Andrew Neil is joined by international trade minister Greg Hands and shadow transport secretary Andy McDonald to review Prime Minister's Questions and discuss Brexit negotiations.
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It was rejected by Ulster's
but was the deal the Prime Minister
was about to do with the EU
on Monday also toxic
for many of Theresa May's Tory
The Irish Republic says
they got what it wanted
from the Prime Minister
on the Irish border.
But will a commitment
on business regulations extend
across the Irish Sea to the rest
of the UK?
Labour want to borrow billions more
which they say they'll
spend on infrastructure,
but will the extra borrowing
really pay for itself?
As if there wasn't enough
on Theresa May's agenda,
she faces a packed
Commons at 12 o'clock.
We'll bring you Prime
Minister's Questions - live.
All that in the next 90 minutes,
and they were looking for a couple
of C list celebrities to turn
on the lights on the Downing Street
Christmas tree today
but they didn't get the gig,
so they've decided to
be with us instead -
Shadow Transport Secretary,
Andy MacDonald and International
Trade Minister, Greg Hands.
Welcome to you both.
First today, remember those
Brexit Impact assessments
that the Brexit department
were supposed to be working up -
57, or was it 58, of them?
Well, it turns out they
don't exist after all.
Here's what the Brexit Secretary,
David Davis, had to say
to MPs on the select
committee this morning.
Just to be clear, has the Government
undertaken any impact assessments
on the implications of leaving
the EU for different sectors...
Not in sectors.
Of the economy.
What we do have, not do have,
the Treasury, of course,
have an OBR forecast,
which has an implication,
that's pretty crude.
That's done from the...
The average, I think,
of all the external forecast impacts
on the economy and so on.
So there's nothing, there's no
sort of system I think,
So the answer to the question is no.
The answer to the question is no,
Greg Hands, yet last December David
Davis said we've carried or are in
the midst of carrying out 57 sets of
Andrew, we've done what
Parliament asked us to do, which was
to publish what we had, subject to
retaining any information that might
Do they exist? To the
UK's negotiating position strap I
What exists is what has
Other 57? I haven't
seen a number counted the number...
He said there aren't any.
published what Parliament asked us
The important thing is
ministers tell the truth. In
December he said he was carrying out
57 Central analyses and today he
says there aren't any. Both
statements cannot be right.
the difference is what one defines
as being a sector. The point is,
what Parliament asked us to publish,
these analyses have been published
now. The difference is whether they
relate specifically to a set of
sectors or not. But that is like a
degree of undergrowth that I
think... The important thing is the
government is getting on with the
Really, that's going
really well, isn't it? We will come
onto that in a minute. I want to
clarify once and for all. He said
they had done sector analysis this
morning. In December, last December
he said they had. What is it?
statements cannot be true. It
depends what you mean by a sector
and a sectoral analysis.
talking about 57.
We have published
what is out there.
Difficult to say
precisely what a sector is, in terms
of the analysis today when he said
appearing before the select
He knew enough about them
two weeks ago to say they contained
cruciate in detail.
Some aspects is
quite detailed, and some details
which might be damaging to the UK in
the negotiations, really important,
no one would want UK to be damaged
in the negotiation.
I'm not asking
whether they should be published or
not, that is another issue and we've
debated on this programme. I'm
trying to get from you, Minister of
the Crown, a member of the Cabinet,
if they exist or not.
I'm not a
member of the Cabinet but what I can
say is what Parliament asked us to
publish has been published, whether
they are 5758 specific sectors is a
matter of different interpretation.
Why did he tell the select committee
sectoral analysis, they don't exist.
Looking at sector by sector analysis
in a very closed and compartmental
way, that does not exist.
said they did only a few weeks ago.
He said analysis existed but not
necessarily in the way you have
described it all the way Hilary
This is incredible, no
wonder politicians get a bad name,
if you can't even answer a question
like are their 57 central analysis
There is a set of analyses
which have been published, redacted
where necessary to protect the UK's
negotiating position. That is the
I don't think I
need to come to you on this, I will
come to you later on.
Now, Leavers promised that the UK
would be able to free
itself of burdensome EU
regulation after Brexit.
You heard that during the referendum
But have Theresa May and David Davis
allowed resolving issues over
the Irish border to put pay
to those hopes?
Here's Elizabeth to explain.
Thank you, Andrew Foster
At the heart of the issue
is the UK's border
with the Republic of Ireland.
Currently people and goods move
freely across as many as 275
crossing points along
the 310 mile border.
There are no customs controls
or border posts because the rules
of the EU's single market mean goods
can move freely.
Both countries adhere to broadly
the same rules and regulations
which are set by the EU.
But after Brexit, the UK
could diverge from those
rules and regulations -
so EU law would require the Republic
of Ireland to check goods
as they cross the border.
Now, Dublin fears that any physical
Border could undermine
the Good Friday Agreement that
brought peace to Northern Ireland
after years of conflict.
Many in the north are
also very concerned.
The Irish government has made
preventing a so called
"hard border" a red line
in the Brexit negotiations.
On Monday, the two sides seemed
near agreement with the promise
of "regulatory alignment"
after Brexit, in the absence
of any other agreement.
That would mean the same rules
and regulations applying on both
sides of the border,
with no need for customs controls.
But, as we know, the DUP -
who Theresa May relies on to prop
up her minority government -
has rejected any solution
which treats Northern Ireland
differently to the rest of the UK.
Yesterday, the Brexit Secretary told
the Commons that "regulatory
alignment" would actually apply
right across the UK .
But that prospect has enraged many
Leave supporters who believe
tackling what they see
as "burdensome regulation"
is the key to making
a success of Brexit.
thank you for that. Greg Hands, let
me come to you again, before we get
onto the substance of this. Let me
ask, did nobody in the government
think to run this agreement passed
I don't know the ins and
outs of that conversation. We speak
to the DUP on a regular basis. What
I would say, the objective here is
everyone has the same objective,
between both the Irish government,
I will come onto that.
The DUP keeps you in power. You've
done a deal with them, you are a
minority government and you need DUP
votes to stay in power. Here is a
crucial part of the Brexit
negotiations, directly affecting the
DUP, which the DUP have strong views
on. Did nobody Ramis agreement
passed the DUP before the Minister
agreed to sign it?
I'm not going to
comment on the individual workings
of how the government discussions
with other parties in parliament
That is something to do
with the internal workings of
It clearly didn't, the
DUP said they didn't see it until
the last minute, that's why Theresa
May had to leave her lunch with
Jean-Claude Juncker. You didn't show
There's been a lot of
misunderstanding about what is meant
I will come onto
alignment. Will you just finish, can
we agree that you didn't run it past
the DUP, not you personally, the
government didn't do and that is why
it is in the mess it is today?
won't comment on the internal
workings of the government with DUP.
On regulatory alignment, in the
agreement, does that refer only to
Northern Ireland or to the UK?
the word alignment refers to is the
North-South aspects of cooperation
in the Belfast agreement, the Good
Friday Agreement. It does not refer
to the customs union or to the
single market. That is where the
misunderstanding has occurred.
does the agreement, still can it --
and maybe UK to regulatory alignment
only for Northern Ireland or for all
of the UK?
That is something that is
part of those talks with the
European Union at the moment.
The important thing on
the alignment, it doesn't refer to
the customs union single market, it
refers to the north-south areas of
cooperation in the Belfast
Sitting here today, after
the Prime Minister has been unable
to sign this agreement, but it does
exist, you cannot tell our viewers
is regulatory alignment refers to
the whole of the UK?
No, I'm saying
the phrase alignment on Monday and
Tuesday referred to the north-south
aspects of the Belfast agreement.
why did David Davis say in the
Commons, then, that everything we
talked about referred to the whole
of the UK?
That was not in reference
to the alignment but the UK's
future, the customs union and single
Not that people are clear
what it means... But let me ask you
a more specific question. If the
deal refers to Northern Ireland to
staying aligned of the EU on those
matters in the Good Friday
Agreement, like energy and
agriculture, are those elements in
the Good Friday Agreement, does it
apply to the rest of the UK?
will be nothing that endangers the
territorial integrity of the United
I didn't ask that.
lot of this is still flowing, still
being discussed and still being
debated. I am confident we will get
to a good position.
You may be but
you cannot answer a simple question.
I'm talking about the alignment
This is about the single market,
about the customs union, because
this government has decided it is
going to leave membership of both.
It is having to come up with
arrangements to Saint Northern
Ireland or to accommodate Northern
Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.
Though they are quite fundamental
things. And Labour's position, when
John McDonnell says we must leave
the single market, and Keir Starmer
says we should stay in the single
market, who speaks for Labour?
the whole point is that David Davis
offered us the exact self same
benefits of the European Union. So
we are into this situation now where
the government have asked their
principled partner in this
government about the arrangements...
I understand that. I asked you not
about the government but Labour. I
will ask you again, when John
McDonnell says we must leave the
single market and Keir Starmer says
we should stay in the single market,
who speaks for Labour?
self-evident when you leave the
European Union you are leaving the
single market and the customs union.
That is de facto. It's getting to a
possession which is near as dammit
it which gives us as benefits, and
what Keir setup very clearly is we
should not be removing those
options. If you just take them off
the table, you just remove the
opportunity to have that discussion.
Keir Starmer says we should stay in
the single market.
That remains a
possibility, but we de facto come
out of the European Union on the
day. If we can have a transition
period that keeps us in the single
market and the customs union for the
duration of the transitional period,
that makes eminent sense to me, to
allow us to negotiate something that
will accommodate our ambitions, much
aligned with David Davis' comments.
When Derek Gardner says staying in
the customs union would be a
disaster, and Keir Starmer says we
should stay in the customs union,
who is right?
We are saying that the
option of staying in the union
shouldn't be removed at this stage.
Gardner says it will be a disaster?
I'm not sure, I don't know where
that has come from.
There may have been words that led
up to that, you are giving them to
me in isolation. What I am saying to
you is the transitional period we
have promoted keeps that available.
Can I just point out, with these two
issues coming up in the Commons,
Jeremy Corbyn whipped Labour MPs to
vote against the single market and
against the customs union. He
whipped them. And those that defy
the whip, the rebels, were fired. To
give them he did that and now we're
being told we can stay in the single
market, what on earth is Labour's
Simply as I have set out,
that we should have a transitional
period, where the environment, the
regulatory environment is exactly
the same as it is now, define that
time to negotiate a settlement that
the United Kingdom.
Why vote against
it if you are now in favour of it?
There was a vote two weeks ago.
were people sacked for voting for
membership of the single market when
you and I -- are now saying its
To lay it down at
that stage of the redline. I think
government is calling the Labour
Party in chaos given the nonsense in
their last 48 hours is quite
frankly... The kettle black.
try one time, if you are so much in
favour of the single, membership of
the single market, why were MPs who
voted in favour of it fired by
That was the only option available
to us at that time, was deemed to be
the wrong decision for us. At the
time. So, perfectly proper for us to
hold that position...
Can you give
any example of a country that is a
member of the single market, but
doesn't have free movement?
people - Norway have their own
arrangements. Sglt they have free
movement. We have to, we are a
different economy. We are...
is no example. The price of
membership is free movement. Isn't
Free movement - it goes, it's
for us to write our immigration
policy as we see fits our economy,
rather than just simply draw -
pulling up the drawer bridge and
damming the economy.
difference between regulatory
alignment and regulatory
The difference is
whether you mutually recognise each
other's regulations or whether you
actually make those regulations
broadly the same.
But wouldn't we
have to recognise their regulations
under the deal that your Prime
Minister is going to sign?
free trade agreements operate in
different ways. You can agree
mutually to recognise each other's
regulations without necessarily
having the same regulations.
wanted to cut our corporation tax to
10% would that fall within alignment
or be outside alignment?
moment we could if we wanted to cut
our corporation tax to 10% as full
members of the European Union.
this agreement would it be?
no way that the agreement is going
to prevent us doing an activity that
we could do at the moment whilst we
are in the European Union, Andrew.
OK. We will leave it there. No doubt
we will come back to it, because all
this is still unresolved. No sign of
the Prime Minister going back to
Brussels tomorrow, yet. She's got
until the weekend.
Over the last few weeks,
John McDonnell has been
using his post-budget interviews
to set out Labour's
economic strategy -
borrowing hundreds of billions
of pounds for infrastructure
spending, nationalising key
industries like rail and water
and also buying back PFI contracts.
But the Shadow Chancellor has
repeatedly refused to put a number
on what all that would cost
and exactly how much more it
would cost in debt repayments.
Let's take a look.
How much is that going to cost?
Right, what we've said,
and this is very clear-cut,
and I said it before,
when you take them over...
I'm looking for a number, John.
OK, well, you don't need a number.
By how much does the economy need
to grow for your plans to work?
Let me just go through them,
because people need to understand
what we're saying, because a lot
of figures being bandied around.
I'm just looking for one.
OK, I'll give you a figure.
What we're saying if we invest £250
billion over a 10-year programme,
so about 25 billion a year.
How much do we now spend on paying
the interest of our national debt?
A lot, a lot.
Well I'll give you the figure,
I'll send you a note on the figure.
You don't know?
Well, I know the figure,
but I haven't got it in front of me.
I'll send it.
You tell me now.
If you were elected today, how much
above 48 billion would we pay
to service our debt next year?
It's absolutely minimum because it
would be returned rapidly to you,
and that's about investment...
What's the figure?
I'm telling you, it pays for itself.
Have you got a number
for us now, roughly
of what the interest bill would be?
No, let me explain to
you, Robert, if I can.
The point I'm trying to get at,
is that we do not want figures
bandied around about future
rates at a later date,
that will then be used to frighten
people off from properly
We all understand that the figure
will shift, depending on the share
price and other factors,
but why don't you just tell us how
much it would cost right now?
Because the debate is about
whether or not it is cost-effective.
All I'm asking for is how much
would it cost today,
to do what you're proposing?
It would be cost free
because it pays for itself.
Well, you are the Shadow Transport
Secretary, and I assume that a lot
of the infrastructure spending that
your Shadow Chancellor talked about
would fall into your area, a better
transport infrastructure, but we
also need to know how much more we
are going to borrow. You are going
to borrow £250 billion over a period
of time for infrastructure. You are
going to borrow to nationalise, that
could be another couple of hundred
billion. You are going to take the
PFI contracts back under state
control, that's another couple of
100 billion. Roughly how much a year
extra would you have to borrow to do
all of this?
Well, in transport, we
will bring the railway back into
public ownership and that will cost
us zero, Andrew.
Because you will
wait for the leases to expire?
and we will stop giving £2 billion
bail outs to stagecoach and virgin
like they did last week.
be able to do that with water
because it's assets you are buying
there. You won't be able to do that
with energy. So when you add it
together how much extra borrowing
will you need to do?
to say. Can you tell me what the
cost of the water companies will be
I can tell you what the
cost is now, they've a market cap
and there could be an election next
year. You are on election footing,
you could be implementing this next
year, you must have a ball park
figure to know you are going to have
to go to the bond markets to borrow
all of this, we are already
borrowing a ton of money. We have 1.
8 trillion of national debt. How
much more would you borrow?
can't put a figure on that at the
moment. It's not possible to do it.
It's a menu without prices?
point being you are acquiring an
asset and you have that, it's a
neutral transaction and you are
getting income from that asset.
People are sick and tired of getting
ripped off by energy companies. They
want gas coming into the cooker,
they want to switch the light on.
You may be acquiring the asset but
you are borrowing to acquire that
asset and I am asking how much will
you have to borrow to do so?
can't say. John's given a clear
He's not given an answer at
He has addressed it
fundamentally. It's the principles
of acquiring the asset. It will cost
what it costs, it's a question of
negotiation at the relevant time. We
are not in Government, Andrew.
could well be in Government within
the next six months.
your party is on an election
footing. At the very least you are
going to borrow £25 billion a year
for infrastructure spending, could
be another 20, 25 billion for...
get a return, if you are investing
in infrastructure, you know that you
get a benefit cost ratio that grows
our economy, grows our tax...
the economy, you don't get that
get the money back into the
Government coffers. All the economic
People employed, being
more product yut.
How do you know it
will cost, you still have to cover
the cost of borrowing.
You do, you
also have an income stream from the
assets you have acquired. It works
With that income stream on
all these industries you said to
nationalise, you said the consumer
is being ripped off, so you are
going to cut prices, that will
reduce the income stream. For a
start. Hold on.
Don't you think...
You cannot slash prices, increase
investment, and pay the interest on
the debt. How could you do that?
Lifting people out of inequality and
Answer the question.
the fundamental. When people are
getting ripped off...
falling back on rhetoric. I am
It's more than
It is, because everybody
will be poorer if you can't finance
this debt. And you can't get the
bonds away. So I ask again, how can
you slash prices as you promised to
do, increase investment and generate
the revenue that is will finance and
service the debt? How can you do
If you don't have shareholders
to owe way and -- obey and serve,
you have an asset in that hand. You
have the borrowing to acquire the
asset and the revenue stream comes
in. It's not difficult.
bond holders. You will have bond
holders whose debt you will have to
And if you cannot do
that well, or you issue too many,
the bond prices will collapse and
they will dump the bonds. So you
have to service the debt.
to get it right. You have to get the
price of it right.
get that discussion here and now
about what the precision of this is
going to be. It's impossible. But
the basic principle is utterly
sound. It's one that we will follow
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and that can mean only one thing...
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Questions is on its way.
It will be interesting given what's
happening. Here to set the scene is
Laura Kuenssberg. I understand the
Prime Minister has spoken to Arlene
Foster of the DUP in Belfast, I
assume she was?
They have, they have
finally had the promised phone call,
there has not as I understand it
been much progress. I don't think
the phone call has changed the
situation. It is still possible
there could be progress by the
weekend. It is still also possible
that there will not. As one DUP
source said to me yesterday, our
approach to deadlines is always they
are there to be broken. Which of
course is not the approach that the
Government has taken or the EU has
taken in all of this. As I
understand it, there is still some
distance between the two sides. By
having had the conversation it will
at least save the Prime Minister
have the embarrassment of being
asked have you spoken, even spoken
to your ally Arlene Foster and
having to say no, which would have
been a humiliating moment.
hope Corbyn's people are on the
ball. He can't avoid this now, can
he? It would be strange if he
didn't. Historically, we have often
been surprised that he hasn't chosen
to talk about Brexit. Of course
Labour's own divisions confusions
their critics would say on the
departure of the European Union are
often what have held him back from
this subject. Last week he did go on
it and if he doesn't today given the
scale of the events of the last 72
hours that would be strange. It's
not like he hasn't got any material.
Have you got to the bottom yet of
why the Government, number 10
Downing Street, did not run this
draft agreement past the DUP before
preparing to sign it?
There are a
variety of reasons here. I am told
that the Chief Whip on Monday
morning had told Theresa May that he
believed the DUP was squared off.
That's something that hasn't been
officially confirmed but I am told
that conversation took place. I am
also told that they believed and the
DUP had believed also that the level
of communication between the two
sides was quite good, certainly at
the end of last week they felt that
they had been in the loop, they were
feeling that things were kept from
them, but over the sort of frantic
course of the weekend of the
officialdom doing it, somehow they
seem to have slipped out of the
loop. Now people close to David
Davis would say he was frozen out of
the process, it was being done by
officials, by Number 10. But clearly
there was not that level of
political oversight because again it
is suggested that he would have seen
it would have been a problem for the
DUP. Classically in this kind of
situation he is responsible for the
department that's meant to be
delivering Brexit and Theresa May is
the one directing the officials in
Number 10. So ultimately there
Also the one that did the
deal with the DUP. She put this
coalition together. Does she know
what you stands for in DUP? This was
almost certain to be like a red rag
to a bull to the DUP.
thing about it is how, from the
DUP's side, their belief is the
whole premise of the final text was
wrong-headed, it comes at it from
saying Northern Ireland and the EU
will have a different relationship.
It's a broad understanding of the
document to the rest of the UK. To
them that's always going to be an
anathema. Anything that appears to
pull them closer to Dublin away from
Westminster and the rest of the UK,
that's not on. Seems like a real
What bit of politics in
GCSE did Downing Street not get?
There is an interesting dilemma here
and a few Tory MPs I have spoken to
the last couple of days have been
making that point. The new and
improved number ten sten is more
efficient than at the start of this
session but are missing a very
important element of political
oversight and it may well they were
so franticly focussing on trying to
get the deal done this week because
it's hugely important to them, that
they miscalculated but I have been
told conversation is happening with
senior MPs and Number 10 at the
start of this week and on Monday
through the day when it became clear
this was unravelling being told this
is not going to fly and Number 10
sources saying to those MPs it will
be fine, we think we can sell it.
They couldn't even sell it their
their own allies.
It's such a fly in
the ointment. I have read this
15-page agreement now. On the money
she could sell that to the
Brexiteers. There is no upfront lump
sum. It is spread out over a number
And this is the key thing,
On the EU
citizenship it is that the British
courts can consult with the ECJ,
take into account some of the
rulings. It's not a mandate that the
ECJ has to be involved. On this
final one in which the DUP was more
interested than anything else, for
the reasons you have given for the
status, she doesn't do it. It's
amazing. Let's see what Jeremy
Corbyn can find out about it.
The question tabled by the
honourable member for Lichfield,
relating to economic performance and
public services in the West
Midlands, question five, has in Eire
been omitted from the printed copies
of the order paper. -- has been in
error. A corrigendum has been made
available in the vote office, and
copies are on the table. Order,
questions to the Prime Minister.
Thank you, question
The Prime Minister.
Mr Speaker, I'm sure the whole house
will wish to join me in offering
condolences to the family, friends
and colleagues of police constable
James Dixon from Thames Valley
Police, who was killed while on
motorcycle duty yesterday, and also
to the family and friends of the
passenger car involved in the
collision. I'm sure the House would
like to join me in offering
condolences to family and friends of
the former member of this house who
was a former miner and strong voice
of Lanarkshire in this place for
nearly 30 years. This morning I had
meetings with ministerial colleagues
and others, and I shall have further
such meetings later today.
My constituent Kate has run a
successful nursery for over 14
years, but after two months on the
Government's funding for three and
four-year-old she says she can't
make it work, she's having to sell
her home to pay her staff
redundancies. Over 1000 nurseries
have already closed and 58% say they
cannot continue. If nurseries close,
parents can't work. Please will the
Prime Minister meet with me and
nursery owners to discuss such
widespread and critical problems?
Well, I can say to the honourable
lady that I have indeed recently met
with some nursery owners looking at
this issue, and they've given a very
clear message that actually there
are parts of the country where Local
Authorities are operating the system
very efficiently are very well and
there are parts of the country where
that is not happening. Of course,
what underpins this is the decision
taken by this government to improve
the childcare offer for parents, so
that they actually have a better
opportunity and ensure their
children get the childcare they
Will the Prime Minister give a quick
update on the Brexit negotiations
and does she agree with me that post
It's crucial that we enhance skills
and apprenticeships in the
construction housing sector and does
she agree that now is not the time
for the construction training board
to be proposing to close their site
in West Norfolk, putting at risk 600
jobs in a rural area? Will she make
me to discuss this and will she help
me in my campaign?
Can I say to my honourable friend
that he is a great champion for his
constituency. He's been a great
supporter of the CI TB at Birch. I'm
happy to support his campaign, I
wish him well and I'm happy to meet
him. He asked about Brexit and, of
course, what we're doing in the
Brexit negotiations is ensuring we
can indeed build those houses and
build that country for the future
that we to seek, and the principles
we are working to our that the text
that is currently being discussed is
a report on the progress of
negotiations, on which basis the
European Commission will decide
whether sufficient progress has been
made and we can move onto the next
stage of talks. It is for those
future talks to agree precisely how
we ensure cross-border trade, while
maintaining constitutional integrity
of the United Kingdom. We are
leaving the European Union, the
singles market on the customs union.
But we will do, we will do what is
right in the interests of the whole
of the United Kingdom, and nothing
is agreed until everything is
Thank you, Mr Speaker. I joined the
Prime Minister in offering
condolences to the police officer
and passenger who lost their lives
yesterday and in paying tribute to
Jimmy Hood, he was a good friend of
all of us, and he was a great
fighter for the coal industry and
the mine workers union during the
strike and after that, during his
time here. We thank Jimmy for his
work in the labour movement.
Mr Speaker, in July, the
international trade Secretary said
Brexit negotiations would be the
easiest in human history. Does the
Prime Minister still agree with that
I am very pleased to report to the
right gentleman, as I've just said,
negotiations are in progress and
very good progress has been made.
But... What my right honourable
friend has been focusing on is the
trade negotiations for the future,
and indeed, because we are already a
member of the European Union, when
we leave we will not be at the same
basis, like Canada was in
negotiating a trade agreement, and
we do expect that be will get a deal
that is right for the whole of the
United Kingdom. What we need to do
to be able to do that is to move on
to phase two, and if he is so
concerned about easing negotiations,
why did his MPs vote against us
being able to do that?
Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister can
always look behind herself. Mr
Speaker, she hasn't, she hasn't
succeeded in convincing many people
and yesterday on Tory donor told the
papers and I quote, "Yesterday
proved beyond doubt that the Prime
Minister is not only weak but it's
her incompetence that is hobbling
the UK." And he wasn't very kind
about the rest of her from bench
either, describing them as a bunch
of jellyfish masquerading as a
Mr Speaker, this is... This is truly
a coalition, this is truly a
coalition of chaos. At the start of
the week, it all seemed to be going
so well. The Prime Minister had
scheduled a lunch with Jean-Claude
Juncker followed by a press
conference and then to triumphantly
returned to the House to present her
Order, order. Let me make it clear
for the umpteenth time, no, order. I
know what's going on, I can look
after these matters. No one in this
chamber is going to be shouted down.
It will not happen, and if people
think they can sit where I can't see
them and make a raucous noise
they're very foolish. I know where
they are and I know what they're up
to, and it's not going to work. End
Thank you, Mr Speaker. On her way
back to Britain, someone forgot to
share the details of the Irish
border deal with the DUP. Surely
there are 1.5 billion reasons why
the Prime Minister really shouldn't,
shouldn't have forgotten to do that.
I think it was a little difficult to
detect the question is that
interruption. Let me say to the
right honourable gentleman, as
President Jean-Claude Juncker said
Monday, there are still a few things
we are negotiating on... LAUGHTER
And he is confident, he is confident
that we will be able to achieve
sufficient progress. But if he wants
to wonder about plans for
negotiations, perhaps he should look
at his own front bench! The Shadow
Chancellor used to say staying in
the single market was not respecting
the referendum. Now he says it's on
the table. The shade -- shadow trade
secretary used to say staying in the
customs union was very unattractive,
now he says it is not off the table.
We now know from the Shadow
Chancellor what their approach
really is, it's not having a plan at
all, because when asked what the
Labour Party plan was, the Shadow
Chancellor said, well, that's
difficult for us. As we all know,
the only thing the Labour Party is
planning for is a runner on the
Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister was
unable to support her Brexit
secretary when he tried to explain a
deal was supposed to be done in
October but still hasn't been done
by December. The leader of the DUP
told Irish television she only got
sight of the deal on Monday morning,
five weeks after she first asked for
it. Two months after the original
deadline for the first phase of
talks and after Monday's shambles,
is the Prime Minister now, now able
to end the confusion and clearly
outlined what the Government was my
position is now, with regard to the
I'm very happy to outline the
position that I've taken on the
Irish border with Northern Ireland.
It is exactly the same position that
I took in the Lancaster House
speech, that I took in the Florence
speech, that we have taken
consistently in the negotiations,
which is that we will ensure there
is no hard border between Northern
Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.
We will do that while we respect the
constitutional integrity of the
United Kingdom. And while we respect
the internal market and protect the
internal market of the United
Kingdom. Those Labour members who
shout "How?", that's the whole point
of the second phase of the
negotiations... Because we will
deliver this, we aim to deliver this
is part of our overall trade deal
between the United Kingdom and the
European Union, and we can only talk
about that when we get into phase
two. We have a plan, he has none.
18 months after the referendum, the
Prime Minister is unable to answer
the question. And on Monday, and on
Monday, as she thought she was
coming here to make a statement, it
was vetoed by the leader of the DUP,
the tale really is wagging the dog
here. Mr Speaker, the Brexit
secretary told the BBC's Andrew Marr
programme in June, "In my job I
don't think out loud and I don't
make guesses. I try and make
decisions. You make those based on
data, the data is being gathered, we
have 50, nearly 60 sector analyses
done." The House voted to see the
analyses but today the Brexit
secretary told the select committee
they don't exist. Can the Prime
Minister put us out of our misery,
do they exist or don't they, have
they done the work or haven't they?
That is surely one question she can
answer after 18 months.
Can I make a gentle suggestion to
the Leader of the Opposition? He
asked me a question on the Northern
Irish border, I answered the
question. He then stood up and said
I had answered the question. Perhaps
he should listen to the answers that
I give. The House requested, as I
understand it, 58 sectoral impact
assessments. There were no 58
sectoral impact assessment. There
was sectoral analysis, over 800
pages of sectoral analysis has been
published and made available to the
select committee and arrangements
have been made available for members
of this house to see it. We are very
clear that we will not give a
running commentary on negotiations,
but what we will do, what we will do
is work for what this country wants.
We will ensure we leave the European
Union in March 2019. We will leave
the internal market, we will leave
the customs union at the same time,
and we will ensure there is no hard
border between Northern Ireland and
the Republic of Ireland when we do
Mr Speaker, this really is a
shambles. All they've done... All
they've done is offered a heavily
redacted abbreviated version that
has not been widely shared, and the
Brexit secretary said in September,
Mr Speaker, that 50 billion divorce
payment was complete nonsense. The
Foreign Secretary rejected any
payment and said the EU could go
whistle, so can the Prime Minister
put before the House a fully
itemised account that could be
independently audited by the Office
for Budget Responsibility and the
National Audit Office on any
We are at the point of progressing
to the next stage. Snog agreed until
everything is agreed. So the final
settlement won't be agreed until we
have actually got the whole of the
deal agreed. But I have to say to
the right honourable gentleman, he's
asked me questions earlier about
hard borders, half the Labour Party
wants to stay in the single market,
half the Labour Party wants to leave
the single market. The only hard
border around is right down the
middle of the Labour Party.
18 months since the referendum, no
answers to the questions. Today,
they haven't yet concluded phase
one. No answers to the questions.
And the DUP appear to be ruling the
roost and telling her what to do.
Whether it's Brexit, the National
Health Service, social care, our
rip-off railways, rising child
poverty, growing pensioner poverty,
or universe credit, this Government,
this Government is unable to solve
important issues facing this
country. In fact, it's making them
worse. The economy is slowing. More
people in poverty. Brexit
negotiations in a shambles. This
Government is clearly not fit for
the future. If they can't negotiate
a good deal, wouldn't it be better
if they just got out of the way?
I say to the right honourable
gentleman, week in and week out, he
comes to this House making promises
that he knows he can't deliver. And
they keep doing it. At the election
he told students they would write
off their student debt. Then he said
I did not commit to write off the
debt. What are the Labour Party
doing? They're putting around
leaflets which say Labour will
cancel xooising student debt. --
existing. It's time the right
honourable gentleman apologises for
grossly misleading Labour leaflets.
Order. Order! Closed question,
I am pleased to say
that employment in the West Midlands
has risen by 198,000 since the 2010
election. And in the budget my right
honourable friend the Chancellor
confirmed people living and working
in the West Midlands will benefit
from second devolution deal and a
£250 million allocation for regional
deal, the budget, and now the
establishment of the national
battery R and D centre in the West
Midlands puts the whole region at
the very heart of European
autonomous drive and electric drive
cars. So will my right honourable
friend commit to continue to support
this important industry and will she
make a very important promise to me?
Yes. Will she get rid of that gas
guzzler Jagielka of hers -- Jaquar
and get a modern one from the West
Midlands, because we are the party
of the future, not the old Labour
Party danosaurs opposite.
Perhaps I could just let my
honourable friend know that, sadly,
the Jaguar Number 10 Downing Street
is not mine. But my honourable
friend is absolutely right, that the
West Midlands is at the heart of
this important industry. We are
investing £31 million in the West
Midlands for the development of
testing infrastructure for connected
and autonomous vehicles and we will
also build on the West Midlands
expertise and self driving cars as
we invest a further £5 million in an
initial test bed and I certainly
look forward to seeing this
technology developing further.
associate myself with the remarks of
the Prime Minister regarding the
late Jimmy Hood and pass on
condolences to his family and
friends. I am sure the House will
want to join me in welcoming Billy
Irvine, one of the Chennai six who
has arrived back in Scotland this
morning. Now we know that the deal
that was done with the DUP to keep
the Prime Minister in office gave
the DUP a veto over Brexit. It is
embarrassing that it was being
briefed on Monday morning that the
Prime Minister had a deal, only to
take this off the table after a call
with the DUP. Is this the Prime
Minister who is in office but not in
What we are doing is working
for a deal that will work for the
whole of the United Kingdom. There
are particular circumstances for
Northern Ireland because it is the
one part of the United Kingdom that
shares a land border with a country
that will be remaining in the
European Union. But as we look ahead
and during the negotiations as the
honourable gentleman will know, we
are consulting and talking with all
parts of the United Kingdom, with
the Welsh Government and the
Scottish Government, and we want to
ensure that we get the right deal
for the UK and that's the deal that
I have set out, we will be leaving
the European Union, we will be
leaving the single market, leaving
the customs union, but we will
ensure that we get that good trade
deal for the future.
The clock is
ticking. We need a deal that keeps
us in the single market and the
customs union. To do otherwise will
devastate our economy and cost jobs.
Will the Prime Minister recognise
that such a deal will resolve the
Irish border question and protect
jobs throughout the UK, anything
less will be a failure of
I have to say to the
right honourable gentleman that he
continues to washing up -- bark up
the wrong tree. We are leaving the
European Union, that means we will
be leaving the single market and the
customs union. We will take back and
we will ensure that we can go trade
deals around the rest of the world
and that will be important for us
and it's important, he references
jobs, it will be important in
ensuring jobs in this country. We
will get a good deal on trade and
security because this isn't just
about trade for our future
relationship. I set out in my
Florence speech the deep and special
partnership we want to continue to
have with the European Union. That
is about a trade deal that ensures
jobs and prosperity across the whole
of the United Kingdom.
observe that the front bench
exchanges have absorbed a
disproportionately large share of
time. I am determined to accommodate
backbenchers who are waiting to ask
Thank you. The bottleneck
on the A417 continues to cause
dreadful accidents and traffic
misery in Gloucestershire. Now
following the leadership of the
Transport Secretary and the support
of Gloucestershire honourable
members the vital consultation stage
of the short listed improvement
proposals will begin shortly. Does
my right honourable friend back the
scheme and does she agree by
committing hundreds of millions of
pounds for this crucial project that
Government is backing the
I know my honourable friend has been
working tirelessly on this
particular issue and I understand
concerns and frustrations that
drivers in his constituency and
elsewhere have about this vital
strategic road for, not just
Gloucestershire but the wider region
as well. I am happy to assure him we
are backing the development of the
multimillion pound roundabout scheme
announced in 2014. A consultation
will begin shortly. So we can
develop the right solution to tackle
this pinch point and continue this
support which as he says is good for
the whole of Gloucestershire's
The Prime Minister has been
unable to provide us with a single
plausible Brexit scenario that will
meet her red lines, and be
acceptable to the Cabinet, Ireland
and the DUP. Isn't it therefore time
that she either dropped her red
lines, the DUP, or the pretence she
can govern this country.
I have to
say to the honourable lady she's
completely wrong, this Government
has published a number of documents
which set out various option that is
can be taken forward in relation to
the trade relation for the future,
that address the question of the
customs relationship in relation to
customs, address the issue of the
Northern Ireland border. We have
already published those proposals.
They're not part in detail - those
details are not part of the
negotiations at the moment. They
will become part of the negotiations
when we move on to phase two.
the British people voted to leave
the European superstate they voted
to end the free movement of people,
they voted to stop sending billions
of pounds to the EU each and every
year. They voted to make our laws in
our own country judged by our own
judges. Prime Minister, are we on
course still to deliver that? If we
have a problem, would it help if I
came over to Brussels with you to
sort them out?
Well, I say to my honourable friend
I am always happy to spend time in
his company and I hope his petition
on chicken farms went down well the
other evening. The answer is yes, we
are on course to deliver what the
people of this country voted for
when they voted to leave the
Will the Prime
Minister support new transpen nine
rail links, namely high speed three,
but also the restoration of the
Skipton coal link which as well as
providing an economic boast to pen
nine towns has the additional merit
of starting in the Government Chief
Can I say to
the honourable gentleman that we are
of course looking very seriously and
have been supporting with this
concept of the railway. We are
waiting as I understand it for
specific proposals to be brought
forward and we will look at those
I am sure the
whole House is aware that 40 years
ago today this House came together
and voted for a new charity,
mobility charity which has
transformed the lives of disabled
people and their families. Would the
Prime Minister agree that - it
should be carried forward and gives
a golden opportunity for disabled
people to get into the workplace and
enjoy things everybody else does in
I am grateful to my
right honourable friend for marking
the whoth anniversary of mobility in
this way and I am happy to join him
in marking that and I am looking
forward to becoming a senior patron,
they do excellent work for people in
enabling them to stay mobile and
active and there are more people
with a mobility car today than there
were in 2010. Can I also wish my
right honourable friend well as I
understand he will be going to the
Palace tomorrow to receive his
Thank you. Prime
Minister, in light of the news today
and the reported terrorist threat on
the Prime Minister and others, can I
assure her of our prayers for her
and Her Majesty's Government on this
side of the House and thank the
security forces for their sterling
efforts. Prime Minister, can you
give us specific commitment that
nothing will be done that creates
any barrier, constitutionally,
politically, economically, or
regulatory between Northern Ireland
and the rest of the United Kingdom?
Can I thank the honourable gentleman
for the remarks that he made. Can I
say to him the simple answer to his
question is yes. He will know as
other members of this House will,
that there are already areas where
there are specific arrangements
between Northern Ireland and the
Republic of Ireland, for example,
the single energy market that exists
between the Republic of Ireland and
Northern Ireland. But we want to
ensure that there is no hard border,
that is exactly what we are working
for. We are also working to respect
the constitutional integrity of the
United Kingdom and protect the
internal market of the United
Kingdom and I think we share those
The Prime Minister will be
aware of citizens advice Scotland
report issued yesterday that said in
Scotland up to a million consumers
pay on average 30% more to have
parcels delivered than the rest of
the country: In my constitute at
this time there is a huge issue
where ridiculous prices are put on
to deliver. In some cases companies
refuse to deliver at all. Can my
right honourable friend tell me what
the UK Government can do with myself
to ensure we right this wrong once
and for you will.
friend is right to raise this issue
and speak up on behalf of his
constituents. I am sure he knows
rail mail does provide a service
that includes parcel service at a
uniform price throughout the UK but
there are commercial issues at play
outside this service. But I am sure
that my right hon friend the
Business Secretary will be happy to
meet and discuss this issue.
recognition by Donald Trump of
Jerusalem as the capital of Israel
will do grave damage to the
prospects for a just and lasting
peace settlement with the Israelis
and Palestinians which has been
British and indeed American foreign
policy for decades. Was she
consulted about this announcement
and if so what did she say? Will she
hear and -- here and now clearly
Well, I say to the right honourable
gentleman that I am intending to
speak to President Trump about this
matter. But our position has not
changed. He says it's been a
long-standing position and it's also
a very clear one, that the status of
Jerusalem should be determined as a
- in a negotiated settlement between
the Israelis and the Palestinians
and Jerusalem should ultimately form
a shared capital between the Israeli
and Palestinian states. We continue
to support a two-state solution. We
recognise the importance of
Jerusalem and our position on that
has not changed.
GlaxoSmithKline and many other
companies invested in genetics, does
my honourable friend agree
investment in science and research
underpins jobs and revolution in
medical treatment that will save
lives and give hope to many patients
for new treatments.
absolutely agree with my honourable
friend and what she has highlighted
is a sector which is important for
the United Kingdom and I welcome the
investment that she has referred to.
That is why this is one of the
sectors that has been given
significance in the industrial
strategy that my right honourable
friend the Business Secretary has
delivered, has published, because
this is exactly an area where we see
there are Ben bsh -- benefits here,
jobs, but also improving the
treatments available to patients and
improving their lives.
Prime Minister rings Donald Trump to
express our concern about his moves
concerning Jerusalem and the US
Embassy, will she also be informing
President Trump that we will be
proceeding to recognise the state of
Palestine as a central part of
keeping the two-state process under
We want to see a negotiated
settlement between the Israelis and
the Palestinians, we believe that
should be based on a two-state
solution, that should be a Sovereign
and viable Palestinian state but
also a secure and safe Israel. That
should be a matter for negotiation
between the parties.
The whole House
will support what the Prime Minister
said last week in the Middle East on
her visit about the unfolding
humanitarian catastrophe in Yemen.
Will she continue to provide the
maximum amount of pressure to lift
both the humanitarian and the
commercial blockade and use
Britain's good offices at the United
Nations to secure a resumption of
some sort of political peace process
which is inclusive and which does
not have any preconditions?
right honourable friend has raised
an important issue and I am sure
everybody across this House is
deeply concerned at the humanitarian
crisis and the spiralling crisis
that we have seen in the Yemen and
the lingering threat of famine
there. I did indeed as he said raise
my concerns when I visited Saudi
Arabia last week. I made it clear
that the UK's view is that we want
to see not just a border open for
humanitarian aid to get in but it
should be open for commercial
vessels as well. This is absolutely
crucial and important and he revenss
the need for peace talks, that is
our top priority. The best way to
bring a long-term solution and
long-term stability is to have a
political solution and we will
continue to support the efforts of
the UN special envoy and play a
leading role as he says in
diplomatic efforts to ensure a
political solution can be reached.
Due to the one billion deal that the
DUP MPs - each one is worth more
than Ronaldo. We need to consider
the cut to Scotland's budget, £600
million rail shortfall, the £200
million... And £140 million VAT
refund. Each one of the Scottish
Tories cost Scotland £265 million.
Can we transfer them?
I have to say
it's time that when he stood up for
questions he actually looked at the
facts. It's my Scottish Conservative
colleagues who have ensured that in
the budget we were able to take
steps in relation to the VAT status
of police Scotland and the fire
services in Scotland and he
obviously hadn't noticed but I am
happy to repeat as a result of this
budget £2 billion extra will come to
In 2010 the
Conservative-led Government set out
to reform the school curriculum to
give children skills they need to
succeed. Does the Prime Minister
agree yesterday's reading standard
results are a vindication of our
reforms and amazing teachers'
efforts which will allow our
children to forge a truly global
Well, I thank my honourable
friend, she has raised an important
issue and I am happy to agree with
her. Yesterday we learned how the
UK's revolution in phonetics has
dramatically improved school
standards. I would like to pay
particular tribute to my honourable
friend the Minister for schools
standards who has worked tirelessly
to this end through his time here in
this House but also pay tribute to
the hard work of teachers up and
down the country. We have, just for
the figures, in 201258% of
six-year-olds passed reading checks,
this year it's 81%. We are indeed
building a Britain fit for the
In October the Prime
Minister wrote an open letter saying
EU citizens living lawfully in the
UK today will be able to stay. But
this week my constituent was told by
UK she had to wait until Brexit was
done and take her chances. Can the
Prime Minister tell us are the EU
citizens living here just pawns in
the Brexit negotiations or will she
change UK operating systems to
ensure EU citizens can stay?
position on EU citizens that I set
out in the open letter that I sent
is the position of the United
Kingdom Government and I suggest to
the honourable lady if she has a
complaint about something said she
sends that information to the
all-party group on cancer held its
annual Britain against cancer
conference, the largest one-day
gathering of the capser community in
the UK to launch a report on the
cancer strategy. We heard from the
Government and NHS England many good
things that were happening, there
was one issue causing real concern
to frontline services, and that is
the delay in the release of the
transformation funding to those
frontline services, with additional
requirement applied to the funding
after the bidding process closed.
Having discussed the issue with the
Secretary of State who was a jolly
chap, would the Prime Minister meet
with me to discuss this matter
Well, I say to my
honourable friend of course this is
an important issue and we have as he
said seen great progress being made
in relation to this issue of
providing higher standards of cancer
care for all patients. Survival
records are now at a record high.
Around 7,000 more people are
surviving cancer after successful
NHS treatment compared to three
years ago. Of course we want to do
more in relation to this issue. He
has raised a very specific point and
I understand that the Department of
Health are adopting a phased
approach to investment as the
national cancer programme does run
for a further three years but I
would be happy to meet to discuss
Contrary to her previous
answer on the subject, only the
Prime Minister's Government can
remove barriers to universe credit
for ter minutally ill people in
Scotland, England, Wales and
Northern Ireland. Will she answer
this question again this time, will
she end the cruel requirement for
people across the UK who don't want
to know they're dying to
self-certify on universal credit?
Can I say to the honourable
gentleman that I suggest that this
is an issue I will ask the Secretary
of State for work and pensions to
look at. We do want to ensure that
as knows we are working on how
universal credit is rolled out and
how that is dealt with in relation
to individuals. I am sure he will
understand that if there are
particular things that apply to
people and particular circumstances
then they can only apply if - if the
universe credit and Jobcentres are
aware of those circumstances but I
will ask the Department for Work and
Pensions to look at this.
right honourable friend next goes to
Brussels, will she apply a new code
of paint to her red lines because I
fear on Monday they were beginning
to look a little bit pink?
No, I can
say, happy say to my honourable
friend that the principles on which
this Government is negotiating were
set out in the Lancaster House
speech and the Florence speech and
those principles remain.
morning London MPs were briefed by
the Metropolitan Police service on
the grave challenge of serious youth
violence and violent crime,
including the scourge of scooter
assisted crime. With robbers up 30%
in London, the Police Service in
London faces a £400 million squeeze
which will drive police numbers down
to the lowest in 20 years and my own
Borough has already lost is 98
police officers. Does the Prime
Minister still think we have the
police resources we need -- 198.
would say we are not reducing the
police budget, we are protecting
police budgets. They were protected
in the 2015 spending review. I
repeat as I said in this House
before, there is more money and
officers or each Londoner than
anywhere else in the country. Of
course it is up to the Mayor of
London to decide how that budget is
spent. But she also raised the
important issue of scooter or moped
crime and I am pleased to say the
Home Secretary has held a round
table with police and others in the
Home Office to look at how this can
be better addressed.
strategy identifies that the world
will need 60% more food by 2050. As
we leave the EU will the Prime
Minister commit to supporting our
I am very happy to commit
to supporting our farmers. And in
fact markets for British food are
growing around the world and we want
to see those Margetts grow even
further. Leaving the EU means we
will have an opportunity to design a
new approach to agricultural policy,
one that supports our farmers to
grow more, to sell more and to
export more of their world-class
proproducts. What we will be doing
is ensuring we have an agriculture
policy that meets the needs of the
This week motor
manufacturers announced a year on
year drop in car sales of over 11%.
They blame confusion caused by the
Government's incoherent policy on
clean air and diesels, budget
measures and uncertainty caused by
Brexit. This industry is vital for
both the national economy and jobs
in the West Midlands. What is the
Government going to do to turn this
I have to say to the
honourable gentleman that if he had
listened to the answer I gave and
the questions from my honourable
friend earlier he would have heard
how we are supporting the automotive
industry, supporting the future of
the industry. We recognise its
importance for the West Midlands and
importance for the United Kingdom
and that's why it's one of those
sectors that we are clear in our
industrial strategy that we will be
supporting so we can support those
jobs and prosperity for the future.
Would my right honourable friend
confirm she is aware of the strong
enthusiasm for free trade deals with
the UK from countries like Canada,
Japan, United States, Australia, and
even for participation in - UK
participation in the
transpartnership. None of these
opportunities will come our way if
we are shackled to regulation after
we have left the EU.
Well, I am
happy to say to my honourable friend
that I do recognise the enthusiasm
there is out there around the rest
of the world for to us do trade
deals with other countries. I am
happy to say that my right
honourable friend the trade
Secretary was in Australia recently
discussing these opportunities. When
I go around the world I also hear
the same message from a whole
variety of countries, they want to
do trade deals for us in the future.
What we want to do is to ensure we
get a good trade deal with the
European Union and the freedom to
negotiate these trade deals around
the rest of the world.
On Monday evening during the opening
speeches of the EU withdrawal bill
the Government bench showed its true
colours. Revealed were the imperial
British Government's intentions
spelled out in red, white and blue.
Would the Prime Minister care to
echo the chair of the Welsh affairs
Select Committee and I quote, it is
a power grab, and what a wonderful
power grab it is too or would she
admit that the scrabble to
repatriate powers from Brussels
provides a grubby excuse to deny our
democratic rights in Wales.
honourable lady knows full well what
my honourable friend was saying was
that what we will be doing when we
leave the European Union is grabbing
powers back from Brussels to the
United Kingdom. That's exactly
right. Following that we will expect
to see a significant increase in the
decision-making power of devolved
administrations. As a result of
that. That is absolutely right. If
Plaid Cymru are saying they want to
see powers rest in Brussels, we take
a different view. We want those
powers to be here in the United
Will the Prime Minister join me in
wishing them every success in their
bid to see Stoke become the next
capital of culture for Britain?
have been very happy to visit Stoke
on Trent on a number of occasions
and my honourable friend is a
valiant champion for Stoke. I wish
them all the best. I have to say as
I have been asked about a number of
other bids from cities around the
United Kingdom I am sure all of
those cities bidding have good cases
to be recognised.
Thank you. Order.
The Prime Minister appeared in PMQs
today with her back to the wall it
given her failure to come to a deal
in Brussels on the uncertainty of
what she does next, given the DUP's
stumbling block, so it was a time
for some forensic questioning, to
try and ascertain what was going on
in what is somewhat of a crisis for
the British government. But we got a
series of short speeches rather than
questions, a couple of which didn't
end in any kind of question at all,
and in a way the Prime Minister
probably got off the hook as a
result. We didn't learn anything new
about where we go from here, did we?
Not really. As you said, this was a
huge opportunity, Theresa May has
had a very difficult few days but
there was more heat than light for
both of them. It wasn't either of
the finest hours there were lots of
opportunities for Jeremy Corbyn to
ask exactly who had known what about
the deal at exactly what point, what
plans for the Irish border, what
exactly had she said to Arlene
Foster on the phone when that phone
call happened finally this morning
but we didn't get any of those
places. For me, what was harder for
the Prime Minister in a way is what
is a coordinated effort from some of
the Brexit is in the Tory party.
Jacob Rees-Mogg and Peter Bone
asking pointed questions of her
after Iain Duncan Smith turned up
the ante on her promises last night.
I think she would have been more
worried about that than what she was
getting from the Labour Party today.
What did you learn that you didn't
I think the Prime Minister did
extremely well. You are right, it's
been a difficult couple of days but
she performed really well, was
clearly on top of the brief, got out
some key things on government
announcements, on things like
phonics and so on, which is an
I'm talking about the big issue of
our times, the Brexit negotiations,
what did we learn that you didn't
That we are confident of
getting a good deal next week and
moving on to the next phase of the
negotiations. That is what I think
we have learned.
How will that be
It's still being talked about
at the moment, but I think we will
get there because it strongly on
both sides addressed are there to be
The problem isn't on the
European side, they were ready to
sign, the problem is your side.
ongoing process. I think that we
will get there and the Prime
Minister today defended her position
What is the Prime Minister's
position? On this situation of
That they're not
be a border with physical
infrastructure, that is what she
laid at Lancaster House.
will she for that? Room at the price
she is going to pay for that? The
overall agreement, that will be
of the three things in the first
phase of the talks, getting island
rights, citizens rights and the
money right before but it
as she prepared to pay? We know what
price the Irish government and the
rest of the EU is prepared to pay.
At one stage it looked like Mrs May
was prepared to pay that, until the
DUP stopped her. If she can't do
that, what other prices she prepared
to pay? That's what stopping her
moving on to face two.
We will see
how we get onto two. I'm confident
there is time available and we will
get there and look forward to those
This is one of the answered
questions, the EU has been trying
hard to get this done before the
summit because the EU next week at
the summit wants to talk about
things like Xi Jinping and's reform
programme, they don't want the
summit next week to be all about the
UK. -- talk about things like
President Macron's reform programme.
It will be a huge pressure on
Theresa May if they can't get it
done before Christmas, but that
doesn't mean somehow it is all over.
In theory, they could move on and
carry all this on until March again,
but she will come under enormous
pressure from Brexiteers to walk
away if it's not achieved next week.
There is pressure from all sides on
What did you make of it?
Brexit and Northern Irish issue was
a shambles and 11 o'clock it still
is. I'd be curious to know if Arlene
Foster picked up the phone or if it
was an answer service.
She did pick
up the phone, we are told.
don't know is what happened stopped
and I know, and Jeremy Corbyn didn't
ask what she said to her so we don't
Interesting questions on
the Jerusalem issue, I'd thought
that was good it was raised and it
was good to get that out in the
Commons. Interesting to see what the
Prime Minister had to say about that
and that will develop quite clearly
and quite rightly so.
Back to Central Lobby in the
Commons. A former Brexit
administered David Jones joins us.
Thank you for coming out of the
chamber to speak to us. Jacob
Rees-Mogg said he thought the Prime
Minister's red lines were looking a
bit pink, what do you say?
she actually made them a lot clearer
during this particular session. I
think that the most important
question on that front was the
question from the DUP's Jim Shannon,
who asked for all sorts of
reassurances about maintaining the
constitutional and economic
integrity of the UK and she was
unequivocal in her answer and gave
him total reassurance.
saying then that contrary to the
deal she was about to sign earlier
this week, that there won't be a
separate regulatory alignment for
Northern Ireland? In any deal?
think that was what Jim was trying
to get out. I think he's seemed
reassured. I looked at him as she
was answering his question. But, of
course, we know there have been
discussions today with Arlene
Foster. I hope we will get a lot
more clarity in the course of the
next few hours.
I think what the
Prime Minister says is more
important than how DUP MP looks. So
did the Prime Minister, in your
view, say the idea of the separate
regulatory arrangement for Northern
Ireland is a dead duck, is that your
That was the impression that I
got. The impression I did not get is
there might not be regulatory
alignment for the whole of the UK.
With the European Union. That is
what people on my side of the House
are going to be looking for before
she goes back to Brussels.
the Government was to take the
position that where ever regulatory
alignment is agreed for Northern
Ireland would be applied to all of
the UK, what would you say to that?
As I said, that is the concern. I
think what we need to do is to make
sure that we can strike free trade
agreements around the world after we
have left the EU. And being tied to
an EU regulatory system would cause
problems. So that is I think where
we need the clarity.
Why do you
think the Prime Minister got herself
in a position when she was willing
to sign an agreement that involved
I can only
imagine that was advice she had
received. I think once she had the
telephone call with Arlene Foster,
she clearly thought it was necessary
to review about advice.
Is it not
remarkable, given the importance of
the DUP to this minority
government's survival, that she
hadn't squared the DUP in the first
place before going down this route?
I think it is important in deep to
keep in close touch with the DUP,
particularly when we're talking
about arrangements for Northern
Which clearly didn't happen
otherwise she wouldn't have had to
come out of the lunch?
sufficient clarity was imparted to
Why would your government
do that? Why would you get into such
That is a very good
question, but afraid and it is above
my pay grade to answer that one.
it is. -- it does not engender
confidence in this government's
competence to handle these
negotiations if they get something
so fundamental wrong. People saying
we can solve this to the DUP, we can
do this, it tells up -- turns out
you couldn't sell it and today we
don't know where we stand on this
I think it's clearly been a
difficult couple of days for the
Prime Minister and those advising
her, but nevertheless it is clear
that she has now started further
conversations with Arlene Foster and
we have to hope they are going to be
good, positive discussions that will
take this on to the next stage.
David Jones, thank you for joining
us, live from the Central Lobby.
Is there any joy in narrowing down
the regulatory alignment to things
that are important things,
specifically covered in the Good
Friday Agreement, like energy,
there's an energy market in the
island of Ireland, and agriculture,
because things can go back and
forward across the North-South
border which is more difficult if
you sent agricultural produce from
Belfast to Stranraer, it's a tougher
block to do that.
That's right. The
difficulty is the DUP is now looking
for something bigger than that. They
are not just looking for the odd
specific word but a different kind
of approach. As far as they say, and
everyone is managing expectations
and spinning on both sides, but as
far as they say, they believe the
draft document was just put together
basically upside down, because it
was saying, as we were saying to
start with, Northern Ireland and
Dublin can get closer and closer and
somehow separate to the UK. What
they want is something that presents
the whole of the UK with here are a
Never saw this with
Scotland and Wales as well?
one of the things. As we saw Monday,
as soon as they lifted the left of
Pandora's box, suddenly all of these
problems spewing out of it. The hope
for the Government was this is
sorted in phase two. The
Government's answer was budget now
and worry about it later but they
have been found out on that.
something happens, you would need to
get the Eurostar!
will properly get an annual pass
now, you have to go back so often!
There's just time to put you out
of your misery and give
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The year was 1962.
The button is there, give it a bash.
There we go.
And the winner is...
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That's all for today.
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