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Morning, folks.

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Welcome to the Daily Politics.

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As the full scale of construction

firm Carillion's financial woes

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become clear, pressure piles

on the Government to explain exactly

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what they knew about the troubles

before awarding the company millions

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of pounds of public contracts.

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Will Jeremy Corbyn ask

about Carillion's collapse

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at Prime Minister's Questions?

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We'll have the exchanges

between Theresa May and the Labour

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leader live from the House

of Commons at 12pm.

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And, as the pro-Corbyn wing

takes over key committees

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within the Labour Party,

we'll ask what this means

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for the future of Labour politics.

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All that in the next hour.

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And joining us today, new

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Cabinet Office Minister Oliver

Dowden, and Shadow Business

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Minister Chi Onwurah.

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Good morning.

Good morning.

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First, the UK's second-biggest

contractor, Carillion, had just

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£29 million in cash and owed

£1.29 billion to its banks when it

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collapsed this week.

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It is a name we now all know,

although not many did before.

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although not many did before. It had

a unfunded pension liabilities of

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£600 million as well.

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As the full scale of the crisis

in the company's dying

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days becomes clear, do

the Government have questions

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to answer over millions of pounds

of public contracts awarded

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to the company after

repeated profit warnings?

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One of the Goverment's ministers

under fire is the Transport

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Secretary, Chris Grayling, who

signed a contract for HS2 after

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Carillion's Jim White profit

warning. The BBC tried to track him

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down this morning, and this is what

he had to say -- as Carillion's Jim

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White profit warning.

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I'll very happily talk

to you guys later.

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I'm doing interviews

this morning but I'm

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going to get a train now,

I'm afraid.

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Speak to my office and book

a slot later but I've

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got to get a train now.

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Well, that wasn't very informative!

Let's see if we can do better here

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in the studio this morning. Oliver

Dowden, in July of last year, the

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Chief Executive of Carillion was

fired, there was an £840 million

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write-off on the balance sheet, and

the shares fell 60% in two days.

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Yet, one week later, denied the

17th, the Government made it part of

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the £6 billion HS2 contract, and

£158 million MOD property contract.

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Why?

Well, the Government keeps

these situations under control. And

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we look at the situation of all of

our contractors. In of Carillion, a

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profit warning had been issued.

Dozens of profit warnings are issued

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every year, you wouldn't expect the

Government or any other private

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company to cease contracting with

somebody just on the basis of a

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profit warning. But you would expect

in Team Janzen, that is a crack in

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what we did, we made contingency

plans -- -- you would expect

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contingency and that is exactly what

they did. We have plans that of one

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company fell away the others would

step up and service delivery would

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continue, that has been the priority

of the Government, we are delivering

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those servers.

July was one bit of

bad news, but not enough to make you

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stop giving contracts. On September

the 20 I have last year, the

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half-year results of the company

came out. It showed £1.15 billion of

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losses. £1.15 billion! And another

£200 million write-down. And yet

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five weeks later, on November the

6th, you gave them a £320 million

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Network Rail contract for the

Midland Mainline. Why?

Look, our

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duty as a Government is to ensure

the continuing delivery of public

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services. These were contracts with

a private company to deliver those

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public services. Our concern...

As a

construction contract, not a public

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service...

Our concern is a

Government is to ensure the

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continued delivery of public

services in respect of all of those

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contracts...

But you could have

given it to somebody else!

Yes, we

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go through a proper process of

procurement, they would decided as

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the correct bidder. There was a risk

associated because of the profit

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warnings. As with any other private

company contracted with a third

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party, you need to take contingency

measures, but it is not a basis for

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not contracting. We took contingency

measures, and delivery of public

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services continued, that is the

concern of Government.

We have one

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of the warnings in July, we had

another even bigger warning in

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September, they then got the

contract in November. On November

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the 17th, only two weeks after you

gave them the Midland Mainline

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contract, came the third profit

warning. The third in one year.

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Which is unusual for one company.

And, the company admitted it was on

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course to breach its banking

covenants, which is a complicated

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way of saying it couldn't repay the

debt, of which was massive. Yet,

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three days later, you made it one of

nine contractors in a £2.6 billion

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school building programme. Why?

As I

said, there is an independent

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recruitment process. The concern

that your viewers will have and

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everybody else will have --

independent procurement process. We

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are asking a company to do something

for the Government. Will it continue

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to do that? Subsequent to Carillion

going into liquidation, we are

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continuing to deliver...

By November

of this year, it was clearly in

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trouble and everybody knew, except,

apparently, the Government.

Our

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concern is to continue to deliver.

But why did you give contracts to

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this company when it was clearly in

trouble? You would be aware, or

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maybe you word, that it was, this is

a little technical, but the most

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shortage to stock on the stock

exchange, 25% of its shares were

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being held by people that bought the

shares were going to dive. But you

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carried on giving it contracts.

Yes,

there were clearly risks associated

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with that company and the Government

took measures to mitigate that. And

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the success of those mitigation

measures is shown by the fact that

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that company continues to deliver.

It is interesting to note...

The

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company doesn't continue to deliver!

You say it's just the Government,

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actually the last public sector

organisation to award preferred to

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get status to Carillion with Leeds

City Council -- preferred bidder.

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But you are the Government, and just

because some Labour council proved

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to be as cosy with Carillion as you,

doesn't let you off the hook. You

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had contingency plans, you are

keeping an eye on this company, but

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you had enough contracts with

Carillion for it to be designated a

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strategic of Government. An official

designation, and an official

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designation like that means that the

Government appoint a crown

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representative, a representative of

the state, to keep and I the company

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could -- because there are concerns.

And yet at the height of this

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financial problems, there was no

crown representative appointed, why?

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There was a crown representative by

the end, there was a change.

But

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there wasn't that the crucial time.

Remember, they have a whole team

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working to them. Those people were

in place. There was no adverse

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impact in terms of the delivery of

the services.

Is there any sense at

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which we see this? Because I think

even the Government must have known

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Carillion was in some trouble, and

you kept on giving it contracts. Was

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there any sense in which you were

doing this as a hidden subsidy,

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simply to try and keep the company

going in the hope that it would get

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out of its troubles?

No, there are

strict procurement roles. These

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companies, if they are to be awarded

a Government contract, they have to

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demonstrate they will deliver value

for money. Carillion won those

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processes. Once they have won them,

the Government had to be sure that

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they would continue to deliver.

But

why didn't you have a crown

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representative?

In respect of the

crown representative, they have a

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team working who continues to carry

out those functions. There was a

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crown representative in

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crown representative in place by the

end.

One quick question, can you now

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tell us this morning what the likely

cost to the taxpayer will be?

Well,

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what we have done is to ensure that

the official receiver is funded. The

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official receiver will continue to

pay out on those...

I do know all

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that! They put a bill on it. Do we

know how much?

That will depend upon

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the amount that the official

receiver can recover. The key

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priority is a continuing delivery of

public services, achieved by funding

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the official reserve who pays out

those contracts. It will depend upon

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how much the official receiver is

able to recover, that is perfectly

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standard in any liquidation

situation, as you know.

Why is the

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Carillion crisis a crisis of

outsourcing? Why is that? This is

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what your party has claimed.

Carillion crisis and the failure

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work from the gang tragic force of

many people who work for Carillion

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and -- were tragic force of many

people who work for Carillion. What

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Oliver won't say is that they

continue to give contracts to

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Carillion because they believe

ideological eat in giving public

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sector contracts... -- ideological

eat in giving.

ALL TALK AT ONCE. Why

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is there a crisis of outsourcing was

below because,

by giving these

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massive contracts to a small number

of private sector companies whose

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business models are predicated, if

you like, and bidding as low as

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possible for these contracts...

It

is public services.

It is a good

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thing if it is sustainable, but it

clearly wasn't. There were profit

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warnings, they were being

slaughtered. Their dividend payments

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were going up while that that was

dreading --. Yet this was a

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strategic supplier.

Is the jewel

argument that the Government's

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mistake was giving too many

contracts to Carillion, or that it

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should not have been giving them to

the private sector at all?

The fact

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that the Government was obliged, if

you like, to give so many contracts

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to one supplier demonstrates that it

should not have been outsourcing so

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much of our public services.

Should

these contracts have gone to the

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private sector or not?

So much of

our public services, schools,

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reasons, hospitals, should not be

delivered by the private sector.

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Because the profit motive does not

lead to the best outcomes for our

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students, our prisoners...

Carillion

wasn't brought down by outsourcing

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services, it was brought down by

construction contracts that went

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wrong. Now, one of the construction

contract which we bounded on it with

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the Aberdeen bypass. £750 million.

But there were delays. The

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receivables went as high as they

thought, that was one of the reasons

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for a write-down. Should the

Aberdeen bypass be built by a

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private construction company or what

not?

Each individual case depends on

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the nature of the tender.

I'm asking

you to principal... Should it be

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built by a private company or should

it be built by a publicly owned

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construction company?

Public

services should be delivered, I

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believe...

This isn't public

services, this is construction.

I

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wouldn't argue necessarily that it

should be built by... Sorry, Andrew,

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you made an important point. You

said it wasn't brought down by

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public services, it was brought down

by construction. And yet it was the

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ongoing need to service those public

services, our hospitals, our

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schools, etc, which is what...

The

other - British contracts which

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brought it down...

And the bidding,

and the bidding for key services...

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You keep on saying services, and it

wasn't services, that's what I'm

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trying to get to. It was brought

down clearly, we notice from the

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evidence in the High Court, by

construction contracts. Two of the

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other construction contracts were

because Buttle in Liverpool and they

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-- a because Buttle in Manchester.

Is it Labour's position that it was

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wrong to give this to Carillion what

wrong to give it to the private

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sector at all, and it should be done

by the public sector?

Where

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possible... So, Carillion is a shell

company, and the supply chain for

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the support for delivering

construction services to the public

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sector needs to be examined and

investigated. This is a really

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important point...

Should we build

our hospitals using private

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companies, or should they be built

by the public sector? Is this

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Labour's position?

Suppliers and

contractors to the public sector,

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which can include the building of a

black sector construction and

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hospitals, they should have

sustainable business models -- for

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the construction sector. The supply

chains should not be so long. Our

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argument is that we need the

capacity within the public sector to

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manage these...

To manage, but not

to build?

Not necessarily to build.

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The public sector doesn't have to do

everything. When it comes to the

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delivery of public services and the

management of public assets there

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needs to be the capacity within the

public sector to do that directly.

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We need to move on.

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Now, internal Labour Party democracy

may not seem like blockbuster stuff,

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but it has been a key battleground

between opposing factions

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of the Labour Party since

Jeremy Corbyn became leader,

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and determines the future

direction of the party.

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The Corbynite camp has been

celebrating big wins this week.

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Here's Emma with all the details.

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Last September, two Momentum-backed

candidates won posts

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on the Conference Arrangements

Committee - giving them control

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of selecting and prioritising

motions for the annual conference.

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And earlier this week,

three other candidates supported

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by Momentum won seats on the party's

National Executive Committe -

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the supreme decision-making body -

swinging it into the Left's control.

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The three new members included

Momentum founder Jon Lansman,

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who has in the past talked

about introducing mandatory

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reselection for sitting MPs.

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Yesterday, Corbyn supporters used

that new NEC majority to take

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control of the party's

disciplinary committee,

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ousting longstanding

Chair of the Disputes

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Sub-Committee, Ann Black,

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and replacing her with

Momentum Director - and NEC member -

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Christine Shawcroft.

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It means the Left of the party now

have control of the panel that

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decides whether to investigate

anti-Semitic, racist,

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homophobic and sexist abuse,

as well as other disciplinary cases.

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Internal clashes broke

out within the party,

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with Young Labour NEC rep

Jasmin Beckett saying

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she was "disgusted" by the removal

of Ann Black, and accusing Momentum

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of treating the committee

as a "factional playground".

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But Christine Shawcroft told

the Mirror, "I really don't know

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what all the fuss is about",

denying there was a

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"left-wing takeover".

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Thank you for that. Tony Robinson,

one of your better-known Labour

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Party members, famous as Blackadder,

long a Labour Party activist, says,

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"Labour's now been taken over by

leftist clique". Is he right?

What

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happened is that we had a democratic

election.

We know that. But as the

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result of the election...

As a

consequence of members of the

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largest political party by

membership in Europe voting. About

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that as a takeover, I believe that

is absolutely not the case. We have

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a democracy and people voted and not

everybody is happy with every result

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of the Democratic party.

Ann Black,

the well-respected chair of the

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NEC's disputes panel, was it right

to get rid of her?

The NEC has 39

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people on it. When you have new

members, there is often a

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reassignment of its possibilities.

I'm not on the NEC. I don't know

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what her qualifications were but it

is right that there should be the

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ability...

Was right to get rid of

her?

I am not on the NEC.

You still

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have a view. You have no view on

this?

The level of interest in our

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National Executive Committee

subpanel... If that had been the

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same level of interest in

Carillion's board, for example, and

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the same level of bureaucracy...

Your failure to answer these

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questions will ensure that the

interest in the NEC is going to

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write it have no view on whether it

is right that an black should have

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been removed?

I think it is right to

follow our procedures to elect...

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The disputes process will still

remain exactly the same.

Are you

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comfortable but it is now being

chaired by a woman who thought we

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should invite Islamic State to tea

rather than bomb them in Iraq, and

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that that Lutfur Rahman in Tower

Hamlets, who had been banned for

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five years from office and guilty of

electoral fraud? Are you comfortable

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that that is the person now running

your disputes panel? Chisnall it is

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absolutely right that the person

running our disputes panel should be

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accountable for what she has said in

the past, and it follows our

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processes. Two things... Are you

comfortable that the person in

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charge of your disputes panel has

this background? Either you are or

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you aren't.

It is really important

that we have robust processes. We

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need robust processes to make sure

hate speech and anti-Semitism and

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racism in have no part in the Labour

Party and that is how it is now. I

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want my constituents to know that

when I get up in the morning, I am

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not working on looking at what the

exact composition of our NEC... I'm

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trying to make sure there are jobs

in Newcastle, that there are...

You

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do that every day but the NEC is the

story yesterday and today. The woman

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who headed

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who headed the NEC, last year, she

spoke at a rally to celebrate the

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30th anniversary of the domain is

revolution in Iran. Does Labour

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celebrate that revolution?

We don't

celebrate a revolution. If you are

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asking, was she doing that as the

representative and speaking for the

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Labour Party, no, she wasn't.

She

said, "We are here for a

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celebration, it is a happy time, the

third year I have been, it is always

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in my diary". Are you happy that the

person that got the most votes in

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the NEC election seems to regard the

Iranian Islamic revolution as a good

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thing? Is it a good thing?

I don't

share the same views as everybody in

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every position in the Labour Party

and that is right, because we have

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broad representative

cross-section...

What is your view

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of the Islamist revolution?

My view

of the Islamist revolution is that

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because it is not directly relevant

to my constituency in Newcastle

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right now, I certainly feel that our

position on Iran and supporting the

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democracy in Iran and elsewhere is

as set out by our shadow secretary.

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What evidence has Labour ever given

in recent weeks that it supports the

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democratic process in Iran?

We are a

party of democracy. You're talking

0:21:020:21:13

about our NEC elections.

Did Jeremy

Corbyn, did John McDonnell, did

0:21:130:21:17

Emily Thornberry, your foreign

affairs spokesman... Did any of them

0:21:170:21:21

but words of support to the

democratic protesters?

We are a

0:21:210:21:27

democratic party.

You said that. Any

public support Labour has given for

0:21:270:21:35

the democratic protesters in Iran?

We support democracy. We are a

0:21:350:21:39

democratic party.

Who do you

support, then? Compared to the

0:21:390:21:47

Iranian government and the

democratic protesters, brave people

0:21:470:21:49

taking to the street, whose side are

you on?

I'm always on the side of

0:21:490:21:57

democracy and representation.

Yasmine Dar so you are on the side

0:21:570:22:00

of the protesters? By on the side of

democracy. I am not going to speak

0:22:000:22:06

for the predators because I don't

know them personally.

I am not

0:22:060:22:11

asking you to speak for every

protester, I am asking for a simple

0:22:110:22:14

view. The women who top the NEC poll

supported the revolution and

0:22:140:22:21

celebrate it on its 30th

anniversary. I'm asking you, since

0:22:210:22:26

this is the regime that has shot an

unarmed protesters, I am asking

0:22:260:22:31

whose side you are on.

I have said

very clearly I am always on the

0:22:310:22:36

side...

Why can't you bring yourself

to say you on the side of the

0:22:360:22:41

protesters?

I support those

supporting democracy. I don't want

0:22:410:22:44

you to be holding the accountable

for the actions of every single

0:22:440:22:48

protester.

I am asking for your

view.

My view is to support

0:22:480:22:52

democracy and support those who

support democracy.

Your new

0:22:520:22:56

vice-chair for youth, Ben Bradley,

advocated vasectomies for the vast

0:22:560:23:03

sea of unemployed wasters, quote. Is

this going to inform the next

0:23:030:23:06

roll-out of Universal Credit?

Of

course not, and he has apologised to

0:23:060:23:12

those comments. You made them five

years ago when he was 22 and I think

0:23:120:23:16

it was right for him to apologise.

It is bound to be what he thinks.

0:23:160:23:20

Now he has been called to account,

likely Labour people have done the

0:23:200:23:23

same, you run a mile.

He was 22 at

the time, five years ago. I think

0:23:230:23:29

his views have developed quite a

lot, as you might imagine anyone in

0:23:290:23:33

their early 20s changes their views,

and I think he has apologised and

0:23:330:23:37

that is clearly not the position of

the Conservative Party.

And it is

0:23:370:23:42

not the next age of Universal Credit

roller?

Of course it isn't.

Fair

0:23:420:23:47

enough.

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Now, we've all been there -

after a big lunch and maybe a glass

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on the green benches rather

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of the House's ruminations

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He did finally perk up,

just as Ken was offering

0:24:120:24:14

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of Fundamental Rights.

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Mr Swayne must be relieved

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It is 11:56am. It is a sunny

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scaffolding, the clock faces shining

through. Prime Minister's Questions

0:26:520:26:55

coming up in a couple of minutes and

we are joined by John Pienaar. I

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assume, given it involves public

sector contracts, outsourcing, all

0:27:020:27:06

that sort of thing, that Mr Corbyn

has no choice but to go on

0:27:060:27:09

Carillion.

I think he sees this as

an opportunity. It was described in

0:27:090:27:18

a social media video as a watershed.

That is how they see it. Potentially

0:27:180:27:23

in their hopes around Jeremy Corbyn,

a turning point where they turn the

0:27:230:27:27

tide of the argument against the

involvement of the private sector in

0:27:270:27:30

present form in these services of

the state, and it could be

0:27:300:27:35

interesting, although I'm always

hesitant to say that Prime

0:27:350:27:38

Minister's Questions is going to be

interesting.

These days that is

0:27:380:27:41

quite a bold statement.

But we will

see some sort of version of the

0:27:410:27:46

game, where does the buck stop? In

this case it is not just in case a

0:27:460:27:51

war the answers but what other

questions? Government ministers are

0:27:510:27:54

saying they will learn the lessons

of the Carillion affair but what

0:27:540:27:58

will these lessons be?

0:27:580:28:04

will these lessons be? Safeguards, a

better and clearer system of warning

0:28:040:28:06

lights were a company like

Carillion? But other in-built

0:28:060:28:10

problems system which can't be

ironed out? Is this an inevitable

0:28:100:28:14

consequence of the system that leads

winners and losers or should be

0:28:140:28:16

changed? Are these two questions

compatible? IPod is the government

0:28:160:28:21

have a clear line on this yet? The

government is in a different

0:28:210:28:28

position. They have substantial use

of private firms in the construction

0:28:280:28:32

of the structure and the root

servers for many years, going past

0:28:320:28:35

Labour governments and Gordon Brown

and Tony Blair. That is all by the

0:28:350:28:40

way because we have now got a new

leader. We can forget about BC,

0:28:400:28:45

before Corbyn, as far as this

argument goes. We have an

0:28:450:28:49

ideological split as white, may be

wider, than anything we have seen

0:28:490:28:52

since Margaret Thatcher, so that is

about the role of private sector in

0:28:520:28:58

the state in the 1980s. A lot of

enquiries are on the way, a couple

0:28:580:29:03

going to be taking place in

Parliament, in committee rooms,

0:29:030:29:06

probably the same time, and they

will lead to changes, but have

0:29:060:29:10

fundamental?

Government must feel on

the defensive on this.

I think they

0:29:100:29:14

must because when you see such a

high-profile failure, thousands of

0:29:140:29:17

public sector workers in doubt about

their future, private sector workers

0:29:170:29:21

with some certainty that their

futures are indeed question, lots of

0:29:210:29:26

Government money on the line, but we

don't how much, there are questions

0:29:260:29:29

that are difficult and a lot of

questions they can't answer so it is

0:29:290:29:33

going to test Theresa May.

Meanwhile

Brazil continues to trundle along in

0:29:330:29:37

terms of negotiations. Carillion, in

a way, we should all be grateful to

0:29:370:29:43

it because it is given something

else. About, even if there are bad

0:29:430:29:47

consequences to it, which is a

reason for not being grateful, but

0:29:470:29:52

is the EU on a kind of charm

offensive?

It is possible to over do

0:29:520:29:59

what Donald Tusk said the other day.

Which we do because that is what we

0:29:590:30:04

do. On one level of our brain, we

and the other part understand that

0:30:040:30:10

is to serious that. But when it

comes to Donald Tusk saying, we hope

0:30:100:30:15

to see you vote as if you will come

back. In saying that does not

0:30:150:30:21

necessarily make it any more likely,

beyond getting up the noses of the

0:30:210:30:24

Brexiteers. Which he succeeded in

doing. That was a surprise. Am I

0:30:240:30:31

right in thinking that the next

stage of the talks is not about our

0:30:310:30:38

actual future relationship with the

EU but we are going. First about the

0:30:380:30:42

transition period following March

2019.

Through the spring we are

0:30:420:30:49

supposed to be talking about the

divorce and the transition period.

0:30:490:30:53

This is crucial, the transition

particular, moving from being a

0:30:530:30:59

member to not being a member. The

government is committed to a time

0:30:590:31:03

period of maybe a couple of years.

There was an argument that says it

0:31:030:31:06

is going to lead a great deal more

than that and we're just at the

0:31:060:31:10

beginning of tying up a lot of those

details.

For governments, it usually

0:31:100:31:15

never rains but pours. There was a

BBC story this morning about the

0:31:150:31:19

number of nurses now just leaving

the NHS, including, I understand,

0:31:190:31:23

younger nurses, who probably haven't

completed their training all that

0:31:230:31:28

long ago. They have just decided to

go through all that training that

0:31:280:31:34

they don't want to be in the NHS.

That is so but it is layered on top

0:31:340:31:40

of a winter crisis. They have been

worried about it for many a month

0:31:400:31:51

and it has been argued the Brexiters

contributed, the number of nurses

0:31:510:31:58

from EU countries that have been

part of the workforce, is beginning

0:31:580:32:01

to dry up. The effects are being

felt.

It puts pressure... I hear

0:32:010:32:06

rumblings even on the Tory

backbenches, indeed even Jacob

0:32:060:32:10

Rees-Mogg, who you might not think

would be on the progressive wing of

0:32:100:32:13

the Tories, saying the Government is

going to have to come up with a new

0:32:130:32:17

model.

Sure. We're hearing this

interestingly from various quarters,

0:32:170:32:24

senior Conservative forces,

including the chairman of the 1922,

0:32:240:32:28

the tribal elders that the Tory

party at Westminster, talking about,

0:32:280:32:32

let's look at hi gated taxation,

earmarked taxes. Either way, there

0:32:320:32:37

is a recognition that crosses party

lines now but a long-term look at

0:32:370:32:41

NHS funding is a place we have not

been politically willing to go

0:32:410:32:47

before.

But if you were to announce

a long-term plan, if that was to

0:32:470:32:52

happen,, I think the key is in the

phrase long-term. Doesn't get us

0:32:520:32:55

through the funding problems we have

at the moment. It may have to do

0:32:550:33:00

both.

You can argue there is never

going to be enough money for the NHS

0:33:000:33:03

and you can sustain that argument.

You can also argue that the NHS will

0:33:030:33:08

need accelerating because that is

also true. In terms of how the

0:33:080:33:13

health system, preventative

medicine, all of this sort of thing,

0:33:130:33:15

there was a role for that, which

involve substantial transformation

0:33:150:33:19

in NHS pinking, to. On every level,

that is the sort of change that is

0:33:190:33:23

needed. The buck stops here and it

stops now.

And despite what critics

0:33:230:33:31

might say is death by a thousand

cuts, but that is the government

0:33:310:33:34

being assailed on all sides? Mrs May

is still there. She survives. She

0:33:340:33:43

keeps on going, Cabinet ministers

come and go, crises come and go. Her

0:33:430:33:50

resilience... I'm beginning to think

that even her critics are now

0:33:500:33:52

beginning to roll Appiah her for her

resilience is nothing else.

You can

0:33:520:33:58

safely say that is the case, certain

survival. Someone said somewhere,

0:33:580:34:03

maybe in a movie, about the World

War II Wellington bomb, whose chief

0:34:030:34:09

characteristic was the ability to

soak up black falling out of the

0:34:090:34:12

sky. Theresa May, among many other

things, seems to be our version of

0:34:120:34:17

that bomb.

I will have to get my old

air kicked out! On the Tory

0:34:170:34:24

backbenches, although there is no

enthusiasm for her, there is also no

0:34:240:34:28

move now to get rid of her?

That has

been so and still is. For reasons we

0:34:280:34:33

discussed more than once, which is

the sheer absence of a clear

0:34:330:34:39

successor and the absence of any

appetite on the backbenches to go

0:34:390:34:42

into a leadership contest, which is

in the most flattering reason to

0:34:420:34:45

carry on as Prime Minister but it is

a significant influence.

Do you

0:34:450:34:49

agree with that?

I've had the

privilege of working quite closely

0:34:490:34:52

with the Prime Minister, as I did

with the last one, and what I see

0:34:520:34:56

with is somebody who is very tough

and determined, has a real sense of

0:34:560:35:00

public service, and I think that is

what is driving her. She is not

0:35:000:35:03

somebody who is going to walk away

after a bad result, which we had

0:35:030:35:07

with the 27th election, she wants to

deliver for the country, and I think

0:35:070:35:11

that is what gets her up every

morning.

If, against all

0:35:110:35:15

conventional opinion, Mrs May does

survive, or this government does

0:35:150:35:18

survive, through to 2022, which is

when there has to be an election, I

0:35:180:35:25

will come back to that because, five

minutes late, we are going to PMQs.

0:35:250:35:27

This morning I had meetings in

addition to my duties in this House,

0:35:310:35:35

I shall have further such meetings

later today.

The Government must

0:35:350:35:40

take responsibility for its role in

the mess now left by Carillion.

0:35:400:35:46

Thousands of staff face

unemployment. SME suppliers face

0:35:460:35:49

going bust. But I'm concerned for

the 1400 Carillion apprentices, some

0:35:490:35:54

of whom I've met locally. It's not

good enough to pass the buck. Wilbur

0:35:540:36:01

Prime Minister guarantee today that

everyone of those apprentices will

0:36:010:36:04

be able to complete their training

and will be paid?

Well, can I say to

0:36:040:36:10

the honourable lady that I recognise

that of course this has been a

0:36:100:36:13

difficult time for a number of

people, concerned about their jobs

0:36:130:36:17

and public services and about their

pensions. I want first of all, if I

0:36:170:36:22

may, Mr Speaker, to provide

reassurance to all employees who are

0:36:220:36:25

working on public services for

Carillion that they shall continue

0:36:250:36:28

to turn up the works confident in

the knowledge that they will be paid

0:36:280:36:32

for the work that they are

providing. Of course, the Government

0:36:320:36:36

is not running Carillion. The

Government is actually a customer of

0:36:360:36:39

Carillion. Our focus has been on

ensuring that we are providing the

0:36:390:36:45

public services that they are

continuing to be provided and

0:36:450:36:52

interrupted -- and interrupted, to

reassure workers on those public

0:36:520:36:54

services that they will get paid. To

reassure pensioners, the support is

0:36:540:36:59

there for them. Yes, I'm coming onto

the apprentices. But it is important

0:36:590:37:07

that the Government is undertaking

its role to ensure that the services

0:37:070:37:11

it provides are continuing to be

provided. And I can assure the

0:37:110:37:14

honourable lady that we are aware of

the issues around apprentices, and

0:37:140:37:19

that's why the Minister with

responsibility for that will be

0:37:190:37:22

looking very carefully at what

action he takes.

Simon Hoare.

0:37:220:37:30

action he takes.

Simon Hoare.

What

better way to start the year of

0:37:310:37:35

engineering than to see

Manufacturing output at its highest

0:37:350:37:37

level in a decade? And productivity

on the up. Can I invite my right

0:37:370:37:45

honourable friend to commit and

confirm her Government to secure and

0:37:450:37:50

support UK manufacturing and the

important export it delivers?

Well,

0:37:500:37:56

I'm very happy, I'm very happy to

give my honourable friend that

0:37:560:38:00

commitment from the Government. And

he's absolutely right. It's very,

0:38:000:38:04

very pleasing to see the figures

that the ONS produced last week,

0:38:040:38:09

which show that production has now

grown for eight months, the longest

0:38:090:38:14

streak since 1994. Manufacturing

output is at its highest since

0:38:140:38:19

February 2008. And earlier this

month we saw the productivity growth

0:38:190:38:23

has had its best quarter since 2011.

That shows that our economy remains

0:38:230:38:29

strong, that we are continuing to

deliver secure, better paid jobs,

0:38:290:38:32

and we will continue to do that in

supporting our manufacturing sector.

0:38:320:38:37

Jeremy Corbyn.

Thank you, Mr

Speaker. In the last six months, the

0:38:370:38:44

Government has awarded more than £2

billion worth of contracts to

0:38:440:38:47

Carillion. It did so even after the

share price was in freefall, and the

0:38:470:38:55

company had issued profit warnings.

Why did the Government do that?

0:38:550:39:03

Why did the Government do that?

It

might be helpful if I just set out

0:39:030:39:06

for the right honourable gentleman

that a company's profit warning

0:39:060:39:12

means that it believes it will not

make as much profit as it had

0:39:120:39:16

expected to make.

LAUGHTER

0:39:160:39:22

If... If... The Government did... If

it was the case, if it was the case

0:39:260:39:35

that the Government pulled out of

contracts, or indeed private sector

0:39:350:39:40

companies pulled out of contracts

whenever a profit warning was

0:39:400:39:42

issued, that would be the best way

to ensure that companies failed and

0:39:420:39:48

the jobs were lost. It would also,

for the Government, raise real

0:39:480:39:57

issues about providing continued,

and interrupted public services.

0:39:570:39:59

Yes, we did, we did recognise that

it was a severe profit warning. And

0:39:590:40:06

that's why we took action in

relation to the contracts that we

0:40:060:40:09

issued. And we ensure that all but

one of those contracts was a joint

0:40:090:40:13

venture. What does that mean? It

means that there was another company

0:40:130:40:17

available to step in and take over

the contract. But I say the right

0:40:170:40:22

honourable gentleman, this wasn't

just an issue of the Government

0:40:220:40:27

issuing contracts. Actually we see

that the Labour run Welsh Government

0:40:270:40:32

issued a contract after a profit

warning last July. And only last

0:40:320:40:39

week, in the public sector, a public

sector body announced that Carillion

0:40:390:40:45

was their preferred bidder. Only

last week. Was that the Government?

0:40:450:40:50

No, that was Labour run Leeds City

Council.

0:40:500:40:57

Council.

Mr Speaker, for the record,

Leeds have not signed a contract

0:40:570:41:03

with Carillion. It's the Government

here's been handing out contracts.

0:41:030:41:09

It's the Goverment's responsibility

to ensure Carillion is properly

0:41:090:41:14

managed. Between July, Mr Speaker,

between July and the end of last

0:41:140:41:21

year, the share price of Carillion

fell by 90%. Three profit warnings

0:41:210:41:27

were issued. Unbelievably, some

contracts were awarded by the

0:41:270:41:32

Government even after the third

profit warning. Mr Speaker, it looks

0:41:320:41:40

like the Government was handing

Carillion public contracts either to

0:41:400:41:45

keep the company afloat, which

clearly hasn't worked, or it was

0:41:450:41:50

just deeply negligent of the crisis

that was coming down the line.

0:41:500:42:00

that was coming down the line.

Mr

Speaker, I'm very happy to once

0:42:000:42:02

questions when the right honourable

the woman asks one, but he didn't!

0:42:020:42:06

-- when the right honourable

gentleman.

0:42:060:42:09

Mr Speaker, I ask the Government if

they have been negligent or not, and

0:42:160:42:21

they clearly have been very

negligent. Tory MPs might shout, Mr

0:42:210:42:29

Speaker, but the reality is, as of

today, over 20,000 Carillion workers

0:42:290:42:34

are very worried about their future.

For many of them, the only recourse

0:42:340:42:39

tonight is the phone a DWP hotline.

The frailties were well-known. Hedge

0:42:390:42:47

fund is well betting against

Carillion since 2015. RBS banks,

0:42:470:42:53

state owned, making provision

against Carillion last year. The

0:42:530:42:56

Government is supposed to protect

public money through Crown

0:42:560:43:01

representatives, who was supposed to

monitor these powerful corporations

0:43:010:43:06

who get huge public contracts. So,

white, and this is a question, that

0:43:060:43:13

the Prime Minister needs to answer,

and the question is this... Why did

0:43:130:43:17

the position of Crown representative

to Carillion remained vacant during

0:43:170:43:25

the crucial period of August to

November, when the profit warnings

0:43:250:43:29

were being issued, the share price

was in freefall, and many people

0:43:290:43:33

were very worried?

I'm afraid I have

to say to the right honourable

0:43:330:43:39

gentleman, of course... And can I

say to the shadow front secretary, I

0:43:390:43:44

will indeed answer the question, but

I know that she herself has praised

0:43:440:43:48

Carillion in the past for the work

that they have done -- the Shadow

0:43:480:43:51

Foreign Secretary.

0:43:510:43:53

Can I say to the right honourable

gentleman, yes, there is obviously

0:43:590:44:03

now a Crown representative who's

been fully involved in the

0:44:030:44:06

Goverment's response. Before the

appointment of the Crown

0:44:060:44:11

representative, to replace the one

that had previously been in place,

0:44:110:44:14

the Government chief commercial

officer and the Cabinet Office

0:44:140:44:17

director of markets and suppliers

took over those responsibilities. It

0:44:170:44:20

was not the case that there was

nobody from the Government who was

0:44:200:44:24

looking at these issues, that's a

standard procedure, to ensure that

0:44:240:44:29

there was oversight of Carillion's

contracts with the Government during

0:44:290:44:32

the appointment of the Grand Rapids

and if.

Well, they clearly weren't

0:44:320:44:35

looking very well! Carillion went

into liquidation with debts we now

0:44:350:44:41

understand to be £1.29 billion. A

pension deficit of £600 million.

0:44:410:44:46

And, at the same time, this company

was paying out ever-increasing

0:44:460:44:50

shareholder dividends, whilst the

excessive bonuses to directors, and,

0:44:500:44:59

today, 8000 Carillion workers on

private sector contracts will no

0:44:590:45:02

longer be paid. The chief executive

is going to be paid, however, for

0:45:020:45:05

another ten months. One rule for the

super rich, another for everybody

0:45:050:45:11

else. Can the Prime Minister assure

the House today that not a single

0:45:110:45:16

penny more will go to the chief

executive or the directors of this

0:45:160:45:21

company?

Can I first stage of a

right honourable gentleman that

0:45:210:45:29

obviously this is a situation that

is changing as decisions are being

0:45:290:45:32

taken, but my understanding is that

there are a number of private sector

0:45:320:45:36

contracts who have now come to an

agreement, and facilities management

0:45:360:45:41

contractors who have come to an

agreement with the official receiver

0:45:410:45:44

that means that their work is --

their workers will indeed continue

0:45:440:45:50

to be paid. The official receiver is

doing their job of working with

0:45:500:45:53

those companies. He has raised the

issue of bonuses. Of course, people

0:45:530:45:57

are concerned about this issue and

want, and are rightly asking

0:45:570:46:02

questions about it. That's why we

are making sure that the official

0:46:020:46:05

receiver's investigation into the

business dealings of the company is

0:46:050:46:08

fast tracked, that it looks into the

conduct not just of current

0:46:080:46:14

directors, but also of previous

directors and their actions. And the

0:46:140:46:17

official receiver does have the

powers to ensure that, in reviewing

0:46:170:46:23

payments to executives, where those

payments are lawful are justified he

0:46:230:46:27

can take action to recover those

payments. -- are unlawful or

0:46:270:46:33

unjustified. It is important that

the official receiver is able to do

0:46:330:46:36

their job. It is also important, the

Goverment's job is to continue the

0:46:360:46:40

bright public services, and that is

what we are doing. The right

0:46:400:46:43

honourable gentleman said earlier,

it was the Goverment's job to ensure

0:46:430:46:48

that Carillion was properly managed.

We are because the of Carillion, not

0:46:480:46:52

the manager of Carillion, that is

the important difference but we are

0:46:520:46:56

the customer of Carillion. And it is

also important that we have

0:46:560:47:00

protected taxpayers from an

unacceptable bailout of a private

0:47:000:47:03

company.

Mr Speaker, when Carillion

went into liquidation, many

0:47:030:47:10

contractors were still unpaid. This

company, Carillion, were notorious

0:47:100:47:15

late payers, taking 120 days to pay,

placing a huge burden on small

0:47:150:47:23

companies. Four times longer than

the 30 days in the prompt payment

0:47:230:47:27

code that Carillion had indeed

themselves signed up to. So, why did

0:47:270:47:32

the Government allow a major

Government contractor to get away

0:47:320:47:36

with this? Will she commit to

label's policy that abiding by the

0:47:360:47:41

prompt payment code should be a

basic requirement for all future

0:47:410:47:45

Government contracts?

Of course, we

look at the behaviour of companies

0:47:450:47:54

that we contract with in relation to

payments. This question of prompt

0:47:540:47:58

payment has been one that has been

brought up in this House, I have to

0:47:580:48:02

say, for as long as I have been in

this House. And work is always being

0:48:020:48:07

done on it. But the right honourable

gentleman has raised an important

0:48:070:48:10

point about the impact of

Carillion's liquidation on small

0:48:100:48:14

companies. That's why this morning

the Business Secretary and the city

0:48:140:48:18

Minister held a Round Table with the

banks to discuss credit lines to

0:48:180:48:23

small and medium-sized enterprises,

and to make clear that SMEs are not

0:48:230:48:32

responsible for the collapse of

Carillion. The Business Secretary

0:48:320:48:34

has also held further round tables

today with representatives of small

0:48:340:48:36

businesses. Construction trade

associations, and trade unions,

0:48:360:48:38

workers unions, to make sure that we

are on top of the potential effects

0:48:380:48:42

on the wider supply train. It is

right that we look at those very

0:48:420:48:46

carefully and take this action. And

it is also right that we do put in

0:48:460:48:50

place through the DWP support for

any workers who do find themselves

0:48:500:48:54

no longer employed as a result of

this.

Jeremy Corbyn.

It's a bit late

0:48:540:49:00

for one subcontractor, floor attack

of £800,000 by Carillion have

0:49:000:49:04

already had to make some of their

staff redundant by the collapse. --

0:49:040:49:08

Florette Tech. This is not an

isolated case of Government

0:49:080:49:12

negligence and corporate failure. It

is a broken system. Under

0:49:120:49:22

is a broken system. Under this

Government, this Government, virgin

0:49:230:49:24

and Stagecoach, can spectacularly

mismanaged the east Coast Main line

0:49:240:49:30

and be let off a £2 billion payment.

Capita and a toss can continue to

0:49:300:49:37

wreck the lives through damaging

disability assessment of many people

0:49:370:49:42

with disabilities, and win more

Government funded contracts. G4S

0:49:420:49:47

promised to provide security at the

Olympics, and fail to so, do and the

0:49:470:49:51

army had to step in and save the

day. These corporations, Mr Speaker,

0:49:510:49:56

need to be shown the door. We need

our public services provided by

0:49:560:50:03

public employees with a public

service ethos, and a strong public

0:50:030:50:07

oversight. As the ruins of Carillion

lie around her, will the Prime

0:50:070:50:13

Minister act to end this costly

racket of the relationship between

0:50:130:50:18

Government and some of these

companies?

0:50:180:50:24

I might first to mind the right

honourable gentleman that a third of

0:50:240:50:27

the Carillion contracts with that

Government were led by the Labour

0:50:270:50:32

government. What we want is to

provide good quality public

0:50:320:50:40

services, delivered at best value to

the taxpayer. We're making sure in

0:50:400:50:45

this case that public services

continue to be provided, that the

0:50:450:50:48

workers in those public services are

supported and taxpayers are

0:50:480:50:52

protected. But what Labour oppose

isn't just a role for private

0:50:520:50:57

companies and public services but

the private sector as a whole. The

0:50:570:51:01

vast majority of people in this

country in employment are employed

0:51:010:51:05

by the private sector, but the

Shadow Chancellor calls businesses

0:51:050:51:10

are the real enemy. Labour won the

highest taxes in our peacetime

0:51:100:51:18

history, Labour policies would cause

a run on the pound. This is a Labour

0:51:180:51:23

Party that has turned its back on

investment, on growth, on jobs, a

0:51:230:51:29

Labour Party that will always but

politics before people.

0:51:290:51:41

Mr Speaker, can I thank the Prime

Minister for visiting Cheam on

0:51:450:51:51

Saturday, where she heard from local

residents about the poor services

0:51:510:51:55

provided by the complacent Lib Dem

council. People should not have to

0:51:550:51:59

settle for second best so would she

agree with me back to unlock Sutton

0:51:590:52:05

and London's potential on May the

3rd, by giving residents the

0:52:050:52:11

opportunity to get great services

and value for money by voting

0:52:110:52:14

Conservative?

I was very happy to

join my honourable friend on the

0:52:140:52:20

doorsteps in Cheam and hear from

people about the issues, about

0:52:200:52:24

Liberal Democrat services in Sutton

and Cheam, particularly around the

0:52:240:52:26

rubbish bins. I believe they are now

up to 6p per household. I think they

0:52:260:52:33

are trying to get to one Bendtner

every Liberal Democrat member of

0:52:330:52:36

Parliament. But he is absolutely

right, the evidence is that

0:52:360:52:43

Conservatives deliver better

services at less cost the council

0:52:430:52:45

taxpayer. And well we are talking

about customer council taxpayer,

0:52:450:52:51

only last week Labour's Ben Fryer

minister announced that Labour

0:52:510:52:55

policy was to put council tax up on

every average typical home by £320.

0:52:550:53:02

People should know that a vote for

Labour is a vote to pay more.

0:53:020:53:11

Labour is a vote to pay more.

Thank

you, Mr Speaker. Can the Prime

0:53:110:53:13

Minister tell the House what

official advice she has had on the

0:53:130:53:19

impact on the UK economy from

leaving the EU single market and

0:53:190:53:22

when she requested any such advice?

I have to say to be honourable

0:53:220:53:29

gentleman that of course as we go

through the Brexit negotiations, we

0:53:290:53:34

are constantly looking at the impact

that decisions that are taken will

0:53:340:53:38

have on our economy. What we want to

ensure is that we maintain good

0:53:380:53:43

access, a good conference of free

trade agreement with the EU, while

0:53:430:53:48

also, as leaving the EU, we will be

able to ensure that we get good free

0:53:480:53:52

trade agreements with other parts of

the world.

Thank you, Mr Speaker. 19

0:53:520:54:00

months after the EU referendum and

the Prime Minister has not a shred

0:54:000:54:05

of economic analysis on the impact

of leaving the single market. On

0:54:050:54:12

Monday, Scottish Government

published its second analysis paper,

0:54:120:54:15

revealing some horrifying facts.

Leaving the single market will cost

0:54:150:54:20

each Scottish citizen up to £2300 a

year. How many jobs have to be lost

0:54:200:54:27

and how much of a hit will families

take before this Prime Minister

0:54:270:54:34

recognises the folly of leaving the

single market?

He asks me for

0:54:340:54:41

economic analysis. I will give him

some economic analysis. We saw the

0:54:410:54:45

figures this morning for GDP growth

in Scotland. In the third quarter,

0:54:450:54:49

GDP in Scotland group by 0.2%. In

the rest of the UK it grew by 0.4%.

0:54:490:54:59

Over the last year, GDP in Scotland,

under an SNP government in Scotland,

0:54:590:55:05

grew by 0.6%. In the United Kingdom

as a whole, it grew by 1.7%. My

0:55:050:55:15

economic analysis, 1.7% is better

than 0.6 percentage you are better

0:55:150:55:21

off with a Conservative government

than an SNP won.

Will the Prime

0:55:210:55:27

Minister look at the case of my late

constituent and barnyard, who was

0:55:270:55:32

badly injured by a shoplifter. She

recently died, partly because of

0:55:320:55:38

these injuries at the young age of

70. -- Anne Banyard. Her claim has

0:55:380:55:44

been delayed and her family worries

that it will collapse completely.

0:55:440:55:49

Will she support me and the local

paper in supporting this case and

0:55:490:55:52

will to make clear that the rights

of victims should be a part of our

0:55:520:55:58

criminal policy?

My honourable

friend is right to put the case for

0:55:580:56:00

the rights of victims that he is

absolutely right that we should

0:56:000:56:03

always remember victims. I'm very

sorry to hear the case of his late

0:56:030:56:08

constituent Anne Banyard and I know

that the whole house will want to

0:56:080:56:11

join me in offering condolences to

her family in this tragic case. Of

0:56:110:56:16

course, as my honourable friend

knows, the criminal compensation

0:56:160:56:21

authority administers the scheme and

applies the rules dependably of

0:56:210:56:26

government but I'm sure the Justice

Secretary will be happy to meet with

0:56:260:56:29

my right honourable friend to

discuss this case.

At the

0:56:290:56:33

internationally embarrassing news of

the Tory council leader from my

0:56:330:56:40

neighbour in Maidenhead and Windsor

and his disregard for the homeless

0:56:400:56:42

around the royal wedding and the

recent put-downs to the Prime

0:56:420:56:46

Minister and our government by

President Trump, can the Prime

0:56:460:56:48

Minister confirm whether she

actually wants an invite to be

0:56:480:56:52

extended for the royal wedding and a

state visit to the very stable

0:56:520:56:56

genius from the US who, by the way,

seems to be copying all the

0:56:560:57:00

buzzwords from his not so strong and

stable -- from this not so strong

0:57:000:57:05

and stable government?

He knows that

we have a special during

0:57:050:57:10

relationship with the United States.

An invitation to President Trump for

0:57:100:57:13

a state visit has been extended. I

have to say to the honourable

0:57:130:57:18

gentleman, I'm not responsible for

invitations to the royal wedding to

0:57:180:57:21

take place but he did reference the

Royal Borough of Windsor and

0:57:210:57:24

Maidenhead council. I just think he

should be aware that the Royal

0:57:240:57:29

Borough has taken a number of

actions to support vulnerable

0:57:290:57:33

residents, including those who are

homeless. The establishment of an

0:57:330:57:37

emergency night shelter, open 365

days a year, a day service attached

0:57:370:57:43

to that, providing support services

to vulnerable residents, a

0:57:430:57:46

comprehensive seven day a week

service for the homeless or those at

0:57:460:57:50

risk of homelessness, and they

applied the severe weather emergency

0:57:500:57:55

protocol. They offered accommodation

to, I think, 32 homeless people on

0:57:550:58:01

the streets, of whom 21 took about

accommodation and 11 did not.

0:58:010:58:09

accommodation and 11 did not.

Thank

you, Mr Speaker. Cancer can strike

0:58:090:58:11

anyone no matter where they live in

the UK. The sunrise appeal in

0:58:110:58:15

Cornwall raised £300 million since

2000 to fund equipment and buildings

0:58:150:58:19

for cancer care. Brussels by the NHS

could see radiotherapy services

0:58:190:58:23

moved from Cornwall to Devon. This

would see many constituents having

0:58:230:58:27

to travel hundreds of miles to

access treatment many times a week.

0:58:270:58:31

These proposals are unacceptable to

my constituents and the vast

0:58:310:58:34

majority of people in Cornwall. Does

the Prime Minister agree with me

0:58:340:58:38

that travel time should be taken

into account when making these

0:58:380:58:41

decisions, and will she join me in

encouraging the people of Cornwall

0:58:410:58:44

to respond to the NHS consultation?

My honourable friend raises an

0:58:440:58:48

important point and we do want to be

sure that patients get the best

0:58:480:58:52

cancer services. We want to see them

getting access to treatment and

0:58:520:58:55

ensuring that they get that on a

timely fashion, of course. The

0:58:550:58:58

length of time it takes them to

travel to that treatment is an

0:58:580:59:02

important issue. That's why we are

establishing radiotherapy networks

0:59:020:59:05

that will review any access issues

and service provision on a regular

0:59:050:59:09

basis and address any shortcomings

in the area, and that is backed up

0:59:090:59:14

by £130 million on new and upgraded

radiotherapy machines. But he is

0:59:140:59:18

absolutely right that these

decisions should be taken primarily

0:59:180:59:21

at a local level and I would join

him in encouraging the people of

0:59:210:59:24

Cornwall to respond to the

consultation.

Mr Speaker, last week

0:59:240:59:30

my constituent Carol's son had a

mental health crisis. He was

0:59:300:59:35

admitted to the nearest available

psychiatric adult bed in West

0:59:350:59:39

Sussex, a 450 mile round trip from

his home and family in Manchester.

0:59:390:59:43

The lack of mental health beds is a

national crisis and scandal so when

0:59:430:59:48

will the Prime Minister turn her

warm words on mental health into

0:59:480:59:51

action to solve the crisis?

I can

say to the honourable gentleman,

0:59:510:59:56

obviously I am sorry to hear of the

experience of his constituent. We

0:59:560:59:59

are turning the words that we have

put on in terms of a priority for

0:59:591:00:05

mental health into action. Is them

over a slew? Yes, that is why we are

1:00:051:00:08

continuing to put an emphasis on

this. We do see more people being

1:00:081:00:12

able to access mental health

services everyday. We've increased

1:00:121:00:15

the number of people having access

to therapies, we've increased the

1:00:151:00:19

funding available for mental health.

There is more for us to do but we

1:00:191:00:23

are putting more money in and taking

more action on mental health than

1:00:231:00:25

any previous government.

1:00:251:00:31

any previous government.

Sir Desmond

Swayne.

1:00:311:00:32

CHEERING

Order! Order! The right honourable

1:00:321:00:40

gentleman is extremely alert! Order!

And I want to hear what he is going

1:00:401:00:47

to say.

A question keeps me awake at

night...

1:00:471:00:51

LAUGHTER

How will companies be encouraged to

1:00:511:00:59

follow her lead in the way that

Iceland has done?

I am very pleased

1:00:591:01:05

to say that we have seen Iceland

this week making a commitment to be

1:01:051:01:10

plastic free. We have seen other

companies making commitments to

1:01:101:01:13

ensure that any plastics they use

are recyclable in a number of years

1:01:131:01:18

and I'm very happy to join my

honourable friend in saying that we

1:01:181:01:22

will be encouraging companies to

follow Iceland's lead. We will also

1:01:221:01:26

be consulting on how the tax system

or the introduction of charges could

1:01:261:01:29

further reduce the amount of waste

we create and we are launching a new

1:01:291:01:33

plastics innovation fund, backed up

by additional funding that the

1:01:331:01:37

Government is investing in research

and develop and, to ensure that we

1:01:371:01:41

do really reduce the amount of

plastic that is used and leave this

1:01:411:01:47

land and environment in a better

state than we found it.

We can all

1:01:471:01:51

learn about brevity, myself

included, from the right honourable

1:01:511:01:54

gentleman. David Linden...

1:01:541:02:00

gentleman. David Linden...

A

constituent of buying has profound

1:02:001:02:03

mental health difficulties and was

put on Universal Credit in 2016 and

1:02:031:02:08

received a 276 day sanction. A judge

ruled that that sanction was wrong

1:02:081:02:13

and it has been overturned. Will the

Prime Minister agree to look into

1:02:131:02:16

that case but above all, will she

apologised to my constituent?

1:02:161:02:21

Obviously, I am sorry to hear the

case that the honourable gentleman

1:02:211:02:24

has set out. I am very happy to

ensure that that cases properly

1:02:241:02:26

looked into.

1:02:261:02:35

looked into.

Thank you, Mr Speaker.

Following transport for the North's

1:02:351:02:38

announcement on northern Powerhouse

rail, will the Prime Minister

1:02:381:02:41

confirm that given its commitment to

invest in northern transport

1:02:411:02:44

infrastructure and ensuring that the

northern Powerhouse materialises?

I

1:02:441:02:48

am happy to give a commitment to the

northern Powerhouse and given the

1:02:481:02:53

great cities across the North --

giving very great cities of the

1:02:531:03:00

North begins a search of a need to

create that Northern Powerhouse. We

1:03:001:03:03

are spending a record £13 billion to

transform transport across unaltered

1:03:031:03:08

top we have made transport for the

north of a need to create that

1:03:081:03:10

Northern Powerhouse. We are spending

a record £13 billion to transform

1:03:101:03:13

transport across unaltered top we

have made transport for the North

1:03:131:03:15

the first-ever subnational transport

authority. They have published their

1:03:151:03:17

strategic plan for consultation and

I would hope that all members with

1:03:171:03:19

an interest in this issue would

engage in that consultation and make

1:03:191:03:22

sure their views and their

constituents' views are heard.

His

1:03:221:03:29

Holiness Pope Francis has this week

condemned hostility to migrants in

1:03:291:03:32

communities across Europe. They must

open themselves without prejudice to

1:03:321:03:37

the rich diversity of immigrants. As

a committed Christian, would Prime

1:03:371:03:43

Minister agree with Francis that

hostility to migrants is a sin?

What

1:03:431:03:49

I say to her is that this country

has a fine record over not just

1:03:491:03:56

decades but centuries, of welcoming

refugees and ensuring that people

1:03:561:04:00

can come to this country and make

their home in this country, and that

1:04:001:04:03

is what we will continue to do.

1:04:031:04:11

is what we will continue to do.

John

Worboys is likely to be one of the

1:04:111:04:15

worst sex attack is our country has

ever known and when he was in court

1:04:151:04:20

he denied his guilt and was

continuing to deny it until 200

1:04:201:04:23

years ago. He dismissed his crimes

as banter and only last year was

1:04:231:04:26

deemed too dangerous to be put into

open release conditions. The short

1:04:261:04:30

sentence he has served is an insult

to his victims and shows a contempt

1:04:301:04:35

for Justice. Does the Prime Minister

agree with me that the decision must

1:04:351:04:39

now be judiciary the -- judicially

reviewed and that those cases should

1:04:391:04:46

be broader when tried in court?

I

thank him for raising this and this

1:04:461:04:51

is a case that is rightly raising

deep concern among the public but

1:04:511:04:55

also all members across this House.

As my honourable friend will know,

1:04:551:05:01

the Parole Board is rightly

independent of government and even

1:05:011:05:04

insensitive cases such as this, we

must ensure that independence is

1:05:041:05:08

maintained and we don't prejudice

decisions. But although they have

1:05:081:05:12

decided to approve his release with

stringent licensing decisions --

1:05:121:05:17

conditions, the Justice Secretary

has made clear she is taking legal

1:05:171:05:20

advice on the possibility of a

judicially -- judicially review on

1:05:201:05:25

Mr Dock it is right that we would

conduct a review to look at options

1:05:251:05:29

for change and this... Public

protection is our priority and I

1:05:291:05:35

think often people are concerned

when they see decisions of the

1:05:351:05:38

Parole Board being taken and they

are not aware of the decisions

1:05:381:05:42

behind that. There may be limits to

what can be done but I figured it's

1:05:421:05:45

right that we look into this case

and question the issue of

1:05:451:05:49

transparency.

Many thanks. By

constituent informed me that she had

1:05:491:05:53

been raped and beaten by her

ex-partner, requiring an injunction.

1:05:531:05:59

Much to her horror, the bank would

not close a joint account unless she

1:05:591:06:03

attended with the perpetrator. When

banks were left to their discretion,

1:06:031:06:09

women's lies are being put at risk.

Will the Prime Minister ensure

1:06:091:06:15

policy to protect survivors is

included in a pending domestic

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violence spills?

1:06:181:06:22

The honourable lady clearly raises a

very distressing case. We want to

1:06:221:06:26

ensure that we give problems of bot

to all of those -- we give proper

1:06:261:06:30

support to those who have been

subjected to be abuse of the kind

1:06:301:06:34

that the honourable lady has been

referred to. The Home Secretary will

1:06:341:06:39

be issuing consultation on the

proposed legislation which is an

1:06:391:06:43

opportunity for issues such as this

to be raised.

Thank you, Mr Speaker.

1:06:431:06:48

A brutal attack occurred in my

constituency over the weekend, a

1:06:481:06:52

young woman tragically died. Will

the Prime Minister ex then to her

1:06:521:06:59

sympathies to the family and pay

tributes to the hard work of the

1:06:591:07:03

emergency services who attended the

scene?

Can I say to my honourable

1:07:031:07:07

friend Comey he told me about this

very distressing case last night,

1:07:071:07:11

and this is a horrific case. And I

do extend my sympathies, and I'm

1:07:111:07:15

sure the whole House extends their

sympathies and condolences to her

1:07:151:07:18

family and friends at this tragic

death that has occurred. I will also

1:07:181:07:24

congratulate the emergency services

on the action that they have taken.

1:07:241:07:29

But also, I think, from the

description my honourable friend

1:07:291:07:32

gave to me last night, I think we

should have some thought and care to

1:07:321:07:38

all of those who were witnesses to

this particular incident, through

1:07:381:07:41

their fault of their own other than

happening to be at a particular

1:07:411:07:46

premises at liberty to The Times or

through no fault of their own.

The

1:07:461:07:51

Prime Minister will be aware that

Northern Ireland has not have the

1:07:511:07:54

government now for over a year.

Decisions need to be taken to

1:07:541:07:58

protect our health service,

education and local communities.

1:07:581:08:01

Does the Prime Minister agree that

in the absence of a Government being

1:08:011:08:06

formed, it is imperative that her

Government takes the decision to

1:08:061:08:09

appoint direct rule ministers as

soon as possible so that a budget

1:08:091:08:14

can be put forward to deal with this

urgent problem?

We are committed to

1:08:141:08:22

re-establishing fully functioning,

inclusive devolved administration

1:08:221:08:24

that works for everyone in Northern

Ireland. I don't underestimate the

1:08:241:08:28

challenges that remain involved

here, but we still believe that a

1:08:281:08:31

way forward can be found under the

agreement can be reached. I would

1:08:311:08:34

say it is imperative that the

parties re-engage in intensive

1:08:341:08:38

discussions aimed at resolving the

outstanding issues so that the

1:08:381:08:42

assembly can meet and an executive

can be formed. We do recognise,

1:08:421:08:47

however, that we have a

responsibility to ensure political

1:08:471:08:50

stability and good governance in

Northern Ireland. As I say, our

1:08:501:08:55

priority was on ensuring that we can

work with bodies to re-establish the

1:08:551:08:59

devolved government in Northern

Ireland. But we recognise the need

1:08:591:09:02

to ensure that Northern Ireland can

continue to operate and that public

1:09:021:09:06

services can continue to be

provided.

I thank her for her

1:09:061:09:14

earlier response to my colleague

from North Cornwall. NHS England are

1:09:141:09:21

investing £130 million in the

radiotherapy treatment for air and

1:09:211:09:23

less common cancers. Can she confirm

and reassure my constituents that

1:09:231:09:28

there is no need for existing good

radiotherapy services in Somerset to

1:09:281:09:33

be moved in order to deliver this

cancer treatment for our cancers?

1:09:331:09:37

Well, as I said in relation to the

earlier question from my honourable

1:09:371:09:42

friend -- for rare cancers. We

recognise the importance of ensuring

1:09:421:09:46

that people have access to these

treatments, and we do recognise the

1:09:461:09:50

issues that people sometimes face in

relation to travelling to the

1:09:501:09:54

centres where these services are

available. This is primarily a

1:09:541:09:58

decision to be taken at local level.

As I did earlier, I would encourage

1:09:581:10:02

people to take part in the

consultation, to respond to the

1:10:021:10:06

consultation, so that local views

can truly be heard and taken into

1:10:061:10:09

account.

My constituent, Chris

Robinson, has the weight 52 weeks

1:10:091:10:15

for her pain relief treatment,

instead of the 18 weeks that a

1:10:151:10:20

properly funded NHS would deliver.

How much longer will it take for the

1:10:201:10:25

Prime Minister to sort things out?

Can I say to the honourable

1:10:251:10:31

gentleman, that we are putting more

money, as he knows, into the

1:10:311:10:35

National Health Service, in the

autumn budget the Chancellor of the

1:10:351:10:39

Exchequer but a further £2.8 billion

into the National Health Service.

1:10:391:10:43

But if we are looking at the issues

of treatment across the National

1:10:431:10:47

Health Service, we have to be very

clear that while Labour's answer is

1:10:471:10:52

always does, more money, this is

about ensuring that all hospitals

1:10:521:10:55

across the NHS are operating and

acting in accordance with best

1:10:551:11:01

practice. We have world-class

hospitals in our NHS, we want to

1:11:011:11:05

ensure they are all world-class.

I

understand London has been mentioned

1:11:051:11:12

as a potential host to the Bayeux

Tapestry. Given that visitors to

1:11:121:11:16

London wish to see two site chucking

at each other or already very well

1:11:161:11:22

catered for by the gallery in this

chamber, can I ask the Prime

1:11:221:11:26

Minister to put in a good word for

Battle Abbey in East Sussex, where

1:11:261:11:29

viewers cannot just see the tapestry

-- can not just see the tapestry but

1:11:291:11:36

can also see the views of the Sussex

countryside.

I think it is very

1:11:361:11:42

significant that the Bayeux Tapestry

is going to be coming to the United

1:11:421:11:45

Kingdom and that people are going to

be able to see this. I hear the bid

1:11:451:11:49

that he has put in. I have to say to

him that from a set of true position

1:11:491:11:54

on the front bench my right

honourable friend the Home Secretary

1:11:541:11:56

and member for Hastings also put in

a bid for this particular issue and

1:11:561:12:00

I'm sure we will be looking at very

carefully to ensure that the maximum

1:12:001:12:04

number of people can take benefit

from seeing this tapestry.

Thank

1:12:041:12:11

you, Mr Speaker. The Prime Minister

pledged to consign slavery to the

1:12:111:12:13

history books. On... The National

Audit Office said that the Home

1:12:131:12:16

Office has not set out how a

reduction will be measured. The Home

1:12:161:12:20

Office does not set clear

anti-slavery activity, the Home

1:12:201:12:23

Office does not knowing what

activity will be going on across

1:12:231:12:26

Government and does not monitor

business compliance with the Modern

1:12:261:12:30

Slavery Act. Is the Prime Minister

satisfied with that analysis of her

1:12:301:12:34

flagship policy, and what action

will be Government by taking?

It is

1:12:341:12:37

this government that introduced the

Modern Slavery Act. It is this

1:12:371:12:41

Government that... It is this

Government that has improved the

1:12:411:12:49

response to victims, the response

from police in catching

1:12:491:12:52

perpetrators. We see more cases

being brought the prosecution than

1:12:521:12:56

we have done before, we see more

victim is willing and able to come

1:12:561:13:00

forward and having the confidence to

come forward. Have we dealt with the

1:13:001:13:04

problem? Of course there are still

problems out there. But we want to

1:13:041:13:08

ensure, as my right honourable

friend the International Development

1:13:081:13:12

Secretary said earlier in

international element questions, not

1:13:121:13:15

just that we take action here in the

United Kingdom, that we work with

1:13:151:13:18

countries where

1:13:181:13:27

countries where the women are doing.

Members across this House have sung

1:13:271:13:32

for Syrians. Last week in Idlib, a

clinic and a kindergarten that we

1:13:321:13:37

support were bombed by Syrian

government destroyers. Will the

1:13:371:13:43

Prime Minister join me in paying

tribute to the bravery of the staff

1:13:431:13:49

at the hands up foundation, who

continued to work there, and also in

1:13:491:13:54

reassuring ordinary Syrians that in

the seventh year of this terrible

1:13:541:13:58

war that we haven't forgotten them

by.

Well, can I say to my honourable

1:13:581:14:03

friend, she has been a great

champion for charities working in

1:14:031:14:07

Syria, and particularly for the

singing for Syrians. And I am very

1:14:071:14:12

happy to join her in praising the

bravery of all of those working for

1:14:121:14:15

the hands up foundation. And also

others working for other charities

1:14:151:14:19

in the region, doing valuable and

important work. We continue to make

1:14:191:14:23

every effort to achieve our goals in

Syria. That is of course defeating

1:14:231:14:28

the scourge of Daesh. But also

ensuring that we achieve a political

1:14:281:14:32

settlement that end the suffering

and provides the ability for all

1:14:321:14:35

Syrians and the wider region. And we

continue to provide significant

1:14:351:14:42

humanitarian assistance, £2.46

billion to date.

Can the Prime

1:14:421:14:45

Minister tell me why the failed

Wakefield Academy was allowed to

1:14:451:14:51

take over schools in Bradford, even

though there were concerns as far

1:14:511:14:55

back as 2015 around them? Can she

give me assurances here today that

1:14:551:15:02

the hundreds of thousands of pounds

taken from schools in my

1:15:021:15:06

constituency, one of the poorest in

the country, will be returned

1:15:061:15:09

immediately.

We of course have a

priority to ensure that children

1:15:091:15:15

across the country receive a great

education, whether they are in the

1:15:151:15:19

north or the South. Of course, seven

of our 12 opportunity areas in

1:15:191:15:23

providing that support or in the

North and Midlands, the front line

1:15:231:15:27

of our approach, tackling inequality

in education outcomes. We are taking

1:15:271:15:31

forward, he is concerned about

northerners Gauls, we are taking

1:15:311:15:35

forward recommendations for the

Northern Powerhouse schools

1:15:351:15:37

strategy. We are putting record

levels of funding into our schools,

1:15:371:15:42

and have announced increased funding

for our schools over the next two

1:15:421:15:44

years.

I'm local charities will be

holding a meeting to discuss how we

1:15:441:15:51

can fight the problem of loneliness

in our community. At a national

1:15:511:15:56

level, what is the Prime Minister

doing to implement the important

1:15:561:16:00

recommendations of the Jo Cox

commission on loneliness?

My

1:16:001:16:03

honourable friend has raised a very

important issue, he is exactly

1:16:031:16:07

right, but too many people,

loneliness is the exact reality of

1:16:071:16:10

their modern wife. We know it has an

impact on mental and physical

1:16:101:16:14

health. -- of their modern life.

Later today, I will be hosting a

1:16:141:16:19

reception for the Jo Cox foundation

looking at this issue of loneliness

1:16:191:16:23

in number ten Downing St. I think

the work that Jo Cox started that

1:16:231:16:27

has been continued by my honourable

friend is a member for South Ribble,

1:16:271:16:33

and the honourable lady for Leeds

West. It is very important, very

1:16:331:16:41

important work. And I'm pleased to

say that the Government has

1:16:411:16:45

appointed a Minister for loneliness.

I think this is an importance that

1:16:451:16:50

forward, of course there is more to

do, but it shows that we recognise

1:16:501:16:53

the importance of this issue, and I

pay tribute to all of those in this

1:16:531:16:57

House who have championed this

issue.

You Universal Credit was

1:16:571:17:00

meant to remove benefit traps. The

Department for education wants to

1:17:001:17:08

base eligibility for free school

meals on income threshold, if a

1:17:081:17:12

family gets a small pay rise, they

immediately lose the benefit of the

1:17:121:17:16

school meals and end up worse off.

It is a far worse benefit trap than

1:17:161:17:21

anything in the old benefit system.

Surely one department should not be

1:17:211:17:26

torpedoing the aim of getting rid of

benefit traps. The Goverment's aims

1:17:261:17:29

in this way.

The right honourable

gentleman knows that we believe that

1:17:291:17:35

Universal Credit is a better system.

It is a more simple system than the

1:17:351:17:39

benefits it replaced and it

encourages work -- people to get

1:17:391:17:45

into the workplace. But once

Universal Credit is fully rolled

1:17:451:17:49

out, we will see 50,000 more

children eligible for free school

1:17:491:17:52

meals than under the old system.

Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can I welcome

1:17:521:17:58

the great speech that the Prime

Minister gave last Thursday on the

1:17:581:18:03

environment? It is right that the

Prime Minister and indeed this party

1:18:031:18:09

supports companies that promote

sustainable growth, but does the

1:18:091:18:12

Prime Minister also agree with me

that any commercial development must

1:18:121:18:17

take now into account the needs of

the environment?

Can I say to my

1:18:171:18:23

honourable friend, I thank him for

the comments he made about the

1:18:231:18:26

speech. But what it was about was

the 25 year environment plan that

1:18:261:18:30

the guv -- the Government has

published. It is important to leave

1:18:301:18:38

the environment in a better state

than when we came into it. I also

1:18:381:18:41

agree with him that all too often

people see economic growth or

1:18:411:18:46

protection of the environment as

opposites, they are not. And it is

1:18:461:18:50

absolutely possible for us to ensure

that we are protecting our

1:18:501:18:53

environment whilst producing that

economic growth, not least because

1:18:531:18:57

of the innovative technologies that

we could be developing to ensure

1:18:571:18:59

that we are protecting our

environment.

The people of Wales

1:18:591:19:06

have been taking back control since

1999. But the EU withdrawal bill

1:19:061:19:11

will put our powers back under lock

and key in Westminster. My

1:19:111:19:15

colleague, Stefan Langer is a, is

today proposing a Welsh continuity

1:19:151:19:19

built to ensure that our powers are

at liberty. When this Plaid Cymru

1:19:191:19:24

bill wins image team our Assembly,

will the Prime Minister support it

1:19:241:19:32

and respect Wales' serenity.

Her

portrayal of what is happening in

1:19:321:19:37

the EU withdrawal bill is simply

wrong. We are working with the

1:19:371:19:43

devolved administrations to ensure

that we deal with the issues that

1:19:431:19:46

have been raised around clause 11

and a question of powers that need

1:19:461:19:51

to remain at UK level to ensure our

internal market, but powers will be

1:19:511:19:56

devolved and extra powers will be

devolved to the devolved

1:19:561:19:59

ministrations. We continue to work

with the devolved administrations on

1:19:591:20:03

this, and we will be bringing

forward a two clause amendment in

1:20:031:20:07

the House of Lords, but we want to

win sure that that meets the needs

1:20:071:20:11

of the UK and the devolved

ministrations.

Order.

1:20:111:20:14

Well, we were right. Mr Corbyn did

go on Carillion, the bankrupt, now

1:20:191:20:26

being liquidated, construction

company and he wanted to know from

1:20:261:20:29

the Prime Minister why when it was

clear that the company was in

1:20:291:20:32

serious trouble the Government

continued to dole out contracts to

1:20:321:20:36

it. There were times when you may

have thought he'd been watching the

1:20:361:20:39

first half hour of the Daily

Politics, such was his line of

1:20:391:20:43

questioning, or at least some of his

staff may well have been. I'm not

1:20:431:20:46

quite sure how much further we got

on with this but it finished up,

1:20:461:20:54

really, with Mr Corbyn attacking

almost the very concept of

1:20:541:20:57

outsourcing to the private sector,

private services and perhaps even

1:20:571:21:04

construction contracts. That was

quite clear. And Mrs May giving the

1:21:041:21:10

defence of the private sector in the

provision of public services, and

1:21:101:21:16

ideological divide if you like.

Let's discuss this with the Cabinet

1:21:161:21:19

office minister Oliver Dowden, Chi

Onwurah, and John Pienaar. Not sure

1:21:191:21:27

we learned anything new from that

exchange.

No and Jeremy Corbyn was

1:21:271:21:31

spoiled for choice for attack lines,

a number of which I think had a fair

1:21:311:21:37

chance of striking a chord with the

public looking in - the awarding of

1:21:371:21:42

quite large pay and severance

bonuses and deals to past executives

1:21:421:21:45

who were there just a few months ago

while this company was going down. A

1:21:451:21:49

lot of people will have sympathy

with that line of attack. The

1:21:491:21:53

question posed by Jeremy Corbyn,

which you were discussing earlier,

1:21:531:21:57

why were contracts being handed over

to this company when it was in such,

1:21:571:22:01

such trouble. We had from Theresa

May most of the time a fairly

1:22:011:22:06

defensive dead bat to this. She did

and so that latter question quite

1:22:061:22:09

bluntly, made more bluntly than

Oliver felt able to early on the

1:22:091:22:13

show, when he said, if we had not

handed these contracts over because

1:22:131:22:18

there had been profit warnings, the

company would have gone down the

1:22:181:22:21

plug that much sooner and those jobs

would have gone. Which still left

1:22:211:22:24

other questions unanswered. If that

is the complete answer, next time

1:22:241:22:28

will there be another company

teetering on the brink which is

1:22:281:22:30

still given contracts in this way,

and the failure barely addressed?

1:22:301:22:36

Surely the answer is going to have

to be no and the answer will have to

1:22:361:22:39

come at a review is taken now but

they ended up with basic ideology,

1:22:391:22:42

which is where it starts.

Oliver

Dowden, the Prime Minister said they

1:22:421:22:47

couldn't pull out of contract

because that would have made certain

1:22:471:22:49

that the company would fail. But the

issue is not pulling out of

1:22:491:22:53

contract, the issue was continuing

to grant new contracts to the

1:22:531:22:58

company even though it was clearly

in trouble. That's a different

1:22:581:23:00

matter.

Yes, and in respect of that,

as we discussed earlier, we

1:23:001:23:06

structure them in such a way that

they were joint ventures, we were

1:23:061:23:10

stringent on the joint ventures.

What you've seen subsequently is

1:23:101:23:12

that the other parties are stepped

up there has been no interruption to

1:23:121:23:16

public service delivery. John makes

an important point about jobs. In

1:23:161:23:21

relation to jobs, anyone working in

the public sector, 40 %, their jobs

1:23:211:23:25

are secure because the Government is

going to pay out on this contract

1:23:251:23:28

and we know this morning from the

official receiver that in relation

1:23:281:23:32

to the private sector service

contracts, most of those will

1:23:321:23:36

continue, so people can be secure in

that section.

But they won't be

1:23:361:23:40

paid?

They will continue to be paid

because those contracts are going to

1:23:401:23:44

continue to be honoured because they

will continue to be delivered on.

If

1:23:441:23:48

you are an SME, a small contractor

that Carillion gets the big contract

1:23:481:23:52

then hands out hundreds, if not

thousands, of smaller contracts and,

1:23:521:23:58

for the last 120 days, you've been

working away and you put your bill

1:23:581:24:01

in as a small contractor, the

company is now in liquidation. That

1:24:011:24:07

private company won't get paid.

In

respect will it? Carillion Bosworth

1:24:071:24:18

company has two parts, 4010 public

sector and 6010 private sector. In

1:24:181:24:21

relation to the 40 percentage the

public sector, through the official

1:24:211:24:24

receiver those contracts will be

honoured all the way through the

1:24:241:24:27

supply chain service people will be

fine. In relation to the contract

1:24:271:24:31

the private sector, almost all of

the service contracts will continue

1:24:311:24:34

to be honoured because, for example,

if you have a cleaning contract, the

1:24:341:24:39

officer still needs to be cleaned so

those will be delivered upon.

1:24:391:24:42

Clearly, in relation to the

remaining part, which is in the

1:24:421:24:45

private sector, that will be treated

as in any other private sector

1:24:451:24:48

liquidation. The official receiver

will seek to recover as much as he

1:24:481:24:53

possibly can and they will be

creditors to that company so the

1:24:531:24:56

amount that they get paid depends on

a liquidation process.

So far the

1:24:561:25:01

latest guesstimate was that they

will get a penny in the pound.

It is

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impossible to speculate that was the

official receiver. The company has

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almost nothing on its balance sheet

so there are no assets to dig into.

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At a £29 million of cash in the bank

and that's about it. I take your

1:25:171:25:22

point that if you are a cleaning

company to which the cleaning has

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been subcontracted, you will

probably be able to continue to do

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that.

Exactly where the money will

come from I am not sure. But if I

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have just submitted a bill for the

past 120 days and have not yet been

1:25:331:25:37

paid, I won't get paid.

In respect

of the cleaning company, those

1:25:371:25:43

people will beat you bid over. That

means you continue on the same deal.

1:25:431:25:48

-- those people will be TUPEd over.

As and those people who are

1:25:481:25:56

essentially creditors, this is

purely private sector, they will not

1:25:561:26:00

be paid yet. In any liquidation the

process is that the official

1:26:001:26:04

receiver seeks to recover as much as

possible and then they will get paid

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but that is absolutely no different

to any other situation with a

1:26:071:26:11

private company.

Mr Corbyn at the

end had quite a generalised attack

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on the whole concept of outsourcing

certain services to the public

1:26:171:26:22

sector. Is it Labour's position that

all of that.?

I worked in the

1:26:221:26:30

private sector for 20 years before

coming to Parliament. You do not

1:26:301:26:34

outsource what is your core

competence in the private sector. At

1:26:341:26:37

the core competence which the Prime

Minister doesn't seem to recognise,

1:26:371:26:44

and Oliver, is to deliver public

services. So what we are saying is

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that the public sector, and Jerry

said that quite clearly, and we've

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seem with virgin, G4S, the public

sector should be delivering public

1:26:511:26:59

services...

So when it comes to the

private provision of public

1:26:591:27:04

services, for example rubbish

collection, which is now largely in

1:27:041:27:07

private hands, is it Labour's

position to and that?

It is Labour's

1:27:071:27:13

position that where public

services... Where possible, and we

1:27:131:27:16

can't do everything at once, and we

will need to look at the cost of

1:27:161:27:21

locations, but where possible public

services should be delivered by the

1:27:211:27:23

public sector and I think that's

quite clear.

Including hospital

1:27:231:27:26

laundry?

We need to build the

capacity and we need to recognise

1:27:261:27:33

that the private sector can add

capacity and resilience but in

1:27:331:27:40

public services, people expect that

their government should deliver...

I

1:27:401:27:44

get the principle, and trying to

work out where it leads.

You are

1:27:441:27:50

making the private sector the public

sector and that's why you are

1:27:501:27:54

saying...

The reason you have this

contracting out, which many

1:27:541:27:59

companies do... The reason they do

it and the reason Government does,

1:27:591:28:03

in relation to cleaning you have

companies that have expertise. The

1:28:031:28:07

effect of that as you save money for

the taxpayer, so you have more money

1:28:071:28:11

to pay for schools and hospitals.

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