44:34 | |
I do not disagree -- I do not agree
with that, we are moving away from | 0:44:37 | 0:44:48 | |
the politics which was very
mainstream where all parties were | 0:44:48 | 0:44:53 | |
from the same position, it is being
said that it is OK to disagree with | 0:44:53 | 0:44:59 | |
other people. This is specifically
about hate and being full of it, | 0:44:59 | 0:45:05 | |
when the tone of politics is unkind
to say the least in many quarters, | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
is this the sort of thing which
should be espoused? I think they are | 0:45:08 | 0:45:12 | |
talking more about anger than hate,
unfortunate choice of words, in the | 0:45:12 | 0:45:16 | |
comments they have made, clarified,
they have been quite clear. They do | 0:45:16 | 0:45:21 | |
use the word hate, do you think it
is helpful and healthy. It is one or | 0:45:21 | 0:45:28 | |
two people, I don't think you should
brand everybody on the left or even | 0:45:28 | 0:45:32 | |
in momentum, particularly, in the
same way, but I do think politics | 0:45:32 | 0:45:38 | |
generally and politicians have two
be very careful about the words they | 0:45:38 | 0:45:42 | |
use, because they can be taken out
of context so easily. Mostly, people | 0:45:42 | 0:45:51 | |
who are active and want to change
things get annoyed and angry when | 0:45:51 | 0:45:55 | |
they see policies that are very much
not in the interests... And that is | 0:45:55 | 0:46:01 | |
justifiable, to disagree and in
quite an assertive manner, against | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
the policies that have been seen in
the Tory government, in momentum and | 0:46:03 | 0:46:08 | |
in Labour's mind, that have made
people poorer. There is no problem | 0:46:08 | 0:46:12 | |
with being angry and disagreeing but
the question of whether hate is | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
inappropriate reaction, no, it is
lazy, it is easy, it is harmful, and | 0:46:15 | 0:46:20 | |
at some point, we have to describe
that there is a level below which we | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
will not allow political discourse
to fall. -- have to decide. Does not | 0:46:24 | 0:46:30 | |
mean you cannot campaign march on
the streets, does not mean you | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
should count yourself, but you carry
yourself with a certain level of | 0:46:33 | 0:46:40 | |
respect. This is a Christmas card
you received. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
That is nothing to what I have been
called! I just ignore them really. I | 0:46:50 | 0:46:55 | |
have been called that they would
like to string me up, all sorts of | 0:46:55 | 0:46:59 | |
things, therefore this came in,
politicians have always got certain | 0:46:59 | 0:47:04 | |
amounts of abuse. Perhaps it got
more during the whole referendum | 0:47:04 | 0:47:11 | |
campaign and since actually I think
it has got worse since but my view | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
on all of that, I don't go running
off to the police because I get an | 0:47:14 | 0:47:20 | |
e-mail saying... Should MPs be
careful? I want to comment upon | 0:47:20 | 0:47:24 | |
that, I have big issues with what
Kato said, I am a Scottish | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
Conservative, I'm used to this sort
of stuff unless I'm being chased | 0:47:28 | 0:47:32 | |
down the street with pitchforks but
this is the first time my | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
constituency staff have felt
uncomfortable and the first time my | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
wife said she feels frightened. Kate
and I are in Westminster three or | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
four days a week, safe, but staff
and families are not. Simply saying | 0:47:42 | 0:47:46 | |
it is part of the job, get on with
it, ignores the fact there is people | 0:47:46 | 0:47:50 | |
around us who do not deserve this.
Should they be called traitors and | 0:47:50 | 0:47:55 | |
mutineers on your side, and then,
the abuse that has come from the | 0:47:55 | 0:48:00 | |
remains eyed about calling people on
the Leave side stupid, ignorant, | 0:48:00 | 0:48:04 | |
bigoted -- remain side. It is
exactly what we saw in Scotland | 0:48:04 | 0:48:10 | |
following independence referendum,
so it is not surprising, the | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
divisions are heated and unpleasant.
As politicians we have a duty to | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
moderate language with the way that
we speak to one another and | 0:48:17 | 0:48:20 | |
oppressed to a certain extent does,
people take their lead from that and | 0:48:20 | 0:48:23 | |
if you say, just get on with it, it
is nothing, it lends an air of | 0:48:23 | 0:48:28 | |
acceptability. In terms of calling
people traitors, betraying the will | 0:48:28 | 0:48:32 | |
of the British people, did that mean
someone is a traitor? This was a | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
phrase you used in the Commons in
September. You said anyone voting | 0:48:36 | 0:48:41 | |
against Brexit is betraying the will
of the British people. That is not | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
calling them a traitor. Does it lend
itself to that kind of language? I | 0:48:44 | 0:48:50 | |
was saying it in a perfectly
acceptable reasonable tone of voice | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
if I recall, but, I... I feel
strongly that all the attention has | 0:48:53 | 0:49:00 | |
gone on those, as if it is coming
from the Leave side, and in fact, | 0:49:00 | 0:49:07 | |
just because some of us have not
gone public, like one of your | 0:49:07 | 0:49:12 | |
colleagues did, about the abuse she
got, it is almost as if we do not | 0:49:12 | 0:49:16 | |
get abuse... No abuse should be
accepted. Let's leave it there. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:24 | |
Do you ever feel you've had
enough of elections? | 0:49:26 | 0:49:28 | |
Not a view we'd subscribe
to on this programme, | 0:49:28 | 0:49:30 | |
but how about getting rid of voting,
and politicians, and letting | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
the public decide how
to govern the country? | 0:49:33 | 0:49:35 | |
Here's the political writer
Paul Evans with his soapbox. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:41 | |
The ballot-box doesn't give
us a very good way | 0:49:52 | 0:49:54 | |
of telling Government what we want
them to do, does it? | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
It allows politicians
to treat us like dummies. | 0:49:57 | 0:49:59 | |
In elections, we're only allowed
to say what it is we think | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
that we want in advance. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:10 | |
Businesses don't survive
by giving people what | 0:50:10 | 0:50:11 | |
they say that they want. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:12 | |
As as Henry Ford allegedly
said, "If I asked my | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
customers what they wanted,
they would have asked | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
for a faster horse." | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
If we were redesigning democracy
now, we'd do it very differently, | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
wouldn't we? | 0:50:23 | 0:50:25 | |
One change that I would like to see
is for all of us to have | 0:50:25 | 0:50:29 | |
ownership and equal
control over the whole | 0:50:29 | 0:50:30 | |
of the public sphere, | 0:50:30 | 0:50:31 | |
not just one vote every few years. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
I'd like to have a personal
democracy budget, | 0:50:33 | 0:50:35 | |
say £20 a month, where
we could each allocate | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
the money that is spent
in the whole of the policymaking | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
microeconomy of lawmaking
and Government. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:50 | |
Not just on MRs, but think-tanks,
civil servants, lobbyists and even | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
the ownership and direction
of the media. | 0:50:53 | 0:51:01 | |
No more press Barons,
dark money, or stealthy bank | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
rolling of lobbyists. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:10 | |
Could even replace politicians
and political parties with agents | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
who bid to manage all or part
of our monthly personal | 0:51:14 | 0:51:19 | |
democracy budget for us. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:20 | |
We could move our budget
around at any time. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:23 | |
It would be the job of these agents
to keep their customers satisfied | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
by working to ensure that we get
the quality of Government | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
that we want, and if they don't,
they lose the business. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:32 | |
It's as simple as that. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
So it's time for us to close down
these polling stations, | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
get rid of these ballot pencils
and start doing democracy | 0:51:38 | 0:51:40 | |
properly, because we're not
headless dummies, are we? | 0:51:40 | 0:51:48 | |
Paul joins us now. You say in your
book that these ideas may be seen as | 0:51:55 | 0:52:00 | |
a provocation, maybe an
understatement... How would it work? | 0:52:00 | 0:52:09 | |
Imagine we were starting from
scratch, we know everything we know | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
now about how feedback loops work
and how people make choices and all | 0:52:12 | 0:52:18 | |
of the flaws in representative
democracy and the flaws in direct | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
democracy, referendums, if we were
doing things again, we would do them | 0:52:21 | 0:52:26 | |
differently and I think this is the
way we would do it. Getting rid of | 0:52:26 | 0:52:30 | |
the ballot box and not having
elections, how would that make it | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
better? I'm not proposing to take
control from people, I'm proposing | 0:52:33 | 0:52:38 | |
to give a much greater layer of
control. A ballot paper, one square | 0:52:38 | 0:52:42 | |
on the box every four years, and
that is the only input you have, | 0:52:42 | 0:52:47 | |
alternatively, politicians choose
and cherry pick a subject, offer us | 0:52:47 | 0:52:51 | |
a rough and on it and all of a
sudden that is what we are stuck | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
with. I'm proposing that we need to
have total ownership, shared | 0:52:54 | 0:52:58 | |
ownership over the whole of the
public sphere. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:01 | |
Not just MPs, we have seen that a
lot of MPs, Margaret Beckett, for | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
instance, stood... The Article 50
vote, she said, I will be voting for | 0:53:07 | 0:53:13 | |
this bill, although I fear it's
consequences both for the economy | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
and for the whole of society are
potentially catastrophic... She has | 0:53:16 | 0:53:22 | |
been 40 years in Parliament, 40
years, and she doesn't yet know what | 0:53:22 | 0:53:26 | |
her job is! The first job of a
politician is not to vote for | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
something that you think is going to
be catastrophic! It doesn't matter | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
what an opinion poll says,
politicians this is the argument, I | 0:53:32 | 0:53:38 | |
would have thought every politician
would have had it drilled into them, | 0:53:38 | 0:53:42 | |
the day that they stood for
Parliament, yet MPs... Imagine if | 0:53:42 | 0:53:47 | |
someone had taken out an insurance
policy, paying it for 40 years, the | 0:53:47 | 0:53:51 | |
day the disaster happens, they find,
no, I am not jumping in to help you. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:56 | |
What you think of that description
as MPs taking their responsibility | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
in the way it has been outlined. I
think they take them incredibly | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
seriously. Why do they vote for
things they do not believe in? I | 0:54:03 | 0:54:07 | |
think you are misunderstanding what
goes on in Parliament, lots of | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
things happen, especially between
individuals... Do you think signing | 0:54:10 | 0:54:15 | |
Article 50 was good for the country?
I wasn't in Parliament at the time. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:19 | |
I was, I voted for it, I did, I did
believe it. I am not clear how this | 0:54:19 | 0:54:25 | |
is better, because you are talking
about agents, who will appoint the | 0:54:25 | 0:54:29 | |
agents, how often are they change?
What happens if they don't do what | 0:54:29 | 0:54:33 | |
you say, you are replacing the words
MPs with agents. All questions | 0:54:33 | 0:54:37 | |
answered in my book! LAUGHTER
From all good book-sellers... In a | 0:54:37 | 0:54:43 | |
few seconds, try to put a little bit
of flesh on the bones. Well... I did | 0:54:43 | 0:54:48 | |
a back of a fact packet calculation.
The public sphere costs £15 billion | 0:54:48 | 0:54:54 | |
a year to run, every civil servant,
every lobbyist, all these think | 0:54:54 | 0:54:57 | |
tank, all this dark money that comes
in from an adaptable think tanks | 0:54:57 | 0:55:02 | |
like the Adam Smith Institute and
the Institute for Economic Affairs, | 0:55:02 | 0:55:06 | |
-- Adam Smith think tank. -- comes
in from think tanks. They are not | 0:55:06 | 0:55:13 | |
here to answer the accusation that
they are accepting dark money. I do | 0:55:13 | 0:55:17 | |
run a website which looks at the
opaque funding of a lot of things, | 0:55:17 | 0:55:23 | |
whofundsyou, is the website. If they
voted Conservative, for the DUP, who | 0:55:23 | 0:55:28 | |
voted for that, for the DUP to be
part of a confidence and supply | 0:55:28 | 0:55:33 | |
vote. People vote at an election
based on the candidates and party | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
platforms that are there, it is what
the result is, the leader of the | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
largest party, there to form a
government. So you thought it was | 0:55:40 | 0:55:44 | |
good value for money? Nothing
unconstitutional about what the | 0:55:44 | 0:55:48 | |
government did, Labour would have
done the same if they had the DUP to | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
support them. We will end it there,
and you very much for coming in, | 0:55:51 | 0:55:55 | |
good luck! -- thank you. | 0:55:55 | 0:56:00 | |
It's still November,
so most of you probably won't have | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
thought about putting
up your Christmas decorations. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:06 | |
But here in Westminster they're
a particularly festive bunch, | 0:56:06 | 0:56:08 | |
and this weekend the tree went up
outside the Houses of Parliament. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
The Sitka spruce, which is rather
larger than the one in the average | 0:56:11 | 0:56:14 | |
living room, travelled 330 miles
from a forest in Northumberland, | 0:56:14 | 0:56:17 | |
and took the whole day to put up. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
Well we're joined now
by Tanya Nesbitt-Rex, | 0:56:19 | 0:56:20 | |
she's the Christmas Tree Manager
from the Forestry Commission, | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
which must be one of the best job
titles in the country. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:25 | |
She's in our Leeds studio. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:27 | |
Very exciting that the Christmas
tree has gone up, tell us about this | 0:56:27 | 0:56:29 | |
spruce. We are really excited that
it has gone down again this year, | 0:56:29 | 0:56:33 | |
16th year in a that the tree has
come from the forest in | 0:56:33 | 0:56:39 | |
Northumberland, it was identified
one year ago, that tree, and it has | 0:56:39 | 0:56:43 | |
been growing on open ground, and it
has been allowed to flourish, | 0:56:43 | 0:56:48 | |
created a nice tree that we have
managed to transport down there this | 0:56:48 | 0:56:52 | |
year. What is special about this
Sitka spruce? Why is it the right | 0:56:52 | 0:56:58 | |
tree to have outside the Houses of
Parliament? It has been growing in | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
open ground plots, has not been
growing in a plantation, has been | 0:57:00 | 0:57:04 | |
allowed to spread and the branches
have got stronger, so actually, once | 0:57:04 | 0:57:09 | |
we manoeuvre it, it is 45 foot high,
quite a large tree to move, and we | 0:57:09 | 0:57:15 | |
are transporting a 313 miles, so we
need it to be a good quality tree. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:20 | |
How may people does it take to put
up? I'm not sure, actually, we just | 0:57:20 | 0:57:25 | |
take it on the truck. We leave it
there! We leave it for them to put | 0:57:25 | 0:57:31 | |
up. Have you seen it up yet? I have
seen the photos, I think it is a | 0:57:31 | 0:57:36 | |
really nice tree, we are really
pleased with it. Have you seen it | 0:57:36 | 0:57:40 | |
yet? I hope that it is straight, I
hate it when you see the top going | 0:57:40 | 0:57:45 | |
slightly to the right to the left.
Perhaps you could volunteer to help | 0:57:45 | 0:57:49 | |
to see if is straight. Your first
time really. Yes, actually, I had | 0:57:49 | 0:57:54 | |
been down to Westminster before I
was elected but yes, I wonder if we | 0:57:54 | 0:57:59 | |
can do home visits. LAUGHTER
Thank you very much for joining us. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:03 | |
Have a happy Christmas, even if it
is a little early to say. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:09 | |
There's just time before we go
to find out the answer to our quiz, | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
and sticking with the Christmas
theme the question was which party | 0:58:12 | 0:58:15 | |
leader has their own annual
out for Christmas... | 0:58:15 | 0:58:17 | |
A) Theresa May
b) Vince Cable | 0:58:17 | 0:58:18 | |
c) Jeremy Corbyn
or, | 0:58:18 | 0:58:20 | |
d) Arlene Foster. | 0:58:20 | 0:58:22 | |
So what's the correct answer? | 0:58:22 | 0:58:25 | |
Jeremy! Did you say that because you
saw on the front of the two | 0:58:29 | 0:58:35 | |
annuals... Look, you can have one as
well. I'm sure you will be very | 0:58:35 | 0:58:39 | |
pleased, and there is one for you.
Goodbye from all of us here, they | 0:58:39 | 0:58:45 | |
can look through their annuals. You
are going to be reading that one! | 0:58:45 | 0:58:50 | |
Let's have a look inside... | 0:58:50 | 0:58:52 |