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Morning, folks. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:39 | |
Welcome to the Daily Politics. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
As the full scale of construction
firm Carillion's financial woes | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
become clear, pressure piles
on the Government to explain exactly | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
what they knew about the troubles
before awarding the company millions | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
of pounds of public contracts. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
Will Jeremy Corbyn ask
about Carillion's collapse | 0:00:56 | 0:00:57 | |
at Prime Minister's Questions? | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
We'll have the exchanges
between Theresa May and the Labour | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
leader live from the House
of Commons at 12pm. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
And, as the pro-Corbyn wing
takes over key committees | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
within the Labour Party,
we'll ask what this means | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
for the future of Labour politics. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
All that in the next hour. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
And joining us today, new | 0:01:25 | 0:01:26 | |
Cabinet Office Minister Oliver
Dowden, and Shadow Business | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
Minister Chi Onwurah. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:34 | |
Good morning. Good morning. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
First, the UK's second-biggest
contractor, Carillion, had just | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
£29 million in cash and owed
£1.29 billion to its banks when it | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
collapsed this week. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:43 | |
It is a name we now all know,
although not many did before. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:55 | |
although not many did before. It had
a unfunded pension liabilities of | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
£600 million as well. | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
As the full scale of the crisis
in the company's dying | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
days becomes clear, do
the Government have questions | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
to answer over millions of pounds
of public contracts awarded | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
to the company after
repeated profit warnings? | 0:02:06 | 0:02:12 | |
One of the Goverment's ministers
under fire is the Transport | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
Secretary, Chris Grayling, who
signed a contract for HS2 after | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
Carillion's Jim White profit
warning. The BBC tried to track him | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
down this morning, and this is what
he had to say -- as Carillion's Jim | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
White profit warning. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
I'll very happily talk
to you guys later. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
I'm doing interviews
this morning but I'm | 0:02:31 | 0:02:32 | |
going to get a train now,
I'm afraid. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
Speak to my office and book
a slot later but I've | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
got to get a train now. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
Well, that wasn't very informative!
Let's see if we can do better here | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
in the studio this morning. Oliver
Dowden, in July of last year, the | 0:02:45 | 0:02:50 | |
Chief Executive of Carillion was
fired, there was an £840 million | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
write-off on the balance sheet, and
the shares fell 60% in two days. | 0:02:54 | 0:03:01 | |
Yet, one week later, denied the
17th, the Government made it part of | 0:03:01 | 0:03:07 | |
the £6 billion HS2 contract, and
£158 million MOD property contract. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:13 | |
Why? Well, the Government keeps
these situations under control. And | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
we look at the situation of all of
our contractors. In of Carillion, a | 0:03:17 | 0:03:22 | |
profit warning had been issued.
Dozens of profit warnings are issued | 0:03:22 | 0:03:27 | |
every year, you wouldn't expect the
Government or any other private | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
company to cease contracting with
somebody just on the basis of a | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
profit warning. But you would expect
in Team Janzen, that is a crack in | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
what we did, we made contingency
plans -- -- you would expect | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
contingency and that is exactly what
they did. We have plans that of one | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
company fell away the others would
step up and service delivery would | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
continue, that has been the priority
of the Government, we are delivering | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
those servers. July was one bit of
bad news, but not enough to make you | 0:03:54 | 0:03:59 | |
stop giving contracts. On September
the 20 I have last year, the | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
half-year results of the company
came out. It showed £1.15 billion of | 0:04:03 | 0:04:10 | |
losses. £1.15 billion! And another
£200 million write-down. And yet | 0:04:10 | 0:04:16 | |
five weeks later, on November the
6th, you gave them a £320 million | 0:04:16 | 0:04:22 | |
Network Rail contract for the
Midland Mainline. Why? Look, our | 0:04:22 | 0:04:28 | |
duty as a Government is to ensure
the continuing delivery of public | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
services. These were contracts with
a private company to deliver those | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
public services. Our concern... As a
construction contract, not a public | 0:04:36 | 0:04:44 | |
service... Our concern is a
Government is to ensure the | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
continued delivery of public
services in respect of all of those | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
contracts... But you could have
given it to somebody else! Yes, we | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
go through a proper process of
procurement, they would decided as | 0:04:55 | 0:05:00 | |
the correct bidder. There was a risk
associated because of the profit | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
warnings. As with any other private
company contracted with a third | 0:05:03 | 0:05:08 | |
party, you need to take contingency
measures, but it is not a basis for | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
not contracting. We took contingency
measures, and delivery of public | 0:05:12 | 0:05:17 | |
services continued, that is the
concern of Government. We have one | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
of the warnings in July, we had
another even bigger warning in | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
September, they then got the
contract in November. On November | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
the 17th, only two weeks after you
gave them the Midland Mainline | 0:05:28 | 0:05:35 | |
contract, came the third profit
warning. The third in one year. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
Which is unusual for one company.
And, the company admitted it was on | 0:05:37 | 0:05:43 | |
course to breach its banking
covenants, which is a complicated | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
way of saying it couldn't repay the
debt, of which was massive. Yet, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
three days later, you made it one of
nine contractors in a £2.6 billion | 0:05:51 | 0:05:58 | |
school building programme. Why? As I
said, there is an independent | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
recruitment process. The concern
that your viewers will have and | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
everybody else will have --
independent procurement process. We | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
are asking a company to do something
for the Government. Will it continue | 0:06:09 | 0:06:14 | |
to do that? Subsequent to Carillion
going into liquidation, we are | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
continuing to deliver... By November
of this year, it was clearly in | 0:06:17 | 0:06:22 | |
trouble and everybody knew, except,
apparently, the Government. Our | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
concern is to continue to deliver.
But why did you give contracts to | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
this company when it was clearly in
trouble? You would be aware, or | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
maybe you word, that it was, this is
a little technical, but the most | 0:06:34 | 0:06:40 | |
shortage to stock on the stock
exchange, 25% of its shares were | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
being held by people that bought the
shares were going to dive. But you | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
carried on giving it contracts. Yes,
there were clearly risks associated | 0:06:48 | 0:06:53 | |
with that company and the Government
took measures to mitigate that. And | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
the success of those mitigation
measures is shown by the fact that | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
that company continues to deliver.
It is interesting to note... The | 0:07:00 | 0:07:06 | |
company doesn't continue to deliver!
You say it's just the Government, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:11 | |
actually the last public sector
organisation to award preferred to | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
get status to Carillion with Leeds
City Council -- preferred bidder. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:23 | |
But you are the Government, and just
because some Labour council proved | 0:07:23 | 0:07:28 | |
to be as cosy with Carillion as you,
doesn't let you off the hook. You | 0:07:28 | 0:07:34 | |
had contingency plans, you are
keeping an eye on this company, but | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
you had enough contracts with
Carillion for it to be designated a | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
strategic of Government. An official
designation, and an official | 0:07:43 | 0:07:48 | |
designation like that means that the
Government appoint a crown | 0:07:48 | 0:07:54 | |
representative, a representative of
the state, to keep and I the company | 0:07:54 | 0:07:59 | |
could -- because there are concerns.
And yet at the height of this | 0:07:59 | 0:08:04 | |
financial problems, there was no
crown representative appointed, why? | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
There was a crown representative by
the end, there was a change. But | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
there wasn't that the crucial time.
Remember, they have a whole team | 0:08:11 | 0:08:16 | |
working to them. Those people were
in place. There was no adverse | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
impact in terms of the delivery of
the services. Is there any sense at | 0:08:20 | 0:08:26 | |
which we see this? Because I think
even the Government must have known | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
Carillion was in some trouble, and
you kept on giving it contracts. Was | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
there any sense in which you were
doing this as a hidden subsidy, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:38 | |
simply to try and keep the company
going in the hope that it would get | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
out of its troubles? No, there are
strict procurement roles. These | 0:08:42 | 0:08:47 | |
companies, if they are to be awarded
a Government contract, they have to | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
demonstrate they will deliver value
for money. Carillion won those | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
processes. Once they have won them,
the Government had to be sure that | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
they would continue to deliver. But
why didn't you have a crown | 0:08:57 | 0:09:02 | |
representative? In respect of the
crown representative, they have a | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
team working who continues to carry
out those functions. There was a | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
crown representative in | 0:09:09 | 0:09:15 | |
crown representative in place by the
end. One quick question, can you now | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
tell us this morning what the likely
cost to the taxpayer will be? Well, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
what we have done is to ensure that
the official receiver is funded. The | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
official receiver will continue to
pay out on those... I do know all | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
that! They put a bill on it. Do we
know how much? That will depend upon | 0:09:29 | 0:09:35 | |
the amount that the official
receiver can recover. The key | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
priority is a continuing delivery of
public services, achieved by funding | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
the official reserve who pays out
those contracts. It will depend upon | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
how much the official receiver is
able to recover, that is perfectly | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
standard in any liquidation
situation, as you know. Why is the | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
Carillion crisis a crisis of
outsourcing? Why is that? This is | 0:09:54 | 0:10:01 | |
what your party has claimed.
Carillion crisis and the failure | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
work from the gang tragic force of
many people who work for Carillion | 0:10:05 | 0:10:10 | |
and -- were tragic force of many
people who work for Carillion. What | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
Oliver won't say is that they
continue to give contracts to | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
Carillion because they believe
ideological eat in giving public | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
sector contracts... -- ideological
eat in giving. ALL TALK AT ONCE. Why | 0:10:23 | 0:10:31 | |
is there a crisis of outsourcing was
below because, by giving these | 0:10:31 | 0:10:38 | |
massive contracts to a small number
of private sector companies whose | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
business models are predicated, if
you like, and bidding as low as | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
possible for these contracts... It
is public services. It is a good | 0:10:45 | 0:10:51 | |
thing if it is sustainable, but it
clearly wasn't. There were profit | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
warnings, they were being
slaughtered. Their dividend payments | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
were going up while that that was
dreading --. Yet this was a | 0:10:59 | 0:11:08 | |
strategic supplier. Is the jewel
argument that the Government's | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
mistake was giving too many
contracts to Carillion, or that it | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
should not have been giving them to
the private sector at all? The fact | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
that the Government was obliged, if
you like, to give so many contracts | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
to one supplier demonstrates that it
should not have been outsourcing so | 0:11:22 | 0:11:28 | |
much of our public services. Should
these contracts have gone to the | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
private sector or not? So much of
our public services, schools, | 0:11:32 | 0:11:37 | |
reasons, hospitals, should not be
delivered by the private sector. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
Because the profit motive does not
lead to the best outcomes for our | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
students, our prisoners... Carillion
wasn't brought down by outsourcing | 0:11:44 | 0:11:51 | |
services, it was brought down by
construction contracts that went | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
wrong. Now, one of the construction
contract which we bounded on it with | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
the Aberdeen bypass. £750 million.
But there were delays. The | 0:11:59 | 0:12:05 | |
receivables went as high as they
thought, that was one of the reasons | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
for a write-down. Should the
Aberdeen bypass be built by a | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
private construction company or what
not? Each individual case depends on | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
the nature of the tender. I'm asking
you to principal... Should it be | 0:12:17 | 0:12:23 | |
built by a private company or should
it be built by a publicly owned | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
construction company? Public
services should be delivered, I | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
believe... This isn't public
services, this is construction. I | 0:12:31 | 0:12:36 | |
wouldn't argue necessarily that it
should be built by... Sorry, Andrew, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
you made an important point. You
said it wasn't brought down by | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
public services, it was brought down
by construction. And yet it was the | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
ongoing need to service those public
services, our hospitals, our | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
schools, etc, which is what... The
other - British contracts which | 0:12:52 | 0:13:01 | |
brought it down... And the bidding,
and the bidding for key services... | 0:13:01 | 0:13:06 | |
You keep on saying services, and it
wasn't services, that's what I'm | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
trying to get to. It was brought
down clearly, we notice from the | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
evidence in the High Court, by
construction contracts. Two of the | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
other construction contracts were
because Buttle in Liverpool and they | 0:13:17 | 0:13:23 | |
-- a because Buttle in Manchester.
Is it Labour's position that it was | 0:13:23 | 0:13:28 | |
wrong to give this to Carillion what
wrong to give it to the private | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
sector at all, and it should be done
by the public sector? Where | 0:13:32 | 0:13:37 | |
possible... So, Carillion is a shell
company, and the supply chain for | 0:13:37 | 0:13:42 | |
the support for delivering
construction services to the public | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
sector needs to be examined and
investigated. This is a really | 0:13:44 | 0:13:49 | |
important point... Should we build
our hospitals using private | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
companies, or should they be built
by the public sector? Is this | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
Labour's position? Suppliers and
contractors to the public sector, | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
which can include the building of a
black sector construction and | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
hospitals, they should have
sustainable business models -- for | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
the construction sector. The supply
chains should not be so long. Our | 0:14:09 | 0:14:16 | |
argument is that we need the
capacity within the public sector to | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
manage these... To manage, but not
to build? Not necessarily to build. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:26 | |
The public sector doesn't have to do
everything. When it comes to the | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
delivery of public services and the
management of public assets there | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
needs to be the capacity within the
public sector to do that directly. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
We need to move on. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
Now, internal Labour Party democracy
may not seem like blockbuster stuff, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
but it has been a key battleground
between opposing factions | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
of the Labour Party since
Jeremy Corbyn became leader, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
and determines the future
direction of the party. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
The Corbynite camp has been
celebrating big wins this week. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
Here's Emma with all the details. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:59 | |
Last September, two Momentum-backed
candidates won posts | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
on the Conference Arrangements
Committee - giving them control | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
of selecting and prioritising
motions for the annual conference. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
And earlier this week,
three other candidates supported | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
by Momentum won seats on the party's
National Executive Committe - | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
the supreme decision-making body -
swinging it into the Left's control. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:18 | |
The three new members included
Momentum founder Jon Lansman, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
who has in the past talked
about introducing mandatory | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
reselection for sitting MPs. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
Yesterday, Corbyn supporters used
that new NEC majority to take | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
control of the party's
disciplinary committee, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
ousting longstanding
Chair of the Disputes | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
Sub-Committee, Ann Black, | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
and replacing her with
Momentum Director - and NEC member - | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
Christine Shawcroft. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:44 | |
It means the Left of the party now
have control of the panel that | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
decides whether to investigate
anti-Semitic, racist, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
homophobic and sexist abuse,
as well as other disciplinary cases. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:56 | |
Internal clashes broke
out within the party, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
with Young Labour NEC rep
Jasmin Beckett saying | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
she was "disgusted" by the removal
of Ann Black, and accusing Momentum | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
of treating the committee
as a "factional playground". | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
But Christine Shawcroft told
the Mirror, "I really don't know | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
what all the fuss is about",
denying there was a | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
"left-wing takeover". | 0:16:15 | 0:16:21 | |
Thank you for that. Tony Robinson,
one of your better-known Labour | 0:16:21 | 0:16:27 | |
Party members, famous as Blackadder,
long a Labour Party activist, says, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:33 | |
"Labour's now been taken over by
leftist clique". Is he right? What | 0:16:33 | 0:16:38 | |
happened is that we had a democratic
election. We know that. But as the | 0:16:38 | 0:16:43 | |
result of the election... As a
consequence of members of the | 0:16:43 | 0:16:50 | |
largest political party by
membership in Europe voting. About | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
that as a takeover, I believe that
is absolutely not the case. We have | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
a democracy and people voted and not
everybody is happy with every result | 0:16:57 | 0:17:05 | |
of the Democratic party. Ann Black,
the well-respected chair of the | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
NEC's disputes panel, was it right
to get rid of her? The NEC has 39 | 0:17:08 | 0:17:17 | |
people on it. When you have new
members, there is often a | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
reassignment of its possibilities.
I'm not on the NEC. I don't know | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
what her qualifications were but it
is right that there should be the | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
ability... Was right to get rid of
her? I am not on the NEC. You still | 0:17:28 | 0:17:33 | |
have a view. You have no view on
this? The level of interest in our | 0:17:33 | 0:17:40 | |
National Executive Committee
subpanel... If that had been the | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
same level of interest in
Carillion's board, for example, and | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
the same level of bureaucracy...
Your failure to answer these | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
questions will ensure that the
interest in the NEC is going to | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
write it have no view on whether it
is right that an black should have | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
been removed? I think it is right to
follow our procedures to elect... | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
The disputes process will still
remain exactly the same. Are you | 0:18:01 | 0:18:11 | |
comfortable but it is now being
chaired by a woman who thought we | 0:18:11 | 0:18:18 | |
should invite Islamic State to tea
rather than bomb them in Iraq, and | 0:18:18 | 0:18:24 | |
that that Lutfur Rahman in Tower
Hamlets, who had been banned for | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
five years from office and guilty of
electoral fraud? Are you comfortable | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
that that is the person now running
your disputes panel? Chisnall it is | 0:18:31 | 0:18:36 | |
absolutely right that the person
running our disputes panel should be | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
accountable for what she has said in
the past, and it follows our | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
processes. Two things... Are you
comfortable that the person in | 0:18:41 | 0:18:46 | |
charge of your disputes panel has
this background? Either you are or | 0:18:46 | 0:18:51 | |
you aren't. It is really important
that we have robust processes. We | 0:18:51 | 0:18:56 | |
need robust processes to make sure
hate speech and anti-Semitism and | 0:18:56 | 0:19:01 | |
racism in have no part in the Labour
Party and that is how it is now. I | 0:19:01 | 0:19:08 | |
want my constituents to know that
when I get up in the morning, I am | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
not working on looking at what the
exact composition of our NEC... I'm | 0:19:12 | 0:19:17 | |
trying to make sure there are jobs
in Newcastle, that there are... You | 0:19:17 | 0:19:23 | |
do that every day but the NEC is the
story yesterday and today. The woman | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
who headed | 0:19:26 | 0:19:33 | |
who headed the NEC, last year, she
spoke at a rally to celebrate the | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
30th anniversary of the domain is
revolution in Iran. Does Labour | 0:19:37 | 0:19:46 | |
celebrate that revolution? We don't
celebrate a revolution. If you are | 0:19:46 | 0:19:52 | |
asking, was she doing that as the
representative and speaking for the | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
Labour Party, no, she wasn't. She
said, "We are here for a | 0:19:56 | 0:20:02 | |
celebration, it is a happy time, the
third year I have been, it is always | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
in my diary". Are you happy that the
person that got the most votes in | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
the NEC election seems to regard the
Iranian Islamic revolution as a good | 0:20:10 | 0:20:15 | |
thing? Is it a good thing? I don't
share the same views as everybody in | 0:20:15 | 0:20:24 | |
every position in the Labour Party
and that is right, because we have | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
broad representative
cross-section... What is your view | 0:20:29 | 0:20:34 | |
of the Islamist revolution? My view
of the Islamist revolution is that | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
because it is not directly relevant
to my constituency in Newcastle | 0:20:37 | 0:20:44 | |
right now, I certainly feel that our
position on Iran and supporting the | 0:20:44 | 0:20:50 | |
democracy in Iran and elsewhere is
as set out by our shadow secretary. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:56 | |
What evidence has Labour ever given
in recent weeks that it supports the | 0:20:56 | 0:21:02 | |
democratic process in Iran? We are a
party of democracy. You're talking | 0:21:02 | 0:21:13 | |
about our NEC elections. Did Jeremy
Corbyn, did John McDonnell, did | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
Emily Thornberry, your foreign
affairs spokesman... Did any of them | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
but words of support to the
democratic protesters? We are a | 0:21:21 | 0:21:27 | |
democratic party. You said that. Any
public support Labour has given for | 0:21:27 | 0:21:35 | |
the democratic protesters in Iran?
We support democracy. We are a | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
democratic party. Who do you
support, then? Compared to the | 0:21:39 | 0:21:47 | |
Iranian government and the
democratic protesters, brave people | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
taking to the street, whose side are
you on? I'm always on the side of | 0:21:49 | 0:21:57 | |
democracy and representation.
Yasmine Dar so you are on the side | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
of the protesters? By on the side of
democracy. I am not going to speak | 0:22:00 | 0:22:06 | |
for the predators because I don't
know them personally. I am not | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
asking you to speak for every
protester, I am asking for a simple | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
view. The women who top the NEC poll
supported the revolution and | 0:22:14 | 0:22:21 | |
celebrate it on its 30th
anniversary. I'm asking you, since | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
this is the regime that has shot an
unarmed protesters, I am asking | 0:22:26 | 0:22:31 | |
whose side you are on. I have said
very clearly I am always on the | 0:22:31 | 0:22:36 | |
side... Why can't you bring yourself
to say you on the side of the | 0:22:36 | 0:22:41 | |
protesters? I support those
supporting democracy. I don't want | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
you to be holding the accountable
for the actions of every single | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
protester. I am asking for your
view. My view is to support | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
democracy and support those who
support democracy. Your new | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
vice-chair for youth, Ben Bradley,
advocated vasectomies for the vast | 0:22:56 | 0:23:03 | |
sea of unemployed wasters, quote. Is
this going to inform the next | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
roll-out of Universal Credit? Of
course not, and he has apologised to | 0:23:06 | 0:23:12 | |
those comments. You made them five
years ago when he was 22 and I think | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
it was right for him to apologise.
It is bound to be what he thinks. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
Now he has been called to account,
likely Labour people have done the | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
same, you run a mile. He was 22 at
the time, five years ago. I think | 0:23:23 | 0:23:29 | |
his views have developed quite a
lot, as you might imagine anyone in | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
their early 20s changes their views,
and I think he has apologised and | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
that is clearly not the position of
the Conservative Party. And it is | 0:23:37 | 0:23:42 | |
not the next age of Universal Credit
roller? Of course it isn't. Fair | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
enough. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
Now, we've all been there -
after a big lunch and maybe a glass | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
or two of a good Shiraz,
the eyes start to feel heavy, | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
the eyelids droop and you just
can't keep them open. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
It happens to most Daily Politics
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So, spare a thought for Conservative
MP Desmond Swayne - | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
seen here behind Ken Clarke
in the Commons - who looked | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
like he was stealing 40 winks
on the green benches rather | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
than listening to the Father
of the House's ruminations | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
on the EU Withdrawal Bill. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:12 | |
He did finally perk up,
just as Ken was offering | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
up his thoughts on the Charter
of Fundamental Rights. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:19 | |
Mr Swayne must be relieved
he didn't miss out on that. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:26 | |
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winter's morning and even to the | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
scaffolding, the clock faces shining
through. Prime Minister's Questions | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
coming up in a couple of minutes and
we are joined by John Pienaar. I | 0:26:55 | 0:27:02 | |
assume, given it involves public
sector contracts, outsourcing, all | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
that sort of thing, that Mr Corbyn
has no choice but to go on | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
Carillion. I think he sees this as
an opportunity. It was described in | 0:27:09 | 0:27:18 | |
a social media video as a watershed.
That is how they see it. Potentially | 0:27:18 | 0:27:23 | |
in their hopes around Jeremy Corbyn,
a turning point where they turn the | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
tide of the argument against the
involvement of the private sector in | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
present form in these services of
the state, and it could be | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
interesting, although I'm always
hesitant to say that Prime | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
Minister's Questions is going to be
interesting. These days that is | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
quite a bold statement. But we will
see some sort of version of the | 0:27:41 | 0:27:46 | |
game, where does the buck stop? In
this case it is not just in case a | 0:27:46 | 0:27:51 | |
war the answers but what other
questions? Government ministers are | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
saying they will learn the lessons
of the Carillion affair but what | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
will these lessons be? | 0:27:58 | 0:28:04 | |
will these lessons be? Safeguards, a
better and clearer system of warning | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
lights were a company like
Carillion? But other in-built | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
problems system which can't be
ironed out? Is this an inevitable | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
consequence of the system that leads
winners and losers or should be | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
changed? Are these two questions
compatible? IPod is the government | 0:28:16 | 0:28:21 | |
have a clear line on this yet? The
government is in a different | 0:28:21 | 0:28:28 | |
position. They have substantial use
of private firms in the construction | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
of the structure and the root
servers for many years, going past | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
Labour governments and Gordon Brown
and Tony Blair. That is all by the | 0:28:35 | 0:28:40 | |
way because we have now got a new
leader. We can forget about BC, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:45 | |
before Corbyn, as far as this
argument goes. We have an | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
ideological split as white, may be
wider, than anything we have seen | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
since Margaret Thatcher, so that is
about the role of private sector in | 0:28:52 | 0:28:58 | |
the state in the 1980s. A lot of
enquiries are on the way, a couple | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
going to be taking place in
Parliament, in committee rooms, | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
probably the same time, and they
will lead to changes, but have | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
fundamental? Government must feel on
the defensive on this. I think they | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
must because when you see such a
high-profile failure, thousands of | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
public sector workers in doubt about
their future, private sector workers | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
with some certainty that their
futures are indeed question, lots of | 0:29:21 | 0:29:26 | |
Government money on the line, but we
don't how much, there are questions | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
that are difficult and a lot of
questions they can't answer so it is | 0:29:29 | 0:29:33 | |
going to test Theresa May. Meanwhile
Brazil continues to trundle along in | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
terms of negotiations. Carillion, in
a way, we should all be grateful to | 0:29:37 | 0:29:43 | |
it because it is given something
else. About, even if there are bad | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
consequences to it, which is a
reason for not being grateful, but | 0:29:47 | 0:29:52 | |
is the EU on a kind of charm
offensive? It is possible to over do | 0:29:52 | 0:29:59 | |
what Donald Tusk said the other day.
Which we do because that is what we | 0:29:59 | 0:30:04 | |
do. On one level of our brain, we
and the other part understand that | 0:30:04 | 0:30:10 | |
is to serious that. But when it
comes to Donald Tusk saying, we hope | 0:30:10 | 0:30:15 | |
to see you vote as if you will come
back. In saying that does not | 0:30:15 | 0:30:21 | |
necessarily make it any more likely,
beyond getting up the noses of the | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
Brexiteers. Which he succeeded in
doing. That was a surprise. Am I | 0:30:24 | 0:30:31 | |
right in thinking that the next
stage of the talks is not about our | 0:30:31 | 0:30:38 | |
actual future relationship with the
EU but we are going. First about the | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
transition period following March
2019. Through the spring we are | 0:30:42 | 0:30:49 | |
supposed to be talking about the
divorce and the transition period. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
This is crucial, the transition
particular, moving from being a | 0:30:53 | 0:30:59 | |
member to not being a member. The
government is committed to a time | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
period of maybe a couple of years.
There was an argument that says it | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
is going to lead a great deal more
than that and we're just at the | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
beginning of tying up a lot of those
details. For governments, it usually | 0:31:10 | 0:31:15 | |
never rains but pours. There was a
BBC story this morning about the | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
number of nurses now just leaving
the NHS, including, I understand, | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
younger nurses, who probably haven't
completed their training all that | 0:31:23 | 0:31:28 | |
long ago. They have just decided to
go through all that training that | 0:31:28 | 0:31:34 | |
they don't want to be in the NHS.
That is so but it is layered on top | 0:31:34 | 0:31:40 | |
of a winter crisis. They have been
worried about it for many a month | 0:31:40 | 0:31:51 | |
and it has been argued the Brexiters
contributed, the number of nurses | 0:31:51 | 0:31:58 | |
from EU countries that have been
part of the workforce, is beginning | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
to dry up. The effects are being
felt. It puts pressure... I hear | 0:32:01 | 0:32:06 | |
rumblings even on the Tory
backbenches, indeed even Jacob | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
Rees-Mogg, who you might not think
would be on the progressive wing of | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
the Tories, saying the Government is
going to have to come up with a new | 0:32:13 | 0:32:17 | |
model. Sure. We're hearing this
interestingly from various quarters, | 0:32:17 | 0:32:24 | |
senior Conservative forces,
including the chairman of the 1922, | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
the tribal elders that the Tory
party at Westminster, talking about, | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
let's look at hi gated taxation,
earmarked taxes. Either way, there | 0:32:32 | 0:32:37 | |
is a recognition that crosses party
lines now but a long-term look at | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
NHS funding is a place we have not
been politically willing to go | 0:32:41 | 0:32:47 | |
before. But if you were to announce
a long-term plan, if that was to | 0:32:47 | 0:32:52 | |
happen,, I think the key is in the
phrase long-term. Doesn't get us | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
through the funding problems we have
at the moment. It may have to do | 0:32:55 | 0:33:00 | |
both. You can argue there is never
going to be enough money for the NHS | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
and you can sustain that argument.
You can also argue that the NHS will | 0:33:03 | 0:33:08 | |
need accelerating because that is
also true. In terms of how the | 0:33:08 | 0:33:13 | |
health system, preventative
medicine, all of this sort of thing, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
there was a role for that, which
involve substantial transformation | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
in NHS pinking, to. On every level,
that is the sort of change that is | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
needed. The buck stops here and it
stops now. And despite what critics | 0:33:23 | 0:33:31 | |
might say is death by a thousand
cuts, but that is the government | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
being assailed on all sides? Mrs May
is still there. She survives. She | 0:33:34 | 0:33:43 | |
keeps on going, Cabinet ministers
come and go, crises come and go. Her | 0:33:43 | 0:33:50 | |
resilience... I'm beginning to think
that even her critics are now | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
beginning to roll Appiah her for her
resilience is nothing else. You can | 0:33:52 | 0:33:58 | |
safely say that is the case, certain
survival. Someone said somewhere, | 0:33:58 | 0:34:03 | |
maybe in a movie, about the World
War II Wellington bomb, whose chief | 0:34:03 | 0:34:09 | |
characteristic was the ability to
soak up black falling out of the | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
sky. Theresa May, among many other
things, seems to be our version of | 0:34:12 | 0:34:17 | |
that bomb. I will have to get my old
air kicked out! On the Tory | 0:34:17 | 0:34:24 | |
backbenches, although there is no
enthusiasm for her, there is also no | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
move now to get rid of her? That has
been so and still is. For reasons we | 0:34:28 | 0:34:33 | |
discussed more than once, which is
the sheer absence of a clear | 0:34:33 | 0:34:39 | |
successor and the absence of any
appetite on the backbenches to go | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
into a leadership contest, which is
in the most flattering reason to | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
carry on as Prime Minister but it is
a significant influence. Do you | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
agree with that? I've had the
privilege of working quite closely | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
with the Prime Minister, as I did
with the last one, and what I see | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
with is somebody who is very tough
and determined, has a real sense of | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
public service, and I think that is
what is driving her. She is not | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
somebody who is going to walk away
after a bad result, which we had | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
with the 27th election, she wants to
deliver for the country, and I think | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
that is what gets her up every
morning. If, against all | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
conventional opinion, Mrs May does
survive, or this government does | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
survive, through to 2022, which is
when there has to be an election, I | 0:35:18 | 0:35:25 | |
will come back to that because, five
minutes late, we are going to PMQs. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
This morning I had meetings in
addition to my duties in this House, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
I shall have further such meetings
later today. The Government must | 0:35:35 | 0:35:40 | |
take responsibility for its role in
the mess now left by Carillion. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:46 | |
Thousands of staff face
unemployment. SME suppliers face | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
going bust. But I'm concerned for
the 1400 Carillion apprentices, some | 0:35:49 | 0:35:54 | |
of whom I've met locally. It's not
good enough to pass the buck. Wilbur | 0:35:54 | 0:36:01 | |
Prime Minister guarantee today that
everyone of those apprentices will | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
be able to complete their training
and will be paid? Well, can I say to | 0:36:04 | 0:36:10 | |
the honourable lady that I recognise
that of course this has been a | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
difficult time for a number of
people, concerned about their jobs | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
and public services and about their
pensions. I want first of all, if I | 0:36:17 | 0:36:22 | |
may, Mr Speaker, to provide
reassurance to all employees who are | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
working on public services for
Carillion that they shall continue | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
to turn up the works confident in
the knowledge that they will be paid | 0:36:28 | 0:36:32 | |
for the work that they are
providing. Of course, the Government | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
is not running Carillion. The
Government is actually a customer of | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
Carillion. Our focus has been on
ensuring that we are providing the | 0:36:39 | 0:36:45 | |
public services that they are
continuing to be provided and | 0:36:45 | 0:36:52 | |
interrupted -- and interrupted, to
reassure workers on those public | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
services that they will get paid. To
reassure pensioners, the support is | 0:36:54 | 0:36:59 | |
there for them. Yes, I'm coming onto
the apprentices. But it is important | 0:36:59 | 0:37:07 | |
that the Government is undertaking
its role to ensure that the services | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
it provides are continuing to be
provided. And I can assure the | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
honourable lady that we are aware of
the issues around apprentices, and | 0:37:14 | 0:37:19 | |
that's why the Minister with
responsibility for that will be | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
looking very carefully at what
action he takes. Simon Hoare. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:30 | |
action he takes. Simon Hoare. What
better way to start the year of | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
engineering than to see
Manufacturing output at its highest | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
level in a decade? And productivity
on the up. Can I invite my right | 0:37:37 | 0:37:45 | |
honourable friend to commit and
confirm her Government to secure and | 0:37:45 | 0:37:50 | |
support UK manufacturing and the
important export it delivers? Well, | 0:37:50 | 0:37:56 | |
I'm very happy, I'm very happy to
give my honourable friend that | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
commitment from the Government. And
he's absolutely right. It's very, | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
very pleasing to see the figures
that the ONS produced last week, | 0:38:04 | 0:38:09 | |
which show that production has now
grown for eight months, the longest | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
streak since 1994. Manufacturing
output is at its highest since | 0:38:14 | 0:38:19 | |
February 2008. And earlier this
month we saw the productivity growth | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
has had its best quarter since 2011.
That shows that our economy remains | 0:38:23 | 0:38:29 | |
strong, that we are continuing to
deliver secure, better paid jobs, | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
and we will continue to do that in
supporting our manufacturing sector. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:37 | |
Jeremy Corbyn. Thank you, Mr
Speaker. In the last six months, the | 0:38:37 | 0:38:44 | |
Government has awarded more than £2
billion worth of contracts to | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
Carillion. It did so even after the
share price was in freefall, and the | 0:38:47 | 0:38:55 | |
company had issued profit warnings.
Why did the Government do that? | 0:38:55 | 0:39:03 | |
Why did the Government do that? It
might be helpful if I just set out | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
for the right honourable gentleman
that a company's profit warning | 0:39:06 | 0:39:12 | |
means that it believes it will not
make as much profit as it had | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
expected to make.
LAUGHTER | 0:39:16 | 0:39:22 | |
If... If... The Government did... If
it was the case, if it was the case | 0:39:26 | 0:39:35 | |
that the Government pulled out of
contracts, or indeed private sector | 0:39:35 | 0:39:40 | |
companies pulled out of contracts
whenever a profit warning was | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
issued, that would be the best way
to ensure that companies failed and | 0:39:42 | 0:39:48 | |
the jobs were lost. It would also,
for the Government, raise real | 0:39:48 | 0:39:57 | |
issues about providing continued,
and interrupted public services. | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
Yes, we did, we did recognise that
it was a severe profit warning. And | 0:39:59 | 0:40:06 | |
that's why we took action in
relation to the contracts that we | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
issued. And we ensure that all but
one of those contracts was a joint | 0:40:09 | 0:40:13 | |
venture. What does that mean? It
means that there was another company | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
available to step in and take over
the contract. But I say the right | 0:40:17 | 0:40:22 | |
honourable gentleman, this wasn't
just an issue of the Government | 0:40:22 | 0:40:27 | |
issuing contracts. Actually we see
that the Labour run Welsh Government | 0:40:27 | 0:40:32 | |
issued a contract after a profit
warning last July. And only last | 0:40:32 | 0:40:39 | |
week, in the public sector, a public
sector body announced that Carillion | 0:40:39 | 0:40:45 | |
was their preferred bidder. Only
last week. Was that the Government? | 0:40:45 | 0:40:50 | |
No, that was Labour run Leeds City
Council. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:57 | |
Council. Mr Speaker, for the record,
Leeds have not signed a contract | 0:40:57 | 0:41:03 | |
with Carillion. It's the Government
here's been handing out contracts. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:09 | |
It's the Goverment's responsibility
to ensure Carillion is properly | 0:41:09 | 0:41:14 | |
managed. Between July, Mr Speaker,
between July and the end of last | 0:41:14 | 0:41:21 | |
year, the share price of Carillion
fell by 90%. Three profit warnings | 0:41:21 | 0:41:27 | |
were issued. Unbelievably, some
contracts were awarded by the | 0:41:27 | 0:41:32 | |
Government even after the third
profit warning. Mr Speaker, it looks | 0:41:32 | 0:41:40 | |
like the Government was handing
Carillion public contracts either to | 0:41:40 | 0:41:45 | |
keep the company afloat, which
clearly hasn't worked, or it was | 0:41:45 | 0:41:50 | |
just deeply negligent of the crisis
that was coming down the line. | 0:41:50 | 0:42:00 | |
that was coming down the line. Mr
Speaker, I'm very happy to once | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
questions when the right honourable
the woman asks one, but he didn't! | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
-- when the right honourable
gentleman. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
Mr Speaker, I ask the Government if
they have been negligent or not, and | 0:42:16 | 0:42:21 | |
they clearly have been very
negligent. Tory MPs might shout, Mr | 0:42:21 | 0:42:29 | |
Speaker, but the reality is, as of
today, over 20,000 Carillion workers | 0:42:29 | 0:42:34 | |
are very worried about their future.
For many of them, the only recourse | 0:42:34 | 0:42:39 | |
tonight is the phone a DWP hotline.
The frailties were well-known. Hedge | 0:42:39 | 0:42:47 | |
fund is well betting against
Carillion since 2015. RBS banks, | 0:42:47 | 0:42:53 | |
state owned, making provision
against Carillion last year. The | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
Government is supposed to protect
public money through Crown | 0:42:56 | 0:43:01 | |
representatives, who was supposed to
monitor these powerful corporations | 0:43:01 | 0:43:06 | |
who get huge public contracts. So,
white, and this is a question, that | 0:43:06 | 0:43:13 | |
the Prime Minister needs to answer,
and the question is this... Why did | 0:43:13 | 0:43:17 | |
the position of Crown representative
to Carillion remained vacant during | 0:43:17 | 0:43:25 | |
the crucial period of August to
November, when the profit warnings | 0:43:25 | 0:43:29 | |
were being issued, the share price
was in freefall, and many people | 0:43:29 | 0:43:33 | |
were very worried? I'm afraid I have
to say to the right honourable | 0:43:33 | 0:43:39 | |
gentleman, of course... And can I
say to the shadow front secretary, I | 0:43:39 | 0:43:44 | |
will indeed answer the question, but
I know that she herself has praised | 0:43:44 | 0:43:48 | |
Carillion in the past for the work
that they have done -- the Shadow | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
Foreign Secretary. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
Can I say to the right honourable
gentleman, yes, there is obviously | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
now a Crown representative who's
been fully involved in the | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
Goverment's response. Before the
appointment of the Crown | 0:44:06 | 0:44:11 | |
representative, to replace the one
that had previously been in place, | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
the Government chief commercial
officer and the Cabinet Office | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
director of markets and suppliers
took over those responsibilities. It | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
was not the case that there was
nobody from the Government who was | 0:44:20 | 0:44:24 | |
looking at these issues, that's a
standard procedure, to ensure that | 0:44:24 | 0:44:29 | |
there was oversight of Carillion's
contracts with the Government during | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
the appointment of the Grand Rapids
and if. Well, they clearly weren't | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
looking very well! Carillion went
into liquidation with debts we now | 0:44:35 | 0:44:41 | |
understand to be £1.29 billion. A
pension deficit of £600 million. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:46 | |
And, at the same time, this company
was paying out ever-increasing | 0:44:46 | 0:44:50 | |
shareholder dividends, whilst the
excessive bonuses to directors, and, | 0:44:50 | 0:44:59 | |
today, 8000 Carillion workers on
private sector contracts will no | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
longer be paid. The chief executive
is going to be paid, however, for | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
another ten months. One rule for the
super rich, another for everybody | 0:45:05 | 0:45:11 | |
else. Can the Prime Minister assure
the House today that not a single | 0:45:11 | 0:45:16 | |
penny more will go to the chief
executive or the directors of this | 0:45:16 | 0:45:21 | |
company? Can I first stage of a
right honourable gentleman that | 0:45:21 | 0:45:29 | |
obviously this is a situation that
is changing as decisions are being | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
taken, but my understanding is that
there are a number of private sector | 0:45:32 | 0:45:36 | |
contracts who have now come to an
agreement, and facilities management | 0:45:36 | 0:45:41 | |
contractors who have come to an
agreement with the official receiver | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
that means that their work is --
their workers will indeed continue | 0:45:44 | 0:45:50 | |
to be paid. The official receiver is
doing their job of working with | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
those companies. He has raised the
issue of bonuses. Of course, people | 0:45:53 | 0:45:57 | |
are concerned about this issue and
want, and are rightly asking | 0:45:57 | 0:46:02 | |
questions about it. That's why we
are making sure that the official | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
receiver's investigation into the
business dealings of the company is | 0:46:05 | 0:46:08 | |
fast tracked, that it looks into the
conduct not just of current | 0:46:08 | 0:46:14 | |
directors, but also of previous
directors and their actions. And the | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
official receiver does have the
powers to ensure that, in reviewing | 0:46:17 | 0:46:23 | |
payments to executives, where those
payments are lawful are justified he | 0:46:23 | 0:46:27 | |
can take action to recover those
payments. -- are unlawful or | 0:46:27 | 0:46:33 | |
unjustified. It is important that
the official receiver is able to do | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
their job. It is also important, the
Goverment's job is to continue the | 0:46:36 | 0:46:40 | |
bright public services, and that is
what we are doing. The right | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
honourable gentleman said earlier,
it was the Goverment's job to ensure | 0:46:43 | 0:46:48 | |
that Carillion was properly managed.
We are because the of Carillion, not | 0:46:48 | 0:46:52 | |
the manager of Carillion, that is
the important difference but we are | 0:46:52 | 0:46:56 | |
the customer of Carillion. And it is
also important that we have | 0:46:56 | 0:47:00 | |
protected taxpayers from an
unacceptable bailout of a private | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
company. Mr Speaker, when Carillion
went into liquidation, many | 0:47:03 | 0:47:10 | |
contractors were still unpaid. This
company, Carillion, were notorious | 0:47:10 | 0:47:15 | |
late payers, taking 120 days to pay,
placing a huge burden on small | 0:47:15 | 0:47:23 | |
companies. Four times longer than
the 30 days in the prompt payment | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
code that Carillion had indeed
themselves signed up to. So, why did | 0:47:27 | 0:47:32 | |
the Government allow a major
Government contractor to get away | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
with this? Will she commit to
label's policy that abiding by the | 0:47:36 | 0:47:41 | |
prompt payment code should be a
basic requirement for all future | 0:47:41 | 0:47:45 | |
Government contracts? Of course, we
look at the behaviour of companies | 0:47:45 | 0:47:54 | |
that we contract with in relation to
payments. This question of prompt | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
payment has been one that has been
brought up in this House, I have to | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
say, for as long as I have been in
this House. And work is always being | 0:48:02 | 0:48:07 | |
done on it. But the right honourable
gentleman has raised an important | 0:48:07 | 0:48:10 | |
point about the impact of
Carillion's liquidation on small | 0:48:10 | 0:48:14 | |
companies. That's why this morning
the Business Secretary and the city | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
Minister held a Round Table with the
banks to discuss credit lines to | 0:48:18 | 0:48:23 | |
small and medium-sized enterprises,
and to make clear that SMEs are not | 0:48:23 | 0:48:32 | |
responsible for the collapse of
Carillion. The Business Secretary | 0:48:32 | 0:48:34 | |
has also held further round tables
today with representatives of small | 0:48:34 | 0:48:36 | |
businesses. Construction trade
associations, and trade unions, | 0:48:36 | 0:48:38 | |
workers unions, to make sure that we
are on top of the potential effects | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
on the wider supply train. It is
right that we look at those very | 0:48:42 | 0:48:46 | |
carefully and take this action. And
it is also right that we do put in | 0:48:46 | 0:48:50 | |
place through the DWP support for
any workers who do find themselves | 0:48:50 | 0:48:54 | |
no longer employed as a result of
this. Jeremy Corbyn. It's a bit late | 0:48:54 | 0:49:00 | |
for one subcontractor, floor attack
of £800,000 by Carillion have | 0:49:00 | 0:49:04 | |
already had to make some of their
staff redundant by the collapse. -- | 0:49:04 | 0:49:08 | |
Florette Tech. This is not an
isolated case of Government | 0:49:08 | 0:49:12 | |
negligence and corporate failure. It
is a broken system. Under | 0:49:12 | 0:49:22 | |
is a broken system. Under this
Government, this Government, virgin | 0:49:23 | 0:49:24 | |
and Stagecoach, can spectacularly
mismanaged the east Coast Main line | 0:49:24 | 0:49:30 | |
and be let off a £2 billion payment.
Capita and a toss can continue to | 0:49:30 | 0:49:37 | |
wreck the lives through damaging
disability assessment of many people | 0:49:37 | 0:49:42 | |
with disabilities, and win more
Government funded contracts. G4S | 0:49:42 | 0:49:47 | |
promised to provide security at the
Olympics, and fail to so, do and the | 0:49:47 | 0:49:51 | |
army had to step in and save the
day. These corporations, Mr Speaker, | 0:49:51 | 0:49:56 | |
need to be shown the door. We need
our public services provided by | 0:49:56 | 0:50:03 | |
public employees with a public
service ethos, and a strong public | 0:50:03 | 0:50:07 | |
oversight. As the ruins of Carillion
lie around her, will the Prime | 0:50:07 | 0:50:13 | |
Minister act to end this costly
racket of the relationship between | 0:50:13 | 0:50:18 | |
Government and some of these
companies? | 0:50:18 | 0:50:24 | |
I might first to mind the right
honourable gentleman that a third of | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
the Carillion contracts with that
Government were led by the Labour | 0:50:27 | 0:50:32 | |
government. What we want is to
provide good quality public | 0:50:32 | 0:50:40 | |
services, delivered at best value to
the taxpayer. We're making sure in | 0:50:40 | 0:50:45 | |
this case that public services
continue to be provided, that the | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
workers in those public services are
supported and taxpayers are | 0:50:48 | 0:50:52 | |
protected. But what Labour oppose
isn't just a role for private | 0:50:52 | 0:50:57 | |
companies and public services but
the private sector as a whole. The | 0:50:57 | 0:51:01 | |
vast majority of people in this
country in employment are employed | 0:51:01 | 0:51:05 | |
by the private sector, but the
Shadow Chancellor calls businesses | 0:51:05 | 0:51:10 | |
are the real enemy. Labour won the
highest taxes in our peacetime | 0:51:10 | 0:51:18 | |
history, Labour policies would cause
a run on the pound. This is a Labour | 0:51:18 | 0:51:23 | |
Party that has turned its back on
investment, on growth, on jobs, a | 0:51:23 | 0:51:29 | |
Labour Party that will always but
politics before people. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:41 | |
Mr Speaker, can I thank the Prime
Minister for visiting Cheam on | 0:51:45 | 0:51:51 | |
Saturday, where she heard from local
residents about the poor services | 0:51:51 | 0:51:55 | |
provided by the complacent Lib Dem
council. People should not have to | 0:51:55 | 0:51:59 | |
settle for second best so would she
agree with me back to unlock Sutton | 0:51:59 | 0:52:05 | |
and London's potential on May the
3rd, by giving residents the | 0:52:05 | 0:52:11 | |
opportunity to get great services
and value for money by voting | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
Conservative? I was very happy to
join my honourable friend on the | 0:52:14 | 0:52:20 | |
doorsteps in Cheam and hear from
people about the issues, about | 0:52:20 | 0:52:24 | |
Liberal Democrat services in Sutton
and Cheam, particularly around the | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
rubbish bins. I believe they are now
up to 6p per household. I think they | 0:52:26 | 0:52:33 | |
are trying to get to one Bendtner
every Liberal Democrat member of | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
Parliament. But he is absolutely
right, the evidence is that | 0:52:36 | 0:52:43 | |
Conservatives deliver better
services at less cost the council | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
taxpayer. And well we are talking
about customer council taxpayer, | 0:52:45 | 0:52:51 | |
only last week Labour's Ben Fryer
minister announced that Labour | 0:52:51 | 0:52:55 | |
policy was to put council tax up on
every average typical home by £320. | 0:52:55 | 0:53:02 | |
People should know that a vote for
Labour is a vote to pay more. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:11 | |
Labour is a vote to pay more. Thank
you, Mr Speaker. Can the Prime | 0:53:11 | 0:53:13 | |
Minister tell the House what
official advice she has had on the | 0:53:13 | 0:53:19 | |
impact on the UK economy from
leaving the EU single market and | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
when she requested any such advice?
I have to say to be honourable | 0:53:22 | 0:53:29 | |
gentleman that of course as we go
through the Brexit negotiations, we | 0:53:29 | 0:53:34 | |
are constantly looking at the impact
that decisions that are taken will | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
have on our economy. What we want to
ensure is that we maintain good | 0:53:38 | 0:53:43 | |
access, a good conference of free
trade agreement with the EU, while | 0:53:43 | 0:53:48 | |
also, as leaving the EU, we will be
able to ensure that we get good free | 0:53:48 | 0:53:52 | |
trade agreements with other parts of
the world. Thank you, Mr Speaker. 19 | 0:53:52 | 0:54:00 | |
months after the EU referendum and
the Prime Minister has not a shred | 0:54:00 | 0:54:05 | |
of economic analysis on the impact
of leaving the single market. On | 0:54:05 | 0:54:12 | |
Monday, Scottish Government
published its second analysis paper, | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
revealing some horrifying facts.
Leaving the single market will cost | 0:54:15 | 0:54:20 | |
each Scottish citizen up to £2300 a
year. How many jobs have to be lost | 0:54:20 | 0:54:27 | |
and how much of a hit will families
take before this Prime Minister | 0:54:27 | 0:54:34 | |
recognises the folly of leaving the
single market? He asks me for | 0:54:34 | 0:54:41 | |
economic analysis. I will give him
some economic analysis. We saw the | 0:54:41 | 0:54:45 | |
figures this morning for GDP growth
in Scotland. In the third quarter, | 0:54:45 | 0:54:49 | |
GDP in Scotland group by 0.2%. In
the rest of the UK it grew by 0.4%. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:59 | |
Over the last year, GDP in Scotland,
under an SNP government in Scotland, | 0:54:59 | 0:55:05 | |
grew by 0.6%. In the United Kingdom
as a whole, it grew by 1.7%. My | 0:55:05 | 0:55:15 | |
economic analysis, 1.7% is better
than 0.6 percentage you are better | 0:55:15 | 0:55:21 | |
off with a Conservative government
than an SNP won. Will the Prime | 0:55:21 | 0:55:27 | |
Minister look at the case of my late
constituent and barnyard, who was | 0:55:27 | 0:55:32 | |
badly injured by a shoplifter. She
recently died, partly because of | 0:55:32 | 0:55:38 | |
these injuries at the young age of
70. -- Anne Banyard. Her claim has | 0:55:38 | 0:55:44 | |
been delayed and her family worries
that it will collapse completely. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:49 | |
Will she support me and the local
paper in supporting this case and | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
will to make clear that the rights
of victims should be a part of our | 0:55:52 | 0:55:58 | |
criminal policy? My honourable
friend is right to put the case for | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
the rights of victims that he is
absolutely right that we should | 0:56:00 | 0:56:03 | |
always remember victims. I'm very
sorry to hear the case of his late | 0:56:03 | 0:56:08 | |
constituent Anne Banyard and I know
that the whole house will want to | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
join me in offering condolences to
her family in this tragic case. Of | 0:56:11 | 0:56:16 | |
course, as my honourable friend
knows, the criminal compensation | 0:56:16 | 0:56:21 | |
authority administers the scheme and
applies the rules dependably of | 0:56:21 | 0:56:26 | |
government but I'm sure the Justice
Secretary will be happy to meet with | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
my right honourable friend to
discuss this case. At the | 0:56:29 | 0:56:33 | |
internationally embarrassing news of
the Tory council leader from my | 0:56:33 | 0:56:40 | |
neighbour in Maidenhead and Windsor
and his disregard for the homeless | 0:56:40 | 0:56:42 | |
around the royal wedding and the
recent put-downs to the Prime | 0:56:42 | 0:56:46 | |
Minister and our government by
President Trump, can the Prime | 0:56:46 | 0:56:48 | |
Minister confirm whether she
actually wants an invite to be | 0:56:48 | 0:56:52 | |
extended for the royal wedding and a
state visit to the very stable | 0:56:52 | 0:56:56 | |
genius from the US who, by the way,
seems to be copying all the | 0:56:56 | 0:57:00 | |
buzzwords from his not so strong and
stable -- from this not so strong | 0:57:00 | 0:57:05 | |
and stable government? He knows that
we have a special during | 0:57:05 | 0:57:10 | |
relationship with the United States.
An invitation to President Trump for | 0:57:10 | 0:57:13 | |
a state visit has been extended. I
have to say to the honourable | 0:57:13 | 0:57:18 | |
gentleman, I'm not responsible for
invitations to the royal wedding to | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
take place but he did reference the
Royal Borough of Windsor and | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
Maidenhead council. I just think he
should be aware that the Royal | 0:57:24 | 0:57:29 | |
Borough has taken a number of
actions to support vulnerable | 0:57:29 | 0:57:33 | |
residents, including those who are
homeless. The establishment of an | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
emergency night shelter, open 365
days a year, a day service attached | 0:57:37 | 0:57:43 | |
to that, providing support services
to vulnerable residents, a | 0:57:43 | 0:57:46 | |
comprehensive seven day a week
service for the homeless or those at | 0:57:46 | 0:57:50 | |
risk of homelessness, and they
applied the severe weather emergency | 0:57:50 | 0:57:55 | |
protocol. They offered accommodation
to, I think, 32 homeless people on | 0:57:55 | 0:58:01 | |
the streets, of whom 21 took about
accommodation and 11 did not. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:09 | |
accommodation and 11 did not. Thank
you, Mr Speaker. Cancer can strike | 0:58:09 | 0:58:11 | |
anyone no matter where they live in
the UK. The sunrise appeal in | 0:58:11 | 0:58:15 | |
Cornwall raised £300 million since
2000 to fund equipment and buildings | 0:58:15 | 0:58:19 | |
for cancer care. Brussels by the NHS
could see radiotherapy services | 0:58:19 | 0:58:23 | |
moved from Cornwall to Devon. This
would see many constituents having | 0:58:23 | 0:58:27 | |
to travel hundreds of miles to
access treatment many times a week. | 0:58:27 | 0:58:31 | |
These proposals are unacceptable to
my constituents and the vast | 0:58:31 | 0:58:34 | |
majority of people in Cornwall. Does
the Prime Minister agree with me | 0:58:34 | 0:58:38 | |
that travel time should be taken
into account when making these | 0:58:38 | 0:58:41 | |
decisions, and will she join me in
encouraging the people of Cornwall | 0:58:41 | 0:58:44 | |
to respond to the NHS consultation?
My honourable friend raises an | 0:58:44 | 0:58:48 | |
important point and we do want to be
sure that patients get the best | 0:58:48 | 0:58:52 | |
cancer services. We want to see them
getting access to treatment and | 0:58:52 | 0:58:55 | |
ensuring that they get that on a
timely fashion, of course. The | 0:58:55 | 0:58:58 | |
length of time it takes them to
travel to that treatment is an | 0:58:58 | 0:59:02 | |
important issue. That's why we are
establishing radiotherapy networks | 0:59:02 | 0:59:05 | |
that will review any access issues
and service provision on a regular | 0:59:05 | 0:59:09 | |
basis and address any shortcomings
in the area, and that is backed up | 0:59:09 | 0:59:14 | |
by £130 million on new and upgraded
radiotherapy machines. But he is | 0:59:14 | 0:59:18 | |
absolutely right that these
decisions should be taken primarily | 0:59:18 | 0:59:21 | |
at a local level and I would join
him in encouraging the people of | 0:59:21 | 0:59:24 | |
Cornwall to respond to the
consultation. Mr Speaker, last week | 0:59:24 | 0:59:30 | |
my constituent Carol's son had a
mental health crisis. He was | 0:59:30 | 0:59:35 | |
admitted to the nearest available
psychiatric adult bed in West | 0:59:35 | 0:59:39 | |
Sussex, a 450 mile round trip from
his home and family in Manchester. | 0:59:39 | 0:59:43 | |
The lack of mental health beds is a
national crisis and scandal so when | 0:59:43 | 0:59:48 | |
will the Prime Minister turn her
warm words on mental health into | 0:59:48 | 0:59:51 | |
action to solve the crisis? I can
say to the honourable gentleman, | 0:59:51 | 0:59:56 | |
obviously I am sorry to hear of the
experience of his constituent. We | 0:59:56 | 0:59:59 | |
are turning the words that we have
put on in terms of a priority for | 0:59:59 | 1:00:05 | |
mental health into action. Is them
over a slew? Yes, that is why we are | 1:00:05 | 1:00:08 | |
continuing to put an emphasis on
this. We do see more people being | 1:00:08 | 1:00:12 | |
able to access mental health
services everyday. We've increased | 1:00:12 | 1:00:15 | |
the number of people having access
to therapies, we've increased the | 1:00:15 | 1:00:19 | |
funding available for mental health.
There is more for us to do but we | 1:00:19 | 1:00:23 | |
are putting more money in and taking
more action on mental health than | 1:00:23 | 1:00:25 | |
any previous government. | 1:00:25 | 1:00:31 | |
any previous government. Sir Desmond
Swayne. | 1:00:31 | 1:00:32 | |
CHEERING
Order! Order! The right honourable | 1:00:32 | 1:00:40 | |
gentleman is extremely alert! Order!
And I want to hear what he is going | 1:00:40 | 1:00:47 | |
to say. A question keeps me awake at
night... | 1:00:47 | 1:00:51 | |
LAUGHTER
How will companies be encouraged to | 1:00:51 | 1:00:59 | |
follow her lead in the way that
Iceland has done? I am very pleased | 1:00:59 | 1:01:05 | |
to say that we have seen Iceland
this week making a commitment to be | 1:01:05 | 1:01:10 | |
plastic free. We have seen other
companies making commitments to | 1:01:10 | 1:01:13 | |
ensure that any plastics they use
are recyclable in a number of years | 1:01:13 | 1:01:18 | |
and I'm very happy to join my
honourable friend in saying that we | 1:01:18 | 1:01:22 | |
will be encouraging companies to
follow Iceland's lead. We will also | 1:01:22 | 1:01:26 | |
be consulting on how the tax system
or the introduction of charges could | 1:01:26 | 1:01:29 | |
further reduce the amount of waste
we create and we are launching a new | 1:01:29 | 1:01:33 | |
plastics innovation fund, backed up
by additional funding that the | 1:01:33 | 1:01:37 | |
Government is investing in research
and develop and, to ensure that we | 1:01:37 | 1:01:41 | |
do really reduce the amount of
plastic that is used and leave this | 1:01:41 | 1:01:47 | |
land and environment in a better
state than we found it. We can all | 1:01:47 | 1:01:51 | |
learn about brevity, myself
included, from the right honourable | 1:01:51 | 1:01:54 | |
gentleman. David Linden... | 1:01:54 | 1:02:00 | |
gentleman. David Linden... A
constituent of buying has profound | 1:02:00 | 1:02:03 | |
mental health difficulties and was
put on Universal Credit in 2016 and | 1:02:03 | 1:02:08 | |
received a 276 day sanction. A judge
ruled that that sanction was wrong | 1:02:08 | 1:02:13 | |
and it has been overturned. Will the
Prime Minister agree to look into | 1:02:13 | 1:02:16 | |
that case but above all, will she
apologised to my constituent? | 1:02:16 | 1:02:21 | |
Obviously, I am sorry to hear the
case that the honourable gentleman | 1:02:21 | 1:02:24 | |
has set out. I am very happy to
ensure that that cases properly | 1:02:24 | 1:02:26 | |
looked into. | 1:02:26 | 1:02:35 | |
looked into. Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Following transport for the North's | 1:02:35 | 1:02:38 | |
announcement on northern Powerhouse
rail, will the Prime Minister | 1:02:38 | 1:02:41 | |
confirm that given its commitment to
invest in northern transport | 1:02:41 | 1:02:44 | |
infrastructure and ensuring that the
northern Powerhouse materialises? I | 1:02:44 | 1:02:48 | |
am happy to give a commitment to the
northern Powerhouse and given the | 1:02:48 | 1:02:53 | |
great cities across the North --
giving very great cities of the | 1:02:53 | 1:03:00 | |
North begins a search of a need to
create that Northern Powerhouse. We | 1:03:00 | 1:03:03 | |
are spending a record £13 billion to
transform transport across unaltered | 1:03:03 | 1:03:08 | |
top we have made transport for the
north of a need to create that | 1:03:08 | 1:03:10 | |
Northern Powerhouse. We are spending
a record £13 billion to transform | 1:03:10 | 1:03:13 | |
transport across unaltered top we
have made transport for the North | 1:03:13 | 1:03:15 | |
the first-ever subnational transport
authority. They have published their | 1:03:15 | 1:03:17 | |
strategic plan for consultation and
I would hope that all members with | 1:03:17 | 1:03:19 | |
an interest in this issue would
engage in that consultation and make | 1:03:19 | 1:03:22 | |
sure their views and their
constituents' views are heard. His | 1:03:22 | 1:03:29 | |
Holiness Pope Francis has this week
condemned hostility to migrants in | 1:03:29 | 1:03:32 | |
communities across Europe. They must
open themselves without prejudice to | 1:03:32 | 1:03:37 | |
the rich diversity of immigrants. As
a committed Christian, would Prime | 1:03:37 | 1:03:43 | |
Minister agree with Francis that
hostility to migrants is a sin? What | 1:03:43 | 1:03:49 | |
I say to her is that this country
has a fine record over not just | 1:03:49 | 1:03:56 | |
decades but centuries, of welcoming
refugees and ensuring that people | 1:03:56 | 1:04:00 | |
can come to this country and make
their home in this country, and that | 1:04:00 | 1:04:03 | |
is what we will continue to do. | 1:04:03 | 1:04:11 | |
is what we will continue to do. John
Worboys is likely to be one of the | 1:04:11 | 1:04:15 | |
worst sex attack is our country has
ever known and when he was in court | 1:04:15 | 1:04:20 | |
he denied his guilt and was
continuing to deny it until 200 | 1:04:20 | 1:04:23 | |
years ago. He dismissed his crimes
as banter and only last year was | 1:04:23 | 1:04:26 | |
deemed too dangerous to be put into
open release conditions. The short | 1:04:26 | 1:04:30 | |
sentence he has served is an insult
to his victims and shows a contempt | 1:04:30 | 1:04:35 | |
for Justice. Does the Prime Minister
agree with me that the decision must | 1:04:35 | 1:04:39 | |
now be judiciary the -- judicially
reviewed and that those cases should | 1:04:39 | 1:04:46 | |
be broader when tried in court? I
thank him for raising this and this | 1:04:46 | 1:04:51 | |
is a case that is rightly raising
deep concern among the public but | 1:04:51 | 1:04:55 | |
also all members across this House.
As my honourable friend will know, | 1:04:55 | 1:05:01 | |
the Parole Board is rightly
independent of government and even | 1:05:01 | 1:05:04 | |
insensitive cases such as this, we
must ensure that independence is | 1:05:04 | 1:05:08 | |
maintained and we don't prejudice
decisions. But although they have | 1:05:08 | 1:05:12 | |
decided to approve his release with
stringent licensing decisions -- | 1:05:12 | 1:05:17 | |
conditions, the Justice Secretary
has made clear she is taking legal | 1:05:17 | 1:05:20 | |
advice on the possibility of a
judicially -- judicially review on | 1:05:20 | 1:05:25 | |
Mr Dock it is right that we would
conduct a review to look at options | 1:05:25 | 1:05:29 | |
for change and this... Public
protection is our priority and I | 1:05:29 | 1:05:35 | |
think often people are concerned
when they see decisions of the | 1:05:35 | 1:05:38 | |
Parole Board being taken and they
are not aware of the decisions | 1:05:38 | 1:05:42 | |
behind that. There may be limits to
what can be done but I figured it's | 1:05:42 | 1:05:45 | |
right that we look into this case
and question the issue of | 1:05:45 | 1:05:49 | |
transparency. Many thanks. By
constituent informed me that she had | 1:05:49 | 1:05:53 | |
been raped and beaten by her
ex-partner, requiring an injunction. | 1:05:53 | 1:05:59 | |
Much to her horror, the bank would
not close a joint account unless she | 1:05:59 | 1:06:03 | |
attended with the perpetrator. When
banks were left to their discretion, | 1:06:03 | 1:06:09 | |
women's lies are being put at risk.
Will the Prime Minister ensure | 1:06:09 | 1:06:15 | |
policy to protect survivors is
included in a pending domestic | 1:06:15 | 1:06:18 | |
violence spills? | 1:06:18 | 1:06:22 | |
The honourable lady clearly raises a
very distressing case. We want to | 1:06:22 | 1:06:26 | |
ensure that we give problems of bot
to all of those -- we give proper | 1:06:26 | 1:06:30 | |
support to those who have been
subjected to be abuse of the kind | 1:06:30 | 1:06:34 | |
that the honourable lady has been
referred to. The Home Secretary will | 1:06:34 | 1:06:39 | |
be issuing consultation on the
proposed legislation which is an | 1:06:39 | 1:06:43 | |
opportunity for issues such as this
to be raised. Thank you, Mr Speaker. | 1:06:43 | 1:06:48 | |
A brutal attack occurred in my
constituency over the weekend, a | 1:06:48 | 1:06:52 | |
young woman tragically died. Will
the Prime Minister ex then to her | 1:06:52 | 1:06:59 | |
sympathies to the family and pay
tributes to the hard work of the | 1:06:59 | 1:07:03 | |
emergency services who attended the
scene? Can I say to my honourable | 1:07:03 | 1:07:07 | |
friend Comey he told me about this
very distressing case last night, | 1:07:07 | 1:07:11 | |
and this is a horrific case. And I
do extend my sympathies, and I'm | 1:07:11 | 1:07:15 | |
sure the whole House extends their
sympathies and condolences to her | 1:07:15 | 1:07:18 | |
family and friends at this tragic
death that has occurred. I will also | 1:07:18 | 1:07:24 | |
congratulate the emergency services
on the action that they have taken. | 1:07:24 | 1:07:29 | |
But also, I think, from the
description my honourable friend | 1:07:29 | 1:07:32 | |
gave to me last night, I think we
should have some thought and care to | 1:07:32 | 1:07:38 | |
all of those who were witnesses to
this particular incident, through | 1:07:38 | 1:07:41 | |
their fault of their own other than
happening to be at a particular | 1:07:41 | 1:07:46 | |
premises at liberty to The Times or
through no fault of their own. The | 1:07:46 | 1:07:51 | |
Prime Minister will be aware that
Northern Ireland has not have the | 1:07:51 | 1:07:54 | |
government now for over a year.
Decisions need to be taken to | 1:07:54 | 1:07:58 | |
protect our health service,
education and local communities. | 1:07:58 | 1:08:01 | |
Does the Prime Minister agree that
in the absence of a Government being | 1:08:01 | 1:08:06 | |
formed, it is imperative that her
Government takes the decision to | 1:08:06 | 1:08:09 | |
appoint direct rule ministers as
soon as possible so that a budget | 1:08:09 | 1:08:14 | |
can be put forward to deal with this
urgent problem? We are committed to | 1:08:14 | 1:08:22 | |
re-establishing fully functioning,
inclusive devolved administration | 1:08:22 | 1:08:24 | |
that works for everyone in Northern
Ireland. I don't underestimate the | 1:08:24 | 1:08:28 | |
challenges that remain involved
here, but we still believe that a | 1:08:28 | 1:08:31 | |
way forward can be found under the
agreement can be reached. I would | 1:08:31 | 1:08:34 | |
say it is imperative that the
parties re-engage in intensive | 1:08:34 | 1:08:38 | |
discussions aimed at resolving the
outstanding issues so that the | 1:08:38 | 1:08:42 | |
assembly can meet and an executive
can be formed. We do recognise, | 1:08:42 | 1:08:47 | |
however, that we have a
responsibility to ensure political | 1:08:47 | 1:08:50 | |
stability and good governance in
Northern Ireland. As I say, our | 1:08:50 | 1:08:55 | |
priority was on ensuring that we can
work with bodies to re-establish the | 1:08:55 | 1:08:59 | |
devolved government in Northern
Ireland. But we recognise the need | 1:08:59 | 1:09:02 | |
to ensure that Northern Ireland can
continue to operate and that public | 1:09:02 | 1:09:06 | |
services can continue to be
provided. I thank her for her | 1:09:06 | 1:09:14 | |
earlier response to my colleague
from North Cornwall. NHS England are | 1:09:14 | 1:09:21 | |
investing £130 million in the
radiotherapy treatment for air and | 1:09:21 | 1:09:23 | |
less common cancers. Can she confirm
and reassure my constituents that | 1:09:23 | 1:09:28 | |
there is no need for existing good
radiotherapy services in Somerset to | 1:09:28 | 1:09:33 | |
be moved in order to deliver this
cancer treatment for our cancers? | 1:09:33 | 1:09:37 | |
Well, as I said in relation to the
earlier question from my honourable | 1:09:37 | 1:09:42 | |
friend -- for rare cancers. We
recognise the importance of ensuring | 1:09:42 | 1:09:46 | |
that people have access to these
treatments, and we do recognise the | 1:09:46 | 1:09:50 | |
issues that people sometimes face in
relation to travelling to the | 1:09:50 | 1:09:54 | |
centres where these services are
available. This is primarily a | 1:09:54 | 1:09:58 | |
decision to be taken at local level.
As I did earlier, I would encourage | 1:09:58 | 1:10:02 | |
people to take part in the
consultation, to respond to the | 1:10:02 | 1:10:06 | |
consultation, so that local views
can truly be heard and taken into | 1:10:06 | 1:10:09 | |
account. My constituent, Chris
Robinson, has the weight 52 weeks | 1:10:09 | 1:10:15 | |
for her pain relief treatment,
instead of the 18 weeks that a | 1:10:15 | 1:10:20 | |
properly funded NHS would deliver.
How much longer will it take for the | 1:10:20 | 1:10:25 | |
Prime Minister to sort things out?
Can I say to the honourable | 1:10:25 | 1:10:31 | |
gentleman, that we are putting more
money, as he knows, into the | 1:10:31 | 1:10:35 | |
National Health Service, in the
autumn budget the Chancellor of the | 1:10:35 | 1:10:39 | |
Exchequer but a further £2.8 billion
into the National Health Service. | 1:10:39 | 1:10:43 | |
But if we are looking at the issues
of treatment across the National | 1:10:43 | 1:10:47 | |
Health Service, we have to be very
clear that while Labour's answer is | 1:10:47 | 1:10:52 | |
always does, more money, this is
about ensuring that all hospitals | 1:10:52 | 1:10:55 | |
across the NHS are operating and
acting in accordance with best | 1:10:55 | 1:11:01 | |
practice. We have world-class
hospitals in our NHS, we want to | 1:11:01 | 1:11:05 | |
ensure they are all world-class. I
understand London has been mentioned | 1:11:05 | 1:11:12 | |
as a potential host to the Bayeux
Tapestry. Given that visitors to | 1:11:12 | 1:11:16 | |
London wish to see two site chucking
at each other or already very well | 1:11:16 | 1:11:22 | |
catered for by the gallery in this
chamber, can I ask the Prime | 1:11:22 | 1:11:26 | |
Minister to put in a good word for
Battle Abbey in East Sussex, where | 1:11:26 | 1:11:29 | |
viewers cannot just see the tapestry
-- can not just see the tapestry but | 1:11:29 | 1:11:36 | |
can also see the views of the Sussex
countryside. I think it is very | 1:11:36 | 1:11:42 | |
significant that the Bayeux Tapestry
is going to be coming to the United | 1:11:42 | 1:11:45 | |
Kingdom and that people are going to
be able to see this. I hear the bid | 1:11:45 | 1:11:49 | |
that he has put in. I have to say to
him that from a set of true position | 1:11:49 | 1:11:54 | |
on the front bench my right
honourable friend the Home Secretary | 1:11:54 | 1:11:56 | |
and member for Hastings also put in
a bid for this particular issue and | 1:11:56 | 1:12:00 | |
I'm sure we will be looking at very
carefully to ensure that the maximum | 1:12:00 | 1:12:04 | |
number of people can take benefit
from seeing this tapestry. Thank | 1:12:04 | 1:12:11 | |
you, Mr Speaker. The Prime Minister
pledged to consign slavery to the | 1:12:11 | 1:12:13 | |
history books. On... The National
Audit Office said that the Home | 1:12:13 | 1:12:16 | |
Office has not set out how a
reduction will be measured. The Home | 1:12:16 | 1:12:20 | |
Office does not set clear
anti-slavery activity, the Home | 1:12:20 | 1:12:23 | |
Office does not knowing what
activity will be going on across | 1:12:23 | 1:12:26 | |
Government and does not monitor
business compliance with the Modern | 1:12:26 | 1:12:30 | |
Slavery Act. Is the Prime Minister
satisfied with that analysis of her | 1:12:30 | 1:12:34 | |
flagship policy, and what action
will be Government by taking? It is | 1:12:34 | 1:12:37 | |
this government that introduced the
Modern Slavery Act. It is this | 1:12:37 | 1:12:41 | |
Government that... It is this
Government that has improved the | 1:12:41 | 1:12:49 | |
response to victims, the response
from police in catching | 1:12:49 | 1:12:52 | |
perpetrators. We see more cases
being brought the prosecution than | 1:12:52 | 1:12:56 | |
we have done before, we see more
victim is willing and able to come | 1:12:56 | 1:13:00 | |
forward and having the confidence to
come forward. Have we dealt with the | 1:13:00 | 1:13:04 | |
problem? Of course there are still
problems out there. But we want to | 1:13:04 | 1:13:08 | |
ensure, as my right honourable
friend the International Development | 1:13:08 | 1:13:12 | |
Secretary said earlier in
international element questions, not | 1:13:12 | 1:13:15 | |
just that we take action here in the
United Kingdom, that we work with | 1:13:15 | 1:13:18 | |
countries where | 1:13:18 | 1:13:27 | |
countries where the women are doing.
Members across this House have sung | 1:13:27 | 1:13:32 | |
for Syrians. Last week in Idlib, a
clinic and a kindergarten that we | 1:13:32 | 1:13:37 | |
support were bombed by Syrian
government destroyers. Will the | 1:13:37 | 1:13:43 | |
Prime Minister join me in paying
tribute to the bravery of the staff | 1:13:43 | 1:13:49 | |
at the hands up foundation, who
continued to work there, and also in | 1:13:49 | 1:13:54 | |
reassuring ordinary Syrians that in
the seventh year of this terrible | 1:13:54 | 1:13:58 | |
war that we haven't forgotten them
by. Well, can I say to my honourable | 1:13:58 | 1:14:03 | |
friend, she has been a great
champion for charities working in | 1:14:03 | 1:14:07 | |
Syria, and particularly for the
singing for Syrians. And I am very | 1:14:07 | 1:14:12 | |
happy to join her in praising the
bravery of all of those working for | 1:14:12 | 1:14:15 | |
the hands up foundation. And also
others working for other charities | 1:14:15 | 1:14:19 | |
in the region, doing valuable and
important work. We continue to make | 1:14:19 | 1:14:23 | |
every effort to achieve our goals in
Syria. That is of course defeating | 1:14:23 | 1:14:28 | |
the scourge of Daesh. But also
ensuring that we achieve a political | 1:14:28 | 1:14:32 | |
settlement that end the suffering
and provides the ability for all | 1:14:32 | 1:14:35 | |
Syrians and the wider region. And we
continue to provide significant | 1:14:35 | 1:14:42 | |
humanitarian assistance, £2.46
billion to date. Can the Prime | 1:14:42 | 1:14:45 | |
Minister tell me why the failed
Wakefield Academy was allowed to | 1:14:45 | 1:14:51 | |
take over schools in Bradford, even
though there were concerns as far | 1:14:51 | 1:14:55 | |
back as 2015 around them? Can she
give me assurances here today that | 1:14:55 | 1:15:02 | |
the hundreds of thousands of pounds
taken from schools in my | 1:15:02 | 1:15:06 | |
constituency, one of the poorest in
the country, will be returned | 1:15:06 | 1:15:09 | |
immediately. We of course have a
priority to ensure that children | 1:15:09 | 1:15:15 | |
across the country receive a great
education, whether they are in the | 1:15:15 | 1:15:19 | |
north or the South. Of course, seven
of our 12 opportunity areas in | 1:15:19 | 1:15:23 | |
providing that support or in the
North and Midlands, the front line | 1:15:23 | 1:15:27 | |
of our approach, tackling inequality
in education outcomes. We are taking | 1:15:27 | 1:15:31 | |
forward, he is concerned about
northerners Gauls, we are taking | 1:15:31 | 1:15:35 | |
forward recommendations for the
Northern Powerhouse schools | 1:15:35 | 1:15:37 | |
strategy. We are putting record
levels of funding into our schools, | 1:15:37 | 1:15:42 | |
and have announced increased funding
for our schools over the next two | 1:15:42 | 1:15:44 | |
years. I'm local charities will be
holding a meeting to discuss how we | 1:15:44 | 1:15:51 | |
can fight the problem of loneliness
in our community. At a national | 1:15:51 | 1:15:56 | |
level, what is the Prime Minister
doing to implement the important | 1:15:56 | 1:16:00 | |
recommendations of the Jo Cox
commission on loneliness? My | 1:16:00 | 1:16:03 | |
honourable friend has raised a very
important issue, he is exactly | 1:16:03 | 1:16:07 | |
right, but too many people,
loneliness is the exact reality of | 1:16:07 | 1:16:10 | |
their modern wife. We know it has an
impact on mental and physical | 1:16:10 | 1:16:14 | |
health. -- of their modern life.
Later today, I will be hosting a | 1:16:14 | 1:16:19 | |
reception for the Jo Cox foundation
looking at this issue of loneliness | 1:16:19 | 1:16:23 | |
in number ten Downing St. I think
the work that Jo Cox started that | 1:16:23 | 1:16:27 | |
has been continued by my honourable
friend is a member for South Ribble, | 1:16:27 | 1:16:33 | |
and the honourable lady for Leeds
West. It is very important, very | 1:16:33 | 1:16:41 | |
important work. And I'm pleased to
say that the Government has | 1:16:41 | 1:16:45 | |
appointed a Minister for loneliness.
I think this is an importance that | 1:16:45 | 1:16:50 | |
forward, of course there is more to
do, but it shows that we recognise | 1:16:50 | 1:16:53 | |
the importance of this issue, and I
pay tribute to all of those in this | 1:16:53 | 1:16:57 | |
House who have championed this
issue. You Universal Credit was | 1:16:57 | 1:17:00 | |
meant to remove benefit traps. The
Department for education wants to | 1:17:00 | 1:17:08 | |
base eligibility for free school
meals on income threshold, if a | 1:17:08 | 1:17:12 | |
family gets a small pay rise, they
immediately lose the benefit of the | 1:17:12 | 1:17:16 | |
school meals and end up worse off.
It is a far worse benefit trap than | 1:17:16 | 1:17:21 | |
anything in the old benefit system.
Surely one department should not be | 1:17:21 | 1:17:26 | |
torpedoing the aim of getting rid of
benefit traps. The Goverment's aims | 1:17:26 | 1:17:29 | |
in this way. The right honourable
gentleman knows that we believe that | 1:17:29 | 1:17:35 | |
Universal Credit is a better system.
It is a more simple system than the | 1:17:35 | 1:17:39 | |
benefits it replaced and it
encourages work -- people to get | 1:17:39 | 1:17:45 | |
into the workplace. But once
Universal Credit is fully rolled | 1:17:45 | 1:17:49 | |
out, we will see 50,000 more
children eligible for free school | 1:17:49 | 1:17:52 | |
meals than under the old system.
Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can I welcome | 1:17:52 | 1:17:58 | |
the great speech that the Prime
Minister gave last Thursday on the | 1:17:58 | 1:18:03 | |
environment? It is right that the
Prime Minister and indeed this party | 1:18:03 | 1:18:09 | |
supports companies that promote
sustainable growth, but does the | 1:18:09 | 1:18:12 | |
Prime Minister also agree with me
that any commercial development must | 1:18:12 | 1:18:17 | |
take now into account the needs of
the environment? Can I say to my | 1:18:17 | 1:18:23 | |
honourable friend, I thank him for
the comments he made about the | 1:18:23 | 1:18:26 | |
speech. But what it was about was
the 25 year environment plan that | 1:18:26 | 1:18:30 | |
the guv -- the Government has
published. It is important to leave | 1:18:30 | 1:18:38 | |
the environment in a better state
than when we came into it. I also | 1:18:38 | 1:18:41 | |
agree with him that all too often
people see economic growth or | 1:18:41 | 1:18:46 | |
protection of the environment as
opposites, they are not. And it is | 1:18:46 | 1:18:50 | |
absolutely possible for us to ensure
that we are protecting our | 1:18:50 | 1:18:53 | |
environment whilst producing that
economic growth, not least because | 1:18:53 | 1:18:57 | |
of the innovative technologies that
we could be developing to ensure | 1:18:57 | 1:18:59 | |
that we are protecting our
environment. The people of Wales | 1:18:59 | 1:19:06 | |
have been taking back control since
1999. But the EU withdrawal bill | 1:19:06 | 1:19:11 | |
will put our powers back under lock
and key in Westminster. My | 1:19:11 | 1:19:15 | |
colleague, Stefan Langer is a, is
today proposing a Welsh continuity | 1:19:15 | 1:19:19 | |
built to ensure that our powers are
at liberty. When this Plaid Cymru | 1:19:19 | 1:19:24 | |
bill wins image team our Assembly,
will the Prime Minister support it | 1:19:24 | 1:19:32 | |
and respect Wales' serenity. Her
portrayal of what is happening in | 1:19:32 | 1:19:37 | |
the EU withdrawal bill is simply
wrong. We are working with the | 1:19:37 | 1:19:43 | |
devolved administrations to ensure
that we deal with the issues that | 1:19:43 | 1:19:46 | |
have been raised around clause 11
and a question of powers that need | 1:19:46 | 1:19:51 | |
to remain at UK level to ensure our
internal market, but powers will be | 1:19:51 | 1:19:56 | |
devolved and extra powers will be
devolved to the devolved | 1:19:56 | 1:19:59 | |
ministrations. We continue to work
with the devolved administrations on | 1:19:59 | 1:20:03 | |
this, and we will be bringing
forward a two clause amendment in | 1:20:03 | 1:20:07 | |
the House of Lords, but we want to
win sure that that meets the needs | 1:20:07 | 1:20:11 | |
of the UK and the devolved
ministrations. Order. | 1:20:11 | 1:20:14 | |
Well, we were right. Mr Corbyn did
go on Carillion, the bankrupt, now | 1:20:19 | 1:20:26 | |
being liquidated, construction
company and he wanted to know from | 1:20:26 | 1:20:29 | |
the Prime Minister why when it was
clear that the company was in | 1:20:29 | 1:20:32 | |
serious trouble the Government
continued to dole out contracts to | 1:20:32 | 1:20:36 | |
it. There were times when you may
have thought he'd been watching the | 1:20:36 | 1:20:39 | |
first half hour of the Daily
Politics, such was his line of | 1:20:39 | 1:20:43 | |
questioning, or at least some of his
staff may well have been. I'm not | 1:20:43 | 1:20:46 | |
quite sure how much further we got
on with this but it finished up, | 1:20:46 | 1:20:54 | |
really, with Mr Corbyn attacking
almost the very concept of | 1:20:54 | 1:20:57 | |
outsourcing to the private sector,
private services and perhaps even | 1:20:57 | 1:21:04 | |
construction contracts. That was
quite clear. And Mrs May giving the | 1:21:04 | 1:21:10 | |
defence of the private sector in the
provision of public services, and | 1:21:10 | 1:21:16 | |
ideological divide if you like.
Let's discuss this with the Cabinet | 1:21:16 | 1:21:19 | |
office minister Oliver Dowden, Chi
Onwurah, and John Pienaar. Not sure | 1:21:19 | 1:21:27 | |
we learned anything new from that
exchange. No and Jeremy Corbyn was | 1:21:27 | 1:21:31 | |
spoiled for choice for attack lines,
a number of which I think had a fair | 1:21:31 | 1:21:37 | |
chance of striking a chord with the
public looking in - the awarding of | 1:21:37 | 1:21:42 | |
quite large pay and severance
bonuses and deals to past executives | 1:21:42 | 1:21:45 | |
who were there just a few months ago
while this company was going down. A | 1:21:45 | 1:21:49 | |
lot of people will have sympathy
with that line of attack. The | 1:21:49 | 1:21:53 | |
question posed by Jeremy Corbyn,
which you were discussing earlier, | 1:21:53 | 1:21:57 | |
why were contracts being handed over
to this company when it was in such, | 1:21:57 | 1:22:01 | |
such trouble. We had from Theresa
May most of the time a fairly | 1:22:01 | 1:22:06 | |
defensive dead bat to this. She did
and so that latter question quite | 1:22:06 | 1:22:09 | |
bluntly, made more bluntly than
Oliver felt able to early on the | 1:22:09 | 1:22:13 | |
show, when he said, if we had not
handed these contracts over because | 1:22:13 | 1:22:18 | |
there had been profit warnings, the
company would have gone down the | 1:22:18 | 1:22:21 | |
plug that much sooner and those jobs
would have gone. Which still left | 1:22:21 | 1:22:24 | |
other questions unanswered. If that
is the complete answer, next time | 1:22:24 | 1:22:28 | |
will there be another company
teetering on the brink which is | 1:22:28 | 1:22:30 | |
still given contracts in this way,
and the failure barely addressed? | 1:22:30 | 1:22:36 | |
Surely the answer is going to have
to be no and the answer will have to | 1:22:36 | 1:22:39 | |
come at a review is taken now but
they ended up with basic ideology, | 1:22:39 | 1:22:42 | |
which is where it starts. Oliver
Dowden, the Prime Minister said they | 1:22:42 | 1:22:47 | |
couldn't pull out of contract
because that would have made certain | 1:22:47 | 1:22:49 | |
that the company would fail. But the
issue is not pulling out of | 1:22:49 | 1:22:53 | |
contract, the issue was continuing
to grant new contracts to the | 1:22:53 | 1:22:58 | |
company even though it was clearly
in trouble. That's a different | 1:22:58 | 1:23:00 | |
matter. Yes, and in respect of that,
as we discussed earlier, we | 1:23:00 | 1:23:06 | |
structure them in such a way that
they were joint ventures, we were | 1:23:06 | 1:23:10 | |
stringent on the joint ventures.
What you've seen subsequently is | 1:23:10 | 1:23:12 | |
that the other parties are stepped
up there has been no interruption to | 1:23:12 | 1:23:16 | |
public service delivery. John makes
an important point about jobs. In | 1:23:16 | 1:23:21 | |
relation to jobs, anyone working in
the public sector, 40 %, their jobs | 1:23:21 | 1:23:25 | |
are secure because the Government is
going to pay out on this contract | 1:23:25 | 1:23:28 | |
and we know this morning from the
official receiver that in relation | 1:23:28 | 1:23:32 | |
to the private sector service
contracts, most of those will | 1:23:32 | 1:23:36 | |
continue, so people can be secure in
that section. But they won't be | 1:23:36 | 1:23:40 | |
paid? They will continue to be paid
because those contracts are going to | 1:23:40 | 1:23:44 | |
continue to be honoured because they
will continue to be delivered on. If | 1:23:44 | 1:23:48 | |
you are an SME, a small contractor
that Carillion gets the big contract | 1:23:48 | 1:23:52 | |
then hands out hundreds, if not
thousands, of smaller contracts and, | 1:23:52 | 1:23:58 | |
for the last 120 days, you've been
working away and you put your bill | 1:23:58 | 1:24:01 | |
in as a small contractor, the
company is now in liquidation. That | 1:24:01 | 1:24:07 | |
private company won't get paid. In
respect will it? Carillion Bosworth | 1:24:07 | 1:24:18 | |
company has two parts, 4010 public
sector and 6010 private sector. In | 1:24:18 | 1:24:21 | |
relation to the 40 percentage the
public sector, through the official | 1:24:21 | 1:24:24 | |
receiver those contracts will be
honoured all the way through the | 1:24:24 | 1:24:27 | |
supply chain service people will be
fine. In relation to the contract | 1:24:27 | 1:24:31 | |
the private sector, almost all of
the service contracts will continue | 1:24:31 | 1:24:34 | |
to be honoured because, for example,
if you have a cleaning contract, the | 1:24:34 | 1:24:39 | |
officer still needs to be cleaned so
those will be delivered upon. | 1:24:39 | 1:24:42 | |
Clearly, in relation to the
remaining part, which is in the | 1:24:42 | 1:24:45 | |
private sector, that will be treated
as in any other private sector | 1:24:45 | 1:24:48 | |
liquidation. The official receiver
will seek to recover as much as he | 1:24:48 | 1:24:53 | |
possibly can and they will be
creditors to that company so the | 1:24:53 | 1:24:56 | |
amount that they get paid depends on
a liquidation process. So far the | 1:24:56 | 1:25:01 | |
latest guesstimate was that they
will get a penny in the pound. It is | 1:25:01 | 1:25:06 | |
impossible to speculate that was the
official receiver. The company has | 1:25:06 | 1:25:12 | |
almost nothing on its balance sheet
so there are no assets to dig into. | 1:25:12 | 1:25:17 | |
At a £29 million of cash in the bank
and that's about it. I take your | 1:25:17 | 1:25:22 | |
point that if you are a cleaning
company to which the cleaning has | 1:25:22 | 1:25:26 | |
been subcontracted, you will
probably be able to continue to do | 1:25:26 | 1:25:29 | |
that. Exactly where the money will
come from I am not sure. But if I | 1:25:29 | 1:25:33 | |
have just submitted a bill for the
past 120 days and have not yet been | 1:25:33 | 1:25:37 | |
paid, I won't get paid. In respect
of the cleaning company, those | 1:25:37 | 1:25:43 | |
people will beat you bid over. That
means you continue on the same deal. | 1:25:43 | 1:25:48 | |
-- those people will be TUPEd over.
As and those people who are | 1:25:48 | 1:25:56 | |
essentially creditors, this is
purely private sector, they will not | 1:25:56 | 1:26:00 | |
be paid yet. In any liquidation the
process is that the official | 1:26:00 | 1:26:04 | |
receiver seeks to recover as much as
possible and then they will get paid | 1:26:04 | 1:26:07 | |
but that is absolutely no different
to any other situation with a | 1:26:07 | 1:26:11 | |
private company. Mr Corbyn at the
end had quite a generalised attack | 1:26:11 | 1:26:17 | |
on the whole concept of outsourcing
certain services to the public | 1:26:17 | 1:26:22 | |
sector. Is it Labour's position that
all of that.? I worked in the | 1:26:22 | 1:26:30 | |
private sector for 20 years before
coming to Parliament. You do not | 1:26:30 | 1:26:34 | |
outsource what is your core
competence in the private sector. At | 1:26:34 | 1:26:37 | |
the core competence which the Prime
Minister doesn't seem to recognise, | 1:26:37 | 1:26:44 | |
and Oliver, is to deliver public
services. So what we are saying is | 1:26:44 | 1:26:48 | |
that the public sector, and Jerry
said that quite clearly, and we've | 1:26:48 | 1:26:51 | |
seem with virgin, G4S, the public
sector should be delivering public | 1:26:51 | 1:26:59 | |
services... So when it comes to the
private provision of public | 1:26:59 | 1:27:04 | |
services, for example rubbish
collection, which is now largely in | 1:27:04 | 1:27:07 | |
private hands, is it Labour's
position to and that? It is Labour's | 1:27:07 | 1:27:13 | |
position that where public
services... Where possible, and we | 1:27:13 | 1:27:16 | |
can't do everything at once, and we
will need to look at the cost of | 1:27:16 | 1:27:21 | |
locations, but where possible public
services should be delivered by the | 1:27:21 | 1:27:23 | |
public sector and I think that's
quite clear. Including hospital | 1:27:23 | 1:27:26 | |
laundry? We need to build the
capacity and we need to recognise | 1:27:26 | 1:27:33 | |
that the private sector can add
capacity and resilience but in | 1:27:33 | 1:27:40 | |
public services, people expect that
their government should deliver... I | 1:27:40 | 1:27:44 | |
get the principle, and trying to
work out where it leads. You are | 1:27:44 | 1:27:50 | |
making the private sector the public
sector and that's why you are | 1:27:50 | 1:27:54 | |
saying... The reason you have this
contracting out, which many | 1:27:54 | 1:27:59 | |
companies do... The reason they do
it and the reason Government does, | 1:27:59 | 1:28:03 | |
in relation to cleaning you have
companies that have expertise. The | 1:28:03 | 1:28:07 | |
effect of that as you save money for
the taxpayer, so you have more money | 1:28:07 | 1:28:11 | |
to pay for schools and hospitals. We
have to leave it there. Our viewers | 1:28:11 | 1:28:16 | |
need to know who won the Guess The
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Can Do That Is If You Press That Red
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