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Henry Bolton says he won't stand
down, promising to fight | 0:01:12 | 0:01:19 | |
on and "drain the party swamp". | 0:01:19 | 0:01:20 | |
We put one of his supporters up
against one of his critics. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
And we speak to the controversial
left-wing activist Jackie Walker, | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
who says her suspension
from the Labour party | 0:01:26 | 0:01:27 | |
is a witchhunt. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
She's calling on the party's
newly constituted ruling | 0:01:29 | 0:01:30 | |
body to let her back in. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
All of that in the next hour -
and with us for the whole | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
of the programme today
is the Conservative | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
MP George Freeman -
a former minister and, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
until November, the chair of
the Prime Minister's policy board. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
Welcome back to the programme. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
First today, the BBC understands
that Boris Johnson is using today's | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
meeting of the cabinet to push
for an extra £100 million a week | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
for the NHS in England after Brexit. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
Here is the Foreign Secretary
arriving for that | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
meeting this morning. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
He was unusually tight-lipped
when challenged by reporters | 0:01:57 | 0:01:58 | |
in Downing Street. | 0:01:58 | 0:01:59 | |
Our political correspondent
Norman Smith is in Downing Street. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:06 | |
Do you want to be the Chancellor,
Foreign Secretary, or perhaps Health | 0:02:06 | 0:02:11 | |
Secretary? | 0:02:11 | 0:02:21 | |
Secretary? That £350 million on the
side of the bus of the Leave | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
campaign! Is this about Boris
Johnson trying to save his | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
reputation, Norman Smith? I think a
part of it is Boris Johnson seeking | 0:02:28 | 0:02:33 | |
vindication, justification, for that
hugely contentious claim during the | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
referendum campaign about the extra
£350 million of. Although you will | 0:02:37 | 0:02:43 | |
be saying, hang on, he is now
promising only 100 million, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
nevertheless that is roughly the net
figure once you subtract from a £350 | 0:02:47 | 0:02:53 | |
million all the cash we get back
from the EU. My understanding is | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
that Johnson is deal the £350
million offer to become government | 0:02:56 | 0:03:03 | |
policy Jeff Heath thinks it can
inject a bit more positive energy to | 0:03:03 | 0:03:10 | |
the rather dour Brexit process. More
than that, I'm told that he visited | 0:03:10 | 0:03:16 | |
his local Oxbridge hospital, along
with the Health Secretary, Jeremy | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
Hunt, not so long ago and was very
concerned about what he saw in terms | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
of the pressures on staff and the
state of morale. And he thinks there | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
is now a pressing case to get extra
funds for the NHS. But you have to | 0:03:29 | 0:03:34 | |
say, it is all very odd. Sometimes
we get Cabinet ministers briefing | 0:03:34 | 0:03:40 | |
what they've said in a cabinet
meeting, we don't really get cabinet | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
ministers | 0:03:44 | 0:03:49 | |
briefing what they're going to say,
and on a subject area which is | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
nothing to do with their particular
area, Boris Johnson being the | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
Foreign Secretary, not the Health
Secretary. And that prompted this | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
rather tart puts down from the
Chancellor as he arrived in Brussels | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
this morning. Mr Johnson is the
Foreign Secretary. Mr Johnson is the | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
Foreign Secretary. I gave the Health
Secretary an extra six William | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
pounds in the budget. More details
will be in the spending review, when | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
that takes place. And the timing of
this could scarcely be more awkward | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
for Theresa May, because it chimes
with a whole load of backbenchers | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
sniping that has been directed at
Mrs May for her lack of radicalism, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
lack of big ideas, lack of really
new thinking and, I suppose, Boris | 0:04:32 | 0:04:39 | |
Johnson will argue, here's a big
idea, an extra £100 million for the | 0:04:39 | 0:04:46 | |
NHS every week. It fuels the
narrative that Mrs May is far too | 0:04:46 | 0:04:51 | |
cautious. George Freeman, do you
support Boris Johnson's call for | 0:04:51 | 0:04:59 | |
£100 million extra per week to be
spent on the NHS? I think we all | 0:04:59 | 0:05:04 | |
want more money to be spent on the
NHS, and Philip Hammond is right, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
that is why we put a lot more in
just a few weeks ago. The real | 0:05:08 | 0:05:13 | |
challenge is, can we make Brexit a
moment where we increase our rate of | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
growth so that business generates
more money for the public sector, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
and secondly, the integration with
care. I think the Prime Minister has | 0:05:20 | 0:05:25 | |
signalled a real commitment on this
issue to make sure that we really | 0:05:25 | 0:05:30 | |
build care and health together. But
she has not actually moved the funds | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
to the health department, so its
cosmetic? It is only one week in at | 0:05:34 | 0:05:40 | |
yes, we need to see some really big
thinking about the NHS in the 21st | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
century. That is the real challenge.
So, you support Boris Johnson making | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
this public school - should he have
done it through the newspapers when | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
he is the Foreign Secretary, not the
Health Secretary? I was quite | 0:05:53 | 0:05:58 | |
surprised to read it in the papers.
It is really important that the | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
Cabinet works behind closed doors,
it is the highest council in the | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
land. It is really important that
the public have faith that the | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
Cabinet is able to do its job behind
closed doors, not in the newspapers. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:14 | |
Everyone is deal to make sure that
their issues are being heard. But I | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
think it is important that Cabinet
collective responsibility holds. Has | 0:06:18 | 0:06:23 | |
he overstepped the mark? I was quite
surprised to read in advance of the | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
meeting what was going to be said.
So he has breached Cabinet | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
collective responsibility? No.
Cabinet collective responsibility is | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
about sticking to policy decisions
that have been made. But the point | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
is, I think it is really important
that people can see that Cabinet is | 0:06:39 | 0:06:44 | |
working behind closed doors. Because
if everybody did that in the Cabinet | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
it would be mayhem, if everybody
spoke right across their briefs. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
What should Theresa May do to rein
in Boris Johnson but big yearning it | 0:06:50 | 0:06:56 | |
is quite difficult to rein in Boris
Johnson because he is Boris Johnson, | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
here's something of a loose cannon,
that is his whole political | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
character. I think what the Prime
Minister has to do is to show that | 0:07:03 | 0:07:08 | |
she and her team are absolutely
serious about integration with care. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
Yes, more money but also old
thinking about the NHS in the 21st | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
century. I have called for some
really long-term, cross-party | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
thinking. Jeremy Hunt has done a
brilliant job taking politics out of | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
the NHS. I think we should go
further and | 0:07:23 | 0:07:31 | |
further and signal a commitment to
make it a National Health Service, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
not a hearty health service. So, was
the Prime Minister wrong to dismiss | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
this cross-party commission on the
NHS, then? It is not that she has | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
dismissed it out of hand. She said
thanks, no thanks, really. Well, it | 0:07:39 | 0:07:44 | |
is a discussion which is ongoing.
There are many people who are | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
strongly supporting it. A royal
commission would take a decade or | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
more. I think a lot of us feel that
if you take someone like, say, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:57 | |
Norman Lamb, Conservatives like
myself, people on the Labour benches | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
who agree about much of this, we can
take out a lot of the politics and | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
then identify the big question is
where we have to have a big debate, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
and I think that will do as a
service. Do you understand the | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
frustration of people like Sarah
Wollaston, who is calling for | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
Theresa May to be bolder, and
others, saying that she needs to be | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
bolder on this issue? I said similar
things. The challenge is that she | 0:08:19 | 0:08:24 | |
leads a government which is almost
totally preoccupied, inevitably, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
with Brexit. The challenge is to
find the bandwidth and the capacity | 0:08:28 | 0:08:33 | |
to do the big thinking. That's why I
have called for her to set up a | 0:08:33 | 0:08:38 | |
commission, like Churchill did in
the war, beyond Brexit, how to make | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
this a moment of inspiring national
renewal to to make the imagination | 0:08:42 | 0:08:47 | |
of people who largely did not vote
for it. Do you accept the idea that | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
Labour has won on the issue of the
NHS and as a result the Tories | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
should just focus on other issues? I
absolutely don't. I think Jeremy | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
Hunt has done an amazing job taking
the Labour Party's claim to be the | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
only hearty of the NHS out.
Everybody knows it needs more | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
funding and better integration with
care. The challenge is, are we going | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
to be bold in really owning a vision
of the NHS in the 21st century? More | 0:09:11 | 0:09:17 | |
local, more integrative, letting
local leaders run it. We have to be | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
bold. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
Now it's time for our daily quiz. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
The question for today is?
Which former politician | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
was photographed at Disneyland Paris
while his wife was attending | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
meetings in the French capital? | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
Was it... | 0:09:35 | 0:09:36 | |
a) David Cameron? | 0:09:36 | 0:09:37 | |
B) Ed Balls? | 0:09:37 | 0:09:38 | |
C) Nick Clegg? | 0:09:38 | 0:09:39 | |
Or d) Barack Obama? | 0:09:39 | 0:09:40 | |
At the end of the show, George
will give us the correct answer. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
Now, what do the business
lobby group the CBI, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
the Labour frontbench,
pro-Remain Tory backbenchers | 0:09:46 | 0:09:47 | |
and reportedly some cabinet
ministers all have in common? | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
They think we should
at least consider staying | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
in the EU's customs union,
or, as some people prefer, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
in A customs union with the EU. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:55 | |
Let's take a look... | 0:09:55 | 0:09:56 | |
All 28 EU member states are formally
members of the custom union. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
And the EU also has custom union
agreements with other | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
countries, like Turkey,
Andorra and San Marino. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:03 | |
The customs union means that no
tariffs or duties are charged | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
on goods being traded
inside the union. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:12 | |
And members of the customs union
are required to place the same | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
tariffs on goods coming
into the bloc from | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
outside countries. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:18 | |
And the EU also negotiates trade
deals on behalf of all members. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
Countries inside the customs
union are not allowed | 0:10:22 | 0:10:27 | |
to strike their own bilateral trade
deals with other countries. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:32 | |
At her Florence speech in September,
Theresa May said... | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
But last month, the Chancellor,
Philip Hammond, wrote that Britain | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
woud "seek a new customs
arrangement" with the EU. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:46 | |
It's unclear how similar such
an arrangement would | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
be to the status quo. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
Meanwhile, Labour's Shadow Brexit
Secretary, Keir Starmer, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
says that the UK entering
into "a customs union" with the EU | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
should be an option on the table
in the negotiations. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:06 | |
And yesterday, the lobby
group the Confederation | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
of British Industry said that
staying in a customs union | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
with the EU is "part of a practical,
real-world answer" to the problems | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
thrown up by Brexit. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:15 | |
But the Foreign Secretary,
Boris Johnson, wasn't | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
impressed by that suggestion. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:18 | |
He tweeted... | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
I'm joined now by the Conservative
MP Jacob Rees-Mogg, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
who was recently elected as chairman
of the influential European | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
Research Group, made up
of Brexit-backing Conservative MPs. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:42 | |
Welcome to The Daily Politics. Just
before I come to you, Jacob | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
Rees-Mogg, George Freeman, should
the government now listen to the | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
CBI's calls to stay inside a customs
union after we leave the EU? I think | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
the key is that we have a business
friendly Brexit. Most of my | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
constituents when they voted for
Brexit wanted as out of the | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
political union at actively trading
as a part of what they were sold in | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
the 1970s. So, remaining in the
customs union? The problem with the | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
customs union is that it prevents us
ultimately from signing trade deals. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
In the short-term industry in this
country would like to remain in as | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
predictable than the arrangement in
terms of trading in Europe as they | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
can. If Liam Fox came back and said,
I've got a huge trade deal ready to | 0:12:23 | 0:12:28 | |
sign with Africa with America, then
I think the balance of proper | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
dinners teak wood swing and people
would say, let's go for it. But in | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
the absence of that, do you think at
the moment all things being equal | 0:12:35 | 0:12:40 | |
that Britain should heed those calls
and remain in a customs union with | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
the EU? Some of those calls I think
are designed to stop us implementing | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
Brexit at all, and I don't agree
with that. But should Britain remain | 0:12:47 | 0:12:52 | |
in a customs union? I would like us
to negotiate a heap trade agreement | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
with the European Union in which we
have that free customs union, so | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
that the Northern Ireland border
works, so that we can sell our | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
goods. I think the only point of
difference with Jacob is that he is | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
a sovereignty hawk would prefer us
to be out at the end of March next | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
year even if we don't have a customs
agreement. I would like us to have a | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
customs agreement, and if we didn't,
paying the price of another year or | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
two while we negotiate those trade
deals for me would be a small price | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
to pay. But we agree ultimately that
we want to be able to do those local | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
trade deals, and that means coming
out of the current customs union. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
But at the moment if the price is to
stay in the customs union until in | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
the future trade deals are struck,
or could be struck, you would be | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
happy for that and you support that?
The keyword is THE customs union. A | 0:13:38 | 0:13:45 | |
customs union, yes. But I think we
negotiate a customs agreement which | 0:13:45 | 0:13:52 | |
means we can sell across the
European market. That is what my | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
constituents voted for. That is
pretty well what is currently the | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
arrangement of staying in the
customs union, that actually all of | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
the regulations would remain the
same and the status quo would | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
continue - do you agree with George
Freeman on that? CBI and received | 0:14:05 | 0:14:11 | |
many millions of pounds in the
European Union between nine and 15, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:17 | |
not the independent body, it is
backing inefficiency, a lack of | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
competitiveness and wants to remain
in the European Union. Campaign for | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
the euro, the change rate mechanism
and against Brexit, it is not | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
representing small business all the
consumer, it is the consumer wants | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
to help and I want to get out of the
customs union as soon as possible. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
Specific example: 11.8% tariff on
clothing coming into this country | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
from outside the EU, but where is
11.4%. That hits and humid in the UK | 0:14:40 | 0:14:47 | |
to very little benefit of UK
manufacturers because we do not make | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
many textiles or shoes anymore.
Counterexample, aerospace industry, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:56 | |
we are a major player. There is no
tariffs on that. There are other | 0:14:56 | 0:15:02 | |
industries, life sciences, 60
billion, I don't want to in have two | 0:15:02 | 0:15:07 | |
arrange individual deals. I agree
with Jacob here, we need to access | 0:15:07 | 0:15:14 | |
the market. Michel Barnier, and
president Emmanuel Macron have both | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
said we can have a free-trade deal
with the European based on Canada, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:23 | |
that is... Would you agree with
that, would you accept that, Canada, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
the Canada deal, on goods? | 0:15:28 | 0:15:34 | |
the Canada deal, on goods? Enhanced
Canada... That is on the table, does | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
not need for us to stay in the
customs union, and this is where I | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
do disagree, we will not be able to
get the other trade deals because | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
the other countries will not think
it is worthwhile doing deals with an | 0:15:43 | 0:15:49 | |
EU satellite. I understand that, our
only difference, is avoiding the | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
cliff edge, I want the businesses
that I know are raising the money | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
that will pay for the NHS to have
confidence that there is no cliff | 0:15:56 | 0:16:01 | |
edge in 15 months' time. I'm not
surprised they want to know. For me, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
continual membership of a customs
union while we get the trade | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
agreements in base is a price worth
paying. I want because people to | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
have cheaper food, clothing and
footwear the day that we leave the | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
EU, it will affect the standard of
living for the poorest in our | 0:16:16 | 0:16:21 | |
society the most erratically, the
customs union is about protecting | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
inefficient European businesses, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:29 | |
inefficient European businesses, not
for anything else. There is a | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
discussion about Britain remaining
in a customs union, something | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
similar to what we have now, because
the evidence has not been produced | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
by Whitehall that new bilateral
trade deals will outweigh the lost | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
trade from the EU. I think the trade
seal issue is a bit of a red | 0:16:43 | 0:16:49 | |
herring, the biggest individual
national trading partner is the | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
United States with whom we have no
trade deal. Our biggest earner, net | 0:16:51 | 0:16:56 | |
earner, is financial services. By
and large, they do not have trade | 0:16:56 | 0:17:01 | |
deals, are not subject to the trade
deals you get with manufactured | 0:17:01 | 0:17:06 | |
goods. What we want is to open up
the market to lower prices and make | 0:17:06 | 0:17:12 | |
the UK more competitive and
efficient and use that as a lever. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
Would you see it as a betrayal if
Britain remains in the customs union | 0:17:15 | 0:17:21 | |
or in a customs union? If we stay in
the customs union, we have not left | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
the European Union, it would be a
failure on behalf of the government | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
if that happened. And on, he just
said, actually, the main reason to | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
come out of the customs union is to
be able to do trade deals. That is a | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
red herring. You cannot do them
unless you are out. They are much | 0:17:37 | 0:17:42 | |
overstated, they are a useful thing
to have, but the biggest single | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
training can ease the United States,
with whom we have no formal trade | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
deal. Arrangements but not a deal.
How is it you know better than the | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
CBI, about what is best for the
British economy? The CBI has a | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
history of getting things wrong. And
you don't...? Take it as a | 0:17:57 | 0:18:04 | |
commentator, it got the art am
wrong, the euro wrong, it backed | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
remain and it is funded by the
European Union. -- it got the RM | 0:18:07 | 0:18:13 | |
wrong. Though it is representing is
not the consumer, I am arguing for | 0:18:13 | 0:18:19 | |
my constituents, I want them to have
lower prices and better quality, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
that can be brought in from outside
the European Union. The CBI is a | 0:18:22 | 0:18:28 | |
spokesman for vested interest. Do
you agree? Do you think it is a | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
spokesman for vested interest and
the government should not listen to | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
them? Jacob is right in that it is
the corporate end of the ladder, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
representing bigger companies, but
he's wrong... Not just me, a lot of | 0:18:39 | 0:18:45 | |
people agree with me. Does he know
better? He's wrong to dismiss this | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
soap casually, I am reconciled to
"Brexit", it has to be pro-business, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
I want us to be not just
pro-business as a government but | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
more businesslike, on the board of
Great Britain plc I would say, I | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
understand the customs union
prevents us from doing a trade deal, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
have we got anything lined up? If
not, I would say, right now, that is | 0:19:04 | 0:19:09 | |
a step too far. If we can get the
trade deals then I see the argument. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
You are not convinced that you will
be able to get the trade deals or | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
that it might replace... He just
said trade deals are a distraction. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
We will come onto that, because I
thought... I thought that was the | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
whole point of Liam Fox's job. You
spoke with people at the time, you | 0:19:24 | 0:19:29 | |
were chairman of the policy ball
before Christmas, in cabinet, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
ministers, Tory MPs, is this being
actively considered, Britain | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
remaining in the customs union
arrangement with the EU? I don't | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
think at that level of detail, most
colleagues, and most constituents, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:45 | |
reconciled to Brexit, want us to
make a success of it, wanted to be | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
pro-business, on the doorsteps they
said, we voted to join a Common | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
Market, not a political union, we
have come out of the political | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
union, and stayed in a trading brock
-- trading block. Is there the | 0:19:57 | 0:20:02 | |
possibility the government will
consider it? We make the go shaded, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
we may get a full trade deal with
Europe, full movement of goods and | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
ability. This is not about the
customs union, they may be listening | 0:20:09 | 0:20:14 | |
to some pro-remain Tory
backbenchers, like Ed Vaizey, at the | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
weekend he said, free-trade deals
will make as the out of Brexit | 0:20:17 | 0:20:23 | |
unscathed, that is the birds, he
said, they take years and years, | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
they and the domestic audiences.
They don't always take years and | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
years, the US and Australia did one
in ten or 11 months, it has been | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
very powerful. Trade deals, a
distraction, this is important goal | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
on the real benefit we get is from
lifting tariffs on goods that come | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
into the country, nontariff
barriers. That makes the UK more | 0:20:41 | 0:20:46 | |
competitive, makes good for
consumers cheaper. Unilateral free | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
trade has worked in every country
that has tried it historically. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
Trade deals are an ad benefit, if
you open up your market, and go to | 0:20:53 | 0:20:58 | |
people and say, we have opened up
the market, do you want to open up | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
yours, that helps trade even
further. The benefits you get by | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
reducing your input costs and the
costs of consumption for voters | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
across the country is very
economically powerful. Why, then, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
has Liam Fox being put in this
position to seek out and scope | 0:21:14 | 0:21:20 | |
free-trade deals which has been sold
to the British public as a core part | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
of the "Brexit" operation, part of
being ace swashbuckling free-trade | 0:21:24 | 0:21:30 | |
negotiation, it is striking out on
our own. Singapore is completely | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
open but does trade deals on top
because it wants to be as | 0:21:34 | 0:21:39 | |
encouraging to people to be as open
as it is. It is in the interests of | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
the world to have as much free-trade
as possible and if we can be a | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
catalyst, that is very exciting, if
deals can lead to that, that will be | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
of benefit. The key benefit is
lifting tariffs and making goods in | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
this country cheaper, both
manufactured inputs for industry but | 0:21:54 | 0:22:00 | |
also, making goods cheaper for
consumers. The big challenges | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
transition, we are geared towards a
European market, we cannot do that | 0:22:03 | 0:22:08 | |
overnight, at the end of March next
year, we need some transition. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:14 | |
And for more reporting
and analysis of Brexit, | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
check out the BBC News website,
that's bbc.co.uk/brexit. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:24 | |
Has the Prime Minister been too
cautious in setting out her big | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
vision for government? | 0:22:32 | 0:22:33 | |
Earlier we heard that
Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
demanded more money for the NHS,
and he's not only | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
one voicing concern. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
Let's have a look at some
of the calls to action coming | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
from the backbenches. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:42 | |
Last Friday, former business
minister Nick Boles tweeted | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
that there was a "timidity and lack
of ambition about Mrs May's | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
Government, which means it
constantly disappoints". | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
Ed Vaizey, the former culture
minister, joined in the criticism, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
calling for "big, bold and radical
ideas" to attract votes, | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
warning against what he called
a "safety first approach" | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
when he appeared
on Peston On Sunday. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
Speaking on The Westminster Hour
on Sunday night, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
former Tory Party chairman
Grant Shapps said: | 0:23:03 | 0:23:10 | |
Veteran Tory MP Nicholas Soames
tweeted yesterday morning: | 0:23:11 | 0:23:19 | |
He added the hashtag, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
#wheres the bold and brave
so far its dull dull dull | 0:23:26 | 0:23:34 | |
What do you say that it is dull the
mechanics are a little bit dull, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:44 | |
and... He is talking about all the
other things. He is talking about | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
the overall government message, the
challenge we face, that the PM | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
faces, for the next 15 months, the
government will be largely | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
preoccupied with negotiating this
very important deal. How then do we | 0:23:54 | 0:23:59 | |
set out the bold ideas to make
Brexit a moment of national renewal | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
that it needs to be to succeed, not
least to capture the imagination of | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
the young who did not vote for it?
That is why I have called for a | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
commission outside the government,
like Clement Attlee and Winston | 0:24:10 | 0:24:16 | |
Churchill appointed beverage at the
end of the war, to look at bold | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
ideas. You were chairman of the
policy board until November, what | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
are the ideas? A lot of us have big
ideas, I will give you a view. What | 0:24:22 | 0:24:28 | |
are you taking on, the flagship
policy, apart from Brexit? The first | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
is NHS and care, big commitment to
that commitment that has been done | 0:24:32 | 0:24:38 | |
for decades. How? Jeremy Hunt is...
You have already conceded that will | 0:24:38 | 0:24:44 | |
not include money, it sticks with
the CLT and he has it as a title, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
how has he going to get to grips
with it? -- DCLG. I have not said | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
that at all, it is the beginning of
a bold process of commitment to real | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
integration. What is it in practical
terms, what is the government | 0:24:56 | 0:25:01 | |
pledging to do. Well, firstly tackle
the problem that has bedevilled it | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
for decades, social care has been
funded through local government and | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
underfunded, and health has been
solely the preserve of NHS England | 0:25:09 | 0:25:14 | |
and the Department of Health. Labour
says it will spend money now, the | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
Conservative government says it will
do it by 2021. We put in 6 billion | 0:25:17 | 0:25:22 | |
in the autumn, we put in more money
every year, we put in 6 billion in | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
the Autumn Statement, but the
challenge is what is the NHS looked | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
like, designed in 1947, not fit for
purpose in the 21st-century. I have | 0:25:29 | 0:25:34 | |
worked in the NHS and I have been
the health Minister, it is how we | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
support it with digital technology
to give them power over their own | 0:25:37 | 0:25:42 | |
health, go from being a provider
organisation to an empowering | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
organisation. Isi Gabsa the
leadership of the party to do this? | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
Both, -- is it down to the
leadership or the party? I think the | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
party needs a role in shaping abroad
big agenda beyond the mechanics so | 0:25:54 | 0:26:00 | |
that people can be inspired, quite
difficult to do that in a government | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
where every department is looking
through its new relationship with | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
Europe. Has she indicated she will
do that, give it to the party to | 0:26:07 | 0:26:13 | |
shape the ideas? We will have do
wait and see, I have not heard that, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
that is part of what Nicholas Soames
and Ed Vaizey are signalling. Is | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
that because she lacks the
leadership and vision to do it | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
herself? I think it is more because,
she takes her duties as Prime | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
Minister of a country negotiating
"Brexit" very seriously, and I think | 0:26:27 | 0:26:32 | |
she and the team do not see the need
to have a more inspiring vision. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:38 | |
They believe that competence,
administration, delivering Brexit, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
will be enough, that is where we
disagree, a whole lot of voters out | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
there take that for granted, they
want to see why the Conservatives | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
should carry on and govern, do we
have the vision. How frustrating is | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
it to work in that environment, when
Ewart share of the policy board? It | 0:26:53 | 0:26:58 | |
is politics under Theresa May. It
has been true of all leaders, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
Parliament is full of ideas, and
backbenchers driven with ideas to | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
make the world a better place and
the Prime Minister must pick a team. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:12 | |
The frustration is, under David
Cameron's leadership, under the last | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
ten and 15 years, and Theresa May,
as party chairman, the party has | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
modernised and come to term with
modern Britain, it has led in | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
showing it has a vision. The danger
of Brexit if we don't tackle it is | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
that it may look to a generation
under 40 like backward step, we have | 0:27:26 | 0:27:31 | |
to make sure we have a vision for
making Brexit a moment of looking | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
forward, with Europe. Is it time to
abandon austerity altogether? I have | 0:27:35 | 0:27:41 | |
called for a new approach, first
seven years of belt tightening, from | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
the top, in London, I think, morale
and confidence in public services is | 0:27:44 | 0:27:49 | |
now quite low. I think we have do
single that we have a bold vision | 0:27:49 | 0:27:54 | |
for public services, support public
services, that is why I have called | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
for and the Chancellor is enacting a
leadership Academy and a new set of | 0:27:58 | 0:28:03 | |
funding, those heroes who have
turned around schools and hospitals. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
You have admitted morale is low in
the public services and the | 0:28:05 | 0:28:10 | |
Conservatives have been in
government since 2010, should they | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
accept responsibility? Morale is a
difficulty post crash. It was a big | 0:28:13 | 0:28:21 | |
crash and people were saying this
will take ten or 20 years to pay off | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
these debts. No surprise that seven
years in, people are weary, and I | 0:28:24 | 0:28:29 | |
think the challenge for us, on big
ideas is, do we have a vision of | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
public services in the 21st-century,
more locally rooted, more locally | 0:28:33 | 0:28:38 | |
led, ending command and control from
Whitehall and giving incentives back | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
to places to tackle health in their
localities? To run a more integrated | 0:28:41 | 0:28:48 | |
model of public services, that is a
big idea. Among 18 to 29-year-old, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
the vote shares slumped, with one
pollster finding only 8% of them | 0:28:53 | 0:28:58 | |
voted Conservative, 69% voted
Labour, you yourself have said that | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
the crisis is intergenerational,
have you lost the youth vote for | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
ever? Not for ever, but it is
serious, there is a massive question | 0:29:06 | 0:29:14 | |
over this administration and this
government and this Conservative | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
Party, that is why have spoken with
the urgency I have, there is a whole | 0:29:16 | 0:29:22 | |
generation, under 40, actually,
under 45, who have picked up a lot | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
of personal debt through the crash
and the crisis, come into a new | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
chair workplace of huge job
insecurity, cannot afford to buy | 0:29:29 | 0:29:34 | |
houses, and they worry that Brexit
may be the final insult, turning our | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
back on the world they are excited
by, unless we set out a vision for | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
how we make Brexit the opposite, a
moment of inspiring renewal, where | 0:29:41 | 0:29:46 | |
we embrace global opportunity and
gives them a chance to go from | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
wherever they are in Britain into
the world, then I fear we may well | 0:29:48 | 0:29:53 | |
lose their generation. Give me free
policies that will get young people | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
voting for the Tories. My ideas,
and... Have the government take an | 0:29:55 | 0:30:02 | |
on-board? Not yet, but number one,
every school or college leave and | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
not going into a job or higher
education, work experience on the | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
front line of international do, so
they get out around the world and | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
see emerging markets. Number two, a
lifelong learning digital skills | 0:30:13 | 0:30:19 | |
passport, so that everyone in this
country recognises that we have two | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
keep reskilling all the time. And
number three, give all mayors the | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
ability to raise it local
infrastructure bonds. Asset backed | 0:30:26 | 0:30:31 | |
by local economies, three big ideas
that would drive out working for | 0:30:31 | 0:30:36 | |
every. Let's see if they get
accepted and taken on by the | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
government. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
If you like a fizzy drink, you'll
soon be paying more to enjoy it, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
because the sugar tax comes
into force in April this year. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
The government will be taxing
producers and importers of sweet | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
drinks to help cut obesity,
especially in children. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
But how should we spend
the money that's raised? | 0:30:53 | 0:30:55 | |
And will it really do anything
to change our habits? | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
Here's Emma Vardy. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
In the 2016 budget, the former
Chancellor George Osborne introduced | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
plans for attacks on sugary soft
drinks to get those of us with a | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
sweet tooth to cut back on these and
make healthier choices. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:17 | |
make healthier choices. The tax
applies to drinks containing more | 0:31:18 | 0:31:19 | |
than five grams of sugar per 100
millilitres. It means you will see | 0:31:19 | 0:31:24 | |
the price of some drinks on the
shelf go up by around 20p. It has | 0:31:24 | 0:31:29 | |
been welcome by health
professionals, but for those in the | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
industry it has left a rather so, a
taste. We have always felt that the | 0:31:32 | 0:31:37 | |
softs drinks industry levy was an
inappropriate way to address an | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
issue which stems frankly from
overall diet and levels of exercise, | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
so picking on one particular product
and one particular tax of this sort | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
is the wrong way to address the
challenge that we all face, and | 0:31:49 | 0:31:54 | |
admittedly there is a serious
challenge in relation to childhood | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
obesity. So, what are we going to do
with all these extra taxes raised | 0:31:56 | 0:32:02 | |
from sweet drink lovers hammered the
MP Frank Field has a private | 0:32:02 | 0:32:08 | |
members' bill with cross-party
support calling for the money raised | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
to go to school holiday breakfast
clubs. When George Osborne finally | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
gave in to having a sugar tax, he
had resisted on the basis that it | 0:32:15 | 0:32:20 | |
was regressive, in other words
poorer people would pay more. Now, | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
if you use some of this revenue to
feed poorer children and have fun in | 0:32:24 | 0:32:31 | |
the holiday and maintain their
educational improvements recorded | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
during term time, it seems to us a
really good way by which the | 0:32:34 | 0:32:39 | |
government could make sure that the
sugar tax was not regressive but | 0:32:39 | 0:32:44 | |
progressive. Drink manufacturers are
adapting to the new tax in different | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
ways. Coca-Cola said it will cut the
size of its bottles while also | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
putting up the price. Other
manufacturers like Ribena have been | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
taking on the tricky challenge of
reducing sugar in their products | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
while trying to maintain a flavour
that will satisfy customers. Our | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
consumers have told us they want
this sugary product... That is | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
probably harder than it sounds.
Considerably! The Treasury had | 0:33:08 | 0:33:13 | |
originally estimated the tax would
raise more than £500 million a year. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
But now it is thought it bring in
much less. The forecast revenue has | 0:33:17 | 0:33:23 | |
diminished substantially. Originally
this was going to raise more than | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
£500 million. They are now saying
that it is going to raise £275 | 0:33:25 | 0:33:31 | |
million. And we still think that is
an overestimate. But I simply say | 0:33:31 | 0:33:37 | |
again, this is not the best way to
tackle obesity. It is expected that | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
the true impact on the businesses
that make these ducts will not | 0:33:41 | 0:33:45 | |
become clear for some time. Experts
believe it will take even longer to | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
really see whether it delivers the
health benefits the government is | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
hoping for. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
We're joined now by Kawther Hashem -
a nutritionist and spokeswoman | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
for the campaign group
Action on Sugar. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:02 | |
Look into the programme. Tax is
aimed specifically at high sugar | 0:34:02 | 0:34:08 | |
fizzy drinks, excluding things like
milkshakes and other fruit juices, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
so doesn't go far enough in your
mind? I think it does in terms of | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
trying to get the manufacturers to
reduce levels of sugar. It is kind | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
of different to what other countries
have done. It is basically trying to | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
encourage the companies to
reformulate their products. Many of | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
your colleagues, George, will say
that this tax is bad for consumers | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
and bad for the economy - are they
wrong? I think they are. I called | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
for the sugar tax, another big idea!
Was it taken non-public when did you | 0:34:34 | 0:34:39 | |
first suggest it? 2014. But I think
the truth is, two things. We don't | 0:34:39 | 0:34:46 | |
want to punish people for having
drinks. We have got to incentivise | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
the industry so that these things
taste the same but they don't make | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
UOB said that is perfectly doable. I
would | 0:34:54 | 0:35:01 | |
would like | 0:35:22 | 0:35:22 | |
exercise, it is about schools... Not
to me it isn't. It is about an | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
enlightened state taking its
responsibility is to its citizens | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
are seriously, and particularly the
most vulnerable. Childhood obesity | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
is a really big problem, it is a
time bomb in our society along with | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
diabetes and dementia. The two are
linked, and diet is really | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
important. It will bankrupt the NHS
if we don't tackle it on behalf of | 0:35:41 | 0:35:46 | |
our most vulnerable young citizens.
But it is a huge problem, we know | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
that, we have politicians like
George Freeman telling us. So why | 0:35:50 | 0:35:55 | |
does a tax on just fizzy drinks go
far enough, it is not go to solve | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
the problem of childhood obesity? It
is part of a solution. There are | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
many other things that government
should look at doing, for example, | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
the promotions on this type of
products, which is constantly | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
happening all the time. We can
incentivise the industry to reduce | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
the levels of sugar but then there
are other products which are heavily | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
promoted, on discount all the time,
advertising during family TV time, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:23 | |
we need to look at these other
areas. Would you be happy for that? | 0:36:23 | 0:36:28 | |
Yeah, and I think we need to look at
much more sport in schools. I don't | 0:36:28 | 0:36:32 | |
mean the tyranny of the few of us
who were not very athletic civil | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
everybody doing exercise built into
the school day. I would like our | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
planning system to build exercise
into the community. We are still | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
building housing estates designed
for three cars. Building exercise | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
into the fabric of our society. What
about the evidence that the tax will | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
actually work in terms of changing
habits and reducing obesity? For the | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
countries who have already had an
increase in tax and in price, it has | 0:36:55 | 0:37:00 | |
had an impact in reducing levels of
drink Spearing consumed. Where? | 0:37:00 | 0:37:05 | |
Mexico, for example, and
particularly in the socially | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
deprived areas, because they ended
up having less of those. And they | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
kind of incentivised those consumers
to go for the lowest sugar options, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
water and the others. But was the
evidence conclusive in Mexico? I | 0:37:16 | 0:37:21 | |
understand that after a year or so
the levels at it to go up again in | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
terms of consumption of fizzy
drinks? No, I think the first stage | 0:37:25 | 0:37:29 | |
of evidence suggests there is a 12%
reduction in intake. Coca-Cola have | 0:37:29 | 0:37:34 | |
decreased their sizes of bottles and
increased their pricing? So, this is | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
one of the reasons, one of the ways
that those companies are going to | 0:37:38 | 0:37:43 | |
try and retrieve the cost of the
levy, by increasing prices. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
Initially, when this lovely was
going to come into play, it was | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
actually not necessarily going to be
price hikes. And it is not | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
necessarily a negative thing that
sugary drink Speaker more expensive, | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
because they are having a huge cost
on society. The Treasury downgraded | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
their forecast of the money that
would be raised from more than £500 | 0:38:01 | 0:38:06 | |
million to £380 million, you think
that is good news, but it is less | 0:38:06 | 0:38:12 | |
money to be spent on for instance
promoting sport? It tells you the | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
industry is adapting very fast. One
worry is the government taxing | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
things and getting keen on the
revenue. I did not want the | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
government dependent on a sugar tax.
Even if it is going to promote more | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
sport in schools, which is what you
said should be part of the holistic | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
approach? It is part of the next.
But I think the fact that revenues | 0:38:31 | 0:38:35 | |
from the sugar tax are dropping is a
sign that the industry is very | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
quickly adapting. The British drink
industry is highly adaptable, it is | 0:38:38 | 0:38:43 | |
one of the jewels in our crown. Lets
use the text to incentivise sugar | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
substitution but also recognise that
it is only one to. Where would you | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
like the government to use the
revenues raised? It could be used on | 0:38:50 | 0:38:55 | |
the NHS, on school sports. The aim
of it is not necessarily revenue | 0:38:55 | 0:39:01 | |
raising, it is to incentivise the
industry to reduce levels of sugar. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
The emphasis has been on drinks, on
fizzy drinks, but confectionery | 0:39:03 | 0:39:08 | |
accounts for quite a substantial
amount of young people consuming | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
sugar. If you wanted to solve the
obesity crisis, would you, George, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:17 | |
be in support of extending the tax
to sweets and chocolates? I would | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
want to look at the evidence. I
think potentially. But it is | 0:39:21 | 0:39:26 | |
absolutely crucial that we're not
denying people a bar of chocolate. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
People like chocolate. It is part of
human nature. But you want to | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
deprive them of fizzy drinks? No, I
want them to buy something which is | 0:39:34 | 0:39:39 | |
not putting pounds on them.
Something which is a pleasure. We | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
mustn't become puritans taking
pleasure out of life. But if we took | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
the calories out so that you get the
pleasure without the fat and the | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
obesity, that's surely a good thing.
Well, when you find a solution to | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
that, do let me know, because I am
partial to a bar of chocolate! | 0:39:53 | 0:40:02 | |
The Ukip leader Henry Bolton has
said he will not stand down, | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
despite facing a wave of party
resignations in protest | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
at his leadership. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
On Sunday, Ukip's National Executive
Committee declared that it had lost | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
confidence in Mr Bolton
after allegations | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
about his private life. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:14 | |
But Mr Bolton has hit back
saying he in turn has lost | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
confidence in the NEC. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
Here he is speaking
to reporters yesterday. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:23 | |
I shall respect the next steps in
the constitutional process, and will | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
therefore not be resigning as party
leader. I shall repeat, I will not | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
be resigning as party leader.
Instep, during the next four weeks, | 0:40:31 | 0:40:37 | |
I shall be calling for the
coordination and mobilisation of all | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
Leave campaigns to ensure that the
government delivers full | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
independence from the European Union
in all areas of government at the | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
administration. And I shall be
calling for the party itself to | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
mobilise in order to support that
effort. This is the most pressing | 0:40:51 | 0:40:58 | |
matter facing our nation. And I am
determined not to allow the NEC to | 0:40:58 | 0:41:03 | |
distract the party away from
participating forcefully in the | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
independence debate. Henry Boldon
giving that press statement | 0:41:05 | 0:41:11 | |
yesterday. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
David Allen is Ukip's
spokesman on electoral reform | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
and is a supporter of Henry Bolton. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
Peter Whittle is the former
deputy leader of Ukip, | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
and has called for Mr Bolton
to stand down. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:24 | |
What was your reaction when you
heard he was going to fight on? | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
Depressed, actually. Because the
fact is that basically one man's | 0:41:26 | 0:41:31 | |
vanity is basically spooling this
thing out over and over, the party | 0:41:31 | 0:41:38 | |
is being made to look ridiculous. If
in fact he had been supported by the | 0:41:38 | 0:41:44 | |
NEC, we would not be hearing about
all of this stuff about electoral | 0:41:44 | 0:41:48 | |
reform in the party and the NEC. It
is a massive distraction to get away | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
from what is the real problem, and
that is that Henry Bolton should go. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:57 | |
I've just come from actually talking
somebody back from leaving the | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
party. This is what one is dealing
with everyday now. David Allen, | 0:41:59 | 0:42:06 | |
you're a supporter of Henry Bolton,
the party is imploding, more than 15 | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
people have stood down, surely he
has to go? Certainly there is a bit | 0:42:10 | 0:42:15 | |
of a herd mentality about it. I tend
to think they're following the wrong | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
scent of. The reason why I am
supporting Henry Bolton is exactly | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
the same reason that I supported him
in the leadership campaign. I stood | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
in the leadership campaign, as
repeater, and I stood down to | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
support Henry Bolton because
firstly, his agenda for reforming | 0:42:29 | 0:42:34 | |
the party was something that I
strongly believe in. And secondly I | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
thought he would win. Now, you have
to recognise that for a long time | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
there has been a huge disconnect
between the leadership of the party | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
and the mothership at the
grassroots. Peter Whittle, even | 0:42:45 | 0:42:51 | |
Nigel Farage says that the party is
run by a bunch of amateurs, and that | 0:42:51 | 0:42:55 | |
it is hardly surprising that there
has been this massive fallout? | 0:42:55 | 0:42:59 | |
Because Nigel has got a thing about
the NEC, fair enough. He is entitled | 0:42:59 | 0:43:04 | |
to that. The point is, Henry has
been in since September. He stood on | 0:43:04 | 0:43:09 | |
reform and all the rest of it -
nothing has happened. There has been | 0:43:09 | 0:43:13 | |
no communication, there has been no
reform, virtually no media presence, | 0:43:13 | 0:43:17 | |
until we get this kind of media
presence, which of course makes us a | 0:43:17 | 0:43:21 | |
laughing stock. It is simply
unsustainable. Before this all blew | 0:43:21 | 0:43:26 | |
up, what great political direction
was Henry Bolton taking the party in | 0:43:26 | 0:43:30 | |
the 11 of the things that Henry
Bolton wants to do is to introduce | 0:43:30 | 0:43:36 | |
an inclusivity agenda so that we
would involve membership in policy | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
making. Because there's been a huge
gap between the leadership and the | 0:43:39 | 0:43:43 | |
membership in the party. Peter says
that's not happening - it is, | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
because I have already put my group
together and we had our first | 0:43:46 | 0:43:50 | |
meeting last Friday. Have already
drafted a manifesto commitment for | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
Ukip in the area of electoral
reform. Are the things which are | 0:43:53 | 0:43:57 | |
changing our work to repair the IT
system. We have an e-mail system, | 0:43:57 | 0:44:01 | |
for example, which arbitrarily
leaves out a third of the members | 0:44:01 | 0:44:03 | |
every time we send an e-mail. Are
these things going to save Ukip? The | 0:44:03 | 0:44:08 | |
fact is at the moment, we are going
through an amazingly important time | 0:44:08 | 0:44:12 | |
with Brexit. It is an open goal for
us. It's all very well going on | 0:44:12 | 0:44:17 | |
about e-mail systems and the rest of
it, which basically will mean | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
nothing to anyone outside. We should
be making the argument, we have been | 0:44:20 | 0:44:25 | |
absolutely absent for the past four
months, and as I say again, the | 0:44:25 | 0:44:29 | |
first time people actually hear of
our new leader is because he has | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
just left his wife and kids just
before Christmas to go off with some | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
woman who has basically texted
things which are almost beyond | 0:44:36 | 0:44:39 | |
racist. What do you think about
that? That is what has caused this | 0:44:39 | 0:44:45 | |
latest row - has Henry Boldon cut
off all relations with the person | 0:44:45 | 0:44:51 | |
responsible for these tweets? I am
not privy to that, you will have to | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
ask Henry. My understanding is that
she has resigned from the party, | 0:44:54 | 0:44:59 | |
which is right. Also that Henry was
unaware of these tweets, which were | 0:44:59 | 0:45:03 | |
made before they met. Be fair if it
were marital breakdown is always to | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
stressing. It is often acrimonious.
And if you enter a new relationship, | 0:45:06 | 0:45:14 | |
your first conversation is not going
to be, hello, darling, two years ago | 0:45:14 | 0:45:19 | |
I think I sent a tweet which might
be offensive. So, Henry didn't know | 0:45:19 | 0:45:23 | |
about that. Henry Bolton hasn't done
anything wrong. But what he has been | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
doing is travelling the country
speaking to members, introducing | 0:45:26 | 0:45:30 | |
reform produced as prettily needed.
Why is his private life of so much | 0:45:30 | 0:45:35 | |
concerned? It is not a question of
morality. I think that the racism, | 0:45:35 | 0:45:39 | |
yes, is important, actually. This
party, particularly, and I have been | 0:45:39 | 0:45:44 | |
on this show talking about it,
fights these kind of accusations all | 0:45:44 | 0:45:48 | |
the time, we're always trying to
show people that we are not racist | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
and then along comes something like
this. And since it has happened it | 0:45:51 | 0:45:55 | |
has been the sheer ineptitude with
which Henry Bolton has gone on the | 0:45:55 | 0:45:59 | |
media, seemingly wanting to dig a
bigger hole for himself every single | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
day. What worries me is that this
party is a great party which has | 0:46:02 | 0:46:07 | |
moved political mountains. I do not
like to see it being made to look | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
silly and at the moment it is being.
Do you think it is in the death | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
throes? But is it? At the moment
things are looking grave, I what | 0:46:14 | 0:46:19 | |
does not help at all, is that we
have to go through something through | 0:46:19 | 0:46:24 | |
an AGM. A huge amount of money, all
the rest of it, at the very time we | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
should be fighting what is happening
with this government and the inept | 0:46:27 | 0:46:33 | |
handling of Brexit. Extraordinary
general meeting happening, Willis | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
before the members to decide? Can
you win it? This is interesting, | 0:46:37 | 0:46:41 | |
because of a quirk in the
constitution, what the NEC has done | 0:46:41 | 0:46:45 | |
is the equivalent of pistols at
dawn! It is either Henry Bolton | 0:46:45 | 0:46:50 | |
those, or, the NEC goes. With that
be the end of the party? Executive | 0:46:50 | 0:46:59 | |
collapses? Know, the NEC is a
consistent obstacle to reform the | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
party for as long as I have been in
it, we talk about Nigel, but then | 0:47:02 | 0:47:08 | |
there is Diane James, then there is
Paul Nuttall, all these battles with | 0:47:08 | 0:47:12 | |
the NIC -- NEC, we are on the fourth
leader, third leadership contest, | 0:47:12 | 0:47:17 | |
and apparently Peter wants a fourth
leadership contest... I do not. We | 0:47:17 | 0:47:22 | |
might as well pencil in the fifth,
for next year. No, no. What if he | 0:47:22 | 0:47:26 | |
stands down, there will be another
leadership contest. The last thing | 0:47:26 | 0:47:31 | |
we need, yes, we need an interim
leader, I have said for a long time, | 0:47:31 | 0:47:35 | |
get us through the May elections,
should be talking about the May | 0:47:35 | 0:47:39 | |
elections, talking that Brexit,
instead of talking that tinkering | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
around with an e-mail system and the
rest of it. If Henry Bolton had a | 0:47:42 | 0:47:47 | |
shred of personal pride, he would
have gone after the NEC... Isn't | 0:47:47 | 0:47:51 | |
this the case, that this is a vanity
project, the face of everything | 0:47:51 | 0:47:56 | |
collapsing around him, in terms of
all his team designing, all this | 0:47:56 | 0:48:00 | |
publicity, bad publicity, getting
there, pretty well, 15 or so, that | 0:48:00 | 0:48:04 | |
he should do the decent thing and
go? One of the things that a | 0:48:04 | 0:48:10 | |
political party leader needs is
resilience. Now, in Ukip, you | 0:48:10 | 0:48:17 | |
probably need resilience doubled.
Henry Bolton certainly has that. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:21 | |
What is happening now, is we have
just under 4000 people are letting | 0:48:21 | 0:48:26 | |
him as leader, only 3.5 months ago,
that cannot be overturned. By 13 | 0:48:26 | 0:48:32 | |
people. It will go to a next
ordinary general meeting and what is | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
that Henry Bolton will win this, the
NEC will resign, a new NEC will be | 0:48:35 | 0:48:41 | |
put in place, we can then move
forward to change the constitution | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
and the structure. Will you accept
the result, if Henry Bolton is | 0:48:44 | 0:48:51 | |
elected if the EGM supports the
leadership, will you accept it? Yes, | 0:48:51 | 0:48:55 | |
but it will not happen, I don't know
what world you are living in that | 0:48:55 | 0:48:59 | |
every single day is getting
resignations, whole branches are | 0:48:59 | 0:49:04 | |
going, over the past four months,
people do not even know what Henry | 0:49:04 | 0:49:08 | |
even thinks about certain political
issues, they have no idea where the | 0:49:08 | 0:49:12 | |
party is going. They are quite right
to be frustrated and they are faced | 0:49:12 | 0:49:16 | |
with all of this. I have a feeling
it will continue for a few days and | 0:49:16 | 0:49:21 | |
weeks at least. Thank you for coming
in. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:30 | |
Now, Labour's ruling body, | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
the National Executive committee
or NEC, | 0:49:34 | 0:49:35 | |
meets today. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:36 | |
Not normally a major
news event I grant you. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
But it's the first meeting
of the NEC since the election | 0:49:39 | 0:49:41 | |
of three new members,
most notably the Momentum | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
founder Jon Lansman. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:44 | |
So what does it all mean? | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
Our correspondent Iain Watson
is outside Labour HQ. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
What is being discussed? Various
things that are on the agenda, what | 0:49:48 | 0:49:50 | |
is not being discussed, this
demonstration behind me, people | 0:49:50 | 0:49:54 | |
against expulsion from the Labour
Party, we can talk about that in a | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
moment. What is on the agenda,
Labour officials are stressing, | 0:49:57 | 0:50:02 | |
mainstream political issues like the
state of the NHS, the collapse of | 0:50:02 | 0:50:06 | |
Carillion, other issues on the
agenda as well, report back from the | 0:50:06 | 0:50:10 | |
first phase of Labour's democracy
review. It is a long-term review | 0:50:10 | 0:50:14 | |
looking into how the party organises
at a level, reports from the Labour | 0:50:14 | 0:50:20 | |
Party conference. Some speculation
about it being used as a vehicle to | 0:50:20 | 0:50:24 | |
deselect sitting Labour MPs. That is
not officially part of the remit. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:29 | |
Any discussion that takes place
would be outside of the official | 0:50:29 | 0:50:33 | |
democracy review. That may well
change to magically. What the Labour | 0:50:33 | 0:50:37 | |
Party does in terms of organising at
grassroots level in due course. -- | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
that may well change dramatically.
Also, talk about whether there can | 0:50:41 | 0:50:47 | |
be transgender candidates on all
women short lists, this is being | 0:50:47 | 0:50:52 | |
discussed in subcommittees, it is
controversial because some people in | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
the party believe men should not be
allowed to self define as women and | 0:50:55 | 0:51:00 | |
get onto all women short lists, and
in their view should have two | 0:51:00 | 0:51:05 | |
produce gender recognition
certificate. Others say that is | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
dissemination and we expect a
statement from the Labour ruling | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
body later on this afternoon. The
first sign that the political | 0:51:10 | 0:51:15 | |
balance has shifted to the left,
cannot think of any more evidence | 0:51:15 | 0:51:20 | |
from the official agenda. Tell us
about this campaign, Labour against | 0:51:20 | 0:51:24 | |
the witchhunt which has been
launched. The campaign which has | 0:51:24 | 0:51:30 | |
been launched a few months ago, they
are lobbying the NEC to try to stop | 0:51:30 | 0:51:34 | |
the expulsions of people they say
are being thrown out of the party | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
for having effectively left-wing
views. People to the left of Labour | 0:51:37 | 0:51:41 | |
in the past, then wanted to come
into the Labour Party, generally | 0:51:41 | 0:51:47 | |
would say to support Jeremy Corbyn
and are now being chucked out | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
because of views they have expressed
in the past. Under mental do this is | 0:51:50 | 0:51:54 | |
the question of anti-Zionism against
anti-Semitism, the items they make | 0:51:54 | 0:51:58 | |
is that the issues have been
conflated and some people accused of | 0:51:58 | 0:52:03 | |
anti-Semitism in order to get them
expelled from the Labour Party. I | 0:52:03 | 0:52:08 | |
will be speaking with one of them
very soon, it is coming up at the | 0:52:08 | 0:52:12 | |
national constitution committee.
They will be deciding whether there | 0:52:12 | 0:52:20 | |
will be any expulsions. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:26 | |
will be any expulsions. Lobbying
today's NEC meeting to demand an end | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
to what they call a witchhunt
against the pro-Corbyn left in the | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
Labour Party, the group is called
Labour Against the Witchhunt. Jackie | 0:52:32 | 0:52:40 | |
Walker is among them - she was
suspended by the party in September | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
2016 following allegations of
anti-semitism. She joins me now. One | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
of the things that resulted in your
current suspension of your Labour | 0:52:45 | 0:52:47 | |
Party membership, he said, I still
haven't heard a definition of | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
anti-Semitism that I can work with.
The Labour Party has adopted the | 0:52:50 | 0:52:55 | |
International Holocaust Rembrandts
Alliance definition of | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
anti-Semitism, do you accept that as
a definition you can work with? It | 0:52:58 | 0:53:01 | |
is not clear what it has accepted.
-- remembrance Alliance. It has | 0:53:01 | 0:53:07 | |
accepted a headline definition, we
have been told. Anti-Semitism as a | 0:53:07 | 0:53:12 | |
certain perception of jurors people
that could be seen as hatred against | 0:53:12 | 0:53:16 | |
US people. Of course we would accept
that but not the following | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
definitions which as far as we are
concerned linked to much criticism | 0:53:19 | 0:53:24 | |
of Israel, with racism, with
anti-Semitism. -- Jewish. Rhetorical | 0:53:24 | 0:53:29 | |
and physical ... The accept what has
been said by this body? As far as | 0:53:29 | 0:53:41 | |
I'm concerned, and I'm saying this
as an anti-racist train of some | 0:53:41 | 0:53:47 | |
years, as somebody who has been on
the barricades against fascists, I | 0:53:47 | 0:53:51 | |
like to stick to the nice simple
definition of anti-Semitism, used | 0:53:51 | 0:53:57 | |
hatred against you | 0:53:57 | 0:54:05 | |
hatred against you is -- hatred
against Jewish people because they | 0:54:05 | 0:54:07 | |
are Jewish. We are going into cloudy
waters. We have had counsel opinion | 0:54:07 | 0:54:11 | |
which says that those following
definitions will not hold up in | 0:54:11 | 0:54:14 | |
court. Shouldn't parties be able to
set their own definitions and rules, | 0:54:14 | 0:54:20 | |
they may be a broad church, as the
Labour Party always says, but they | 0:54:20 | 0:54:24 | |
have the right to suspend people who
do not sign up to broad principles | 0:54:24 | 0:54:27 | |
and aims, including you. Absolutely.
That is what they have done, so what | 0:54:27 | 0:54:32 | |
is the problem? They have the right
to do that but of course, what I'm | 0:54:32 | 0:54:37 | |
saying is they have not accepted the
full definition... That is what the | 0:54:37 | 0:54:42 | |
Labour Party has said, they have
accepted that as the definition, if | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
you don't sign up to that, do you
accept... I do not access that what | 0:54:45 | 0:54:51 | |
you are saying is correct. As a
member of Jewish voice for Labour | 0:54:51 | 0:54:56 | |
and other jewel Jewish Labour
organisations. We have been told | 0:54:56 | 0:55:03 | |
something very different. That maybe
something you need to take up the | 0:55:03 | 0:55:07 | |
Labour Party. The reason having this
conversation, under the leadership | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
of Jeremy Corbyn, we have seen a
rise of a nasty, violent, outrageous | 0:55:10 | 0:55:16 | |
language on social media,
campaigning in the last election | 0:55:16 | 0:55:18 | |
against conservatives and others,
anti-Semitic language, racist | 0:55:18 | 0:55:24 | |
language, Clive Lewis Sein gets down
on your needs at the conference... | 0:55:24 | 0:55:27 | |
Don't use that word... -- Clive
Lewis saying. A once great party... | 0:55:27 | 0:55:37 | |
I think what you have said is
outrageous... Coming from a party | 0:55:37 | 0:55:42 | |
who has a Foreign Secretary who has
made racist statements about the | 0:55:42 | 0:55:48 | |
former President of the United
States, Barack Obama, and called | 0:55:48 | 0:55:50 | |
people of African descent picking
anys with water well and | 0:55:50 | 0:55:59 | |
smiles -- "pickannines with
watermelon smiles". That is not | 0:56:05 | 0:56:14 | |
racist. We are seeing the research
and is of nasty, vitriolic politics. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:20 | |
Women who were targeted because they
are women, horrible things written | 0:56:20 | 0:56:24 | |
on houses and windows. Do you know
what has been said about me? Answer | 0:56:24 | 0:56:29 | |
the claims that have been made, they
are not just me by George, they are | 0:56:29 | 0:56:35 | |
games made by elements within
momentum and within the hard left, | 0:56:35 | 0:56:39 | |
do you accept that it exists? What I
accept exists at the moment is a | 0:56:39 | 0:56:46 | |
very dangerous atmosphere and
culture on social media, if I could | 0:56:46 | 0:56:50 | |
tell you how many threats and abuse
I have had, including from people | 0:56:50 | 0:56:55 | |
who claim to be Tory members, and
these have been threats to have me | 0:56:55 | 0:57:00 | |
hanged, to have me burned alive, to
have me rape... If they are Tory | 0:57:00 | 0:57:06 | |
members, they should be dealt with,
but they are not. Will you send them | 0:57:06 | 0:57:10 | |
to him? I will, this is happening to
women and black women. Diane Abbott, | 0:57:10 | 0:57:17 | |
if you remember, has had more abuse
than anybody... And we know, and we | 0:57:17 | 0:57:22 | |
have talked about that but talking
about your suspension, you have | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 | |
called this a witchhunt, all of this
has happened while Jeremy Corbyn has | 0:57:26 | 0:57:29 | |
been leader. Exactly. The momentum
steering committee removed you as | 0:57:29 | 0:57:35 | |
vice-chair, calling your behaviour
irresponsible and remarks offensive, | 0:57:35 | 0:57:40 | |
cannot be a politically motivated
witchhunt, these are the people you | 0:57:40 | 0:57:43 | |
support. Can I say one thing about
this, I must be careful what I | 0:57:43 | 0:57:47 | |
say... Will you answer the question?
My case is just about to go through | 0:57:47 | 0:57:51 | |
a hearing, I am not allowed to
answer particularly on headbutt... | 0:57:51 | 0:57:58 | |
You are calling a witchhunt. It is
not coincidence that it happened as | 0:57:58 | 0:58:02 | |
Jeremy Corbyn became a leader of the
Labour Party, because, of course, he | 0:58:02 | 0:58:08 | |
is the only national figure that has
risen to that prominence it has been | 0:58:08 | 0:58:11 | |
a supporter of the Palestinians. Of
his | 0:58:11 | 0:58:21 | |
the Labour Party is not one set
dictated peace of organisation. -- | 0:58:23 | 0:58:27 | |
his brother. | 0:58:27 | 0:58:30 | |
We have run out of time. The answer
to the quiz, who was photographed at | 0:58:36 | 0:58:40 | |
Disneyland Paris while his wife was
having meetings in the French | 0:58:40 | 0:58:42 | |
capital. | 0:58:42 | 0:58:47 | |
"Yes," Cameron confirms
in a message to Politico. | 0:58:49 | 0:58:52 | |
He was wearing a flat cap, not easy
to recognise him. | 0:58:52 | 0:58:59 | |
"It rained a lot so I bought a hat! | 0:58:59 | 0:59:01 | |
I haven't joined the Peaky Blinders,
or become Bob Crow, | 0:59:01 | 0:59:04 | |
just trying to stay warm and dry." | 0:59:04 | 0:59:09 |